Transcript
Sammi: Hello.
Steve: Oh, hello.
Sammi: I'm Sami.
Steve: And I'm Steve.
Sammi: And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic, ah to heating -ist, no funny, business, sing -ist, Joan, costuming -ist, recap, ah podcast of The Golden Bachelorette ever.
Steve: Ever! That was quite the mouthful.
Sammi: Thank you. Thank you. And, uh, if I'm frozen again, I'm sorry. Listen, I'm building a new computer and everything's going to get better.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
Sammi: Uh, but it will probably be after the finale. We'll see. Maybe, maybe on the last episode, you'll get like an extra nice looking thing. I don't know.
Steve: Yeah, and guess what, viewers and listeners?
Sammi: Maybe we'll see.
Steve: I'll always be garbage, don't worry.
Sammi: I'm just going to keep getting like iteratively better until it's like movie quality. And then, and then Steve's going to look like, you know, like an iPhone, like the first iPhone. So it's going to look like first iPhone.
Steve: First iPhone, yes. i'm i am I am a pixelated Game Boy camera from 1997.
Sammi: Oh, that's exciting. I love that. It's funny. So like, I just bought um a bunch of computer parts from my ground center. And um they were like, ah they're like, Oh, what do you you know, like, oh, this is exciting like, they're, they were complimenting my choices, except for one, which is fine. um But I didn't pick one of the choices for a specific reason. Fine.
Sammi: um But they were like, oh, this is really I'm kind of jealous of this build. I think it's a really good build. And and then ah Tuck goes, yep, she's going to be playing a lot of Frogger on that thing.
Steve: That's it. That's how you play.
Sammi: And I was I was like, I like a lot of platformers from the 90s and I just really wanted to make sure I had a machine that did it very right.
Steve: Yeah. That makes sense.
Sammi: ah Yeah.
Steve: Well, and the cool thing about Frogger is you can play the original or you can play the weird like mid to late 90s PlayStation remake, which I'm a big fan of, because there was a brief period where Atari, I think, was really bottoming out.
Sammi: Oh.
Steve: And they're like, the only solution is to do modern updates of old games from the 80s. And they thought that like Frogger was going to take him to the next level in the era where like Mario 64 already existed, which is,
Sammi: Oh yeah.
Sammi: oh You know.
Steve: Incredible hubris or sadness, depending on how you look at it.
Sammi: Yeah, that is kind of incredible sadness, I guess. I just remember when I, I mean, I remember the first time I saw Donkey Kong country and I was like, how is it ever going to get better than this?
Steve: Oh yeah, yeah, it was crazy.
Sammi: There's no way. There's no way.
Steve: No, i I was so hyped for that when I was a kid, because I had a subscription to Nintendo Power magazine, and every once in a while they would send out something special to you, and for the reveal of Donkey Kong Country, you got a VHS tape in the mail, and you pop it in, and it was like footage and development stuff.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Oh, nice.
Steve: I'm sure it exists somewhere on YouTube, but as a small child, I watched that until the tape literally disintegrated. so
Sammi: Wow. You know, I have a friend who probably knows exactly that video and has it, has a copy of it and that's business.
Steve: Mmhmm. Okay.
Sammi: Um, I'm going to just plug business really quick. So B I Z S N E S is a talking super Nintendo. Um, it's a, it's a, it's a boy trapped in the body of a super Nintendo.
Steve: Mmhmm.
Sammi: Um, and so business plays as like a talking super Nintendo puppet and, uh, has like Sprite nights, um, a lot of Saturdays where they'll play like, you know old like yeah stuff from like Nintendo Power magazine and like old ads and things like that and you know old reviews and whatever so um yeah so so check that out business i'll try to remember to plug in the description i'm gonna write that down before i forget um but yeah so anyway if i'm a little scattered today um
Steve: Mmhmm.
Sammi: That's just the kind of week. I'm having I don't know what to tell you everybody everybody in the world wanted something from me and also ah I had to know it's not your fault You're trying to be the least stressful part of my week you said and I agree um But like everybody wants everything from me right now and I've got like it's midterm kind of ish time and like they Everything's due right now.
Steve: Yeah, it's not my fault though.
Steve: who
Sammi: Plus we had to deal with trick -or -treaters ah Which we go all out, you know, we do the costumes you do the lights we do the sound we do that.
Steve: Yeah. yeah
Steve: Oh, and don't forget the lingering specter of election anxiety.
Sammi: Yeah
Steve: That's always a fun one.
Sammi: Yeah, that's not, it's very chill.
Steve: Just kind of ambiently making me uncomfortable. Yeah, it's great. I love it.
Sammi: Yeah, I don't feel stressed about it at all.
Steve: No, why would you?
Sammi: So I don't know why you're worried about it. um Yeah, so that's fun. And also it was Diwali and I was doing like ceremonies with my teacher and I was, and and then at Trick or Treat, we had a tween ghost face come around and try to stab me multiple times.
Steve: Ooh.
Sammi: So I had to keep going, I had to keep going, oh, like you, I told you that you can have as much candy as you want. And then, you know, she'd come around and just try to, So it was pretty, it was good times, it was good times. um So anyway, that's the kind of week I've been having.
Sammi: And um so we're gonna try to get this wrapped up really quickly, but I will do a quick promo. um If you're watching this, you know where to find us in one place, but make sure you check out Pop Culture Diner on TikTok and Pop Culture Diner on the internet and wherever podcasts are.
Sammi: And if you feel so inclined, just send us a really nice review and tell us how great we are. We constantly seek validation. That would be nice. I just dropped another Chobo Chico.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I just I just dropped it all over my phone.
Steve: Topo down. Yeah. go Oh no.
Sammi: ah I'm too emphatic on this podcast and on my notes, my precious notes.
Steve: That's okay. Yeah.
Steve: This is, this is classic.
Sammi: Oh, my gosh.
Steve: I love this, but yeah, go, go check out our TikTok so you can see my anti Chicago rage bait.
Sammi: Yeah, thank you.
Sammi: People were so it's so funny.
Steve: a
Sammi: OK, I feel like we should mention this.
Steve: No, I want everyone to know. I want everyone to know my hatred is pure. Like when I say I don't like Chicago cuisine, I genuinely mean it. This is not meant to incite anything. I feel like I laid out my my specific reasons very meticulously.
Steve: This is just, this is my passion, my passion of disdain.
Sammi: Oh, my gosh, I got on my mouse to you guys.
Steve: Oh gosh.
Sammi: This is really bad. um It's everywhere. So anyway, so I'm going to try to clean this up while we talk. But yeah, I wanted to I wanted to make a point of saying ah the hate for Chicago.
Sammi: Someone on TikTok said ah this is clearly rage bait. And I responded from from my own profile. And I said, we are Wisconsinites. It's definitely not rage bait.
Steve: No, this is like, we just feel that way.
Sammi: We just feel that way because we're from Wisconsin.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: So I just wanted you to know that it's not rage bait at all. um But yeah, so anyway, okay, so let's move into this, we're going to move really fast. And so you won't have to put me on two times speed today.
Sammi: If you ever have to do that, I don't think anyone ever does that for me, I'm going to be really honest with you.
Steve: ah
Sammi: So So this is kind of an interesting episode because it's like it's that in between we're trying to figure things out.
Steve: who
Sammi: We go from three to still three, but there's some uncertainty in the air. What's going to happen? Who's going to make a decision? You know, um you know, how how does how does Joan feel and all of that stuff?
Sammi: And so do we want to just kind of go through each date and kind of talk about it?
Steve: Yeah, sure, sure, let's let's go through them.
Sammi: Yeah. Well, I guess we went from three to two kind of, but I also, I don't know. My conspiracy theory mind says this is ah the last we've seen of Pascal.
Steve: Yeah, I think so too.
Sammi: I don't know. That's what I think. All right. So what do you think? tell Tell us what you're thinking about the first date. Let's cover Guy first as I try to dry this up with a blanket.
Steve: Okay, let's let's let's cover Guy. ah This is really, we're we're kind of into a no win situation.
Steve: ah I feel like Pascal is great, but I've been saying since week one, he's here for a good time, not a long time. He actually stuck around longer than I thought, but we're going to get into why.
Sammi: I think he stuck around longer than he thought. I mean, he said that, you know, which is kind of interesting.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah. who Yeah, and then of course we've got Chalk and I am a, ah well, people have been calling me a CCH, Certified Chalk Hater, and right rightly so.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Yeah, why are you a certified track caterer?
Steve: I just, there's something in the back of my head. Maybe it's the, you know, come on down and meet the fam date at a funeral thing that he did. Or there's just all this stuff where nothing about it like isolated is necessarily bad or a big red flag.
Steve: But if I look at chalk holistically and I look at the things that have been laid out in front of me as one clear picture, the mosaic comes together for me and it says, no chalk, all right?
Sammi: Wow.
Steve: And then we've got Guy. And Guy has been on a bit of a reverse chalk trajectory, but then a little bump in the road on on the way, but basically,
Sammi: ohh
Steve: I didn't like him initially just because he seemed a little slick for my tastes. It's not his fault. he You look at the guy and you're like, oh yeah, he's a doctor in Las Vegas.
Steve: Of course he is and he is.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: He's got one of those incredibly handsome faces. You just want to punch because it's too handsome. He's got ah a jawline you could crack a diamond with, which is
Sammi: Geez.
Steve: ah I mean, for me is is deeply upsetting. ah But no, he he's he really proved himself, especially when he would kind of go out of his way to do little nice things that clearly weren't for TV or internet clout.
Steve: The bump along the way, of course, was there was some sort of ah revelation that he had had a restraining order taken out on him at some point, although when further details of that emerged, I don't know, it's messy.
Steve: I can't i can't pass full judgment.
Sammi: Yeah, I don't I'm not going to fault him for that. I think it's yeah, I think it's more of a misunderstanding and like divorces are messy than anything.
Steve: No, no, yeah.
Sammi: At least that's what we've seen. Who knows?
Steve: Yes.
Sammi: We weren't there, but that's what I would read it as.
Steve: Yeah, so ah basically what we're set up with with Guy is Guy is a great guy and almost anyone would jump on the chance to be with him, but is he,
Steve: Jones guy and that's the question we have to ask so I Don't know.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: I don't think so. Unfortunately Yes, of course
Sammi: Yeah, I mean, I think Guy is great on paper. Um, like, and I think he would be a catch for a lot of women. Um, I mean, yeah, it's like, he's got, like, Tahoe money, okay? And I love that they're like, we're gonna go on two boating dates in a row.
Sammi: It's like this is just guys, you know, thing. um And yeah, I mean, he definitely did some really standout things in the house that set him apart as someone where it's like, I'm not just like somebody who has a really good job and money, like I am thoughtful.
Sammi: And and it sounds like he's one of the most well -liked guys in the house. Him and Pascal are both like very well -liked in the house.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, and it seemed like, yeah, he didn't, he didn't have any like adversaries, you know, he just seemed to kind of like go with the flow and like, you know, and, and, and, you know, I can be kind of harsh about doctors sometimes like being like, all right, hurry up 15 minutes, like whatever.
Steve: No.
Sammi: And he obviously has like good bedside manner and a lot of empathy. Like when he showed Charles, I think is really like, ah I would assume that that extends to the work he does as an ah ER doctor. and that's
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Uh, very, uh, admirable. So, and he had a good hometown date. He had a good, he had a good, um, you know, fantasy suite date and, you know, Joan kind of threw them in for a loop by saying, listen, we're going to go in these fantasy suites, but no hanky pinky, you know?
Steve: Yeah, which is revealed because got well I don't know when they were each, you know, when they each took place in real life, but guys is the first and she kind of lays this out.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: She's like, listen, I don't want to bang three dudes. I'm just going to bang one dude.
Sammi: Mm -hmm.
Steve: It's going to be the final dude that I'm going to bang. So we're not going to bang.
Sammi: Mm hmm.
Steve: And he's like, cool. That's fine.
Sammi: Yeah, he was like, he's like, that makes such a lot of sense to me.
Steve: That's whatever, which is great.
Sammi: And I really appreciate you saying that and doing that.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And I think that's cool.
Steve: Personally, Joan, I would, uh, I would have kicked the tires at all three of those Cadillacs, but that's just me.
Sammi: And he's yeah. I mean, yeah, but you know, that's her choice, you know, and yeah, I mean, all to the to their credit, they were all like cool with it and whatever.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
Sammi: um But what Joan says about Guy is she thinks like he kind of fell first, like he's more into her than she's into him.
Steve: Yes, which is very evident.
Sammi: And I think that Yeah, I think that's what reveals. Yeah, like where like what his fate is going to be. um And she I mean, she was like, I could see a life with him.
Steve: who
Sammi: I mean, and it's like, yeah, because I live would be pretty cool, you know, like.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: and he's probably like close to retirement so you know then it's like you can spend more time together and go on more adventures and stuff like that's a that's a taxing job i'm sure he doesn't want to do it for too much longer i mean i can't speak for him but i would just assume and so um
Steve: Totally.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: you know it's like yeah that's like a very easy life to fold into i would say but yeah i just i haven't really felt like that much in terms of like chemistry between the two of them it's like
Steve: No.
Sammi: yeah he's a good time and he's really nice and so he's easy to hang out with and he's just easy to be around and you know and she thinks he's good looking I mean I think he's yeah good looking so like easy on the eyes like it's just kind of like yeah this is good but yeah it's just like there isn't that like we're not seeing that like it factor that spark between the two of them so yeah
Steve: yeah
Steve: No. the The sparks aren't flying, which is wild to me. i just because it it seems like at the very least, and you see this frequently on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, where they don't have chemistry on that and that kind of like real, like deeper level, but the physical chemistry is very obvious.
Sammi: Mm hmm.
Steve: um And I'm surprised that even that physical element doesn't seem to be completely there. But I agree, if we if we look at all three men, you've got Guy and, you know, this nice, it's, again, it's a nice date.
Steve: Catamaran, I think that they're on one of those boat things, some snorkeling,
Sammi: Mm hmm.
Sammi: Sure, I'm not.
Steve: Some fish.
Sammi: That's out of my pay grade. and That's out of my tax bracket.
Steve: i Yeah, I don't know. i Yeah, I can't. I would never. I mean, I would, but I'm not paying for it.
Sammi: Yeah. Oh, I sure would. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: But anyways, he's definitely more into her than she's into him, although she's still, you know, obviously he's here. He's top three. He's doing okay. And then on the Pascal side of things, she is obviously into Pascal more than Pascal is into her.
Steve: And then you've got shock, and that's where they just kind of align, where they're both on the same level.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: And and that's why he has been, and I think going into the final episodes will be the obvious choice here.
Sammi: Mm hmm. I don't know. I'm still kind of i' I don't know. There's still a part of me that thinks there's going to be some kind of surprise twist or I don't know. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm totally wrong um because I've been wrong before where it's like and it is just very straightforward.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And, you know, it's like it's like Jojo and Jordan, where it's just like it's obvious and it's obvious until the end.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: And then now they've been together for however a long, like long time now.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, but yeah, so like, okay, so let's talk about, so I was kind of surprised that the chalk date was in the middle that surprised me because usually date number two is like the person that, well, I mean, you know, statistically it's like the person that is least likely to win.
Steve: Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm.
Sammi: Um, But I mean, everything goes well. It's like it's again, very easy date. Chuck lays out his intentions. He's been very consistent. And oh, I wanted I wanted to issue a correction and offer an update on the video that his daughter posted.
Sammi: Those two things.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: Number one, I'm very sorry, everyone. Please stop yelling at me. I said Ilana Mar and said Ilona. And now I'm worried I've got her last name wrong, but I know her first name is Ilona is pronounced Ilona.
Steve: Okay.
Sammi: So I'm so sorry. um ah She's been amazing her and Alan on dancing with the stars. I've never watched an episode I just watch clips but their tick tock is unbeatable and Jen and Sasha just got eliminated this week, which is very heartbreaking and um But they're still hanging out.
Steve: Hmm.
Sammi: So I don't know. We'll see what happens Um, and Joey's just kicking ass. So that's your quick dancing with the stars update. Um, and then, uh, with chalk's daughter, so she posted a video, um, basically just being like, I don't understand all the hate for my dad. Same. I mean, I wasn't like, I just didn't really like vibe with him in the first few episodes, but I'm like, I don't know. I don't think there's anything objectionable about him.
Sammi: um And you know she was like, I just want to be very clear that this was not a funeral. like We had a funeral. this was just This was just a memorialization.
Steve: a
Sammi: This was just like an honorary tree planting that we did on you know like a family friend's ranch.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: And that's what we invited Joan to. like let's you know Let's put this in perspective.
Steve: Steve, stop saying that she that he took her on a date to a funeral.
Sammi: Stop yelling about it. Yeah, it's just like that's not that's not what it was. um So I just wanted to issue issue those corrections um and also say I also agree.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: I don't really get like to be me saying someone's not my cup of tea. It's like not everyone's going to be everybody's cup of tea. Right. Some people don't even like tea, but like um But like to to yeah, to be like, oh, what up?
Sammi: peace yeah It's like that's like that takes a level of animosity that I really don't I reserve for few people in my real life and on television, you know.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Totally. Well, and this is, this is the unfortunate nature of what we do here, which is we are taking petty shots at fictionalized versions of real life dream daddies, but there's, there's really, you know, there's, there's nothing we can really say here.
Sammi: And so, yeah.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: One of my fav games.
Steve: That's, that's.
Sammi: ah Yeah. But yeah, like, I mean, yeah, it's never that serious and it's never that deep.
Steve: No.
Sammi: And to and to just like issue like a hot take, you know, that, you know, is based on such a limited window of time versus like sending like threats, you know, it's like.
Sammi: Come on. okay That's unnecessary.
Steve: No.
Sammi: What the hell is right I know we've said this before, but I just think it bears constant repeating because it's just like ah we are not the same. OK, we can we we are making little jokey jokes, but like ah cool it with the bringing things to in real life, doxing people and like, you know, whatever.
Sammi: Like, of course, I will look at your LinkedIn.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: OK, but I'm not going to tell people where to find it. ah But yeah, so anyway, so yeah, I mean, I think the date goes well again, like chalk has no issue with with, you know, the rules that Jones sent out.
Sammi: But let me ask you a question. What do you think happened in the fantasy suite with them?
Steve: yeah Okay, this is what I don't like. this This is the thing when I'm talking about the mosaic tiles. that that I don't know if this is just in the edit, if it's a producer thing, because this has been such a wholesome, conflict -free season of anything bachelor -related.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: so it just wondered like Am I falling for the trap?
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Of course I am. They're just sowing the seeds of doubt.
Sammi: Yeah, I think it's a trap. Yeah.
Steve: But I don't like his answer to this. Cause guys like, whatever. Yeah, that's fine. That makes perfect sense. And then of course they use a chalk individual interview and they ask him clearly point blank, like, Hey, you know what happened to the fantasy suite?
Steve: And he could have just been like, Oh, we just talked about life and family and values and just like all this incredible stuff that we don't get to talk about on the dates and really got to know each other at like a deeper level, blah, blah, blah.
Sammi: Which is like what Guy said, yeah.
Steve: Yeah, which is because hopefully that's what happened.
Sammi: Mm -hmm.
Steve: But the way that he phrases it where he's just like, well, I don't want to talk about that, but ah you could ask Joe and maybe she'll tell you. It's like, bro, shut up.
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: Shut the fuck up.
Sammi: You really don't like him.
Steve: Don't fucking say that.
Sammi: Oh my gosh.
Steve: No, I just I just don't like that answer. and And honestly, they could have just stayed up all night playing Uno. I don't care what you did.
Sammi: Right.
Steve: But like, don't phrase it in a way where you're like, maybe I banged her, maybe I didn't. ha Like, come on, dude.
Sammi: i feel like I feel like that had to have been like a producer fed way of saying it.
Steve: Yes. Oh, ah yeah, of course. and and
Sammi: I bet they asked the question, like, well, yeah, like, you know, do you like, can you tell us what you like about the fantasy suite? So, you know, maybe something about how, like, you know, what goes on in there is private. And then he's like, you know what I like about the fantasy fantasy suites is that everything that goes on there is between us.
Sammi: And I think that's really special. and It's really special.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um But I mean, there's another read for that where it's like, well, and she was like, you know what, it's going to be you. So. So, like, if you want to, like, you know, but I'm going to say this, but I don't think so.
Steve: yeah yeah who Yeah, but it's the same kind of swerve as the funeral.
Sammi: I don't think that that's I don't think that that's how that went down. I think his answer was misleading, but I would assume that that was a production direction. To me, that's what it felt like when I was like, that's so skeezy.
Sammi: Yeah, I was just like, that's weird.
Steve: I know, it's it's to say, this is another thing. it's you know It wasn't a funeral, it was a tree planting celebration of life on a friend's ranch.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: They never said funeral like I didn't read it as a funeral.
Steve: I know, but it was just so funerally. I don't know, I just...
Sammi: Well, I didn't read it as a funeral. I read it as like a a memorialization, a celebration of life.
Steve: Listen.
Sammi: So that's what I interpreted as from the beginning, just for the record.
Steve: My rule is, my rule is if if i if I am just getting romantically involved with someone, ah no no death adjacent things for at least the first month, let's go there.
Sammi: Uh -huh.
Steve: like
Sammi: No death adjacent things for them. I mean, I think that's like a fair rule. I don't know.
Steve: Right.
Sammi: um ah Yeah, I mean, I just. Yeah, to me, that just seemed like something producers asked him to say, and that's what I'll say. I mean, but like like we've covered in like Bachelor Nation and all of that, you know, it's like you.
Sammi: You know producers will edit your words the way that they want to but you are still in charge of what you say and you can always say no I'm not saying that like that's always on the table you might get less air time you know whatever they might choose something else that you didn't like as much so maybe you recorded it a few times and and they're like well just give us a version that says this.
Steve: Yes. Mm hmm.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
Sammi: And you don't want to say it, and then they'll, they'll run with that version.
Steve: Mm -hmm Yeah
Sammi: Right? So it's like, um, you know, there's some contestants, former contestants who have said things like, yeah, I'll just say the packaged thing that they want me to say, even though it's like a cringy pond, or it's not a hundred percent like how I feel because I know that they needed a thing to get them from here to here and I'm willing to play ball and I don't really care how it makes me look and whatever. um But it's like, especially with this older crowd who might not be cognizant of the way that like producers can like craft a story, I think they do need to be mindful of like anything that comes out of your mouth could be used.
Sammi: you know it's like um Like I was just watching and we'll do we'll do a one -off of this once we get through this show But I was watching like the love is blind, you know like reunion and not no spoilers but um but one of the contestants said something like I was really hoping they weren't gonna show like the reveal out of the pods and I'm like Yeah, but you have to assume that they will show everything
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: that they're going to show every second because you never know what they're going to pick. And especially if something was like awkward, uncomfortable, controversial, cause some extreme emotion, chances are they're going to show that because that's good TV.
Sammi: So um anyway, so I'm I just I assume that like he said a few versions of that and they picked that one. But we'll we'll you know, who knows?
Sammi: OK, so anyway, so now we get to the date with Pascal. And like things are going fairly well, but then they're like, you know what we're going to do?
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: We're going to raise the stakes on this guy that's like not totally sure. And we're going to create an extremely emotional bonding ceremony between the two of you.
Steve: Oh yeah.
Steve: Oh God.
Sammi: I'm like.
Steve: I, this is very manipulative and I was like dying because he was like, Oh, stagra blue he was not, he was like trying to do his best, but you could see it, his eyes.
Sammi: That is so manipulative, I was like, that's diabolical.
Steve: He's like, this sucks.
Sammi: Yeah, I'm, you know, he was like, he in he was like, I just want Joan to have a good time. Like I don't, I want it to be like, you know, good, easy breezy day, no problems.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. And he was, he was just stoked cause he was in Tahiti and everyone was like speaking French and he's like, this rocks.
Sammi: And then.
Sammi: Yeah, he's like, he's like, I can explain what chicken is. It's very cool, you know, and like, he's like, all right, this is cool. This is fun. And then they're like, OK, um go out into the ocean and speak out your deepest, darkest fears and we're going to bond you together.
Steve: yeah Yeah.
Sammi: And he's like, oh, OK, this is kind of a lot, you know, and Jones
Steve: Like, uh, like a buddy bond, like a good old friend bond, like,
Sammi: Yeah, and Jones, like, you know, then like she's, you know, pouring your heart out, which is like what you're supposed to do in a ceremony like this. She's just doing the thing she's supposed to do. But he's like, oh, God, this is a lot. This is a lot.
Steve: He's like, ah and what she said, yes.
Sammi: And did did all ah so, you know, oh, also, I think it's really interesting that he barely spoke French with Jesse.
Steve: That is good.
Sammi: Don't you think that's interesting?
Steve: That is interesting.
Sammi: I don't know.
Steve: Well, I mean, that watch, we're going to see the bloopers next week and it's going to be all of them just talking French back and forth.
Sammi: I was like.
Sammi: All French. ah Yeah, because I'm like, Jesse loves loves being able to pull that out of his pocket.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Oh my God.
Sammi: So I was just like, yeah, I was like, this is interesting.
Steve: That's his favorite. Yeah.
Sammi: Anyway, interesting decision. um But yeah, so, you know, they have their little talk and like, you know, Pascal's like, ah you know, I well, I was with a woman and we were engaged and like I loved her and then, you know, it didn't work out and I was so heartbroken.
Sammi: And and you know what? I thought I was ready. And honestly, he's being so open and vulnerable.
Steve: Yeah, that's great.
Sammi: And this, you know, could make him not look good. And it's like, whatever. This is just my truth. This is just my reality. And I'm realizing I'm not ready. I thought I was, and I'm not, and now I'm scared. um Like, kudos, you know, for for admitting that and not like and not turning it into there's something wrong with joan or you know he's just like this isn't this isn't working for me and i just don't think i'm i thought i was in the right headspace and now this is becoming very real and it's scaring the shit out of me.
Sammi: And, um, so like the, the date itself goes okay. I mean, he's stressed out, but it goes okay. But then we get to dinner and he's basically says the same thing to Joan. And he's just like, I, it and his story was consistent too, between Jesse and Joan, which I appreciate. And, you know, he was basically like,
Sammi: You know, I, I love you as a friend. And, but I just, I don't, you know, and Joan was kind of like, and she was like flexible and kind of willing to play ball. And it's like, you know, do you think you're, you're never going to get there or you're just not going to get there like right now?
Sammi: Cause like, I'm kind of open to either.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: Um, so I'm like, Oh gosh, is, is Pascal her first choice? Like.
Steve: Yeah, because she's like, can I have a soft maybe because I would take a soft maybe.
Sammi: Yeah, yeah, she's like, yeah, like a soft commit. um and And so she's just like, you know, like, you like, can I circle back in in six months and see if you're interested in this offer that I'm providing you?
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: um And he's just kind of like, I don't know, you know, he didn't say like, I'll never be ready, at least that's not what I heard.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But it was just kind of like, I don't know, I but right now this is like a lot, you know, and
Steve: Perhaps you could be a mon ami with benefits.
Sammi: Yeah. But he was just like, you know, he's like, we have a great time together, you know. And I think it is kind of scary when you're in a situation where you're like, I'm not totally ready.
Steve: Yeah,
Sammi: And the other person is like, you remind me of my dead husband. That's like a lot.
Steve: that's...
Sammi: That's like a lot of pressure, you know.
Steve: That is, it's a lot of pressure.
Sammi: And yeah, but yeah.
Steve: And I think, I mean, everybody can probably relate to that. Like the the chance of you getting into a new relationship and like having any sort of like immediate balance and how you feel about each other is like one in a million.
Steve: And sometimes somebody's feelings will rock it up and yours will stay kind of low or mid or neutral or whatever.
Sammi: Yeah.
Sammi: Mmhmm.
Steve: And then they're just like, I want to spend my life with you. And you're like, I don't even want to go to Burger King. with you right now.
Sammi: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hard. It's like the beginning of relationships and it could be like everything's really exciting in the beginning and then reality hits and then you got to navigate that and whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: But when you're in like a normal timeline, you can you can have those ebbs and flows and you can navigate it. And sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, but it's not like you have to figure that out today.
Steve: Yeah, exactly.
Sammi: You know, it's like, OK, well, let's kind of like take ah let's think about it.
Steve: and
Sammi: Let's take a week, whatever, which, you know, ah yeah, is like a totally normal life thing. um But yeah, this is like, OK, you know, and I understand why Joan said that stuff, too, because it's like the the biggest compliment she gives are like, you know, guy is really into me and that's great.
Sammi: And, you know, and chalk makes me feel safe and seen.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: And that's like a very like sturdy, stable, you know, feeling that she has. And Pascal reminds me of, you know, my late husband because he did everything big and Pascal did every does everything big.
Sammi: But I also think there was some interesting um foreshadowing for that conversation. Now, of course, we don't see the whole thing.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: We see the edited curated version of it. And it could be painting Joan in an ungenerous light. But the other thing Pascal was um opening up to Jesse about was like that's not all me.
Sammi: like The fancy cars and the fast life and all.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: He's like, that's not he's like I had a fucked up childhood. you know I come from this background and and it was difficult and I don't think people like see me for like you know who I am fully.
Sammi: And I want to be seen in that same way. um And so Joan leading with that, at least in the edited conversation we see, I think was like another thing where it's like, okay, well, maybe it's easier to walk away if you're not seeing the whole me, maybe then, you know, maybe then we're just not, we're not connected at that point, or you're just,
Steve: Mm hmm.
Sammi: Like you didn't see the way I was with the men in the house and why I was like the most well -liked guy in the house. You just still see big life, big, you know, nice cars, money, you know, whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: um So that could be another, who knows, but that could be another factor. But then it's like they, I think Pascal did like the best breakup ever in bachelor nation history.
Steve: Oh, my gosh, it was great. Yeah.
Sammi: because he was really thoughtful. He was really kind. He was thinking about her feelings and she's going, it's OK. It's fine. It's OK. And he's like, why is she comforting me and telling me that it's OK? And it's fine when like it's obviously not.
Sammi: And even he's like, you know, he does feel very French when he waved away the cameras. um But
Steve: Oh yeah, that was good. I liked that. That was a nice touch.
Sammi: Get the away. of Get out of here. um But he's like comforting her. And he's like, no, I feel like garbage because it's not fun to do this to somebody. And it's not great. And it's not like we left on a cliffhanger.
Sammi: But I do think I don't know. Maybe there's more to the story. Who's to say? um what Let's let's end with predictions.
Steve: Yeah.
Sammi: We'll wrap up this tight episode and then and then we'll get the men tell all next week, which I'm really excited about. I think it's going to be fun.
Steve: yeah
Sammi: Yeah.
Steve: i I think personally, she's gonna have a bit of a, like a little bit of Pascal shock, little emotional shock.
Sammi: Mm hmm.
Steve: And she's gonna go through one of those like, well, what am I even doing here? Or maybe this isn't right for me, which we see this so pretty frequently. Cause yeah, I mean, this whole thing is very high stress.
Steve: And then you get to this point and you can see the finish line, but you're at your like highest stress level. And then one guy throws this curve ball at you. It's just emotional rollercoaster. So I think she's gonna have a little bit of a breakdown.
Steve: Gotta gather herself up, and then she's hitching her wagon to the old chalk pony. That's what I believe. Straight on down to Wichita.
Sammi: Yeah, I think that's the most like rational answer. But did i mean we saw Pascal's ah costume this year. He dressed up as Joan for Halloween.
Steve: Which was, oh, mwah.
Sammi: I think he's really fun.
Steve: Cray magnifique! I loved it.
Sammi: Listen, Pascal for Golden Bachelor. um Yeah, either him or Jonathan, I think, would be great.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
Sammi: um Who else did we have? We had another person that we thought would be good for Golden Bachelor. Now I'm forgetting.
Steve: Oh my gosh.
Sammi: As long as it's not Mark.
Steve: The thing is, is there's like so many good people.
Sammi: There's a lot of good choices. I mean, I think Charles, charles if I'm dreaming, like that would be great.
Steve: Throw a dart at the wall. Yeah.
Sammi: um Yeah, there's so many good choices. we need We need Golden Bachelor in Paradise. I know I keep saying that, but like we need it. like I need it to feel okay.
Steve: Yeah. Oh my God. Please like put, put these, these beautiful old people on a nice Caribbean, like Holland America cruise and just let them vibe out.
Sammi: Yeah, it would be a dream come true. But until then, listen, everyone, take care of yourselves. We'll see you on the other side of what will regardless be a very interesting Tuesday. um So take care of yourselves. Take breaks. Engage in, you know, whatever self care you need, whether that's, you know, going to a movie to distract yourself, meditating, taking a nice walk, journaling, you know,
Steve: But don't do needle drugs. That's not a distraction.
Sammi: yeah
Steve: That's, that's you playing chicken with death himself in a, in a go -kart with size.
Sammi: and
Steve: Stick it out of the side.
Sammi: Consider binging our episodes.
Steve: Yeah. Why not listen to podcasts?
Sammi: We're a nice company.
Steve: Particularly this podcast.
Sammi: Hop Culture Diner. Listen to our podcast. Fuck the other podcasts.
Steve: It's the only one that matters. The rest are garbage.
Sammi: I'm trying to turn the music off and it won't turn off.
Steve: Not this one though.
Steve: yeah We just keep going forever.
Sammi: A window got in the way. I was like, oh, well, I guess we we'll just keep going.
Steve: the
Sammi: Okay, bye.
