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Steve: I just trying to make you crack, girl.
Sammi: Oh, okay, that's fine. Hello, I'm Sammy. the hello
Steve: Oh, hello.
Sammi: i'm sammy
Steve: And I'm Steve.
Sammi: And you're listening to Roseplate Special, the most dramatic, high-landing-ist, haggising-ist, 500-mile-sing-ist recap podcast of The Bachelor ever.
Steve: Amber! Makes you wanna throw a big stump.
Sammi: and
Sammi: this is the most Scottish episode ever.
Steve: Oh my god.
Sammi: it was so exciting. Yeah, and I, so it's it's pronounced Edinburgh, right? Isn't that how you say it? Okay.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Phew. I wanted to make sure I'm signing it right.
Steve: Yeah, don't say Edinburgh. Don't say that.
Sammi: Or Edinburgh.
Steve: Edinburgh. That's how you got to do it.
Sammi: Oh, nice.
Steve: A little ferocity.
Sammi: Okay. Yeah. so there they're in Scotland.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: That's the worst Scottish accent you'll ever get.
Steve: a
Sammi: um
Steve: Wait, are you the Highlander? Oh my god, that's amazing.
Sammi: Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, you know, there was a brief moment of time where Ancestry said I was 15 percent Scottish and I was like, wow.
Steve: Oh, let's go.
Sammi: And then I got an update and they were like, actually, maybe close to zero.
Steve: o
Sammi: And I was like, how? How? I mean, I know how it works. You know, because that stuff isn't, you know, it's like based on the data that we have and now we've amassed more data and whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But I went from being, yeah, like 15 percent Scottish to like maybe like one or two percent. I don't know. And I was like so excited because I was like, I never knew that I had Scottish relatives.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: But why does it say all these Irish and German people in my tree and English people? Because they I don't know. Maybe there's like one Scottish person who just like, you know, got mixed in there.
Steve: Also, but my favorite like uniquely American trait, like you go anywhere else in the world. So let's say that you're in in Rome and you ask some Italian guy, like, hey, like what's what what are you?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: and He's just like, fucking Italian. Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: But like, if you go to America, no one would ever answer that question. just like, I'm American.
Sammi: Well...
Steve: Everyone's just like, I am exactly 19.6% Scottish. Exactly.
Sammi: Exactly. No variation.
Steve: And then that becomes your personality. That's the whole thing.
Sammi: Well, you know, well, okay.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So, well, I have a lot of thoughts about this. I'm literally writing an entire, well, it was a thesis.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: Now it's probably a dissertation about this, which we can talk about later. um But no, I think that's it. Well, okay. We said we were going to do the short and then you bring out this topic that I'm like, I could talk about this for hours.
Steve: you know yeah yeah yeah
Sammi: um But that's a problem, right? Like as well, I mean, there are lots of people I think now these days will be like, I'm a American because of the the world we live in right now. But that is like a major issue that, you know, people from European, ah like people who are European American are so divorced from their ancestry that they don't understand where they came from.
Steve: mm-hmm
Sammi: So a lot of the work that I've been doing lately is learning more about my ancestry to understand. maybe things that were disconnected a long time ago, like from before my grandparents and my great grandparents. Like, ah you know, I think I feel like a lot of us ah from, well, I'll just speak from my own perspective.
Sammi: I grew up hearing a lot of stories. don't know if I brought this up on the podcast before or not, but like I grew up with like a lot of stories about like things that happened. Like my dad's mom would tell these stories about like um your ancestors were beheaded by the Bolsheviks.
Sammi: And I was like, that's a wild thing to say.
Steve: Right.
Sammi: And then to find out that I'm actually part of this like German minority group that traveled to Russia in like the late 1700s, early 1800s with the promise of land who had been like genocided twice and deported from the country in like the early And that definitely proved and that that definitely but probably happened to some of my relatives ah was like so weird to find out when I actually started reading about my history. I'm like, oh, she wasn't wrong. And she was like, all these records were lost in a fire. And I was like, what are you talking about?
Sammi: And then to find out that like all these ah settlements um along the Volga River were destroyed. um i was like, oh, so she was right. But it also kind of lent into that, you know, Russian, Russian-American story of like, you're secretly a Romanov.
Sammi: You know, like, you know what I mean?
Steve: and That's what I was going to say.
Sammi: So it's like me as a kid,
Steve: And thus begins The Princess Diaries Part 4 starring Sammy.
Sammi: Right. Me as a kid, like, you know, being obsessed with Anastasia and being like, that's the best movie I've ever seen.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
Sammi: and John Cusack. Wow. And Hank Azaria and Meg Rae.
Steve: Obviously. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: I mean, come on. The voice acting was ridiculous. um And I was like, that's such a romantic notion. I have brown hair and blue eyes. Maybe I'm a Romanov, you know, and then to find out, no, I just came from like farmers so who were discriminated against the entire time they were in Russia.
Steve: Oh,
Steve: oh yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. And then they came to America and they were just treated like they were Russian as well.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um So they didn't belong in any place. um You know, it's like understanding those kinds of things, I do think reconnects you. And it goes beyond that surface level of like, oh, I did this ancestry thing and it turns out I'm 15% or 0% Scottish.
Sammi: So there you go. You got a serious answer to a joke thing you said.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: That's okay.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: I just like guys from Boston that are like, yeah, I'm Irish. It's like, yeah, dude, no, you're not.
Sammi: yeah
Steve: You're from fucking Massachusetts. Fuck off.
Sammi: Yeah, yeah. No, that was another story my grandma used to say. is She said like, oh, well, because like she would say weird stuff like, oh, because we kissed the Blarney Stone, we're Irish. But it turns out I'm like 25 percent Irish.
Steve: Oh.
Sammi: I was like, wait, we are Irish, but just not in the way that you described it. And she is she was probably like almost 100 percent Irish and French.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: She was like Irish and French Canadian, I think. But anyway, really interesting stuff.
Steve: Yeah. Listen, I'm more interested in my family's history. Like once they got to America, because here's, I mean, fuck it. Like, I'm just like a giant, like everybody in Europe banged and then they shook them all up and then they made, they made me, me personally, uh,
Sammi: And then they made you.
Sammi: You personally. Only you.
Steve: But listen, here's here's one thing that is absolutely true and absolutely hilarious.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: um So my, I guess it'd be my great, great grandparents.
Sammi: Oh,
Steve: ah They, were so I'm um originally from Michigan. And they were friends like socially with the with the Fords and the Firestones. OK, which is stupid.
Sammi: oh wow. Wow.
Steve: How did I end up poor? Like what where was where's this trickle down? Like if you ever want to indictment of trickle down economics, why am I not rich?
Sammi: So rude. Yeah.
Steve: Bullshit. um
Sammi: Complete bullshit.
Steve: But so this would have been just my great grandma. And so this would have been her sister. ah Henry Ford came back from some trip and gave them like gifts and he gave my great grandma, I don't know, like a necklace or something.
Steve: And he gave what have been my great aunt, I guess, a monkey and the monkey bit her. She got a disease and she died.
Sammi: Wow.
Steve: Henry Ford killed my great aunt with a monkey.
Sammi: Holy crap.
Sammi: That is so weird.
Steve: Yeah, and I'm not rich.
Sammi: Yeah. ah I'm going to go see the monkey tomorrow, by the way. Anyway, um that's wild.
Steve: Just, yeah, just stew on that one for a bit. But
Sammi: That's really wild. The Bachelor. Well, now, okay. The only interesting... Well, I have two interesting ancestry stories besides the weird shit that my grandma told me that is like now true. And now I'm like, I guess she wasn't so cuckoo after all. like There's some truth to the weird shit she's... Except for like, don't buy a red car because people will get mad and hit you.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: ah she And she was like, computers are listening to us. She was just ahead of her time on that one.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
Sammi: um But ah yeah, like my... great uncle, I think great uncle or great great uncle was like, so I have like all this family that like lived in Montreal and, um, and I think still lives up there.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So I've got to try to figure out like living relatives out there. I think it'd be fun to, uh, meet some of them, but, my, my like great uncle or something like that was like this big NHL coach and he lived to like 90 and he coached like a few teams.
Sammi: And so like when he died, he got like a really great obituary, you know, it was like lived to 90 and was like this huge inspirational, like and NHL coach.
Steve: go
Sammi: Um, and then the other one is on my mom's side. I think it was my great, great grandmother, um, was this midwife who delivered 2,500 babies Oshkosh. Um, and ashosh um
Steve: That's a lot of babies.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: That's like, that's the entire population of Oshkosh.
Sammi: Yeah. It's a lot of babies.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like legendary midwife. Yeah. Pretty cool. So it's like she knew all these families and stuff. And like, yeah.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: So she also got a really good tribute in the paper, but nobody, i mean, outside of the Bolsheviks, I don't know who else killed my family. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, not Henry Ford.
Sammi: Yeah, ah maybe so maybe someone got killed by like a hockey puck. Who knows?
Steve: Yeah, you never know.
Sammi: um In Canada, anything can happen. But anyway, we're in Scotland. ah Wild that Zoe hasn't had a one on one yet and she does not get one in this episode.
Steve: It doesn't even matter because she's just going win. Like, this is so funny to me.
Sammi: Wow.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
Sammi: That's so, i so bold of you to say that. I don't, I'm not sure at this point, well, we we can get there, but at this point, I really don't know who's going to win.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: I felt like I had good feelings about people who like all got off the show this week. So I was just like, I don't know anything, but Grant starts at this episode by saying all like the keywords.
Steve: Yeah, it's kind of odd.
Sammi: He was like clarity journey, my person. um
Steve: Oh, get out your bingo cards.
Sammi: But here's, here's the thing. I mean, I think we can make a really strong case for Juliana winning the whole thing. Cause she gets the shopping date.
Steve: Yeah, she does get the shopping date.
Sammi: Just saying.
Steve: That's that's totally fair. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Yeah, she gets the shopping date. And this is interesting because they have them wear all this like traditional Scottish stuff, you know, and then they just come out wearing like normal fancy clothes for this event.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And I was like, that's kind of ah cop out.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I don't know.
Steve: Yeah. even Even when they travel abroad, I'm just like, eh, little chintzy.
Sammi: It's just kind of sad.
Steve: I don't know. Like...
Sammi: like a little American for my taste. Like I was just like, this is cool.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like you're wearing like, yeah, like tartans and stuff like, and that's cool. And another thing that I'm doing as part of like my ancestry exploration is learning more about like the textiles that got made and in the region where my people were from.
Sammi: And that's like the specific type of like gingham and whatever.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: And so i was like, this is cool. Like I love how fabrics like connect cultures and I'm a fiber. I would call myself a fiber artist, I guess. And so I'm very interested in that kind of thing.
Sammi: And then they're just like, but we're just going to wear like regular stuff that we would wear anywhere. And I was like, oh, OK, well, that's fine.
Steve: yeah yeah
Sammi: And then they go to this like ball or whatever, and they're dancing to like the it's the Highwaymen, right? Isn't that the name of the band?
Steve: ah no what is their name ah yeah who sings it it's it's like two brothers is it
Sammi: Yeah, it's the highway. Wait, or no no, no, no, no. What is it? What's the name of this?
Sammi: Hold on.
Steve: the The Proclaimers is the name, I believe.
Sammi: the proclaimers.
Steve: There we go.
Sammi: Why do I think the highwaymen? I don't know.
Steve: I don't know.
Sammi: Cause they're going on the highway, the proclaimers. Yeah. So they're, they're listening to this, like the proclaimers song. I'm going to be 500 miles, um, ah done by violin, which is like also like a very Lindsey Sterling type of a thing to do or whatever.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um and they're like, so it's like, it's kind, that's the thing. It's like, it's kind of cultural. It's kind of absolutely not. Um, uh, but, but they, but whatever, it's fine.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Steve: Yeah, it's it's like when you go to a wedding and then they play the string quartet music of popular pop songs.
Sammi: Um,
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And then, it yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. And then people are like, that's so cool, isn't it? And I'm like, in some ways, it's cool like it depends on who's doing it in the context.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I don't know.
Steve: No, I need someone with a violin to play WAP by Cardi B while I'm walking down the aisle. That's that's it.
Sammi: Yeah, there's there's something WAP. You say WAP, not WAP.
Steve: WAP. WAP. WAP.
Sammi: WAP.
Steve: I'm too Midwestern.
Sammi: That's so Midwestern.
Steve: Yeah, sorry.
Sammi: Yeah. There's this song WAP by Cardi B.
Steve: Whamp, whamp, whamp by Curdy B, you know?
Sammi: Oh, I just love it when they play WAP.
Steve: what's What's that there that's wet there?
Sammi: It's my favorite. Yeah.
Steve: I'm i'm unaware. No, I don't you just you know. you You go to a lot of these like weddings, and i mean and it's not bad. It's fine. But like I always wonder, I'm like... Do they think they're fooling anybody? they think they're the first person to do this? Or is this just what we're doing? Or I i don't know.
Steve: This is like real and and no offense, because I know you were once a ah ah barn wedding girly, but like I went to a string of barn weddings over the course of like two to three years.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: ah Barn wedding girly, which really took me out in seconds.
Steve: so
Sammi: like
Steve: But like, I feel like I'm like, guys, did you like all like just coordinate?
Sammi: Sorry, keep going.
Steve: Because it was just like the same thing.
Sammi: Listen, I was one of the first barn wedding girlies. Here's the thing. I always start trends.
Steve: I invented barns.
Sammi: no No, I'm serious. I'm always like one of the first people to do these things. And then everyone does it. Then I'm like, now it looks like fucking so stupid. But anyway, it's fine.
Steve: Yeah. You want to put some fairy lights in a mason jar, girl, or what?
Sammi: Yeah. Well, I like DIY. I can't even tell you. I spent a year and a half making paper origami bouquets. OK, get on my level, everyone.
Steve: I know. I know. Get on my level. I'm sorry. I won't talk shit about pop song string quartets.
Sammi: No, no, no, you can't. No, keep talking shit. It's fine. It's fine.
Steve: That's what I do best.
Sammi: It didn't work out. It's fine.
Steve: Yeah, it's fine. It's fine.
Sammi: I didn't even want to do it. And then I did it so hardcore.
Steve: Yeah, this is the the Sammy Steve dynamic is Steve's like, you know what?
Sammi: It was like.
Steve: I hate this completely innocuous thing. And then Sammy goes, actually, that's me.
Steve: And then I walk it back.
Sammi: Okay, wait, I need to tell you, okay, we we will keep this short. There's not a lot to talk about in this episode, so we'll keep it short. um We've got places to be, okay?
Steve: Yeah, places to be.
Sammi: we've got We've got illegal things to do, apparently. I won't say more than that.
Steve: Yeah, I got I got illegal activities to do. Yeah.
Sammi: I just i might go to a craft fair, which is completely on the up and up.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, but, uh, so it's funny. One of my clients just did like a photo shoot somewhere or like a video shoot somewhere. And it was like at this place where it was like all lofts and things like that. So they had like different scenes and places that you could go. And, um, we, uh, it was me and then like our social media coordinator,
Sammi: And she was picking the venue. She had like two places to pick from. And she was we were kind of talking about it. She's like, I like this one because it's like more industrial. it' kind of like moody and cool, whatever. And i was like, I agree. I think that looks really cool. So I think you should pick that.
Sammi: And afterwards, he's like telling me about it. And he goes, he goes, ah well, and I heard this from another like team member, too. And she was like, because he didn't say this part directly to me, but I know he said it.
Sammi: Apparently he was like, well, I was afraid to touch things because I don't know what else they're filming here. You know, he was like, it's kind of afraid to touch the pillows. But then in like the the same breath, she goes, but he did go like, oh, it's like, it's like very moody and dark and mysterious and industrial. It's very Sammy. And I was like, but you were afraid to touch things. Like, i don't really know how to feel about that. Yeah.
Sammi: And I still haven't taken him to task for that. I'm like, I can't remember it. I'd be like, so wait, you were afraid to touch things, but you also thought it was like very me.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like, what does that, what does that mean?
Steve: What does that mean? can we unpack that?
Sammi: What does that mean? What are you implying?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um
Steve: That always freaks me out.
Sammi: No.
Steve: Like, like whenever, especially if there's multiple people that are like, oh, have you seen this? Or have you been here? It's such a Steve thing. And I'm like, if three people say that to me, I'm like, oh no, what are we defining as a Steve thing?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: ah
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, like the last thing was the substance. bunch people saw this, they're like, oh, it's such a Steve movie. and I was like, I better be fucking good.
Sammi: The Substance the substance is so good. i mean so That was my favorite movie of 2024 sure. think about
Steve: Yeah, good. Apparently it's very Steve core. But also to our listeners, what does that mean?
Sammi: i think about it
Steve: I mean, it's for you to unpack.
Sammi: I think about it all the time. i think of the Simpsons constantly. Yeah. Yeah. yeah i totally like i take full offense to anyone who said that the that they thought like Portland would be a Sammy thing.
Sammi: I take full offense to that full offense.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: OK, that's not a Sammy thing.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: You don't know me. Yeah.
Steve: You're Portlandia ass.
Sammi: Yeah, I'm like, you don't know me at all. Okay, it has to be real. It has to be that stuff, but not feel manufactured. Asheville is a Sammy thing. Portland is not a Sammy thing. There's a difference.
Sammi: Okay, learn the difference.
Steve: Yeah. You're like, maybe Portland, Maine.
Sammi: Yeah, actually, well, Maine kind of scares me. I mean, in in general, because they really just do whatever they want out there.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, it is.
Sammi: It's like, I've only been to Bar Harbor, though, really.
Steve: It's a little lawless.
Sammi: So I can't really say much about Maine. Bar Harbor School.
Steve: Portland, Maine slaps. They got really good lobster rolls. Highly recommend.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. Bar Harbor school is very dog friendly. Okay. That's all I know. Uh, anyway, so, well, so, okay.
Steve: Hey, what do what are we doing in Scotland here? What's going on? We're doing the Highland games.
Sammi: So Latia gets the one-on-one. So we find out.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: So afterwards, after this date, the proclaimers, my brain goes the highwayman because I'm tired.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, Latia gets the one-on-one. So he doesn't get it. Um, Carolina gets more time at this group date. So, okay. So they go on this group date. They do like Highland games, kind of, um, and,
Steve: This shit is so dumb. Like this is like like the the the ongoing like multi-episode arc of just like this comedy of of of people misunderstanding each other and and misreading situations.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: It's it's amazing. This is the biggest non-issue ever.
Sammi: Yeah. So here's my general takeaway. This can, this will cut through all the bullshit. Carolina is a hundred percent, right? She's a hundred percent, right?
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: About everything she says during all of this shit. She, first of all, is picking up the fact that Grant is not going to pick her and she's trying to get off the show more gracefully.
Steve: Yeah. Good honor.
Sammi: And then And then, I don't know, but the weird thing is then Grant's like, oh, maybe I'm not ready to let her go just yet. i don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Or make it more dramatic.
Steve: Haha, baby. I'm still going to. Don't Don't be worried, girl. Shut up.
Sammi: It was so it was so weird because like because it seemed like he was about to break up with her.
Steve: Just kick her off, man.
Sammi: I think Carolina felt that we felt that because he was just like, sometimes it's time to just like let things go if they're not working.
Steve: Yeah. Mm
Sammi: You know, you just got to move.
Steve: hmm.
Sammi: And I'm like, OK, this is a good out. She was picking up on this. You are ah confirming it. And then she starts to get a little more vulnerable. And then he's like, actually, you know what? You can stick around.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And she's like, oh, OK, what? um And and then the other women just read it as like, oh well, they're just hanging out and having a good time. I'm like, I don't know. I'm sure some producer was in her ear sowing doubt and being like, you got to make sure that you solidify your chances or it's like it's now or never you're in or out, you know, and she's like, you're right.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: I got it. I got to do this.
Steve: And let the record show that even though Carolina understands the game, because that there's there's different types of conflicts in The Bachelor, and one of them is I don't know how it works. And the other one is i am aware of how it works, but it still doesn't feel nice.
Steve: Okay?
Sammi: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steve: So, again, like i would I would challenge anyone...
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Imagine you start dating someone and you really like them, but you're only a couple of weeks in and whoops a daisy. You have to compete with like a dozen other women for the same guy. That doesn't feel good. That sounds like anxiety to me, especially in a high stress situation. So, yeah, I think on a group date, if I'm already feeling down and I'm feeling like I'm losing out, but I still kind of like this person that sucks.
Steve: And she's just kind of like off and kind of bummed out.
Sammi: yeah
Steve: And she's she's sea she's watching the plane crash. She knows she's getting booted and she's right. Grant pulls her. Grant sees her.
Sammi: her
Steve: And, you know, and the girl's like, oh, she's sulking. Well, I mean, whatever. But yeah, Grant sees her. Grant pulls her. Grant talks to her. And then she comes back and like, you ruined everything. And then you made God rain on us and it ruined the Highland Games.
Sammi: Yeah, it's it's your fault that it rained and and things ended early. Like,
Steve: Also, we are the the bad boy slash bad girl of Bachelor podcasting because the amount of Carolina and and Zoe hatred out there is it's intense.
Steve: It is like a wall of hatred.
Sammi: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. Like, it doesn't make any sense at all. Well, and also, okay, but I will...
Steve: Yeah. Everyone listening to this, you're wrong.
Sammi: Yeah, you're wrong. How does it feel to be wrong?
Steve: Yeah. What's that like? I wouldn't know.
Sammi: Bad and wrong. oh
Steve: hmm.
Sammi: o Must feel so gross. um No, but here's... Okay, i'm I'm going to say this one thing about Zoe, though. Zoe, you can't... You cannot play both sides here.
Sammi: Because you are like, okay, I'm taking the time.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: this is This is the game.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: But that's why I'm saying Zoe's not good at the game.
Steve: Not just bad at the game.
Sammi: I keep saying Zoe is not good at the show at all.
Steve: Mm-mm.
Sammi: She is not... manipulative or conniving the the way that these women have made her out to be. Because if she was, then she wouldn't turn around and then say, well, she's taking time away from us.
Steve: Mm-mm.
Sammi: I'm like, Zoe, Look at yourself. Look at what you did earlier.
Steve: Mm-mm.
Sammi: You you can't do both.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
Sammi: You know, you have to play it either. Yeah. You know what? All's fair. Like Maria did.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Like, you know, Courtney did where it's like all's fair. You take the time that you need. This is a strategy or or you say, OK, these are the rules and you can be like boring like all the other women in this ah season where they're like, well, I took turns and I took my time and whatever.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: But you can't say both. You can't be like, well, I took time. And i and she was like, i remember. She was like, I wouldn't be mad if other women did this. Anyone else can take him. Anyone else could go out there.
Sammi: It's like nothing was stopping you from going out to interrupt him while he was talking with Carolina. Nothing.
Steve: Yep, nothing.
Sammi: You could have done that. You could have taken the initiative and done that. You decided not to and like peer out these castle walls to like see what she's doing or whatever.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um But you had you could have done the same thing that she did. And then Zoe's like, well, I wasn't pouting and I decided to stay optimistic and Carolina wasn't.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And I'm like, that was your choice. You decided to play it that way.
Steve: Yeah, totally.
Sammi: Carolina did things a different way. And I don't think either one of them, honestly, is being manipulative. I don't.
Steve: Mm-mm.
Sammi: That's my feeling. um I could be completely wrong. We could find out something completely different in the women tell all, but I just don't think either one of them is actually good enough at playing the game that it reads to me as a strategy.
Steve: and
Steve: No, no.
Sammi: i think it's just their genuine reaction in the moment, which is why Zoe is now like flip-flopping and going, well, yes, we should. i maybe, I think Zoe might've gotten tired of being treated the way she did in the house.
Sammi: And so she was like, yes, I'm going to fall in line.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And say like, but like taking your turn makes sense.
Steve: Pretty much.
Sammi: So that bothered me about Zoe this week because I was just like, no, just stand in your truth and stick to your guns and don't and don't be like, oh, yeah, now I change my mind because, you know, it's convenient or whatever.
Steve: Yeah. ah and And this is an important point, too, because excuse me, this is an important point because we love when we have a season where all the girls get along. It's nice. It's fun.
Steve: But as a, you know, a famous bachelorette or a bachelor contestant once said, I'm not here to make friends.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: That's not the point. The point is, you got to play the game, ah even if you're bad at the game. And the idea that like, I don't know. There's there's people in this house that are are trying to be like, oh, girly solidarity over everything. It's like not in this situation in life.
Steve: Yes. In The Bachelor. No, it's I'm sorry. That's not the point. So ah but yeah, Zoe not conniving.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: um What is her greatest skill as a contestant? I guess like wearing a lot of different colored neon dresses and looking very beautiful in them. So congratulations.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: But that's not like ah that's not a skill for manipulating people on a reality dating show.
Sammi: Congrats.
Sammi: Yeah, i think I think Zoe, I mean, you can tell like she doesn't have the level of confidence that these women seem to think that she does.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: She crumbles pretty quickly. Carolina, too. i think they both have a lot of insecurities and vulnerabilities, which you're on a national television show.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I think it's like perfectly rational to react that way to a very bizarre situation. And they're like two of the people that I feel like are approaching this in the most authentic way.
Sammi: And they're getting so much shit for it.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And it's just...
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: It's just like weird. I don't know. I just don't really get that. Yeah, I don't get the hate, but I would like to see Zoe be consistent. But I think her inconsistency speaks even more to this is not like this is not a strategy.
Steve: No.
Sammi: This is not an act like this is just she's really trying to get along to get along like in the house.
Steve: yep
Sammi: um I also wanted to know what Carolina's sign was because she was like, what do you think my sign is? And I guess Scorpio.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: um Did you have any guesses?
Steve: No, I mean, I'm not good at that stuff. um But i I did like, i I wanted to know. So I'm curious. Yeah.
Sammi: Okay, well, Screen Rant says she's a Sagittarius, which is pretty close to a Scorpio, I have to say, in personality.
Steve: Oh, what up, fellow Sagittarius?
Steve: and I don't know what that means, but i it sounds like a really it sounds like a really good cool thing, as far as
Sammi: That's exactly what a Sagittarius would say. just kidding. yeah
Sammi: ah No, I'm not much of a i'm not much of a Zodiac girly, but I am a white girl with a nose ring. So, you know, so I need to tell you what the planets are doing.
Steve: yeah exactly exactly
Steve: All I'm saying is like, you know what, if you are a Zodiac girly or if you're just, ah you know, a Sammy or whatever, no one can ever talk shit about my my sun sign or my moon sign or any of my other signs because I was born on the same day as Britney Spears.
Steve: Fuck off. You can't talk shit about me.
Sammi: Wow. Yeah. You can't talk shit about. Yeah. Yeah. I share birthdays with weird people. um Not on the same year, though, as anybody.
Steve: hmm.
Sammi: Well, I actually I know people i actually know a lot of people in my real life that I share birthdays with, even down to the year, which is really interesting and odd.
Steve: Wow.
Sammi: I feel like I mean, what are the chances?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: One in 365 divided by however many your times how many years anyway? Yeah.
Sammi: So, ah yeah, no, one time I did get interviewed by Glamour Magazine about horoscopes.
Steve: Ooh.
Sammi: So I'm in Glamour Magazine with my with my opinion about horoscopes.
Steve: How glamorous of you. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: That's a true fact. That's a true thing that happened. um But I'm a Taurus, so, you know.
Steve: Classic bull behavior. Bullishly finding your way into glamour.
Sammi: Yeah, obviously. I'm like, glamour. Hello. Like, that's such a Torian thing.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: The girls who get it, get it. Anyway, so. So, okay. Yeah, this is interesting. So, Carolina, you know, she's having she's having this moment. It's totally, I think, normal and rational.
Sammi: um But then Dina's like, Dina flips. She's like, well, I was supporting you until today.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And now I disagree with what you're doing because
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Now that what you did affected me, I don't like it.
Sammi: i
Sammi: Yeah. And she's like, I don't want, but I really think that there is this culture in the house where it's like, if you don't follow the rules, you are getting iced out. I really think that's what it is.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But honestly, we're getting to the point right before hometowns. You're not going to have to spend time with these women anymore. Don't play nice.
Steve: No.
Sammi: This is the time. And also, does this feel like moving really fast to you, like faster than normal?
Steve: It is. It is. And I i felt that in my soul.
Sammi: Okay. Is it
Steve: And...
Sammi: And then you checked. Yeah.
Steve: And then I check there's someone I'm going to get this wrong, but they're called like bachelor PhD or something or bachelor stats. And it's this person who she she just like literally breaks down statistics on the bachelor. It's really interesting.
Steve: And she went through and she had this cool like bar chart thing of.
Sammi: I love a chart.
Steve: all the different seasons and then like how many weeks they had until hometowns and grant season is like one of the shortest in forever basically
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Okay. It felt like that. I mean, so this also speaks to the lack of budget that we're talking about.
Steve: yes exactly
Sammi: We're even getting fewer episodes like Grant. i Yeah. Like, because when he's like, he's having a talk with, I can't remember. It wasn't with Carolina. He said this was, so oh, with Zoe, I guess.
Sammi: I think it was with Zoe where he was like, all it takes is one conversation. Right. Wasn't that what he said to Zoe?
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: Like all it takes is one conversation to turn things around. So like, don't feel bad that you haven't gotten a one on one yet. But it's like, yeah, Zoe is like quite a strong contender. And the fact that like she's getting to hometowns and has never had one on one time. I'm like, that's got to be because they had this shortage of time. Right.
Sammi: um And it was so interesting because like they also the other thing that they could have done is done ah different one on one.
Steve: Yep. ye
Sammi: Like Zoe could have gotten that Vanderpump date.
Steve: Yeah, totally.
Sammi: But then they decided to do it as like a mini group date instead, which was like such an odd choice.
Steve: Yeah, which is very odd. Yeah.
Sammi: But it's yeah, it everything feels very rushed. And I feel like I know a little bit about each of the women who are remaining, but I don't know very much about any of them.
Sammi: Like outside of the fact that a lot of them seem to have had really rough upbringings.
Steve: No.
Sammi: That seems to be like the common thread with a lot of the women who are left as well.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Um, I don't really know much about them. It's like, I kind of forgot about Alex, despite the fact that she was like hugging the llama and crying not too long ago.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
Sammi: Like, cause she had such an early, oh I mean, she had a very early one-on-one.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Was she the first one-on-one the mall date? I don't know.
Steve: Yeah, think she's Maldite, yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. You know, and it's like, but I thought that she was a pretty strong, like a standout person. And then to have her go home was like kind of shocking.
Steve: It was kind of weird, yeah.
Sammi: Um, and so yeah.
Steve: and And she's like one of those people, too, that was just like, she seemed a little more lighthearted than the rest of the group, ah which was nice.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Nice breath of fresh air. Juliana, I don't know what her actual personality is, aside from East Coast girl. Like, I'm walking here.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Like, that's all I got from her.
Sammi: Well, and now we're going to get to see like her very Italian family next week.
Steve: Yeah. and And like, Dina's the same thing. It's like, Grant, do you want to just like get yelled at because you weren't stirring the spaghetti sauce? Like, that's that's all I'm getting from Dina and Juliana.
Sammi: Well, she's no, but she's isn't she like Romanian?
Steve: Yeah. She might be.
Sammi: Dina's Romanian.
Steve: She might be.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: But like, it's just this like, so it's it's strong lady yelling at you energy, which, you know, good or bad, if that's what you want, Grant.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: ah And then Zoe is Zoe. And Letia, two things I want to point out. One, I love when Carolina just kind of breaks and she's like, you guys get mad when I do this thing. You guys get mad when I do the other thing.
Steve: I don't care anymore. And they're yelling at her as she goes upstairs to talk to Grant. And she just goes, I'm going to be evil and bad.
Sammi: Yeah, like I, but she yeah, it's like she cannot win.
Steve: She's just like.
Steve: Yeah, she can't win.
Sammi: Like, I feel like they just want to hate women in the house this season. And it's just exhausting.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like you could get along, you could support each other, you know, this weird,
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: ah puritanical rule following is just like boring.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And like boom these women are trying to make your, the show interesting and also trying to get the time that they don't have. And it's like, it's even a better case for them to get the time that they need because there's fewer episodes. This is a shortened timeline that they're working with.
Steve: Yep, exactly.
Sammi: So why wouldn't they?
Steve: Well, Now, the other thing I'm very interested in is the the whole Latia of it all.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: So she reveals to Grant in America that she's like, oh, I'm Mormon and I've I've i ah we we knew this.
Sammi: Well, she, we knew this already.
Steve: But like she this is where she like gets into it.
Sammi: is This is the first time Grant found out. Yeah, maybe.
Steve: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sammi: I guess so.
Steve: So she's like, yeah, BT dubs. Here's my religion.
Sammi: BT dubs.
Steve: My faith is very important to me. Okay. And then, you know, like she's never dated someone outside of that faith and her, and her family and her, you know, extended network has never like been around someone like Grant. It's like in my head, if I like Latia, I'm going, i there's a compatibility issue here. Like there's, there's something.
Steve: So the theory that's been floating around and I am inclined to believe is, Because again, even if you like Latia, how much do you, do you like her enough that like ah you're, you're going to go Mormon mode, bro.
Steve: Cause I don't think you're going to do it.
Sammi: Right. Right.
Steve: Is she, being Latia, is she a plant because of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, which Bachelor is the lead into now.
Steve: Bachelor, obviously, budget cuts. There's production issues behind the scenes, different producers getting pushed out.
Sammi: Tia is a plant, huh?
Steve: There's trouble in paradise now. And we have this Mormon contestant. Are they, they being ABC, propping her up? Is she going to be someone on, like, say, season three, The Secret Lies of Mormon was, oh, here's our single friend, Letia. We got to find her a boy who's not a piece of shit like all of her husbands.
Steve: Possibilities are endless here, but this is this is a theory that is floating around because if The Bachelor is sort of like s sinking in the ratings, you have this other thing that is ascending.
Steve: How do you use that to create something that is mutually beneficial? So that is the theory. Latia seems lovely, though. ah She seems very fun and nice, but I'm just saying, just saying it's ah it's it's a theory that's out there.
Sammi: Yeah. Interesting. Hmm. Well, okay. So I found a picture of Latia with, um, Jesse and who else?
Sammi: and But she has a picture that says like secret lives of bachelor wives.
Steve: who
Sammi: Um, um,
Steve: I am also interested interested in Latia because she is 31 years old. And that's, and it's, it's interesting to me that she is a single woman in the Mormon church at 31 and her job is venture capitalist, which in my mind means my family is rich.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: So what is her deal?
Sammi: Well, so I mean, Mormons, yeah we've talked about this before, you know, like Mormons are interesting, right?
Steve: yeah
Sammi: They power a lot of business in the country, but a lot of it is exploitative, in my opinion, because they are MLMs.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, I would agree.
Sammi: um But there is, I mean, there is this like, I don't know. There's a lot of like prosperity ideology and things like that in Mormonism, not unlike, you know, i don't know, evangelical Christianity or some, you know, something like that.
Steve: hmm.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um
Steve: We're not going Tammy Faye Baker mode yet, but also shout out Tammy Faye.
Sammi: Well, listen, Tammy Faye, Tammy Faye was an ally. Okay. um We love Tammy. Oh, I love Tammy Faye.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um,
Steve: but gospel The gospel, the prosperity gospel turned Tammy Faye into a gay icon.
Sammi: Yeah, for real. I mean, come on. Like if you didn't watch her interview, um you know, with that person with HIV, you're not cool um because that was amazing. Anyway, so ah yeah. OK, someone said on Reddit, like, I'm trying to understand how a 31 year old is a venture capitalist. Isn't that someone that gives money to startups?
Sammi: No shade. I mean, like, I guess I could say I'm one because I've given I've invested money in startups like a thousand dollars.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Can I say I'm a venture capitalist?
Steve: I put, i put 30 bucks towards the Kickstarter last month.
Sammi: You know?
Sammi: Yeah, exactly.
Steve: So yeah.
Sammi: So I'm a venture capitalist. um Yeah, no shade. I'm just trying to figure out where the money comes from. And so either it's her family's firm or she's totally full of shit. Yeah, it says she works for a venture capital firm on their platform and community.
Steve: Yep.
Sammi: That kind of sounds like marketing then. I don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. Venture capital investor would probably be less confusing. Yeah. She probably works at a firm that manages money that comes from rich people and they invest that money in hopes of generating returns.
Steve: Also possible.
Sammi: Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've seen some theories that she'll be the next bachelorette.
Steve: Interesting.
Sammi: And that, it you know, and it will be.
Steve: The secret lives of Mormon bachelorette wives.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: Yeah. And that's the crossover.
Sammi: Yeah. so
Steve: That seems possible too. If you really want to go all in
Sammi: I think that that is possible. um i mean, that's the thing. It's like Mormon influencers are everywhere.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So it's not shocking that there's one on The Bachelor, especially a show like The Bachelor. Like that doesn't surprise me at all.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: But what I do think is weird is like, you know, i don't know. Mormonism has a very deep seated history of racism. Right.
Steve: Oh, shit, Sammy. Your audio cut out. Can you hear me?
Sammi: Oh, I muted on accident.
Steve: Yeah, that's okay.
Sammi: Sorry about that. What did you hear me say?
Steve: You said you were like, Mormons have a history of racism and then just silence.
Sammi: and then I cut out.
Steve: I'm like, like, tell me more.
Sammi: They do.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: oh yeah. Well, no, I was saying you can watch the Book of Mormon and find that out. I mean, that's even in the book of the musical, the Book of Mormon.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So I thought it was really interesting. I'm just like, I'm like, you know, I don't know. i have a lot of ah issues with ah Mormonism, well, and other, you know, organized religions in general.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sammi: But but they definitely have a very iffy past with racism.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: So, and just like not, you know, and so when she's like, oh, well, yeah, of course you'll be accepted. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know about that. Um, And there's just a lot of like judgment in in the church in general.
Sammi: I mean, so that's why a lot of the like Mormon type shows we see are, ah you know, women in particular, because they're not given very much agency in the church, ah grappling with their faith and trying to decide how they will ah gently remove themselves without like alienating themselves from like everybody in their community.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
Sammi: Right. Which is like a really tough thing to do. um So it's just interesting. So it's not something what I'm saying is it's like not something that you would enter into lightly. There's like certain things where like if you're you're going to marry someone and they're like a different faith than you, that that's common. You know, that happens. And and people would be like, OK, yeah, like I'll.
Sammi: you know, I'll come to these services or I'll, you know, whatever.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: um But sometimes, but a lot of the times, like there's more similarities than differences, but like Mormonism is very intense. You know, if you, if you're, it's kind of one of those things where, you know, it's like, I think the tides are turning a little bit and that's something where they talk about in the secret lives of Mormon wives, but I don't,
Steve: yeah
Sammi: I don't know. I don't know how, i don't know the ins and outs of all that, but it's like, you know, it's like, i think in general, um the elders or what have you would probably say, well, like you're either in or you're out and, you know, and there's a lot of people kind of dancing the line and trying to decide what they want to do, but it's not this like easy breezy, super simple thing to do.
Steve: Sure.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: I mean, there's a lot of, buildings that you can't go in unless you're LDS, right?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like it's, it's not like an all are welcome.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Come on in, see what we're about.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
Sammi: We've got bars and coffee in the basement. You know, it's not one of those types of of churches or religions.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So um yeah, so it's very interesting to hear her talk about it. Kind of like, yeah, like no problem. like This will be no issue at all.
Steve: Right?
Sammi: And I'm like, I think you're minimizing um the amount of of of change that would require in a person's life um to to be accepted into a church like that.
Steve: who
Sammi: And not saying that ah you know and Grant kind of made it sound, you know he's like, I don't really know a lot about about Mormonism. you know And I'm like, yeah, that's pretty obvious.
Steve: who
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Right. Yeah.
Sammi: that you don't, because he's like, but I think it would probably be fine. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Grant. um And maybe he's up for all that. Who knows? Who knows? But it is it is quite a bit to contend with.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: um So so that was that was interesting. That was an interesting conversation for sure with Latia. um ah I just wrote, I don't know why I put this in my...
Sammi: In my notes, I said, Latia is like, I'm LDS. And he's like, God is chill. It's not like Mormons are racist, right?
Steve: yeah
Sammi: Anyway, ah and then they get like a slow dance and whatever. um I do want to mention, though, on the group date and some of like the people who, you know, took went aside to go back in time a little bit.
Sammi: um So all the women are kind of like trying you know, make their last case for, you know, getting into these hometown days. um Serafina is like, listen, if you come home, like you're the first guy that my parents have seen in six years.
Sammi: No pressure, though.
Steve: Yeah, NBD.
Sammi: ah Yeah, I was like, oh, OK.
Steve: and Fine.
Sammi: And then, you know, Alex, ah like does a little bit of opening up and, you know, is kind of like, hey, do you remember I exist? Just making sure. And he's like, I kind of remember you exist. And, ah you know, but the whole thing that's really interesting about this whole part is like, what what would you say that their favorite ah term is this whole episode? Like what if you could if you could sum it up in like a phrase,
Sammi: What would you use?
Steve: o
Sammi: There's something that they said over and over again.
Steve: I don't know.
Sammi: I picked up on it.
Steve: I'm interested in what this is. I must not have caught it. What is it?
Sammi: Damsel in distress.
Steve: Oh, yeah. You're being such a damsel in distress.
Sammi: they
Steve: It's like, yeah, and I was thinking about that.
Sammi: They said that like 10 times. No, no.
Steve: I'm like, i don't i don't think that means what you think it means at all.
Sammi: no
Steve: It's just because you're you're a woman who's, like, upset or emotional.
Sammi: no
Sammi: Upset? Yeah, they're just like, how dare you feel insecure about this whole process? You're just a damsel in distress.
Steve: um Just to do it. Yeah, that's it.
Sammi: And I'm like, you know what? You're not a girl's girl.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: So there you go.
Steve: Thanks.
Sammi: ah Anyway. Yeah. So i thought that was really interesting. um and Other parts of Latia's date just to go and um we're just jumping all around. um What? Wait, I forgot how the the term was pronounced.
Sammi: Drake or a direct day. You know what talking about? Where she was like, it's a hold on.
Steve: No.
Sammi: Scottish. She was saying that there's like a word for like a, like a dreary day.
Steve: Huh. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: It's like a bleak day in Scotland. I thought it was really interesting. I don't remember. It's pronounced Drake or Dreck. um D R E I C H.
Steve: huh
Sammi: um But it's like, it's a word that they use in Scotland for like dark, dreary, bleak day. Yeah.
Steve: I like Drek. Drek is just a good word in general because it sounds like what it means.
Sammi: Where she,
Steve: It's just like Drek.
Sammi: Here, hold on.
Sammi: He's talking. Oh.
Sammi: It's like, I don't even know. It's like, hurry.
Steve: It's just the sound ah of your throat being cleared.
Sammi: ah Something like that. Sorry, Scottish people.
Steve: That's it. It's fine.
Sammi: ah But yeah, it's supposed to mean like a dark, gloomy day in Scotland.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And and I thought that was cool that Latia learned that. And she was like, that's what they were calling this day. Um, but she did not pronounce it the same way. I just heard it in my ears. So I'm not sure. But anyway, um, yeah, so there was like this at the end the day, then there's like this singing about being ready to love again and they're slow dancing and it's very beautiful and whatever.
Sammi: um and then Carolina, uh, apologizes, uh, before the rose ceremony to Dina. And she's like, listen, I want to make it right. I messed up. Um, and I thought that that was like a nice moment. She was like,
Sammi: i I don't know. I feel like Caroline is genuine. I don't get why people hate her so much. um Stop hating.
Steve: Stop hating.
Sammi: She's going awesome on Paradise.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Leave her alone. She's going to get a good redemption on Paradise if she goes. like She would be one of the best redemption stories for sure.
Steve: Oh, totally.
Sammi: um Because first of all, she's already redeemed in my heart. um And then we'll get to see her be even cooler. um
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But yeah, this is interesting. So, um oh, also, right before the rose ceremony, the one thing I'll say is that I don't feel like anyone has talked about wives as much as Grant has.
Steve: No.
Sammi: Right. I mean, you were like you were like harping on it last week.
Steve: He's very...
Sammi: I mean, and you were getting a little a little intense. um But i I realized this week more.
Steve: a
Sammi: I was like, yeah, I do feel like he's just using the word wife a lot. And also it's weird that he's doing that and he's getting the shortened timeline.
Steve: throwing it around a lot
Sammi: So it just feels like so abrupt. And I'm like, I literally don't know anything about these women.
Steve: yeah he's he's a different breed a wife guy he's the wife guy without a wife and multiple prospects but he's just like i need a wife i can see her as my wife that's my wife
Sammi: How do you know anything about these women?
Sammi: Yeah. I'm like, well, he is not afraid to say wife. That is for sure.
Steve: No, that is, he's, yeah.
Sammi: That's, you know, you know, yeah.
Steve: Ladies, he's not afraid of commitment, or he is, but he just likes that word. But he did drop that weird song on Spotify.
Sammi: You know, he's he's like,
Steve: Did you see that? Mm-hmm.
Sammi: No, but I was reading. I saw I saw a social media post from Carolina where it was like waking up to zero accusations that I went on the show for my music and dance career. And she's like sitting on the floor and like shaking.
Sammi: um She's so funny. Like she's so funny. You can't tell everyone's going to like Carolina in like a year or something. And they're going to be like, I always liked her. I never hated her. And then.
Sammi: Yeah, we'll be able to pull up those Reddit threads and show how much you hated her.
Steve: We know. That's right.
Sammi: And we were right and you were wrong. OK, but yeah, people are like, oh, actually, she's like pretty funny.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: I'm like, yeah, she's always been funny.
Steve: Mm-hmm.
Sammi: Where have you been?
Steve: Yeah. It's good.
Sammi: Like, duh.
Steve: It's good stuff.
Sammi: um Yeah. So so anyway, so people are starting to accuse Grant of of ah remember, like I said, i was like, I think he's one of the the most musically talented people who's been on the show.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um But I thought it was just casual.
Steve: No, I would be nice it was casual, but ah he may have natural musical talent, but ah you know, even though he took his song down off of Spotify, the internet is of course forever.
Steve: So you can find it and it's not that good. Not very good at all.
Sammi: It's so interesting. Okay, so here's some of the opinions. So wait, is this the one called Party Girls? That happened like a month ago.
Steve: Yeah. Party girls.
Sammi: Why? So this this got posted a month ago, but people are talking about it now, which is interesting.
Steve: Cause but so like there's,
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: So that like, I don't know, like people discovered that he had dropped this song or whatever, and it didn't get a lot of plays. And then he immediately like pulled it because i guess it was in like poor taste. And also it's called Party Girls, but he's the wife guy. It's nothing is tracking. It was it was just bad timing all around by Grant. And most of all, the song sucks. So.
Sammi: Yeah, it's so weird. Well, and someone said, I thought the song he riffed on the piano during an episode was so much better because I was like, yeah, that just feels very natural.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Like he's obviously like naturally good at this. So that's interesting that then the produce thing that he made people hate as someone who works in music, this rollout, if you can even call it, that is killing me.
Sammi: Someone said, what the fuck am I listening to? um Who's Lori Harvey? Apparently she's in there. They said, what did Lori Harvey do? Such a random name drop. Is he the new Jed?
Sammi: Oof. Oof. Yeah. Grant reminds me of that one dude from high school who says, where am I hug at?
Sammi: um Yeah, I thought he was going to be singing a lot in this season.
Steve: Oh.
Sammi: don't
Sammi: It's definitely a song.
Steve: ah
Sammi: so this Kind of annoyed this has already given me the ick. I mean, you didn't like Grant from the get-go, and this made a lot of people not like him. It's like he... Yeah.
Sammi: Wow. Yeah, I'll have to listen to it. I'll listen to it and report back. I didn't know that he released... ah But apparently... he Wait, did he release other music, too?
Sammi: Because i read...
Steve: I was only familiar with Party Girls.
Sammi: Well, because there's, well, it says Grant Ellis, musical artist, 301 monthly listeners. Oof. It's little sad. Is this a different guy?
Sammi: Oh, this is a different, there's a different guy named Grant Ellis, maybe? Who wrote a song called Soul Eater? That's a different guy, right? Yeah.
Steve: That's got to be different guy, yeah.
Sammi: um Milky Milk. Yeah, that's got to be a different guy. um Interesting. Interesting. ah Yeah, I'll let you know. I'll report back. Maybe I'll listen to it for a second.
Sammi: um But yeah, so so at the end, ah we get Latia, Juliana, Dina, and Zoe going to hometowns. um Are you surprised? How do you feel?
Steve: Um...
Steve: It's weird.
Sammi: Okay.
Steve: Juliana, kind of a dark horse. Like she's, I mean, she had a good one-on-one, obviously.
Sammi: they're like so Their physical chemistry is like ridiculous. So I think he's just like, let's get to the fantasy suites.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah. I think he's riding that wave.
Sammi: I think, yeah.
Steve: Totally. Totally.
Sammi: And he's like, but we also do have an emotional connection, okay? And I gave her the shopping date, so.
Steve: Yeah. Because wedding, yeah. And marriage and wife.
Sammi: Mm-hmm.
Steve: ah Dina makes no sense to me. And that's not even a, like, I dislike Dina. I just think that she's not.
Sammi: Dina makes perfect sense to me because I think that's where Grant thinks he is. I think he's on Dina.
Steve: Uh-huh. Oh, because, like, she's she's a successful bulldozer, and and he and and he thinks that that's what he is.
Sammi: I think he thinks he's on Dina's level.
Sammi: I think he's like, that's where I am. I, me and Dina, we're like, we're like this.
Steve: We're we're the same.
Sammi: And Dina, don't, don't think that.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: No.
Sammi: You are just saying.
Steve: You know what? you're You're totally right. that's That's it.
Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: It's like his perspective versus reality is totally off.
Sammi: Yeah, I think he's like, yeah, Dina and I are on the exact same level.
Steve: But okay. Dina makes more sense that way.
Sammi: And Dina's like, not so sure.
Steve: Yeah. Latia, Plant, Zoe, clear winner. Like that's that's it.
Sammi: I love that you're just like Zoe is the clear winner.
Steve: That's it.
Sammi: I don't really see as much chemistry between him and Zoe as I do with him.
Steve: I think they have none. i We're not getting anything from them. That's why it's like.
Sammi: I would say out of the four, I think Juliana is like the only one who makes sense to me in my brain at this point in terms of who he's connected with. Because I thought he had more of a connection with Carolina and Alex.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And they're both gone.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And Serafina, I didn't... I mean, they had a nice moment, but I didn't really see a lot of chemistry between them. But I was surprised because I thought he and Alex seemed to have a really nice like dynamic together.
Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sammi: And Carolina, obviously, it's a little tumultuous, but it's like those... tend to end up in like the final two or three. So I thought she would make it there. And they obviously connected enough.
Sammi: So, and Latia, I feel like, yeah, I don't see a lot of people like saying no to Latia. She has like a really, she's, she's got a very lovely personality. She's like very like radiant.
Sammi: You know what I mean?
Steve: Oh, totally.
Sammi: She just kind of she, she does like radiate this very beautiful character. energy about her. um And so yeah i wasn't surprised about Latia. I wasn't surprised about, I mean, I was a little surprised about Zoe just because I haven't really seen a lot there.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um i was not surprised with Juliana. I'm a little surprised. Yeah, Dina makes sense to me. But if I was like actually thinking about who made sense with Grant, I wouldn't put them together.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But the way I think his brain works He's like, she's, yeah, she's she's on that success train and I'm there too. And I'm pulling into the station with my song, Party Girl.
Steve: Party girl, yeah, exactly.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: That's what I'm looking for.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: i'm i'm I'm just a day trader looking for a party girl.
Sammi: Is that one of the lines?
Steve: No, that's that's if I was writing the lyrics.
Sammi: Oh, okay.
Steve: that That would be...
Sammi: Wait, it's on YouTube. Hold on. I'll link this. Already there's a lot of strings. It opens with like a lot of strings.
Sammi: I'm actually like surprised.
Steve: He's the Jason Derulo of Bachelor Nation.
Sammi: Okay.
Steve: That's what I feel.
Sammi: Well, and it's like, it's also got like that crackly,
Sammi: you know, quality to it.
Sammi: Oof.
Steve: and It's not the worst song written in Bachelor history, but, ah you know.
Sammi: No.
Steve: What?
Sammi: No. Nothing can be as bad as Cream Dreams.
Steve: well
Sammi: It's not like the worst thing ever. No, it's not the worst thing ever.
Steve: No, it's not good.
Sammi: um But it's it's not it's not what I was expecting, I guess. I don't know.
Steve: No, it's one of those things where it's just like, if he wasn't on The Bachelor, there would be no like conceivable scenario where you would listen to this.
Sammi: Yeah, I mean, it's not good as gold or anything like that.
Steve: Or anyone. No, no, exactly. Sheena Shea.
Sammi: Sheena, someday you'll have a music career. No, you won't.
Steve: shena shey I don't
Sammi: But yeah, it's well i'll I'll put it in i'll put in the description. You can listen listen for yourself. um It
Sammi: it just runs counter to his whole wife guy image, I think. I don't know. it's just it's just kind of It's just kind of reading as...
Steve: i don't know.
Sammi: I mean, maybe maybe he could yeah maybe he could play at like some high school dances or something like that.
Steve: Cringy to me. Yeah.
Sammi: you know
Steve: No, kids would hate it. Are you kidding me?
Sammi: It's giving bar mitzvah.
Steve: They'd be like, who's scar part like, wait, this guy's on that boomer show.
Sammi: it's it's it it like You know what i mean?
Steve: And.
Sammi: It's like, oh, well, we got this guy who, yeah, he was on TV and you know he's going to play at my Sweet 16 party, but we don't have the budget for, you know, and so we're bringing him on.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yes.
Steve: Just like the bachelor doesn't have the budget. That's.
Sammi: Right. Like, that's kind of what I'm getting from it.
Steve: here
Sammi: It's not bad.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: It's not it's not like, yeah, it's I would say Jed's music is worse.
Steve: No, Jed's music is much worse.
Sammi: um
Steve: and But so is Jed.
Sammi: Like and yeah, and Ben's music is terrible.
Steve: Mm
Sammi: So like, this is not the worst song ever or anything like that.
Steve: hmm. No.
Sammi: But it's. Yeah, it's just kind of like it's just tacky. I think if he had released it before the show, um well before the show, i would feel differently. And maybe if it came out a year or two after the show, i would feel differently, too.
Sammi: But that it's coming out at the same time as the show that it came out like a month ago.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: That's odd to me. Like, you got to be careful about the timing of your promo stuff.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: You know, you got to wait a number of years before you launch something like a Jillybox.
Steve: This
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: who who
Sammi: And by the way, it's delayed. I've emailed Jilly. ah We'll see what they happens. But it's like it's stuck in like Vancouver or something.
Steve: is in customs with the live spiders that are inside the box.
Sammi: yeah Well, it got released from customs, but it's still there. And they're like, it's delayed. And I was like, what does that mean? So I emailed Jilly and I was like, Jilly, I'm trying to review your box.
Steve: Yeah, that's weird. and
Sammi: but it has not arrived to me. and here is the information from the Canada post and please advise. Thank you. So I do not have a Jilly box to share with you yet, but we got to go anyway, because um I got to go do very legal things and someone else less.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So
Steve: Yeah. I wouldn't call it like the most illegal thing. Like it's like light smuggling. Like
Sammi: you're admitting it. I'm not, I kept it vague.
Steve: I, I have admitted nothing.
Sammi: Just saying.
Steve: I light smuggle. Like i mean, a lot to a lot of different people.
Sammi: um But anyway, sorry this was so late. ah Blame both of us. It was both of our faults.
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: um ah But we will be back next week with a recap of the hometowns, probably earlier in the week. And until then, stay classy. I don't know. I don't have anything to say today.
Steve: We would walk 500 miles for our listeners. So don't.
Sammi: We would. And 500 more. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. So don't do needle drugs.
Steve: Can't walk if you're doing that.
Sammi: No.
Steve: Nope. Doesn't work. You got lethargic.
Sammi: You get lethargic as one of our favorites says. left It's 3 p.m. I just had lunch.
Steve: Send me the Google slides.
Sammi: I am lethargic.
Steve: I just had lunch. Good God.
Sammi: Okay.
