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Rose Plate Special: Bachelor in Paradise 2025 Season Finale
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This one sat in the drafts for a second, friends. SO sorry! Blame Sammi and her first week back to school.
So, not all our predictions were correct, but one thing is for sure: Nobody on this show thought much about game theory. OR, maybe they think more about being perceived as a villain in this age of social media scrutiny? Well, either way, we're onto the new season in just a few short weeks. Will we cover Survivor? Do the people want it?
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:16
Sammi
Hello, I'm Sammy, and you're listening or watching a Rose Plate special, the most dramatic, podcast of The Bachelor ever.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:36
Steve
Ever!
00:00:37
Sammi
Didn't I make it sound more exciting than the episode itself?
Critique of Bachelor Episode Format
00:00:40
Steve
Oh my God. That episode was, I was just saying, I was like, there's never been a longer episode of television with less in it.
00:00:41
Sammi
Pretty good.
00:00:47
Steve
Also, so I hope everybody's listening and not watching.
00:00:47
Sammi
Yeah.
00:00:49
Steve
Cause I have a big zit right in the middle of my forehead.
00:00:51
Sammi
Everybody, everybody go over to YouTube. If you're not on YouTube right now, go look at that zit.
00:00:54
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. Drop drop ah drop a comment in and call me zit face.
00:00:56
Sammi
Actually, there are certain
00:01:00
Sammi
there are certain like pod catchers, too, that will like show our video rather than audio. I think it depends on your settings.
00:01:05
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:01:06
Sammi
Yeah. So, yeah, I know it's very.
00:01:08
Steve
A lot of people can know that I look like shit today.
00:01:10
Sammi
Very fancy, very fancy.
Personal Anecdotes and Challenges
00:01:12
Sammi
I decided, you know, I'm like that weird person who like will start ah challenges for myself that I don't necessarily tell anyone about. I mean, I'm telling all of you right now, so I guess you'll know.
00:01:24
Sammi
Like one time when I worked, I worked at an accounting firm and I was like the colorful person in the office, right? They'd be like, that's just Sammy. We just let her, we we let her do whatever she wants, you know, whatever.
00:01:31
Steve
Shock of the century.
00:01:35
Sammi
and And then I had like I got it this idea and I was like, what if I dressed to a theme every week?
00:01:43
Steve
Mmm.
00:01:43
Sammi
So I would like wear the same whatever for a whole week and then I would switch the theme. And I was like, I'm going to do it until somebody comments on something I'm wearing. And I want to say I did it for like a hundred something days or more, maybe even several months, like six months, five, six months.
00:01:58
Steve
My God.
00:02:01
Sammi
I don't know um I have to look. um I did take a picture every day. So I have like an album. Do i have that close to me? I probably don't. I have an album with like everything I wore. So it's like I think I just started with like all red, all yellow. Like, i you know, like I went through the rainbow and did like, you know, wearing all one color one for a whole week.
00:02:23
Sammi
And then nobody noticed then. And then I think I did. can't remember what think I did like stripes. I did like all stripes for one week. I did all floral for one week.
00:02:34
Sammi
I did like um animals. I did food, like food earrings and stuff like that. And that was when someone caught wise, I think, was when I was wearing food earrings.
00:02:44
Sammi
They're like, I feel like you've worn food earrings every day this week.
00:02:44
Steve
Oh, and they're like,
00:02:46
Sammi
And I was like, that's the thing you noticed after all these like months of me doing this?
00:02:51
Steve
Congratulations.
00:02:52
Sammi
Yeah, so now my new challenge is I'm trying to wear a unique outfit every day to school. And I think I've got about like 60 to 65 days that I'll be on campus.
00:03:05
Steve
Okay.
00:03:05
Sammi
So that's like 60 plus original outfits. So anyway, so I'm wearing I'm wearing like a fun skirt.
00:03:11
Steve
That's a big challenge.
00:03:14
Sammi
It's like a very fun skirt. don't know if you can see it.
00:03:16
Steve
Oh my, very colorful.
00:03:18
Sammi
Yeah, it's very colorful. um And I'm teaching a lab with a kitchen this year. So I also have to make sure that like I have things that work with my clothes, toed shoes and that I don't mind getting dirty.
00:03:24
Steve
oh
00:03:31
Sammi
So I have to being very organized. And then I'm also got my new nails, which I sent you and made you guess.
00:03:37
Steve
e
00:03:38
Sammi
So.
00:03:38
Steve
I know, and it took me quite a while, but then when I got it, I was just like, oh my god. it's so It's so weird, too, because it's so it's so like niche, sportsy.
00:03:49
Sammi
Yeah.
00:03:50
Steve
but
00:03:50
Sammi
It is the most niche sports. OK, so this is
Niche Sports References and Style
00:03:53
Sammi
what happened. So ah this is more interesting than the finale. So I went and got my nails done on Monday and i said I said to my husband, I'm like, what?
00:04:04
Sammi
I didn't have any ideas. Like I usually have ideas like I already have ideas for Halloween. You know what i mean? Like it's.
00:04:09
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:09
Sammi
And i'm I'm about to book like all of my nail appointments for the semester. is So I'm like set. um And I was like, OK, well, what should I do with my nails? And it didn't take him long.
00:04:21
Sammi
I want to say he was buffering for no more than 15 to 30 seconds, maybe maybe less.
00:04:25
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:04:27
Sammi
And he just goes, Micah Parsons sweater. Yeah. And I was like, what do you mean? And I hadn't seen the press conference.
00:04:35
Steve
the
00:04:35
Sammi
I've been kind of out of the loop football wise for a while. I guess I'm like, I guess I got to jump back in And he's like, oh, my God, he wore this amazing striped sweater in his press conference. And I keep thinking about how good it is and how much I like it.
00:04:47
Sammi
And you should do your nails like that.
00:04:47
Steve
well
00:04:49
Sammi
So, yeah. So we did Micah Parsons sweater. So like the, you know, the fingers, most of my fingers are like the colors of the sweater. And then the middle finger is like the stripes that are on his shirt.
00:04:57
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:05:01
Sammi
ah cuff and like his collar had like red in it as well so we were we we like tried to color match as close as we could and anyway so um for all the people who like The Bachelor and also football because I know there's so many of them it's
00:05:03
Steve
Mm-hmm. It was really good.
00:05:17
Steve
All two of you...
00:05:18
Sammi
Specifically the Packers. I hope you enjoy that.
Predictability in Reality TV
00:05:21
Sammi
um But yeah, so this episode, I really don't have a lot to say about it I guess the one thing that I would say is, okay, first what I'll say is, obviously the Goldens had to leave and self-eliminate because them taking the money would be not fun.
00:05:35
Steve
Yeah. i
00:05:40
Steve
Hilarious.
00:05:40
Sammi
Everybody would be like so mad.
00:05:40
Steve
yeah
00:05:42
Sammi
Yeah.
00:05:42
Steve
No, and and again, this is why this is like the most, and I get this is the first time they're doing it this way. We've talked about the production changes. We've talked about, you know, just the format changes in general.
00:05:54
Steve
But my God, how could you have not predicted that it would shake out this way? Because, yeah, it's like the golden self eliminate.
00:05:59
Sammi
yeah
00:06:02
Steve
Everyone is an idiot because they're like, Oh, we want the strongest couples to stick around. Why?
00:06:12
Sammi
mm-hmm
00:06:12
Steve
you're Now you're playing for money. So who cares? ah The continued use of the rose ceremony, asinine, instead of just like getting rid of that in lieu of voting, all of this is coming to a head.
00:06:26
Steve
So what happens at the end? Nothing. Nothing, really. It's like, yeah, the Golden self-eliminate, which we kind of knew was coming. um they didn't They didn't stand a chance. There's one last physical challenge, which ultimately doesn't seem to matter all that much.
00:06:43
Steve
ah And also, it's a really good argument for why not keep the scrawny weenies around? I'd be keeping Goldens around everywhere, okay? You tell me the Goldens are going be able to like hold three times their body weight or whatever and over a pool? No.
00:07:00
Steve
And there's been multiple physical
Physical Challenges and Strategy
00:07:01
Steve
challenges. I would have kept Goldens everywhere.
00:07:03
Sammi
I think they only got up to like 40% of their body weight or something like that combined.
00:07:03
Steve
And...
00:07:06
Steve
Yeah. It's still a lot.
00:07:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:07:07
Steve
I mean, i would I would shrivel and die. You should keep me around. But... No, it's like, who do we got there? We got Juicehead Dale. We've got you know ah Spencer, who's who's pretty jacked. we All he's got, Andrew, he's he's jacked.
00:07:22
Steve
I don't want jacked dudes. I want skin and bones against me. yeah So all of this is dumb. And then it doesn't matter because... Everybody comes back and it's supposed to be this big dramatic moment where they can, you know, vote other people in to potentially like get money or something like it's weird.
00:07:46
Sammi
Yeah.
00:07:47
Steve
And then lo and behold, of course, Dale and Kat are gone. And that's it. Like, that's it. That's the whole thing. And then even at the end, too, it's just like, whoa, are they going to choose love are they going to choose money? They're going to choose love because they're dumb.
00:08:08
Steve
You know, and then and then there's this kind of like mea culpa thing at the end where they're like, oh, well, you chose love instead of money. But here's some envelopes with significantly less money, but still a lot of money.
00:08:20
Steve
So pick one. Maybe you'll get some money. they're like, wow, I won $90,000. Yeah, you yeah you did But like, you could have won $250. You know what I do? I go to my girl. I say, listen, you're going to choose love.
00:08:35
Steve
I'm going to choose money. Put on the crocodile tears. I'm going to walk with that $250 bag. I'll see on the other side, toots. We're still dating. That's what you do.
00:08:44
Sammi
Well, but here's what happened. Okay. So we obviously, it's like very obvious to us that this is like a game theory question. This is like the same thing that happened in the dark night.
00:08:51
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:08:53
Sammi
Okay. So if you don't realize that, then you're not paying attention, right? It's like, if you both pick the same thing, you, you know, if you both pick the good thing you win, if you both pick the, you know, bad, you know, the, the selfish thing you lose, right?
00:09:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:09:06
Sammi
Whatever.
00:09:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:09:07
Sammi
Um, But I don't necessarily know if they talked
Game Theory and Contestant Strategy
00:09:12
Sammi
about that beforehand. There's a couple things playing here. I understand why they decided the way that they did at the end. um I don't want to. I will go back to the the controversies and and the people coming back and all of that, because i do want to talk about that a little bit.
00:09:25
Steve
yeah
00:09:26
Sammi
But I do understand why they did what they did. Just just to argue for why they made those choices. first of all once they got to the final two they immediately separated them so that they couldn't talk in scheme they should have probably known that this was coming before that because to me it's like patently obvious but who knows they might have made it more obvious to us than them um how this was going to roll because i mean they they said it was five hundred thousand dollars and then it's like well actually it's 250 like you know it's like that's also kind of confusing right um
00:09:44
Steve
yeah
00:09:56
Steve
yeah it's $250 because your friends voted for other people to potentially get money sure
00:10:02
Sammi
Yeah, it's very it's very weird, right? Like, that that whole thing was weird because it was like the money, like, dwindled immediately.
00:10:09
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:09
Sammi
But, like, I think there is something...
00:10:09
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:15
Sammi
I think if it was like in the early years of The Bachelor, if it was like pre-Instagram Bachelor, it would be so easy to say that you would make a decision like that because you wouldn't be subject to like a lot of hate online.
00:10:32
Steve
yeah
00:10:32
Sammi
You know what I mean? Because it's like, even though we know it's a game, we know most of the villains are fake, you know, like some of the likable people are actually terrible because it's not real, right?
00:10:44
Sammi
um But But there is it is very real that like even the people who are very well liked on this show get death threats. I mean, for the most innocuous bullshit stuff, like do we bitch and complain about people being annoying or, you know, whatever ridiculous?
00:10:53
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:57
Steve
Totally.
00:11:04
Sammi
Yeah, of course.
00:11:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:11:05
Sammi
But we don't go like and outside of the people I like commenting something supportive about. I'm not going to go out of my way to post a hate comment to someone on reality television.
00:11:15
Steve
No.
00:11:17
Sammi
Like, literally, I have no energy to do that. And I think that's so silly.
00:11:22
Steve
Yep.
00:11:22
Sammi
But I do think just in the way that, like... um Oh, my God. Brendan and Piper. Right. When they were on, it's like you can see how social media has changed the show when like Brendan and Piper get vilified for talking about things that are really going to happen. I mean, they were not smart to do it on the show. They shouldn't have. um But it's like it is real. It is true.
00:11:47
Steve
now
00:11:48
Sammi
um And, you know, like when John Paul Jones was on the date and and whoever he was, I can't remember who was on the date with, but she was like, don't eat the date. You can't eat the date food. Right. Like, you know, it's like it's all this weird stuff that there's always like fourth wall breaking in the show now because.
00:12:05
Sammi
there is this constant thought of how am I going to be perceived when I go home? Like Leia was perceived more as a kind of like a mild villain, like a like a lukewarm villain um and obviously got like a better edit on
00:12:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:18
Steve
I like that.
Social Media Influence on Contestants
00:12:21
Sammi
Paradise.
00:12:22
Sammi
um But it's like, yeah, like people come there to rehab their image. People come there and yeah, people come there to like support their businesses and get brand deals when they come on the other side and all of that.
00:12:33
Sammi
And anything, any decision that they make, it's like you could look at it like if i took the two hundred fifty thousand dollars and I looked like a villain and i walked away. And even if I was still dating that person, I could get eaten alive by social media.
00:12:51
Steve
No.
00:12:51
Sammi
And I that and that means that I might not get as many followers or people might drop off or whatever.
00:12:56
Steve
Brand deals, yeah.
00:12:57
Sammi
Yes. And the brand deals that I lose could cost more, could cost me more than taking the lower check right now.
00:13:05
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:13:06
Sammi
So actually think it is good strategy to to choose love. um
00:13:13
Steve
Sammy played the long game. I would brand myself as the ultimate villain. That's...
00:13:17
Sammi
Well, that's the thing. See, I would...
00:13:19
Steve
And then I get on Traitors, and then I get on that Villain House show.
00:13:23
Sammi
That's true. You could do it that way, too. But it's a longer road and sometimes it's not as lucrative.
00:13:25
Steve
ah Yeah, and you got to commit to the bit.
00:13:28
Sammi
Right.
00:13:29
Steve
Like, do you want to be a heel for the rest of your life?
00:13:30
Sammi
Yeah. It's it takes like a lot of energy, you know.
00:13:33
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:13:34
Sammi
um Yeah. So I think that's i my my. strategy would definitely be like, be cool with everybody.
00:13:45
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:13:45
Sammi
you know Be cool with everybody. Be the person who cooks in the house. Be the person who provides the entertainment. you know That's what I would do. so you know In favor of maybe less money, but maybe more people would be like, she's relatable.
00:14:00
Sammi
I like her. you know so like she didn't get a lot of airtime but she is kind of she's kind of spunky I like I like that one you know like that's that would be my my goal or the way I wanted Parisa to play this game it would have been great to see her be like the total weirdo on the beach that she is like but that's okay she is doing it on social media the
00:14:01
Steve
yeah
00:14:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:17
Steve
Oh, yeah. No. No. Instead, she settled for dating the worst man!
00:14:25
Sammi
No, her Instagram, though, is you can watch fun videos of her like pretending to be like David Attenborough. um So that's your kind of thing.
00:14:34
Steve
ha!
00:14:35
Sammi
They're really good. I think they're really funny. um But yeah, so let's talk about.
Final Couples and Relationship Dynamics
00:14:40
Sammi
So we get down to, you know, these final three couples, right? There's there's Cat and Dale.
00:14:46
Sammi
There's Andrew and Alex. And wait, no. Yeah. And then there's Spencer and Jess because Jeremy and Bailey go home and Kathy and Keith go home.
00:14:55
Steve
who
00:14:57
Sammi
Right. Yeah. I'm not wrong about that.
00:14:58
Steve
Yep.
00:14:59
Sammi
That's how it went.
00:14:59
Steve
Nope.
00:15:00
Sammi
And then it's this just we just watched this on Tuesday. What is my brain at first week of school brain first week of school brain. So then they do this. Yeah. It's weird because it's like they did all these like faith, trust, relationship, strength challenges.
00:15:17
Sammi
And then at the very end, they're like, well, now we're going to do physical strength. Okay, I guess. It just seems kind of weird, but I don't know what I would want the final challenge to be, but I think if it had just been the people like voting down to the final two...
00:15:23
Steve
Cool.
00:15:39
Sammi
Maybe that would have been more compelling. I don't know. There's something about it that just like didn't work for me. um Because because here's the deal. Like we have. Yeah. Like you said, all the former contestants come back. It feels very like the way I remember Survivor to be when I used to watch Survivor.
00:15:54
Sammi
You know, it's like they're coming back and you got to face them and everything.
00:15:55
Steve
who
00:15:58
Sammi
By the way, are we watching the new season of Survivor? Because I feel like we are.
00:16:02
Steve
I probably should based on the stuff you sent me.
00:16:04
Sammi
I'm like, I'm obsessed with some of the people that they have chosen. Like, we've got little guy energy. And someone who was like, well, I'm not, I'm around, I've never been around this many straight people before.
00:16:15
Steve
but
00:16:15
Sammi
I'm so excited. I'm like, this is like, this is what we want in TV. And this is what The Bachelor doesn't understand.
00:16:21
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:23
Sammi
It's like, can I can't tell you how many comment sections I've looked at that are like, we want James and Aaron. Okay. We don't want this bullshit. Like,
00:16:32
Steve
No bullshit.
00:16:32
Sammi
That's what we want. We want bromances. We want, you know, it's like they don't understand like the fun that we want to see on TV. They're just like not getting it. And then they're like, we're going to pull little elements from all these different TV shows and maybe it will mix together at work and it's not working.
00:16:48
Sammi
It's like try something different, like or just go back to Bessie people on the beach.
00:16:49
Steve
Nope.
00:16:55
Sammi
Okay. Who don't have their own comfy rooms.
00:16:55
Steve
Nothing wrong with that.
00:16:59
Sammi
So it's very frustrating to watch. But anyway. um Yeah. So we have this like survivor like thing. Right. Like um and they're like, you got to answer and, you you know, one last conversation. and And here's the other annoying thing.
Accusations and Rumors About Kat
00:17:13
Sammi
It's they're like they're indulging Sean, which like he doesn't need to be encouraged.
00:17:17
Sammi
Okay. He just like doesn't need to be encouraged at all.
00:17:18
Steve
Thank you.
00:17:19
Sammi
So he's like, ah we're going do a pile of into paradise. They thought it was a good idea. And so they brought me back to do this. And I'm just like, oh, so ah so anyway, they they do this thing.
00:17:27
Steve
she
00:17:31
Sammi
And the only like he had like laid a kernel right before. And then they came back and they're like, well, here's the bombshell. OK, Kat has been with this guy from back home.
00:17:43
Sammi
And she's smuggled in a laptop and she's sending him messages and we have the receipts. But here's the thing. Did we see the receipts?
00:17:52
Steve
We did not see the receipts.
00:17:53
Sammi
We did not see the receipts. And what do we know about reality TV?
00:17:57
Steve
Gotta have receipts.
00:17:58
Sammi
Got to have receipts. If it didn't, have if if it, if a camera didn't catch it, probably didn't happen.
00:18:04
Steve
Didn't happen.
00:18:05
Sammi
They would show it because it's good TV.
00:18:07
Steve
Yep.
00:18:08
Sammi
What is the incentive for not showing it?
00:18:08
Steve
Yep. Yeah. I mean, and there were rumors. We talked about this. There's like rumors swirling about this. ah
00:18:14
Sammi
like secret messages on her arms and stuff like that Yeah.
00:18:14
Steve
but
00:18:17
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But who knows?
00:18:19
Sammi
I don't know.
00:18:19
Steve
ah
00:18:19
Sammi
Yeah.
00:18:19
Steve
But but ah apparently, i mean, i don't I don't know if you want to talk about who's together still now or if you want to save that to the end.
00:18:25
Sammi
Yeah. No, we we can talk about it now. That's fine.
00:18:28
Steve
ah Dave and Kat. ah Dave?
00:18:31
Sammi
Dave?
00:18:31
Steve
he
00:18:31
Sammi
Who's Dave?
00:18:32
Steve
Who's Dave? Dale and Kat.
00:18:34
Sammi
That's North Dakota ah version of Dale is Dave. This is South Dakota.
00:18:39
Steve
Dale and Kat are still together.
00:18:41
Sammi
They are.
00:18:42
Steve
which is shocking because I don't know. He looks like an Easter Island statue. She's messy. What do you, who knew?
00:18:50
Sammi
Hey, good for them, I guess.
00:18:51
Steve
But here's the weird thing. And I doubt this was planned, but she's pregnant. So,
00:18:57
Sammi
Oh, I missed that part.
00:19:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:00
Sammi
Oh, wow, that's exciting.
00:19:01
Steve
And it was weird because it was like a classic, like they're still together, but in a bachelor kind of way thing. it's just like, well, they're splitting time between their two hometowns and they see each other when they can. And then whoopsie poopsie.
00:19:13
Sammi
I didn't know that.
00:19:13
Steve
She's pregnant.
00:19:14
Sammi
How did I miss that? Did that just come out?
00:19:16
Steve
Just came out. I just saw it today.
00:19:18
Sammi
I saw the hard launch, but wait... Or I saw like a message about, okay. Interesting. Interesting. Because I saw something about like, um like, because they were on like the vile files or whatever.
00:19:32
Sammi
um and I didn't think, yeah, they didn't talk about it on the vile files. And that was like two days ago. Wow.
00:19:39
Steve
Well...
00:19:41
Sammi
Or I don't think they talked about it. I mean, I just read the recap. Like I'm listening to the vile files. No. um Interesting. Well, OK, so what I heard is that are you sure that that's real?
00:19:55
Steve
I'm pretty sure...
00:19:56
Sammi
Where did this happen? I'm Googling it and I don't see it.
00:19:58
Steve
Uh, my, my friend, John sent me an article.
00:20:00
Sammi
Source, source, source.
00:20:02
Steve
Let me, hold on. I'll, I'll, I'll grab the article from, uh, from the Instagram message that he excitedly sent me.
00:20:11
Sammi
Okay, because, yeah, I want to hear it because I don't see it anywhere, and i I want to see it.
00:20:14
Steve
Okay. Hold on.
00:20:16
Sammi
I want to make sure that this is real, okay? Because I don't want to break some fake news on our podcast. I have journalistic integrity.
00:20:26
Steve
Okay.
00:20:26
Sammi
um Okay, as you look that up, I'll just chat a little bit. So the things that I heard about Cat and Dale were that, like, They talked about it. um Kat did admit that she was dating someone up until Bachelor in Paradise. Did not expect to fall for somebody. it Sounds like the relationship wasn't that great. Whatever. Dale was like, I'm okay with like, you know, we've talked about it. I'm okay with it. Whatever.
00:20:51
Sammi
um So those are the things that I heard. um And yeah, and this is this is my point, too. This is so this is like a Bachelor Nation article.
00:21:03
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:21:03
Sammi
um And she says um she said, so when so when did I sneak something in? And if we think that this show wouldn't take the time to show me playing on that iPad or laptop, I'm saying in general.
00:21:16
Sammi
They weren't trying to hide anything. So it's like, where is that? That's not a fair assumption to make that I was out here texting this man consistently. And I know for a fact that that's not what he said. And I know for a fact that he did not say we were in a relationship. relationship um The perception that I've heard and the argument that I believe is that someone said that like Sean...
00:21:36
Sammi
maybe felt like he was closer to Kat than he was, seemed like a little bit of an ego bruise thing and a way to like get back at her. I think that's plausible. um Who knows? But that's what I think. Okay. What did you find out?
00:21:49
Steve
Here's what I found out. ah The article that John sent me, it's a little dicey. Apparently, there's a picture of Kat and Dale, and people were just arguing in the comments because they thought that she was holding a pregnancy test.
00:22:06
Steve
ah However, to me, it looks like a vape. So...
00:22:09
Sammi
Oh, okay.
00:22:10
Steve
but But the headline is just like, Dale and Kat launch pregnancy, blah, blah, blah. And I just saw that. And I assumed that that John would send me a legitimate source. But obviously, as ah as a person who cares deeply about media literacy, I did not exercise checking my sources there.
00:22:28
Steve
And I apologize profusely.
00:22:29
Sammi
Yeah, as soon as you said that, I went, source, source, yeah.
00:22:33
Steve
who Not pregnant, which is good.
00:22:37
Sammi
Oh, my. Well, she would be good no matter what. OK, she can do whatever she wants.
00:22:41
Steve
It's fine. She do whatever she wants. I don't want Dale's baby.
00:22:43
Sammi
She can do it. She's an adult. She is.
00:22:45
Steve
there
00:22:46
Sammi
ah She she can do whatever she want. She wants. um But anyway, I didn't know she was a family nurse practitioner.
00:22:53
Steve
who
00:22:54
Sammi
Good for you, Kat. Good for you. um Anyway, the. ah
00:22:58
Steve
I am glad that we finally got a cat breakdown on the show because, you know, she'd...
00:22:59
Sammi
the
00:23:03
Sammi
That's true. That's true. Anyway. Okay. Sorry for spreading such spurious lies on our show.
00:23:08
Steve
Anus rumors! not sorry Blame John.
00:23:13
Sammi
I'm blaming you. I'm blaming you. Cause you brought, you brought, you sullied our show.
00:23:17
Steve
all All I did was trust my friend, which I'll never do again.
00:23:18
Sammi
Just kidding.
00:23:21
Sammi
Yeah. Never. Don't trust anybody.
00:23:22
Steve
Yeah. Don't trust anyone. This is paradise.
00:23:26
Sammi
Yeah. This is paradise.
00:23:26
Steve
I'm not here to make friends.
00:23:27
Sammi
It's cutthroat.
00:23:28
Steve
Don't trust anyone. $500,000 are on the line.
00:23:29
Sammi
There's a parliament or whatever. um
00:23:34
Sammi
So, yeah. So anyway, they do this physical challenge. Right. And i had a feeling that, yeah, that the yeah, that the it wasn't going to be Spencer and Jessica's come on, it would be way too easy.
00:23:50
Sammi
Right.
00:23:50
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:51
Sammi
If they could just slide right through all of this and and not, you know, make it through or whatever. so So they um they did not win. It was Alex and Andrew who won.
00:24:03
Sammi
Wait, and then we get to the final. Yeah, then we get to this parliament. Sorry, my brain is like all back.
00:24:08
Steve
yeah
00:24:08
Sammi
I swear to God, all I'm thinking about is like canvas pages. Okay, And order forms and meetings and emails and all that stuff. So sorry, everybody.
00:24:19
Sammi
i know what happened on this show. um Because it was so interesting. So I was paying very close attention.
00:24:24
Steve
ah compelling television.
00:24:26
Sammi
So, yeah. But, yeah, I just think the weight of the world thing, it was like, okay, I understand that it's like, well, you do have all strong couples here, so you're not going to do another couple challenge.
00:24:37
Sammi
But, like, what would you have done? Would you have done it any differently had there been, like, couples and just buds on the show? You know what i mean?
00:24:44
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:44
Sammi
Like, that's the thing. what It gets convoluted when you don't lay out the rules at the beginning. I understand why they dropped it on them. Cause it's like shocking, makes it interesting. There's a twist, whatever.
00:24:57
Sammi
But then it just muddies the waters on the finalists and on the challenges. And it just makes everything feel disorganized. so like, that's where the problem happens.
00:25:04
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:25:07
Sammi
Um, But yeah, I figure like Kat and Dale weren't going to make it to the final anyway. So it didn't surprise me that, you know, that they voted Jess and Spencer in. Like, first of all, they don't have anything to lose by doing that, because I think the thing that would have been interesting was.
00:25:29
Sammi
is if the final or if the people who had left came back and one of them had a chance to like in the final.
00:25:36
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:25:36
Sammi
That would have been way more interesting. like you get ah You get a second chance at making your case and coming back to life, and that would have been so much more interesting.
00:25:38
Steve
Yep.
00:25:47
Steve
Well, yeah. And then other other than Sean, like nobody talks shit or really did anything. They're just like, oh, let's have some drinks. Yay. My friends are here.
00:25:54
Sammi
Yeah.
00:25:55
Steve
That's not fun. That's not drama.
00:25:57
Sammi
Well, and that is I think it is fun when everyone's getting along. I think that's more fun. Like I really those are my favorite moments on Paradise is when everybody's getting along and just shooting the shit and doing goofy stuff like, you know, that like what that mouth do or whatever the hell Raven was playing a few years ago.
00:26:09
Steve
Yep.
00:26:13
Sammi
Like, you know, it's like just let them be goofy on the beach, play dolphins and all that stuff like, ah you know, Alexis was doing. Um, that's fun. But at the end, if you're going to make it dramatic, then yeah, everyone should be dramatic and everyone should bring it. And that's what I'm saying. It's just like, it's just muddy the whole time. It's just muddy.
00:26:32
Steve
you know
00:26:32
Sammi
um yeah, I have a note that says this episode is so unnecessarily wrong long. Like it could have been a one hour episode. It could have been an email. um And then they're like, OK, so then they get to the end.
00:26:45
Sammi
Right. And they're in the final two. And then it's like and we have another twist because the money isn't the prize. It's the final test, which is not a twist because we all knew it was coming.
00:26:54
Steve
Yeah, we figured.
00:26:55
Sammi
This is how these shows work. And so it's like, OK. And also they didn't actually verify if they both pick money, if they would both get money.
00:27:06
Steve
Yeah, that was, i assume they both did nothing if they both picked money.
00:27:07
Sammi
Because $500,000 was, well, but they always said $500,000. And the suitcase or the briefcase or whatever had $250,000.
00:27:12
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:27:16
Sammi
So I was like, could they both leave with money?
00:27:19
Steve
who
00:27:19
Sammi
Have half a million dollars and then date each other?
00:27:23
Steve
I guess maybe.
00:27:23
Sammi
That would have been the smartest outcome.
00:27:25
Steve
that would have been the smartest outcome. Yes.
00:27:26
Sammi
Because then they none of them would look like dicks and they'd have they would have a million dollars between the four of them.
00:27:31
Steve
they're all gamers They're not gamers, though. like There's nobody that's a gamer on this.
00:27:33
Sammi
Right. They're not thinking about it this way.
00:27:35
Steve
yeah that's That's why, if you're going to do this again, first of all, iron out all the crap here, because this is like it's way too hodgy-podgy.
00:27:35
Sammi
Yeah.
00:27:44
Steve
But you can have like a bros against couples situation, too.
00:27:48
Sammi
Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, imagine if an Aaron and James was like in the final, like that would be interesting.
00:27:53
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:27:55
Sammi
Like, you know, even yeah, even having friends or whatever, you know, like that um Faith brought Kathy on a date. It's like, yeah, you should be able to like choose anybody to be the person that you want to be in paradise with for the rest of the time.
00:28:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:08
Steve
But the only thing is, it's like Bachelor is so anti-homey. It's insane.
00:28:13
Sammi
Right. Right.
00:28:14
Steve
Like they, they want everything, like everyone on the show, they're just like, no, the couples that aren't madly in love with each other, they don't deserve the money. Why the fuck not? You got someone you're in love with.
00:28:23
Sammi
Right.
00:28:25
Steve
Can someone who didn't find love maybe have a hundred thousand dollars or something? That sounds great. What a wonderful consolation prize. Yeah.
00:28:32
Sammi
Right. But they are homophobic is the problem.
00:28:35
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:28:35
Sammi
So that's it.
00:28:36
Steve
Homophobic.
00:28:37
Sammi
That's the issue.
00:28:38
Steve
No buds on The Bachelor.
00:28:40
Sammi
Yeah. It's just so it's just like, come on, homophobic.
00:28:44
Steve
Can we trademark that? Homophobic?
00:28:48
Sammi
ah we did We just we just did.
00:28:48
Steve
I'm not here to make friends because it's frowned upon in Bachelor Nation.
00:28:52
Sammi
Because the bachelor nation is homophobic.
00:28:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:56
Sammi
Yeah. It's like every once in a while they're like, we have someone on the show who's by and a tiny thing will happen about it, but that's it.
00:29:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:04
Sammi
Um,
00:29:05
Steve
As close as you get. Mm-hmm.
00:29:06
Sammi
Yeah, they're like, you get one bi storyline every three years and that's it. no like Okay, that's fine. It's not fine. um But anyway, so okay, so Andrew and Alex, yeah, they choose love.
Prize Money Decisions and Commitment
00:29:21
Sammi
And like I said, they it's the only good way to play the game without getting vilified. They get $125,000. So it's not $250,000, but they don't walk away with nothing. And this is the most interesting part is that they decided to use it to pay off Alex's student loans.
00:29:37
Sammi
And good on you, Andrew. You must think that you're going to be in it for the long haul because that's a very kind thing to do.
00:29:39
Steve
Yeah, that's nice. Mm-hmm.
00:29:44
Sammi
That is a very kind thing to do as someone with student loans.
00:29:45
Steve
Agreed.
00:29:46
Sammi
Good job. Um, and then, um Spencer and Jess, they also obviously choose love. That would be very weird if they didn't. Um, they get $190,000, which is such a random number and, but good for them.
00:29:55
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:30:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:03
Sammi
They, they walked away with the most money. And of course, Spencer proposes. And I was a little surprised to have Jess say yes, um Oh, by the way, our predictions, like we yeah there's a clip of our predictions or my predictions posted on like social media and stuff.
00:30:19
Steve
you believe
00:30:21
Sammi
And someone was like, um, they actually showed that Spencer and Jess get engaged in the previews. And I was like, first of all, this was from last week.
00:30:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:30
Sammi
And secondly, that stuff is always misleading. You never know. You never know.
00:30:37
Steve
It's true. It's true.
00:30:38
Sammi
But like someone was trying to be like, um, I was like,
00:30:41
Steve
um Actually, Sammy, if you watch the previews that and you and you check closely, you can see Spencer getting down on one knee, thus indicating that he proposes to Jess. Shut up!
00:30:54
Steve
You nerd!
00:30:55
Sammi
We're just kidding. um
00:30:56
Steve
No, we love you. when Yeah.
00:30:57
Sammi
Yeah, thanks for watching our videos.
00:31:00
Steve
We're not homophobic. We love our buds.
00:31:02
Sammi
Yeah, we're not homophobic.
00:31:06
Sammi
ah But yeah, like it's the it's the only way you could end the show. Like, I mean, I didn't think there would be more than one engagement, but my prediction was like Bailey and Jeremy because of how much Bailey was defending, you know, Jeremy.
00:31:22
Sammi
So that was that was why I thought that.
00:31:22
Steve
who
00:31:24
Sammi
And I still think that that is a good reason to think that. And they are still together.
00:31:29
Steve
there you go uh so far uh all the may all the major final couples are are together still um also i checked it doesn't look like parisa and brian are together still although i can't confirm one way or the other uh but they don't yeah i well yeah because she doesn't well i mean she doesn't even follow brian on instagram so
00:31:31
Sammi
so
00:31:36
Sammi
Yeah.
00:31:42
Sammi
I thought Parisa had a new boyfriend.
00:31:49
Sammi
I heard i well, this is here. Here's my unverified whatever. ah Yeah, I heard she had a new boyfriend.
00:31:56
Steve
That was the rumor on the street. She had a new boyfriend, but like confirmed basically by the fact that her and Brian are following each other, which thank the Lord. um But yeah, everybody seems to be together still.
00:32:07
Steve
Jeremy and Bailey are still together. um ah Dale and and Kat still together. No child though, despite horrible rumors spread by who knows who.
00:32:17
Sammi
Yeah, really monstrous people. um Okay, yeah. So on Bachelor Happy Hour, which I did not listen to yet, Brian and Parisa were on there and they did confirm that they split up.
00:32:24
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:32:28
Steve
and Okay.
00:32:29
Sammi
Yeah, they were like, it was a good run.
00:32:29
Steve
Which, thank God.
00:32:31
Sammi
um Yeah.
00:32:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:33
Sammi
And it sounds like that they were being, they're friends still.
00:32:35
Steve
Good.
00:32:37
Sammi
um
00:32:37
Steve
Good.
00:32:38
Sammi
It was an amicable blow i am amrable split, um but also apparently awkward.
00:32:41
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:32:45
Sammi
That's what this is. I have not listened to it, like I said, but i maybe I will. Maybe I will. um ah Other big news, ah my Jillybox finally.
00:32:57
Sammi
finally cleared customs today.
00:33:00
Steve
Thank the Lord.
00:33:00
Sammi
Thank you. oh my God. But I do have bad news for you all. Wait, did I mention this last week?
00:33:04
Steve
You got to pay a tariff?
00:33:06
Sammi
Well, yeah. Did I mention this last week? This is the last jelly box.
00:33:09
Steve
the
00:33:10
Sammi
This is the last one.
00:33:11
Steve
Yeah. Basically, every small business that I know in Canada does isn't going to ship to America anymore.
00:33:19
Sammi
Yeah, they're not tripping here.
00:33:19
Steve
Like, yep.
00:33:22
Sammi
So um we will do a final like Jilly unboxing. um I don't know, probably next week. And we still have to do Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So um maybe we'll double up or I don't know, something like that.
00:33:34
Steve
Yeah.
00:33:34
Sammi
But... um
00:33:35
Steve
New season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives couple months away.
00:33:38
Sammi
Oh my God.
00:33:38
Steve
And there's Mormon dancing with the stars.
00:33:38
Sammi
I got to finish this season still. Oh yeah. I do want to cover that too. I do not want to miss that at all.
Subscription Changes and Unboxing
00:33:45
Sammi
um But yeah, I will say one thing is I, ah yeah, I'm very sad about the Jilly box, but I'm going to put it out there to our viewers and our listeners.
00:33:45
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:33:57
Sammi
If there is another like bachelor nation product that that you want me because in the past I've bought from like Raven has a clothing store.
00:34:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:34:08
Sammi
i bought some clothing from her.
00:34:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:34:09
Sammi
I still have one of the coats that I bought from her and like a and like a pajama set. um And those were both really cute. ah But I know that there's other Bachelor Nation people who like sell stuff like and run stores and stuff like that.
00:34:25
Sammi
If there's anybody you think has like good stuff that you want to see me like buy and review on the show, I'm happy to do it. um And hopefully like the Jillybox thing is not going to last forever. i know they're bummed about it. I'm bummed about it.
00:34:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:40
Sammi
um But hey, we'll have one more. but we'll ah you know We'll go out with a bang and then we'll see what we can do from there. um But yeah, I do. Yeah, I want to do more Mormon Wives.
00:34:53
Sammi
I want to do more books. um And then the new season starts in like a couple of weeks.
00:34:58
Steve
Yup.
00:34:59
Sammi
I was like, we're going to get a little bit of a break. No, we're not. gold But are we OK?
Boycotting The Golden Bachelor
00:35:04
Sammi
So that here's the thing. Are we going to watch The Golden Bachelor? I mean, I think we have to. Right. I know a bunch of people are boycotting it, but I feel like we I mean, even if we're hate watching it, we yeah will save you the view.
00:35:09
Steve
Yeah, we kind to have to.
00:35:14
Steve
yeah
00:35:15
Sammi
You don't have to. Here's the deal. Here's here's my pitch to you, podcast listeners and viewers. Okay, you want to protest the show. i think that's great.
00:35:26
Sammi
And if I was a regular, just a regular viewer, you know, a regular Joan, if you will, i would not watch the season of The Golden Bachelor because this guy sucks.
00:35:38
Steve
No, he sucks.
00:35:38
Sammi
But this is what you're going to do. This is what you do. when When you want to hate watch, right, but you don't want to give someone a view, don't want to give them the ratings, you want to give them anything, just tune in to our show. We'll cover it for you.
00:35:51
Sammi
You don't need to watch it.
00:35:53
Steve
There you go.
00:35:53
Sammi
Guilt-free.
00:35:55
Steve
That's the way to do it.
00:35:56
Sammi
Yeah.
00:35:56
Steve
That's way to do it.
00:35:57
Sammi
Yeah. It's sustainable in some way.
00:35:59
Steve
Yeah. And I love hate watching problematic media.
00:36:00
Sammi
It saves the planet somehow.
00:36:02
Steve
That's that's what I do best.
00:36:06
Steve
Not a problem.
00:36:07
Sammi
ah Yeah. So, well, anyway, well, that's my pitch. That's my pitch to you. um Anything else you want to talk about? Because I feel like there's nothing else to talk about on this episode.
00:36:16
Steve
No, there's there's really not.
00:36:17
Sammi
We should have done some kind of double feature today, but we didn't.
00:36:19
Steve
This was a, well, I mean, who knew? I didn't know it was going to be a wet fart of an episode until I watched it yesterday.
00:36:22
Sammi
Yeah, i was kind of a sinker. Good timing because it is, like I said, the first week of school.
00:36:25
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:36:27
Sammi
So my brain is, I feel like I say that every week. I'm like, my brain is gone for this reason. But like, this is a special new reason.
00:36:33
Steve
This is a special reason why my brain is fried.
00:36:34
Sammi
This is a new semester reason.
00:36:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:39
Sammi
Oh, OK.
00:36:39
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:36:41
Sammi
I'll give a quick movie recommendation to people because i just saw a great movie yesterday and it's not playing everywhere. But if you can find it by you, should watch it. And that is Lurker.
00:36:52
Sammi
You should go see Lurker.
00:36:52
Steve
Ooh, it's kind of...
00:36:53
Sammi
Did you see Lurker?
00:36:54
Steve
No, haven't seen it, but I've read a lot about it, and I've seen the little clips and trailer, and it looks really cool.
00:36:59
Sammi
Yeah, you should go see it if you can if if you can find it by you. um i know Mubi is releasing it here.
00:37:06
Steve
Okay.
00:37:07
Sammi
So if you have a Mubi subscription, you can also I'm guessing it's not there right now, but I'm guessing it'll be out in like a few weeks or something like that.
00:37:13
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:37:15
Sammi
That is usually what happens. Like that's what happened with the substance. It like played, you know, through Mubi. And then I think like three or four weeks later, like after it kind of had its run, then it came on.
00:37:26
Sammi
So, M-U-B-I, friends, if you're not on there, you should be because they have like the best movies and it's not that expensive. OK, so you shouldn't do that. Have you are you a Mubi subscriber?
00:37:38
Steve
I'm not a movie man, unfortunately.
00:37:39
Sammi
I feel like you of all people should have Mubi.
00:37:40
Steve
No, I know. Should be the movie guy. I know.
00:37:42
Sammi
It's like the best one.
00:37:43
Steve
I know.
00:37:44
Sammi
It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.
00:37:45
Steve
It really is good. Yeah, I should. But.
00:37:48
Sammi
Everyone, okay, here's your job. Between now and the next time we record, which will be our Jillybox episode and probably Jillybox Mormon Wives, I think that goes kind of well together.
00:37:58
Sammi
We're talking about consumerism a lot in Mormon Wives. I think that's good.
00:38:03
Steve
yup
00:38:03
Sammi
um Yeah, get a movie subscription, okay, and go watch some really good movies because they have some of the best movies. And that's all I have to say.
00:38:13
Steve
yup yeah why not put it on your to-do list yeah get the fuck out of here
00:38:14
Sammi
Oh, also, um you know, and everyone's getting sick right now, but you can go get vaccinated. So you should go do that. OK. And if and if you're an anti-vaxxer, why are you even listening?
00:38:24
Sammi
but so but have you not paid attention to us? Go public health is is is everybody is health for everybody. So go be healthy.
00:38:33
Steve
Yeah. And don't do needle drugs.
00:38:36
Sammi
Except for vaccines.
00:38:37
Steve
Except for facts that's not a needle drug, though.
00:38:38
Sammi
See, that's how I did it.
00:38:39
Steve
That's like a... That's fine. Good.
00:38:44
Sammi
That's a good kind of needle drug.
00:38:44
Steve
Oh. How fun was it watching RFK get dragged? That was so funny.
00:38:50
Sammi
I watch a lot of that live.
00:38:51
Steve
That was really good.
00:38:57
Steve
Suck a butt, RFK.