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Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Grant, Finale
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Nights like this don't come around too often! We are locked in and ready to talk about the Bachelor finale. How did we feel about Litia's parting words? What's our take on the upcoming Bachelor in Paradise season? Tune in to find out!
Some resources from the video: The Vulture article, attachment styles video, and Grant's guilty counts. Enjoy!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Theme
00:00:16
Sammi
Hello, I'm Sammy, and you're listening to or watching Rose Plate Special.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:24
Sammi
I realize I always say listening, and I'm like, some people are watching like ah the most dramatic, finale-ing-ist, high school crushing-ist, customer service voicing-ist recap podcast of The Bachelor ever.
00:00:39
Steve
Ever!
00:00:40
Sammi
I feel like I literally don't have anything to talk about except for like how good Latia did. She did such a good job. um
00:00:48
Steve
who
00:00:48
Sammi
Anyone who says she didn't is wrong and bad and should not be trusted till eternity. but The end.
00:00:55
Steve
yeah that's all wait hold on I gotta to turn on my space heater I don't want it to like make noise during the the podcast
00:00:55
Sammi
That's it. Shortest episode ever. Bye, everybody. Have a nice day. Just kidding.
00:01:07
Sammi
Oh, I can't hear it. I mean, if you want to, if you and your mink farm want to be comfortable, you can, um, you're like, PETA, don't come for me.
00:01:12
Steve
listen it's not a real mink farm animal lovers don't look at it Do not come. Look at this cute little, look at this cute fucker. Look at him.
00:01:19
Sammi
I know. How could you ever hurt a cute little all baby like that?
00:01:23
Steve
Yeah.
00:01:23
Sammi
There's no way.
00:01:23
Steve
Do you know, do you know where this is? The mink farm tavern. You see his little beers that he's got. He's holding his little tail. This is in ah scenic Cambridge, Wisconsin, population 1600.
00:01:33
Sammi
No.
00:01:34
Steve
Also a lovely record store. They're called strictly discs. And I'm going to, I'm going put them both over today.
00:01:38
Sammi
Oh. ah
00:01:41
Steve
I'm going to big thumbs up to the, the mink farm tavern and strictly discs.
00:01:45
Sammi
Man, that's like a missed opportunity to call your business strictly discly or something like that. But anyway, um i I need to issue a quick ah revision of last
Cultural and Creative Inspirations
00:01:55
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:01:55
Sammi
episode, a retraction, an apology.
00:01:59
Sammi
I'm so sorry. It'll never happen again. i did get ah this. Oh, my gosh. I'm just futzing with the packaging and I was trying to put it back together. It's not working. I did get this cheekbone stuff from Jelly.
00:02:12
Sammi
it It was just buried in all my stuff. Basically, my package arrived like the bugs themselves had grown up to 50 times our size and ate the outside of the package. And so there was like a letter in the package shoe that was like, if anything goes missing, ah please tell us, like check your inventory sheet and you can like file a report.
00:02:31
Sammi
You know, we always try to make sure all packaging arrives safe without any damage. But, you know, things happen. So that was what it was. But here here it is. Very nice.
00:02:40
Steve
love it
00:02:41
Sammi
So thank you. um And again, okay. It doesn't matter what time of the podcast I do this. This always ends up but ah as an automatic thumbnail, but I'm so excited about my nails. I don't even give a fuck. Okay. Look at what we did.
00:02:52
Sammi
Hold on. Can you see that?
00:02:54
Steve
whoa what
00:02:54
Sammi
Wait, hold on. Calcifer. Can you tell that's calcifer? Hold on. Jesus Christ. I can't do it.
00:03:01
Steve
Autofocus.
00:03:02
Sammi
It's calcifer. Okay. And then I've got soot sprites on this finger. You can't even tell that either. But anyway, you'll have to take my word for it. I was very excited about this.
00:03:10
Steve
It's good.
00:03:12
Sammi
it's um Back in ah you know the old city I was in, ah we used to do Miyazaki March at one of the theaters. And I tried to watch as many Miyazaki movies as possible.
00:03:23
Sammi
And you know what's amazing? So was like, let's do it for Miyazaki March. And then I heard about all this like chat GPT Miyazaki bullshit.
00:03:29
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:03:29
Sammi
And I'm like, wow, this is so timely. And apparently Princess Mononoke is playing near me at like an IMAX or something. So i was like,
00:03:35
Steve
boom
00:03:36
Sammi
Maybe I got to go because like if anybody hates Chad GPT, it's Princess Mononoke. That's for damn sure.
00:03:41
Steve
I think so. For damn sure.
00:03:43
Sammi
um But I did tell my nail tech about your idea about the Stations of the Cross.
00:03:49
Steve
who
00:03:49
Sammi
And she like ran out of air.
00:03:50
Steve
What you think?
00:03:53
Sammi
And
00:03:55
Sammi
and she goes, she goes, oh, we'll probably have to incorporate your toes if we do that.
00:04:00
Steve
It's true. i don't I don't actually know
Humor in Culinary and Personal Stories
00:04:02
Steve
how many stations there are, but the idea of like for Easter, getting the stations across.
00:04:02
Sammi
I know. I think there is like a lot. Yeah. I'm just like, oh my gosh. So, yeah.
00:04:11
Steve
Hey, you know, if she's she sounds like she's on board, that's why why not? It's a good challenge.
00:04:16
Sammi
Oh my God. um So, yeah. So anyway, we'll see what happens. we I might just do a little Robin's egg moment though for April. That's what we're thinking.
00:04:26
Steve
I think that's okay.
00:04:27
Sammi
Yeah. Also, okay. This is another Jesus thing. We talk about Jesus a lot. Yeah.
00:04:32
Steve
Love that guy
00:04:33
Sammi
Well, you know, it's just it brings it out like The Bachelor. It brings out that like puritanical, you know, yeah, ah Christian vibe.
00:04:36
Steve
Mm-hmm. Oh, absolutely.
00:04:40
Sammi
But um i I watched this instructional video where they were making um ah Rice Krispie Treats and they had Peeps as the base.
00:04:53
Sammi
And I was like, this is promising. I like this.
00:04:55
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:04:56
Sammi
Except they used every color peep. So then it came out kind of gray looking, you know.
00:05:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:05:04
Sammi
um so I was like, not great. Maybe I would have just picked a color and, you know, just done all pink or something like that. And then instead of the Rice Krispies, they used communion wafers.
00:05:16
Steve
Oh, God. Where do you just buy those? Do you like go to like a Catholic bookstore and just...
00:05:22
Sammi
Well, I will say we do own communion wifers in our home.
00:05:22
Steve
like
00:05:25
Steve
can Can you Amazon communion waivers?
00:05:28
Sammi
I don't know where he got it. I don't know where half the stuff Tuck got from this house.
00:05:33
Steve
who
00:05:33
Sammi
I mean, I did make one of my first TikTok series ever was like ah stuff my partner owns that I didn't know he owned until we started moving. I did like an eight part series because he had that many random things like, you know, a poster of David Copperfield and a Windows 95 box and, you know, like all kinds of stuff.
00:05:47
Steve
and Of course.
00:05:49
Sammi
um So this is one of those things that he didn't get rid of. um ah He's had this like container of communion wafers since i since we've been dating, since we started dating.
00:06:00
Steve
oh
00:06:00
Sammi
I mean, so I don't know how long he had it before that, but it's like every year or so or every six months, he'll like take one out and eat it.
00:06:10
Steve
wonder if they ever go bad, because they're basically like styrofoam.
00:06:12
Sammi
I know. Well, they're made out of rice, right? So that's like part of the Rice Krispie Treat thing.
00:06:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:18
Sammi
But they they're so flat. the The thing that is created is so weird. And then they also like cut out these crosses. They made them into like little cross shaped Rice Krispie Treats with communion wafers.
00:06:32
Steve
God.
00:06:34
Sammi
And I was like, it was so weird and sad. Anyway, so I just had to share that story since we're, it's Lenten season.
00:06:40
Steve
Hey, big news on the Steve front.
00:06:41
Sammi
um
00:06:44
Sammi
Yeah.
00:06:45
Steve
I have, ah you know, I say a lot of stupid things and normally they just kind of fall into the black hole of the internet.
Engagement with Bachelor Contestants
00:06:51
Steve
ah But you may recall that, but you know, just like a week or two ago, I may or may not have said when discussing the final contestants on this season of the bachelor, ah that Zoe was simply so hot that if she looked me in the eye in public, I would poop my pants and And that she was in the finals, not because she had spent quality time with Grant, but because she was simply very hot.
00:07:17
Steve
Now, that's not to say that she's not a very smart, capable, strong woman. Let me emphasize that. I was just, you know, sort of relaying how she has been presented on the show.
00:07:28
Steve
ah Zoe was quick to jump into the comment section of a TikTok video.
00:07:35
Steve
And remind me that she is a college graduate. She's an educated woman. There's so much more to her that we didn't see because the cameras weren't rolling and they it wasn't edited in.
00:07:47
Steve
And I'm sorry, but I would still poop my pants if you looked at me, lady. So...
00:07:52
Sammi
Okay, well, this is getting clipped too.
00:07:53
Steve
ha ha ha
00:07:54
Sammi
ah so be this is the This is the revision. ah
00:07:57
Steve
and
00:07:57
Sammi
Zoe, if you still want anything to do with us, I would love for you to weigh in in the comments again. ah but So that's your apology or your formal...
00:08:06
Steve
That's my apology.
00:08:07
Sammi
yeah you're four
00:08:07
Steve
I'm sorry, man
00:08:08
Sammi
We both had to apologize for things this week, except for me, it was just, it was just, oh, sorry, Jilly, I didn't see this. And you you, I couldn't believe it. So like, so, so we've got an amazing, illustrious assistant who puts together great clips for us and does a lot of the engagement.
00:08:24
Sammi
And, you know, I'll jump in on ah TikTok. I don't really look at Instagram. I'll pop onto YouTube every once in a while. But she's kind of there making sure, like, if there's conversation happening, that we keep the conversation going, that we ask questions, you know.
00:08:37
Sammi
And i'm I'm kind of like, I'm sending her like TikTok videos. I'm like, this is cool. Like, I think you should check this out. Like, this is really great. and And if you want us to like name drop you, we will. But I don't know if you want to be exposed like that.
00:08:50
Sammi
Um, so, but anyway, so like, so she does all that kind of legwork and she texted me and she was like, look at this. And I was like, what?
00:08:58
Steve
Well, then you text me and you're like, oh, Zoe weighed in in the comments. I'm yeah, what's she doing? And then you're like, no, really? Yeah.
00:09:05
Sammi
Yeah, I wasn't kidding.
00:09:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:09:06
Sammi
Like, I think, yeah, I think you thought I was kidding. I was like, um so Zoe saw that video ah where you talked about that you'd swallow yourself and you're like, ah, ha, ha.
00:09:09
Steve
yeah
00:09:14
Sammi
And I was like, no, really? She did.
00:09:17
Steve
It's good. It's good.
00:09:18
Sammi
That was like, the I mean, we've had like, um like Joan, the golden bachelorette liked one of our stories or something like that. And I think john Jonathan liked a video we did maybe commented. I can't remember.
00:09:30
Sammi
um And I've, I've had like commented back and forth with like Tammy from way, way long ago, but like, that's kind of it. And then I messaged, oh my gosh, what was her
Latia's Journey and Relationship Dynamics
00:09:39
Sammi
name? It wasn't Marina.
00:09:40
Sammi
It was something really similar about her website, having the wrong links on the, in the footer.
00:09:44
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:09:45
Sammi
And she was like, I'll fix that. And then she never did. um Which is fine, girl. ah But anyway, so ah yeah, so that's like that's like about as far as like it's ever gotten, you know, like pretty minor stuff.
00:09:59
Sammi
But someone like tag Zoe, I'm guessing it's like a friend of hers or something who saw it. And and yeah, she she was like crying, laughing emoji and then was like, I'll have, you know, and we're like, oh, God.
00:10:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:12
Sammi
We are JK-ing, okay?
00:10:12
Steve
This is good.
00:10:14
Sammi
We JK about a lot of things.
00:10:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:10:16
Sammi
And just like, you know, it's like, that's the thing. We have full awareness that the show shows us like a very small portion of like who someone is, which is why when they name like a bachelorette, not always a bachelor, but when they name a bachelorette we and we go...
00:10:30
Sammi
why her? And then we see like the full season and we go, Oh, she's great.
00:10:31
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:33
Sammi
Okay. We get it.
00:10:34
Steve
Yep.
00:10:34
Sammi
um That's common with bachelorettes, not so much with bachelors. So it's one of those things that we're fully aware that we don't see the full person. That's why paradise is so great because then we can see more of someone's personality.
00:10:43
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:10:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:10:46
Sammi
So anyway, ah But yeah, I thought that was very funny. I'm glad you who mentioned that right up at the front because I literally almost forgot that that happened um because it wasn't my embarrassment. You know, I just said nice things.
00:10:56
Steve
oh
00:10:58
Sammi
And and I said, i was like, I don't think we should go that far.
00:10:59
Steve
Yeah. i'm I'm the embarrassing one constantly putting his foot in his mouth.
00:11:03
Sammi
I was like just talking to my mom about this. ah to like yesterday or something like that on the way to get my nails done. I was like, you know, or on the way home, I was like, you know, i told, I told her that this happened and I was like, well, you know, that's our dynamic.
00:11:15
Sammi
Like Steve takes it too far and then I pull it back.
00:11:17
Steve
You walk it back. Yeah.
00:11:17
Sammi
ah we do
00:11:19
Steve
It's perfect.
00:11:19
Sammi
It's balance. It's balance. You know, that's why it works.
00:11:21
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:11:22
Sammi
um But anyway, so, okay. So I don't really have a lot to say about like these final dates or anything like this, because I think it's really like the end, the end that's worth talking about.
00:11:34
Steve
Oh, the the dates are nothing.
00:11:34
Sammi
Um,
00:11:35
Steve
It's like, except Latia gets the worst date ever.
00:11:36
Sammi
Yeah.
00:11:38
Steve
It's like, hey, do you want to ride a horse? No, I don't. In the pouring rain? Absolutely not. And then just kind of like sit around?
00:11:45
Sammi
Right.
00:11:47
Steve
Nah, not interested. So, but she was like, it was perfect.
00:11:49
Sammi
And she's like, well, I'll.
00:11:50
Steve
I loved everything. Yeah.
00:11:52
Sammi
Right. Because she's like, it's going to be us at the end. So like, so I feel totally great about what's happening because it's because, oh, that'll be a funny story to tell in the future.
00:11:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:03
Steve
Yes, to our nine children.
00:12:03
Sammi
Won't it be so funny?
00:12:04
Steve
My ovaries are...
00:12:05
Sammi
Yes.
00:12:06
Steve
I've named my ovaries.
00:12:08
Sammi
Anyway. ah Yeah, she is ready.
00:12:10
Steve
She's ready! No one has ever been more ready for children.
00:12:13
Sammi
No, she is very ready. She's very serious. And that's the thing.
00:12:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:17
Sammi
It's like, and like, we can see that she didn't pull any punches. She was like, this is, this is what I'm ready for, which is why i was like, this isn't going to work because they're on two different paths.
00:12:22
Steve
who
00:12:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:30
Sammi
But had I known how reassuring he was, don't know. I mean, i would have understood exactly why she was like coming in so hot, you know, like it makes perfect sense when she talked about it.
00:12:40
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:12:42
Sammi
I'm like, yeah, I, I get where you're going, but I do want to talk quickly about some of like the weird, like side things that they did during the show. Cause they were like, cause I thought they were going to be like, here's a panel of all the men who fucked up ah and let's bring them up.
00:12:51
Steve
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:12:57
Sammi
And I was like, I was waiting for like Brad to show up and stuff.
00:13:00
Sammi
And then they were like, no, we're going to have charity Clayton and Garrett. And I was like,
00:13:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:05
Steve
Yeah, great.
00:13:05
Sammi
Okay.
00:13:06
Steve
Yeah, let's bring let's bring Clayton up there.
00:13:07
Sammi
Garrett, Gary.
00:13:08
Steve
Gary.
00:13:09
Sammi
this my my My auto corrected to Garrett, but it should say Gary.
00:13:13
Steve
Gary.
00:13:13
Sammi
Anyway, it was Kermie. But anyway, I was like, this is such an odd selection of people because it was like, first of all, Charity didn't do anything wrong ah because she's not capable of doing anything wrong because she's perfect.
00:13:24
Steve
Mm-mm.
00:13:27
Sammi
Thank you.
00:13:27
Steve
Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
00:13:28
Sammi
So moving on. So I was like, why why is she even sharing air with these two men? And listen, I have a lot of empathy for Clayton because holy shit, what he's been through is so weird and exhausting.
00:13:41
Sammi
Poor guy.
00:13:42
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:13:42
Sammi
he did not handle his season well, but nobody deserves the weird bullshit that he's been going through where he had to like go to court and be like, yeah, so there's like no kid.
00:13:44
Steve
No.
00:13:53
Sammi
um But I'm being asked to like pay child support for like a kid that doesn't exist. So, I mean, it was like the weirdest, most terrible thing, you know,
00:14:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:03
Sammi
But it was just it was such a weird segment because I thought at first they were going to maybe like actually do something interesting and be like, OK, here are all the men who said I love you too soon to multiple women.
00:14:09
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:14:14
Sammi
And then it was like, here's just kind of a mix of people who and only one of them made that mistake.
00:14:14
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:20
Steve
Yeah, I did not understand this mix at all. It's like, who was available and were they just like, yeah, if the check clears, I'm down. Like what?
00:14:29
Sammi
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they're like, well, we know Charity's not going to say anything like weird or embarrassing.
00:14:34
Steve
No.
00:14:34
Sammi
And Clayton's been through a lot, so let's give him a little bit of redemption. And The Golden Bachelor was kind of like ah you know a mess at the end. And like Joan is great, and she's you know redeeming the Golden franchise.
00:14:46
Sammi
But let's have him come up and, in case we have him do anything in Paradise or in the future, let's have him like give a little talk. I don't know. it was just weird. It was just felt like... Like, yeah, it just felt like weird, like adding polish to people. i don't know.
00:14:59
Sammi
It was a strange segment. um But yeah, they said a whole lot of nothing, too. And then the other thing that was interesting is it was like they were giving advice on a live show like like Grant could apply it in real time.
00:15:14
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:15
Sammi
It was very weird. I'm like, what?
00:15:16
Steve
It's very strange.
00:15:16
Sammi
Who is this for? This isn't for anyone. It's not like you told him this on the show.
00:15:21
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:15:21
Sammi
You're telling him this months after he already made a decision, presumably, as long as it wasn't one of those like weird seasons where, you know, he made a decision at the actual last minute, which has happened. So,
00:15:33
Sammi
Anyway, it was weird. So then, yeah. So, um, oh, I just said, I knew it would be Juliana. Why did we have to waste all that time saying nothing? Cause there was all this like, oh yeah, his dad comes out and there's a pep talk and Grant's so torn and all this stuff.
00:15:50
Sammi
And, and then like things get stormy outside. They get to like the very end and things are stormy and Latia looks amazing.
00:16:02
Steve
She does.
00:16:02
Sammi
But I'm like, oh my gosh, it's spooky outside. And ah yeah, so like, yeah, she goes for, and a lot of people are talking about this where they they said like, oh, she had a customer service voice and she dropped it. That was really funny.
00:16:15
Sammi
But you know, it's like, I will say anybody who is like critical of Latia's like switch up, you wouldn't like the way I act when, yeah, I'm not going to give you any grace. Okay. You treat me like shit.
00:16:28
Sammi
You dump me. You would like, yeah, I'm not going to be all cutesy with you. Okay. I can be adorable. I can be really fucking adorable, but if you treat me badly, yeah, all of that grace is gone. I'm not being nice to you at all.
00:16:44
Sammi
Like why?
00:16:44
Steve
I just i love the switch honestly because the whole time she's like yes babies I love you pick me she literally says pick me at one point and then he's just like baby listen I've been thinking about it and it's not you and she's just like what the fuck did you say it's amazing yeah
00:16:48
Sammi
it was artful.
00:16:55
Sammi
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. yeah and she's so And she's like, when did it change?
00:17:06
Sammi
And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, this is this is good.
00:17:06
Steve
When did it change? I know.
00:17:10
Sammi
This is good.
00:17:11
Steve
I felt like I was going to die.
00:17:11
Sammi
Yeah.
00:17:12
Steve
And you could see him just crumbling, like emotionally, spiritually, just.
00:17:14
Sammi
She, I mean, she really, and I mean, she kept it calm too. She was like very like stoic and very calm.
00:17:18
Steve
No.
00:17:22
Sammi
I think anyone who's saying like aggressive or whatever sounds kind of like real aggressive to me, but anyway, um but she was just very like stern and like, yeah, it's like, and the door is closed and I'm not being nice to you anymore.
00:17:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:35
Sammi
And I have totally done the same thing with a far, less tact than she had. So, um like, maybe I said one time, like, I'm a great catch and I'm not going to be single for long.
00:17:48
Sammi
And you fucked up. Like, you know what i mean? So, like, And it was true. it was true, too. um But you know what I mean? Like, I was just like, this is amazing. The come on now is we're really interesting.
00:18:00
Sammi
um It's like it's like ah she just flipped into like this automatic like mode where, yeah, it's like this is what it looks like when your walls are up.
00:18:00
Steve
No.
00:18:10
Sammi
OK, we always talk about walls up, walls down, walls are up. Fort Knox. Okay. No one's getting in
00:18:17
Steve
no
00:18:17
Sammi
She's done. And, and even, I mean, she had some really snappy one-liners in there too.
00:18:22
Steve
I panicked. I was panicking. I don't even like Grant, and I panicked. I was just like, dude, say, ha ha, just kidding, and just like take her back real quick, and then worry about it later, because this is bad.
00:18:34
Sammi
Yeah.
00:18:35
Steve
It's real bad for him.
00:18:35
Sammi
um When she said, when she said like, um, like you're different than I thought. Oh, Oh, God.
00:18:43
Steve
Yeah, that's not good.
00:18:44
Sammi
oh and he didn't know what to say to that. He was like sputtering. He was like, I, I, and I was like, I need to. Yeah. It's like, you know, um I don't know if you're a fan of if you've ever watched Kyle Pru's videos, ah things you can say like ah to piss off men there.
00:18:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:03
Sammi
It's one of my favorite series on the Internet. And i hope that. Kyle, if you're watching this, I think it would be really good for you to add some of the things Latia said to ah things you can say to piss off men like special edition video because i really that's the crossover we need right now.
00:19:22
Sammi
i think it would heal a lot of people.
00:19:22
Steve
yeah
00:19:24
Sammi
um But, you know, he'll say things like, oh, gosh, I wish I had some of them like in my in my pocket. Like, you know, that it's like, you know, you look like someone who's had a lot of allergies or something like that, you know.
00:19:36
Steve
ah
00:19:37
Sammi
Like someone, you know, they'll they'll say something like, I don't know.
00:19:37
Steve
Kind of do.
00:19:41
Sammi
Gosh, I'm trying to remember. They'll say something about like a video game they play that's like really serious and tough, you know, and you go, oh, is that like a Pokemon or something?
00:19:47
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:19:49
Sammi
You know what i mean? Like shit like that. um But yeah, things you can say to piss off men like it wasn't even like things you can say to piss off men, but it's like ah to like emasculate, you know, and and bring and and cut a guy down to size because, yeah, you're different than I thought.
00:20:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:20:06
Sammi
And when he's like, well, it's not about me. And she's like, it's all about you. Like, what do you mean? You know? um
00:20:11
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:20:12
Sammi
and And just to be like, listen, I'm, you know, I love Juliana and I'm happy for her. And obviously you made the right decision. And, you know, it was kind of like, you're going to treat me like this, yeah, I don't want you anyway.
00:20:24
Sammi
Like I've already discarded you in my mind.
00:20:25
Steve
yeah
00:20:28
Sammi
And first, I mean, the way that she did it was much more effective. Like I know I talked about like Nick on Andy season, you know,
00:20:39
Sammi
and Even though it could have been a similar situation, who's to say, um you know, like Nick's grievances, the way that Latia framed it like at the, you know, final rose and after was much more effectively carried out.
00:21:01
Steve
Yep.
00:21:01
Sammi
She just really like, I don't know, like she really knew what to do. She also had like all of the points in her head. And i watched I saw like someone I got to see if I can find that again. It was like count one guilty. Count two guilty. i take um Of all they're like, this is when he said this. This is when he said this is when he said this. All the things that she said, like they found like little clips, I guess, and put them together in a video to be like guilty, guilty, guilty.
00:21:29
Steve
yeah
00:21:29
Sammi
And yeah, I mean, you know, it's like we know that people say big things, big, significant things on the show. But also, I think you have to know your audience.
00:21:42
Sammi
And i unless you just like don't know anything about Mormons or like ah or know anything about serious women. I don't know. um It just sounds very like love bombing to do that kind of stuff.
00:21:55
Sammi
Do you know what i mean?
00:21:57
Steve
Yeah, yeah. I, geez. My big takeaway from this is and it's something that we've been kind of talking about for, I don't know, since the beginning of the season is Grant doesn't completely get it.
00:22:12
Steve
And as viewers, I think we had trouble understanding who he really liked versus who we thought he really liked.
00:22:12
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:21
Steve
Yeah. And this came up with other girls, too, where even on camera, he would reassure them, you got nothing to worry about. You're great. I like you.
00:22:32
Steve
Everything's fine. And then all of a sudden, rose ceremony, they don't get a rose. You're like, what? What happened? And i like he was doing this throughout the season.
00:22:43
Steve
So I'm not shocked
Contestant Experiences and Emotional Stakes
00:22:45
Steve
that off camera he was telling these final two women very similar things that were very reassuring and made them think like you're it.
00:22:45
Sammi
Yeah.
00:22:54
Steve
This is it. That's all there is to it. um But I had trouble like the why of it all. Right. Like how how does he get it in his head that you can say these things on or off camera to the same two women and that you're not going to have a problem when you make the final selection?
00:23:03
Sammi
Right.
00:23:13
Sammi
Yeah.
00:23:13
Steve
And there the cool thing about the Internet is there's a lot of people who are a lot stupider than me, but there's also a lot of people are a lot smarter than me. And one of those people is Ali Barthwell, who's been writing about TV for like a decade.
00:23:24
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:23:26
Steve
And she writes about The Bachelor for Vulture. I think most of the time it's her and some other woman has done some stuff in the past, too. But she gets to a very important point, which is this.
00:23:40
Steve
Grant didn't make it to hometowns. Okay. He was not like a serious contender. And when you have seasons where someone isn't a serious contender, especially if they're a man, they do not understand the emotional stakes and how invested these people get.
00:23:47
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:23:58
Sammi
oh Oh.
00:23:59
Steve
And the way she described it is she was like, yeah, if you're like a Colton or a Clayton or a Matt James or a Grant, you're Like you had a good time. You like the girl.
00:24:10
Steve
You went home. ah You probably got over it pretty quickly and you probably got some like thirsty DMS on Instagram. And you're like, that's not so bad. But when do you get this far in.
00:24:20
Sammi
Yeah.
00:24:23
Steve
And on top of that, you have the added layer of being like someone like Latia, who is very like just dedicated the idea of I want a husband. I want to have kids. It's like a religious thing for her. It's in her core.
00:24:37
Steve
It gets really bad really quickly. So and that is the best thing that I've read that kind of explains this phenomenon of why he was behaving the way that he has been on this season.
00:24:39
Sammi
Yeah.
00:24:48
Steve
Like that just hits the nail on the head for me.
00:24:50
Sammi
I think, yeah, I think that's a really good take. That's a really insightful take. I think that makes a lot of sense based on who we've seen get really far and how they handle it.
00:25:01
Sammi
I mean, i will say i think Joey is a very different type of guy than Grant. So I don't think it's just because Joey got as far as he did. Yeah.
00:25:10
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:11
Sammi
I think he would have handled it the same regardless, you know, but I do think, um yeah, I feel like he really walked that line far and he was in the top two, right?
00:25:11
Steve
Oh, for sure. Mm-hmm.
00:25:25
Sammi
Yeah. I'm like, I always forget every season.
00:25:26
Steve
It was...
00:25:28
Sammi
I'm like, how far? Yeah. Really far. is Top two. Yeah.
00:25:31
Steve
Yeah. Joey got really far. Yeah.
00:25:32
Sammi
Yeah.
00:25:34
Steve
So, yeah.
00:25:34
Sammi
Oh, I thought you were going to say something. Yeah.
00:25:36
Steve
No, no. I was just saying, and I think it it seems to affect the men more than it affects the women, but there still is like, you can tell on seasons where you're like, why are things kind of weird at certain points, especially when you get deeper in um Katie Thurston.
00:25:41
Sammi
Yeah.
00:25:50
Steve
I love Katie, but she, you know, she struggled with some stuff. Jen season was like, I felt bad for her the whole time,
00:25:58
Sammi
yeah
00:25:58
Steve
but yeah It's just it's difficult when you don't get that deep. And not only do we as an audience not know much about you, but you don't understand the full process and the full depth and breadth of what you are getting into.
00:26:12
Steve
And some people handle that better than others. So, you know.
00:26:15
Sammi
Yeah, totally fair. Yeah, that makes sense. um Oh, we have to talk about Katie, though. Did you hear what's going on with Katie? It's really sad.
00:26:21
Steve
No, what's going on with Katie?
00:26:22
Sammi
um Well, so Katie has cancer.
00:26:25
Steve
What the fuck?
00:26:25
Sammi
um Yeah. um And it's like it's breast cancer, but they just found like a spot in her liver, i think.
00:26:32
Steve
That's
00:26:33
Sammi
um Yeah, it's really it's really fucked up. um I really and Katie is one of my favorites.
00:26:36
Steve
terrible.
00:26:38
Sammi
I think people who've listened to the show long enough know know that. And yeah, they say it's like stage four.
00:26:44
Steve
Jesus.
00:26:45
Sammi
Um, really scary. I've read some other things that it's like the best kind of stage four you can have or whatever, but I don't care. Like that's scary regardless.
00:26:55
Steve
No, I don't. How about no stage four? That would be my preferred kind.
00:26:58
Sammi
Yeah. How about just no stages at all?
00:27:00
Steve
Zero stages. Yeah.
00:27:01
Sammi
Yeah. I don't like it.
00:27:02
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:27:03
Sammi
Uh, it's really scary. It's, it's not cool. Um, and, uh, yeah. So, Uh, but yeah, I would, I only want good things for Katie always.
00:27:14
Sammi
Um, so she, but she's got a really good guy by her side, which is, well, at least, uh, let's hope, uh, no, he seems really solid. Uh, there it's a comedian, a fellow comedian and, uh,
00:27:29
Sammi
They were planning a wedding and then they had to put everything on hold. And so they had a little wedding. um and And one of the reasons I watched an interview, one of the reasons he wanted to do it is he said, um I want to be like, my wife is in that room, you know, and and and he's like, and that's just so much more meaningful to me and like feels more powerful and.
00:27:49
Steve
yeah
00:27:49
Sammi
and i want I want her to know that I'm here through it all. So um yeah, I don't know. Anyway, I just ah send some good vibes, thoughts, whatever to Katie's way because that is really, really scary.
00:28:02
Sammi
And um yeah, and she's obviously handling it awesome because she's awesome.
00:28:02
Steve
yeah ah
00:28:06
Sammi
and But that's like really fucked up and scary. Anyway, not to bring down the room, i you just mentioned Katie and I was like, i don't want to forget to bring up uh, this news with Katie, I have like, uh, more, uh, exciting, salacious stuff to talk about, but that's like the unfun thing to talk about.
00:28:23
Sammi
Um, but yeah, I totally agree with you. I think, I think hometowns does reshape, uh, your approach and I do think they should have people who've been on the show for a little bit farther in, in the journey, um, to, to engage on that level.
00:28:30
Steve
who
00:28:39
Sammi
And I do think it will help the men the most. Yeah. that Those are all things that I think are true.
00:28:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:46
Steve
Yep.
00:28:47
Sammi
um But yeah, like I also think someone someone in production should have let Grant have access to the internet to understand Mormons a little bit better.
00:28:58
Sammi
That's a little...
00:28:58
Steve
Yeah, he should have been a allowed to Google Mormon.
00:29:00
Sammi
Yeah, like he just needs to know because this isn't, you know, I mean, that's the thing. It's like that's what I'm saying. Consider your audience. Like there are the different people are going to receive that in a different way. I don't think it's a kind thing to do to anybody.
00:29:15
Sammi
i think there is a way that you can walk that line without um hurting somebody. I mean, you know, i there was like a they did.
00:29:20
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:29:24
Sammi
Was it on the show or did I just watch it right after the show? I don't remember. But, you know, like the the scene where Daisy is like talking to Joey and she's like, I know you're not going to pick me. Right. You know, it's like um he did. i mean, as far as I know, it didn't seem like he.
00:29:43
Sammi
said too much and I haven't heard anything to the contrary. And obviously she knew well enough to know that it wasn't going to be her. Like she was picking up on enough to know like, okay, we're making it through this whole thing and it's not going to be me. And, you know, and that's okay.
00:29:58
Sammi
Um, so that to me reads like, well, if, if you get to the very end and you have a feeling it's not you, that probably means that the bachelor bachelorette did the right thing.
00:29:58
Steve
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:30:11
Sammi
You know, it's not a fun feeling, but, um, they didn't over promise and under deliver for you.
00:30:13
Steve
yeah
00:30:18
Sammi
so You know, that was that was something that I found interesting to to reflect on as well. But anyway, um yeah, I don't have a lot of notes on this whole thing outside of I mean, yeah, it's like you could go through Latia's response line by line and and ah write a paper about it because it was so good.
00:30:40
Sammi
um
00:30:40
Steve
Ooh, yeah.
00:30:42
Sammi
And yeah, yeah. And then this was really interesting, too. So then we get in the studio and Latia says things like, well, she loved the parts of Grant that he chose to show her.
00:30:54
Steve
yeah
00:30:54
Sammi
And she thinks that he made the right choice. And here was the other fucked up thing. She had food poisoning through all of this.
00:31:03
Steve
Are you serious?
00:31:04
Sammi
You missed that?
00:31:05
Steve
Oh, no.
00:31:06
Sammi
she
00:31:06
Steve
i I knew, i thought she, like, I remember her mentioning something about not feeling well or something like that. But no, I didn't.
00:31:14
Sammi
Yeah, she mentioned that.
00:31:15
Steve
know Yeah.
00:31:15
Sammi
Yeah, so she she had so she had food poisoning like during this whole thing.
00:31:20
Steve
Okay, so this is the problem when I'm drinking like three bottles of wine and eating a bunch of cheese.
00:31:21
Sammi
So like,
00:31:24
Sammi
Yeah, no, but this was the thing.
00:31:24
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:25
Sammi
I feel like I haven't seen a lot of people mention this and they're all being like, well, why was she so rude or so but she didn't have to be so nasty or whatever? You know, all that weird.
00:31:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:35
Sammi
Yeah, microaggressive stuff.
00:31:35
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:36
Sammi
But OK, can you imagine? Can you imagine this guy tells you like, I love you. It's going to be you.
Grant's Relationship Decisions
00:31:43
Sammi
I'm picking you. It's called you as what I could see her as my wife. I think I should just pack up right now and everybody should leave because I think it's going to be me and her at the end of this, like all that stuff.
00:31:54
Sammi
and And you have no reason to believe that that's not what's going to happen. and And then you say, I'm so excited to get engaged tomorrow. And he's like, me too, or whatever.
00:32:03
Steve
you know
00:32:04
Sammi
Like, I know. What? And you're like like, it's like, oh my God, I feel like ass. I have food poisoning, but I'm just going to knuckle through this and and you know shuffle my way over there and my dress.
00:32:19
Sammi
That looks amazing. and And it's stormy and I had to freaking ride a horse and all that freaking bullshit. didn't want to do any of it. And I'm here because this will be a cool story someday.
00:32:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:31
Sammi
And then he's going to dump me? When I was just like, things were coming out of, you know, every orifice? No.
00:32:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:40
Sammi
That's horrible. And then she's like, I had to go recover from food poisoning and from heartbreak at my parents' house.
00:32:42
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:49
Steve
yeah
00:32:49
Sammi
I'm like, that sucks.
00:32:52
Steve
That's.
00:32:52
Sammi
I can't imagine that. That's just terribly, oh, that's just terrible. I don't know.
00:32:58
Steve
Oh, that would Jesus.
00:33:00
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:00
Steve
That's not fun.
00:33:01
Sammi
Yeah. So anyway, yeah. And yeah. So she's like, yeah, he told at the hometowns, he was like, I'm going to cancel the whole thing. And he was like, my mind's not going to change. And, and she went so fast. I could not keep all the notes.
00:33:15
Sammi
um And then, yeah, like, and she's like in overnights, you said a lot. And I'm like, oh my God. Like, And Grant, his response left a lot to be desired, in my opinion.
00:33:29
Sammi
He's just like, well, I don't regret it. And I stand on what I said, but I do regret the mistakes I made. And I don't know how conflicted I would be.
00:33:41
Sammi
went where i thought that was so bad.
00:33:43
Steve
it's not not a great look i mean there's no there's no good look there to have other than be like uh what can i say it was bad like other than just totally owning it like there's no you can't like walk that back that's
00:33:54
Sammi
I don't even think I would say that I would stand by what I i mean, I guess he had to to save face somehow. So you do still have to be like, well, I stand by what I said, but like the situation changed or like whatever.
00:34:01
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:34:08
Sammi
um But like, Jeez, I don't know. I don't even, I didn't know how conflicted I would be. This is one theory I've seen floating around the internet. People have said um that, okay, I saw one person talk about, I'll have to see if I can find this video too. I was trying to like favorite stuff.
00:34:29
Sammi
um And then I've been having like weird issues with TikTok where they'll be like, connect to the internet. And then you can, and I'm like, I'm connected to the internet. Can you just let me favorite this video?
00:34:36
Steve
It's like, how am I watching the video? Yeah.
00:34:38
Sammi
Um, I can watch it and I can like it, but I can't favorite it or share it. It's really strange. Anyway.
00:34:43
Steve
That's odd.
00:34:43
Sammi
Uh, well, they're just trying to wean me off slowly. Anyway. So there was this, somebody talked about like attachment styles. I've talked about attachment styles, um, on the podcast, like years and years ago, I talked about attachment styles on the podcast.
00:34:57
Sammi
but someone said that like Latia is a secure attachment style and Juliana is like an avoidant attachment style. And so, you know, Juliana was like really hesitant to like make big statements and say, you know, say big things. And she was like more scared of commitment.
00:35:15
Sammi
And Latia was like, ah you know, and they use the difference between like, if something goes wrong in a relationship for someone like Juliana, she might say, what's wrong with me? And Latia is like,
00:35:26
Sammi
There's nothing wrong with me. What's wrong with you? you don't want to be with me.
00:35:29
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:29
Sammi
What's wrong with you? You know, and and that's like the difference in like a secure attachment style and avoidant. And they were saying that Grant is probably used to an avoidant attachment style. And so he's like more attracted to that because it's like the thing he's most familiar with.
00:35:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:43
Sammi
And it's like some people really like that pursuit, you know, the feeling of pursuit um and that he might see something that's like broken in her and that is also broken in him that they could like heal and fix together versus Latia, who already has probably done a lot of inner work.
00:35:43
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:35:58
Steve
yeah
00:36:02
Sammi
And um there so like he would have to catch up to her ah versus like heal with her, which I think is a really ah compelling theory. Um, and I've also seen people say things like, well, Juliana was like hesitant until the end.
00:36:16
Sammi
So he wanted to like lock something down, ah with Latia in case Juliana like wasn't there.
00:36:23
Steve
he
00:36:23
Sammi
And then once Juliana said she was there, then I was like, okay, well that's all I needed. And now I'm going to you know, headlong into this.
00:36:29
Steve
yeah
00:36:33
Sammi
I don't know.
00:36:34
Steve
don't know my my speculation is that I knew and I knew Juliana was going to win because of Grant's Instagram fuck up but uh
00:36:34
Sammi
We can only speculate.
00:36:41
Sammi
Yeah, I saw that afterwards. Yeah.
00:36:43
Steve
Yeah, ah my my whole thought of the matter is is like it it could be an attachment style thing or could be as simple as, you know, it's not even the religious stuff because I don't think he had his head wrapped around that, but literally just the fact that she wanted to have babies right away and he didn't think that he could convince her otherwise.
00:36:56
Sammi
Yeah.
00:36:59
Steve
And he's like, ah, Juliana's little bit younger. um ah that gives me a looser like baby timeline.
00:37:04
Sammi
Yeah.
00:37:05
Steve
um And, you know, without the religious stuff, we can just bang or whatever. yeah. Yeah, I think it was as simple as that, like just the dumb guy approach to it.
00:37:11
Sammi
Yeah, well, yeah.
00:37:14
Steve
Mm
00:37:15
Sammi
I, yeah, I mean, that I said as much, not in those words, but I said i said as much like a couple episodes i ago, I think, you know, just like, it just, they, as soon as they did like hometowns, I was like, well, this makes sense.
00:37:19
Steve
hmm.
00:37:29
Sammi
Like, I was like, this is the only, out of these hometowns, I thought Zoe made sense and I thought Juliana made sense. Those were the two that just made sense to me from a hometown perspective.
00:37:40
Sammi
I'm like, these are these are situations where you're walking in and and it just makes sense. Like you you fall in line with the family, like the family you mesh with.
00:37:52
Sammi
Um, you've got similar but backgrounds. You've been through similar things. You have a lot of common ground here. This is not, this is not that much of a stretch with Juliana. It was even like, you know, locationally it made sense. Zoe too, right? Wasn't that New York? Am I wrong?
00:38:08
Sammi
I think, right?
00:38:09
Steve
yeah. yeah
00:38:09
Sammi
That were there. Yeah. So it's like so this so these just like make sense. It just feels like you could fit into their lives very easily. You've said you'd be willing to move. This is an area with, you know, you're familiar with, you're comfortable with the East Coast. Like, cool, like easy, very easy.
00:38:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:38:27
Sammi
Um, so you know, and then, you know, with, with Dina, it was just like, it that was a tough because you couldn't really see family, and you know, like the friend stuff was fine, but it just was, you know, a stretch. And then with Latia, it's like, yeah, this is like quite a different, this is a very different dynamic than what you're used to.
00:38:45
Sammi
Not to say that they weren't welcoming. They were super welcoming. They were super cool. Like everybody's really warm and whatever, but it just, ah that's a very different life, um, that's a very different life scenario that you would find yourself in.
00:38:58
Steve
Nope.
00:38:58
Sammi
And, you're either up for that or you're not.
00:38:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:01
Sammi
It makes me think about, um, uh, oh my gosh, Chris souls, you know, like, you know, I was like, do you want to go, you know, marry this farmer? And some people were like having a crisis about it.
00:39:13
Sammi
Like, I don't think I can do that.
00:39:15
Steve
so
00:39:15
Sammi
And he doesn't want to change what he's doing. I mean, nobody should probably be with that guy, but anyway, um, yeah, But you know what i mean? It was just like it was just one of those things where I was like, oh, yeah.
00:39:24
Steve
yeah
00:39:27
Sammi
Oh, I didn't sign up for this. This is very different. So um I think that was a big a big part of it. Yeah. That their lives just didn't like um not to say that you can't do that. You can always like adjust and like reach common ground and find, you know, a thing to do.
00:39:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:43
Sammi
And Latia was even like, I was totally willing to like, I was surprised when she was like, yeah, I'd move away from my family. That's fine. I've like done this for a long time. I'm ready to like do something different that doesn't bother me.
00:39:53
Steve
yeah
00:39:54
Sammi
um So she was like very ready to like, you know, pick up and go to New York with him and, you know, try something different. And Um, so it wasn't, I mean, that is an interesting thing. She wasn't like planted or anything like that. At least that's what she said. i believe her.
00:40:10
Sammi
and i think that was true. um but yeah, even then it's like, that is quite a, it's quite a different, a different life. So I think, I think he picked the person who made, who makes the most sense for him. I think he picked the person who's most compatible with him.
00:40:25
Sammi
I think people shitting on Juliana is also like really tacky and weird. I just like, there's no need to do that.
00:40:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:31
Sammi
um And I get her choice for not watching the finale, but I also, I physically would not be able to do that.
00:40:41
Steve
Yeah, I...
00:40:41
Sammi
I need to know everything. I am so nosy. I need all the intel. You tell me I'm going to get engaged to someone and not see what happened with the other person they were potentially going to get engaged with.
00:40:52
Sammi
Absolutely fucking not. I am watching every second of that.
00:40:53
Steve
No, I don't think I could watch it. I i would be,
00:40:58
Sammi
You wouldn't watch it. You'd be like, Juliana, you wouldn't watch it.
00:41:01
Steve
i don't know. i mean, it would be hard, but at the same time, it would almost be unavoidable. Like, cause then all you're hearing is like the little snippets of things from the internet.
00:41:07
Sammi
Right.
00:41:09
Steve
So I guess if your life is that public, you might as well watch it so you can form your own opinion and instead instead of having your trauma, like third party regurgitated at you.
00:41:20
Sammi
Yeah, you're telling me she hasn't heard. i mean, it's everywhere. It's every every third TikTok I see is like this finale.
00:41:24
Steve
Mm hmm. Everywhere.
00:41:28
Sammi
And and remember when I was like, I haven't heard peep about any of the episodes.
00:41:33
Steve
hmm.
00:41:33
Sammi
Everybody came out of the woodwork for the finale. It was like, hold on, I've got things to say.
00:41:36
Steve
Yeah, that's where it was at
00:41:38
Sammi
I have a take now because that was ridiculous.
00:41:39
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:41
Sammi
Oh, my God. That was the wildest thing I've ever seen. So, you know, it's like it's unavoidable. You know, as someone whose feed has that stuff in
00:41:47
Steve
yeah
Future of the Bachelor Franchise
00:41:50
Sammi
it, you know, it's like, yeah, I can't i can't help but see it.
00:41:54
Sammi
um I do think I'm i'm less than enthused with her response when they interviewed her like the next day or whatever.
00:42:02
Steve
the
00:42:03
Sammi
And it was kind of like, well, Latia's reality, that's her reality. I was like, what is that? That's weird.
00:42:08
Steve
Not great.
00:42:09
Sammi
Not great. Not enough to... I mean, she doesn't deserve hate. This is a weird show. This is a weird situation. People are put in like the... the This is like the oddest scenario ever. You know?
00:42:21
Sammi
Whatever. But I just... I think... i think watching it will allow you to make more diplomatic responses. That's just what I think.
00:42:31
Sammi
um Did you hear a rumor about ah potential bachelorettes that were up for ah candidacy before before the pause?
00:42:42
Steve
No, do tell.
00:42:44
Sammi
Well, I heard a rumor. i heard from I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who ah that Carolina was up for a bachelorette.
00:42:54
Steve
Okay.
00:42:54
Sammi
And I think she made it kind of far in the process. That's what I heard.
00:42:58
Steve
who
00:42:59
Sammi
um and And then they like offered it to Maria again.
00:43:03
Steve
Of course.
00:43:03
Sammi
And she turned it down again.
00:43:05
Steve
Love that. um Marie would be too good.
00:43:07
Sammi
Which it's such a power move, dude.
00:43:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:10
Sammi
Like that's, yeah, that's so good. um i think Carolina would be a really good bachelorette. I am totally in support of her being the bachelorette.
00:43:20
Steve
oh yeah should be should be fun yeah also why not make it interesting again why not do a big nationwide search and find a bachelorette just like pluck them out of obscurity why is it gotta why you gotta to just you know pull from from the established stable try some a little different
00:43:35
Sammi
Yeah.
00:43:39
Sammi
You know, it's like, it's what we've always done. I also think having like someone who's notable from outside of Bachelor Nation would be interesting.
00:43:46
Steve
That would be fun. That would be fun. I would like that.
00:43:49
Sammi
We've talked about that forever. I just think at some point it should happen.
00:43:53
Steve
Gotta have the crossover. Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:43:55
Sammi
But yeah.
00:43:56
Steve
ah
00:43:56
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:56
Steve
Can we talk about Paradise and what's going on in Paradise this this year?
00:43:59
Sammi
Sure.
00:44:00
Steve
Oh my God.
00:44:01
Sammi
Sure. Okay. So i kind of predicted, not totally. i didn't totally predict this. Listen, I still think they should do a cruise. I don't know why they're not doing a cruise.
00:44:08
Steve
Yeah, Golden Paradise on a cruise. Come on.
00:44:11
Sammi
Golden paradise and a cruise, but I knew they would do a golden paradise. ah ah I didn't fully expect that they would be doing it together.
00:44:19
Steve
No.
00:44:19
Sammi
um
00:44:20
Steve
What is this? Because is it going to be like, is Gary going to saunter out on the beach and be like, oh, hello, Zoe. ah I noticed you look very stunning today. And have you ever considered dating an older man?
00:44:32
Sammi
Well, people are saying that. People are like, oh, because it's like, okay, here's the thing. I'd like to think that these men that we've seen, especially on The Golden Bachelorette, great guys, wouldn't be creepy and weird. Okay.
00:44:45
Sammi
I'd like to think that that is the case.
00:44:47
Steve
Nope.
00:44:48
Sammi
you You're like, they're all capable of it.
00:44:48
Steve
They're going to be weird.
00:44:52
Sammi
Oh, no, you paused on my end.
00:44:54
Steve
Oh, sorry. I just said, nope, they're going to be weird.
00:44:57
Sammi
Well, I don't...
00:44:57
Steve
They're definitely going to be weird.
00:44:59
Sammi
Well, i hope i I hope and pray that they wouldn't be. But I also don't think that like the Goldens are gonna... ah We've seen people... young people younger than us lose their shit over the temperature and conditions on this beach.
00:45:15
Sammi
Just like how hot it is, how humid it is, all the bugs and the iguanas and stuff like that. I just don't think that most of the golden contestants are going to like being on the beach.
00:45:29
Sammi
So what I, this is my theory.
00:45:29
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:45:31
Sammi
This is my thought is This is how I could see it working. And if I'm right, ah you all owe me money or something. ah So they'll do Bachelor in Paradise for like the younger people the same way. It'll be the same thing.
00:45:46
Sammi
But they're going to do Golden Bachelor in Paradise and they're going to stay in like that. There's like a nearby hotel that sometimes they put them in. They're going to stay in that nearby hotel and then they'll come out for like cross-generational like games and stuff. They'll like do like really fun, you know, like Maybe it'll be like a trivia game or, you know, whatever they have to, you know, they have to do like a tug of war or something.
00:46:08
Sammi
And they have to sign a lot of waivers because those hips are expensive to replace.
00:46:10
Steve
yeah
00:46:12
Sammi
um And they'll do stuff like that. So they'll like come together. Maybe they'll do like a prom or whatever, but then they're going to mostly spend time in their own respective areas. That's what I think is going happen.
00:46:23
Steve
I hope someone on the beach doesn't have a father figure and then they like get an adopted dad and then that's
00:46:28
Sammi
Oh, gosh. Yeah, that would be.
00:46:32
Steve
I never had a dad till I met you Gary
00:46:32
Sammi
But yeah, so.
00:46:35
Sammi
Yeah, then he's like, oh, I was going to take you out on a date. And then you're like, oh, God, that just shatters everything.
00:46:41
Steve
I was thinking of a father-son relationship, but it gets weirder.
00:46:41
Sammi
um Oh.
00:46:44
Steve
yeah Wrong kind of daddy.
00:46:48
Sammi
OK, I thought you meant like, OK, I get it now. Um, yeah, either. Well, that would be cute. That would be cute. I was thinking like, like a girl's like, oh, you like you're like a great influence. And then they like ask her out on the date and then it's like, oh, nevermind. This sucks now.
00:47:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:05
Sammi
But I mean, I would like to think that they think these things through and that they organize it in a way that makes sense. But who knows? They don't always. um I don't know why they're pausing the Bachelorette when it's the better show between the two. you know just doesn't make any sense.
00:47:22
Steve
Doesn't make any sense.
00:47:24
Sammi
yeah that's Yeah, that's all I really i mean have. oh feel like I had one more little rumor. Let's see if I can pull it up. Tyler Cameron is really trying to like revamp his image. He's like come out of, ah again, the woodwork. he's He's come on TikTok and he is like really shooting a shot with Latia. Yeah.
00:47:45
Sammi
Very publicly. It's very interesting.
00:47:46
Steve
Wow.
00:47:46
Sammi
Yeah.
00:47:47
Steve
Has he converted?
00:47:48
Sammi
At least that's what it's, at least that's what it sounds like to me. What'd you say? Uh, gee, I don't know.
00:47:50
Steve
i said, has he converted to Mormonism?
00:47:54
Sammi
Um, and maybe,
00:47:54
Steve
that that'd be a big That'd be a bold first step, I think.
00:47:57
Sammi
Uh, well, yeah. So, oh, and apparently, uh, Grant was following him and Grant unfollowed him after he like came out in support of Latia.
00:48:04
Steve
Hmm. Mm-mm.
00:48:04
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:06
Steve
Mm-mm.
00:48:06
Sammi
Um, but yeah, I don't know. Is he still with someone? I don't know if he is or not. It just seemed like he was shooting a shot. So I hate to assume that, but that was, that was, uh, he really laid it on thick.
00:48:12
Steve
Mm-mm.
00:48:18
Sammi
Let's, let's put it like, so just saying, um, oh wait. Okay. I guess he is still with someone.
00:48:25
Steve
oh
00:48:26
Sammi
interesting. Well, maybe he was just being nice, um, or more who knows. Uh, but he, he, yeah, he's dating Tate Madden, which I have no idea who that is. So anyway, that's fine. Um, so yeah, that was kind of interesting. I feel like I had one other thing. I cannot remember it now, but yeah, I think Carolina should be the next bachelorette or somebody brand new. I think those are good choices.
00:48:49
Sammi
um
00:48:52
Sammi
Oh, and then I just wrote down because some people were calling Latia fake and I said everyone calling Latia fake hasn't been around enough Mormons. They all sound like that. um It's not fake.
00:49:03
Sammi
It's just the way that they all sound. They all talk like that.
00:49:04
Steve
yeah it's it's the it's the mormon lady voice it's what they do
00:49:05
Sammi
It's not. It's just real. It's it's it's just like the real Mormon cadence. I don't know what to tell you. Like you just haven't talked to enough Mormons.
00:49:12
Steve
yeah
00:49:14
Sammi
um I will say, Juliana, I wrote that her dress was stunning, babes. um And then they're they're like, well, we know you like cannolis. That's one thing we know. So you're going to Italy.
00:49:26
Sammi
And they're like, oh, my God.
00:49:28
Steve
Oh, spaghetti! Yeah, it's to great.
00:49:30
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah. um Oh, Katie and Zach have a wedding date. So that's, that's a new update. um And that's, so that's the thing. I don't think that there's any other, I'm trying to think if there's any other big bachelor nation updates. I think those are like the big ones.
00:49:45
Steve
Nothing major.
00:49:46
Sammi
um
00:49:46
Steve
It is interesting, though, because, like you said, I mean, this is... ah we got no bachelorette. They're doing some experimentation here with paradise. Uh, there was the big producer shuffle around and it feels like for the first time 20, 25, however many years it's been genuinely feels like this franchise is in a little bit of of trouble.
00:49:59
Sammi
Yep.
00:50:12
Steve
Like, yeah, we, we could, we could be out of a job soon, Sammy.
00:50:13
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:50:17
Sammi
Uh, we'll just pivot to something else. You know that we'll be fine.
00:50:19
Steve
a Yeah.
00:50:22
Sammi
Uh, I'm not worried. Well, ah
00:50:22
Steve
Welcome to Mormon Plate Special, where we discuss the secret lives of Mormon wives.
00:50:26
Sammi
well, listen, as you'll remember, this is all under the umbrella of pop culture diner.
00:50:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:50:32
Sammi
Why'd you think I did that?
00:50:32
Steve
This is good. Yeah.
00:50:33
Sammi
Okay.
00:50:33
Steve
This is because things get absorbed.
00:50:33
Sammi
Why'd you think I did that? Ingenious branding.
00:50:35
Steve
That's how it works.
00:50:36
Sammi
I am a cockroach. I will persist. Um,
00:50:39
Steve
Mm-hmm. People are saying this.
00:50:43
Sammi
So, ah no. So when's our next whatever? Is it paradise? Do we have to wait until paradise?
00:50:47
Steve
No. Yeah, what do we got to figure out we have to figure out an activity in between. Otherwise, I'm not going to see you until like August.
00:50:51
Sammi
we're going to do some We're going to do some special episodes. Well, I will say, did you know that our most popular episode on YouTube is ah Courtney's book?
00:50:58
Steve
I did not know that. Does that mean...
00:50:59
Sammi
Yeah, it's
00:51:00
Steve
Wait, does that mean I have to read? Okay.
00:51:01
Sammi
You have to read more. We definitely have to do more book club stuff because people really like it.
00:51:05
Steve
but Yeah, yeah.
00:51:07
Sammi
Like that one is our top episode by far.
00:51:07
Steve
yeah
00:51:10
Sammi
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives also did very well on TikTok. Just saying.
00:51:13
Steve
Okay, wonderful.
00:51:14
Sammi
So I think the new season's coming, right? Like soon, like next week or couple weeks or something like that.
00:51:17
Steve
Mm-hmm. Soon. Like, couple weeks, I think mid-April or something.
00:51:21
Sammi
mid-april yeah okay so we've got that so we'll definitely do that i still want to do like an episode about traders um i would still like to do an episode about unreal season one of unreal so i think what we'll do is we'll do some like special episodes in between and some book club stuff and lucky for you all my summer is coming up okay and i'm not gonna do i might do some school stuff i'm gonna do very little school stuff okay
00:51:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:51:31
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:51:40
Steve
Mm-hmm. Summer of Sammy.
00:51:46
Steve
I thought you going say very little stuff. And I'm like, that is not possible for you.
00:51:49
Sammi
No, that's like not. That's literally impossible.
00:51:51
Steve
oh I have less stuff in this basket. Let me fill up this basket with more stuff.
00:51:57
Sammi
literally a conversation I had with one of my clients. He's like, I know how you get. and i was like, listen, stop knowing me so well.
00:52:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:06
Sammi
Okay. Just be nice to me.
00:52:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:07
Steve
the The cup must overflow with.
00:52:09
Sammi
Yeah. He's like, yeah. I'm like, so I just took on painting lessons. And he's like, the hell are doing?
00:52:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:16
Sammi
And I'm like, I don't know.
00:52:16
Steve
It's okay. Party your charm, Sammy.
00:52:17
Sammi
bored.
00:52:18
Steve
It's why we love
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
00:52:19
Steve
you.
00:52:19
Sammi
Thank you. Thank you. I can't stop. I can't stop doing things. um But yeah, so i I think we should definitely do more book club stuff. There's so many Bachelor Nation books to read um and people seem to really like those. And yeah, like some special episodes on some seasons. So that being said...
00:52:37
Sammi
If you see this and you're listening or whatever, and you want to tell us like what kind of things you're interested in in the off season, you can put that in the comments of our videos. You can email popculturediner at gmail.com.
00:52:52
Sammi
um Just find us, you know, just come up to me on the street and say, don't do needle drugs like that happened to you one time. So weird.
00:52:57
Steve
a Yeah, you can yell, don't do needle but drugs at a bar in a bar at me. That's fine.
00:53:04
Sammi
Yeah, we'll know. We'll know. It's for us.
00:53:06
Steve
but no. The people I'm with won't know, but I'll know.
00:53:10
Sammi
Yeah, they'll be like, do you have a problem? Do we need to talk about it Did dare not work for you?
00:53:15
Steve
yeah
00:53:15
Sammi
yeah. so yeah So please tell us if there's something that you want us to cover. There's like a season of something. if there' I mean, there's so much like Bravo that we could cover. there's so I would love to do like some special episodes of those like one season wonders.
00:53:31
Sammi
Like I can't ever stop thinking about Misadvised and Gallery Girls. I think about those shows constantly, constantly.
00:53:38
Steve
Let's do it.
00:53:39
Sammi
Yeah. so they's So there's so much good stuff. So like, yeah, regardless if the if the franchise continues or not, we sure will. We've got plenty to talk about over here.
00:53:47
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:53:48
Sammi
And you literally cannot shut us up we are
00:53:48
Steve
Funny to talk about. Mm-mm.
00:53:51
Sammi
We yappers till the day we die. yeah.
00:53:54
Steve
Absolutely.
00:53:54
Sammi
Yeah. So that being said, hey, thanks for spending this season with us. If this was your first episode ever, weird choice, but thanks for being here.
00:54:01
Steve
Very strange.
00:54:02
Sammi
ah have you've been here for a long time, thank you. Consider leaving a review on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts. It helps us out a lot. um Give us a little subscribe on YouTube or where I don't know.
00:54:15
Sammi
I don't know where you are. I'm sorry. i can't see that. I'm not sentient like that.
00:54:20
Steve
Where are you anyway?
00:54:20
Sammi
Where are you? What even are you doing? You should be. um And if you want to keep an eye on, you know, like what my nails are doing, I don't know. I'll put them on like TikTok or something. um But until until next time, friends, ah until our next special episode, take care of yourselves.
00:54:37
Sammi
ah Be cool. And I don't know. Enjoy life on the beach.
00:54:42
Steve
Yeah, don't do needle drugs, especially on the beach.
00:54:44
Sammi
Yeah.
00:54:45
Steve
you ever been to Venice Beach? You just see like a syringe lying around? That's still fun.
00:54:50
Sammi
You don't want to be there too late at night.
00:54:51
Steve
You don't want to be there too late at night.
00:54:52
Sammi
You just easily just get out of there. Yeah.
00:54:54
Steve
Yeah. We go to Muscle Beach. Get the guns ready. i prep for paradise.
00:55:02
Sammi
Hit the boardwalk.
00:55:04
Steve
Couple of AK-47s attached to these shoulders.
00:55:07
Sammi
Go get yourself a cool airbrushed t-shirt.