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Rose Plate Special: Bachelor in Paradise, Episodes 1-4

Pop Culture Diner
Pop Culture Diner

68 plays · Jul 26, 2025

OMG, officially Season 20 of the show! Did you think we'd miss it? We cover the first four episodes of Paradise, so you get a LOT of disjointed content. Here are the TikToks Sammi talked about in the episode. For the payoff, you'll have to listen all the way to the end! * Have You Ever Had a Krispy Kreme?  [https://www.tiktok.com/@akorzen/video/7009659474126376198?lang=en] * Krispy Kreme Explainer [https://www.tiktok.com/@akorzen/video/7427517104938634527]

Transcript

Sammi: Hello, I'm Sammy.

Steve: Hello! And I'm Steve.

Sammi: And you're listening to Roseplate Special. You thought we deaded it, but we didn't. We're here. We'll do the first four. Yeah. Yeah.

Steve: I, ah maybe we should talk about that first. It's funny because we're going to do like ah the first four episodes kind of recap, but i I felt good that all the people on the show were like, what is he saying?

Sammi: Yeah. well you first for yeah yeah

Steve: And because I like to think like, I'm not young.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: Yeah. So there's certainly like words that I don't know, but I feel like culturally connected enough that I can most of time figure things out. And when he was saying it, was just like, I don't even know what the words are that are coming out of his mouth.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And then the other people in the show were like, we don't know what that is. And so he was saying deaded, D-E-A-D-E-D, which when you say deaded it, it sounds like Porky Pig to me. Like that's how it was coming out.

Sammi: Yes.

Steve: Everyone is just like, we don't know what that is I Google it like mid episode, but he has said this 3000 times.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: um and i look it up and it's, it's like a specific kind of slang in phrase within reality show contestants that is sort of bled over a little bit into the broader internet, but it's such a terrible phrase and it doesn't sound nice.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: It doesn't roll off the tongue that there's a reason why it's not more broadly popular. So I'm saying it What you,

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, okay. So I will say I got called a young lady twice in the last two weeks, which made me feel ah really good.

Steve: Wow.

Sammi: And then I hear ma'am and then I just like absolutely crumble into a pile of dust. But ah it's usually regional, so I don't take it personally. um But yeah, I knew what he meant when he said deaded it. it Because I know I've heard that in other reality shows, but he acted like...

Sammi: It's common sense. Like, but that's the thing.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Okay, so we've got, you know, Sam came on the show for like five seconds to try to be like, I'm different. And then he still just kept saying like rom-com things like everything.

Sammi: do you have original thoughts?

Steve: No, I'm sad that he's not...

Sammi: You just seem like an AI. just He didn't get it. He didn't redeem. I mean, he didn't, he wasn't awful or anything like that.

Steve: No, he's irredeemable.

Sammi: He was completely neutral, but like, he's still the, my biggest criticism of Sam was you are just saying things that sound nice that I, and I do not believe you mean them.

Steve: He's just... Yeah.

Sammi: And I just don't, I think they're just coming out of your mouth with zero processing.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: yeah, Dale is similar, um but the things that come out of his mouth are just gaslighting, you know. And we've got, yeah, Jeremy and like, it's just, I mean, like frustrating man after frustrating man.

Sammi: And then and and then Brian, you know, it's just like, hey,

Steve: Yeah. It's a real rogues gallery of people I'm not interested in.

Sammi: it's some rough stuff.

Steve: But I mean, at least if you're going to have these guys, like you're going to have Sam on who is unquestionably the Chet Hanks of bachelor nation, you got to keep them around longer.

Sammi: Yeah, I think he, I think that's the, okay. All right, let's start here. Let's start here.

Sammi: I was, so I'm really behind and I'm sorry. It's all my fault we haven't recorded because my computer went to shit and then I decided to go pick cherries and my nails are um on their way out, but I do have little cherries on my nails, if you see.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Well, i'm I'm not sorry, but I also blame Sammy. I, you know, that's, yeah, I'm i'm here to blame women for all my problems.

Sammi: It's all my fault, yeah. Well, that's what we're here for.

Steve: Mm-hmm. ah

Sammi: um so So anyway, yeah. So I – and I've been really behind because like when I was in Door County and I could have been watching Bachelor in Paradise, I decided to watch the latest ah season of White Lotus instead.

Sammi: So I'm sorry, but now I'm caught up on White Lotus.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: And so that's important for other reasons. um

Steve: I know we've we've already kind of gotten into a little bit of of who's on the island and who's dating who and what they're doing and how they're annoying us.

Sammi: Maybe –

Steve: But I feel like before we go any further, we need to address the elephant in the room, which is, yes.

Sammi: Yeah, the production change.

Steve: And this is...

Sammi: Right. That's where I was trying to go. Sorry.

Steve: this is This is what we've been saying. like

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: We've been saying the Bachelor as ah french a franchise, a brand, an entity seems to be in crisis. And there's different things that have been pointed out.

Sammi: ah her

Steve: So there's no new Bachelorette. ah There is a rollout, like a soft launch of the next golden Bachelor who everyone wants. already hates because he's he's like 66 and he's like i won't date anyone over 60 don't bring 60 year old women on the show which as a side note i think they should anyways in fact i think everyone should be over 60 and then figure out what he does watch him melt down uh but that being said we've heard things about how ratings are down etc etc now

Sammi: Yeah, he's a nightmare.

Sammi: yeah.

Sammi: Mm hmm. Yeah.

Steve: now The Bachelor has long been for the romantic reality TV show, kind of the standard bearer, the vanguard. ah they They created the blueprint for this stuff.

Sammi: Right, exactly.

Steve: You know, when you watch Love Island, like Bachelor in Paradise walks so Love Island could run. And here is the problem that I have. up Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, all these shows, they've always had this kind of, I won't say like rough necessarily, but a little bit more raw of a production style.

Sammi: ah her

Steve: It was never flashy. And they've evolved a little bit from that early 2000s style that was popularized by them and a lot of like the VH1 shows. So there's a little bit more pizzazz there than there was, but it was still very subtle, like subtle.

Steve: It wasn't it wasn't like overdone.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: And now what I'm seeing, and this, again, reinforces that the franchise is in crisis, is they are no longer the standard bearer.

Steve: They're chasing.

Sammi: Right.

Steve: And once you are so about to start a new season and you sit down and you're like, hey, ratings are down, we're in trouble, we've had all these issues, what do we do?

Sammi: Yes.

Steve: If you and your producers and your writers and your showrunners and whoever else are sitting around this table and you're saying, let's do this like them,

Sammi: Mm hmm.

Steve: then you've already run into a problem. Like you you're already already you're already cooked at that point. Forget about it. So, and that's what we're seeing.

Sammi: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like so shocked. I mean, okay, this is going going back in time into you know into the archives of reality TV show history. Yeah.

Sammi: I remember because I'm but I'm a young lady, but I'm also old enough to remember this.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um The Hills, like when the Hills started, that was like, oh, my God, like that was a leading thing that happened in reality TV because.

Steve: Yes.

Steve: Oh, huge moment.

Sammi: Even like Laguna Beach had a little bit higher production value than others, but it was still that like rough look. And I mean, if you look at like the original seasons of like The Housewives and all of that, like the shooting there is so different from how it is now. But even now, it's still a little it's not to the level of the hills.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: It's not to the level of like TOWIE and all that stuff.

Steve: Well, and this is very, the new Bachelor style, it's, I've heard it described as like a Netflix house style, which, you know, it's kind of love is blind adjacent.

Sammi: Yeah, very selling sunset. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: and And I haven't watched Love Island yet, but I'm like, I would imagine it's similar. It feels like that's what.

Steve: Yeah. Love Island is a little bit more raw, but it but this is is Love Island adjacent.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: But The Hills is a good touch point, because if you think about where reality television was and The Hills comes out and then you look at something like the real world, which, again, if we're talking about reality television, um you have to talk about the real world.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: like the real world and survivor, you know?

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And if you look at how those shows are shot and then you look at how The Hills is shot and The Hills sort of breaks your brain a little bit because it is halfway between scripted drama and reality show in terms of its aesthetic.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: and and presentation. And that's what we're getting here with The Bachelor. ah Whether it's everything from the from the intros to the vignettes to just how they shoot conversations.

Steve: I think the thing that really, really took me back was, um oh gosh, who was it? was one of the Goldens. This is going to drive me nuts. Oh, why am I blanking?

Sammi: Are you talking about like Gary's audio book narration?

Steve: Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary. Yeah. Yes, Gary.

Sammi: or yeah

Steve: When Gary came in, the The shift even more dramatically towards this like scripted drama stuff drove me nuts. Gary's voiceover, ah the editing as he's talking to the different women. And then when he goes on his date and this killed me, ah they're like doing salsa dancing and it starts raining.

Steve: And there's all these like like close ups and weird com composed shots.

Sammi: and Then he's like, yes.

Steve: And i don't I don't know what they're going with. They're trying to make it like cinematic or whatever, but it's it feels very like, oh, it started raining and they're like, OK, guys, go stand over there.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Do a little salsa dance. It was it's just really weird.

Sammi: Yeah, I think, you know, don't know why this came to mind, like Vanderpump Rules, you know, when they would do theatrical over the top things, because like everybody on the show has said more or less like, yeah, no, this is all real.

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: But sometimes we had to like recreate a conversation that they missed on camera. That's pretty normal ah for today's, you know, reality TV. Like, oh, we know you talked about that. Can you talk about it on camera? Whatever.

Sammi: um but they have said, like no, by and large, like all of this stuff was real, and now we find out there's even more that was happening behind the scenes we didn't even know about.

Steve: he

Sammi: right um But I can remember on several occasions, I feel like that show was really good with like kind of really funny, entertaining flashbacks that included a lot of actual things that happened and maybe some dramatized things, but they mixed it enough that you weren't like,

Sammi: pulled out of the show.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm thinking about what was that the very last season where they were like, recounting everything that happened before the cameras went back up, you know, and, and they're doing like these flashbacks and stuff.

Steve: Yeah. How

Sammi: And you're having like different people on the show narrate the different moments that happened. That was um kind of polarizing. I think some people didn't like it, but I was like, well, how else are they going to, they have to tell the story somehow.

Steve: are they going to know? Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And so they were like, so-and-so said this, and this person said this. And then you see like little clips here and there. A couple of them were real things they shot. A couple of them were reenactments, but they mix it together to just tell the story and get you to the next point.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And I think there's a big difference between that and yeah, like, Or like even the, um, that scene where Jesse's on a date, um, with who was she on a date with? Oh my gosh. Not Spencer, you know, or Jess. I mean, Jess is on a date with, um,

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Who the hell was she on a date with?

Steve: Whoever, not Spencer.

Sammi: I don't even remember.

Steve: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sammi: It was not Spencer. Wait, she was with Sam. She went on a date with Sam.

Steve: Yeah, she went on the Davis Dam.

Sammi: See, he was so forgettable on the show.

Steve: Yeah. Chad Hanks.

Sammi: My brain already.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: um Yeah, so she was on a date with Sam. We're trying to like cram four episodes into one. I'm like, what happened when? And like she was like, I can't help but thinking about Spencer. And then they did this like that. I actually thought was funny. I feel like they pulled it off. Well, where it's just like Spencer's head slow motioning into frame and him putting like a heart in the sand. Like was like,

Sammi: Okay, I see where you're going with that. But then, yeah, there's moments that they just... Because there is... Bachelor in Paradise is the cartoony version of The Bachelor. We watch it for the cartoony nature of things.

Sammi: But there's a big difference between, like, puppets... When Wells brings on puppets and there's a poop baby and just scary as well.

Sammi: um And people just reacting to to bugs.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: um And yeah, this weird, you know, it's like rom-com dream sequence where people are making out, but they're not actually making out in real life.

Sammi: And, but then they actually did it because they had to film it. It's bizarre.

Steve: it's It's strange.

Sammi: I, it's kind of off-putting, I have to say.

Steve: And the the other part, too, that I think needs some consideration is, in my mind, with Bachelor in Paradise, ah the island itself, like paradise, is its own character.

Steve: And it it really feels like this sort of isolated and and raw space, even though I know it's, you know, probably 10 feet off the beach or a bunch of like resorts in Mexico or whatever.

Sammi: Yeah. yeah

Steve: But The fact that they're living in these un-air-conditioned little hut things, and there's like six of them in a room, and they're constantly like sweaty, and there's bugs everywhere.

Steve: and it i don't know. there's There's something to that. Or when the crabs are all over the place.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's.

Steve: And it's almost like you're trapped on this island and there it's, there's extra motivation. Like you're, you're all gross and you're sweaty and you're deserted here and you have to find love. And so it's paradise, but it's also like, you're not distracted by the comforts of the world.

Sammi: Mm hmm.

Steve: And now they shift to, I don't know, like every generic Hilton resort anyone has ever been to in Punta Cana or something like that.

Sammi: Costa Rica.

Steve: Costa Rica, no, no, but I'm just saying like, like to choose, spin a wheel, spin a wheel, choose your tropical destination.

Sammi: They, oh, it's like they're a coaster. Yeah.

Sammi: Right.

Steve: and And this is like, oh, the Hyatt Palms in ah Cancun. Like you've been here. It's this just bland white aesthetic. Everybody gets their own hotel room.

Steve: Everything feels very just sanitized and not special and not weird and not silly.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And that also sort of robs the show of a little bit of its magic and and what makes it different compared to The Bachelor.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Uh-huh.

Sammi: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's nice. like ah well Because that's why I was like, they can't have the Goldens on in the original Paradise setting. There's absolutely no way.

Steve: No.

Sammi: Because...

Steve: No. Jack would start looking like, well, speaking of Chet Hanks, how about Tom Hanks? start looking like Tom Hanks in Castaway. No.

Sammi: Yeah, it would just not be good. He'd be like, there's no women here, and also, I can't get any AC.

Steve: no

Sammi: What's going on? He'd be really upset. And so, it was...

Steve: Yeah. How am I supposed to crush ass when there's crabs everywhere?

Sammi: yeah

Sammi: Yeah, I don't...

Steve: And not the kind I'm used to getting.

Sammi: But like...

Steve: um Jack, I love you. I know you're watching.

Sammi: jack Jack, you are an icon and I miss you already.

Steve: I love you.

Sammi: I really do.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: But yeah, it's like... Sorry, I'm trying to grab my footrest and I realize I probably look weird. um Yeah, so it's like I... This is what I said. I'm like, the Goldens aren't going to be able to be on the beach. I predicted that before the show started. I'm like, it's got to be a different setting.

Sammi: they've or they've got to...

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: The younger people are going to be on the beach and the older people will be at a resort nearby. That's what I said. Close, close. and or Or I said a cruise ship, which is what they should have done.

Steve: have done the cruise ship.

Sammi: Put them on like a little river cruise, you know, like a smaller, more intimate cruise ship.

Steve: Yeah, which I think would have worked great, too, because there is you you get that isolation and that kind of confinement, even if you're on a big cruise ship like those cabins aren't big and the boat's a lot smaller than you think it is.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And it's you can really kind of squish them in there and give them that same sort of. just natural claustrophobia. Now you're not going to have crabs all over you and there's probably going to be air conditioning, but it would be, ah it would have been a good way to accommodate the goldens while still maybe maintaining some of that.

Steve: And they could have like, Oh, here's a port. And then you just go to the beach in Costa Rica and we do like adventures and and there's date cards and things like there's, there's ways to do that.

Sammi: Yeah, exactly. And that i would

Steve: And maybe, you know, I don't know.

Sammi: it would have been so cool. Like, I don't know why they didn't transition to a cruise ship. Because first of all, like, no one's doing that. So it would have been original. Producers, you should listen to me. And, you know...

Sammi: Yeah, and you could put everybody on the same boat and it would still be interesting. There's plenty of areas on a cruise ship where you could do activities and things like that, like all the love tests and whatever.

Sammi: And then, yeah, like once you land somewhere, then, you know, yeah, then it's time for the special date, the excursion.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: But Yeah, I mean, i feel like there there's been a lot of ah it's very hot. It's very uncomfortable.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: People seem to have a lot of digestive issues. But again, like Survivor's been a show for how many years? You know, like you are still getting like any food and drinks you want and all of that. Like it's not the worst thing.

Sammi: And kind of the part that it does make it fun is people get for us. It's good TV that people are like sweaty and irritable.

Steve: Oh, yeah.

Sammi: And and they just don't know how to you know, handle the pressure.

Steve: Brings out the drama.

Sammi: And I feel like it helps people bond more.

Steve: It's...

Sammi: Like, I feel like especially the women bond really well in that scenario because they're all crammed in a small space and they're all like, you know, i feel like they didn't have a lot of like bathroom space and like it's kind of like, yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Steve: No, I want trauma bonding. I want sweaty people. I want crippling boredom. I want all of that. I want anger.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Let the emotions flow.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And, you know, this is like we said, it's it's kind of a wasted opportunity because once you decide, OK, so we're going to add the Goldens and that's a little bit of a wrinkle. But then how do we further evolve the show?

Steve: And what they've done instead, and I'm going to officially coin this phrase, ready? We're going to call it the reverse cousin Oliver. So ah if you if you ever watch TV, ah like like way back when, say like in the 90s when they would show like old TV shows on Nickelodeon, you probably saw the Brady Bunch, or maybe you're familiar with the Brady Bunch.

Steve: And what the Brady Bunch set the template for, which was then mimicked by television shows for decades and still to this day, is if your show has been popular, but it started to wane in popularity, then oftentimes they would infuse a new character, usually a child, and they'd be like, look at the precocious child, because everybody else had kind of grown up.

Steve: So yeah, like Poochie on The Simpsons.

Sammi: Yeah, this is like Poochie. That's the approximation.

Steve: Yeah, when they bring in Poochie, the cool skateboard dog.

Sammi: Bring in Poochie.

Steve: Yeah, so one of the first shows, and I'm not going to say the first, because then some media scholar will be like, well i actually, which I don't need in my life right now,

Sammi: Yeah, there was another character like that.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: thing lee The Brady Bunch brought in this character, Cousin Oliver, who was just this little this little boy because all the kids had kind of grown up and he was just this little blonde kid with glasses. And oh, he got into some trouble again.

Steve: And nobody gave a shit about Cousin Oliver. And eventually the show went off the air. But shows continue to try this. So now what we're doing is we're bringing in the Goldens.

Steve: But instead of like. rethinking about what the franchise can be, we have simply plopped old people in sanitized, dumb, dumb paradise.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And i kind of hate it.

Sammi: Yeah, I just, yeah, I think it would have been so cool to do it a different way. And like either, you like I said, either they stay on the beach, but the Goldens are nearby and they come visit and whatever.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um Because I do like some of the inter, like I feel like the intergenerational stuff isn't like, hasn't been that weird yet. And I don't think it will be. I think it's going to stay the way it is.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: Like it's, I think it's funny that April is the cougar. And I think it's funny that Jonathan's playing into it.

Steve: i love that yeah survival instinct you got to do it yeah yeah well well sorry sorry the the last thing i want to say before we can you know get into who's coupling up with who and what's going on on the island and everything uh

Sammi: And, it It all feels like very fine. Yeah, it's not bad. Like it's sweet. It's it's funny. It's whatever. And yeah. Oh, go ahead.

Steve: i I was like, I have one last thing to say, and then I completely forgot it. ah Shoot, it's going to bother me.

Sammi: Was it about the locations? Was it about intergenerational hangs?

Steve: intergenerational acts. No, oh, here's what it was.

Sammi: No. Oh.

Steve: We mentioned Survivor.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: We're like, oh yeah, like Survivor. This is another one that's been around for a long time. And there's a show that's you know evolved in subtle ways and still remains relatively popular.

Sammi: Mm-hmm.

Steve: ah So much so that everyone was sitting around at the writer's table for The Bachelor and they said, why don't we just do Survivor halfway through? Because the tease at the end of the latest episode is now we do contests.

Sammi: Yep.

Steve: it's It's traitors, it's Survivor, it's other stuff.

Sammi: But they he did mention it's like Bachelor Pad but different because they did do that on Bachelor Pad, if you remember.

Steve: Yeah. They did. Yes. Yes.

Sammi: Like, that was what that was what was weird is Bachelor Pad was what started Paradise.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: So we had like, I don't know, what was it? Maybe three seasons of Bachelor Pad, two or three.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And it was crazy.

Steve: i think there's only two. Famously short-lived Bachelor bed.

Sammi: It was not very good. And it was like, and that was like, they weren't out in like paradise land.

Steve: No.

Sammi: It was like a hotel or resort, you know, something like that.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Cause they had like a pool and things like that.

Steve: Yep.

Sammi: I remember. And it's been so long. I just remember like Vienna was on it, you know, i think those are the things I remember, but they had, and like, didn't Jake and Vienna like reunite on the beach. And then there was also like that garden protect your heart guy. Anyway.

Sammi: So yeah, Oh, God, I would love to. We should rewatch those. But yeah, so they had like, they had like competitions and things like that.

Steve: and God, yeah.

Sammi: And it was kind of like, are you here for love? Or are you here for money? Right? So they they did that before.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: So they're bringing that back. um But like, I just... When it comes to ratings, I would guess that Bachelor in Paradise tends to do fairly well because, i don't know, because it is funny. It's like, it's like and it's not riding on you really liking one person.

Steve: Yeah. And it's, it's the gateway drug to this stuff because it's, it's goofy and there's multiple relationships going on.

Sammi: Yes. Yes.

Steve: There's more natural conflict because of how the show is set up. So if I'm trying to bachelor pill someone into eating cheese with me and drinking a bottle of wine and yelling at the television, I usually start with bachelor in paradise.

Sammi: Yeah, it's it's a really good way.

Steve: That's, I mean, that's the way to do it.

Sammi: And I mean, I still say bring back Winter Games. God, loved Winter Games so much.

Steve: yeah Winter Games is awesome.

Sammi: Like...

Steve: Shout out to Yuki, queen of the Winter Games.

Sammi: It was so fun. It was. i and I think that's what I like about Paradise, too, is it's there is a lot of drama, but it is fun to see how much people have fun with each other and they, you know, and how well they get along and all those things and the little games that they make up to have fun.

Sammi: I feel like we get to see so much more of that than we do on The Bachelor or Bachelorette. And that's another thing I feel like is severely missing from the season. Like we had Leslie doing the water aerobics, which I actually thought was really fun.

Sammi: But we haven't seen a lot of it.

Steve: Yeah,

Sammi: And it's just all the random things where it's like everybody makes a running joke out of one thing and, you know, does a skit about it or whatever. Or like Raven did that what that mouth do game or whatever.

Steve: yeah.

Steve: me

Sammi: It's like it's all those little things or Alex. Was it Alexis who did the like the dolphin stuff? Remember?

Steve: yeah yeah

Sammi: And like they were. God, I feel like she was like. They did something in the pool. I can't remember what it was, but I just remember they were being like goofy in the pool. Like it was just like little things like that that just happened all the time because there was nowhere else to be either.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Like there's sometimes where I feel like they're filming and I'm like, where is everybody? There's like two people over here.

Steve: yeah Something like that.

Sammi: And in the normal paradise setting, it's like they're all crammed together. And if someone needs to get away, it's like, I don't know, maybe they're napping, but it's kind of too hot to nap. Or maybe they're just, you know, trying to deliver a poop baby or whatever.

Sammi: So it's just, it's just been like, I mean, the setting is beautiful. I would go there on, you know, to stay at a nice resort, I guess. And the food looks good and all of that.

Sammi: But yeah, it's just like, it's so sanitized. And, and I think they really missed the mark for what they thought people would be interested in seeing. Although I haven't really, I've looked up a few things, but not really anything about like audience perception on anything.

Sammi: tried to come in fresh, but yeah. Anyway, so we have four episodes to catch up on. I mean, what do we want to do? Just kind of talk about the current state of the couples and like work our way backwards? Or what do we want to do?

Steve: Yeah, I guess so. we can We can go couple by couple or dude by dude, lady by lady, whatever works best

Sammi: Okay, so I mean, so at the end of of episode four, um we've got, wait, do I, wait, didn't they have a rose ceremony? Oh, yeah, they had it like midway through, didn't they?

Steve: Yeah, the ladies the ladies chose this time.

Sammi: um Okay, so Okay, yeah. I didn't actually have very many notes for this, but I remember them. And so I'm going to think and write them down now so that um I don't forget. So it was Jess and and... my God, why did I just blank? Because I'm trying to write and think at the same time.

Sammi: That guy who sucks. um

Steve: Brian? Which one?

Sammi: No, Kat and... ah Dale.

Steve: Oh, Dale.

Sammi: I was like...

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: My brain kept saying Dean, and I'm like, it's not Dean.

Steve: No, it's just, no, it's not Dean. It's Dale.

Sammi: It's a Dale.

Steve: beautiful Beautiful eyes, empty head.

Sammi: Oh my gosh.

Steve: I was just, I was just raised differently from you, which is why I say things that are stupid. What does that mean?

Sammi: There's a lot of open land in South Dakota and also between my ears. um

Steve: What, what is wrong with him? Like the dead-ed-it thing. And then he's just, and then she's like, Hey, well, yeah.

Sammi: Okay, this will give me time to think. Thank you.

Steve: So let me talk about ah cat and Dale cat. I love cause cat's great TV and,

Sammi: I loved Kat. I loved her last season, um big but I really do. It does show that she's done a lot of therapy.

Steve: Oh, she, yeah, she, no, that's, that's the thing. It's like, i was like, oh, she seems chilled out here, but you could still see the, uh, the emotional, like instability bubbling over a little bit, but she's wonderful.

Sammi: And good for her.

Steve: She's good TV.

Sammi: She's done so much internal work. I'm so proud of her.

Steve: Yeah, she is.

Sammi: She's really putting up with some ah grade A bullshit, and she's being very patient about it.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And she shouldn't be, but ah but she's great.

Steve: She's, she's well behaved. No, but still has time to spiral. Don't worry. Uh, but,

Sammi: That's true. She could.

Steve: Yeah, like so Dale does a very paradise thing, which is there's another girl and she's hot. And this is Ali Jo.

Steve: And she also has pretty eyes. And so they get to talking and he's like, you have pretty eyes. i have pretty eyes. We should make out. And they do. And he doesn't really talk to Kat about this.

Steve: And then later he comes around and he's like, yeah, so I made out with Ellie Jo, no big deal.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.

Steve: i i dedicated did it. And she's like, oh, well, that's bad. I feel bad. Maybe you should have told me about that. And he goes, no, I did it. And she's like, I don't know what those words mean. Could you use words that I did? And he goes, no, I did it.

Steve: And then he kind of switches gears and he's frustrated that she doesn't know what the dumb phrase is. So then Dale's move is to say, well, I was just raised differently than you.

Steve: What were you raised differently to do?

Sammi: Yeah, be gross, the not communicate well.

Steve: i Be weird? Yeah, like... ah Again, it's paradise. It's fine. You can kiss everybody. But what you do is, is you let the other person know. And if they're mad because you kiss someone else, you at the very least go, ah, yeah, you kind of got me there.

Steve: But he's like, no, I didn't do anything wrong. And I shouldn't have told you because I was raised differently. It's he's got a cross stitch above his bedroom door that says in this house, we act like fuck boys. What?

Sammi: and yeah it's just I mean I feel like there is a like a fuckboy epidemic for sure okay

Steve: Yeah. And you can be a fuck boy or a fuck girl or a fuck anything you want on Paradise.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: That's the purpose.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: That's the purpose. But you just have to talk to people.

Sammi: Yeah. I just, there's something about it that's just so strange. Like he, and then, uh, the other thing that was really, we'll get back to the couples. The other thing that was really gross was, um when she was like, when Kat was like, listen, I'm not done talking.

Sammi: yeah Okay. Don't interrupt me. Which is like, honestly, that's one of my biggest pet peeves too. I'm like, you just have to let me say all my things and then you can go, but it might take a while. Um, and then he said, oh, you remind me of my ex.

Steve: Just, he's he's really just...

Sammi: And listen, like not to say I haven't done that, but like that speaks to being an unhealed person. That's what I'm saying. Like, don't say that.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Don't say that to somebody.

Steve: I would also, i would counsel anyone, if you're talking to someone that you are romantically involved with, and you have that thought for one reason or another,

Sammi: It's not going to work.

Steve: ah whether it's something good or something bad they did. Maybe don't just immediately blurt that out.

Sammi: Right. Well, you know, it's like what I learned in therapy um was, oh, you're going to recognize these patterns, but this is a completely new person.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: you can't treat them like the old person is going to do the same thing just because this new person did one thing.

Steve: Exactly. Just because your your ex-boyfriend liked peanut butter toast and the new guy likes peanut butter toast doesn't mean he's going to cheat on you.

Sammi: And you can't. Yeah.

Steve: He just likes peanut butter toast.

Sammi: Right. Right. Like we don't need to anomalise the situation. Do you know what I'm saying? um Spoilers. um So for a very old movie that you should have seen by now, go see Anomalisa.

Steve: Yeah. so

Sammi: What's wrong with you?

Steve: Excellent reference from a decade ago.

Sammi: It's one my favorite movies. Right. Thank you. um Anyway, so yeah, I mean, that was really gross. Okay, I think I got all the couples who are currently on the beach. Let me know if I miss anybody. Oh, wait, I miss one of the golden couples.

Sammi: Okay. um I think I have everybody now. Okay, Jess and Spencer, Kat and Dale.

Steve: Yeah, Jess and Spencer doing fine. I got I got no problem with them.

Sammi: Yeah, I don't know if anything's going to shake that. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah, like Spencer, I'm I'm kind of like mostly neutral on he seems nice enough.

Sammi: Oh,

Steve: ah Same thing with with Jess. These are two people I'm completely neutral on and let them enjoy their company with each other, I guess.

Sammi: Wait, who are you completely neutral on?

Steve: Spencer and Jess, they're they're fine.

Sammi: Oh, i thought you said ah I thought you said a second couple.

Steve: Like on, on their seasons, I was just like, eh, yeah.

Sammi: Sorry.

Steve: So as a couple, like they're good, but like, I don't, I'm not deeply invested in either one of them as individuals and neither one of them seems like the type of person who's going to stir up some shit.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: That'll make me laugh. So yeah, they might as well stay together.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah, I think they're fine. I mean, I always liked Spencer. And I was like, so, so on Jess, but and I think she's fine.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Steve: Although if I was a producer, i would I would go sicko mode on them because they're the strongest couple. So I would, anyone who I'm rolling out into paradise right now, I would specifically lob grenades at their relationship, ah whether it's hunky dudes or hot chicks.

Sammi: Right. Well, and that's what the that's what the original show does. We'll see if they do it. um

Steve: It's like, oh, you're doing great.

Sammi: Well, let's bring in someone really good.

Steve: Let me destroy you.

Sammi: um

Steve: Let's test your relationship.

Sammi: um Yeah. so So it's those two. And then Bailey and Jeremy, which we will have to get into at some point because Jesus Christ.

Steve: Oh, Jeremy, the worst.

Sammi: Jeremy, I was really rooting for you and I'm really upset. Yeah.

Steve: i've I've never liked him. i This is...

Sammi: I know you didn't, but i i i I thought he was kind of a little like messy in a fun way.

Steve: this is

Sammi: And now he's just messy in a not fun way.

Steve: Yeah, it is pretty cool, though, like when, you know, again, it's the point of the show.

Sammi: Mm

Steve: You've been dating someone on Paradise for five minutes and then someone else shows up and they're I think going to go on this date. And they tell you because that's what you're supposed to do.

Sammi: hmm.

Steve: And then you completely spiral, which if you're upset, you're upset. That's fine. But then your response is on camera to say, I wish Susie would come back so I could go. I could smoochie her because you took her.

Sammi: Yeah, that was so bad.

Steve: Right.

Sammi: so bad.

Steve: What? What are you doing, dude? You can't. And let me call her right now. And then she's like, no, you doofus.

Sammi: Yeah, that was that was really weird. OK, I mean, okay maybe we should just get into this now. We're never going to get the full list. We're just going topic by topic.

Steve: We're just, we're just, yeah, we're going to have to just bounce between all these people.

Sammi: So. Listen, friends, it's going to be chaotic. It's worth 33 minutes in.

Steve: It's fine.

Sammi: um So, okay. This is one thing that I thought was interesting. And maybe... And I don't know if it's like the filming or my memory is different or what. But I feel like...

Sammi: To me, energy-wise, Alex is higher energy ah in Paradise than she was on the show. like She had a bubbly personality, but I feel like she cranked it up and like her anxiety is at a million.

Sammi: I feel like Alex is exactly how I would be on the beach.

Steve: Oh, yeah.

Sammi: So no judgments.

Steve: Yeah. Oh, she is vibrating with anxiety.

Sammi: I see a lot of myself in her. Yeah.

Steve: She's like...

Sammi: like I'm just like um was like, oh, just kidding. Yeah.

Steve: it's like It's like instead of blood, she just has angry bees in her veins, and she's like, ah!

Sammi: it She's good be. I'm just like, oh, my God, I understand that nervous energy and I would be very similar.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm hmm.

Sammi: um But I feel like she wasn't as high energy on Grant's season. And then with Bailey, I felt like she was higher energy on The Bachelor and she's like more chilled out in Paradise. Have you noticed that?

Steve: Mm hmm. Yep.

Sammi: i I just feel like anyway, I thought that was interesting. Like and and again, like Parisa, I was so excited for her to go full weirdo and she has not gotten there yet, which is really.

Steve: Oh, no, she's just hot girl.

Sammi: Yeah. Which is so disappointing because I loved when she was like, here's my because like I wanted her to be like, OK, everybody, we're going to make vision boards by the pool. OK, everybody, we're going to learn about crystals by the pool. Like that's what I wanted from her.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: Because I'm like, you this is I was like, Parisa, this is your element.

Steve: yeah you can't just be hot either like in a sea of hot girls be a weird girl mm-hmm

Sammi: Like you are where you need to be. And.

Sammi: Yes, and she is a weird girl. That's what I'm saying. It's like when Dean was like, I'm not going to tell you, I'm never going to let this go. And he was like, all this tattoo, this Triforce tattoo. Don't worry about it.

Sammi: Don't worry. It doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything.

Steve: Yeah, you got a Triforce tattoo?

Sammi: It's a Zelda tattoo. What the hell is wrong with you?

Steve: Yeah, you just want to talk about it because you're embarrassed and you have no confidence.

Sammi: Yeah, because he was like, I'm trying to get with this hot girl, you know?

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: That was when he was trying to get with, what's her name?

Steve: I

Sammi: not Not Kaylin, who he ended up with, but gosh, I'm trying to remember her name. I don't know, probably something Joe or something like that.

Steve: i don't even know.

Sammi: Anyway, but...

Steve: A different Ellie Jo. Yeah.

Sammi: Oh, gosh, what was her name? I can like see her face and I cannot remember her name. But anyway, um yeah, it's like I feel like she just I mean, she did like a little exercise, like a let's improv together, which is like the weirdest thing she's done.

Steve: Yeah. Yep.

Sammi: But I expected her to like and I thought she was going to bring April level energy to the beach.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: That's what I wanted. And I'm not getting it. And i hate it. And I'm upset about it. So already, and I'm like, don't, I think maybe she is, was doing some of those things and they are not showing them or they're not encouraging it, which again, bad TV.

Sammi: Let her do her weird stuff. It's be like, do you want to do a craft with everybody?

Steve: yep

Sammi: She'd be like, oh my God, yes. Let's all scrapbook together.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: She already said she loves these things.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Anyway, they're not using Parisa to her fullest potential at all. um I don't even remember where I was going. Oh, energy. Yeah. So like, that's what's interesting is like, I feel like Bailey is like mellow in this paradise setting, perhaps too mellow because she's like, I'm not worried about what's going on with Jeremy.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: I also though, I, and I don't know the sequence of events or whatever, but it looks like in a future episode, she's going to be told what Jeremy said.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: One thing that I think is so not great is we saw footage that the women were talking about, like how what the things Jeremy was saying. I don't know if they knew everything that he said, but they obviously knew he wasn't happy.

Steve: yeah But they were like, Oh!

Sammi: Yeah. And it's like, I think you should probably tell her that. I don't know why you didn't. Like, that was just kind of strange to me.

Sammi: Unless they were, like, not confirmed or whatever.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: or Maybe they're not close. I don't know. But I was just like, I would have wanted to know that to make an informed decision.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Because the thing that is interesting, and I know that this does happen every season on Paradise, although i feel like people are being sneakier about it too their other person.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um

Steve: Yep.

Sammi: That people are saying just anything to stay.

Steve: Yep.

Sammi: I feel like it's worse than it's been before.

Steve: Yep.

Sammi: Am I wrong?

Steve: No, it's, it seems that way.

Sammi: It just feels worse.

Steve: It just, yeah, it kind of feels worse.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Well, and I think it might've been a slight miscalculation by the, the the production team, although it did work out for some good drama, but I think it could have been juicier because Susie was an excellent grenade to throw because Justin was there.

Sammi: Holy cow.

Steve: And then of course the, the Jeremy thing ended up happening. But I think if Justin wasn't really into his relationship that much, it didn't seem like, like,

Sammi: No, and I don't know if Lexi was either.

Steve: Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't it wasn't fair to Lexi, but also this it should have been another thing where he just talked to her it just like, this is not going to work.

Sammi: But i I think they could have...

Sammi: Yeah, they could. I mean, but they could have like kept on for one more week. like He could have kept her on to for them both to get another shot.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And like I just feel like there's so many different ways I could have been played.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: I mean, listen, against my better judgment, i' I'm always going to be at least somewhat pro-Justin. Sorry. Um, cause I like him and I do think he's good TV and I do think he has matured a lot, despite the fact he kind of made a weird knee jerk reaction in my opinion.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah. And my was like, he should have talked to them both about this.

Sammi: Yes.

Sammi: Yes.

Steve: I mean, like, listen, it's not working out with us. I have this long history Susie. I, as a friend want to keep her on because I wanted to find love and which I guess is still shitty to Lexi, but whatever.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: But at least the conversation, the the problem is, is I don't even think he had time to like, I don't think this was something that he thought about until he was up there. And then he was just like, eh, I'm going to do this.

Sammi: I mean, what would have been the best choice would have ah have been picking Jill from the beginning without having her be like the second choice?

Steve: Well,

Steve: Yeah, obviously.

Steve: Can I tell you what all what the good the right choice is in every situation? Pick Joe.

Sammi: Jill.

Steve: Always pick Joe.

Sammi: Yeah. Jill's so fun. I, you know, i I don't know if I said this last time Jill was on, but she I was like, oh, yeah, she reminds me of Joan Cusack, like her facial expressions and stuff.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And I love Joan Cusack. So that is a high compliment.

Steve: Oh yeah. She's super fun. She's really smart.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah.

Steve: yeah If I was on there, even if I was like one of these guys like Jonathan or Justin or whatever, that's like not into her, but likes her. ah ah God, Jonathan really screwed this up. I would have been like, listen, let's just be a bachelor in paradise buds.

Steve: And we're going to hang out on the beach till the end. And we don't need to date any of these bimbos. Like who cares?

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: I mean, and that's the thing. The two of them have like really good like banter and stuff. I think he just didn't want to get her hopes up. And I don't think that that's I feel like Jonathan's actually playing things in a very smart way because he's not over promising anything.

Sammi: But the problem is he's like under delivering.

Steve: no yeah oh totally

Sammi: So he's like constantly in jeopardy when he shouldn't be. Because like April said, he is like the best guy there.

Steve: yeah it's it's like he's hanging off a cliff but his six-pack and his hotness is the only thing like gripping the side of the of the wall like it's yeah oh yeah he seems like a great guy

Sammi: There's no question

Sammi: But it's weird because he has a good personality, too. Like, he's funny.

Steve: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: He's like he's got a brain. Like, don't know. And yeah, it's like even, you know, Kat was like, well, when I tell a joke, he laughs. OK, because he's because he's got a brain so I can tell a joke and he thinks it's funny.

Sammi: That's why April likes him, because she's like really quick with it.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: And so she's like, I appreciate someone that I can, you know, banter with. And if I'm sorry if an older person like she sees it because she's wise, not just because she's a cougar, but she's also wise.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: um And I'm just.

Steve: Like genuinely a cougar too.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: She spent like a very long section of of an episode just kind of behaving like a cat.

Sammi: Mm hmm.

Steve: So.

Sammi: Yes, that's true. A literal cougar. Oh, the other really good guy on the beach is a recent arrival, and that's Andrew.

Steve: Mm hmm.

Sammi: I was so glad to see him come.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: I'm like, good, good.

Steve: Yeah. He seems like a pretty nice dude.

Sammi: He's like so decent. I mean, and I was like, oh, this is perfect for Alex because he's like a theater kid.

Steve: Mm hmm.

Sammi: And she's like a theater kid. They act like theater kids. I mean, I can say that because I was one and I am one. um But I was like, this is great because he's like weird, puts on random accents, you know, and he'll like, yes, and a situation.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And she's like awkward, nervous, but he's um calm enough that he can kind of bring that down, but also like embrace you know, the, the anxiety, um in a really gracious way.

Sammi: so I, I really hope they do well because I like that pairing a lot. And I've just like, and I think Alex is like one of the coolest people in paradise too. So I'm just like, I liked her, you know, on grant season.

Steve: no

Sammi: I like her even more now. And I, And yeah, it's like, I guess I gravitate to that energy, like that nervous energy and weirdness. Like, yeah, her and Jill, I think are the most fun to watch for sure.

Steve: So, speaking of Jill, like like, Jill's cooked, right? Like, she's done. Like, she's she's not going to make it through another week, right? Because Sean's just going to bounce to another girl. this is This is, like, this is what always happens to Jill.

Sammi: i think she's.

Steve: This is...

Sammi: Yeah, that's the that's the other thing. OK, so, yeah, Jill and Sean. I mean, jill that's the thing. I I think Jill will find someone really cool and it will not be in Bachelor Nation or it's going to be it's going to be like a Wells type of a person, you know?

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah. Well, Sean is not the guy for her.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: He's just a guy who happened to come out of the beach and he was just like, so I'm here and I need to be with someone because those that's how it works.

Sammi: No.

Sammi: hmm.

Steve: And she's like, I'm here. You want to make out? You're pretty hot. I don't like Sean. Like Sean has never, never done it for me.

Sammi: No, i mean, like, you know, like I always liked Carly, right? Like Carly Waddell and like, um you know, Carly and Evan are no longer, but they were together a very long long time and had kids and all of that.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And I think, you know, it's like, unless you've got like, and Jill's different from Carly, but they've they've got that nerdy factor, you know? And it's like, you got to have someone like an Evan or, but I'm trying to think who would, oh my gosh, what's his name?

Sammi: Oh, I'm forgetting the cat. Um, The guy that you said was me. He might be good for her, although she might eat him alive.

Sammi: um

Steve: Yeah, she would eat them alive.

Sammi: What was his name?

Steve: Oh, she's probably, I can't remember.

Sammi: Trevor? What was his name? Oh, my gosh.

Steve: It's a couple of seasons ago.

Sammi: ah

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Whose season was that? Was that Katie's season? Yeah, that was Katie's season. um

Steve: Quick, Google harder.

Sammi: katie Katie's guys. I'm Googling. Katie's guys were so good in general. I'm surprised they didn't bring any of them back because didn't they go farther back than that?

Steve: I think so.

Sammi: They didn't bring any of them back, right?

Steve: Mm-mm.

Sammi: I'm like looking through the list really quick. Wasn't it him? Oh, no. Justin was from Katie season. always forget.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: um yeah. And so was Andrew. Oh, my God. Sorry. OK, so they brought two of them back. All right. Good job. ah Never mind. I'm kidding. Oh, Connor. Connor.

Steve: Connor, there you go.

Sammi: Yeah. Okay. So bring a third guy. Well, cause like, yeah, Trey was really good in paradise. He was fun. Obviously Aaron was one of the best to, to do it. Although he also is a gaslighting jackass, but, um, he's good TV.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Um, yeah. Oh my gosh. I totally forgot that they were both on Katie season. They feel more recent than that to me for some reason.

Steve: you know Yeah, he's he's been around the block.

Sammi: I, well, Justin, well, this is what his third time. Yeah.

Steve: he they They like bringing back Justin.

Sammi: ah But he can come back whenever he wants. Yeah. But I love that he was like, it's like I graduated high school and, you know. But yeah, like a guy like Connor, I think might be good for, you know, Jill.

Sammi: But might be, I mean, Jill might even, yeah, like, I don't know, dominate him little too much.

Steve: It's very possible.

Sammi: But she just, yeah, it's like there's just not the right energy on the beach. Yeah.

Steve: now No, no.

Sammi: like for her. And there, there's no one that makes sense.

Steve: There's, like like, from the jump...

Sammi: Like maybe Spencer, like if Jess hadn't been around, maybe Spencer, but that's all I can think of.

Steve: Yeah, that's that's about it.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: and And from the jump, I immediately was concerned.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Like, when when there's multiple women fighting over Brian, I'm sorry, Brian?

Sammi: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: this ah are yeah you are you interacting with the same Brian that I've seen on my television? He was awful, awful on the season he was on.

Sammi: Yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's part of why I liked Jeremy was because he didn't like Brian.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: You know, this.

Steve: It's pretty easy not to like Brian. It's like, oh no, the worst person in the world is right about something.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: He just, yeah, he's just like, Brian's like deeply unpleasant. Like, and he just gives...

Steve: He is very unpleasant.

Sammi: He gives off bad vibes.

Steve: Like you want to talk about vibes.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah. He has rancid vibes, rancid, rancid vibes.

Steve: No.

Sammi: and And so it's like, you know, we talked about this a little bit before recording, but like, you know, I know Zoe got a really bad edit, but also like, oh, hitching your wagon to Brian was a bad idea, was a bad idea.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Steve: Oh, immediately. I was like, oh, Queen, no!

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah, it was awful.

Sammi: Yeah, I was just like, as soon as it happened, and I just went, oh, see, the dogs are upset. If you can hear them in the hallway, they pissed.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Apollo's chasing his foot. he's like He's like, I'm pretending my foot is Brian and I'm eating him right now. I just hate him. But yeah, I was just like, this is a disaster. It's like, and you there's nothing you can do about it.

Sammi: You just have to let it happen and you have to let it be...

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: terrible but i'm like that guy is only coming on to hook up with as many people as possible and i do believe he'll drop parisa if he thinks something better comes along yeah and he's like i'm open 100 yeah

Steve: yeah

Steve: Brian is...

Steve: oh Instantly, instantly. Brian's entire vibe... his entire vibe is you and your girlfriends go out for the night to the bar. And there is a man who won't leave you alone.

Steve: He's the man who won't leave you alone.

Sammi: yeah

Steve: I just like something about him. It's, it's slimy. ah The way that he interacted on the season of the bachelorette that he was on, like that first night,

Sammi: Something really loud happened. Sorry. Keep going.

Steve: I was like, ah he i remember because there was like a car, like a classic car or something, and he was being really weird. I was like, get out of the car. Like this whole like tough guy routine was awful, awful.

Steve: I also don't like his face, which I know seems petty.

Sammi: No, that's what I said. He looks like a thumb.

Steve: Yeah, he looks like a thumb. And then his face was doing this weird thing. And then I felt bad because I was like, oh, maybe he has an actual medical issue. But it looks like his filler is drooping and his face is like, you know, giving Bell's palsy or something.

Sammi: Oh. Does he have Bell's palsy?

Steve: And no, I don't believe that he does because I looked into it and I found out.

Sammi: I didn't even think he had Bell's palsy. That's so interesting.

Steve: No, no. he there i But I was like, why are you drooping? is your Is your filler falling down? Is this an actual medical issue? I cannot say with 100% certain, but I'm willing to stake my reputation on this. 99% certain.

Steve: He works as a medical esthetician. So I think he juiced up a little too hard before he came onto the island.

Sammi: Oh.

Sammi: Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't even notice anything. I'm just saying overall he gives, you know, thumb, um not like one specific attribute.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: He just like like exudes thumb energy.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Oh,

Steve: I think in the nineties, he would have been like a weird, lecherous rockabilly guy. Something about him. I don't.

Sammi: ah I feel like that's like offensive to rockabilly guys, but what do I know?

Steve: ah Like his favorite movie is swingers.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Oh,

Sammi: i I did run a rockabilly radio show, you know? um ah Yeah, it's like so weird. I don't know. Oh, my water bottle tumbled.

Sammi: Oh, I forgot I needed that. Sorry, there's a lot of dramatic stuff going on right outside my office. So you get this exclusive.

Steve: oh

Sammi: um I was wondering where that went. So that's interesting. OK, so it fell. So something happened. um Yeah, he just like I saw a couple of videos from Zoe and one was like, you know, the meme where it was like,

Sammi: me and like, you know, it's like a pretty brat stall and it's like the guy who traumatized me and it's like that rat boy from Flushed Away. And then it was like pictures of her.

Steve: yeah that's great

Sammi: pictures

Sammi: Yeah, it's like, you know what? We've all been there. We've all done that.

Steve: oh that's the worst feeling like when when you're really upset but like the person you're upset about you you know that objectively they're trash and you're like this person sucks so much I'm so much hotter like why how did this occur to me that's not fair

Sammi: Well, at least I have. Yeah. Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: It's like, how dare you make me upset when you look like that?

Steve: Yeah, and then you're just like mad at you're mad at them, but you're also mad at yourself about being mad about them, which is the worst feeling.

Sammi: And you're so beneath me.

Sammi: Like, oh, God. And I mean, i listen, like I said, I ran a rockabilly radio show. I hung out with, you know, some of the crustiest dudes for a while. And I'm like... Why did I let them make me feel bad?

Sammi: There's no reason. But we've all go through that. Like we all go through that. And then you just, you know, you write some angry poetry about it and you move on. um But we're just me.

Steve: As you do.

Sammi: um so So, yeah, I mean, he's just like, yeah, he's just slimy, you know.

Steve: Now,

Sammi: And I do think. i I do think I'm glad Parisa gets to be in Paradise and whatever, but I feel like they've enveloped each other and we're not getting to see her being fun and cool on the beach. And I just feel like she's not getting an edit at all. She's barely getting any screen time.

Sammi: You know, and then she's and then to have her be like characterized as cheap. I didn't like that. That was not.

Steve: no

Sammi: But I get it. You're upset. Like, but I just like the whole situation is bad. And I feel like he's the kind of guy who brings out greater toxicity.

Steve: Yep, I agree.

Sammi: And, you know, and I mean, i think. I think the truth is not somewhere in the middle. It's somewhere more towards Zoe's side.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: But when, you know, when Brian calls her clingy, ah you know, and then she says, I just wanted him to say good morning to me. um

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: i think that's fair. um But I also do think, and this is, again, I've seen this in myself as a young person, especially, you know, the, okay, well now I'm jumping all the way ahead.

Sammi: I'm getting excited and I'm jumping ahead, right? Athlete babies or whatever, you know, she was thinking.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Um, and it's the kind of environment where you do have to move fast and he does have a good point that they just got there. Like, I think those are both valid things, whatever.

Sammi: um but you, to, to play the game correctly and be received well by others and, perform well on the beach overall.

Sammi: The best option is to be as open and transparent as possible and communicate your feelings even if it means you could be sacrificed because someone may still choose to take mercy on you because you made a good decision.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: That's kind of the way you got to play it. And that's why I'm saying I do feel like like Alex was very honest. like She was honest about how she was feeling before Andrew arrived.

Sammi: So wasn't like she jumped from Jonathan to Andrew. Although in the recap, they made it look like she did it the other way around. I was like, hey, what?

Steve: yeah

Sammi: I remember time. um And Jonathan was also being very honest that whole time. And I thought Jeremy was on the right track because when he went on a date, he said to Bailey, hey, I'm going on a date. Are you okay with that? And Bailey's like, I'm chill and it's fine and it's no big deal. And then they like cut to him like making out.

Sammi: And I was like, cool. um And then he came back and he's like, no, I'm still into this. And then when Bailey's like, can I go on a date? Because like I haven't gone anywhere yet. He was like,

Steve: Absolutely not.

Sammi: no why i don't think it's cool and i was like what you have to be you have to be consistent about it like it's you can't you can't just like change the rules and it's not like it's

Steve: o Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah. ah Listen, babe, I want an open relationship, but like just for me...

Sammi: right exactly and it's like you're this you're not that far down like they hadn't been in paradise very long

Steve: ah i

Steve: No.

Sammi: So for Bailey to say, is it OK if I just go on this date? and he's like, yeah, but I'm going to be like really mad about it. It's like that's so tacky, dude.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: I don't know.

Steve: Yeah. Not a good look.

Sammi: And then he made her cry. Like I was just like, she's not doing anything. She did all the things that she was supposed to do. Like she's following the rules is my point.

Steve: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Sammi: And you the rules can be pretty loose. Like and they also have provided a lot of options for loosey-goosiness like the kissing booth.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: right? It's like, okay, open up your options a little bit more, try these things, whatever.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: But like you can't be mad when you're not that far into paradise and you went on a date and the person you're hanging out with and you were just talking about expressing interest in Susie.

Sammi: And then the person you are have been going out with more is like, well, now I want to kind of see what's out there because it's only fair to both of us because she's right.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: So what the hell? Anyway, that was really annoying to me. and did not like that one bit.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: That was really upsetting. Um,

Steve: um Well, and I think before, because I'm sure we're going move on to the the the golden soon, but before we do, we've got send a special shout out to our our soldiers who fell too early and in week one, which is your boy, Hakeem, who is just too pure pure for this world, apparently.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And my personal favorite... Kyle Howard, who you may remember as guy on season 17 who was gone so soon that you actually don't remember him.

Sammi: oh oh um

Steve: And then he repeated that on Paradise, therefore making him Bachelor Nation's most memorable, least memorable man. We salute you.

Sammi: that was good ah yeah um gone too soon for sure gone but never forgotten except for there's a couple yeah there's a couple of people where i just kept going who who are you

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: yeah Never forgotten.

Steve: Yeah. i ah I fly the POW MIA flag, but specifically for Kyle Howard.

Sammi: um

Sammi: Wait, did you say Ricky? Because I was so busy singing, I wasn't paying attention.

Steve: Oh yeah. Ricky. Oh, Ricky, Ricky, you seem nice.

Sammi: Ricky was a little...

Steve: You just, so you're just a little guy. I love you.

Sammi: Ricky was like a little messy, but like, yeah, not too bad.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: um Yeah, there's like, well, it's and obviously Lexi's gone and um but she stuck around for a while. But yeah, like the Susie thing was so that was one of the wildest parts. OK, let me let me just kind of let me just kind of go through my first three episode notes just to see if there's any notable things. Oh, yeah.

Sammi: One of my favorite things was that this game started with Spencer and he called ah he called croquet bocce.

Steve: ah

Sammi: And then someone else called it crochet, which was even better.

Steve: I mean, that's yeah, that crochet is better. I guess if you could play like croquet with Bocce, you got a lot of the same elements going on. What's the difference between racquetball and squash?

Sammi: i guess. guess.

Steve: I don't know. What am i a rich person who goes to the country club?

Sammi: He's Squash. Who plays Squash anymore?

Steve: I don't, I don't know.

Sammi: The only reason I know about Squash is because of Frasier.

Steve: don't, but I'm saying like,

Sammi: And

Steve: and then you've got, so you got bocce, which is no stick. You got croquet, which is with the, with the the little hammer. And then if you hop on a horse, then it becomes polo.

Sammi: and then it becomes Polo. Oh, no that's so smart.

Steve: Yeah. Which is, I feel like every sport should be like that.

Sammi: Yeah, but I was...

Steve: Like every sport deserves a horse variant.

Sammi: But I just like I was like this position Spencer perfectly that they put him here first in paradise. And he's like, look, it's Bachi.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: I just thought that was sweet. um Anyway, OK. that it that ah I'm just looking through my notes. um Yeah.

Sammi: OK. Oh, here's another thing that I think is really weird. This started in the first episode and I'm really disappointed in this. But also with this, given the state of our country, I'm not surprised that these things were in the episodes.

Sammi: did Have you noticed extra weird heteronormative statements making their way into these episodes more than normal?

Steve: No, more than normal.

Sammi: Okay.

Steve: i

Sammi: Okay.

Steve: I feel like I've been desensitized to this stuff, but do tell.

Sammi: Well, I feel like the thing that was interesting about Paradise in particular is it started to move into a direction where it's like, maybe there can be some queer stuff happening here. like And i was like, okay, cool. you know It was getting a little more like fun, a little more with the times, whatever.

Sammi: Now it's like they've completely, they're like, you don't get to have any of that. You get none of that.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: um Because like there was this part where like right at the beginning where Spencer and Jess are talking and Spencer's like, oh, it's not manly if I like drink with a straw. And I'm like, what does that have to do? And he was like insecure about it.

Sammi: And he like grabbed it and threw it, you know. And then Jess was like, yes.

Steve: Which is a weird thing to be insecure about.

Sammi: Well, and the fact that Jess was like, yeah, I don't know. Like she was like, oh, yeah, that looks really cool. And I was like, what's weird about that?

Steve: It's so strange. It's like the meme. It's like, fellas, is it gay if I drink from a straw? No, what does that mean? What do you?

Sammi: Yeah, it's like so strange. And then he like threw it and then she's like, think of the turtles or whatever. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'll grab it later.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: But I was just like, that's that that was like the first thing. And I was like, that's weird. Then Jonathan comes on and he's like, oh, is it weird if I shave my legs? And was like, no, you can do whatever you want. They're your legs.

Steve: Do whatever you want. Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah. And they were like, yeah, that's kind of weird. And I was like, how toxic are you? And like the women are supporting this.

Steve: That's super strange.

Sammi: And I'm just like, what? Like a man can shave his legs. And then the, ah you know, the one other criticism I have of Zoe was they were doing like the, you know, the silhouette cutouts and they had to put like, you know, red X's or hearts or whatever.

Sammi: And she was like a man who pampers himself. No, thanks. And I was like, why can't a man pamper himself?

Steve: Why can't a man pamper himself?

Sammi: Like, I was just like, what are these weird, like the bad,

Steve: Oh, get a load of Liberace over here. He puts moisturizer on his skin.

Sammi: Yeah, it's like The Bachelor has always been very traditional, but like those statements, like that's not a, I feel like that stuff we saw in like the late 2000s, early 2010s, and I thought we got rid of that.

Steve: Yeah. this is This is the culture shift, apparently.

Sammi: This is what I'm saying.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: This is what I'm saying. You know, JoJo C was a trad wife now, and now we got to deal with, you know, men being like, I can't shave my legs.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Like, Jonathan, you can shave your legs if you want to.

Steve: It's true.

Sammi: And i wait, I can't remember who it was who said that they like to get pampered.

Steve: JoJo Siwa's a straight trad wife. I love that.

Sammi: She is.

Steve: He's got Billy Davis' eyes!

Sammi: Yeah. Oh, my God. So weird. I can't remember which man said that they like to be pampered. I don't have the note. But whoever that is, like, you should like to be pampered.

Steve: I like to be pampered.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: It's so strange.

Steve: PSA to straight men. Go get a pedicure. If you haven't gotten one, go get one. Get one once a month.

Sammi: It's...

Steve: It's nice. They rub your feet.

Sammi: I...

Steve: Your toenails look good. Your toenails are gross. Every mate has gross toenails. Just go get them taken care of. Get a little foot rub. It's nice.

Sammi: Oh, my gosh. You know, Tuck's actually got like the nicest, like smoothest feet. It's weird.

Steve: Oh, that's good.

Sammi: I'm like, it he's like, I'm sorry to out your feet.

Steve: but

Sammi: You're never going to listen to this.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: um

Steve: Welcome to Feet Talk, Rose Feet Special.

Sammi: It's like it's like he gets a pedicure. I'm just like, have your feet never touched the earth? but Meanwhile, I'm like inside, outside, you know, walking on gravel.

Sammi: Like, I'm just like, you know, and i'm i'm I'm hiking miles and miles and my calluses have calluses. And he's just like, my perfect untouched feet, you know? And I'm just like, but wasn't it, wait, was it Dale who's doing OnlyFans with his feet?

Steve: Yeah,

Steve: yeah I think so.

Sammi: Or was he just joking about that?

Steve: I don't know.

Sammi: I don't know.

Steve: I don't know who was joking who was...

Sammi: Some of those answers were kind of vague. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah, like when Jonathan was like, I was the one who did it as someone 25 years older, JK, but I'm like, wait, was that real?

Steve: i think I think it was Dale.

Sammi: Because no one else admitted it. i don't know. Anyway, it was weird. And then did you notice like they planted the contest question in with the secrets?

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: The I took $500,000 and yeah, and like I stole it.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: I was like, that's that's a planted question or a planted answer.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Okay, anyway.

Steve: They like, who's that?

Sammi: And I'm like, it's the game because I'm in the future and I know this. um

Steve: I do like how one of the olds was like, who was it? But they were just like, yeah, i I banged another dude and my husband was in the other room. And then she's just like, well, you know.

Sammi: Oh, oh, that was Kathy.

Steve: Yeah, it was Kathy.

Sammi: That was Kathy. Well, also, um um what's his name?

Steve: Damn, Kathy. It was a different time. Mm

Sammi: The finance guy, the six five finance guy, um RJ.

Steve: hmm.

Sammi: He was like someone's like playmate.

Steve: Oh, that was sick. Yeah. He was just like, yeah, this i this couple would just have me come over and just bang them. I was like, what?

Sammi: And he's like, and it was like a time. And I was like, you are the most fascinating person here.

Steve: Yeah, just casually.

Sammi: I need to know more about you. i was so sad that he left because I was like, wait, I have 20 million more questions for you.

Steve: i know. He's the one guy where the couple across the bar was like, hey, we saw you sitting over there and wanted to buy you a drink.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah, we had a question for you.

Steve: And he actually took him up on the offer.

Sammi: Yeah. And I mean, it's so funny because he seems like very buttoned up, you know, because he's like, yeah, I'm a finance guy, whatever, you know, like, I don't know, just kind of like ah square, you know what i mean?

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And then he's like, yeah, so they invited me to be their playmate and it was was a really great summer. And I'm like, oh, my God.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: That's so fun.

Steve: Summer of RJ.

Sammi: I was like, tell me more RJ. I need to know. Anyway, that was really exciting. Um, okay. So, oh, I got mad how much production they put into Brian's intro.

Sammi: I immediately episode one, I made a note about that.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Um, and I also that, that when Kat said, first of all, Kat and John Henry was so funny. i we all knew that wasn't going to last, but you know, you gotta, you gotta do it.

Steve: Yeah. I love that. It's like, here's the emotionally unstable hot chick and her deep sea diver lunk boyfriend.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: It was perfect. it was like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

Sammi: Yeah, I was like, this is not going to last, but like, ah have fun.

Steve: No.

Sammi: um

Steve: Yeah. so somebody shook up the oil and and vinegar and and then if we watched it separate.

Sammi: Yeah, and she's like, actually, like, I just came to and realized, what am I doing?

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And then she said something like she was healed and hydrated and ready for anything. i was like, yes.

Steve: That's what I need. I need people getting sunstroke and making terrible decisions. That's what paradise should be about.

Sammi: Yeah, that's true. I think that's why everyone is lower energy because they they have hotel rooms.

Steve: who

Sammi: um ah But yeah, let's see. Oh, yeah, that was funny, too. When Alex was hanging out with Jonathan and she's like, I don't do younger. um And he's like a year younger than her or something like that.

Steve: Right.

Sammi: Okay. Oh, and then I just when Sam came in, I wrote, oh, Jesus, not Sam. No, no, no. Yeah.

Sammi: Oh, that was another thing. Here's another toxic thing that got said. I saved them all. um Spencer said, nobody wants a man who can wear her pants.

Steve: Why not?

Sammi: Shut up.

Steve: That's, I mean, that's a, that's a wonderful joy. If you're at a relationship where you could share clothes, that's, that's saving a lot, honestly.

Sammi: I've totally worn leopard leggings that Tuck owns to an event. Just saying.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um Yeah, it's just like weird. It's like, who cares? That was just such a strange dig. I really didn't like that. um But yeah, I think the thing that it makes me the saddest so far is that Lexi didn't really get a good shot.

Sammi: um However, if they do do The Bachelorette again, I think she's the perfect choice for Bachelorette. But I just, yeah, I just don't feel like the right men came in.

Sammi: i think she liked Justin. i I also think she was right that he's not totally over Susie. And I think he thinks he is, but he's not.

Steve: No, he's probably not.

Sammi: And I think Susie's pretty over it.

Steve: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

Sammi: Yeah, but I don't know.

Steve: I mean, and it's hard to...

Sammi: That whole thing is kind of messy. Yeah.

Steve: it It is kind of messy.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: and then And then even if you are mostly over that person, you're I think I'm ready to date again to to be put into the paradise situation. And then your ex is right there.

Sammi: See your ex.

Steve: Like that doesn't help anything.

Sammi: ah Yeah.

Steve: that's That's like steps backwards, which is fine. That's why sus that's why they threw the Susie grenade in.

Sammi: Yeah. I mean, the thing that's interesting, too, is that Justin or Susie could have stayed in Paradise and probably done pretty well because I think they handled it the best they could have.

Sammi: It was a strange situation, but I think they were both very mature about it and they had some very mature conversations and one of them could have stayed.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: But yeah, it was just like... But like we've seen Justin like crash out more than this. Like I still think it was a more evolved response to, you know, and like a more healed response to like a weird situation. But anyway, um I just feel like Lexi, I would have liked to see Lexi have more time because she's like the kind of person who tends to stay on the beach for a long time and develop a good relationship and, you know, justice for Lexi.

Sammi: Um, oh yeah, Allie Jo came and I don't like her at all. Um,

Steve: Women be boxing. That's so but like she, no one's ever punched her in the face though.

Sammi: I just, yeah, she just like is.

Steve: Right? Like I don't, like she, she doesn't, she's not like boxing, but like she doesn't have cauliflower ear.

Sammi: I don't think so.

Steve: So does she do like fitness boxing? because she always talks about this.

Sammi: She probably does like, yeah, like kickboxing, like, yeah, cardio kickboxing or something.

Steve: She's a boxer.

Sammi: that I don't know.

Steve: Okay.

Sammi: Where does she teach? Can we find? Because I thought you was just like a personal trainer who does like, yeah, kickboxing classes or something like that.

Steve: I don't,

Sammi: We're like looking it up.

Steve: Yeah. i need to I need to know. What's your what's her professional record?

Steve: She's the head trainer of rumble boxing in Fort Lauderdale.

Sammi: Hmm.

Steve: Interesting. Interesting.

Sammi: Wait, she's in Fort Lauderdale?

Steve: ah Yeah. She's from New Jersey originally.

Sammi: Oh, I thought she was still in New Jersey. Okay.

Steve: Yeah. ah I don't know. Yeah. she's She's also been a dance instructor and a fitness instructor.

Sammi: Oh, and they call her JoJo there. Did you notice that?

Steve: No, I didn't.

Sammi: Her name's not Allie Jo on on the boxing. It's JoJo.

Steve: Huh.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: With her Instagram account, a cup of Joe. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Sammi: ah ha ha. Ha ha.

Steve: Yeah, I don't i don't know. i mean, she's jacked. And I mean, I have no doubt that she could.

Sammi: Yeah. Why do you want her to have been punched in the It says she's got 50 knockout ratings, 250 knockout ratings, whatever that means.

Steve: That's i what that's not even that can't be real. That doesn't make any sense.

Sammi: what it Well, what's the Century Club? I don't know. I'm just looking at the website.

Steve: That's crazy.

Sammi: Do you need me to send you the link?

Steve: No, I'm i'm only saying I believe that she could kick my ass. There's no question. I'm just saying she's.

Sammi: Ellie Jo, I'm just telling you right now that Steve is challenging you and you can kick his ass.

Steve: No, she's a she's a beautiful woman who doesn't have cauliflower ear. Ergo, do not like I don't believe that she's been in a series of professional fights because of that. But I could be wrong.

Sammi: Maybe she's just really good at dodging.

Steve: I I have no idea.

Sammi: I don't know.

Steve: It's yeah.

Sammi: Well, what does it mean? What's what's Century Club? What's like, ah are those just like ratings?

Steve: ah

Sammi: Do you see what I'm seeing?

Steve: 50 knockout rating, 100 knockout ratings.

Sammi: What are those things?

Steve: Yeah, no one no because no one has 250. No one has that. She's not Muhammad Ali.

Sammi: Crowd pleaser. This has got to be like a thing.

Steve: Oh, this is this is this is this is all fake stuff.

Sammi: Organize. Yeah.

Steve: This is... Yeah, this is...

Sammi: She's a trainer, coach, and group fitness instructor. So whatever rumble boxing is, that's what she does.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Her knockout rating is 100 because she's a... 100% hottie. Like, what does that even mean? Like, what is this? Crowd pleaser, level 100, motivational, fan favorite, I don't know.

Sammi: I don't know. I'm just showing you the website.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: See, the dogs are mad again.

Steve: Yeah. The dogs are mad. We're all mad at Allie Jo.

Sammi: Everybody's mad. ah Yeah. So she her whole... Yeah. So her history is... um Okay. Oh, my gosh. So... um

Steve: I would let Allie Jo punch me in the face for the podcast, just so you know.

Sammi: So there you go. There you go. No, I'm just, so i'm I listen, I'm really good at finding people's LinkedIn because it's the one thing they don't lock down. Like with the whole Coldplay thing, that's like ancient history at this point.

Sammi: They did not lock down their LinkedIn fast enough. That's the always the thing. So since 2014, Allie Jo has been a fitness instructor. She worked at Pure Bar. She worked at Orange Theory. She worked at Icon Dance Complex.

Sammi: She was a dance teacher.

Steve: Oh, all all the hits are playing.

Sammi: She was a fitness instructor elsewhere. And now so, so yeah, it's all fitness instructing stuff. Yeah. um You know, like maybe I just um saw somebody say that their profession was poker player and I looked them up and their lifetime winnings were $750, which is more than I've made.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um But I wouldn't call myself a poker player because I don't play. yeah.

Sammi: So there 750 bucks is better than zero bucks.

Steve: 750 bucks though. I mean, come on.

Sammi: But, you know, I don't know.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: I'm trying to think of the thing that I do that I would say is my profession that would be an approximation of that. You know, maybe like I'm a dishwasher. I just do it at home, you know.

Sammi: um Anyway, not not to sneeze at $750, but ah I don't know if that makes a career.

Steve: Every day I'm washing dishes.

Sammi: um so what did I say? Oh, Jesse, that was that was a weird. So, yeah, the kissing booth thing was really interesting. I will say I think that that was one of the most interesting new things that they brought into the game.

Sammi: because even though I think Brian absolutely sucks, I would follow the exact same formula. I would swipe right on anyone. I would entertain kissing because it would help me understand who is interested in me and who hasn't maybe expressed public interest yet.

Steve: Oh yeah. Unless I was like, ew, gross to somebody, I would just, if if I was completely neutral, I'd be like smoochy, smoochy, smoochy, everybody.

Sammi: Yeah, I'd swipe right on...

Sammi: Yeah, and even if I was like hanging out with someone, I'd be like, listen, i yeah, I did it because

Steve: Oh, welcome to smooch city population, Steve.

Sammi: i

Steve: That's what it would be.

Sammi: Because I want to see who's interested just in case this doesn't work out and you're playing me because that's what happens here is you get played. Especially if I was on the line. Like if it was a point when like the men had the roses, I would definitely be like, okay, I am swiping right on like everybody except for people who look like thumbs.

Steve: Yeah. Oh, another fun production wrinkle. And this is actually something that I like. The Bachelor has always been very, very good about not showing production people at all.

Sammi: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Steve: And this season, they've been everywhere. Like you've seen them, like they're in shots there.

Sammi: Mm-hmm.

Steve: They actually interact. And we watch those interactions. Like Jeremy's just standing in the kissing booth. And then some guy just walks up to me He's like, there's, there's nobody else here for you. You can, you could just go.

Sammi: but But the thing that I don't like about that is it's not like, it's like when they come in, it's like production acting.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: You know what I mean? Because it's like one thing that we've always seen on The Bachelor is you'll hear like a producer ask a question. And sometimes you'll see them sit with someone if they're like really upset or something like that. Like those are things that we've seen with production.

Sammi: But what I don't like about this is like, it's yeah, it's very much like... They wouldn't deliver it the same way necessarily. Like they're doing it for the bit. I don't know. Maybe you like that.

Sammi: I kind of put a bad taste in my mouth.

Steve: i I like, well, because I would mess with, that like, if it was me, if I was a production assistant on the show, I would literally walk into that booth with Jeremy and be like, hey, I swiped right.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: ah Just to mess with him.

Sammi: That's what I'm saying. It doesn't feel like a like a a genuine funny moment. Do you know what I'm saying? like Especially because they did it the same way every time.

Steve: Oh, yeah, like someone else, another producer was like, go do that to him. Yeah.

Sammi: It's like they did it the same way every time.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: It wasn't like, oh, you're going to go have fun and like create a fun moment. It was like oh, why don't you... It's like they produced that producer. You know what I'm saying? It was just like kind of weird. I just didn't like that.

Sammi: But that's just me being cynical, I guess. um I was just like, this even feels put on. And i'm mut I know...

Steve: yeah

Sammi: i you know it's like I'm not naive you know like I know how this stuff gets shot but yeah it was just like it's just kind of weird I don't know anyway um they could have done it they could be more fun with it be more fun with it next time be more original just like they keep playing the same audio over and over of Spencer saying there's a new arrival like I'm not gonna notice

Steve: sure be more fun with that

Sammi: I noticed.

Steve: No, why would you notice?

Sammi: Okay. You, you played it like four times now. You literally can't get anyone to say, Oh, Hey, like there were like two times where somebody else said there's a new arrival. And every other time it's the exact same inflection. Spencer going, Hey, there's a new arrival. Yeah.

Sammi: It's as recognizable to me as a Wilhelm scream at this point. I know what you're doing.

Steve: Yeah. yeah

Sammi: um Anyway, so yeah. Okay. Jill came back. right. Susie. um Dale. Yeah. so So I don't know. The other day you texted me and you said Dale is making my head explode.

Sammi: And was it the the most recent episode? Was it the deading it thing or was it was it before that?

Steve: Detting it. Yeah. Detting it.

Sammi: Okay.

Steve: I was, i was actually like, I was standing in my living room.

Sammi: You were so mad.

Steve: I was, i spilled Chardonnay on the rug because I was, I was just like, stop saying it.

Sammi: Not the Chardonnay.

Steve: It was like, it's like, ah, Dale, look what you've done.

Sammi: Yeah, Kat was more patient than you, that's for sure.

Steve: No.

Sammi: But i I did like when she was like, if he says it one more time, I'm going in the pool.

Steve: Can you imagine? Like if you were saying something,

Steve: I just, I can't, like, the the fact that, like, not only was he saying it, it was annoying, but she was genuinely I don't even know what you're saying.

Sammi: Yeah, I mean, she was she was literally like, I want you to make sense.

Steve: Like, I shaboozied it. What does that mean?

Sammi: Well, and the other fucked up thing, like he told on himself, like he told on himself, he's like, why are you asking me this now?

Steve: nonsense.

Sammi: You know, right before the rose ceremony. That was self-preservation. That wasn't like, oh, I thought...

Steve: Yeah. I grew up in a family where we don't ask hard questions before a rose ceremony.

Sammi: Yeah, it's like, it it wasn't like he was like, oh, I thought we were in a good place and I'm surprised that this upset you this much. or so You know, he wasn't trying to come at it from like, a oh, I misread the situation and I'm so sorry.

Sammi: i understand why that would be upsetting. And I didn't pick the right time. Because he said something also like, well, i thought it would come up organically. Like, what? What do you mean? So like, again...

Sammi: Okay, Dale, she reminds you of her ex. You remind me of my ex. Okay. So two can play at that game, Dale, because he was like, it I swear.

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: And it's like the same thing like Tom Sandoval did where it's like, oh, well, if you ask me the right question, like it's a fucking riddle, then I will answer your questions three, you know?

Sammi: And I'm like,

Steve: We'll troll under the bridge action.

Sammi: Yeah, I'm just like, how am I supposed to know what question to ask? Like, I my brain doesn't work this way. i don't engage in the fuckery that you do. And you're going, oh, well, if you had asked me this question, you know, or like.

Sammi: I mean, I literally got a letter. i don't know if i ever told you this. I got a, he wrote me a letter like three days after I was like, we're getting divorced. You guys are all getting the dirt today. And, and he was like, he said something in it. I wish I hadn't ripped it up and thrown it away. Cause it was good evidence, but I didn't want it on my person.

Sammi: um But it said something like I, I would have stopped like my bad behavior if I had known that you would leave me over it. And I was like, So you knew it was bad.

Sammi: And you're like, I would have kept doing it

Steve: I knew it was bad. I just didn't know it was that bad.

Sammi: Yeah, i was like it was like, I wouldn't have done it if I had known that you would leave me over it. And it's like, so wait, you think that I'm the type of person who puts up with that kind of bad behavior?

Sammi: it was very, yeah.

Steve: repeated bad behavior?

Sammi: I was like, okay, you've been doing this for probably years and you just think, you're like, well, I think she's the kind of person who just deals with it and just accepts being treated poorly.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Like, that's the vibe I got from Dale. It was very similar to that where it was just like,

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: Oh, well, we like... I thought that we were okay. I thought we were in a good place. And it was like, I thought you would put up with this and especially not bring it up when my comfort is on the line, right? It's like, I don't want my situation to change.

Sammi: I like where things are. I'm going to do whatever I want. But I just, if I had known you'd have such a bad reaction to me kissing someone else and not telling you, i guess I would have told you, you should have just asked me.

Sammi: I just figured it would come up organically. So strange. I'm like, there must be something where she asked him because I feel like in no universe Kat wouldn't have asked him.

Steve: It's really weird. and

Sammi: I don't know. That's my assumption. And he like skirted over it.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And then he's saying something different now. That to me is what it seems like.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: It's like, well, you didn't ask the question in the right organization of words so I could answer in this really shifty way. and like that's what I think it is.

Sammi: I swear.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: i swear. Anyway, I could be wrong. that's my That's my guess.

Steve: it's It's really strange. No, I agree with you.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: It's it's real bizarre shit.

Sammi: So now we're one hour, 19 minutes, and let's talk about the Goldens. um

Steve: Yeah. What do the Goldens do? We've covered the youngsters. Let's talk about these Goldens.

Sammi: I'm so happy with the Goldens. Honestly, I just wish there were more of them. And I do think April did fuck them over.

Steve: Oh, yeah.

Sammi: And she's like, oops.

Steve: She totally ruined the math on that. That was great.

Sammi: Yeah, but it was funny. was good TV. But she was like, oh, oops. But no one can say man at April because she's like so cute. So she's like, sorry, guys. um

Steve: sorry I'm a free spirit I'm just doing free spirited things also like if if you're April and you're on the island you smooch some guys you're like yeah this is fine or whatever but you're not like seeing your dude or a dude who could be your dude um yeah I'm gonna go and I'm gonna give my roast to Jonathan because he's got a six pack like if you're just like that guy's hot and I want to look at him awesome

Sammi: But yeah. I'm just a chicken lady.

Sammi: Well, and he it's clear that he spent a lot of time with the Goldens and they like all like him.

Steve: mm-hmm yeah

Sammi: So he was like hanging. And honestly, again, that would be what I would do in Paradise.

Steve: Totally.

Sammi: I'd be like, I'm going hang out with the Goldens pretty much the whole time. Sorry.

Steve: i would get blackout drunk and just, yeah, completely go golden mode.

Sammi: And he like, he like picked up on their vibe. He's like, they are here to party and they're partying harder than we are. And I was like, yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And that's why he's hanging out with them. Cause he's like, you guys are fun. Like, why wouldn't you? It's so fun. Anyway. So, so yeah. So we've got, um, let's see, uh, who, who came in?

Sammi: So April and Kim and yeah, RJ and Keith and Natasha with her chair earrings.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Okay, ki what's what's the chair earring? Can someone explain it to me? what what um What's going on here?

Sammi: Okay, so remember when, okay, in the Golden Bachelor, Natasha was the one who said, why are they making a stand for the rose ceremony?

Steve: who

Sammi: They should give us all chairs.

Steve: Oh, I need a chair. They should give us all chairs, yes.

Sammi: And so then since then, she's been wearing chair earrings. She like wore chair earrings at the reunion. She was, yeah, wearing chair earrings in paradise.

Steve: Okay. This is this is her cause this is her cause that she's championing.

Sammi: Yeah. Yeah, this is her cause.

Steve: Okay.

Sammi: Like give the women chairs.

Steve: Okay. I like that because as someone who watches all this stuff and is like, and does a podcast with his friend, Sammy, I was like, what is, what is this for?

Sammi: So yeah.

Steve: Which is great because that means most of America is probably like, who is this kooky woman with multiple chair earrings?

Sammi: Yeah. So yeah, and Natasha was like, give the women chairs. And that's why she's got her. So when she showed up, I was like, does she have chair earrings on?

Steve: Okay.

Sammi: And sure enough, she did. um And then, okay. Yeah. Kathy, our queen. um And then Jack. Oh my God. And then this is my favorite thing. When Jack came in, he goes, if it's not the one, then you gotta go to the next one.

Steve: Amazing.

Sammi: I love you, Jack.

Steve: Jack is incredible.

Sammi: Never change.

Steve: Yeah, be my Southside Chicago dad, Jack.

Sammi: Never change.

Steve: Please adopt me.

Sammi: Yeah. And then there was CK. I remember him a little bit. I didn't remember RJ at all. I remember CK a tiny bit.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Um, and then, yeah. And then Jesse's like, listen, uh, don't make it weird.

Steve: think

Sammi: Cause like, we want to do this again. so just like, don't make it weird. Okay. Thanks. Um, And then, yeah, like April and Kat, like um people are saying that they like I really thought April and Parisa kind of match each other.

Sammi: But April and Kat, like they're like, I think Kat like April is Kat like 30 years from now or whatever. And I was like, OK, actually accurate.

Steve: ah

Sammi: All right. See, but that's the thing.

Steve: 30 years, some healing crystals, and a little bit of therapy later, and you've got April.

Sammi: Yeah. And like a little a little chicken farm, hobby farm.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: um So, yeah. So, they're like really, yeah, all about each other. And then Andrew also comes in at this time. all right. Anyway. So, okay. So, the Goldens.

Sammi: What do we have for pairing so far? So, Kathy and Keith, which I think they balance each other very well because...

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Sort of, but, like, i don't think Keith wants to, like, bang her. He's just like, I just like Kathy. She's cool. Like...

Sammi: Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens. But I do think like she has like a level of intensity and he has a level of levity that could work well. We'll see how it goes. Yeah, April smooching everybody, which good for her.

Steve: yeah she's yeah good for her i just go off queen like that's everybody should be doing this the goldens get it and they're also less pouty about it like they're all just like i'm gonna try and bang everybody especially gary oh gary walked in ready to sow his oats the oats were being sown yeah it was great

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: yeah And then they're like, it didn't. Gary is like a ladies man. my God. Well, he's got like he that the, I mean, one of like Gary is such like a sweet man, but one of like the things that he has going for him the most is his absolutely intense eye contact.

Sammi: Like, and I saw that like, you know, on the golden bachelorette and like the women were like, when he looks at you, he like really looks at you. He looks through your soul. And I'm like, I see that from the TV.

Sammi: Like, yeah.

Steve: I don't like his questioning though.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: He, he talks like a LinkedIn bot. Like he's just like, what be I, I hate how he just, he just looks at people and he's just like, so who, who is Kathy?

Sammi: Why do you say that? No, I'm being him. Say more about that. Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Don't, don't say that you weird ass.

Sammi: Oh my gosh. Well, you know, and okay, listen, I'm always going to ride for Kim, um but oh my God, he's so awkward.

Steve: Talk about weird asses. Oh my God. He's like a Tim and Eric character. Like he, so Gary's like, Hey, it's me. The guy that everybody wants to bang. Tell me, tell me who you, what is your essence?

Steve: And then Kim comes over. He's like, I have a goiter.

Sammi: He's like, i wrote I wrote you a poem because you gave me a rose.

Steve: What? I wrote you a book. What if we all sang a song? like, Kim, we like you, but you have to stop, dude.

Sammi: You gotta chill.

Steve: You got to stop being weird. And it's weird because like Kim is just like nationally handsome.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Like you see Kim sitting across in the bar and the old ladies are like, okay. And then the moment you talk to him, you're like, oh, oh no.

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: You're coming in real hot, Kim. You got to pump the brakes a little bit.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: um Yeah. And I think, you know, in terms of like being the most natural, I would say like Keith and Jack are definitely the most like natural in their element, like just by being having a good time, you know.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: But yeah, poor Jack. It just didn't work out for him this time. I was really sad.

Steve: Oh, no.

Sammi: I just always want more Jack on my tv

Steve: Jack is too pure for this world. He's too much he's too much of a real one.

Sammi: He's so good.

Steve: You know, that's it's all of our favorites.

Sammi: I just like love him. yeah he is my favorite.

Steve: He's too real.

Sammi: And I'm so so like, cause it's like, he didn't get a lot of time in the golden bachelorette. And I was like, please come to, yeah. Like if there's a golden paradise, he needs to be on it. And I was so happy to see him on there.

Sammi: And then it was just like, yeah, gone too soon.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: He was just so, I don't know. i I hope he really enjoyed the accommodations and the pool.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: Cause I didn't hear him talk about that too much, but I think he talked about the food a little bit. um

Steve: you

Sammi: But yeah, like i just I just really like there's nothing I enjoy more than watching him walk around the space and going, oh, my God, look, they got that, too. Oh, that's so nice.

Sammi: Oh, I really like this.

Steve: Yeah

Sammi: This. Wow. This is really fancy. Yeah.

Steve: Well and they don't get mad either Like jack's Jack's been around the block man Like he's just like ah I made out with that chick but someone else made it out with her now And like rubbing her shoulders and That sucks but what are you gonna do

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah, that's all right. I'm in a pool. It's fine.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: i got drinks.

Steve: Somebody tossed me another cold one.

Sammi: I got a pool. Yeah, I'm so sad. But yeah, it seems like he had a good time. And then, yeah, so we have Leslie coming in.

Steve: Yeah. Oh,

Sammi: And, you know, Leslie is also like quite the hot commodity for sure, and which is not surprising at all.

Steve: oh yeah. Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah, lo like Leslie's beautiful.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: She's great. She's lovely. and it And it creates the only real golden friction that we have. We have April's chaos of choosing ah a regular contestant instead of a golden contestant.

Sammi: ah her

Steve: Okay, so we're throwing off the numbers. But then you have Gary, who is... and Everybody wants a piece of Gary Love Machine Levinson. And so what ends up happening is when they're giving out the roses, Natasha...

Steve: chair lady chooses him but really he's like kind of with leslie basically so it creates this weird thing and then the other thing that's ambiently happening in the background had to give it to kim she's like i gotta give it to the weird guy yeah

Sammi: Yeah.

Sammi: And then, yeah, Leslie had to give it to Kim.

Sammi: I mean, she should have maybe given it to Jack. That's what I would have done if I was her, but.

Steve: no i i would have given it to jack but she's like no i'll give it to the the nice kid who just sits in the back and doesn't talk and sniffs markers uh

Sammi: Yeah, and then he's like, I wrote you a poem.

Steve: I wrote little poem. So you picked me. I guess that means we're loved now.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: It's going to get weird.

Sammi: ah

Steve: but But then you've got the the other like thing that's brewing is like, Keith and Kathy are kind of together, but he's just like, yeah, we're buds. Everybody is talking about Nancy. and And I don't, i'm not I'm not seeing it, but everyone is just willing to like give up everything to be with Nancy.

Steve: Like, oh my God, Nancy hit the beach.

Sammi: I mean,

Steve: What a hot piece of ass. And Kathy's like, our body. Ah.

Sammi: yeah, Nancy is a hot commodity for sure. But the thing that I think is going to be even more interesting next week is Faith is coming. Like Faith was like, you know, the hot horse girl.

Steve: yeah

Steve: yeah hot horse girl that's good that's gonna be big that's that's gonna really create some chaos also i think before we get anybody from the regular contestants banging if anyone bangs i guarantee some goldens are gonna bang they're probably already banging yeah

Sammi: I don't know.

Sammi: That's yeah. Yeah.

Sammi: I bet they already did. bet they already did. Also, did you did you ah notice that Sean said that he had Cialis? No judgment. But he like offered one of the golden Cialis. And I was like, isn't it normally?

Sammi: No judgment, Sean.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: No judgment. If you need what you need, that's totally.

Steve: Is he just popping it recreationally?

Sammi: But I was like. I don't know. don't

Steve: Is that like a baseball player in the 90s doing steroids?

Sammi: I don't know.

Steve: Like you don't really need it, but if you want to overperform, I guess you could take some.

Sammi: Listen, I like, listen, I don't want to know more about Sean than I need to know. I just thought it was interesting that he, Sean, I'm just curious.

Steve: Yeah. ah Sean, if you're out there, email us. Tell us about your penis. what

Sammi: No, I just thought it was kind of, I thought it was kind of interesting.

Steve: How's it working?

Sammi: He was like, if you need Cialis, I'm like, if if they, you think they don't have it in their suitcase, come on.

Steve: Yeah. Let's go to Sharon.

Steve: yeah ah Yeah, that's weird.

Sammi: Come on. Also though, I don't ever want to talk to Sean ever because he said that he puts beef tallow on his face. That's all I needed to know.

Steve: That's like, well, I mean, i know i know the the implications, but also even the idea, it's just like, if I can make French fries with something, I don't know if I should put it on my face.

Sammi: Well, I know everything about you if you say that. Mm-hmm.

Steve: I don't.

Sammi: Well, I mean, I use coconut oil in a lot of ways.

Steve: you can make You can make French fries. Yeah, that's true.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: That's true.

Sammi: So that's, I think, and like sesame oil and things like that. Those are all normal applications in Ayurveda, like sesame oil and um coconut oil and and and oils like that.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: But generally there's like a grade that you use on your body and a grade that you cook with.

Steve: Yeah.

Steve: Yeah. Uh-huh.

Sammi: Like there is, you can buy it where it's like, I don't cook with this.

Steve: i Isn't it amazing that we're living in the era of the politic the politicization of cow fat?

Sammi: I mean, i would be lying if I said I didn't see it coming.

Steve: a

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: So I will just be honest.

Steve: which is Which is awesome, too. Like a guy like RFK, who is just like the color of a whoopee cushion, right?

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: And he comes at you and he's just like, I just think that everybody should be flying their food in beef cattle. And then Steak and Shake is like, yeah, I...

Sammi: Whoa.

Steve: That guy's the guy who looks like his blood pressure is just going to like make the the thermometer break like in a Looney Tunes cartoon. That's the guy who definitely we should be listening to for sure.

Sammi: I mean, you know, i had this conversation with someone yesterday, I think. I was talking about the field that I'm in, the academic field that I'm in

Steve: hmm.

Sammi: And I teach, you know, undergrads. And some of them might even be listening and watching. And if you are, hi, because they don't have a show. um But like and but this is something we've talked about in class where I'm like, you have so much and we've actually brought up RFK and Maha and all that because I'm like, you have so much misinformation and disinformation you have to fight against as nutrition professionals. And how do you do it? There's this like great distrust in.

Sammi: uh, research and science and, and, um, the political arm of, of that work so much. And I mean, not to get super, like I could talk about this for literal hours, but there's so much that's been defunded. Like I went to a conference in June and half the presentations were like in a now, uh, defunded NSF project.

Sammi: And I'm like, Oh my God. You know? And it's like,

Steve: Awful. Mm-hmm.

Sammi: ah Yeah, I work with people, you know, like I know people who have like any NIH grants and things like that. And those are gone. Snap Ed is going and all of that. And so it's like in in an age like that, it's really dangerous to to have someone say that they put beef tallow on their face and a national show.

Steve: yeah

Sammi: And that's what I'm saying. There's there's so many elements of this this slip into fascism that we're seeing on this television show.

Sammi: These little side comments about like, you know, men can't drink out of straws or shave their legs or wear their ladies pants or whatever. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And then and then I'm putting beef tail my face like those are not just innocuous little jokey joke things like those are scary things to have people say on TV.

Steve: But you got, you got to have beef face. That's important.

Sammi: That's all I'm saying.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: So I'm going to get off my soapbox now.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: But if you've got more questions about that, I'm happy to answer them.

Steve: i the The only thing I want to say is if if I was going to, if I was full of like real crackpot ideas and I was going to deceive the general public, I think my first move would be, oh, I have to seem as legitimate as humanly possible and as smart as humanly possible so I can create that legitimacy.

Sammi: Right. Right.

Steve: But it's funny because... That's where my mind goes to. But legitimacy doesn't matter if you just have a shitload of money. And because ah RFK Jr., like, this is the guy who's he's telling you to do all these things.

Sammi: right

Steve: And then you see him and he's like hiking with his family and taking a dip in a piss river. Like it's a sewage runoff. He's just he's literally like waist deep in piss.

Steve: And this is the guy who's telling you what is and isn't healthy. And people are like, yes, I would like the beef tallow, sir, which I mean, I'm sure it tastes great, but like, who can, why are people mad at seed oils?

Sammi: Mm hmm. Yeah. yeah

Steve: what What does seed ever do to you?

Sammi: Right.

Steve: think they're great.

Sammi: Exactly. I mean, that's like but that's how like and this is this is a train that's been going for decades. Like this is something that people were sounding the alarm about in the 60s and 70s.

Sammi: So this is not like brand new information. It's just like people didn't want to hear it. um And I'm going, you know, this is about The Bachelor and I'm like, i'm going to talk about my academic work.

Sammi: But, um you know, I've been going through like archival records and things like this, and there's a lot of talk about like building greater connections with the community, needing to do more outreach, needing to build trust and, and you know, legitimacy and all of that.

Sammi: And there's just there is so much public distrust. We see, we you know, we see that in the ongoing pandemic that still exists, you know, and it's and people are like, i don't want to hear all that.

Steve: Pizzagate?

Sammi: You're trying to control me. You're trying to do whatever. And I mean, i feel like I was like one of the first people to ring the alarm bells of anybody like in my circles about QAnon in 2017.

Sammi: Like as soon as that whole like pizza thing, you know, happened, I was like, yeah, I was like, you watch out.

Steve: pizzagate

Sammi: This is going to be really, really bad. This is going to be really, really bad, you know, and there's just certain things like that that's that have I mean, even longer before. Obviously, the Tea Party was a big reactionary movement like

Steve: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What?

Sammi: There's all these things that um have long incorporated ideas about health. Like it's like they're lying to you in every direction possible and like what's in your food and what's in that. So it's really interesting to me that they chose to include that that thing that could seem like a throwaway comment, but is highly politicized in this environment. I mean, it it would be just as weird to have someone say, oh, I drink raw milk.

Sammi: Like that would be that carries just about the same amount of weight.

Steve: what

Sammi: So very odd choice.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: um

Steve: ah Well, guess what?

Sammi: Very shocking.

Steve: I love raw milk because I'm ride or die for Listeria. Mostly die. There's not a lot of riding. It's just dying.

Sammi: Yeah, you're like my you know what my diet is? It's just like a lot of cut lettuce, pre-cut lettuce, you know, lunch meat and raw milk. OK, that's like and lots of sushi.

Steve: baby. That's it.

Steve: Line me up.

Sammi: Get it wherever I can. Yeah. um But yeah, so anyway, um i don't have a lot more to say, actually. I did not mean to get so ranty, but if you all hear me do a special episode on this stuff about the pipelines that I see in reality TV, I'd be happy to share.

Steve: No, it's okay. We, we, uh,

Steve: but yeah, we, I think we covered everything. That was, ah that was quite episode roundup and it was nice.

Sammi: I think we did.

Steve: Cause we, uh, yeah, you know, we don't have to worry about the little machinations. It's just the, uh, the relationships and the weird new production and all the things. So, and I think it's good that we did one through four because I believe episode five is going to pop off.

Sammi: Yeah.

Steve: This is where the the competition stuff is going to start to play in.

Sammi: Yeah, I think this is like a setting the scene episode. We still have Mormon Wives stuff we want to record, too. So this just kind of saved us some time. So, I mean, at least you get an extra long episode out of it. And right now, as we stand, you know, we've got Justin Spencer, Kat and Dale, Bailey and Jeremy, Alex and Andrew, Natasha and Gary.

Sammi: Not really, but she that's who she gave the rose to.

Steve: She thinks so.

Sammi: Leslie and Kim, again, not really, but, you know. Um, yeah, April, April and Jonathan, not really, but, um, Parisa and Brian, Kathy and Keith and Jill and Sean.

Sammi: Did I miss anybody? I don't think I did.

Steve: It's everybody. Yeah.

Sammi: Yeah. So that's kind of where we're at right now. And, um, yeah, Nancy and Leah just came to the beach and then we know that faith is also coming. So it's going to be rough.

Sammi: I will say, let's close with this. I love that Kathy got so like, she thinks, um, Her this is what happens with all old people. it's not just Kathy, but like I because I people will be like, you're too young for this.

Sammi: And I'm like, actually, I'm not ah like i get do you get that all the time. People will be like, like, I'll say something like, oh, yeah, I watched that on like on beta, you know, and they're like, you know what beta max is?

Steve: yeah yeah well and the other thing is too is just like i get that there are people that are completely like disconnected from history and culture and all those other things but it's like i don't know i wasn't around when eight tracks were around but i know what an eight track player is and i know what an eight track is

Sammi: And I'm like, yes, we had one in the basement.

Sammi: Right. Well, like we have we had one. We have one in our house right now. We have an A-Trek in our house right now. You know, it's like I'm also like I mean, i think you you and I are both like fans of old media. You know, it's like I've got all of the old consoles, like, you know, 40 year old consoles in my house. It's like, I don't know what to tell you.

Sammi: But when she's like, she's like, well, have you ever used the Dewey Decimal System?

Steve: I know. It's like, yeah, I've been to a library.

Sammi: Which is like.

Steve: What are

Sammi: Yeah. I was like, I know a lot about Dewey. OK, and he sucks. So we can get into that sometime, too. What a terrible human. um And then she's like, well, what about a. Oh, oh, my gosh. My brain just like exploded.

Sammi: OK, remember that lady on TikTok? She had a really good story for this, too, who was like, you ever been Krispy Kreme?

Steve: No,

Sammi: Have you ever seen this video?

Steve: no i don't think I've seen this one.

Sammi: I'm going to post it in the... Don't let me forget. I'll put it in the show notes.

Steve: Okay.

Sammi: ah Okay. Krispy Kreme video. Okay. So let me... This is a good thing to end on. So there was this lady um on TikTok and she's just like walking through like a doorway or something like that.

Sammi: And she's like fiddling with her necklace and whatever. And she's like kind hunched over and she looks...

Steve: Hmm.

Sammi: And she's like, have you ever been to Krispy Kreme? And they go, you know, yeah. And she goes, was it... Was it Krispy? And they go, they go, not really. And she goes, right. Right. Right.

Sammi: And that's it. And it's one of the most like viral TikTok videos to ever exist. um But she actually did a great, and I will post that as well. um She did a great like 10 minute explainer for like what she was actually, at the point she was actually trying to get to.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: and it was like this great like historical story. I haven't, I don't remember all of it, but it was like really totally different than what you thought she was really getting at in that little snippet. But she has a great sense of humor about it And she's like, I can't believe like how,

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: big that got and how famous I got. And like people know who I am.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: They'll see me and be like, you're the Krispy Kreme lady.

Steve: Also accurate, neither crispy nor creamy in most instances.

Sammi: And Yeah.

Steve: Mm-hmm.

Sammi: She's like, right, right. Anyway, watch it. It's a funny video and I'll post the explainer too. But when she said that, it reminded, like Kathy reminded me of that because she goes, so have you ever used a floppy disk? and And then they were like, not floppy at all. And she's like, right, right. It's like, yeah. Was it floppy?

Sammi: Right, right. But I have used floppy disks that are floppy.

Steve: ah They have Cialis. It's fine.

Sammi: Yeah. Like it was weird because you had like those smaller disks that then people still called floppies.

Steve: Oh, yeah. the Yeah, they're still called floppies, even though they were hard.

Sammi: Yeah, it was so weird.

Steve: And then you had the big floppy disks that were like...

Sammi: But yeah, she. Right. She's like, what about the Dewey Decimal System, VHS and floppy disks and the rate? And then she goes.

Steve: Which Dewey Decibel System, that's such a weird one to pull out, too Yeah.

Sammi: It's still being used. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah.

Sammi: And she's like, what about the radio? And they're like, yeah. she goes, I'm not talking about your Spotify. And they're like, no, we listen to that like the radio. That's the thing. The radio still exists.

Steve: Yeah, it's not like this is gone.

Sammi: Like the Dewey Decimal System is still being used.

Steve: Yeah, if she was like, do you ever drive a Chevy Nova or something? i'd be like, no, because I'm not that old.

Sammi: Yeah, like it's like I've had I've had this experience where like older people ask me questions about shows that like have reruns, you know, like, well, you've never seen Leave it to Beaver. I'm like, of course I have.

Steve: and

Sammi: What do you mean? And they're like, how?

Steve: What do you know about the moon landing?

Sammi: How?

Steve: You weren't there.

Sammi: You weren't alive. And I'm like, I have eyes and I watched TV.

Steve: yeah well

Sammi: Like, what do you mean?

Steve: Especially now on the internet, it's like, yeah, I can access anything.

Sammi: Yeah, like I'll be like, yeah, I loved Burns and Alan. And they're like, what are you talking about? I'm like, I had PBS growing up. I didn't have cable.

Steve: Oh, I would have blown their mind.

Sammi: OK, I watch all the old people stuff. Yeah.

Steve: would have walked up to Kathy and be like, hey, Kathy, you fuck with Lawrence Welk?

Sammi: Yeah, Lawrence Welk was my show. OK, you don't even know.

Steve: you were You're the oldest fucking woman alive. Yes!

Sammi: Me?

Steve: Yeah. Yeah.

Sammi: Yes, that's what I'm saying. I just said before we started, right?

Steve: yeah

Sammi: Because what did you say that you were channeling? Oh, ah Nicole Richie in 2004.

Steve: Yeah, I'm i'm Nicole Richie in 2004, yeah.

Sammi: And I said, I'm Lily Tomlin present day.

Steve: but That's, yeah, that's that's our two personalities.

Sammi: and And that's the perfect way to end this episode. So um tune in post other events. We'll be back like in a little over a week, I think, with some more recaps. And until then, take care of yourselves and make sure don't say that that sunburn is going to turn into a tan.

Sammi: OK, Jeremy, we're SPF.

Steve: Yeah, and don't do needle drugs. Or it's just your body with beef gallo.

Sammi: No.

Sammi: We're being haunted.

Steve: ah It's a little bit RFK, a little bit Gollum.

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