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Rose Plate Special: Golden Bachelorette Joan - Weeks 4 & 5
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We're back with another double episode! 2 times the fun in the same amount of time! We jump back and forth a bit between weeks 4 and 5, so bear with us. Do we already know who "the one" is at the end of this? And who stands the best chance at being the Golden Bachelor? Keep watching and listening for our takes.
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Network Overview
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popculturediner
Hello.
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Steve
Oh, hello.
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popculturediner
I'm Sammy.
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Steve
And I'm Steve.
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popculturediner
And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic. ah I have nothing. Oh, oh, disco sticking is bowling.
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Steve
Ew.
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popculturediner
Bowling dating is plant planting is to recap podcast of The Bachelorette Ever Golden Bachelorette Ever.
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Steve
Ever, ever.
00:00:44
popculturediner
Yeah, um and I feel so bad because I literally never do the full plug at the beginning or the end. And I'm sure, um you know, our assistant is like cursing our name every single time.
00:00:58
popculturediner
So I'm actually going to start doing it. So if you're confused, if you're here for the first time, first of all, welcome. We are Roseplate special, but we are under pop culture diner. And really, the idea is there are some other podcasts that you can find at pop culture diner, including like horror stuff and hopefully more stuff in the future.
00:01:14
popculturediner
But right now it is like mainly bachelor content.
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Steve
Mm-hmm Just us
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popculturediner
So if you're, yeah, it's just us. So if you're confused, that's why. But you can go way back and you can watch some really good, well, listen to some really good horror podcasts and hopefully there'll be more to come. But right now, that's what you get. um And you can find us on popculturediner.com. You can find us on iTunes. You can find us wherever you found us to listen or watch this. We're on YouTube. We're on TikTok. um We're on Instagram. And um I know very little about our Instagram, but I know we're on there.
00:01:47
popculturediner
So, so there's that. So there's that.
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Steve
We're there.
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popculturediner
But I'm on TikTok a lot.
Social Media Presence and Engagement
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popculturediner
So if you want to, you know, find me, you can find me on TikTok. And I don't know, where are you mostly?
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Steve
um not I'm not really posting.
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popculturediner
The ether?
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Steve
i'm i'm a I'm like in the ether, I'm out there. you could I guess I post on Twitter more than anything else, um but you know i why not?
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popculturediner
Yeah.
00:02:05
popculturediner
Oh, my gosh, you're still there.
00:02:08
Steve
like what you know when When the ship is sinking, the the rats are the last to scurry off, isn't that right?
00:02:09
popculturediner
Why not?
00:02:14
popculturediner
That's fair.
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Steve
so
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popculturediner
That's true. Yeah, that's true. i've I'm well known for jumping off of ships before they
Halloween Traditions and Plans
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popculturediner
sink. um That's I've got a good track record of that. So I'm not there anymore. Well, I look every once in a while.
00:02:26
popculturediner
I still this is so random. I still have ah like a weird character Twitter account. that I never got rid of. um That I was like, I like did a couple like Twitter characters.
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popculturediner
They were all like very boring. One was like mid a Midwestern mom who was talking about like making casseroles and watching the Packers.
00:02:46
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:02:49
popculturediner
And then basically me. And then there was another one that was like a normal, it's just called normal office guy. And it would just be like, oh, I can't wait to get home and watch friends.
00:03:01
popculturediner
Like it was just shit like that. So I'll like log into those accounts to like see what's going on every once in a while, because I still haven't gotten rid of those.
00:03:09
Steve
and Okay, well, I can tell you, if you're into the idea of following me as an individual, I am on every single platform, and you will see almost no content whatsoever.
00:03:11
popculturediner
ah
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Steve
So, you know, it'd be great.
00:03:21
popculturediner
Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, you'll see.
00:03:23
Steve
I bring a lot of value to your life, let me tell you.
00:03:25
popculturediner
Yeah. And for me, you'll see a lot of content all at the same time and then nothing for three months.
00:03:31
Steve
It's good, it's good.
00:03:33
popculturediner
That's that's what I do. um But.
00:03:35
Steve
We've mastered this thing called social media, folks.
00:03:37
popculturediner
Yeah, we're really good at it. People pay us to do it. It's really weird. um So anyway, ah that's my way of also saying, sorry, we are gone again for two weeks this time.
00:03:40
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:03:47
popculturediner
It's all Steve's fault.
00:03:48
Steve
That's literally my fault, yeah.
00:03:49
popculturediner
It's not my fault.
00:03:50
Steve
had Had a bit of a family medical emergency, and then i was I was in Canada for a week after that, so it happens.
00:03:51
popculturediner
No, no.
00:03:56
popculturediner
How dare you?
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Steve
Sometimes you sometimes you're just on...
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popculturediner
How dare you have family and work and important life things going on?
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Steve
Yeah.
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popculturediner
So rude.
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Steve
i Listen, if if I'm not eating fresh mussels on Prince Edward Island, who's gonna do it? It's either me or no one.
00:04:08
popculturediner
Yeah, that was like a pretty nice photo. Yeah. And you're in the bur months. So that means it's OK. That's what I've learned.
00:04:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:04:15
popculturediner
If you're in the bur months, that's when you should eat that stuff.
00:04:15
Steve
Yes.
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popculturediner
um I was really busy um waiting in line to get my winter jelly box.
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Steve
Exactly.
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popculturediner
So that's what I was doing as a subscriber.
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Steve
Mm.
00:04:27
popculturediner
Now, I'm not just some normie insider.
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Steve
Yes.
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popculturediner
I am a valued subscriber.
00:04:31
Steve
Yeah. Inner circle, Gilly member.
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popculturediner
So.
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Steve
This is, this is what the the value of the podcast brings.
00:04:35
popculturediner
Finally made it.
00:04:38
popculturediner
Yeah, I finally made it to Julie's inner circle and I'm so excited. I also got pastel Halloween nails and they're going to be different. Probably the next time we record, they'll probably be my Lisa Frankenstein's own nails.
00:04:49
popculturediner
I'm sure you can't even see it. You can't even see it.
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Steve
Whoa.
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popculturediner
and that I can't, I'm trying to do it. And then I'm hitting my microphone. Can you tell they're like spooky?
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Steve
I like it.
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popculturediner
Okay. I just had to show somebody cause not enough people have seen them since I got them.
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Steve
No, it's it's almost like a 90s Nickelodeon thing, so you're doing good. and
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popculturediner
I said I want, i yeah, I was like, I want pastel Halloween and they're all different. But the ones with the stitches are really cool. Gosh, you can't see that at all. This is such high quality content that i'm I'm sticking my pinky in your face.
00:05:19
popculturediner
Okay, I'll figure it out later. You know what? I've got a piece of paper. um But yeah, I've been doing that. I've been trying to figure out my computer build and, oh, there we go. And I got my full costume.
00:05:30
popculturediner
are Do you have a costume for Halloween? What what are you going as?
00:05:33
Steve
I got I got nothing. I got nothing.
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popculturediner
You got nothing?
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Steve
I have nothing.
00:05:36
popculturediner
What are you doing?
00:05:36
Steve
Yeah, I so and I feel bad too, because I have to work. So I'm not going to be around for the weekend before Halloween. In addition to that, we live in a neighborhood with ah zero trick or treaters.
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Steve
So
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popculturediner
Yeah, it's kind of a weird road that you're on.
00:05:50
Steve
Oh, yeah, it's well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm on a major road and I think like the general makeup of the neighborhood that I'm in, it it's like an equal mix of like strictly religion religious and we don't fuck with Halloween and we're very old and retired.
00:05:51
popculturediner
Yeah.
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popculturediner
oh
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Steve
So yeah, that's fine.
00:06:11
popculturediner
That's kind of sad. We live in like we move to like a you know a sitcom neighborhood where like you know everybody's out on Halloween and like we were they're trick-or-treating on Halloween.
00:06:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:21
popculturediner
So I was like, okay. And we've been getting dressed up the last three Halloweens for the trick-or-treaters.
00:06:27
Steve
Hmm.
00:06:27
popculturediner
And a couple of years ago, we did Beetlejuice and Chucky. And last year we did Wayne's World, which was kind of like phoning it in, I felt like. um But this year we're doing like Lisa Frankenstein and we're going like all out.
00:06:38
popculturediner
And I got the costume and everything and very excited.
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Steve
Nice.
00:06:41
popculturediner
Now I got to figure out how to do Tuck's makeup. um But he got like the outfit and everything. And that was I mean, I still think that's one of my favorite movies this year that I don't know if it's number one, but it's like top three for sure.
00:06:53
popculturediner
So very excited about that.
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Steve
I could see that.
00:06:56
popculturediner
Yeah, it's a very me movie.
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Steve
It's again, it's one of those things where, yeah, I'm like literally like, as I was watching, I was like, this is nice. And then I'm going through like my my brain Rolodex and I'm like, who do I know where this would be their favorite movie ever?
00:07:08
Steve
And it's like, you and like, ah one of my friends from high school, who's like entire like personality was, I like Tim Burton.
00:07:19
Steve
So yeah, like it's it's cool.
00:07:20
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, it's like, I mean, really for me, it was like, ah hey, did you like Heathers?
00:07:21
Steve
It's fine. It's good.
00:07:28
popculturediner
And I'm like, yeah, it's like half of my personality.
00:07:29
Steve
yeah
00:07:31
popculturediner
And they're like, well, we made you another Heathers. And I'm like, thank you for making me another Heathers.
00:07:35
Steve
Yeah It is it is it's it's Tim Burton II Heather's basically yeah, that's a good way of putting it Everything is working in your favor.
00:07:37
popculturediner
So that's, yeah yeah. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. And I was also obsessed with Lisa Frank growing up. So like the pun works and everything. Um, yeah, yeah.
00:07:48
Steve
I love that for you
00:07:50
popculturediner
So anyway, so yeah, that's, that's been the exciting stuff here. We're like getting our
Podcast Hiatus and Return
00:07:54
popculturediner
costumes together. It's like spooky season and I, I'm going to go see the substance tonight. I'm going to go see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice tomorrow.
00:08:00
popculturediner
So like, I'm trying to catch up on like all the Halloween things.
00:08:01
Steve
Oh man. i'm I'm just bummed out because I got invited to a party that I can't attend.
00:08:04
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:08:08
Steve
And it's for, it's a Halloween costume party slash Quinceañera for their cat.
00:08:09
popculturediner
Oh.
00:08:16
Steve
So yeah, and it's not, and it's it's a hairless cat too.
00:08:16
popculturediner
Oh my God, that I would be so sad to miss that.
00:08:20
Steve
So it just looks naturally like a weird little scrotum monster and I love him.
00:08:21
popculturediner
Oh, I think you're back.
00:08:24
Steve
ah But yeah, I can't go.
00:08:28
popculturediner
Were you gone for a second?
00:08:30
Steve
You were gone for a second.
00:08:31
popculturediner
Oh.
00:08:31
Steve
It's it's okay.
00:08:32
popculturediner
No, it was you.
00:08:32
Steve
We'll figure it out.
00:08:33
popculturediner
OK, I'm going to we're going to blame this all on you today. No, I'm just kidding. um That's so cute. We don't have like, yeah, we need more parties. Not necessarily. The thing is, I don't really need much of an excuse at all to dress up.
00:08:45
popculturediner
I'll just dress up like I've dressed up for Twitch streams. Should I dress up for like our recording?
00:08:48
Steve
Yeah. When you're savvy, every day is Halloween.
00:08:53
popculturediner
Yeah, that's true. um Yeah, I should dress up for our recording, I think. So I will.
00:08:57
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:57
popculturediner
I'll dress up as Lisa Frankenstein for our recording.
00:09:00
Steve
Okay. I'm going to have to step my game up.
00:09:01
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:09:02
Steve
I'm going to go into my big box of costumes. I'll have to bust something out.
00:09:06
popculturediner
Yeah, because I'll probably be coming on like right after trick or treaters are gone. So, um yeah, so I'll be all I'll be all dressed up.
00:09:11
Steve
It's going to
00:09:13
popculturediner
ah But anyway, we've got a lot to catch up on.
00:09:14
Steve
be good.
00:09:17
popculturediner
We can't we can't be just like dicking around for this long.
00:09:18
Steve
Oh my God. No, we got a, we had two episodes to cruise through.
00:09:20
popculturediner
She's Louise.
00:09:21
Steve
Holy. Yeah.
00:09:22
popculturediner
I know, I know.
00:09:22
Steve
Come on.
00:09:23
popculturediner
OK, and so, yeah, so. All right. um Oh, yeah, this. Oh, and it's the strip tease day. Wow. OK, so.
00:09:31
Steve
is it Is it odd that we've gotten like back to back seasons that are hyper focused on Chippendales? Is there some sort of like Chippendales promotional deal that we're not privy to?
00:09:41
popculturediner
Was it Chippendales or was it Thunder Down Under?
00:09:44
Steve
I think actually you're right. It was Thunder from Down Under last time and now it's Chippendales.
00:09:47
popculturediner
ah
00:09:47
Steve
So maybe Chippendales came in and they're like, hey, why not come to us? And then they're like, okay, we'll give you a deal.
00:09:52
popculturediner
Yeah. I think what's really cool though about this one in particular is that they had like the original
Chippendales Date and Contestant Performances
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popculturediner
Chippendales dancers. Like I thought that was really neat.
00:10:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:10:03
popculturediner
So um yeah.
00:10:03
Steve
Who still look great, by the way, like that's not fair at all.
00:10:06
popculturediner
he Yeah, I mean, this was like, this was like a fun day. I was like, you know, is this going to be like, kind of, you know, cringy or whatever, but like, they all I think the reason it worked so well is because all the men put their all into it and they like, it was the effort was like right there.
00:10:15
Steve
Mm hmm. Oh, totally.
00:10:25
popculturediner
And, um except you know, so all the men were on the date, except for Jordan and Guy. um And the men all had to like learn a routine and they had to pick out outfits and um Gary picked the Nutty Professor and Jonathan picked Sergeant Sexy and Charles had like just like a Hawaiian shirt, I guess.
00:10:41
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:10:44
popculturediner
um And then they danced to disco stick, which was amazing.
00:10:49
Steve
Yeah, and Caitlin Bristow could not handle her shit. She was just like, she was dying.
00:10:53
popculturediner
No.
00:10:54
Steve
Yeah, it was great to watch.
00:10:54
popculturediner
That was like a perfect thing. I know. OK, I feel like I haven't dug into this as much. I feel like Caitlin gets like so much hate and I don't totally get it.
00:11:04
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:11:04
popculturediner
um I'm not saying that she's perfect and I'm not saying she hasn't like put her foot in her mouth or whatever, but she just gets like in a level of hate that like former most former bachelorettes don't get.
00:11:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:14
popculturediner
It's very weird anyway. Um, I think that this was like the right date for her. It was like perfect. And yeah, the way she reacted was very fun. Um, Jonathan was definitely one of the best people for the strip Tuesday.
00:11:27
popculturediner
And he was like, I've never done this before. And then Keith is like, this is my dream. I've always wanted to do this.
00:11:32
Steve
Yeah, which I love for Keith. It's like, yeah, what are what are your lifelong dreams? And for Keith, it's just like, I just always wanted to like raise a family and be a good person and also be a stripper.
00:11:42
popculturediner
Yeah, good for you, Keith.
00:11:43
Steve
Sure, Keith. Whatever, man.
00:11:44
popculturediner
Like, that's amazing.
00:11:45
Steve
Good for you, brother.
00:11:46
popculturediner
Yeah, um...
00:11:46
Steve
Same with me, Keith. Honestly, like that's my career goal. Imagine me being able to throw away a nine to five so I can just you take off my pants and windmill my business around like that.
00:11:57
Steve
Who doesn't want to do that? But unfortunately, it's it's a life I don't think I'll ever be able to live.
00:12:03
popculturediner
I'm sorry for your loss. Um...
00:12:06
Steve
It's okay. At least, at least Keith, I got, I got to live vicariously through Keith. Like he got to live out of streams, so.
00:12:10
popculturediner
Yeah. You know, what's funny is I've been um so I'm in it. I'm in like a three a.m. class right now, which is ah brutal. um Here's Walter.
00:12:19
Steve
Wait, ah what a three AM?
00:12:21
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm taking a class at three a.m. I have two more weeks left. It's been three weeks already. Well, it's a global class, um so that's why it's at three a.m.
00:12:31
Steve
Okay.
00:12:31
popculturediner
And ah it's funny because on my side, youre you were frozen for a second and it was like this.
00:12:37
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:12:38
popculturediner
You were like that over the microphone.
00:12:40
Steve
That's how I feel about 3 a.m.
00:12:40
popculturediner
It's really funny.
00:12:41
Steve
classes. Yeah, this just mouth agape.
00:12:42
popculturediner
Yeah, that's how you feel. um So anyway, so yeah, so it's a global class. Like most of the people are in other countries. Like there's not a lot of us in North America from what I can tell.
00:12:52
popculturediner
um And the host of the class is like in Sydney. um But anyway, that doesn't really have everything to do with it.
00:12:55
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:12:58
popculturediner
It has to do with the fact that I feel like so disjointed right now. So like if I say weird shit, it's just because like I'm not sleeping normal. It's like I have won three to five a.m. class on Thursday and it fucks up my entire week.
00:13:11
Steve
Oh yeah, that just ruins your life.
00:13:11
popculturediner
Like I'm just like I'm like I can't sleep anymore after I like I'm like, I don't know how I I pulled the most like wild shit in you know Like in college I was doing 5 a.m. DJ sessions.
00:13:22
popculturediner
I would stay up until 5 a.m. I would DJ I would do laundry because nobody was in the laundry room and then I would like sleep until two or three and get brunch before it closed and Then just like the next day it was just like it was normal I'm like, how did I do that?
00:13:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:36
popculturediner
And now and now it's like
00:13:36
Steve
No, you can't destroy your body like that anymore.
00:13:39
popculturediner
Yeah and now it's like okay well I'll get to bed like I went to bed around eight ish okay and I was like tired and I went to bed and I woke up at like 2 30 and I did this class and then I went back to sleep for like an hour and then I went to campus and did class and then I like still napped again in the afternoon and and still on Friday I was like I felt ah like like I probably slept like a normal amount of hours between all that and I was still like it wasn't enough rim or whatever but anyway in this class we're doing some this is like such a long way to tell this story in this class we're doing um like he's encouraged us to do the artist way like the morning pages and all that stuff are you familiar with that do you know what I'm talking about I feel like
00:14:00
Steve
yeah Oh my God.
00:14:23
Steve
Yeah, that's the thing that's been around for a while, right?
00:14:26
popculturediner
It's been around forever. Yeah, yeah, it's like been around forever. It's basically like, you know, to engage with your creative self, like write three long form pages, um you know, by hand every morning and like once a week, take yourself on an artist date and like go on a walk in nature. And I was like, these are all things I like doing ah independently. So I'll commit to this and you know see see this through throughout the class and I'm trying to get through like the 12-week journal and see where how I feel afterwards and um one of the prompts I was writing this morning was like what's and what's something you wanted to it was about art but it was like what what did you want to do when you were a kid like artistically and like if you had another life
00:15:08
popculturediner
um What would you want to do focus more on when you're younger? And I mean, I feel pretty lucky because I was never discouraged from doing art as a kid. Like my dad was an artist and a musician.
00:15:20
popculturediner
And like, so if he was like, art is stupid and not worth your time. That would be like kind of weird.
00:15:25
Steve
Yeah, that'd be amazing.
00:15:26
popculturediner
Yeah, so I was like I don't know maybe like painting or metal work or but I think you the Certain things you should do when you're older and I did the right things when I was younger or whatever But anyway, what I'm trying to say is don't let your dreams be dreams Steve Okay if if you feel like you missed out and it's too late cuz like I had to write down like it's too late in my life to do this because and I was like Well, this prompt doesn't really work for me because I've never felt that way about anything ever I'm that I've never been the kind of person who's like it's too late for this.
00:15:53
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:15:55
popculturediner
I'm like not for grabs I control time. um So don't let your dreams be dreams. If you decide you want to be a stripper, listen, I'm here to support you.
00:16:02
Steve
Now, thank you so much.
00:16:03
popculturediner
And, you know, I'll bring dollars and and I'll bring one of those, like but that thing, you know, that shoots several all of them out.
00:16:05
Steve
Thank you.
00:16:09
Steve
You know, and and and the thing is, is like I feel like my heart's there.
00:16:10
popculturediner
I'll do that.
00:16:13
Steve
and but But the problem that I'm running into, it's not my desire.
00:16:13
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:16:17
Steve
It's that I don't know if there is an audience for viewing me partially nude. I just don't think it's there. So ah we're gonna we're gonna have to build an audience.
00:16:23
popculturediner
You know, I mean, we'll ask the listeners.
00:16:28
popculturediner
Anyway, so sorry, that took like so, that took so long to tell that story, but I thought it would be worth it.
00:16:30
Steve
Keith, let's start it let's start a dance troupe. Let's do it, Keith.
00:16:36
popculturediner
Anyway, so you're welcome, you're welcome.
00:16:36
Steve
Thank you.
00:16:39
popculturediner
So Pascal also came out really strong in this. Gary did like, I just wrote, Gary is doing a little butt thing and then just rips his shirt. Cause that's what he did. Chalk had like, he had like the original Chippendales collar and he's like, ladies like the tush.
00:16:55
popculturediner
And Chalk we see in this episode and in the next episode, he's just like going in strong. You know, he's just like, I'm going in for the kiss. I'm getting what I want. This is what, you know, we're end game. This is it.
00:17:05
popculturediner
And you kind of see that start to develop in like this episode. um And then they all do their routine.
00:17:09
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:17:11
popculturediner
And it was also like for stand up to cancer. And I cried at the end. I was like, this is so sweet.
00:17:17
Steve
Yeah, it was it was so nice. Like stripping has never been this like wholesome and warm and cuddly.
00:17:20
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:23
Steve
ah But that's like everything on this season.
00:17:23
popculturediner
It was so empowering.
00:17:25
Steve
Yeah, it was great.
00:17:25
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:26
Steve
It was great.
00:17:27
popculturediner
It was so good.
00:17:27
Steve
ah A few takeaways from me is like, I love chalk, like his arc now. of I still can't like just because it's chalk, like just then I can't deal with the name.
00:17:37
popculturediner
Yeah, I know.
00:17:37
Steve
It it kills me on the inside. i'm I'm trying to get there. I'm working on me to be more supportive of you chalk. But it's It's been amazing watching him go from this like guy who didn't seem to exude a lot of confidence and being kind of a mid-tier dude to just suddenly kind of making his way into the pole position despite incredible personal strife later in in this episode.
00:17:57
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:01
Steve
So good for you, Chuck. like Everybody's kind of finding their groove now, which is nice.
00:18:06
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:06
Steve
um Also, and I'm curious on your feelings, thoughts on this,
Contestant Analysis and Eliminations
00:18:12
popculturediner
Mmhmm.
00:18:12
Steve
i I have been a big Pascal supporter from the start just because he's he's fun. He's good TV. Like, I just like to watch him.
00:18:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:19
Steve
I still don't see Pascal as a long term viable partner option for Joan or maybe anyone that I can think of.
00:18:30
Steve
Like, do you see a world where Pascal is like that guy?
00:18:35
popculturediner
Well, I don't know if Pascal is that guy for Joan, but I am a big fan and I know at least one of his daughters is like pretty active on TikTok and has been like sharing photos and stories and stuff and, and, which is really cute.
00:18:44
Steve
Okay. That's nice.
00:18:48
popculturediner
um What I will say is, and I got to remember who who did it. It's another bachelor podcast. I think they're like, ah they're like, I think it's called the batch maker.
00:18:57
Steve
Mhm.
00:19:00
popculturediner
I will make sure to take them but um they did like a really good matching of like golden bachelor women and golden bachelorette men based on like who's single and who's left and who they think would be good together.
00:19:13
Steve
Mhm.
00:19:17
popculturediner
And um they had said April and Pascal and I think that's kind of an ace pairing.
00:19:24
Steve
I can see that that actually works for me.
00:19:25
popculturediner
Yeah, I think that that could, they could like even each other out.
00:19:26
Steve
Okay. I like that.
00:19:29
popculturediner
Like she's kooky enough that like, you know, he would think that's fun. And I don't think she would think it's weird that, you know, I don't know that he's like high maintenance.
00:19:41
popculturediner
I think she would think that's cool too. So like, I don't know.
00:19:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:44
popculturediner
I don't know how April feels about this, but I thought that that was kind of a good idea for a pairing. i the the Based on who's left, You know, not to move too far forward, you know, at the end of episode five, I would say what Joan is looking for is just a guy.
00:19:53
Steve
Mhm.
00:20:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:02
popculturediner
Not to not to be derogatory, but just like she's not looking like because I'm like, oh, my gosh, like Jonathan is like amazing, empathetic, like a frickin model.
00:20:14
popculturediner
Like he's like he's just like a gorgeous inside and out person. um You know, but again, well, I mean, I I don't know. I'm i'm baffled.
00:20:25
popculturediner
we We just do have to skip to this, I guess, because I was like, Oh my God, like some of my favorites are gone. Cause like Keith was gone and Jonathan was gone in one fell swoop.
00:20:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:33
popculturediner
And, and I mean, Keith is also just a guy. I mean, he's like, you know, girl dad, like such, such a, such a dad dad. I don't know. You know what I mean?
00:20:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:43
popculturediner
Such a stereotypical dad. And I really thought that that's kind of the guy she was looking for. I was like, Keith seems like the archetype of the type of guy that Jones looking for. So when he left, I was like, oh gosh, this doesn't make sense. But then Jonathan left at the same time. So it is interesting because she's kind of got a mix. I would put like Pascal more like.
00:21:01
popculturediner
in the Jonathan category and then like chalk, you know, more in like the Keith category. You know what I'm saying? Like out out of some of the guys who are left, I mean, guy is also not just a guy.
00:21:09
Steve
Sure.
00:21:14
popculturediner
um We also have to talk about guy because shit came out about him, too. So like not not great.
00:21:19
Steve
Oh, eventually we knew it was going to happen.
00:21:23
popculturediner
I guess you should have trusted your instincts on on Guy, because yeah, it's not looking good.
00:21:26
Steve
Oh, OK.
00:21:28
popculturediner
um Because there was another like stalking thing.
00:21:29
Steve
I still I still support his his bromance with Captain Lee when no one would sing with Captain Lee.
00:21:33
popculturediner
Yeah. Listen, you know, we stand Kim and in this on this podcast. But yeah, I just I don't that was weird. um Whatever happened with him, it sounds like very similar to what was going on with.
00:21:47
popculturediner
um Oh, my gosh, I'm completely blanking right now because I blocked him out of my mind so much because I was so excited about him. And then.
00:21:53
Steve
Oh, your, your West coast academic turned guy like being weird.
00:21:55
popculturediner
Yeah. What's his name? Oh, my gosh, I'm forgetting. Anyway, yeah, so I'm glad I just blocked him out completely because my brain's just going, nope, Gil.
00:22:04
Steve
Gil.
00:22:06
popculturediner
I was like, it's another G name, but it's not Guy. Yeah, Gil. Yeah. So, um yeah, I mean, I think. Well, gosh, OK, now I know we're skipping all over the place, but um and it's my fault.
00:22:21
popculturediner
um But so let's just talk about the end of episode five. We'll just mix these two together because I think we have to.
00:22:25
Steve
Mix it together. It's okay.
00:22:26
popculturediner
You know, we've got Pascal, we've got chalk, we've got Guy and we've got Jordan. And I would say like chalk and Jordan are like just a guy and Pascal and Guy are like fancier.
00:22:33
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:22:36
popculturediner
You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying.
00:22:37
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:22:38
popculturediner
And there's nothing wrong with just a guy either.
00:22:41
Steve
Oh. Nothing wrong with being just a guy. Just a dude.
00:22:43
popculturediner
Yeah. But I feel like that's like her her late husband. To me, the way she talks about him seems a lot more like Chalk or Jordan and less like Pascal or Guy.
00:22:53
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:22:56
popculturediner
And so what I'm trying to figure out is, does she want to move in that direction or does she want something completely different? Um, the only person out of the final four that I really think she has like very clear chemistry with is chalk.
00:23:10
Steve
Yeah,
00:23:11
popculturediner
So I'm just kind of like, I don't really see this turning out any other way.
00:23:16
Steve
yeah
00:23:17
popculturediner
But I don't know, like and and that's the thing, because I thought I thought when I talked about Final Four, I had Keith in there, I
00:23:17
Steve
yeah.
Bachelor Episode Structure and Speculations
00:23:25
popculturediner
had Jonathan in there and I think I had Mark in there and maybe it was chalk.
00:23:30
popculturediner
I can't remember the fourth one that I had put in there, but I know that those three were in my Final Four. I know that three of them are gone. It's like. What the heck?
00:23:41
popculturediner
I don't know. How are you? How are you feeling about everything?
00:23:45
Steve
It's, I don't know, it's it's been weird because I think, especially when you get into the latest episode and you're getting the, ah just just the arc of the whole episode, which is here's a guy who on paper is good, but actually isn't a fit.
00:24:01
Steve
and we're And this is a classic Bachelor episode.
00:24:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:24:03
Steve
It's just like, we all know as the audience, this guy's cooked, right? Like he's done. And we're watching him just kind of slowly crumble, and there's that little bit of sadness. And then the B-plot is Keith's anxiety about where his position is and how he thinks he's on good footing, but maybe he isn't. And and then really, like that's that's it. That's the whole thrust of the narrative, right? And then the twist, because you've got to have a twist, is who we, the audience, believe is the front runner is suddenly gone. ah So it kind of throws everything in a disarray.
00:24:36
Steve
ah but I would agree with you that just watching this, guys that have flown under the radar or maybe have been slow to start are the ones that Jones seems to be keeping around more. Because if you if you look at these guys, you've got Jordan, who was just an anxious mess. You've got Chuck, who came out of nowhere. Pascal's been pretty strong, but I don't think he's ever been positioned as someone that we should take seriously.
00:25:07
Steve
And then you've got guy who his entire thing was, isn't it crazy how handsome I am? That's wild. Look at me. The most handsome man you've ever seen. Also, I'm a doctor. Did I mention I'm a doctor? And then all of a sudden we we get this this nice undercoat. Oh, maybe there's some substance here because of his whole thing with Captain Kim. But what I'm learning is.
00:25:30
Steve
the typical bachelor-bachelorette rules are not necessarily following through to completion here. Like, I don't know if like these front runners were ever in a position of strength. So it's cool to fly under the radar with Joan, which now I'm looking at who's left and I'm like, well, I mean, who's gonna win? I guess Jordan will win because he's the one I have the least amount of confidence in winning. So therefore it makes the most sense.
00:25:58
popculturediner
Yeah, that would be weird, I think. um I mean, I could see it.
00:26:02
Steve
Yeah, what's the least likely scenario? And that's what I'm voting for.
00:26:04
popculturediner
Yeah, I could see it. I think the least likely scenario at this point is Pascal, but that's just me. I mean, I just I think that's the least likely thing to happen.
00:26:10
Steve
Yeah, I would agree. I just I cannot conceive of that, right?
00:26:14
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:14
Steve
But he's he's always been right up there. But I understand why it's because he's a good time.
00:26:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:20
Steve
And he's funny. And he's got a French accent. And he and he's a handsome man. So yeah, French, funny, handsome. Like what else do you want a guy?
00:26:28
popculturediner
Yeah, I think he's like a great dude.
00:26:28
Steve
But I also like
00:26:30
popculturediner
I just don't think he's like the right fit for Joan. I don't think it makes sense.
00:26:33
Steve
Exactly.
00:26:35
popculturediner
Yeah, like I think he's really, he's really good TV.
00:26:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:37
popculturediner
He's really fun. I'm sure he's a great guy. Like, but yeah, I just don't see it.
00:26:39
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:26:41
popculturediner
I just don't see it meshing. And also like out of all the men, you know, the only person who's left who's making any kind of an effort is chalk. Literally no other man is making that level of effort.
00:26:54
popculturediner
So, you know, and it's like, I, I thought Keith and Mark were pretty strong front runners and I thought they were also making decent effort. They were at least, you know, like they were trying to do special things. They were, you know, Keith was trying to like smooth out an awkward conversation that he had had an episode for like.
00:27:12
popculturediner
and And it still like wasn't enough because like it there just wasn't something there for Joan.
00:27:18
Steve
who
00:27:18
popculturediner
um But I mean, gosh, you know and I hate to say it, um but I also wonder if she ends up with anybody.
00:27:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:27
Steve
yeah
00:27:27
popculturediner
i like i mean you know And maybe they had you know Gary come on here to like ah do some kind of foreshadowing. you know like I don't know.
00:27:36
Steve
Yeah. Hey, Joan, maybe it won't work out, but you know.
00:27:38
popculturediner
and
00:27:42
popculturediner
He's like, do you think your your man is here in this room? um
00:27:46
Steve
Uh, if it doesn't work out though, feel free to call me on my home landline phone.
00:27:53
popculturediner
Anyway, so I mean, I hope she ends up with somebody because she's so sweet and great. But I just I'm a little worried at this point in the game about it, um which producers also do.
00:28:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:04
Steve
Mm-hmm. Are you ready for? Are you ready for Golden Bachelor season two starring Jonathan when he drops the teaser line after he goes home? Maybe my journey is just beginning.
00:28:15
Steve
Are you kidding me? Like that like they're setting this up for you.
00:28:16
popculturediner
Well, OK. Well, all right. Well, I wish I wish I hope I wish I dream. But here's the thing. OK, there is a lot of conversation. And this is kind of what I said in the intro. ah There's a lot of conversation about how people think Mark was a producer plant who they're trying to give the Golden Bachelor edit to.
00:28:34
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:28:34
popculturediner
And that he was never going to go anywhere and that and that he is the golden bachelor. Also, there's been a lot of talk on TikTok because we haven't recorded in a while. I'm like, I'm trying not to be influenced, but I'm like seeing all these ah where people are talking about, you know, like, God,
00:28:45
Steve
Yeah.
Dancing with the Stars Updates
00:28:48
popculturediner
what is it with all these men and like and like birds and they're dead spouses?
00:28:52
Steve
Yeah, well, and I mean, of course, I guess it's like the whole show is like producer plan is such a weird phrase, but I understand what you're saying, but like in the sense that like he's got the familial ties.
00:28:53
popculturediner
You know, yeah.
00:28:59
popculturediner
Because yeah, because it's like they all are. Yeah, yeah, they're all plants.
00:29:03
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:04
popculturediner
I mean, you know, it's like they've all been chosen for the show.
00:29:04
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:29:07
popculturediner
But people are saying like he never was supposed to make it that far. And but they had to make it that far because they want him to be the Golden Bachelor.
00:29:13
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:16
popculturediner
You know, maybe it's hard to say, but I would say.
00:29:17
Steve
Mm hmm. It is hard to say, but but does he have the personality? Can he carry the can he carry a show? Because I'm not seeing that from him. He seems like warm and nice.
00:29:25
popculturediner
I just yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, if I'm really dreaming, Charles would be the Golden Bachelor, but I just don't think it's going to happen. But I mean, if I'm dreaming, if I'm dreaming, OK, but I think Jonathan is just like naturally like the best possible choice.
00:29:35
Steve
That's never gonna happen.
00:29:43
popculturediner
Like after he went home week five, I'm like, OK, so just let Jonathan be the Golden Bachelor and make a good choice here.
00:29:44
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:52
Steve
Sets itself up. Yeah, it's it should be easy.
00:29:52
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, he's got like like I said, he's got lore. You know, I said that week one.
00:29:57
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:57
popculturediner
Everybody remember um he's got a backstory. He's like an interesting guy. He's like really like sweet, thoughtful. He's good looking like he's successful.
00:30:08
popculturediner
Like I don't know what more you're looking for. Like he's got it. So just make him the Golden Bachelor.
00:30:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:14
popculturediner
It just makes perfect sense to me. And if they pick Mark, like then we know, then we know, because I don't think
00:30:18
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:30:23
popculturediner
I mean, a lot, I don't know, a lot of people like Mark on on TikTok and stuff. And I know you and I have both been pretty hesitant about it. I think he's fine.
00:30:31
Steve
Yeah, yeah, it's like what do you like a cheese pizza?
00:30:32
popculturediner
I think he's fine.
00:30:34
Steve
I'm not going to say no, but there's better things out here for me. Come on.
00:30:37
popculturediner
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, there's just people that I think are better TV. That's all.
00:30:43
Steve
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:30:43
popculturediner
um So, you know, we'll see. We'll see what happens. We'll see what shakes out. I'm still holding on hope for a golden bachelor cruise that we can see everybody, you know, like that would be.
00:30:53
Steve
That's what we need. Yeah, take these boys to Bermuda, make it happen, bring back Charles, like, come on.
00:30:59
popculturediner
That would be great. yeah i just ah we need and i yeah i weve I feel like we've been so blessed by these shows like to have this great group of women that came from the Golden Bachelor and now a great group of men from the Golden Bachelorette.
00:31:13
popculturediner
like It would be a crime to not let us watch them more.
00:31:15
Steve
Hmm.
00:31:17
popculturediner
and and watch them interact with each other like oh man i just that sounds like a delight um another thing that is like such a delight right now that i've been really enjoying and uh has been taking up a lot of my scrolling time is um jen on dancing with the stars i don't know if you've been following any of it she's i mean joey's there too joey's there too but jen on dancing with the stars
00:31:39
Steve
Hmm. Okay.
00:31:44
popculturediner
her whole like um like relationship with her dance partner has been like really sweet to watch. Have you watched any of this or is this all like outside of your realm?
00:31:53
Steve
No, I, uh, I, uh, I tuned out after week one when Anna Delvi was, uh, eliminated.
00:31:59
popculturediner
Was it week one that she was eliminated?
00:31:59
Steve
So, Oh no.
00:32:02
popculturediner
I thought it was a couple weeks in.
00:32:02
Steve
Cause nobody, no, nobody was eliminated in week one and then week two, she went home and I just, I felt really bad for her dancing partner. Cause they were like, how do you feel? And she's like, I don't care.
00:32:13
Steve
Cause she's at Adobe.
00:32:14
popculturediner
Well, no, they they asked her, they asked her, are you going to take anything away from this experience or what are you going to take away from this experience?
00:32:14
Steve
Like she can't care.
00:32:20
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:20
popculturediner
And she answered nothing.
00:32:22
Steve
Yeah, it's great.
00:32:22
popculturediner
She said nothing. And so he got that tattooed on him. He got the word nothing tattooed on him, which is pretty amazing.
00:32:29
Steve
It's good stuff.
00:32:29
popculturediner
uh but anyone like who wants to watch Jen absolutely thrive I mean this is this is I'm not a big Dancing with the Stars person but I'll like watch clips when there's people I like on it and whatever you know um and Jen and Sasha like their relationship is so cute like so wholesome so sweet and like And and like Joey's great.
00:32:55
popculturediner
Joey and Jenna are great. Jenna is a great person to have as a partner. like you know she like This is when I thought JoJo Siwa like was not going to be cringe forever was when she was on Dancing with the Stars with Jenna.
00:33:08
popculturediner
She like did so amazing. it's like Anyway, I'm not going to rant about JoJo Siwa right now. I mean, I could. She frustrates me so much, but I won't go there.
00:33:17
Steve
She's the she's my dream guest for this podcast.
00:33:19
popculturediner
dream gas for my podcast yeah I mean I just like she has so much potential and then she just like does weird shit and then I'm just like why like you're a actually good dancer and like and then you do that stuff that I'm like are you gonna give yourself whiplash like by dancing like what is going on anyway okay I don't want to rant about that I really don't
00:33:19
Steve
That's Yeah, that's the fun thing about her
00:33:41
Steve
Yeah. No, I, I, I think she's amazing too. Cause it's like you have actual talent and you choose to emphasize things that are not that talent. And also you kind of spent like three or four months of your life dressing like you shop at Harbor freight for your clothes, which is cool.
00:33:56
Steve
So yeah, I'm down with it.
00:33:56
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, and like, and her, her current girlfriend is like a choreographer and extremely talented.
00:34:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:34:04
popculturediner
And the dances that like Jojo's been doing that her girlfriend has choreographed are incredible. And everyone's like, why don't you do this all the time?
00:34:16
popculturediner
This is what you want.
00:34:16
Steve
No.
00:34:17
popculturediner
Oh my God. I got so mad.
00:34:18
Steve
Do the weird stuff.
00:34:19
popculturediner
Hold on. I got so mad. I just like spilled the topo cheek.
00:34:23
Steve
Oh my gosh.
00:34:25
popculturediner
I'm just trying to make them my electronic.
00:34:25
Steve
JoJo Siwa is causing you to stain your carpet.
00:34:28
popculturediner
Well, it's Topo Chico. It's clear, but it's on electronics. So I want to make sure, you know, we're we don't have like a fire hazard or whatever.
00:34:33
Steve
he JoJo Siwa burns your home down.
00:34:35
popculturediner
um
00:34:40
popculturediner
Yeah, all my stuff is now. Well, I shouldn't have this many beverages on my desk. It's my fault. Well, I'm building a bigger desk so then I can have more beverages. ah But anyway, so ah no, this season of Dancing with the Stars that I've seen from clips, I've literally not watched a full episode because ah Jen and Sasha provide enough content on TikTok that I'm like, I'm getting my fill.
00:35:01
Steve
Mm hmm.
Golden Bachelor Dates and Dynamics
00:35:02
popculturediner
um But they have like such like you can tell like people are saying like they have such a healing relationship like they're so good for each other and like their relationship whatever it is has been like just really kind and sweet and they spend a lot of time together outside of like you know the dancing and everything they go get pizza together and on and so cute and Um, but it's, yeah, it's very sweet.
00:35:25
popculturediner
Jen is thriving. Good for her. Like she deserves it, but it really is kind of the season for like cute friendships. Cause, um, that gymnast, Oh my gosh, I'm like, so I mean, I know his name is also Steven, but what's his full name.
00:35:34
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:35:39
popculturediner
Do you know what I'm talking about? Um, um, net Erosik.
00:35:45
Steve
Sure.
00:35:45
popculturediner
Is that how I pronounce it close?
00:35:48
Steve
I have no idea you're asking the wrong guy here, but I um believe you.
00:35:48
popculturediner
Maybe. Okay. Anyway, with his partner, Riley Arnold, they're so cute too. He's like, he was like the gymnast, you know, the, the one with like glasses who's you're like, he's just happy to be here, but he's also actually incredibly talented.
00:36:02
Steve
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy.
00:36:02
popculturediner
Amazing. Yeah. And he's just, but he's like so sweet and so earnest. So he's been doing great. And then we've got like a lot of Mar and like, you know, her partner and so it's just been like, it's like a good.
00:36:14
popculturediner
it's a good set of people and a lot of really cute friendships and then also this like one couple that is like they were definitely you know like not this like this they were definitely they were I mean they said no but then I don't I don't believe it um allegedly
00:36:18
Steve
That's nice. Uh-oh. Confirm boinking.
00:36:34
Steve
Some are saying that's the ultimate dance.
00:36:37
popculturediner
Yeah. So anyway, so that's that was a whole thing. But now they're off the show, which ah some some of the other contestants are upset about because they were like making fun of them canoodling.
00:36:48
Steve
Mmm.
00:36:49
popculturediner
So like now the comedy is gone. So anyway, um that's a whole side quest. But, you know, go check out the clips if you want to watch Jen just like living your best life. And Jonathan is still doing the um the dress list.
00:37:03
popculturediner
He's still ranking all the dresses. So that's still going on and you froze. So I'm going to keep talking until you come back. But you can find those on TikTok. He's still doing like the, you know, every week he's like, this is the best dress. This is the thing that I like the most. And, you know, this is this is the one that's still climbing the charts. I think the green mental all dress is still the one that is number one. So that is pretty cool. It's recording.
00:37:33
popculturediner
Well, we're going to just keep going and see what happens here. And we we might have to do some creative editing later. OK, we're doing your back. ah
00:37:43
Steve
I'm back, was I ever really gone? Think about it like that.
00:37:45
popculturediner
Think about it like that. Well, we'll see what happens in post. um But what I was saying is Jonathan is still doing the the dress recaps and all of that stuff, um his ranking, so you can still find those on TikTok.
00:37:55
Steve
him
00:37:57
popculturediner
And Jonathan and Jen still insist they're just friends, no funny business, strictly platonic. I don't know, we'll see. But I just wanted to do a quick little outside bachelor nation update of things that I know about.
00:38:11
popculturediner
Um, and Joey's doing great. Joey might win dancing with the stars. He's like kicking all the ass.
00:38:15
Steve
Really?
00:38:16
popculturediner
Yeah. I'm talking about Jen because she's got like, you know, this beautiful, you know, thing going on.
00:38:17
Steve
That's weird.
00:38:21
popculturediner
Like she's flourishing, whatever, but like Joey is like legitimately incredibly talented.
00:38:22
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:38:26
popculturediner
And, and a lot of people are like, could be him, could be him at the end. So, um,
00:38:30
Steve
Huh.
00:38:32
popculturediner
I mean, you know, he's like an athlete. I mean, but the thing is, there's a lot of athletes on the show this season. So um it's kind of awesome that he's like kicking so much ass. So good for you, Joey.
00:38:42
Steve
Good for him.
00:38:43
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. He's doing great. Um, anyway, so let's see. Um, yeah. So, okay. I don't think I have a lot of updates after the, ah the strip tease date. Um, it was cute. Gary, uh, grabbed his phone and had his kids say like, or said happy birthday to his kid with Joan. That was adorable.
00:39:06
popculturediner
um And then, yeah, Chalk gets the rose on this date and oh, and then, yeah. So this was like really sad because like I was like. You know, OK, so this is kind of why another reason I think Chalk is endgame, right? Because like his mom passes and he's like, I got to go. And I'm like, well, now who is it going to be? Because I thought maybe it was going to be him. So.
00:39:33
Steve
Yeah
00:39:33
popculturediner
what's gonna happen. and um And then we get into like this Jordan date, which again, like he's not fighting the awkward accusations anytime soon, because they're like, let's go ice skating.
00:39:44
Steve
No.
00:39:45
popculturediner
He's like, I'm gonna fall about 50 times. And I'm like, you better have good insurance.
00:39:47
Steve
Yeah. And the first time he falls. Oh my God. Like immediately.
00:39:51
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:39:52
Steve
I'm like, he just like shattered his tailbone. There's no way.
00:39:55
popculturediner
I know. I'm like, why are we having these seniors go ice skating who don't know how to ice skate? Like if you knew how to ice skate, that's one thing.
00:40:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:00
popculturediner
But if you don't, that seems a little scary. um Yeah.
00:40:03
Steve
Not good.
00:40:05
popculturediner
um But it was a good date for Jordan overall. He gets to open up. He talks about um getting cheated on and um how hard it was. But he was really trying to focus on the kids and make them comfortable.
00:40:17
popculturediner
um And then ah we see Ario Speedwagon comes on, the surviving members of Ario Speedwagon.
00:40:26
Steve
This is so bizarre, by the way, and bleak, yeah.
00:40:27
popculturediner
Little bleak. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:32
Steve
Ario Speedwagon is my favorite kind of classic rock band now, where it's just like, yeah, I'm going to see Journey. It's like, are you seeing Journey? Are you seeing like the guy who was the third bass player and like six of his friends?
00:40:39
popculturediner
Remnants of Journey.
00:40:44
Steve
like It's not really what you think it is.
00:40:44
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:40:46
Steve
But the other thing that's weird is, and I really tuned into that in the last couple of weeks, but just how cheap the production on this is.
00:40:57
popculturediner
a Yeah.
00:40:57
Steve
Like they're not taking big trips. All of the dates are like, okay guys, we're going bowling. Like I feel like this entire season was funded with like the average American paycheck.
00:41:08
Steve
Like that was their budgets. Like you got, you got 40 K to just do this thing. The whole season.
00:41:13
popculturediner
I mean, I feel like it was similar for the Golden Bachelor, though, like we are getting longer episodes instead of an hour.
00:41:18
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:41:21
popculturediner
We're getting an hour and a half, but they didn't really do any major travel. A lot of the dates were like, we're going to a diner. And like they had one shopping date like she had a shopping date with Pascal.
00:41:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:35
popculturediner
Like, you know, I think they did a vineyard and they did that in episode five, like You know, it's like, yeah, helicopters and whatever it like.
00:41:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:44
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't feel like they did anything like that extravagant, but I do think they deserve it.
00:41:49
Steve
sure Oh yeah, they certainly deserve it, but but this is like, I think that the original Golden Bachelor was an inexpensive production, comparatively, which makes sense because you're kind of, it's like a test balloon here.
00:41:52
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:42:01
popculturediner
You're testing it out. Yeah, you don't know if it's going to be good.
00:42:03
Steve
Yeah, yeah. But that being said, I didn't notice it as much. like it it was It was inherent in the fact that they weren't going to exotic places every other week, but when they're, oh God, am i cutting am I cutting out?
00:42:19
Steve
What's going on? Oh my God. Are you there?
00:42:22
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm here.
00:42:22
Steve
Hello. Okay. Sorry. I didn't know if I was cutting out. I keep getting like weird popups like, Hey, your stuff's busted.
00:42:28
popculturediner
Yeah, you keep going offline.
00:42:28
Steve
It's all your fault.
00:42:31
Steve
story of my life. I should stay offline, honestly.
00:42:32
popculturediner
Too much grass.
00:42:34
Steve
um Anyways, it goes somewhere else. but this is But this season of the Golden Bachelorette is where I really start to notice it, where it's like you can see the seams, basically. And this date, I was just like, oh my god, they couldn't even get an ice skating rink.
00:42:49
Steve
They're on like a sound stage in Burbank, and they just put like fake ice on the ground.
00:42:52
popculturediner
It's like the plastic I see.
00:42:55
Steve
Yeah, and then presenting two out of five guys from Mario Speedwagon.
00:42:55
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:42:59
Steve
Like, what what is going on?
00:43:01
popculturediner
Yeah, it was a little it was a little sad. um
00:43:04
Steve
Little Wisconsin State Fair.
00:43:07
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I mean, we even have, you know, an Olympic ice skating rink, um, in Milwaukee.
00:43:13
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:14
popculturediner
So that I've, that I've skated on lots of times.
00:43:15
Steve
Just saying. Yeah.
00:43:18
popculturediner
Okay.
00:43:19
Steve
Wow. Oh my gosh.
00:43:20
popculturediner
Yeah. You haven't been to the Pettit.
00:43:21
Steve
You're like Nancy Kerrigan.
00:43:23
popculturediner
Yeah. Uh, anyway, well, anyway, so, uh, yeah, the dudes are at the pool hanging out. Marcus calling Kelsey and Joey and talking about having fun. Oh yeah. So like, yeah. So afterwards that we have, they with we have this like moment at the pool and whatever. Um, and then, um, let's see.
00:43:41
popculturediner
Yeah. Guy talks about being married for 34 years. The youngest one away. He thought he had a good marriage, but they didn't have open and honest communication. And he just thinks they spent 30 years trying not to hurt hurt each other's feelings.
00:43:52
popculturediner
But yeah, there's some like I don't know everything about the guy accusations. I don't know. like I should Google it really quick.
00:43:59
Steve
I did. I did Google as soon as you said I was like, I was like, what did guy do?
00:44:00
popculturediner
OK. Oh, you hadn't heard about I thought I sent it to you.
00:44:05
Steve
No, I don't think he did.
00:44:05
popculturediner
OK, maybe I didn't send it to you.
00:44:06
Steve
Or if you did, I didn't see it or didn't read the whole article.
00:44:07
popculturediner
I thought I sent it to you like last week.
00:44:10
Steve
Um, so what I gather from it is there was the documents sealed, right?
00:44:16
popculturediner
Mhm.
00:44:18
Steve
Yeah, so it's like she filed a restraining order, a temporary restraining order against him, and the judge said no, and then she rescinded the submission of the restraining order.
00:44:30
Steve
But we don't know what's in it, and she hasn't said anything, and he didn't say anything other than nothing, ah PR speak.
00:44:37
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it was anywhere near what what's up what's up with Gil, but I was just like, oh my God, of course there's another thing. And now it could have just been like a really tense moment in like a contentious divorce where, you know, some legal counsel said, I think you should do this for this reason or whatever.
00:44:55
popculturediner
Like who knows?
00:44:56
Steve
Sure.
00:44:57
popculturediner
There's, we don't know.
00:44:57
Steve
Sure.
00:44:58
popculturediner
But I was just like, well, I don't want to talk about. guy anymore either then, but you know, who knows? Maybe that it doesn't seem like it's anywhere on the realm of like the Gill accusations like anywhere near there or like anything that Devin did.
00:45:09
Steve
Yeah. Or like burning the restraining order in a driveway.
00:45:12
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. Like Devin doing the setting it on fire and whatever.
00:45:17
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:45:17
popculturediner
Like it's, you know, I don't think he's as trash as that. um So I will be nice about it. But, you know, Uh, why they're not, you know, checking people beforehand is like kind of beyond me.
00:45:31
popculturediner
Cause I think it would be pretty easy to just find people who had no records like that and just let them be on the show.
00:45:37
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:45:38
popculturediner
Just, just, ah just advice for the future.
00:45:39
Steve
Now.
00:45:41
popculturediner
Um, um, but yeah, so Joan's mom was also like not doing well, like in the previous week and stuff. And, um, and then turns out she was doing a lot better and she's like, like, hey, thanks for sticking around and showing up for me and all that. um Pascal um pulls Joan aside and starts talking about how he wants to jump in on group dates, but he just gets nervous about it. And like, I do think he is the type of person who has like a persona that you would think he commands attention, but he doesn't actually like, but he's like shy. Like, I don't know, I get it. Ken relate, Pascal. can
00:46:19
popculturediner
Cause Chuck will always be like, you seem like the most outgoing person ever until we get to a farmer's market. And then you're like, can you go talk to them for me? And I'm like, I'm shy. I don't know. I get shy. I just don't know what to say.
00:46:33
popculturediner
Um, so like, you know, like I went and bought art, um, a few months ago from this artist that I'm now mutuals with on TikTok. And I think they're like an incredible person and whatever, but I was so scared to talk to them and like, and I'm like about to like blow, like, you know,
00:46:51
popculturediner
a good chunk of money, we'll say, on a really nice painting. And I was like scared. i you know i It's like, I'm scared to say something. like you know And he was like, before you give this person a bunch of money for art, you like should probably go talk to them.
00:47:07
Steve
no
00:47:08
popculturediner
And I'm like, OK, OK. And I get so shy. So like I get it. like in ah Especially like a group situation where there's like other people who are trying to like pull attention and stuff like in party situations or whatever,
00:47:19
popculturediner
I do not like trying to jump in. That makes me very uncomfortable.
00:47:24
Steve
yeah
00:47:26
popculturediner
um So I don't know. I get it. I can relate to Pascal, but that's not what the show is. OK, so you got to get in there.
00:47:32
Steve
No, it's not. And I feel for Pascal too, but on the other hand, I would also never put a bowling shirt directly over a polo. So I, sorry Pascal, but giving you an L this week.
00:47:42
popculturediner
Well, well, anyway, um it wasn't his fault, um so.
00:47:47
Steve
Literally an entire like portion of the narrative for the show is Joan going, and I couldn't wait to see how upset Pascal would be with what he had to wear.
00:47:56
popculturediner
Yeah, and he was like, what disease? So yeah so anyway, so ah but we're on week four right now, um a little bit.
00:47:59
Steve
What is this?
00:48:06
popculturediner
um Keith, yeah, Keith had like a weird bad date moment where she asked him a question, they just short circuited. So that wasn't great. And then um and then chalk comes back.
00:48:17
popculturediner
um And he's like, And it wasn't like fully described but it basically was like everything's taken care of for now so like I'm gonna stay here and I'm like there's no way if you're like parent passed away and like in your coming back like
00:48:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:33
popculturediner
I can't imagine that that would happen unless like producers were like, you're the one.
00:48:37
Steve
Mm
00:48:40
popculturediner
Okay. You're the one. So just like hang out for another couple of weeks and then you can go like take care of the stuff you need to take care of.
00:48:41
Steve
hmm.
00:48:46
popculturediner
And, and he's like, okay, I can manage that. I can manage that. I don't know. That's just my thought. because why the hell would he come back?
00:48:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:54
popculturediner
It just seems baffling to me.
00:48:56
Steve
I wouldn't.
00:48:57
popculturediner
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't. um So I'm just like, that has to mean something. um And they have like a moment, Joan starts talking about, you know, wearing her old ring, um you know, and kind of like, are you comfortable with that?
00:49:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:49:11
popculturediner
And like, honestly, I mean, I do the same thing. And anyone who thinks that's weird, I think sucks. So obviously he thinks that's fine and um he's talking to her about letting his armor down and he's afraid of getting hurt, but he's there for Joan and he wants to open up more to her and he's crazy about her.
00:49:27
popculturediner
And this is when I wrote the note. So is he the one? I mean, he's got to be the one, right? um And this is when I noticed that the episodes were 90 minutes long.
00:49:31
Steve
no
00:49:35
popculturediner
I was like, wait, what? um Because I had I've been watching him on demand and I watched this one live and I was like, wait a minute. um So in this first in this first ah week, and week four, Gil got cut and I just like did not want to see him anymore.
00:49:50
popculturediner
So I was like, bye.
00:49:50
Steve
No.
00:49:51
popculturediner
um And then but then Gary, Dan and Charles leave and the world is crying.
00:49:57
Steve
Oh my God. Yeah.
00:49:58
popculturediner
Oh, my God, it was so sad.
00:49:58
Steve
That's like over.
00:50:00
popculturediner
And then Gary was like, Joan made me feel like I mattered. Oh, my God. And then ah Gary made me cry a lot.
00:50:07
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:50:10
Steve
Everybody is just happy to be here.
00:50:12
popculturediner
yeah
00:50:12
Steve
They're like, you know what, it's just I met a bunch of my boys, we're best friends. I just want to live in a house together. Like if you got cut from this season, like, boys, let's let's pool the resources.
00:50:23
Steve
Let's let's get those, you know, automatic ah just distributions from your IRAs or whatever you do. And then you just you pull them together, you buy a nice house. And it's just guys being dudes in their 60s.
00:50:35
popculturediner
I mean, yeah, some of them are too young for required minimum distributions.
00:50:35
Steve
Make it happen.
00:50:41
Steve
I don't actually know anything about finances.
00:50:42
popculturediner
Actually,
00:50:45
Steve
I just know it's something that retired people do.
00:50:50
popculturediner
um the age is also increasing.
00:50:50
Steve
ah Well, the, uh, the age for retired minimal distributions is actually a 72.5 Steve.
00:50:57
popculturediner
That's pretty good.
00:50:59
Steve
Is that actually true?
00:51:00
popculturediner
Um, I think it is 72 and a half. Well, it depends on the year in which you were born. Um, and it is going up and I believe it's going, I'm not an accountant. I am not a tax expert. Uh, please consult the IRS.
00:51:12
popculturediner
Uh, I think it's, I think it's increasing to, gosh, now I can't remember if it's 73 or 75, but it's going up with like life and expectancies going up. Um, but I mean, you can take distributions before that, but you weren't required to take a minimum distribution until you hit that age.
00:51:22
Steve
and Okay.
00:51:27
popculturediner
Anyway.
00:51:28
Steve
Okay.
00:51:29
popculturediner
This is my other life.
00:51:29
Steve
I, well, I'm just happy that I'm just happy that my nerd impersonation of you was like ah even more accurate than I assumed. So good.
00:51:38
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, because it's like, yeah, it's like 72, but then it's like, yeah, 73 if you reach 72 after a certain date, but then it's going to be 75 starting in 2033.
00:51:53
popculturediner
So, yeah, which won't apply to them, obviously, but it wouldn't apply to.
00:51:54
Steve
It's good to know. No.
00:51:58
popculturediner
Well, it'll probably be. We're never going to get any. Well, requirement of distributions, that's actually like a good you don't want to have to take those. So so anyway.
00:52:09
popculturediner
I'm not an accountant. I'm not going to talk about this anymore. Um, so, uh, I never thought I would talk about required minimum distributions on the podcast.
00:52:19
Steve
it's That's like the first old guy thing that came to my brain.
00:52:19
popculturediner
So that's, it's really interesting.
00:52:21
Steve
I'm sorry. that's
00:52:22
popculturediner
It's really interesting. Um, but yeah, so, but you know, cut the kids out of the, out of your state and you're gonna do something else.
00:52:29
Steve
Yeah, start living for you, dog.
00:52:30
popculturediner
Yeah. You're gonna do something else now.
00:52:31
Steve
Keith, what what daughters, Keith?
00:52:33
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:52:33
Steve
It's time to not stop being a girl dad and be a Keith dad.
00:52:35
popculturediner
Yeah. Girl dad. Yeah.
00:52:36
Steve
Take care of your number one kid. It's your inner child, Keith.
00:52:40
popculturediner
Yeah, Keith does seem like someone who has worked really hard to connect with his inner child though, so good for him, honestly. I think he he's been through a lot and um I just only wish the best for him, but we'll talk about him more in a second.
00:52:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:52
popculturediner
um Yeah, so I said bye to Gil and I said, fuck you, but i but with Gary, I was like, oh my God.
00:52:52
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:57
popculturediner
And then he like whispered to Joan, you're awesome. And I was like, you're awesome, shut up. And then, um and yeah, Dan's gone.
00:53:03
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:05
popculturediner
Sorry, Dan, I liked you. We didn't get to see you enough, but you seem like a really nice, normal guy, sorry. um jar Charles, it was the saddest day. And he said, oh, they're all gorgeous people.
00:53:15
popculturediner
And they're all crying and hugging. And then he said, like, it's a different form of love. And I did find it.
00:53:24
Steve
It's too wholesome.
00:53:25
popculturediner
I just I just love Charles.
00:53:26
Steve
I can't handle it.
00:53:27
popculturediner
I just love Charles. He's so good. ah What a good person. um And then, ah yeah.
00:53:33
Steve
Yeah, guys, you could all be my dad. If anybody wants to be my dad, you guys, yeah, that's, you you you're all in the running, yeah.
00:53:38
popculturediner
They're all in the running.
00:53:41
popculturediner
Yeah, they're great. um And then, OK, then we open up the new episode with Pascal seaming his clothes and of course, and then Joan has like a chat with Trista and Trista is basically like, don't get too analytical.
00:53:56
popculturediner
Don't get too in your head. Open up to these men. I wish I had done it for Ryan because he was confused and didn't know where he stood and I should have told him sooner, which is interesting because I didn't think Ryan was going to win when I watched that season.
00:54:08
popculturediner
I didn't think so at all.
00:54:09
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:54:10
popculturediner
So. She hid it from the audience as well.
00:54:13
Steve
Justified.
00:54:13
popculturediner
I had no idea I was shocked and I was like really Ryan Okay, cuz I liked the other guy, but I don't remember the other guy's name anymore.
00:54:14
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:19
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:54:20
popculturediner
So obviously he yeah other guy who cares about that guy um So yeah, so she's and she's not gonna give out roses until the rose ceremony So these men are going on one-on-one dates and it is not a guarantee of safety in any way and we see that very clearly and Um, so Keith gets the first one on one.
00:54:20
Steve
Other guy who?
00:54:35
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:54:38
popculturediner
He's like, I'm going to get to redeem myself. And they go on this helicopter date and the men are getting jealous because he's in a helicopter and they're going to a vineyard.
00:54:48
Steve
But dad moment of the week, the guys and the guys at the house are sitting in the pool and they see a helicopter over there, they go, I bet that's them.
00:54:51
popculturediner
What?
00:54:57
Steve
And then everybody waves and then Joan and Keith wave back down.
00:55:01
popculturediner
Yeah, that's cute. Well, I mean, they do that on like The Bachelor, too. Like it's not just on The Golden Bachelor.
00:55:04
Steve
I know, but it's just like, it's it's more wholesome with them.
00:55:10
popculturediner
Oh, are you back?
00:55:13
Steve
I'm back. i Was I ever really gone?
00:55:15
popculturediner
No, I think it was you.
00:55:15
Steve
Were you gone? Who knows?
00:55:17
popculturediner
But anyway, ah it's fine.
00:55:19
Steve
I don't know what's going on with the internet. Apparently i've I've reverted back to dial-up, which is cool.
00:55:21
popculturediner
um It's going to be an interesting one.
00:55:23
Steve
You know, I'm into retro stuff.
00:55:25
popculturediner
Oh, there you go. ah This will be an interesting episode, friends. We're just going to make it through. um So anyway, they have the helicopter to date. The men are starting to get jealous. And Chuck is like, I do not want this to happen.
00:55:38
popculturediner
I do not want this to happen because she is my girl. um ah But Keith is like, I'm not even on cloud nine. I'm on cloud eleven. um So it's two more.
00:55:47
Steve
Wow, nobody even knew about that cloud.
00:55:49
popculturediner
It's two more. uh and then they have like these two like you know like vineyard lovers and they've been together for 32 years and um and they're talking about this dave and like i don't think they've ever seen the bachelor or anything like that at all because jones like yeah so like i gave him the first impression rose and they're just looking like mm-hmm don't know what the fuck that is but okay i'm just gonna drink the little wine um and But yeah, it was interesting. They've been together for 32 years. Joan was with her husband for 32 years. So it like struck a chord. She got emotional, um of course. um And she was like, I could have been them. like you know This kind of thing comes and goes. And like grief is fucked up and you know all that stuff. ah Then we cut to Mark being sad and introspective by the pool. And he's like, I don't know if I'm doing the right thing. And then he sees a hummingbird. And then he's like, it's my wife. I'm doing the right thing.
00:56:46
popculturediner
and And so, you know, he's got hummingbirds, Jones got hawks, but we see that that's not gonna be enough. We'll get there later. um Then Keith is telling Joan on his date that like they haven't talked to like his ex-wife, like him or his daughters haven't talked to his ex-wife in like 10 to 12 years, which is really um tough, um but fair because of, you know, addiction and all that stuff.
00:57:04
Steve
Hmm. Yeah.
00:57:10
popculturediner
And um he gets the validation he needs, but is it enough?
00:57:13
Steve
Hmm.
00:57:15
popculturediner
Spoiler alert, no. um We go on a group date, it's bowling, ah and we find out Mark is going to get the one-on-one date finally because he's like the last person to get a one-on-one date at all, so of course it has to go to him because if it didn't, that would be rude.
00:57:33
popculturediner
um
00:57:33
Steve
Yeah. Also, just as a side note, love the little subtle evil producer moves here because Mark and Keith are the two men who desperately need to communicate their true feelings and receive validation in return. So Keith gets a super loud ass helicopter and Mark gets a loud ass boat and neither man can really achieve anything here. So it's good.
00:58:02
popculturediner
Yeah, I didn't even think about it that way. um At all. That wasn't anything that i I hadn't thought about the noise level and them not being able to get like that validation. um That's funny. And then but also we have we can't have like a golden bachelorette season without bowling I don't think because like what is a better old man activity than bowling it's the perfect old man activity well we already did that you know well we did that in the other one you know um so we need bowling and um yeah and Jordan like most of them struck me as bowlers you know like when Jonathan was like oh yeah I've bowled I'm like yeah you're from Iowa you've definitely bowled
00:58:25
Steve
Pickleball. Yeah, we're ready to do that. It's true. Yeah.
00:58:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:41
popculturediner
and you know Jordan's like good at bowling and then like chalk chalk comes out with the whole who do you think you are I am like he's very much like giving that energy do you know I'm talking about or am I just saying something weird okay thank you I was like that's such a specific reference I don't know I count on you to know that yeah
00:58:41
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:58:51
Steve
Yes. Yes. No, I know what you say.
00:58:56
Steve
Yeah. And I also agree with you too, that if you live in Iowa, there's actually only like three activities you can do. And one of the activities is, is corn and the other one is, is drive to another place and then there's bowling.
00:59:09
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm from the state that is, you know, the world has the world headquarters for bowling.
00:59:09
Steve
So, you know, it's good.
00:59:15
popculturediner
So like, you know, yeah. um Yeah. You know, my parents were in a league when I was growing up. I learned how to score when I was like really little. And, um you know, and we've got the world headquarters like, you know, not I think it's still there.
00:59:29
popculturediner
Um, not far from where I went to school. So, uh, and then Jonathan's like, yeah, my mom did this thing called bowling for dollars. And she had like, she like competed and had like pins and stuff like that. And I was like, that's adorable. And then he showed like pictures of his, of his mom and his kids and like him when he was younger. And that was really sweet. And all of the men who are pouring out their hearts on this episode are all going,
00:59:54
popculturediner
What the fuck?
00:59:57
Steve
Love it.
00:59:58
popculturediner
Yeah, um Joan is like, I'm ready to be healthy, happy and selfish in like a good way. And Chalk is like, listen, it's us. Just I'm just telling you right now, Joan, it's us. And she's like, OK, when he's like, OK, cool.
01:00:10
popculturediner
We're in agreement. I'll just ride out the rest of the show, but it's us. And then we get to the one on one with Mark and she's like, you know, let's explore the connection. We haven't gotten there yet. um And things are figuratively and literally chilly on this boat.
01:00:29
popculturediner
And then they're like, let's play a game of never have I ever ever and things get a little bit better. um And it seems like the date goes well. And then it kind of ends abruptly and we get to like the next day and all the men are talking and Mark's like, yeah, I think the day went pretty well, pretty good. And then Joan's like, hi, can I talk to Mark really quick?
01:00:48
popculturediner
Um, I don't see it.
Breakup Conversations and Golden Bachelor Speculations
01:00:50
popculturediner
I thought I did. Uh, on paper, it's good. There's the chemistry is a lacking severely. And it's just like, I don't think it's going to get there and you deserve better and you're great.
01:01:00
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:01
popculturediner
And I'm sorry, you know.
01:01:03
Steve
I forget her exact words and they were like, just, just cut right to the core of things, but not in like a jerk way, right?
01:01:08
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:01:10
Steve
She was just like, yeah, so you're great, but like, I do not foresee a future where you and me are a thing. So go be great with someone else.
01:01:17
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. She basically, she said something like when, when you, she's like, you seem so healed and you're on this journey, but when you talk about your future, I don't see me in those words.
01:01:30
popculturediner
I think that's what she said.
01:01:30
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:01:31
popculturediner
And yeah.
01:01:31
Steve
Yeah, which is very articulate and just beautiful. That's a nice way to get dumped Yeah Yeah
01:01:35
popculturediner
Joan, it's Joan. She's like a classy lady. um Yeah, so, but yeah, I think he got like a very good golden bachelor edit. um But then, yeah, we get to the rose ceremony and um we get, you know, Pascal, chalk guy and Jordan are the final four who will be going on to hometowns.
01:01:56
popculturediner
And and then, you know, we get a really good moment with Jonathan at the end as well. So I, you know,
01:02:02
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:02:04
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, i the good thing is there's a lot of good men they could pick from to be the Golden Bachelor. Like there's a lot of good choices, but I think Jonathan is the best one.
01:02:17
popculturediner
um I mean, I love Charles.
01:02:17
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:19
popculturediner
I love Charles, but I still think Jonathan is the best Golden Bachelor choice. So if they pick Mark, I'm not going to like it. Not going to like it.
01:02:29
popculturediner
and I'll be fine with it.
01:02:30
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:30
popculturediner
I'll deal with it. But yeah, I just don't think he's got as much. I don't know, like complexity and depth, at least that we haven't been able to see that would.
01:02:40
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:41
popculturediner
But they are shorter episodes, so I guess you can make an argument that you don't need as much.
01:02:44
Steve
Yeah. Much, much like Joan, when people talk about him as the future golden bachelor, I i don't see myself in that. Like I just, I can't get on that page.
01:02:54
Steve
So it doesn't work for me.
01:02:55
popculturediner
I just don't see myself in that story. um I think he's probably I mean, you know, he's got enough to go on.
01:02:57
Steve
Yeah.
01:03:02
popculturediner
They obviously are trying to make it happen. But yeah, I think the only solution because we have so many great choices on both sides of things now is to have is to have Golden Bachelor in Paradise.
01:03:14
popculturediner
Let's. The only option, that's the only thing you can possibly do.
01:03:15
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:03:18
popculturediner
So I'm really hoping they do something like that. And yeah, it could either be like an all inclusive resort or it could be like a cruise ship. But either way, I think it would be really fun.
01:03:29
popculturediner
And, um you know, yeah, I mean, like, listen, I I just feel like a big hole in my heart ever since the nine month cruise ended. So. I need something.
01:03:41
popculturediner
I need something. Oh, gosh, like, what if they did it like, okay, I'm not a big brother person. And I know people who are like big brother people are like, they watch like the live feeds and like, you know, they get pretty intense with it.
01:03:54
Steve
Oh my god
01:03:55
popculturediner
But can you imagine if this was shot like on a cruise ship and it was like big brother? Just imagine that. Just imagine.
01:04:02
Steve
i I think it would genuinely ruin some people's lives.
01:04:02
popculturediner
Wow.
01:04:05
Steve
Like people who do what we do, but like at a far more serious devoted pace, and they would just be watching it 24 seven, slamming Red Bull and not sleeping and and then doing deep dives into things that are like, did you see the way so-and-so scratched his butt?
01:04:22
Steve
I think blah, blah, blah, based on this, he probably has a rare skin disease. And then we're all like, like that would happen unequivocally. like
01:04:31
popculturediner
ah Yeah, we don't want to go that far I was just joking, it was a joke. ah
01:04:35
Steve
but but But I could see it happening, that's the thing.
01:04:36
popculturediner
ah yeah
01:04:38
Steve
and it's just like I would enjoy it because it would be funny to just like watch these guys like shoot the ship, but then I'm like, I'm able to step away. And there's a lot of people who cannot step away.
01:04:47
popculturediner
Yeah, that's true.
Celebrity Memoirs and Internet Culture
01:04:48
popculturediner
That's true. I sometimes fall into the category of not being able to step away. So we don't want to enable that. That would be bad.
01:04:54
Steve
No, we don't want to enable Sammy.
01:04:56
popculturediner
It's really bad. I was like scrolling through my TikTok, as I do, and I'm a big fan of Celebrity Memoir Book Club. I don't know if you've listened to any of their stuff, but they're incredible. So fun. They'll they'll read like a memoir in a week and put this like really detailed um podcast together, and they they take it very seriously.
01:05:19
popculturediner
And they've, ah you know, they have pretty good takes. I think I agree with him like 95 to 99% of the time. And so I like listening to, you know, I'm like, all right, what's their, what's their take on this?
01:05:30
popculturediner
Or how do they feel about this person?
01:05:31
Steve
No.
01:05:32
popculturediner
Or what was their, you know, if they like a memoir, their chances at all like it, you know, all that stuff. And, um and it also ah exempts me from having to always read these memoirs.
01:05:38
Steve
no
01:05:43
popculturediner
I can just like listen to them talk about it. And then I usually go back and go, do I want to listen to this or watch or read this or whatever?
01:05:47
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:05:49
popculturediner
Um, but they were talking about, oh my gosh, now I'm going to forget her name. I think it's Aspen Oh guard or something like Ovard Aspen Ovard. Um, and I didn't know a single thing about this person, like at all zero. And for some reason, like things are like popping off on tick tock, you know,
01:06:09
popculturediner
and And they were like, oh yeah, we just went on a deep dive. I knew nothing about her. And now I find out she's got like a Reddit snark page and all this stuff. And it turns out that like they're ah potentially, this is a theory.
01:06:22
popculturediner
This is not, you know, that potentially her like ex-husband's mother was like the person who put that snark page together, possibly.
01:06:23
Steve
Mm hmm. Oh.
01:06:33
popculturediner
And I was like, whoa. and i And so like I commented on their post and I was like, how many business days would it take for me to catch up and and understand?
01:06:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:06:43
popculturediner
Because I'm like, I literally don't know who this person is. I don't know anything about like why they would be controversial, why they would have a Snark page, like any any of that, nothing zero. And someone said probably like two to three business days.
01:06:55
popculturediner
And I'm like, That's doable. That's doable. Maybe I'll do it." And then I'm like, why? What's the point? I could just not know about this person and move on with my life. But I'm like, no, I need to know what's the niche, you know, what's, what's, you know, the niche T, what I need to know, like what it is.
01:07:05
Steve
Yeah
01:07:12
popculturediner
And it's like, maybe, maybe ignorance is bliss.
01:07:16
Steve
Yeah, yeah no I think it is honestly better.
01:07:16
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:07:19
Steve
you know and The two biggest, like best pieces of advice I think anyone can take on just general like life online. One, you don't need to post, you don't.
01:07:30
Steve
if you' ever should Should I post this? No, just don't do it. Two, you don't need to know. sometimes I mean, knowledge is great and the pursuit of knowledge is lovely, but sometimes you literally don't need to know.
01:07:40
Steve
And I think the line for me that I found is, I like people at at work and in my life know me as like a sponge for esoteric useless knowledge. So they'll be like, hey, Steve, who's this random guy? And I'm like, oh, so back in 2007, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then this happened, this happened, this happened, this. And I explained it all in like 30 seconds. And I go, oh, my God, I sound like a psychopath.
01:08:08
Steve
Because I just explained some weird internet thing from 10 years ago.
01:08:09
popculturediner
I don't know. That's how I am for about a lot of things.
01:08:11
Steve
just yeah You don't need to know sometimes.
01:08:12
popculturediner
So I don't know what that says about me.
01:08:14
Steve
just It's better.
01:08:15
popculturediner
That's probably not good, though.
01:08:19
popculturediner
Yeah, well, yeah.
01:08:23
popculturediner
Yeah, so sometimes this is this is what happens in our house a lot is I'll I'll come to Chuck and I'll say, do you have time for me to explain something that's going to take several steps to get to the thing that I actually want to talk about?
01:08:36
Steve
Yes.
01:08:37
popculturediner
And then and sometimes he goes, Yes. And sometimes he goes, no. Um, but like the, the most recent thing was like the hear me out cakes.
01:08:47
popculturediner
I was like, can I, I was like, I would like to explain something to you because I want to know if it's an activity that, that would interest you or be relevant to your interests in any way.
01:08:58
popculturediner
And he said, okay. And I actually thought he was going to say, this is not my kind of a thing. And then I explained what a hear me out cake was.
01:09:04
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:09:06
popculturediner
Do you know what a hear me out cake is?
01:09:08
Steve
I do know to hear me out. Okay, kids.
01:09:09
popculturediner
Okay.
01:09:09
Steve
Yeah, I got that one.
01:09:10
popculturediner
Um, so, and you're still cutting out. So if I'm interrupting you, I apologize. Um, but, uh, yeah, so for the uninitiated, a hear me out cake is basically, I mean, it started with like this hear me out thing where it's like, hear me out.
01:09:24
popculturediner
This. Person character fictional or real is attractive. And and it started off kind of like. you know, maybe I would say Paul Giamatti, hear me out, you know, like, and that's like pretty normal.
01:09:37
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:09:38
popculturediner
And then you start going, oh, this like this, ah like the Fox from Robin Hood, like, hear me out, you know, and then people start going, oh, maybe it's the grasshopper from A Bug's Life.
01:09:52
popculturediner
You know, that one's been a big one. And then I saw someone say, oh, the number eight, hear me out the number eight. And so it's like, you know, you start kind of you like and now people are starting to like like ah police other people's hear me outs where they're like it can't be a human that actually could be attractive it like should be some creature and then some people are like well it shouldn't be a creature because what are you like why are you attracted to a creature or like it can't be a fictional character that was a child because that's weird and it's like well what if i was a kid when i had a crush on this kid you know like it's just and so now people are starting to like split hairs and going well no you can't have this on your cake and what and but people are taking this hear me out discussion and then they're like turning them into little characters on sticks and sticking them into a cake
01:10:43
popculturediner
So I had to spend like a long time explaining, like I just did, what a hear me out cake was. And then at the end of it, Tuck was like, I would like to do this activity with you. that He's like, this sounds pretty fun. And he's like, like, what kind of, you know, who would be on your hear me out cake? I'm like, I don't know. Like Groot, maybe I think Groot would probably be on my hear me out cake. He's like, Oh, that's a good one. I said, yeah. And like full grown Groot, not like baby Groot or teenage Groot, like full grown Groot. Um, and he's like, I see, I see, I see what the path is and I, I like it and I've got some ideas and I've got some thoughts and I think we could really put a good cake together.
01:11:22
popculturediner
But you know, it's like, it's one of those things where I'm like, it's, you have to amass a certain level of internet knowledge to get to the point where you can even talk about that, you know?
01:11:32
Steve
Yeah.
01:11:37
Steve
Yeah, it's it really is.
01:11:37
popculturediner
Anyway.
01:11:38
Steve
like you you have to yeah You have to build up all this information, which is not like productively useful in society in 99.9% of situations.
01:11:46
popculturediner
No.
01:11:49
Steve
And then once you have built up all of this useless knowledge, your reward is an additional nugget of useless knowledge.
01:11:56
popculturediner
Yes, yeah, it's just like it's like, OK, I understand all the rules that people have on this cake and my own feelings. You know, it's that and it's like the the trauma dump candy salad, you know, between those two things.
01:12:09
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:12:10
popculturediner
I'm like, I just know to I know too much about the Internet and I should probably stop, but I won't I won't stop. But does it mean I post my own things?
01:12:21
popculturediner
No. And that's called discernment.
01:12:22
Steve
Yep.
Technical Difficulties and Closing Promotions
01:12:25
popculturediner
saying Anyway, I don't know where this, I don't know how we got here, but ah but I'm glad that we're here.
01:12:26
Steve
So you do it.
01:12:29
Steve
We we did.
01:12:30
popculturediner
And listen, everyone, ah sorry about, I'm actually using this in like a client email probably, but I'm gonna use it here too, because I don't care about reusing content sometimes.
01:12:40
popculturediner
um I'm gonna blame all of the technical issues on Gremlins because it's October. And what else?
01:12:47
Steve
now
01:12:49
popculturediner
It's obviously gremlins. So if you had difficulties watching this because of gremlins, I'm so sorry, but you can catch clips of us on TikTok and Instagram under popculturediner.
01:12:52
Steve
Now. Mm hmm.
01:13:00
popculturediner
You can check us out at popculturediner.com. If you thought we're like kind of okay and you want to give us a five star review, please do that on iTunes and all that stuff.
01:13:07
Steve
nice.
01:13:08
popculturediner
um Tell us you like us, tell us why, tell us your, fears and who would be on your hear me out cake. I wouldn't really be interested in that. um And yeah, like that's an idea.
01:13:18
Steve
Yeah. Would you go and see me and Keith's dance troupe? Perhaps? Maybe?
01:13:23
popculturediner
That's a thought. Would you like him to live out his dreams or would you want to just crush his dreams?
01:13:28
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:29
popculturediner
That's the question on everyone's mind today.
01:13:30
Steve
is Is this a keep that to yourself Steve situation?
01:13:33
popculturediner
maybe um or maybe it's not tell us more tell us more we want to hear more um so you know remember it is it is spooky season you should have a costume right now if you don't it's okay you still have time to get to spirit or whatever you can get there um but make sure to do spooky things but nothing too spooky okay be safe ah be kind and um don't be the house with apples
01:13:53
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:14:00
Steve
Oh, no, you cut out. Wait, this is... I didn't even tell anybody not to do needle drugs! What if you're bobbing for apples and there's needles in there and you go, eh, yeah, maybe I'll do that. They're all gonna do them now. The gremlins struck at the worst possible time.
01:14:24
popculturediner
Sorry, everyone.