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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Hawaii & Idaho
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The summer road trip continues tonight with Hawaii & Idaho.
Hawaii 1:35 - 47:26 Faith is taking us to a beautiful location, with a dark stain in the way of Lisa Au and the heartbreak her family suffered.
Idaho 47:32 - end Lisa is telling a dark story of James Edward Wood and the horrors he committed against Jeralee Underwood (Please note - there are sever trigger warnings during this episode, so please take care while listening to this episode)
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Transcript
Introduction and Summer Road Trip Series
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, good afternoon, morning, evening, hot, hot summer day. Hot summer day. Thanks for tuning in to Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And we are continuing on our summer road trip. So, rock, paper, scissors. Hell yeah. I've lost, what, every time now since the first time I won you? Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
00:00:30
Speaker
Boy, I got one. Got one. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. All right. I won. And guess what, guys? Guess what I didn't start with? You started with scissors again.
00:00:47
Speaker
I just, I just wasn't quick enough. Like I was, I was so tired. I thought I started with rock every time. You don't even remember the conversations that we had a day ago. I don't either. This is ridiculous. All right. Okay.
Lisa's Disappearance and Initial Investigation
00:01:00
Speaker
Well, this is Faith and I'm going to start first with Hawaii.
00:01:06
Speaker
I apologize for that. All those who had to hear it. Listen, all I want to do is go to Hawaii. Okay. Come on. Not picking on anybody. I'm just freaking jealous. I would love to go to Hawaii. My whole family went to Hawaii last year besides me and Frankie and I was pissed.
00:01:27
Speaker
Alright, anyway. I guess we know who the black sheep of that family is. I am going to go back in the way back machine as per usual. How way back are we going? We are going back around 30 plus years, almost 40 years to January 1982. January 1982, where we're starting was a really stormy, rainy night. And candy.
00:01:58
Speaker
is sitting at her house alone, and since her roommate is out for the night, she has the place herself. She's just gonna relax, read a book, watch some Netflix, whatever she wants to do, and then do nothing. You said it was 80-something, there's no Netflix. You know what I mean, or whatever she's gonna do. I said read a book first. Just whatever you do in the 80s to relax, you're by yourself. Well, not Netflix. Okay. Not Netflix, but however you chilled back then by yourself, that is what Candy is doing.
00:02:25
Speaker
Around 1245 that night, she gets a call from her roommate, Lisa Al, letting her know that she just finished dinner with her boyfriend, Doug, at his sister-in-law's house, or at Doug's sister's house in Honolulu. And she's going to head back to the apartment.
00:02:40
Speaker
Candy tellers to be careful driving safe home because it's literally storming like cats and dogs, whatever your expression is. Yes. And they get off the phone. Candy goes to bed knowing that in good driving conditions, it's going to take Lisa about 30, 35, 40 minutes to drive back home. So the storm is going to take longer and it's already late. So she's going to go to sleep just to work in the morning.
00:03:06
Speaker
However, in the morning, when Candy wakes up, she finds Lisa never made it home. Poor Lisa. Yeah, I know. But while it's odd, Candy's really not that worried. It was storming super bad. It is an island. So Candy probably just decided to stop by her parents' house, stay at her boyfriend's house, something like that. The two work together at the salon, so she'll see Candy at work. No big deal. She goes about her morning and gets ready.
00:03:32
Speaker
Candy does, however, start to worry when Lisa is a no call, no show to work. Lisa is pretty reliable, unlike you, and is usually always there. That's a lie! Who do you call when you need something? Typically you. Yeah. Yeah. You heard it here first, people. All 10 of you.
00:03:59
Speaker
Well, candy starts to panic. And so she calls Lisa's parents to see if they've heard from Lisa. She calls Lisa's boyfriend to see if they've heard from her. Nobody has heard from her at all. So they decide immediately they're going to start looking for Lisa's boyfriend. Doug gets in his car and starts driving the route. Lisa would have taken to her home.
00:04:21
Speaker
Immediately does it like no pass go like gets in the car and starts driving to see if maybe she went off the road in the storm She's hurt. She's injured that type of deal, right? Around 12 30 p.m. Doug is Driving this road and he sees her car on the side of the highway It's just parked on the side of the highway It's about a mile and a half mile and a half from her and candy's apartment and it's about one mile from her parents house and
00:04:48
Speaker
And it's on the side of the road. It's not wrecked. So he goes to the car, but Lisa's not there. Doug decides to call the police first. He's not going to call her parents or candy. They've already all spoken. Nobody knows who Lisa is. So he's gonna call the police and let them know he's failing the car, file a missing persons report, that type of thing.
00:05:10
Speaker
So that's what he does. He tells the police she's wearing yellow shorts, a blue shirt. He gives them details about their night together, where they went to eat. She was 19 years old. 19. 19. Sorry, I'm mouthed how old she was, because I feel like I missed that completely. Sorry. I did not say it, so. I was just curious, just based on relevance, like people checking in on people. You know what I mean? Yeah, but remember, it's the 80s. So there's no cell phones. There's no text.
00:05:41
Speaker
So he tells the police about all their shops, went to his sister's house, there was no fights, nothing happened, nothing was suspicious, like he doesn't know what's going on. So the police get there and they look over Lisa's car and there's a few things that immediately stand out to the officers, right? Number one. She's not there. That, okay. Number one. I'm sorry. Lisa is missing. Number two, her car's dead.
00:06:09
Speaker
the lights and the windshield wipers are still in the on position obviously nothing's happened keys are in the car they do later jump start the car and it starts up just fine like it was just left sitting there with the lights and the wipers on and just died like battery yeah the battery died number two then it would lead me to believe maybe she pulled off the side of the road because it was just too stormy right
00:06:34
Speaker
You would think so, maybe. Oh, OK, sorry. I'm just guessing. Second thing the police notice is that the driver's side window is rolled down a few inches. Remember, it's pouring rain, so the whole driver's side of the car is soaked. Even the back seat, there's actually puddles in the floorboards, which makes fingerprinting right now impossible because everything's wet. Inside the car, they find Lisa's purse, a package, and some extra clothes that were also in her car.
00:07:04
Speaker
So if her car, like if she was having car trouble and she got out to walk the mile to her parents, these are things she obviously would have taken with her, right? Right. She did not. They're still there. Finally, the police noticed that the purse is dry, even though all the interiors wet. And they go through the purse. Her wallet is still inside. There's nothing missing at all except her driver's license.
00:07:28
Speaker
The final piece of evidence that makes police kind of leery and questionable about this whole situation is as they're checking the car, they check the glove box, and when they do, the car's registration is also missing. And I'm sure this is the time where the police investigators all gave each other that look because they all know what it looks like for only her ID and her registration to be missing.
00:07:56
Speaker
Who's the type of person that asks for license and registration? The police. Or at least someone pretending to be a police officer. Yes. Correct. So the idea that someone is impersonating a police officer is something that is not new to the investigators. They've had several complaints over the last two years about a man on this highway who's pretending to be a police officer in order to get women to pull over alone at night.
00:08:20
Speaker
While up to this point, no one has been killed or missing. There was an incident a few months previous. It turned out violent when the person that was pulled over by the fake police officer was just a thinner, smaller built man with long hair instead of a woman. And the police officer went a little postal. Okay. But he wasn't actually a police officer.
00:08:41
Speaker
So with the missing documents and no clue where Lisa is, the working theory is she was abducted around 1 AM, 1 1 30 by someone who is pretending to be a police officer. And they are pretty sure that she's in some serious trouble. Can I, can we just have a talking point for a second? So I've heard of a couple of stories at this point of like, I know it like pops up on Facebook from time to time of people pretending to be cops and like,
00:09:08
Speaker
Nowadays, you can even buy like flashing lights. Oh, yeah, you could buy them then. So like my question is. I mean, aside from the stating the obvious, like it's a state trooper or its highway patrol or sheriff, even written on the side of the car, but like under cover, you can get like machine. I can cut whatever decal I want.
00:09:34
Speaker
As long as I have a picture of the emblem, I can I can cut the entire police logo and everything. You got printers that will scan it like you can make a member just last week. That crazy husband that put his wife in the wood chipper. Yeah. Outfitted that car to look exactly like a police cruiser. Well, I guess that's my question is like if you're just this like 19 year old and you're not really breaking the law and don't have any idea why you actually got pulled over. Why would you pull over?
00:10:02
Speaker
Well, and it's always this risk that you have to take. Well, and I've it's been drilled in my head since I was young, like first start driving. If you're pulled over alone at night and you have any question you put on your flashers.
00:10:14
Speaker
and you drive slower and you go to a well populated area. You go to a gas station that has people out there, you go, because you're allowed to do that. Now, especially, you can call a non-emergency, our emergency,
Public and Media Response to Lisa's Case
00:10:27
Speaker
and make sure that there's a police in the vicinity and they will check and radio and tell you, yes, that is badge number, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So who has time to do that if they're being pulled over? Well, you put on your flashers and you slow down and you do it if you're a woman alone at night, getting pulled over.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah, but nowadays you, you risk getting yanked out of your car because they think you're suspicious. And that's exactly that was, I listened to a podcast on this and that's what they said, especially minorities. They've got to be afraid.
00:10:52
Speaker
with everything going on in the world right now, but every state has different laws and the ACLU has these traffic laws broken down by state and they can tell you what your rights are. If you're allowed to put on flashers and drive slow, are the number to call? And I suggest every woman has that in her phone as like a saved speed dial where you can call. Cause if you're driving, like we drive alone, like we, when we go on vacation, we drive overnight so the kid sleeps obviously.
00:11:21
Speaker
She talked my ear off the whole way here, just 10 minutes to your house. Then I want to put my head through the window because she talks and she asks questions and she answers herself. Then she argues with herself and you got to sit there and listen the whole time because you don't know when you're going to be called upon to talk. So, but if I'm driving at night and I get the blue lights after, especially with how much true crime and SVU type of things I watch, there's no way I'm just going to pull, especially if my kids in the backseat. I try to speed up because our area is very like hilly.
00:11:52
Speaker
You know, so like speed up real fast and duck into a neighborhood. I'm not suspicious of anything, but I can't afford a speeding ticket. I am not. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. She's not Lisa. L I S A. She's the one that runs from the cops, not faith. Listen, listen, I do not actually run from the cops. It was a joke. It was a terrible joke. Clearly.
00:12:15
Speaker
All right. You can continue. That was just a kind of talking point. I wanted to hit real fast just because there are ways it can be intimidating. It can be. And I have put on my flashers and slowed down because the flashers let them know that you've seen them and you drive. Like I'm on the interstate. I drive. I get off an exit that I can see things. I go to a well populated gas station. I've done it once before. And the police officer had no problem with that.
00:12:38
Speaker
but you have to protect yourself. So, over the next few days, there are several people who volunteered to help for Lisa. In the meantime, her car is dried out, so the police are able to dust everything for prints. And at this point, they find something a little odd. Again.
00:12:57
Speaker
So we're on like on object number six in this car. Right. Lisa's car has been totally cleaned and wiped down. There is not a single fingerprint or piece of evidence which would again lead you to believe that it's a professional or at least somebody knowing enough professional isms. But I know what to do. Yeah. Now, in today's world, we all have the
00:13:24
Speaker
We all watch the criminal minds. Yeah. We know what it is. But back in the 80s, they didn't have that kind of information. I don't feel like as readily available. No, I was just born in like late 80s. So yeah, I don't even know.
00:13:35
Speaker
Yeah, they're right. So Lisa's parents asked their church for help and around 100 volunteers show up and they search everywhere. These people are on foot going down the highways, golf courses, hiking trails, trails that aren't hiking, literally everywhere there is, but there's just nothing to be found. It's like she completely vanished. Can I intervene one more time? Intervene as much as you like. Okay, cool. So guys, when it comes to stuff like that, I know a lot of people
00:14:04
Speaker
have lives and it's, you know, desperate times for desperate measures. But if something pops up on your feed or something like that, where a kid or a person is being searched for, get up and go. It's the easiest way to be involved. It's not even the easiest way to be involved. It's the fastest way to try and get somebody found if you know the area they're located in, especially when it comes to a kid in a wooded area. But I'll tell you in today, like today, because of, I mean, I give a lot of shade on social media.
00:14:34
Speaker
Um, but that is one great thing about social media. They put out a call and everybody fricking shows up. Absolutely. And they are all boots on the ground. There was a kid, it was like a month ago here locally. Um, at night you texted me, I was at Thursday and I was at dinner with my mom and Bella. And I was about to go. And there was a little boy that had gone missing, um, near a highway and very traffic interstate. There is a lot of wooded areas in East Tennessee.
00:15:00
Speaker
And by the time i told my mom and went like my facebook had blown up by like twenty five different people i knew who were there and one girl posted that he'd been found. Yeah i was literally packing my bag and heading out there myself anyways so and it's like okay small community small world i actually knew the person through my kids football team.
00:15:22
Speaker
Person that went to their church and then faith you you were like roundabout involved as well because your sister-in-law Yeah, yeah, and it was so it was just it's odd but at the same time like news travels fast But when seconds count like just get up and go it you know what I mean Because you would want people to get up and go if it was your life absolutely Absolutely, you know, I'm just saying guys. I'm sorry, but you're right. They go
00:15:46
Speaker
So four days later on January 25th, the police take a helicopter and do an aerial search of a local swamp and they scan the ground. They look for however long they're up there in this helicopter and there's still nothing.
00:16:01
Speaker
So at this time, they have been in the air, the ground, cars, everything. There's literally not a single trace of Lisa. As you can imagine, the news is all over this case in the search. They're talking to friends, they're talking to families, to volunteers, out searching, they're talking to the police. And while the family keeps praying for Lisa's safe return, they're trying to find her, they hope she's not hurt, every single police officer that talks to the media talks about Lisa as if she's already dead.
00:16:31
Speaker
They never mentioned her coming home safely of finding her for example one and one detective that was interviewed by the Honolulu Star Bulletin stated and this is a direct state in quotations if Her body was dumped that night and the rain could have washed her body down a stream into the swamp Wow, that's nice But if this is just for four or five days after so why would you well not even that dude, but like who why would you I?
00:16:55
Speaker
say it like that but they all talked about her like she was dead so what do they know that everyone else doesn't know i would agree with that but at the same time like you want doctors to have bedside manner how about the popo right you know what i mean but usually the police are talking about we're searching this area this is the areas we've canvassed like this is what we're looking for not
00:17:17
Speaker
She's dead. So in other words, we've got some backseat information that we're not telling anybody. That's what it honestly, that's what it seems like, especially with all these other inconsistencies with the crime scene that we already know about. Right. So I just and we kind of hit on it. But I just if you just think about it, she's only been gone four days and they're already talking about a body dump. Yeah.
00:17:40
Speaker
Can you imagine her parents sitting there reading the newspaper or listening to the news? And that's how your your daughter, who you're begging people, all these people are rallying around you to help you look for her. And and everyone's like, that's what's in the news. That's what the authorities are putting out there. Like it completely defeats the purpose and it's got to be so disheartened. Yeah. So just as hope is starting to fade, please get a tip.
00:18:06
Speaker
from a woman stating that she was driving down the highway and noticed a car was following her just a little too close at night. And as she keeps taking peaks in her rear view mirror, the front grill starts to flash the blue lights, signaling for her to pull over. So she does.
00:18:23
Speaker
Watching as the driver starts to approach her driver side window, she's getting, you know, her license and stuff together. And he says license and registration, please, which is standard. But then he tells her she needs to get out of her car and get into his car so he can review her documents. Oh, okay. No, that my friend is not standard police officer procedure. No.
00:18:45
Speaker
So right away, this lady knows something's not right. I'm in trouble. And so she looks at the police officer and just freaking floors the gas and drives off. The police officer runs to his car, gets in it and starts to following her.
00:19:00
Speaker
but ends up turning down a street and goes off. She goes straight to the police department, which kudos to her because if some guy with flashing lights just pulled me over and told me to get out of the car, I would not go straight there. Like I would get a buddy or something like it. That's not who, how do you know who to trust at that point?
00:19:18
Speaker
been pulled over a couple of times I've never once been asked to get out of the car I have however been asked by an undercover cop if his dog could sniff my car and I said by all means sniff the car no I don't care I'm not but I'm not gonna get out
00:19:32
Speaker
But they didn't say get out of the car. He said, get out and get into my car. Right. Right. Where you can't get back out of if it's a standard police car. Yeah. Now, like if I had a record and they told me to get out of the car, like, okay, fine. I'll get, you know what I mean? Like clearly I got busted, whatever. But if I'm an innocent human and I've done nothing wrong, but speed by five miles, they shouldn't be asking it. She wasn't even speeding. She just noticed this car telling her for a while. Okay. And it's night. She's on that stretch of highway.
00:20:00
Speaker
She pulled over, but when he was weird, she said. Not today, buddy. Not today, Satan. And kept going. So while she didn't get the license plate number or the badge number, she did see the man and his vehicle and was able to give a description to the officer. The man was white. He was around 25 years old. He had brown eyes and she said he had a baby face and said he spoke really good English.
00:20:26
Speaker
which Hawaii is part of the US, obviously, and they do speak English, but there's a lot of, um, it's a, it's a big melting pot and a lot of people come there from different regions. Yes. So there's a lot of Creole. So this man spoke very good English, which kind of set him apart. Um, and he was driving a white American car that was in really good condition.
00:20:52
Speaker
With this description, the police start to think this man could be connected to Lisa Al. The search continues with the Army Reserve gets called in and helped. The Hawaii
Discovery of Lisa's Body and Ongoing Investigation
00:21:01
Speaker
State Rescue Unit, over 100 volunteers from her parents' church, even the high school students at the local high school distributed over 150,000 flyers with her information. Oh, that's incredible.
00:21:14
Speaker
So, and it was all over the island. So this island like rallied together to be helpful and to try to find her. However, on January 29th, the search is officially called off because it's still just, it's dead cold. Nothing's being produced. Nothing's being found, which leaves only a smaller group of friends and family still out looking for anything related to Lisa.
00:21:38
Speaker
Finally, on January 31st, a phone call comes in right before 2 p.m. that a body's been found on the side of Mount Tantalus. A man had been out walking this dog when he caught a whiff of something that he knew was bad. Like he smelled it. I mean, he said that smell should not be out here among the flowers and the grass was his statement. Right.
00:21:59
Speaker
He assumed it was probably like a dead animal, but I guess his house was kind of closed door. He was hiking with his dog and he, you know, just made sure. So he went down the, down the mountains a little bit. And when he climbed down, he found the naked body of a young woman.
00:22:16
Speaker
So he calls police, police go out there. The body is too decomposed to make a solid identification. But Lisa's the only woman that has gone missing recently. So it's assumed it is probably her. Investigators spend the next hours going over the mountain in the crevices looking for her clothing item, her license, her registration, anything that could have been left by her attacker, anything to give any kind of clue at all.
00:22:45
Speaker
But by the time the body is brought to the morgue, they still have nothing but just a few little debris samples, nothing solid. The next day, the coroner is able to identify the body via dental records and the jewelry that was still on the body as that of Lisa Yu. So the search is officially over 11 days after it started.
00:23:08
Speaker
I'd like to point out they left her person wallet in the car, her jewelry. They said she had like four rings on a nice necklace. So they could have taken that and pawned it. Like this obviously was not anything to do with like this was solely. He accomplished what he set out to do and it had nothing to do with robbery. Yeah. Lisa's body was so decomposed that they could not determine the cause of death or the time of death.
00:23:34
Speaker
So the police have no motives, no suspects, and they don't even know how she died. They literally have nothing to go on. The only thing they have is this theory of a phony police officer, like that's it.
00:23:51
Speaker
February 4th, the police announced that they've made an arrest for one of the people impersonating police officers. Donald Santana was picked up in charge with impersonating a police officer. However, the police did not think Donald is connected to the murder of Lisa out, but we're not sure why. Like they never stated why they said he wasn't connected. Just we, we've made this arrest. He is in no way connected to Lisa out. However, the police do have a prime suspect.
00:24:19
Speaker
in Lisa Al's murder, but they just don't know his name. This is because a prime suspect, if they don't know who he is. Well, another woman has come forward stating the same night that Lisa went missing. She was driving down a highway when a police officer pulled up behind her with his lights on and pulled over for the cop and was told she was driving too fast. But the woman said the officer was acting really weird.
00:24:46
Speaker
He was a white cop with graying blonde hair, hazel eyes, and around mid 30s driving a green SUV. So completely different from the other fake cop.
00:24:57
Speaker
But police think this is their suspect because the time that this woman was pulled over is literally within a 30 minute window of when they think Lisa was taken on the exact same road. How many freaking people in Hawaii pretend to be cops? It's a two year thing. Like two years people have been complaining about fake cops. So this is like a well-known bruise. Set up some undercovers on the highway.
00:25:17
Speaker
Um, please continue to take down descriptions of all the fake cops that are called in and they have three composite sketches drawn based off the description of these fake officers. However, they never release these composite sketches to the public naturally.
00:25:35
Speaker
Why would you have a composite sketch done if you're not going to release them to the like, isn't that the whole purpose? Yeah. You know, I feel like a lot of it, like when it comes to certain kind of stuff is raising panic and especially considering like who's going to pull over for a cop if you're a woman. Yeah. And you know, for a fact that there's somebody out there pretending to be a cop, especially at night. So it's like they can't even do their job. Okay. I'll give you that. But I still, why go, why pay someone to draw a composite sketch and then just put it in a file never to be seen again?
00:26:05
Speaker
Well, do we really know that it was put away or is it being circulated amongst police officers to say, here's the dude that we're looking for. We need to snatch this guy up. I see that. But on the other hand, how many of these things have led to it looking like a police officer and it kind of looks like a coverup job on the other hand. Um, I would agree with that as well. It's like a, you know, hypothetical A and B. So we have two different ways we could go here. Um,
00:26:31
Speaker
So in my mind, there is something they know that we don't know at this point. It's the only thing that really makes sense because they say they have a prime suspect. They don't know his name. They've got these three composite sketch they don't release.
00:26:46
Speaker
Right. Okay. And then they had, they, they busted, they arrested that one guy impersonating a police officer, but said he's in, they know that he's not related to Lisa Al's death. Yeah. So how can they say that definitively with no time of death, no cause of death, no evidence whatsoever, what do they know that makes them sure that he's not involved? Unless they know something they haven't told. They're not telling the public. Which police do hold things back sometimes they have to. Yeah.
00:27:15
Speaker
So not only that, but I guess if you if you really do, in truth be told, if you release too much information, that person is going to just flee. Yeah. And they, you know, your chances of catching somebody, it's pretty, you know, like that all ethical question, what's the greater good? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if you save your family or 100 people, what do you do? You know what I mean? And that's that's the all determining question. Like one more person might die, but we could be that much closer to getting somebody else. And that's.
00:27:44
Speaker
a question that a lot of law enforcement have to ask themselves a lot of the time. And it's something they have to live with. Like that's not an easy decision I don't feel I can make. Absolutely not, no. So right now they still have all these calls and tips coming in, reports from women driving alone at night that they're getting pulled over by these men pretending to be cops when they're not cops. But instead of all that, the investigators start to look inside the police department for a suspect.
00:28:14
Speaker
probably why everything was so hush hush. So investigators start to look through personnel files and any officers that have a disciplinary problem that have been documented and they narrow down to one officer, Thomas D. Burns. All right. Now let me tell you about Sir Thomas.
00:28:36
Speaker
And I will let me get through it because I'll pause because I know you'll have a few comments on this. Thomas was convicted and found guilty of second degree sexual abuse in September of 1981 for the assault of a girl during a police ride alone program. And this girl was a teenager and he got a slap on her wrist and was still a police officer on the force.
00:29:06
Speaker
Okay. Am I allowed to interview? Are you done now? All right. So first of all, why? Yeah. Why? So he sexually assaulted a team in a ride along program in a ride along. Yeah. Where they feel safe. It was found guilty. He is a convicted felon. And not only did he get to stay on the police force, right?
00:29:32
Speaker
really technically still did whatever the crap he wanted. There was no punishment there. He got like a small fine and a slap on the wrist. I mean, he was a convicted felon and he was still on the police. It's been September, October, November.
00:29:46
Speaker
It's been six, seven months. He's still an acting police officer. Okay, good. So, in a criminal mind, right, what are we thinking now? We're thinking, oh, police force got to my back. They need some help, right? Yeah. Sorry, I went rednecked after. I don't know why I did that, but I don't even- But what I'm saying is, like, I say that a lot. What I'm saying is, I say that a lot. I should stop. Anyways, they kept this guy on knowing that it's quite possible
00:30:14
Speaker
that he would do it again and in his feeble, weird, demented little mind. He sexually assaulted a girl. But in his mental, weird mind, whatever's going on in there that made him think it was okay to sexually molest or whatever a child, right? Why would he stop? He didn't get in trouble. He still got his job. He's like, yeah, dude, here's my five hundo and then game off. And he still has his badge.
00:30:41
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So despite being found guilty of the sexual assault, he's still on the police force. All of a sudden he was fired. Thomas did come in voluntarily for questioning and he allowed his car to be searched. He wouldn't talk until his lawyers arrived. And then when his lawyers arrived, he continued to not talk.
00:31:02
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In the meantime, police continue to gather information and get ready to present to prosecution to see if charges could be filed. Um, they've got all this evidence, they've compiled all this stuff, but they haven't released the name of who they're saying is the murderer and who did they're filing these charges against, right? They can't now because they know he's a Popo and how quick is that going to circulate? And they've, but they've kept everything very close to the vest. The department delivers their evidence to the prosecution that summer.
00:31:31
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along with a witness who states he actually saw Lisa the night she was murdered and she was not alone. The witness claims that they saw this person take Lisa into the car beside her car. It was like parked beside her car and put her in that car. But that's all we know. No one is arrested. No one's called out. No one's named nothing. So summer turns to fall. Still nothing.
00:32:00
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So they have all of this information, know the guy that did it more than likely and they have not brought any charges against him. Nope. Even though he's the main suspect, we've not called him in for questioning. We don't, we don't know. We know there is a prime suspect. They don't, they haven't released the name. They thought they had a prime suspect before they found officer Thomas. Okay. So what you're doing is kind of like a sub, like the public doesn't know this, but the cops do. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is everything we know. Okay.
00:32:30
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So on the one year anniversary of Lisa's death, it seems the case is cold and forgotten by everybody that didn't know Lisa personally and love her. And
Continued Efforts and Revelations in Lisa's Case
00:32:41
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this is how it remains until June, 1983. Oh my gosh. At this time, the police decide to take a second look into the investigation and they think that they need to exhume Lisa's body for a second autopsy.
00:32:57
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Her family signs all forms to allow it. They're 100% on board, obviously. And they actually find the leading forensic autopsiest out of the LA County to do this second look. But unfortunately, he reaches the same conclusion as the first person who did the autopsy. Her body is too decomposed to tell a cause of death, a time of death, anything. He did find some things that, he noted some things which I personally have a problem with.
00:33:25
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When they exhumed Lisa's body, her body was still in the police body bag. It had never been cleaned. There's debris and brush like falling out of her hair. The morgue didn't do anything. Like they just basically shoved her in the casket, closed the lid and let them have a funeral. Like there was no reference giving. And it honestly is not the way an autopsy and post autopsy is handled. And so this guy noted that in his report, he had issue with it.
00:33:54
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But this brings to a close any look into her murder and her parents will spend the next seven years fighting the system, trying to bring closure to their daughter's death and what they do, what they firmly believe is negligence on the side of the police department into looking into her death. Absolutely. Seven years they fought on October, 1991.
00:34:16
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just before the 10 year mark of Lisa's death, an article is published in a paper that basically brings the case back to life because it's back in the news. And at the same time, this article calls out the police department for their shoddy detective skills.
00:34:32
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which ultimately allowed this killer to go free. Not only is this article written, it calls out the fact that there is no evidence that officer, it leaks the fact that Officer Thomas, who was in the papers as being like a main suspect and all these issues, there was no evidence that he was ever involved in Lisa's death. The police department used him as a scapegoat in the entire thing.
00:34:57
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No way. Yeah. That's the guy that that assaulted. Now, he is a piece of crap. Yeah. But they basically found somebody in the cop department in the police department who is dirty and he all the blame on him in the public side so that they wouldn't look like they were being negligent is what it what this article basically alludes to. Wow. OK.
00:35:19
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We got some good journalism skills happening, clearly. The article goes on to let the public know that Officer Thomas was not the only officer who was a suspect. There was also a witness named Charlotte that saw another suspect with Lisa that night and picked him out of the lineup. That same suspect failed two lie detector tests, but was never named or brought to trial.
00:35:43
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are put forth in the investigation. Now, what was he, the sergeant? That's the original investigation. There's an eyewitness saying, I saw John Smith with Lisa that night on the side of the road, picked him in a lineup. They bring this guy in for questioning. They do two lie detector tests on him. He fails both. But it was never brought to the attention of anyone. It's basically Barry.
00:36:10
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The article also let it slip that the medical examiner did not order a toxicology test on Lisa's body until a year after her death. What? The results showed that there was cocaine and amphetamines in her blood system, which would have helped during the initial investigation. But they didn't know about it because they didn't do a toxicology test until a year after she died.
00:36:38
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So the police use this as an opportunity to right previous wrongs and they again open Lisa's case. They call in witnesses, they go over testimony, but nothing new is found. The momentum is eventually lost because the new cycle moves on to the next flashy headline. And Lisa again is put on the back burner, forgotten and ignored. In 2019,
00:37:03
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2019, a new source decides it's finally time for him to go public with his knowledge 17 years after her death. Why would he wait that long? You know, we'll talk about it. So Burt Cornell was a former police lieutenant who worked on Lisa's case in 1982. And when he left the force, he became a private investigator who the Owl family hired to look into Lisa's case further because her parents never gave up.
00:37:32
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In 2019, when he goes public, he decides to detail all his findings and everything he knows about the investigation and the dysfunction surrounding this case.
00:37:44
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He talks about how when Lisa's body was exhumed, her body was still in a police body bag, dirt and debris filled it, how the inmate had not even washed the body before it was shoved in the casket as said earlier. Worse, there were pieces of her skull and jaw that were not included with the body.
00:38:04
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And no one knows where these are. And he said that he put him in there with the body. The everybody is like a roundabout. And the only way to tell if this woman is whole is to re-exume her for a third time. Oh, my God. And it's 17 years after the fact. So they leave her body there. But everybody blamed everybody else. Bert also stated that he found Lisa's ID the night she disappeared the very next day. He found her ID.
00:38:34
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the night before she had stopped at a store to purchase a few things and paid with a check. And those of you don't know is a check is something you like write out the amount and the bank cashes it. What a debit card used to be just took a lot longer. But you had to show ID when you wrote a check back in the day and they'd write your ID number. And she left her ID laying on the counter, which he received and turned into the lead investigator the next day. But that was never mentioned. OK.
00:39:04
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which basically shines a questionable light on the whole police or pretend police officer the entire investigation was hinging off. In an interview, Burt also stated that he was in the room when the witness Charlotte came forward and picked out a suspect in the lineup. He revealed not only did Charlotte see a woman,
00:39:26
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Lisa out in the car with this man. She reported that the woman was either asleep or unconscious because when the driver took off and turned a corner, the woman's head just like flopped to the side and bashed the window. Right. So he probably doped her up on some stuff. Okay. Lastly, Bert drops the bomb that the second suspect that was never named or talked about earlier was none other than Doug, Lisa's boyfriend.
00:39:50
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What? Bert alleges that the lead detective overlooked obvious reasons to further look into Doug, like the fact that when he showed up, there were scratches on his face. And it looked like he'd been in a fight when the officers arrived at the car. And he also admitted to trying to break up with Lisa that night. But none of that was in the official report. He tried to break up with her? That's what he's saying. He had scratches on his face. He looked disheveled, but they didn't report any of that. They just talked about it behind the scenes.
00:40:21
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So as of today, 2022 is the year we're in. Lisa's murder remains unsolved. Oh my gosh. And her parents went to their graves not knowing what happened to their daughter. Her siblings are still pushing to get any information or knowledge about what happened to her. But the case is called with just speculation. Lisa Owls 19 years of age when she was murdered and no one knows why or by whom.
00:40:46
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It was said everyone loved her. She had a sparkling personality. She lit up every room. She was smart. She was bright. She was friendly. And this is, this is the legacy of her life. Just questions and shadows and coverups. Wow. That's my Hawaii
Transition to Idaho Case: James Edward Wood
00:41:02
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true crime summer road trip story. That was crap. I don't like that. No.
00:41:11
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It almost to me, okay. You take a minute to close yourself because I feel like you're brewing. I'm brewing. But to me, it feels like because her boyfriend Doug had no connections to anyone important. No. He wasn't rich.
00:41:23
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Like it seems like they had this two year like complaint of these people pretending to be police officers. And they use this as a reason to like get it out there and go on a quote unquote witch hunt for these people who were like mugging people. Because no one ever, no one ever that I could find, correct me if you find other information out there, but no one ever said they were sexually assaulted by these men. They weren't really mugged.
00:41:52
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They were given a fake ticket. It was like people on power trips are just trying to freak people. It's almost like a game. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like people were bored, right? Like no one ever. The only thing that was ever like ever brought forth was the man who had long hair who was
00:42:08
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verbally and slightly like the, the, the fake cops slapped him, but that was it. Yeah. Like none of the, now it was the early eighties. Um, I don't know, like the, the religious atmosphere of Hawaii back then, but you know,
00:42:24
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People could have been ashamed to come forward if they were sexually assaulted. Felt like it was their fault. They were stupid enough to get pulled over and get out of the car. But no one was, no one reported anything like that. The only report of a physical altercation was the man with long hair. So the police just keep getting annoyed by these calls. And then now this girl's gone missing with quote unquote her license and registration gone. But then you, you explained though that her license was missing. We found it, but not the registration.
00:42:55
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Yep. But they never admitted that they found her license the next day. They always said it was missing. So it's like they, it's almost like they constructed it to go on this like cleansing of these annoyances is what that's the only thing that makes sense to me because it doesn't make sense. They had an eye witness that saw Doug there. He was scratched. He was disheveled. He found her car. He was the last person seen with her. He was her boyfriend.
00:43:20
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They they an eyewitness and they just let him go and never questioned him and never pushed it. Like why he failed both polygraphs and back in the day, polygraphs were like the thing. Yeah. So why did they just let it go? Why did they just ignore like they're trying to sweep under the rug? The fact that like you said, they did a shoddy job. But why even but why do the shoddy job? They had a prime suspect right there. Yeah.
00:43:47
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So why go on these witch hunts to look at like, you know, while that officer, officer Burns needed to be fired and probably put in jail, 100% put in jail. Like why bring him out into the public as like their quote unquote prime suspect when they knew for a fact, he didn't have anything to do with it. It makes no logical sense. None of it. None of it. Yeah.
00:44:13
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Because I mean you really you basically covered the two reasons somebody would pull over in the middle of the night, one a cop is pulling you over to your boyfriend's flashing it down. Yeah, and she just left him. But my thing is, is like she called her friend she called her roommate.
00:44:29
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probably best friend as she's leaving and it's like, Hey, I'm leaving Doug sister's house and I'm away. Be there in like 35 minutes. Just kiss. Love your night. Like it was not because in my mind, if they just got in a fight or try to break up, she'd have been balling her eyes out. Yeah. Like, Oh my gosh, please stay up. You know, I'm on my way.
00:44:49
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He just, you know, we got in this huge fight, like something, but none of that happened. She just told Candy, I'm just leaving his sister's house, be home in 35 minutes, see you in the morning. The only way that I would see that being like logical, and I don't even think it would still be logical, is if it was, if the roles were reversed and she broke up with him. Yes. And it was very blasé to her, you know? But I still feel like on that conversation, she'd have been like, Hey, I broke up with Doug. Let's talk when I get home or hey, we'll talk in the morning. If she was going to break up with him.
00:45:20
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I mean, unless she was just, you know, not like the rest of the 19 year old girls, I knew when I was 19, you talk it out with your friend. Like if you're going to break up with your boyfriend, I'm going to talk to somebody about it. Like I'm thinking about breaking up with him. You work up to it. Like it's not. See, the thing is too, is it's like nobody was really even called into question for anything.
00:45:39
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Doug was just a bystander in this entire thing. They never... They did call him and they did come into question and he failed the polygraph. They just let him know. But that's what I'm saying. If you at that point, he's failed both polygraph tests, he has scratches all over his face. It's pretty clear something went down. But they didn't document it. But I'm saying still, why at that point, why wouldn't you call his friends and say,
00:46:07
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Hey, man, did he talk to you about any of this? His sister, who she was just at his house that where they fight. There you go. It was it was a shoddy, lazy job. It was negligence on their part and.
00:46:21
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I, her parents literally died trying to get justice for their daughter and her siblings are still out there. There are still like, you can Google Lisa, Al, A, you, and there are memorials set up for her. There's tip lines still to this day that her siblings are pouring into trying to get anyone to come forward with information they know. That was intense. It was, it was, it's very unsatisfactory ending. I'll tell you that much kidding.
00:46:49
Speaker
All right, well, that is Hawaii. We are gonna move over to Idaho. All right, guys, we are off to Idaho. Before I get started, I'm just gonna go ahead and throw out some information. All right, well, I guess it's not fate's turn to talk, so we're gonna eat some more and look at me creepily. So, but I'm gonna throw these out there. I did not wanna do this case. It was hard to really find a whole lot of information about it.
00:47:21
Speaker
And truthfully, there's going to be even though we're what rated explicit. Yeah, I'm still going to give out some trigger warnings only because I feel like it's necessary. So I'm going to start this week with a name and his name is James Edward Wood. He was born in 1947. His dad was in jail when he was a baby and his mom moved them to Idaho.
00:47:48
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where they could start a new life. His mother had died later on in a large fire leaving him with his stepdad, who was physically, emotionally, and sexually abusive to him. He finally got out somehow. And again, the information is very lacking on a lot of this. But he finally got out and he went to live with his aunt and uncle. At age nine, he began having violent sexual fantasies.
00:48:14
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and was admitted to a youth correctional facility. Now guys, a lot of the research that I did on this, a lot of it came from internet stuff, some other people's podcasts. I basically kind of took what I thought was relevant. Some of it, I even kind of took where they may have found their information and looked at it and was like, I don't know that that's really a reliable source. So that's why I was trying to say this may or may not be
00:48:43
Speaker
exact fact. So he may or may not have been nine. I don't know. I'm still young. It's still young. All right. So he ended up getting into admitted into a youth correctional facility and he wound up during certain times going in there like three different times. In his early teens, he would steal cars and set dumpster fires. So he didn't have a chance. No. And at 14, he became a ward of the state.
00:49:12
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When he was 17, his father got out of jail and they both moved to Louisiana. At 19, again, guys, we're really jumping around a lot with years because there's just nothing there. Okay. But I mean, it was, it was what you said, 19 years later, he was seven. He was 17 when he got out with his father, moved to Louisiana was 19 when this, yeah, but I'm saying like, what year was it? 1930, 1947, he was born in 47.
00:49:38
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You know, born in 40. Yeah. But I mean, still, 47, 57, 60s. He's in the 60s. They didn't document their lives like we did. Like if someone does missing or someone does something horrible now, you can pull up their Facebook or Myspace and say, see every single thing they've done or every single music they've liked for their entire lives. It wasn't like that back in the way back machine. All right. So when he was 19, he saw a baby horse.
00:50:05
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That was to be a Christmas present for a young boy living in the house that he saw it at. When the family woke up the next morning, they found the horse slaughtered in the yard. James was responsible.
00:50:17
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but there was not much said after the fact. So whether, whether or not he did jail time for it, they know it was just jealous. This kid had a good
Jeralee Underwood's Tragic Story
00:50:24
Speaker
family life and decided to make us Christmas crap. It's possibility. It's possibility. Now, one of the, one of the podcasts that I listened to, they were talking about the triad that they disproven like a hundred times. And they're like, I don't know. She's like, I don't know if they wet the bed or whatever. And I'm like, you know, that really isn't relevant when it comes to socio-sociopathy. But you can tell at a young age, if a kid's having a hard time,
00:50:47
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Yeah, he's going to kill a horse. You know what I'm saying? Like not even that, but here's this kid at nine years old describing to somebody who felt concerned about it, whether it was a school teacher or somebody else. I don't know if he was drawing pictures or maybe talking about it like, but to me, those don't just develop overnight. So I'm thinking he saw that from somewhere, whether it was a stepdad that was abusing him. Right. Yeah. Or like it's something that's being fed to you.
00:51:16
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Well, that and he's just, I mean, I get that we don't condone what people do later in life because of their quote unquote damage. Yeah. But this kid had a miserable upbringing from a very young age. He's got to be hurting, angry, like, and who is he talking to about these things? What's he doing with them? Nothing. He's internalized it until he combusts. Correct.
00:51:45
Speaker
But again, back in those days, really, what kind of medical help could he have gotten? Right. I mean, he's living with his father who was in jail. I can't. I'm not going to justify anything. No. So. All right. So James was responsible for the murder of the horse when he was married again. We're going to shoot forward a little bit. He got married at 20, had a kid with her, and she wound up leaving it like shortly after that. OK.
00:52:12
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So my guess is she's kind of like, dude, you're a bit wonky. Maybe you probably don't want to be here. Right. So by the time he was 22, he was arrested for rape. I'll just go right into it, aren't we? We are. After serving time at a penitentiary, he was released on good behavior. Now.
00:52:35
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I know I don't agree. No, this is actually where it starts to make me angry. OK, so just so now we. Yeah, you might want to save your comments because it's not going to get any better. All right. So he got released on good behavior and moved to Texas, Texas, where he lived with a half brother.
00:52:53
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He soon left and headed back to Idaho where he showed up on his cousin's doorstep. His cousin invited him to stay there until he found his own place basically. So like you can get on your feet, you can stay here for a little bit, you know, not forever clearly, but yeah, whatever. Apparently during his stay there, he began obsessing over young girls. He abducted a 15 year old girl from a Pizza Hut and raped her.
00:53:18
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He began dating a woman. And again, these names aren't even there. They're not even out there. And so even if you go on murder PD, murder PD, it has like one to four on the on the murder scale. Right. And then it has like three rapes. But none of the names are out there. Yeah. So I don't know if he was tried and convicted for those offenses or. I don't know. Yeah. OK, but we know it was him because he was
00:53:47
Speaker
It basically admitted to it, okay? So he began dating a woman and ended up raping her 14-year-old daughter. I'd kill him. Yep, I would do. He was convicted three times of crimes like rape and robbery, and every single time he was released on good behavior. Why? Okay, so talking point number one. Here, now you have this guy.
00:54:10
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Has a record. OK, multiple, not even just of like one offense like, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, he murdered a horse. OK, that's kind of weird, right? But you also have like and I don't know if they wipe things clean when it's a juvenile thing. But if you have a kid that's been reportedly committed at this point into a past century. You know, he's suffering from something. OK, yeah. And he went three different times. Yeah, yeah. So why are we not taking this?
00:54:41
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account right to his future where here's this young kid doing all of this wonky crap, right? Getting convicted for it and then saying now he's good. Well, of course he's on good behavior in prison. They're probably kicking his butt because they don't like child rapists.
00:55:01
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Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a solid point, but like, even still, you're looking at criminal offenses, abductions, all kinds of stuff, and this guy just keeps getting released. I don't get it. Alright? So, released for good behavior, and now we're gonna move on to some trigger warnings, guys, because it's about to get serious, and this is so beyond out of my comfort zone, like I was telling Faith earlier, like, I didn't even want to do this case, but I was compelled to do this case, because it just needs to be told.
00:55:31
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OK, so trigger warnings, child molestation, murder and. What's the word I'm looking for? Hold on. Dismembering. I kept wanting to say disemboweled, and that was not the right word. So I'm going to introduce Jerry Lee Underwood, who is 11 years old. She was a resident of Pocatello, Idaho.
00:55:57
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According to her relatives, she was a sweet, fun, sweet and fun little girl. And her Mormon faith was extremely important to her. All right. So, sorry, guys. I just don't like talking about this kind of crap. So, not only was her faith important to her, but so was the paper route that she helped her brother with. On June 29, 1993, Jeralee went to, Jeralee, sorry, guys,
00:56:26
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went to collect payment for the papers for the newspapers. Uh, she arrived at James's cousin's house where his cousin wrote her a check and went on her way. She went on her way. James then jumped into or jumped up from the kitchen, jumped into his car. Look, we looked at his cousin first said, I'm going to go buy some booze. I'll be right back. And he left. He caught up with Jerry Lee and told her the check would bounce. So he'd just give her some cash.
00:56:54
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So Jera Lee started digging through her bag. And while she looked down and took her attention away from what was happening, he grabbed her through into the back of the car. Now, before I keep going, I'm just going to state, like just, if you notice something weird, it's not a bad thing to call somebody and ask about it. Yeah. Okay. A witnessing neighbor immediately called her parents and asked if she had a help that day.
00:57:21
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with the neighbor with her with her paper route because they all went to the same church. OK. It was somebody that she didn't recognize. And she saw them driving past and she's like, I don't know this guy. Did she have help today? You know, whatever. And her parents were like, no, say something, see something, say something, say something, say something. Nope. No, she did not. So her parents called the cops and her dad took off looking. Mom said quick response. It is a quick response.
00:57:51
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Called the cops, took off looking, okay? So, mom stayed by the phone and waited for somebody to call about anything because, you know, if the cops are gonna call you or anything, anybody with information. Somebody's gotta be there if she shows up. Exactly, exactly. So, unfortunately, days went by without a word. It was like, generally just vanished.
00:58:16
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Eight days later, her disembered body was found floating down Snake River. It
Justice System Critique and Broader Reflections
00:58:26
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is assumed that due to the neighbor's description of the man in the vehicle, which was, in fact, James Wood, was brought to justice for murdering Jolie generally because she was the only witness that saw anything. She had a description of the car.
00:58:43
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a very kind of vague description of the man driving it. Yeah. OK, so. I'm sorry, guys, I can't. After a few days had gone by when they found out during the trial was that he had molested her multiple times. Shot her in the head with a twenty two and then covered her body in the brush by the river. Left her there like trash, left her there like trash, but.
00:59:11
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Days later, he kind of feared like somebody was going to find the body faster. So he went back to her. Cut her up into pieces and threw her into the river. If he had stayed in prison where he belonged, this never would have happened. She'd be alive today with probably so like I had like this conclusion. You know, it's not an epiphany, guys, because anybody that would like listen to that story and think for a second, her life was completely snuffed out by a man who couldn't control his own urges.
00:59:41
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and a law and law enforcement community who lets rapists and criminals out on good behavior. They're in jail because of bad behavior. It doesn't matter how good you are now. You're there because you were bad. And it's like all the stuff. It's like, oh, well, it's rehabilitation. It's this, it's that or whatever. So he wound up being sentenced
01:00:04
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Sorry, convicted and sentenced. He was sentenced to death, but wound up dying on like over a heart attack by the time he was 54. So he was 45 when he committed this murder of this poor little girl and then waiting for trials and appeals and all this other crap. Nine years. Died over a heart attack. Well, these are both highly
01:00:30
Speaker
Disappointing in two cases, but I can't I can't I couldn't wrap my head around it which like I walked away from writing some of this Because it's kind of like anything involving kids for me is very very harsh and it really like it just pokes me in the heart and it hurts and So like I started even doing a little bit of research about like the difference between like molestation and rape. Do you know what that is? penetration molestation can fall under dirt and
01:01:00
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different categories of like, so if you're not physically touching somebody, but you're being an inappropriate, or even forcing yourself on a child, but they actually have limits. So like from zero to 10, if you do A, B, C, or D, these are your consequences. Now, if it's like a violent crime against a child, you could get life in prison, but the majority of them get about 18 years.
01:01:29
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is they max for molestation of a child, right? And then you look at rape and rape goes anywhere between one year to life. So they're literally like the rape factor is not even a problem. It's, well, did you torture them first? Because then you'll get life, right? Did you kill them when you were done? Because then you'll get life. But the actual act of violating a human being, especially a child,
01:01:59
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OK, like I know adults like, OK, we all feel things and we all have our like, you know, whatever's. But like when you're corrupting somebody so small. Yeah. To me, that should be like primo. You don't get another friggin chance. No. Do you know? I grew up in Louisiana.
01:02:19
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And it's hot and muggy. They've got good food. But Louisiana, I will give them props because they are, I believe last time I looked, it might have changed the only state where if you were brought to trial for raping a child, it is a capital offense and you can get the death penalty first offense. And it should involve a child like that.
01:02:44
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If you are brought to trial in Louisiana for the rape of a child, it is a capital offense. There does not have to be any torture, any secondary crime, like we talked about. It is automatic. You can get the death penalty if you harm a child. And I think that should be all 50 states. Yeah, I agree. And even if the state's against death penalty, I feel like there should be a special place for people who harm child, children. Like adults.
01:03:13
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have the ability to reason. And I'm not saying that it's all adults, guys, and I'm not saying that it's any more difficult.
01:03:21
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for an adult than it is a child, but the difference is a child's brain hasn't developed yet. Their body hasn't developed. Okay. And nobody, I mean, how many people really and truly sit down with a kid and explain them after they've been raped or I'm sorry molested because we have to have a different name for things when they happen, right? Because we have to make it a more or lesser crime. Okay. Explain to them that not only was that extremely inappropriate, but like, are you okay? Nowadays it is a little bit different, but like,
01:03:52
Speaker
Guys, man, I'm getting angry, and I gotta shut up. These kids grow up, and all kids grow up looking at someone else.
01:04:03
Speaker
OK, they have heroes, whether it's Spider-Man or their mom or their dad or their uncle or whatever. And the experiences that a child has in the early development stages of their lives are going to form the human they become. OK, and so when you look at a man like James Wood, who had an absolute crapshoot of a childhood. Yeah.
01:04:27
Speaker
Did you expect anything less from him? You had the opportunity at nine to try to intervene. I'm not saying like, let's commit this kid and keep him, you know, but you probably need to keep you need to keep an eye on him. No, and I'm sorry, guys, and I hate to say it, but if you have a kid who did something incredibly stupid as a young child, OK, like, I'm sorry, but like when he was 16 something years old, 19 something years old,
01:04:56
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with the dumpster fires and all that crap that does not need to get expunged when you're 18 because you are developing a pattern. Yeah.
Personal Safety and Episode Conclusion
01:05:04
Speaker
I'm sorry, I got really harsh there, but it really just makes me mad because this little girl should be alive right now. But because of good behavior, she's not exactly my point. But how can you have good behavior when you're in prison?
01:05:18
Speaker
I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why. The deal is, they let people out on good behavior, right? Because... No one can see your finger quotes. I know. I'm sorry.
01:05:32
Speaker
But they let them out because they're full. Yeah. But they're full of lesser crimes. I'm sorry if the dude down the street or down the row or down your inmate, neighbor or whatever you want to call him, snorted some freaking coke and then had it in his backpack when he got pulled over. Not the same. No. Not the same. Well. This is a long day at work. I was not a particularly good mood when I got here. I was not in a good mood. This did not help.
01:06:02
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This is why we only have 10 listeners. We tell horrible stories with bad endings. And they make fun of each other a lot. People are probably tired of listening to you. Yeah, I'm the problem. Well, guys, real quick before we go. So do you remember, and I know that your story really can't justify this only because it was so far long ago, like in the Wayback Machine.
01:06:25
Speaker
But like, do you remember when we were younger, when you first started hanging out and we would hang out until like, God, leave three, four, four, five, six, eight, whatever, o'clock in the morning?
01:06:35
Speaker
What did I always tell you when you got home? Text me when you get home. Do you know why that was? It wasn't because I'm a creeper. Exactly. I still do that to people. Yep. So do I. Like every time, every time, Destiny, my best friend, sorry, guys, she'll leave our house really late and I'm like, text me when you get home. And it's not to be weird. It's just to know, like, I want to know if I don't have a text from you in 30 minutes or 10 minutes, it takes you to get you home. Yep. Like.
01:07:00
Speaker
something could be wrong and I remember one time you forgot and I literally drove to your house because of that while I was sleeping I didn't even feel bad didn't even feel bad because you were driving at that time you were driving that Corvette the old one the old old one the stingray is a nice it was a nice car guys but it was old um
01:07:20
Speaker
And she lived on the most windy, windy road, okay? Right by the lake. And okay, maybe I've always been a little bit like, you know, criminal minds kind of mind, but I don't know, man, that night she did not text. And I just, I got into my car and I called her like five times. She did not answer. And you can call me a weird or not, but here's the deal. Had you not been sleeping that night and you crashed your car, you would have found me. Thank you.
01:07:48
Speaker
I still, like I said, how many times have all of us almost whacked a deer on that road? If my mom and I go out to dinner or hanging out late and she leaves, she has to text me when she gets home. If she takes my kid and goes two hours away to try cities to go see her mom and dad, she texts me when she gets there. She's forgotten once or twice. And I promise you, she's never forgotten again because I go ballistic. Like anything can happen in a car group. Absolutely.
01:08:18
Speaker
Absolutely. And I'm just I'm the same way with my son. It's I don't care who has him. You're going to you're going to text me and check in. And if I don't hear from you, I'm going to call. Yeah, you do lose your privileges. Absolutely. Anyways, guys, I'm sorry. You can call us both crazy, but you know what? Look after each other, love each other and follow us on Facebook at Twisted Tales to crime podcast or Instagram.
01:08:47
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01:08:54
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Uh, also do us a favor and like and comment. I don't think I've seen one person play the Florida man game. Nobody's played the Florida game, man. I put a lot of heart and soul in the Florida man game. I know. And that's what happens when you don't play my game. You can start depressing stories with horrible ending here in a little while. I'm going to Florida for some vacation. I'm kind of a little bit scared. I don't want to meet no Florida man. We will try to make next week's stories at least have a better. We're talking about crime. There's no crime.
01:09:23
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I didn't say better endings. I said conclusions like mine. It's been, you know, yeah, I died of a freaking heart attack. I hope they just let them lay there for a little while at least. Well, I hope you guys are staying safe. Look out for your friends and family. Hope you're having a great summer and just give us a like. Five stars would be appreciated. That's all we ask. Y'all have a great night.