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Outsider
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Introduction to Part Central and hosts
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, die in times here. Welcome to the right. For real.
Ken's remote living experience
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All right, welcome to Part Central, where we talk all things horror, movie, TVs, sometimes video games and other stuff. I'm your host, Ken Stock, and I'm with Keck all the way out in... As always. All the way out in New Jersey. I was gonna say you're in the woods, but you're actually back home right now.
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I'm still in the woods, though, like, like, the other place, like, yeah, we're in like, what Jamie calls my complex, like, that's in like, the that's in like, the deep woods, pines, our closest neighbors are two miles away. Now I'm just in the pine barrens. And like, I have a neighbor that's like,
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Maybe, I don't know, 50 feet from my house and then another 50 feet. So yeah, I got neighbors still in the woods either way.
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But you're a little more back to society right now. Slightly more. I mean, I would not call this a significant population center, but like, yeah. I mean, there's definitely more population like where I have been living. There are more deer and bobcats and predators and whatnot than there are people. Yeah. So yeah.
Recent news: Chadwick Boseman and horror releases
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Well, tonight we're going to talk about Jason Bateman and The Outsider. But first I want to go through some news of some recent releases that got announced. First of all, rest in peace, Chadwick Boseman, who just passed away this weekend at 43, I believe. I don't want to tramp on the man's grave, but who is that? He did Black Panther. He was Jackie Robinson. He was Thurgood Marshall.
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Oh, yeah, I did. I did see that. I did. I did see that. I confuse Black Panther with the movie about the Black Panthers with Boking Woodbine and stuff like that. So when people say that, I always confuse it. It was the 90s. It was a 90s movie they did about the Black Panthers. I think it was also I think it was just called Panther. Yes.
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but yeah i was just panther yeah but rest in rest in peace buddy i'm sorry you won't be available for the foreseeable future yeah um but anyway back onto the show uh so a couple announcements for the uh release dates uh the final seven episodes for supernatural uh is going to be starting to air on the cw october 8th
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Haunt in a Bly Manor is coming out on Netflix October 9th.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot challenges
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Well, I'm talking about Yeah, the stand is coming out December 17th on CBS all access again. That's what I'm talking about so and then One other announcement was the the Westworld producers are bringing Michael Crichton sphere to HBO so So we gonna get hopefully am I can't wait to get in that sphere
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yeah so this is gonna say i hope sam jackson comes back and is uh talking about giving the sphere or hopefully if it's gonna be a series maybe he got in there that sphere yeah seriously that would be him getting in the sphere uh but yes uh then the uh um i don't know if you knew this but uh freddy alvarez and uh legendary were uh
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let you know legendary pictures were rebooting Toby Cooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre again. So another Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I got I got to tell you like, well, you know my feelings on this. Yeah. But apparently I didn't even know they were doing another Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but I should have figured they were. But yesterday or not, I mean, why wouldn't they? Yeah, it's a cash grab.
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But anyway, the directors that were on it, Andy and Ryan Tohill, they left the film over creative differences a week into shooting. So the production shut down. Oh, and you know where they're shooting, Texas Chainsaw Massacre? In Bulgaria. Oh, I was going to say in the Jersey Pine Barrens. Because it looks just like fucking Texas.
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But they said they've already hired a new director and a relative newcomer, David Blue Garcia. He's from Texas and he was a Emmy award-winning cinematographer. And yeah, so they are reshooting from scratch, so they're not just
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you know, trying to build off the week that they were already shooting. And I think that's best is just start from, start from scratch. I mean, why not? Like we talk a lot about on this program, the host of young or first time directors. So like they've been very successful. So my, my opinion is just keep them coming. Yeah, exactly.
The Sinking City game pulled from stores
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Uh, then another announcement of some, uh, problems was, uh, there was a Cthulhu mythos game for, uh, you know, video game system.
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What was it for like PlayStation Xbox? I think it's for all of them. Because it was called The Sinking City and the game's been pulled off of Steam. The reasoning due to a dispute with the publisher, Nacon, formerly known as Big Ben Interactive.
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According to Frogware, the developer, they pulled the game from Steam along with its Microsoft Store and PlayStation stores due to termination of agreement with the company after Frogware alleges that Nikon breached several calls of licensing agreement for the game.
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So was it, had it been released so that people were playing it and they suddenly cut them? Yeah. It says, uh, it says, luckily for switch users, since frogwares self publishes the title, you can still get the game there. So the game's already been released and out and they, if you already have it downloaded on your system, they must've just killed the servers or something.
Fangoria magazine's revival
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Right. Must've removed it for like future purchase, future purchases. So if you already bought, never heard of that happening before.
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like a game that's already been out that like maybe hundreds of thousands to like millions of people may already own like they just made it so like now the only way you can get it is like from getting it from your boy or something like that yeah for now i mean that's a if they get the contract dispute
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Have you ever heard of that before? Like a game that's already been out and like, except for like, you know, early Nintendo, like when like they came out with like religious games and there was like an uproar and games had been discontinued to be made. Like in the last 20 years, I've not heard of anything like
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Yeah. And it wasn't like some religious groups or anything. It was just a contract dispute with the, the publishers or whatever, not between them and the development group. So I guess. Wow. I never heard of this game, but now I kind of want to play it. Yeah. It sounded, it sounded interesting. You know, I'll get it. I'll get it. I'll get it for us.
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and the last news item I had was that Fangoria magazine is gonna be back soon because they got
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they have new owners now from wonder well entertainment ceo and tragedy girls producer terra aslin and abhi i don't know how to pronounce that cool have joined forces to purchase fangoria because i don't know if you know but they had uh dropped their previous later um
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previous owners due to like a scandal of like, you know, sexual assault allegations in the research. So they were like, yeah, we're not dealing with this company anymore. And they all left. Well, I'm definitely not going to do the joke I was going to do about Debbie Rashawn. That's for sure. Yeah. She's I think she's still in and out of working with the company. I don't know. There was a bunch of podcasts, but I believe they said they were bringing all the podcasts back and all this other stuff. So
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We'll see what's going on with that. But it sounds like the owners were, uh, this new group that are really excited to, uh, big fans of the company, like the, you know, grew up reading it and stuff. So hopefully it's in good hands. Yeah. Whenever I just for some reason, whenever I hear a fangoria, I think about you, I think about you interviewing Kane Hunter. And then I think about.
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Debbie, Rashawn, and Tina Krauss. Krauss. Krauss. Krauss. I think about Tina Krauss pretty much all day, every day anyway. But whenever I hear Fangoria, I think of those three things. And Kane Hother endorsing that he was voiced with ICP. All the horror. Yeah.
Jason Bateman's career shift
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Yeah. I mean, you got to go all the way with horror.
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But yeah, so you want to talk about Jason Bateman and Ozark first. Yeah, well, I mean, really, I wanted to cast to be more just sort of about Jason Bateman. But I mean, Jason Bateman has, I mean, the major thing he's done recently has been like the outsider. And I know that you haven't seen much of Ozark.
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Yeah, it's all the first couple episodes and I think it was on the back of like, you know, Breaking Bad where, like, there's one series about a man who goes kind of dark to, you know, support his family through drugs to another group of people that was like almost the same
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Well, you know, what care that much for that that family so I was like before I mentioned a little bit about what Jason Bateman has done in the last 10 years involving horror.
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You, like I said, it's interesting that you didn't get into the series. Before I talk a little bit about it, do you think maybe you want to say like what you saw that maybe did not make you?
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, and
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For the characters, they all seem kind of like a bunch of assholes. So I was like, all right. And I only watched maybe the first couple of episodes. So I was just like, OK. So you you saw what are you saying? Are you saying that you saw Ozark to be like on the equivalent of Breaking Bad? Like you saw them as shows like that were like.
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easy to be compared to one another or that were the same it was same type of situation between both families of you know the you know the the patriarch you know like them both being crime dramas involving narcotics yeah and you know for to support their family or themselves you know what i mean yeah
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And so what you're saying is that it was the shock from coming off of Breaking Bad, a show that you liked a lot to watching a show of what you thought was of similar story and, you know, theme and like just your let down because you didn't
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are you picking up when I'm putting down? Like you're saying that you felt that the plot was similar to both of them and you loved Breaking Bad, obviously. And are you saying like after watching Breaking Bad and then watching Ozark, something that you had expectations to be on the same par as Breaking Bad? I had any expectations to go going into Ozark because I didn't even really know what it was about besides, you know,
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Jason Bateman and go into the Ozarks. I didn't really know like why I mentioned Breaking Bad. Well, this Breaking Bad have to do with it. Well, once I started watching the show, it seemed like a very similar story to Breaking Bad. And I just watched and Breaking Bad. So that's why, you know, it's a very similar story to it. But I didn't know that going into it. But I had watched a few episodes. I was like, oh, it's kind of like Breaking Bad, except I don't care about these characters.
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Yes, I don't like think that it's anything like Breaking Bad at all. If you have watched a little more, I think you would see like even because the family works for drug dealers and there's drug dealers involved, there's like very little drug usage on the show at all. So you kind of sort of forget
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that like drugs are even really involved. Like Breaking Bad was, you know, not only about like, you know, guys getting messed up in like, you know, drug cartels and stuff like that. But like, there was a lot of drug uses and like, you know, plot points about addiction and things like that, like, there's none of that exists in like Ozark, like Ozark,
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It's more like just gangsters and people doing terrible, violent, and horrific things to one another.
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of the
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Not in the first couple episodes that I watched. They just kind of seemed like a bunch of assholes that, you know, couldn't really give a shit what happened to them. So I was kind of like, yeah, I have other shit to watch. But I don't know. I don't know. I'll go back. I'll go back once the final season hits. I'll go back and watch them all since I've heard like really good things from the show since then.
Ozark's accolades and future prospects
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Well, why don't we just, let's talk a little bit about what Ozark has been nominated for or won. And now let me point out, I do not consider Ozark to be like a true, like in the sense of the word, like it's not actually something I would call in the horror genre. In fact, it's listed as a crime drama.
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But I mean, I feel like when I watch the show, I feel the sense of constant suspense that something absolutely horrible and violent or like just extremely dark and grisly.
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is like at every second like the threat is beset upon one character like at any time i think like something terrifying is going to happen to someone like completely surprisingly like you know i feel like constant suspense and like like the same way i felt like um
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watching like The Haunting of Hill House or another horror series like Ozark makes me feel like like you know just a lot of like anxiety but like joyful anxiety.
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Um So like I would say that Ozark in the context of horror does merit some discussion Like I don't I don't think it's um, I don't think it's like just strictly a crime drama I would consider it to be like horror crime drama, um suspense thriller Something like that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, i'll probably get back into it once uh
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new season uh comes out hopefully next year hopefully it doesn't get pushed back too far well it started things about like getting them getting awards and stuff you said you had a list of yeah well here um Ozark i believe premiered in 2016 i think that's when netflix aired it i could be but the awards started coming
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in 2018. Primetime Emmy Awards Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series, Outstanding Director for a Drama Series. Jason Bateman was nominated for both of those. Then the Golden Globe Awards Best Actor in the Television Series Drama, nominated.
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Again, these are all 2018 Screen Actors Guild Awards, Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Drama Series, Nominated. Then the Satellite Awards, Best Actor, Genre,
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series, it just says for some reason. Then again, in 2019, the Golden Globe, satellite awards, Screen Actors Guild Awards, outstanding performance by a male actor in a drama series, and that was won by Jason Bateman.
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The previous one, two, three, four, five, six were all nominations. This was one. And then in the Primetime Emmy Awards, and this is between 2019 and now, Outstanding Drama Series as an Executive Producer, Outstanding Actor, Lead Actor in a Drama Series, Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series again,
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And that was one. Again, this was 2019-2020, Outstanding Directing for Drama Series 1 by Jason Bateman. The Outstanding Lead Director and the Outstanding Drama Series were both nominations. And then it goes on. And this is why I've been hyping this up to you so much.
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This is 2020 Outstanding Drama Series as Executive Producer and Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series. It is pending.
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for both of those because obviously uh you know some things have recently happened that have sort of like prevented like the uh attendance of award ceremonies. Oh you mean that thing that's going on right now. Yeah that thing um and then for the outsider which is mainly what we're going to be talking about um has outstanding guest actor in the drama series and that is pending.
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until they have it. So I'm just saying that was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12.
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uh one pending or nominated uh for Ozark and then uh 13 is for the outsider and that's pending so that's pretty much been Jason Bateman's role in uh acting directing producing and writing for just the last
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four years alone. So that's why I'm glad we're talking about Jason Bateman. Yeah. I mean, who knew like the guy who went from arrested development.
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And Teen Wolf. Yeah. Teen Wolf 2, wasn't it? Yeah. Teen Wolf 2. Yep. Teen Wolf 2. Yeah. And rest development would go on to do such like, you know, get into like more of the horror genre and be very serious roles. Dark. Yeah. And some dark stuff, especially in Outsider. Yeah. And he did a lot of comedy. Yeah. I mean, I knew Jason Bateman even as recently too, a few years ago.
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There was a movie called Office Christmas Party, and it had like Olivia Mon and Jennifer Aniston and Jason Bateman and the guy that played like Ulrich from Pirates of the Sun. What's that? Silicon Valley, I think is the name of the show.
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Oh, yeah. So I think it's just Silicon Valley. Yeah. Yeah. Silicon. No. Pirates of Silicon Valley was a movie about Steve Jobs and Bill Gates growing up together and like, you know, going on to Microsoft and Apple and stuff like that. I always. But yeah, it's just called Silicon Valley. But I'm usually not. Oh, and it also had Kate McKinnon in it, too. It was one of her like
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acting debuts and I gotta tell you like I thought it was a fucking hilarious I mean there's a lot of like really cheesy shit like that you know but like I mean I just thought it was such a dumb name office Christmas party but I watched it it was really funny like Jason Bateman is really funny in it
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But yeah, like he still seems like the same sort of stuck up character that he was in Ozark and the outsider not saying he's like stuck. It's just like his emotions like what he brings on screen like, like his sort of like emotional state and like the way he like carries himself
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seems like he's the same person in both like drama, comedy, and like, you know, suspenseful horror. Like he seems like he's the same kind of guy who's in the same situation and like, you know,
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but like he can be funny or you know traumatic or you know obviously horrifying like oh i don't know do you you don't do you do you understand what i'm saying or am i just going on a rant so you're saying like Ozark is like a sequel to Arrested Development and uh yeah
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yeah like he just you know he went from like a very like joyous and funny time in his life and then you know he got married to Laura Linney and things to start like in the rest of development where he's like part of that family finally like cuts them off because they were such assholes and everything and then he's going on great this new family yeah I mean he saw like you know
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this opportunity to like upgrade to like a really awesome life being Laura Linney and like he got approached by the Nevada drug cartel and they were just like, yo, you can make a lot of money working for us. And like, you know, as long as you don't like fuck us over, like we're cool. And like, so like, you know, he just kind of moved on with his life. Yeah. And then, uh, we don't know how, uh,
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Ozark ends yet, but maybe like his family gets murdered and he has to go and create this new family for outsider.
Ozark's themes and storytelling
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Yeah. That is, that is like completely possible. Maybe even problem. Like, I don't know. I mean, like I, I'm not sure if there's going to be a season four of Ozark.
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Even though Netflix greenlit and it's already been renewed, I just think there's so much uncertainty right now that the way I'm seeing it is that if I don't hear that it was already more than 75% complete, I'm just assuming that it has a 50-50 chance of never actually coming out. Yeah, I've seen Netflix
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Um, cancel a few shows recently altered carbon. Uh, they, um, but I also saw that AMC just canceled, uh, that no sprout to, uh, show that they had. So yeah. And even though I think a lot of the Netflix series, not, not altered carbon, but there was two other three other ones that I saw that all had gotten renewed already.
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And then they just for production costs were going up. So they, I mean, that's what's going to crush you, right? I mean, like you simply like can't afford to be idle.
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yeah after you've already started production like you just simply can't afford like the time of like renting and like you know all the staff you need to maintain the stage and everything like like you're not going to be able it's going to just e3 financially and like i'm not saying like you know i'm holding like you know um the producers of the show as default it's just a really terrible time and that's why i
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feel like a lot of film and television that was supposed to come out is like now very suspect of it. I mean I hope it all gets renewed but like you said they've already begun like canceling. You can always come back at some point you never know but yeah.
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But being able to pick up the same staff and same acting crew, I mean, it's just not realistic, I don't think. I guess it all depends on returns. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Euphoria is starting to go back in production for season two for HBO. Oh, yeah, Joey. Thank God for Euphoria.
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Yeah. Well, I'm just saying that's the, that's the one that actually is starting back up again in LA because they are starting to get back into production. You know, I had a dream that you got a position. Yeah. That I had actually talked to the producer of the series. Cause I had, cause I delivered to him and I was like, Hey, you guys, what's going on with this?
00:26:53
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Did you guys end the show? Are you guys starting up again? And he was like, no, we're figuring that out right now. And then recently I was delivering a bunch of face masks to him. And there was more and more people starting to come in and they were starting to build sets again. You were in three episodes, you had 28 lines total, and you were a drug addict.
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Good. I don't have to like, you know, bulk up or gain anyway. I can just go in as is. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I can have my full three meals for the entire day and still be able to show up on set and look like does that what you're saying? Yeah. And I was like telling you how to.
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Backed and stuff like that how to play a drug addict like more effectively because of past Experiences like you know you going into a pharmacy like getting your fucking Oxycontin renewed and you end up like getting the pills from the pharmacist and you just fall and collapse Remember we had that scenario like years ago that that might happen to you I had to do a show up and just take my shirt off
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Yeah, pretty much. Like, that's, that's all you have to do. And like, you know, you have that, you know, very, you have a very slender figure. Getting back to Ozark.
00:28:16
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I really, really, really have been enjoying Ozark. This past season, what you could tell like the writing suffered a bit. I found the characters to be, I don't know, it's just
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Season one was good, but much darker than I thought it was going to be. Season two dramatically descends into a very, very dark and terrible place, even more so. I read one review and it said Ozark.
00:28:54
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drowning in the darkness. And that was like the title of the video. I can't remember which magazine it was for, but some magazine and season three has just gotten a little bit more surreal and kind of ridiculous. But I mean, I still I still really, really like what I'm seeing. It's just I guess I was looking for something more like Breaking Bad 2 going in now that I think of
Introduction to The Outsider
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it.
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Like I thought it was going to be like a crime drama that was just based on like, you know, drug dealing. And it just turned into so much more. Like it turned into what I would consider to be more of a suspense horror because of like just the terrible things like that are constantly going on. Like there's one part early on in season one
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where Jason Bateman was going to commit suicide.
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so that the drug dealers would stop going after his wife and children who he you know uh they said they were going to murder and like you know that's in the first four episodes you have the main character saying i need to commit suicide to save my family like and then i thought i was like wow this is pretty fucking dark and then it just keeps getting even more dark and grim
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You know, babies being cut from pregnant woman's stomachs and left on the side of the road. And, you know, it just keeps getting more and more grim. People being axed up, you know, sore Steve Buscemi wood chipper type shit going on. So, you know, it's been, it's been really exciting. But the reason I wanted to just talk a little bit about Ozark
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was because before this, like we said, I just I never knew Jason Bateman as someone that even really acted in horror to going into like an acting, directing
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and writing role and you know it was what I saw Rob Lowe on Joe Rogan recently and to listen to them have a little talk about Jason Bateman because Rob Lowe and Jason Bateman are friends and he talked a little bit about him and when I see Rob Lowe
00:31:29
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I really listen you know being that Rob was one of my favorite actors that just oozes with confidence and like when I heard him talking about it and then Joe Rogan was also saying like yeah we think you know Ozark is one of the best shows on television right now and Joe Rogan made the comment he was like you know I really didn't know Jason Bateman could do that
00:31:52
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And, you know, so, you know, it just shows just like versatility. And then that sort of leads us into the outsider, which is just pure horror.
00:32:04
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Well, I heard, hold on, I can find the trivia. Yeah, in the novel, upon searching his computers and devices, the police note that Terry Maitland, who's played by Jason Bateman, watches Ozark on Netflix. In the series, Terry Maitland is played by Jason Bateman, the star of that series. Wait, what was that? I'm sorry, come again? In Stephen King's novel, The Outsider,
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Yeah. When the police are searching Jason Bateman's place, they find that he watches Ozark on Netflix. So Stephen King, now the outsider came out in 2018, right? The book. I believe so, yes. So Stephen King, when he was writing the book, he was watching Ozark.
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I did not know that. I didn't know that Terry Maitland was actually a character in a Stephen King book. That's a very interesting story. Well, and Terry Maitland is Jason Bateman's character in the episode. Yeah, I'm aware of that. I'm just saying, I didn't know he went from Jason Bateman's character, Terry Maitland, into the Stephen King book, The Outsider, that then Jason Bateman would end up acting.
00:33:26
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so like, like he was like such a big fan. And then maybe he was like, Oh, we need to get Jason Bateman to play that character. So I would think that has to, that has to kind of like make you think that you possibly need to give the show a second chance. Yeah. Yeah. But Stephen King's endorsing it. Yeah. I mean, not just like, he's not just endorsing it. Like coming out in interviews like, Oh yeah, it was arts really good. He's like,
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Straight up putting it in his book. So it's like Ozark's a canning thing in the Stephen King humor Well, yeah, I highly I mean anyone that's like psyching it like indoors like most people are during this Troubling time like Ozark check it out. But now let's fucking do it the outsider is
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What did you think of it first impression? Well, uh, let's let's do like non-spoilers Uh first maybe just you know been out for a while Yeah, I know but that doesn't mean everybody's seen it and the book's been out for two years Outsiders only came out this year, hasn't it? Uh, I mean the book came out the book came out too. Yeah I'm saying the story's been out there for the story's been out there for two years
00:34:39
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Yeah, but I haven't watched everything that's been out in the past two years. So why should we assume that everyone is like Reddit? Because whenever we do this podcast, we automatically assume that people have already seen the show. We talk about all the time. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, shouldn't we give a little synopsis about the show first? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Doc, I'm sorry. Forgive my ill manners. Please, synopsis away.
00:35:07
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So basically the show is about this cop who discovers, well he doesn't discover it, but he's called in to investigate this
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child murderer that happened in his small town and then things kind of go off the rail as the investigation continues uh because it's uh found that this where where where was that where did you read that synopsis from i just you know i'm thinking the show off my head oh all right that was your that was your brother who the fuck wrote that
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Okay so that was your personal synopsis got it yes yes what's your personal so what you think the show is about well yeah he definitely goes off the rails I mean yeah. The outsider the HBO series of this year or I guess twenty nineteen. This year oh really was this year yeah I'm sorry you know. What's your struggling times like I've lost all track of time it's like.
00:36:14
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you know i like you know i've been living in the fucking cabin in the woods basically for like since march 21st so i just don't have it around it probably okay but yeah great yeah well i would say you know um obviously the outsider is based on the stephen king novel the outsider um and
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the first two episodes I believe the adaptation to television came from the writing of Jason Bateman and someone else and he also directed the first two episodes and it's basically about
00:36:55
Speaker
Well, I mean, how else can I say about a very common theme in most Stephen King books? There's a shape-shifting creature from alien origins that goes out and starts killing small children. That's my synopsis.
00:37:17
Speaker
I mean, that is, I was going to say before we get into it, we should talk about things we didn't like about it. And I would say that's one of the things I didn't really like about it, is that it was just sort of so cliche Stephen King.
00:37:34
Speaker
You know, um, it's just a character, you know that I mean the Tommy knockers it Dreamcatcher, um, you know, he a very very common thing is that there's aliens or people creatures of unknown origin which is an alien that basically Shift shapes and go after children. Yeah. Yeah, that is a current Yeah
00:38:03
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, it's like, it's kind of like almost based in, uh, like, uh, uh, I liked how it was kind of based in reality. And there's that one cop who's like facts, facts, facts. If I'm not sure what it is, then it's just because I haven't discovered the facts yet. Yeah. No, I get that. And like, I'm just saying that that was what I didn't like about the show so far is that it was just.
00:38:29
Speaker
So typical, Steve, like, you know, I just got done dealing with the film it too. I still haven't processed it completely. So like, you know, coming fresh off of like, you know, Pennywise and, you know, things like that, like, I was just hoping that they would have chose to
Holly's character analysis in The Outsider
00:38:52
Speaker
maybe do a Stephen King series on something that wasn't based on like aliens or shape-shifting creatures, that's all. Like I would have preferred if they went after something else.
00:39:05
Speaker
Like Castle Rock. Like Castle Rock was great. Like that was that was a breath of fresh air from like the Stephen King. Like, you know, you know, supernatural elements to it, though. Oh, yeah, I know. But I'm talking mainly about shape shifting aliens. Like, I was glad that they decided to do something based on Stephen King that didn't involve aliens in shape
00:39:30
Speaker
shifters. Yeah, they don't really say this is an alien at all, but just the creature. Yeah, well, that that is typically aliens alien to us. It's something that comes from another place that we don't know about. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:47
Speaker
Wasn't I wasn't saying it had to be from outer space. I was just saying aliens shape-shifting creatures I would have preferred if they took another character or another theme from the Stephen King book That's that's but other than that. I liked almost everything Yeah, I was gonna say I liked pretty much everything about it. Like oh, yeah, it was also like like the way his the fact guy versus like
00:40:14
Speaker
You know, not versus really, but like the way like they brought in the girl, Holly, who kind of was like, she can name like who pitched in like a world series and a certain inning. And I'm like, that was really, that was really odd. Like I didn't buy that. Like I just thought that was kind of, I would say her character is what like out of all the characters in it. Again, I was talking about what I didn't like that much about it. I didn't like her character.
00:40:41
Speaker
Um, I mean, there's people that are like that though, they're on the spectrum and shit. They can fucking just pick up like off on facts and stuff like that. And I liked how she not only knew that, but she kind of believed in more than like, what is just based on facts. So she was able to, that's an actual, that's an actual phenomenon that exists in real life. Yeah. There's people that can do that. I did. I, I was not aware of that.
00:41:06
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't realize that there were people that did that. I thought that was, I thought that was like basically like schizophrenia, but like you're saying, they're on the spectrum. That's just one thing that they can focus on that they're really good at while other things in their life.
00:41:23
Speaker
that they struggle to do every day, but like, yeah, there's some things that like, so people like Holly, like that, that has a basis in reality. There's people just like her and like real, I did not know that I was totally ignorant of that fact.
00:41:39
Speaker
I didn't like her character in the show like she was probably what I disliked most about the show but I still thought like as an actress like I thought her I thought she did a great job of acting I just didn't particularly like her character but I again I didn't realize that there were people that were both that eccentric and had that kind of ability
00:42:05
Speaker
Um, I gotta tell you, I don't know the term on the spectrum. It's only, it's they're autistic. They're all, they're on the autism spectrum. I didn't, I didn't, I'm just not familiar with that kind of stuff. Uh, yeah, there's, there's definitely, it's definitely a basis in, uh, in reality. And now like she kind of how like she was almost more socially awkward because she was all just like, Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:42:33
Speaker
I didn't realize that I guess what I'm saying is I didn't realize that like what she had was considered to be like, um, I didn't realize that she was considered to be autistic.
00:42:47
Speaker
yeah there's like a whole spectrum of like of like just down to small little things to you know the the huge like really can't function yeah maybe if i was like previously not ignorant to that like i would have like you know maybe liked your character more i didn't know that i i haven't been around a lot of people with autism in my life so i'm just not that well versed in it
00:43:11
Speaker
Well, there's some people that you probably know that have autism that you just you didn't know that they had it because they yeah, I just thought they were real eccentric. Yeah, they can just function a little better around people than some people can. So yeah, yeah, I guess I associate autism more like with mental retardation in that I thought autistic people like I mean, look, I've seen the movie Rain Man. So I just figured that like every
00:43:39
Speaker
person that was autistic was basically Dustin Hoffman and Rain Man and I know that there's like certain things that they can focus on like I think it has something to do with like the lobes in your brain where like half of your brain doesn't really function very well but the other half is like functioning at a higher level that's what I thought autism was.
00:44:00
Speaker
but like I thought like there's like a huge you know difference in yeah yeah that's yeah hence the term spectrum I guess I associate with like people that weren't like capable of taking care of themselves on their own like and she seems like um an empowered free and independent woman
00:44:20
Speaker
that's like capable of living a normal life she just has like this sort of gift and a curse at the same time and that like her mind is always running like a computer on steroids like all she does is process information
00:44:37
Speaker
like you know she's outside and she can tell like every car it's model manufacturer like you know i mean the approximate rate of speed it's going like you know she just seems to know everything like i thought she was more of like a psychic
00:44:53
Speaker
And then like someone that is, um, you know, uh, struggling with autism. I mean, I know she kind of like hints that she wish wishes she didn't have this gift slash curse. And she talks about like her parents subjecting her to like kind of like hellish testing as a child. Yeah, to probably kind of figure out what was wrong. And yeah, it was just turned out that she was just on another
00:45:22
Speaker
level than, than most people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, but yeah, I don't know. I liked, I liked the show cause it kind of, it kind of kept its focus really
Exploration of El Cucu's character
00:45:33
Speaker
well. There wasn't a lot of like sidebars. Yeah. Like really just focused on Ralph and Holly and like solving this, this case that they're on, um, about this little boy who gets murdered in the woods and, uh, Terry Maitland, Jason Bateman's character.
00:45:50
Speaker
is caught with like video, fingerprints, blood, and all this stuff on the scene, but then he's also turns up that he was also 60 miles away at this teacher's conference, and it's them trying to prove whether he did it
00:46:05
Speaker
or something else is going on, whether natural or supernatural. Yeah. Well, as, as the series opens, the opening scene is basically a man walking his dog, right? And he comes away. Yeah. It's very, it's very much in the style of it. Like it's a rural wood area and a child is just found torn apart.
00:46:29
Speaker
Like, you know, like they think it was, they initially believe it was wolves or something that killed the child. But when the man who saw it report it to police and they started doing like forensic things, like they learned that it was human DNA, like whatever made those marks on the child.
00:46:55
Speaker
this saliva that was tested from the flesh was said to be human. And that's when I was just like, all right, well, you know, we have another killer clown. Like, I had not read the book. I just assumed that like, it was something Stephen King had written at the same time he wrote it.
00:47:14
Speaker
like sometime in the late 80s, early 90s, I didn't know until I looked it up that the outsider had just come out about a year before the production of the show started.
00:47:28
Speaker
And so that was interesting to me. But like when I saw the opening scene where you see the kid torn apart and, you know, the cop go and interview the man that found the body, that's exactly sort of how the book it opens up.
00:47:46
Speaker
where they're in like a police interrogation room and it's the scene from the Itch chapter 2. The story of Adrian Melo and what happens to him, that's how it opens up. The first few pages are about that scene that you see in the beginning of Itch chapter 2. So like, I automatically thought like, all right, Pennywise lives. But, you know. In the same universe as Pennywise because like,
00:48:16
Speaker
Pennywise kind of, you know, fed on fear of children and, and, uh, El Cucu is what they call in the, uh, he actually feeds on grief. So I thought that was nice. It was a nice difference between the two. Like he doesn't just take the identity of a, uh, somebody and, you know, murder children because they taste good, which they do to him. I was sued because of like, you know, innocence and stuff, but, uh,
00:48:43
Speaker
Um, then he sticks around and kind of feeds off people's grief for the family and then causes them to like, you know, go further into, into madness. And then like, that's why he hangs around cemeteries and stuff where like we're the most, uh, grief of that family can be. So I thought that was really.
00:49:02
Speaker
But it's very, I don't know, it's very Dr. Bob, or Mr. Bob Gray-esque, like, you know, in that he, you know, Pennywise obviously liked, you know, crazy, like, fear and confusion, and he definitely enjoyed watching human suffer, who he saw as, like, very manipul- or, you know, able, like, for him,
00:49:25
Speaker
he had the great capability of manipulating their behavior and saw them as like a very inferior subspecies that um you know and so that's sort of like el cucco reminded me a lot of that character and it's very hard for me to kind of get over that but you're right i see what you're saying el cucco liked it so that not only would he kill the child
00:49:52
Speaker
he kind of got off like his release was after enjoying the meal he would watch the family suffering and the family would give him like what I would compare to like I guess what I think pedophiles would feel about like you know I mean like that was like sort of like almost like a sexual release was like doing that kind of stuff
00:50:16
Speaker
he really enjoyed watching the aftermath they never say he enjoyed it sexually but it's just yeah i'm saying like that's what he seemed to get off on that yeah like you know what i mean like that was like you know what he would you know that was his thing like he liked killing and eating children
00:50:36
Speaker
And then he liked watching the suffering and actually feeling the suffering that other people and in fact it goes even deeper than that that like he's attracted to people that are suffering that's like he had slaves minions sort of like what penny wise did.
00:50:55
Speaker
like by manipulating their mind and like you know inflicting like fear into them but he was attracted and found it easier to manipulate people that were in extreme states of mental and physical anguish in their actual lives and he was drawn to them and that's who he preyed on to kind of do his dirty work while he was like
00:51:24
Speaker
between like metamorphosis would you call it I would say that yeah between transformations between yeah is uh his victims and then he maybe he could talk on that like what because I was still like a little bit confused on this because I know in the book like the el cucco character was a shapeshifter that was capable of taking on like all kinds of like terrifying like forms that he would
00:51:51
Speaker
be in when he actually devoured the children, but in a show that in the show, I mean, yeah, yeah, you get scratched by el cucco, and then he slowly starts to transform into you. And as he's doing that, he get he kind of gathers your
00:52:10
Speaker
all like your whole identity, your, your thoughts and like, you know, and everything. That, that was really interesting. I thought, because that was like one of the things I was like, well, how could he possibly know? Because like he, he, he would, he needed to come in physical contact with a person to take.
00:52:28
Speaker
their shape. So unlike Pennywise, he couldn't just take your shape and morph into you. He had to come into contact. Scratch was like him getting your DNA. Yeah, getting your DNA code so he could morph into you. And it happened over a period of a week or something like that, I think they say.
00:52:51
Speaker
20, no, I think it was like 20 days roughly. Oh, really? He was able to transform. I thought it took a couple of days for him to like, oh, I completely morph. Holly was researching it. She came to the conclusion that it was like every like 20 to 24 days or something like that. And that's what that was the time period. Oh, that's why he needed the, uh, put the mark on the back of the guy. I need to talk.
00:53:20
Speaker
I'm sorry you froze. Yeah. What happened?
00:53:25
Speaker
sorry again out in the woods oh yeah um yeah i thought you said 20 to 24 hours no days days yeah yeah so that's that's why he would mark somebody on the on the back to they could kind of control their mind to you know increase the fear so that they would do his uh fittings and stuff like that because he needed like somebody to do stuff for him while he was in his transformation yeah exactly and
00:53:52
Speaker
He was like hiding down in caves. So he come in the contact with you he'd scratch you he would get whatever code he needed from you and then he'd be able to take your shape and have your thoughts and memories and basically completely be your doppelganger and And while he did that he would like hide out in caves and he would need like human slaves to do his bidding
00:54:18
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. He was in the last transformation because before that show that he was in that barn, that was very impossibly in that factory or whatever before, but he would always, yeah, during his transformation, he would always go to a place that had like the greatest amount of grief that he could feed on to help those transformation.
00:54:37
Speaker
Yeah, I guess that that was definitely that was definitely unique from like it like that. That was definitely unique. I mean, that is just a really fucking grim ass organism. Yeah. Something that just goes to a different place takes the shape of human when he's not when he's not in like your identity.
00:55:02
Speaker
they basically show him as like they kind of like the camera never can clearly focus on what you say but he looks like he's basically if you went up to a man and that man's face was made of silly putty and you just drug your hand
00:55:21
Speaker
He kind of like looked like a raisin that sort of Robocop who got hit with the acid. Yeah. Yes exactly
00:55:33
Speaker
He looked like that. But during this time, even when he was in between identities, he was obviously able to function at his own level and that he was able to like drive cars and like transport himself. And he had his own form of consciousness. It was just like when he was projecting his consciousness, it didn't seem like he had like drove cars or anything. He would get people to do his biddings.
00:56:03
Speaker
Like he, like he had, uh, the guy to drive the car for him. That's why he was in the back seat. So he would like have people like drive up and meet him at like his hiding point. And he would just like, sort of slither into the car. And then like, you know, it just went from there. Yeah, I guess. Like it always showed him like control and it never showed him driving anywhere.
00:56:23
Speaker
I did see he made that guy like bring like a TV and like lawn chairs and shit out into the middle of the woods like a picnic table and like just set all the shit up like out in the middle of nowhere. So I guess I go, which one of these do you want in your cave, sir? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, you don't like the fucking lamp and he was like trying to kill himself with the el kuku when he let him.
00:56:46
Speaker
Well, also, um, he had the ability to, um, I don't know, like manifest like some kind of like crazy spirits. Like he was able to make people hallucinate. Yeah. And he made people believe that they were seeing things that they weren't. And he could do this. It seemed like almost to anybody, uh, especially people that had suffered trauma and grief, like the cop who had lost his son. Yeah. The copping is one, uh,
00:57:16
Speaker
Yeah, he sends the mother. Yeah, he sends the mother. Yeah.
00:57:37
Speaker
But yeah, at one point he did go to the cop as his dead son, and he thought it was just a dream, like, because he was like, no, it was just a dream. He's kind of dismissing it. Same thing when his wife saw the creature, whatever. And he didn't really start to take it seriously until he, like, saw the drawing of the one from one of the kids that witnessed one of the transformations to his wife.
00:58:03
Speaker
Who had drawn another one and they yeah without having ever talked to each other. So yeah I was wondering if like this thing like had just walked walked in the house and like, you know told the wife to sit like I had trouble discerning like times when he was Physically there and times that he was like hallucinating like the other cop sends like the spirit of his dead mother and
00:58:29
Speaker
to his room and like he's just like oh my god mom why'd he send you and like you know it was like his demonically possessed spirit of his mom and like the guy was flying around the room yeah like like freddy kruger dream style like there were people flying around yeah like they were physically getting hit
00:58:54
Speaker
I mean, do you remember that scene where did you see anything when or or was it maybe it was like he was projecting like it was actually elku throwing him around but he was projecting that it was his mom throwing him around in his they showed him in the room and he was like throwing himself around okay so like it looked like there was an entity an invisible entity in the room
00:59:19
Speaker
and it was throwing himself like you know at the end the fight club when you see Edward Norton on the security video cam footage and like you could see he's fucking himself up that's what it resembled to me when i saw it in the show it looked like he was getting like knocked around by a ghost that you couldn't say yeah well i mean i kind of i kind of liked how everything wasn't explained like it didn't like when they go yeah in the cave and he was like i don't know if i've
00:59:49
Speaker
How long I've been around, I've lost track. I don't know if there's others, there may be.
00:59:53
Speaker
That was something that reminded me of it too because at the yeah at the end of the show like you know the grieving mother she wants some answers as to why these terrible things have happened to her have happened to her family, you know happened to their children and it seemed he talks about like yeah, I think there might be others and that was something Pennywise said in the book and
01:00:20
Speaker
Pennywise was constantly tormented by this idea that there was what he called an other out there. Of course, anyone that read the book, we all know that other to be the turtle, you know, something that was on his same spectrum. And I wasn't sure in the show when he tells the grieving mother, he believes that there were others like him. I wasn't sure if he was being serious.
01:00:46
Speaker
or if he was just trying to inflict more pain in her psychological state? Maybe. I think it might have been, I think it just might have been him, you know, not sure if there was others
Potential second season of The Outsider
01:01:00
Speaker
out there. Like, if he, like, kind of like how he asked her, like, how could you find me? Like, she, because she had to, like, believe that he existed, and if he exists and people like her kind of exist, then who knows what else is out there?
01:01:15
Speaker
Yeah. Speaking of which, would you like to see a second season? How do you think you would like to see them go? No, I don't think that it merits a second season. I think they pretty much
01:01:31
Speaker
I mean, after it starts out in the beginning, it kind of goes into a detective noir for a couple episodes, where it's just like, all right, we have a real serious supernatural murder mystery. And the cop picks up from when the first body was discovered,
01:01:55
Speaker
to his chief suspect who was Jason Bateman but obviously it wasn't Jason Bateman it was his doppelganger and then it kind of went on a hunt for a while because you know obviously like Jason Bateman could not be two places
01:02:12
Speaker
at once at first they thought they definitely had their man and then the cops slowly became convinced that like he had made a tremendous error and there was something that was going on that was surreal and you know so it went on a hunt from that point on you know like kind of like a detective like you know the high they hired
01:02:36
Speaker
Holly to you know, basically investigate the Uninvestigatable and You know, I mean they went on like sort of like it was like a mystery crime type thing to find the killer and then they discover the killer is of course el cucco some crazy entity and you know, it went into that and
01:03:00
Speaker
Uh, I I guess I thought I saw as like a detective show for a couple episodes. I mean it started off It was and the whole thing was kind of a detective episode. It's just a detective episode with supernatural Yeah, it was like the x-files in a way what I wanted to before I lost my train of thought. Um, I I just wanted to say the first two episodes That jason bateman, um direct it and starred in
01:03:30
Speaker
because he's only in the first two episodes, the rest he just acts as a producer, director actor for the first two. Those first two episodes
01:03:43
Speaker
like i said i could do a cast just on those i gotta tell you there's no show i've seen in recent years where i was like i just felt such psychological suspense for those first two episodes i just thought it was amazing what they were able to accomplish the
01:04:06
Speaker
Acting was stellar. The story was totally mysterious if you were not familiar with Stephen King. And those first two episodes, I was on the edge of my fucking seat. Like, I thought it was fucking brilliant. Like, writing every actor was in sync. The music, the set, like, it just was fucking beautiful.
01:04:28
Speaker
So I'm just saying like I just just on the first two episodes alone I knew that nothing could happen that would make me dislike without I was going to say it could have gotten Extremely bad and I did think it fell off. I
01:04:45
Speaker
but like those first two episodes just had me so on the edge of my feet I was like so pumped and into it it led to me binge watching seven straight hours or eight straight hours however many episodes are I can't even think of it now but like literally like I would I would just like you know hold it like I went to the bathroom like three times the whole first season
01:05:09
Speaker
Yeah, I think I watched the first season in like a weekend and then I just rewatched it recently and like a week like not even maybe like three or four years again because it was still like like like I said I thought the pacing is really well done in that show. Yeah. Like if the way it ended like I kind of would like to see it not do another season but they did kind of set it up to the possibility that they could do another season.
01:05:33
Speaker
I would like if it was something like True Detective maybe where like I don't know they took like another Stephen King character that was sort of of the similar type like El Cucco Pennywise. If it was like another creature and the second season the story like
01:05:52
Speaker
maybe like the story doesn't involve any of the cast or have anything you don't want to bring back the cast. I was thinking maybe bring back the bring back Ralph and Holly and have them and that crew kind of investigate another
01:06:05
Speaker
Uh, monster and instead of bringing, I wouldn't want to bring out cuckoo back. I would rather have them do another monster almost like every, well, no, that's what I'm saying. That's, that's sort of what I would like to, or maybe like, if there was to be a second season, maybe it was like someone else in another town that had been a victim of some kind of supernatural phenomena.
01:06:30
Speaker
heard the press about what happened in the Terry Maitland case. And like, you know, they saw what happened there. And they're like, you know, that is a hell of a lot like the shit we had that was unsolved a few years back. And like, maybe they reach across the aisle and they reach out to like the police department and end up talking to, um, I can't remember what the officer's name was. Uh, Ralph, I believe.
01:06:59
Speaker
route and like they like get in touch with him or something like that and him and his wife have split up or you know something like that and like you know he's been kind of laughed off as a joke because like you know nobody believes like the supernatural thing like you know and like they reach out to him or something like that and they're like yo
01:07:20
Speaker
We had a situation like what you're describing over in rural Nebraska Yeah, maybe he doesn't well like the first one or two episodes, but yeah, I could see something like that But I wouldn't bring the full cast back now Yeah, I would definitely bring him and Holly back because I think they worked well with each other how he was like straight fact and and she was like, you know would believe in the and And be able to like pinpoint other things. So like I think they worked well together and
01:07:49
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's just my I mean, I would not bring her character back. I mean, I don't necessarily believe in bringing any of the characters from the first season back. I think it would be cool if it like kind of like was a follow up and like it was like sort of a unique and separate story. So kind of like how Castle Rock where they were kind of related.
01:08:11
Speaker
where they kind of were, I mean, they were kind of separate stories, but then at the same time they were both. True detective season one, true detective season three. Yeah. They were two totally separate stories, but like, there's a point in that story where they like integrate, like, you know, the first season. Yeah. And so it like, that would be pretty cool. But like,
01:08:34
Speaker
I would like to see it take place in a different area with a totally different cast, with sort of a different monster like you said. I think that would be cool. Or even if there are other El Cucos out there.
01:08:49
Speaker
If it was a case of something very similar to that, that would be cool. I'd be cool with that, but I don't think, for me, if I was in charge of the project, I would like to see it with a different cast in a different area. I think that'd be cool. But right now, if you were going to make an outsider season two and have the same cast and try to continue that story on,
01:09:18
Speaker
I would think that one season's enough. Yeah, I think the only reason to bring back the cast would be if they were hunting a different monster. I feel like hunting the same monster again, it gets too repetitive. And you're kind of like, no, we already dealt with that monster. Yeah, like how many monsters would the one cast have to deal with? Yeah. Like how many supernatural experiences? I don't know. We can get at least two or three seasons out of it.
01:09:45
Speaker
But I just I don't know that's that's how I would want to see is the same cast coming back and hunting a different, you know, mythological creature from some, you know, some cultures,
Introduction to Lovecraft Country
01:09:57
Speaker
you know, mythos or something like that. I mean, you can even dive into some Lovecraft stuff because I mean, King was heavily influenced by it. Which is I know something you wanted to mention at the end of the cast.
01:10:12
Speaker
I think the words you use were, I want to pitch Lovecraft County. Is it Lovecraft County or is it?
01:10:24
Speaker
Country and I know you said you wanted to mention that. Yeah, I've only watched the first two episodes so far but uh like I mean we're gonna have to do a whole thing on Lovecraft because yeah, obviously now does like I mean every if you don't know who Lovecraft is then you probably should not be listening to this cast Everywhere by now you should have heard the name Cthulhu at least Yeah, I mean Christ
01:10:53
Speaker
It's even in South Park. I think it wasn't that creature that takes over. It wasn't that Katoa.
01:11:03
Speaker
It's basically, I mean, it's not based on a Lovecraft book. It's based on this book by Matt Ruff, I believe, who is all Lovecraft stuff is in public domain, so you can take his ideas and use them. And he kind of encouraged that at the time, too, was for people to expand and do stuff in the world, which I thought was fascinating. So this takes place, like, it starts out
01:11:26
Speaker
in Georgia, I believe, and they have to travel up north to find this guy's missing mother. I mean, sorry, missing father. And he he was fought in the Korean War, I believe it is. And it started if you're not hooked by like the first five minutes of the show, then like and like you're not then something happens by the end of the second episode where like if you if you're not in by the first five minutes, like don't even then. Yeah, it's not.
01:11:54
Speaker
Cause it's gonna show you, it opens up and shows you like, all right, this is the type of world. This is going to be, it's, there's going to be some weird shit. There's going to be fucking monsters and shit. Be prepared for that. And like, and it's them navigate. He has to navigate through like Jim Crow, like, uh, era.
01:12:09
Speaker
South with racism in the south and dealing with race of racism in the north as well So it's like there's a really intense without spoiling anything. There's a real intense car chase scene and it's also like the slowest car chase scene you could ever seen but it was like super fucking intense and that was like before any like monsters really show up and
01:12:28
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I've witnessed a low speed police chases. Well, excuse me, I shouldn't say chases, Paul. I witnessed one.
01:12:43
Speaker
Police chase that was going at 30 miles per hour. I have no idea what the fuck was going on there, but like There were multiple chases or there was just like there's just this one car chase scene where they're driving they have to get out of town before
01:13:01
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Uh, the sun goes down. Otherwise, you know, the cops, the cops and the sheriff in that town, they kind of will let, you know, black people kind of do their things in that town. But the second the sun goes down, like lynchings are happening. So if they're not out of town, which is across the railroad track by sundown, like the cops are going to fucking lynch these, these people. And, uh, so, but they can't go over the speed limit because if they go over the speed limit, the cop will pull them over and, you know, and this takes place at what time?
01:13:32
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Like at what time of the like, like, and like, was it in the 1960s? You said it was in the South and then there's still like racism in the North. So it's all during like segregation and stuff. They drive like through the country and they kind of, you see like, um, they, they drive by like an ice cream stand and there's like the, the whites only line and stuff. And like, yeah. And, uh, the people at the front are kind of being ignored by the, uh,
01:14:01
Speaker
by the cashier and stuff because they're black and they're in the black line. And yeah, it kind of shows all the racism in the South and then some of the stuff they deal with in the North as well. And it captures the pulse of what's going on in present day America, too, I guess.
01:14:21
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I mean yeah I mean mostly that that day of erica but yeah it's still going on today yeah it's mostly that era and it's uh but then there's like on top of the racism as the one monster there's also Lovecraft monsters Lovecraft monsters which are my favorite Lovecraft was a racist so it's like two like
01:14:41
Speaker
Take that story and make it about showing the racism in that era and stuff like that. I thought it was really fascinating. Yeah, that's that's interesting that they incorporate that. Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it. I'm just going to wait on that. I appreciate you not spoiling much for me, but I like I said with me, like the Netflix like model is just the way to go. You drop everything at the same time.
01:15:07
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Like, you know, so I'm just going to have to wait a few more weeks. So it's done. I thought I saw that there was a third episode that episode. I've been keeping track. I just didn't watch it because I was at a friend's birthday, uh, you know, a little, little gathering. Yeah. A couple of people. We only had like maybe five or six. So we were safe. Yeah. Yeah. So I haven't watched the third episode yet, but yes, it's, it's.
01:15:35
Speaker
worth it so and it was it was funny too because like after the second episode I was like okay where's this going to go now because it like the first two episodes kind of complete like this little mini story and then it's like all right I don't know where it's going after this and I didn't want to watch any of like the trailers for next week like I've only seen one major trailer so I guess I've seen stuff that's gonna be another episodes but like I haven't really like
01:16:02
Speaker
you know, spoiled myself too much of like every, every time I hear somebody talk about it, they're like, all right, if you haven't gotten up, if you haven't read the book or here or haven't seen the stuff, here's what we are going to protect for like the next episode or whatever. And I just, I just shut it off. I'm like, nope. Yeah. That's the only way you can be nowadays because, you know, there's just so much information out there, like social media and stuff like that. Um,
01:16:28
Speaker
Speaking of Lovecraft, one thing I thought was cool about the outsider was the part where Holly first hears about El Cucao and she goes and she is looking up in like different publications that deal with El Cucao and it showed like the different forms that El Cucao would take.
01:16:53
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And some of them looked like Lovecraftian type creatures. I mean, it's so cool that you can even say that is this guy made like these particular brand of monsters that like his artwork inspired. So like when you say it, you're like, wow, that is Lovecraftian. And that's I mean, that guy has just meant so much.
01:17:16
Speaker
to horror and like modern day monsters that it's just I mean yeah I'm really really looking forward to. Besides like the Stephen King and John Carpenter's influences that we've seen before we're really starting to get a resurgence of like actual Lovecraft stories and stuff and not just the monsters I mean like there was a little bit of the monsters and the madness in uh and underwater
01:17:41
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that came out this year. There was a movie called The Void that was about a year or two ago. I just watched that recently. I thought that was really good. Wasn't in the mouth of madness based on...? Yeah, it was kind of loosely about like out at the mountains of madness. So there was definitely a lot of Lovecraft. I think even like the name of one of the characters is from like a Lovecraft thing.
01:18:05
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So it was the creatures that they showed that were chasing Sam Neil towards the end of the film.
01:18:13
Speaker
Like when they go, they pan the camera back to like what Sam Neill's running from. And it was like these monsters, these slimy monsters with the tentacles and stuff like that. And like, I was just like, yeah, that looks Lovecraftian to me. Yeah, there was a little bit of Lovecraftian in Lighthouse. I thought it really captured it.
Lovecraftian movie recommendations
01:18:37
Speaker
Color Out of Space, which is actually coming to Shutter September 1st.
01:18:41
Speaker
which is tomorrow, or I guess today, depending on when I put this up, or it was a couple days ago. It's 1201 a.m. right here, so it is just turned the first. I just met when I was going to post this up. It might be tonight, might be tomorrow, or later this week, so we'll see. Yeah.
01:19:06
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Yeah, so yeah, we check out the void. I would check out color out of space. Those are both very love crafting pieces and White House as well. And then maybe either start lovecraft country soon or wait till finishes. I mean, I wish I could wait till it finished, but I was just so excited to see it that I had one. I know you. I know you were you were so
01:19:28
Speaker
You're like, dude, I just have to do this. But I mean, I guess one thing you could do is, I mean, you can watch them all from week to week. And then when it's all done, I mean, it seems that you're so into it, like you maybe could then watch the whole thing again in a binge form. And that way, maybe it might fill in some gaps or some questions that you need to answer.
01:19:52
Speaker
Oh, definitely will. It's from week to week, I always forget so much. Even though I'd binge watched Outsider the first time around, I still went back and watched it again because I definitely sometimes you miss things the first time around, especially on binge watching. I watched the first two episodes like four times. Yeah, I mean, I kind of wish shows would come out like two a week because I think the best way to watch something is no more than two at a time.
01:20:20
Speaker
Cause then that way you can process everything that happened in those two episodes before binge watching it. But so it's a lot of process and it's a short time. That's why you miss things. That's why like, even when we watch dark, it takes like, like I couldn't watch more than an episode or two. Cause so much information was being kind of dropped on you at the same time. So like that was a tough show to binge watch just cause there was so much going on.
01:20:45
Speaker
Television in general, don't you usually like handle like multiple things at a time when you're watching like television series? Well, you have like different things because with me I'm only watching like when I start something like I don't like move on to something else until I've completed that so that I have like a
01:21:08
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a more profound sense of focus on that one thing unless it's something that like has nothing at all to do with it and it's like in a totally genre aside from horror like it's like you know a comedy show or something like that yeah i have i have some comedies and some like other shows that like i'll just kind of you know i'll either watch week to week or it's just kind of something to break
01:21:34
Speaker
You know, uh, you know, break off from watching horror all the time. I'll watch something else, like kind of in between, like just, just, you know, to get, to get away from, uh, it a little bit, but yeah, most, sometimes it'll be like, I'll watch one or two shows like week to week, you know, on different days. And then I'll have like one show that I'm binging. So it kind of, I like to break it up a little bit. So like, if I'm, so you have your week to week and your constant binge. Yeah. So if I have some, like, if I'm watching Lovecraft country.
01:22:04
Speaker
You know, during the week, then I mean, uh, on Sundays or whatever, or Monday, whenever I get around to it, then like, there's another show that during that week, I'll probably binge watch through. Like I just finished Umbrella Academy season two. And, uh, we got the boys coming up this week, but, uh, I've watched a few movies recently too. So, uh, I've been doing a little bit more of that since most of the time I watch a lot of TV shows. So.
01:22:27
Speaker
Well, I'm going to I'm going to actually watch tomorrow. I'm going to watch The Gift, which is the other horror film that Jason Bateman had the lead of, which is the one the one work of horror that he's done that I haven't seen. So because I just missed that one. I was just looking up Jason Bateman.
01:22:52
Speaker
horror in anticipation of this podcast and I saw the gift I was like what is that I went on IMDB and I looked and for a horror movie you know people are so critical of horror on internet maybe database that like you know when I saw that it had a 7.0 like for horror on there that is considered to be high yeah because so many but and so many people have so many different opinions than they are
01:23:21
Speaker
You know, it is, you know, there's a lot of debate among like, you know, horror aficionados and people that are fans of the genre. And when I saw that, I was like, shit, man, I have to check this out. Like, I wish I could have seen like, I thought about
01:23:40
Speaker
how much time it was until we were going to start this to see if I could maybe squeeze that in and talk, but I was like, you know, it would be, it would be like, I think more advantageous if like Doc had seen it too. So I was just like, all right, I'll try to watch it this week.
01:23:57
Speaker
Yeah yeah i'm not sure it might be on netflix or amazon or something like that i don't even look it up and say streaming services it's gotta be on something yeah. Yeah probably so i mean i wish i could have seen it before the cast because i want to you know give like sort of a.
01:24:15
Speaker
full synopsis of all the horror, suspense, and other, you know, serious things that Jason Bateman is involved in. But, you know, that's one that I plan to check out really soon. And I mean, if it's, if it's good, then, you know, it's something that I'll maybe mention a little bit about before our next podcast. Yeah, we'll bring it up next time because I might be watching that too.
01:24:41
Speaker
But yeah, I do find a lot of like horror movies that I end up watching and liking. I'll notice like their IMDb ratings, maybe like a six or something like that. And like that's not really high compared to most, you know, well known good movies. So it is very like people are like either really into horror.
01:25:01
Speaker
like something people that aren't into horror will like really dislike and that'll bring like the ratings down it's like that movie wasn't meant for you if you don't like horror like get the fuck out of here i mean when you see that texas chainsaw master part two has i think like a 5.6 on imdb
01:25:18
Speaker
And, you know, a lot of people have said to me, like, yo, man, like you are too dependent upon, like the reflection of IMDB review ratings. And I'm like, compared to like other critic sites, like Rotten Tomatoes and like Metacritic and stuff like that, I find like IMDB users to be like,
01:25:42
Speaker
I guess like just like a little bit more burst in film and television and like oh me I don't want to say like they're all like intellectuals but I find like more intelligent opinions and like better written
01:25:58
Speaker
reviews from the critics on IMDB than I do like other film sites. So I always agree with the horror. No, I don't agree with them at all. And like I said, like I feel like people are so critical on the horror on IMDB especially. But like, you know, when I see like a 5.6 for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, like pretty much
01:26:24
Speaker
anything over a 5.0 in horror is something that I'll add to my list. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's even some that I'll like a trailer, it would be like 4.9. I'm like, oh, well, that's going to be rough to watch. Well, I think it was you that went on the one rant when we did Silent Night Deadly Night. You were talking about Silent Night Deadly Night 2, and you went into such detail for so long. And it's IMDB rating, I think it's like 1.8.
01:26:54
Speaker
it's considered to be the worst one of the series yeah but it was like i found such enjoyment out of how terrible it was yeah like that's why there's like i can't really agree with that with everything because sometimes it's like yeah this is so bad it's funny that i'm like i'm having fun with it and enjoying it like fucking troll too
01:27:13
Speaker
or something like that you know yeah with horror i just i don't i don't care like you know i mean like like i said unless like the ratings are so awful like that like people are like yeah it's not even like it's not even funny bad then like you know i might pass on something but like
01:27:33
Speaker
Otherwise, I'm a lot more lenient and loose what I'll watch horror wise than with any other genre based on people's opinions. Like with horror, I like to see it myself. Like, you know, I mean, if it's something else and people are like, yeah, man,
01:27:51
Speaker
It's really not worth your time. I'll usually take them, but with horror, like I pretty much always want to form my own opinion from personal experience without like anybody else's word. It's like, let me see a trailer and then I'll start watching. And if it's not like, you know, something in the first like 10, 15 minutes, like I tried, I didn't realize there was like, I guess an Italian remake or reanimator.
01:28:16
Speaker
And I was like, what? Yes. Let me, let me see this. And I kind of get into like the first five minutes of it. I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure if it was a remake or just like, um, a retelling a sequel or prequel in Italian. No, I think it was a retelling of the original story. A retelling necessarily remake of the, uh, Stewart Gordon. I think it was like baseball and if it doesn't have Barbara, um, what's your name? Barbara Crampton. Yeah.
01:28:44
Speaker
Yeah, if it doesn't have her in it, I just really don't care. Yeah, yeah. I can't get into it. I was like, no, because I'm trying to watch as much Lovecraft as I can. That's on that's available. I definitely recommend the void. It definitely has some like carpenter esque like creatures in it. And then there's like, it's got madness and cults and stuff like that. I mean, the acting wasn't, you know, great. It's not a plus. It's more like.
01:29:13
Speaker
BC, but it's still like the visuals and the creatures and stuff were really cool. And it doesn't take too long to get started either. And like, yeah. Well, that's the main thing. If you know you're going to watch something like and you want to see those classic like
01:29:31
Speaker
you know really good special effects that are integrated with practical filmmaking monsters like you know that that would be the biggest factor for me yeah and you know watching some practical effect creatures like and it was i thought it was really well done it's probably like the most lovecrafting movie that's not based on lovecraft stuff that that's yeah
01:29:54
Speaker
That's how that's how much it was like it captured kind of a little bit of everything from So yeah, I guess I guess that does it if unless you have anything else
01:30:05
Speaker
No, I mean, you know, we got a little bit off topic at the end, but, you know, that's what we're going to be talking about in like either. Well, probably in at least in our next, like probably two or three podcasts by that time, the series will end it. And well, no, I mean, if it's only on episode three, how many episodes is in this season? Is it seven episodes? It might be 10. Let me double check real quick.
01:30:33
Speaker
But yeah, we'll definitely do one like right as it ends after you've watched it. So I thought it was only seven because I thought I thought we'd be able to talk about like within the next few weeks. You know, obviously, if it's 10 episodes, we won't be talking about for another couple months. Oh, it ends on our birthday, October 18. Really? Yeah. So maybe we can do one.
Travel plans and remote recording
01:30:58
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, I guess you could catch up and then watch that episode that night.
01:31:03
Speaker
I may be in Texas, so I do not know. I'm going there on the 21st. 21st of September? 21st of September, and I'll be back the 19th of October. Okay. We can do it when you get back then. I mean, unless, you know,
01:31:23
Speaker
Things deteriorate even more than they already have, in which case I may not be. But I mean, hell, I mean, it doesn't matter if I'm here or in China. I mean, we can still, uh, do the cast. Yeah. As long as I have wifi. Yeah. I'm just saying, as long as you catch stuff on the show too.
01:31:42
Speaker
Yeah, no, I will be caught up on by time
Recommendations for Jason Bateman's work
01:31:45
Speaker
ends. But, you know, I know we got a little off track, but for anyone that has not checked out the work of Jason Bateman in the last few years.
01:31:56
Speaker
Uh, I would seriously suggest like, um, you getting into that Ozark, like I said, it's not like your typical horror, but I definitely think has, um, definitely merits mentioned on this platform and the outsider was excellent. It really was. I mean, there were some things I did not like.
01:32:15
Speaker
But for the most part, I thought like it was extremely like on the edge of your seat, like suspense are. And, um, I really enjoyed it. You really enjoyed it. And, um, you know, if you have not watched it, um, you should definitely check it out. And even if you have like, feel free to post an opinion or, you know, an insult, whatever. Yeah. Let us know what you think. We'd like to
Engagement and sign-off
01:32:40
Speaker
know who's listening.
01:32:41
Speaker
And we'll get back to you on what we think about the gift as well. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Thanks for listening. Be safe out there. Join the group. Join the discussion on Facebook. And subscribe to us on iTunes. I'm Doc. Hi, I'm Keck, as always. It was good talking with you, Doc. And yeah, we'll look forward to having another discussion in the not too distant future, hopefully.
01:33:11
Speaker
All right, thanks.