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TwistedTales Edition of Smelly Willy Pickton
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In this episode, Lisa is telling us the story of Canada’s worst serial killer Robert “Willy” Pickton. Yes, I know, we’ve all heard different podcasts on this abomination, however, we wanted to give our spin on it, in only the way our opinions can give! So, join us for a quick run-down of the horrendous childhood that created a demon walking among us, preying on the lives that society overlooks.
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Transcript
Introduction and Serial Killer Capture
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, good day to you. Thanks for listening. Twisted Tales. This is Faith. It's Lisa. And we're here. Sweating. It's so fracking hot. It's hot. It's hot. I have no banter. I have no witty stories. Actually, I got something for you. So last week.
00:00:24
Speaker
Mm hmm. My coworker, because they all know that I do this podcast. Of course. And my coworker was like, hey, have you heard what went down in Long Island? Yeah. And I was like, no, I hadn't heard anything yet. Yeah. Have you heard what went down in Long Island? Obviously not. They captured a serial killer. No, recently. Recently. Yeah. Like I'm very. July, like mid July or something like that. And apparently he's he's killed quite a few women. He's only being charged with the death of like
00:00:54
Speaker
Maybe three. I am not going to quote facts on this because I'm not 100 percent. I'm not. I don't know. I don't look into it. You need to
Willie Pickton's Early Life
00:01:01
Speaker
do. Apparently, he was an architect. Huh? Like, you know, I mean, he does still kind of look like he's just a little bit, you know, looks like a type. Yeah. But where did you know? My friends told me I work that part. I don't care about Island. There we go. We get to the north. Oh, yeah. I did. Did you hear that Leslie Van Hooten
00:01:22
Speaker
Which, if you don't know who that is, she was part of the Charles Manson crew that she was released from prison. Oh, really? I did not know that. On July 12th. No, I did not know that. Yep, this year. What is she, like 107? I don't know. She's not old enough. Yeah. So anyway. All right. Well, Lisa's turn to regale us with her, her tail. My tail. So I am going to talk tonight about somebody you may or may not have already heard of.
00:01:50
Speaker
Why not? But the story is it's definitely one for the books, for sure. So his name is Robert Willie Pickton. Oh, name ring a bell. You can't get picked in in one episode, bro. Oh, I will. There's no way. Well, it depends on how much you decide to talk. I could talk for about a week straight on pick. Oh, we totally could. He's a disgusting, horrible individual. Yeah. Well, Mr. Mr. Willie boy.
00:02:19
Speaker
was born October 24th in 1949. His parents owned a pig farm near Vancouver.
00:02:26
Speaker
Yeah. So at the farm, they did slaughter animals, sold the meat and all that kind of good stuff. And Robert and his brother helped tend to the farm while pretty much their sister just stayed with another family. But didn't they like pull him out of school or make him stay up like insanely late and all this stuff? There's no way you're going to be able to do this back story. Unless you pull me in like two hours.
00:02:52
Speaker
No. I'm not going to deep dive into it. We can we can talk about some points. I'm really just going to I'm hitting the high notes right now. Disgusting. Smelly Willy. Their mother was like a slave driver.
00:03:05
Speaker
and the pigs came first and she didn't care too much about the kids you know she loved her kids right but she okay i have heard his backstory she did not you cannot convince me that she loved her children oh i was just trying to pretend like she was great she she's no she was an awful individual did not justify what he turned into but yes not even a woman so
00:03:24
Speaker
According to some of the podcasts that I listened to and confirmed actually by one of the documentaries that I've watched, the boys didn't care much for hygiene. Their mom didn't care either. And they literally smelled
Challenges and Behavioral Changes
00:03:36
Speaker
like a farm all the time. And they were teased relentlessly at school for smelling so terrible. Yeah. When you don't bathe and you work with pigs, there's an aroma. It's not going to be great. There is a strong aroma. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:49
Speaker
You know, I'm not going to sit here and say like, you know, I don't know how you can teach yourself. Kids shouldn't bully you because you smell bad or whatever. You're like, truth be told, like kids can't control their own circumstances. No, but he could. I was just going to say at a certain age, jump in a creek. You know better. You know what I mean? I think I don't know. I'm just saying I don't see how you lay down at night with yourself smelling like that and not just bomb. I mean, honestly, if you're around that smell day in and it's like people that work the morgue, you're you're you smell like that day in and day out.
00:04:19
Speaker
They he probably didn't notice that he stunk so bad. Well, he's a disgusting individual. So the outside smelled like the inside look. And well, I'm going to go probably. Yeah. So at about age 11, Mr. Willie saved up some money, bought himself a calf. All right. Loved this calf. Yeah. It was the greatest thing of his life. He'd come home every day from school day in, day out, feed him same routine, hang out with it, talk to it, whatever, whatever made him happy. All right.
00:04:47
Speaker
That's sad that that was his only friend. He loves the calf. Again, you know, kid, it's kid. Yeah. And when, you know, you get into that point, you're depressed. Nobody loves you. Nobody cares about you. You buy yourself a friend. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Kelly buys a friend. That's why you've got dogs. Well, I bought one offline. She's I'm just kidding. Right. According to her boyfriend. The best part is I'm going to pause the story right now. Yeah. So that horrible episode I was telling you that I had to re listen to and edit. Yeah.
00:05:17
Speaker
because I just couldn't bring myself to edit it. The whole first part of that episode is the day after you guys went on your blind date. And so we're talking about the whole first part of the episode about like everybody's kids. I told her not to let you wear her like a skin suit, pleasurably or unpleasurably either way, but we're talking about this. And I said, if they make it long-term, I'm gonna tell him what episode it is. It was last night's episode or it was the episode I posted last week.
00:05:45
Speaker
You're so much trouble. I am not in any trouble. We had just met. I could do what I want. You can blame me because she was going to go to the wrong restaurant and I led her your way. You could be a free man right now. Wasn't a restaurant. Oh, is it not? I don't remember. Yeah, we just went on and on about it. It's the first time I met. Yeah, it was great. Anyway, I did you anyway. So he's got he's got his new best friend, Kath Smelly Willie.
00:06:12
Speaker
And, um, oh man, I lost my train of thought. Wow. All right. So, shut up, Faith. And I can't even get rid of her. Like, she is married into this. Go Frankie. Dumbass. Anyways. So one day, Willie came home from school, went directly to his calf like he did the day before and the day before that. I guess they had hamburgers for dinner.
00:06:39
Speaker
He searched everywhere, couldn't find his pet. Mom was like, yeah, man, go check the barn. So he did. Swung open the barn doors, found his calf hanging upside down,
Arrest and Gruesome Discoveries
00:06:48
Speaker
slaughtered. There was nothing but the carcass left. He was completely hollowed out. So here's this 11 year old boy with the only thing that he has. That's insane. Like, I'm sorry, but that's that's f'd up in a major, major way. That's very traumatizing. I couldn't imagine that. No, I grew up with my dentist that I had like not growing up here when we first moved to Tennessee.
00:07:09
Speaker
who was very painful dentist. I hate him. No, he's a great guy. But they they grew beef cattle and they raised it and sold it for slaughter. Yeah. And my dad used to always get cattle from them. Well, they had a daughter who's my age and she would help hand raise these cats. Obviously, rule number one is don't fall in love with. Obviously, she was a vegetarian, but it like destroyed her every time they sell a calf.
00:07:34
Speaker
Well, I mean, isn't it? It was pretty normal. She knew and it destroyed her. He didn't buy this for food. So I'm sure after that incident, he was going to be OK. Oh, he was going to be fine. Yeah.
00:07:50
Speaker
So his favorite pet in the world just got murdered by his mother, by his mother. Uh, some podcasts that I had listened to actually said that he wound up having to eat parts of his calf for dinner one night. So not only did he have to see that, but he had to consume his favorite pet. So that's super light. I think I'd have gone on a hunger strike.
00:08:12
Speaker
I you know, based on the way that they all grew up, I don't know that that would have been the best answer either. I mean, he could have been knifed himself. Who knows? I don't I don't know. So just the here's my thing. Like just the cruelty of saying, yeah, go check the barn.
00:08:28
Speaker
Yeah, knowing what was in there. Yeah, you just slaughtered it. You packaged it to me and put it in the freezer. Why not just say I held your cash water like there was no need to send the child, which, yes, again, horrible, horrible person. But as a child, he would just just make something up. Yeah, he missed it. We are. We were so short on money. Yeah, I had to do something to pull something out of your record. And yeah, check the barn like that is morbid.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah, and he was twisted. He was not a monster at that point. He was an innocent child. So anyway, continue. So around 14 years old, Willie dropped out of school because he was just doing worse and worse, right? He wound up getting a job as an apprentice for a butcher. And apparently he was a damn good butcher.
00:09:17
Speaker
So I've heard. So I'm I'm going to tell you this part only to just kind of push that Willie's mom was deranged. Oh, yeah. So David, his brother, Willie's brother.
00:09:32
Speaker
Got his license, went for a joy ride, accidentally hit some kid on the side of the road, panicked, left, went to his mom's like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I hit this kid. She's like, go get the truck fixed. I'll take care of the rest. Yeah. Okay. The mom found
Trial and Community Impact
00:09:47
Speaker
the kid on the side of the road, still alive, pushed him off into a ditch that was filled with water. The kid drowned. Yeah.
00:09:53
Speaker
What? Yeah. What? She's a monster. Yeah. You know who she reminds me of in my head? Like what I feel like she looks like, even though I'm sure it's not true. The original, not the new version, but the original Matilda principle transfer. That is. It's terrible. That is who I imagine her to look like when I imagine her in every context.
00:10:17
Speaker
I feel like she would look more like Yzma from. No, I think she's a big stocky woman with a unibrow, bad teeth, slicked back hair. Anyway, who knows? Anyways, at around twenty one, Willie left the butcher shop and went to work at the farm full time. He would butcher the meat, bring all the carcasses to an animal waste disposal facility. And it wasn't long before he found a place called Low Track. Low Track was the worst
00:10:46
Speaker
area in Canada, actually one of the people that I watched on a documentary said it wasn't just the worst in Canada, but like the worst in North America. Like this place was just for the out trodden down drug dealers, prostitutes, people who just had nothing left. Yeah. Okay. So he comes to find this place.
00:11:10
Speaker
And oh, my gosh, Willie began spending a ton of money on prostitutes. OK, so it's not like someone's going to willingly get in bed with Piggy Willie. Yeah, Willie Piggy. He was a little unfortunate looking because I'm sure he's still not baby and he's an adulthood and about to become a monster. So I don't feel bad about making fun of him. No, no. He very much reminds me of like a like a West Virginia type, if you know what I mean.
00:11:36
Speaker
like, um, um, wrong turn. Yeah. Um,
Nature vs. Nurture Debate
00:11:43
Speaker
anyways, he was dropping all kinds of cash on all these prostitutes and, uh, so much so that these girls would come back to low track and brag.
00:11:55
Speaker
about how great of a guy he was, how nice he was. And he wound up finding this pub that he frequented where the men would basically hang out with him and treat him as an equal. Women would throw themselves only one there with money. Yeah. So he's you know, the women were like throwing themselves at him, you know, want sexual favors to him, whatever.
00:12:17
Speaker
And for once in his life, he pretty much felt normal, almost powerful, right? Like he had no friends when he was growing up. Yeah, I was gonna say, this is like the most accepted he's ever been. Yeah. And it made him feel good. It's sad, but he's a monster, so.
00:12:32
Speaker
I'm having conflicting emotions. It sucks either way because you know what he's gonna grow up to turn into. It'd be better if I didn't know like how he ended then I could feel sad for him right now but I don't like on the one hand I want to say these people are using him while the other hand I'm gonna say they should use him for everything he has and leave him dead in a ditch. Yeah and like mental state wise like he honestly when I was doing Mark it didn't seem like the brightest bulb. More ambiance.
00:12:57
Speaker
You know, and so I'm just kind of saying to myself, like, did even know that these people were taking it because a lot of people kind of know, like, I got money. They're using me. Right. I don't. I don't. I don't know that that registered in his head. Yeah. People are actually talking to him and not putting their shirts over their nose to do so. Yeah. Yeah. So he started visiting low track more and more. Yeah. Yeah. With each girl he picked up, he became less and less of a gentleman. Right.
00:13:24
Speaker
He would, they were still getting paid, still, you know, everything was honky donky, but there were times where he would turn violent for no reason. I'm sure he has a pent up aggression. Oh, I'm sure. And then I just kind of feel like in a basic, basic world.
00:13:39
Speaker
If I were to be angry and then I went and slaughtered a pig, it would almost make me feel a little better. You know what I mean? Every time you slaughter an animal, you're not thinking about your poor cow. Like desensitized completely to the whole process. But I think also, like he said on the power, at first he was just glad that people liked him. But he was literally the king of low track. He was the only one with all the money. Everybody wanted to be around him. But he wasn't the king of low track. At that point in time, he had enough money to get by. More money than all those people, though.
00:14:10
Speaker
probably maybe not the people at the pub, but I understand that. Yes, completely agree. So once you start getting accepted, you start kind of your true self comes out and he was a monster. So he started showing that side of him. So 1978, Willie's father passed away. His mother got really, really sick in the same year, and he watched this once powerful woman turn into a very feeble woman. I bet that was satisfying for him.
00:14:39
Speaker
Um, actually apparently it was really heartbreaking. I would have no less of that woman. Yeah. It's like a weird, uh, what would that, what's that movie? Psycho where he like, his mom was like a freaking whack job, but he still loved her creepy weird. So she finally passed away in April. That was kind of mean to say, but she passed away in April of that year, uh, leaving the farm inheritance to her three kids, release brother and sister wanted nothing to do with the farm. So the farm was completely left to.
00:15:09
Speaker
Willie Willie. And he was taking care of it himself. Willie's brother, however, took over the main house and Willie moved into a trailer on the property. Willie would entertain guests, most of whom, you know, wanted something from him, blah, blah, blah, basically stuck around despite all of his horrible hygiene habits. So they could get what they wanted from him. Some of the females he hung out with, you know, they'd do her. They'd do favors like help him clean and all that kind of crap. But when he wanted to be physical with them,
00:15:40
Speaker
All of them pretty much just rejected him over and over. And so eventually he turned back to prostitution. And in 1980, Willie was out driving around, picked up a 14 year old prostitute, attacked her with a knife, raped her. And then when he finished, basically was just like rolled her out of the truck. OK. We're just going to go by the fact that she was a child. Yeah. OK. Freaking child. But again.
00:16:01
Speaker
You're looking at low track, right? Where you probably have homeless people from ages like, you know, infants to freaking 97 because they're all the they're out trotting people. They have no money. They have nothing.
Psychological and Legal Analysis
00:16:15
Speaker
Right. And so what what's the name of that song that Reba McIntyre does? I do not know. I can't fancy.
00:16:22
Speaker
Don't let me down. Right. They have nothing left. They send their youngest out. Go make us some money. Either way, you prostitute your child. There's a special place in hell for you. You are an utter piece of absolute like you are just the dookie that hangs on ass hair like you. You're nothing. Yeah, then you're your special place in hell. Agreed. It is called a dingleberry.
00:16:47
Speaker
It is, but dingleberry didn't sound grotesque. Yeah. Really want to describe that fecal matter. I'm just driving it home faith. All right. So after he dismissed the girl from the truck, no charges ended up being brought against him. It was considered an alleged attack.
00:17:09
Speaker
so okay it's not an alleged attack because she's 14 so it doesn't matter if he paid her and she was willing statutory it's statutory rape and i don't even care that it's in another country she's 14 i'm pretty sure that's not i i don't know what the rules are there honestly i know i don't know what the rules are anywhere anymore
00:17:30
Speaker
I know that England has tried to lower the age of consent. Shame on you. Yeah. It's never gotten passed through. And Canada is a part of them. They fall under the Queen jurisdiction. So I'm pretty sure 14 is under the age of consent still. But I don't know if this was one of those. He said she said thing where they just didn't believe her as to what was happening. But anyways, 1994.
00:17:56
Speaker
Um, the siblings sold a portion of their farm and it, uh, put $2 million in their pockets. Okay. So these two brothers, they started some social event business in 1996. They would throw these crazy parties with like hundreds of people in attendance. They're them. I know. I know.
00:18:21
Speaker
How how are you not going to bathe and you're going to be a social planner like a party? I mean, I kind of feel like we could say the same thing about like the sticks, you know, out and out in the mountains and smoky somewhere. I guess everybody hanging around a bathtub brewing up some moonshine. People around him had standards. That's why he had no friends. Yeah. I guess two million dollars. You can buy yourself a whole heck of a lot of friends. Apparently.
00:18:50
Speaker
So they started up this social event business 1996. They would throw these crazy ass parties. People would be in attend like hundreds of people in attendance, sometimes even more than a thousand. And Willie. Would bring prostitutes to these parties, take them to his trailer where some S&M kind of crap would go down. No.
00:19:15
Speaker
I mean not all two million of your dollars, and I'd still say no to smelly. Well, I'm sorry Yeah, not gonna happen. Hey, you could tape an air freshener duct tape it to my nose still know Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I would do it with my worst. I don't know not gonna happen. Yeah, I think I'd do a donkey first All right well that got out of hand anyways so I
00:19:41
Speaker
Like I said, uh, all this crazy like sex crap would happen. Uh, 1997, he picked up a prostitute named Wendy. And as they were, uh, you know, kind of doing what they were doing, he tried to handcuff her. She was like, um, not today, bro. Not, not going to happen. And she broke free. Willie got pissed and Willie grabbed a knife and chase after her. She grabbed a knife from the kitchen and they pretty much went blow for blow.
00:20:08
Speaker
Like he was stabbing her, she was cutting him, and that's pretty much just how that went down. She finally gets out of the house, and the older couple found her, took her to the hospital, and Willie was charged with assault. Unfortunately, Wendy was so freaked out about the incident, she never showed up for court, so he was released. He eventually went right back to low track and picked up a girl named Murney. She was never seen again. Yeah, because the pigs ate her body.
00:20:38
Speaker
You just wait. So between 1995, 1997, 20, 20 women vanished in low driving. In 1998, nine more girls. What kind of detectives are on this case? I mean, it doesn't take by the Kappa to figure out the sitch. You would think, right? So nine more girls went missing. Uh, no, sorry. 1998, nine more girls went missing, but it was still not investigated.
00:21:02
Speaker
Family of the girls, families of the girls. Let me guess, they all were high risk. We're basically told by police. No, they probably just left town.
00:21:13
Speaker
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Victims' Families and DNA Evidence
00:21:41
Speaker
I guess. I don't know. So finally it becomes too much for them to ignore. So in 2001, I want you to listen to the gap here. 1998, nine more girls went missing, but it wasn't investing. I'd like to say we are now in 2001. It bothers me to the deepest recesses of my being. Cause when I, every time, every time I've listened to a willy victim podcast, cause everybody talks about it. Cause he's a horrible monster. Yeah.
00:22:07
Speaker
But every time I want to imagine this happened so long ago and to my core to realize 2001, I was in high school. He was still walking the streets. Yeah. He was still, they were just now looking into it. Like I was a graduated three years later. Yep. Yeah. When this monster to my core, it disturbs me. Continue.
00:22:28
Speaker
So 2001, the police launched the missing woman's task force. Cops are posted in flyers, cash rewards, information, you know, if you give us anything, we'll give you some money. And people have naturally had all kinds of information, right? Some people actually did talk about a pig farmer and soon Willie's name was on the suspect list. He had no prior conviction. So the cops didn't do a deep dive into him. And eventually his name was dropped.
00:22:54
Speaker
Of course, why not? By the end of 2001, 64 women from Low Track were missing. On February 1st, 2002, a truck driver who did side work at Willie's Farm told the cops that he had seen an illegal weapon from at the Picton Farm. Yeah. So cops grab a warrant. They go search the property. Which was a literal pig stock. Anyways, yeah. So they go, they raid it. And one of the officers found an inhaler that belonged to a missing woman.
00:23:25
Speaker
That that's just a coincidence. Oh, yeah, I'm sure so the raid for weapons quickly turned into a raid for missing persons and They took Willie into custody proceeded to search the property and what they found was horrific They found blood soaked in a mattress blood on the floor blood on the walls blood everywhere. They found a garbage bin that had the partial remains of brain matter portions of a head and hair and
00:23:51
Speaker
And this, you know, they thought that we got him, right? This was it. But he didn't say it worked when they started to interrogate him. And much like his mother, he's literally when she murdered the kid for interrogation and torture from his mother. So pretty much didn't get did not give two craps that he had done what he did. So the police decided to put an undercover in his cell. Police continued their search. They found buckets in the freezer that were containing heads, feet,
00:24:21
Speaker
hands he confessed to his cop roommate I told you they were putting a cop undercover I may have skipped over that they decided because I'm so sorry all right so because he wasn't saying anything the cops decided to put an undercover cop in the cell with him and like make up a story do that whole nine and
00:24:41
Speaker
He confessed to this cop roommate he had that he took some of the remains that he had to the animal waste facility. Yeah, because you're just dumping buckets of yuck. So in 2004 statement, let's just backtrack for a minute.
Mental Health and Empathy
00:24:56
Speaker
When you take animal parts to it, a lot of times they're taking what they can. Yeah. Grinding it up. And there's, you know, hot dogs and baloney and makeup products.
00:25:11
Speaker
So, yeah, 2004 statement was released by the Canadian health officials that some of their pig produce was cross contaminated with human remains. Can you imagine being this person's national? Yeah, yeah. And I don't remember. I was in college at this point. Yep. And I do not remember like, hey, don't eat that. It's not kosher. But the thing is, is like with that for now, I could be remembering incorrectly. So correct me since you listened to it more recently.
00:25:40
Speaker
But like at that processing where they're putting the remains like usually you're monitored, but he was there so often They pretty much just let him have run. I mean, it's it's but it's legitimately like they come in in buckets Yeah, it's all of the waste and stuff from the farm Yeah, but usually they're there like when they but he was just there so often. They didn't even check whatever. Yeah, I Hope those cops that found all these miscellaneous body parts felt like trash for ignoring this How many people did they let die because they refused to look into the missing cases?
00:26:10
Speaker
But was it the cops fall or their commanders who said you're not doing this today? Hey, one of them could have just gone row visual anti-justice it I'm just I don't know man So in 2006 Willie's trial began. He was tried. I knew you at that point Yeah, we knew each other at this point. That's correct. Yes, we did I Expect this to be like in the 20s. Nope the bottle doesn't freakin six I
00:26:38
Speaker
So his trial began where he was to be tried for killing and dismembering 27 women. All right. 2007, Joey came to the conclusion. Some of them were in tears because they knew what was about to happen because Willie was found not guilty of first degree murder. How though? He was found guilty of six counts of second degree murder and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
00:27:03
Speaker
As of 2023, Picton is 73 and serving a life sentence. So I'm sure he was tried again at some point. But they even had like... But the total number of possible victims that they thought he had murdered was 49.
00:27:17
Speaker
But they even have eyewitness, because there's that one lady that lived in his trailer and did his housework and stuff that he slapped her on or whatever. But she went to the barn and saw that woman hanging as he was torturing that one lady. That was one of the reasons that he got off is because he had two other friends that were female at that time.
00:27:40
Speaker
They were because at one point these girls weren't gotten in the car with them. Yeah. And they were actually the ones that were there. Yes. Yeah. They were picking them up, bringing them back. They had first count knowledge that he strung up one of them and tortured him. And yet they still didn't convey. They did nothing. They didn't testify against him.
00:27:57
Speaker
I wouldn't. Would you? Probably. Number one, candidates don't have the death penalty. So at some point, he's getting out. Because they're like England. They believe in reform, I believe. He'll have to get past my dogs and my guns. But if you're those women and you can't have guns in Canada,
00:28:15
Speaker
Well, that does kind of suck. I think I'd move to the United States. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you think about it logically, you know this monster is getting out at some point, no matter what the verdict is. I'm sure they're terrified. I'm saying. I know. So I wouldn't testify against him unless I knew that, like, death penalty's on there. Or you're putting me in witness protection. I'm not testifying where he can get out and come after me. Because this guy, I'm sure, holds a grudge. I'm sure he does. So out of the 49 nameless women, right?
00:28:44
Speaker
People are never going to get closure for anything. There are some victims that he was charged with. And I, as tribute, want to say their names out loud. We do. So Serena, a Boseway, 29. Mona Lee Wilson, 26. Andrea Josberry, 22. Brenda Ann Wolf, 32. Georgina Faith Pappen,
00:29:11
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34 and Marnie Lee and Frey 24 and you know that he was responsible for 99% of those other women that were missing Like there's not a doubt in my mind. No how they did not cuz he wasn't he wasn't like This super brilliant like, you know what I mean? Like yeah, he was just you can't tell me that he was tame and
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No, you know what I mean? That he only killed these six women in that many years. She's not. No, he's a sadistic monster. And he was going to keep going because at that point he's slaughtering animals. He's slaughtering women. He did not care. And it's so recent.
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Like I know the 2006 wasn't 10 years ago. I get that it was like 20 years ago. But that's still recent. Like past 2000. I was gonna say it's even it's even recent in the idea that we have more skill in DNA and more skill in basically everything where we should like they should know. They should have been able to test those body parts to see who they belong to. Unless they just didn't have DNA from them. But they could have gotten a familiar match. I guess that kind of all depends on their family.
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true at that point in time but i mean it's he clearly had no empathy whatsoever no he was he but i mean look at the way one of those there's no way that well that's my question is empathy something that you empathy or sympathy is it nature versus nurture are you born with it or do you learn it i think it's a mix of both so do i that's what makes it difficult because like mine i've talked about before
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My aunt and uncle couldn't have kids, and so they adopted three. And the first one is severely mentally handicapped, FAS, fetal alcohol syndrome.
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The second one cute is a button little boy. But when he hit like elementary school like he changed. And then it wasn't until later that he was diagnosed with Asperger's. So which
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is you know now I'm sure Asperger's is on the spectrum but he can't like.
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You can tell him that your mom, dad, brother, sister, everybody just died. You lost your house. You can tell him the most horrific story and he can't empathize with you because that part of his brain is completely shut down. There is no empathy. He doesn't understand. But because my aunt and uncle are good people, he knows the social cues.
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So he knows while he doesn't understand that you're upset like why he doesn't understand why you're upset He'll still be like I'm so sorry. Is there anything I can do right, but he was taught that it was not it's not something if You don't emotionally feel it and it doesn't make you want to cry No, but you also know, you know that it's because you were taught that right?
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So I think it's a mix of both. You can have the worst childhood ever and have your own moral compass like frickin' Lisa McVeigh. She could have had a worst childhood.
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her grandmother pimping her out, her mom pimping her out, and she still is an amazing woman today. She had horrible nurture, absolutely no nurture, but just her natural self was amazing. I already have people like my cousin who has, his nature is to not give a flying rip. He was nurtured to show. Lisa's question, it's my dad's best friend, he's not really my uncle, but she always called him my uncle. The Corvette one.
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I'm trying not to hang out with your cousin. What are you kidding? I only have one male cousin blood related. So Lisa was confused. No, they're not technically my family, but they might as well be my family. So understood. Um, but so I, but I say that to say those are two extreme cases of one can't feel, but knows they're supposed to one can feel, but was taught not to basically, you know what I mean? So I think it's a, it's a mix of nature and nurture.
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and your own mind. Like it doesn't matter. You can go, my dad grew up with a horrible childhood. They're pretty much as bad as you can get.
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Now he only has the one emotion, he says, but he was a great dad. No, I know. So I think it's a mix of both. And I don't think you, I think that your childhood, no matter how bad it is, doesn't define what you become. Absolutely. Nor excuse your choices and your childhood no matter good it is. Because you have people who were raised amazingly and still ended up pieces of crap.
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So while yes, their parents did not help them become good people, it's not their fault that their kid's a monster. It did help, but it's not their fault because the kid could have been a decent person. They still have a mind and free will and choices. Some of them I do kind of wonder though, only based on an intelligence level. Yes, I was gonna say. That's different. I don't think he had a full set of IQ points.
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I don't either. I don't think that his elevator did not go all the way to the top. I don't believe. His elevator was broken and he was using a pulley ladder for a 600-pound man with his toothpick arms.
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I don't know ma'am well, and I could I could get this all in because I'm not gonna hit the highlights of how horrible this life is Our goal was to talk about did he get caught and who is who were his victims now? Yeah, I only named off a couple and there are so many out there that are never They're not gonna have closure. I mean, you know that they know just like we know Yeah, but it's still like you want justice and nobody got justice ones right now that are undetermined. They're missing
00:34:43
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And any parent is always going to hold out optimism until they say, no, we found her body. She could still be out there. I think that in that circumstance, it would be hard to hold on to hope knowing that he was living at that time. Yeah. When he was out, when they have to issue an announcement that our products are contaminated, like
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There's no way that you don't think. I wonder if that's my kid. If you're one of the missing. I believe it was Murney. Their relatives were like, not only is she gone, but we may have eaten her. Oh, gosh, I'd be like. Like, I felt like my stomach dropped when I heard like that statement. And I was like, I don't know, man. There's so many of these stories, Faith, that just kill me.
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And all these kids that had such horrible upbringings. And it's just like if they had just one, one positive light in their life, would it have turned out that way? It sucks to think about. It's hard to tell. Well, I really want to be super appropriate to be like, you want to go get barbecue? Oh, you kind of just did. But yeah, I could totally eat. I could. Maybe not hot dogs.
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I know, man. Very few. Mm hmm. And, uh, guys, love you mean it. But for Labor Day, no hot dogs. No. And take a bath. Bye.