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The PODPOD Factory feat. DC Caterpillars & Obermullet - Two Top 100 Coaches! | Round 19 #PODPOD
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Dos is joined by not one, but TWO top 100 AFL Fantasy coaches, Dan Cottam (@DCCaterpillars) and Nathan Obermuller (@Obermullet) to chat about their seasons to date, 12 players of interest for round 19, and answer a heap of your listener questions! It’s an AFL Fantasy Factory / PODPOD crossover special edition of the PODPOD!
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Introduction to the Podcast and Guests
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Point of Difference AFL fantasy podcast, a fresh perspective on AFL fantasy classic brought to you by the keeper league pod. On this episode, I'm joined by two current top 100 coaches in Dan Cottom and Nathan Obermuller to chat about their fantastic seasons today. Go through some hot topics and the delish dozen. It's time for an AFL fantasy factory crossover edition of the pod pod.
Guest Rankings and Initial Thoughts
00:00:40
Speaker
Welcome to the Pod Pod. I'm Doss, here with DC and Nathan from the AFL Fantasy Factory. DC, I'll start with you, mate. Welcome. Thanks, mate. Great to be on.
00:00:50
Speaker
You're a late call up to the show today. Sorry to listeners that Louie is out today, but very happy to have you on board. They say, where are you sitting in the rankings, Matt? You are top 100, but you're right up there this season. I am. I actually slipped back to 29th on the weekend after being 19th. Thought you before. So I'm sure like everyone else, uh, cocked a fair few bullets this week, but, um, yeah, still, still having a great, great year.
00:01:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure we'll talk about those bullets very shortly. There were many, many bullets to have, but I reckon you had a few cheeky pods as well. A very good show for you to be on, because you had a few of those five. But we've also got Nathan here. Nathan also in the top 100. We're blessed to have two of the great coaches going in 2020, season 2021. Now, mate, you're not quite at your target of the 69 cap right now, but what are you sitting at at the moment?
00:01:40
Speaker
No, not at the 69 cap, unfortunately, but I'm 94. If it wasn't for a couple of bullets, I'd be 68. Beautiful. Well, we're glad to have you both on board now. That's how you traveling. I know, Nathan, you're in the lockdown at the moment in Melbourne, so traveling okay though, mate?
00:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's good. It's a lot easier now that footy is actually on. It was a lot harder last year in lockdown when there was no footy. So it was a great weekend. Nine straight games back to back. Yeah, at least you're keeping yourself busy with the footy that's on. And how about you, D.C.? You're in Canberra, but you're travelling all right? Yeah, going well. Canberra actually hasn't had a case for about a year. So unfortunately, we're getting lumped in with all the folks up in Sydney. So it makes it pretty hard to travel anywhere at the moment, but can't complain too much.
00:02:27
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. Well, we just had news tonight that SA is just doing a little bit of pre lockdown measures. We're not going into lockdown yet. So yeah, just a lot of stuff going around in Australia at the moment. So we hope everyone, all our listeners are safe and healthy. Obviously reach out on the socials if you're struggling and we'll try and do whatever we can. Probably just on the fantasy front, we can help you out there, but yeah, hope you're all going okay.
Strategies and Mistakes in Rankings
00:02:52
Speaker
We will do a round 18 recap in a moment, but I just want to,
00:02:57
Speaker
You guys are having absolutely ripping ears. I just want to hear a bit about them, DC. Maybe just take us through, I don't know, maybe your best moves or something about your team that has got you to where you are right now sitting 29th overall.
00:03:10
Speaker
I feel like you've set me up for this question, Doss, because I'm going to mention one of your boys and that's Sean Darcy. So I was one of the fairly early adopters of getting Sean Darcy and probably right before he went on a bit of a tear. So when a lot of people went for Royal Marshal, I went for him instead.
00:03:28
Speaker
It really shot me up the rankings the weeks following that. I started the year with a lot of those better mid price guys as well. So I think starting with a good squad always helps. If you can get off to a fly out, then it's about trying to hold that spot instead of trying to chase tail later in the year.
00:03:44
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Sean Darcy was a ripping pic. I was big on him, but unfortunately myself didn't ever pick him up. And I mean, now you're obviously going to have to deal with the injury and we'll touch on all the injuries, bullets later. But at least I reckon he's got injured twice.
00:03:59
Speaker
this season, but Shawnee Darce, he's still, in both of his games where he's got injured, he's still pumped you out, a respectable score. So he's still toned up for you there. I just want to know also DC, what are some of those picks that despite being 29th overall, maybe that actually failed you throughout the year and still managed to be up so high despite maybe copping a bullet or two?
00:04:22
Speaker
There's two picks I've probably had this year that have been out and out terrible. The first one was after that round two game where Jaden Stevenson, I think, put up a 50 off the back of his 130-odd in round one. And I watched both of those first two games that he played and saw the second one and thought, oh no, the roll's gone. And I jumped straight back off him.
00:04:45
Speaker
and brought in Dusty Martin. And Dusty Martin proceeded to pump out fifties and sixties for about the next month. And then I think got injured on about a 25. Whereas, uh, Stevenson brought up about 10 weeks worth of eighties. So, um, that was a really horrible pick and probably cost me a little bit of momentum early. And then the other one is still on my team, although hopefully not after this week. And that's Matt Rao.
00:05:12
Speaker
who brought in his first game back expecting that he was probably going to still outperform his price but he just looks a long way off at the moment.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah, that was a risky pick by you for sure. But you have gone out on a limb on a few of these pods and they have paid off. So I guess you giveth and taketh in fantasy. Unfortunately, a few misses, I know you've been a big advocate on Twitter about not bringing in Dusty. So I did see a few victory laps this week when you saw a bit of an injury and a few poor scores in a row. We'll get to, actually, before I forget, because I always do, your Twitter handle quickly, DC? It's DCcatapillos.
00:05:49
Speaker
There you go. You know, you love it. He does the hat chat on Wednesday nights. You can check that out as well. They go live on spaces. You often get a special guest in there, Dossie, talking about the worst possible picks you can make for the week. But, Nathan, how about you, mate? You've had an awesome year as well, still inside that top 100, aiming for that cap. And what about you? Some hits, some misses, maybe.
00:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, so the hits were, I think, just finding the right value players at the right time. So right at the start of the season, making sure you have those right players. So I think Oleg Markov was obviously one of the best picks I could have possibly had, as well as when Danger went down round one, I went straight to I went straight to Callum Mills, who's obviously until last round was my best pick so far.
00:06:36
Speaker
There's been a few more misses, to be honest, and I'm honestly surprised I'm top 100 when I label these out. I traded out Liam Duggan an hour before he played Collingwood and popped out at 148. So that was a painful week, which I didn't think it could be topped, but it was topped by trading in Mitch Duncan.
00:06:58
Speaker
At the top price, 845K, who promptly scored me a 71, and I was a bit upset, and then he scored me an 8, and I was apoplectic. I was furious, and he dropped me 150K, but I'm still on track for a hat, so I can't be too mad.
00:07:17
Speaker
Yeah, the Mitch Duncan trade infamous on the Twitter landscape as well. And where can we find you, Nathan? As I said, I always forget to bring it up later in the show. So you might as well do it now. You've got me an at over mullet. So it's my last name, but with a T instead of an R.
00:07:32
Speaker
at Open Mullet and at DC Caterpillars. All right, lads, well, let's jump into the round 18 recap and we might as well just start off with me because as not being the only under 100 coach here that I am, I only got the 2092. Rubbish as usual. What about you, lads? Let's go with you, DC.
Round 18 Performance Recap
00:07:50
Speaker
I had a 2196, which I think is probably around about par, I guess, but a bit disappointed with that. As I said earlier, I still dropped a few spots and
00:08:01
Speaker
Got quite a few bullets this week. Yeah, I reckon we've mentioned basically all the bullets in the opening here. Talking about mostly your players that have been awesome for you this year. So it's kind of a shame, obviously, getting those players to come out right at this time of the year. It's not ideal. But, Nathan, how'd you go this year, mate? Yeah, I got a 22-20. Again, it was all right. I still didn't drop too far. But disappointing in the sense of it could have been a lot bigger had Mills played that last game and didn't cop a donut.
00:08:31
Speaker
yeah and uh like i said we will touch on them in a moment in hot topics there's so much to get to there but um ranking this week we've spoke about you two you're 94 and 29 oh dossie 12,412 lads and uh but i'm just
00:08:46
Speaker
haven't still still having a bit of fun. And let's talk about my nailed it this week, which has been my nailed it probably maybe for a couple of weeks here. Braden Feorini still getting it done for me guys. Another big ton for the great man. And I'm just enjoying having him as a pick. He's been fantastic. How
00:09:05
Speaker
Did he and Jeremy Sharp not play more of this year? They both were basically the leading disposal getters against the dogs who would be right up there with the Premiership favourites. And that's Stewie Jew missing out on 50 odd touches a week for the first 17 odd rounds of the year. What's going on, Nathan?
00:09:22
Speaker
Oh, it's insane. Watching those two, especially Sharp, was just painful to watch as a non-owner, but awesome. It was awesome work and the sons did look a lot better with them in the team. So, I wasn't hot on fear anyway when he came in because I didn't think he'd last. I reckon he's a shoo-in to stay for the rest of the year.
00:09:41
Speaker
I bloody hope so. But Stu, Stu does hate him. So, you know, could happen next week. Yeah, Locky Weller was out with concussion protocol. So if he does end up returning, I still, you know, I still just don't trust Stu. He might, he might swing the ax on poor, poor Godorini. D.C., who was your nailed it for the week?
00:10:00
Speaker
It's the guy actually brought in the same week as Matt Rao, and kind of didn't think it was a good pick either. Probably up until about the last three weeks, and that's Taran Thomas. Huge pod. Yeah, he's a big pod. There's actually a few people in the top 20 or 30 or so that have got him. Wow. But not that many outside of that, I don't think. But yeah, he pumped out a 126 after a 60 something point first quarter.
00:10:27
Speaker
and it was kind of funny we were talking in one of our group chats about the fact that he just doesn't seem to have a ceiling yet right before that game because he keeps putting up 80s and then throughout the 126 so a few more of those please oh he's been looking amazing you got you got mid 80s for him for a couple of weeks and now 126 he's got Carlton this week
00:10:46
Speaker
should put up another big score there. That's a great pod. Was that more of a buy strategy than just picking him for the long-term? Did you think that was going to be a short-term hold and sort of just get you through the buys? Or was this just DC genius here picking the breakout post buy? No, it's definitely not a genius pick. It was a hopeful pick. So I think that was the round where Ned Reeves was a laid out. And I initially had him coming in and then a premium. I can't remember who it was.
00:11:16
Speaker
And then when Reeves was out, I brought in Rao and Thomas instead. So it went to mid prices and one's obviously been pretty good and one's been awful. So that's what you get with mid prices sometimes. They don't always work, but yeah, he's come good in the last three weeks or so. Amazing stuff. Naif, you are the man that supports the Roos, but you're not going to be using Taran because you don't have him in your squad, but who's your nailed it this week?
00:11:40
Speaker
I wish I had Taran. But no, my plus three, my nailed it, is Clayton Oliver. And that's because all week I was tossing up Clayton Oliver, Taylor Adams, or Locky Neil, and couldn't decide between the three. I finally landed on Locky Neil, and then Sean Darcy went down. And I went, well, I can't bring in Locky Neil, I need to find someone else.
00:12:01
Speaker
And then the next day, Swandasi was apparently fine. It wasn't too bad. So then it went, well, I can bring in that premium and brought in Clayton Oliver and 126. Very happy with that. It could have been even bigger.
00:12:14
Speaker
Yeah, that was, yeah, he played amazing. Both those Carlton, sorry, those Melbourne premiums are absolutely dominating the last few weeks. Well, Clayton's come good this week. You've got him at the perfect time, but yeah, Petrarcha next to him as well, absolutely killing it. Failed it, let's get a bit negative here. DC, you moved down in the rankings and it might have been off this failed it.
00:12:35
Speaker
Yeah, it actually was off this failed it. So if I went with another captain option, other than Brody Grundy, I would have either held rank or moved up a couple of spots. So yeah, that was really unexpected. And just, yeah, I cannot understand how he only put up a 20.5 or whatever it was. So.
00:12:57
Speaker
That's a strange one. It is. You would have expected coming up against the young TDK that he would have put up a monster score. I think a lot of people back that in as well. And I mean, could you put your finger on it? Is there anything that you were noting that just wasn't right with the mighty grunt?
00:13:14
Speaker
I actually missed the second half because I was watching the Eagles game, being an Eagle man like yourself, Dossi. But yeah, he looked fine in the first half, I thought. I actually thought he started pretty well. He was on 50 something at the half, so I thought, oh, this will be probably a 120. And then obviously just died completely in the second half. I think Darcy Cameron is taking a little bit more more ruck time, but
00:13:35
Speaker
Um, yeah, I don't know if, uh, if anyone watched the second half of that game and knows exactly what happened, then please let me know. Cause I would like to know. Well, I was watching it. I had things I had nothing else to do and I wasn't watching the Eagles. Definitely. Uh, so when I had, uh,
00:13:52
Speaker
It was TDK, essentially in the second half, was just following him a lot closer around the ground. So the ruck hit-ups were sort of evenly matched. But in that first half, Grundy was just getting all these uncontested possessions around the ground. And then TDK started following him a lot more closely. And as Carlton got on top, Grundy just stopped. So, yeah, I don't know what to explain. It's the second time in three games where he's had a great first quarter and then just gone on to go sub 100.
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah, well, it seemed like Carlton obviously got on top of the game as well after that point. So if you're talking about maybe a cheeky TDK tag on the mighty Grundy and mixed in the fact that Carlton came back, yeah, it's probably a mixture for bad score for Grundy. How about you, Nathan? What was your favourite this week?
00:14:36
Speaker
It's very rare that I can have a donut on my field and that not be my failed it but Nick Haynes scored a 43 and honestly I was lucky to get 43 from him. I thought it was going to be another sub 20 and I know he did that last year. I still brought him in ready to be hurt and he quite rightly hurt me and thanks to all the injuries he's staying in my team for another week so this is a failed it to you Nick Haynes you better shake up this week mate.
00:15:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's an unfortunate one, Hainsey. I've got a failed it that's just as disappointing, I think, from my perspective anyway. Sort of in that dusty camp of you paid up sort of that price that you thought was maybe a bargain. DC wouldn't have paid up the second time for this guy, but...
00:15:21
Speaker
you thought he was in that bargain price. And I'm talking about Dan Houston. He's just not delivered what we kind of expected somewhat as, you know, buying this guy, you thought it was a bargain. I don't think he's barely moved his price, or if not, he's might've lost some since I bought him, thinking it was going to be a value pick. 61 points in his last three games. He got me 56 on the weekend. He's had 70, 57, and 56. Two 50s in a row, just...
00:15:47
Speaker
just gross scores was expecting a bounce back this week and this weekend he's got Collingwood so he'll be sticking around I won't be doing the Liam Duggan vs Collingwood trade out this time but yeah just just not a good score from Dan Houston you gotta lift mate so anyway we'll move on to hot
00:16:06
Speaker
topics and let's talk about all these injuries on the
Impact of Injuries and Coping Strategies
00:16:11
Speaker
weekend boys. And how many bullets do we cop? Cause it sounded like we copped a few. Now last week, of course, we had Lockie Whitfield, your Markovs, your Langford's, these guys out this week. Dusty in the early rounds going out. Sounds like he's out for the season now with what was it, a kidney injury. So that did look nasty. Then we've got Shawnee Darcy with, I think it was an MCL knee injury. So he's done for a little bit.
00:16:35
Speaker
Josh Kelly looking like that's pretty bad. I haven't checked the news this week. You might be able to catch me up to date on that. It looked pretty bad, an ankle injury. All highly owned players. Then a guy you were talking about before, Nate, Mills getting, not the injury replacement, but a strange situation with a Corona injury, just making two laid outs due to going and attending the rugby. Don't know why you'd go and do that in the first place, Millsy. And then Toby Green as well.
00:17:03
Speaker
Gosh, just carnage late in the season here. We just had a whole heap of outs. And I'm sure there's lots of coaches. I mean, I was checking the number one ranked player at the moment in AFL fantasy. And I reckon he's got three or four of them. So nobody's safe at the moment, DC.
00:17:21
Speaker
No, absolutely not. I mean, a lot of these guys are super, super relevant players. If you looked at the ownership numbers that Half's been putting out in the top 100 over the past few weeks, they'd all be up there in the top 50 own players, these guys. So, yeah, just a horrible week for fantasy. It's one of the toughest weeks I can remember in a long, long time.
00:17:42
Speaker
Yeah, at the wrong end of the season, just an amazing timing for this to all happen. And what do we do from here, DC? Is there an interesting way you can sort of go about this and turn a negative into a positive and get some creativity going with your trades? Or at this point in the season, particularly if you're in your guys' situation up the top, I mean, is it better to play it safe? What's your opinion on that?
00:18:07
Speaker
It's an interesting one. I actually think the people that are probably likely, other than those that have missed the bullets completely, the people that are likely to actually benefit out of this are those that have got really good bench cover. So if you've got guys like Sharp and Bramble sitting on your bench already, and you can pull them on field for a week or two, if you've got three or four of these guys out, you can probably deal with them covering some of these guys. If you've got, let's say four injuries, you can obviously only move on two of them.
00:18:37
Speaker
If you're able to cover them with those sort of guys, you're probably going to get a bit of a leg up over the teams that have maybe got the same amount of injuries but have got a lot of red dots.
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's a fair call. And I totally forgot one of my failed. It's got to be Jeremy Sharp sitting on my bench with the A on him. He's been on my field every other week that he's played and missed out on the 120. But huge score from him. Shout out to Sharpie for doing that. Nate, what's your opinion on this as well? Is there an approach you can take, especially yourself? You're just scraping into that top 100. Are you going to go a bit interesting here as well and try and make this final push towards the end of the season?
00:19:12
Speaker
Yeah, I've been playing quite aggressively the last few weeks with a couple of sideways trades. So it's meant that I've been stuck with a rookie on field. And yeah, as DC said, that rookie is normally, it was high more one week for 110. It was Bramble for sort of his 99. So you can keep this sort of one rookie on field. And I think it's really important going forward with these sort of potential one week injuries or one week out, as in Mills is out next week as well.
00:19:38
Speaker
is to take a look at what your team is going to look like at the end of next week as well. And if you're doing two sideways trades this week, is it going to actually make your team better in two rounds time? So if holding mills for one more week and fixing up another bullet is a better move for you as it probably is for me, I'm going to keep mills and have my bench because in two weeks time my team will be stronger.
00:20:01
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's such a fine line, but yeah, it's a, it's a good strategy. I think, especially being sort of up that top end, you got to really make the right decisions at this time of year. And I, even though I do, whatever decision I make will be wrong. So I'm just going to make it and live with it.
00:20:19
Speaker
Look, you can't get worse than a Mitch Duncan 8. I think whatever decision you make is going to be fantastic from here compared to the worst. All right, guys, we'll move on to our segments in just a second. But if you enjoy our weekly podcast, then join up to be a member of Pod Pod Plus for an extra weekly podcast recorded on a Wednesday night with five-time top 100 finisher, The Statesman. And I reckon we have two members of Pod Pod Plus on this podcast tonight.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yes, you do. Lovely, lovely chat. I credit my top hundred exactly to Pop Pop Plus. I'd expect nothing less. Nothing to you, Nathan. And DC's content. Yeah.
00:21:00
Speaker
Yeah, well, you do. You get exclusive access to the PodSquad Facebook group, which has been pretty good as well to throw around those trade ideas and brainstorm with other Pod Pod Plus members. I often put my trades up there, cop a lot of crap, and then maybe tweak them just slightly. Speaking.
00:21:18
Speaker
of things that I had to tweak slightly this
Debating Fantasy Picks: Chris Burgess and Others
00:21:21
Speaker
week. It was a trade and it was bringing in Chrissie Burgess.
00:21:36
Speaker
Burgess, when he's in there rucking, they are undersized as well, but he's got a fantastic vertical. Now I threw around a few trades during the week. In fact, I think mainly the only person, one of the only people that would have seen them was probably Nate. Chuck to cheeky DM your way, which is partially what led to this appearance on the pod. And I was telling you, I was going to bring in the mighty Chrissy Burgess in line with my current playing strategy, which is just enjoy the game.
00:22:05
Speaker
And I don't know, I think I think you might have actually liked the trade at the time, didn't you? I did. I did like the trade. Unfortunately, Caleb Graham came in. But until that point, I really liked the Chrissy Burgess trade as an absolute cash grab.
00:22:18
Speaker
Now this this segment's been around just for this is the second week of the segment. Last week we had a great segment. It was who Chrissy Burgess scored more than. Last week we had some fantasy royalty in the likes of Tom Mitchell and a few other names that were just outstanding names.
00:22:35
Speaker
This week it's not so pretty Caleb Graham as he said coming in to take a bit of his ruck minutes and Hopefully I did jump off when I saw that so I didn't actually trade him in thankfully I did not follow the Chrissie bejesus. I didn't honor the bejesus
00:22:51
Speaker
I feel ashamed for doing so, but I did see Caleb Graham coming in playing those ruck minutes. I heard a bit of a stewie-dew press conference that said he was going to do such. So this week, Caleb Graham, sorry, Chrissy Burgess only scored more than Nick Haynes, who unfortunately we've talked about for Nate, Jack Billings, who ironically, Nate, if you remember the trade, I was bringing in both of them.
00:23:15
Speaker
Chrissy Burgess and Jack Billings as my original trade. So the Dossy Curse lives. David Mundy, Aaron Norton and Dev Smith. So Chrissy Burgess back to solo Ruck would be ideal. And they probably would have won the game. Stewie Jew, if you didn't swing that trade yourself and bring in Caleb Graham. All right. We shall now get into the Delish Dozen, which we've been doing for a few weeks here.
00:23:39
Speaker
And this is going through 12 players that you've requested off the social medias that you want to talk about. And I've actually got a lot of different names this week. So I'm very thankful for all the people that commented on the Twitter post that we did to get all these names through. And I'm just going to go one to DC, one to Nathan, just get through all this delish dozen and the first name here. I will say he made a point
00:24:02
Speaker
to message me and make sure that we spoke about this guy and it's Cam Guthrie because it is Louis' pick of the week. He's very keen on Cam Guthrie. 747K, a great point of difference, which is probably why Louis is pointing this out. He's part of the Pod Pod. It's a Pod Pod Pod. Now he's averaging 118 last round, 92 in his last three with a break even of 112.
00:24:28
Speaker
Is either of you guys keen to talk about Cam Guthrie, because who wants to kick it off? No, if you look a bit eager to get on that mic.
00:24:36
Speaker
I love that Cam Galsbury pick. He's on my radar this week. I think that he is absolutely priced at such an amazing point that he's ripe to jump on at the moment. Obviously, had that injury-affected game against the Gold Coast, but he was on track for almost 150 in that game before the injury. And ever since his comeback, he's just been scoring for fun. No Mitch Duncan in this team, I've heard. And I don't think Mitch Duncan will be back this year.
00:25:01
Speaker
So I think that Camgar 3 absolutely should average probably 110 plus from here and will be an excellent addition for an M7 or M8. Yeah, I don't mind that at all. And he's got you along this week on the cards if all goes to plan. Luke Parker's next at 735k. Had a big round on the weekend. He was one of my point of difference options a few weeks back. I think one of the questions that we've had for Luke Parker this season anyway
00:25:30
Speaker
has just been that potential to go high and get a nice 110 plus score. And I think we did get that ceiling gain this week with 117. He's got a nice last three round form of 104. But DC, is the lack of a consistent ceiling though going to reduce your likelihood to go toward a Luke Parker type of pick?
00:25:51
Speaker
I don't hate him as a pick by any means, but I think if given the choice, I'd probably go up to a can Guthrie at 12K more expensive. As you said, I think he's probably pretty consistent. I don't think he's going to burn you. But I actually think the time to get him in was probably maybe three or four weeks ago because I think he dipped below 700K. So that's probably when I would have jumped on rather now that sort of extra 40-50K just makes him a little bit less attractive, I think.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, the price point does sort of turn you off a bit if you could have got them cheaper, but if memory serves, the run home for the Swans is still pretty juicy. He's got Freo, Essendon, Saints, North Melbourne and Gold Coast to finish. Another definite point of difference there.
00:26:35
Speaker
I mean, if, if, if you do, if, uh, Lukey Parker does take with your fancy, I think you could definitely do worse, but agreed, you know, especially Camp Guthrie, only 12 K more. I'd probably go for that considering his, uh, massive ceiling that he showed us this year. Next up, we got humor cluggage at 689 K, uh, 101 average for the season.
00:26:57
Speaker
Tailed off a bit at that sort of halfway point was absolutely fire in the early goings of the season, but he's now at 95 in his last three, 107 on the weekend. Any temptation there, Nate? Pretty cheap. He's pretty cheap and I think it's a relatively vanilla pick in the sense of if you couldn't afford, if you couldn't afford much and he was there and he was a
00:27:19
Speaker
highest player you could pick. Yeah, I think he's safe to pick, but I don't think he necessarily is going to dominate and potentially go 110, 120, which is what you're looking for with his potentially the last mid-spot going forward. Again, you talked about the run of Luke Barker. I think the run of Humacluggage is even better. So definitely there, but he's the number three option in fantasy in his own team, potentially even number four if you count Zorko. So for that reason, I'm not massively keen on Humacluggage, but he's definitely fine to pick.
00:27:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point. I think most of his big scores as well were maybe when Lockie Neal kind of went down there. I think he did put up a few when they were in the same side, so kind of a mixed bag, but certainly not the number one inside-min still does play a little bit outside
Player Performance and Potential Predictions
00:28:05
Speaker
ball. He's predominantly sort of that outside.
00:28:07
Speaker
Outlet player, but I still don't mind the cluggage. I've got a bit of love for him. Of course Daniel rich is the next player. We're talking about 673 K being one of the underrated studs in the backline this year personally couldn't do it 96 average sort of only 85 in his last three, but Just not sexy enough for me at the moment even with the Brisbane's nice run home DC
00:28:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you, Dulce. I just don't think he's priced at an attractive enough price. And I don't think he's going to burn you if you don't have him. He's probably not going to burn you if you do get him as well, but he's just likely to keep putting up those sort of 80s to 110 type scores, but he's not really going to launch up the rankings by pumping out a 130.
00:28:51
Speaker
the ceiling doesn't seem there does it really for Daniel Rich he's always sort of that consistent player but again just not not sexy enough I don't think for us here on the pod pod mixed in with the factory vibes here uh Andrew Gaff 658k
00:29:08
Speaker
I wouldn't say sexy either, this pick, but certainly a man with a ceiling, 114 last round. He's got the trademark Pod Pod observable thirst, certainly does Gaff, he loves a plus six, screams for it when he's open, 94 in his last three, but Gaff is a guy that I consider to be a pretty solid pick here at this price, it seems like a massive bargain.
00:29:34
Speaker
Agree, he's definite bargain at this point, but he's similar to a Nick Haines in that when he hurts you and he pumps out a 50, you're going to go, well, I should have expected that. And everyone's going to tell you they expected it, but until then, enjoy the ride and he's very, very cheap. Well, we point out that I mentioned last week to Nathan that I was thinking about bringing in Andrew Gaff and he said, what are you talking about? Don't bring in Andrew Gaff. Anyone would have thought I was suggesting to bring in Patty Dow or something.
00:30:02
Speaker
And look what he did. He scored 114 or whatever it was. That's right. He did very well. As a West Coast man, they're just trying to probably protect you from hurting your own team from having too many of the mighty coasters in there. But I was actually just about to say you can have your word on GAF as a West Coast man, but you jumped in before I came.
00:30:19
Speaker
Before I do it anyway, so you're that desperate to talk about it. Um, I don't mind him at all. That price is just ridiculous for what we know gaffes done in the past, but they say, do you reckon the coasters can get up and about for this last, um, you know, a few weeks of the season and get back to his best that we know he can do in those, you know, 105 plus is usually what old gaffy can do. I think he really depends a lot on how the team is going.
00:30:43
Speaker
pretty much any outside purely outside midfielder does. If your team's getting belted on the inside of the midfield, you're not going to get a lot of cheap ball on the outside. So the Eagles have been really, really poor for about a month. But if those those mids, particularly shoeing and yo can actually hit full fitness and some better form, then yeah, you might see an uptick with gaff as well. But I'd be pretty hesitant just because the Eagles are playing so poorly at the moment.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah, I guess it's going to stop Gaff from scoring is Mark McGowan. If he if he locks down WA and they take Gaff away from his beloved Optus Stadium, then he could potentially average a lot 10 points less. So just keep an eye on that.
00:31:29
Speaker
I think one thing that could benefit him though is the crowd numbers do stay very low or even dissipate altogether. Gaff does scream for that pill very loud and he might be heard a little bit more because I reckon sometimes he gets ignored when the crowds are loud.
00:31:45
Speaker
Gaffey could get on the back of a couple more plus sixes. Speaking of a plus six merchant, let's talk about Isaac Smith, 650K. I reckon the person that tweeted here said he's very under the radar as a forward option. I'd have to agree. 91 average. He got the stock standard 91 last round. Probably guy I do see as having a reasonable ceiling, but he just doesn't hit it super often. But a guy you could go as a point of difference. Do you see any interest in Isaac Smith?
00:32:15
Speaker
No, in a word. Yeah, similar, similar, I guess, to Gaff. He doesn't have the scoring history in the same way. I think he's had a really good season. The other thing I don't particularly like about him as well as his age. So, Selby the goat is one of his rules about players to pick and not to pick is you don't pick guys that are well over the age of 30 because they're unlikely to keep improving. So,
00:32:40
Speaker
in this game value is almost everything and for me he's not really valued at his price. Yeah that's a fair point a guy that I do see as value but I do have admittedly some love for this man Jordy Dawson 646k just the 85 average for this season but we did flag it last week on the pod pod
00:33:04
Speaker
and I might have said in pod pod plus as well I think we had a member that was kind of keen on dawson I definitely gave him my approval there 97 last round 101 in his last three seemingly moving higher up the ground to a wing and we know dawson in the past
00:33:19
Speaker
I reckon fantasy Frico has definitely got a tweet in the archives of Jordan Dawson when he plays on the wing. He averaged up to 98. I reckon it was in the 2019 season. It was probably only a five or six game sample. So admittedly relatively small. But when he's up the ground, he gets used a lot and gets a lot of plus sixes. 97 last round. Got the defender eligibility this year. Nate, is there any interest in JD?
00:33:47
Speaker
I think at 646 he's an absolutely really good option, particularly given the number of defenders that have gone down at the card moment in time. What was most impressive to me was he was able to pump out at 97 without kicking any goals. That was my concern from him the last couple of weeks was that he had to kick three goals and two goals respectively. But to be able to pump out in almost a ton price at that amount, I like it as a risky pod pick, but I think there's potentially cheaper options that you might want to consider instead.
00:34:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's certainly that point of difference, bit of risk reward. We haven't seen, we've seen one 120 from him. So I'd say the ceiling probably, yeah, admittedly probably not as much there as maybe some other options you can go in this price range. But as an enjoyable pick, I do love to watch him. So I'm back and enjoy the Dawson and especially with that schedule, very nice schedule coming for the run home. So it's one to consider, especially Freo Essendon. Essendon next week as well is for one that I'd be very tempted to roll out Dawson against.
00:34:47
Speaker
Steven Canelio's here. Lucky to just get the call up on the weekend from the Niffel. The VFL these days are from Leon. Not his biggest fan of old cogs, but 620K.
00:35:00
Speaker
Seems cheap, right? But 67 average, 64 last round, obviously injury-affected average, but 64 last round in his return. He's shaped, they say, but you're not going there at this point. This is the Matt Rau expensive, except more expensive version? Yeah, pretty much, you know what it does. Yeah, I just, I think after that experience with Matt Rau, I'm way off.
00:35:27
Speaker
going guys that are coming off long-term injuries especially guys like cogs who's actually fighting with a lot of other guys at GWIS for solid midfield time so I expect we'll probably see him spending good time forward. I think he's a pick for next year especially if he manages to play enough forward time to get forward status.
00:35:46
Speaker
I guess the argument for the midfield time stuff would probably just be Kelly going out. Do they need to replace that? They're obviously going to have to find someone to go in there, and Coggs is fairly logical replacement. I understand where people might come from there. But with his break even, I know break evens don't necessarily matter, and you can probably gain the edge by going the larger break evens. I myself brought in Dunkley last week, so I sort of went for the option of going a bit early on this sort of a player.
00:36:15
Speaker
But yeah, Cog's Essendon this week, I just, I think you can just wait for him because again, he's an injury playing player and I'm with you there, DC. Now, we won't talk to DC about this guy, but unfortunately we have a definite biased opinion in bound about this player, Taran Thomas, 600K, 76 average, 126 last round and 100 in his last three. DC would be loving him in his team. We'll talk to Nathan who,
00:36:43
Speaker
Just beware, he's a north man, but what are your thoughts on him as a forward option for us at 600k?
00:36:49
Speaker
He's the second best player in the AFL behind Luke Bevy's uniac. He's an absolute weapon. I love, I love Taran Thomas. 600k is a lot to pay for him though, potentially as he's prone to pumping out sort of those seventies and eighties. This was really the first game where he's pumped out a solid four quarter effort and he normally sort of plays two or three quarters and then has a quiet one. So if he's able to turn it around, I love it as a pick and I think that's very, very cheap.
00:37:17
Speaker
He's got the role, he's getting the CBAs, however I would just caution that he doesn't necessarily have the same four quarter effort that you'd see from a lot of other players.
00:37:27
Speaker
It's a fair enough call. And we won't even talk to the owner because we know he's going to be all about it. You wouldn't, in all honesty though, if you were a non-owner at 600K, you wouldn't be about Taran Thomas now, would you, Desi? You've kind of, you would have, think you would have missed this, this ceiling game and this would be a bit of score chasing. Yeah, I think so. I think you probably missed the boat now. So I think I brought him in for reference at about 500K, maybe a bit of 500K.
00:37:50
Speaker
So there's much less risk there because it's a lot easier for him to outperform that price. But he's another one actually similar to Cog's. Put him in the back pocket for next year because I think he probably will keep forward status and the rate at which he's developed in the second half of the year, we could see something pretty special from him next year.
00:38:06
Speaker
I think literally my entire team in 2022 is going to be basically that super draft ready for their fourth year kind of explosions. It's just going to be incredibly packed full of those guys. You might just start the whole draft class. You might as well. Sam Orsh is going to average 140 next year, I reckon.
00:38:24
Speaker
He's looking absolute. Well, he was actually stiff not to get mine nailed it. I went fair and he's 109 over in Walsh's 150 but yeah, that was that was an outstanding display from Walsh. Rowan Marshall, we'll talk about now $584,000, 82 average, 122 last week.
00:38:44
Speaker
90-70s last three. He's coming back into form. He's got a very low break even. Not that that matters at this time of year but at 584k you're not far off that dusty sort of sideways almost trade to go to a Rowan Marshall. Any interest there DC?
00:39:03
Speaker
Partially, the thing that worries me with Marshall is that he's still sharing the ruck time with Ryder, so he's going to obviously spend good stints in the ruck, but he's also playing as a key forward for large chunks of games. And as we know in fantasy, key forwards are always a bit dicey, so yes, he's probably going to give you these 120 scores every now and then, but I also think he's probably likely to give you the odd 50 and 60, which at this time of the year, you don't want to be
00:39:28
Speaker
dealing with that when everyone else has got full teams of premiums. So another one, just keep them in the back pocket for next year or the year after when Ryder retires.
00:39:39
Speaker
Yeah, he's increased that time on ground now to 77 was his previous game. He's only been in the 60s and very low 70s in his previous games before that. There is some temptation to go there, but I tend to agree with you. Nathan, it looked like you wanted to speak though. You look like you were keen to jump in on the Roma. Have you got some interest there, mate?
00:39:59
Speaker
I'm pretty keen on him, to be honest. It's that time on ground for me that you mentioned, and it's been steadily going up. And he was taking marks around the ground, which I know he always plays well against Port Adelaide for some reason. But he was taking marks around the ground and beating lice at one-on-one, which I found was really, really interesting. And he was getting a lot of those contested marks. And that, for me, means I think he can probably push that 90, 80 to 90, which is, if that's all you can get to, is a sideways from dusty. If you've got two bullets,
00:40:28
Speaker
I really don't mind sideways and dusty to Marshall. Yeah, he's not a terrible pick, I don't think by any means. I still think he's probably under price. I just think if you do bring him in, you've got to be prepared that he'll probably drop a 60 at some point over the next month.
00:40:43
Speaker
Shea Bolton at 584k, same price if I've got that correct as the Romar, only got a one point average bump over Royal Marshall despite Romar's injuries this season but he has shown a nice ceiling in the Tigers mid field when he does get those minutes in there and 76 in his last three, he's gone down and he is cheap, dusty out of the side, any interest Nathan?
00:41:09
Speaker
Yeah, with Dusty out, he's interesting to me, but I probably wait one week on him. That's what I'm looking for with Shay Bolton at the moment. There's a lot of these players that we have enough forward lines now that aren't that pure midfield. They're the midfield forward split, unfortunately. And I don't know if I could add another one to my team that could potentially, if he plays forward or game, pump out a 40 or a 50. So I'm going to wait one game. He's up against Geelong this week, so it's a pretty tough matchup.
00:41:36
Speaker
but after that it goes 3-0 North, GWS and Hawthorne. So if you can score or ride against Geelong, I'm happy to jump on for the ride home. Yeah, and that Geelong matchup as well would be scaring me away from picking them up as well. That's definitely a good point. DC, this is our final in the Delish Dozen and it's another West Coast man. You'll be very happy about this. I'm getting to take this one on board. Tim Kelly, $583,000.
Future Prospects for the 2022 AFL Season
00:42:02
Speaker
There was a bit of a
00:42:03
Speaker
A fake injury cloud, you might want to say, but he certainly was clutching at that knee at training. We saw some of the footage, so it wasn't necessarily a bad reporting there. It was just, he obviously came up from that little niggle, managed to get 94, averaging 89 for the season, certainly down on what he can produce, 99 in his last three and a 59 break even. He's dirt cheap and is he a nice little option if you do have that DPP ability for the Dusty, they're exactly the same price.
00:42:32
Speaker
First of all, I just want to check, you're asking me this question and not Warney this time? Yeah, on the spaces. You certainly got confused there. About a hundred people will get that joke and everyone else is going to be like, what the hell are you talking about? I basically stole a joke from, stole a question from Warney unintentionally, but which is not what you want to do in the fantasy community. Tim Kelly though, yeah, I do still like him at that price. I think he's probably going to be that sort of 95 guy.
00:42:58
Speaker
from now to the end of the season. I think Yo and Shui in the side actually help him. I think it frees him up a bit more. So yeah, I don't think there's too much of a worry there other than maybe that slight possibility of the injury, but he seemed fine again on the weekend. So I don't have too many concerns.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah, although Shui did go down at the end of that game. I don't know if there's, is there any more news on regarding that? I think it was a calf awareness. Okay. Whatever that means. Probably just icing him up, giving the sub a couple of minutes game time and really he's probably all good. Hopefully that is the case with Shui.
00:43:31
Speaker
We had a couple of questions here just on extra, people trying to get in a couple of extra players that missed out on the delish dozen, but they're both for options for 2022. And one was from your AFL fantasy factory mate, Urban. Now he's talking about out of contract Jacob Hopper for 2022. Can he take the next step at JWS or does he need to move clubs?
00:43:53
Speaker
Who wants to answer that? You're probably going to have a big chat about that on your next podcast that you're recording. Basically straight after this. Thanks guys for doing this too. It's going to be a marathon podcast session for you. But Nathan, what do you think on Hopper? Sounds good. Well, we'll make sure that DC and I change opinions for our podcast. You can see some too fresh bits of fresh content.
00:44:15
Speaker
Jack above is such a tease. He pumps out these big 120s, 130s, and then can just turn around and not play any midfield or get no touches in a game. I love him in draft. I've got him in a couple of keepers, but I just don't think he can go there in classic with the absolute up and down nature of himself. As Stata would say, he's like a yo-yo.
00:44:34
Speaker
He's a very inside player, so he's one of those guys that you would love to see him get a lot more marks in his game because he relies a lot on tackles and probably getting that 25-30 disposals because a lot of them are going to be handballs as well. Guys can change though as we saw this year with Ollie Wines, very similar player I think and Hopper's probably a couple of years younger than him I think.
00:44:58
Speaker
If he can develop a bit more of that outside game and the spread from stoppage, he could be a fantasy gun in the next few years as well, but just doesn't quite look at that point yet.
00:45:07
Speaker
Yeah, and I think, I reckon I heard it on the pre-season Merera's podcast. Maybe Xavier Ellis saying a similar thing, maybe comparing him to that sort of Ollie Wines player that has the potential to break out in a couple of years. And it's probably a great point. Some of these players just take a little bit of time to develop that uncontested side of the game if they're such a contested beast and so used to the contest. Actually going and getting some cheap pill actually takes a little bit of time to learn those patterns and get out of the contest. So yeah.
00:45:34
Speaker
potentially 2022, especially if Kelly's out of the picture there, Urban. Now, next one's from David Potter. He wants to know about Schonberg, who's been showing some form and he wants to talk about mostly next year. Usually we're not allowed to talk about players that K's of the caper league pod is keen on because we just don't like giving him any props. But Schonberg, you got any interest for next year there? No, I've actually, even though I didn't think he was going to break out this year, I certainly saw some signs in his rookie year that
00:46:04
Speaker
I can see where kind of those Clayton Oliver-ish comparisons came from. He had that little bit of puppy fat coming into his first year, looked like he could maybe do a bit of damage around the ball if he sort of got that fitness behind him. Looks like the fitness base has improved and at this tail end of the year getting a bit more midfield time. It does look promising for next year.
00:46:22
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's definitely someone to keep an eye on over the last five, six rounds of this year. Um, keeping in mind, he did play the witches hats in the Eagles last week. So, you know, if he comes up against a team still, which is that's, uh,
00:46:38
Speaker
And I think that if you look, if you lose to North, you know, which is how it's for the rest of the year. But yeah, if you can pump out some more good scores of 90 plus for the rest of the year, then I absolutely love them next for a pick next year. But if this may very well be a one and done, to be honest.
00:46:56
Speaker
He's averaged 65 so far this year, so let's say he finishes the season, that average is going to be priced somewhere between 450 and 500k I think for next year, which will be kind of awkward, but you could very easily see him going 80 if he does take on a full-time mid-field brawl as well. That would be worse than Tom Phillips.
00:47:16
Speaker
True. Yeah, who, ironically, as soon as we all trade out, is starting to have his little bounce back. As always does seem to happen. All right, lads, we're going to get into some questions. And we'll get into some questions from Twitter now and you can find us at Pod Pod AFL. Again, you can find these guys at, Nath? Over Mullet.
00:47:46
Speaker
And DC? At DC Caterpillars. Perfect. And of course you can also catch these guys on AFL Fantasy Factory on all the different podcast platforms as well as the YouTube where you can see their beautiful mugs as well. So check them out on all those.
00:48:01
Speaker
Yeah, especially handsome, Nathan. You can check him out on all those platforms. So make sure you go give these guys a listen. They've done us a massive favor tonight coming on. And also, yeah, I didn't really touch on at the top of the show. So Louis just had a little bit of a workplace kind of injury. So that's why he's out. So we do wish Louis all the best in his recovery. He's let me know he's all good. He's thinking about bringing in Cam Guthrie. So he was actually going to put his hand up and do the pod tonight. I'm like, mate, just have a rest. Just chill out and get better soon.
00:48:31
Speaker
You can't get his workers caught. He's on the pod. Yeah. All right. So we get through these questions here. And the first one comes from Tyson. With the Mills and Kelly injuries going to Hearn and Zorko? Or are there better options than Hearn like Lloyd or Salem? Nate, do you want to kick us off?
00:48:51
Speaker
I think I prefer Lloyd, um, to both of those players. I think it was, as DC mentioned, it's the age for me that just how it could go down at any moment. And given the amount of bullets that we're having this season, you don't want to know. You don't want a pod bullet. The other interesting thing with her as well is that he's meant to be playing his 300th, I think in two weeks, but it's looking like it's going to be the MCG. So I actually wonder whether he's half a chance to be rested so that he can get his 300th in WA.
00:49:21
Speaker
Just, just a thought. It's an interesting take. Christian, I have Mills, Martin, Kelly and Dunkley. Should I quit now? Wait a minute. Is Dunkley done too? I did see the injury little thing on him. Dunkley has got COVID, is out for COVID regulation. So he's out next week. No! The Dossy curse lives!
00:49:40
Speaker
Well, that gives me an extra bullet. Um, thanks guys. Thanks for letting me know that at the time now I've got another bullet to deal with. Did you hold him that whole time? No, no, I brought him in last week A top-priced uncle who never bring in players at the top prices So what I should have brought in Chrissie, but Jess in the end that oh my god. All right, take the 40 and run Yeah, you should quit Christian. That's uh, that's that ninja spoon Josh Kelly and dusty
00:50:06
Speaker
Is it better to go Uber premium and a cheaper option or spread the cash over both trades? I reckon we've had this sort of situation for a few weeks, but interested in your perspective, Desai. I think those two guys are probably worth enough that you should be able to get two pretty good ends there. You don't want to bring in a rookie and an Uber, Uber premium for those guys. I actually did the opposite last week, but I had Markov who's about a hundred K cheaper, I think than Dusty.
00:50:35
Speaker
which made it quite hard to get to anyone worthwhile. But Dusty, I think he's still around 600k, isn't he? So you should be able to get someone okay with that sort of cash and then Kelly's bid under 800. So you should be able to get two decent players with that money. I don't mind going in that situation to say a Guthrie and a Royal Marshall. I think those are two sort of good value players. I think that's what's most important is making sure the two players you pick are both value ones.
00:51:02
Speaker
Well, this one from Dan Kelly and Dusty both forwards to Marshall. Is that a no brainer and is it too late for to go? Or should we chase some cash with the unique like the guy we talked about before a Bolton or a Jack Graham with no dusty and bank more cash. Hashtag to pod or not to pod.
00:51:19
Speaker
I think the goalie is almost a must-have. I brought him in this week and I'm very happy. He looks like he's almost a guaranteed top six forward. Most impressively though, he's just getting marks around the ground. I think he's averaging eight or nine marks a game in the last five weeks. So with that guaranteed points coming from his team and the team were looking for him as well. So he's in some impressive form going on. He's got a break even of 49. He's still under 700k.
00:51:47
Speaker
We're losing forwards left, right and center. Get on to going.
00:51:52
Speaker
Here's the other option I was gonna bring in instead of Dunkley last week and bank myself some cash Literally that moment in the podcast is like when when Ralph got told by Lisa on the Simpsons the the moment you could see my heartbreak You just got the pause moment. Oh man, it's shocking stuff Okay, our next question from funk downgrade Houston to get cash and then play sharp or bramble via a loophole because Houston has been disgusting and
00:52:20
Speaker
His other trade is dusty to Oliver thoughts on that one day say oh That's a hard one cuz I agree Houston's been well under expectations
00:52:32
Speaker
It's coming with this week, isn't it? Yeah, this has Liam Duggan written all over it, I think. If you trade him out this week, he'll pump you that 120 or 148. So, no, I'd still be holding him. I don't think you'd want to break on a rookie for someone like that. I still think he could very easily average 90 over the next five games.
00:52:53
Speaker
If you have a group of friends and you all have Houston, ask one of them to trade him out. Because all it needs is one person to sacrifice themselves and trade out Houston and then he'll pump out the 120 for the rest of you.
00:53:07
Speaker
I might as well do it. I might as well take the bullet for the people because my team's absolutely stuffed. Dale Travers, Dusty and Kelly, if out, for A, Tim Kelly and Locky Hunter, B, Rowan Marshall and Cam Guthrie, or C, a better option if he's missed it. We'll get both your opinions on this one. A, B, or C, Nathan?
00:53:29
Speaker
I don't think Locky Hunter necessarily is a top six forward going forward. So in that case, I'd go, I think it was Marshall and go three.
00:53:40
Speaker
Yeah, probably similar. I'm not as big a fan of Marshall as Nathan's, but Guthrie, I think is the best pick there out of the lot. And Hunter might be a top six for, but I also think he's not going to hurt you if you don't have him. And a lot of the top sides do have him. So if you're looking to make up ground, go with something like Guthrie. My perspective is don't try to trade in players that their owners last week were trying to trade out.
00:54:04
Speaker
So if Houston pumps out a 90 this week, people got a show bringing Houston. If people are looking to trade out these players the week before, nothing's much changed. He didn't pump out a 200. He pumped out a 97. Hunter did. So he's not a must-have by any means.
00:54:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's a very, it's a very, very good point. I think, um, looking at those players, chat score chasing, especially if it's matchup based like the Houston one, we probably are expecting a bounce back against Collingwood. If it doesn't happen, then, uh, we know that's a foul pick and we can probably ditch him next week. Regardless. Um, Matthew Kelly to to go, he dusty to Feoreni because of, um, the Brandon Ellis injury, or do you like gaff over Feoreni? That's a, that's a tough one there. They say, what do you got? What do you got for us?
00:54:50
Speaker
I might actually be Feoreni, I think. Oh yeah. I did forget about the Ellis injury. It hurts me to say. Because Ellis, or the Weller factor, he'll just probably, if he's right from his concussion, he'll just replace Ellis, but that doesn't remove Feoreni from the team. So we might be safe here.
00:55:08
Speaker
Yeah, I just think he's got a more well-rounded fantasy game than Gaff. Gaff's been obviously a fantastic fantasy player, particularly over the last three years or so, but he does rely a lot on getting a lot of cheap marks. So, whereas Fearony tends to get the ball in a few different ways. So yeah, take the pun on Fearony. Gaff wasn't the game winner a few weeks ago. Fearony was. Gaff the one who's going to win you the game.
00:55:34
Speaker
I love that. There's a few people jumping on him this week and not just listeners of the pod pods. I'm loving the fair or any questions. Hopefully you guys get some on the factory. If not, I might have to tweet in and get your opinion on that one. Troy Tobin, questions for Nate after Duncan 8, hashtag Duncan 8. This was six weeks ago.
00:55:54
Speaker
He wants to know how do you sleep at night after terrible trade decisions? For example, plans all last week was dusty to Lloyd through FOMO traded Hunter to fund Neil last minute. We'll be sitting pretty in the top 100 now hanging on by a thread and have caused unnecessary issues. So how do you sleep at night after terrible trade decisions, Nate?
00:56:17
Speaker
Oh, that's rough. I think the way that you do it is just justify to yourself that it was the right trade at the current moment in time. So for me, obviously, Mitch Duncan was just an awful piece of bad luck, but it was the right call to go player at that price. If I just go on Ollie Wayans instead, I'd be top 10. But I think you just got to justify yourself that bringing in Locky Neil is never the wrong move.
00:56:40
Speaker
And Lloyd was up against, was playing at Mars. And up until some very, very late junk, he was also looking quite poor. So I think that that's the only thing you can do is try to justify to yourself that it wasn't your fault. It's not you, it was them.
00:56:58
Speaker
Fair enough, it's not you, it's me. Okay, that's the tip from Nathan. We've got Mitchell Stevens. He just did a gif towards you. I don't know if that means anything to you. It's just Seth Rogen, naked, holding himself, looking at you and batting his eyes. So I hope that means something to you guys. Mitch does many things and many of them do not make sense.
00:57:18
Speaker
Okay. Well, I think you guys are going to give us some questions now from your fades. Who wants to start us off? They save you. Do you get a couple of replies to your little rate weight there that we can continue with some questions here? Uh, I will just bring it up because I'm prepared. I'm like they say, uh, Marshall or Kelly. So Tim Kelly or role Marshall, same price. Who's better to bring in? I'll throw that to you.
00:57:46
Speaker
Oh, I'll go. I think I'd go with Tim Kelly there just for the just for those injury factors and
00:57:54
Speaker
I guess like DC was saying, even though Roma can have that ceiling game, he does have the dual rucks set up. So I guess there is some risk there, even though his scoring has been there as a ruck forward. I still rate just that pure midfielder and Tim Kelly for me, they've got still a pretty nice run on the way home. And both of them have injury issues, but I'm probably settling for Tim Kelly because he
00:58:24
Speaker
Even though he didn't score as much as Romar this week, I'd still probably back him into the end of the season and they're both cheap dirt cheap. But they say you. Sorry, I completely missed that question. Tim Kelly for me. Yeah, pretty constantly. Yeah. I brought him in a couple of weeks ago. Very, very happy with him. I think.
00:58:46
Speaker
unless there's a midfielder that you've got your eye on that you won't be able to get because you completely mess it up with Tim Kelly. So, if there's an Oliver or a Guthrie that you desperately want the week afterwards and can't do it if you're getting Tim Kelly, jump on Tim Kelly now. DC, you're ready. I'm ready. I have one question. Yes, let's get to it. From Cristiano, he said, one gets traded this week and one stays. Do you move on Haynes or a potentially injured Josh Kelly?
00:59:17
Speaker
Is Haynes that bad that you would move him on before an injured player, Nathan? I've contemplated it a couple of times, to be honest. I'm hoping I can do some loopings that if Bianco scores well in the Friday night game, then I can put Haynes on the bench. But it depends on Josh Kelly. I think if Josh Kelly's out for one week, you can definitely trade Haynes instead and play a rookie. But if Josh Kelly's out for more than that, I think you need to trade Kelly.
00:59:46
Speaker
Look, I didn't see the injury myself, but I had a few messages from the guys in their Pod Pod messenger chat and they were Tom Browning me saying it's a Cindy. So they reckon it's, they already called the Cindy's Moses. It sounds like it's not as serious as that. So I was, I was devastated upon hearing the injury. So you're saying there's potential that I actually don't have as many bullets if Kelly does get up. Gee, that's,
01:00:13
Speaker
That's promising signs. It could be Kelly and Darcy both getting up again. Imagine that. Yeah. Unbelievable. If Darcy gets through, that's actually insane. If Darcy gets through for me for the second time, I'll start with him next year. I can't deny that absolute loyalty that he has to my team. Josh Dunkley's now out for 14 days.
01:00:40
Speaker
As I've also had for 14 days, it's not much fun. So hopefully, Dunkley has something to do. You need to start releasing these recordings on YouTube as well, Doc, so people can see the absolute pain in your face right now talking about Josh Dunkley. One week in, one week out. That's the worst type of trade. That is right. Very right. A bit of fun. At least they've got lots of money to work with, though, at least. All right, lads, well, I might just quickly...
01:01:06
Speaker
Okay. Who goes first out of Cumming, Houston, or this is favourite, Newman. Is it Cumming? Yeah, Cumming or Houston for me.
01:01:19
Speaker
I think I'll just keep Houston for that one more week. I'm worried about trading him against Collingwood. I genuinely think he'll, if he's ever going to bounce back, it's got to be this week. I'd probably tend to go coming and Newman with Carlton still have a pretty nice schedule coming up.
01:01:38
Speaker
That's where I'm leaning as the as the host answering answering my celebrity one question now for the potters I usually do try to throw most to Louie. Um, there's a few downgrade options this week I won't even play the theme for show me the money this week, but Connor West is he just the main one at 202 K? He looked amazing for our mighty Wiggles. We'll hand it to the non-biased man in Nath to give us the Connor West review.
01:02:00
Speaker
Yeah look, it was great pumped out of 76, nothing more you could want from a rookie and particularly when we're looking for great bench cover, it's worth paying up the extra 32K to get him, so I like Connor West. Yeah, in a week where a lot of people are probably doing
01:02:16
Speaker
you know, double premium kind of trades. It's probably, there's probably not a heap of use, but people that are in that luxury position and managed to avoid bullets. Is there any point going to these three guys that are kind of maybe pricing themselves out of where you'd usually want to play for a rookie, but Ned Reeves looked pretty good against Gorn. I'll go to you DC just a year. No, would you go there at 290 K for Reeves? If you, if you just have that luxury to not have to trade a couple of premiums to a couple of premiums.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, probably not Reeves me. I think there's a few of the other rookies that I've been chasing. And 290k is getting up there as well. And what about is it too late, Nathan, a locky bramble or a Jeremy Sharpe now in the mid to high 300s, but both with negative breakevens? I mean, Sharpe after 120 against the dogs too. Could you go there still?
01:03:06
Speaker
You'd be, I think you could, if you've got like five rookies on field and you're just absolutely getting 40s on field and you can't afford anyone else, don't mind Sharp, but I think for the majority of people listening, Bramble and Sharp have priced themselves out now. Unfortunately, you missed them, but good news is there's only five rounds left and most people won't be able to use the cash that they generate anyway.
01:03:28
Speaker
All right. I won't hold you guys any longer. I know you've got another marathon marathon podcast to get through here with your AFL fantasy factory friends over there. And you are, as you said before, the show pre-show, you are half the pod. So you better, you better go and get that done over there, lads. But thanks very much for coming on DC Caterpillars on the twits and, uh, open mullet on the Twitter for Nathan over Mueller. Uh, what's, what's the story there, mate? You just want the Bailey Smith mullet on your profile.
01:03:57
Speaker
Just someone compared me to a fish and they called me Nova mullet. And I thought, well, I'll own it and I'll just go with that. I love it. All right. On that note. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Appreciate it very much. And we'll see you next week. Pod Pod fam.