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Rose Plate Special: Bachelor in Paradise 2025, Episodes 5-6
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What will happen now that the tables have turned and the couples are playing for love or money? We sure hope something juicy, because that's why we're here! This episode, we cover Jonathon in the perpetual friendzone with everyone, Jeremy getting a bad edit (or maybe just making really bad choices), and Brian just being the worst. Some random things we bring up in the episode:
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Transcript
Introduction and Setting the Scene
00:00:17
Sammi
Hello, I'm Sammy, and you're listening to or watching Rose Plate Special in Paradise, the most dramatic
00:00:18
Steve
ah Hello! And I'm Steve.
00:00:32
Sammi
um bird but ah mating calling-ist um horse-girling-est, um backstabbing-est recap podcast of The Bachelor ever.
00:00:47
Steve
Ever.
00:00:48
Sammi
i didn't really have a lot. I'm sorry. I froze. I panicked. um But we're back. we're We are so back.
00:00:56
Steve
We're so
Personal Updates and Gen Con Adventures
00:00:57
Steve
back.
00:00:57
Sammi
And then and our schedule is going to get jacked up again, probably. But we are back for now. And um I'm so excited. So, yeah. So we we were off doing very nerdy things in the interim.
00:01:09
Steve
Yeah.
00:01:10
Sammi
I was in a nerd cabaret.
00:01:10
Steve
I don't know. I think everything i did was cool. Everything I did was really cool.
00:01:13
Sammi
oh okay.
00:01:13
Steve
Your stuff was pretty nerdy.
00:01:14
Sammi
Sorry.
00:01:14
Steve
that's...
00:01:14
Sammi
Yeah, that's right. I was in a nerd cabaret. You just went to the very cool Gen Con.
00:01:19
Steve
Yeah, which, yeah, it's a board game convention. It's really cool. Everyone there is basically the Fonz. Like, what are you what are you talking about?
00:01:27
Sammi
Yeah, everyone there definitely owns motorcycles.
00:01:31
Steve
Yeah, yeah, they all have leather jackets on.
00:01:31
Sammi
Um,
00:01:33
Steve
They cigarette dangling their mouth. They're just, like, snapping their fingers, but in, like, kind of an aggressive way.
00:01:36
Sammi
Yeah. Yes.
00:01:39
Steve
yeah
00:01:39
Sammi
Yes, that's exactly what it's like. um So, yeah. And it's so funny that we were doing two nerdy things and I was like, well, I'm going to be in town doing this nerdy thing. And then you're like, going to be out of town doing a nerdy thing.
00:01:51
Sammi
But I'm guessing you had a really good time.
00:01:52
Steve
yeah i had a wonderful time i didn't sleep at all but always a good time lot of just staying up way too late playing a lot of board games doing convention stuff it's good also it's huge nerd huge nerd i i did i did control my drinking this year you'll be happy to know
00:01:58
Sammi
That's good.
00:02:05
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. What a nerd.
00:02:14
Sammi
Oh, good.
00:02:14
Steve
ah only got plastered on the first night, but in my defense, we went to a bar and it had a giant like seven foot, eight foot tall gumball machine.
00:02:26
Sammi
Uh-huh.
00:02:26
Steve
You you turn the dial and then it costs like $10 for a ah dial turn. You turn the dial. And then you get a little ball and you open it up and then whatever it says on the inside is what you get.
00:02:40
Steve
And it's like sometimes lots of things you don't want to drink.
00:02:41
Sammi
Oh.
00:02:43
Steve
And other times it's like really good stuff that you probably normally.
00:02:46
Sammi
That's
00:02:48
Steve
it's kind of a, you know, bit of a gamble.
00:02:51
Sammi
<unk>s fun.
00:02:51
Steve
And I, I did what any smart gambler does, which I kept getting bad stuff. So I kept going in hopes that I would get good stuff, but it was just a lot of, a lot of bad stuff.
00:03:02
Steve
I, yeah.
00:03:03
Sammi
Interesting. I don't know why it made me think of two things. One was ah where I used to work back in the day, we had dollar beer and it was like in paper bags.
00:03:14
Sammi
And most I don't think any of them were really that good.
00:03:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:03:17
Sammi
Like the best you could get would be like Schlitz or Blatt's or PBR or something like that. Like it was or hams or you know what i mean?
00:03:23
Steve
Blatz.
00:03:24
Sammi
Like
00:03:25
Steve
I like Blatz as a beer because you just hear the name and you know you're in for a bad time.
00:03:30
Sammi
You're like, oh, got it. But like those were like the best or like um maybe we know, I don't think we really had high life.
00:03:32
Steve
Yeah.
00:03:37
Sammi
It was all cans. Well, I mean, you can get it in cans, but I don't think we maybe once in a great while.
00:03:39
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:03:43
Sammi
um But those were like some of the five dollar liters we would also sell. But like, you know, most of the time you'd get like Mickey's or, you know, something like or like something really malty, you know what i mean?
00:03:53
Steve
Hell yeah, Mickey's.
00:03:55
Sammi
And so, yeah, it's just interesting. And I'm like, that's not the kind of gamble I want to make. But then again, I'm the type of person who would be like, I'll pick a tattoo out of a vending machine. So like, you should not listen to me.
00:04:06
Sammi
That's what I'm saying.
00:04:06
Steve
Yeah, yeah. No, I kind of get the allure of game. Not that I've done that much of it, but ah yeah, for this thing. And and really, it's like, what's what's the benefit of even, i mean, there's like a ah one in a hundred chance that I get something really good.
00:04:19
Steve
I think the worst moment for me was two times in a row, I pulled two shots of Jaeger. So I had four shots of Jaeger sitting in front of me. So what was last time you did a Jaegermeister shot?
00:04:29
Sammi
ah
00:04:31
Steve
For me, it was when I was probably like 23. twenty three so that was great.
00:04:35
Sammi
Yeah, I definitely haven't done that in a very long time.
00:04:39
Steve
No, it just tastes like the devil's toothpaste.
00:04:39
Sammi
But I can, as soon as you said it, I'm like, I can taste it.
00:04:43
Steve
You taste it. Yeah. No, there's there's something about that. like ah there's just There's a smell when you combine a musty basement in a college town with Bud Light, Jack Daniels, and Jägermeister.
00:04:56
Steve
And it makes this sticky scent that
Bachelor in Paradise Recap and Analysis
00:05:00
Steve
I can taste and smell to this day.
00:05:00
Sammi
Yeah. I can feel it.
00:05:02
Steve
So you can feel it. It's on your skin. You need a shower.
00:05:05
Sammi
Yeah, I can feel it. You can't get rid of it. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah, I didn't do anything exciting like that. I did. um There's a meme that I wasn't aware of, um but it's like this girl. It was like from 2009. If I can find it, I'll send a link. But Um, like I'll put it in the show notes, but it's like a girl and she's, there's a leak spinning on the screen and she's singing like a Finnish song and half of it is in Finnish gibberish. You know what I'm talking about?
00:05:32
Steve
I have no idea.
00:05:32
Sammi
You might, you might know the song.
00:05:33
Steve
You made that up.
00:05:35
Sammi
Maybe, maybe I am making it up. me see if I can find it. It's like leak spinning girl. I don't know. Yeah. Anime girl swinging a leak while singing. This is it.
00:05:45
Sammi
OK. Loy to my girl leak spin. It's a flash animation set to a scat singing section of the Finnish song Lev on Polka.
00:05:51
Steve
Oh.
00:05:53
Sammi
um And yeah, so basically so one of my friends, they ended up I will I will put this on ah the show notes for sure. Um, so because you came for a bachelor in paradise, you say for the leak spinning.
00:06:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:07
Sammi
So basically my friend did this thing where they learned the whole song in finish and, um, they tried to put a leak on a drill to get it to spin while they were singing.
00:06:13
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:06:20
Sammi
But the problem was it was like boring a hole in the leak. I mean, if, I mean, there's other ways I would have approached this, but we were, We were in the 11th hour. We didn't have time. Okay. So they said, do you want to come up and spin the leak for me?
00:06:34
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:06:34
Sammi
So there is footage of me spinning a leak out there. um But I also, yeah, I also sang the element song and I sang ah Black Sheep ah by Metric in honor of Scott Pilgrim.
00:06:39
Steve
In case anyone's looking.
00:06:48
Sammi
but And i what else did I do? Oh, I did a Bob's Burger song.
00:06:54
Steve
Well, there you go.
00:06:54
Sammi
um One of my friends said, do you want to be Linda? And I said, I can be
00:06:58
Steve
who
00:06:59
Sammi
That's no problem.
00:06:59
Steve
Big Linda energy.
00:07:00
Sammi
that's That's absolutely no problem. That's such a high compliment to be told you Linda energy. I strive to have Linda energy every day. So yeah, it's so funny. I was like, what a miss for the nerd cabaret to do nerd things on the same weekend as Gen Con.
00:07:17
Sammi
But we still had a sold out show.
00:07:19
Steve
Hey, that's good.
00:07:19
Sammi
People were really excited about it. And I got to go to my friend's pre-K, their kid's pre-K graduation.
00:07:27
Steve
Ooh.
00:07:27
Sammi
my God. And they wore caps and gowns and everything. So cute.
00:07:32
Steve
Diplomas. so
00:07:32
Sammi
I couldn't believe it. They went over the bridge, you know. Oh my God. I freaked out. and i was like, this is the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life. So um I was watching, I was catching up on bachelor in paradise at my parents' house ah where my parents weren't.
00:07:47
Sammi
I was basically just house sitting and cause they were at a a concert, a week weekend long concert. So i was like, everybody's everywhere that I'm here and no one's here except for a couple of people.
00:07:59
Sammi
Um, so Apollo and i went to my parents' house and we watched Bachelor in Paradise. And then the second episode, um, so week six, episode six, whatever.
00:08:10
Sammi
um I watched that in my new cardio cinema setup and it's so great. Oh my God. Did you ever go, you would, did you ever go to gold gym?
00:08:20
Steve
No.
00:08:20
Sammi
downtown? No.
00:08:21
Steve
Did I ever go to the gym?
00:08:22
Sammi
who I asked. Listen, i knew the answer was no, but I figured I'd ask anyway.
00:08:27
Steve
I've walked by it many times.
00:08:27
Sammi
do you know what i mean?
00:08:28
Steve
i know the location.
00:08:30
Sammi
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:30
Sammi
Well, that was like my gym. That was my gym for a couple years because I was right there. So it was like really easy to get to.
00:08:36
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:36
Sammi
And my I've been chasing this high ever since. They have this cardio cinema where they'll play like they usually play a movie or maybe two movies a day and they have this schedule on the calendar.
00:08:46
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:08:47
Sammi
So it'll be like today we're playing Clueless.
00:08:48
Steve
oh
00:08:51
Sammi
So and they'll tell you about the time it's going to start and end. So you can if you want to watch the whole thing, you can try to like plan to get there at a certain time. But usually it was like a movie I had seen a bunch. So I was just happy to catch it whenever they played a lot of like crowd pleasers, you know.
00:09:06
Sammi
So, yeah, I get there, I jump on the treadmill and it's like I'm watching Clueless and all of a sudden I went four miles and everything's dark.
00:09:13
Steve
but
00:09:14
Sammi
Like you can see just enough to like get to your machine. You can't really see beyond that. So there's a ton of machines in there and you can't really see anybody.
00:09:19
Steve
yeah
00:09:22
Steve
Are people like sprinting? Or like, what is the choice?
00:09:24
Sammi
No, I mean, well, a couple of people ran like some people would jog and stuff like that. But ah by and large, I would say people were like walking. There was like, um you know, like stair climbers and ellipticals and rowing machines and bikes and
00:09:37
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:39
Sammi
and treadmills in there. I think that was it. And so, yeah, you could just, you just picked your machine of choice and got on it and you couldn't even really see the people next to you.
00:09:50
Sammi
You were just like so engrossed by the movie. And I was like, that's so cool. And then I found out, first of all, there's not a lot of gold gyms. No other gyms do cardio cinemas that I know of, unless it's like a boutique gym. I don't know.
00:10:01
Steve
yeah Oh, very special Milwaukee.
00:10:01
Sammi
And most gold gyms don't even have cardio cinemas. So I was like, I need to make one. So we rigged up a projector in the basement in this room that is basically a movie room.
00:10:15
Sammi
And when I turn all the lights off, I've got all my cardio equipment in there. and It's my new cardio cinema.
00:10:20
Steve
yeah There you go.
00:10:21
Sammi
And it's a great place to watch Bachelor in Paradise, I just have to say. And now that we're 10 minutes in, yeah, let's talk about the actual episode.
00:10:25
Steve
Get your steps in.
00:10:31
Sammi
um But yeah, so we're going to cover episodes five and six. We got to do Mormon Wives soon, too.
00:10:35
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:36
Sammi
We got to catch up on that.
00:10:37
Steve
Oh, we do. We do.
00:10:38
Sammi
um A lot of I haven't seen I've been trying to avoid a lot of the chatter online. um But yeah, people seem pretty unhappy with this season in general.
00:10:50
Sammi
I mean, not just with the production value, like, With everything. Like the editing feels weird. The. The stories feel weird. The couples feel weird. Like everything.
00:11:03
Sammi
and The other thing that I've heard is they feel more rushed this season.
00:11:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:08
Sammi
I've heard that from people who have been on the show.
00:11:08
Steve
Yep.
00:11:10
Sammi
They said that um they didn't get as much time as normal. I think that's the other thing. When you're giving them, even if they had the same number of days, when you're giving them their own rooms and spaces, like, yeah, it's nice. You're not going to be all like hot and sweaty and gross and whatever.
00:11:27
Sammi
But that also means you're not forcing them into a situation to like interact and get to know each other better.
00:11:33
Steve
ye
00:11:34
Sammi
So I feel like the bonding, even just like between, you know, just cast members or whatever you want to call them, isn't as obvious as it's been in past seasons.
00:11:46
Sammi
Like, it yeah, I don't know.
00:11:46
Steve
Yeah. It's also, as I understand it, everything's kind of locked in now, right?
00:11:48
Sammi
The chemistry is not as Yeah.
00:11:55
Steve
So we're not going to have like surprised people parachuting in to ruin relationships. It's just like, you got who you got, unless you don't want them anymore. I guess you could swap within couples.
00:12:04
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:06
Steve
ah So, I mean, I could see it theoretically working. because it's like, okay, well, you're locked into this thing and then we're going to just like contain the messiness.
00:12:17
Steve
And then you have the competitive part. So then it becomes like, do you just compete for the money or are you really competing for love? Like that's the idea behind the tension.
00:12:27
Steve
But so far in execution, I don't think they've really been hitting it. ah and And then the other problem is, is I just like most of these couples,
00:12:31
Sammi
yeah
00:12:38
Steve
are not interesting to me. you know a few of these people are just kind of like locked in or whatever, but there's no there's no real chaos here.
00:12:40
Sammi
who
00:12:45
Steve
like what What are the most chaotic elements? I would say Jonathan continuously hanging by a thread, just just coasting through, God bless him.
00:12:53
Sammi
I don't know how he's yeah
00:12:55
Steve
and then And then Brian is an asshole and Dale's an idiot. But these are things we knew coming in.
00:13:01
Sammi
yeah
00:13:02
Steve
like come on, like how has, at least with, with someone like Dale is you get these different sides of daily, you go, baby, baby's not so. And then, and then you say, oh no, he's, he's exactly who I thought he was.
00:13:14
Steve
Brian go back to his first moment when he was on the bachelorette and he had that weird, like,
00:13:14
Sammi
ah hu
00:13:21
Steve
bully moment thing with Jeremy in the car.
00:13:23
Sammi
With Jeremy. Yeah.
00:13:25
Steve
And it's like, you suck. You've always sucked and you look like you suck. You have one of those suck faces that I hate. And then you just, every single week you continue to suck in different ways.
00:13:39
Steve
um Especially in the last episode, I'm sure we'll talk about it, but just, The conversations that he's had with Parisa, it hurts my brain.
00:13:50
Steve
I don't like it.
00:13:52
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. You have one of those suck faces that sucks is a really good insult. I'm going to use that in the future.
00:13:58
Steve
ah
00:13:59
Sammi
You know what? You have a really. yeah your Your face sucks. You have a suck face that sucks.
00:14:04
Steve
Suck face. Yep.
00:14:05
Sammi
Yeah. um Yeah. So anyway. Yeah. It's interesting. Right. So like we're covering week five, week six. Week five is day nine.
00:14:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:15
Sammi
It's only day nine.
00:14:17
Steve
yeah
00:14:17
Sammi
I mean, that doesn't seem very long, right? And then I think by week six, what were we at? date Day 10 or 11? Something like that. Like, it wasn't that many.
00:14:26
Steve
ye
00:14:27
Sammi
It was maybe like a couple days or something like that. It wasn't that many. And um wait, yeah, because that did end in a row ceremony. Okay, I'm just trying to remember. Anyway. So, yeah, there's just like we had like a round where they did pick and then there was like another round, I think. And then they're like, OK, that's it now. And who knows? Maybe they'll still throw in like a surprise person or something like that.
00:14:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:53
Sammi
Oh, the other thing we have to talk about is Perfect Match. I haven't watched it yet. I got to watch it. Have you heard? Oh, my God. Okay. So perfect match on on Netflix. um Rachel's on there.
00:15:06
Sammi
And so is Clayton. And God, who else? ah I was like, wait, what? This is like batch yeah Bachelor Nation Extended Universe.
00:15:13
Steve
Is this another dating show?
00:15:17
Sammi
um
00:15:17
Steve
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
00:15:18
Sammi
Perfect match. because And then apparently Susie is being talked about. on that show too so like Susie did a really funny TikTok where um you know like she said something like sometimes it's not all about you but like sometimes it is and it was like Rachel or no I don't know if it was Rachel and Clayton talking but it was Clayton talking to somebody and and it was he was talking about Susie you know she's like
00:15:48
Steve
Oh
00:15:49
Sammi
It's like, God, am I the drama on two episodes? Two men who can't get over me? Oh, my God.
00:15:53
Steve
my god.
00:15:53
Sammi
I thought i was so funny.
00:15:54
Steve
That's amazing.
00:15:56
Sammi
um Yeah. Good for her. Seriously. Good for her. um Wait. OK, I'm trying to find the cast list. But yeah, because I just I like I said, I'm watching this stuff kind of in passing.
00:16:08
Sammi
But I oh, here go. List of perfect match contestants. But Rachel, she just popped up because she was on, I mean, ethnic file, but she was on the Vile Files. Yeah.
00:16:17
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:16:18
Sammi
But I really she's yeah she's so funny. I mean, I'll always like her. OK, let's see, because here's the deal. So they have people from Love is Blind, The Mole, um too Hot to Handle, Love Island, USA, Temptation Island, Love is Blind UK, The Circle, um The Ultimatum and Siesta Key.
00:16:28
Steve
m
00:16:44
Sammi
think
Character Dynamics and Contestant Strategies
00:16:45
Sammi
that's it. So yeah, like all these different shows, all these different, um yeah, all these different like franchises and seasons. But yeah, Rachel is on there and Clayton is on there.
00:16:59
Steve
Interesting. interesting
00:16:59
Sammi
So I'm like, ooh, I kind of want to watch this just to see what they're doing there, even though I don't know most of these people. um Might be kind of interesting. So just putting that out there that...
00:17:11
Sammi
that and yeah If we want to maybe briefly cover it, might be good to watch a couple episodes just to get a feel for what they're doing over there.
00:17:18
Steve
Interesting. Yeah, I feel like we have to because, you know.
00:17:20
Sammi
Yep.
00:17:22
Sammi
There's not a lot going on here, so we've got to talk about something else.
00:17:23
Steve
No, extended universe.
00:17:25
Sammi
So i will I will plan on watching Perfect Match so we can talk about that too. um But yeah, so like we so we start day nine with Faith coming in.
00:17:37
Sammi
And then why did I write Faith being like, she's going to be the hoe of the show? Did she say something like that?
00:17:45
Steve
I don't recall that. I think you're just calling a woman a hoe. That seems to be the case, Jamie.
00:17:48
Sammi
No, I think she said something like, I'm here to like, no, I'm, there's no shame in that at all.
00:17:50
Steve
Why are you ho-shaming dating contestants on The Bachelor? Yeah.
00:17:56
Sammi
You should know that about me. But um no, but she, but she, but she,
00:18:01
Steve
I'm just trying to make you look bad. I can't believe Sammy said that! The comments going to be great. Mm-hmm.
00:18:09
Sammi
ah like Listen, it's pot kettle situation here, so don't even worry about it, everybody. Please calm down. No, I think she said something like she was here to like have a good time and date a bunch of people and like make out with everybody or whatever.
00:18:20
Sammi
And then she was kind of...
00:18:20
Steve
Yeah, which is exactly what you should do.
00:18:22
Sammi
Right? isn't Didn't she say something like that? I swear.
00:18:24
Steve
Mm-hmm. No, she did.
00:18:24
Sammi
Please don't get mad at me. And then she said something like... And then she was like, but these men... I don't know about it. But then...
00:18:30
Steve
Yeah, which...
00:18:31
Sammi
She was like, you know what?
00:18:31
Steve
fair.
00:18:32
Sammi
Actually, Kim's pretty cool. So good for good for Kim, because I really am always rooting for him. i I think he's one of those men who like is so awkward but is very genuine.
00:18:43
Sammi
And so, yeah.
00:18:44
Steve
what Yeah, that's the thing. It's just like, lights are on, but nobody's home. But he's pure of heart and empty of mind.
00:18:50
Sammi
Yeah, he like I mean, he obviously, you know, like being a widower, you know, it's like he hasn't had to like, you know, have game for quite some time.
00:18:56
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:19:03
Sammi
And and it's I thought it was really sweet. um Who is it? Who is he talking to Nancy? i think. Right. Because Nancy lost her husband. Yeah. And he was talking about, you know, like grief and all of that and still, you know, having ah have a hard time getting over it.
00:19:18
Sammi
And I feel like that's when you saw a really good, very vulnerable side of Kim. And and it's like, oh, yeah, like you can see like, i don't know, it's like all the dedicated husband stuff really came through there.
00:19:33
Sammi
It was very sweet.
00:19:33
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:19:34
Sammi
It was a really sweet moment.
00:19:34
Steve
No, he's a solid dude. He's just a goober.
00:19:36
Sammi
Yeah.
00:19:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:36
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. He's like trying, you know, he's trying and I give him that.
00:19:40
Steve
and Definitely trying.
00:19:42
Sammi
Listen, I'm rooting for him ah very much. um But yeah. So, okay. So, and this was also like, we opened this episode to where Kat was talking to Dale.
00:19:53
Sammi
Like he said something like we came from different backgrounds or different upbringings or whatever. And that's like a really sore spot for her.
00:19:58
Steve
Oh, God, that thing.
00:20:00
Sammi
Yeah.
00:20:00
Steve
Yeah, because it doesn't mean anything.
00:20:01
Sammi
That was really, yeah. Yeah.
00:20:03
Steve
ah She's like, you're kind of being a dick and you didn't communicate this well. He's just like, well, we're from different backgrounds. What? What does that even mean? That means nothing.
00:20:10
Sammi
Yeah, it's...
00:20:11
Steve
It's just like a ah a thing you could slap on any conflict ah to to obfuscate the the obvious issue at hand.
00:20:15
Sammi
her
00:20:19
Steve
It's it's idiotic.
00:20:21
Sammi
I think the thing that's weirder, too, is she's like, I don't know if he knows that that's, like, really hurtful.
00:20:28
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:20:28
Sammi
um And if it is, he's extra fucked up. But I don't... I mean... I don't know. I feel like Dale is like weaponized incompetence incarnate. So I don't really know.
00:20:41
Steve
Weaponized in confidence. I like that. I like that.
00:20:43
Sammi
Well, yeah you know what I mean? Like he just like,
00:20:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:48
Sammi
I feel like he he says a lot of things without thinking. So I don't necessarily think he's doing it to be... I feel like a lot of the effects of the things he does can be perceived as malicious, but I don't think he's actively necessarily being malicious.
00:21:04
Sammi
I think it's just like his default mode is hurtful to Kat.
00:21:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:21:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:21:08
Sammi
Yeah.
00:21:09
Steve
Yep.
00:21:09
Sammi
That's how I interpret it, um you know, from what they've put together, because we get this flashback of her talking about having a really tough upbringing and background.
00:21:14
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:21:20
Sammi
And I think Dale came from a pretty like stable situation. And so it's I can't interpret it as a dig to, you know, having not a soft place to land growing up.
00:21:25
Steve
who
00:21:29
Steve
yeah
00:21:34
Sammi
Um, and so, you know, it's like, if he didn't know that, that's whatever, you know, but also it's just, yeah, it's just kind of a weird thing to say as a defense when someone has a problem with you.
00:21:45
Steve
It's very strange.
00:21:47
Sammi
It's like to bring it to that is just kind of very strange. Um, and Dale is just so flip floppy, like throughout the entire season, you know, it's like you're a priority to me until I see a new shiny object that I'm interested in.
00:22:01
Steve
And still there's yeah's another hot chick that walks by and then you're like, ooh.
00:22:05
Sammi
Yeah, he's just like so slimy. I don't know. And I feel like he's hitting... I feel like he's kind of at an early midlife crisis stage. Do you know saying?
00:22:14
Steve
I like that. Yeah, yeah.
00:22:16
Sammi
It's like... ah It's just... It's like i He's chasing something. i think he knows like I'm getting up there in bachelor years.
00:22:23
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:22:27
Sammi
um You know, I'm they're not going to let me do this again.
00:22:31
Steve
Nope.
00:22:32
Sammi
So this is my last shot. So I got like have fun with it and whatever. But he's also trying to, i think, rehab his image a little bit. And so he's like, well, i should stay committed. I don't know. I think he is trying to make himself look good.
00:22:47
Steve
Oh, totally.
00:22:48
Sammi
Yeah.
00:22:48
Steve
Totally.
00:22:49
Sammi
Mm hmm. So, and he's saying whatever.
00:22:50
Steve
Yeah. which is Which is great because he's not accomplishing that at all.
00:22:54
Sammi
No, he's not doing a good job at it.
00:22:54
Steve
so ah
00:22:56
Sammi
And it also feels like he's saying whatever to Kat when his ass is on the line to stay in her good graces. And then, yeah, he like immediately drops that when he has the power.
00:23:03
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:06
Sammi
So I think it's going to be really interesting to see how that stuff plays out as things are locked down and the show continues um to see where he stays or strays or whatever.
00:23:14
Steve
Yep.
00:23:18
Sammi
But the thing is like, and I think they did fairly well in the second episode we're going to talk about. With the bedding and stuff, right? they They did okay, right? Were they one of the couples that did decent?
00:23:29
Steve
yeah yeah they did fine h yeah I don't know I just want to say like shout out to Kat for not killing him like I think Kat from a few years ago would have murdered him yeah
00:23:30
Sammi
They were kind of like in the middle, right? I can't remember everybody's points. I should have written that down. But again, I was on a treadmill.
00:23:40
Sammi
Seriously, she's done so much work on herself. You can tell she's like she's like really done a lot of inner work and good for her.
00:23:48
Steve
mm-hmm mm-hmm
00:23:50
Sammi
um Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Let's see High low game points. Let's see if they have it. um Yeah, the high low thing was really interesting. Oh, there's a bachelor fantasy league.
00:24:02
Sammi
And why are we not part of it?
00:24:04
Steve
Hmm. I don't know.
00:24:05
Sammi
Hello.
00:24:05
Steve
We should be.
00:24:06
Sammi
i know. um High stakes bet. Yeah. Because. Yeah. OK. Yeah. That was. Yeah. They led the pack. Yeah. Kat and Dale were way high up.
00:24:17
Sammi
Bailey and Jeremy were way high up. And then Leslie and Gary were way high up. But then Gary decided to make that ridiculous bet. Remember? Yeah.
00:24:26
Steve
Oh, that was awesome. He's so dumb.
00:24:27
Sammi
That like totally like shut them all the way down. um But yeah, they yeah, they did well. They were like on the higher end of things. But obviously, Jeremy took a really bold bet and got it right.
00:24:36
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:41
Sammi
And then nobody could beat that.
00:24:41
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:43
Sammi
So that was why that they had taken the lead. And we'll have to talk about it. him later. But um yeah, OK, I just wanted to double check that I had that right. So, yeah, I mean, it's like they obviously are talking a lot and they're spending a lot of time together and they were strategic enough in the game.
00:24:55
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:58
Sammi
And they do, I think, make fairly good teammates.
00:25:01
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:25:01
Sammi
I think the question just is, yeah, is there a longevity there? Is is Dale just trying to work out the strategy or or does he have feelings for Kat? And I feel i do feel more protective,
00:25:14
Sammi
of Kat watching how much she's grown. I'm like, don't fuck her over.
00:25:19
Steve
No, don't do it.
00:25:19
Sammi
Okay. That's not going to be okay with me. She was always good TV. And now I feel like she's good TV and like a chill person. And I'm like, don't, don't do mean things to her. She's nice.
00:25:31
Steve
yeah
00:25:31
Sammi
Um, but yeah, so we start this episode with a rose ceremony or wait, no, sorry. That was week, uh, six. Um, JK was looking at the wrong notes. But yeah, so at this point, like she's talking about the different backgrounds thing. And Dale's like, well, I don't have any concerns about you and you're a priority for me.
00:25:49
Sammi
um But we'll see yeah how that changes in the weeks to come. I also love that around this time, this was when April like, okay.
00:25:59
Sammi
Also, i love April. I mean, April's great.
00:26:03
Steve
She's kooky, man.
00:26:04
Sammi
She's so, she's, oh my God.
00:26:04
Steve
I'd hang out with her.
00:26:06
Sammi
Yes. Yeah. I would love to, I would love to know what she thinks about my energy. um
00:26:11
Steve
i would like an energy reading from her.
00:26:11
Sammi
And, but yeah.
00:26:13
Steve
Is that available?
00:26:14
Sammi
Yes.
00:26:14
Steve
Let's get this girl some crystals. Come on.
00:26:16
Sammi
April, get on Cameo and do energy readings, please.
00:26:19
Steve
Please, God, please.
00:26:20
Sammi
You gotta do it.
00:26:20
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:21
Sammi
Please.
00:26:21
Steve
Otherwise, I'm just going to get drunk and throw money at Jax Taylor to say silly things. Why?
00:26:25
Sammi
Oh my gosh.
00:26:27
Steve
ah
00:26:27
Sammi
Oh my gosh. there I just watched a cameo from Jax. um ah And it was like, it was something, he it was like, I think someone's birthday or graduation or something, but the person that he was sending it to had like lost a parent and you know and and he has as well.
00:26:45
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:26:48
Sammi
And so he just goes into this whole thing and he's like, i I would like to tell you that it's gonna get better, but it's not, it's just gonna keep getting worse.
00:26:55
Steve
Oh
00:26:56
Sammi
But then he's just like trauma dumping, you know, like what the hell, Jack?
00:26:59
Steve
my god. Amazing.
00:27:03
Sammi
What the hell? Oh, my God. Yeah, we do. We should can we should think about a cameo because you can do promotional cameos as well.
00:27:10
Steve
It's true. It's true.
00:27:11
Sammi
We can you can pay extra for like a promotional cameo. We should look through Bachelor Nation and see who's doing it and get one of them to promo stuff.
00:27:20
Steve
think it's a good idea.
00:27:21
Sammi
I'm going to think about that. OK, for a while, Tammy was like 25 bucks.
00:27:25
Steve
Really?
00:27:26
Sammi
Yeah, and I love me some Tammy.
00:27:26
Steve
Wow.
00:27:28
Sammi
So if she's still on, Tammy, if you're still on there, you're gonna be getting a message from me shortly. i guess I totally want you to do a video. um Oh, yeah. I also made a note that when Faith came in, it was the same Spencer audio.
00:27:42
Sammi
There's a new arrival. It's really annoying me. um And I'm so sorry. OK, so anyway, so April's on the beach and she is like, I'm frisky and I'm going to have men take shots off of off of me.
00:27:53
Steve
Hell yeah.
00:27:53
Sammi
And she's amazing. She's just like, whatever. Who cares? Like. The young women aren't going to get jealous of this. They know I'm just having fun. So like, you want to take a shot? And yeah, she's so smart.
00:28:04
Sammi
um And OK, this was around the time that the the other the new wave of friend zoning is happening. So Leah, I'm so sorry.
00:28:15
Sammi
i feel like I keep saying Leah. I'm so sorry, Leah, Leah, Leah, Leah.
00:28:18
Steve
like uh like the princess from star wars come on
00:28:20
Sammi
Like the princess from Star Wars. But anyway, um she goes she's going to go out with Jonathan. And and yeah again, it's like, OK, well, maybe this is going to go well. I mean, do you have any wild conspiracy theories about why Jonathan is friend zoning everyone? Because some people on the Internet do.
00:28:37
Steve
Oh, no. Why? I just assumed that he likes being on the beach and he's having a good time, but he's not finding a romantic connection.
00:28:43
Sammi
I think that's probably true. Some people are saying, is there endgame with him and Jen? But I don't know. I think that's a little too romantic.
00:28:52
Steve
I think that's, you're looking you're looking too far into it.
00:28:53
Sammi
I think that's a little too fanfiction-y, you know?
00:28:56
Steve
I think the reality is, is like he was on the beach. He didn't have a connection with people. He tried. He's been actively trying.
00:29:03
Sammi
Yeah.
00:29:03
Steve
And, you know, with Leia, maybe, maybe not communicating so well. Fine. Sure. um But yeah, on the whole, I think he's just not connecting with anyone on that level.
00:29:14
Sammi
Yeah.
00:29:14
Steve
So he's just like, but I like it here and I'm having fun.
00:29:17
Sammi
Yeah. I mean, I think the thing well and who knows, i'd be' I'll be curious to hear hear how this all shakes out and and what happened after Paradise. I mean, obviously, he had to wait a long time and like remain single before he got on the beach.
00:29:31
Sammi
Right.
00:29:31
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:32
Sammi
Wasn't it like a year or something like that that he had to like he had like promise to like, you know, so I'm like, that's a long time. I don't know. Um, so I don't know if that that's the reason I think, okay, well maybe cause cause remember when Leah asked him, I think that was in week six, the episode six where she said like, do you have anything else going on here or outside of paradise?
00:29:55
Sammi
And he was like, no. And I was like, and she was like, okay. And that's, was also my face. I was like, okay. I don't know. Then what's, I think maybe part of it is we're so used to people coupling up on the show that when someone is perhaps, he you know, he's being totally honest.
00:30:08
Steve
you
00:30:12
Sammi
um When someone's being totally honest, it's throws us, you know, because, but it's like, you know, i feel like that happens on so many shows and it's like when someone's like, well, yeah, it's like, what are the chances?
00:30:16
Steve
Yep. That could be it.
00:30:25
Sammi
Okay. You're in a room with 10 people. There's a good chance you don't vibe with any of them.
00:30:29
Steve
Yeah, I would not vibe with any of these people.
00:30:30
Sammi
That's like like a normal thing.
00:30:31
Steve
I'd be like, you're hot, but dumb.
00:30:32
Sammi
ah Well, what about Jill?
00:30:33
Steve
What do i I do with this?
00:30:35
Sammi
Okay. What about Jill?
00:30:36
Steve
Oh, no, Jill, I would marry.
00:30:36
Sammi
Jill's a catch.
00:30:37
Steve
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:30:39
Sammi
Jill is like such a catch. Oh, my gosh. She's so much better than this show. Like for a real.
00:30:43
Steve
yeah yeah
00:30:44
Sammi
I mean, you know, and Kat's getting there too. like yeah and And I do think Jonathan is one of the better people on the show too. Obviously, i was I'm always team Jonathan. But like... Yeah, there's just something there's it's not working.
00:30:56
Sammi
It's not working in whatever capacity, but he's trying again.
00:30:59
Steve
yeah
00:30:59
Sammi
He's going on a date with Leia. um And then there's this bird of paradise party that's happening. And actually, this is one of my favorite things I've ever seen on Paradise. I am not joking.
00:31:11
Steve
This is like top tier.
00:31:11
Sammi
Everybody getting dressed up like full, like glitter and makeup and feathers and like wild costumes. It was so good. Like, why don't they do this kind of stuff more often?
00:31:23
Sammi
Just like, just, and I mean, talk about in character who went, like Kim went in full character.
00:31:23
Steve
Oh,
00:31:30
Steve
oh yeah.
00:31:31
Sammi
He's just, he's just like, ah, the whole time. Bonkers.
00:31:34
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:31:34
Sammi
and And here's the thing, like Parisa is I I just feel like we have been robbed of Parisa's entire personality on the show. And it sucks because she is like the type of person who would get into this like fully.
00:31:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:49
Sammi
And yeah, Brian's just like I just feel like he's dulls her sparkle at every turn.
00:31:53
Steve
Oh gosh, he is the worst. and And what is his chief complaint in in the most recent episode? He's just like, yeah, I noticed you say nice things to me and you compliment me.
00:32:02
Sammi
You compliment me too much.
00:32:04
Steve
Yeah. And she's like, you smell nice. You have a pretty smile. You have really nice eyes. Like just, it's not like she's like gushing or anything. Like she's just like, Hey, here's the thing I like, which is lovely.
00:32:15
Steve
and he's like, my love language is no words of affirmation. Yeah.
00:32:19
Sammi
Yeah, it's so weird. OK, this is actually a good segue. Well, a quick sidebar, um because this was a thing that I just found out. So so ah Tuck walked in from the garage and he's got for those of you who don't know, he's got hair about as long as mine.
00:32:34
Sammi
And he just got a perm to not too long ago, although we need to work on it more because like he's not giving in a product, but it's still like a little wavy, you know.
00:32:36
Steve
Ooh. Wow.
00:32:43
Steve
He's not giving it a product.
00:32:45
Sammi
No, I really am like, I can I just I want to get my hands on your hair. I want to do something with it.
00:32:49
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:49
Sammi
But um but he came in from the garage and it's like hot outside. So he had like one shirt, like one button on button on his shirt, too. And he came in with this long hair. And I was like, you look like a romance novel cover. Like you just like walked in and he was like this.
00:33:04
Steve
Oh my God.
00:33:05
Sammi
And I was like, I was like, oh, and I was like, oh, my God.
00:33:05
Steve
ah
00:33:08
Sammi
And I said, you almost look like Fabio after he was on that roller coaster. And
00:33:12
Steve
but he got hit by the bird in the face.
00:33:15
Sammi
And he goes, like, I was making a reference and he looked at me and i was like, what are you talking about? And i was like, you don't know about, like, the most famous thing about Fabio?
00:33:24
Steve
Oh yeah, that's the most famous thing about Fabio.
00:33:29
Sammi
He was on a roller coaster and he hit like a goose hit him in the face.
00:33:34
Steve
Yeah, it was like a big white bird.
00:33:34
Sammi
He did not have a bloody face, but yeah.
00:33:36
Steve
It like exploded on his face. It was awesome.
00:33:38
Sammi
Yeah, it's wild. But I was just like, I was like, but his hair was like blown out. was like, yeah, it's like Fabio. He got off the roller coaster. And he was like, are you talking about?
00:33:46
Steve
Oh my God. Apparently
00:33:48
Sammi
And I was like, I thought everyone in the world knew about this, but apparently they don't.
00:33:51
Steve
not.
00:33:52
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:53
Steve
Amazing.
00:33:53
Sammi
So anyway, um but yeah, I yeah, I feel like I were I enjoy compliments a lot. And I really like giving compliments to not just you look like Fabio.
00:34:06
Sammi
But, you know, it's like, yeah, because like he just got a new shirt the other day and I was like, that a new shirt? really like It looks really, really nice on you. You know, or like, oh, I i love those glasses, like whatever.
00:34:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:17
Sammi
And like, yeah, like it's just I mean, I know some people have like a hard time taking compliments like they'll get uncomfortable with it. But to just be like, you're giving me too many compliments like.
00:34:29
Sammi
It very much feels like like I had a high school boyfriend who was kind of like that, who wanted to just like control all of my actions.
00:34:37
Steve
yeah
00:34:37
Sammi
And I didn't know any better because this was like first boyfriend situation or like first serious boyfriend, I guess. You know, so it was like he'd be like, you you can only hold my hand in these scenarios.
00:34:50
Sammi
Like between these windows, you can hold my hand.
00:34:50
Steve
Which is. Mm-hmm.
00:34:53
Sammi
I'll let you hug me at this time. I'll let you, you know, and I was like, oh, okay, like, I didn't know that that was, like, fucked up, but that's what he's doing to Parisa, and I'm like, that's so bad. Like, she just should be able, she's, like, so, like, free and weird and fun and sweet, and with him, it's just, like, she becomes more two-dimensional, and it's really upsetting.
00:35:22
Sammi
I just don't like it at all.
00:35:23
Steve
It's quite strange. i don't I don't understand it.
00:35:25
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:28
Steve
It's it's weird. And yeah, I feel bad for her because like she's not doing anything wrong. And I don't know if this is like his way to set up like ah like a breakup or like Hedges' bets or whatever, but it's really it's pretty scummy.
00:35:40
Steve
I don't know.
00:35:41
Sammi
Yeah. Like, well, I mean, and he's been consistent since day one being like, I'm just here to kiss a bunch of people, you know, and it's like, well, then maybe go on a different show.
00:35:47
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:50
Sammi
um
00:35:50
Steve
Also, he just sucked.
00:35:51
Sammi
But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I never liked him and I gave him like the tiniest chance to be different. And then I was like, no, was right about you. You suck. um And yeah, and there's like this whole thing.
00:36:04
Sammi
So he's rooming with Jeremy, right? I mean, I'm assuming because they're always like getting ready at the same time and stuff.
00:36:06
Steve
Hmm.
00:36:10
Sammi
And so they're getting ready for this Bird of Paradise party. And like Jeremy, again, is talking about Susie. Like and I mean, he has said some things like I haven't really read the full context of things, but I know that Bailey is defending him a little bit, which makes me go, oh, no. um
00:36:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:36:28
Sammi
And he is also like, well, they, you know, the edit kind of sucks. And, you know, like they're being kind of misleading with the cuts and whatever.
00:36:39
Sammi
But it's like also... You having a temper tantrum and be like, you need to call Susie right now. Like you did that. Okay. They didn't like create that out of nothing, you know, and, and that, you know, that you shouldn't be saying something and you're like, I want, I don't want to say this with the mics on and they catch you within a hot mic moment.
00:36:59
Sammi
Like, again, like you didn't have to say that you didn't have to say that with a mic on your body. And you did. You know what i mean? So it's like, yes, but also um you keep saying things like, oh, I really want to like hang out with Susie more.
00:37:17
Sammi
You know, Susie's on everyone's mind.
00:37:17
Steve
Yeah. Apparently. She's living red free in Puerto Rico.
00:37:21
Sammi
Susie lives rent free and everyone's mind.
00:37:24
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:25
Sammi
She's busy.
00:37:26
Steve
yeah
00:37:26
Sammi
Okay. um Her feet are tired. um So, yeah. So that was just kind of shitty. And then and then we go into this party and Alicia's kind of the new the new young girl, you know, on the block. And and she's coming in ah full bird makeup.
00:37:46
Sammi
So, like, the first thing they... Isn't this the first moment that she comes in for the Bird of Paradise party? Like,
00:37:51
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:52
Sammi
And so she's coming in and she's like, hi, everybody. And this is how I meet all of you in bird regalia. um And um oh, and at the same time, too, there's the cacao ceremony going on. I can't not mention that.
00:38:06
Sammi
um So Gary is the hot commodity in the goldens. And I mean, i think it's partially because I mean, he's really sweet. He's also partially because he has like a really nice voice and intense eye contact.
00:38:18
Sammi
So why wouldn't you hang out with him? And, um, so Nancy is, you know, comes in and she's like, do you want to go to this cacao ceremony with me? And he's like, okay.
00:38:30
Sammi
And this is one of those things that I have, um, a decent amount of knowledge about because of this weird niche group I followed on the internet for a while, who was really into a bunch of woo stuff, including cacao ceremonies.
00:38:43
Sammi
It was all white people in like Boulder, Colorado, you know, doing this shit, you know what saying?
00:38:46
Steve
ah Yeah.
00:38:48
Sammi
Um, and they'd
00:38:48
Steve
Side of ayahuasca with that, maybe.
00:38:50
Sammi
Yeah, they'd go to Burning Man. They'd have um ah group situations. um We'll just say that.
00:38:58
Steve
stop Stop going in the desert and lighting shit on fire to do drugs. like Just do drugs at home. It's a lot cheaper.
00:39:05
Sammi
You know, it's like, so I have like a familiarity with the these types of things in circles. This was a very different feeling because it's like in Costa Rica, it feels a little more like, I don't know, not as whitewashed, I guess, for lack of a better term.
00:39:20
Steve
who
00:39:22
Sammi
But it's funny because, yeah, it's there's no drugs in it or anything, but they edited it.
00:39:22
Steve
yeah
00:39:27
Sammi
So they're like, whoa, man. Yeah. And they're like, I feel great. But I do love the disclaimer where she was like, if you feel like you need to ah engage in penetration, ah don't.
00:39:40
Sammi
I was like, okay, okay.
00:39:42
Steve
Don't ah' penetrate anything.
00:39:44
Sammi
So you're going feel a little amorous after this, you know?
00:39:44
Steve
Nothing.
00:39:47
Sammi
um So, so they're on this like
Serious Moments and Health Updates
00:39:50
Sammi
trippy thing. And then meanwhile, everyone's dressed up in bird costumes, you know, and hanging out and doing these dances and stuff.
00:39:58
Sammi
And yeah, like Parisa's like, okay, I want this VIP suite, Brian. So like, you really got to bring it. And that's the thing. It's like, she should be with a guy who's like, yes, like I'm going to go like, I mean, he wants to win because he's like competitive, but it's not like he's like, yeah, like let's choreograph this whole thing and like you'll do this and I'll do this.
00:40:10
Steve
Brian brings nothing.
00:40:17
Steve
No.
00:40:18
Sammi
And like she needs somebody who's got that. Like, do you want to go play mermaids energy? and he does not want to go play mermaids. OK, and that sucks for for her and for us.
00:40:28
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:40:30
Sammi
um So they do end up winning. And oh, and in all of this time, like Dale is talking to Alicia. So he's like, I'm so like, you're a priority to me, Kat.
00:40:40
Sammi
Oh, who's this new bird? I'm going to go over and talk to her and strap my stuff and show her my feathers, you know?
00:40:43
Steve
pretty
00:40:47
Steve
Yeah, yeah
00:40:48
Sammi
And um and but now Alicia is also like, oh, well, maybe Sean, though. Hmm. You know, maybe Sean and Jill What did she say? So she said something like ah Sean wouldn't care if I died or something like that.
00:41:02
Sammi
Thank you. She says something like that.
00:41:04
Steve
well yeah.
00:41:05
Sammi
Because, yeah, at this point, Jill is still here. She's doing the bird stuff. But she's like, Sean has no clue I even exist right now.
00:41:09
Steve
Just hanging out a solo bird.
00:41:14
Steve
not a thing.
00:41:14
Sammi
It's just like it's not even a thing, you know.
00:41:16
Steve
not a thing
00:41:17
Sammi
And so she's just like, OK, well, yeah. And so Alicia leaning towards Sean, it's like, well, that would make fewer waves. um she the Her hesitation.
00:41:29
Sammi
It was funny because she was like, it's really early in the game. And then like a minute later, she was like, Well, people are pretty locked down and it's fairly late in the game. was like a day later. um But, you know, she was hesitant because Sean reminded her of her ex.
00:41:43
Sammi
That was one thing that she said.
00:41:43
Steve
Oh.
00:41:45
Sammi
She's like, he just he's like a lot of men that I've dated. So it's like this is kind of comfort zone. But do I really want to get into this again? Maybe I shouldn't judge him. Whatever.
00:41:56
Sammi
I mean, they're both very pretty. I'll see how that goes. ah They don't really know each other at all. But um and then, yeah, here's the thing.
00:42:03
Steve
No.
00:42:07
Sammi
OK, so then we get to the end of this. Yeah. Parisa and Brian win. um Oh, yeah. I also wrote, I would say Jill for Bachelorette, but she's way too cool. um I mean, they did it with Katie, so maybe they do it with Jill. But ah I'm just so worried about Katie these days. I don't know if you've been yeah keeping up with her, but.
00:42:23
Steve
No, what's she up to?
00:42:25
Sammi
Well, she's got stage four cancer.
00:42:28
Steve
Fuck.
00:42:29
Sammi
You didn't know that.
00:42:29
Steve
That's not something I want her to be up to.
00:42:31
Sammi
No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to didn't mean to laugh.
00:42:32
Steve
Shit.
00:42:33
Sammi
That was like an uncomfortable reaction.
00:42:34
Steve
No, yeah.
00:42:36
Sammi
um
00:42:36
Steve
Ah, sorry.
00:42:38
Sammi
I thought, you know, I thought we talked about this on the podcast before that she had cancer.
00:42:40
Steve
Well, I think we talked to her being like sick or whatever, but I didn't know it was like, like that.
00:42:44
Sammi
Yeah.
00:42:44
Steve
Fuck.
00:42:45
Sammi
Yeah. Stage four. Yeah. She has stage four breast cancer. Yeah.
00:42:48
Steve
Jesus Christ.
00:42:49
Sammi
Yeah. yeah I know. And it's just it's awful. um It's just awful. I hope. I mean, she's fairly optimistic, but she's a pretty optimistic person, you know,
00:42:59
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:43:00
Sammi
um But she has been posting a lot about like self exams and, you know, like early detection and things like that. She's really trying to use what's happening with her to try to help other, you know, other people. But it's really it's rough.
00:43:16
Sammi
It's really rough. Yeah. But she's going through, I can't remember what the name of the treatment is. It's a different, it's, it's an, all it's not chemo because of the type of cancer she has.
00:43:26
Sammi
There's like another type of like, it's like a hormone based treatment or something like that.
00:43:30
Steve
Oh.
00:43:30
Sammi
That's supposed to be more effective for the type of cancer that she has. Anyway, you can learn more about that.
00:43:34
Steve
Well, shit.
00:43:35
Sammi
But um yeah, she's going through those like rounds of treatment right now. So, but yeah, anyway, um sorry, didn't mean to bring down the pot.
00:43:45
Steve
Yeah, wow.
00:43:46
Sammi
Sorry. But yeah, everybody sun good.
00:43:49
Steve
It's my fault for not fucking knowing. I would have taken it a little more somber.
00:43:51
Sammi
Yeah. Send good thoughts to Katie.
00:43:52
Steve
Jesus.
00:43:53
Sammi
Send good thoughts to Katie. She's, you know, she's the best. um She's like one of the one of the best to ever do it.
00:43:56
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:59
Sammi
You know, one of the best to to ever to ever be bachelorette, in my opinion. So one of the greats. I just hope she does better. Oh, my gosh. Wait, this is interesting.
00:44:11
Sammi
Whoa. What the hell? OK, hold on.
00:44:16
Steve
What are you looking at?
00:44:16
Sammi
And three hours ago, she she clapped back at somebody amazing. She's like, I'm not going to let stage four cancer keep me from putting you in your fucking place.
00:44:28
Sammi
So apparently, OK, she posted like a wedding, a wedding post with her and her husband. By the way, her husband seems like a really cool guy, like really cool, really sweet.
00:44:37
Steve
That's good.
00:44:39
Sammi
She's really happy, just like. Um, she found a person. So it's like, well, I hope you, I want you to have many, many years with this person. So I hope, you know, this, this does well, but yeah.
00:44:51
Sammi
So anyways, she posted something. Um, she said, okay, I'll, I'll put this in the show notes. Uh, she said this from soap central. She goes, remember this guy from my season, me either, but he's still here lurking on my page. Um,
00:45:06
Sammi
Um, uh, cause apparently like she posted like all her wedding stuff and whatever. And, um, and, uh, someone called her like, or someone who was on her season said like a couple of solid fives, like that, like the two of them were fives, you know, her and her husband.
00:45:28
Sammi
And yeah. So she said, thanks for being a fan.
00:45:33
Steve
we even fucking bothers to do that?
00:45:33
Sammi
yeah
00:45:34
Steve
What a weirdo.
00:45:34
Sammi
Yeah. Cody Mank. I don't remember him either. See? Yeah. But love that she goes, yeah, remember this guy? at Me either.
00:45:46
Sammi
Like, you're ah you're you're trying to offend... A former bachelorette who is a stand up comedian and has stage four cancer. You think she's going to hold back on you?
00:45:57
Sammi
No, you you absolute loser clown.
00:45:57
Steve
Yeah, I don't think she gives a shit at this point.
00:46:01
Sammi
um But she did say also recently that, yeah, she is. she's optimistic. um Yeah, she was on Caitlin Bristow's podcast like a week or so ago.
00:46:15
Steve
Okay.
00:46:15
Sammi
um And she said yeah ah she she said, yeah, technically it's not curable and she will technically have breast cancer forever, but she can like manage it and keep it, you know, at a low level.
00:46:27
Steve
Oh my God.
00:46:30
Sammi
So that's kind of scary. So
00:46:32
Steve
That's horrifying. Yeah. Jesus.
00:46:34
Sammi
Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. But, um, yeah. Uh, yeah. It's not fair. Uh, anyway. Okay. Moving on. I'm going to try to, how do i transition out of this? I do not know.
00:46:46
Sammi
Um, but I'm going to try.
00:46:47
Steve
the
00:46:48
Sammi
Sorry.
00:46:50
Steve
Brian sucks.
00:46:50
Sammi
Um,
00:46:51
Steve
There we go.
00:46:52
Sammi
Yeah.
00:46:52
Steve
Got it.
00:46:52
Sammi
Yeah. but
00:46:52
Steve
We're back.
00:46:53
Sammi
But anyway, yeah, Katie, we we love you and support you. um And we hate Brian so much. And he sucks. So, yeah. So Parisa. Anyway, Parisa is another great, fun person. and She's not necessarily like bachelorette status, you know, like I think Jill's got the bachelorette. I mean, we've been surprised before, you know.
00:47:13
Steve
Hmm.
00:47:14
Sammi
We were like, who's we don't even know anything about charity. And then she was like the best bachelorette to ever bachelorette. So you just never know.
00:47:19
Steve
Hmm. Hmm.
00:47:20
Sammi
But um but Preece is like, you know, she's like a yeah, funky, fun girl. They win this VIP suite. And then um she's like asking like kind of silly questions, which would have helped them in the game next week.
00:47:35
Sammi
You know, if you think about it. So she was just asking goofy questions like, what's your favorite color? First of all, it's like, what harm is it in answering that question?
00:47:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:44
Sammi
Just answer the damn question. Okay. She's just asking a goofy little question for the cameras before you, you know, do whatever, you know, he's like, I want to flock.
00:47:54
Sammi
I want to flock. And she's like, I'm just trying to be cute. You know, and he's like, I don't want be cute. I just want flock. And it's like, maybe she's like trying to think about, I don't know, a more well-rounded image that she wants to craft on the show.
00:48:08
Sammi
And he's just like, and that's the thing, you know, it's like, and I did not like that Zoe called her cheap, basically, you know, that was really not cool.
00:48:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:19
Sammi
But I do think Brian has that effect of cheapening people, making them look that way.
00:48:24
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:26
Sammi
um And she has so much more to offer than that.
00:48:27
Steve
Dragging folks down.
00:48:29
Sammi
Yeah, it's just awful. Yeah, he's like, come down to my basement level. You know, um I don't have any windows in my apartment type of a guy.
00:48:36
Steve
ha ha ha ha.
00:48:38
Sammi
And yeah, so there's that. And then Dale is like, oh, well, I want to talk to Alicia. this is ah like this is just men are trash ah hour. And he's like, i want to talk to Alicia because I want to make cats sweat.
00:48:51
Sammi
And it's just like, but why?
00:48:52
Steve
why why there's no reason don't be a dick man
00:48:53
Sammi
why That's just exhausting. Don't be like that. That's so weird. Like the, the, you know, the day I realized that like games do not have to ever be played like that.
00:49:07
Steve
no it's just exhausting
00:49:08
Sammi
And in fact, they're unhealthy was the day I, you know, had a better day. ah
00:49:13
Steve
or
00:49:15
Sammi
But yeah, it's just like it's just awful. So um but Alicia is like also trying to again talk to Sean. But this is when she said he's a copy paste of her ex. So she's like, i don't know.
00:49:25
Sammi
I'm not sure.
00:49:26
Steve
so
00:49:27
Sammi
Um, and then i think this was the next day, right? Oh yeah, this is what happened. Okay. So then we get to the next day and Kim, um, is having like heart stuff.
00:49:41
Sammi
Like he's worried about, you know, that it could be a more serious issue. He's got like chest tightness and things like that. I think high, high blood pressure,
00:49:47
Steve
Yeah, not good when you're old and on the beach.
00:49:49
Sammi
um Right. So he's like, I better go in for this. And so Faith, who, you know, he was excited about, like, was like, well, I got to go on this date.
00:50:00
Sammi
So she goes to Kathy and she's like, do you want to go riding with me? Which I actually thought was really cute that she was like, do you want to go riding with me?
00:50:06
Steve
Oh,
00:50:07
Sammi
I know you've always wanted to do it. And like, then the date won't go to waste or whatever. But then Kim comes back and he's like, oh, I wanted to go to the beach with Faith. I wanted to go, um you know, ride horses with her and stuff.
00:50:21
Steve
oh
00:50:22
Sammi
um So that was kind of sad. But they did have a cute little hang. And that was that was sweet. um We also see the next day Dale is still entertaining Alicia.
00:50:33
Sammi
um and this was the wildest part is that Alicia's talking to Kat about like what she should do. That was that was wild. That was wild.
00:50:44
Sammi
I was like, oh God, that would make my tummy hurt if someone did that to me.
00:50:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:50:48
Steve
No, yeah.
00:50:48
Sammi
What do you think? Yeah, you're really interested in this guy. What should I do? It's like, um but Kat was like, she played it pretty slick. I got to say she was like, well, you know, like, what do you think? Oh, Sean. Yeah. OK.
00:51:00
Sammi
And then she's like, well, I don't know about Dale. And she's like, I don't know about that one. You know, she's pretty good.
00:51:07
Steve
and i want to Yeah, Yeah.
00:51:07
Sammi
She she wasn't like back off, but she was like, I don't know. do you think that's a good choice?
00:51:12
Steve
i would I would also, I mean, she asked me, I'd probably say, yeah, I don't know about that one either. That's stay away from him.
00:51:16
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know about that one. Not sure. But she did pick Sean, you know, so she was smart enough. And then that was kind of the I think that was the end of that episode. And then we get into week six, episode six, whatever you want to call it, because it's like only been ah little over a week at this point.
00:51:26
Steve
It's
00:51:35
Sammi
Why haven't all these people found absolute love? What's going on?
00:51:40
Steve
crazy. What's going on here?
00:51:41
Sammi
Um, but yeah, Kim and Faith, this is when you start to see their connection. Like he was disappointed about the horseback riding thing, but then they get to talking and it's like, oh yeah, like maybe there's actually something here because, and Faith was like, I just don't really think any, any of these men are men I want to go for.
00:51:46
Steve
yeah
00:51:58
Sammi
And then she's like, okay, now I'm kind of pleasantly surprised. And they both like live in the same area.
00:52:04
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:04
Sammi
Like they're both in Washington Yeah. So they they got that Pacific Northwest a bond going, I guess. Trees and whatnot. I'm not sure.
00:52:13
Steve
That's reason why...
00:52:15
Sammi
i don't know.
00:52:15
Steve
Let's go hiking in mossy, damp woods.
00:52:15
Sammi
and Right. That's yeah. It's like I can smell it. ah So um and then, yeah. OK, we have there's there's this rose ceremony that's coming up like pretty early in the episode. and And you can kind of see where people are are coupling up.
00:52:34
Sammi
And it's like, OK, it's going to be the end of the road for a lot of people. including April. and But you know what? Here's the deal. She's going to be fine no matter what. okay I know that she gets... she First of all, she has game.
00:52:49
Sammi
and i She can get any guy she wants like in and out of paradise. so She's going to be just fine. But boy, is she fun to watch on the beach. It is sad to see her go. Like...
00:53:01
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:53:01
Sammi
one of my favorite people on the beach this year for sure. um And then, okay. Yeah. Then this is the upbringing. She, she, again, like Kat is talking to Dale about this upbringing comment right before the rose ceremony.
00:53:15
Sammi
um But this is when the men have the power, right? So it's like, oh things could happen up in the air who's to say there's not a lot of roses to go around but there wasn't really anything all that surprising that happened at this rose ceremony because we've got brian and parisa andrew and alex which we didn't see a lot of them in this last episode um jeremy and bailey again didn't see well we saw like the jeremy stuff we didn't see a lot of them spencer and jess we like never see them
00:53:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:47
Sammi
It's just like, whatever. They're over there.
00:53:49
Steve
yeah
00:53:49
Sammi
They're having a good time. Blah, blah, blah. um Dale and Kat, Sean and Alicia, Jonathan and Leah, Keith and Kathy, Kim and Faith, and then Big G. Oh, I'm sorry, Gary.
00:54:03
Sammi
I'm sorry, Big G. ah
00:54:05
Steve
but
00:54:06
Sammi
um I like that they turned turned it into Big L when he lost on the game ah and Leslie.
00:54:10
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:12
Sammi
So then, yeah. So that meant that April left and Natasha left and who else left? um Those were like the big ones that I wrote down.
00:54:24
Sammi
Who else left?
00:54:24
Steve
oh um
00:54:25
Sammi
Oh, well, Nancy.
00:54:26
Steve
Yeah, Nancy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:27
Sammi
Nancy left. um Yeah. And Leslie, I said. Yeah. So that was pretty. no. Leslie's still there. Sorry. um Leslie's there.
00:54:35
Steve
Oh, yeah, she's with Kim.
00:54:37
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. Leslie's with Gary.
00:54:39
Steve
Gary, yeah.
00:54:40
Sammi
Kim and Faith.
00:54:41
Steve
Kim and Faith, there we go.
00:54:41
Sammi
Heath and Kathy. Yeah.
00:54:42
Steve
I'm getting my ladies mixed up.
00:54:42
Sammi
Because there was a little bit of who's with who and whatever.
00:54:43
Steve
I'm sorry.
00:54:45
Sammi
But yeah. So but yeah, April, like, oh, my God, I cried. I was on my treadmill and I started crying because April was just like, she's like, I came here to find love.
00:54:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:54
Sammi
And I and I was like, oh, my God. And she's like, and I found it. And I'm so loved. And I was like, because they all like, like surrounded her and like the world's biggest hug.
00:55:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:03
Sammi
And I was like, fuck, why am I crying?
00:55:06
Steve
Well, it's just everything is so weird, like ah especially because of the mix up with Jonathan and everything. And so now there's what is there? There's like five women left on the beach and there's three men.
00:55:23
Steve
Is that right? Like, what do you what do you do with that? Like.
00:55:25
Sammi
Well, no, this is where it's even. i mean, after after the rose ceremony.
00:55:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:29
Sammi
But that was the other thing people complained about is there were so many more departures.
00:55:35
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:55:35
Sammi
Like, there there were fewer people on the beach to begin with.
00:55:39
Steve
yeah
00:55:39
Sammi
And then there were like...
00:55:40
Steve
Way more people leaving.
00:55:40
Sammi
three of you are going home four of you are going home and it's like that's it's usually like two of you are going home it's not usually like when it gets to like four and then the thing that kind of did fuck up especially the goldens was that april picked jonathan although i'm not taking her to task for that i thought that was a fun choice yeah it's not her fault it's not her fault that they don't have enough math like yeah
00:55:46
Steve
here Yeah.
00:55:58
Steve
No, i think it's fine. It's totally fine. And it's also, it's fun. It's a good swerve.
00:56:04
Steve
Yeah, but it's just like all the ratios are fucked up, but then also the entire second half of the season, like, in order for it to work, you're supposed to have these couples.
00:56:16
Sammi
Enough couples that are solid.
00:56:17
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:56:18
Sammi
Yeah. So that's the thing. It's like we really only have. I mean, it's like Alex and Andrew get along really well, but they haven't been together that long. So who's to say that that's going to last?
00:56:27
Steve
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:56:29
Sammi
Hard to say.
00:56:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:56:30
Sammi
Spencer and Jess are the only ones that have been together since the very beginning.
00:56:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:56:36
Sammi
Kat and Dale kind of. Right.
00:56:37
Steve
Well, yeah.
00:56:37
Sammi
I mean, they were close.
00:56:39
Steve
and And the other side of this, too, is ah because this is a new format and they sort of like introduce it as a swerve surprise thing.
00:56:40
Sammi
Yeah.
00:56:49
Steve
There's no like there was no strategic coupling. You know what i mean? Like there there could have been a world where.
00:56:53
Sammi
Right.
00:56:55
Steve
Jonathan and Jill go on a date and they have fun, but he's like, you know, I don't know, whatever. But if they know that in another day or two that they're going to have this opportunity to win a bunch of money, you could say, well, fuck it.
00:57:12
Steve
Let's be, you know, paradise buddies.
00:57:13
Sammi
Right. But I think they did spring it on them on purpose because they're like doing this whole thing like, well, is it for love or is it for money?
00:57:22
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:57:22
Sammi
So I think it's like they want them to be there for love. Right. Like that's the idea.
00:57:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:57:28
Sammi
So they didn't want to spoil it, although they did have like a little hint. Right. In one of the games, like I stole but half a million dollars, mobileh blah, blah, blah.
00:57:33
Steve
the
00:57:37
Sammi
But we've seen that in other paradise seasons where people do say, well, you want to stay on the beach? I want to stay on the beach. We're having fun. I mean, April even gave that to Jonathan.
00:57:45
Steve
Do you think it's going to be like a traitor situation too, where they get to the end and the winning couple, it's just like, okay, well you guys can split it between the two of you or yeah.
00:57:52
Sammi
Yes.
00:57:53
Steve
So they're just going to traders it.
00:57:54
Sammi
Yes. Hundred percent.
00:57:55
Steve
Okay. Yeah.
00:57:55
Sammi
Hundred percent. They're going to do it where it's like we got to talk about that show at some point, too.
00:57:57
Steve
the
00:58:00
Sammi
I've been. Here's the deal. So I'm going to be out of commission ah very soon for like a couple weeks and I won't be able to do much of anything um because I'm getting the old Bravo special ah because I have a deviated septum. No, I have a real deviated septum.
00:58:14
Sammi
It's not a rhinoplasty.
00:58:15
Steve
the The old Bravo special.
00:58:18
Sammi
They'll be like, I did deviated septum. you're like, you change your entire face. What you talking about? um No, but it's an inside job. Like you shouldn't see much, but I won't be able to do much for like a couple weeks.
00:58:28
Sammi
um So I'm hoping to catch up on a lot of reality TV. That is my goal. That is my one and only goal is like reality TV.
00:58:33
Steve
here So you won't be able to do the the podcast in like a Phantom of the Opera mask? Is that like not...
00:58:40
Sammi
Well, I mean, we'll see. We'll see.
00:58:42
Steve
Do you own a cape? You probably own multiple capes, don't you?
00:58:46
Sammi
I don't own a cape, but I'm married to someone who owns a cape.
00:58:51
Steve
that's It's a marital asset. That counts.
00:58:52
Sammi
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like he owns more spandex than I do, technically. so
00:58:57
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:58:58
Sammi
And we have about the same number of wigs.
00:59:00
Steve
You make him sound like a pro wrestler, by the way. That's.
00:59:03
Sammi
Well, have you met him?
00:59:06
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:59:10
Sammi
That's like pretty accurate. Well, okay, I shouldn't be telling this on the podcast. This an exclusive. He'll never hear it, so he'll never know.
00:59:17
Steve
Exclusive.
00:59:18
Sammi
Okay, there is a there is a a character. ah There's a a figure who comes to bowling alleys. And for some reason, Tuck can never make it.
00:59:30
Sammi
I don't know why he can't make it there. But sometimes when you go to a bowling alley, you'll meet this person, this being named Kegler. ah And Kegler has a full get up and a cape and everything um and like a bowling ball and a chain and all kinds of stuff.
00:59:49
Sammi
um Yeah. And for some reason, some of his gear lives at our house. But Tuck has never met him.
00:59:54
Steve
Wow.
00:59:55
Sammi
Yeah.
00:59:55
Steve
That's amazing.
00:59:57
Sammi
Yeah.
00:59:57
Steve
I'm going to the wrong bowling alleys.
00:59:59
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. Kegler apparently just made an appearance not too long ago.
Events, Game Theory, and Personal Stories
01:00:03
Sammi
So yeah, I'm just telling you.
01:00:03
Steve
Wow.
01:00:07
Sammi
hu
01:00:08
Steve
Wow.
01:00:09
Sammi
You didn't know about this. Okay.
01:00:10
Steve
Now, can I book him for my next birthday party?
01:00:13
Sammi
Yeah. He, yeah, yeah. Kegler makes appearances.
01:00:16
Steve
Oh, that's weddings, funerals, birthdays, brah mitzvahs.
01:00:16
Sammi
Kegler can be bought. Um, Yeah. Like, again, Tuck hasn't met him, but I can arrange it.
01:00:21
Steve
Love it.
01:00:23
Steve
Okay, that's good to know.
01:00:24
Sammi
Yeah.
01:00:25
Steve
Hmm.
01:00:25
Sammi
Yeah. They're just never in the same place at the same time. They just keep missing each other like ships passing in the night. Anyway, so this is like when I started dating him and we went to like a punk themed play.
01:00:39
Sammi
And my mom met him. My parents met him. And I was like, what do you think? And she was like, I honestly do not know. Because I can't really tell. and I was like, well, this isn't like that far off from just like what we do normally.
01:00:53
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:53
Sammi
Just like dress up for no reason sometimes. And then she met him again. And he like decided to dress up a little bit for like a Packer game.
01:01:02
Steve
So he's just wearing like a cheese head?
01:01:02
Sammi
i don't. He was just wearing... I don't remember what he was wearing, but he was wearing things different from how he would... Like, he wore, like, his spiked gauntlets or some shit like that to the bar.
01:01:13
Steve
he
01:01:14
Sammi
And im mom was like, again, i just don't know.
01:01:17
Steve
dressed normal? Yeah.
01:01:19
Sammi
I'm just not sure. And i was like, well, again, this is just kind of another version of what you might get.
01:01:23
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:01:24
Sammi
i don't know what to tell you.
01:01:26
Steve
yeah
01:01:26
Sammi
So the fun never stops in this house. We've already started planning our Halloween costumes. They're going to be good. I'm excited about this year. OK, anyway, so yeah.
01:01:37
Sammi
So that's why I think they wouldn't didn't reveal it, because I think the idea is They want it to be for love. And I think, yeah, it's going to be just like, well, what's the name of that in game theory? It has a name where it's like, you know what I'm talking about? where And they did it in the dark night too, right? where So it's like you you can either, there's a pile of money.
01:01:59
Sammi
You can either split it or if one of you chooses to take it and the other one doesn't, then you get all the money. If you both decide to take it, then you don't get anything, right? What is that called in game theory?
01:02:09
Steve
I don't know what the specific name is. I just call it the traitors thing because that's what they do in
01:02:10
Sammi
oh
01:02:15
Sammi
Let me see if I can find what it's called. It has a name. Oh, I think it okay it's just called an ultimate an ultimatum game. Yeah. So yeah, it's how they decide how to split a sum of money.
01:02:27
Sammi
and yeah And yeah. So it's like it's in your best interest always to say that you're going to split it. um
01:02:33
Steve
Well, as a staunch socialist, I will always split the money. So well, now, now someone is going to go on a reality show with me and screw me over because I said that.
01:02:36
Sammi
Me too. Yeah.
01:02:39
Sammi
Yeah, no. Well, here, for the record, if we ever, we would make a really good team on a reality show.
01:02:45
Steve
i think so.
01:02:45
Sammi
But for the record, if we ever had to partner up on a game show, reality show, whatever, I 100% would split the money with you.
01:02:45
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:51
Sammi
I'm not cutthroat like that.
01:02:52
Steve
Yes. Same, same. but
01:02:53
Sammi
Yeah, okay.
01:02:54
Steve
If there's ever a competitive reality show that specifically gets podcasters who talk about reality shows, we're available and we're going to win.
01:02:54
Sammi
So.
01:03:02
Sammi
We're in.
01:03:04
Steve
And then we're going to split the fucking money.
01:03:04
Sammi
We're in. Okay. I didn't make it on the reality show that I auditioned for. So I am still due to be on one. um I was not nerdy enough. In fact, ah that's what they told me.
01:03:14
Steve
Hmm.
01:03:16
Sammi
So, okay. ah Anyway, so yeah. Rose ceremony. Okay. Natasha. Okay. Yeah. And Natasha just kind of, I don't know. She just didn't really get anybody that good. It seemed like she was mostly interested in Gary and Gary was so popular that I was just like,
01:03:31
Sammi
I don't know. But I still, what was that guy's name? CJ? What was his name? The guy who was just like, yeah, had those companions for the you know the summer.
01:03:39
Steve
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:40
Sammi
Was that his name?
01:03:41
Steve
That guy. Oh, yeah. And he was just RJ.
01:03:42
Sammi
RJ, RJ, RJ.
01:03:43
Steve
Yeah, he's like, just went poly mode for a summer.
01:03:44
Sammi
Sorry, not CJ, RJ.
01:03:47
Steve
I was like, okay. Yeah.
01:03:48
Sammi
ah Yeah. And like they seemed to vibe pretty well, but I don't know. There was something that didn't work for Natasha with him. But I was like, he's so promising. We did not see enough of him. I have so many questions for RJ still.
01:03:59
Sammi
um But she's like, but she's kind of like life coachy. Right. So she was like, it's a growth opportunity. Being here was a growth opportunity.
01:04:05
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:06
Sammi
I'm like, I guess you can look at it that way. um but now yeah so now jesse's like okay this is when everything changes everything you knew about this game is different and he's like it's like bachelor pad but more remember that show that didn't work as well well we're bringing it back for some reason what did they win on bachelor pad was 250 000 something like that or what was it
01:04:23
Steve
Yeah. We're bringing it back, baby. or what Yeah, wasn't it wasn't as much. I know that. There
01:04:34
Sammi
Yeah. Winning money bachelor pad. I need to look. I really would like to. Yeah. $250,000. Yeah.
01:04:40
Steve
you go.
01:04:41
Sammi
And it was, again, they could keep it or share. I remember they did the whole thing. Remember they chose keep or share. And then um if one picked keep, then they kept it and the other picture, they wouldn't lose it. But yeah, I wouldn't make myself look that bad.
01:04:57
Sammi
So, Um, so everything's going to change from here on out and now we're going to the relationship test. So this was the thing that's interesting is they all decided to do the same thing the next day.
01:05:08
Sammi
They're like, let's ask each other as many questions as possible and conduct these as interviews.
01:05:11
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:05:13
Sammi
And, you know, it's like, what's your middle name? Okay. How many siblings do you have? Um, where did you grow up? Okay. What's your favorite food? Whatever, you know, and they're, they were just doing all these quizzes, but this was kind of an interesting game where it was like high, high, low, you know? So, um we're going to ask you a question. we're going to give you a number and you have to guess whether it's higher or lower than that number.
01:05:36
Sammi
Some of them seemed pretty obvious, but I do think some of the ranges were tough. Like that $350 one for gifts. I'm like, that is it.
01:05:44
Steve
Yeah, that's weird.
01:05:45
Sammi
Like, I think Jeremy said that was a tough number. I'm like, I agree. That's a tough number.
01:05:49
Steve
Yeah, that's that's an odd one.
01:05:50
Sammi
Above or below $350. Yeah. I was like, I don't know.
01:05:52
Steve
What also is just like, what's your financial situation? Like, I don't know.
01:05:56
Sammi
Right.
01:05:56
Steve
Like at this stage of my life, sure, but 10 years ago?
01:05:56
Sammi
Yeah.
01:06:00
Steve
No, I don't know.
01:06:01
Sammi
Yeah.
01:06:02
Steve
$350 in this
01:06:03
Sammi
I mean, we, well, mom, when you're listening to this, don't,
01:06:08
Sammi
Mom, don't take offense to this when you listen to this, but my parents have given me for my birthday and Christmas in my entire adult life. It has never changed with inflation. I get $300. get $300. like get three hundred dollars
01:06:18
Steve
So that was like, that was sick. Like when you were five.
01:06:21
Sammi
when i was little ah When I was younger, I was like, 300 bucks.
01:06:22
Steve
yeah
01:06:24
Sammi
And I'm like, okay, thanks. um It's still nice.
01:06:29
Steve
It's nice.
01:06:29
Sammi
It's $300 I didn't have before.
01:06:30
Steve
Yeah.
01:06:31
Sammi
And I usually...
01:06:31
Steve
Nobody's, nobody's turning their nose up at $300. Yeah.
01:06:32
Sammi
no. no And I always cash it in. i always cash it in for like you know specific clothing. There are certain things that I like that do happen to be around the $300 range that I have a hard time rationalizing spending on myself. So like clothing or like a book subscription or whatever.
01:06:48
Sammi
So very much appreciate it. But I just think it's funny that they have kept it exactly the same my entire adult life.
01:06:54
Steve
Also, I want all the podcast listeners to know that Sammy's lying.
01:06:54
Sammi
And yeah.
01:06:56
Steve
She takes the $300 and ever since she was a child, she immediately just buys five cartons of cigarettes. That's it.
01:07:05
Sammi
That's exactly what I do. Yes. um No, it's just so funny. Like, ah yeah, well, anyway, and i've I've dated and been married to people whose parents give them like ah exorbitant amounts of money. And I was like, I was like, I'm sorry. What?
01:07:18
Sammi
You're an adult. Why? Why do they need to give you that much?
01:07:21
Steve
Yeah, I shouldn't give you that much.
01:07:22
Sammi
Are you not doing well?
01:07:23
Steve
Are you okay? well
01:07:25
Sammi
Yeah. Well, how's your situation? Why are they giving you like over a thousand dollars for Christmas? Like, holy crap. I didn't know that that existed.
01:07:31
Steve
That's a lot of money.
01:07:32
Sammi
Like, I was very like, what?
01:07:33
Steve
Wow.
01:07:34
Sammi
And then like family members, it's like we're exchanging like thirty dollars, you know, things back and forth. And I was I thought that was pretty normal. And then. It's like, oh, God, there was somebody.
01:07:45
Sammi
Let's see if I can find this tick tock. There was some tick tock that I found where they're like, it's so weird because when you get married, it's like you become a board member of a company like you just step into becoming a board member for a company and they're running it so wrong and so different.
01:07:59
Steve
It's pretty much a...
01:08:01
Sammi
And you're just like, why are you operating like that?
01:08:02
Steve
a
01:08:04
Sammi
That's not efficient. That's not the smart way to do that. Why is everybody doing this? and And they all seem to be fine with it. And you're like, this needs so many structural changes. Who do I bring this to, though? And they all feel that way.
01:08:16
Sammi
And I was like, that's so true.
01:08:19
Steve
pretty much a
01:08:19
Sammi
Like you get married and you go into this world and you're just like, wait, everybody here thinks like this. So strange.
01:08:28
Sammi
I'm like, wait, you didn't grow up watching movies or playing board games? And he's like, no I'm like, what did you do?
01:08:34
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:36
Sammi
and he's like, chores, you know, like and planning menus.
01:08:36
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:40
Sammi
It's like you walk into their house and it's like, oh, I need you to hang this thing up. Can you build a chair for me? And you're like, I just got here.
01:08:47
Steve
God. Some of us are watching Ninja Turtles.
01:08:50
Sammi
Yeah. And it's like, when like you know, for me, it's like, oh, eat, drink immediately.
01:08:52
Steve
That's like...
01:08:55
Sammi
And there's something on TV and you can go play game upstairs or whatever.
01:08:59
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:59
Sammi
You know what I mean?
01:09:00
Steve
I was like, my, my boss at work, like that we have these like weekly meetings and they always have like an icebreaker.
01:09:00
Sammi
Like, it was like that. So strange.
01:09:06
Steve
And one the icebreaker questions like, what was your favorite, like fun sugar cereal as a kid or whatever. So it was just like, Oh, set up a toast crunch, cocoa puffs, fruit loops, whatever.
01:09:17
Steve
And my boss is just like, I wasn't allowed to have sugar cereal as a kid. So I've never had any. I'm like, what did you eat as a child? Gruel? What did you have for breakfast?
01:09:26
Sammi
Well, I also I also wasn't really allowed to have sugary cereals, but I could have some.
01:09:26
Steve
what What were you eating?
01:09:32
Sammi
ah But I had to I learned how to read those labels. yeah I could get honey bunches of oats and sometimes frosted miniweeds.
01:09:37
Steve
but It's an okay cereal. That's an okay cereal.
01:09:41
Sammi
Frosted miniweeds also very good, I think.
01:09:42
Steve
Yeah. But like, but, but I, I get, I get when you're older.
01:09:43
Sammi
um Yeah. But I also ate. I had Lucky Charms like like I buy it every once in a while if I'm like, you know what?
01:09:47
Steve
Yeah. It's like,
01:09:51
Sammi
I'm an adult with adult money and I can go buy this if I want to.
01:09:54
Steve
well, and see, and I, and I always like my immediate thought was like, I get all resentful. Like, what did you have parents who were like present and available? Was your mother making you scrambled eggs every morning? Like what's going on?
01:10:03
Sammi
Well, yeah. Yeah, that's true. My dad. Well, I was just thinking about this the other day because we at the Nerd Cabaret, I was like, I have a very distinct memory of like when I was a kid in like middle school, I'd wake up earlier than I needed to to watch Pokemon and I'd have like my comforter still and I'd be like laying on the couch with my comforter and my dad would bring me peanut butter toast and it was good times.
01:10:23
Steve
See, that's nice.
01:10:24
Sammi
Yeah, it was nice. Gotta catch them all. No one sang the Pokemon theme song at the Nerd Cabaret, and that was a miss.
01:10:30
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:10:31
Sammi
um But anyway, so basically most of the couples did fairly decent, and then the ones who did bad did really bad.
01:10:40
Steve
v
01:10:40
Sammi
um And basically if you were in the bottom three, This is an interesting twist, too. I thought this was interesting. The couples were who are in the bottom three did not get any roses.
Rose Ceremony Strategies and Relationship Musings
01:10:51
Sammi
And the woman who was the winner, because it was the women's week to choose, decides which two other women get roses to keep their around.
01:11:01
Sammi
So... their men are around
01:11:02
Steve
Yeah, and this is good too because Gary firmly establishes himself as the dumbest man alive.
01:11:03
Sammi
so
01:11:07
Sammi
I was just like, I love that Sean was like, what are you doing?
01:11:07
Steve
You
01:11:11
Sammi
It doesn't matter. All you got to you're not going to win. So you just put one down on either one.
01:11:16
Steve
just got one.
01:11:17
Sammi
You got a 50-50 chance and you stay in the middle and you're not on the chopping block.
01:11:17
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:11:22
Sammi
Like literally all you have to do for the next like couple rounds is coast. You just got to stay in the middle.
01:11:27
Steve
Yep.
01:11:28
Sammi
Nothing bad is going to happen. I swear. So yeah, bad strategy. Really bad strategy.
01:11:33
Steve
It's just not even strategy.
01:11:33
Sammi
Jeremy.
01:11:34
Steve
He's like, I didn't think about It's like, no, you didn't, Gary, because you've been riding high on the fumes of being the golden gigolo of Bachelor Beach, all the women pining after you.
01:11:34
Sammi
yeah
01:11:42
Sammi
Yeah. And he's like, yeah, mad action. I'm going to more than four times a week or whatever. And Leslie was like, no.
01:11:51
Steve
oh
01:11:51
Sammi
The hell? Uh, yeah. And he lost it all for that. Bad idea. Bad idea. Um, and yeah, like Jeremy also definitely took a chance, but I do feel like he, well, he did say he just guessed.
01:12:05
Sammi
So that was bold.
01:12:05
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:07
Sammi
Um, that was really bold that he bet it all on that again. So we would have been probably cursing Jeremy the same had he gotten it wrong.
01:12:15
Steve
yeah
01:12:15
Sammi
um But he ended up winning. And then, um yeah, and then let's see who else. Yeah. And then Parisa and Brian, they also did real shitty.
01:12:26
Sammi
So they were in the bottom three. So we had, yeah, Gary and Leslie, Parisa and um Brian and then Kim and Faith because they just didn't really get a lot of time to talk.
01:12:36
Sammi
So it's like not surprising that they were in the bottom.
01:12:37
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:12:39
Sammi
don't think that says anything about them. They just really don't know anything about each other. So why would they be in the top? um So then, okay, we get into after the dust settles a little bit, we're getting into some of these conversations about like, where is this going? What are we doing? What's the strategy? What's the plan?
01:12:57
Sammi
um How are people actually feeling? And Leia is like, well, I think I could be more than friends with Jonathan someday. and then they're like sitting at the bar and Jonathan's like, we're just friends. What are you talking about?
01:13:12
Sammi
Yeah. Who was he talking to? Cat, I think. think he was talking to Cat. And they were they were like, you know, like, well, what's going on? Like, is there more here? And he was like, no, what are you talking about? She's like, what? He's like, didn't I thought I told you. Yeah, we're just friends.
01:13:27
Sammi
She's like, I don't think Leia knows that. So you should probably talk to her about that.
01:13:31
Steve
Let her know.
01:13:32
Sammi
Yeah, not good. He's friendzoning everybody. That's why I'm saying, like, I can see the conspiracy theory, but also...
01:13:38
Steve
Yeah. but Can you friend zone someone would have known them for 48 hours? You want to one date with them? And you're just like, I don't know. Like if I would, if you went on like one date, one, one hinge date with some person and you're just like, and people are like, so what's up with the UN hinge guy?
01:13:47
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
01:13:49
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
01:13:53
Steve
And you'd like, oh like, what do you say to that?
01:13:56
Sammi
Yeah.
01:13:57
Steve
but but But we're on bachelor logic.
01:13:58
Sammi
i mean,
01:14:00
Steve
So it's been, it's been two days, but in bachelor world, it's been three weeks.
01:14:00
Sammi
huh
01:14:04
Steve
So.
01:14:04
Sammi
Sometimes I can be a hopeless romantic, but I don't even think I ever was moved that fast. So, yeah, no, no, ah no proverbial U-Hauls or what whatnot.
01:14:11
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:14:15
Sammi
um
01:14:15
Steve
and
01:14:17
Sammi
Yeah, it was just, I don't know. I get it, though. she's But she just said, I think maybe someday it could be more than friends. And he was just like, no. I was like, oof, oof, not good, not good.
01:14:29
Steve
Oof, big oof, yeah.
01:14:30
Sammi
Yeah, that was a little uncomfy.
01:14:31
Steve
Well, you can see it, like, you watch and you're like, oh, you guys are, like, other the fact that like, well, you're attractive, I'm attractive, we both seem to be nice people.
01:14:38
Sammi
Uh-huh.
01:14:39
Steve
Like, there's no spark there between them.
01:14:41
Sammi
Yeah, I i think the best rapport he really had was probably with, I mean, Jill, I think, or Alex.
01:14:48
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:14:48
Sammi
i Definitely more.
01:14:49
Steve
Jill's just is great. Like, anybody can along with Jill. Like, that's...
01:14:51
Sammi
That's the thing. It's like, why wouldn't you just hang out with her? I don't know. She seems like really fun.
01:14:54
Steve
Yeah. No, I want a party with Jill. That's the only reason I want to get a certain level of fame is just like a party with Jill.
01:14:57
Sammi
Jill, we want to be friends. Yeah.
01:15:02
Sammi
Yeah, Jill, you seem like so cool. Like, fuck all these men who can't see how cool you are. They're trash. And you're amazing.
01:15:10
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:11
Sammi
um Speaking of trash, ah biggest red flag, honestly, from Jeremy, but besides all of the... I just wrote in my notes, I can't take Jeremy seriously at all. Just so...
01:15:22
Steve
There's a man who's never used moisturizer in his life.
01:15:24
Sammi
So he so here's the thing that's interesting, right? Bailey holds all the power because it's the women's chance to choose.
01:15:30
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:15:33
Sammi
But he's still like schmoozing with everybody and whatever. And he's also kind of like wielding power in a way that is not indicative of the secret that he holds.
01:15:44
Sammi
And well, and that he's not even keeping very well because he's told a lot of the men and maybe some of the women how he feels. I also am confused. And yeah, so I do. I don't know a lot about the inside scoop of this or the editing of this or whatever.
01:15:56
Sammi
But I do think it is weird that no one has said anything to Bailey yet because I feel like he's just been telling everybody who listens that, oh, I'm so interested in Susie. And maybe, you know, you can excuse it away as like, oh, it was early days. It was whatever.
01:16:11
Sammi
But he was also like very, it wasn't just like, oh, I'm disappointed or i wonder what could have happened. Or because I feel like that happens early on in Paradise where people will be like, I didn't get the chance to know this person better.
01:16:21
Steve
That's weird.
01:16:24
Sammi
and they kind of like, you know, for lack of a better term, grieve for a little bit. And then they get over it and then they move on. But this was just like, this was like a different, thing. The vibe was different.
01:16:34
Sammi
It was just like, no, get her on the phone now.
01:16:34
Steve
m weird
01:16:37
Sammi
i was like, whoa.
01:16:37
Steve
Well, because he was like mad because she went on a date after he also went on a date. It's like, you're a dork. It's his best move.
01:16:42
Sammi
Yeah.
01:16:44
Steve
If he was because he can only choose the conniving villain path, but he's a moron. ah The best move would have been get rid of Brian because he's annoying and I i dislike him quite a bit.
01:16:56
Steve
ah But also he's the one who's kind of dangling this Susie thing over your head because he's you know, he he's made comments in passing before, but Brian's the one where he really had like the conversation with and Brian's a big douche knife. Brian, get him out of there. Okay.
01:17:13
Steve
There's, there's your main source of conflict gone now, long-term. you have to make a decision because if you actually think that something is going to happen with this woman, you're going to pull her aside and be like, listen, you're going to see some things when the show airs, but I want you to know was early on.
01:17:28
Sammi
her
01:17:30
Steve
I was frustrated. That's not how I feel now, but this is what's going to happen. And she'll probably be pissed, but she'll get over it. Or, or if you think that this is all like bachelor smoking mirrors, they got you all gassed up on love juice out there.
01:17:45
Steve
And you know, It's probably not going to last because Lord knows statistically it ain't gonna.
01:17:49
Sammi
yeah
01:17:50
Steve
Then you ride it to the end. You don't say a damn thing and you take the money. That would be the power villain move. Mm hmm.
01:17:57
Sammi
That would be smart. That would be smart. I think that's the I don't know. i've I've just been disappointed with Jeremy in general because I had higher hopes for him. I thought he was better than all this. And it's just like, I don't know.
01:18:10
Sammi
And it's just some of the little side comments. Again, no one can make you say these things, um but maybe somebody encouraged you to be snarky and it's just not playing out well. But when he said like he didn't he doesn't like any of the Goldens, I'm like, go away.
01:18:22
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:23
Sammi
He's like, they're monologuing too much.
01:18:23
Steve
ah
01:18:24
Sammi
I'm like, that's because they're wise. You should listen to them.
01:18:27
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:27
Sammi
Maybe you've learned something.
01:18:28
Steve
Shut the fuck up, Jeremy. You don't know anything.
01:18:30
Sammi
Yeah.
01:18:30
Steve
You've always been annoying.
01:18:30
Sammi
Respect your elders. What's your problem?
01:18:33
Steve
And everybody wants to like Jeremy. Everybody's like, oh, he's probably okay. He seems know. No.
01:18:39
Sammi
think that's the problem.
01:18:39
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:39
Sammi
I think it's just like a little too much nice guy for me. Do you know what I'm saying? And it's just like doesn't work.
01:18:44
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:45
Sammi
It's I don't know. um And I mean, part of the reason I liked him is because he and Jonathan seem to be buds, but That's not going to get you anywhere anymore. Sorry.
01:18:55
Sammi
And then, yeah, Jonathan's just being avoidant. This is when Brian's like, don't compliment me. I'm like, what the hell is going on with these men?
01:19:02
Steve
Shut up, Brian.
01:19:04
Sammi
You all need therapy. um um But yeah, anyway, so then, okay, we get to the rose ceremony, right? And so Bailey has the choice of who to keep and who to leave. And this is what I thought was going to happen. This is what I think is interesting is I thought, oh, if she doesn't pick Parisa, then Brian's going to go scorched earth and be like, I'm telling you, because the one redeeming quality that Brian has right now, the only redeeming quality he has right now,
01:19:33
Sammi
is he thinks very highly of Bailey and he's very protective of Bailey and he does not like what Jeremy's doing, although he is still keeping bro code. So again, it's a tiny redeeming quality.
01:19:43
Sammi
It is not a full redeeming quality, but I think he's like,
01:19:44
Steve
yeah Also, we don't know if he actually respects Baylor if he's just like, i kind of want a bang her.
01:19:48
Sammi
Or if he's just trying to look good or, yeah, trying to get with her right? That might be what happens, right? I think it could happen.
01:19:54
Steve
Yeah.
01:19:54
Sammi
But he's like, she's so cool. Like, I just, like, think the world of her whatever.
01:19:58
Steve
Shut up, Brian.
01:19:59
Sammi
And I don't like, yeah, if it's honest or not, whatever. I'm just saying the only tiny, tiny redeeming quality he has is that he is... Like basically firing warning shots at Jeremy. Like you better watch it.
01:20:12
Steve
Big
01:20:12
Sammi
Cause I will tell because you think I'm loyal. First of all, i didn't like you from day one and now we're rooming together. Okay. I will make sparks fly. And so I thought if for some reason, I thought that would mean that the rose ceremony would be that Bailey didn't pick Parisa. Yeah.
01:20:30
Sammi
And I was kind of surprised that she did.
01:20:32
Steve
no
01:20:33
Sammi
You know, she picked Parisa and she picked Faith. And and so Leslie and Big g went home.
01:20:39
Steve
big g
01:20:40
Sammi
And Big L, yeah, who went home. And, you know, Leslie was so sweet. Like, she had said to Bailey, like, I'll love you regardless. Don't worry. Like, maybe i feel like she and Gary were so nice that it was like an easy way to get them gone, you know?
01:20:59
Steve
Yeah.
01:21:00
Sammi
So they maybe even wrote their own ticket at that point, but they were just like, it's okay. Like make the choice you got to make. I honestly, I think I would have picked Faith and Kim to go because they live in the same place.
01:21:12
Steve
the
01:21:13
Sammi
So I feel like it would have been easier
01:21:14
Steve
Yeah, it would have been way easier. You live with the same fucking cow.
01:21:16
Sammi
Like, logistically, these are, would have been like, well why don't you go home and go hang out in Washington?
01:21:17
Steve
Yeah.
01:21:20
Steve
Yeah. you
01:21:21
Sammi
Like, they're the closest to each other because, like, I don't even know. do you know where Gary lives? I don't know where Gary lives. But, like, Leslie's in the Twin Cities.
01:21:26
Steve
Oh, no clue.
01:21:28
Sammi
um
01:21:29
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:21:29
Sammi
And so it's, like, wherever. Gosh, now I don't. Yeah, I'm not sure where he lives. Okay.
01:21:37
Sammi
But i I don't think they're like, you know, close locationally to each other or anything like that. As far as I know, I'm trying to find Gary Levenson.
01:21:47
Sammi
Levingston. Where do you live, Gary? He does have good headshots and very kind eyes. You know, i get it.
01:21:55
Steve
He does.
01:21:56
Sammi
Yeah.
01:21:57
Steve
He's a nice guy. He's funny.
01:21:57
Sammi
he's ah He's a chairman.
01:21:58
Steve
He's a bad gambler.
01:22:00
Sammi
He's a chairman and a president and CEO of Gary Lovingson Productions.
01:22:04
Steve
so ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho, ho,
01:22:05
Sammi
He's in California, Palm Desert, California. Oh my gosh, I forgot I was logged in as my client. So now it's going to be like your client saw looked at this LinkedIn profile.
01:22:15
Steve
ho, ho. ho, ho,
01:22:16
Sammi
Oops, sorry.
01:22:16
Steve
ho, ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho. ho, ho, ho, ho,
01:22:20
Sammi
He's going to be like, why did this random person look at my, hey, maybe he wants to invest. Who knows?
01:22:26
Steve
Yeah.
01:22:26
Sammi
Anyway, Gary, if you see that, ah I'm like, I better log into my own LinkedIn profile. Because I do tend to look at Bachelor contestants while we're on LinkedIn while we're on here. So, like okay.
01:22:41
Sammi
Anyway. Sorry about that. um So yeah, that was interesting. So he's in California. Leslie's in the Twin Cities. It would be just tougher for them to connect.
01:22:52
Sammi
So that's that would have been the move. If I was Bailey, I would have made that move just thinking strategically and feeling like I could make the most people happy.
01:22:57
Steve
Yeah.
01:22:59
Sammi
But I also understand she did give um Faith and Kim more time to get to know each other.
01:23:07
Steve
This is true.
01:23:07
Sammi
So that is one thing. And maybe she also did think... That even though like Gary messed it up right at the end, they did they did do pretty well up until then. So it could also be a strategic move.
01:23:22
Steve
Also true.
01:23:23
Sammi
Because bri like Brian and Parisa don't really pose any threat right now. And Kim and Faith just don't know each other well enough to pose a threat. So I don't know if she was thinking strategically, perhaps that's how she did it as well.
01:23:37
Sammi
um But i think Bailey really showed how kind hearted she was on this. And then that just made me like angrier.
01:23:44
Steve
You
01:23:45
Sammi
because i was just like jeremy you better you better actually be nice better be nice to her but she did say something this is um from reality tv world um but she what was she i can't remember what she was on oh of course the vile files oh my gosh Oh, Nick. Anyway, so she said something like, I think everyone can relate. Watching it back is such an interesting thing.
01:24:07
Sammi
I feel like you're watching it real time and you have no idea these things happened. I honestly think I was so focused on Bachelor in Paradise when I was there. I wasn't thinking about watching it back later.
01:24:18
Sammi
It's definitely been hard to watch it back. I'm obviously not going to lie. It's been rough to watch this happen. Um, but she did say, let's see. i understand the thoughts of doubt. I thought that was really hard to watch somebody doubt you when you know how you're feeling.
01:24:33
Sammi
But I also feel like, you know, i just have to be okay watching it back. I just have to be okay processing it because I remember how I felt in the moment and I don't regret my feelings and how I was moving. yeah. Um,
01:24:46
Sammi
yeah um
01:24:51
Sammi
Oh, Frankenbiting. Yeah. Amid speculation. i've i that I've never heard that term, but that makes sense. like
01:24:57
Steve
What?
01:24:57
Sammi
Like weird cuts and stuff, like weird editing.
01:25:00
Steve
Oh.
01:25:01
Sammi
Yeah. Amid speculation, Frankenbiting had made Jeremy look bad. Brian recently confirmed on Bachelor Happy Hour that the editing of his conversation with Jeremy about Susie was completely accurate.
01:25:05
Steve
Yeah.
01:25:13
Sammi
But instead of bashing Jeremy, Bailey seemed to almost defend him. um Yeah, that's what. Yeah, she said not everything that happened was shown. Well, I mean, that always happened.
01:25:22
Steve
know
01:25:22
Sammi
um Yeah, she's just remembering how good the date was. um It's such a short time um She but she wishes Jeremy hadn't processed his feelings out loud.
01:25:34
Sammi
That's what I'm saying. It's like even if you say, oh, tricky editing, it's like there are so many things that he said on the show that he did not have to say.
01:25:34
Steve
yeah
01:25:42
Steve
Oh, completely.
01:25:43
Sammi
So there's no amount of like chopping. It would have to be to like the Homer Simpson degree of like saying sweet can or whatever with the gummy bean is to Milo.
01:25:53
Sammi
Like it would have to be that chopped for it to to be like a victim of editing. I think I just don't think there's any amount of editing that makes him.
01:26:00
Steve
Well, it's like old oldest reality TV excuse in the book.
01:26:05
Sammi
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
01:26:06
Steve
I got the villain at it.
01:26:08
Sammi
And it's also like you sign all of these papers. You fill out hundreds of pages of information. and you so this is not a new thing anymore. We've been doing this for 30 years, you know, just about.
01:26:17
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:26:21
Sammi
um Okay, maybe 25. I'll give them that. But for a long time, right? And you sign papers that say, like, I agree to, like, let go of however you make me look.
01:26:35
Sammi
And you own the right to all these things and you can arrange this and serve this up in any way you see fit. And I do not have any say or recourse about it.
01:26:41
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:26:46
Sammi
You know, it's like even if someone speaks out too much about the edits, they'll get like from Bachelor and be like, oh, you should probably take that down. So, you know, it's like we know that. But also the thing that I always think about is if you said something and we also see you and your face is moving, your lips are moving when you say it.
01:27:09
Sammi
It's like, oh. Like that's not ADR. That's not, you know, I don't know.
01:27:14
Steve
Yep.
01:27:14
Sammi
You said that. You said that. So whether they coerce you into saying it or you said it of your own free will, like you said it. So anyway, that's that's the biggest thought that I have right now. Any other closing thoughts before we um close here and prepare for next week?
01:27:32
Steve
No, i and I'm annoyed by this season. i
01:27:36
Sammi
ah
01:27:37
Steve
i don't like the setup. I don't like the the pieces that are in place right now. So I want pure chaos. I want couples breaking up left and right. I want Lord of the Flies shit.
01:27:45
Sammi
her
01:27:47
Steve
This is the only thing that's going to save this season is pure chaos. So.
01:27:50
Sammi
I like that. I like that idea. Pure chaos.
01:27:52
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:27:53
Sammi
I do feel like chaos is coming. they They tease it for next week.
01:27:56
Steve
Lord willing.
01:27:57
Sammi
Like people coming out of booths and you know, because wasn't it wasn't it a clip of like Brian trying to shoot a shot with Bailey?
01:28:05
Steve
Maybe.
01:28:05
Sammi
Or what was that?
01:28:05
Steve
I don't know.
01:28:06
Sammi
I don't know.
01:28:07
Steve
that's they See, they they do get you on those edits when they're like, next week on The Bachelor!
01:28:07
Sammi
but can't remember.
01:28:11
Steve
And they turn something...
01:28:11
Sammi
everybody is going to break down and freak out. And I'm like, oh my God.
01:28:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:28:16
Sammi
And then it's like one person cries about a nice thing. And you're like, oh, you got me again.
01:28:20
Steve
There
01:28:21
Sammi
Yeah. But we'll see. Maybe there'll be actual drama. ah But we'll try to fit in as many episodes as we can before I can't talk good. Um, and then we'll see you on the other side of that.
01:28:32
Sammi
So until next time, friends, it's muggy out there.
01:28:33
Steve
you go.
01:28:37
Sammi
It's not even corn sweats anymore. It's just hot. So, you know, hydrate or dehydrate, take care of yourself, pace yourself if you're going to go on long walks.
01:28:46
Steve
ah don't do needle drugs wipe your ass that's a good one yeah it's it's swampy outside you know it's just
01:28:52
Sammi
Yes. Yeah. That's always good advice. Oh, that's true.
01:29:00
Sammi
D. Swampify.
01:29:02
Steve
De-swampify your butt. De-swampify your butt. De-swampify. De-swampify. De-swampify your butt.