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Rose Plate Special: Golden Bachelorette Joan - Finale, Part 1
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Consider this an interlude, a break in the action before things wrap up for good. We've created a very tight, 30-ish minute episode to get you up to speed on the Finale (part 1). Stay tuned for what is either a very thrilling conclusion or the thing we've expected all along.
P.S. you can check out Sammi's friend's Twitch channel here.
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Transcript
00:00:17
Sammi
Hello.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello.
00:00:19
Sammi
I'm Sami.
00:00:19
Steve
And I'm Steve.
00:00:21
Sammi
And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic, ah to heating-ist, no funny, business, sing-ist, Joan, costuming-ist, recap, ah podcast of The Golden Bachelorette ever.
00:00:38
Steve
Ever! That was quite the mouthful.
00:00:40
Sammi
Thank you. Thank you. And, uh, if I'm frozen again, I'm sorry. Listen, I'm building a new computer and everything's going to get better.
00:00:45
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:00:46
Sammi
Uh, but it will probably be after the finale. We'll see. Maybe, maybe on the last episode, you'll get like an extra nice looking thing. I don't know.
00:00:55
Steve
Yeah, and guess what, viewers and listeners?
00:00:55
Sammi
Maybe we'll see.
00:00:58
Steve
I'll always be garbage, don't worry.
00:01:01
Sammi
I'm just going to keep getting like iteratively better until it's like movie quality. And then, and then Steve's going to look like, you know, like an iPhone, like the first iPhone. So it's going to look like first iPhone.
00:01:11
Steve
First iPhone, yes. i'm i am I am a pixelated Game Boy camera from 1997.
00:01:17
Sammi
Oh, that's exciting. I love that. It's funny. So like, I just bought um a bunch of computer parts from my ground center. And um they were like, ah they're like, Oh, what do you you know, like, oh, this is exciting like, they're, they were complimenting my choices, except for one, which is fine. um But I didn't pick one of the choices for a specific reason. Fine.
00:01:39
Sammi
um But they were like, oh, this is really I'm kind of jealous of this build. I think it's a really good build. And and then ah Tuck goes, yep, she's going to be playing a lot of Frogger on that thing.
00:01:51
Steve
That's it. That's how you play.
00:01:51
Sammi
And I was I was like, I like a lot of platformers from the 90s and I just really wanted to make sure I had a machine that did it very right.
00:01:58
Steve
Yeah. That makes sense.
00:01:59
Sammi
ah Yeah.
00:02:00
Steve
Well, and the cool thing about Frogger is you can play the original or you can play the weird like mid to late 90s PlayStation remake, which I'm a big fan of, because there was a brief period where Atari, I think, was really bottoming out.
00:02:09
Sammi
Oh.
00:02:13
Steve
And they're like, the only solution is to do modern updates of old games from the 80s. And they thought that like Frogger was going to take him to the next level in the era where like Mario 64 already existed, which is,
00:02:21
Sammi
Oh yeah.
00:02:27
Sammi
oh You know.
00:02:27
Steve
Incredible hubris or sadness, depending on how you look at it.
00:02:30
Sammi
Yeah, that is kind of incredible sadness, I guess. I just remember when I, I mean, I remember the first time I saw Donkey Kong country and I was like, how is it ever going to get better than this?
00:02:39
Steve
Oh yeah, yeah, it was crazy.
00:02:40
Sammi
There's no way. There's no way.
00:02:41
Steve
No, i I was so hyped for that when I was a kid, because I had a subscription to Nintendo Power magazine, and every once in a while they would send out something special to you, and for the reveal of Donkey Kong Country, you got a VHS tape in the mail, and you pop it in, and it was like footage and development stuff.
00:02:42
Sammi
Yeah.
00:02:47
Sammi
Oh, nice.
00:02:58
Steve
I'm sure it exists somewhere on YouTube, but as a small child, I watched that until the tape literally disintegrated. so
00:03:04
Sammi
Wow. You know, I have a friend who probably knows exactly that video and has it, has a copy of it and that's business.
00:03:10
Steve
Mmhmm. Okay.
00:03:13
Sammi
Um, I'm going to just plug business really quick. So B I Z S N E S is a talking super Nintendo. Um, it's a, it's a, it's a boy trapped in the body of a super Nintendo.
00:03:21
Steve
Mmhmm.
00:03:22
Sammi
Um, and so business plays as like a talking super Nintendo puppet and, uh, has like Sprite nights, um, a lot of Saturdays where they'll play like, you know old like yeah stuff from like Nintendo Power magazine and like old ads and things like that and you know old reviews and whatever so um yeah so so check that out business i'll try to remember to plug in the description i'm gonna write that down before i forget um but yeah so anyway if i'm a little scattered today um
00:03:36
Steve
Mmhmm.
00:03:53
Sammi
That's just the kind of week. I'm having I don't know what to tell you everybody everybody in the world wanted something from me and also ah I had to know it's not your fault You're trying to be the least stressful part of my week you said and I agree um But like everybody wants everything from me right now and I've got like it's midterm kind of ish time and like they Everything's due right now.
00:03:59
Steve
Yeah, it's not my fault though.
00:04:04
Steve
who
00:04:13
Sammi
Plus we had to deal with trick-or-treaters ah Which we go all out, you know, we do the costumes you do the lights we do the sound we do that.
00:04:16
Steve
Yeah. yeah
00:04:21
Steve
Oh, and don't forget the lingering specter of election anxiety.
00:04:22
Sammi
Yeah
00:04:24
Steve
That's always a fun one.
00:04:25
Sammi
Yeah, that's not, it's very chill.
00:04:25
Steve
Just kind of ambiently making me uncomfortable. Yeah, it's great. I love it.
00:04:29
Sammi
Yeah, I don't feel stressed about it at all.
00:04:31
Steve
No, why would you?
00:04:31
Sammi
So I don't know why you're worried about it. um Yeah, so that's fun. And also it was Diwali and I was doing like ceremonies with my teacher and I was, and and then at Trick or Treat, we had a tween ghost face come around and try to stab me multiple times.
00:04:46
Steve
Ooh.
00:04:47
Sammi
So I had to keep going, I had to keep going, oh, like you, I told you that you can have as much candy as you want. And then, you know, she'd come around and just try to, So it was pretty, it was good times, it was good times. um So anyway, that's the kind of week I've been having.
00:05:00
Sammi
And um so we're gonna try to get this wrapped up really quickly, but I will do a quick promo. um If you're watching this, you know where to find us in one place, but make sure you check out Pop Culture Diner on TikTok and Pop Culture Diner on the internet and wherever podcasts are.
00:05:16
Sammi
And if you feel so inclined, just send us a really nice review and tell us how great we are. We constantly seek validation. That would be nice. I just dropped another Chobo Chico.
00:05:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:05:25
Sammi
I just I just dropped it all over my phone.
00:05:25
Steve
Topo down. Yeah. go Oh no.
00:05:28
Sammi
ah I'm too emphatic on this podcast and on my notes, my precious notes.
00:05:32
Steve
That's okay. Yeah.
00:05:35
Steve
This is, this is classic.
00:05:36
Sammi
Oh, my gosh.
00:05:37
Steve
I love this, but yeah, go, go check out our TikTok so you can see my anti Chicago rage bait.
00:05:38
Sammi
Yeah, thank you.
00:05:42
Sammi
People were so it's so funny.
00:05:42
Steve
a
00:05:44
Sammi
OK, I feel like we should mention this.
00:05:44
Steve
No, I want everyone to know. I want everyone to know my hatred is pure. Like when I say I don't like Chicago cuisine, I genuinely mean it. This is not meant to incite anything. I feel like I laid out my my specific reasons very meticulously.
00:05:58
Steve
This is just, this is my passion, my passion of disdain.
00:06:01
Sammi
Oh, my gosh, I got on my mouse to you guys.
00:06:03
Steve
Oh gosh.
00:06:03
Sammi
This is really bad. um It's everywhere. So anyway, so I'm going to try to clean this up while we talk. But yeah, I wanted to I wanted to make a point of saying ah the hate for Chicago.
00:06:14
Sammi
Someone on TikTok said ah this is clearly rage bait. And I responded from from my own profile. And I said, we are Wisconsinites. It's definitely not rage bait.
00:06:23
Steve
No, this is like, we just feel that way.
00:06:24
Sammi
We just feel that way because we're from Wisconsin.
00:06:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:26
Sammi
So I just wanted you to know that it's not rage bait at all. um But yeah, so anyway, okay, so let's move into this, we're going to move really fast. And so you won't have to put me on two times speed today.
00:06:38
Sammi
If you ever have to do that, I don't think anyone ever does that for me, I'm going to be really honest with you.
00:06:39
Steve
ah
00:06:42
Sammi
So So this is kind of an interesting episode because it's like it's that in between we're trying to figure things out.
00:06:50
Sammi
We go from three to still three, but there's some uncertainty in the air. What's going to happen? Who's going to make a decision? You know, um you know, how how does how does Joan feel and all of that stuff?
00:06:50
Steve
who
00:07:05
Sammi
And so do we want to just kind of go through each date and kind of talk about it?
00:07:08
Steve
Yeah, sure, sure, let's let's go through them.
00:07:10
Sammi
Yeah. Well, I guess we went from three to two kind of, but I also, I don't know. My conspiracy theory mind says this is ah the last we've seen of Pascal.
00:07:17
Steve
Yeah, I think so too.
00:07:19
Sammi
I don't know. That's what I think. All right. So what do you think? tell Tell us what you're thinking about the first date. Let's cover Guy first as I try to dry this up with a blanket.
00:07:25
Steve
Okay, let's let's let's cover Guy. ah This is really, we're we're kind of into a no win situation.
00:07:36
Steve
ah I feel like Pascal is great, but I've been saying since week one, he's here for a good time, not a long time. He actually stuck around longer than I thought, but we're going to get into why.
00:07:47
Sammi
I think he stuck around longer than he thought. I mean, he said that, you know, which is kind of interesting.
00:07:49
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. who Yeah, and then of course we've got Chalk and I am a, ah well, people have been calling me a CCH, Certified Chalk Hater, and right rightly so.
00:07:53
Sammi
Yeah.
00:08:01
Sammi
Yeah, why are you a certified track caterer?
00:08:03
Steve
I just, there's something in the back of my head. Maybe it's the, you know, come on down and meet the fam date at a funeral thing that he did. Or there's just all this stuff where nothing about it like isolated is necessarily bad or a big red flag.
00:08:24
Steve
But if I look at chalk holistically and I look at the things that have been laid out in front of me as one clear picture, the mosaic comes together for me and it says, no chalk, all right?
00:08:36
Sammi
Wow.
00:08:36
Steve
And then we've got Guy. And Guy has been on a bit of a reverse chalk trajectory, but then a little bump in the road on on the way, but basically,
00:08:43
Sammi
ohh
00:08:48
Steve
I didn't like him initially just because he seemed a little slick for my tastes. It's not his fault. he You look at the guy and you're like, oh yeah, he's a doctor in Las Vegas.
00:08:59
Steve
Of course he is and he is.
00:09:01
Sammi
Yeah.
00:09:01
Steve
He's got one of those incredibly handsome faces. You just want to punch because it's too handsome. He's got ah a jawline you could crack a diamond with, which is
00:09:10
Sammi
Geez.
00:09:11
Steve
ah I mean, for me is is deeply upsetting. ah But no, he he's he really proved himself, especially when he would kind of go out of his way to do little nice things that clearly weren't for TV or internet clout.
00:09:24
Steve
The bump along the way, of course, was there was some sort of ah revelation that he had had a restraining order taken out on him at some point, although when further details of that emerged, I don't know, it's messy.
00:09:35
Steve
I can't i can't pass full judgment.
00:09:36
Sammi
Yeah, I don't I'm not going to fault him for that. I think it's yeah, I think it's more of a misunderstanding and like divorces are messy than anything.
00:09:39
Steve
No, no, yeah.
00:09:45
Sammi
At least that's what we've seen. Who knows?
00:09:47
Steve
Yes.
00:09:47
Sammi
We weren't there, but that's what I would read it as.
00:09:50
Steve
Yeah, so ah basically what we're set up with with Guy is Guy is a great guy and almost anyone would jump on the chance to be with him, but is he,
00:10:05
Steve
Jones guy and that's the question we have to ask so I Don't know.
00:10:09
Sammi
Yeah.
00:10:11
Steve
I don't think so. Unfortunately Yes, of course
00:10:13
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, I think Guy is great on paper. Um, like, and I think he would be a catch for a lot of women. Um, I mean, yeah, it's like, he's got, like, Tahoe money, okay? And I love that they're like, we're gonna go on two boating dates in a row.
00:10:31
Sammi
It's like this is just guys, you know, thing. um And yeah, I mean, he definitely did some really standout things in the house that set him apart as someone where it's like, I'm not just like somebody who has a really good job and money, like I am thoughtful.
00:10:47
Sammi
And and it sounds like he's one of the most well-liked guys in the house. Him and Pascal are both like very well-liked in the house.
00:10:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:10:57
Sammi
Um, and it seemed like, yeah, he didn't, he didn't have any like adversaries, you know, he just seemed to kind of like go with the flow and like, you know, and, and, and, you know, I can be kind of harsh about doctors sometimes like being like, all right, hurry up 15 minutes, like whatever.
00:10:59
Steve
No.
00:11:15
Sammi
And he obviously has like good bedside manner and a lot of empathy. Like when he showed Charles, I think is really like, ah I would assume that that extends to the work he does as an ah ER doctor. and that's
00:11:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:25
Sammi
Uh, very, uh, admirable. So, and he had a good hometown date. He had a good, he had a good, um, you know, fantasy suite date and, you know, Joan kind of threw them in for a loop by saying, listen, we're going to go in these fantasy suites, but no hanky pinky, you know?
00:11:41
Steve
Yeah, which is revealed because got well I don't know when they were each, you know, when they each took place in real life, but guys is the first and she kind of lays this out.
00:11:43
Sammi
Yeah.
00:11:48
Sammi
Right.
00:11:50
Steve
She's like, listen, I don't want to bang three dudes. I'm just going to bang one dude.
00:11:53
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:11:55
Steve
It's going to be the final dude that I'm going to bang. So we're not going to bang.
00:11:57
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:11:58
Steve
And he's like, cool. That's fine.
00:12:00
Sammi
Yeah, he was like, he's like, that makes such a lot of sense to me.
00:12:00
Steve
That's whatever, which is great.
00:12:04
Sammi
And I really appreciate you saying that and doing that.
00:12:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:06
Sammi
And I think that's cool.
00:12:07
Steve
Personally, Joan, I would, uh, I would have kicked the tires at all three of those Cadillacs, but that's just me.
00:12:08
Sammi
And he's yeah. I mean, yeah, but you know, that's her choice, you know, and yeah, I mean, all to the to their credit, they were all like cool with it and whatever.
00:12:19
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:19
Sammi
um But what Joan says about Guy is she thinks like he kind of fell first, like he's more into her than she's into him.
00:12:27
Steve
Yes, which is very evident.
00:12:27
Sammi
And I think that Yeah, I think that's what reveals. Yeah, like where like what his fate is going to be. um And she I mean, she was like, I could see a life with him.
00:12:35
Steve
who
00:12:40
Sammi
I mean, and it's like, yeah, because I live would be pretty cool, you know, like.
00:12:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:44
Sammi
and he's probably like close to retirement so you know then it's like you can spend more time together and go on more adventures and stuff like that's a that's a taxing job i'm sure he doesn't want to do it for too much longer i mean i can't speak for him but i would just assume and so um
00:12:53
Steve
Totally.
00:12:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:02
Sammi
you know it's like yeah that's like a very easy life to fold into i would say but yeah i just i haven't really felt like that much in terms of like chemistry between the two of them it's like
00:13:15
Steve
No.
00:13:18
Sammi
yeah he's a good time and he's really nice and so he's easy to hang out with and he's just easy to be around and you know and she thinks he's good looking I mean I think he's yeah good looking so like easy on the eyes like it's just kind of like yeah this is good but yeah it's just like there isn't that like we're not seeing that like it factor that spark between the two of them so yeah
00:13:21
Steve
yeah
00:13:37
Steve
No. the The sparks aren't flying, which is wild to me. i just because it it seems like at the very least, and you see this frequently on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, where they don't have chemistry on that and that kind of like real, like deeper level, but the physical chemistry is very obvious.
00:13:51
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:13:55
Steve
um And I'm surprised that even that physical element doesn't seem to be completely there. But I agree, if we if we look at all three men, you've got Guy and, you know, this nice, it's, again, it's a nice date.
00:14:07
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:14:07
Steve
Catamaran, I think that they're on one of those boat things, some snorkeling,
00:14:10
Sammi
Sure, I'm not.
00:14:11
Steve
Some fish.
00:14:12
Sammi
That's out of my pay grade. and That's out of my tax bracket.
00:14:13
Steve
i Yeah, I don't know. i Yeah, I can't. I would never. I mean, I would, but I'm not paying for it.
00:14:18
Sammi
Yeah. Oh, I sure would. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:21
Steve
But anyways, he's definitely more into her than she's into him, although she's still, you know, obviously he's here. He's top three. He's doing okay. And then on the Pascal side of things, she is obviously into Pascal more than Pascal is into her.
00:14:36
Steve
And then you've got shock, and that's where they just kind of align, where they're both on the same level.
00:14:40
Sammi
Yeah.
00:14:41
Steve
And and that's why he has been, and I think going into the final episodes will be the obvious choice here.
00:14:50
Sammi
Mm hmm. I don't know. I'm still kind of i' I don't know. There's still a part of me that thinks there's going to be some kind of surprise twist or I don't know. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm totally wrong um because I've been wrong before where it's like and it is just very straightforward.
00:15:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:05
Sammi
And, you know, it's like it's like Jojo and Jordan, where it's just like it's obvious and it's obvious until the end.
00:15:05
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:15:12
Sammi
And then now they've been together for however a long, like long time now.
00:15:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:16
Sammi
Um, but yeah, so like, okay, so let's talk about, so I was kind of surprised that the chalk date was in the middle that surprised me because usually date number two is like the person that, well, I mean, you know, statistically it's like the person that is least likely to win.
00:15:21
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:15:33
Sammi
Um, But I mean, everything goes well. It's like it's again, very easy date. Chuck lays out his intentions. He's been very consistent. And oh, I wanted I wanted to issue a correction and offer an update on the video that his daughter posted.
00:15:49
Sammi
Those two things.
00:15:49
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:15:49
Sammi
Number one, I'm very sorry, everyone. Please stop yelling at me. I said Ilana Mar and said Ilona. And now I'm worried I've got her last name wrong, but I know her first name is Ilona is pronounced Ilona.
00:15:59
Steve
Okay.
00:16:00
Sammi
So I'm so sorry. um ah She's been amazing her and Alan on dancing with the stars. I've never watched an episode I just watch clips but their tick tock is unbeatable and Jen and Sasha just got eliminated this week, which is very heartbreaking and um But they're still hanging out.
00:16:10
Steve
Hmm.
00:16:17
Sammi
So I don't know. We'll see what happens Um, and Joey's just kicking ass. So that's your quick dancing with the stars update. Um, and then, uh, with chalk's daughter, so she posted a video, um, basically just being like, I don't understand all the hate for my dad. Same. I mean, I wasn't like, I just didn't really like vibe with him in the first few episodes, but I'm like, I don't know. I don't think there's anything objectionable about him.
00:16:44
Sammi
um And you know she was like, I just want to be very clear that this was not a funeral. like We had a funeral. this was just This was just a memorialization.
00:16:51
Steve
a
00:16:54
Sammi
This was just like an honorary tree planting that we did on you know like a family friend's ranch.
00:16:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:00
Sammi
And that's what we invited Joan to. like let's you know Let's put this in perspective.
00:17:05
Steve
Steve, stop saying that she that he took her on a date to a funeral.
00:17:07
Sammi
Stop yelling about it. Yeah, it's just like that's not that's not what it was. um So I just wanted to issue issue those corrections um and also say I also agree.
00:17:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:20
Sammi
I don't really get like to be me saying someone's not my cup of tea. It's like not everyone's going to be everybody's cup of tea. Right. Some people don't even like tea, but like um But like to to yeah, to be like, oh, what up?
00:17:32
Sammi
peace yeah It's like that's like that takes a level of animosity that I really don't I reserve for few people in my real life and on television, you know.
00:17:34
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:40
Steve
Totally. Well, and this is, this is the unfortunate nature of what we do here, which is we are taking petty shots at fictionalized versions of real life dream daddies, but there's, there's really, you know, there's, there's nothing we can really say here.
00:17:42
Sammi
And so, yeah.
00:17:52
Sammi
Yeah.
00:17:57
Sammi
One of my fav games.
00:17:57
Steve
That's, that's.
00:17:58
Sammi
ah Yeah. But yeah, like, I mean, yeah, it's never that serious and it's never that deep.
00:18:04
Steve
No.
00:18:04
Sammi
And to and to just like issue like a hot take, you know, that, you know, is based on such a limited window of time versus like sending like threats, you know, it's like.
00:18:18
Sammi
Come on. okay That's unnecessary.
00:18:20
Steve
No.
00:18:21
Sammi
What the hell is right I know we've said this before, but I just think it bears constant repeating because it's just like ah we are not the same. OK, we can we we are making little jokey jokes, but like ah cool it with the bringing things to in real life, doxing people and like, you know, whatever.
00:18:39
Sammi
Like, of course, I will look at your LinkedIn.
00:18:39
Steve
Yeah.
00:18:41
Sammi
OK, but I'm not going to tell people where to find it. ah But yeah, so anyway, so yeah, I mean, I think the date goes well again, like chalk has no issue with with, you know, the rules that Jones sent out.
00:18:54
Sammi
But let me ask you a question. What do you think happened in the fantasy suite with them?
00:18:57
Steve
yeah Okay, this is what I don't like. this This is the thing when I'm talking about the mosaic tiles. that that I don't know if this is just in the edit, if it's a producer thing, because this has been such a wholesome, conflict-free season of anything bachelor-related.
00:19:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:19:13
Steve
so it just wondered like Am I falling for the trap?
00:19:14
Sammi
Yeah.
00:19:17
Steve
Of course I am. They're just sowing the seeds of doubt.
00:19:18
Sammi
Yeah, I think it's a trap. Yeah.
00:19:20
Steve
But I don't like his answer to this. Cause guys like, whatever. Yeah, that's fine. That makes perfect sense. And then of course they use a chalk individual interview and they ask him clearly point blank, like, Hey, you know what happened to the fantasy suite?
00:19:38
Steve
And he could have just been like, Oh, we just talked about life and family and values and just like all this incredible stuff that we don't get to talk about on the dates and really got to know each other at like a deeper level, blah, blah, blah.
00:19:47
Sammi
Which is like what Guy said, yeah.
00:19:49
Steve
Yeah, which is because hopefully that's what happened.
00:19:50
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:19:52
Steve
But the way that he phrases it where he's just like, well, I don't want to talk about that, but ah you could ask Joe and maybe she'll tell you. It's like, bro, shut up.
00:20:00
Sammi
Yeah.
00:20:01
Steve
Shut the fuck up.
00:20:03
Sammi
You really don't like him.
00:20:03
Steve
Don't fucking say that.
00:20:05
Sammi
Oh my gosh.
00:20:05
Steve
No, I just I just don't like that answer. and And honestly, they could have just stayed up all night playing Uno. I don't care what you did.
00:20:12
Sammi
Right.
00:20:13
Steve
But like, don't phrase it in a way where you're like, maybe I banged her, maybe I didn't. ha Like, come on, dude.
00:20:19
Sammi
i feel like I feel like that had to have been like a producer fed way of saying it.
00:20:23
Steve
Yes. Oh, ah yeah, of course. and and
00:20:27
Sammi
I bet they asked the question, like, well, yeah, like, you know, do you like, can you tell us what you like about the fantasy suite? So, you know, maybe something about how, like, you know, what goes on in there is private. And then he's like, you know what I like about the fantasy fantasy suites is that everything that goes on there is between us.
00:20:42
Sammi
And I think that's really special. and It's really special.
00:20:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:45
Sammi
um But I mean, there's another read for that where it's like, well, and she was like, you know what, it's going to be you. So. So, like, if you want to, like, you know, but I'm going to say this, but I don't think so.
00:20:53
Steve
yeah yeah who Yeah, but it's the same kind of swerve as the funeral.
00:20:57
Sammi
I don't think that that's I don't think that that's how that went down. I think his answer was misleading, but I would assume that that was a production direction. To me, that's what it felt like when I was like, that's so skeezy.
00:21:10
Sammi
Yeah, I was just like, that's weird.
00:21:11
Steve
I know, it's it's to say, this is another thing. it's you know It wasn't a funeral, it was a tree planting celebration of life on a friend's ranch.
00:21:14
Sammi
Yeah.
00:21:18
Sammi
They never said funeral like I didn't read it as a funeral.
00:21:20
Steve
I know, but it was just so funerally. I don't know, I just...
00:21:23
Sammi
Well, I didn't read it as a funeral. I read it as like a a memorialization, a celebration of life.
00:21:27
Steve
Listen.
00:21:28
Sammi
So that's what I interpreted as from the beginning, just for the record.
00:21:30
Steve
My rule is, my rule is if if i if I am just getting romantically involved with someone, ah no no death adjacent things for at least the first month, let's go there.
00:21:36
Sammi
Uh-huh.
00:21:40
Steve
like
00:21:41
Sammi
No death adjacent things for them. I mean, I think that's like a fair rule. I don't know.
00:21:44
Steve
Right.
00:21:45
Sammi
um ah Yeah, I mean, I just. Yeah, to me, that just seemed like something producers asked him to say, and that's what I'll say. I mean, but like like we've covered in like Bachelor Nation and all of that, you know, it's like you.
00:22:00
Sammi
You know producers will edit your words the way that they want to but you are still in charge of what you say and you can always say no I'm not saying that like that's always on the table you might get less air time you know whatever they might choose something else that you didn't like as much so maybe you recorded it a few times and and they're like well just give us a version that says this.
00:22:04
Steve
Yes. Mm hmm.
00:22:22
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:22:22
Sammi
And you don't want to say it, and then they'll, they'll run with that version.
00:22:22
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah
00:22:25
Sammi
Right? So it's like, um, you know, there's some contestants, former contestants who have said things like, yeah, I'll just say the packaged thing that they want me to say, even though it's like a cringy pond, or it's not a hundred percent like how I feel because I know that they needed a thing to get them from here to here and I'm willing to play ball and I don't really care how it makes me look and whatever. um But it's like, especially with this older crowd who might not be cognizant of the way that like producers can like craft a story, I think they do need to be mindful of like anything that comes out of your mouth could be used.
00:23:01
Sammi
you know it's like um Like I was just watching and we'll do we'll do a one-off of this once we get through this show But I was watching like the love is blind, you know like reunion and not no spoilers but um but one of the contestants said something like I was really hoping they weren't gonna show like the reveal out of the pods and I'm like Yeah, but you have to assume that they will show everything
00:23:25
Sammi
that they're going to show every second because you never know what they're going to pick. And especially if something was like awkward, uncomfortable, controversial, cause some extreme emotion, chances are they're going to show that because that's good TV.
00:23:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:37
Sammi
So um anyway, so I'm I just I assume that like he said a few versions of that and they picked that one. But we'll we'll you know, who knows?
00:23:49
Sammi
OK, so anyway, so now we get to the date with Pascal. And like things are going fairly well, but then they're like, you know what we're going to do?
00:23:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:00
Sammi
We're going to raise the stakes on this guy that's like not totally sure. And we're going to create an extremely emotional bonding ceremony between the two of you.
00:24:04
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:24:08
Steve
Oh God.
00:24:09
Sammi
I'm like.
00:24:09
Steve
I, this is very manipulative and I was like dying because he was like, Oh, stagra blue he was not, he was like trying to do his best, but you could see it, his eyes.
00:24:11
Sammi
That is so manipulative, I was like, that's diabolical.
00:24:18
Steve
He's like, this sucks.
00:24:20
Sammi
Yeah, I'm, you know, he was like, he in he was like, I just want Joan to have a good time. Like I don't, I want it to be like, you know, good, easy breezy day, no problems.
00:24:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:28
Steve
Yeah. And he was, he was just stoked cause he was in Tahiti and everyone was like speaking French and he's like, this rocks.
00:24:28
Sammi
And then.
00:24:32
Sammi
Yeah, he's like, he's like, I can explain what chicken is. It's very cool, you know, and like, he's like, all right, this is cool. This is fun. And then they're like, OK, um go out into the ocean and speak out your deepest, darkest fears and we're going to bond you together.
00:24:45
Steve
yeah Yeah.
00:24:46
Sammi
And he's like, oh, OK, this is kind of a lot, you know, and Jones
00:24:50
Steve
Like, uh, like a buddy bond, like a good old friend bond, like,
00:24:54
Sammi
Yeah, and Jones, like, you know, then like she's, you know, pouring your heart out, which is like what you're supposed to do in a ceremony like this. She's just doing the thing she's supposed to do. But he's like, oh, God, this is a lot. This is a lot.
00:25:04
Steve
He's like, ah and what she said, yes.
00:25:08
Sammi
And did did all ah so, you know, oh, also, I think it's really interesting that he barely spoke French with Jesse.
00:25:08
Steve
That is good.
00:25:16
Sammi
Don't you think that's interesting?
00:25:17
Steve
That is interesting.
00:25:17
Sammi
I don't know.
00:25:18
Steve
Well, I mean, that watch, we're going to see the bloopers next week and it's going to be all of them just talking French back and forth.
00:25:18
Sammi
I was like.
00:25:21
Sammi
All French. ah Yeah, because I'm like, Jesse loves loves being able to pull that out of his pocket.
00:25:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:25:26
Steve
Oh my God.
00:25:26
Sammi
So I was just like, yeah, I was like, this is interesting.
00:25:26
Steve
That's his favorite. Yeah.
00:25:29
Sammi
Anyway, interesting decision. um But yeah, so, you know, they have their little talk and like, you know, Pascal's like, ah you know, I well, I was with a woman and we were engaged and like I loved her and then, you know, it didn't work out and I was so heartbroken.
00:25:44
Sammi
And and you know what? I thought I was ready. And honestly, he's being so open and vulnerable.
00:25:50
Steve
Yeah, that's great.
00:25:51
Sammi
And this, you know, could make him not look good. And it's like, whatever. This is just my truth. This is just my reality. And I'm realizing I'm not ready. I thought I was, and I'm not, and now I'm scared. um Like, kudos, you know, for for admitting that and not like and not turning it into there's something wrong with joan or you know he's just like this isn't this isn't working for me and i just don't think i'm i thought i was in the right headspace and now this is becoming very real and it's scaring the shit out of me.
00:26:22
Sammi
And, um, so like the, the date itself goes okay. I mean, he's stressed out, but it goes okay. But then we get to dinner and he's basically says the same thing to Joan. And he's just like, I, it and his story was consistent too, between Jesse and Joan, which I appreciate. And, you know, he was basically like,
00:26:43
Sammi
You know, I, I love you as a friend. And, but I just, I don't, you know, and Joan was kind of like, and she was like flexible and kind of willing to play ball. And it's like, you know, do you think you're, you're never going to get there or you're just not going to get there like right now?
00:26:59
Sammi
Cause like, I'm kind of open to either.
00:26:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:02
Sammi
Um, so I'm like, Oh gosh, is, is Pascal her first choice? Like.
00:27:06
Steve
Yeah, because she's like, can I have a soft maybe because I would take a soft maybe.
00:27:09
Sammi
Yeah, yeah, she's like, yeah, like a soft commit. um and And so she's just like, you know, like, you like, can I circle back in in six months and see if you're interested in this offer that I'm providing you?
00:27:20
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:27:24
Sammi
um And he's just kind of like, I don't know, you know, he didn't say like, I'll never be ready, at least that's not what I heard.
00:27:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:30
Sammi
But it was just kind of like, I don't know, I but right now this is like a lot, you know, and
00:27:35
Steve
Perhaps you could be a mon ami with benefits.
00:27:37
Sammi
Yeah. But he was just like, you know, he's like, we have a great time together, you know. And I think it is kind of scary when you're in a situation where you're like, I'm not totally ready.
00:27:42
Steve
Yeah,
00:27:46
Sammi
And the other person is like, you remind me of my dead husband. That's like a lot.
00:27:50
Steve
that's...
00:27:50
Sammi
That's like a lot of pressure, you know.
00:27:52
Steve
That is, it's a lot of pressure.
00:27:52
Sammi
And yeah, but yeah.
00:27:53
Steve
And I think, I mean, everybody can probably relate to that. Like the the chance of you getting into a new relationship and like having any sort of like immediate balance and how you feel about each other is like one in a million.
00:28:07
Steve
And sometimes somebody's feelings will rock it up and yours will stay kind of low or mid or neutral or whatever.
00:28:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:28:13
Sammi
Mmhmm.
00:28:14
Steve
And then they're just like, I want to spend my life with you. And you're like, I don't even want to go to Burger King. with you right now.
00:28:23
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hard. It's like the beginning of relationships and it could be like everything's really exciting in the beginning and then reality hits and then you got to navigate that and whatever.
00:28:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:32
Sammi
But when you're in like a normal timeline, you can you can have those ebbs and flows and you can navigate it. And sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, but it's not like you have to figure that out today.
00:28:44
Steve
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:44
Sammi
You know, it's like, OK, well, let's kind of like take ah let's think about it.
00:28:45
Steve
and
00:28:49
Sammi
Let's take a week, whatever, which, you know, ah yeah, is like a totally normal life thing. um But yeah, this is like, OK, you know, and I understand why Joan said that stuff, too, because it's like the the biggest compliment she gives are like, you know, guy is really into me and that's great.
00:29:05
Sammi
And, you know, and chalk makes me feel safe and seen.
00:29:05
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:29:10
Sammi
And that's like a very like sturdy, stable, you know, feeling that she has. And Pascal reminds me of, you know, my late husband because he did everything big and Pascal did every does everything big.
00:29:22
Sammi
But I also think there was some interesting um foreshadowing for that conversation. Now, of course, we don't see the whole thing.
00:29:28
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:29:29
Sammi
We see the edited curated version of it. And it could be painting Joan in an ungenerous light. But the other thing Pascal was um opening up to Jesse about was like that's not all me.
00:29:41
Sammi
like The fancy cars and the fast life and all.
00:29:41
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:44
Sammi
He's like, that's not he's like I had a fucked up childhood. you know I come from this background and and it was difficult and I don't think people like see me for like you know who I am fully.
00:29:55
Sammi
And I want to be seen in that same way. um And so Joan leading with that, at least in the edited conversation we see, I think was like another thing where it's like, okay, well, maybe it's easier to walk away if you're not seeing the whole me, maybe then, you know, maybe then we're just not, we're not connected at that point, or you're just,
00:30:12
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:30:17
Sammi
Like you didn't see the way I was with the men in the house and why I was like the most well-liked guy in the house. You just still see big life, big, you know, nice cars, money, you know, whatever.
00:30:23
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:29
Sammi
um So that could be another, who knows, but that could be another factor. But then it's like they, I think Pascal did like the best breakup ever in bachelor nation history.
00:30:39
Steve
Oh, my gosh, it was great. Yeah.
00:30:41
Sammi
because he was really thoughtful. He was really kind. He was thinking about her feelings and she's going, it's OK. It's fine. It's OK. And he's like, why is she comforting me and telling me that it's OK? And it's fine when like it's obviously not.
00:30:53
Sammi
And even he's like, you know, he does feel very French when he waved away the cameras. um But
00:30:58
Steve
Oh yeah, that was good. I liked that. That was a nice touch.
00:31:00
Sammi
Get the away. of Get out of here. um But he's like comforting her. And he's like, no, I feel like garbage because it's not fun to do this to somebody. And it's not great. And it's not like we left on a cliffhanger.
00:31:12
Sammi
But I do think I don't know. Maybe there's more to the story. Who's to say? um what Let's let's end with predictions.
00:31:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:20
Sammi
We'll wrap up this tight episode and then and then we'll get the men tell all next week, which I'm really excited about. I think it's going to be fun.
00:31:27
Steve
yeah
00:31:28
Sammi
Yeah.
00:31:29
Steve
i I think personally, she's gonna have a bit of a, like a little bit of Pascal shock, little emotional shock.
00:31:35
Sammi
Mm hmm.
00:31:36
Steve
And she's gonna go through one of those like, well, what am I even doing here? Or maybe this isn't right for me, which we see this so pretty frequently. Cause yeah, I mean, this whole thing is very high stress.
00:31:47
Steve
And then you get to this point and you can see the finish line, but you're at your like highest stress level. And then one guy throws this curve ball at you. It's just emotional rollercoaster. So I think she's gonna have a little bit of a breakdown.
00:31:59
Steve
Gotta gather herself up, and then she's hitching her wagon to the old chalk pony. That's what I believe. Straight on down to Wichita.
00:32:07
Sammi
Yeah, I think that's the most like rational answer. But did i mean we saw Pascal's ah costume this year. He dressed up as Joan for Halloween.
00:32:15
Steve
Which was, oh, mwah.
00:32:17
Sammi
I think he's really fun.
00:32:18
Steve
Cray magnifique! I loved it.
00:32:20
Sammi
Listen, Pascal for Golden Bachelor. um Yeah, either him or Jonathan, I think, would be great.
00:32:23
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:26
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:32:27
Sammi
um Who else did we have? We had another person that we thought would be good for Golden Bachelor. Now I'm forgetting.
00:32:33
Steve
Oh my gosh.
00:32:33
Sammi
As long as it's not Mark.
00:32:34
Steve
The thing is, is there's like so many good people.
00:32:36
Sammi
There's a lot of good choices. I mean, I think Charles, charles if I'm dreaming, like that would be great.
00:32:37
Steve
Throw a dart at the wall. Yeah.
00:32:40
Sammi
um Yeah, there's so many good choices. we need We need Golden Bachelor in Paradise. I know I keep saying that, but like we need it. like I need it to feel okay.
00:32:47
Steve
Yeah. Oh my God. Please like put, put these, these beautiful old people on a nice Caribbean, like Holland America cruise and just let them vibe out.
00:32:59
Sammi
Yeah, it would be a dream come true. But until then, listen, everyone, take care of yourselves. We'll see you on the other side of what will regardless be a very interesting Tuesday. um So take care of yourselves. Take breaks. Engage in, you know, whatever self care you need, whether that's, you know, going to a movie to distract yourself, meditating, taking a nice walk, journaling, you know,
00:33:26
Steve
But don't do needle drugs. That's not a distraction.
00:33:30
Sammi
yeah
00:33:31
Steve
That's, that's you playing chicken with death himself in a, in a go-kart with size.
00:33:32
Sammi
and
00:33:37
Steve
Stick it out of the side.
00:33:39
Sammi
Consider binging our episodes.
00:33:41
Steve
Yeah. Why not listen to podcasts?
00:33:41
Sammi
We're a nice company.
00:33:43
Steve
Particularly this podcast.
00:33:43
Sammi
Hop Culture Diner. Listen to our podcast. Fuck the other podcasts.
00:33:47
Steve
It's the only one that matters. The rest are garbage.
00:33:54
Sammi
I'm trying to turn the music off and it won't turn off.
00:33:55
Steve
Not this one though.
00:33:58
Steve
yeah We just keep going forever.
00:33:59
Sammi
A window got in the way. I was like, oh, well, I guess we we'll just keep going.
00:34:02
Steve
the
00:34:03
Sammi
Okay, bye.