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Your Future is NOT Bright
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Do the things you like now because you might be a total POS later.
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Introduction and Setting the Tone
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Do you want a piece of shit in your life? Do you want a piece of shit in your life?
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Come to the right place.
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Cause I am a piece of shit and you know it. I am a piece of shit.
Personal Challenges and Podcasting as Catharsis
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How are you dog? How you doing buddy? A little shitty bro. I think the world's about to explode and then I've got a family member who's not doing well so.
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But you're still here, dude, ready to record. It's a commitment. what You think the listeners need you more than more than this or you do right now? Does this give you any sort of an hour apiece to do the podcast?
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I don't really think about the listeners, and I'm not even sure there's one this point. Besides you and i listening back to our episode saying, that was pretty good. I haven't checked in six months.
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So I don't do it for the listeners. while they're app But we're rare. I'll tell you this. We're rare to not promote, to do it for the love of podcasting, to do it for the love of connection and understanding.
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We are rare, bro.
Podcasting as Therapy and Routine
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Yeah, and we're and we're pretty bad at like keeping in touch and and wanting to communicate and all that stuff. so this is like the only this is like the only thing we can do to actually have a conversation with an old friend. Mm-hmm.
00:01:37
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And it's surprisingly entertaining. like you're not so You're not talking to anyone ever, right? I would say in my darkest days, I don't know if I've gone through a deteriorating family member since we've been doing this, but the other shit that I was going through, I would say that doing the show definitely helped.
00:01:54
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By the end of it, I was so tired and disappointed and exhausted ah because of our performance that it allowed me to not focus on... the other problems in my life so i hope i hope you get that today dude well seriously though on a serious note it was i think for a moment there you a little bit of your lifeblood to just lifeblood is a weird term i don't know why i use that but it was ah very important i think to your regenerating and becoming the man you are today selling wood in st louis
00:02:28
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I agree. i mean, there's something about ah like the clock the clocking of it, the scheduling of it, the fact that you have to do something every week, like whether it's relevant or not, the idea that like you have to do something is, is seems to be kind of important at any stage of your life.
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Right. And there's something, something about talking to somebody and having them reflect back yeah your thoughts to you and offer maybe a different perspective. So there's something important about that. So maybe therapy is ah useful.
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i don't know about therapy.
Routine and Control in Chaos
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Are you calling this therapy? ah I'm never going to admit that therapy is useful. I know. That's why. Just as you're trying to push me into socialism, I i can't admit that. But.
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i know I know when my mother-in-law was, like, starting to slip, and the the psychologist told my wife that, like, because we because she was kind of like, she's such a pain in the ass with her schedule.
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It's, like, it's so fucking ridiculous because it's, like, nothing important, but it'll be, like, at 9.45, I have to tie my shoes. And then, ah you know, it'll be, like, anything that gets in the way of that. But she was, like, well, we you got to think. This is, like, somebody who's been in control their whole life. And, uh...
00:03:38
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and the And that's like the only thing they can control left because they don't control their kids. They don't control anything. at Their finances even they can't control. So I think probably even for like that for for us or for me, the fact that we're doing the show was like at least there was some control or some like it has something. little more like oh at least I have something to do, some purpose. But i think there's a little bit of like got it.
00:03:59
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You know, I could tell people um I can't do this i can because I have this show I have. Right.
Challenges of Early Retirement
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It's a boundary. It's pretty funny. It's a healthy boundary. Yeah, no. I mean, did you do that today? you mentioned you might you might not be able to do it because of what's going on, and then you're like, that were did you have to tell anyone, sorry, I got to do the show?
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No, I didn't use the show. I just, I wonder, to yeah would you even be able to admit it? Would you just have, would you say, I got to do something else? Or would you literally have to say, i got to do the podcast and people be like, you're fucking kidding Well, that's the problem with this retirement. This early retirement thing is that it's very easy to invalidate anything that I think is important. So it's like, what you going to get your workout in your workout?
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You got to do your podcast. Do you get more shit though? Like, okay, Lance is available. Like, like it's like the guy who has a pickup truck and that all his friends help, like he has to move, help people move shit. Do you get like, oh, Lance is available. He can pick that up. I've done, yes, in this context. So for people don't know, like i have a family member that's basically going to, going to perish.
00:05:01
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Somebody I love and everything. um But I have. Yeah. Because, you know, I even talked about it with my spouse last night. And it's like, it's kind of a bummer
Value of Podcasting: Society vs. Personal Fulfillment
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you're retired in this moment.
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Because most people just use work as an excuse to get out of literally everything. Everything hard. Right. Yeah. ah Yeah, but she she thinks it's a bummer ah as ah as a mental health professional. Is she like, well, it's good that you have some time to process it where most people else can't? No, it's more of ah a lament. It's like ah frustrating that you'll have to show up constantly because you're retired. The expectation is there that you'll show up. Yeah, so so no, to answer your question, I wouldn't be like, can't make it.
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Recording my podcast titled I'm a Piece of Shit.
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ah do you think if Do you think that's a reflection of where we're at the podcast or just the type of man you are or just the situation? Like if we were fucking, I don't know, if this was really some big deal, do you think that would be a valid excuse? It goes back to... Then you probably would lean on it, I bet, a little bit. Probably. It goes back to though our original take. we We had this conversation really early and all throughout the close to three years we've been doing this, but...
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If it's not making money or if you haven't promoted it to to a point where you have a ton of followers, the vast majority of society doesn't think it's important. And that's just a fact. It is what the name says it is. to That's a fact. Even though this to you and I, this is as important as any task will probably do today.
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Nobody would understand that. To this day, my my wife doesn't really get it If it was making a bunch of money, which I think, dude, we could have a good show. I mean, we'd tighten some shit up, but we would promote. We could have a good show and and probably crack, not make a ton, but crack in and and do some of the more provocative stuff. but we we would We would be at blow off a death in the family. and Yeah. is where is where we yet Where you could just be like, whoops, sorry. Working. Not my bad. got to work.
Authenticity and Passion in Podcasting
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listeners are waiting yeah dude no i never wanted this to be that and in fact as a more i think about art and art forms there's something pure about not giving a fuck and i think you and i at least right and and maybe the handful of people that stick with this piece of shit and have have listened to it you and i will look back and and probably listen to some of this and be like yeah dude we didn't do it for anything else it's pretty authentic Like I don't give a fuck. You you think you can you could do that? You think you could just go blow for blow episode by episode and listen? I'll listen like the day out, but like I bet you if I went back to the October 24 shows, I'd be like, yuck.
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Maybe not. Maybe I've been. What about when you're 70? I mean, dude, i I talked about an inner black voice like three episodes ago. I mean, that's fucking ridiculous. Talk about authenticity.
00:07:57
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But I'm just saying like when you're 70, listening back to it could be fun. Like I had, truth be told, listened back to some of the commercials. Maybe last year I listened to them, which happened the previous year.
00:08:09
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But yeah. It's art, bro. Art. Dude. Yeah. I mean, part of it's just, I don't, even my best moments of whatever I'm doing artistically, I don't, I don't, I had, i always had a hard time listening to or watching, but, but yeah, I think it'll be fun to go back and listen to them. We're older.
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It's going to be funny to think about if our kids though, or like when they're like 50 or like if they get ahold of this and they're like, I mean, the hard thing with this is like I was listening to something like if you listen if I listen to us and then and then on Spotify, other other other shows will just start playing after our show. And then I'll listen to those and be like, shit, ours is pretty good. There's like some podcasts that just don't entertain me.
00:08:50
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there's They're like almost almost across the board now. It's just like not that entertaining. But ah but that's ah that's like a trap you don't really want to get into. Or maybe you do. I don't At least we're better in that shit. Or at least we're as good as that shit. But you could get you could fall into that pretty easily. And when I do that, I'm like, actually, what we're doing is not too bad considering what we're putting into it. right It ah it ah doesn't matter. was just wondering. I'm just wondering, bro.
00:09:14
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The editing and production is not as good as most. But that's okay. I would say, wouldn't it be, um let me get let me say this, let me say this bold statement as you drink water.
Legacy and Wisdom for Future Generations
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I would venture to say that your best wisdom that you could offer anybody in your life, you have shared throughout this podcast. your very best thinking and and not that it all comes out episode by episode. It's, it's, there's tidbits out there that if ah a kid were to listen to or create a highlight reel of this on your deathbed, there'd be some poignant, meaningful statements.
00:09:55
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Yeah. Yeah. Like with some serious editing, you can piece together like three or four thoughts that have been, that could be inspiring to to other people from me now. Where else have you had that nowhere?
00:10:08
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just stand up or as a parent or work as a leader. Just that. No, you didn't. As a leader, as an athlete in intramural basketball.
00:10:20
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Yeah. I felt that. Um, yeah I mean, I think as a parent you get a little bit, but you you immediately are, the kid's pushback is so swift and and and like immediate, like they'll blow off what I'm saying. But I think it's getting in, but I'll just be like, yeah, okay. It's not recorded is my point. you know You're not going to listen back to those moments.
00:10:39
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that's No, but you might have a moment, like you might remember a teacher a teacher or your parent or a coach in your head, something they said, and you're and you're like, that's it's almost recorded in your head, and and i and they might get that.
00:10:52
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But yeah, here it's here it can be reaccessed, not just depending on someone's memory or interpretation of it. But I think it's more for us. like not Not just the show, but like if I have any... It's almost like i'm it's like ah flowing consciousness where i'm I'm actually, while I'm here talking about this stupid shit,
00:11:10
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i I'm like, oh, maybe I should do this whatever. It's like ah it's a stream of consciousness, I guess. You know what i mean? like I don't have the answer and then maybe I'll come up with the answer because I have to sit here and talk to you. Which I guess to your point is kind of like a ah counsel right therapy situation. So to close this segment, wow I would say I'd recommend to any group of friends or
Podcasting During Tough Times: Help or Hindrance?
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two two guys especially, start a podcast.
00:11:36
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You don't even need a single listener. Just pretend that you're doing something for external reasons. But really, it's just internal channeling the connection of male friendship through a podcast.
00:11:51
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I think it's a good idea. i should ah I wish I would have started this segment with the with the the question of, is something like this podcast in a time of, ah you know, when there's some something really tough going in your life, is doing the podcast a detriment or a positive? that's that that was That was the real question. It's like, should I got to do this?
00:12:10
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Or ah I'm glad I get to do this and get away from the other thing. course, it's it's the positive. you felt both probably, right, over the last three years? us And every now and then I was just just annoyed to have to come on here and make something up, but that was just my own laziness.
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So no, I think it's positive. So I would say i haven't felt it. yeah Yeah. It's pretty easy. I mean, the editing is really where maybe the burden of my life as well, that's, I don't, to worry about that. Yeah. You don't do any of it, but ah dude, what do you think happens if our great president blows up all of Iran? Like what, what do you think actually happens?
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Well, first thing is I think I'm
Global Conflict and Personal Impact
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going to open. i have a show booked on Saturday, and i'm going to open the show with talking to the crowd about how safe I feel now that we've we've taken care of my ran. that's That's the first thing, is I'm to try to get some comedy out of it. Okay, that's good. ah Which is...
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which is Maybe won't get a laugh, but it is kind of funny to think of like these actions are kind of being marketed as protecting U.S. citizens and our greater interests. It's kind of crazy. right I mean, it sucks. i don't I don't know what to tell you. It sucks.
00:13:19
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If that happens, I don't know. what ah Your question is what's going to happen. I don't know if that leads to World War or just leads to like everyone going. Like, do you think, is there, is there any chance that it works? Iran goes up.
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We, we called you, you, you, we called your bluff and you were, you were, there was action and this thing just stops. You think it spirals out of control? I think there's a chance. I think the people that study it though, like the military history experts, when there's like a religious ideology that backs the government, it's very hard to crack that from a negotiation standpoint.
00:13:52
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It's like they will fight to the death. So I don't know, but I don't know what the response would be. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. well like What if it's just like we let we tonight or tomorrow, whenever this idiot says he's going to do this, drop thousands of bombs, obliterate a lot of shit, then then it's like, all right, see you guys later?
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like but then Then what happens? Are we going there and Occupy? no Nobody knows, bud. Nobody knows. like and They've certainly got some leverage in holding up that straight of Hormuz.
00:14:26
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it's Everybody knows about the Strait of Hormuz now, but they've they've developed a worldwide leverage by showing that they can hold that up and kind of impact the global economy. So I don't know that they give that up easily, but I'm not a military strategist. I just i just don't see how any of this ends pretty. But the that just to think, I was just trying to think through what would happen if that was that kind of attack was going on around me.
00:14:51
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It'd be like, you just couldn't go anywhere. They'd like hit the... water plants they'd hit um like excel energy and those those facilities you wouldn't have power and ah your telecommunications would be out like i don't know if americans could handle that we're such pussies i just don't know that we could handle that I think, but you, I mean, you'd find, you find out what happens and, and I mean, you really have no choice. So you would you would adjust like 300 million people would, yeah. would just be like, fuck it.
00:15:22
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but Some people would rally. Yeah. You know, the Iranians, I'm just, I'm just saying that they're, the impact on them is, is already tremendous and it's just going to be brutal. I mean, if it happened, if this, if someone did this to the U S in our territory, it wouldn't, it wouldn't probably mean the end of the world.
00:15:39
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world because we would probably start firing nuclear missiles back at them and that might trigger a whole lot of shit ah so yeah with this president there's no telling what's going down like he I think he just wants to live in infamy no matter what it is about some sort of legacy yeah I dropped the nuke on Iran like we have no idea what this ah this dude's capable of I guess that's the scary part so we'll see Yeah.
00:16:08
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His, uh, I don't know. I did read somebody, someone saying that, that he's showing signs of, of like Alzheimer's and aging and yeah and incoherent thoughts. and Impulse control issues.
00:16:20
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Yeah. Yeah. So if he, he whips out his dick and starts pissing at the podium, we're like, okay, he's, he's toast anyway. Okay.
00:16:32
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That's, I don't know what's, good I don't know what's going to happen there. Uh, you know I mean, from from a personal perspective, ah would you if so i'm flying up I'm flying up St. Louis on Thursday. Would you be like, let's cancel that?
00:16:50
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Nah. Are you afraid that anything's getting close to coming on our shores? I don't know. but i Continental USA? Yeah. I think that would be more of a day of thing.
00:17:02
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Are there missiles jettisoned towards us right now? I guess I'll cancel this flight. No, I don't think there's- That'd be funny if like, yeah, I could have lived, but I just happened to go to St. Louis right at the time that it's like, could have just been kicking it down here. No, I haven't heard of any- Ha ha, funny. Yeah.
00:17:18
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I haven't heard of any active threats like that, but you never know, right? But that I just, it's just more of thinking about other human beings, which are it's hard to do when there's that much distance of just, there's going to be Well, there already is, but there's going to be more widespread suffering. Because like Israel is looking to destroy the whole of Iran. I think they just blew up all their trains today.
00:17:40
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It's pretty sad. It's just pretty sad. Yeah. um I don't know, man. it's It sucks. But that this is the whole thing of ah we're going to blow. I don't know. Whatever he said, we're gonna there'll be like a whole so whole civilization taken off the map or something like that.
00:17:58
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A whole civilization will die tonight.
00:18:02
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unless something, something happens, but it probably won't happen. So we'll go forward. Uh, What, uh, what time is it? And, and, and Tehran, i don't know, but it's eight o'clock. Our time is what I understand. Tuesday is like almost over.
00:18:20
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oh eight o'clock DC time is if they haven't got an agreement, I guess. I mean, that yeah. Outside of the idea of what, of, uh,
00:18:32
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Trump and everything, like, if you're in Iran, even if you're, like, ah like fuck that guy and whatever, I mean, that would suck. If you're just sitting there going, like, I wonder if this is true or not, you know?
00:18:45
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I saw, I read some this morning that, the like, the the, I don't know what the, some guy who, like, the minister of youth and something in Iran is ordering kids to make, like, human chains around, like, power plants and shit like that.
00:19:00
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So that if we start ah bombing power plants, then we' we'll be bombing children, families. Wow. um So interesting. All right, bro. Enough of that shit. So you're going back to St.
Balancing Life: Family, Fitness, and Leisure
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Louis. Are you excited? I hear you're selling a lot of wood because you told me.
00:19:20
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yeah I mean, I'm ah um i'm excited. i'm i'm just um It's a pretty quick turnaround, but I've had a great time with my kids. I did a lot of surfing, did some cool jungle rappel shit. I sent you video of that. ah and ah you know Anytime I have a good day surfing, it's like all I want to do. and then Now I'm like worried i'm like worried that I'm running out of time. Financially, things seem like they might there might be a path.
00:19:48
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My kids are good, but and they'll be done soon. Then I'm like, shit, by the time I can really like go out, I can really commit to surfing, I'm going be like in my mid-50s. Am I still going to have enough energy to to get become a decent surfer?
00:20:00
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that's what I know you're dealing with some stuff, Lance. I'm dealing with that. That's a running theme in my household where we talk about like what are we going to be capable of? like If you sit and and you stay too comfortable and too routine in this moment, you really will have no choice but to kind of continue that as you get older. Like there's like your 60s is not the time to frolic the planet.
00:20:23
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You might think, oh, yeah, I'll be fine. But the flexibility just dwindles as the years go on and the ah physical capability. We all think we're going to be badass, but no. youre you you're the only you're the You're the only thing that keep you keep telling me that I'm fucked. You're the you're the problem, actually. You're the one that why it makes me worried that I'm running out of time to actually become decent surfer. I don't know that you'll be fucked, dude, but you're definitely not going be as capable. And what's good is to have awareness about that and go after it a little bit now.
00:20:53
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You don't have to do it every day, but really enjoy it. Just enjoy it I'm enjoying it, but you know, surfing and I mean a lot of stuff, is it's so much funner when you're fit and when you're and it's going well.
00:21:06
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You can deal with this so much more shit. And so over since I got back up to St. Louis, i my daughter and I have surfed a lot actually. i've been We've been going to town, like surfing and fuck climbing gym, and I'm just like, fuck, I feel so weak.
00:21:19
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And I know the only way like I'm going to build up strength is by doing stuff repetitively. I also need to be better about when I'm in St. Louis is trying to work out. But now that I'm doing shows and working, I don't really have time for that. but This will make you feel better. like I did reach top speed on a couple sprints yesterday. And I never go top speed, but it was full of throttle, smooth, tight strides, almost top speed.
00:21:44
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Pretty good, dude, for 50, bro. I ran sprints yesterday too. That's so gay of us, huh? We know we're not getting anywhere near our full throttle because full throttle would just be ripping the muscles.
00:21:59
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But I got there after on sprint number nine and 10, 100 meters. hundred meters What's the result? Are you sore today? Are you like, fuck, I can't do that for a month? No, it's the same feeling after. It's just that you're, whatever reason, nothing was feeling like it was going to pull.
00:22:17
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Because I'll just throttle it down to 70, 75%. But a couple, I went damn near close to 100, which is quite a triumph, I'll say, bro. Quite a triumph. So yesterday, what happened that you're like, fuck, I'm going to open it up. You're like, I feel good. Or or just you're just like you're processing a lot of shit and you're running. Nothing and nothing different.
00:22:38
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I'm doing other workouts throughout the week and it's not like the sprints always line up where my body's perfectly rested, which is what I should do is like maybe not do anything. before I do that kind of workout. But I wasn't sore because I think all all we did was go for walks the day before. So I felt good and got, you know, it takes still takes 30 to 45 minutes to warm up.
00:22:59
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ah when When we were younger, we could like rock through it at like, you know, five minute warm up and then we could pretty much get to full speed within 10 minutes. But it takes a long time because you're you're talking about all these frail Body parts.
00:23:13
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I mean, everything I've, I've pulled so many things in this process of like weird places. Like one thing on my ab, obviously a little bit of hamstring, a little bit of the calf, the the front part of your calf, like whatever that shin muscle is, little bit of Achilles. Yeah.
00:23:29
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yeah a little bit of shoulder, not full pull, but just strain. That's impressive. Slight strain. So you can, you can just, it's all much more fragile than when we were younger. It's not a workout people do at our age. Dude.
00:23:40
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I think what you said is important that it's hard to realize is that resting and letting your body recover is pretty important at this age. I can't do, like, so my son has got into bouldering and climbing, and and my daughter's into surfing, so I'm doing both, and I can't really do both at the same time. My shoulders are just getting shredded.
00:23:58
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My right shoulder is, something's going on. and But then I'll be like, oh, why did I feel so good yesterday? Oh, yeah, because I didn't do shit for like two days, three days, chilled out, let shit happen. But then I feel fat.
00:24:10
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Then I feel like I'm going to get fat. Yeah, there's like two curves happening simultaneously. One is your mental health, feeling good or bad, and then the other is intersecting with how much exercise you're doing. And i I always make my body feel like shit almost every day because the mental health side, my curve is like steeper.
00:24:28
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Like I need to like, I need to protect that. But yeah you so I think I'm sore every single day. It's it's it's fucking stupid. and But good sore or like?
00:24:39
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So something like Saturday, I was on my bike, putzing around like, I was probably 65 miles on that thing, just going back and forth doing errands and things. And then after that, I was like, yeah, B, and that's kind of a good sore.
00:24:54
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But then if you're a dumbass, then like me, you go into the next day, it's I think I better lift. And it's just not smart. I probably do legs. Probably should do legs. That's what I do. And it's day, every single day. And then every night I feel kind of like shit.
00:25:11
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You get like cranky when you bust that? Like do you get a little kind of like, you're kind of out of it because your body's so spent? The day of it's great. And then it's it's like, ah get worn down. Yeah. And get grumpy.
00:25:23
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like Yeah. I get that little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, but I'm like, okay, can I keep that up? But like last night I was at the climbing gym and I had run sprints during the day and I was just like, fuck, why am I so weak? My kids are like flying around.
00:25:38
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And i mean part of it's just I'm fat right now.
Physical Challenges and Aging
00:25:41
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Like that the one thing I'm realizing too is like every every five pounds makes everything like a little harder. oh god so no one would look at me and be like, you're fat. But if you put on weight and you're trying to do any of these weird fucked up white people sports,
00:25:55
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like everything is like, you know, trying to climb or boulder or surf, you're just carrying extra weight sucks. If you're running, sprinting, same thing. yeah Yeah. And you're, you're losing your cardiovascular health when you go to St. Louis for that long period. If you go two, three weeks, you don't just come back and like ramp it right up regardless of extra weight.
00:26:15
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Yeah. And, and I'm like, yeah, you're right. And then I'm, but I'm like right back in it. Cause I'm with my kids and we gotta to go conquer everything. We gotta to do everything and keep them going. And like, But we and like we have a pretty nice rhythm right now. It's just up there.
00:26:29
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And not just exercise. just like you know I'm staying in a hotel now because the house I was staying at is not available. and like So then you I go out to eat, just eat shit food, even if I'm trying not to. and Yeah. all you should I think you should run or do some 20-minute routine before you go to comedy.
00:26:48
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Yeah, I mean, I could. But then also then it's this, you know, there's there's a day of podcasting. Oh, yeah. mean This is fucking brutal. There's stuff, Lance. Yeah. Yeah. so And sometimes it's like, fuck, I'm going to smoke a cigar and fucking eat buckets of lard because I'm in St. Louis and it's St. Louis' is fault.
00:27:06
Speaker
And you want to lay in that bed and do a little Juergens, McGurgans. Yeah, lots of things to do. i'm just I'm hoping that I i can really get get after it but the between the age of 55 and 60. That's just irrational, though.
00:27:22
Speaker
and Well, I do think there's a bit of a... like ah like ah like a Lebron or a Ray Lewis later in his career. there's a gun I'm hoping that I have enough time to do something like surf where the technique and the and all that stuff is better. So I'm not actually just putting out more physical exertion and getting ripped. It's more like, ah, just have the time to become a better surfer. better And not just like actually standing up riding away, the better like being in the right place when a set comes through. So you're not just wasting energy swimming and... yeah duck diving better and all that shit.
00:27:56
Speaker
being on a smaller board possibly when, when there's a big swell. So that duck diving isn't like fucking trying to sink the Titanic like it is on my, my board. So that's a great I'm like, okay, I just need to, yeah, I know it's good, dude. I mean, every once a while, that's one of those moments where I'll look back and be like, that comment was good. You were born for it. You're just born for comedy.
00:28:16
Speaker
That's good. But, uh, it's that it's like the time to, to do that. And then I think, I mean, I don't, I don't think you or I are going to be, I don't think we're going to like, just cause we're 55, we're going to blow up to like 300 pounds. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying like the the idea that I'm going to wait till a later point at this age to optimize or or be at peak performance.
00:28:39
Speaker
It's just, you're not gonna be able to do it relative to what you're capable of now in all likelihood you would, you would be able to spend the time out there and and be a good surfer, but you have to warm up. You have to do different things maybe.
00:28:51
Speaker
Dude, I never warm up doing anything. I never have. yeah i don't i don't know if you remember how cavalier I took the stretching exercises that you were leading in our football days. Yeah, but you have to be all there because you have to be explosive to actually need to warm up. So it's it made sense. I never got hurt, though. Isn't that funny?
00:29:09
Speaker
Every every like physical therapist would be you've got to stretch for 94 hours. I never had any knee problems or anything. dude Knock on wood because i don't want to fucking jinx myself. Yeah, but you weren't fucking... You weren't touching top of the backboard and doing shit like that that I was.
00:29:24
Speaker
Top of the backboard. Pulling quarters off top of the backboard. that's for That's where you can rip yourself. Yeah, I hope I can hold it together. i mean, it's kind of selfish in a way to think that... But...
00:29:37
Speaker
ah I think part of it is like, I'm, as as I'm almost 50, I'm like discovering things that I really like where I'm like, I'm narrowing it down to like, this is what I like doing.
Discovering New Passions Later in Life
00:29:48
Speaker
And, and I'm like, ah, I discovered all this late. I know. And, uh, not late, but I'm like, oh, I kind of I kind of see the light. I'm like, I hope I have enough time to like live this life.
00:29:59
Speaker
Yeah. The gay sex will be there at 55. Don't worry about that one. Surfing will be a little bit harder, bud. ah Gay sex will be out in six years. It's in right now, I think. Or it was in like two or three years ago.
00:30:11
Speaker
Maybe it'll be out by then. and I won't be into it. Yeah. 56. I think I'm i'm just going to take that, dude. I'm rolling with it. What do you think about that?
00:30:25
Speaker
what What is it? I was just about to say something profound until you dropped a gay sex bomb on me, dude. That's good. We got to cut that shit off. any else ut like For example, that you're taught you're like, oh, we should open a pizzeria and fuck around.
00:30:38
Speaker
Even that, I'm like, oh. am might like If I'm 55, that sounds like a nightmare, running around a restaurant and doing shit. like So I'm like, even that, if I, okay, the life is like have a little beach pizzeria, surf, hang out. Maybe my kids help me with it. Maybe you do some.
00:30:54
Speaker
then I'm like, oh, what well, am I going to fire up ah another business and at 55 or whatever, 57? Probably not. probably That sounds like... um there's an it like even mess and not to have a couple partners with the energy it takes us start up a business search start anything like a new job or anything that like that sucks a lot of your energy where that's cool when you're like thirty two you know twenty five or even started to stand up again it's like uh... in so that's it scared me It doesn't scare me. like I just feel I'm like waiting for it to happen because I still feel pretty good. like I'm weak and all that shit, but part of that, I know I'm like fat and I haven't and i haven't been working. Bouldering and climbing is something that takes a long time to get to feel like you're fit.
00:31:37
Speaker
you know and I'm like... I'm, I'm, uh, am I waiting to feel like an old man? It hasn't happened yet, but I'm like, I don't think should. i just, just have some awareness about putting things off in the future.
00:31:51
Speaker
So the good, the good news is you are climbing. Now you are doing those things and enjoying them. I think that's good. But the truth is, man, we're going to, it's going to be a blink of an eye and we'll be 60.
00:32:03
Speaker
And it'll be like, fuck, I can't connect with my body as it was when I was 40. I kind of have a sense of what it was. I remember I could still explosively jump to try to dunk and do stuff like that.
00:32:14
Speaker
Well, I did dunk. and' say it'll be hard It'll be interesting. yeah I also hope at some point, ah i without just turning into complete fat piece of shit where i don't where I'm like, all right, it's okay. I don't need to fucking get good at surfing.
00:32:30
Speaker
At some point, I'll just be like, all right, this is good. I'll chill out. Just getting out in the ocean will be your goal. Love to be out here. Yeah, I can't. Right. I'll be a longboard dude who only goes out like on the three days a year when it's like perfect and chill. Mm-hmm.
00:32:46
Speaker
You can be that fucking guy. Hey, you see, I see all the time older people out there just fucking happy as fuck, not charging. they're They're good surfers, but it's not like they're trying to prove anything. So they're just like, hey, how's it going? Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:59
Speaker
and uh it'll be you i thought there was a guy though that was 64 that's fucking charging he's like super fit and like he's an inspiration yeah it's just life yeah dude but it's coming and it's a weird time in life because it's everything was like looking up like the building goals it wasn't like decline It was like growth, growth, growth, growth.
00:33:27
Speaker
And in some ways, now people would tell you that, well, that so you need to reframe that. a glass half full perspective. But no, it's also true.
Aging: Decline or Growth Opportunity?
00:33:35
Speaker
There's an aspect of cognitively and physically we are on coming down the hill a little bit.
00:33:43
Speaker
Well, I hope I can squeeze out at least 10 to 15 more good years and then hang it up. I bet you have 20 if you're healthy. 20 to like just do stuff you like to do.
00:33:54
Speaker
And then the body's just like, dude, get off the climbing wall. up I even, I like now my son's watching a lot of climbing videos. So we're watching this crap and like, I hear it's so funny because you'll hear like people are like, this guy's 48. I can't believe he's still doing like, you'll hear the younger people in these YouTube climbing videos and shit. They'll be like, this guy's still so fit at that age. It's insane.
00:34:19
Speaker
How do you do it? And then I'm like, the fucking dude's younger than me. And I'm like, I just started climbing two weeks ago. I mean, I don't really care about climbing that much. It's just a great thing to to hang out with my kids and park around. the yeah yeah But it's not like I need to like go do El Capitan or some shit.
00:34:34
Speaker
But it's just why I'm like, wait, what what are they saying? You know, I'm like, what are they talking about? It's fucking, or it's somebody who's like 52 who still like does really well. Yeah. And like, I don't, I guess maybe I'm just naive and dumb because they they're talking about it like a lot. You know, those, these are like true white, like Colorado type people that are talking about it scientifically and phi physiologically. And like if your body's depleting and all this crap and like peak performance years and all that kind of bullshit.
00:35:03
Speaker
that you white folk talk about. And I'm like, it it's like, it hasn't set into me that any of that like peak performance years, like there's a reason why I'm, I'm kind of weak. Like I'm never going to be as strong as I was like 20 years ago. That hasn't like set into me yet. I still think I just got to work out more and I'll get back to it.
00:35:21
Speaker
Yeah, dude. Probably not true. but But you're not... Well, tell you can tell me, but do you have some major goal where you would get into that mindset of peak performance and this is what I'm here to do? and Because I don't really like those people very much.
00:35:35
Speaker
The ones that dedicated their life to like one thing and they're just sort of boring people, ah usually. You don't like them? Well, they're just... I do. No, they're just...
00:35:47
Speaker
It's all. I'm not saying I want to hang out with them but I do admire people that I'm not admire, but I'm maybe jealous of people that like knew exactly what they wanted to do and and they just wrapped their whole life around. But they probably, know that must be a great way to live. It's a fantasy. I'm just saying a guy that all he showed up for on a consistent basis in his whole life is surfing.
00:36:05
Speaker
And, and like, you don't know what the backstory is. Like, i don't know. He never had kids or, but he just like surf, surf and he knows everything about it. Shitty father. Yeah. Whatever. I don't typically find people that are like that singularly focused interesting. I find i mean, i find that a conversation with them interesting, but beyond the surfing or whatever their primary goal is like that, I don't know. It just seems weird to me, I guess. I don't wanna criticize.
00:36:30
Speaker
So I don't know that you're gonna get that way about surfing and dedicate your life to it, but maybe. i would love to. For a while.
00:36:41
Speaker
Like, I would love to. I mean, even even like I'm making decisions. Like where on Saturday, for example, I was like, i it was ah Easter week. And like going to the beach and back is just like a nightmare of traffic and shit. and I was like, well, I'm going to go. I don't really care because this is when I can go.
00:36:57
Speaker
So I went with Sophia. It was like it was it was amazing actually it was a great day, but it took us like six or seven hours to get home and Just sitting in traffic and all sorts of third-world issues of old cars broken down and yeah all sorts of crap But I was like I could not go i was just going oh boy, you know like if you're if you feel yourself doing something you probably shouldn't do but you're like I can't stop it Well, why don't you move out there then?
00:37:23
Speaker
After the kids graduate. here No, I know.
Finding Joy in Simplicity vs. Expertise
00:37:25
Speaker
When they graduate. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what talking about. That'll be the time where might be able to do that. And then I'm like, okay, am I going to be like, ah, fuck. I'm an achy mess and I can still...
00:37:37
Speaker
But it doesn't matter. I mean, I'm pretty lucky. I get surf and hang out in nice weather more than most people in the world. But I think it's just a fantasy to think that the future you're going to be able to go balls to the wall. Like how many more like intense goals can we accomplish? Like sometimes I'll sit down with the guitar and be like, all right, I'm going to this to the next level.
00:37:56
Speaker
The question comes up, well, why? Why not just enjoy playing, enjoy the process of playing, or enjoy the moment that you're having, whether it's surfing or playing guitar? All that stuff matters less and less to me, like this being preeminent or premiere, anything.
00:38:13
Speaker
So I don't know. Maybe I'm just, that's a... The question is, like, for me is, kate would I be able to enjoy it more if i if I was either more fit in the case of surfing or, you know, for guitar, if you were more proficient or, like,
00:38:27
Speaker
or something else, would you be
Does Skill Improvement Lead to Fulfillment?
00:38:28
Speaker
able to enjoy it more? So I think for surfing, like I went out on Friday as well, but I went to this other place to get to the lineup of the way. Well, it's like a fucking half hour. I was with this 14 year old kid who was showing me where the lineup was this place. I don't go much.
00:38:41
Speaker
He's just fucking paddling like nothing. and we It was like we're paddling forever to get out to where the way was. You have to like paddle through this river and all this crap. And And I'm like, boy, this would be a lot funner if I was like him, this spry 14-year-old that's just fucking bouncing around. And I'm like, okay, can I get to that point?
00:39:00
Speaker
And like I don't know in guitar, what you if you if you took it to the next level, what that means for you. I mean, performing or just being so good at the guitar, you can do whatever you want and and play any song you want and enjoy it more. Would it be more enjoyable?
00:39:11
Speaker
it It might, but it also, like, I'm just... going through the process, like I can feel the wrist hurt. I used to just play constantly. Like the wrist will hurt. the Sometimes the shoulder will get there after about an hour. So it's it's not in my best interest to become singularly focused and to to like pump out like these huge goals. I know people, that's what I'm saying. When folks are are uninteresting, when they're still clinging so hard to this thing, like ah my wife has a client that's like 70 something and he just like,
00:39:43
Speaker
still is desperate to ski moguls at his risk and he just has to do it. And it's like people give him praise like, oh wow. and But it's also sort of, there's a silliness to it.
00:39:58
Speaker
That's got to be addictive though, being the 70-year-old that skis moguls, right? And everyone's like, can't believe you're still out here and he wants to keep doing that. And maybe that's it. not maybe It's an addiction. yeah Maybe it's just an addiction. It's our mental health issue where you're sort of like, ah,
00:40:12
Speaker
I don't want to accept reality. Me pursuing this, it's like sprinting. It's like sprinting. I'll call myself out. It really doesn't make sense probably after 60 to sprint, but there's something about it that makes you feel special.
00:40:26
Speaker
But again, it's, I don't like my life doesn't revolve around it. Yeah, but you definitely, I would imagine, because I feel the same way, and you youre you're worse. You're a worse adjusted human than me. if you If you went like three or four days without doing that shit, your life would deteriorate, because you'd feel like shit, and you'd be like, fuck, I didn't i didn't do this.
00:40:45
Speaker
Anything? Maybe, but I mean, i' it's not my life. Like I'm not like looking at the craft of sprinting like I wasn't a track star. And you get that that's what I'm talking about. Maybe more just movement in general. Like you you need it. You need it to have a good life activity and exertion. Yes, I need that.
00:41:03
Speaker
But like a lifelong climber, that that was their main thing in life. That's pretty much all they did. That's a good one-two conversation. But I guess what I'm after more is just a broad-based curiosity and and exploration as I get older.
00:41:16
Speaker
As opposed to like, I'm going to dial in paddleboarding. I'm to fucking paddleboard the shit out. I'm going to go like four times a week. You might... and I might get bored of something. are you might i People might get bored, but that might be the goal is just to air it out and then be like, all right, I did that.
00:41:35
Speaker
yeah but But it's like it's like what you what I feel like What I can say, ah oh I did that. It's like, oh, i haven't i haven't got there yet on surfing where i'm like, I truly did what I wanted to in surfing and now I can say I'm a surfer. feel like I need a little more time with it.
00:41:55
Speaker
There are times, though. Like on so on Saturday, I was like, so on Friday when I had that nine-hour paddle out with the kid, there were other guys out there that surfed. There was only a few people there, but they surfed this wave and they were like ripping it and I just couldn't.
00:42:06
Speaker
I was fucking getting my ass kicked. because I just couldn't get on the way very well. I got a few nice waves, but but I'm like, I should be able to go anywhere. Not anywhere. like It's not like I'm going to Nazare or fucking North Shore, but I should be able to go to more places and enjoy it. I would like that, yeah which would be a certain level of proficiency and fitness would help.
00:42:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well... Like with your guitar analogy, you're at a point where like you can do basically what you need to with the guitar. You're not like, I wish I could do this or that. And that's, it's holding your enjoyment back. Yeah, pretty much.
00:42:38
Speaker
Or um I don't know what else you're into besides hiking and your kids. Like there's nothing, you're nothing like, i wish I could get better at this. It's more like that. you There's stuff, but it's like, I'm not gonna make my life revolve around it. or I'm not gonna sit there and fantasize about a future when I can make that happen.
00:42:55
Speaker
I'm just gonna, like, I'm not gonna say, like, that's why i just like, go surf. Without going, I need more, or when this happens, I'll have more and it'll be all better. Probably won't. Probably won't be.
00:43:06
Speaker
Unless you're one of, like I said, one of those fucking weirdos who that's all they're about is this one thing in life. And they're just this freak that everybody thinks they like at first, but most people hate.
Freedom and Exploration Post-Separation
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah, it's probably part of like, andm still I'm still adjusting to a bit of a newfound freedom, which you might be going through soon too. Mine is related to my separation, which is not like I was under any sort of horrible like rules, but it's more just like when you don't when you're not in that like partnership, you can kind of do whatever you want, which is selfish, but also cool.
00:43:38
Speaker
And so I'm like, all right, I'm going to have the rest of my life like this. And then the next step will be like, I'm always doing something of my kids. The next step is they're going go on and have their lives. And um I'm like, I hope I can, whatever it is, I hope I can do all this shit and enjoy it for a while. Well, I'll be there for you, buddy.
00:43:56
Speaker
I would love to get you surfing, dude. But then you're just going be out there telling me that there's no point because we're getting old. No, Matt. I will be there for you. You got me? On the podcast, I state it with heart.
00:44:08
Speaker
I will be there. April 7, 2026. You're going to be like, that but don't worry about it, dude. At 55, doing a wave like that, still pretty good.
00:44:27
Speaker
Do you want a piece of shit in your life? Do you want a piece of shit in your life?
00:44:36
Speaker
come to the right place you've come to the right place cause I am a piece of shit and you know it I am a piece of shit and know