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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Missouri & Montana
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The Summer Road Trip continues this week and it's on a party bus for Lisa's birthday!!!!! And just a warning, there are some 'speed bumps' on this journey.
Montana (1:05 - 33:55) Lisa is starting us out tonight again (because she sucks at rock, paper, scissors) and telling us the the story about an absolute piece of crap that goes by the names Nathaniel Bar-Jonah and David Paul Brown. Two names for ones despicable human.
Missouri (34:26 - 1:13:14) Faith is taking us to the small town of Skidmore Missouri where the town bully Ken Rex McElroy spent two decades, absolutely terrorizing a town, unchecked until one July night in 1981.
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Transcript
Introduction and Birthday Celebration
00:00:00
Speaker
Well, hello again, and thanks for tuning in for another episode of Just the Tales. This is Faith. I'm Lisa. And it was Lisa's birthday yesterday! Woohoo! You're an old fart. She's like a hundred. At least. At least. Yeah. So. Like pieces of me just randomly fall off while I walk. That's actually a true story. Yeah, that's true. Joints go out all the time. Joints go out all the time.
00:00:28
Speaker
So anyway, happy birthday to Lisa. Thank you, thank you. We're celebrating by telling you two horrific stories. Sweet. Woo hoo. Lucky you. Rock, paper, scissors. Real quick, I'm going to pick your daughter's bathing suit up. Please.
Aging Humor and Transition to Crime Discussion
00:00:43
Speaker
What? I just saw it. Squirrel. Sorry. All right. OK. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Cut, cut, cut. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
00:00:53
Speaker
Oh, man, I just got, I got destroyed. So Montana's up first. Montana. I don't want to talk about this. All right. So I am about to do a story about this guy who's a real wanker. Can't be worse than last, last, I was gonna say last week, the other night's episode. Yeah. Well,
00:01:18
Speaker
I guess we'll have to debate on that after we start getting through. Well, no yours. I was talking about yours. Okay, yeah. Mine was pretty bad, too. Okay, all the people we talk about are awful. Yeah, they suck. They suck a lot. Alright, so I'm gonna talk to you guys about Nathaniel Barr Jonah. And it is Nathaniel Barr hyphen Jonah. I was gonna say, Barr sounds like a last name. What a stupid way to put his name. Oh, but it gets better. It gets better.
00:01:44
Speaker
He was born on February 15th 1957 as David Paul Brown. How many first names does this guy have? Like 52?
00:01:54
Speaker
He
Nathaniel Barr Jonah's Early Crimes
00:01:55
Speaker
changed his name at some point, but... Probably to hide his crimes. We got into it kind of deep, and then they told me when exactly he changed his name, and I was like, is this really even relevant at this point? No. Anyways, so Nathaniel, which is what I'm going to refer to him as, or Nathan, because I really got tired of typing out Nathaniel every single time I was referring to something, so... Nathaniel was born in Massachusetts. It was actually Worcester.
00:02:22
Speaker
For those of you who are from... Is that where Worcestershire sauce is from? No. And you're totally not saying it right. I am too. And that's what I was actually going to say. They're from Worcester. And that sounds better because that's just how they say it. I've been in Tennessee for so long that I actually... He's crap. Comes from Massachusetts. I'm shocked. No, I've been in Tennessee for too long that I actually pronounce my Rs now.
00:02:45
Speaker
So it was almost kind of hard for me to say. Do you need to go back for a while? No. I can get you a bus ticket. No, I love my family. That's still up there. Love hanging out with them. But when it comes to like the general public, maybe not so much. They're mean. Yeah, they're not really nice people. Nobody says y'all. Hi, how you doing? They just kind of run you over on the car. I went up there one year. It was a long time ago. OK, now I have been in the South now for almost 20 years. OK, so my cousin, my aunt, uncle, they all took me out to breakfast one morning.
00:03:15
Speaker
I finished my breakfast and I wanted to go have a cigarette so I was standing out front and everybody else was inside so I'm out front of this little cafe and There was a woman coming toward me with a stroller
00:03:26
Speaker
Now, in Tennessee, if somebody's getting ready to walk past you, what are you gonna do? Well, if she's gonna tell you, you can either open the door for her and be like, hi, how you doing? Well, she wasn't going into the market, but you're still probably gonna announce and say, hi, how are you? Like, you know, yeah, wave something nice. You'd be a polite member of society. I said, hey, how are you? And she crossed the street.
00:03:46
Speaker
I was like, they're so suspicious of me. Like, you talk to me, you want to murder me. You want to murder me. You probably think he's going to try to steal my baby. But maybe that's why the South gets so like, what's the word I'm looking for? Just crushed. We're too trusting, maybe. That could be. A little bit more naive, possibly. I don't know. Either way, it was pretty funny. Because I went back in and told them the story, and they all laughed at me. Like, dude, we don't talk to people. Why are you talking to a stranger? Why would you talk to a stranger?
00:04:17
Speaker
Alright, I'm sorry. So he was born in, uh, Massachusetts. His life is one that will leave everyone scratching their heads. How? Why? I feel like that's every episode we get. And, um, seriously? Seriously. Those are, those are going to be our three questions that you're going to ask yourself. I think those will transfer over to my, myself too. A lot. A lot.
00:04:38
Speaker
All right, get into it. So, in July 19 and 60- 19 and 64, sorry, 1964, at the bright and early age of seven- Oh, jeez, he's a young- He's a young buck. All right, Nathaniel tricked a five-year-old into his basement, telling her that he had a Ouija board, and that this Ouija board could tell her her future. While in the basement, he attempted to strangle this little girl at seven years old.
00:05:03
Speaker
Her screams were heard by his mother, Nathaniel's mother, and she ran downstairs and rescued her. Now, I read, and I wanted to know, like, because they're not going to say anything like this on Google. I could research for like a million years, and they're never going to tell me if the mom spanked him or grounded him or whatever, but I needed something. I needed something. There's nothing.
Escalation of Nathaniel's Criminal Activities
00:05:29
Speaker
There is nothing. There's never anything. I just needed to know. Like, I mean, because like, okay, my, my, my kid is eight. That'd be nine. Right. And if I ever got to a point where I'll walk downstairs because a little girl screaming and my son's choking her.
00:05:47
Speaker
There would be consequences, bro. Maybe, I may not, if that was the first episode, right? Because kids can be dumb, right? And violent, especially little boys reenacting wrestling or Power Rangers. He tried to choke her out, bro. Yeah, I know. I can't justify it. I'm trying. I'm trying. But yeah. But I just wanted to know, did he get his butt kicked at some point? We don't know. We don't know. I hope so.
00:06:13
Speaker
At age 12, we're gonna jump a few years, he lured a six-year-old boy to a nearby hill, telling him that he wanted to go sled. Now again, we're in Massachusetts, so there's snow. Others always snow. And when they got there, Nathaniel sexually assaulted the six-year-old. And again, no idea if there were any consequences for his actions at 12 years old. To a six-year-old.
00:06:41
Speaker
And I looked, guys, and I heard some other stuff on some of the podcasts that I was listening, and a lot of it really, because I couldn't find it myself, and because I couldn't find it myself, I felt like it was speculation, so I'm not gonna talk about it. You know what I mean? Yeah, because sometimes...
00:06:59
Speaker
People tend to fabricate. Hey, I am the best exaggerator I know. Yeah, I can exaggerate the crap out of anything but I'm gonna tell you what I try to keep it factual like if I can't like I listen other podcasts because sometimes people are better researchers than me I'm not a very good researcher, right? But so I'll listen to them and I'll hear where they got stuff and then I'll go look it up And if I can't find it, I don't use it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying If I can find it, then you can usually find more sources, right?
00:07:24
Speaker
So again, I have no idea if he was held accountable for any of his actions. Obviously not, because he's going to do something else horrible next. Just a couple of years later, he tried to talk to a couple of boys riding their bikes into going to a cemetery. He thought it would be fun, we could do blah blah blah. One of the boys really didn't like what Nathan was saying. Good.
00:07:47
Speaker
Smart child. And he told us to run straight up. We're not going. Good. So, um, that was kind of an incident reported, really, but there's nothing really to arrest him on other than... Well, they didn't do anything the other times he tried to hurt or did hurt. To my knowledge. To my knowledge. And I even, like, I tried to Google, like,
00:08:05
Speaker
You know, they didn't borrow Jonah, like, early years. Yeah, because it was juvenile. So, a couple years later, uh, no wait, I'm so sorry, I was re-reading the same sentence. Nathan's senior year of high school, he abducted an eight-year-old boy. What the heck, dude? Yeah, high school, bro. He was- I think it was-
00:08:24
Speaker
by other society members. Yeah, at least.
Capture and Legacy of Nathaniel Barr Jonah
00:08:28
Speaker
And like, here's again, here's my deal. How many times are you, even if it was proof and point, they were sealed records, hypothetically. He's still a minor at this point. But really, I was just gonna say, like, who cares if he's a minor? He's done it how many times now? That we know about? That we know about.
00:08:45
Speaker
That was actually reported that we could tell this tale. So again, I'm sorry, senior year high school, he abducted the eight year old. A neighbor saw that Nathaniel had taken the boy and called the police. The cops found the car. They ordered Nathaniel to get out of the car and they found the young little boy.
00:09:05
Speaker
barely alive. Now, he had been raped, he was strangled. There was a lot more other things that had occurred, but just based on, like, the arc torture rule thing, just... I personally didn't want to discuss it, because when it comes to kids like that, like, I don't want to talk about the torment that they had to go through. Yeah, and not that it would justify it all, but did he like... I mean, he started sexually assaulting young. Yes. So...
00:09:33
Speaker
Did something happen to him? Was he... Like... There were... Okay, so... Today's age... I understand that kids are being sexually active much older than they should, but very young. But in the 50s, you weren't having sex at 12. So how did he know about all that? To do that... Well, in... Okay, so I had seen, like, one thing that said that he blamed everything on being gang-raped when he was a child. But...
00:10:03
Speaker
Like, oh, there's a lot of things about this case that couldn't be backed up. Yeah. Okay. There was another thing that said that, you know, when he was in like kindergarten, he would pick his own scabs off and suck out the blood. And, you know, the parents had been called multiple times. They didn't do, you know, but I honestly think a lot of that has to do with the fact that like, okay, like if, if we were in a situation, you worked with somebody in there turned out to be a serial killer, you're going to nitpick at every single thing that they did. Oh yeah. And be
Justice System Failures and Discussion
00:10:32
Speaker
like.
00:10:32
Speaker
That was weird, right? And so I kind of wonder if some of it has to do, and then we talked about it a thousand times, like serial killers that get convicted who claim murders that they didn't do. You know what I mean? So he could have very well have just been giving them an outlet and saying, oh, I was getting raped when I was a kid. We don't know. There was no proof to that. If he is raping and molesting children, when he is a child, he got that somewhere. Again, not that it justifies it at all.
00:11:01
Speaker
But I don't know many kids that just come up with that on their own. That's my thing. Like there has to be something. You know what I mean? It's like it's learned behavior. If you're going to cuss in front of your kid, what's your kid going to do? Cuss. And then you get mad at them. Yeah. Oh, so I don't know. I really don't. I was just wondering. Truth be told, if I had the information for you, I would absolutely provide it. The only thing that I can do is tell you the story.
00:11:24
Speaker
that I got to read about, you know what I mean? And there's so many things that we don't get to read about that happened and you can never really know the truth, right? There's three sides to every story. So the neighbors saw Nathan take the boy, called the cops, they found the kid, he was barely alive.
00:11:41
Speaker
I couldn't find any information on his arrest at that point. Seriously? There has to be an arrest at that point. Who's his dad? The president? The mayor? No. I know he was arrested. Because it said he was not arrested. But it didn't tell me what happened after that. What was his sentence? What happened there?
00:12:03
Speaker
Um, so at some point he was out and it was clearly before graduation because the next story that happened is it said just before his graduation, he drove, drove to Hartford, Connecticut, pretending to be a cop. Now this is not the first time he's done this. Pretend to be a cop. Pretend to be a cop. Where's, where's he at now?
Ken Rex McElroy's Reign of Terror
00:12:23
Speaker
Is he still in Massachusetts? He's still living in Massachusetts. Now he's going to Hartford to commit crime. Yes. Okay. I'm with you. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm still there. He pretended to be a cop.
00:12:33
Speaker
He took a nine year old girl, after he assaulted her, he started, or she started throwing up and convulsing. So he literally just pulled off the side of the road, pushed her out. What the heck? So someone saw this happen and they did the right thing. They called somebody.
00:12:52
Speaker
And they actually took down Nathaniel's plate. Oh, good bystander. Yeah. Thank you. Right? So it's clearly was soon arrested. They tracked him down. They got him. And he apparently was on probation. So now I told you I couldn't tell you. He was on probation for abduction and raping a child.
00:13:16
Speaker
Yes. States do better. Laws do better. Absolutely. So that was what I was telling you, I couldn't find anything earlier. And I kept researching and I was like,
00:13:27
Speaker
you know I wanted I was looking for criminal records I was looking for anything anything that I could look for to see like what his sentencing was even if his courts are sealed there should be like a newspaper well you know how you get mad at me cuz oh like conspiracy theories and stuff I don't get mad at you I started your conspiracy theories but yes okay I'm beginning on your dollar conspiracy theory no I don't think maybe this is a conspiracy theory but I think this is very like we're inching toward it okay so I
00:13:55
Speaker
He apparently was on parole for the previous crime. Which again, let's reiterate. Abduction and raping children. Multiple children. He was on probation. I bet if he had three ounces of weed, they'd have locked his butt up. So apparently it never got to his parole officer at that point. And so he was released from his parole in 1976.
00:14:22
Speaker
Yeah. You know what? That's fine with me. I hope her dad knows this new whereabouts. Yeah, no kidding. And this whole thing is so confusing because I feel like it jumped to so many stories. Okay, so it's like, okay, he was arrested. The end. Then we jumped back into a new story and they were like, well,
00:14:39
Speaker
This parole officer never heard of it, so one year later, it's a 77. Oh my gosh. Right? He had been released, right? And so I'm sitting, and like I said, I was looking for everything that I could possibly find. What was the arrest on? What was he convicted of? You know, anything. I have found nothing. And you know what, if you're a better researcher than me, by all means, please email us and let me know, because it bothers me.
00:15:06
Speaker
greatly deeply to my core. So after he was off of his parole, 1977, he claimed to be an FBI agent. He convinced two boys in Shusbury, Mass to get into his car, pretending to be an FBI agent. He took them to a secluded area and basically tortured them.
00:15:28
Speaker
He repeatedly, now this was like an almost 300-pound guy, repeatedly jumped on one of the boy's chests, and he thought he was dead, so he took off with the other boy in his trunk.
00:15:40
Speaker
the boy who had been jumped on, regained consciousness, somehow found the will to get up and find help. Okay? It's not like they're gonna do anything to him again. Yeah. Oh, Massachusetts, you suck in the 50s. Agreed. Agreed. So. I hate it. No, we're not in the 50s anymore. We're in the 70s, late 70s.
00:16:03
Speaker
late seventies. Whenever. You just suck, Massachusetts. You suck. Um, so he found help and, um, with police effort, they found the other boy. Um, both of them were safe and safe as could be. Nathaniel was arrested and finally sentenced to 18 to 20 years. Oh, thank you kind sir. Now at this point,
00:16:27
Speaker
was when, during that prison sentence, was when he changed his name from David to Nathaniel. Now, pause. Is this is when he was just graduating high school? Well, let me go back. So he was... So all these crimes... It was just before he was graduating high school. All these crimes are while he's... From 76, 77, he was like 18, 19-year-old. What a piece of crap. Maybe 20. Maybe 20 if he had one of those five-year degrees in high school. I don't know.
00:16:55
Speaker
Well, he probably stayed in high school as long as he could to be closer to kids. Peace of crap. All right, so sentenced to 18 to 20. Thank God. About time. He changed his name to Nathaniel. Finally. Superior Court Judge Walter Steele.
00:17:12
Speaker
ruled that Massachusetts had failed to prove that Nathaniel was dangerous. What? And he was released. What? Walter Steele. Shame. Shame. I wish I had the shame bell from Game of Thrones. Shame. Heck yeah, bro. Released him? Oh my gosh. I know. I hate Massachusetts. I mean.
00:17:41
Speaker
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you. So he's released back out to harm children again. Yes. Because he's not a danger to society. Yes. Just the minors. Yeah. We had to take a mental health break. No, we couldn't prove that he was dangerous.
00:17:55
Speaker
Yeah, by all the people. That's what good old, let me find his name again, Walter Steele said, could not prove that he was a threat. What about the children he almost killed and raped? Right, how many of them had he tried to strangle at that point? I lost count. Yeah. So during his time at the mental hospital that he was put into for his 18 to 20 years or whatever, he confided in a psychiatrist at that time.
00:18:23
Speaker
that he had fantasized about murdering and cannibalizing children. And we let him out? I think it's hilarious. Is that not funny? He's not a danger to society. He just wants to eat people. Children, I'm done. I was done too, but then I had to keep going because of the podcast. So.
00:18:47
Speaker
They let him go according to a murderpedia. And I'm gonna cite that because I don't, again, I don't know what's true, what's not, what's what, right? Because everything is so secretive. After his release, he attacked another boy and was arrested. And he was released without having to bail out.
00:19:08
Speaker
at all. He had to pay no money whatsoever. He just had to go, just free and clean. And he was offered a bargain. And that bargain was struck that he would move back to where his family was from, which was the great state of Montana. Montana. So Massachusetts said, we'll let you go, but you can't come to our state anymore. Yeah. And like, if that's true. Thanks for giving that to the world, Massachusetts.
00:19:31
Speaker
If it's true, I don't know. Either way, this guy was released how many times? In Massachusetts? And then just, like, go into Rome free. Rome free, buddy. Do what you want to do. Go ahead and take a cross country trip. See how many people you can nab. By all means. Like an Easter egg hunt. We don't want to kill you in Massachusetts, but maybe you'll travel somewhere where they will.
00:19:54
Speaker
Who knows? Oh my gosh. Send him to Tennessee. I'm like, I'm so tired of all of the crimes that we've done where there are so many indicators at a young age, right? Like the one that I was doing. He was eight! He was eight when he started trying to hurt other children. Seven. But how many podcasts have we done at this point where there were so many early indicators that something bad was going to happen, right?
00:20:20
Speaker
And like, whether it was just sexual assault or right, because we had that whole conversation about how we categorize rape. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just so sick, man. It's so twisted. Anyways. I'm sorry. So. So he had to leave Massachusetts. Left Massachusetts. Now we are in Montana.
00:20:42
Speaker
and a 10 year old boy went missing. And now I keep referring, I know the names of these little boys and girls, but I didn't want to add them because as a parent, I don't want their trauma, I don't want their trauma to have that name because they were babies. I mean, we're in the what, late 70s? No baby. What year are we in now?
00:21:08
Speaker
So it could have been anywhere between the moment he was released. So I don't know how many years he actually spent in Massachusetts. But again, he only had to serve
Vigilante Justice in Skidmore
00:21:20
Speaker
20 years. If you're a young adult,
00:21:24
Speaker
you'd be out by the time you're 30. So like on good behavior. He went to jail in the late 70s. So we're talking late 70s, early 80s. These children are still alive. They hopefully have been able to grow past their trauma and have a family. And I don't want their names out there for their kids to hear on a podcast. Absolutely. I agree. If they don't want to share their story, that's their business. Absolutely.
00:21:48
Speaker
That's exactly how I feel. And even if they don't have families in their, you know, in jail or whatever. We always talk about the victim, right? And how the victims need to have names, right? But for me, when it comes to a child, if they're a lot, like you said, if they're alive,
00:22:05
Speaker
They don't want to keep re-hearing this. If they jump on it and they're like, okay, that reminds me of a story I knew. I would like to have the grace of saying, I didn't name names because I don't want to. Anyways, so now in Minnesota, 10 year old boy goes missing. I see in Minnesota or Montana. I'm so sorry, Montana. Thank you. I don't know how to read. Minnesota was mine last time. And this young boy was never seen again.
00:22:32
Speaker
So now he's learned not to leave anything behind. Yeah, it's kind of what I thought. So from what I researched, all the signs were really pointing to Nathaniel, but he was never arrested for that crime. He's not a danger to society. We don't need to look at him. Exactly. No. He said huge leave a sarcasm. No, no, no, no. Let me, let me, before we dig into that rabbit hole, let me finish. Okay.
00:22:59
Speaker
They never heard from the boy again. All the signs have pointed to Nathaniel, but he was never arrested due to the lack of evidence. Of course. In 1999, he was arrested again for impersonating a cop. How many times? How many times? I know. I know. They searched his home, they found pictures of young kids, and they found a bone that was identified as an unknown young male. Wonder who that is?
00:23:27
Speaker
He's a crass. So Montana Police arrested him. They charged him with kidnapping and the sexual assault of three young boys. Thank you, Montana. Please do a better job than your former Massachusetts neighbor. No joke. And so, let's see. They tried to get him on the murder of the 10-year-old, but the mother of the 10-year-old literally testified that she didn't believe he was really dead.
00:23:54
Speaker
And I feel like she can probably let go, and I totally understand that. Oh, yeah. You grieve how you need to grieve. That's fine. Absolutely. And so he was not convicted on the murder of the 10-year-old boy, but he was convicted of the other assaults on those other three boys. Do you see that, Judge Steele? That's how it's done. You convict them over their crimes. You don't say, oh, there's not enough evidence. Cheerio. Right.
00:24:23
Speaker
Jackie Jackie don't know you I know you're saying I know I know I know
00:24:31
Speaker
Christian now He was and he wound up being sentenced to 130 years in prison and he maintained his innocence up until his death, right? So he died in prison there was so much speculation that The ten-year-old boy that he had nothing to do with right. Yeah sure that he had in fact been cannibalized He even mentioned at some point
00:24:57
Speaker
in his previous whatever that he wanted to achieve that, right? So there was a lot, and again, speculation guys, I don't know. I have no idea and there's no proof. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, exactly, there's no proof. So I want to point out that the Montana authorities were unaware of Barr-Jonas criminal record in Massachusetts. Well, I'm sure that nice judge got it sealed. A fact that was cited by the activists campaigning to force
00:25:26
Speaker
former sex offenders to register. So do you remember when we had that conversation about traveling from state to state? Yeah. And whether or not they had to register? Yeah. I feel like this falls into that category. I don't think he was forced to register. Obviously, he got off on everything. Why make him register? He's not a danger to society. If you can keep track of my freaking taxes, you can keep track of these people. If you can keep track of what I talk about, to give me ads on Facebook when I'm not talking to you, then you should be able to track
00:25:55
Speaker
sexual deviance against children and let the whole frickin world know it all. You know for a fact they can. You know the cracker so far up their arse they can't get it out? Yeah. Jam it in their brain with a lobotomy needle? I don't care. I agree. You hurt a child, you lose your right to privacy. Privacy.
00:26:16
Speaker
December 2004, the Montana Supreme Court turned down Barr Jones' appeals, which would be Nathaniel, and upheld the conviction of 130 years sentence. He was found unresponsive in prison in the cell one morning on April 13th, 2008. Hope it hurt. He had been in poor health. That's all it said.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah. He got to live out his little life. Do we know at least if he got beat up a lot in prison? Because it'd make me feel better. It would definitely make me feel better. But again, I love how little is known about some of these cases. How does that judge sleep at night? It's like the ones that you want to hear, right? If I was a parent to any of the children that were hurt after he was released from Massachusetts. I eschewed the
00:27:08
Speaker
I would go hang a picture. I would have, I would have those like picket signs made like, you know, like running when you're running for office and I'd have my child's face plastered on it. And I'd have other signs that said he died because you're an idiot. And I would put it in that judge's yard and
00:27:24
Speaker
In front of his court. Every frickin day I would commit my life to it. No dude, I would straight up be like, vote for me, I release pedophiles. Oh yeah. And I would hang it anywhere. And I would follow him around with the bell and say, SHANG. Oh, I hope that guy never got a good night's sleep the rest of his life. Because he's just as culpable in those crimes because he released. What an idiot.
00:27:49
Speaker
Are you cracking, kidding me? So and this is the thing I was laughing about. So before you got here, me and your daughter were hanging out on the back deck watching Shark Week, right? And they had this like random creature. No, it's nothing to do with Bella. I was just sitting here thinking and then I kind of like interpret it into the story I was about to tell tonight where in Mexico, they had these random shark attacks at this certain place that that never happens, blah, blah, blah. And what's everybody's first response when a shark kills a human?
00:28:20
Speaker
They didn't know it was a human, it was a mistake, there's no fish, I don't know. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about as a community. Oh, they killed a shark. They killed a shark? Yeah. Come on! If a dog bites, especially a child, they put that dog down. I think it's like a two strike rule or whatever, but you put the dog down. So why the heck do we let people hurt our children and say they're not a danger to society? Put them down. Are you kidding me? Come on, he's innocent, right?
00:28:45
Speaker
He's totally innocent, bro. He's totally innocent. We're not even gonna pretend. The sarcasm can't know. No, there's no sarcasm for that. It's literally... Guys, anybody that is up there voting for these people, like, did you vote him? I need to know. Did you vote that guy back at that judge?
00:29:05
Speaker
Was he, did he allowed to keep his job? You don't vote judges, no, but you vote prosecutors, for sure. Like your ADAs and like, yeah. How was he allowed to stay in office? What was his name, Steele, Judge Steele? Yep. What was his first name? I want to say Walter. I think it was a W.
00:29:26
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I wanna say Walter, what a just. But we did on that, on that, that, you're your neighbor, that, that. Yep. Ugh, that is absolutely.
00:29:38
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And guys, I am not naive to the fact that, like, people deserve a second chance. Like, I get that, okay? There are a lot of people that are incarcerated, make a dumb mistake, and they need some kind of guidance, right? Get yourself out of that mindset of, I need to be a criminal, whatever. But come on, man. There are certain crimes, and I'm not saying they're not forgivable. I'm simply saying there needs to be severe consequences for that. Well, I'm a fantastic researcher, apparently, because
00:30:08
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According to the Mizulunian, in December 23, 2000, a prosecutor is accusing Massachusetts officials of dumping a sexual predator and formal mental patient on Montana's doorstep. When it was clear he was a serious threat to children, instead of locking up Nathaniel Barr in 1991 after his third known attack on children, he was released after promising to move with his mother in Montana.
00:30:35
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He was dumped on us. Attorney Brian Light said on Friday, and we are deeply offended by that. Agreed, Mr. Light. Offended? Offended. I was offended by that. Didn't do by that. Well, at least he went public. At least he went public and did something. So it was true.
00:30:51
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Yeah, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health spokesman John Woodison said Friday that two of the agency's psychiatrics urged Judge Walter E. Barr not to release Barjona after 11 years in a mental hospital because they believed he was still sexually dangerous, still released him anyway. Three months later, Barjona assaulted another boy. And that was before he went to Montana. He has left the bench. That was when they said straight up,
00:31:20
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Leave and don't come back. Wow. Wow. Good for Elisa at least Montana. Where'd it go Montana? I like you. Thank you Montana. Massachusetts. Gotta do a little better. You're on strike too. Okay we got Jaws. We got St. Lisa here. Sorry.
00:31:40
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That really makes me mad, and I'm... I was furious, Faith. I was furious. But why would they just release... Like, I mean, I mean, in all seriousness, I'm furious. But why would they keep releasing him? Like, why was there no consequences?
00:31:57
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See, you went on and on earlier about conspiracy theories, but you never, like, breached what you... I've always been a firm believer, and if somebody makes a mistake somewhere, especially when it comes to the justice system, they're gonna be more willing to sweep something under the rug. But in this scenario, like, what was it? Like, I don't know.
00:32:16
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Because I don't feel like anybody did something wrong, not that it was explained or talked about, right? It was just this one judge who was like, no man, just let him go. But all the other types, before that, he was let go. How many times? So that leads me to believe one of two things. One, you yourself, judge, are a sexual predator.
00:32:31
Speaker
Agreed. Or two, you don't know you're up from your down anymore and you should have stepped down a long time ago. You've got two professionals that are treating this guy saying he is sexually dangerous to children. Do not release him and he's like, eh, he'll be fine. He's not going to be in our state. Who cares? Basically is what he said. Yeah. He, the judge could not be reached for a comment in that article I was reading earlier.
00:32:58
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I'll link the article on our Facebook. Yeah, do that. I didn't even see that article. I don't know. I must have been... I only read like a few little... I must have been typing the wrong thing. I just searched for it. I was looking for... I did too. And I was going through all kinds of it. And it was all about the same things over and over again. And a lot of it was what, like in detail, what happened to these kids. And I did not want to get into that. This is an attorney in Montana went public saying the Massachusetts judge messed up.
00:33:28
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and caused children in his county to be mentally, emotionally, sexually scarred. And he's saying, you messed up. You didn't even tell us that you were sending us everything. All right, part two. I'm gonna be 100% off with you. We continued to talk in banter for a good five to 10 minutes about Lisa's horrible, horrible person. And they didn't record any of it.
00:33:55
Speaker
So you missed out on a lot of our opinions and I can't express the true depth of my sorrow because they were judging. They were. They were great. But it's probably better maybe... You did golf on tangent therapy. I did. And you even said I took it too far. I said. Maybe it was a good thing. One, two, four. Who knows? Alright, well I'm taking us to Missouri and I gotta tell you...
00:34:18
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Missouri knows how to get it done. Okay. All right, so I've got a few questions for you. This isn't a fake story about a shark, is it? It's 100% true. All right. So, all right, here's my questions. How do you feel about vigilante justice? What's your opinion on vigilante justice? I mean, I really liked boondock saints. So I'm gonna go ahead and throw that out there. Like in the real world. We're not talking Batman or boondock saints. Like in the real world.
00:34:44
Speaker
I think in the real world, there's too much misconception of who could be innocent and who could be actually truly guilty. And so as just a random American citizen, I'd say it may not be the best idea. Right? Because where do you draw the line? Like when are you committing a crime? Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Again, it's murder. So that's that's bad. I'm getting a thumbs up. Well,
00:35:13
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I want to tell you about a little town called Skidmore, Missouri. Skidmore? Skidmore. Like a skidmark. Like a skidmark. That's kind of where I was going, but I thought you'd smack me. Skidmore does it right, and you will give a standing ovation at the end of the skidmark. Skidmore. Skidmore. Oh my god. Skidmore. So this is a very...
00:35:35
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Take your time to collect yourself. I'm fine. I just think it's funny because you get so worked up when you make a mistake. I do. I just skip over mine because I know I know I'm dumb. So I'm just like, yeah. It's not a big deal. I have to like really point out my mistakes. So, all right. Skidmore, Missouri is a very small farm tailing community.
00:35:55
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According to the 2010 census, a whopping 284 people reside here. Wow. So small. That's a lot of people. Small, small little town, right? A ton, man. So that was 2010 census. We're going all the way back to 1981. Not that far, 40 years, right? So there were like 8? Right, at least 100.
00:36:19
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But this town was at, it was in an internal struggle, like this town struggled hard because of one person. And that's what I'm gonna tell you about tonight. So one person, literally, oh my gosh, this guy, and it's gonna be the same thing as what we talked about a minute ago, like why?
00:36:42
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Seriously? It's the three questions. It's the three questions, guys. Yeah, but you kind of have the answer in this. Let's just get into it. Alright. Ken Rex McElroy was born June 1, 1934, to a family of farmers. Okay. He was the second to last child out of 16 children. Ladies.
00:37:10
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That's the questions you're asking that's a how Like no wonder they didn't know what he was doing 16 that's a classroom you're out of ratio one
00:37:22
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And I'm like, dude, what are you doing? When we went to the beach last week, I had a friend of theirs, Quinn, and I'm like, how do you do it with both of them? I can barely keep them. I want 16. But of course, if you're, I mean, back in the day, if you were a farmer, you have your own lawnmower. No, it's really not that abnormal. But it's still normal. This happened in the 80s. He was born in early 30s. So anyway, so anyway, 15th in line of 16 children, his family moved to the small town of Skidmore when he was very young.
00:37:51
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Around eight years old, he dropped out of school. He was done.
00:37:57
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Now, in my opinion, an eight year old can't drop out of school. And everything I listened to said he dropped out of school and he was eight, but your parents take you out of school. Like they quit bringing you in your eight. And he started to work on the family farm. So it was child labor. Let's just call it what it was. Cause like eight is my kids around about age. So like third grade. No, sorry, second. Try to drop out. I'm bringing your skinny butt every day and you're going to sit outside the building.
00:38:25
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Anyway, so he started working on his family farm. When he was around 18 years old, he was working at a construction site and a gigantic slab of steel fell on top of him. It resulted in multiple injuries with chronic pain for the rest of his life, but it also gave him, guess what?
00:38:45
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Tell me. Severe brain injury. You got a slab of steel. And we've had these from our previous- How many? Just our hour long podcast. How many of these people had severe brain injury? They all have severe brain, yeah. Are in their late teens or so. I mean, anyway, so that is a side note on him, but that doesn't excuse anything we're about to talk about. Nope. So Kendall was described as being a large guy, like he was a big guy. He was over six foot, like six six-ish, 270 pounds.
00:39:16
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And he was a giant bully. Shock it. It was said that it made him feel important when people feared him.
00:39:24
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He loved to intimidate people and often used his size alone to make people feel uncomfortable or conform to what he wanted them to do, his entire life. So he made a living by leasing his land to other people to live on, to farm, I'm not sure, just to lease his land. But he also had a few side gigs. Wanna know what those were? No. I'm gonna tell you anyway. Cool. So he raced dogs.
00:39:48
Speaker
Sure, not legally. He also liked to go and sell livestock grain, alcohol, gasoline, antiques, whatever he could steal from people around him. Awesome. Like legit go steal their property and sell it to other people in this tiny A-town of like a hundred people. I'm sorry, I just feel like it would get back to you that, hey,
00:40:13
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He did it, like... Right? Like, I'm gonna buy this vase from you for $10, because I know Bobby Suge gave that to Julie May on her anniversary. You know what I mean? Like, really? That's a small town to be committing that kind of... To that extent. Oh, he gets worse. So, he was in constant trouble with the law. Yep, chalker. His lawyer, Richard Gene McSaden, estimated that he was charged with the various crimes at a minimum
00:40:42
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of three times per year. He was indicted for over 21 times for harassing, assaulting women, destroying other's property, threatening people's wives, assaulting other community members, and he actually shot two people. Okay, and what, we were in the 30s? No, we're in 80s. Oh. This is 40 years ago. Yeah, but still, even in the 80s, it was like, assault against a woman's really not that big of a deal, right?
00:41:11
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I mean, that's kind of it. Wait, oh, I'm sorry. We're 2,022. It's still not that big of a deal. Okay. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Move off your soapbox there, dear heart. Get off me. So one of the men he shot was a farmer named Romaine Henry. So... Like the lettuce? Yeah. That's how it's pronounced. That's how I typed it. I try to type names phonetically, how I hear them. That way I don't mispronunciate them.
00:41:38
Speaker
But then you can like mispronunciate, mispronounce. So Ken went on to Romaine's private property to steal his stuff. Romaine caught him. Okay. Came outside with a shotgun and yelled at Ken. Shot him in the face. Game over. Nope. Ken shot him in the stomach. So that was that. Wow. Okay. He was not, he was not, he did not go to jail. He did not get indicted.
00:42:04
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He's not convicted. Shocked this man in the stomach when he was on his land stealing his property. So anyway. And his lawyer? Okay. I'm getting a little ahead of myself. I'm getting a little excited. That's alright.
00:42:19
Speaker
Because he was charged so many times, obviously, got off on everything, never actually got charged, just, you know, like he never went to court. He felt he was untouchable. I wonder if like the court system sits back and they're like, I wonder what this guy's like really capable of. No. Like let's just let him go and just see what happens, right? Like we're bored with our lives. Let's just, yeah. Let's try to be in Massachusetts for a week and see what happens.
00:42:48
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So, um, McElroy thought he was untouchable. He bragged multiple times loudly that he could do whatever he wanted because he had a big fancy pants lawyer.
00:43:00
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Also, represented many mob associates. So he was a good lawyer. How this guy afforded him, I don't know, but whatever. Well, maybe there was like, they kind of wanted him under the belt, you know? So apparently he could steal or do anything. That's what I'm saying. So, and that would keep him out of jail. So nobody in that town could touch him. He could do what he wanted. And that was his attitude. That's how he lived his life.
00:43:23
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So on top of having this mob lawyer on his side, he took great joy in intimidating any witness that actually tried to stand against him so that they would not testify. So he would stalk them. He would stalk their families. He'd follow them around town. He would go to their house and just sit outside their house with his shotgun for hours, sometimes all night. Occasionally he'd start shooting his shotgun in the front of their yards until they finally caved and withdrew their complaint or testimony.
00:43:52
Speaker
So he would not be prosecuted. Wow. Now, see, something tells me there's a little something sketch going on there because intimidation of witnesses for the mob and stuff like that were so relevant back in those times. But like, what I'm saying is- But this guy's just a big- You're like, oh, this lawyer is just gonna, I'm gonna represent you pro bono, right?
00:44:13
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We didn't ever say pro bono. We don't even pay them or not. But in actually Missouri, I mean, it borders on Illinois where Chicago is. So that's a valid point. I was just kind of thinking maybe it was somebody they thought they could just kind of bring into the ranks, right? Like we know this guy is weird and twisted. And you need kind of those like phantom people. I want to hope the mob is better than associated with him because you haven't gotten to the worst part of McElroy yet. It's the mob.
00:44:39
Speaker
Are they really beyond being associated with anybody? I wanna feel like they have lines. That would be nice. Alright, let's hear it. Alright, well, I put right here my last statement but I pretty much said it. Get a feeling for this big old piece of crap? Well don't worry, there's more. Nice! So at this point, you're probably wondering. You sounded like one of those infomercials. And wait, there's more! There's one!
00:45:05
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So, you're probably wondering, and you've actually kind of said it, why didn't he just call the police? He shot people, he's still in stuff, he's intimidating witnesses. Well, they did. But the police were not immune to his bullying. They were scared of him. Well, I mean... Because he was always armed with at least one gun, and he did not hesitate to shoot and shoot first, even at the police.
00:45:28
Speaker
which he did shoot at multiple times when they made him mad. So they were literally just afraid of this guy. The cops were just like nancies. Yeah, because no, the towns stood no chance. Like there's not enough people in the town. This guy's obviously the biggest one there. And he's just stomping on the ant hills, watching them scurry to pour gasoline a lot of them on fire like kids. I just kind of feel like a tripwire would be great right now. Right? Well, it would have been great, but we didn't get it. No, continue.
00:45:57
Speaker
He was also a serial rapist. What? Known to molest girls from ages 12 to 14 was his preference. Two of his victims he actually married so they could not testify against him on the rape charges. When they were 13 or 14 years old. But this is the 80's so their parents had to sign off on that. Well see, you know, I put here, you're probably wondering why...
00:46:19
Speaker
Well, right here. So I'm sure the question is why the heck would these girls' parents allow them to marry this monster? They didn't have a choice! One of the girls he married named Trina MacLeod, her parents tried to stop the marriage and stand up to Miguel. They were not, he was not going to marry their 13 or 14 year old daughter that he had raped and got pregnant. So he drove to their house, burned it down and shot their dog and married her anyway. And he was already married to another 12 year old at this point.
00:46:46
Speaker
So at this point, he's got two wives, both of which are 14 at the oldest. He ended up fathering 19 children, not just with them, the other girls that he raped. And the town could do nothing. I mean, he can't, you stand up, he just burned the girl's house down and shot the dog.
00:47:06
Speaker
I feel like if it were me, I'd have shot him in the face and just accepted my consequence. Right? Right? Like... Right? You'd probably get sentenced to a year. I did everybody a service right now. Go ahead. Hang me if you will. Take me to Delaware. So for two years, not two years, I'm sorry, for two decades, this town and the people of that town, as small as it was, lived in fear of this one man.
00:47:29
Speaker
People knew the police and courts could do absolutely nothing because they never did. Like he was not held accountable for his actions. However, on April 25th, 1980, everything changed. So a general store owner named Earned Bowenkamp, he went by Bo, we're calling him Bo. I'm good with that. Had a confrontation with Kemp.
00:47:51
Speaker
The store clerk at his store, her name was Evelyn, she saw Ken's eight year old daughter take a piece of candy off the shelf and put it in her pocket. And so Evelyn went to the little girl and said, you either need to put the candy back or you need to pay for it because that's stealing, you know, polite society. Well, Ken found out about this and was pissed.
00:48:15
Speaker
So he got in a truck with his shotgun, drove over to Beau's house and started stalking this guy. Stalking this guy's family. He sat outside their house with a shotgun, shooting it off in front of his wife. This guy's wife, Beau's wife. And the terror continued for this poor family for three straight months he did this because
00:48:36
Speaker
A store clerk, not even vote, a store clerk said, hey sweetie, you either need to put it back or pay for it. Yeah. All this stalking and- He was on their property. That's why I like the South. Then you shoot him. Yeah. Bye. Why no one did it at this point? I don't know. I shot him, put the gun down and said, you're welcome to society and just raised my hands to get cuffed. Like, honestly.
00:49:02
Speaker
Well, all this came to a head on July 8th, 1980, when Ken went to the general store, went down the back alley, behind the store, and threatened Beau, after stalking and terrorizing his entire family. He then pulled out his shotgun, close range, and shot Beau in the neck. What? Oh my gosh. A shotgun. Let me guess. Nothing happened. Beau lived.
00:49:26
Speaker
What? Bo lived. And Bo didn't press charges, did he? He did. Oh! Ken was arrested and charged with attempted murder. He made bail, obviously, and was released back into the public, obviously, while being able to get his trial pushed back. But you shot a guy in the neck. In the neck. In the neck. So for five months. He was free for five months until his trial.
00:49:50
Speaker
So he started back up with a typical intimidation of Beau's family. With reports stating he would sit outside their house in his truck staring at them all night long through the entire night. Why this guy's got a shotgun wound in his neck. Yeah. During the five months, the lead prosecutor on the case that was going to be charging Ken resigned. Wonder why.
00:50:14
Speaker
There were rumors and whispers that Ken threatened and intimidated him and all this other nonsense. So the guy was finally like, I'm done. I'm out. I resign. I retire. I'm out. I'm moving to Massachusetts. So you, sir, are a sissy. No, no, no. I'm glad he left because that made way for them to hire David Baird, who was a young Baird.
00:50:41
Speaker
Not there. You need to learn how to enunciate. Anyway, David was a young go get them three years tops out of law school like he's going to do it. And he was going to be the one to take down Ken Rex McElroy.
00:51:01
Speaker
So June 5th, 1981, David Baird was able to do what literally no one else has done, and McElroy was convicted of second-degree assault. So you didn't really respond to that, so I'm going to repeat it one more time. Unless our kids interrupted and we had to pause.
00:51:18
Speaker
So David Baird was able to get McElroy convicted on second degree assault charges. Actually, like jail time. Did you hear the charge? Second degree assault. Not attempted murder for shooting someone in the neck with a shotgun.
00:51:33
Speaker
oh my god but which i was pissed off at first i mean it's obviously attempted murder you shot him in the neck with a shotgun you were trying to kill him right like there's no there's no question like i okay time out so if somebody shot you in the neck and you survived yeah you know that person shot you in the neck they were trying to kill you yeah that's attempted murder and then no no i'm not talking about in the judicial system i'm talking about
00:52:00
Speaker
between me and you and our podcast fellers and ladies. So Lisa's mom. Oh yeah. It took me a second. It did take you a second. Sorry. These are crazy.
00:52:17
Speaker
If his biggest charge was, would you say? Second degree assault. Second degree assault, which is not even like assault assault, right? It's just like. Very minor. It's like kind of a threat almost, right? Yeah, right. I think that I'd be like, okay, cool. You're guilty and you get parole. And then I'm gonna find you. Oh yeah. And I'm gonna take you out. Once my neck kills and I can breathe on my own again. I don't even think I wait that long. No.
00:52:46
Speaker
All you did is one good weapon. Why would you be scared of him? You got a pistol, you shoot him in the head. It's not, this is not- Rocket Science. Freaking Jason, okay? This is not Freddy Krueger. He is not coming back from the dead. Right. Well, David, the prosecutor, actually, he wanted to get the conviction against McElroy.
00:53:07
Speaker
And he knew McElroy had never been convicted. He knew he had this fancy pants lawyer. So to make sure that he was convicted and the conviction stuck, he agreed to lower the charges just so the jury would find him guilty and he would get him there because if not... No, he just wanted him off the street. Exactly.
00:53:26
Speaker
So it was a win no matter what. Unfortunately, it was a maximum sentence of only two years, but it's still two years. But to add insult to the entire town, the judge, who obviously studied under your judge in Massachusetts, set a bond of around $40,000 and allowed him to be released until he could file an appeal. So even though he was convicted and supposed to go to jail for two years, the judge was like, man, you can appeal it. Just go ahead and go free until you appeal it. You won't leave.
00:53:56
Speaker
You got too many girls here to rape, and children to father out of those. So is it just states that start with M? No, Montana did a good job. Montana did do a good job. Sorry. I'm trapped. Even though he's convicted, he's back on the streets yet again. And this is a direct statement from Ken McElroy.
00:54:15
Speaker
The jury convicted me and gave me two years, but I'll never go to jail. I'll appeal and get off. I've been fighting the law since I was 13 and I'm damn near over 50. I've been arrested for over 53 felonies and never been convicted. I am not going to jail. That's his words. And that was his attitude. And that's what this town lived with day in, day out.
00:54:43
Speaker
After he was released, like the very moment he was released, from court, from being convicted of second degree assault. I know I'm trying to jump to the end. I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut because I'm about to ask you a question. I feel like I'm going to ruin everything. All right. So like the very moment he's released from being convicted of second degree assault, McElroy was seen at a local bar, D&G Tavern, with a rifle that had a bayonet attached to it.
00:55:11
Speaker
That's like wartime, like World War II kind of thing. Yeah, he had that. After being convicted of secondary assault, he is sitting in public in a bar with a freaking bayonet bragging about how he's gonna go kill Beau. Wow.
00:55:28
Speaker
And the cops were called and they arrested him, brought him back to jail, and he was just released. Just like that. Nothing. Honestly, if it's illegal, I'm not going to justify this. Somebody needs to put a bull in his head. Right? Sorry.
00:55:44
Speaker
I tried to be the devil's advocate on that one, but I just don't know. Well, July 10th, 1981, the town decided they were done. They called a town meeting at the Legion Hall that was right down the street from D&G Tavern. And I'm thinking this town meeting is straight out of Stars Hollow from Gilmore Girls with Taylor up there with his little mallet and Lorelei making fun of him. That's my thing. And that's kind of how I feel like it goes at points. Because 60 residents of this town attended.
00:56:12
Speaker
which included the town's mayor and the town sheriff to try to see what they could legally do to prevent McElroy from hurting anyone else, from trying to kill anyone else, or from raping their children. Wow. So Sheriff Dan Estes suggested that they start a neighborhood watch program. That was the sheriff isn't and I let you know the podcast and the guy that was the story was like
00:56:37
Speaker
He's the sheriff. Isn't he supposed to be the neighborhood watch? Like, like sometimes I really am stunned into silence more because like, there are a lot of things that you don't want me to say. No, I can, I can vouch for that. So I'm going to keep my mouth shut again. And we're going to watch this go. Yeah. So I want you to, I want you to think about this. Yeah. Neighborhood watch guys. Yeah. You are sitting in a town meeting with all your neighbors, all your townspeople.
00:57:06
Speaker
And you're trying to think of a way to stop a raving lunatic from robbing, maiming, assaulting, trying to kill and hurt your neighbors. He's raping the young girls of your town, forcing them to bear his children, marry him. He's trying to kill two different people in broad freaking daylight. And the sheriff looks around and says, well, neighborhood watch should do the trick.
00:57:29
Speaker
Well, in the Cobb's defense, he can't outright say, I will pay you. And I will do the best that I can to get you off if you just put a bullet in this guy's eye. Right? What would you feel like if you were sitting in that town's meeting? That's what I said, I feel like Taylor. I would feel like I would have to take it upon myself to end this. Right?
00:57:55
Speaker
So, and again, again, you don't know what you're gonna do in a situation when it occurs. I'm moving. Like, I'm out of that two horse town and I'm going elsewhere. This is the 80s, this was only 40 years ago this discount, let's do this. But I feel like if you just had like one opportunity where Guy did something like, he shot dude in the neck, so that's probably not something you can recover from immediately and hurt him.
00:58:23
Speaker
Right? But like, if you walked in on him doing something to your kid and you blasted him, I feel like they'd just be like, not guilty. Bam! Apparently, that's what the town does. So, the meeting's over. They have no answers. But they did find out that Ken and his wife, Trina, you know, the 14-year-old that he, he masked, he burnt down her family's house, killed her dog. I married her. Yeah. She's 24 now, and they're getting a drink in the tavern, DNG, right down the street. And collectively, the town snapped.
00:58:54
Speaker
The 60 people walked right down to the tavern, waited outside till he finished his beer. They let him and his wife get in his truck. He lit a cigarette, hand on his shotgun, blow and smoke out the window while all 60 of these people are standing there.
00:59:10
Speaker
And the next thing you know, shots are fired. A man named Jack Clement grabbed the wife, Trina, drug her to safety. And looking back, Ken at age 47 remained dead in his car being shot in the head multiple times. Don't feel bad. Bullet casings from two different guns were found at the scene. And with 60 witnesses all standing around,
00:59:32
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No one called an ambulance. No one came forward to say, this is who did it. Nothing, except his wife, Trina, who I feel like probably had Stockholm syndrome at that point and was probably beaten daily. The only suspect in the murder was Del Clement. He was known- Let me guess, he got sentenced to death, right? He was known and described as having a very short temper. He liked his booze. He carried a gun at all times, but he didn't really cause any problems. Like he was no kin.
01:00:02
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He just had a bad temper. No one pointed a finger at him. No one blamed him. He was just like the most likely person during all the investigations. However, he was never charged for the murder. And up until his deathbed at 2005,
01:00:18
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Even on his deathbed, Dell denied to be the one to pull the trigger. Not a single person ever came forward to give any information on this crime, on the shootings that happened that day, even though 60 people, including the mayor and the sheriff, all witnessed it. The FBI got involved in the case and tried to investigate.
01:00:39
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This case has gone in front of three different grand juries, but due to the lack of town cooperation, there has never been a single indictment. This small town took it upon themselves to execute a crap bank.
01:00:55
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His wife did file a $6 million wrongful death lawsuit, settled outside of court for $17,600. But to this day, July 14th, 2022, there has never been anyone charged with this crime and none of those 60 people have ever narked or ratted out anyone else. Way to go, skin warmers. I knew you'd love this story. I was like, oh. But at the beginning- Round of applause. At the beginning, you said you did not believe him until Auntie Justin. No, no, I said. I did not what I said.
01:01:24
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I said it's hard to take into consideration what somebody's warped mind. No, we're considering this. This is justified. Yeah. This is okay. If they had signed the petition, they didn't bring it to court. They signed it. That's why. Screw the court. I heard a story like a month ago and I was like, Oh my gosh.
01:01:52
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They were like, you know what? Screw the petition. We signed it in our head. We all agree. And I really want to know in that town, meaning if the sheriff's like, you know what? One of you shoot him and I won't see a thing. I won't see a thing, dude. The mayor, the sheriff, they're all there. They go out, shoot him with 60 people staring broad daylight. Nobody saw a thing. Nobody saw a thing? Nobody saw it. Nobody. It's brilliant. 42 years. Brilliant. They kept their traps shut. They never broke.
01:02:18
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There's been like documentaries on this, literally documentaries. No, no, no, are you ready? And I'm going to Padre Ophelios. Like they've done interviews, like his kids, obviously that was their dad. They were upset. I'm sure. I'm sorry. I get that. Okay. Yeah. At the same time, like he was a crack man. You are ridding the world of a predator.
01:02:41
Speaker
Your guys should have gotten, the community should have come together against him a long time before they did. I agree. But yeah, so Skidmore, Missouri, they know how to frickin' do it. You know what, though? I'm sitting here thinking like, oh, well, the judicial system kind of makes sense now.
01:02:59
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Because if it were left up to the community in any way, shape, manner, or form, none of these people would survive. Yo, that's what Skidmore said. Can you imagine 60 different people knowing it, seeing it, and nobody ever uttering a word? 42 years, and everyone is bringing it to their grave. That's amazing. I know. I hope it's a family legacy all of them share, and they're like, hey.
01:03:25
Speaker
your grandfather did it you die with this secret this is the hill you die on you tell no one like this is it 42 years no one said anything it's the best it's not funny but it's like funny it's a sense that like
01:03:48
Speaker
There was pure, unequivocal justice, right? For a guy that you knew, 130 million percent guilty. He bragged about it. Bragged about it. And said, the court can't touch me. No, the court can't, but we can. Normal citizens on the other hand. Shocked fantastic citizens. Actually two, two for themselves. But yeah.
01:04:10
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They just said, enough's enough, bro. Ham, you're out. We voted. The town doesn't want you. We're not certain our problem else. We're like, Massachusetts. We take care of our business. You're leaving the island, bro. You are the weakest link. They were voted off. It was fantastic. It was amazing. I knew you would love that. That's amazing. So that is my birthday gift to you. It's not a horrible story, but one that you would sincerely. I mean, it was a crappy story because all these people had to get injured before something happened. But like, at the end of the day. But the town did it.
01:04:38
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I was gonna say at the end of the day, like, these people were like, you know what? And I bet none of them lost an ounce of sleep. I bet not even a little bit. They probably all at their doors unlocked. They probably were like leaving windows open because they were like, he's gone. We can do what we want. Hey, Jill, you can walk to school now. Hey guys, want to camp outside?
01:05:01
Speaker
You don't need, you don't have to like guard your child with every fiber of your beam because there's a known terrorist basically. Predator, yeah. They could keep the possessions they bought, they could keep them and not have to buy them back a second time. You know one of my favorite episodes of like Chrono Minds, SVU, all those, is when the perpetrator just gets shot in the face. And then
01:05:28
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there's really yeah yeah there's no like court anything like even okay even in scary movies like if I watch a scary movie even if I know it's fake like I can't
01:05:40
Speaker
Stop until the end and God forbid they do not kill that guy off. I'm done. Like I have to keep watching until they kill him off. Not go to jail because you can get out of jail. I have to see their brains like exploded or I'm, I'm messed up and thinking Jigsaw's going to come after me because that movie went on for like 10 fricking movies and no one ever killed him off. And even when you thought they killed him off, he came back.
01:06:06
Speaker
This was like right when we met maybe I don't remember I don't remember when the first saw movie came out But I remember we all as a collective group like we called ourselves the college kids, right?
01:06:18
Speaker
And we once saw that movie, and you and me after we got out, I ended up staying the night at your house that night. Yeah, because I needed a partner. I couldn't be alone. But we made all the boys that we were with check your blazer. Yeah. No, was it the Blazer? Yeah, the Blazer with the no smoking sign on the top. I had a lot in cars. I'm a really bad driver.
Horror Movies and Personal Fears
01:06:39
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It was. I'm not even one. But okay, so like, do you remember the movie The Ring?
01:06:44
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I used to, I laughed my way through that movie. That movie drove me crazy. No, I was terrified. And I was asleep one night in my bed, which I'm going to be a hundred percent honest. My husband used to travel sales up until like two years ago for work. And when he left, I would stay at my mom and dad's house or I slept with lights on because I was a scaredy pants and I'm so scaredy pants. So I always kept like a light on when I slept.
01:07:09
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So when the rain came out, I was asleep in my room and this guy that I was been best friends with forever, you know, obviously just in love with him, he was a jerk, shocker. But he and our other friend snuck into one of my closets before I went to bed and they kept turning my TV on the static. Oh my God. And they turned the volume up so it kept coming on and I was losing my freaking mind terrified. I did not care for that, you're a jerk.
01:07:37
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I feel like I was the grudge. I forgot you're the ring. I don't remember the one with the video either. I need to see someone die or they can come back. Yeah. Those movies never really bothered me. The saw movies drove me crazy because I feel like they were giving somebody a really good idea. Oh, I can, I can come up with a hunt. I can watch any episode of criminal minds and be like, well, this is what they should have done to torment them worse. I got a dark. You're crazy. This is why I talk about two crimes. So it is, I don't know. But anyway,
Missouri Pride and Justice Musings
01:08:07
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Yay, Missouri. Yay. So proud of this small town. Yay, Missouri. I know. And I'm so glad that like the state themselves didn't go after them. They couldn't because none of them would know. They all kept their mouth shut. That's right. Snitches get stitches, boo. Snitches do. You ask my kindergartner, she'll tell you. Snitches get stitches. That's what she said. Snitches get stitches. She told me I could bet in daycare once. She said, she should get stitches. And I was like, oh.
01:08:33
Speaker
Now you're swearing and threatening. Great. That's great. Yeah, we're kicked out. That's great. I blended on you. They all knew you were. And I was like, her aunt's a bad influence. They probably all laughed, honestly. They agreed. Yeah. So well, that's my story. And I'm at 36 minutes. What? What? I actually kept it under an hour tonight. That's good. Good story. I was just going to say it was a great story. Under an hour? True story? You're welcome.
01:09:01
Speaker
You know what I hate? What? That my guy died in prison, and your guy had a... a... a wench mob after him. Absolutely. I love Skidmore. If it wasn't so small, I'm boring out of your chair. Here's the thing. Here's my logic. I'm gonna get crazy for a second. You might need to edit this out. I'm gonna... Dev, do I need to pause it and not tell you it's paused again? No. No. But, if it's one person, you're not gonna get away with it.
01:09:32
Speaker
But if a society went after one criminal, and killed them, you cannot prosecute all of them. No, that's basically what they said. That's what I'm saying! Pick which one, you'll never know. Alright guys, now we have a new law. That's wrong, please, nope, nope. Somebody out there might believe that. That's not true. That's not true. No.
01:09:53
Speaker
It's a good idea though. It's just frustrating when you're somebody who's the bystander, right? Yeah. And like all the cases that we've watched just Tennessee and all the things that we researched. Even the ones we're talking about, we're like, you know where this is going. Yeah. And to be a bystander and sit there and think they actually found this guy guilty and then said, oh, your sentence is like a year and a half, right? Yeah.
01:10:23
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I don't- You get out on good behavior. You're in jail because you just, like, raped five children. There is no good behavior to be had. Hope you got beat every day. Yeah, there was nothing around the guy that attempted. They should- They should send all-tiled criminals
01:10:39
Speaker
To Skidmore. That for the child? Prison should be. Remember our prison thing? Yes, yes. It should be in Skidmore. I don't know. I've been watching a lot of Shark Week. And I found a couple of good places we should build a prison. And just leave them there. And if they escape, they die. That's it. That'd be Skidmore. That'd be great. Get out. The town's waiting. That would be the prison's motto.
01:11:04
Speaker
We have to import workers because the Skidmoreans will take care of you. I love Skidmore.
Surprising Execution Methods and Episode Wrap-up
01:11:10
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Anyway, that was my story. So that's it. The end. That was great. I know. I like that a lot. This and Jaws are my favorite so far. Just because they're, you know, they don't leave you sad and depressed like yours did. I don't know, dude.
01:11:25
Speaker
One of my guys hung. No, I just meant your story like tonight. Oh, tonight, okay. I did not care for that. So really, if you don't know what I'm talking about, go back and listen to our Delaware episode. Yeah. Because I had no idea that in 1996, they were still hanging people. Yeah, I think about it all the time. We were all kind of, uh, befuddled by that. Yep. But, uh, yeah, thanks. Kudos. Kudos. Well, hope you guys liked it. We're gonna go...
01:11:51
Speaker
I don't know what we're going to do. I'm probably going to pack up and go to bed, but let's act like we're exciting. And so we're going to go do some fun. Yeah, we're going to go like swim at the lake. No, we're not. I don't get like their snakes. So. Oh, yeah, the sharks.
01:12:04
Speaker
in the crocodile. We're going to go watch Sharkfest, actually, by what we're going to do. But I'm going to post some pictures this week on Facebook and Instagram. All that will be in our show notes. I'm going to post the link to the story from Lisa's story, where my channel was like, ah, Massachusetts, you suck. Massachusetts, yes. But I want to send you a picture of my guy with that huge trash stash.
01:12:31
Speaker
Okay, and like I know that like it's like the thing now, but guys come on dude. Did it because they pulled it off in Top Gun does not mean it should be like a fashion story. No it wasn't. It was not pulled off in Top Gun either. You look at somebody like that with just the random like you know.
01:12:48
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Just the regular stash the dirty lip. They have a dirty dirty lip. It's a trash stash Yes, and everyone around you thinks you're just from them the molester. That's yeah That is a term and my child has to go potty if you heard that yeah, all right Well, that's our those are our stories job great week. Have a great week Hope you're having a great summer and we'll talk to you soon next episodes coming soon. Bye