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Soda Jerks: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Episodes 3-4
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So sorry to be so late on this, so we'll make it brief! Paradise is coming and so are more episodes, but Sammi's computer epically failed in this episode, so you're going to hae to wait a little bit, OK? But enjoy this for now!
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Introduction and Podcast Origins
00:00:17
Sammi
Hello, I'm Sammy.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:21
Sammi
And you're listening to the Soda Jerks?
00:00:26
Steve
We're workshopping it. We're workshopping it.
00:00:27
Sammi
You you're listening to Soda Jerks. Wait, I had an idea for a tagline with it, too. um
00:00:32
Steve
oh
00:00:32
Sammi
Will MomTalk survive this this recap podcast?
00:00:37
Steve
I like it.
00:00:37
Sammi
Okay, yeah, all right.
00:00:38
Steve
This is
The Golden Bachelor: Age Gaps and Preferences
00:00:39
Steve
our new million dollar idea.
00:00:39
Sammi
So,
00:00:40
Steve
Since The Bachelor is floundering, we probably should mention that apparently The Golden Bachelor slash Golden Bachelorette, these are supposed to be like the wholesome like versions of The Bachelor.
00:00:49
Sammi
ah
00:00:51
Steve
And somehow, the new Golden Bachelor is already the most hated man in America. So we're doing good.
00:00:58
Sammi
Yeah, all I heard was that he's like, well, my desired age range is just between like 45 and 60. And I was like, was like, gross.
00:01:04
Steve
And he's like 66!
00:01:08
Sammi
Now, to be fair, I am in an age gap relationship, but ah my husband isn't like that.
00:01:08
Steve
What is he doing?
00:01:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:01:14
Sammi
So he's not...
00:01:15
Steve
He's not like other guys. No, but but also you're not like like oldies only, and and he's and he's not like, if I don't have a young lady in my life, I don't know what I'll do with myself.
00:01:17
Sammi
he's not
00:01:21
Sammi
Yeah.
00:01:27
Sammi
Right. You know, he has dated, he has dated people his age before as well.
00:01:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:01:31
Sammi
that
00:01:32
Steve
Yeah.
Pop Culture Diner Evolution
00:01:33
Sammi
Yeah, totally gross. Totally gross. um Yeah. So like you texted me and you're like, what are we going to do? And I reminded you. Well, and this is like I even forgot. I was like talking to Deja who does our clips about it.
00:01:46
Sammi
And I was like, you know, Pop Culture Diner actually started because I wanted to talk about Riverdale. Yeah.
00:01:51
Steve
Lame.
00:01:53
Sammi
And I was like, oh, it's like Pop's Diner. Get it? Like Pop Culture Diner was from Pop's Diner. And I was like, but that's kind of fun because then you could talk about other pop culture things and not just Riverdale. And then it just so happened that like the person I was doing that with went to law school, whatever.
00:02:08
Sammi
not just
00:02:08
Steve
lame
00:02:09
Sammi
And I did some like video game recorded stuff. And I can't remember what we called that. We had like a name for it, though. And that hasn't really gone anywhere. And I've done some horror movie stuff with one of my friends and she had to have a cool kid.
00:02:24
Sammi
ah Annoying. And so this has been the thing that's just persisted over the years because we both have no lives.
00:02:30
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:02:31
Sammi
enough No, we just prioritize this.
00:02:31
Steve
Exactly. No, it's me. i'm I'm like a pesky fungus.
00:02:35
Sammi
It's just you.
00:02:36
Steve
You can't get rid of me.
00:02:38
Sammi
No, and nor do I want to. So when you were like, oh, like this is what are we going to do if there's no Roseplate special?
00:02:40
Steve
Thank you.
00:02:44
Sammi
I'm like, we pivot. First of all, there's plenty of Mormon content out there.
00:02:45
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:02:47
Sammi
And I am fascinated by Mormons and Christian fundamentalism and all that stuff.
00:02:49
Steve
Same.
00:02:51
Sammi
And so and there's lots of that in pop culture. So there's lots of things to cover. So i'm like, we've got Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We've got this show. We've got Sister Wives.
Food Stories and Dietary Discussions
00:03:00
Sammi
We've and we've got plenty of things we can talk about.
00:03:02
Steve
yeah
00:03:02
Sammi
And we can always revisit classic seasons of Bermuda. The Bachelor. We can read more Bachelor Nation books. I still want to do a recap of Unreal. We could watch other shows like Love Island.
00:03:13
Steve
Oh, I've been to Salt Lake City.
00:03:14
Sammi
I still want to watch Traitors.
00:03:16
Steve
I'm i'm all about it. i've I've eaten at the Shake Shack in your airport, Salt Lake City.
00:03:17
Sammi
Yeah.
00:03:20
Sammi
Wow.
00:03:21
Steve
So, yeah, I know.
00:03:21
Sammi
Amazing.
00:03:22
Sammi
I just I just told my husband that Crumble was a Mormon company and he didn't know that.
00:03:22
Steve
Really impressive.
00:03:23
Steve
Oh,
00:03:27
Steve
yeah.
00:03:28
Sammi
Yeah. And I was just like I was like, yeah, I don't know. Have you had a Crumble cookie, by the way?
00:03:33
Steve
No, i don't think I can eat them. I don't think they make food for me.
00:03:34
Sammi
Oh yeah, that's true. i always forget. Like, I just think about myself and I don't think about you.
00:03:38
Steve
o
00:03:39
Sammi
It's so thoughtless. Um, we need someone else to like eat them by curiously for us, or we need to try to like recreate crumble cookies. Like we can make them gluten-free and dairy-free and then we can eat them.
00:03:52
Steve
Well, I mean, gluten flour tends to make things like literally crumble in your hands. So, ah you know.
00:03:57
Sammi
Yeah. So true. So true. Wait, what's your gluten-free flour of choice?
00:04:02
Steve
I don't know. I use like an all-purpose, which is like a mix between almond flour and rice flour and some other stuff. But yeah, yeah.
00:04:10
Sammi
Like the Bob's Red Mill stuff. Love that.
00:04:13
Steve
I use like a grocery store brand version of that. And Bob's Red Mill intimidates me because there's like, here's 73 different gluten-free flours. And each one is better for a different thing, but I don't bake enough for it to make that much of a difference.
00:04:25
Steve
So what are you going to do
00:04:26
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. My pantry isn't full of Bob's Red Mill products or anything like that.
00:04:31
Steve
do? No.
00:04:31
Sammi
Bob's Red Mill sponsor us because it is actually full of, and my fridge as well is full of Bob's Red Mill products.
00:04:37
Steve
No, it's good stuff. he Bob treats me well.
00:04:38
Sammi
Yeah.
00:04:40
Steve
I just, I'm overwhelmed with the cornucopia of choices that Bob offers me. It's overflowing.
00:04:45
Sammi
My husband is like a little afraid of xanthan gum because i may have overdid it in a dish last year or the year before. And it came out really gummy.
00:04:55
Steve
Oh. Mm-hmm.
00:04:58
Sammi
and And then like, I'll be like, I'm going to bake this thing and I'm going to make it gluten free and dairy free. You know, like I'll make it like vegan and gluten free so that most of my class like can eat it and whatever. And he'll go, you're not going to put xanthan gum in it. Yeah.
00:05:12
Sammi
I'm like, I might, I might put a sprinkle in, okay? It does really help.
00:05:15
Steve
Just a smidge.
00:05:16
Sammi
It helps to bring things together, but I made like a, like a crumble.
00:05:19
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:21
Sammi
It was a, like a strawberry rhubarb crumble, or like a crisp, you know?
00:05:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:05:27
Sammi
And, uh, and it was just like jelly. It's not... Yeah, it was a little too much. But anyway, so yeah, so we have plenty of things that we can talk about and we can literally blab about anything.
Pop Culture Diner's Enduring Nature
00:05:40
Sammi
So it's we're not going anywhere, even if like Bachelor Nation, like, you know, burst into flames like.
00:05:47
Steve
Crumbles into the sea.
00:05:48
Sammi
Yeah, you can't get rid of Pop Culture Diner, which is the umbrella that exists above everything. And I did that as a brand strategy and not because I got lazy and didn't want to make a second podcast.
00:05:59
Sammi
That's not why I did it.
00:06:00
Steve
Exactly. that never That would never happen.
00:06:02
Sammi
Yeah. ah But anyway, so we will persist. ah The horrors persist and so will we.
Movie Experiences and Feminist Themes
00:06:08
Sammi
And um by the way, speaking of horrors, ah I saw so I watched two things this week.
00:06:15
Steve
Do tell.
00:06:16
Sammi
One was Frankenhooker.
00:06:18
Steve
Great movie.
00:06:18
Sammi
and
00:06:19
Steve
Frank Henlader, one of my favorite directors.
00:06:19
Sammi
yeah we we got We'll talk about that. But one was Frankenhooker. and And then one was episodes three and four of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. and And guess which guess which was more feminist?
00:06:29
Steve
What's the difference?
00:06:32
Steve
Oh, it's got to be Frank and Hooker.
00:06:34
Sammi
By a buy a mile. like
00:06:36
Steve
by ah By a country mile. Oh my gosh.
00:06:38
Sammi
Yeah.
00:06:39
Steve
Want a date? What a great thing to yell at a man before you strangle him.
00:06:41
Sammi
Oh, my I have never seen that movie. And it was funny because like Deja asked me, she's like, oh, like I was like, oh i'm gonna go see a movie tonight. And she's like, what are you going to go see? And then I instantly regretted saying I was going to go see a movie tonight. i was like, oh, um because last week I saw Bring Her Back, which, wow, so good. ah Very depressing, but very good.
00:07:01
Sammi
um I don't know if you saw Talk to Me or Bring Her Back, but.
00:07:04
Steve
i've I've seen you talk to me. Yeah.
00:07:05
Sammi
Yeah, Bring Her Back is really, liked Talk To Me More, but Bring Her Back was really good. And I've heard some people say they like that one more. So anyway, whatever. But if you like ah just absolute bangers about grief, you'll like either one of those movies.
00:07:21
Sammi
And, um yeah, so I watched that last week. And then Monday, um one of my local chain theaters ah did special programming ah and had like queer horror movies and things like that and had Frankenhooker as part of like the program.
00:07:36
Sammi
And I didn't know anything about it going in. I just saw it and I was like, bye now. I was like, I know this will be good. i know this will be fun. um And for those who don't know, it's like a 1990 movie um about like a girlfriend who gets turned into, like gets reconstituted using yeah sex worker parts.
00:07:57
Sammi
And um surprisingly, it is like quite, like sex worker positive and body positive and queer friendly and and respectful and like ahead of its time and really funny.
00:08:06
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:10
Steve
And fun! And it's funny!
00:08:15
Sammi
Oh, my gosh. That guy's mom was one of my favorite parts.
00:08:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:19
Sammi
Of the whole movie. like her Her kind of overacting made its it... like the The person who did like put it in the program said, like it's not quite John Waters, but it's pretty close.
00:08:31
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:32
Sammi
And I would totally agree. It's very like in the vein of John Waters. So if you like those kinds of movies, you'll totally love Frankenhooker.
00:08:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:40
Sammi
um but I was so delighted bye Yeah, like how well it holds up for being a movie from 1990. Like, they couldn't make that exact thing today, but especially with all the drug stuff, but like...
00:08:58
Sammi
You could redo the premise in a certain way, but like I will say Lisa Frankenstein and Frankenhooker very much feel have very similar vibes ah in a way that I really enjoy.
00:09:13
Sammi
Yeah, basket case,
00:09:14
Steve
i would I would recommend the rest of Frank Henelotter's films too. Basket Case which is another one of my all-time faves and then Brain Damage, another banger.
00:09:18
Sammi
yeah. basket case yeah
00:09:26
Sammi
Yes, they they discussed that in the intro. And I was like, I got to watch all the... I really enjoyed it. I had such a fun time watching that movie. So anyway,
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
00:09:34
Sammi
that's what I saw. And then the next day, I watched The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
00:09:35
Steve
There you go.
00:09:38
Sammi
And I was like, wow, this is...
00:09:40
Steve
Oh, is mom talking to survive that?
00:09:41
Sammi
I want to... Yeah, I want to go back to watching Frankenhooker. So anyway, um yeah.
00:09:45
Steve
and ah So much feminism going on in this show.
00:09:50
Sammi
Yeah, there's something...
00:09:51
Steve
Oh, you hear that sound, Sammy?
00:09:51
Sammi
I mean, the thing that's...
00:09:53
Steve
It's the glass ceiling breaking.
00:09:56
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that's so interesting about this show, right? We've talked about it before, but like that these women are making so much money compared to the men in their lives. And yet, you know, it's like this stuff is hard to deprogram. It's hard to walk away from.
00:10:13
Sammi
It's really hard to watch Jen try to, in my opinion... it sounds like she is deconstructing in real time. And it's really hard to watch because especially these episodes, like because we find out that she's pregnant and ah she does not seem thrilled about it.
00:10:25
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:34
Steve
No.
00:10:35
Sammi
um To put it mildly.
00:10:37
Steve
The wrong kind of crying. Yeah.
00:10:38
Sammi
Yeah, it was not fun. And, and like, I just, I don't know, you know, who knows? ah This is all TV, whatever.
00:10:46
Steve
Sure.
00:10:48
Sammi
But it's like the way that we observe it. It's like the things that are, that's like going on in her head. I just don't, it's hard because you watch these shows. Like I just, um before we started recording, I had seen a video from, and I don't, I'm not super familiar with Welcome to Plathville, but I know it exists and I know some of the people and I've watched like Fundy Friday's episodes on like the basics of the show.
00:11:13
Steve
sure
00:11:13
Sammi
and there was like one woman who was like married to one of the, one of the sons on the show and, and was recording some of like the really terrible stuff he said to her.
00:11:27
Sammi
um and just shared a video, like from a few hours ago, she just posted it where he was basically, i mean, just being transphobic and it's not surprising, but you know, she was basically like, well, if we have a kid, I'm going to love him no matter what.
00:11:34
Steve
Great.
00:11:38
Sammi
And he's like, well, I wouldn't do that. And you know, We we we feel fundamentally different.
00:11:42
Steve
Great.
00:11:44
Sammi
Like and she said in the video, like she's like, you literally said, like, I would not put my seed in you if you felt this way or whatever. And I was like, that's such a weird, like weird, gross and very biblical way to put it
00:11:55
Steve
Yeah, fellas, don't call it your seed. That's...
00:11:59
Sammi
It's so weird. But I mean, it's not surprising like what he grew up in whatever.
00:12:03
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:04
Sammi
But, um you know, it's like they were together. I know at the beginning of the show and at some point within, you know, the few seasons that they had run, like they, you know, split up, I think divorced.
00:12:16
Sammi
And she has talked a lot about like her deconstruction process like that. I'm a little more aware of than the show itself. Um, and it's just like, it's hard because you know, that happens on the show.
00:12:28
Sammi
It's, you know, some of the Duggars to some extent, a couple of them have done some forms of deconstruction as well.
00:12:30
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:36
Sammi
And I, yeah, it's like, so that's what I, so I've so transfixed with that on the show. I'm just like, I feel like Taylor's almost there and I feel like Jen's almost there, but who knows what'll happen. But I feel like with the two of them, they've,
00:12:52
Sammi
seen the worst in the people who are supposed to love them. And and it makes them question like their faith and what they've been taught about family and commitment and all that. And I mean, I was actually kind of shocked in like the third episode or whatever, when she was still saying like Dakota was her boyfriend. I was like, what?
00:13:13
Sammi
I thought you guys were done.
00:13:14
Steve
yeah I that mess with me too it's just like they have this huge blow up at you know the outdoor picnic dinner whatever the heck they were doing you understand and at the Halloween party yeah
00:13:14
Sammi
Did I miss something?
00:13:22
Sammi
Mm-hmm. And at the Halloween party too, which is where we start. We, yeah, at that fight.
00:13:30
Steve
um So you've got those two big fights. You have the amazing like dressing down of Dakota where she brings in the other woman, sits her on a couch, and they compare notes on how shitty Dakota is.
00:13:43
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:43
Steve
This whole thing.
00:13:45
Steve
And it's like, yeah, that's the the father of your child, but Jesus, you don't have to keep him around. Although... I do like when she's with what her sister's like, so he's still sleeping with him. And she's like, yeah, but then he asked me to cuddle and I tell him no gross.
00:14:03
Steve
It's like, you got to stop doing this. I mean, you could do it. It's funny to me, but I can't imagine that it's a good situation to be in.
00:14:08
Sammi
Yeah.
00:14:12
Steve
I don't know. Dakota just seems like a leech. There's a show with a lot of leeches in it and he's sucking the life out of you.
00:14:17
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah, he definitely sucks. um I mean, I think it's interesting because it's like, this is the whole thing, like with the with like the BYU interviews and things like that.
00:14:31
Sammi
You put people in a really repressive environment and then they do all of these creative things to like, du like, because I think it's episode four, right?
00:14:34
Steve
Mm-hmm. Cameron.
00:14:40
Sammi
Where Layla and her boyfriend, I forgot his name because he's that memorable. Well, we're not even getting that much time. but Cameron, Cameron.
00:14:48
Steve
cameron
00:14:49
Sammi
Um, so Layla and Cameron are like out and he says something about like, I can't remember. It was like, he was, he was like tentative about beer and she's like, yeah, but you've like had weed or like wanted to have weed or whatever.
00:15:02
Sammi
And he's like, yeah, well, but these are the rules.
00:15:04
Steve
He looks like he would sell it to me.
00:15:05
Sammi
Yeah.
00:15:06
Steve
I mean, the guy is like...
00:15:08
Sammi
But apparently he comes from like a very like high up conservative Mormon family, like like with, you know, high ranking people or something like that.
00:15:14
Steve
oh God.
00:15:17
Sammi
She mentioned something like that.
00:15:18
Sammi
But um but yeah, it's just so funny because it's like you see those BYU interviews on like Instagram or TikTok or whatever.
00:15:18
Steve
Sure.
00:15:25
Sammi
And they'll talk about like all the weird loops that they jump through to like do things, you know, like
00:15:25
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:15:33
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:15:33
Sammi
creative drugs and creative sexual stuff and whatever. And it's like, it doesn't surprise me that someone like Taylor, who I'm really glad that she got redeemed to in these episodes, because Miranda was like, she's lying.
00:15:47
Sammi
And then Taylor's like, here's everything we exactly did. And then Miranda's like, she wasn't wrong. Actually, that was all the stuff we did.
00:15:52
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:15:54
Sammi
And she's like She's like, well, maybe our definitions were different. And then she said, okay, no, I was just embarrassed. I'm like, thank you, because it didn't make sense to me. I'm like, there's no incentive for Taylor to lie. Like I said last time we recorded.
00:16:06
Sammi
I don't see why she would have lied about that. It doesn't make her look good. And obviously, like her family is not accepting. So there's no reason for her to come out and say all these things.
00:16:17
Sammi
She's not trying to damage other people. I think she's just trying to own up to it and try to clear the air.
00:16:22
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sure.
00:16:24
Sammi
um So anyway, but it's like when you come from that repressive environment and then you get involved in this thing, you know, this whatever you want to call it, soft swinging, whatever.
00:16:35
Sammi
and and then you come out of that. It's like, you don't, you don't, she didn't get to have like a rebellious college period or anything like that.
00:16:47
Sammi
Like she's been a mom for so long.
00:16:48
Steve
chair
00:16:49
Sammi
She was married for so long. I could see how she's just like, doesn't really think about like, this is acceptable. and This isn't her like this is gonna, you know, or like what it'll do to her like emotionally or anything like that.
00:16:58
Steve
me
00:17:02
Sammi
I don't think she really thinks about that at all.
00:17:04
Steve
No, not, not, not even in the slightest.
00:17:05
Sammi
So yeah.
00:17:07
Steve
No.
00:17:07
Sammi
Yeah, so that's not very surprising to me. But yeah, so I know we're jumping all over the place. But um that's kind of, it's like, I feel like every episode of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is kind of like a fever dream.
00:17:13
Steve
It's okay.
00:17:21
Sammi
Like, you're just like, I'm sorry, what?
00:17:21
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:23
Steve
Oh, completely.
00:17:23
Sammi
Like, sometimes I have to rewind and go, wait, what did you just say?
00:17:28
Steve
And it's like, we we've mentioned this before.
00:17:28
Sammi
Did you just say what I thought you said? Mm-hmm.
00:17:30
Steve
We always talk about the power of the edit in reality TV. And here, it's crazy because it's so, like, transparent and and just, like like, why are they trying to make me like Whitney? I watched Whitney last season. Stop trying to make me like Whitney.
00:17:49
Steve
What's going on?
00:17:51
Sammi
I mean, I like her just because know I like her just because I do think she's like genuinely funny.
00:17:53
Steve
No!
00:17:57
Sammi
I said that before.
00:17:57
Steve
Yeah, no, she's she's funny, but she's a great villain.
00:17:59
Sammi
i don't like i I wouldn't I wouldn't like hang out with her.
00:18:00
Steve
But I don't, like... Mm-hmm.
00:18:02
Sammi
And I do think she is a villain. But that's the weird thing, because didn't it what wasn't it in one of these episodes? Didn't they say, like, is Jen the new Whitney? And I was like, no, Whitney is Whitney.
00:18:13
Steve
Mm-hmm. No, wait yeah, Whitney is Whitney.
00:18:15
Sammi
Jen is Jen. Jen is not the new Whitney.
00:18:17
Steve
No, jen Jen doesn't have it in her.
00:18:18
Sammi
OK, OK.
00:18:19
Steve
She's not conniving enough. She can't do the Whitney stuff. And that's the thing, it's like...
00:18:23
Sammi
Yeah.
00:18:24
Steve
Anyone with even the slightest, like, little taste for power on this show is basically evil.
00:18:31
Sammi
Yeah.
00:18:32
Steve
um Taylor is almost exempt from it just because she's so messy and just doesn't give a shit that she's just this kind of, like, destructive, like, Tasmanian devil force, which I really enjoy.
00:18:48
Sammi
Yeah.
00:18:49
Steve
But some of the other girls, it's just like, they they get steamrolled too easily. you know When you have someone like a Jen, like Jen could never be you know a Whitney or Demi or any of that stuff because she doesn't have what it takes, the the the fortitude to be that person.
00:18:54
Sammi
Right.
00:19:07
Steve
ah But the rest of them are just like clawing at each other, just just trying to take control of things and eat each other alive.
00:19:07
Sammi
right
00:19:13
Steve
And it scares the shit out of me. It makes me very uncomfortable.
00:19:17
Sammi
That's such an interesting take on the show. Okay, so this is one thing that I thought was very funny. I'm not saying I like Whitney as a like I would hang out with her. I do think she's funny.
00:19:27
Steve
Sure.
00:19:28
Sammi
I think she understands social media.
00:19:28
Steve
I like her as a television character.
00:19:30
Sammi
Yes, she's a very good television character, and I think she understands social media very well. But this was my one of my favorite, honestly, TV moments ever. And this kind of spanned episodes three and four. So it's been kind of advantageous to watch these in pairs.
00:19:46
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:19:46
Sammi
so
00:19:49
Sammi
So she's pregnant, right? And like, they're about to have a baby. And so, and she has it, I think in episode three, right? And she's like, she's like, it's, you know, i heard, ah heard there was a lot of drama going on and it's just too bad because had other really important, I was creating life.
00:20:08
Sammi
So i was too busy. So it's just, it's just too bad.
00:20:10
Steve
I was growing a human child in my body.
00:20:13
Sammi
Everything is different and I feel different. Okay. And then we cut to the next episode and she's like all blissed out. So like new mom, isn't this baby so tiny? It's so tiny.
00:20:25
Sammi
And like the world's problems feel so small when I look at this baby, you know, whatever. And she's like, it's, it's all beyond me and love and light and it's no big deal. And then they start talking about the drama and she goes, you know what?
00:20:40
Sammi
I think I want to be back in
00:20:44
Sammi
That's why I think I like you because it's so funny.
00:20:45
Steve
I love that.
00:20:48
Sammi
Like she is, I feel like she must know what she's doing.
00:20:52
Sammi
This feels very calculated. This doesn't feel like that's the thing. Yeah. I think the reason Taylor is so naturally likable. And I think it was an episode four where they were planning that ah like Macy's event was in that episode four, I think.
00:20:52
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:21:04
Sammi
And they were like, well, put you can put Taylor anywhere because she gets along with everybody. It's like, even when she's causing massive problems, like, well, but she can sit anywhere. It's going be fine.
00:21:14
Steve
yeah
00:21:14
Sammi
um like that's not how you have to orchestrate because Michaela I think was doing the seating chart and she's like I need to change everything that you did okay this is bad this is bad we're not they yeah yeah
00:21:23
Steve
a
00:21:26
Steve
Michaela's another one too where I'm talking about like she's another gen where they try to like pull her in and be like Michaela's bad now it's like the fuck she is she can't she can't hang with these with these arch demons that I love dearly
00:21:35
Sammi
Michaela is yeah she's not bad
00:21:40
Sammi
I mean, I have to say, though, I do think like I think Miranda is likable. I'm happy she's on the show. I'm excited to see her more. We don't see enough of Layla. um We didn't see enough of Michaela last season, but now we're starting to see her more like episodes three and four were more about Michaela.
00:21:57
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:21:57
Sammi
And really wild. Like when she was talking about like she talked about her skin issues on the show last season. But then when she was talking about getting like sexually assaulted, like as a as a kid.
00:22:10
Sammi
um And she thinks that like a lot of her like skin issues and like stress just came from like not being believed and being treated so poorly. And like her mom sounds like a real piece of work.
00:22:22
Sammi
um So that was really ah interesting and good for her for opening up about that. I'm sure it helped some people. um But like there was a running joke last season that we never saw Michaela ever, right? Like she wasn't on the show.
00:22:37
Sammi
Like Layla was on the show more than Michaela because she had like that divorce party and stuff like that. But we didn't see Michaela at all. And now I feel like it's flipped. But of course, in this episode, we did see Layla a little bit more or episode four because she...
00:22:50
Sammi
went on that date with cam cameron cameron camera cameron i won't forget it i don't remember any of the men's names ever except for like zach because because he's so ridiculous um but let's get back to that so okay so we start episode three um at the halloween party just for a quick recap
00:22:58
Steve
you
00:23:10
Sammi
And we've got like Jason and and Brett um and they're like doing their little dancey dance and getting ready. And that and someone else can't remember who else was doing it. um But then this was interesting, right? Like, OK, there was this fight and this is how I interpreted it. It seemed like to me started shit.
00:23:29
Sammi
And then she was like, ah well, she started shit because she said because Chase. OK, I'm I didn't look at this very closely. So you tell me your interpretation. I may have been setting it up an easel because I'm an artist now.
00:23:29
Steve
who
00:23:38
Steve
Okay.
00:23:42
Sammi
Um, but she said that like Chase put his hands on her, but I didn't see that.
00:23:49
Steve
No.
00:23:49
Sammi
I just saw like a little like, Hey,
00:23:52
Steve
It was just kind of like he like brushed by her.
00:23:52
Sammi
um
00:23:54
Steve
He just sort of like, what it it was weird.
00:23:55
Sammi
Yeah. And she's like, he put his hands on me. And then she goes and tells her husband and he's like, I'm going beat his ass.
00:23:58
Steve
I mean,
00:24:01
Sammi
And she's like, oh, oops, oops.
00:24:01
Steve
I'm going to murder him.
00:24:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:03
Sammi
And I'm like, yeah, you did that on purpose. Like, yeah.
00:24:05
Steve
Oh, that was a total, ah yeah, because, I mean, are we going with, with like, the the literal version of of what happened or, like, the spirit of what happened? Because, technically, his hand did touch her.
00:24:21
Steve
But what I think, put my hands on someone, like, that's a, or yeah.
00:24:21
Sammi
Right.
00:24:24
Sammi
Yeah, it's like he's like trying to move you instead of just like, a hey, and maybe he had too much momentum and it felt like a push or what.
00:24:27
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:33
Sammi
I don't know. But it just seemed like like a very outsized reaction to what was actually happening. And here's what I'll say. I guessed that the cops were just related to the Chippendales dancing and they brought in like another stripper, which was not true. They were actually cops.
00:24:49
Sammi
Yeah. that were called because of like a noise complaint.
00:24:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:52
Sammi
um And I guess, and that, and that they were at Jesse's, right?
00:24:52
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:56
Steve
the
00:24:56
Sammi
And they had just, yeah.
00:24:57
Steve
She's like, I just moved into this place and the cops died.
00:24:59
Sammi
She's like, they're going to kick me out.
00:25:02
Steve
Yeah. Maybe it's because you had like, i mean, it wasn't even the fact that you had like five people on your lawn. It's because you had five people and a camera crew. Yeah.
00:25:09
Sammi
Right. And they were screaming and she goes, have you ever heard of the secret lives of Mormon wives? And they're like, no. And she's like, okay. Okay.
00:25:17
Steve
like she didn't believe him
00:25:19
Sammi
It's like, no, like, like she was like, oh, okay.
00:25:21
Steve
him.
00:25:21
Sammi
Like, I can't get out of this one.
00:25:23
Steve
That's not going to work.
00:25:24
Sammi
Yeah, that's what it felt like to me, at least.
00:25:26
Steve
Do you know who I am?
00:25:26
Sammi
um Yeah, do you know who I am? Zach, yeah. So anyway, so they do the Chippendales thing, though, and Zach was not happy.
00:25:37
Sammi
And here's the thing. Okay, this is the other thing. they're This is one of the ways they were trying to paint Jen as a villain. And again, I'm not happy. buying it. Okay.
00:25:45
Steve
yeah
00:25:46
Sammi
So they're like, oh, well, um we talked about it at the salon and she said that it was like so awesome. It was like such an awesome idea and she loved it and she thought it wasn't going to be a problem. So we did. That's why we did it because she said it was going to be fine.
00:26:03
Sammi
And then you like go to it and it's like, she's like, oh yeah, that would be so funny. And it's like, I think she was just doing that to make you happy. and I think she, um maybe, i who knows? I can't say for sure.
00:26:17
Sammi
But what I would say is if I was her, i would say that to be like, well, yeah, this is a way that Zach can look like he has a good sense of humor. So it's like a good opportunity for him to like redeem himself.
00:26:28
Steve
yeah they're trying to give zach the redemption arc they're there i mean they're handing it to him right
00:26:31
Sammi
Mm-hmm. Right. And just because she thinks it's funny doesn't mean he's going to think it's funny. So and I don't actually think she thought it was going to be funny.
00:26:41
Sammi
I think she is just trying to make everybody happy. She's trying to make her friends happy.
00:26:45
Steve
Yep. Mm-hmm.
00:26:46
Sammi
She's trying to make Zach happy. And it's like the thing that's so hard is you see this glimmer of like she almost... got out, ah you know, and now it's like she's like just trying to like make peace with everybody and make everything good um to her own detriment, I think.
00:26:57
Steve
yeahp
00:27:08
Sammi
um But yeah, I don't think that's her lying. Like when they're like, oh, she was lying because she said that he was going to think it's funny. I'm like, I don't I didn't interpret it that way when they cut back to the salon at all.
00:27:21
Steve
No.
00:27:24
Steve
No, not at all. ah The whole thing is, so it's so transparent. This is like the the evil malfeasance.
00:27:29
Sammi
Yeah.
00:27:32
Steve
It's like, okay, we're going to do this because Jen has been trying to defend her husband, which I think is like a kind of a natural inclination, right?
00:27:42
Sammi
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:27:43
Steve
Because you want to do that, but then also you want to I don't know. Try, try. you You see this person a little bit differently. Right. So she's like, Oh, well he's changing and he's doing better and blah, blah, blah. And I'm sure he is. He couldn't be any worse.
00:27:59
Steve
So I guess he's better.
00:27:59
Sammi
Yeah.
00:28:01
Steve
And so then they do this thing, which is clearly going to antagonize him. Right. Like I obviously that's the thing. It's like one of two things is going to happen. Either he's going to prove that he's not a douche or this is going to antagonize him and make him jealous, et cetera, et cetera.
00:28:15
Steve
Obviously it makes him jealous. And then, You know, it's like, well, Jen, you're a liar because he's a douche and we know it. And you're hiding the fact that he's a douche.
00:28:26
Steve
It's like, good. What are you doing? This is the exact scenario that you have concocted.
00:28:28
Sammi
yeah
00:28:30
Steve
What you got what you want.
00:28:31
Sammi
I feel like she couldn't win. Like if she had said, no, I don't think that's funny. Then it could have been spun like, oh, well, you don't want to like give your husband a chance to redeem himself or like you're a killjoy or whatever.
00:28:44
Steve
Exactly. Exactly.
00:28:49
Sammi
Like, I just don't feel like there was a way for her to like do like frame it up in a way that.
00:28:49
Steve
Yeah. Mm-mm.
00:28:56
Steve
No, it's it's not possible because if she goes, listen, I don't want to do this because it's going to make me uncomfortable because I know that, you know, Zach's going to react like a crazy person.
00:28:57
Sammi
Yeah.
00:29:05
Steve
Then they'd be like, well, that just proves that he's terrible. And also that you have been just constrained by the Mormon church and mom talk is about expressing yourselves and girl power and all this shit that they don't actually care about.
00:29:19
Sammi
or like Or if she had said that, they would have been like, oh, well, you were like lying about how like about the like tuition money, gambling, and so what else are you lying about?
00:29:33
Sammi
Is he really as controlling as you say? like If you say that, maybe you're just trying to paint yourself as as like this innocent you know victim or whatever.
00:29:36
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:43
Sammi
So like I just yeah, there's i don't think that there's a single way she could have answered that question.
00:29:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:49
Sammi
um And I think she knew that if she said yes or no, they would have done it anyway. So she probably said the best chance of just saying, oh, yeah, that's funny. And she probably does think it's funny because she is very like.
00:29:59
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:30:01
Sammi
fun. You know, she's like, when she's doing her own thing, she's very like free spirited and very funny and very outgoing. And, and I think she can like take a joke.
00:30:14
Sammi
So maybe she was like, well, I would react like this, you know, so maybe, you would to I don't know.
00:30:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:30:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:30:20
Sammi
I'm not sure. but Like, I just don't think that there was a good scenario for her. And I think they, you know, they would have painted it like she was lying no matter how she answered it. So I don't think she would win. And then, I mean, you know, having been married to someone that I felt like I had to defend a lot of the time.
00:30:41
Sammi
It's like there's a lot of things that you don't see until you're out of it sometimes. Like you're just like you're just trying to go from one thing to the next and just and and like make excuses and and then, you know, maybe talk things out behind the scenes and go, hey, that wasn't so great what you did, but I stood up for you.
00:30:59
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:31:00
Sammi
but you Don't do that. Go apologize to that person because you said something not great or whatever. um So i don't know. I would assume. And that's why like I think she wanted to have that one conversation on camera.
00:31:14
Sammi
And he was like, I'm not having this. And she's like, no, I want to talk it out on camera and like be real with me. Because I do think he... I mean, like what we saw on the show in the first season was ugly. But I bet it gets even worse when a camera isn't there.
00:31:29
Steve
Yep.
00:31:29
Sammi
and I think she's like, no, we're hashing this out now. Because it's like, you're not going to keep making me look like... you know, I'm overreacting or whatever when like you're terrible to me.
00:31:41
Sammi
i don't know.
00:31:42
Steve
Nope.
00:31:42
Sammi
That's just what I think.
00:31:43
Steve
no That's it. Yeah.
00:31:44
Sammi
um But yeah, so okay. So that, yeah, the, there were the cops. Okay. Zach wasn't amused. And then we get to the Michaela stuff and she starts talking about her skin issues. And, um and yeah, that like her mom didn't believe her when she was getting abused as a kid. And,
00:32:02
Sammi
Um, you know that, and I mean, good for her for like going to therapy and like saying that stuff. Cause that's also something that I think is a bit of a taboo. I'm not sure.
00:32:13
Steve
who
00:32:13
Sammi
I don't feel like it's super common for Mormons to go to therapy. I think they more go to like their bishops or whatever for that kind of stuff. Right.
00:32:21
Steve
Sounds about right.
00:32:21
Sammi
I think, um, I don't think it's super common to go to therapy. Um, yeah.
00:32:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:27
Sammi
So good for her. But yeah, so then after the party, this is i what I wrote. I think what Zach was doing after the party was like triangulating. um Like, cause you know, it's like, this will be the technique, you know, it's like, oh, well,
00:32:40
Steve
Yep.
00:32:42
Sammi
You're I don't want to hang out with your friends because they can't be good friends. If this is what they think is funny, they don't like you. OK, so it's like, you know, and then you hear Jen like don't remember was the end of episode three or beginning of four, but she talks about like I think both she kind of talked about like feeling so alone.
00:33:03
Sammi
You know, it's like he's boxing you in and it's just like. she She doesn't feel like she's on solid ground with him. Right. But now he's telling you, don't I don't like your friends. I don't trust your friends. And I don't think they think very highly of you.
00:33:03
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:33:16
Sammi
So she's just feeling like, oh, my gosh, I don't have anyone to turn to. And now there's this major thing happening in her life where she finds out she's pregnant and like they just moved back and, all you know, for her. And so it's like, oh, he made this huge sacrifice and whatever.
00:33:32
Sammi
and And it just feels like, I don't know, the weight of everything is on her shoulders. um But it felt like triangulation to me, that technique.
00:33:40
Steve
Yeah. Oh, that's exactly what is. It's, it's transparent, completely transparent.
00:33:45
Sammi
her
00:33:47
Steve
That's, that is the fun thing about secret lives of Mormon wives is, you know, there's, there's the Mormon flavor, which we love. And there's also the fact that like, when they do kind of calculated malicious shit, it's so fun and transparent what they're doing.
00:34:05
Steve
Like, yeah,
00:34:05
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:07
Steve
i Sometimes I'm shocked at the direction that they take things in, but you can always, they always telegraph exactly what they're about to do.
00:34:16
Sammi
Yeah, that's that is very true. um Yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's, i yeah, I wonder what that is. Is that a TV thing? Is that a Mormon thing? Is that a just this group of people thing?
00:34:30
Steve
Who's to say? Who's to say?
00:34:31
Sammi
Who's to say? Well, time will tell. Yeah.
00:34:33
Steve
Time will tell if these people are just Mormon or if they're evil.
00:34:40
Sammi
A little bit of both. um No, so Miranda, I really do like Miranda. Like I said, she's one of obviously the newer people on the show, but I really like her already. And she's riding with Jen. So I'm team both of them.
00:34:53
Sammi
So that's cool. I think, you know, i think it's sweet that Miranda's like, hey, you're on the outs. I'm coming in being on the outs. And already I think Miranda is being embraced quite a bit, which is amazing.
00:35:05
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:35:06
Sammi
Maybe surprising, but I think she she's starting to be more honest and humble and all of that and not put up a front. And I think that's really good. And I think she's playing it right to get into everyone's good graces. And again, that calculated?
00:35:23
Sammi
Sure, whatever.
00:35:24
Steve
yeah
00:35:24
Sammi
But. good technique good technique um and yeah so then yeah this is where we get taylor and she's like well this is everything we did together and she's like we did this we did this we did this in this place and we did this here we did this here and this here and Miranda's like she's not wrong and
00:35:42
Steve
That was of well, I, and I love this.
00:35:44
Sammi
it was so satisfying yeah
00:35:44
Steve
We talked about this in the last episode, but she was just like, well, you know, all we ever did technically was kiss, which I guess again, tactically is true. Just like they put their hands on me or whatever.
00:35:56
Steve
But then Taylor's like, yeah, we kissed naked in the same bed with our husbands. And then we had sex in the same bed with our husbands. And then we kissed in the shower. And they were just like, I guess they just kissed.
00:36:07
Sammi
It's little different.
00:36:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:08
Sammi
It's a little different. And she's like, yeah, okay. All right. Yeah. All right. Our our definition our definitions are different. And then she's like, but you know, like that's lot to admit to.
00:36:15
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:36:20
Sammi
And I was nervous and I was scared. And so, and it's like, yeah, so you let Taylor...
00:36:23
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:36:25
Sammi
get hung out to dry when like like that was the thing that's I think one thing that will and always endear me to Taylor because when this whole thing happened like she was the one like holding like left holding the ball right and she had to just like own up to everything um because it was like it was either that or I don't know fall off the face of the planet or, you know, or let other people tell her story or whatever.
00:36:51
Sammi
And so she was just like, okay, you know what? This is, this is what it was.
00:36:54
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:36:55
Sammi
And this is what happened. And I'm just coming clean. And yeah, that means that other people have to decide to answer or not answer or whatever. and that puts them in a tight spot, I guess. But I don't know.
00:37:07
Sammi
ah the rules are a little different when you have a, when you're living publicly, Like, I can't remember there, there was a TikToker that I watched and I think, I think like Zach came for them or something. And they said something like, listen, you, you made a choice to make your life public.
00:37:29
Sammi
on reality tv it's not just like some random person is going into your life and you're just minding your business and you're not like you don't have social media you're not public in any way you know it's like i understand that like i put my face on a lot of places and a lot of places like i understand like someone said some weird shit to me on a client's video that i did about my glasses
00:37:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:42
Steve
No.
00:37:54
Sammi
Um, and I just posted about it on LinkedIn. I did a whole big rant about it. Cause I was like, cause they were like, oh, like you're, you're so distorted behind your glasses. Cause I have an extremely high prescription and adult strabismus. So my eyes cross if I don't have prisms in my lenses.
00:38:10
Steve
That's fun.
00:38:10
Sammi
So, so they're very like, you know, like they're very thick, you know?
00:38:14
Steve
With two Cs.
00:38:15
Sammi
And what'd you say?
00:38:17
Steve
I said with two Cs.
00:38:18
Sammi
Yeah, very thick with two Cs. So it's like there's really no way around it. And I don't like the way my face looks with small frames. I think I look like a creep.
00:38:27
Sammi
So I like bigger frames. And so I worked with my optician to find ones that wouldn't be so heavy that they would hurt, wouldn't distort my vision, which is the important part out of the corners of my eyes.
00:38:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:38:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:40
Sammi
It's still bows. Everything looks like um looks like I mean, i could never be a flat earther because my lenses just make everything look very rounded.
00:38:49
Steve
yeah
00:38:50
Sammi
um And when you first get a new prescription, it kind of looks like 3D glasses until your eyes adjust. So it's like you see like the red and blue outline on things. It's very weird. So um anyway, but this person just like commented on a video that I did and was was like, you know, if you got like smaller, like I talked to someone at LensCrafters. I'm like, oh, thank God you talked to someone at LensCrafters.
00:39:15
Sammi
Not like I've been seen by ophthalmologists, opticians, and optometrists for 30 years. Thank God you talk to one person at LensCrafters.
00:39:23
Steve
That's all you need. That's all you need.
00:39:25
Sammi
You know, I'm like, my next step is surgery. OK, like to fix my crossed eye. But this is and he's like, this is as high as we're going to go. We're not going any higher. So once you start seeing double again, it's surgery time. And I'm like, OK, sounds good.
00:39:39
Sammi
And she was like, you know, so that you don't get that that effect where your face is all out of whack behind your glasses. And I was like, And I was just very calm. And I was like, I said, I like these frames.
00:39:52
Sammi
And my next step is surgery. But I'm not going to be like, how dare you talk about my face? Like, i I did post it and people were like, actually coming out with pitchforks more than I expected.
00:39:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:02
Sammi
Like, they were like, that's so rude. I think your glasses are really cute. I'm like, I'm not looking for validation. I think my glasses look really cute, too. Okay, like,
00:40:09
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:10
Sammi
I don't need i don't need anyone to be like, oh, I think it looks nice. I'm like, but I just think I do think it's weird when like it's not like it was a video about that.
00:40:19
Steve
Sure.
00:40:19
Sammi
You know, it was a video about like investing. ah So it's like talking about my glasses. Like I've had videos where I talk about like racism and people are like, what's your what ah what's your eye shadow combo? I'm like,
00:40:32
Sammi
can you read the room? And I'm like, here it is What a weird place to make this comment. And they're like, your eyeshadow just looks really pretty. And I'm like, had very odd choice.
00:40:41
Steve
I mean, listen, priorities, Sammy. Come on. Come on.
00:40:46
Sammi
I'm just like, okay. um But like, you know, I also, it's like, I will answer. i will respond with grace. I am not. Yeah. It's like, I'm not, I'm not like a public figure. I'm not on, I'm not like posting every part of my life. I'm not on reality TV.
00:41:03
Sammi
So there are certain things that I'm like, you should keep that to yourself unless I talk about it and then feel free to talk about it. But I also understand like if you're any kind of public facing anything, you're,
00:41:03
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:41:14
Sammi
People are going to just say weird shit to you and and they're going to think weird things about you.
00:41:16
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:41:19
Sammi
They're going to like come to odd conclusions like we say things that are probably way off base to real life because we are given this window, this sliver, and we are just...
00:41:31
Sammi
You know, it's like you're you're putting your own feelings, your own life experiences, your own points of reference into it. and And that's what you do. It's like, I don't know. Oh, my gosh. Did you see everything about the princess treatment lady?
00:41:45
Sammi
to Did that hit you?
00:41:46
Steve
what Who is the princess treatment lady?
00:41:48
Sammi
Okay. i See, okay. So we just did a thing one um and one with one of my clients. We did like a weekly, like a icebreaker this morning. and And the question was, what's your most used app on your phone? And I said, TikTok.
00:42:01
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:42:01
Sammi
And I checked. um And they were like, I'm so surprised. And I'm like, I guess you don't talk to me enough.
00:42:09
Steve
is she now the princess treatment lady that's different sorry my window just like resized for no reason uh the princess treatment lady that's different from like the the trad wife lady whose husband makes her wear a collar or something right
00:42:22
Sammi
It is. It's actually, they both happened like within the same week. That's so funny that you asked that.
00:42:26
Steve
okay i got collar lady
00:42:28
Sammi
So, um, Yep. She's also, yeah, very similar. um Because, and I don't remember if she's, she's not Mormon though, right? The collar lady, I think she's garden variety Christian.
00:42:39
Steve
No, I think she's just a standard trad wife. Yeah.
00:42:43
Sammi
um People are pretty sure the princess treatment lady is Mormon. One thing I do know is she mentioned like moving to Utah and someone said she like met her husband at BYU.
00:42:53
Sammi
So I don't know about the met husband at BYU, but I heard with my own ears that
00:42:57
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:42:59
Sammi
that she, um they moved to Utah. But basically, okay, she's this lady. She's got like a gas bob too, right? And she, and she like leans forward in such a way like that like makes the rest of her body look really small. So she's like always talking like this. I don't, it hurts my back. Like someone even in the comments was like, do you,
00:43:20
Sammi
have scoliosis um which again like not commenting on bodies but it's very odd like it's not a normal position to sit in it was very much like i am leaning all the way forward anyway so she she was like these are the rules like some of the rules included stuff like like when we go to restaurants i don't order
00:43:24
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:43:41
Sammi
anything. My husband orders everything. Oh, by the way, I showed this video to my husband and he goes, going to start doing this shit. And I was like, you better not. He like, he was like, I have an idea. And I was like, shut up.
00:43:55
Sammi
But she was like, and and it got extreme. Like, He will like, okay, this is nice. Like this is something my husband does sometimes like if he thinks it's going to be hard to park and the weather's not great.
00:44:06
Sammi
He will drop me off. He will go park the car and then he will come in. Right. That's nice.
00:44:10
Steve
Yeah, it's a nice thing to do.
00:44:11
Sammi
um I've done it too. Like if I'm driving, I'll drop him off, whatever. But most of the time if we're going out, he's probably driving. um And so I was like, OK, that's normal. But then she's like, when we get into the restaurant, she's like, she's like, I will just stand in the in the lobby and like not look at or speak to anybody.
00:44:32
Sammi
Until he comes. So like she won't go to the host and be like, oh, hey, we have a reservation for so and so at this time. And, like you know, and go sit at the table and then text and be like, OK, honey, just come right in.
00:44:44
Sammi
Right. Like, that's what I would do. That's what I would do.
00:44:46
Steve
Is he like, and the lady will have blah blah, blah.
00:44:48
Sammi
Yes.
00:44:49
Steve
Oh, he does that. He orders for too.
00:44:49
Sammi
Yeah.
00:44:50
Steve
Okay.
00:44:50
Sammi
Oh, yeah. He orders for her. She doesn't say a word to like waitstaff or the host or anybody. And she's like, and if they talk to me, I just say, oh, my husband will be taking care of that. Oh, I don't know.
00:45:00
Sammi
Just ask my husband. And she's like, you don't have to over speak. You don't have to. You don't. And you're not going to laugh loudly. You're not going to speak loudly.
00:45:10
Steve
Oh, God.
00:45:11
Sammi
you know, and I got I like noped out of that conversation real fast because I saw some very weird food behaviors. Like I just right away I was like, it's like ED content for sure. And so I was just like, I can't watch this.
00:45:27
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:45:27
Sammi
um I watched one video and I was like and then and then it was like think piece after think piece after think piece yeah and people were like is this um is this like the religious is this like kink veiled in religion ah is she being controlled you know it's like the ballerina farms type of discourse again um is she yeah like does she have an ed just you know whatever because like and that was the other thing the way she was sitting i was like that to me screams eating just for her Because I'm like, why are you trying to make yourself look so tiny? Like, it's very, so it's not like you're sitting like a pterodactyl or something. I don't know. Like, it's very weird.
00:46:09
Sammi
um And yeah, people like clocked that pretty quickly. But I think she like jumped off the internet. But she was like, she's tried to like be a famous influencer several times.
00:46:20
Sammi
Like, this isn't the first time. And this was obviously a deliberate attempt. Yeah.
00:46:25
Steve
Oh, dear.
00:46:25
Sammi
To be an influencer. um But she doesn't really do anything. That's that interesting. She just like counts her calories. And hangs out at home. and her They have a kid.
00:46:37
Sammi
But the kid is like older. So she doesn't have to really do a lot To... take care of the kid either.
00:46:43
Steve
just kind of exists.
00:46:44
Sammi
Yeah. Like, you know, they're old enough to like handle their stuff most of the time. So there's just not as much to do, like stay at home mom wise either. um But she's like, I got promoted to stay at home mom, you know, like that kind of a thing.
00:46:59
Sammi
Anyway, um that's been all over my FYP the last week, this princess treatment lady. And then she just, I think she might be, maybe she she'll, she'll probably come back and like rebrand and
00:47:10
Steve
The hardest job in the world, it's mom.
00:47:13
Sammi
Yeah. Well, the hardest job in the world is apparently Princess. um But yeah, it's so weird because it's like, and oh, the weirdest thing was when she said that he tied her shoes for her.
00:47:27
Sammi
That was really strange.
00:47:29
Steve
I don't want anyone doing that for me. What?
00:47:31
Sammi
I know. That's what I say. It's like, it's like, I guess, you know, it's like if I'm having someone tie my shoes for me, then I've lost the ability to tie my shoes and I'm paying them. I don't know.
00:47:40
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:41
Sammi
um so
00:47:42
Steve
Although someone did tie my shoe like two weeks ago, but not because I asked them to.
00:47:45
Sammi
Really?
00:47:46
Steve
I was in a bar and someone like walked up to It's just like your shoes untied. I looked down and then she just knelt down and tied my shoe and then walked away. And I was just like, I know it was weird.
00:47:58
Sammi
That's like oddly intimate. Yeah.
00:48:00
Steve
i was like, uh, but But I didn't want to be like, don't do that. So I was just like, thanks.
00:48:07
Sammi
Oh my gosh. Like that's for,
00:48:09
Steve
Yeah. just do to do butp Walked away. That's it.
00:48:12
Sammi
That's like bringing me back to when I shared that story about someone who wanted to brush my teeth.
00:48:17
Steve
Yeah. i I mean, it it it was, it was done in like, it didn't feel like it was just like, Hey baby, I'm going to tie your shoe. Like it wasn't like that. It was a very like, hey, your shoe's untied.
00:48:30
Steve
I looked out, that but blow up walked away. That's it.
00:48:33
Sammi
Wow.
00:48:34
Steve
Like a...
00:48:34
Sammi
I do think, I do think someone at micro center may have fallen in love with me the other day.
00:48:39
Steve
Probably, yeah yeah. Are you kidding me? A micro center? That's like your core audience.
00:48:42
Sammi
I like I like call talk on the way home. I was like, I think I don't know. Either he thinks I'm not smart or he fell in love with me and I can't tell which. um But I went and bought more.
00:48:51
Steve
Why not both?
00:48:52
Sammi
I went and bought more RAM for my computer. And he was like, he's like, are these two thirty choose? And I was like, yeah, I've got two other ones at home. He's like, what do you do? And I was like, well, I game and I stream and I do podcasts and stuff like that.
00:49:06
Sammi
He's like, what do you play? And I'm like, I never answer that question. of that So here's Princess Treatment.
00:49:11
Steve
See, that's too intimate. That's...
00:49:12
Sammi
I never ask answer that. If a man asked me what I play and i like I don't know if they're cool, because I don't want to be like, well, like The Sims and, you know, whatever.
00:49:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:49:22
Steve
Stardew Valley! Yeah, it's like, the bridge are both great!
00:49:24
Sammi
Yeah, Sardew Valley.
00:49:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:49:26
Sammi
Yeah, I'm like, you're going to judge me if I'm like, animal crushing.
00:49:30
Steve
yeah
00:49:31
Sammi
But, ah you know, but like also civilization, okay? um But I haven't bought seven because I've heard it's trash. But anyway, so like yeah I don't answer that. I'm like, I don't know, a lot of stuff.
00:49:43
Sammi
ah Anyway, but then he got like really flustered at the end of our transaction. and He was just like, ah well, have fun doing like whatever it is that you're doing. Okay, bye. And I was like, does he think I'm doing something weird?
00:49:54
Sammi
Is he impressed? Does he think I'm dumb and bad? I don't know. I'm not sure.
00:49:59
Steve
Hard to say.
00:50:00
Sammi
I shouldn't say dumb. I should say, does he think I'm a silly goose? um But anyway, but no one's tied my shoes for me. I just think I impressed someone at Micro Center with my ridiculous RAM purchase.
00:50:10
Steve
Yeah.
00:50:12
Sammi
It was on sale. was $100 off. But I also got this numpad that also functions as a keyboard, and it like lights up.
00:50:19
Steve
What? but
00:50:20
Sammi
And wait, hold on. I figured out how I can have it say boobies. Like even with a mirror, look at it says boobie. Oh wait, no, I did it wrong.
00:50:31
Steve
Oh, no. You reversed your boobies.
00:50:32
Sammi
Hold on. I E S
00:50:37
Sammi
I E S I E S I did it.
00:50:38
Steve
How can you run a podcast you don't know spell boobies on a calculator?
00:50:43
Sammi
It says boobies.
00:50:46
Sammi
And isn't it cool? It lights up. Anyway, it's like it's a mechanical numpad because I have a 65% keyboard.
00:50:48
Steve
ah That is pretty nifty.
00:50:52
Sammi
Anyway, we're so on topic today. So princess treatment.
00:50:54
Steve
Love it.
00:50:56
Sammi
So yeah, anyway, I think that princess treatment lady was probably a Mormon. And that's the thing. It's like, it's interesting because I feel like the Mormon church has so many rules and so much control
00:51:09
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:12
Sammi
And it's like either it's like, you know, kind of like Mormon Rumspringa or whatever, or they like they're like, no, I like this kind of control.
00:51:23
Steve
yeah yeah
00:51:24
Sammi
And you're like, okay, I guess. Um, uh, let's see. Uh, oh yeah. So it was episode three where, yeah, i wrote, uh, Whitney fucking cracks me up. I, I also just watched a tick tock. See, this is my most used app of, um, what's his name? Jake Thomas. Is that his name from Lizzie McGuire?
00:51:45
Sammi
um where he where he did the interview, you know, where he's like, they're like, what are you looking? What do you want to do? he was at an Osmosis Jones ah video or movie premiere. And he's like, I'm really looking forward to cracking up. I haven't cracked up in a long time and I'm really looking forward to cracking up. You know what I'm talking about? Anyway. ah And I wrote in my notes like I literally watched that as I was getting ready. Yeah. Jake Thomas.
00:51:45
Steve
Oh.
00:52:11
Sammi
um And I wrote Whitney cracks me up, which just cracked me up because I just watched the video of him reacting to that years later. And he's like, I think that's like such a funny video.
00:52:22
Sammi
I think it's so cool.
00:52:22
Steve
I do love the idea of like Whitney in a group chat and with Miranda and she's just like, okay, we're going to plan this thing.
00:52:31
Steve
Cause I think it would be cute to do a mom talk thing for this. And this is how I'm getting back into mom talk. And then nobody says anything, but Miranda's right there. She's like, okay, I'll support you.
00:52:42
Steve
And then they just bounce around to everyone. They're like, Whitney's a dumb bitch. I would rather burn in hell for all of eternity. Then talk to her about wearing coordinated t-shirts.
00:52:51
Sammi
Oh my gosh. Wait, was that in episode four or what episode was that? I don't remember the t-shirts thing.
00:52:56
Steve
Oh, you know, that might have been from later, but this is like, but this is just like, I'm sorry.
00:52:56
Sammi
Does that come later? Okay. See, you're like the, the vision of the future.
00:53:03
Steve
I got i can't stop myself.
00:53:03
Sammi
no
00:53:04
Steve
I got to slow down so I can go over the show.
00:53:05
Sammi
I know I've been just taking it two episodes at a time. I like episode four ended on like a, a cliffhanger. Cause they was like, I think Jen is fake. And I was like, what? And then, um, and then they, and then I was like, can't watch it.
00:53:17
Steve
Oh, what a cliffhanger.
00:53:19
Sammi
Can't watch it. I'm done.
00:53:20
Steve
Yeah, but this is like, but but that's kind of like illustrative of of Whitney.
00:53:21
Sammi
Uh,
00:53:25
Steve
One, why she's funny. Two, just how pervasive this whole like mom talk thing is where these people are constantly like debasing themselves just to stay in the group.
00:53:37
Steve
When it's unclear to me why any of them need each other. Do you just need like other conventionally attractive women to like dance to songs while you're Mormon on TikTok?
00:53:46
Sammi
right well and that's the thing the only videos like i mentioned this the only videos that really show up on my fyp are whitney for some reason i'm not following her like and i'll see taylor's too um and that's really i see jen every once in a great while as well they're the only ones i really ever see
00:53:57
Steve
Oh,
00:54:04
Sammi
Um, but I've never seen, i've seen like, like I, like I was aware of Taylor. Like she was the one I was aware of because all of her weird rage baby videos where she would say she's 54 years old or whatever the fuck is a show.
00:54:18
Steve
oh yeah
00:54:20
Sammi
And then I forgot that she was the one who talked about like having a ghost. It's just, Dude, she is so funny. um But like hers would show up as like a mom talk thing.
00:54:33
Sammi
But like Whitney, it only shows up when it's just her or it's like her and Connor. And that's it. um I've never really seen any Whitney mom talk stuff. I feel like I only see Michaela's stuff as an ensemble.
00:54:46
Sammi
i've And I only see Jessie's stuff in the salon, really. um and Jen, I always see her dancing on her counter. Like, that's how I see them.
00:54:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:57
Sammi
So it's like, I don't even see ah all of their mom talk content. For a lot of them, I'll see their like individual stuff or their business stuff or whatever.
00:55:07
Steve
yeah
00:55:07
Sammi
So yeah, it's just so funny. And she's just like, serene, motherhood, everything's good. And then she's like, you know what? I think I want to be back in Should I be back in?
00:55:17
Sammi
And I'm like...
00:55:17
Steve
you
00:55:19
Sammi
I mean, you were the one who self-selected out anyway. Like, so it's just, it's all you manufactured drama.
00:55:24
Steve
oh yeah she she removed herself from the group chat how do i get back in now what it's like it's what is this the mob like what you you could never leave mom talk
00:55:27
Sammi
Yeah, it's like.
00:55:35
Sammi
Yeah.
00:55:37
Sammi
Like, oh, gosh, I'm trying to, I feel like there was something.
00:55:42
Sammi
I don't know if that was a video she did with some other people or if it was like a ah cut I saw or something like that. But about her like, you know, like, well, I don't run away from my problems or whatever. And then she's like running away, you know, it's like in the video.
00:55:53
Steve
Oh God.
00:55:56
Sammi
And it's like, yeah, you literally ran away to Hawaii to avoid your problems.
00:56:02
Sammi
And that's why I think you're funny. Yeah. yeah So then episode four, I have like almost no notes, but we're almost an hour in. So we've probably talked about this stuff plenty, but basically, yeah, I wrote Layla's pretty. I don't know about her boyfriend, but ah as long as he's nice to her, I like him. He just, it's like that, that other meme that's been going around where it's like, but like a, like a pretty brat stall with like that rat from flushed away.
00:56:03
Steve
my god
00:56:26
Steve
That's what he, yeah. No, seriously. I was just like, I think like on the conventionally attractive scale, you're doing pretty good, Layla. And I can't help but notice that you're dating a guy who looks like acclaimed Florida rapper Riff Raff.
00:56:34
Sammi
Yeah, she's so pretty.
00:56:40
Steve
Like, what are we doing here?
00:56:42
Sammi
yeah I mean, he does look better than her ex. I will say that.
00:56:46
Steve
Yeah, but it's,
00:56:46
Sammi
Because her ex looked, like, creepy.
00:56:49
Steve
this is, this is not Bushwick. You can't have a rat boy summer. Like it's not, it's not okay. And then she's like, also, I want to bang him, but I just can't. It's like, yeah. Cause he looks like a fucking rat.
00:57:02
Steve
So maybe that's the problem. But then of course the, the answer is no, we have to have a sex party with like little like ostrich feathers and vibrators and a butt cake.
00:57:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:57:14
Steve
And this is going to make Layla the right amount of horny for her boyfriend.
00:57:19
Sammi
Yeah, it was odd. That whole premise was odd. I don't know why I didn't take notes. I think I i just like didn't want to think about it.
00:57:26
Steve
Oh, this is, this is like a total classic in the mold of housewives.
00:57:26
Sammi
um
00:57:31
Sammi
Yeah, they've they've done an episode like this so many times.
00:57:31
Steve
Like, oh, we, the producers set up a thing to justify a thing.
00:57:34
Sammi
Yeah.
00:57:36
Steve
And it's just like, Layla's not getting laid because rat boy. And so this is our solution. And that's it.
00:57:42
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, you know, I just hope he's nice to her. That's all I hope. I hope he's nice to her.
00:57:46
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:57:47
Sammi
I hope he treats her well because she deserves it. um But yeah, this whole thing was just so, so odd. And then it was like they had like the women pair up and like blind get blindfolded and stuff and be like, do you want it harder or softer? And I was just I'm uncomfortable and I'm not in this room. Yeah.
00:58:08
Sammi
but good for them. They had, they had silly giggly fun. um and then what else? I don't know. I didn't have a, like, I didn't have a lot of notes about this episode at all. that right Oh, before that though, um, Zach is again, trying to like redeem himself. And he's like, I'm going to do a boys day with like Jordan and Brett. And he is like,
00:58:28
Sammi
He's like, I'm going to confront them about this Chippendales thing. And I'm just like, here's the thing that makes housewives good, and right? The thing that makes housewives good is the husbands are funny. The husbands are funny and they don't fight with each other.
00:58:40
Sammi
That's what makes a good housewives franchise is, you know, like, I don't know.
00:58:40
Steve
no
00:58:46
Sammi
um Well, not always New Jersey, but sometimes New Jersey more lately, right? Or like trying to think of some of the the best, the best husbands.
00:58:57
Steve
to re talking about PK all the time. Yeah.
00:58:59
Sammi
Yeah, like, yeah, like, you got to go, you got to go, like, if you have husbands who genuinely, I feel like New Jersey had and lots of good years of of good husbands, um as long as, like, both Joes weren't in the room, right?
00:59:14
Steve
Yeah.
00:59:15
Sammi
That's, like, when it was fun.
00:59:15
Steve
yeah
00:59:16
Sammi
um But it's, like, that's what makes good husbands is when they're, like, Our wives are fighting. Whatever. We're going to just like drink and play golf. um And so like just and I feel like a lot of the husbands on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives want to do that. They want to just like vibe and they're like, whatever you guys are fighting. It's fine.
00:59:38
Sammi
um But Zach did not get the memo and he's just like. trying to be yeah like a wet blanket and like he's just trying to restore this image he's never gonna fully get because it's not who he is so like you can't do a redemption tour when there's nothing to redeem
00:59:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:59:53
Steve
Nope. There's nothing there. There's nothing there.
00:59:55
Sammi
that's what i think um
00:59:56
Steve
Can't polish a turd. That's the technical term.
00:59:59
Sammi
Yep. Yeah. So anyway, so that was kind of like a bust. I feel like um I, yeah. And I, gosh, I really didn't take many notes at all. I do have a, ah I will put this in the notes as well.
01:00:13
Sammi
I do have a vulture recap, but um I don't know why I don't have many notes on this episode. I must have been really um engaged in putting an easel together.
01:00:24
Sammi
Sorry.
01:00:24
Steve
I don't know. I was i was just appalled at the world's weirdest sex party. like Literally, it's just like sex stuff that is just like strewn about. And then at some point, they're they're just like talking about, it's like, what do you like? And one them' just like, I like dirty talk.
01:00:37
Steve
And then they start talking about like their sexuality, and they're like...
01:00:38
Sammi
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:41
Steve
I'm the straightest straight ever. No, I'm straighter. I'm made out girls, but I'm the most straight. like that That's the whole conversation.
01:00:48
Sammi
Yeah, it's like, we're you're not going to take a Kinsey scale test at this.
01:00:51
Steve
No, that's not what we're doing.
01:00:51
Sammi
It's going to be fine.
01:00:53
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:53
Sammi
You can relax.
01:00:54
Steve
But again, it's just like, even when they're trying to be like, Ooh, we're edgy and Mormons can have dildos too. They're still just like, Oh, but not gay stuff.
01:01:04
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:06
Sammi
Yeah. It's so, yeah, that's so true. It's so weird. Um, yeah. And I won't get into like the lavender marriage discussion of, of it all, but yeah, it's like, that's the other thing, you know, like that's another part of the repression, right?
01:01:17
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:01:22
Sammi
It's, it's like this whole, um, you know, compact, uh, thing, this, you know, compulsory, uh, heterosexuality that happens in, in, um,
01:01:34
Sammi
Christian fundamentalism and a lot of conservative Christian circles and and Mormon circles.
01:01:38
Steve
who
01:01:39
Sammi
It's just like, that's, that's what's going to happen. So it's like, I mean, that's, that's why I think, you know, not that Jen, I feel like Jen is more free spirited and obviously Taylor's been very open about this stuff.
01:01:55
Sammi
And she, but she was like, I mean, you know, like I just did it, but like, she is a good kisser though.
01:01:59
Steve
yeah
01:02:00
Sammi
And it's like, you're almost there. You're almost there.
01:02:04
Steve
Just take the next step.
01:02:05
Sammi
just Just take the next step and just, you know, be open about the stuff you like. it's all It's all good. It's no big deal, Taylor. It's no big deal. And as long as you get out of the Mormon church, it's no big deal. No judgment. it's not a big deal.
01:02:21
Sammi
Um, yeah. Oh, this is interesting. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Optics. Um, okay. So here's a big thing that happens with this episode is Macy's got, well, so Macy had like got, wrote a book. Um,
01:02:41
Sammi
And so she's like, we're going to a book party. um So she's got a business. She's got a book. And she's like, I got these confessions. And remember last year i was getting these confessions and a lot of them turn out to be true.
01:02:53
Sammi
So I'm
Brett and Demi's Relationship Saga
01:02:55
Steve
o
01:02:56
Sammi
sitting out here like Nostradamus, you know, it's like, well, we'll just remember the ones that came true.
01:03:01
Sammi
um But she said Brett slept with someone last year when Demi was away. And we already know that Demi has like a slight controversy because maybe she got a little flirty with that guy from Vanderpump Villa, right?
01:03:18
Steve
Marciano, the Jax Taylor of Europe, the Vegas bad boy,
01:03:18
Sammi
Yeah.
01:03:23
Sammi
So there's just a lot of like, you know, it's like, oh, it feels like if we're going to go back into Housewives territory, it feels very much like Lisa Vanderpump talking about like Kyle and Mauricio, but not talking about Kyle and Mauricio. Right.
01:03:38
Steve
Yeah.
01:03:39
Sammi
That that's definitely where it's like, it's like, oh, are cracks forming? Oh, has there been infidelity? Oh, don't know. Yeah.
01:03:47
Steve
Well, and Demi's husband, he needs to be careful, because he's like 3,000 years old, right? Like, he used to be married to a housewife.
01:03:55
Sammi
True. He was married to, um, wait, what's her name from Salt Lake city hat maker, Angie hat maker, something like that.
01:04:00
Steve
um yeah I forget but yeah so yeah he was he was married to a housewife and then clearly I
01:04:05
Sammi
Anyway,
01:04:08
Sammi
he was also, he was also on the bachelor, the bachelorette. He was on Claire Crowley season.
01:04:15
Steve
yeah yeah and then he settled down with a 19 year old or whatever however old she was
01:04:15
Sammi
I did not know that until just recently. And I went, what?
01:04:24
Sammi
um Okay, they wait, what is their age gap? Because again, I'm in an age gap.
01:04:31
Steve
Yeah, but like you're like a fully formed adult.
01:04:33
Sammi
Oh my God, though. Oh my God. But do you know when they first met? Holy shit.
01:04:37
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:37
Sammi
This is what Us Weekly said.
01:04:38
Steve
How old was she? Nine and he was like 37.
01:04:39
Sammi
She was nine. She was nine?
01:04:44
Steve
No, is that true? Is that actually true?
01:04:46
Sammi
Well, that's what it says on Us Weekly. Hold on, hold on.
01:04:47
Steve
No, no, I was joking. Is that how old she was?
01:04:49
Sammi
That's what it says.
01:04:52
Steve
It's not a joke. I'm not doing a goof.
01:04:54
Sammi
Well, I'll post it. Listen. Okay.
01:04:56
Sammi
That was just.
01:04:56
Steve
Where was their first date?
01:04:57
Steve
Chuck E. Cheese?
01:04:59
Sammi
Well, I think they met in a different way, you know? Yeah. When I was wait, wait, wait, hold on. I don't know if they met then. Hold on. Angie Harrington. Why did I say hat maker?
01:05:09
Steve
He picked her up from fifth grade.
01:05:09
Sammi
That's somebody different. ah Angie Harrington. Hold on. um Wait. Oh, Jen Hatmaker. She's like a influencer, right? Anyway. um Okay.
01:05:23
Sammi
Hold on. I don't know if they actually... wait No, no, no. They didn't meet then. She just said that.
01:05:31
Steve
Okay.
01:05:31
Sammi
um Okay. I saw it and I was like, whoa. Because she said, when I was nine years old, he was married to his first wife and having babies. It's like one of those things where like, yeah, with me and my husband, I'm like, let's not, you know, and it's like, let's just not talk about like where we were in like 1995.
01:05:45
Sammi
You know what i mean? Like, we don't need to know.
01:05:46
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm.
01:05:47
Sammi
ah Like, were you in college? And, you know, my teeth were falling out. And I had bad bangs. Like, yeah. But, like, we don't need to talk about it.
01:05:59
Sammi
um So, let's see. But she said, okay, Brett was previously married, yeah, to Angie Harrington. And they have two kids. And Demi may have been, or Demi said he may have been married a second time.
01:06:12
Sammi
She hinted that he was married a second time. um She was previously married. Okay. She said she had an innocent little girl crush on Brett.
01:06:17
Steve
Okay.
01:06:20
Sammi
One thing I heard was that she had...
01:06:24
Sammi
She told him to go on The Bachelorette or something like that. And then like, and then like she broke up with her husband um shortly after.
01:06:28
Steve
okay
01:06:34
Sammi
And obviously it didn't work out for him on The Bachelorette. And then they got together. But let me just see. um When she was 18, Brett followed Demi, who was dating her ex-husband at the time on Instagram. 18. To me, that sounds like you're waiting until someone turns 18.
01:06:52
Steve
Oh my god
01:06:52
Sammi
For the record, um i met my husband when I was 21, but we didn't really know each other that well. um we did He did not follow me, and I was an adult.
01:07:04
Sammi
um And then we started dating when I was 30. Anyway.
01:07:07
Steve
God.
01:07:08
Sammi
Just for.
01:07:08
Steve
30 fine.
01:07:09
Sammi
Yeah, I was 30.
01:07:09
Steve
Nine not so fine.
01:07:11
Sammi
I was 30 and I had already been married and divorced. OK. OK, anyway, so she's wait. She said she was starstruck because of how big of a deal he was in their small town.
01:07:21
Sammi
So like she knew about him and he followed her at 18.
01:07:22
Steve
Oh God.
01:07:26
Sammi
Those are the things that make it fishy. Right.
01:07:28
Steve
Yeah, don't love it. Don't love it.
01:07:29
Sammi
Yeah.
01:07:29
Steve
Mmm.
01:07:30
Sammi
She thought he was a bad boy. um Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So as they were considering divorce again, this from Us Weekly, I will post it.
01:07:41
Sammi
Demi and Blake ran into Brett at the gym and the three chatted about a possible modeling opportunity for Maude, her kid.
01:07:46
Steve
Mmm.
01:07:47
Sammi
um During their conversation, Demi found out that Brett was single and she suggested that he go on The Bachelorette. Demi and Blake anonymously submitted Brett for the ABC series. And a few days later, Brett got the call that they wanted to consider him for Claire Crawley season.
01:08:02
Steve
Interesting. Interesting.
01:08:03
Sammi
Yeah, he was cast on the show. um And then around the same time, Demi decided to part ways with her ex-husband.
01:08:11
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:08:12
Sammi
Yeah. And then she, yeah. um And then she like messaged him again about this whole baby modeling situation. And, um and then he was like helping or whatever. And then, yeah. And she, and she's very careful about like, it was, it was an appropriate amount of time and we waited for these things and we didn't start seeing each other until then. Like very carefully crafted, you know, type of a thing. So.
01:08:38
Sammi
anyway and then they got together in 2020 okay so that's that's the thing um yeah it's a little weird um so yeah there's there's um there's potentially trouble afoot listen if she thought he was the bad boy maybe he was the bad boy don't know
01:08:38
Steve
God.
01:08:57
Steve
Mm.
01:08:57
Sammi
Or maybe they have some kind of agreement that we don't know about. And people are trying to blow up their spot.
01:09:01
Steve
Also a possibility.
01:09:02
Sammi
You never know. um So let's see. um Then. <unk> um Yeah.
Jen's Personal Challenges and Faith Crisis
01:09:12
Sammi
So we've got more Jen and Miranda hanging out stuff.
01:09:17
Sammi
um And. um Yeah. And she gets into. yeah She gets into like a fight with Zach. All of that. And then. Jen asked Miranda about her divorces on the vulture.
01:09:30
Sammi
um Yeah.
01:09:32
Sammi
And then tears up before she even begins talking about her current crisis of faith and bottomless wall of doubt.
01:09:32
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:09:32
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:09:36
Sammi
That was the thing that was so hard. It was just like, she's like, I'm going through the separation and I'm having a crisis of faith. And it's like, oh my gosh. Like if, you know, if these things had lined up this way or you made this choice, like,
01:09:51
Sammi
ah Like, I just feel like it it does feel like so close to tipping. And that's really just so tough. I don't know. um And that happened right before this, like, Zach redemption tour at the, you know, going golfing or whatever.
01:10:07
Sammi
Yeah.
01:10:10
Steve
that's how redeem someone
01:10:10
Sammi
So, and, but and they're like, also we're dad talk. Okay. So they have mom talk and we have dad talk.
01:10:16
Steve
ah
01:10:16
Sammi
So it's very important, you know?
01:10:17
Steve
oh god just lifting up dads everywhere breaking down stereotypes we're not douches
01:10:21
Sammi
Um, yeah.
01:10:27
Sammi
so weird so so yeah so then they do this remove the taboo thing whatever um oh yeah this was in the vulture recap too if for a second here you thought wow loving this homoeroticism think again demi says she's so straight it's scary
01:10:44
Steve
god
01:10:45
Sammi
Um, yeah. Um, but yeah, I do think Taylor was like really like feeling that combat thing where she was just like, well, I did kit, but it was just a thing we did. I didn't really think about it, but she is a good kisser. And I'm like, that's the truth.
01:10:58
Sammi
So lean into that a little bit more. um But yeah, so Jen is not really telling... Like, this is the other thing that's hard, is like, we know what Jen's going through, and she is like, keeping it bottled up. And the thing is, if she wanted to wield more power and make the show about her, she could...
01:11:19
Sammi
share more of this information and um and get back into the women's good graces faster.
01:11:21
Steve
Yeah.
01:11:27
Sammi
um and she's choosing not to do that, I think, because she's in a relationship with a really manipulative guy.
01:11:34
Steve
yeah
01:11:35
Sammi
um And they don't see that. So then she just feels even more isolated because he's already convinced her that like they're not, you know, good. And also I feel like he's kind of trained some of her friends to be like flying monkeys too.
01:11:51
Sammi
We're going into that vein. Like they're going back and telling him stuff, um which is shitty. Yeah.
01:11:59
Steve
Not
Outro: Light-hearted Confessions and Jokes
01:12:00
Steve
great.
01:12:00
Sammi
It's shitty. um Anyway, so, yeah, but then we, so we have, like, these confessions and all of that stuff, and they're, you know, a lot of them are just kind of, like, goofy little, like, I had sex in this place or whatever.
01:12:15
Steve
One time I farted at McDonald's. like it's it's all It's all pretty like low stakes, like teehee stuff.
01:12:18
Sammi
it Yeah,
01:12:24
Steve
Well, ah until we get to like Jen's a dumb fake bitch or something. like
01:12:31
Steve
That's so mean. Even if you think that, why is this the the vehicle for that? Well, i mean, the answer is because there's a producer and you're like, just do this. It's a good idea.
01:12:45
Steve
Real mean shit.
01:12:54
Steve
Yeah, you got a really weird face right now. This is the Steve show. yeah Yeah, Yeah, you're just like this.
01:13:02
Steve
Hi, my name's Sammy. I'm a smart lady. That's look like.
01:13:10
Steve
Wow. You can try your best. so
01:13:17
Steve
Do you want me to, do you want me to like mime your mouth while you say the words that outro us? All right, let's try and do that.
01:13:44
Steve
I like how giving you a mean face while I'm doing it too. ah
01:13:57
Steve
I don't use needle drugs. It's the outro music. ah that du du it's the outro music It's not possible at all.
01:14:14
Steve
I hope it's fine. see you later.
01:14:19
Steve
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01:14:30
Steve
You ever seen the movie All About Steve? I think it's got about a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. But coming from a Steve perspective, it's a pretty hot ticket. That's all we have for the Steve cast today, but ah tune in next week where we're going to discuss more Steve topics like Steve Martin, silver Fox, or just foxy guy in general.
01:14:50
Steve
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Steve
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Steve
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