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Sammi: Hello, I'm Sammy, and you're listening or watching ah Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic um animal ah facsimile-ist, why did I say that, friend-zoning-ist,
Steve: Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
Sammi: I don't know, i don't have good ones for today. Do you have one?
Steve: Calling Susie at the airport when your paradise girlfriend is... just probably 50 feet away-est ever.
Sammi: It's not as easy as you think ever. So I was like, what happened in this episode? We're we're talking about week seven today.
Steve: Oh, this is, there's two things going on.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: ah Kim doing PDA and making me go, what? And ah Jeremy being dumb and making me go, what?
Sammi: but um Yeah. Okay. So really interesting stuff. So first of all, if we're, i mean, we're never on our game, so I don't know. i I can't make excuses for us.
Steve: No.
Sammi: We're just like never on our game, but yeah.
Steve: No. Why are you guys so late? It's my fault. It's entirely my fault. Well...
Sammi: Cause of your up face.
Steve: Yeah, my face. Here's what's wrong with my face. Obviously, if you...
Sammi: Your face looks like totally normal on my screen.
Steve: I know it looks okay.
Sammi: Just so you know.
Steve: And you're probably looking at it now.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: You're like, Steve, you just have more facial hair. Like you're, you're kind of scruffier than you normally are. And there's a reason for that. And that's because I haven't been able to shave in a while. And the reason I haven't able to shave my face in a while is because I tripped over my own two feet in my own driveway.
Steve: And you know, this is what they say. Whenever you fall, you should try and land on your chin, right? Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
Sammi: That's what I've always heard.
Steve: Yeah. So that's what I did at least.
Sammi: So, yeah, I think you just did what everyone advises.
Steve: Yeah, so totally normal thing to do.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Just, you know, falling in your own driveway. landed directly on my chin and knocked myself out cold completely and woke up bleeding profusely from my chin, ah needed four stitches and had a bit of a concussion.
Steve: so yeah, that was good. It's great. It's great time to be me.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm like looking at our texts. Oh, I said, oh because I was checking in on you because in your area, the flooding was very bad.
Steve: Jesus.
Sammi: And so um I said, I'm watching the episode now so I can record whenever, as long as you aren't underwater. um Because I was a little, my Monday was kind of screwy, like my car broke down and stuff like that. And I was like,
Sammi: Wow. And I felt very thankful because a tow truck was able to arrive immediately.
Steve: o
Sammi: But I got like a message that was like, you know, weather in your area may mean you get nothing at all. And I was like, oh, my God, like AAA, how could you do me like this?
Steve: ah jesus's Yeah,
Sammi: And then I remembered i was like, oh, yeah, i got to still check in with some people. And so i I texted you that just to give you an update and make sure that you were OK. And then you said, I'm not underwater.
Sammi: did face plant in my driveway though four stitches and a concussion l lol and I was like was like oh no that's so bad so that was not what I expected to get back from you but yeah and and then I think I said something like well whenever your face looks better yeah
Steve: yeah that's pretty much it. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, so but my basement's bone dry. House is fine. Very, very lucky because obviously around here it was it was pretty bad. So I'm extremely lucky. But yeah, I ah just face planted and people are like, how did you do that? Like, how did you trip over your own feet in a perfectly like sunny day?
Steve: And the answer is is like, have you ever seen a toddler like walking for the first time? That's just like me every single day. And sometimes you toddle onto your face. So here I am.
Sammi: See, you just met a baby today and but you and you said you weren't a fan of babies, but maybe it's just because they make you confront the things about yourself that you don't like as much.
Steve: I did meet a baby.
Steve: Yeah. The reason that I don't like babies is because I'm baby.
Sammi: Did you ever think about that?
Steve: That's the problem.
Sammi: Yes. Yes, exactly. It just hits too close to home.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So you just can't do it.
Steve: and well welcome Welcome to therapist plate special. ah
Sammi: tell me Tell me more about your baby
Steve: I mean, babies can do anything.
Sammi: ah hatred
Steve: Okay. Like if I was sitting around and I couldn't form a complete sentence, it was just like pooping my pants. People would probably be upset with me. So yeah, whatever. Okay.
Sammi: That's so true. um Yeah, I briefly mentioned before we came on, because maybe this is something that you also need. Well, what sounds like actually you did deliver this to yourself because like so there was all that like gentle parenting and, um you know, ah helicopter parenting, hover parenting, whatever.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: There was actually like a woman who came on to my FYP the other day. And thank goodness it was like a response because I was like, is my algorithm broken? um But she was like super upset because she was like my son in kindergarten. and Like it was his first day of kindergarten or whatever. And she's like, he didn't drink water all day.
Sammi: And I'm like, how could that possibly be a thing? And she's like, ah they had a water break and everyone, um all the kids brought out their water bottles except for him.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: She packed it in his bag. It was in the side of his bag. Apparently he didn't know where it was, didn't know to look for it, whatever. It's like, but that tells me. That your five-year-old is not self-sufficient enough to, like, know where his drink is and his backpack. Like, you didn't tell him?
Steve: and
Sammi: Like, you don't teach him any self-reliance at all? Like, by the time I was five, I know that I could tell you, like, where, I mean, not like we drank a lot of water as kids.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
Sammi: It wasn't a thing in the early 90s.
Steve: No. Yeah. When we were kids, no, nobody drank it.
Sammi: No, we just gargled rocks.
Steve: It was like, there's a water fountain, but she would. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: It's like, no, we just chugged like milk and apple juice, I think.
Sammi: yeah
Steve: And then, well, and then water was like, yeah, there's drinking fountains, but then it's like, you had to ask the teacher and maybe she'd say, yes, we didn't get water breaks with water.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: You think I can be trusted with like a Nalgene or a Stanley at the ripe old age of five?
Sammi: We didn't... Yeah, we didn't get water breaks. And yeah, well, and I had bubblers because ah that's the correct thing to say.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Cause yeah. Where you grew up.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Bubbler.
Sammi: It's a brand name. Okay. Just like, oh yeah, we well we talked about this before when you get mad about time machines.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um I actually got a new ah business like credit card, um business debit. I will just show this part.
Steve: ah say, girl, don't don't show your number.
Sammi: it says It says time on it. Can you see that?
Steve: Yeah, because the the the company, I forget which which bank or credit union or or whatever, the guy was obsessed with the idea of the of the time machine brand ATM, so much so that when the trademark lapsed, he bought it.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: just He just bought the the the trademark.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: So now they own it.
Sammi: That is my bank. Yes.
Steve: There you go.
Sammi: Yes. um But anyway, yeah. yeah So she was like really mad about this whole like hover like about her kid not getting water whatever. But I'm like, I just feel like this is a parenting fail, not like a teacher fail.
Sammi: Like also, I just find it very hard to believe that like the teacher did not accommodate any kind of water.
Steve: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And also like, why can't your kid just say I'm thirsty? Can I have some water? like There's just so many holes in the story that I just was like, I can't believe it.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: But now there's like this new wave of parenting called like FAFO, like fuck around and find out parenting, where it's like, oh, and this sounds like Gen X kids. This is like going to raise Gen X kids.
Sammi: type kids where it's like, oh, well, you you burnt your hand on the stove.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Well, fuck around and find out. Well, yeah, you took a chance and it didn't go so well. You had a consequence. Fuck around and find out. And like, I totally think children need consequences to understand, you know, what happens with their actions.
Sammi: But also it's like, is there a line where it's like you don't want them to be in mortal danger or be like, my parents did not care about me and they let me hurt myself over and over while I was learning.
Sammi: Like that seems kind of weird, but it sounds like that's what you did to yourself is was my point.
Steve: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and that I, basically, basically, yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: and And I think for for me, you know, i helicopter parents drive crazy, ah but especially as someone who was a former teacher, absolutely drove me nuts.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Oh yeah. I'm sure you dealt with some interesting parents.
Steve: Oh, real interesting. Show me crazy. Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, I was i was mostly set up with like the correct information and and stuff to to be a successful little guy.
Steve: ah But I was probably given way too much independence and autonomy. like I'm not saying I was like the little match girl just out there in the cold just hanging out.
Sammi: ah
Steve: But like my parents were like, yeah, whatever. Just don't die, which I managed not to do. But also when I think back, I'm like, holy shit, I should not have been allowed to do most of the things that I did.
Steve: So maybe don't do that.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: i don't know. But ah yeah.
Sammi: It's like, yeah, you need like a sprinkling of those experiences.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And most of them should be like, oh, they didn't really know that I was doing that, you know, whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um but yeah, to have an abundance of them seems bad. And also to be completely bubble wrapped, also bad. Although maybe you should be bubble wrapped.
Steve: I honestly should be bubble wrap. At least somebody bubble wrap my face.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Like, I don't know. Like, how did I not just catch myself with my hands? There's so many questions here.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: i don't I don't have the coordination.
Sammi: Yeah, you know, and I mean, wonder if this season of Bachelor in Paradise has the coordination required to be successful. i was really proud of that.
Steve: hundred that that's That's a good transition.
Sammi: um
Steve: Especially as I look at my terrible manpower rankings and and where everybody's sitting currently.
Sammi: Thank you. i tried.
Sammi: Terrible manpower rankings. I mean, it's bad.
Steve: I gotta to say Brian has always been a top tier, terrible man. And i think at some point they were trying to rehab his image. But the one thing I will say about Brian and the one thing I respect is even as the show's editors try to paint him in a better light, he finds a way, you know?
Sammi: He finds a way to be in a worse one.
Steve: Exactly. He endures.
Sammi: Yes.
Steve: He must be terrible. He must be the worst man. Everything about this man, I despise with every fiber of my being. I would rather take three more face plants than spend five minutes in a room with Brian.
Sammi: Yes.
Steve: So.
Sammi: Wow.
Steve: hmm.
Sammi: Yeah. Wow. That's like, you know, it's like the Weird Al song, right? One more minute or whatever, you know?
Steve: Yes, exactly.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Exactly.
Sammi: I'd rather do all these things than spend one more minute with you.
Steve: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Sammi: Anyway. yeah, anyway ah so yeah i mean... when So I was watching this in my cardio cinema, as I am now very excited about doing every week. And i would say, Brian, is a kind of a situation where it's like broken clock right twice a day type of a thing. Because I do agree.
Sammi: I feel like someone needed to tell Bailey what was going on.
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: But...
Sammi: The source. I don't know. You know what I'm Like he was not the right source.
Steve: No, exactly. Is there any person on the face of the earth that believes that Brian had good intentions?
Sammi: Right.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: Brian, who every chance he's getting, he gets, he's like, you know, i I love Bailey. I just think Bailey's really special girl. I think she's amazing. I know she's with Jeremy. I'm not saying i don't want to tap that. ah But what I am saying is like, she's very special.
Steve: He clearly wants her. Okay. This is, No, no one. This is a mystery to no one. He's just like, no, I would never be, you know, wholing like if she showed up when he did the the late night rendezvous because he had to tell her during the late night rendezvous.
Sammi: hu
Steve: ah No, not true. You're telling me if she showed up and was just like, hey, and and then he was like, hey, like he wouldn't just try and get with her immediately.
Steve: He wouldn't just throw out his relationship.
Sammi: Yeah, i think I think he's really good at covering... Well, he's not good at covering his tracks. In a way, he kind of is. Because it's like, he does have plausible deniability, I guess.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Because, like, nothing happened and blah, blah, whatever. do... i do
Steve: It's just so transparent.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: Come on.
Sammi: I do still think I do agree with Wells, though, that someone should have told her and people are getting mad at him about that. And I think that's the wrong thing to get mad at him about.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Get mad at him about literally everything else he's doing about being, you know.
Steve: Oh, yeah. That's the other thing, too.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: and And this and one informs the other. He has been awful.
Sammi: Mm hmm.
Steve: awful to a partner in paradise who is infinitely better than he is like he does not deserve this woman but he thinks he's too good for her uh with his chief complaint of like don't don't compliment me it's kind of like it turns me off
Sammi: Right.
Sammi: Yeah. It's like, oh, you're so sweet and want to be romantic and you want to know more about me. It's you're smothering me.
Steve: yeah you're smothering me yeah
Sammi: It's like, yeah, listen, I mean, you can go back on, on my blue sky posts and you can see I've been team Parisa since the beginning. Okay.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I think she's great.
Steve: So
Sammi: And I think he sucks. Yeah.
Steve: we have, we have in our hands, we have like the evidence that he blows. Right. And it's, it's his initial run on the bachelorette.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: It's how he has behaved towards Parisa.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: It's every time I look at him and I want to vomit in my mouth, there's all these different things.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And then the idea that like, he's coming from a good place when he's trying to do this, this thing for Bailey that he's really trying to help her out. It's like, absolutely not.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: You're trying to drive a wedge so that you could be the shoulder to cry on so that then you could be the lips to make out with is so transparent. And, and it's like when, when OJ wrote his book and it was called, I didn't do it, but if I did, here's how I would like, we know what you're doing.
Sammi: It's just, yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: We know exactly what you're doing.
Sammi: Wink, wink. I didn't do it, but if I did it, um this is how I would do it.
Steve: Yeah. o Yeah.
Sammi: um Yeah, it's just, it's just really, i think it's interesting because I do think he did it from, perhaps from a he's interested in Bailey. I'm going to give him, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sammi: I'm just putting out a hypothetical.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: That's a that's a very strong possibility. But the other thing is, he's obviously doing it to for self-preservation reasons.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And the weird thing is, i don't know why he thought this would be popular.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: Because even though I do think someone needed to tell her because she should be well-informed going into like a big decision. um yeah it came from the wrong source.
Sammi: And him telling her makes everyone else who didn't tell her look bad. It's like, you've got to time it out. I mean, yeah.
Steve: And then there's the bro code guys too. So every conceivable person is mad at you except for the girl that you want to sleep with.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And you've reached a point where there is no benefit to doing this, except maybe you'll be able to slide into her DMS after the season is over and try and hit it.
Steve: Like that's all.
Sammi: And be like, I did the right thing.
Steve: That's it.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
Sammi: I mean, being someone who...
Steve: You're not winning any money. Everybody wants you eliminated now. Yeah.
Sammi: Right, exactly. i mean, being someone who has like wanted to get that kind of information and was like, oh, I wish people had told me how they felt before.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And also being someone who has risk received information about other people and didn't know exactly how to go about it and has gone, ah I've gone about it like different ways. Like, you know, it's like A couple times I've gotten information like that and I'm like, this is like secondhand and how do I know it's true?
Sammi: And I don't know if this person would care or not. And am I going to just like blow something up that I shouldn't? But you know what I mean? I'm like, i don't know. I feel like I'm holding a live grenade.
Steve: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Same.
Sammi: I don't know what to do with it. so I feel like that's, I mean, if I could go into Alex's mind, i feel like that's probably why she didn't say anything because it's just like, I don't know.
Steve: hu same
Sammi: And she did put out a statement. Um, if I can pull it up fast, but it was like, it was a good statement.
Steve: Yeah. And while you're pulling that up, Oh, go ahead.
Sammi: Yeah. Go ahead. No, go ahead.
Steve: I was just going to say, yeah, I, I agree with you, especially if you're, if you're getting this second or third hand, like it's not my place. If I'm just, if I just, if it's hearsay, basically, if I'm in the room with Jeremy, when he's doing that, then I may say to myself, well, this is wrong now on the Jeremy side of things.
Sammi: hmm.
Steve: And this is, I promise it's not a you gotta hand it to him or anything. It, His thing is like, yeah we have to think about the the the timeline that we're dealing with, too, because this is crucial.
Steve: We as viewers are seeing this week to week. So we're watching it play out over like a month and a half or something.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: It has been literally seven days from the moment that they stepped foot on the island to like this point where she finds out that Jeremy called Susie. Okay.
Steve: So when he was like, I thought I was just playing the game. Yes, sir. You were, but there's two sides of the game. And that is one, you have to realize that like you can play this back and forth thing. She obviously went on date, you spiraled and then you called Susie or whatever.
Steve: But then there's, there's the other stuff that comes with that. Even if that was the only thing he did early on. And then maybe you can justify like, I shouldn't have done that. Don't talk about it. Don't tell other people because they're only going to use it against you. Stupid.
Steve: Two, if things are working out well with Bailey, maybe tell her early on. And early on is probably earlier than you would do in the real world. And then the other thing is, too, is like...
Steve: you can't keep talking about this shit. It's one thing if you think if you think you're like bro timing with douche Brian in the hotel room. It's another thing if people are like, oh yeah, when we were at the weirdo bird party, he was like, I wish Susie was here as a puffin or something.
Steve: Whatever he said. you You can't keep banging on about it. I'm sorry. I know it hasn't been that much time in in the real world, but out here in Paradise Land, things are all weird. So...
Steve: Yeah. ah And then there's the other thing, too, where you got to realize... And I saw a little clip of Wells, and Wells talked about this. He was like, dude, what is Bailey even doing with him?
Sammi: Right.
Steve: Because it's like...
Sammi: Yeah. He said something like she's way too good for him, but whatever.
Steve: Yeah. All he does is when he's on paradise, he works out, he sleeps.
Sammi: hmm.
Steve: He's like sunburned to all hell. Like he looks like he has just been bathing himself in, in sunlight without any sort of protection. He looks like shit right now.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And so man, you're not in a position to flex and be like, Oh, well she can get bad, but she'll never leave me because ah I'm Jeremy. No, man. It's a lot going on here.
Sammi: Yeah, you should be on the chopping block constantly.
Steve: um
Steve: I get I get that he was, you know, initially he had 48 hours or something to make a connection with Bailey. She goes on a date. He's mad. He goes on a date. And then he and then he's conflicted, obviously, because in the short period of time, he has feelings for two different women.
Steve: And then he does a dumb, dumb move, which is he tries to get Susie to come back and she doesn't. And then he's like, oh, no, I actually like Bailey.
Sammi: ah
Steve: So there's ah a series of errors here. So Brian, legitimate snake man, evil. Jeremy, sunburned moron. Two totally different categorizations.
Steve: Both not great. But, you know, there's there's more going on underneath the surface here, I think.
Sammi: Wow.
Steve: What is Alex's apology, by the way? I'm sorry, I'm monologuing. Yeah.
Sammi: No, that was good. and i wasn't about to interrupt you. i was like, I'll just let you keep going. so... yeah so Alex's statement, this is this was on Alex's Instagram.
Sammi: Okay, so this is what she said. Hey, y'all, I want to take a moment to address Monday's episode. First, I'd like to say that I should have told Bailey about Jeremy's phone call as soon as I could.
Sammi: i felt this way long before the episode aired, and I have apologized to Bailey privately months ago and have continued to do so. To provide more context, when Jeremy told me he called Susie, he did not tell me the details of the call.
Sammi: I believe that.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um I also did not hear any of this private interview or his other ongoing comments about Susie. I believe he spoke differently about the whole thing to Brian than he did to the girls.
Sammi: um This is why when Bailey tells me that Jeremy said he would propose to studio Susie, I stated that I had not heard him say that because I hadn't. I mean, it was not on camera. We did not see him say that to Alex.
Sammi: So...
Steve: you
Sammi: um When Jeremy told me about the call, Bailey was away on her date and I was sleeping when she returned. um The next day I spoke to Jeremy again about the call in a conversation that wasn't aired and he told me that him and Bailey had talked and were in a good place.
Sammi: I had a friendship with Jeremy before Paradise, but was still growing a new friendship with Bailey on Paradise, and it was difficult to decide what my involvement should be. However, I should have brought it up to Bailey regardless and checked in on her. It's not an excuse.
Sammi: um Please keep in mind... that a reality tv show is only showing small clips of long days and conversations between all of us at the end of the day i am so happy that jeremy and bailey found a true connection on the show and i continue to wish both of them nothing but the best looking forward to the rest of this journey heart hands alex i think that's a really good apology um
Steve: fine honestly more than i would have given i would have been like i didn't know shit i was just i just heard some things but i didn't want to stir the pot mm-hmm
Sammi: Well, i I'm sure he said that because he was telling everybody that we saw that. He was like, yeah, I called Tizzy. Yeah, I called Tizzy. But we heard him say those things to Brian.
Sammi: we did I mean, I don't think he said that to any of the other guys that i remember.
Steve: No.
Sammi: I think it was just to Brian.
Steve: Which so dumb to trust Brian of all people.
Sammi: Maybe Dale. He might have said a couple things to Dale, I feel like.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But the biggest stuff he said was to Brian. So, yeah, Brian.
Steve: And this the other part of it too. If you're Alex and you hear like second, third hand, you know, ah one of your gal pals, Parisa's like, oh yeah, I heard from, from Brian that, know,
Steve: actually Jeremy called up Susie and blah, blah, blah. Like if I'm Alex, um'm I'm not gonna like go to Bailey and be like, hey, this is what I heard three steps removed from when it alleged who it allegedly came from.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: That's not my responsibility. I'm sorry. Like I heard some shit, but and because what if the opposite is true?
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: What if like, you know, someone is being nefarious and just like seeding shit, which happens in these shows, especially now that we've...
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: introduced not just love but actual competition and money into it and people start fucking with people which they do all the time then the target is on my back because I took this rumor that I heard and I squawked it to this person and it wasn't true and then I blew up a relationship and now Jeremy's gunning for me uh-uh not gonna happen I'm not saying shit mm-hmm
Sammi: Money. Yeah.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Right. I mean, but the thing is, I mean, the thing is with Alex, Jeremy, she heard it from Jeremy. She heard this from Jeremy, but not the extent of it.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: Right.
Steve: who
Sammi: And that was before money came into the equation. This was before all of that.
Steve: A
Sammi: So what she knew was he called Susie. But like people... get emotional and indecisive on paradise all the time because it's a really condensed timeframe and you like, you'll see people go on a date and you're like, wow, like they're falling for each other.
Steve: lot. Yep.
Sammi: And then the next day they're like making out with someone new and you're like, Okay, never mind. Like, that is very normal in paradise. And um at the beginning of week seven, we're on day 13. So there's generally like two days ish per episode to give you a feel. So it hasn't been a week, but it's been about two weeks. And for us, it's been almost two months.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: So that is like four times the amount of time that we perceive it to be because of how much time is passing between our days of watching it. Just to put that in perspective, like you were saying.
Steve: no
Sammi: um And so, yeah, but it's like, that's kind of what I'm saying. Like, I i have heard things... Oh my gosh. This was another tick tock. I thought of there was somebody whose birthday and birthday party was everybody had to tell him juicy gossip and, um, he signed NDAs.
Steve: Oh, I love that. That's what I want for my birthday.
Sammi: I know me too. Yeah. He signed and NDAs and stuff so that he wouldn't tell, but there's all these clips of him like this, like listening to something and his eyes are getting wider and wider. And I'm like, that's the best idea for a party I've ever heard in my life.
Sammi: Um, But, you know, it's like I've I don't know why it's like I'm that girl in the bathroom that people will tell shit to. You know what I mean?
Steve: Oh, was same, same.
Sammi: Like, I'm just minding my business and someone is telling me about their like I literally had somebody this was like as I was going through my divorce. I'm like walking down the street and somebody I know came up to me and was like and just started.
Sammi: i had just come out of a yoga class with a friend and they were like, I'm thinking about like divorcing my spouse. Like and
Steve: oh Cool. Like, what do you yeah what do you say about that?
Sammi: What do you mean?
Steve: way
Sammi: Like, yeah, they were also like, oh, your ex said there was infidelity. I'm like, oh, he cheated. um
Steve: Mistakes were made.
Sammi: Yeah. I was like, oh, I learned about I taught passive voice. I understand this. But so she told me that and I was like, oh, that's funny. Well, this is like the truth, whatever. And I was just trying to keep it short because it's like we are literally passing each other on the street and I have like other places I need to go.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And then, yeah, they started being like, yeah, so I was thinking about divorcing my spouse and things aren't going well and whatever. And what do you think? And I was like,
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: I mean, they're divorced now. so i So obviously they decided to go through with it a long time ago. But I was just like, ah what do you do with that information? it's like if they're And it seemed like a very like emotional response.
Sammi: So I was like, I don't know.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: don't know what this person is going through. Maybe they'll change their mind. Maybe you know they're just like having like a moment and they had a really bad fight. or i don't You know what I mean? And maybe they'll...
Steve: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Sammi: settle down and feel differently and they're just like reacting really strongly like like from the position of Alex like that's kind of what it felt like is it's like this person came up to me was in a really like emotional vulnerable state just spilled their guts at me without me like really knowing what to do and then I'm like well do I say anything or do I just like see how this plays out and I'm like it's not really any of my business like
Steve: yeah
Sammi: if their spouse had come to me, like I knew them as well and had said like, hey, do you think anything's up with so-and-so? Like I probably would say, okay, well,
Steve: How's the marriage?
Sammi: I'd be like, well, now that you mention it, something really weird happened the other day.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: like But I'm like, this isn't my job. to like
Steve: who
Sammi: This is between you two. You need to sort this out.
Steve: the
Sammi: So that's kind of how I feel like Alex viewed the situation. And Jeremy did tell her that he and Bailey talked and like everything was all good. And I feel like we did see a snippet of that on the show as well. So I don't have i don't feel like...
Sammi: And it would have been great if it had come from her shore, whatever, but she still didn't have the full details. Brian did. And yeah, it's like, I think he's doing it to try to break up a strong couple in the house.
Steve: Yep. Either for strategic reasons or because he wants to bang Bailey.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Or both.
Sammi: Right. But it's like they they have answered well in the challenges.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: They perform well in the challenges. So they are um formidable opponents for people. So it makes sense to take them down.
Steve: no
Sammi: Like now the couples are starting to say, oh, yeah, we shouldn't take out the weak ones. We should take out the strong ones. It's like, yeah, no shit. You know, so it's like.
Steve: Yeah, stop getting rid of old people. What are you doing?
Sammi: Yeah, it's kind of goofy, right?
Steve: Do you think kim can like Captain Kim cannot win anything unless it's a weird boat grandpa challenge?
Sammi: They're not going to make it. They're not going to make it all the way. So it's like you might as well. Yeah. Just take out somebody strong. So, yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So it's just it's very interesting. um Let's kind let's kind of recap the episode a little now that we're 30 minutes in.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um Yeah. So at the beginning, my note was that all the contestants were portrayed as animals. um And the funny thing was Faith was riding Kim and then there were some some bugs banging.
Sammi: Um, so that was kind of interesting. Um, but yeah, uh, right out the gate, this, this whole thing is just like so weird. Like it starts with Brian and Prisa being in like a weird, bad place and talking about how Brian made her cry the other night.
Sammi: And it's like, yeah, she's such a, she's so sweet and she's so weird in a great way.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: And it's like, he's making her apologize for being herself. And like, I've definitely been there.
Steve: A week into the relationship!
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: One week!
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Uh-uh.
Sammi: Been there, done that.
Steve: No.
Sammi: It sucks. It's not fun. And she needs to get out of there because she's way too cool. She's way too cool for this. It's just ridiculous.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um And then, yeah, I mean, here, here's a sign of like Kim not being able to make it all the way. I mean, his, his heart, he's got, you know, blood pressure heart rate issues he had to wear a heart monitor um and it made faith cry which i thought that made me tear up a little i'm gonna be honest and okay i'm curious what you think because kathy was really like she hates kim and faith what the hell
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: She was so funny. She's like, if kim if Kim touched me like that, all my skin would die and fall off and I'd just be bones.
Sammi: kathy i was like girl calm down like she's yeah and she's like it's fake it's fake yeah she's like i think it's fake it doesn't make any sense to me but i don't read it as fake
Steve: Yeah. Let boat grandpa be horny. Come on. Like...
Steve: I don't think it's fake. I just don't want it to happen to me. And it's not, it's on TV. Like the boat captain won't hurt you, Steve.
Sammi: right and and they seem to enjoy each other you know so i mean mild spoiler um as far as i know they are still together
Steve: It's fine.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: Yeah. I mean, they're off the show now, so I feel like I can say that. um But yeah, as far as I know, I didn't really look into it that far, but I do think that they are still together.
Sammi: um So like good for them, you know, and I kind of I don't know.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: i think they make sense. Like when people say they're surprised, I'm like, I don't know. That doesn't totally surprise me. think they could kind of balance each other out in a nice way. So, yeah, I think that works. Like, you don't want to be exactly like the person you're with. I think that's what kind of makes them like he's so serious.
Sammi: And like Faith, like what did she teach us? What, like broadcast radio classes or something like that? Right. Yeah. So she's like, she's like a horse media girl. Like she's cool, you know?
Steve: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And I think that's kind of nice. Like he needs that. He needs someone to kind of like push him a little bit. Um, so I, I don't know. I think, I think it makes sense, but anyway. Um, so now, so we're dealing with that. Like he's got this heart monitor stuff and, you know, and yeah, by the end of the episode, I think that's when we find out like all is good. So that's good.
Sammi: Um, We also have um a monitor Leia and Jonathan because Leia's like, what the hell?
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Like, I'm still being friend zoned. Like, what is going on? And he's like, you know what? Yeah, I guess I should have been honest with you about that. But he did. I mean, he was like, I'm not saying that there's not a potential for more.
Sammi: And she's like, no.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Yeah. No, it's either yes or no. Okay, so like if we're going to be friends, let's just be friends.
Steve: Ah.
Sammi: And I'm like, okay, I guess.
Steve: Again, this sucks because like, ah so Jonathan doesn't have a connection with anybody, whatever. Like you can't force that shit and he's not trying to.
Sammi: Right, at least he's being honest. I don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: People are really like mad at him about being honest.
Steve: yeah how can you be mad at him? I'm sorry. You get stuck with the one woman. It's like, Oh, well, no one's with her. So you have to be, don't think so.
Steve: Ah, not for me. He's fine. Now he could have been a little bit more clear, but also he's like, I don't know. She's hot. Maybe something will develop. He's I think he's just trying to be a normal human being, but you can't be when you're on paradise.
Steve: So anyone who's mad at him?
Sammi: Right. I think that's the.
Steve: No. Uh, uh,
Sammi: I think that's the problem. Jonathan is very normal, and I I feel like I always root for the very normal people on the show. And a lot of the times they're not good TV.
Steve: like I'm sorry but if anybody sees any ghosts dancing across my face I want you to know that there is just like we we we had like a like a tree just sort of like blew down kind of by the window here and now the sun is shining through and it's like angling sunlight into my eyeballs so I don't have a skin disease or but I'm not being attacked by ghosts
Sammi: and Yeah, no, I see it.
Sammi: Yeah. If you see if you see any smoking or hissing, that's just because he's a vampire. So it's fine.
Steve: I am a vampire yeah it's great it's fine
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's the thumbnail. um
Steve: Oh, if I sit back, it's better.
Sammi: Deja, clip it.
Steve: I'm going to do this.
Sammi: Don't forget to clip it.
Steve: Deja, make me look terrible. All the all the like angry takes are like, Jonathan's good. Actually, I never would have told anybody, especially Bailey, about and anything going on, you know?
Steve: Bros? There's the clip. That's it. Yeah.
Sammi: Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Steve's worst moments. And we'll call that time stamp 34 minutes.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: um So,
Steve: ah
Sammi: so yeah, no, I mean, it's like, it's weird, right?
Steve: This what I did.
Sammi: Cause it's like, I'll, I'll feel myself go, yeah, that's fucked up. And then I'm like, wait a minute, wait, hold on. I'm in bachelor brain. I need to go back to regular person in the real world brain.
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: Yes. Like this is an accelerated timeline. Everyone who comes here acts like, I'm in love immediately, you know? And it's like, it's been 13 days.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And if he's not attracted to any, and they're like, they're like, well, why won't he just like open up and enjoy this experience? And it's like, okay, so there's been like maybe a dozen women on the beach or something like that.
Steve: Yeah, and he literally gets stuck with one.
Sammi: There's a,
Steve: There's one.
Sammi: there's a chance that you don't like 12 people. You know what I mean?
Steve: very good chance.
Sammi: There's a chance that you don't like 12 people. um it was so funny.
Steve: I can tell you right now, I don't think I'd like 1,200 people, so it's very reasonable.
Sammi: yeah
Sammi: You know, this was like a conversation my husband and I had last night, oddly enough, because we it's our it was our second year anniversary this weekend. Thank you Thank you
Steve: Yay.
Sammi: And we were like reminiscing about like, you know, oh bar stuff, like old nightlife stuff, you know, as we're like, he's been taken out today. We had one cocktail in one shot and he has...
Sammi: Not done well today.
Steve: Just cashed out.
Sammi: Let's put it that way. Listen, I came home. I did some Denise Austin tapes and ate a bunch of bread and I feel great today.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Um, But yeah, him, not so much. We were like talking about it, you know, and I was like, oh, yeah, remember like those two people, you know, who worked at those bars and they were like, they slept with everybody, you know, I'm like, but not me.
Sammi: ah And I'm like, I'm like, it's just so weird because it's like, yeah, how would you how are you even interested in that many people? Like, that's what I think about. And it's like, those are the people who would probably do really well on Bachelor in Paradise because they're just like, hey, you have a pulse and that's very attractive to me.
Steve: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: And um for me, I'm like, yeah, I don't know. So I think, yeah, he's just being like a normal guy. And they're like, well, why isn't he opening himself up to this opportunity? Maybe like the woman or women he said he was excited to meet in Paradise never showed up.
Sammi: Like, I don't know, because they always ask them that question. Maybe they didn't show up or maybe they were dating somebody else and he decided to
Steve: Or maybe you meet him and you're just like, oh, you're not what I thought you were.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: And that's okay.
Sammi: Exactly. There's so many different scenarios possible.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So it's just really weird that, yeah, they're they're gunning for him like this. And I also think it's interesting. I'm sure that this is like something with bad relationship experience that Leia's had, you know, but it's like just like Kathy getting on Kim like, oh, well, he's been touching everybody.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: It's like, well... That's kind of what paradise is about, you know, but at the same time, it's like, but you know, the, all the women being like, Jonathan isn't interested in anyone.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: It's like, but that can also be ah thing that happens in and the real world.
Steve: It's totally okay. Don't force your love on our our beautiful six-pack boy.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Come on. Let him live. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: He is. Yeah. One of our faves. Okay. So you need to be nice to him. Cause we said so.
Steve: Yes, and i need I need you all to just wrap your mind around the fact that two people can be ridiculously hot and not be right for each other, and that's okay.
Sammi: Yes.
Steve: It's okay.
Sammi: And that's okay. Listen. Yeah. Everybody get, get, get that brain rot out, you know, wash, get some Q-tips, get that brain run out and, and join us in the real world here.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So anyway, but now that makes Leah happy. Cause she's like, okay, if we're friend zoned, then we're going to just win this game. And I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
Sammi: Or you could just leave yourself open to whatever happens.
Steve: hu
Sammi: um Maybe you're discussing it to death. I don't know. um So there's this whole rendezvous challenge thing that happens this week.
Steve: which is so dumb
Sammi: You didn't like it. um So they basically like ask questions and everybody has got chalkboards and they're they've got headphones on and they ask a question.
Steve: hmm
Sammi: and it's basically the newlywed game, but you can't see each other. And you see how people answer. And it's like... I mean, just because people don't answer things the same way doesn't mean they're not compatible.
Sammi: It's not like, what do you think your partner said?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like, how well do you know them? It's just like, these are the things we like all the same things.
Steve: Yeah. What's your favorite pizza topping? Ooh, pepperoni.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Wow. We're so compatible. No, you're not. Everybody likes pepperoni. Like get out of here.
Sammi: Again, well, yeah, I mean, again, it's like, this is something I was, I'm i'm in like this group where, what was it? I'm trying to remember what food it was. It wasn't a pickle.
Sammi: It was something else, but, oh, what kind of cookies do you like?
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Crispy or chewy? That was the question.
Steve: Oh, good question.
Sammi: Okay. And I said, crispy. And one of my friends who is in there said chewy. And when I said crispy, they got upset with me.
Steve: Oh, wow.
Sammi: And they said friendship revoked. And I said, listen, think about it this way. Cookies come out. You get the chewy ones. I get the crispy ones. And they said, good point.
Sammi: Friendship reinstated. And I'm like, that's how it works in our house where I don't really like I'll eat a pickle if it is on a sandwich, I guess. But I don't really care for them.
Sammi: I won't go out of my way to eat them. I'm not like one of those pickle weirdos who's like, you got to put it on everything. You need pickle pizza and pickle everything.
Steve: Have we learned nothing from the Jack Spratt rhyme that you learned as a child?
Sammi: Yes, it's just, it's a clay exactly, exactly.
Steve: ah
Sammi: Opposites to attract, right? so what So what happens is I get a sandwich. It comes with a pickle spear. My husband gets the pickle. Okay, like because he likes to eat pickles.
Steve: It's nice.
Sammi: He's not also a fanatic, but he enjoys eating them and I can give them to him. And that makes for a good relationship dynamic.
Steve: Yeah, and you know what my feelings are on the matter?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: I always say ACAB. All cookies are beautiful. I don't care if it's crispy. I don't care if it's soft. I just love cookies.
Sammi: How when did that jump in your head?
Steve: ACAB all day. Yeah.
Sammi: That's a good one. All cookies are beautiful. um Yeah, I mean, well, and then people were like, started to get into technicalities. and they're like, well, what about Oreos? Because those are crispy or whatever, you know, it's like, well, maybe or well, I was like, you wouldn't want to eat like a chewy almond cookie.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: Almond cookies are best when they're crispy. Like, let's think.
Steve: Anytime someone asks me a question like this, where it's it's just like this or this, I have 300 follow-up clarifying questions that I need answered first.
Sammi: Okay. You need to come to this group with me because like, that's always the thing that derails the whole conversation.
Steve: and
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And then the person who asked the questions gets mad and goes, you cannot, yeah, you cannot ask Leah.
Steve: That's why we have a podcast together, because I derail the conversations. Yeah,
Sammi: It's like every trolley problem cannot come with 500 follow-up questions. We will never get this done.
Steve: yeah.
Sammi: The trolley has already killed everybody.
Steve: Well, but but the the point that you're getting to here is the the questions are silly.
Sammi: Yes.
Steve: And the other thing is, is like in the timeline of where we're at with The Bachelor right now, the whole thing is silly, okay?
Sammi: Yes.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Everyone is solid as a couple, okay? you're You're not, because the whole idea behind this is temptation. So earlier on, they had essentially this exact same challenge where you could do like secret smooches with someone if you wanted to and people did But that was very early on.
Steve: Now we're further along. You've solidified the couples. If this was regular paradise, perhaps, perhaps you could jumble things up a bit.
Sammi: There'll be some shakeups. Yeah.
Steve: But you can't because no one else is coming to the island. OK, ah and you've introduced money. You've introduced reasons to not break up your couple, because at the very least, you're like, I know this person well enough.
Steve: And we work well enough as a team. And if I screw this up, if I blow up the couple, then I also lose a chance at $500,000. So am I going to like secret rendezvous someone and screw up all that money?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: no
Sammi: Yeah, exactly. The stakes are way too high. And also like... Like say, say this worked well, say someone did a rendezvous and it worked well and they decided to couple up.
Sammi: And then what happens to the other two? They couple up with each other and then they gun for you and take you down. Like if you had a good comfy standing, you've put it on shaky ground. Like what are the new rules?
Sammi: You know, is it, well, if the couple disintegrates, no more couple, the new couple stays, the old couple goes.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like they never introduced the mechanics of what happens if you decide to shake things up. I mean, I guess it's still like the men have the roses, the women have the roses and they're switching.
Sammi: So presumably it could be right.
Steve: Oh, we shouldn't even have, this is my other opinion. We shouldn't have roses at this point. Why, why are we doing a rose ceremony?
Sammi: Right.
Steve: We're, we're,
Sammi: It should be all voting. It should be all voting.
Steve: Yeah, we're we're voting to eliminate couples, but also then we have to have this performative rose ceremony simply because we've always done it.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: What purpose does a rose ceremony serve in Bachelor in Paradise at this point?
Sammi: Right.
Steve: Nothing, nothing at all.
Sammi: Right. Right. I think the only way you could do a rose ceremony is by announcing who has the votes, which is kind of what they did, but it's like, then the roses should go to both of them at the same time.
Sammi: I don't know. It's just weird. The whole thing is weird.
Steve: yeah it's silly.
Sammi: So yeah, but, but my point is, yeah, the questions do not mean that you're, it's a good couple like that you answered all of the questions the same way. Like, yeah, it can. We've talked about this before, like chemistry and compatibility, right? Like those are two important things.
Sammi: So showing, but compatibility can also mean that like my partner has different interests and I take interest in their interests. Like I want to know what they're interested in. Like,
Sammi: you know We talk a lot in our house about like what the center of our Venn diagram is. you know And it's Spinal Tap, if you were wondering. It's Spinal Tap.
Steve: Good choice.
Sammi: that is That is the exact center of our Venn diagram.
Steve: Excellent.
Sammi: And it makes perfect sense if you know us. But like yeah, it's like, am I into 80s hair metal? like No. like Have I gone to go seek? kiss with him? Yes.
Sammi: And I would do that again, you know, and I would go see other bands, whatever.
Steve: Mm-mm.
Sammi: Like, it's no big deal. Does he really want to go to like improv shows with me? Not all the time, but he knows that I pick good ones and so he'll go. Right. So it's like, but do I really, would I really want to date like a white man in improv or marry a white man and in improv? No.
Sammi: So just because I'm interested in it doesn't mean that that makes for compatibility. OK, so think about your life's white men in improv. ah the The majority of our audience. um So, yeah, that was kind of weird. Like there were some pairings like I wrote down some of them.
Sammi: um oh and Jonathan and Leah did win. So, again, they have a good partnership.
Steve: the
Sammi: So they should just focus on that part. and They're getting too bogged down with technicalities. Leah is getting bogged down with technicalities.
Steve: yeah You don't have to kiss. Just be buds.
Sammi: Mm hmm. Just be buds. It's no big deal. um Alicia and Andrew. That was kind of funny. And they were like, ah no. um Dale and Parisa.
Sammi: Interesting. um Kim and Kathy. Kathy was like, hell fucking no. um Alex and Jeremy and they were like, um Brian and Kat.
Sammi: That was interesting. Leia and Jeremy. Again, I know um Bailey and Spencer. ah And that was funny. Spencer was like, ha you know what I'm going to say.
Sammi: Jess all the way. uh bailey and brian and then i was like oh damn and then yeah so then brian i yeah i felt like brian kind of didn't i think that's the end of his plausible deniability because i feel like he was a little too forward in this little pre-rendezvous meeting yeah
Steve: Yeah, why is he such a weasel? Yeah, it's, he's not believable.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Weasel man.
Sammi: um So then, yeah. So then they wait. Oh, wait. what an Oh, they're going to vote later. I wrote. So now they're voting, but i'm like, they didn't vote yet. um So this is so this is interesting.
Sammi: um Uh, so yeah, this is when Bailey finds out that she's been invited to a secret rendezvous.
Sammi: And the whole thing is weird too. I was trying to figure out like the timing of this. Like, wouldn't you notice that people are missing? Cause it's not like, I mean, yeah, they like, did they tell them that they had to be in their room for a certain period of time or that whole thing was so weird.
Steve: here yeah ah the whole thing is mysterious to me and what what is like what are the what are how does any of this work i don't understand ah silly
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah, because they're like, no one will know. And I'm like, I mean.
Steve: Also, half of them don't know what the word means. I think there's one conversation. So it what's a rendezvous? And someone's just like, it's like French for sexy meetup.
Sammi: yeah Yeah, was that? Yeah, was that Dale who asked that? I'm just assuming.
Steve: Probably. Yeah, don't know.
Sammi: Tumbleweed brain.
Steve: It might have actually been Jeremy. I'm not sure.
Sammi: Oh, really?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: That's so funny. Okay. Who didn't know? Yeah.
Steve: And I think Spencer was the one who clarified Yeah.
Sammi: Oh, I do remember Spencer clarifying, which is funny because you'd also think Spencer would be the kind of person who would be like, what's a rendezvous? um
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Anyway, I don't know if I can find it quickly. um But yeah, that was that was funny. But yeah, I just wasn't sure exactly like how that would have gone.
Sammi: Like if multiple people had gone on these rendezvous, wouldn't it be really easy to figure out? Well, like these people left the room at this time and these people left the room at this time.
Steve: hu
Sammi: So I was just like very confused about that.
Steve: It's all strange. And this entire episode is sort of laying bare all of the problems of like dramatically restructuring your TV show, and this is the first time you're rolling everything out, because all this stuff reeks of, we didn't really think about it, and we don't know what the outcomes are because we've never tested it before.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: So... Yeah, it feels like we're watching the beta version of what a final Bachelor in Paradise could look like a few years from now.
Sammi: ah her
Steve: But we ain't there yet. That's for sure. There's a lot of bugs.
Sammi: Okay. I found, i found the video too. Yeah. There is a lot of bugs. um Okay. Yeah, you're right. It was Jeremy. See, I'm giving Jeremy too much credit. Sorry, Dale. um
Steve: No, he has like sunstroke.
Sammi: I mean,
Steve: Look at him. Like, of course, he doesn't know what a rendezvous is. He doesn't know what his own middle name is.
Sammi: but yeah and to spencer's credit he said it's like a meeting but it's french so it's sexier which is a funny thing to say um and but then jeremy goes oh a sexual meeting and it's like that's not what spencer said spencer was just making a joke oh my god
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: No, that's not what that means.
Steve: Yeah. Can we get him a bottle of water, please?
Sammi: and Embarrassed. Embarrassing.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um But anyway, yeah, so funny. A sexual meeting. ah So, yeah, nobody decides to go on the secret rendezvous because Brian is willing to meet with Bailey, but Bailey is like, I can't. And she's just like nervously doing her nails the whole time.
Sammi: And here's the other thing that I think is weird. People are getting on Alex about not telling Bailey about Jeremy.
Sammi: But to be fair, Bailey did not tell Parisa that Brian asked to meet with her.
Steve: Yep. In fact, she was really bad at lying about it, too.
Sammi: She was super cagey about it, but I get she's in an awkward spot.
Steve: Awful.
Sammi: Like I'm not blaming Bailey. What I'm saying is I don't think anyone should be vilified for this stuff. um I'm not saying that Bailey was in the wrong for that, but also it's like arguably you're much farther along.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: The couples are solidified. It's make or break. I would assume that Bailey already knows that things are weird with Parisa and Brian, although I don't know how much Parisa is really... It doesn't seem like she's talking about it that much with the other women, how she's feeling.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: At least we haven't seen it on camera. um So I think that, yeah, it's like... If I was roommates with someone and the person that they were with, like, asked for this, I would probably say something. But I think she was giving Brian the chance to say something first.
Sammi: Because I don't think they had a chance to tell each other. I do think that there was like a prescribed amount of time that they weren't supposed to leave their rooms unless they were going to a rendezvous.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But yeah, with roommates, it's like, well, then someone's going to know.
Steve: Yeah, someone will always know.
Sammi: You're going to put some pieces together. So I don't know why they thought that would be like so secret. It's just kind of weird.
Steve: No, the thing is so silly.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: All of it's silly.
Sammi: Mm hmm. So, yeah, Bailey's like, well, I'm going to go talk to Jeremy first and I'm going to tell him that Brian wants to meet with me. um And yeah, that's kind of.
Sammi: Yeah, but that's like way nicer than what Jeremy deserved. I mean, that's the thing. She always gives Jeremy a heads up and he's so not thoughtful. So and she always has to wake him up to tell him everything.
Steve: that's all he does, because he has sunstroke. He just keeps...
Sammi: Jeremy, wake up. Yeah.
Steve: Lift weights, stand in sun, stare at sun. why Why no feel good? ah like that's That's his entire thing.
Sammi: Wow. Amazing.
Steve: A sun-bleached caveman making poor decisions without thinking about things.
Sammi: Yeah. I think, I mean, my conspiracy theory is he's only been outside for 15 minutes and that's just what happens to him.
Steve: That's just what happens. Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. Listen, as the palest person in the world, I feel like I'm allowed to say that. So, so
Steve: His, his emotional intelligence or lack thereof is is matched only by his pastiness and vulnerability in the sun.
Sammi: Yeah, for real. He is like a little Victorian child.
Steve: ah
Sammi: Like, come on.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: so yeah. um Anyway, Parisa, we've got your back and you got to watch your back. This guy he's bad news. um And then, OK, so they have that whole thing. Parisa's got to like talk to Brian to figure out like what the hell is going on.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And Brian's like and and yeah, Oh, yeah. um Because Parisa's like, just be honest with me. And he's like, no, it's like nothing like that.
Sammi: i just wanted to tell her about this you know thing that Jeremy said and whatever. And she's like, oh, OK. And it's like, I mean, I've been where Parisa's been, where it's like, you just want things to be good as fast as possible.
Sammi: So you're just you're like... okay, the coast is clear and everything's okay.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: And I'm just going to convince myself that I'm in a good position. And she's like, oh my gosh, like all of this stuff is making us closer. And I'm like, oh, it's like hurts to watch.
Sammi: It hurts to watch. It's really awful. I'm just like, you're going to get to the other side of this and you're going to be like so much stronger and more confident.
Steve: who
Sammi: But right now this man is really, i mean, it's, it is that like, yeah, pretty Bratz doll and rat from Fletch Away situation.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: It very much is that. um And yeah, this is where Kathy is like dogging on Kim and she's like, this whole Kim and Faye thing is not real. I don't believe it. And it's like, Kathy, just because he's not your cup of tea doesn't mean that like other people don't like that tea.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: um And then, okay, so there's like, most of this is like gossiping. Everything that happens after this is like a lot of people gossiping in little groups. Um, and Jess is so funny because I was like, i I gotta like, what does she remind me of? Like, who does she remind me of? And then I realized, Jess reminds me of every girl I knew who dated someone freshman year of college and is now married to them.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: And that number is quite high because I went to a private school in Indiana.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: Okay.
Steve: ah
Sammi: So like they were all out there trying to get their um MRS degrees. I literally wrote a paper about this my sophomore year um about like the weird ceremonies, especially like in sorority life. Cause I was in a sorority um about like, we would do, did i talk about candle passes before? i don't remember if I've ever talked about candle passes. Um, yeah,
Sammi: Okay.
Steve: I have no idea. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Okay. Let me explain. I'll explain as quickly as I can. um So basically in our sorority, and I think in all the sororities on our campus, I don't know how popular this is in every sorority, but we used to do something called a candle pass. So you'd like make an announcement based on um like if something was happening, like somebody got into a relationship, they're engaged, they're married, they're pregnant, whatever.
Sammi: you would have this like candle pass. And what would happen is it would start with one girl in the circle. And like, it was someone who knew what the news was. And the number of times it went around in the circle would tell you what the news was.
Sammi: was like between two passes and six passes. And then who it landed on was what the news was about. So we would like count
Steve: Can't you guys just talk?
Sammi: We talked afterwards. It was a ceremony.
Steve: a
Sammi: I don't know. But it was interesting because most of the announcements, I mean, all of the announcements had to do with like relationships, right?
Steve: Yeah, okay.
Sammi: And it would be, and yeah, like.
Steve: Sammy has broken up with Bruce. That's your college boyfriend.
Sammi: that was, that was high school.
Steve: and
Sammi: um
Steve: You dated a Bruce?
Sammi: Yeah, he had really sweaty hands.
Steve: How old was he?
Sammi: Sorry, Bruce.
Steve: 70?
Steve: mean, that
Sammi: Well, no, we we were freshmen in high school. But anyway, that's another story for another day.
Steve: would be great. um Yeah. Shout out, Bruce.
Sammi: Bruce. So, ah oh, my God, if he watched this, that would be so funny. um
Steve: I've just never met a Bruce who wasn't eligible for Social Security. I'm sorry.
Sammi: Well, I told him off on an answering machine.
Steve: That's...
Sammi: So anyway, he knows how I feel.
Steve: Oh, that guy.
Sammi: um
Steve: Okay.
Sammi: So, no. So, yeah, it would all it would all be like, you know, we had like lavaliers, which were like the necklaces with the Greek lettering. So, like, if someone lavaliered you, it meant like I hold you at the same esteem as my fraternity brothers.
Sammi: Or if they pinned you, it meant like you are higher than my fraternity brothers. And I got beat up by my frat bros because, you know. the patriarchy.
Sammi: And this so it'd be stuff like that or like someone got engaged, whatever. So, um, yeah, so I was, I think I sat through two candle passes. I wasn't um at the school or the sorority for very long, but I, I went to two different candle passes.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um But it was like it was so interesting because I'm at this school where and I actually asked this as a survey question. A lot of sorority girls were interested in coming to the school because they wanted to be engaged or married by the time they graduated.
Sammi: And that was more important to them than getting a degree.
Steve: Ew.
Steve: Ugh.
Sammi: So this was like a very normal thing. And and I'm not saying that that's who Jess is, but that's who just reminds me of. Like, I was like, what's the vibe here?
Steve: Mm.
Sammi: The vibe is, oh, I settled down immediately and now I am planning my entire life. You know, and I'm like, oh, that's like she just gives off those vibes and good for her. Listen, I hope they ride off into the sunset together, although we've seen quite a few couples in recent years where people call them like mom and dad by the end and all that stuff. And it didn't work out. So.
Sammi: Who knows what will happen in the real world? But um yeah, anyway, i I just had to share that because I was like, what is like she's given off this vibe and I need to place it. And when I placed it, I was like, oh, my God, it's exactly like all those girls I went to school with.
Sammi: um This is around the time to. OK, so like Bailey finds out what's happening. She gets really upset. Understandably, that sucks. That's like a punch in the gut.
Steve: so
Sammi: Um, and it is something that Jeremy should have said, but good for you, Bailey, for waking up Jeremy to yell at him about this. Well, I mean, she even yell. She was just crying, um, to be upset about this.
Steve: And he's like, what?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: He's like half asleep still.
Sammi: Good. Get him out of his groggy state and tell him that he's awful.
Steve: Get his ass.
Sammi: Yes. yeah I was like, I'm so glad you woke him up for this to make him feel bad. um Getting woken up to that is just like, that's got to be the worst feeling ever. And he was like, what? and And you could see like all the walls crashing down in his brain like, oh, no.
Sammi: That thing I said very loudly and impulsively to Brian, the man who should not be trusted. Was this the episode where Dale said something like, I thought Brian had more integrity than that? And I was like, are we looking at the same person?
Sammi: Like, he's like, I thought I thought more of you. And I'm like, you did?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: I guess, I mean, in Dale's defense, I don't think I could think any less of Brian. So maybe, don't know.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. dale Dale's just like, I thought you were better than that. I'm like, you did? why
Steve: I thought you were merely pond scum.
Sammi: Is that like...
Steve: Turns out you're worse.
Sammi: Yeah, yeah. I was just like, that was so strange.
Steve: i don't know. Well, I mean, Dale is, we have strong feelings about Dale as well on this show.
Sammi: He's like, that's low for you. I'm like, I feel like it's par for him.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: So, okay.
Sammi: Yeah, that's what i I was like, is this projection? Is this you hoping that you're red that way?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like, is this an image rehab?
Steve: Yeah, it's like when people say game recognized game, except it's douche recognized douche.
Sammi: Right. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, you know, Brian, a fellow good guy just like me in every way We're both good.
Steve: Yeah. of the good ones. Yeah.
Sammi: Right. um But anyway, yeah. so So this I mean, this sucked because it's like Bailey's crying next to this douche bag.
Sammi: And then she goes and wakes up another douche bag and cries with him. And to his credit, he didn't lie really.
Steve: no
Sammi: And that's good. So the one thing I'll give to Jeremy is he didn't get mad at Bailey. Like he didn't turn it around on her and get mad at her, yell at her, anything like that. Like get defensive, lie, anything. Yeah.
Sammi: He did comfort her and, you know, tried to like ease her, you know, feelings of being upset. um So that I, yeah, I really appreciate it because I was hoping that he wasn't going to be like,
Sammi: oh, you're making it all up or like you're crazy delusional. Why would you say such a thing? Where did you hear that? Like he did try to get to the bottom of it a little bit more to understand who was saying this stuff, which understandable.
Sammi: um But I do like that he comforted her and validated her But I just don't like that he said all that stuff in the first place because it's disingenuous.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: You just can't trust that how he actually feels about Bailey. And she is too good to be a second choice. Like Susie is also good. You know, Bailey and Susie are both great.
Sammi: And so neither one of them should be like the backup plan.
Steve: yep
Sammi: And it was gross.
Steve: Oh, totally.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Even if you realize like after the fact, you're like, oh, my backup plan was really good. It's like, well, shit, dude.
Sammi: Yeah, it's like, well, she's off being someone's first choice somewhere, you know, like that, you know?
Steve: Yeah, it sucks. well And and i get again, I get that he was playing the game, but you have to think that even if you take a moonshot, maybe your moonshot ain't going to work out.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And what are you left with?
Sammi: Right. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. The whole situation is bad and icky, and obviously it was the center of our whole recap and the center of the whole episode because it was the most controversial thing that's happened so far.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: There's just, like, not a lot going on on the beach. So... Um, but yeah. Oh, that is okay. But now I'm going to contradict myself because at some point, oh, Bailey did come to him and say that he had said that he would propose to Susie, which we saw and heard him say.
Sammi: um And he said he never said that. So that is lousy.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: So at that night, he was very comforting. But I think that was the next day that um he said that to her, like they're walking on the beach or something. Right. And then he was like, I never said that.
Sammi: And I was like, well, you did. But anyway, we saw it. um Yeah. Dale's exact thing he said to Brian was his integrity is too high for that.
Steve: it's too high integrity levels unprecedented
Sammi: And I'm like,
Sammi: I'm like, those are strong words, Dale. I don't know. um
Steve: Is that how we measure it? well God, the the whole thing is dumb.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: I'm sorry. This is...
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Dale, shut up, Dale.
Sammi: Your integrity is too high. So now they're going to like get into this like voting territory, right? Okay. Remember when I went on that rant about Sean a couple weeks ago? Yeah. Sean, you didn't have to tell us that you were a big fan of America.
Sammi: We know.
Steve: Yeah, I'm kind of get it, dude.
Sammi: We know. Yeah. He's like, I'm a big fan of America. I'm like, yeah, I could tell. um ah That's so funny.
Steve: Also, what a weird thing to say. like
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Stop being a little freak.
Sammi: Big fan. Big fan. He's so weird. Yeah, Sean, like, he's lucky because he really, like, skews me out. But because of, like, the other terrible men on the show, he's getting off way easy.
Sammi: Like, he's just always going to fly under the radar.
Steve: and Exactly.
Sammi: um But anyways, like, yeah, I love America and I love boating. like weird... just like a weird
Steve: we We do it all the time. Nobody does it like us.
Sammi: It's like a weird pageant to answer. um Okay. Also, there's like this little snippet around that time where someone was like, oh, you guys made out? And I couldn't tell who that was about. Was that about Leia and Jonathan or was it just like a random audio snippet about somebody else?
Steve: I have no earthly idea. I have no recollection of that. So I can't, I can't weigh in.
Sammi: You don't remember that? Oh, I actually rewound it and press play again.
Steve: I can't weigh in. a
Sammi: And I was like, can I surmise anything from any of this?
Steve: Mm.
Sammi: It was like when they were all in a group. And this was like when everybody was chatting right before like the voting time, like the cocktail hour before the voting time.
Steve: Yeah. I mean, yeah, probably.
Sammi: And I was like, i was like, who did?
Steve: And I don't think it changes anything. You know, it's a really good way to see if you have physical chemistry with someone that you may or may not be attracted to make out with them.
Sammi: I know. But I wanted to know.
Steve: How do you feel afterwards? Do you feel excited? Really great. Jeez. Maybe there's something there. Maybe there's a spark. You're like, eh, I don't know. Well, maybe there's not. So. Yeah.
Sammi: Anyway, it was very interesting to hear a little thing, but i yeah, I could not i cannot figure out exactly what happened.
Steve: and This is, they've been doing some weird sound editing too. Like my boy, Jeremy, no, he's not my boy. First of all, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. ah Jeremy, a man who is not my boy. The only thing I will say really in his defense, sort of following the the fallout of of Bailey confronting him on not telling her about the Susie stuff is they ADR'd his ass bad.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: Like there's at least three instances that I can recall vividly where i was like, well, Whoa, that was definitely an audio splice that you guys did there. That is not supposed to be there.
Steve: And which fine, because I'm sure if you were a producer and editor, would say, what was for clarification on this, that, and the other thing.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: But when it's that blatantly obvious, that it's very easy for someone to be like, oh, they edited it. Mm hmm.
Sammi: Yeah, there's been a lot of accusations about that throughout the season from multiple people who've been on the show.
Steve: one
Sammi: and it sounds like it's more egregious than it's been in the past, which I believe.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But again, like no like no one can make you say something that you didn't say.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um So if somebody if a producer wants you to say a certain thing and you're not quite sure why they want you to say it
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: You can always say no. It might mean you get less airtime, you know, whatever.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: It might mean that they tell your story a different way. So you got to be strategic about it. You never know how they're going to edit you. Like, it's all unpredictable. But, you know, it's like, yeah.
Steve: I'm about to find out with our our TikTok clip edit of of the things I've said on this show.
Sammi: Yeah, we're going to have you like, splic it's going to splice all these things together where where you're like, i like punching kittens or something. And you're like, what?
Steve: Yeah. and then And then at the end, it's just going to be like, and I stand by every word.
Sammi: Yeah, exactly.
Steve: no one has edited anything I've said to be untrue.
Sammi: That's how it's...
Steve: Let's teen it up.
Sammi: ah Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, you know, that's that's the thing. Like, I mean, yes, you could. I always think about that Simpsons episode because my brain is just Simpsons episodes. It's like half Simpsons episodes.
Sammi: um So I always think about that gummy Venus de Milo interview where they, you know, where Homer's talking about sweet candy and they make it sound like he's talking about a babysitter sweet can.
Steve: You
Sammi: And that could happen. And you see like the clock clock. the arms are going like this in the background because it's so spliced ah to heck, you know, and it's like, yeah, I definitely have noticed more ADR, but at the same time, like no one can make you say certain things like no one can make you say I, you know, yeah, I want to propose to Susie or whatever or like, you know,
Steve: can get sweet canned at any time. Yeah.
Sammi: whatever things that you've said, like that there's a certain now, maybe there's a splice that says like, he could have been like, in no way did I ever say that I want to propose to Susie on the spot, but I just want to talk to her.
Sammi: Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Steve: Very possible. Yeah.
Sammi: Very possible. Very possible. um But would you, would that be associated with like having like a total crash out and calling? I don't know. Probably not.
Sammi: So who knows? Who knows? ah These things will be left on the cutting room floor. They're up for speculation forever. And usually when contestants come out and talk about these things, they quickly get tapped by producers and they go, ah, ah,
Sammi: you can't talk about this.
Steve: No, no.
Sammi: So we'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, I definitely think that there's some slicing and dicing. So we'll pay attention in the weeks to come with things that we think like come out a little suspicious.
Steve: The contestants can't say it, but we can, unless ABC wants to pay us, because my integrity is for sale.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: There you go. There's another one.
Steve: There's another good one, yeah.
Sammi: yeah My integrity is for sale.
Steve: Deja, you get all this?
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: um But yeah, so anyway, like what is for sale for sure are people's votes. And like if you were playing it right, you would just be a people pleaser up until the voting.
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: That is how you play smart um or at least go unnoticed so that no one is putting a target on your back. But instead, again, people are not voting strategically either because like how the hell did did this be how it worked out?
Steve: No.
Sammi: Okay, so um b Brian's like, okay, There's definitely a target on my back. The men have the power this week. I need to watch out for, like, what's happening, right? But it's like the men have the power, but everybody's voting.
Sammi: So that's another confusing thing.
Steve: No.
Sammi: um So um there are two... Okay, so basically... It was really like Keith and Kathy, Faith and Kim and Brian and Parisa who were like potentially on the chopping block that people were like, got to get them out of here again, eliminating the goldens, not the smartest strategy in my opinion, but you got to do what you're going to do, I guess.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Steve: no
Sammi: So what happens is, um yeah, Keith and Kathy get to stay because I'm sure Kathy has politicked her way through all of that.
Steve: Sure, of course.
Sammi: She's like, why? What's the point? Why would you get rid of me? Little old me? I couldn't hurt fly.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Come on. I'm going to be in your corner. I'll vote for you. I got your back. I know Kathy is like definitely doing that kind of stuff behind the scenes.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: um And Keith's like, i just want to hang out. He has no strategy, but Kathy's got all the strategy. And Keith's strategy is hang very close to Kathy. Smart. Smart. smart.
Sammi: um So somehow um Brian gets the last rose, which means Lee and Faith go home. I said Lee. Did I say Lee twice?
Steve: Because he looks like Kim?
Sammi: Kim? Because he looks like Captain Lee.
Steve: Because he looks like Captain Lee from below deck?
Sammi: I literally did. I write Lee in my notes. That's so funny.
Steve: Yeah, because Kim was like, if anybody votes for me, I'll put a boot in your ass!
Sammi: um Listen,
Sammi: damn it. No, I never wrote Lee. I wrote Kim. So I'm not completely losing it. I just went into a fugue state and said Lee.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um Listen, he wishes he was Captain Lee because Captain Lee is cooler for sure.
Steve: We all do.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um But yeah, Kim and Faith go home. And but it's fine because, again, you kick them off early. They live in the same place. If they want to hang out, they can hang out. It's no problem. It's literally the lowest stakes people to remove.
Steve: Yeah, pretty much.
Sammi: You know, but the fact that not a lot of people voted for Brian enough to get him out and that there were enough people to vote Keith is surprising. That shows me that your strategy is all backwards.
Sammi: Like, why? Why vote Keith? Like, he's not a threat. Don't worry about him. He's fine.
Steve: now
Sammi: You know, you don't have to worry about that kind of voting someone like that off until like way later. So like there's no reason to worry about them now. Um, but we get one more week of probably stressful TV to look forward to because Brian and Parisa stay around.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And right now things are way up for Parisa. She, she got, you know, one of those love kernels, um, that gets talked about on crazy ex-girlfriend. Anyone knows that reference?
Sammi: Probably not. um But Rachel Bloom had a great song on there. I don't know if she was one who wrote it. I just assumed she did because it's very her. But, ah you know, about someone who gives you just a little bit of attention, says one nice thing to you, and you're just eating up those love kernels.
Sammi: um And that's what Brian gave her. So she's like, it's enough to stick around and I feel fine about it.
Steve: one And Brian, he really wants to be the main character.
Sammi: hmm.
Steve: But the problem, Brian, is you want to be the main character and you think you're going to be the protagonist when you, my friend, are the antagonist. You're a bad guy.
Sammi: Yes.
Steve: You're a bad guy, buddy. You're just gonna have to come to terms with this. And the sooner you come to terms with it, the more I'll probably like you. Like, be a douchey, slimy villain, but own it. Don't sit here pretending to be Jafar from Aladdin, who is, you know, actually has the best interests of the world in mind. Don't, don't, no, no, and no, no.
Steve: That's, I don't think so, buddy. You're a supervillain. Just go with it.
Sammi: You know, and that reminds me, this is a perfect thing to close with, I think. ah That reminds me of the post, the story that I sent you earlier today of someone who really thinks that he can be a hero and he really needs to get his head straight.
Steve: Oh, God.
Steve: No.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um
Steve: You know who else thought he was a hero?
Sammi: This is
Steve: Ted Kaczynski. That's...
Sammi: Wow, I wouldn't go that far.
Steve: ah but But also, if you are posting on social media a shirtless picture of yourself with walls of text...
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Absolutely not. You are, you're spiraling. Just get, step away, step away.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sure. um I didn't say those things.
Steve: I did hundred percent.
Sammi: You said those things.
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: um But what I will say is, okay, there's like, this I think is just annoying and gross in and of itself. There's a lot of people who like, for some reason didn't like Rachel.
Sammi: And again, I think it's just because she's a normal girl. I don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And I think because she's gorgeous. I don't know. I think there's like weird jealousy and shit. Like Rachel is like one of like the most like stunning women that's ever been on the show. And I think she's got a good personality. And even when she spirals, I think it's fun. Okay. So I like her.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Listen, Rachel and Gabby.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: We're the dream team. Love them both so much. And but and Gabby has gotten a lot of credit and notoriety and like and she's definitely wackier than Rachel. We all know this. But like Rachel is a wonderful person, I i think, and you know, parasocially.
Sammi: um But for some reason, like people have just like really come at her in a way that like they did not come at Gabby or a lot of like past Bachelorettes. She's kind like a lot of unnecessary hate.
Sammi: And it's kind of weird because like she was on...
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: i think she was on The Vile Files. Whatever. She was on... some podcast recently and has been talking about this whole perfect match stuff, which we'll have to cover soon. And, you know, the stuff with Clayton and whatever. And I mean, she's talking shit.
Sammi: Susie's kind of talked shit. And, you know, Gabby's also this talk shit, you know, um in their own ways. And now people have started to be like, oh, Now I'm starting to like Rachel. I'm like, she's been like this the whole time. So I don't, it's not like she's changed her personality. So you just weren't paying attention. You just hated her for no reason, which is just weird. um But Clayton is just constantly having to rehab these image, his image, because these women are just like coming from now. Do I think it's good that that one weird ass woman like claim that he had a baby with her and whatever? No, nobody deserves that.
Sammi: That was terrible.
Steve: That was bad.
Sammi: That was terrible. no That should not happen to a soul. I don't care how much I dislike them. What a nightmare. I'm so sorry that he went through that. But he does himself no favors. And I will post this in the notes.
Sammi: When he posts like a photo of himself and he's like, resistance training is a lifestyle.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Gym at 530, six days a week No alcohol consumed. In bed at 9.30 p.m. six days a week. Eating healthy, whole foods with no processed foods six days a week.
Sammi: And yes, I'm going to read this whole thing to you.
Steve: Okay, and just just pause real quick because if you're going, why does this sound familiar? To me, it sounds like, have you seen the movie American Psycho when he's like describing his morning routine?
Steve: And he's like, and then I ice my face for 30 seconds and then I do 97. Like, that's what this is. This is the American Psycho training montage.
Sammi: Yes. So there's a lot of men on like, I mean, I'm only really on TikTok. I'm not and on Instagram. The only time I see Instagram stories is like when I see them on Reddit, basically, or on TikTok.
Sammi: um So I saw this on Reddit. um But yeah, so this is like his, this is um everything that I'm about to read you, plus what I just read you. It's all part of literally one image on an Instagram story.
Sammi: but So that's why steve said wall of text. Like this is what we need to express to you. But there's like plenty of men on like TikTok and stuff. Thank God I only ever see the stitches, the responses to the weirdness who post like their morning routine of, you know, it's like I get up at 4 a.m. and I do all these things. It's like also that man who like spends like $250 million dollars a year or some shit like that trying to like reverse his age. Have you heard about him?
Steve: Yeah, he just looks weird.
Sammi: Yeah. He just, he just like looks like moist, like, and pale.
Steve: ah
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, like he does not look healthy.
Steve: It's good. No, it's great, too, because he's not even that old.
Sammi: So yeah.
Steve: and you're like, oh, dude, I don't know.
Sammi: Yeah, he's in his 40s, but you're like, are you? Like, don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah, it's bad. So anyway, anyway, he continues. I've lifted weights at least five days a week for a minimum of one hour a day since I was 12 years old. I'm obsessed with the gym.
Sammi: It's the first thing I do when I wake up to get a dopamine release and start off my day on a great note. And it keeps me mentally sane. The days where I don't lift, I'm more anxious slash agitated.
Sammi: um I don't need to share every hobby with a partner, but I've found within the last couple of years, like, is that shade to all the women that you've like been with in Bachelor Nation?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: What the hell is up with that? Anyway, that weightlifting is a non-negotiable for me and a relationship. I'll be working out well into my 70s and likely until I cannot physically lift anymore.
Sammi: I want to share that part of my life with someone else and be one of the gym couples people see around. It's just a personal preference at this point in my life. He continues.
Sammi: And I forgot how bonkers this was.
Steve: Why are we sharing with the class? That's what I want to know, Clayton.
Sammi: Okay. And by the way, ah Rachel and I have spoken on the phone twice over the last week. We both agree that we have different lifestyles and that's perfectly okay. We respect that about one another and just want the other to be happy.
Sammi: We also both agree we make a mess on reality TV together and need to quit doing that laughing emoji. Like he's like, yeah, she's on my side, guys. I'm like,
Sammi: Rachel's probably too nice to correct this. Um, because she's not Gabby.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um,
Steve: Meanwhile, Gabby's like, oh, you like to wake up at 530 and lift heavy things? Is it easier to lift because you're a thumb?
Sammi: Yeah, she's and he's just like, um, mental health is no joke. It's like she called you a thumb. You can't handle that.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: OK, then maybe don't be on two reality shows now.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: If you can't handle public criticism, you are putting yourself on reality TV. Nobody is forcing you.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: That's pretty mild.
Steve: Sorry, Thumbelina. Go cry about it.
Sammi: somebody yeah Somebody actually has used it as a meme already and put them in like a clown wig and a clown nose. And they've changed some of the captions like clowncore is a lifestyle.
Steve: I just, it's so weird.
Sammi: Ha ha at 530.
Steve: Even if this is important to you, like if you're like, oh, non-negotiable for me in my relationship is someone who's into fitness as much as I am because it's a major part of my life and but but but but but but whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. Fine, fine.
Steve: Why are we putting this on the internet? We don't need to put this on the internet. Nobody needs to know this. What are you doing other than being weird? You're being weird, man. Don't be so weird. Like, what why are we doing this?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Imagine me like, you know, I just posted a picture of myself shirtless, which, by the way, you're a vampire.
Steve: Every morning I wake up at 7 a.m. I hit snooze because sleep is important to me. I take a shit. I wipe my butt. Like what? No one needs to know any of this.
Steve: It's
Sammi: Yeah. It's just... It's weird. It's very weird.
Steve: so weird.
Sammi: it is really weird behavior. And somebody...
Steve: Absolute thumb behavior.
Sammi: It's just strange because it's like, yeah, I too have a daily routine, but I keep it. I'm not doing it for other people. And my daily routine is different from my husband's daily routine because we have different schedules and different priorities for the things that we want to fit into our day.
Steve: Do you even lift, bro?
Sammi: i do lift, bro.
Steve: ah
Sammi: OK, I am the person in the relationship who lifts and I don't and I have a home gym. So am I going to be part of one of those gym couples that everybody talks about?
Sammi: No, because I work out at home.
Steve: um There you go.
Sammi: So it's just like it's like, I'm and I never once in my life was like, oh, when I went to a gym, because I used to go to Gold's Gym. um i think I mentioned that last week.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And that's why I built a cardio cinema in my basement, because I've been chasing that cardio cinema high since I got one at Gold's Gym. But like when I went to the gym, okay, when I was actually someone who went to a gym instead of having going to my basement or whatever,
Sammi: I would go there. I went and watched Clueless on the treadmill, you know, or I went to Zumba or cardio kickboxing or whatever. And then I like went into the locker room, like toweled off and went home.
Sammi: I wasn't like, oh, look at that gym couple over there. Like I literally i was like, I don't want to be perceived while I'm here. I'm definitely not going to perceive anyone else. The only people I talk to at the gym were like my instructors and my friends that I would do exercises with.
Sammi: Like, so who is anyone? I mean, maybe I'm out of touch. Stranger things have happened, but like, I just don't think most people go to the gym and go, oh yeah, that's such a cute gym couple.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: What are you talking about?
Steve: Weirdo shit.
Sammi: Like, I'm just like, I hope that nobody sees me do something like goofy.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: That's what I'm thinking.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I'm just like, I hope I'm using this machine correctly. um Boy, I hope I don't trip and fall off this treadmill. I'm not like, oh, look at that couple over there. I'm going to be talking about them because that's what people do.
Sammi: um People talk about gym couples. Yeah, I see them around. I see them around and I know that they're a gym couple.
Steve: Yeah. ah Sorry, girls. If you can't spot me at my personal best, you don't deserve me at my worst. Or so what? That makes no sense.
Sammi: Yeah, it's so strange.
Steve: Oh, God.
Sammi: um Somebody posted um in the comments, I i would say this this Reddit post is like definitely like a must read, um but somebody posted like a New York Times article from like a couple years ago, and the headline is, one partner runs the marathon and the other does everything else.
Steve: a oh god
Sammi: and they're talking about like the self-indulgence of people who run marathons and the other person is left to like pick up the slack and support and all that and listen as someone who has very strong main character energy in my relationship i'm always trying to be mindful of that like am i you know like i always kind of check in and go if i do this thing it's going to inconvenience us in some way and make you have to do something extra are you okay with that
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: You know, but like so they're saying, like, listen, Clayton, if you're both a gym couple and you're both prioritizing all this stuff and you're spending all this time on your daily routine, then like one of the dishes getting done.
Sammi: You know what I mean? Like maybe you could think about, well, I have these interests. She has these interests. And when she's off doing those things, I'm taking care of these things around the house.
Sammi: And then when I'm out, she's taking care of these things. And we have a functional relationship. But instead, he cares about aesthetics and, you know, just like silly bullshit.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And I really think he's pulling Rachel in because I would just I mean, maybe she will respond because she I will say the one thing is I feel like she's gotten a little more confident and a little more fiery.
Sammi: But she's being as honest as she has been in the past.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: So, um, maybe she will come back, but like, he kind of put her in a spot cause he's like, well, we've talked about this. Um, I think that's like very strategic, but yeah, somebody in on Reddit also compared him to Andrew Tate and said he probably likes Jordan Peterson.
Steve: He probably does.
Sammi: I mean, yeah.
Steve: clean Clean your room, Clayton.
Sammi: Yeah, it's just like it definitely is like giving like a teenager who doesn't understand relationships yet. That's what I have to say.
Sammi: um and is there a gym for personalities? Because he needs to start hitting that six days a week.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So, you know, i mean, it could be worse. ah Clayton could also be on this show and he's not anymore. So that's lucky. um Hopefully next week um it'll be better.
Sammi: i don't know. I'm not sure. um But we're going to be a little late in our next episode posting as long as all goes well. I'm going to be the one who looks messed up. So I will not be able
Steve: Hell yeah. Looking forward to it.
Sammi: Although I might be able to do it real quick Tuesday night before before I go in. So if I need distraction and decide I want to do this, you might get an extra early episode.
Steve: Oh, how cute would that be? We'd love that.
Sammi: So we'll see either way. Okay. But anyway, if, if, you if I see you before or after friends, just know that, um, you don't need to go into the gym ever. If you don't want to, you can just take care of yourself.
Steve: yeah Yeah, don't do needle drugs.
Sammi: However you need to, um, I would say hydrate, um, don't wait for water breaks because you never know where your mom stored your water bottle. Um, but just take care of yourself, go out into the sunlight, but not too much if you're very pale.
Steve: And also don't trip over your own feet in your own driveway and break your face open and bleed everywhere.
Sammi: Don't, yeah, don't get concussions.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: No concussions.
Steve: Just wake up and go, Oh no, did that happen?
Sammi: If you need an adult, it's okay. But you are also an adult.
Steve: Wow. That's not who you ask.
