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Rose Plate Special: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Season 1
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Before we hit the next season of The Bachelor, we give you one more bonus episode: Season 1 of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
First off, for more great LDS commentary, check out Jordan and McKay, the best in the game.
In this episode, we talk about the season, Nickelodeon, weird Wisconsin stuff, our desire to try Swig, and more. Are we team Whitney or team Taylor? You probably already know, but you won't know for sure unless you listen!
If you want to see us do more bonus episodes on other topics (books, TV shows, movies), let us know in the comments of wherever you're seeing this or email us at popculturediner@gmail.com. We're here for you and we'll see you next week!
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Overview
00:00:16
Sammi
Hello, I'm Sammy.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:20
Sammi
And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic, fruity, pebble zingist. ah
00:00:29
Sammi
I'm swigging ist. Oh, I was gonna go to like Sonic or something and get like a big soda for this one and I forgot swigging ist Mom talk will never surviving this ist Recap podcast of the bachelor and also the secret lives of Mormon wives ever
00:00:49
Steve
Ever.
00:00:50
Sammi
And we've got a very special episode today. We're going to be recording a season one recap of The Secret Lives of More and Wise. And I just rewatched it like over the past couple of days to like refresh my memory.
00:00:59
Steve
Yeah.
Tech Talk: Apple vs Android
00:01:00
Sammi
um But we were, before we started recording, we were getting in a very spirited discussion about Apple and Android ah because I have an Android phone. I've had an Android phone.
00:01:11
Sammi
I've never once owned an iPhone, never once in my life.
00:01:13
Steve
yeah
00:01:14
Sammi
um and like I was a blackberry girl like you know i like yeah that helps you like I loved the movie blackberry by the way if you haven't seen that movie you should watch it it is so good it is one of my favorite movies I watched a couple of years ago yeah it's so you haven't watched it
00:01:18
Steve
Of course you were.
00:01:26
Steve
Okay. Maybe I should watch Blackberry now. I haven't seen it.
00:01:31
Sammi
Jay Baruchel and Glenn Howerton, it's like incredible. It's incredible.
00:01:34
Steve
Oh.
00:01:35
Sammi
Everybody should, and the music ah unmatched. They really like captured that time. They start playing the strokes and you're like, I'm in the early 2000s.
00:01:41
Steve
Ooh.
00:01:44
Sammi
Anyway, but yeah, so like I was that, and then I had, I've had Samsung phones for 15, 16 years, something like that.
00:01:51
Steve
Mmhmm.
00:01:52
Sammi
And we were talking about how, you know, on Apple they like, ah deliberately make the quality of Apple or of um Samsung, like images and videos worse when you're messaging.
00:02:01
Steve
Mmhmm.
00:02:04
Sammi
And there's certain functionality like that you can't do. So we started texting each other stuff instead of because I'm trying to divest from meta anyway. And you're like, oh, can you I don't know how to get this link on my computer from a phone.
00:02:19
Sammi
And I'm like,
Tech Inconveniences & Divesting from Meta
00:02:20
Sammi
you're not messaging on your browser.
00:02:21
Steve
No, yeah because, because of course, like I message is like, they're like, no, you like you, you can only talk to your cool Apple friends.
00:02:23
Sammi
And you're like, no,
00:02:29
Steve
That's like everything. It's like this, like, I don't know. It's like this conditioning. It's very Pavlovian. It's just like, I see the green text and instantly I'm like, yeah.
00:02:37
Sammi
Yeah, that's so messed up. And we literally never think about it. That's the thing. You know, it's like it's one sided beef because Android users never think about Apple users until Apple users become annoying.
00:02:42
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:02:48
Sammi
Like that's literally what it is because it's like everything works.
00:02:48
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:02:51
Sammi
You know, it's like I go into my messages. Everybody looks the same. I can't tell what phone they're coming from until I see a shitty quality video come through. And then I'm like, oh, it's Apple because we're not able to see that it's like high quality because they down sample on like both sides.
00:03:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:03:07
Sammi
um But yeah, I use Google messages so I can just like like with WhatsApp, which I'm also trying to kind of move away from, but it's hard because you have clients on there and whatever. But um it's like, yeah, I just open it up on my browser and then if I need to access a link or send a link to someone, I just pair my device and copy paste like it's not hard.
00:03:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:03:22
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:03:28
Sammi
So but yeah.
00:03:29
Steve
Meanwhile, I was like, I'll just air drop it to myself. Fuck. I can't do that. Then I was like, Oh, now I'll just look at it. No, it's not on iMessage. And then what I ended up doing was you emailed it to me, but then my browser was freaking out for some reason.
00:03:36
Sammi
Yeah.
00:03:39
Steve
So the the way that I ended up getting it to work was I copied the link and then I texted to myself. So your green turned into a blue and then I was able to click it and then it worked just fine.
00:03:52
Sammi
And then you're like,
00:03:52
Steve
So here we
Android Appreciation & iPad Critique
00:03:53
Sammi
I'm going to go on safari to solve it too.
00:03:53
Steve
are.
00:03:55
Sammi
So it's just like, it was like, yeah um, yeah, so funny, but I do own one Apple product and that's an iPad because I do think they make the best tablet.
00:03:55
Steve
Yes. Yeah.
00:03:59
Steve
Great stuff.
00:04:05
Sammi
I don't, there's not a better tablet on the market unless you're going to go like maybe surface. And then it's like, you might as well buy a laptop. You know what I mean? so
00:04:13
Steve
Yeah.
00:04:14
Sammi
When it comes to tablets, I do think iPad is the best. I think their Apple pencil is really good and all that stuff. So like I'm on board and I bought like the lowest tier iPad, like a three hundred dollar iPad with like Gen 1 pencil.
00:04:29
Sammi
And I really do like it.
00:04:29
Steve
Mhm.
00:04:31
Sammi
But and I bring it with me to campus a lot to present when I don't need like the full functionality
Tech Stigmas & Reality Show Segue
00:04:36
Sammi
of a computer. If I'm not using like a statistical software or something like that, I'll just bring that.
00:04:41
Steve
Mhm.
00:04:42
Sammi
And I'm presenting on like Google Slides or Canva or whatever. And but what I really hate is if my iPad is low, if the battery is low and I have to present in class, the lightning port only allows me to present and it doesn't charge the iPad, which makes no sense to me because it's like you have a PC and you, you know, you connect it. It's like you put in a USB C and it's like, do you want to do everything?
00:05:07
Sammi
Do you want to like trans?
00:05:07
Steve
you Yeah
00:05:08
Sammi
It's a sometimes overkill, right? It's like, do you want to transfer photos and also share data and also do it as a backup and also charge? And I'm like, I just was charging my phone. Just so calm down. I don't need all that right now. um But it's like, yeah, we were just talking about how annoying the lightning port is and how they have to change everything over to USBC now because the European Union got mad.
00:05:27
Sammi
Yeah.
00:05:27
Steve
But yeah, but as I was telling Sammy, it's it's not about her being correct on all these points. It's about me just wanting to be cool and just doing some adult bullying, because that's all we have left.
00:05:35
Sammi
Yeah.
00:05:38
Steve
Like, I can't be like, you're dumb. You you got a silly face you or like makes fun of some kid because he doesn't have the right Pokemon cards or something. Like, all I have in my life is, oh, green text.
00:05:48
Sammi
Oh, you've green text.
00:05:49
Steve
What do you think?
00:05:50
Sammi
Oh.
00:05:50
Steve
Ew, green text her.
00:05:53
Sammi
So on the topic of adult bullying, let's talk about mom talk
00:05:55
Steve
Oh, yeah.
The Bachelor Update & Live Posting Plans
00:05:56
Sammi
and let's talk about the secret lives of more.
00:05:57
Steve
Talk about adult bullying, baby. That's all you have.
00:05:59
Sammi
Yeah.
00:05:59
Steve
it It's like iPhone, Android, or you have to be like a Mormon mom. That's...
00:06:04
Sammi
Yeah. OK. Yeah. So it was interesting. It was fun to rewatch because there were certain things that I like 100 percent forgot about. And I don't know exactly how we're going to go about this recap. It's going to probably go all over the place.
00:06:15
Sammi
Oh, a couple of updates before we get into the new season, because we have the new season of The Bachelor coming up tomorrow.
00:06:19
Steve
We do.
00:06:20
Sammi
Tomorrow.
00:06:21
Steve
Oh, yeah, it is.
00:06:21
Sammi
Isn't it tomorrow? Oh, my gosh. So exciting. I will be home. um I did start a new Blue Sky account um for the podcast, and I'm going to try to live post my feelings and reactions.
00:06:27
Steve
Ooh. Ooh.
00:06:33
Steve
Oh, that's exciting.
00:06:33
Sammi
So, and it's just our domain. So it's popculturediner.com. So you can find us there if you're interested in checking out the blue sky.
00:06:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:41
Sammi
I'm not going to say I'm going to live post every time, but I am free tomorrow night. So that is my
Jilly Box & Self-Care Products
00:06:46
Sammi
plan is to live post. um But anyway.
00:06:48
Steve
And I'll comment on all your live posts and be like, nah, ahh you're wrong.
00:06:53
Sammi
You suck. um But also, so I just signed up for the new Jilly box. Oh, I'm wearing my one of my Jilly necklaces right now.
00:07:00
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:07:00
Sammi
um Yeah.
00:07:01
Steve
Jilly swag. This is how dedicated we are to the to the show, guys.
00:07:03
Sammi
Yeah.
00:07:04
Steve
Like.
00:07:04
Sammi
Yeah. Jilly, please. Jilly, please. um But yeah, so I signed up and it's all about like self care for the spring. And the only thing I know is she had like a ridiculous amount of add ons and I bought one of them and it was like a honk shoe, honk shoe um pajama dress.
00:07:20
Sammi
Um, so I'm very excited to walk around with my way. I have to get like a sleeping cap. It's like that kind of a like loose, you know, flowy, whatever. Um, and I'm going to feel like I'm from the turn of the century or what have you.
00:07:33
Sammi
Um, so I'm really excited for that. Um, also
Nail Art Inspirations & Future Plans
00:07:36
Sammi
I just need to show everybody, I mean, I'll have them on the next episode, but I need to show everybody while we're talking about the internet, I've got AOL instant messenger nails this time and I need everybody to see it.
00:07:42
Steve
Ooh. That's amazing.
00:07:47
Steve
How did you?
00:07:49
Sammi
because ah my nail tech really went above and beyond.
00:07:50
Steve
How is that an option?
00:07:52
Sammi
ah i came in I came in and I was like, can you give me AOL instant messenger nails? And she was like, let's do it. I literally couldn't find any inspo because no one else on the internet has posted.
00:08:02
Steve
Did no one's ever, at I think that's the most Sammy ass shit I've ever heard.
00:08:06
Sammi
I'm like, can I get aim nails? And these are the colors I used to use. You know, like obnoxious, like it would be like green background, pink text, you know, pink, pink background, yellow text.
00:08:11
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:15
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:18
Sammi
And my away messages were always Jack Handy quotes.
00:08:21
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:22
Sammi
For those of you who know Jack Handy from the old SNL days.
00:08:25
Steve
Yeah, ah congratulations on one finding a nail tech like over the age of 30 who knew what you were talking about.
00:08:26
Sammi
Yeah.
00:08:30
Sammi
She's actually younger, way younger than me.
00:08:31
Steve
That's important. What? How is that possible?
00:08:34
Sammi
Yeah, she was kind of she just rolled with it.
00:08:35
Steve
Did she know what it was?
00:08:39
Sammi
She's very like game for whatever.
00:08:39
Steve
Okay.
00:08:40
Sammi
Like I come in and I'm like, here's an idea. And she's like, she's like, OK, let's find some pictures.
00:08:43
Steve
She kind of knows what she's getting into. Yeah.
00:08:47
Sammi
And she like I mean, the fact that she saw like, you know, the image of this and painted this on my nail with the outline and everything, neither one of us breathed. We're just sitting there like holding our breath as she's doing like the black outline on this.
00:09:01
Sammi
And then we're like, oh, we did it. um was amazing.
00:09:06
Steve
That's so good
00:09:06
Sammi
But yeah, she just kind of like, I'll be like, this is what I'm thinking. And she's like, I'm with you. I'm with you. um I did talk to her about because at some point, Tuck and I are gonna get like remarried at Kiss Mini Golf.
00:09:19
Sammi
So we've been talking about what kind of kiss nails we would want to do.
00:09:24
Steve
Ooh.
00:09:24
Sammi
So we're already like starting to, you know, who know, I'm like, I literally have no idea of the date. this anything I'm like, but you know, ah because yeah, but we're planning out the nails.
00:09:32
Steve
We're planning out the nails for sure.
00:09:34
Sammi
And I'm like, and maybe we have to practice a couple times.
00:09:35
Steve
ah
00:09:37
Sammi
And she's like, this sounds fun. This sounds fun. So
90s Nickelodeon Aesthetic & Shows
00:09:39
Sammi
she's that kind of person. um No, she's like in her early 20s, I believe. So she yeah, she doesn't have a big frame of reference for aim at all.
00:09:44
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:09:47
Steve
that's That's great, though, because like I feel like if if you don't have a frame of reference for 90s Nickelodeon and like AOL Instant Messenger and all those things, like you are the embodiment of that culture.
00:09:48
Sammi
Yeah.
00:09:58
Steve
like If I didn't know any better, like I could totally picture you just on a show, like, live from Nickelodeon Studios!
00:09:58
Sammi
Yeah.
00:10:04
Steve
It's Sammy! And then you're like, sliming some kid. like that's That's your entire aesthetic.
00:10:09
Sammi
Oh, that's like so complimentary. You know, it's like I was just talking about because like so Sherry Lewis's ah daughter ah posted a video with lamb chop singing from Les Miserables, like a song from Les Miserables, rob ah which is amazing.
00:10:23
Steve
Oh.
00:10:25
Sammi
Like, you know, like in protest and all that. And she liked my comment. And I was so excited. And I was like, yeah, two of the biggest compliments I could get are like you're kind of like lamb chop in real life. And And like ah yeah like you're the physical embodiment of 90s Nickelodeon.
00:10:37
Steve
ah
00:10:42
Steve
You are. You are, seriously.
00:10:42
Sammi
But that's wonderful. like I love that. I was trying to explain
Critique of TV Shows & Nostalgia
00:10:46
Sammi
um ah Secrets of the Hidden Temple to Tuck the other day because we were watching Frogger.
00:10:48
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:51
Sammi
I don't know if you've watched any episodes of Frogger.
00:10:54
Steve
No, no.
00:10:55
Sammi
It's bad.
00:10:56
Steve
Okay.
00:10:56
Sammi
It's really bad. It's like, but it's like an obstacle course, and but the and with light Frogger branding. Okay.
00:11:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:02
Sammi
But it's, it's basically like wipe out, but Frogger themed. And for some reason, instead of doing like eight bit everything, which would have made it like really cool. They, they did go all out with the set.
00:11:14
Sammi
I will say, I feel like the props are like very well constructed. but very difficult. So like no one can actually make it through the course. So instead of having people in the final who like make it all the way to the end, it's like they fell the least amount of time.
00:11:27
Sammi
So they get to the final. like it's No one is doing well enough.
00:11:29
Steve
What?
00:11:32
Sammi
like They made the course too hard for anyone to like really beat. But also they have this like boss that's like a smelly toad and it's like really bad.
00:11:38
Steve
What?
00:11:43
Sammi
um computer animation.
00:11:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:46
Sammi
And it's so bad. It's so bad. um Yeah, wait, hold on. And then I don't know one of the hosts. I'm trying to look him up real quick.
00:11:56
Sammi
um Is that his name Kyle brand? Um, I, I probably should know him, but I don't know him.
00:12:03
Steve
Hmm.
00:12:04
Sammi
Um, yeah. So this guy, Kyle Brandt, okay. He was on good morning football. I don't know.
00:12:09
Steve
I don't know what that is.
00:12:10
Sammi
Uh, but then, but then also Damon Wayans Jr. is one of the hosts of Frogger and I, and it's literally like, you just were like, you're going to pay me to do this.
00:12:13
Steve
Oh!
00:12:18
Steve
Sure.
00:12:19
Sammi
Like, okay. And I would do it for a check too, but it's like, they're trying to make things funny that aren't funny.
00:12:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:25
Steve
Little rod.
00:12:25
Sammi
You know, it's like very cheesy jokes. Anyway, Um, I don't know why I got into this. Um, why was I talking about frog legends of the hidden temples?
00:12:30
Steve
Legends of the Hidden Temple.
00:12:32
Sammi
I was trying to explain to check like what legends of the hidden temple was.
00:12:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:35
Sammi
And like, if I, if I had been on a, like, there's a few game shows and reality shows that I would love to be on. And I did almost make it onto a reality show. I think I talked about that on the podcast before, but I did not make it.
00:12:47
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:12:48
Sammi
And that was good. Um, cause it wouldn't, it didn't make sense for me watching it on TV. I was like, Oh yeah, I'm not that nerdy.
00:12:55
Steve
And that show was Rock of Love starring Brett Michaels.
00:12:58
Sammi
No, that show was ah what a King of the Nerds. It was King of the Nerds.
00:13:01
Steve
Oh, yeah okay.
00:13:02
Sammi
I had I had made it pretty far into the rounds of video auditions. And then when they actually saw me, I think they were like, oh, she's actually too normal, which is amazing. And they're like not nerdy enough and she can't go.
00:13:12
Steve
Yeah. No.
00:13:15
Sammi
She's too social like.
00:13:17
Steve
Yeah. If only you would have walked into the, the audition and be like, uh, hello.
00:13:22
Sammi
Yeah, that's what I mean. I was just myself on the video because I'm like, well, if you don't like who I am, then that's yeah, then you're not like I didn't play into a character.
00:13:25
Steve
That's your problem.
00:13:29
Sammi
I was just me. And they were like, well, she obviously knows nerd things, but she presents herself like too normally.
00:13:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:36
Sammi
So we got to we got to cut her. um But anyway, like Supermarket Sweep, um Legends of the Hidden Temple and The Mole are all shows I would have like died to be on.
00:13:46
Sammi
Those are like
Nickelodeon Conspiracy Theories
00:13:47
Sammi
my all time favorite like reality and game shows. Um, so, but anyway, uh, he had no idea what that was, but yeah, Frogger, I wish they would redesign it.
00:13:57
Sammi
It is a, it is not a good show as is. I do not think it will last past season one, but good for Damon Wayans Jr. Getting that check. I mean, you know, yeah.
00:14:05
Steve
Yeah, that is good. Do you want to hear my Nickelodeon conspiracy theory before we talk about the secret lies of Mormon wives?
00:14:06
Sammi
Yeah. Yes. Yes.
00:14:10
Steve
Okay.
00:14:10
Sammi
Yeah.
00:14:12
Steve
I'm a Nickelodeon guts truther. That's kind of my designation I've given myself.
00:14:15
Sammi
Okay. Okay.
00:14:17
Steve
ah Nickelodeon guts, for those of you who don't know, maybe some of our younger listeners slash viewers. was a TV show in the 90s, very similar to Legends of the Hidden Temple, also very similar to American Gladiators, wherein ah you know three different kids would participate in a series of athletic challenges, and then whoever did the best, ah they they like the final thing they got to do was they climbed this mountain called the Aggro Crag.
00:14:47
Steve
and then like all your points are added up at the end and then if you have the best time on the aggro crag then you win and when you win this is the thing that they tell you you get to keep a piece of the rock you get to keep a piece of the aggro crag okay now how many episodes of this show are there I don't know 50 100 200
00:14:58
Sammi
Mm!
00:15:06
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know a lot. Yeah.
00:15:07
Steve
a lot. It ran for years, years, years, years.
00:15:09
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:15:11
Steve
And even after like the regular show stopped, they like redid it as like, ah you know, international guts. And it was like, it was a whole thing. Okay. Every single one of these episodes, a child allegedly is given a piece of the Agro Craig.
00:15:27
Steve
Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that these pieces exist out in the wild. However, ah when I was in college, ah there was a spin off Nickelodeon show. It was literally called Nickelodeon Games and Sports. It was just like deep in cable television back when people just had cable. And so me and my roommates would, we would sit around and we would drink cheap beer and we would yell at the TV while watching Guts as you do.
00:15:51
Sammi
Yeah.
00:15:51
Steve
And eventually what we figured out was we were like, we're like, I wonder like, what, what happened to the, the agrocrag pieces? And we spent literally the entirety of, of college and beyond that, like looking on eBay for a ah piece of the agrocrag. Cause you tell me nobody's selling a piece of the agrocrag. There's, they're just not out there. No agrocrag pieces found. They're not there. I don't think these kids got to keep the agrocrag pieces. So.
00:16:19
Sammi
It's funny because there's a there's a there's a lot on there's a lot on eBay, but they don't look like the actual pieces.
00:16:19
Steve
I believe it is a myth.
00:16:26
Sammi
They look like recreations.
00:16:26
Steve
Exactly. They're reproductions.
00:16:29
Sammi
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:29
Steve
They're fakes. They're fakes, okay? Oh, some of you
00:16:33
Sammi
Or
Mormon Culture in Media
00:16:34
Steve
conspiracy theorists are like, the moon landing was fake.
00:16:35
Steve
No, the aggro crag was faked. There's no pieces of the aggro crag out there.
00:16:38
Sammi
Wow. That's so interesting. One more piece of lore before we move on. I never had cable growing up.
00:16:46
Steve
Oh my God.
00:16:47
Sammi
So even though you think I'm like a 90s Nickelodeon kid, the only time I got to watch Nickelodeon was at friends houses.
00:16:52
Steve
Mm-hmm Wow You're
00:16:56
Sammi
You know, so like I yeah, I soaked it in as much as I could.
00:16:58
Steve
like I didn't watch Nickelodeon I was Nickelodeon that's Yeah, yeah his hair is bad now Mm
00:17:03
Sammi
Like I was like, I need a student. I mean, when we got one Saturday morning on ABC, that was like when I actually got to watch Doug in my house. And then everyone was like, what's the new Doug? It's not good anymore. And I'm like, you know, and I'm like, I don't get Disney.
00:17:16
Sammi
I don't get Nickelodeon. You know, um so like I grew up watching.
00:17:17
Steve
-hmm
00:17:20
Sammi
ah This makes more sense. The marks like Groucho Marx, You Bet Your Life. George Burns and Gracie Allen. I dream of Jeannie and Bewitched. Like that's the shit that I watched growing up.
00:17:29
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:30
Sammi
And I think that makes more sense than Nickelodeon, to be honest.
00:17:33
Steve
Yeah. and And this is where we revealed to our podcast audience that you're actually my grandpa.
00:17:34
Sammi
So.
00:17:38
Steve
So.
00:17:39
Sammi
So and in in true sheltered human fashion, let's talk about these Mormon wives.
00:17:44
Steve
ah Let's do it.
00:17:45
Sammi
OK, so.
00:17:45
Steve
Shouldn't every reality show just be in Salt Lake City with Mormon people? I think they're all the best.
00:17:50
Sammi
Well, I mean, the thing the thing that's interesting is so much of our media is informed by Mormon culture and people don't realize it. I mean, you and I realize it, but it's like I've been I've explained this to people so many times.
00:17:59
Steve
Hmm.
00:18:03
Sammi
I'm like, you don't understand, like all of the mommy bloggers, all of the early Instagram influencers, ah you know, if they were moms, if they were young women, if you know,
00:18:11
Steve
Hmm.
00:18:13
Sammi
ah not even flip a coin. It's like nine times out of 10 or greater. They were Mormon. um And people are like, how is it that like Mormons are so represented in like mommy blogger worlds and all of that? And it's because it's part of LDS culture. If you are a Mormon woman,
00:18:32
Sammi
you are supposed to document your life. So a lot of these women in the early 2000s, like when blogging became popular, started documenting their life in blogs and kind of became accidentally famous. So like, you know, deuce, which like we don't have time to get into all the deuce lore.
00:18:49
Sammi
Um, and like, um, that wife and, um, ah I mean, there's like so many like freckled Fox and like, there's so many like famous, like, and like ah I use famous loosely, but it's like, so salt Lake city and like Mormon culture is the epicenter of like mommy bloggers and like early Instagram influencers and then mom talk now.
00:18:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:12
Sammi
um Also, MLMs, there are more multi-level marketing companies in like Utah than like anywhere in the United States.
00:19:12
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:19:23
Sammi
so There's so much of our culture that is influenced by Mormonism in a way that I think most people don't even like see or recognize. Um, but it's,
Mormonism in Reality TV
00:19:33
Sammi
so it's interesting to see.
00:19:34
Sammi
And also, you know, that like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, all that stuff, um, more like, you know, and and there's like this weird, you know, you're, you're getting an A in LDS, like that kind of stuff, like in the church, you know, but it's like, you know, that they don't like it.
00:19:50
Steve
Yeah, yeah
00:19:54
Sammi
They don't like that these television shows exist. Um, But there it's like it's because of this repression that there's stuff that comes out in such interesting ways. I think that's what makes like Salt Lake City um you know Mormon or formerly Mormon you know women so interesting because there's just there's also like you know a lot of people who lot of women who ah use and abuse ah prescription medication and in ah Utah because of all
00:20:13
Steve
Mm-hmm I could see that.
00:20:24
Sammi
because of all the things that they're not allowed to do, there's like a very big problem there.
00:20:25
Steve
Yeah
00:20:29
Sammi
I mean, not to say that there aren't problems other places, but that, you know, and there's like this pressure to be perfect. And when you're documenting your life on a blog or on Instagram or whatever, and people are looking at your life,
00:20:41
Sammi
um And inside your church, there's this there's this pressure to have this perfect outlook. It's interesting to see these women be messy and real and make mistakes because, yeah, that's not like a commonly accepted thing, except they'll be like, Oh, everyone is welcome in the church. It's like, uh,
00:21:03
Sammi
No, I'm familiar with the things that you didn't didn't allow not that long ago. Oh, and the things you still don't allow now and if yeah.
00:21:08
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:12
Steve
It really, it's it's like the way I see it is, you know, I enjoy regular reality television, like I love Bravo shows, Love Me Some Housewives, like like all of it, all of it, all of it, obviously.
00:21:19
Sammi
Yeah, same.
00:21:23
Steve
I mean, here we are, we're doing this podcast, but ah the the thing I like about all the Salt Lake City stuff is is like,
00:21:25
Sammi
Yeah.
00:21:31
Steve
It's like if you've ever had a really good bowl of chili and there's some sort of like secret ingredient in there and you can't quite put your finger on it, but it's really like elevating things, you know, and the secret ingredient is Mormonism.
00:21:40
Sammi
Yeah.
00:21:41
Steve
Like, cause everything is just like, yeah, it's like, it's like everything that I like, but then there's a little twist.
00:21:42
Sammi
Yeah, it's the garments. It's the garments. Yeah.
00:21:50
Steve
So it's just like, Oh, I love the Real Housewives. And then, and then you're watching the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And then it's like, Oh, here's Mary Cosby. She married a grandpa. And I'm like, excuse me. She married a grandpa. You could just marry grandpa.
00:22:02
Sammi
Oh, my God. Mary Cosby is like I. Yeah. It's a whole other episode. Like we can't even get into that.
00:22:08
Steve
But like they they have all this stuff, so it's like it's like they have normal housewife, whatever issues, because you know each each different you know but location of real housewives, they have their own like little wrinkles.
00:22:14
Sammi
Yeah.
00:22:23
Steve
But fundamentally, they are the same thing. They are extremely wealthy women yelling at each other, which is what Salt Lake City is,
Cultural Pressures within Mormonism
00:22:31
Steve
but then you throw in this religious aspect and all of a sudden it's just like, oh, and now they're fighting because somebody brought wine to the prayer thing, even though the lady who said, why did you bring wine to the prayer thing is like whipping back martinis nonstop.
00:22:46
Sammi
Yeah.
00:22:47
Steve
And they're just like, what is even going on? It's beautiful. And then when you take that mold and you sort of pull it away from the housewives and their opulent wealth and the fact that they're you know they're older women.
00:23:03
Steve
And then you put it in the hands of these young women who are kind of messy in a different way, but also like just just trying to figure things out. And like you say, they're walking this line of documenting their life and and putting themselves out there, but also being like, oops, I had a ah naughty white claw, stuff that.
00:23:22
Sammi
Yeah, yeah, it's just weird. But here's the thing, like they do shit that like, I wouldn't do like they go farther than I would go. I mean, I'm a pretty straight laced.
00:23:31
Steve
Like drinking 96 ounce soda at 7 a.m. I wouldn't do that.
00:23:34
Sammi
Well, yeah, but like I'm a pretty straight-laced person. you know But I feel like, I don't know, like the the parameters of like the partying I've done have been pretty normal, like pretty average, like or below average.
00:23:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:45
Sammi
like i'm I'm kind of square, you know whatever. But I also, there's nothing that ah prevents me you know religiously from doing certain things. There's just things I have no interest in doing.
00:23:55
Steve
yeah
00:23:57
Sammi
So like it was interesting to rewatch this. And there were things that I completely forgot, like, oh, yeah, like they go get Botox. which like you can get without any like you don't need to. I mean, sometimes they'll like numb you or whatever.
00:24:09
Sammi
But like that's about it. But they do laughing gas.
00:24:13
Steve
Yeah, cuz it's the closest I can get to drugs Yeah, what's like why cuz it's cuz it's a horse tranquilizer and horses are animals of God like what's the reason Yeah
00:24:15
Sammi
Yeah, it's their it's their excuse to do laughing gas. And then they're like, Oh, yeah, when we did ketamine together, I'm like, I'm sorry, you did ketamine together? Like, like, that's
00:24:27
Sammi
Yeah, it's like it's like the circuitous thinking, you know, where it's like, well, well, like coffee isn't okay.
00:24:34
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:34
Sammi
But like, yeah, soda is so we drink these giant sodas.
00:24:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:39
Sammi
It's like, you know, well, and it's like, and i we won't even get into like soaking and all that stuff, because I don't want to talk about it.
00:24:45
Steve
Now, are they armpit thing?
00:24:45
Sammi
I'm not interested. But if like, Yeah, but if you okay, but like just like the BYU shit, like if you look that stuff up, you're like, that is so much weirder than like anything I did in college.
00:24:48
Steve
We're not going to talk about it. Mm-hmm.
00:24:59
Steve
Yeah, it's way worse.
00:25:01
Sammi
Like, I'm like, I did normal things in college.
00:25:01
Steve
No. ever
00:25:05
Sammi
Nothing like that.
00:25:05
Steve
Everything they do is like, we have a loophole for that.
00:25:05
Sammi
Nothing like that.
00:25:09
Steve
And it's the weirdest thing you've ever heard of.
00:25:09
Sammi
Yes.
00:25:11
Steve
And it's way worse in a lot of ways. Like what are you doing?
00:25:14
Sammi
Yeah, it's like I feel like covered that a little bit in the Book of Mormon, but like they didn't nearly address like all of like it's like when you hear about it, you're like, I'm sorry. Why do you think that's like somehow acceptable or better?
00:25:28
Sammi
Like even in like, listen, I don't care if you go to Chippendales. That doesn't bother me one bit, but it's just interesting because they're like, you know, they're like, well, should we go to Chippendales? And they're like, I think in the eyes of God, you're OK.
00:25:38
Sammi
And it's like.
00:25:39
Steve
a
00:25:40
Sammi
I don't know.
00:25:40
Steve
no
00:25:41
Sammi
I don't think so. Not based on your doctrines, but you know, it's just like, but everything is mental gymnastics for these women.
00:25:49
Steve
Mm-hmm. It seems exhausting, right?
00:25:49
Sammi
And yes, exactly.
00:25:51
Steve
Like...
00:25:52
Sammi
I'm just like, it would be so much easier to not do this.
00:25:54
Steve
No.
00:25:55
Sammi
I don't know. and But then also, like, if you watch like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, it's like extricating yourself from the Mormon Church is hard too. Because, you know, if your whole family is in it, you come from many generations of it.
00:26:06
Sammi
then it's like you have to go through you go through this very long breakup process. It's it seems very like entangled.
00:26:12
Steve
No.
00:26:14
Sammi
And it's weird because it's not like when people leave Scientology and then it's like, I mean, somewhat. But you know where it's like they're excommunicated and there's a smear campaign and they put a lot of money behind it.
00:26:25
Sammi
But it is like, well, it's just because you've got family upon family upon family and people might treat you differently and people talk and whisper and whatever.
00:26:31
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:26:34
Sammi
And there probably is
00:26:34
Steve
Oh, yeah, it's like a messy divorce, basically.
00:26:36
Sammi
Yeah it's it's not like to the level of Scientology like leaving Scientology but it is kinda like that where it's like well do you wanna blow up your life or would you rather just be like well I'm not a perfect Mormon but I'm still like I'm still practicing and.
00:26:45
Steve
me
00:26:51
Sammi
you know, whatever, because that's easier than just outright leaving.
00:26:52
Steve
who Oh, yeah.
00:26:56
Sammi
And then it's definitive. And then things get things get complicated in your personal life. So it's interesting to see these women who like very clearly, in my opinion, would be a lot better off if they were not in this church at all.
00:27:02
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah
00:27:10
Sammi
Like And they could find other things to connect with, I don't know, you know, to watch them inside this um structure is like, yeah, it's, it's interesting. And I mean, you know, they can choose, they can choose to do what they're gonna do.
00:27:25
Sammi
But it's, but it's interesting to see women who are on different it's it's a lot like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where it's like, and some some of the women and housewives are not even, you know, Mormon at all, or were never Mormon.
00:27:36
Steve
Mm-hmm It's I know it's like you're all weird and it like and the way they talk about it They're like so me and the Mormon Church have kind of a situation ship going.
00:27:37
Sammi
But um in this show, it's like, well, this is my relationship with the church right now. And, you know, and they're like, we're the good ones and we're the bad ones.
00:27:47
Sammi
And I'm like, I just don't know, like.
00:27:52
Sammi
You're all.
00:27:57
Steve
It's like you stop Yeah Mm
00:27:57
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's just, it's interesting, you know, but it's like, I understand why they're doing that because it's different from like, you know, like I was raised Lutheran, like ELCA Lutheran.
00:28:05
Steve
-hmm
00:28:09
Sammi
It was like, I don't know, you went or you didn't go. It didn't like fundamentally change your life.
00:28:14
Steve
now No, no.
00:28:15
Sammi
Like, you know what I mean? If you were like, if you didn't show up one day or you took a few months off or what are whatever, like,
00:28:19
Steve
Oh my God, can you imagine if Catholics were this serious? No. like
00:28:24
Sammi
Well, there that's just like it's just like it's supposed to be the guilt that lives here and you know, and it's like, you know, that's different, you know, um but it's like, yeah, so I just I
00:28:29
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:32
Steve
Yeah. That's what you do. If if you're Catholic, you go you go Christmas, you go Easter, and then you you just you feel guilty the rest of the year.
00:28:39
Sammi
the whole year yeah like that's that's and and then you're covered and then you're covered but it's like yeah like so i can't relate because it wasn't like i i didn't feel this huge like cultural pressure to like show up or not show up it was just like all my friends go here and we're all in confirmation together and we all hang out outside of here so like i'm gonna go just to like hang out with my friends like and
00:28:39
Steve
and That's it. That worked. You're good.
00:29:03
Steve
Yeah, yeah Mm-hmm
00:29:06
Sammi
And that was fine. But then when I went to college, I'm like, well, I don't live here anymore. So I just I'm going, you know what I mean? It wasn't like it wasn't like, oh, my God, my whole life has changed or anything like that. It was just so.
00:29:16
Steve
and And the cultural aspect of it, I mean, I think for certainly any like Christianity or something like Mormonism is it almost functions like a suburban adult social club.
00:29:27
Sammi
Yeah.
00:29:28
Steve
ah Because I think,
Salt Lake City Reality Show Appeal
00:29:29
Steve
especially if you go back a generation or two before like our generation, ah so we're like talking pre pre internet, basically. I feel like a lot of people, like you know they flood the cities, they move to the suburbs, but then they're just sort of like isolated out there.
00:29:45
Steve
And then you have like, oh, you're an isolated family and you've got three kids and what do you have you don't have anything.
00:29:45
Sammi
Yeah.
00:29:50
Steve
like There's so many adults that just don't have friends. It's crazy. like A lot of people our age, they have parents.
00:29:54
Sammi
yeah
00:29:56
Steve
It's like, who's your dad's best friend? It's like, I don't know the dog. like what
00:30:00
Sammi
Yeah.
00:30:01
Steve
Yeah, especially men.
00:30:01
Sammi
Yeah.
00:30:02
Steve
Men don't have friends, like old dudes.
00:30:03
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:30:04
Steve
Go find yourself a 60-year-old man and there is a like a very good chance that guy doesn't have friends. Or he's like, well, my buddy will in college. like No, let' let's talk to someone, like let's say someone you've talked to in the last five years.
00:30:17
Steve
It's crazy. ah So for so that's why that's religion kind of fills that hole for a lot of people because it's like oh well I get to interact with people and these are my friends because we go to church together we believe the same things and blah blah blah blah but in the back of my head I'm always just like you just go in here because you're a little lonely and the whole and the whole thing with Mormonism too is
00:30:17
Sammi
Yeah.
00:30:21
Sammi
Mmhmm.
00:30:32
Sammi
Yeah.
00:30:36
Steve
you know You see these people and and in the religion and everything, and then this the sort of subgroups that form within there, it's the same type of thing. And that is what binds all these women together in The Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. is there're sort of like I don't know, they they have this weird parasocial relationship where they're just like, they they have to be a part of this thing, whatever this thing is. and they And they just sort of feed off of each other. And even though they just kind of hate each other, and some of them are complete weirdos beyond the standard weirdo, that's your mint.
00:31:09
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, it's just it's interesting because it's like, you know, yeah, like I was raised in a very like progressive um Lutheran church.
00:31:09
Steve
definite
00:31:17
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:31:18
Sammi
So I I didn't realize how unusual my experience was church wise until I like experienced other places. And then I went, oh, this is this is not the same.
00:31:31
Sammi
like This is weird.
00:31:32
Steve
This church don't have snacks, what's up with that?
00:31:32
Sammi
ah Yeah, I'm like you don't have like like, you don't have fellowship in the basin or you know whatever. like Yeah, and you're not just like vibing.
00:31:39
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:41
Sammi
like you're're You're like converting people. That's weird. Okay, we don't do that. I'm confused. But you know yeah, like so for me, and then I went to a private college, but it was like a Methodist college.
00:31:54
Sammi
I didn't even think about it. I wasn't like, oh, I'm Lutheran and I'm going to a Methodist college.
00:31:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:58
Sammi
like I didn't even think about the implications of
00:31:59
Steve
The scandal.
00:32:02
Sammi
Yeah, I didn't think about the implications of that or even that like the private college was associated with a church at all and like I never went or and you know what I mean like um and I'm not like
00:32:05
Steve
Wow.
00:32:11
Steve
You're the Lutheran girl stomping around campus and everybody was whispering, watch out. She's going to nail her grievances to your door.
00:32:18
Sammi
Well, Methodists should also anyway, they're Protestant. So you're welcome. um We started it. So sorry.
00:32:25
Steve
ah Yeah.
00:32:27
Sammi
Anyway, this just becomes like a very well, I guess it's like you can't avoid it. It's like a very religious episode. Sorry, everyone. So ah but no, like I don't I'm not like I don't practice those things anymore.
00:32:38
Sammi
But also like it wasn't like, oh, That's a consideration for like where I go to college or anything like that because it's not like you go to an ELC like I don't even know if there is an ELC a college I don't think there is, maybe there is but I have, I have no idea. um And so, but it's interesting because I went to school with people who are Mormon.
00:32:57
Sammi
And like they all went to like BYU or other Mormon colleges. It's like they were in Wisconsin and they moved to Utah when they graduated because it's like that's what you do. You graduate, you go to BYU and you meet someone there and you marry them. Like that's the plan.
00:33:14
Sammi
So it is just it's like your whole life is kind of like prescribed for you. If you're in this church, no matter where you live, there's a good chance that you're going to like move out to Utah and like get married and have a bunch of kids and you know, and like do missions and all that stuff.
00:33:24
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:33:29
Sammi
um That's and there's so much much pressure on you with that kind of thing. And I just so I it's interesting to watch the inside of that and see people who aren't abiding by everything and they're feeling that pressure and they're pushing the boundaries where they can um and they're just trying to be like fun women having a good time and it's like but yeah within these yeah right exactly it's like
00:33:54
Steve
But are they having time? ah
Character Arcs in Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
00:33:58
Sammi
but there's always like this feeling of dread you know and and it's interesting because like I watched mom talk before
00:34:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:06
Sammi
before the show ever came out, I knew about like the soft swinging scandal because I remember like so like Taylor Frankie Paul is incredibly good at social media. Like she's brilliant at it.
00:34:16
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:34:18
Sammi
And I went from like hating her to loving her, which is ah so interesting. I feel like a lot of people experience that.
00:34:23
Steve
Oh, that's that's like her arc, like her arc on the on the show, because I feel like there's there's basically, there's three main characters, right?
00:34:25
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:30
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:34:31
Steve
So there's there's Taylor, who goes, we we we go from Oh, no, is she okay to Oh, my God, I hate her to Oh, my God, I love her more than anything in the world. She's the most precious person, which is a wild arc to go on in like 10 episodes.
00:34:39
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:43
Sammi
it is Yeah, it's yeah, it's fast.
00:34:44
Steve
It is a ride. It is a ride.
00:34:46
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:47
Steve
You've got that one. And then you the the other the other like main arc that you have is the Whitney arc.
00:34:48
Sammi
That one.
00:34:54
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:54
Steve
where you're like, is she okay to, by the end, you're like, is she Satan? Is she actually Satan? Maybe, I don't know. Also, why does she want to do homesteading?
00:35:02
Sammi
yeah
00:35:04
Steve
Why does she think she should be on a farm?
00:35:06
Sammi
ah Yeah.
00:35:06
Steve
And that's scary.
00:35:07
Sammi
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:07
Steve
And then, and then you've got the, they so you've got the, Whitney is this just like, this weird, benevolent presence in the show. Like that's how she's framed.
00:35:15
Sammi
yeah.
00:35:17
Steve
Taylor is this wild ride that you're, you're just like, you're against her, you're rooting for, you're worried about her. Like it's just emotionally all over the place. And then the real emotional core of everything. And I think this is like the the warm fuzzy thing or the thing you really cling to is the Jen plot because you're like, she's so sweet.
00:35:32
Sammi
ah
00:35:33
Steve
I love, she seems so nice and she's so religious, but but not in a mean way. She just seems great. And then you see her husband, you're like, oh, there's this fucking guy. This fucking guy.
00:35:44
Sammi
Yeah, yes, for sure, yeah.
00:35:45
Steve
Oh my God. And that's the thing. It's like, and and so you're like the entire time up until the end of the season, you're just like white knuckling for Jen, hoping that she's okay. Because as silly and ridiculous as the women on this show can be, the men are the worst people on the face of the earth.
00:36:04
Steve
Okay.
00:36:04
Sammi
Not all of them, but most of them.
00:36:05
Steve
yeah Most of them, most of them, once we get the most camera time.
00:36:07
Sammi
Yeah, some of them get a pass.
00:36:09
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:10
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:10
Steve
It's like,
00:36:10
Sammi
The ones you don't see and then you see them and out of the corner of your eye and you go, oh, yeah, well, he's got to be fine because like I don't see him at all.
00:36:14
Steve
Mm-hmm There's one guy where that like they just like he's only in like ah like 30 seconds of one episode But like somebody's just like he's just old Yeah,
00:36:22
Sammi
Yeah.
00:36:25
Sammi
Yeah. Wait, who wait, which one which one is the one in the age gap relationship? Is that to me?
00:36:29
Steve
i yeah yes to me
00:36:31
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. Like you don't really see her husband. You don't really see Jesse's and you don't really see Macy's. Well, you see Macy's a little bit more, but you're like, okay, so they're the good ones because you don't see them.
00:36:40
Steve
Yeah, and and just because they're like, they're just like guys and everybody else, it is just like, hey ladies, you think you hate men now?
00:36:43
Sammi
Yeah.
00:36:47
Steve
Watch the secret lives of Mormon lives. You're gonna hate them more than you ever have in your life.
00:36:52
Sammi
Yeah.
00:36:52
Steve
It's, oh my gosh. ah like it And even someone like like Whitney who is plays the role of the villain the whole time, like I'm just looking at her husband, I'm like, what is this guy's deal?
00:37:02
Steve
First of all, why is he changing his haircut every episode?
00:37:06
Sammi
Well, they both change their hair all the time.
00:37:06
Steve
That's weird. All the time.
00:37:09
Sammi
Well, that's what I'm okay. So like, all right, let's get into it.
00:37:10
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:12
Sammi
Well, okay. Well, first I want to talk about the soft squeeze.
00:37:13
Steve
I know I'm all over the place. I'm very excited.
00:37:15
Sammi
I know though I knew this was what it was going to be like. Um, no, but let's first talk about the soft swinging and then we'll talk about Whitney. But so I knew about the soft swinging before the show ever started because Taylor Frankie Paul was so good at the internet and she was good at like producing rage bait.
00:37:21
Steve
Okay.
00:37:28
Sammi
I don't think, well, I think she was kind of intentionally doing it. Um, cause she would post stuff like she would be like, Oh, I'm a 54 year old grandma. just like that. Do you remember that?
00:37:39
Steve
Yes. Yes.
00:37:39
Sammi
She also had like a haunted house storyline and stuff like that. Like she was just really good at like posting things that would get people to comment and she was just incredibly good at it.
00:37:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:50
Sammi
And so then when like the soft swinging stuff came out, I think people were like, wait, is this another
00:37:56
Steve
Is there a bit? People thought it was a bit.
00:37:57
Sammi
Yeah, it seemed like a bit because it was like she was always doing bits. And she like the only time she would pop up on my for you page is when she was saying something like completely like blatantly false and ridiculous.
00:38:08
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:38:09
Sammi
So I was like, Okay, there's just another thing. And then I'm like, wait, no, everything's falling apart. And she's getting divorced. And like, what is that? And then I was like, Wait, this is real.
00:38:17
Steve
Yep.
00:38:17
Sammi
Oh, no. And then like to hear her explain it, I'm like, oh, this is, and there's more that happens on TikTok, like more explanations on TikTok than you get on the show. But I was like, oh, this got really complicated really fast.
00:38:30
Sammi
And like the women who were involved like aren't even on the show. um One of them did um do like a multi-part series later, but we were all already on Taylor's side it's just too late.
00:38:42
Steve
Yeah, it's like, it's too late.
00:38:42
Sammi
to
00:38:43
Steve
Yep. Yeah.
00:38:43
Sammi
It was too late to change public opinion. Sorry. um But that's the thing.
00:38:46
Steve
yeah
00:38:47
Sammi
Here's the thing that's interesting about Taylor because she went from kind of like um going all the way out. My switch is vibrating. Okay. Hold on. Okay. done It's like you need to work out.
00:38:57
Sammi
I'm like, no. um But anyway, yeah, because it's it's connected to that ring fit thing.
00:38:59
Steve
Your Nintendo Switch does need a workout.
00:39:04
Steve
Oh, I'd be like, shut up Mario Kart machine.
00:39:04
Sammi
Um, I, I literally like haven't used it for that in a long time. And I don't remember how to turn the reminder off. So it's just every Sunday at 11 35, it goes off anyway.
00:39:16
Sammi
Uh, it's like the weather, you know, like the weather sirens or whatever. Um, so yeah, I mean, I, it was just, it was interesting cause like, yeah, the women aren't on the show. She starts explaining this stuff. And, and you're like, Oh, this gets like, yeah, this got messy really fast and it's really sad. And then, but none of the women who are on the show, like besides Taylor were involved in this whole thing. And then, but that's how they use it to market the show, which I think was interesting. And they're like,
00:39:44
Sammi
But you're going to like the women.
00:39:44
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:39:45
Sammi
Don't worry, you're going to like them. So we're just going to go with it. But there was like this huge gap between like the pilot in the second episode.
00:39:48
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:52
Sammi
Like I don't know how long but at least like what's probably like seven months or something like that at least or eight.
00:39:54
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:39:59
Steve
It felt substantial.
00:40:01
Sammi
Yeah, or a year.
00:40:01
Steve
Yeah, because there's there's kind of like a whiplash moment when you get to episode two.
00:40:02
Sammi
I don't know.
00:40:04
Steve
you Oh, what what where are we now? Why have we fast forwarded?
00:40:06
Sammi
Yeah, you're, yeah, cause it's like, cause it's like the first episode is like, okay, they're soft swinging. There's like Taylor is like on the outs with everybody. And you, you go into it thinking Taylor's going to be the problem the whole season.
00:40:18
Sammi
Then you find out, no, actually she's so sweet. And, uh, she's just like, she's been through a lot in her young life. That's hard, you know?
00:40:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:26
Sammi
And then, yeah. So then, so then Whitney, here's the thing. So like Whitney is like constantly in an identity crisis. Like, I think Taylor knows who she is, but is trying to make other people happy.
00:40:40
Sammi
And I hope she starts living for herself. I really do. But I think she is good at identifying what she is about. She just ah rejects it. You know, it's like she knows what's good for her.
00:40:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:52
Sammi
She knows what's not good for her. But like she actively rejects it because she's trying to live up to a certain standard.
00:40:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:58
Sammi
So she's just got to.
00:40:58
Steve
Whereas I agree that you with you too with Whitney.
00:40:59
Sammi
Yeah.
00:41:01
Steve
It's like, ah yeah I don't think, I think she's afraid of finding out who her true self really is in the same way that like, I am afraid of Whitney personally.
00:41:08
Sammi
Yeah.
00:41:11
Steve
So I would, I would also be afraid of that.
00:41:11
Sammi
Yeah. I think, yeah, exactly.
00:41:14
Steve
ah
00:41:14
Sammi
I think she is just like very afraid to like, it's like, I think Taylor is close to living into her true self. Like she's a year away from doing it.
00:41:23
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:41:25
Sammi
And she's already doing it in small ways, like on TikTok and whatnot. And then I mean, real life, presumably.
00:41:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:31
Sammi
um But Whitney, it's like constant identity crisis, constant performance. um And you know, and it's like, and she's running away.
00:41:38
Steve
Yeah,
00:41:41
Sammi
And whoever asked that question, whatever producer asked that question, because it's like, they came back from Hawaii, like they ran away to Hawaii, and then came back five hairstyles later.
00:41:48
Steve
yeah which i'm I'm trying to figure out like like, I was like running the numbers in my head. I'm like, see, you like got rid of your house and then you moved to Hawaii for like three months.
00:41:55
Sammi
Yeah.
00:42:00
Steve
And then you were like, maybe not. And then new new house, new mortgage, what are we doing? what it it seems I don't understand it at all.
00:42:05
Sammi
Yeah.
00:42:09
Steve
um But yeah, she's constantly running away, but then reframing it. It's like, no, it was just a refresh. It was it was off running away.
00:42:15
Sammi
Yeah, it's Yeah. Yeah. Soft running away. Yeah. And it's just like, but then there's like the whole Tinder scandal thing, which like, you know, I'm not going to speculate on anyone's anything.
00:42:28
Sammi
OK. That's I'm not going to do that. But it's weird regardless. Like to me, like, I mean, I've been through it. Like that would be enough for me to be like, bye.
00:42:39
Sammi
See you. But you know, but that's the other thing in Mormonism. It's like hard to remove yourself from a marriage as well.
00:42:46
Steve
Yeah, yeah
00:42:47
Sammi
So but I mean, I do think they genuinely enjoy each other's company. I do.
00:42:53
Steve
yeah
00:42:53
Sammi
But I'm just like, but yeah, the whole thing, it's like there is always a performance on their tick tock.
00:42:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:42:59
Sammi
They don't just have like normal videos. It's all like very wacky, you know, dances and skits and and Whitney is also the kind of person who like really wants you to think she's funny all the time.
00:43:13
Steve
Oh yeah, all the time. and And she is not naturally at all.
00:43:15
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. And that's the problem.
00:43:18
Steve
and it's
00:43:18
Sammi
Yeah. And and it's like, yeah.
00:43:19
Steve
It's weird to watch because everything is a performance that is like divorced from reality. And just watching Whitney on my television is exhausting and fills me with dread.
00:43:24
Sammi
Right.
00:43:29
Steve
So I'm like, what is it like to be her? I can't imagine.
00:43:32
Sammi
Right. It's a lot of work.
00:43:32
Steve
Whitney could convincingly bully me like easily.
00:43:33
Sammi
Yeah.
00:43:35
Steve
Like she's, yeah I'm deathly afraid of her.
00:43:37
Sammi
Yeah. You're afraid of her. That's so funny. I'm not afraid of her. But because I know one thing I could just take her down just by being like ah RSV video and then she'd be down, you know, like that's the thing.
00:43:47
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:43:48
Sammi
That's her weakness. You just say that. And then she's like, she's like, I just was really i I just was I wanted to have a light moment and everybody's coming at me for that.
00:43:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:57
Sammi
And I don't know. I wasn't soft swinging. OK, like, so what the hell?
00:44:02
Steve
ah I think that that video is like the coolest thing she's ever done.
00:44:03
Sammi
So you know what I mean? Like,
00:44:06
Steve
That was like her realest moment.
00:44:06
Sammi
I, it was so iconic.
00:44:08
Steve
It's so funny.
00:44:08
Sammi
It was so iconic. Like that was funny. That
Roles and Dynamics of Husbands
00:44:12
Sammi
was funny.
00:44:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:12
Sammi
But that's the thing. It's like, I think Taylor is funny. I think Jen is funny. And I don't think Whitney is funny at all.
00:44:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:18
Sammi
And that's, but, and, and Jen doesn't care if you think she's funny.
00:44:18
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:44:22
Sammi
She's just having fun. Like she just, and like, uh, I'm scared of Jen because social anxiety is scared of her.
00:44:23
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:44:29
Sammi
Like she's like,
00:44:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:32
Sammi
like people think I'm an extrovert and I'm not. And Jen is like what people think I am, I think sometimes. And I'm like, I am not that. I am not going to dance in Forever 21 with my mom.
00:44:42
Steve
No, no.
00:44:43
Sammi
Like I just watched a TikTok of her doing that. She's like, we turned Forever 21 into a club and they're like, they're like dancing to all the like music, the throwback music that they're playing in Forever 21.
00:44:52
Steve
Oh my God.
00:44:55
Sammi
And whoever was doing the camera work was like, I can't do it anymore. I'm getting secondhand embarrassment. I have to stop. Like you hear it in the background and then they stop filming.
00:45:02
Steve
a Yeah.
00:45:04
Sammi
I'm like, that's me. Like I'm on I'm filming and I'm going, OK, I can't do this anymore. But Jen has like absolutely no. She does not care at all. She's going to do whatever, you know. And it's like, yeah. And Taylor ah is very vulnerable and she puts herself out there in a way that like and then it's either unintentional like or or it's either very sweet or very funny because she's just very authentic. ah Despite all the weird rage bait and lies, it's like she's also one of the most authentic people I've ever seen.
00:45:32
Steve
Oh, exactly. Because I think she's like, I mean, I don't know if it's safe to say she's the messiest, but she's the most like overtly messiest.
00:45:33
Sammi
like on social media.
00:45:39
Steve
Like she's the one that we we get to see all of her messes.
00:45:39
Sammi
Yeah.
00:45:41
Steve
And she's like, yep, that's me.
00:45:41
Sammi
Yeah.
00:45:42
Steve
Is it my life?
00:45:42
Sammi
That's me. I don't know.
00:45:44
Steve
Yeah, kind of. Yeah.
00:45:45
Sammi
And it's like the more she, the more she is just like totally real. Yeah. The more like naturally like funny and interesting and endearing she is. So it's just, it's just really interesting.
00:45:53
Steve
Totally.
00:45:54
Sammi
I wanted to look and see if I could find anything about the jobs that these husbands have. Cause you know, in one of the episodes, early episodes, they talk about how they're all the bread winners. Um, so this is, okay, this is according to Reddit. So again, like, who knows, this was five months ago, someone said, Dakota is a real estate agent and owns a tiling company. Um, Brett, Demi's husband is a managing partner at Armstrong Consulting Group, whatever that means. So I don't know, he might make more money.
00:46:21
Steve
Yeah.
00:46:21
Sammi
um Jordan, Jesse's husband is a manager at a solar energy company, such a Utah thing to do. um Jacob, Macy's husband did a finance and did finance and business strategy as of 2022, according to his LinkedIn.
00:46:35
Sammi
Jace, Michaela's husband is a... Oh yeah, we never see Michaela.
00:46:39
Steve
ever.
00:46:39
Sammi
It's like, Michaela pops up and we're like, oh yeah, Michaela exists.
00:46:42
Steve
Oh, my gosh.
00:46:42
Sammi
um
00:46:43
Steve
and And then the other thing with Michaela, too, is I think she she has like, she's got like medical stuff going on. But they don't.
00:46:49
Sammi
Yeah, she's got like skin stuff and whatever, right?
00:46:51
Steve
Yeah, but like, they don't address it until like several episodes in.
00:46:52
Sammi
Yeah.
00:46:54
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:46:57
Steve
So you're just watching this girl and you're like, is her to liver failing?
00:47:00
Sammi
No, she does talk about it early on.
00:47:00
Steve
Like, is she?
00:47:02
Sammi
She does talk about it.
00:47:02
Steve
Okay.
00:47:03
Sammi
they They do like a quick like here's all the wives and she talks about like in the first or second episode, she talks about like skin stuff because I forgot about it.
00:47:09
Steve
Okay.
00:47:10
Sammi
And that was something she brought up early on.
00:47:10
Steve
But she like but she doesn't like really go into it. And then you see her and you're like, is there more?
00:47:13
Sammi
Right.
00:47:15
Steve
Are you are you really okay? Because every time you see her, she's just like, ah yeah.
00:47:17
Sammi
I, well, I think it's like an auto-immune thing or something, or I don't know, Michaela, Mormon wives, illness.
00:47:25
Steve
Something, something. But then I feel bad for her because, I mean, there's some episodes where I'm like, man, she must be having a bad day.
00:47:27
Sammi
Yeah, I, yeah.
00:47:33
Steve
But then like, it's it's you know Whitney and someone else screaming at each other and she's just there like, Please, please stop.
00:47:42
Sammi
if Um, it sounds, well, it looks like what I'm seeing is, well, I mean, she, she talks a lot about chronic illness. Um, we love spoonies on this, uh, podcast. Um, but she, it was mostly like chronic eczema.
00:47:55
Sammi
She had surgery though. Let's see. So she, had Oh, Oh, this is interesting. So, okay. So this is from people. She said that, so she, um, had breast implants in March, 2023 and, and her eczema flare-up spread to her face afterwards.
00:48:04
Steve
Okay.
00:48:13
Sammi
So like it like it like ramped up and then she's there's a photo of like an allergy test that she did and stuff. um So it sounds like it just kind of like put her body into overdrive and started like having more like allergic reactions and things like that maybe to things that um didn't cause a problem before.
00:48:31
Steve
Okay. Yeah. Because Michaela seems very, very sweet, even though she's like barely on the show.
00:48:35
Sammi
Yeah.
00:48:36
Steve
And then I feel like people like fight over her too. They're like, no, I want Michaela on my side of this argument, but the entire time I'm just like, she looks exhausted.
00:48:41
Sammi
Yeah, and she's like, I just want to be OK.
00:48:44
Steve
She just wants to be left alone.
00:48:44
Sammi
Yeah, because, yeah, she was really going through it. Well, and on if you watch some of the tiktoks, like after the season aired, they like they like poke jokes about that, like, you know, the one who was never on camera.
00:48:56
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:56
Sammi
And it's like, oh, yeah, Michaela, I forgot about you. um But anyway, so yeah, so her um her husband is a project manager at Waffle Love, which is a restaurant and food truck in Utah.
00:49:08
Sammi
um And someone said couldn't find anything on Connor Whitney's husband, which I know is the entire point of this post.
00:49:09
Steve
what
00:49:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:49:15
Sammi
um Oh, apparently J.
00:49:17
Sammi
Scott let go from his job because of the show.
00:49:20
Steve
That makes sense.
00:49:21
Sammi
For Waffles, you're going to you're going to fire him from Waffles.
00:49:23
Steve
I mean, I asked for waffles. I mean, I could say i could see, I mean, if if you're a like a very conservative religious employer and then you see the show and you're like, but yeah, if you're waffle boy, waffle manager, yeah, yeah and a project manager, how many projects does the waffle truck have?
00:49:32
Sammi
Yeah, yeah, like I can't believe the waffle one got let go. That's messed up. That's so rude.
00:49:42
Sammi
I don't know.
00:49:42
Steve
maybe he was like Maybe he wasn't even let go because of the show. Maybe they just kind of realized, like we don't actually have a lot of projects here. We make waffles, we sell waffles, and it's it's very straightforward for us.
00:49:51
Sammi
Yeah, sounds like nobody thinks Connor has a job. um I don't know.
00:49:56
Steve
Okay.
00:49:56
Sammi
I don't know if Connor has a job, but maybe he doesn't have a job.
00:49:59
Steve
Connor's job is new hair. That's Connor's job.
00:50:01
Sammi
Because like I do feel like they've spent a lot of money. So like where's the job coming from? It's like you hear consulting. It's like you could make any amount of money. you know but like you know But also, like Jesse, because that was Jesse's husband, I think.
00:50:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:50:13
Sammi
like Jesse runs her own business. And she's doing mom talk. So I would guess she probably could still make more money, presumably. um But yeah, anyway, so interesting. And of course, Jen makes more money because her husband doesn't have a job.
00:50:27
Sammi
um He's in medical school.
00:50:28
Steve
No, yeah, I'm I'm student doctor slash controlling abuser.
00:50:30
Sammi
um
00:50:32
Sammi
Yeah. b Yeah.
00:50:34
Steve
Yeah Yeah full-time job of being a piece of shit that's
00:50:35
Sammi
Um, yeah, so he sucks. Anyway, so Yeah. So I think, you know, I think if Whitney and Connor, like, do touch grass, maybe that will be better for everybody and get jobs.
00:50:46
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:50:47
Sammi
ah But so, yeah.
00:50:48
Steve
Get a job.
00:50:50
Sammi
And then, OK, so what? ah Well, I mean, we know now in the future that Taylor and Dakota are not together anymore. And, ah you know, they're still working on like co-parenting and all that stuff.
00:51:01
Sammi
What's your opinion on Dakota? Like, how do you what's your read on him?
00:51:05
Steve
Garbage man, i he's not good.
00:51:06
Sammi
Yeah, he's also like a baby. Yeah.
00:51:09
Steve
Yeah, total baby. That's the other thing too, is like all these guys, because I feel like Dakota's a little bit older than some of the other husbands. Like he's he's like in his 30s, where so like some of these people like Jen's husband is, I mean, he's a controlling, insecure douche, but he's also like 20, so join the club.
00:51:16
Sammi
I think so. Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:51:26
Sammi
Yeah, they were both. I mean, they're both so young, Jen, so young.
00:51:29
Steve
Mm-hmm, no.
00:51:30
Sammi
I can't believe when every time they flash twenty four and she talks about all the things that she does, I'm like, you're doing all that at twenty four. Oh, my God. Like I was not that mature at twenty four.
00:51:38
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:40
Sammi
Yeah.
00:51:41
Steve
ah Yeah, it's it's just like the gap that exists between the men and the women in the show. And I'm not even saying that like all these women are the most emotionally mature human beings alive, but like the men are like, it's like a five year old.
00:51:51
Sammi
No.
00:51:55
Sammi
But they're also like shouldering so much more than the men too.
00:51:55
Steve
It is wild to watch.
00:51:58
Sammi
That's the thing. It's like they're managing the career. They're managing the show. They're doing all of that. And they're Mormon wives. So, you know, they've got kids and they're the ones who are expected to like shoulder most of the responsibility there.
00:52:12
Sammi
And they don't have any agency in the church whatsoever.
00:52:15
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:52:15
Sammi
So it's like,
00:52:16
Steve
Yeah Oh, yeah
00:52:17
Sammi
you know, like I give them a lot more grace than the men because they should really have their shit together because the women are doing everything like it's trash.
00:52:25
Steve
Yeah, and and a guy like Dakota is just like, what are you doing? Like he's the king of self-sabotage constantly, constantly shooting himself in the foot when he doesn't have to.
00:52:29
Sammi
Yeah.
00:52:34
Steve
He's just creating problems for himself. um He falls in line with other men on the show who are doing bad things, i.e.
00:52:42
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:52:43
Steve
Jen's husband. He's like, yes, I will follow you along or follow along with you and be a weirdo stalker for no reason. It's, it's all bad. It is just, and sometimes it's like, Oh, like cringy, embarrassing bad, but most of the time it's like, get a restraining order bad.
00:52:57
Steve
And died that's not good.
00:52:58
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah, it was really tough. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna speak too extensively on like the the conflict in the first episode, because who knows what happened. But to me, it seems like
00:53:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:10
Sammi
I wouldn't be surprised if he needled Taylor while she was in a vulnerable state, drunk, um I don't know, in a manipulative way.
00:53:20
Steve
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:53:26
Sammi
That to me. And then she gets in trouble for it, which seemed odd.
00:53:31
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:53:31
Sammi
It just seemed odd. I don't think, yeah.
00:53:32
Steve
No, the whole thing's weird.
00:53:34
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know. That's all I'll say about that is I just think it's a little funny. um And, you know, it's one of those things that if you just watch that episode, you could be like, well, I don't know, hard to say. But then as you watch the rest of the season, you're like.
00:53:45
Sammi
And that's like and that's the arc that we talk about with Taylor, where it's like, I don't know, maybe she's like to blame and then you keep watching it and you're like, I don't know, she's like heavily pregnant and she's like, I just want to feel calm and he's like starting shit.
00:53:50
Steve
yeah
00:53:53
Steve
um
00:53:59
Steve
Yeah, constantly.
00:53:59
Sammi
And you're like, that's unnecessary. Like, you don't need to be doing that. Like, what the hell is wrong with you?
00:54:03
Steve
hu
00:54:04
Sammi
So anyway. um Yeah. So let's see. Yeah. So basically, second episode, we're we're like, however much longer ah later, you know, yeah, we get this whiplash and we're like, we're into the second episode.
00:54:17
Sammi
But I do feel like it took me three or four episodes to really get into the show because it was kind of like slow and confusing. And I'm like, do I have to care about these women? And then all of a sudden I'm like, I'm deeply invested.
00:54:28
Sammi
um I guess this is how it is with a lot of reality shows, but this one felt more so for some reason.
00:54:31
Steve
No.
00:54:33
Sammi
um but yeah so So Taylor like is on probation and she's pregnant with Dakota's baby and you're like, oh my God.
00:54:39
Steve
Mm.
00:54:41
Sammi
and then um
00:54:41
Steve
Will Mari Popich start to things?
00:54:42
Sammi
and then Yeah, and then Whitney is like, I'm not going to go to Taylor's baby shower because I am perfect.
00:54:47
Steve
It's... Mm-hmm.
00:54:49
Sammi
um and You're like, OK, a little annoying and weird.
00:54:51
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:53
Sammi
um And then we have ah this saints and sinners division happening in like the third episode. I'm like basing this off of the Wikipedia synopsis, which is really I'm like, oh, yeah, this is when this happens.
00:55:07
Sammi
So. So this is the weird thing. You know, it's like this is when you start to see how like Jen is being coerced by her husband, you know, because it's like even her mom doesn't fit within like her in-laws family.
00:55:23
Sammi
and she like but it's like she desperately wants their approval and she wants this like family unit to work so she's like I'm just trying not to make waves like she's constantly walking on eggshells despite being like this yeah huge vibrant loud personality and it's like
00:55:34
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:55:43
Sammi
she has to do it within these bounds and she has to shrink herself and she can't have these friends and she can't do these things, you know whatever. So she's like, okay, so I'm doing this graduation party and and also like this baby blessing.
00:55:58
Sammi
And so um she's like, well, the sinners can't come to the baby blessing, you know what but she doesn't call them that. She's just like, listen, it's just like, it was,
00:56:06
Steve
Yeah. yeah other girl
00:56:09
Sammi
It was like his request and I'm just trying to like, you know, it's family. I'm just trying to keep it cool. So like so Taylor, Demi, Jesse and Layla, the most fun ones um are not allowed to go.
00:56:21
Sammi
And so they go like bowling instead.
00:56:24
Steve
Yeah, which looks way more fun.
00:56:26
Sammi
And they're like, oh, my God, we're the sinners. That's so bad. And I'm like, you're having way more fun.
00:56:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:56:32
Sammi
You're doing the fun thing, the good thing. Yeah.
00:56:34
Steve
Oh my gosh, shoot. And then I i always, this is, this is the other thing that happens in the show is for the longest time, like Macy and Jesse were just like, and Demi to a certain degree, even though she doesn't have the exact same hair, I was just, these are all one person in my head for like four episodes.
00:56:49
Sammi
No, Demi and Jesse, to me, look the same. Macy looks different, because Macy's blonder.
00:56:51
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:54
Sammi
But Demi and Jesse have like almost the same face.
00:56:54
Steve
Macy is blonder, but like, I would always be great. Which ones had that? Yeah.
00:56:57
Sammi
like and then And then you hear them talk, and their voice is different.
00:56:58
Steve
Yeah. Yes.
00:57:01
Sammi
And then you're like, oh, that's Jesse.
00:57:01
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:57:02
Sammi
That's Demi. Those were the two that I kept getting messed up.
00:57:04
Steve
Yes, yes.
00:57:05
Sammi
Yeah.
00:57:05
Steve
And it's like, and then and then I was just like, okay, wait, no. ah Jesse is the one who, yeah, she's like, oh, sometimes I drink peach schnapps. And one one time I saw a sex thing happen and I pointed at it, like, that's like, she's the real bad girl.
00:57:13
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. Jesse's like, I'm a little bad.
00:57:18
Sammi
yeah and and And yeah, but to me, it's like I'm the one who talked about the sex thing. And now I get mad if you put through the pebbles in a box, that's not going to go well.
00:57:24
Steve
Yeah. Not gonna go well, no. i Yeah, that that whole thing, that's,
00:57:32
Sammi
I had to like rewatch that. Like when it came out, I rewatched it and I went on TikTok because I was like, I am missing something. I still don't get it. The reenactment. Well, and Whitney Whitney's like, I'm perfect.
00:57:44
Sammi
And she's like, I'm going to stand over you and I'm not wearing underwear. So don't look like what's going on.
00:57:48
Steve
who I still I do not like I did the same thing as yours like am I like old or not cool or am I dumb like what is going on here and then I
00:57:58
Sammi
Yeah, I still don't fully get it.
00:58:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:00
Sammi
I'm going to be really honest.
00:58:00
Steve
And then the thing is like, I spent like an hour on TikTok, like trying to figure it out. And then I was like reading like Reddit and all these different articles.
00:58:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:58:07
Steve
And I'm like, the best I could come out of it after, it given like, I have, I have a fucking master's degree. And after over an hour of research, I'm like, is it, I guess it's a pee thing maybe?
00:58:15
Sammi
Oh, you do, I don't.
00:58:20
Steve
Like the best I could do is like, maybe pee.
00:58:23
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:23
Steve
That's it.
00:58:25
Sammi
Like I still am very highly confused by it. um Yeah, that's a good guess.
00:58:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:32
Sammi
I thought it was like more mundane than that even, but but I don't know.
00:58:36
Steve
Mm-hmm. That's what I figured is like in my head, I'm like, it has to be something more vanilla, but then you're like thinking about the positioning of the reenactment and then like people are speculating based on this that, and yeah, the closest I can figure out is maybe pee.
00:58:39
Sammi
Yeah.
00:58:50
Sammi
Wow.
00:58:51
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:51
Sammi
I didn't even go that far, so that's interesting.
00:58:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:54
Sammi
um but yeah so like so It's so weird.
00:58:56
Steve
You dig deep enough on the internet, it always turns into a pee thing.
00:58:56
Sammi
but
00:58:59
Sammi
I, yeah, rule, that's rule 35 or 34 dash two or whatever.
00:58:59
Steve
that's
00:59:01
Steve
ah Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:59:07
Sammi
Um, so, uh, yeah, so, okay. Yeah. So that's, that also happens in episode three. So like, you know, there's like this saints and sinners thing, but then Whitney's like,
00:59:18
Sammi
Well, I'm going to give to me this gift at like it was like a gallon. They go to so many parties. I like literally can't even keep up. But but yeah, they wasn't it like a Galentine's party or something like that that to me was hosting.
00:59:30
Steve
So many parties, so many parties.
00:59:31
Sammi
Yeah, I can't like it's like when you go in the housewives, it's like the person who gets there's always like the there's like an intro party. There's a trip. And then there's like the finale party.
00:59:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:59:43
Sammi
And there's always like, you know, turf wars about like who's going to get the party.
00:59:48
Sammi
You know, and then if you're like Kyle Richards, you're like, well, we always do a white party. So that obviously has to be the finale. You know what I mean?
00:59:54
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:54
Sammi
Like it's like shit like that. um And like we've been doing this since before the show. So like obviously we should get the party.
01:00:01
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:01
Sammi
But in this show, they're like, do you want to throw a party? You want to throw in tomorrow and then you want to throw on the next day and you want to throw in the next day just in case we don't have enough reasons to film you.
01:00:07
Steve
Oh, it is wild, right?
Midwestern State Pride and Identity
01:00:11
Steve
like and and then And again, I'm questioning but because I'm like, is this like culturally?
01:00:11
Sammi
It's like way more parties than most reality shows.
01:00:17
Steve
Is this like a Mormon thing or so? Because they're like, yeah, it's a random Wednesday in June and we're doing like a fun like flower brunch extravaganza private party at a giant what would normally be a wedding venue.
01:00:19
Sammi
No, I don't think so.
01:00:30
Steve
It's going to be about 150 people. And I'm like, what what?
01:00:33
Sammi
This is OK, this is this is my theory.
01:00:34
Steve
What do you do? What do you just sit there?
01:00:37
Sammi
This is my theory. I think, you know, because it's like on The Housewives, there's a lot of filming in each person's house and there's a lot of filming like on the road that requires a lot of um production staff.
01:00:43
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:00:51
Sammi
That requires a lot of extra staff and extra timing and a bigger budget.
01:00:54
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:00:55
Sammi
And what I'm thinking is it's the first season.
01:00:55
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:57
Sammi
They don't know if it's going to go well. So they're hosting as many parties as they can to keep people as together as they can.
01:01:03
Steve
Yes, that makes sense.
01:01:04
Sammi
so that they have less filming. That's my that's my theory, but I don't know. um So I would guess in the second season, since it went well, we'll probably see fewer parties and more stuff like just in their houses, because we don't get a lot of just them in their homes.
01:01:18
Sammi
Like you get some of that, but it's like most of it is focused on Taylor's house and Whitney's house and a little bit Jen's house. But you don't really see inside everybody else's houses.
01:01:24
Steve
Mm hmm Yeah Yeah,
01:01:27
Sammi
So I'm like, I think they They were like, how many times can we get them together to save money and, you know, and do this? And I don't even know if they had a lot of like car.
01:01:38
Sammi
They didn't have a ton of car filming. It was mostly like them heading out to that one trip. I don't think they did. And maybe Vegas, but I don't even remember a lot of on the way to Vegas filming. But so it was like the more we keep them in one spot and have them at these parties, the more we can just have one crew work on it in one place.
01:01:55
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:56
Sammi
So that's my theory.
01:01:56
Steve
Also, Salt Lake City, it it really feels like, I don't know. like Even the things that are familiar to me when I see them in Salt Lake City, I'm like, this is wrong. like When they go bowling, I'm like, why is that ah like the nicest bowling alley?
01:02:09
Steve
you know Meanwhile, it's like, oh, i'm I go to Bayview Bowl for $2 shots at Kessler and there's a cigarette machine in there.
01:02:09
Sammi
Yeah.
01:02:16
Sammi
But that's the thing because it's like, because it's like your social experiences, like, especially in Wisconsin revolve so much around alcohol.
01:02:16
Steve
like Come on.
01:02:25
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:25
Sammi
And it's like, so there's like, everybody's hanging out at swig.
01:02:27
Steve
Your social, it's specifically used.
01:02:29
Sammi
No, I'm saying Wisconsinites.
01:02:31
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:32
Sammi
Oh, I need to tell you a quick Wisconsin story. Okay. So we were, um, because people still, uh, you know, I think don't understand that like our hatred for Chicago is real and it wasn't rage bait.
01:02:41
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:42
Sammi
We were not faking it.
01:02:42
Steve
No, it's not rage bait. Yeah.
01:02:44
Sammi
Yeah, like they I still I still get hung up on that because people really thought we were like doing that to make people mad and we weren't um But I was so I'm in class right and I go to school in Minnesota because I live you know right on the border So I go to school in Minnesota We had our first week of classes last week and we had to do like in one of the classes.
01:02:50
Steve
No.
01:03:03
Sammi
It's like seminar. So um Because I don't want just one master's degree. I want to some greedy and So, we're all introducing ourselves, going around in a circle, whatever.
01:03:13
Sammi
And um like she had us say stuff like you know like, where are you from? like What's your background? you know Things like that. And I'm like, oh, well, i'm you know I'm from Wisconsin.
01:03:24
Sammi
And I still live in Wisconsin now. I just moved to a different part of Wisconsin. And she goes, well, that's essentially Minnesota. And I can't tell you how quickly I responded to that.
01:03:34
Steve
Oh my god, no, yeah.
01:03:35
Sammi
She goes, that's essentially what I said. No, no, I know. No, it's Wisconsin. And I and I reacted so quickly that I'm like, it sounded aggressive.
01:03:41
Steve
Very distinct.
01:03:44
Sammi
And I'm like, and nobody else in the room is from Wisconsin.
01:03:46
Steve
Mhm.
01:03:48
Sammi
So no, I can't look to someone else and be like, you get it. you know So I was like, you don't understand, like we kind of like, we cling on to, I did this hand motion on my um i ah desk.
01:03:56
Steve
Mhm.
01:03:57
Sammi
I was like, we cling on to it like for dear life. um So until I moved to Minnesota, which will probably happen someday, but I haven't yet, you know I'm like, we cling to our Wisconsin identity.
01:04:10
Sammi
It's a weird state pride thing.
01:04:11
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:11
Sammi
I can't explain it unless youre you get it.
01:04:14
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:04:15
Sammi
like And I was like, I must look Really weird cuz like I'm in a room full of people who are either born and raised in Minnesota or they came from like like one came from like Washington a couple came from California a couple came from other countries and they're all like Minnesota is so beautiful and we love it and like they're all like fully in and they're like Yeah, Minnesota owned the Minnesota summers.
01:04:26
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:04:37
Sammi
Oh, I love it so much. um It's just been so beautiful and blah blah blah and I'm like I'm still in Wisconsin and
01:04:46
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:46
Sammi
So don't try to lump me in with all you soda people.
01:04:48
Steve
No. And let me tell you something too, because I i feel like anyone who accused us of rage baiting, one has never heard me like just pop off in public with one of my anti Chicago monologues, which I've been known to do.
01:05:01
Steve
um Two is you have to realize if you live in the Midwest, there's so there's all kinds of different Midwesterners. And everyone is different.
01:05:10
Sammi
Yeah.
01:05:11
Steve
Like an Indiana person is not a Michigan person, is not a Wisconsin person, whatever.
01:05:13
Sammi
No.
01:05:15
Steve
But Chicago is almost its own thing. And the one thing that unifies the Midwest is most of us are like, yeah, Chicago's OK. But we kind of we also kind of hate Chicago people and Chicago in general.
01:05:26
Sammi
Yeah.
01:05:27
Steve
like it's And it's not like ah a seething hatred.
01:05:28
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:05:30
Steve
like It's not my hatred for their food. But it's it's just an underlying like eye roll thing.
01:05:32
Sammi
No.
01:05:35
Steve
And the worst, the absolute worst is, like yeah oh, it's the first day of class that you're teaching or like whatever.
01:05:35
Sammi
Yes.
01:05:41
Steve
And then you go, oh, yeah, I'm from Chicago. And then you go, oh, what part of Chicago?
01:05:46
Sammi
Where?
01:05:46
Steve
And then they go, Naperville?
01:05:47
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:05:48
Steve
I'm like, no, you're from Naperville.
01:05:48
Sammi
And you're like, that's not Chicago.
01:05:51
Steve
It's not Chicago.
01:05:51
Sammi
That's not Chicago. What are you doing?
01:05:52
Steve
Stop it.
01:05:53
Sammi
Yeah.
01:05:53
Steve
You don't get to claim that.
01:05:54
Sammi
Right.
01:05:55
Steve
you You're from Joliet? That's a whole ass city with like a AAA baseball team. You don't get to say you're from Chicago. That's like a place.
01:06:02
Sammi
Yeah, it's so weird.
01:06:04
Steve
It's so weird.
01:06:04
Sammi
Yeah, it's like I yeah, it's like I lived in Milwaukee for like 15 years.
01:06:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:06:10
Sammi
Like so I say even though i my family is from 20 minutes from walking, I can still say I'm from Milwaukee. I lived there long enough to say I'm from there. You know what I mean? I'm just like but I also say like I'll be like oh and I grew up 20 minutes from the city and but I live there, you know, whatever like but I'm not like I'm yeah, I don't know.
01:06:27
Sammi
It's just like Yeah, that's like B and I lived in, you know, Racine too.
01:06:28
Steve
Yeah That's literally what they are doing
01:06:31
Sammi
And to be like, oh, like if I lived in Racine and I'm like, I'm from Milwaukee. That's basically what they're saying when they're saying they're from Chicago because it's that far away.
01:06:39
Steve
It is wild.
01:06:39
Sammi
It's like a half an hour away. And you're like, what are you talking about?
01:06:41
Steve
And they don't even say like, I mean, they have a special name for their metropolitan area. You could say, I'm from the Chicagoland area or just outside of Chicago.
01:06:47
Sammi
Yes.
01:06:50
Steve
I'm from Naperville. I'm from Elm Grove. Whatever. I'm from Gurney.
01:06:53
Sammi
Yeah.
01:06:54
Steve
I go to the Rainforest Cafe every Tuesday for half off chicken fingers. Great. You could say all these things, but you don't. You just go, I'm from Chicago.
01:07:00
Sammi
Yeah.
01:07:01
Steve
I'm from Chicago.
01:07:02
Sammi
Like, I mean, I have it on I have it on good authority and personal experience that people who like live in the Twin Cities area don't say they live in the Twin Cities if they don't.
01:07:02
Steve
You're not. You're not from Chicago.
01:07:11
Steve
Yeah, they don't, they don't.
01:07:11
Sammi
Just saying they don't. They don't. They will tell you the exact place where they live. And then they'll be like, it's like 20 minutes from St.
01:07:15
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:18
Sammi
Paul or like 15 minutes from Minneapolis or whatever.
01:07:19
Steve
ah People in Minneapolis and St.
01:07:20
Sammi
And then you're like.
01:07:21
Steve
Paul are, ah they're hilarious because they all go super niche. Like if you ask someone from Minneapolis where they're from, you oh, where are you from?
01:07:25
Sammi
Yeah.
01:07:28
Steve
They just go Northeast, like that's the direction.
01:07:29
Sammi
Yeah, they'll be like Lin Lake and you're like, Oh, you know, you're like, Oh, okay. Like, yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. North, Northeast St. Louis park. Like, yeah, they'll tell you exactly where they're from.
01:07:38
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, they're they're giving you their latitude and longitude.
01:07:40
Sammi
And. Yes.
01:07:42
Steve
That's that's what Minneapolis paintball people do.
01:07:43
Sammi
Yes. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And they'll be like, oh, uptown doesn't what it used to be, um you know, or whatever.
01:07:47
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:48
Sammi
So, yeah, I mean, it's like that doesn't happen. So it's like I'm in a room full of people who are telling me exactly where in Minnesota they live, you know, and I'm like, I'm still in Wisconsin.
01:07:59
Sammi
Like you can't. Yeah. and But but it's like but it's weird because ah Western Wisconsin is like that. People will be like, oh, well, i'm I basically live in Minnesota. It's different.
01:08:10
Sammi
Western Wisconsin people can be different depending on how far west they are, because they some of them do fully like go or some of them are from Minnesota and then they move to Wisconsin.
01:08:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:20
Sammi
So it's different. But when you're born and raised in Wisconsin or you've spent a long time in Wisconsin, you're there's no way in hell you're going to do that.
01:08:28
Steve
now
01:08:28
Sammi
like and I it's hard to explain that so we have our own idiosyncrasies you know not just like um you know Utah has its own idiosyncrasies but yeah it's like it's the midwest and I can't it's like you have to know people who aren't from Wisconsin but have encountered enough Wisconsinites to see like no it's a weird state pride thing I have been told that it's similar to people who are from Texas where it's just like I don't know you just love your state no matter what and like
01:08:45
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:08:53
Steve
Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:08:57
Sammi
they're bad bad things can happen bad people can do bad things and you're still like doggedly loyal to your state and that is yes
01:09:03
Steve
Yep. Passionate Wisconsinites are passionate and, and they have all these weird little quirks. Like I think it's, it's the quirkiest Midwestern state by like a country mile, like just the quirkiest.
01:09:14
Steve
And my favorite thing is, is like, they don't see them as quirks. They're like, no, we're normal. You got you guys are all weird.
01:09:20
Sammi
Yeah, that's what it is. And it's like, and people are like, you know, oh, they'll be like, oh, it's like Minnesota.
01:09:24
Steve
Yeah.
01:09:26
Sammi
And I'm like, no, it's not like Minnesota at all.
01:09:28
Steve
No, no, totally.
01:09:29
Sammi
Like the NICE is different. You know, Minnesota NICE has its own name because it is a different thing.
01:09:35
Steve
Yeah.
01:09:35
Sammi
We don't do like, I don't remember if I talked about this on the podcast or not, but I i found this like perfect example of Minnesota NICE. Maybe I did. I'm going to say it again. I was like listening to the radio because I get all Minnesota radio.
01:09:48
Sammi
and I'm like driving and this guy was like so it's gonna be zero at the airport, which is just just great. And he's like laughing about it. And I'm like, that's Minnesota.
01:09:59
Sammi
Nice. Like, yeah.
01:09:59
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:10:01
Sammi
And I'm like, nobody in Wisconsin. with yeah We don't do that.
01:10:05
Steve
now No, no.
01:10:06
Sammi
Like, it's just, that's the difference. Like right there. Or like when I went to a speakeasy in Minneapolis and like we have one that's like famous in Milwaukee. It's like a, it's like a spy bar or whatever.
01:10:19
Steve
It's real corny, but it's fun.
01:10:19
Sammi
And you have to like, Yeah, it's corny. What is funny? You gotta go like it's weird that it's like the one place that everybody says you have to go in Milwaukee.
01:10:23
Steve
Yeah.
01:10:27
Sammi
You don't have to go, but it's fun.
01:10:28
Steve
Yeah. I guess you have to go. If you're a bachelorette party, like that's, yeah.
01:10:31
Sammi
Yeah, like it's fun. Like you should go at least once, but like don't make that your one place to go. But anyway, but it's like, but it's very like, you know, they, they get gruff and, you know, you got to know the password and all that stuff and whatever.
01:10:42
Steve
Oh, that stuff, yeah.
01:10:43
Sammi
And, but it's funny because I went to the speakeasy in Minneapolis and they like opened up the little eye slit and they're like, hi, how's it going? How many people in your party? And I'm like,
01:10:52
Steve
a
01:10:53
Sammi
this is so Minnesota like you can't explain this difference unless you live it but it's like I'm like you what not even for a second are you gonna like you know keep up the facade and I've been there a couple times they've never been like
01:10:59
Steve
No.
01:11:05
Steve
no
01:11:08
Sammi
what's the password? Or like, who are you? Or like, it's always like, hi, how's it going?
01:11:10
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:12
Sammi
How many people? Okay, just give me one second.
01:11:13
Steve
Oh, hey.
01:11:14
Sammi
And then they close, they close it again, they open it back up. Okay, come on in. And you're like, that's so Minnesota.
01:11:20
Steve
God.
01:11:21
Sammi
So everybody's got their quirks. But I mean, I'm lobbying to get a swig in the Upper Midwest. That would be amazing. I think it'll happen. I think we will get a swig. I think the cultural relevance of the show, i I want to experience a ridiculously gigantic soda with coconut cream just once.
01:11:39
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:40
Sammi
Just once. But it's basically like a lot of times they're like Italian sodas kind of or whatever.
01:11:41
Steve
It's just so funny. Cause it's like, yeah, a little bit, but it's just like Italian sodas, but like extra large speedway gas station size.
01:11:45
Sammi
But yeah. Yeah.
01:11:51
Sammi
Yeah.
01:11:51
Steve
Like, yeah.
01:11:52
Sammi
And like instead of just like one flavor and a couple pumps and it's like lightly flavored, it's 10 pumps and then also maybe another soda layered in it, not just like sparkling water or whatever.
01:12:00
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:12:03
Sammi
um So it's just like it's so fascinating to me. But even that, like you said, is a little bit off. It's like it's the it's the upgraded um because that's where they're spending their social time.
01:12:15
Steve
Mm-hmm, yeah.
01:12:15
Sammi
you know, it's like the closest equivalent I could find around here was like Sonic, I'm like, you're not gonna like go hang out with your girlfriends at a Sonic.
01:12:23
Steve
No, we don't hang with the girlies at Sonic.
01:12:24
Sammi
You know, it's like, you're right. It's like, it's like, you know, I'm sure they've got like cold pressed juice places and stuff too. But it's like, it's there. They don't seem to be as popular as these, you know, 44 ounce soda places.
01:12:36
Steve
No. Well, yeah, and it's it is it is super, super wild.
01:12:39
Sammi
It's just so wild. Yeah.
01:12:42
Steve
And they they do have they have like the drive through ones, but then they also have ones where like people just go in there and sit and it's just like this is like your third space in in
01:12:47
Sammi
Yeah. Right.
Unique Cultural Adaptations: Utah's Soda Culture
01:12:50
Sammi
That's what I'm saying.
01:12:50
Steve
Utah.
01:12:50
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:50
Sammi
It's like, yeah, it's like they don't have coffee shops. They have swig.
01:12:53
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:12:54
Sammi
So it's like, it's got to be nice. um And yeah, they're not going to go to like bars and clubs. So the bowling alleys have to be nice. That's my point to get after my long Wisconsin rant.
01:13:02
Steve
Yeah, yeah, it's just it is. Yeah. it's It's just, it's taking things that are familiar, but it's being redress for a different cultural purpose, basically. And it's it's weird because everywhere else you're like, no, this is a thing.
01:13:12
Sammi
Yeah.
01:13:16
Steve
you know I'm like, it's a duck. It's quacking like a duck. Why is it not a duck? They're like, it's a goose, motherfucker. like it's sitting by But that's not a goose. Yeah, it's it's just, it's so bizarre um because, yeah, like you said, it's just, it's taking things that you are familiar with and just twisting them basically.
01:13:25
Sammi
Yeah.
01:13:31
Sammi
It's like when you go to Canada, it's the same thing.
01:13:33
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:13:33
Sammi
where like you know I was like, why does the walk sign look different? like The walk sign looks a little jauntier, looks a little little happier.
01:13:37
Steve
You're right. Just, just off enough. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:40
Sammi
And then that was the first place that I ever went to where they're like, we bring the card reader out to you.
01:13:47
Steve
Yeah.
01:13:48
Sammi
we You don't just give me your card. We bring it out to you. And they started doing tap before we ever did tap. And I'm like, And it was funny because I went to this restaurant, I went to like a Thai restaurant or something like that.
01:14:00
Sammi
And the guy was like, oh, are you from the States? Because I was confused about the process. And I was like, yeah.
01:14:05
Steve
yeah
01:14:05
Sammi
And he goes, the only thing that tipped me off is is like, you had no idea how the purchasing he's like, I've seen other people from the States get confused by this.
01:14:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:14:14
Sammi
And I'm like, yeah, it's like bizarro America.
01:14:16
Steve
Oh, same thing.
01:14:16
Sammi
It's just like a little different.
01:14:16
Steve
Yeah. Like, like in Europe, like the tap stuff has been around for like 15 years or like they had, they had the, um, like grocery store checkout, like self checkout, like 20 years ago.
01:14:20
Sammi
Yeah.
01:14:26
Steve
You could do that at a, at a Tesco in London if you wanted to, like, it's yeah, the United States is the iPhone of countries where we we we think we're hot shit, but really we're just like 10 to 15 years behind everyone.
01:14:26
Sammi
Yeah.
01:14:29
Sammi
ah Yeah. And we're like, you had that? Oh, damn. You know, that's there we go. I was waiting for that. Thank you. Yeah.
01:14:39
Sammi
And then we're like, oh, everywhere else, it's Samsung. Oh, damn.
01:14:42
Steve
Yeah.
01:14:42
Sammi
Like, this is cool. ah Anyway, so
01:14:44
Steve
ah What are we gonna, what are we gonna catch up to healthcare? I was just wondering.
01:14:47
Sammi
Yeah, that would be great, right? That would be really not, not anytime soon.
01:14:48
Steve
Yeah. Not anytime soon, no.
01:14:53
Sammi
No, but anyway, so okay, so we have this another party. There's so many. So then there's the Macy's birthday, they rent a penthouse. And they do this like truth box thing and they're like asking each other questions and whatever.
01:15:09
Sammi
um And then and I don't even remember a lot of these because the biggest truth bomb happened like outside of this or it was like, oh, Dakota, like was, you know, hanging out, hooking up with a girl while he was dating Taylor.
01:15:15
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:15:20
Steve
Mm
01:15:23
Sammi
And I don't know how to tell, you know, whatever.
01:15:24
Steve
hmm.
01:15:25
Sammi
I still don't know how I feel about Macy either. I feel like I liked her in the beginning and now like I'm 50 50 with her kind of. Um, but yeah, then there's like, yeah, the Whitney missing the baby shower.
01:15:37
Sammi
And then, uh, Demi is like, Whitney's toothpaste, and she is, and that's true. And Whitney's really trying to like, make herself look good. So as soon as she realizes her brain's about to be tarnished, she's like, I'm leaving the group chat.
01:15:50
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:50
Sammi
Because I want people to ask me where I went.
01:15:53
Sammi
And they're like, we're not going to indulge this, ah not to say that she's got certain tendencies, but really the the moms were like, we're going to gray rock her.
01:15:53
Steve
ah I just like how you know with a lot of people, especially with social media, it's like, yeah, like you don't like trust your instincts, be yourself, do whats do what feels right.
01:16:01
Sammi
And I was like, that's a good idea. They're like, we're going to ignore her. And eventually we're going to unfollow her if she doesn't act right.
01:16:15
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:16:16
Steve
With Whitney, I'm like, actually don't trust any instinct that you have because every time you do something, Whitney, it actually has the exact opposite effect of what you want to act occur.
01:16:26
Steve
So it's thats the worst instincts of any content creator ever.
01:16:27
Sammi
Yeah, she just yeah, yeah, don't maybe do unfunny things and they will become funny. Actually, that's kind of what she did.
01:16:34
Steve
Yeah.
01:16:35
Sammi
You know, it's like the RSV thing is hilarious.
01:16:35
Steve
That's what she did. Yeah. Like the RSV thing is like, it is high
Social Media Struggles & Brand Image
01:16:41
Steve
art. It is like, it is like Warhol level.
01:16:42
Sammi
Yeah, nothing.
01:16:45
Steve
Hang in in the Louvre, man. Like it is so good. And for her, it's just like, it's just a fun little dance and my sad dying baby. Like for her, it was like nothing. It was throw away.
01:16:55
Steve
It's like, no, you you have, this is your Sistine Chapel and you don't know it.
01:16:57
Sammi
Yeah. And she's like that ruined my life. And it's like people are dressing up like with that same sweatshirt, ah you know, for Halloween to be you because it's camp.
01:17:04
Steve
Yes.
01:17:07
Steve
I know.
01:17:07
Sammi
It's camp.
01:17:08
Steve
there's There's like drag brunches based on you dancing around your sick baby.
01:17:10
Sammi
Yes.
01:17:11
Steve
Like.
01:17:12
Sammi
And that's the thing. like If she fully leaned into the camp, she and she's built for it, she would be so good.
01:17:15
Steve
Oh yeah.
01:17:19
Sammi
But she can't let go, and she's got to let go, and she'd have so much more fun.
01:17:21
Steve
No.
01:17:23
Sammi
um But anyway, so like I want to like Whitney, and I can't. And that's annoying to me because, yeah.
01:17:29
Steve
Yeah. I love a villain. Everybody knows I love a villain.
01:17:31
Sammi
Yeah.
01:17:32
Steve
I worship at the throne of Lisa Barlow. Okay. I am a serious villain loving man. Now I just, I, there's, there's nothing to love about Whitney. She just like makes me cringe and I'm afraid of her.
01:17:41
Sammi
Yeah, because she doesn't, yeah, she doesn't embrace it. And that's the thing that's hard. um So then they go, okay, and then Layla, by the way, I really like Layla, I feel like we didn't see a lot of her.
01:17:52
Sammi
But man, her ex husband looked like such a weenie. I'm so glad she got divorced.
01:17:56
Steve
Oh yeah.
01:17:58
Sammi
Good for you, Layla.
01:17:59
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:00
Sammi
And she's like, I'm coming into my own.
01:18:00
Steve
As soon as they showed him, about I was like, Oh.
01:18:02
Sammi
Yeah, it's like oh, yeah, you dodged a bullet get out of there um So I think we'll see more of her in the second season We just didn't get to see a lot of her, you know, but I think the divorce party was really fun um Yeah, I mean that's like Mormonism, you know, that's the thing yeah
01:18:11
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:14
Steve
i'm I'm really interested in her story too, because she got, I mean, not only did she get divorced, but she got married super young too. I mean, i yeah, I say par for the course, but even but even among that group of people, it felt a little bit young, so I was like, oh.
01:18:29
Sammi
Yeah, well, I mean, even like Demi was married before and got divorced and then got married, you know, to someone.
01:18:33
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:18:35
Sammi
So even though she got married all year.
01:18:37
Steve
You're an old man.
01:18:39
Sammi
Yeah, well.
01:18:39
Steve
ah Who's like literally probably like my age or something.
01:18:42
Sammi
I literally can't say anything because I did the same thing, but anyway.
01:18:42
Steve
yeah
01:18:46
Steve
I know. right It's fine. but that i I mean, the only reason I'm joking is because it's just, it's so funny because it's like, there's an age gap, but he's not like, is it's not like he's like 80 and she's 20.
01:18:52
Sammi
Yeah.
01:18:58
Sammi
He's 17 years older. He's 17 years older.
01:18:59
Steve
Yeah.
01:19:00
Sammi
Like my husband's 15 years older. So I'm like, I can't really talk, but also like, it's not like they started dating when she was super young either.
01:19:04
Steve
Yeah,
01:19:08
Sammi
I don't think because she was married and divorced.
01:19:09
Steve
yeah exactly. It's not like he was her babysitter. Yeah. Like these are adults.
01:19:11
Sammi
Yeah. Like so, cause the, but that's the thing you worry about with like these, I don't know when they started dating, but I think she was like in her mid late twenties by the time they started dating.
01:19:19
Steve
Yeah.
01:19:20
Sammi
So it's like maybe a little on the border, but he was.
01:19:20
Steve
And wasn't he like dating or married to a housewife or something previously too?
01:19:24
Sammi
Oh, I don't know.
01:19:25
Steve
He, I believe he has a housewife connection of some sort.
01:19:27
Sammi
See Brett Engman. Okay. Let's see. So yeah. So she, okay. They married in 2021. She got divorced in 2020. They turned around really quickly.
01:19:34
Steve
Wow. I mean, the Mormons are moving quick.
01:19:36
Sammi
Oh, he was previously married to Angie Harrington.
01:19:38
Steve
That's, that's the kind of the thing. There you go. See?
01:19:41
Sammi
I did not realize that. That's interesting.
01:19:44
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:19:44
Sammi
That's interesting.
01:19:45
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:19:45
Sammi
He was also initially cast in clear crawly season of the Bachelorette, but ended up dropping out of the running before filming began.
01:19:51
Steve
Wow. That I did not know.
01:19:53
Sammi
Interesting.
01:19:53
Steve
It's all coming back around.
01:19:54
Sammi
Yeah.
01:19:55
Steve
Look at that.
01:19:55
Sammi
Yeah.
01:19:55
Steve
We're connecting it to the actual thing the podcast is about.
01:19:57
Sammi
Yeah, he was he was a football quarterback for Brigham Young University from 1999 to 2002.
01:19:58
Steve
ah
01:20:02
Sammi
He was married to Angie Harrington. I had no idea. But yeah, so they so they obviously started dating in like 2020. So she was like in her mid late 20s.
01:20:10
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:13
Sammi
It's like, yeah, you know, it's like a little but I mean, she was like married and divorced and like I think had kids by then. Yeah. So, you know, I don't know. Yeah. she Oh, 16 years apart.
01:20:24
Sammi
Wait. so Oh, nearly 17 year.
01:20:24
Steve
No, he calls it up.
01:20:26
Sammi
OK, people. Um, but yeah, she said, oh, and she did, but this is a little weird. Um, she did know him through a family friend growing up. Well, okay. All right.
01:20:36
Sammi
I don't know. Danger zone.
01:20:37
Steve
I love it.
01:20:37
Sammi
Maybe I changed my mind.
01:20:38
Steve
Don't love it.
01:20:39
Sammi
Maybe I changed my mind.
01:20:39
Steve
Don't love it.
01:20:40
Sammi
Danger, danger. Um, but she said there's been controversy around their relationship.
01:20:41
Steve
This is the light is turning yellow. It's getting close to red.
01:20:46
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like I also knew my husband when I was younger, but I was also an adult.
01:20:54
Steve
Well.
01:20:54
Sammi
I was in my early 20s, but I was an adult.
01:20:58
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:20:58
Sammi
So just putting that out there.
01:21:00
Steve
Yeah.
01:21:00
Sammi
um Anyway, now now I'm going to get um in controversy.
01:21:03
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:21:05
Sammi
um But anyway, so then then they do um the the Vegas trip. And this is when we find out that say I can't a gambling addiction. I mean, alleged gambling addiction.
01:21:16
Steve
Oh my gosh, and this is great too, because ah guess what else Bormans can't do? It's not just like not drink coffee and tea, you probably shouldn't gamble.
01:21:21
Sammi
Yeah.
01:21:24
Steve
And then you find out it's like, ah not only is he going to Vegas and playing table games all night, ah but on top of that, it's like he like blew a ridiculous amount of their money on gambling.
01:21:37
Steve
So he like, he already screwed up.
01:21:37
Sammi
Yeah.
01:21:39
Steve
It is like, I mean, it's been made public knowledge because it's on the show.
01:21:43
Sammi
Yeah.
01:21:43
Steve
And then you see him doing this stuff. And then His entire shtick is I am morally superior to my wife and want to control her in every way possible.
01:21:51
Sammi
Yeah, he's so gross. like and she's Well, because they're like, can we talk about it? And Jen is like way too kind to her about her husband. And she's like, just don't make it sound like it's an addiction.
01:22:02
Sammi
And I'm like, well, it kind of is. you know And she's like she's like, if I give you $2,500, you can't lose it all.
01:22:04
Steve
yeah
01:22:10
Sammi
And he's like, and if I do, I won't gamble for the rest of the year. I'm like, what the hell? $2,500?
01:22:15
Steve
ah generous allowance Yeah, if I spend more than $100 I feel bad like I don't I me playing penny slots No, yeah
01:22:17
Sammi
I have literally, like I worked in a casino. i I very rarely gamble. I've never spent more than like, I don't know, $100 gambling. Like, yes. I'm like, I cannot wrap my head around $2,500. Yeah. I literally put like a quarter and a machine in $180. And I was like, I'm done.
01:22:37
Sammi
And I didn't go, oh, well, if I'd put in a dollar, it would have been this much like, no, I went, I want $80 and I stopped playing because I don't have a problem with gaming.
01:22:49
Sammi
um But anyway, so that was like really messed up. And then, yeah, they go to Chippendales and she just sits and watches and he's like, I would divorce you over this. And it's like, that's so fucked up.
01:23:00
Sammi
I.
01:23:00
Steve
Also, yeah, like the Chippendales show in Vegas is, it's gotta be so tame, so tame.
01:23:04
Sammi
Pretty tame. It's pretty tame.
01:23:07
Steve
Like if you, like there's like horny variants of Cirque du Soleil that are way, way, way worse than what you would see at at Chippendales.
01:23:07
Sammi
Like, yeah.
01:23:12
Sammi
Yes, yes. And it's like, yeah, and it's not like Thunder Down Under.
01:23:15
Steve
Had to specify horny variant too, not all Cirque du Soleil.
01:23:16
Sammi
It's like, yeah, not all Cirque du Soleil shows, but there are some horny ones.
01:23:21
Steve
Yes, there are some horny ones, yeah.
01:23:22
Sammi
ah Yeah, I was like, I want to see cod. and It wasn't like that at all.
01:23:28
Sammi
um But anyway, yeah, it was like it was so weird because she was like it sounded like she was hyperbolic.
Vegas Trip & Relationship Strain
01:23:35
Sammi
She's like, no, I think he would divorce me over this. And then and here's the thing that was fucked up, too, is like a bait and switch because he was like, I'm OK.
01:23:41
Sammi
And then he's like, I'm suddenly not OK. So it's like he trapped her. He tricked her. And then she's like feeling horrible because he said it was OK and then decided it wasn't OK. It's like you can't do that.
01:23:52
Sammi
That's not.
01:23:52
Steve
Yeah.
01:23:53
Sammi
All right, you know.
01:23:54
Steve
And, ah and, you know, just a ah ah little relationship advice from your old buddy, Steve, if you are in a relationship and you want to do something completely normal, innocuous, like, it' and you know it to be perfectly fine.
01:24:09
Steve
You just, you know, you're like, this is fine.
01:24:10
Sammi
Yeah.
01:24:12
Steve
And then your partner gets irrationally mad to the point of like threatening to leave you. That's not a person you should be with.
01:24:18
Sammi
That's bad.
01:24:19
Steve
It's bad.
01:24:19
Sammi
That's a bad.
01:24:20
Steve
We don't like that. We don't like that.
01:24:20
Sammi
That's a bad thing. Yeah, it was so weird.
01:24:21
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:22
Sammi
I was like, she can't win. Like, this is just like so bad, you know? um Yeah. And then um so that happens. And they're like, I don't know if there's a lot that happens in that last that second to last episode.
01:24:36
Sammi
It's basically just like the fallout from that. And then like the whole and then Taylor finds out about like the Dakota stuff. And there's a lot of fighting back and forth with like Taylor and Dakota and a lot of these episodes.
01:24:46
Sammi
And it's really hard to watch.
01:24:48
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:48
Sammi
especially because on the last episode, she's like giving birth, you know, and she's like, things are still not really that good. And I'm like, oh, God, this sucks. Like this hurts. Like it really it really is like such a bummer.
01:24:58
Steve
Yeah.
01:25:01
Sammi
um And and Dakota is I mean, I in my opinion, I think Dakota was lying.
01:25:03
Steve
Oh,
01:25:08
Sammi
That's my opinion about the rumor.
01:25:10
Steve
oh yeah.
01:25:10
Sammi
He's like he's like a totally didn't happen. And I'm like, I mean I don't believe you.
01:25:15
Steve
Yeah, like the only greetings I can give to him saying, oh, it didn't happen is because he's such scum and he's so unlikable that like it's reasonable that it didn't happen because like who would, like I can't imagine a woman being attracted to him.
01:25:27
Sammi
Yeah, or maybe the timing was a little different and the person like didn't understand the exact timing or something like that's possible.
01:25:30
Steve
Yeah, yeah. i if you If you were Zach, what what what would you bet on?
01:25:35
Sammi
But I would I think in my opinion, based on
01:25:43
Sammi
Yeah, if I was Zach, well, I would probably bet wrong because Zach's really good at losing money.
01:25:44
Steve
um Yeah.
01:25:47
Sammi
um But, but ah yeah, I mean, I just I think it's probably not. I think it's probably a lie what he's saying. And also, I don't think even though I'm kind of like so so with Macy, I don't think there's a reason for her to lie about this.
01:26:04
Sammi
Like, I don't know.
01:26:04
Steve
now No, no. There's other benefit from it.
01:26:06
Sammi
And I also Yeah, like she doesn't win at all. She is one of those people who is obviously trying to like be cool with everybody in the show.
01:26:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:26:14
Sammi
Like she's not trying to make waves the way some of the other women in the show are.
01:26:18
Steve
now
01:26:19
Sammi
um And it's like I would say, you know, Macy and Michaela, because she's really there and like Jesse are kind of like the most non-controversial women on the season. Like They like it's funny because I feel like Jesse kind of acts like she's messy, but she doesn't actually cause any mess.
01:26:35
Sammi
Like she'll be like she'll be like, I like drama, but she doesn't really like contribute to a lot of it.
01:26:35
Steve
now No,
01:26:41
Sammi
So she she's just kind of like, but I'm going to do your hair instead.
01:26:44
Steve
but it's, it's like,
01:26:44
Sammi
I think most of it goes down in that salon and we don't see it.
01:26:46
Steve
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's funny too because she's she's older than the other girls.
01:26:47
Sammi
Yeah.
01:26:50
Sammi
Yeah.
01:26:51
Steve
um And unlike Whitney who I don't see any sincerity in and it like scares me slash annoys me, I love.
01:26:57
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:27:00
Steve
her lack of sincerity with some things. And it's not even a lack of sincerity. It's just like, she's just like playing a character basically. Like she's, she's playing everything up and she wants to be the baddest of the bad girls, but without actually doing anything.
01:27:07
Sammi
Yeah.
01:27:11
Steve
Cause I don't think she's like not, ah she's, she's a nice person. It seems like, but like,
01:27:15
Sammi
I think she's like pretty like run of the mill normal.
01:27:17
Steve
Yeah.
01:27:18
Sammi
Yeah, but she'll be like, she'll be like, I'm so yeah, naughty.
01:27:18
Steve
Like that's the thing. Like if she was not on this show, she would be, yeah, she'd be like the most like innocuous person, but, but here she's like, Hey guys, let's play a game called what's your favorite penis?
01:27:21
Sammi
Yeah.
01:27:25
Sammi
Yeah.
01:27:29
Steve
My favorite kind of penis is penis. What do you think? And they're like, Oh, yeah.
01:27:32
Sammi
Oh, yeah, that's true. Because she did that whole I forgot to talk about like the whole labiaplasty and like let's paint, you know, and all that stuff.
01:27:37
Steve
Like, but everything she does is just like, this is like a, what a sixth grader would think is bad.
01:27:39
Sammi
But it was like, but it was like cute. Yeah, it was just cute and normal. It wasn't like that weird.
01:27:44
Steve
but No.
01:27:45
Sammi
And I think she thought that women would be more scandalized. And they're all like, I'll paint that. And she was like, Oh, okay, I thought I was going to be the wildest one. And it's like, so I think there's something really funny about Jesse.
01:27:52
Steve
I know. And that's she's, she's really trying.
01:27:54
Sammi
Yeah.
01:27:55
Steve
She's like, she's like, I know I'm not the main character, but I gotta, I gotta get in that lane and I gotta like establish who I am.
01:27:59
Sammi
Yeah.
01:28:01
Steve
And I'm, I'm the raunchy one. It's like, I don't know. You're like barely PG 13 most of the time, girl.
01:28:05
Sammi
Yeah, I'm like, I think I think I think to me has got you beat.
01:28:05
Steve
like Anybody want a wine cooler?
01:28:08
Sammi
I think Taylor's got you beat. I think Jen might even have you beat. Yeah, yeah, she's like, I'm a but little bit naughty.
01:28:14
Steve
jesica
01:28:16
Sammi
I'm the rebel. And I'm like, but I still really like her.
01:28:17
Steve
Yeah. I had I had one and a half Heineken's last night and I googled balls.
01:28:20
Sammi
Yeah.
01:28:26
Sammi
Yeah. No, I really I like her. Maybe she'll come into her own a little bit more next season too.
01:28:30
Steve
Yeah. Hell yeah. I fucking love her. Keep doing like.
01:28:33
Sammi
Yeah, I'll ride for Jesse. Yeah.
01:28:35
Steve
Yeah, Jesse, keep doing sexy stuff that's not sexy, but you think it is like it's cool. I love it.
01:28:40
Sammi
No, we like you. We like you a lot.
01:28:41
Steve
Yeah, you're you're the you're the goodest bad girl.
01:28:41
Sammi
um
01:28:45
Sammi
Yeah, there's something there's something, but yeah, I'm like, she literally doesn't cause any drama. Like if you rewatch the show, like she, she projects this and then you're like, Oh, she didn't cause any problems and everybody likes her.
01:28:50
Steve
None, none.
01:28:55
Steve
Didn't do anything.
01:28:57
Sammi
And, but that's good.
01:28:57
Steve
All right, yeah.
01:28:58
Sammi
Like, yeah, she tried, you know, but it's interesting. Um, yeah. So then there's the the finale is like Macy's like baby mama brand launch, which like, I feel so weird about that name, but anyway, whatever.
01:29:09
Sammi
um And then there's like this photo shoot that she does and then like Dakota's like, let's turn it into our photo shoot. but I want to take my shirt off like so weird.
01:29:19
Steve
which is like the most like barfy dude thing ever.
01:29:21
Sammi
Yeah.
01:29:23
Steve
Like I was just like, there's, there's some things where it's like that secondhand embarrassment.
01:29:24
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:29:28
Steve
Like my my skin just crawls.
01:29:30
Sammi
Mm hmm.
01:29:30
Steve
And when he did that, he's like, Oh, can we get a couple here? It's like, this is, that's, I was just like talking to my television. Like that's not what this is for.
01:29:36
Sammi
Yeah. And then Macy's like, I spent money on this. What the hell's wrong with you?
01:29:41
Steve
Yeah.
01:29:41
Sammi
It's like, yeah, that guy sucks. um Yeah, he's terrible.
01:29:43
Steve
the worst absolutely unforgivable like forever blacklisted from like he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near like hinge or tinder or anything just because of that like he's just you're banned you're banned from women my god yeah i'm sorry it's my fault
01:29:53
Sammi
Yeah, he's so slimy. um But anyway, my favorite part about the end of this, and um we'll try to wrap this up in a couple minutes, ah because we're going on way too long. um But okay, so no, it's okay. but I could talk about this for like five hours, I'm realizing.
01:30:09
Sammi
Um, but yeah, so Whitney doesn't come to like the finale brand launch party and they were like, we're gonna in a coordinated effort mass unfollow Whitney if she doesn't show up here at the same time, which was like the coolest, like, because that's the stuff that hurts Whitney.
01:30:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:30:25
Sammi
That's the thing.
01:30:25
Steve
Oh yeah.
01:30:25
Sammi
It's like, because she has this like shifting identity, it's like,
01:30:29
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:30:30
Sammi
Yeah. um And that's why she thinks leaving the group chat is like this big fuck you, because that's like where she's like deriving her identity from. So the fact that they all identified that and they're like, we're gonna all like and some of the other women are like, Oh my god, I wasn't following Oh, I oh yeah, I unfollowed you because you said that I'll follow you again. You know, it's like whatever no big deal. And that happens on like housewives all the time where I'll be like, Oh yeah, I unfollowed you because I didn't like that one thing you said, but then I refollowed you. So it's fine. and Like no big deal.
01:30:56
Steve
Yeah.
01:30:57
Sammi
Like it's like, yeah, that would be damaging to her. And, you know, it's like, Oh, will mom talk, survive Whitney leaving? And then to find out like, yeah, everyone's actually kind of fine if you're here or not is the funniest.
01:31:10
Steve
Oh, it's so good. it's And for her, it's just like, if a bunch of people were like, we're all gonna unfollow Steve on Instagram, I'd be like, fine, I don't even post anything.
01:31:11
Sammi
Yeah.
01:31:16
Sammi
Yeah.
01:31:17
Steve
like what but But for her, you're right, it's her whole identity.
01:31:17
Sammi
Yeah. Like I'm literally like, I don't pay attention.
01:31:21
Steve
So for her, it's like, that's like the, the you know, Joe Pesci Goodfellas scene.
01:31:21
Sammi
Yeah.
01:31:25
Steve
like It's just like completely just just giving her one to the dome man like that but and but for anyone else you're like that's so silly but it really is like so much of who she is is tied up in the fact that she's like a I don't know a sentient brand so to do something like that it's but hurts her my god
01:31:26
Sammi
Yes.
01:31:41
Sammi
Yeah, that's the thing. like She just really needs that. um But you know what's really exciting is we're supposed to, sometime in the spring, get 20 episodes.
01:31:55
Sammi
for season two.
01:31:56
Steve
I love that for me.
01:31:57
Sammi
How exciting is that? Yeah, so um hopefully that does happen. And we get that. And you know in the meanwhile, I'm just going to watch finally season two of Severance, the thing I feel like I've waited my whole life for.
01:32:03
Steve
Oh, I can't wait 20 episodes.
01:32:08
Sammi
it Can't wait.
01:32:10
Steve
I'm just gonna, I'm gonna wake up at the crack of dawn.
01:32:10
Sammi
her
01:32:12
Steve
I'm going to fire up the Hulu. I'm going to pour myself a big bowl of fruity pebbles and drink.
01:32:17
Sammi
drink my swig. And by the time, swig will be here by that time.
01:32:21
Steve
Yep.
01:32:21
Sammi
No, we'll see. um Yeah, I'm so excited. But yeah, thanks for being here for this special episode. Our very special episode on ah Courtney actually did pretty well on the YouTube, which is exciting.
01:32:29
Steve
Look at us.
01:32:32
Sammi
so So hey, if you like these, let us know if there's specific things you want to see us cover, like tell us if you're watching this on YouTube, tell us in the comments, you know, let us know um on social media, like what you want to see, because I think these are fun.
01:32:45
Sammi
We'll try to do these every once in a while between seasons.
01:32:46
Steve
Yeah.
01:32:48
Sammi
ah But we're going to see you next week.
01:32:49
Steve
Oh my gosh.
01:32:51
Sammi
Oh, my gosh, for the new season of The Bachelor.
01:32:52
Steve
It's time. It's time.
01:32:54
Sammi
I can't believe it. That's wild. And then we'll talk Bachelor Nation gossip and all of that stuff, because
01:33:00
Steve
Of course, we have to.
01:33:01
Sammi
big breakups, big stuff happening, lots of rumors going on.
01:33:03
Steve
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
01:33:05
Sammi
I don't know. It's interesting. um But until then, friends, take care of yourselves. Drink a giant soda and balance it out with something not like a soda and eat a salad.
01:33:22
Sammi
If you want, you don't have to.
01:33:23
Steve
yeah ah Don't do needle drugs though.
01:33:30
Sammi
I like seriously do want a giant soda though.
01:33:30
Steve
little spinach.
01:33:34
Sammi
Like I just keep thinking, I'm like, Swig, whatever you got paid to get that sponsorship, it was worth every penny.
01:33:34
Steve
Yeah.
01:33:44
Steve
I'm I'm gonna go on Amazon and just find us like the biggest soda cups humanly possible out of your desk.
01:33:53
Sammi
Stay tuned for season two.
01:33:54
Steve
Yeah.