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Rose Plate Special: Bachelorette Jenn - Week 8 (Fantasy Suite, Men Tell All, Jilly Unboxing!)
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What a packed episode this week! We cover the fantasy suites, the Men Tell All, and a Fall 2024 Jilly Unboxing.
It's hard to say how this is all going to shake out after what we've seen this week. We make our predictions, talk about in-home salad bars, and appreciate all of Jeremy's best moments at The Men Tell All.
Join us next week for the finale, and before we know it, The Golden Bachelorette!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Struggles
00:00:18
Steve
Oh, hello.
00:00:19
popculturediner
I'm Sami, and you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic, um I don't know, clarity-anist.
00:00:20
Steve
And I'm Steve.
00:00:30
popculturediner
ah I have nothing for this episode because we have hachemists, yes, ah Paradise Teasing-ist recap podcast with The Bachelorette ever.
00:00:35
Steve
Hakeemiest. Ever.
00:00:44
popculturediner
I don't know why I was just like, I literally, because we have so much ground to cover, but also no ground to cover. ah My brain just kind of went, it just like short
00:00:49
Steve
Yeah.
Show Recaps and Kansas City Adventures
00:00:53
popculturediner
circuited.
00:00:53
popculturediner
I don't know. It just like did not work.
00:00:54
Steve
That's fine. It's a lot of, a lot of breadth this week and not a lot of depth this week.
00:00:57
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:00:58
Steve
So that's okay.
00:00:59
popculturediner
I feel like you've you say that ah sometimes.
00:01:02
Steve
Yeah. Frequently because the show loves to do that.
00:01:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:01:05
Steve
They're like, Oh no, we don't have an actual story to tell. What if we just took one little thing and then we stretched it across nine episodes? This is what the bachelor does to us.
00:01:14
popculturediner
Yeah, I was actually shocked. OK, so this was my experience. So I was in Kansas City until Tuesday night. And by the way, really nice. Did not have any barbecue. Is that a flex?
00:01:25
popculturediner
I don't know.
00:01:25
Steve
Mmm, that's hard to do.
00:01:25
popculturediner
Is it a flex? Maybe it is. Maybe it's not.
00:01:27
Steve
How do you avoid it? That's impossible That's true Yeah, I would Yeah slightly different
00:01:29
popculturediner
It was actually like super easy because it's just a city that has food like every other city. But it's so funny. It's like, you know, I mean, it reminds me of like, you know, people being like, oh, like you're going to Wisconsin.
00:01:40
popculturediner
Like, are you going to eat a brat, you know, or whatever you can have those cheese curds? And it's like, I mean, yeah, I would, too. I mean, not like maybe different, though, like goat cheese curds and veggie or chicken prots or whatever.
00:01:52
popculturediner
um But yeah, I'm just like everybody that I mentioned, like, oh, we're going to Kansas City. They're like, oh, you're going to go eat some barbecue. And I'm like, you know, there's like other stuff to do in a city than just like eat barbecue, which we did, like prehistoric mini golf.
00:02:01
Steve
Mhm.
Activities and Personal Challenges
00:02:06
Steve
Yeah. Ooh.
00:02:07
popculturediner
They had a zip line on one of the holes. So you like, you like you, it's very small cause it's indoors, but you get on the zip line and then you gotta like throw the ball to like, like that's your first stroke.
00:02:11
Steve
That's impressive.
00:02:18
Steve
Mhm.
00:02:20
popculturediner
Cause you get on the zip line and you gotta try to throw the ball to get in the hole. Um, which is interesting cause you're like, you don't need to throw as hard as you think. Anyway, we played mini golf twice and probably pinball three times and went to the river and didn't eat barbecue, but we had a really good other food.
00:02:35
Steve
Okay.
00:02:36
popculturediner
And, um, I got home. And you're like, Sammy, what's your point? I got, I got, I got home and I was like, okay, I'm going to watch the bachelorette and then we will record on Wednesday.
00:02:41
Steve
Get to the point, Sammy.
00:02:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:02:46
popculturediner
And then I was like, wait a minute. It's a special two night event.
00:02:50
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:02:50
popculturediner
And I couldn't even watch Tuesday live because I was in a meeting. So anyway, here we are. We, we made it through that.
00:02:56
Steve
We made it.
00:02:57
popculturediner
We made it through a power outage for you, a tornado warning for me.
00:03:01
Steve
inclement weather.
00:03:01
popculturediner
That's how dedicated we are.
00:03:03
Steve
We are dedicated to our craft.
00:03:04
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:05
Steve
Let me tell you that's, you will not find, I mean, there, there might be a longer running, but there's few that are longer running and certainly few that are more dedicated than we are.
00:03:06
popculturediner
Very dedicated.
00:03:13
popculturediner
That's so true.
00:03:14
Steve
We're probably the most dedicated people I know.
00:03:15
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. Both of us collectively.
00:03:18
Steve
Both of us collectively as a collective unit.
00:03:19
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:03:20
Steve
Yes.
00:03:20
popculturediner
As a collective. Um, but yeah, anyway, I, yeah, I've got some notes. I don't have like a ton of notes. I definitely have more for mental all, but we also have a jilly box today
Critiques and Jokes on 'The Bachelorette'
00:03:32
popculturediner
to open, which I was so excited about.
00:03:32
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:03:34
popculturediner
And so for the uninitiated, um, Jillie was a former bachelor contestant and bachelorette and she's been doing the subscription boxes since like 2019 and she does them four times a year so they're like seasonal and they're themed and stuff and then she donates like 40,000 Canadian from each box to like different charities she'll like split between two organizations to donate to all the stuff is like, um, certified B-corps and sustainable companies and local companies and all kinds of, all kinds of good stuff.
00:04:09
popculturediner
And, um, we, I started getting jelly boxes, like I got on the wait list and then I started getting them and now I'm getting invited to every jelly box. So now it's just become a thing.
00:04:18
Steve
nonstop. You're like the number one jilly box receiver, I think at this point.
00:04:22
popculturediner
I well, I think I'm the number one Jilly Box receiver on a bachelor themed podcast. I think I could probably say that.
00:04:29
Steve
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:04:30
popculturediner
So, yeah.
00:04:31
Steve
if If we, if we have one claim to fame, that's gotta be it.
00:04:34
popculturediner
It's that it's 100 percent that. So, yeah. So anyway, so that those are kind of my notes at the top. um Let's in general. um How did you feel about the fantasy suite dates?
00:04:49
Steve
Well, that's a great question.
00:04:52
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:04:52
Steve
I think like everything seemed pretty normal. Uh, Devin's was fine. It went the way that I thought it would go.
00:05:00
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:00
Steve
Devin has been the most upfront with expressing his feelings, playing the game. Uh, he, he gabs a lot. He's a guy talks nonstop and this is why he is both kind of an annoying little weasel and also, uh, that the front runner really.
00:05:15
Steve
And the problem is, is when you have someone who talks a lot, they don't always listen well. And I'm not saying that Devin is not a good listener, but I think he could be better. And one thing that I picked up on is during Devin's date leading up to the fantasy suite and during the time afterwards. I mean, he straight up told Jen, I love you. I want to spend the rest of my life with you, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We know because of bachelor rules,
00:05:41
Steve
ah These these soft social contracts that they create all these like nebulous things.
00:05:44
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:46
Steve
She can't come out and say I love you This is a number one thing that gets you in trouble Okay, you don't bang before the fantasy sweets and you don't say I love you too soon or to multiple people because it just causes a kerfuffle We saw this a couple seasons ago on the bachelor where the bachelor had three women and he said I love you to all three of them boy Did that not go well?
00:05:57
popculturediner
Yeah. Stay away from windmills.
00:06:02
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:06
popculturediner
Yeah, that wasn't so good. That wasn't good, Clayton.
00:06:08
Steve
Yeah, so
00:06:09
popculturediner
Don't do that.
00:06:11
Steve
she was basically saying everything she could say to say, I love you without saying I love you, you know?
00:06:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:19
Steve
um and And it was real like wink, wink, obvious shit. And somehow Devin was not picking up with this. So he's having a meltdown. He's in first place and somehow he's having a meltdown.
00:06:28
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:30
Steve
ah With Jonathan, it was almost the exact opposite because it's like, here is clearly The best guy, like this is the guy right here.
00:06:37
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:40
Steve
Okay.
00:06:40
popculturediner
yeah
00:06:41
Steve
Like he has proven himself. I came in a Jonathan doubter. I was worried. He's a creative director. I was like, I don't know. ah He was doing the button, the bandages thing. And I was like, I don't know.
00:06:48
popculturediner
I had faith.
00:06:50
Steve
And then slowly, but surely, uh, through his, his charm and his kindness and Sammy's like endless deep love for him.
00:07:01
Steve
I was worn down.
00:07:02
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:07:02
Steve
And he he is clearly like the the guy, like the most well-rounded. If you were to throw him into a pool of like 10,000 women with these other two guys, I think 9,000 out of 10,000 would choose him.
00:07:16
popculturediner
ah
00:07:16
Steve
So that being said, the problem that Jen seems to have with him is I just I don't know, like maybe, you know, you're not as far along as everybody else.
00:07:28
Steve
And we were just friends first. And it's like, what is wrong with that?
00:07:33
popculturediner
I mean, that's like a good foundation for a relationship.
00:07:33
Steve
And
00:07:36
Steve
Yes, and I would say as far as like long-lasting functional relationships go, it's easy to lust after a beefcake, all right?
00:07:46
popculturediner
her
00:07:47
Steve
It is difficult to find someone who you legitimately enjoy spending every day of your life with. And if you can be friends with someone and you build a relationship from that foundation of of friendship, that's a mature relationship.
00:07:54
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:08:02
popculturediner
her
00:08:02
Steve
And I don't think Jen sees it that way because she's like, I don't know what she 25. She's 25, 26 years old. She hasn't been in a lot of good relationships. In fact, I don't think she's been in any functional relationships.
00:08:13
popculturediner
yeah
00:08:15
Steve
And so she is just clinging to this lust, that immediate like that feeling.
00:08:22
popculturediner
Yeah. Mm-hm.
00:08:23
Steve
and And that is kind of overpowering everything. And because she didn't have that with Jonathan for one reason or another, probably because he was wrapped in bandages, that is what
Contestant Dynamics and Relationships
00:08:33
Steve
is causing like a a roadblock for her, but she still sleeps with him.
00:08:35
Steve
So good honor.
00:08:38
Steve
And then the Marcus thing, which this is the most baffling and of all.
00:08:39
popculturediner
her
00:08:41
Steve
And you could say, well, the the Jonathan situation, maybe we're not seeing it the way she does. Maybe it's not necessarily a sign of immaturity.
00:08:47
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:08:49
Steve
I will tell you what is a sign of immaturity. It's what a man straight up says, I don't think I can get there. I don't think I'm the guy for you.
00:08:55
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:08:56
Steve
And she throws the like hail Mary, I love you. And then still gives him the go to the fantasy suite with Picard. What the fuck, Sammy?
00:09:04
popculturediner
I don't know what the ah so that felt personal for some reason.
00:09:07
Steve
that was That was like a very intense monologue that I just gave.
00:09:10
popculturediner
I was like, why are you yelling at me? I didn't do anything.
00:09:12
Steve
I'm not yelling at you, no, I mean.
00:09:13
popculturediner
Oh my gosh, she was so mean. um No, so I mean, what you were saying about like the friendship stuff, like to me, um I would say that Jen and Jonathan's dynamic reminds me of like Charity and Dotten, like very similar where it was like
00:09:28
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:09:29
popculturediner
He's very stable and solid. They they had good jokey joke banter together. Like it seemed similar to that. And I think that's part of a reason I was like rooting for it, because it's like obviously that dynamic can be really good. Oh, also. Oh, my gosh. Wait, hold on. Let me see if I can grab this announcement. ah Did you hear the news about Rodney?
00:09:53
Steve
No, what happened to Rodney?
00:09:55
popculturediner
He's engaged.
00:09:57
Steve
To who?
00:09:58
popculturediner
um Hold on, let me get to his Instagram because I don't know anybody.
00:10:00
Steve
I hope it's a normal person and not someone from Bachelor Nation.
00:10:03
popculturediner
I'm not sure. um I don't think I know. Is it a rage, a rage?
00:10:11
Steve
I don't know who that is.
00:10:12
popculturediner
um Obviously, I looked this up before. ah I'm not like coming into this like so quick. um I don't know.
00:10:21
Steve
So yes, bachelor person.
00:10:24
popculturediner
Or no. All right. Wait, is it Ari or Arish? Oh, Ari J. Ari J. I'm not sure. I it's it says at Netflix.
00:10:34
popculturediner
So is she on a Netflix show?
00:10:36
Steve
Hmm.
00:10:38
popculturediner
I don't know. Everybody's yelling at me right now.
00:10:42
Steve
Ari bleige, blige, blige, I don't know.
00:10:42
popculturediner
um
00:10:46
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm like, I'm assuming it's like Ari J. Blige, like Mary J. Blige.
00:10:50
Steve
Ari J. Blige, yeah, there you go.
00:10:52
popculturediner
Yeah, like I don't know. But apparently, anyway, Rodney is engaged, which is very exciting.
00:10:57
Steve
That's lovely.
00:10:58
popculturediner
So congratulations. I was just thinking about you know my faves. Yeah, so he proposed, and he said, I will always choose you. um I will see i'll see if I can find other information.
00:11:08
Steve
Whoa.
00:11:11
popculturediner
But anyway, i've just he deserved a happy ending, and I hope he's got it. And i it seems Seems good. Seems exciting. Anyway, just wanted to mention that before I forgot.
00:11:18
Steve
Good for him.
00:11:20
popculturediner
um Yeah, but I mean, and like Rodney is such a good ah example, I think, of someone who like you it's he's so easy to like build a friendship with. He's like so fun loving.
00:11:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:29
popculturediner
And then and but it's like, yeah, then that grows into something bigger. And I mean, that's like my relationship with my husband is like very similar to that, where it's like we just spent um six days in Kansas City and outside of like one crabby moment where I was really tired, I was just like, I just want to go to bed.
00:11:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:47
popculturediner
like we had a lot of fun the entire time like start to finish and we talked the entire drive down and the entire drive up you know and and and he was like i just really enjoyed that you didn't like work in the car and then we just like talked the entire time and like that was really fun to just chat that whole time and like
00:11:54
Steve
No.
00:12:04
popculturediner
We enjoy going to Target together. You know what I mean? Just like all the mundane stuff.
00:12:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:08
popculturediner
and that's so Because that's so much of your life. That's so important. And yeah, I feel like Jen is looking for this very big thing and is ignoring a lot of the small things.
00:12:21
popculturediner
And that makes me concerned.
00:12:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:25
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:12:25
popculturediner
um So anyway, getting back to the beginning for a minute, ah Molly comes into town and I said, get that vacation girl, because she was like in Australia and now she's in Hawaii.
00:12:38
popculturediner
I'm like, yeah that's great, Molly. You you get those vacations.
00:12:41
Steve
who
00:12:42
popculturediner
um And Jen is like, I feel so strongly about the men. I feel like one of them will be my husband. ben And Molly is like, well, me and Jason love Jonathan. So just saying, just putting that out there.
00:12:53
Steve
Just say no. Yeah.
00:12:53
popculturediner
I was like, Listen to Molly. She's a good Wisconsin girl.
00:12:57
Steve
She's right.
00:12:57
popculturediner
She she knows what's up. And um and then Jen is like, you know, well, Marcus is really hesitant. Be vulnerable. um Devin gets me and he's there.
00:13:09
popculturediner
he He's there with me, but I'm not there with him. But I think I'm falling harder. ah Hard to say. um And then, you know, Devin comes first. Like you said, he's feeling this big question mark. He doesn't have reassurance. He wants to hear the L word. And she's like, I'm close to being in love.
00:13:27
popculturediner
Maybe today it will change, you know. um And and he's like, well, where are you? And like he's like really pushing it. And she's like, well, I'm so thankful and you mean so much to me, but I'm not going to say that word right now.
00:13:43
popculturediner
So this is what you get. And I mean, that's kind of like the entirety of the day. And then the next morning, she says he's better than Pete Davidson.
00:13:54
Steve
Yeah, we just got to be a wiener thing, right?
00:13:54
popculturediner
OK.
00:13:57
popculturediner
I mean, it's gotta be a BDE thing.
00:13:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:59
popculturediner
Um, Jonathan actually did a very funny tick tock about that, about how, yeah, it was like, it was like when she says that, you know, he's better than Pete Davidson and he did like a damn it type of a video.
00:14:04
Steve
Oh.
00:14:11
popculturediner
Anyway, thought those very but Jonathan's tick tock game is top tier and maybe he liked one of our podcasts posts. Just saying, just putting that out there.
00:14:17
Steve
Ooh.
00:14:19
popculturediner
We got a fan. We got a fan. Um, so, so Jonathan's day is next. Um, one thing I will say is Jonathan have some cheat days. Come on. Have some cheat days.
00:14:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:29
popculturediner
Don't be so concerned. Okay. I should have worn my shirt. I'm wearing my shirt that says everyone is welcome at the library, but I should have worn my shirt that says screw diet culture. Don't worry about it. Be bad.
00:14:39
popculturediner
It's not you're fine. You're doing just fine.
00:14:41
Steve
I mean, you you could iron a shirt on those abs, though, just, I mean.
00:14:44
popculturediner
Yeah, that's true, that's true. But I do think they compliment each other well. like She lets them let loose a little, like it's good.
00:14:50
Steve
yeah
00:14:51
popculturediner
you know um And you know he's like, well, I just wanna be there for you and show up for you and be like sunny, good, whatever. And she's like, no, I want you to emote and be real and like share what you're feeling.
00:15:03
popculturediner
And I'm like, this is all good stuff. This is all good stuff.
00:15:07
Steve
the
00:15:08
popculturediner
um But he's the middle date. The middle date is never a good sign.
00:15:12
Steve
No, no, probably going home.
00:15:13
popculturediner
If you're in the middle, you're probably going home. That's how that always works. um And yeah, this was really cute, too. Like, I i didn't take notes on all the date details. I took like two notes on Marcus's date. But Jen talks about, you know, like um family stuff and whatever. And Jonathan's like, I would love to have a blended family, like whatever that looks like. I would I would have a Vietnamese mom-in-law on speed dial. And I was like,
00:15:40
Steve
Yeah. Right.
00:15:41
popculturediner
Thumbs up, like very similar to Jeremy.
00:15:42
Steve
Meanwhile, like Marcus's date, it's like, is he on the moon? Like what is going on?
00:15:45
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:15:46
Steve
Like, and when she talks about him, the way she talks about Marcus and the Marcus that I see, which isn't even the Marcus that we've heard about on Reddit, but just like the one that is displayed. And this isn't an edit thing.
00:15:56
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:15:57
Steve
He's just off in space. Like I don't, ah he, yeah, he does.
00:15:59
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, that's because he wants to be in space. That's why he's there. He's there in his mind because, you know, you gotta to you gotta to visualize what you want first and then you can go do it.
00:16:11
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:13
popculturediner
That's how that works.
00:16:14
Steve
we were I was watching this show with some friends and my friend, Jenny, her girlfriend was there and she hadn't watched like any of the season and she was just like, this guy just needs therapy.
00:16:26
Steve
I'm like, yes, I know, he does.
00:16:27
popculturediner
That's what a lot of yeah it was funny because at the beginning I was like oh it seems like I know in earlier episodes I was like oh it seems like he got therapy and as the episodes are going on I'm like I don't think he got enough therapy or maybe he didn't get any ah maybe I'm wrong about this
00:16:38
Steve
No.
00:16:41
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:41
popculturediner
oh Yeah, it's not good. um Yeah, I mean, I would say like in terms of mature responses and like good normal dudes on the show this season of that we saw more of, you know, like that we got one on ones with, I would say like Spencer, Jeremy and Jonathan were like three of the most normal dudes.
00:17:00
popculturediner
who like also seem to have a good bond outside of the show and really stand up for each other.
00:17:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:17:07
popculturediner
And I think that's always a good sign, like to see who's like friends outside of the show and who's hanging out.
00:17:09
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:17:12
popculturediner
Cause yeah, that's usually, they're usually like, uh, not always, but you know, birds of a feather. You know what I mean? So it's good.
00:17:20
Steve
Exactly, exactly.
00:17:21
popculturediner
Um, but Oh yeah.
00:17:21
Steve
ah Dylan, also a very normal, wholesome boy. Justice for Dylan.
00:17:25
popculturediner
But we didn't see him at all on, on the mental wall.
00:17:28
popculturediner
Like. Like I was, I was really sad. I mean, I hope he gets on paradise, but yeah, I just feel like he had a strong start and then he just kind of like ate it out.
00:17:28
Steve
No, he was he was pretty quiet the whole time, which is too bad.
00:17:38
Steve
Oh, yeah. Meanwhile, I got too much Aaron for my own good.
00:17:41
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:41
Steve
And Aaron really showed his ass. Like, I think a lot of people were like, oh, well, maybe, you know, as he was leaving, he just kind of like, you know, he slipped up there and made himself look bad. And it's like, no, he's definitely a dick.
00:17:53
Steve
And the weirdest thing was a guy who looks like he plays trombone in a ska band, Brian, he was like the I was only on the show for five minutes, but I can't shut the hell
Jen's Decisions and Audience Reactions
00:18:03
Steve
up guy is crazy.
00:18:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:18:05
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, at least I mean, Jeremy earned the right to do that and Brian did not earn the right to do that.
00:18:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:18:10
popculturediner
So that's all I say about that.
00:18:11
Steve
Well, then Brian was doing like interview stuff too.
00:18:12
popculturediner
um
00:18:13
Steve
Like somebody would say something big. Well, how do you feel about this? I'm like, I'm sorry. Are you Jesse? What do you, what do you mean?
00:18:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:18
Steve
What are you asking questions now?
00:18:19
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know. I don't.
00:18:20
Steve
Brian.
00:18:20
popculturediner
Yeah, go away.
00:18:22
Steve
Yeah. Go play in a swing revival group.
00:18:25
popculturediner
You really. Yeah, you're really.
00:18:27
Steve
I don't know.
00:18:27
popculturediner
ah carla
00:18:27
Steve
There's something about him that says band.
00:18:28
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:18:29
Steve
I don't like from the nineties with horns in it.
00:18:30
popculturediner
Says mighty, mighty boss Jones to you.
00:18:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:18:32
popculturediner
Um, so real quick though, before we move on from the fantasy suites, I was just going to mention my two notes I had for Marcus.
00:18:39
Steve
Okay.
00:18:39
popculturediner
First of all, they went on a manta ray date, which is very cool. And I would do that.
00:18:41
Steve
All the matter is looks so cool. Yeah.
00:18:43
popculturediner
I was like, Oh my God, that's amazing. Um, but yeah, so she says she's in love with Marcus. Like at this point I was like, is he her favorite? Cause the, This is my interpretation.
00:18:54
popculturediner
I feel like she was laying it all out for Marcus. I have no idea. And then and then because of how reserved it was, then she opened up more to Devin.
00:19:04
popculturediner
But I don't know. But that's kind of like the feeling I got.
00:19:06
Steve
the
00:19:07
popculturediner
But you didn't get that feeling. You felt a different way. You felt like Devin was first from the beginning of the date.
00:19:11
Steve
Yeah, I feel like Devin has been in first, but again, this is me questioning Jen's emotional maturity. I think the fact that she does have something with Marcus that maybe isn't as strong as Devin or potentially even as good as what she has with Jonathan, but because he's withholding in the way that he does, I think that that just makes her want him more, which is annoying.
00:19:31
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:19:37
popculturediner
Yeah. It's a challenge. It's a project. It's a, you know, her yeah, there's certain things you can fix.
00:19:40
Steve
Yeah, I can fix him. You can't fix him.
00:19:45
popculturediner
You can't fix everything, you know, you can.
00:19:46
Steve
No, no.
00:19:47
popculturediner
Yeah. I mean, in my experience, Yeah, you can fix some things, but not like big fundamental things.
00:19:56
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:56
popculturediner
They are in charge of fixing those things.
00:19:57
popculturediner
You are not. your It is it is out of your depth. It is out of everyone's depth. ah So but yeah, so basically she lays it all out to Marcus and he gets emotional and he's like, I'm going to try as hard as I can.
00:19:57
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:20:09
popculturediner
And I'm like, do or do not, there is no tribe.
00:20:10
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:12
popculturediner
So now we get to the mental all and, and then, and then Jesse, uh, kind of gives us a curve ball with like, we're going to find out what happens with Devin tomorrow. Just kidding. We're going to find out now.
00:20:23
popculturediner
Cause like the last episode ended it with him being like, Oh, I don't know.
00:20:24
Steve
Oh Jesse.
00:20:27
popculturediner
I'm just not sure. Like if she's not giving me what I want. And he's like, I know what I'm going to do. And, um, and so he's like, listen, I think I'm the safe option. I think you're, you're interested in me because I'm the safe option and I'm scared as fuck about proposals next week. And I don't know what to do. And I don't know how to feel. Do you think that's his rationale for talking to her? Do you believe what he's saying?
00:20:53
Steve
I think he's completely in his own head. I think the fact that he couldn't get that validation and he strikes me as the kind of guy where
00:20:55
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:21:02
Steve
I don't know, like his whole like getting into running thing.
00:21:06
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:21:06
Steve
And I just think he may have some self esteem issues. And it's easy to have self esteem issues when you're in a house with 30 dudes and you're all dating the same girl.
00:21:18
Steve
And also you're the only guy who doesn't have like washboard abs basically.
00:21:23
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:21:24
Steve
ah So yeah, I think he's kind of in a crisis mode. It's a high stress situation. Everything about this is designed to mentally break you.
00:21:35
Steve
So it seems reasonable to me, but also, I don't know.
00:21:35
popculturediner
Hmm. Yeah.
00:21:39
Steve
I have something about Devin.
00:21:43
Steve
I don't know. He doesn't always sit right with me.
00:21:47
popculturediner
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I just yeah, part of me, I mean, I don't know. Part of me worries that it's like part of a playbook, you know, where it's like because somebody said and I can't remember who it was on the mental all, but they were like, he's playing the game.
00:21:57
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:22:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:22:06
popculturediner
Oh, was it Aaron who said that?
00:22:07
Steve
No, I think Jeremy said it, actually, because they they were talking about when, you know, Devin was, he would basically like swoop in and, you know, he already had a date with her, but he wanted to come back and and spend more time with her.
00:22:09
popculturediner
Oh wow. Okay.
00:22:16
popculturediner
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:22:19
Steve
And that one guy was like, but we didn't all get a chance. And it's like, yeah, dude, it was it was.
00:22:23
popculturediner
That was Thomas, right? Yeah.
00:22:24
Steve
Yeah, Thomas. And it was like, OK, yeah, it was a dick move, I guess. But also it is a game. And that's the thing with the show again.
00:22:31
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:22:33
Steve
And this this would drive me insane if I was on the show. you have to play the game but also you have to be there for the right reasons which means you're not playing a game because love isn't a game but it is a game because it's literally a yeah yeah that's yeah oh erin was well erin was trying to call out everybody he was like
00:22:46
popculturediner
Cause it's literally like a game show. Yeah. It's like an extended game show. And like, no, so I know Jeremy said that, but I thought Aaron or somebody else said it in a more derogatory way.
00:22:57
popculturediner
Not in a, like he had to play the game, but like in a.
00:23:03
popculturediner
Yeah. Cause he, cause he was like, I thought, I think I maybe it took the note. I'm going like really far, but.
00:23:07
Steve
No, it was great. Cause he was just like, uh, he was like, yeah, like Devin and you're like, okay, I can see that. And then.
00:23:12
popculturediner
And he was like, and he was like, Sam, the love virgin. Cause I just like don't think he's ready.
00:23:15
Steve
Yeah. And Sam, the other Sam. Oh, and then he was like, and Spencer and everybody was just like, what?
00:23:17
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:23:20
popculturediner
And it was, I was like, what?
00:23:21
Steve
Literally everyone's just like.
00:23:22
popculturediner
Yeah. That was, that was amazing. And they were like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Was it Hakeem who was like, what, what, what, what?
00:23:29
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:29
popculturediner
And they were like, and and here's the thing you can tell, I mean, like we, more you, you were questioning Spencer's kind of like, You know, Jack Russell, Golden Retriever, energy.
00:23:42
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:42
popculturediner
And I think all of the men on the show just like confirmed it being like, what are you talking about?
00:23:46
Steve
Yeah. Oh, exactly.
00:23:48
popculturediner
He's like, he's like the nicest guy on the show. Like he, everybody likes him. So what the hell is. Like it seems like in that. Oh, I mean, really him calling his mom adorable.
00:24:01
popculturediner
um So it was just funny because, yeah, the entire all of the men on stage were like, you you just like kind of like took your own, you know, opinions down and like quite a few notches because you lumped Spencer in there.
00:24:05
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:24:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:17
popculturediner
um Yeah, because, yeah, he said ah Love Virgin, Devon and Spencer love Virgin.
00:24:19
Steve
Mhm.
00:24:24
popculturediner
um Yeah, we'll get into the love version later probably. But anyway, so ah going back in time, so basically Jen and Devin are together and Jen is like, well, I have a hard time expressing myself and I want to do better for you. Like, I'm sorry, I wasn't reassuring you.
00:24:40
popculturediner
And she's like, I don't know how to be and like, I don't know all this kind of thing. And like, kind of like, this is a weird situation agreed. um And she's like, I want you to feel chosen.
00:24:51
popculturediner
And you know, I don't feel comfortable putting myself out there all the time. And then she's like, I don't know what I would do if you weren't here. And if I didn't feel the love from you.
00:24:59
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:25:00
popculturediner
And she's like, I do love you, you freaking idiot.
00:25:03
Steve
No.
00:25:04
popculturediner
which I guess is cute a little bit. um And I was like, whoa, it like kind of surprised me like the way that went down and everything.
00:25:10
Steve
Mm
00:25:13
popculturediner
And yeah, I mean,
00:25:13
Steve
hmm.
00:25:17
popculturediner
I'm still not sure. I mean, I'm sure she'll address it later. But yeah, I was I was surprised how that came down because it seemed like. But of course, this could be editing that she was pinning a lot on Marcus.
00:25:29
popculturediner
And then it was like Devin came and she's like, no, I'm like so focused on you.
00:25:29
Steve
Yeah.
00:25:34
popculturediner
So I was just like, well, OK. But that can just be things that get left out. So that doesn't totally surprise me. um And then, yeah, we get down to it.
00:25:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:25:44
popculturediner
Jonathan leaves sad, but we'll see him on Paradise, which is exciting. um And then and then Jen talks about like, OK, it's a really revealing time for me, um you know, doing all this stuff.
00:25:57
popculturediner
And I was like, yep, just in your heart or soul, nothing else because this is a puritanical show.
00:26:01
Steve
Hmm.
00:26:02
popculturediner
um And then, yeah, so, yeah, the audience. Oh, my God, they gasped. That was surprising.
00:26:10
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:10
popculturediner
So she's like, Devin and Marcus. And they're all like, oh, it's like, so any why?
00:26:16
Steve
I know. Cause everyone's just like, why?
00:26:19
popculturediner
ah Yeah. Like no one in the audience would have made that choice for all like, huh.
00:26:22
Steve
Yeah. Like, and it's, it's one thing where it's like, you really like him and I don't like him.
00:26:24
popculturediner
Okay.
00:26:27
Steve
I mean, that's how I feel about Devin. It's like, I'm not, I'm not rushing off to get engaged to Devin, but if that's your dude, that's your dude.
00:26:32
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:33
Steve
But like Marcus straight up told you, like, ah, she probably hit the dusty trail.
00:26:37
popculturediner
He's like, I'm not ready to get down on one knee. Yeah.
00:26:40
Steve
I'm not getting down on one knee. I don't even know if like you're my girl. o And she's like, but I love you. And then again, why?
00:26:49
popculturediner
And he's like, OK, well, I'm going to try really hard.
00:26:49
Steve
What?
00:26:51
popculturediner
It's like, OK, well, you've got like a couple of days like and you don't have that much time.
00:26:52
Steve
Try, yeah, it doesn't work that way.
00:26:57
Steve
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
00:26:57
popculturediner
Yeah, it's just really weird. um Yeah.
00:27:00
Steve
which and And then this has like my and synapses start firing and I'm like, oh God. So now I'm thinking, Despite what she said to Devin, like how, how far does this Marcus thing go?
00:27:13
Steve
And we have this tease in the beginning of the season and they're like, Oh, something's going to happen that no bachelorette has ever done before.
00:27:21
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:27:22
Steve
Blah, blah, blah. And. I think the conclusion that we came to and i think this is a conclusion that most of the nation came to is oh jen is going to propose and.
00:27:30
popculturediner
And we'll propose. Yeah.
00:27:33
Steve
After watching her interaction with marcus where she like forced him to stay basically throughout my love you kept him for the fantasy suite the whole thing.
00:27:41
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:27:44
Steve
Now I'm thinking like, is she just going to propose to Marcus? Cause he's not going to propose to her. Like that's where my head's at, which is mortifying just even to think about.
00:27:50
popculturediner
Oh, yeah.
00:27:55
popculturediner
Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, gosh, I don't know why that made me think of like, you know, love is blind and stuff where it's like, you know, you'll have one person like say, I will marry you.
00:27:55
Steve
So I.
00:28:07
popculturediner
And then you just said and then the other person's like, well, I'm not gonna.
00:28:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:11
popculturediner
And you're like, oh, my God.
00:28:13
Steve
That's fun.
00:28:13
popculturediner
And they make them go to the altar and then
00:28:16
Steve
Yeah, and do it there.
00:28:17
popculturediner
Awful, it's awful.
00:28:18
Steve
It's really awful stuff.
00:28:18
popculturediner
I get so uncomfortable.
00:28:20
Steve
Yeah, it's more fun when they see that, because they're they're a little too invested at that point.
00:28:20
popculturediner
um Yeah.
00:28:24
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:28:25
Steve
I like it better when they come out of the pods, they meet each other in the hallway, and one person's like, yay! And the other person's like, ugh.
00:28:34
popculturediner
yeah Yeah, yeah, they're like, you look gorgeous and they're like, you nice shoes, nice shoes.
00:28:34
Steve
That's fun.
00:28:39
Steve
You look like a person that I was talking to.
00:28:39
popculturediner
I like those. but yeah like and She looked like Megan Fox.
00:28:46
Steve
Oh, the Megan Fox thing.
00:28:49
popculturediner
Listen, and i you know i actually I'm not going to come for her for that.
00:28:52
Steve
No.
00:28:52
popculturediner
because i could i You can see it in certain expressions and stuff.
00:28:54
Steve
You see it. Yeah, he squints.
00:28:56
popculturediner
You can see it. You can see it. Um, but anyway, I just, I just, that's the thing that jumped into my head because that was a funny one.
00:29:02
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:29:04
popculturediner
That was a funny one. Um, so yeah. So, okay. So we talk about, let's see, wait, why did I get all the way down here? What the heck happened? Okay. So yeah. So this is the thing that's also, I think your prediction could very much be true.
00:29:17
popculturediner
I feel like it's not just Jen proposing. It's something else. It's like, it's something, it's a different angle or it's something bigger or. She like takes the rose back or something because they have that shot of her like putting the rose down you know and I'm like what if she
00:29:33
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:29:36
popculturediner
What if she does something and then she like changes her mind and she like takes the rose back? Like
Behind the Scenes and Tech Talk
00:29:41
Steve
Anything is possible.
00:29:41
popculturediner
maybe it's a J like, listen, not that they can do foreshadowing like this, but there's been a lot of Jason and Molly on this season.
00:29:47
popculturediner
That's all I'm saying. They like go into the past and I did them in. Uh, anyway, so yeah, this, this part was tough with Jonathan. He was just like, I took too long to realize how incredible you are, which in real world, no, you didn't, but in this world, sure.
00:30:03
Steve
Yeah, you took a reasonable amount of time. I'm sorry that like you took it seriously. like
00:30:08
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm sorry. You were like totally normal and fine. And he's like, and then, yeah, what you taught me about myself, I think you're perfect for me. And I wasn't perfect for you. And that was a really hard pill to swallow.
00:30:18
Steve
That's real sad.
00:30:19
popculturediner
I know I was like, this is very heartbreaking. And she just kind of looked like, like, if that wouldn't make you question your decision, I don't know.
00:30:29
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:30:29
popculturediner
I don't know what would.
00:30:29
Steve
Cause that's like a really like smart, sad, sweet thing to say.
00:30:33
popculturediner
And yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't like angry, it wasn't manipulative, it was just like reflective, like this is what happened and I'm sorry, I didn't live up to the expectations you had for me.
00:30:35
Steve
Ooh.
00:30:39
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:44
popculturediner
And and and I got in my own way.
00:30:46
Steve
Yeah. Compare that to like what Sam M said when he left. He was just like, her eyes were dead.
00:30:49
popculturediner
Well, he's gonna keep the main thing, the main thing.
00:30:50
Steve
Her vibes were bad. Main thing, main thing.
00:30:53
popculturediner
but My thing, my thing. So, yeah. And then this was said, too, as they're talking, you hear like the vehicle gas up in the background like the van goes or whatever, whatever they're in.
00:31:02
Steve
That was great. That was a nice little drop. I like that.
00:31:04
popculturediner
And I was like, oh, that's so sad. um So then we get to see all the men on the mental all. And by the way, so happy Brett's getting so much love. So, so happy because.
00:31:14
Steve
Oh yeah. And getting sexy DMs.
00:31:16
popculturediner
Yes, I mean, as long as he's OK with it, I'm OK with it.
00:31:16
Steve
Whoo.
00:31:19
Steve
Which it's funny that they chose him because like, this is a, uh,
00:31:23
popculturediner
I'm sure all of they all get them, but yeah.
00:31:25
Steve
Yeah. Everybody that's been on the show, I guarantee they're all getting like crazy DMS from all kinds of women, but it's just fun with Brett because I don't know. They just chose to feature him. Like he's, he's going to be a star on paradise too.
00:31:37
Steve
Like we need our boy back.
00:31:37
popculturediner
Yeah, he's so lovable. I'm just so happy because, yeah, because we were like Hakim is our John Paul Jones this season and Brett would be our Rodney. And then he was just gone immediately. And I was like, no, we need him. He's so good.
00:31:52
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:52
popculturediner
Yeah, he's so he's so fun. So I was so happy because I was like, was it just me? Was it just us who are excited? But it was nice to see that like people were ah excited to like see him get featured a little bit.
00:32:05
popculturediner
And also he didn't oversee his welcome.
00:32:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:07
popculturediner
You know, he was in and out very quickly.
00:32:08
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:32:09
popculturediner
He said his little piece, he shared his little thing, and then he just was polite on stage, and that's how you behave, b Brian.
00:32:17
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:32:17
popculturediner
um so ah But yeah, good for good for Brett. and then and then ah And then we have a little montage of all the stuff that happened in the season. And and it showed, again, in that montage that Sam the Love Virgin did say falling in love.
00:32:33
popculturediner
He said it and then Jen was like, oh, no one said it to me yet, which is just so brutal and I just love it. And that was fun to rewatch and go, he did say it.
00:32:39
Steve
Yeah. I love, love virgin erasure. It feels good.
00:32:43
popculturediner
Yeah, it feels so good with his crypto and serial entrepreneurship and, you know, all the bullshit.
00:32:46
Steve
Yeah. No one who matters said it to me. yeah Yeah.
00:32:51
popculturediner
Anyway.
00:32:52
Steve
As a podcast guy, it's, it's good to see someone and call them out as like a real podcast guy. Cause like,
00:32:57
popculturediner
Yeah, he's such a podcast guy. Like it's so embarrassing. um Yeah.
Confrontations and Critiques
00:33:03
popculturediner
Oh, this is like a fun little flex. So I talked to the CEO of the startup that I've been working for for a long time.
00:33:10
popculturediner
They hire like freelancers and stuff like they've got like, I don't know, 5000 freelancers or something under them, whatever.
00:33:13
Steve
Mm hmm. Well.
00:33:16
popculturediner
And so we talked the other day and he was like, he was like, Oh my God, I love your setup. And he's like, are you a Twitch streamer? And I was like, well, I do stream on Twitch and I also have a podcast. And he was like, Oh wow. And, and he is like, and he is like, I'm embarrassed because my webcam does not look that good. And I was like, Oh, I have a DSLR. So
00:33:37
popculturediner
and He's like, you do? I was like, yeah, Sony A6000 is no big deal. It's fine. um
00:33:40
Steve
Fancy, fancy.
00:33:42
popculturediner
Yeah, it was just funny. so Anyway, like if you're going to be a podcast guy or gal or person, you should up your game is all I'm saying.
00:33:47
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah, once we start going on video I had to like I had to buy a light and a camera I
00:33:49
popculturediner
Get better gear. um but yeah so
00:33:55
popculturediner
Yeah, youre like you were like, Sammy, does the light look okay? I just collected all these books from when I worked at Half Price Books.
00:34:00
Steve
just want to be pretty Mm
00:34:03
popculturediner
um Yeah, was that there I feel like I didn't take any notes on this, because I probably, I also like was just working out a lot during this. Sorry, full disclosure, I had a lot of stuff to do, so I had to get swole while I was watching.
00:34:15
Steve
-hmm
00:34:16
popculturediner
Um, all of these, you know, rock hard abdomen. Um, and wasn't Sam like bickering with somebody else about like money and stuff like that? Like I heard them say something about like how much money you make, blah, blah, blah. And they were like going back and forth a little bit. You know what I'm talking about?
00:34:31
Steve
Yeah. The thing is, is like Sam was like bickering with everyone. Both the Sams were like little mosquitoes buzzing around the whole time.
00:34:35
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:34:38
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:34:38
Steve
Uh, it was, yeah, it was nothing a note. I mean, they're both just like, they, they wilted at everything because it's, it's all right there in front of you. And then I think the best part was when Jen came out and she completely like dressed down Sam M and just demolished him.
00:34:56
Steve
It was beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
00:34:57
popculturediner
Yeah, that was that was really good. I can't find the note. Anyway, I heard something about, cause I was like, did one of them listen to that podcast afterwards?
00:35:05
Steve
Hahaha.
00:35:05
popculturediner
Like I need to know, tell me if you're watching this mental stage goers, tell me, I won't tell anyone else, but I need to know if you watched Sam's really cringy podcast that I couldn't even get through five minutes of it.
00:35:19
popculturediner
it was i soon it i mean I just started like blacking out. I was just like, Well, where am I? I just heard a lot of stuff about blockchain and I'm just not interested anymore. um So anyway, ah yeah. And then we get the little scene with Aaron and yeah. And everybody is like, yeah, I wrote Hakim is all of us because he is he's like, you know, it's like it's good to have like the voice of the audience and like in a more comedic, like um cartoony way. He's so good at that. He's so fun on TV. Anyway, I was just so happy to see him get featured a lot on the mental all.
00:35:52
popculturediner
Um, and then yeah, everybody loves Spencer. That's so cute. And then we get to like the end of the Aaron segment and he brought up the book and nobody admitted the book was fake.
00:36:01
Steve
Yeah, that I was waiting for it.
00:36:02
popculturediner
That book is fake.
00:36:02
Steve
I was like i like, when are we going to talk about it? And the show won't admit it because
00:36:06
popculturediner
They did not admit it.
00:36:08
Steve
That's got to be somebody must have written a line like you can't talk about how the books fake because it must have been a production prop that they just gave to Aaron to be a dick like it had this whole thing.
00:36:16
popculturediner
Mm-hmm.
00:36:16
Steve
I mean, Aaron is a dick, but like they it was all orchestrated by production. So you can't pull back the the curtain on Oz. All right, so we're not talking about the book.
00:36:24
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:36:26
Steve
But on this podcast, we talk about how the books fake because we know that's right.
00:36:30
popculturediner
We keep it real here. I mean, either the book is fake or it was like extremely self published.
00:36:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:38
popculturediner
In like such a way that the person doesn't want to make any money.
00:36:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:42
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:36:44
popculturediner
OK, and having.
00:36:44
Steve
Yeah. Which even then, if you googled it, like it would show up because like anyone who self publishes, they use Amazon self publishing because it's like the biggest audience for the least amount of money.
00:36:47
popculturediner
Right.
00:36:53
popculturediner
Right.
00:36:55
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:36:56
Steve
What who else would you use to self publish? Like there's no way it's real. It's totally a production prop. I'm calling it has to be.
00:37:01
popculturediner
It has to be. It has to be. I mean, everything I i mean, unless the SEO is terrible, it was like self published on like a really small like local, you know, publisher or something or like not a publisher, but like a small service or something or or it was through a small publisher.
00:37:16
Steve
But the typo Sammy the typo
00:37:19
popculturediner
That's true. That's true. Well, Okay, I don't know if I ever talked about this, but a few years ago, I'm gonna keep this vague. I did press releases for people who like self-published stuff. Well, they didn't self-publish. It was through a publisher, but it was through like kind of a janky publisher. And then they would do these press releases and I was hired to like write the press releases. And these were also people who would like go to like pay for pay to play like award shows.
00:37:49
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:49
popculturediner
You know, so it'd be like, they'd rotate through people and it's like, you'd win the award, you know, one, like you put in this much money and you're going to win an award.
00:37:55
Steve
he
00:37:56
popculturediner
that Then you can say that you're an award winning, whatever.
00:37:59
Steve
Ordering author, yeah. It's great.
00:38:02
popculturediner
And one of the people who like would go to those events was like Tom Girardi of, you know, uh, very shady law origins.
00:38:13
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:38:14
popculturediner
So anyway, um, that does happen. So, and I will say, I don't really think a lot of that type of work is very effective and they don't necessarily understand ah SEO or basic marketing principles.
00:38:20
Steve
Down.
00:38:27
popculturediner
So if it was something like that, and it was someone that like Aaron worked with or like met at some like networking thing. and just hands out books and is bad at promoting.
00:38:35
Steve
Down.
00:38:38
popculturediner
that is i'm just That is literally the only possible way that it could be an actual book.
00:38:43
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:45
popculturediner
but it's so fake I mean, it's just like you don't eat the date food and you don't talk about the fake book. I guess those are like the two rules.
00:38:50
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:38:51
popculturediner
I don't know.
00:38:52
Steve
Those the rules.
00:38:52
popculturediner
Anyway, so strange. um um But OK, then. and Oh, then we talk about the issues with Sam, the love virgin. And then, yeah, there I just wrote that there was like a lot of bickering.
00:39:06
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:39:06
popculturediner
That was basically my note for that. um And then OK. And then, yeah, people were complaining about Devin. And this was the thing that I put down is that Jeremy cited Mean Girls at this point.
00:39:17
Steve
ah
00:39:17
popculturediner
And I was like, well, you are securing yourself in the fandom.
00:39:20
Steve
Yeah, bachelor nation very happy
00:39:21
popculturediner
You're He was like, you know, like that scene from Mean Girls where, you know, um, you know, I think it was like Katie who was like, you know, hates, to like hates Regina George, but can't stop talking about her, you know, and it's like, I hate her, but I'm so obsessed with her. He's like, that's what you all sound like talking about Devin. Just saying.
00:39:39
popculturediner
And weird, it's kind of weird.
00:39:41
popculturediner
And I was like, wow, ah that's pretty good. um And then, and then, yeah, Brian, annoying, but he did talk about how Sam M is meaningless and strong agree.
00:39:41
Steve
yeah
00:39:52
popculturediner
I mean, Sam M is the most ah meaningless, nothing husk of a man I've ever seen on the show.
00:39:52
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:39:58
popculturediner
If anyone has dull eyes, it's him because there's nothing in there.
00:40:02
Steve
Nothing in there.
00:40:02
popculturediner
so light The lights, the lights aren't on.
00:40:05
Steve
Nope, no.
00:40:06
popculturediner
that You know, no, no lights, no one home abandoned type of a type of a head.
00:40:07
Steve
Absolutely nothing going on.
00:40:13
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:13
popculturediner
um
00:40:14
Steve
I still can't believe that there was a Reddit thread where someone tried to say, uh, actually, he was really smart in high schools. Like, nope, you're fake.
00:40:19
popculturediner
Yeah, I said that to you.
00:40:20
Steve
Not real.
00:40:21
popculturediner
I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast, but I was like, what do you think about this? And you're like, I still think he's like a box of racks. And I was like, OK, never. No.
00:40:27
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:28
popculturediner
um
00:40:28
Steve
There's no way. I mean, I was, it was interesting to scroll through because it it certainly wasn't like complimentary of him completely.
00:40:35
popculturediner
no
00:40:35
Steve
But then I'm like, there's no way that he was, he could not have done that while in high school.
00:40:40
popculturediner
Yeah, maybe he was smart because he like copied off of someone's homework or something and you just thought he was smart.
00:40:42
Steve
Yeah. I'd like to see him in an English class.
00:40:45
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:40:45
Steve
That's all I'm saying.
00:40:46
popculturediner
Yeah. Or maybe he just like acted like he was smart, but like he didn't show people his grades. I don't know. Just something like that. He was just like, well, I'm just keeping the main thing, the main thing. And I'm going to, I'm going to do that AP test.
00:40:56
popculturediner
But then he never told you what his AP score was, you know, that kind of thing.
00:41:00
Steve
Right.
00:41:00
popculturediner
um And also on that Reddit thread, they talked about like him getting cheated on. It sounds like his ex wasn't a treat, which could be true. I mean, I don't know, um but he's also not a treat. So, you know, two people can be awful.
00:41:13
Steve
Right. Yeah, there you go.
00:41:14
popculturediner
There's no limit to how many people are awful in the world.
00:41:16
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:41:16
popculturediner
um But yeah, Sam's just coming up with like a bunch of bullshit when he's in the hot seat. And then he's like, well, no, I didn't say she was dull. I said her eyes were dull. And I'm like, is that better? And it's not like you were saying it like you were
Show Strategy and Contestant Preferences
00:41:29
popculturediner
hurt.
00:41:29
popculturediner
He wasn't like, oh, like when her eyes went dull and she said that to me, like I realized that like this was not going to happen.
00:41:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:36
popculturediner
And that was like heartbreaking, devastating, whatever. he was just like It was like very much like, a well, you're ugly anyway.
00:41:39
Steve
No.
00:41:43
Steve
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:43
popculturediner
So, like, I didn't even want you, you know? And someone at some point, I think it was Jeremy, was like, well, you know, I guess you wish it was Daisy or Maria up here.
00:41:54
popculturediner
And he was like, ah we all like, come on, you can't say that you wanted that. And a lot of the men were like, no, no, no.
00:41:59
Steve
a
00:42:03
popculturediner
And he was just alone on an island. They were just like, nope, we were actually totally OK with this.
00:42:07
Steve
dude Dude also it's like even if that's what you thought ah ah Which one it's like why would you think that like I mean you may have like we thought like oh it was gonna be one of those two and then they announced Jen but like I he could have dropped out at that point.
00:42:26
Steve
Or like, if that wasn't his thing, like he didn't have no one twisted his arm to be on the show.
00:42:26
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:42:30
Steve
But even if he thought one of them was hotter or whatever, why would you one say that? And then to be like, am I right, fellas? Like they are also like you have just you didn't just shoot yourself in the foot.
00:42:42
Steve
You like blew your leg off at the at the knee. And then you're trying to hand the gun to everybody else.
00:42:45
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:42:47
Steve
No one's going to touch that.
00:42:49
popculturediner
Right.
00:42:49
Steve
Why would you?
00:42:49
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:42:49
Steve
think
00:42:50
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, because he doesn't think like that doesn't that doesn't read smart to me.
00:42:52
Steve
No.
00:42:55
popculturediner
But also, yeah.
00:42:55
Steve
Come on fellas. Am I right? No.
00:42:58
popculturediner
And they're like, no, weirdo. um But like, yeah.
00:43:00
Steve
Yeah. And even if I agreed with you, no.
00:43:03
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm not going to say that, but I mean, also a lot of the times, like I know that I'm part of the questionnaire. It's not just for paradise, like I'm paradise. They'll say, like, who would you like to see in paradise?
00:43:13
popculturediner
And then they sometimes they'll bring people down strategically to like date or to cause drama or whatever.
00:43:19
popculturediner
um But I know on the show and the intake, they do ask them, like, who would you like to see as like bachelor or bachelorette? And they'll say like, oh, I have these.
00:43:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:29
popculturediner
These are some of my favorites. These are some people I really like. And I do think they still try to stack the contestants with people who say like Jen, they're not going to like stack the deck against them and say, well, anyone but Jen and then be like, well, you're coming on the show.
00:43:38
Steve
Yeah, sure.
00:43:44
popculturediner
It's like, they're not, they're not like shooting her in the foot that much.
00:43:45
Steve
The thing is, though, is like Jen on on the season of The Bachelor that she was on, she was like a mid-tier contestant.
00:43:53
popculturediner
Yes.
00:43:53
Steve
like She wasn't around that much. she she i mean She made it about to the halfway point.
00:43:54
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:43:57
popculturediner
It was like similar to charity where we just didn't see a lot of her.
00:44:00
Steve
No, you didn't see a lot of her, and like she had like one moment where she just had this catty interaction, and that was it, and you were just like,
00:44:01
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:44:07
Steve
hey So yeah, i I don't think a lot of people were like, yeah, Jen, like it couldn't have been that many.
00:44:13
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:44:14
Steve
So yeah.
00:44:14
popculturediner
But I'm sure, but I'm sure like there were men who were like attracted and I'm sure they b list more than one for the most part.
00:44:18
Steve
Yeah, sure, sure.
00:44:21
popculturediner
So I'm saying like, I'm guessing Jen was still probably on the list of women that he addressed in his intake. Who knows?
00:44:28
Steve
Yeah, who knows?
00:44:28
popculturediner
But I would guess that he did. And then he's like, it's like to save. I don't know. To me, it reads like to save face. Like, well, I was more interested. You know, like you can't reject me because I'm going to reject you first or or like or it's like pick up artists stuff.
00:44:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:42
popculturediner
Like, well, I think I will endear you more to me if I say that I'm interested in them.
00:44:42
Steve
ah
00:44:47
popculturediner
I don't know. That's just how it reads to me.
00:44:48
Steve
Yeah, it's it's real cringy shit. It is.
00:44:51
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:44:51
Steve
And it it is. And this happens quite frequently with the the you can't fire me. I quit approach to getting broken up with which is it doesn't work.
00:44:57
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:45:00
Steve
I'm sorry.
00:45:01
popculturediner
Yeah, so yeah, so that was annoying. um Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that Hakeem is like supportive of Sam, but maybe that'll change, you know, whatever. We all have our questionable friends.
00:45:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:45:14
popculturediner
um And then we get a good clip package of Jonathan, good journey, sad sad journey. He got the best edit this year, in my opinion. And he's also the first person to be invited to Paradise. And that was
Unboxing the Jilly Box
00:45:25
popculturediner
very exciting.
00:45:25
popculturediner
Is this a good time for us to start unboxing Jilly? Because I don't want us to go the whole way without a Jilly unboxing.
00:45:31
Steve
Yeah, I think so.
00:45:32
popculturediner
Yeah, let's do it. We're 45 minutes in and we're going to start unboxing Jilly as we go for like the last few little things that happen at the end.
00:45:36
Steve
i
00:45:39
Steve
little little nuggets. Yeah. Yeah. So the the Jonathan teaser while you get that thing. It's like that's that's a no brainer. Like, oh my you want to talk about you bring that guy down on the beach.
00:45:46
popculturediner
who
00:45:50
Steve
Oh, there's the chili box. You bring you bring a guy like Jonathan down on the beach and it's the women are going to be swimming like sharks like just circling them circling them.
00:45:58
popculturediner
Yeah, it's going to be it's going to get really competitive. It's going to be really interesting. And but I can't believe you've got it like it's like I wonder if there's going to be some people who get invited and don't go because that's a year like you might not be single in a year.
00:46:12
popculturediner
I don't know.
00:46:12
Steve
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
00:46:13
popculturediner
Yeah, that's a long time.
00:46:14
Steve
Yeah. they They better have backups for literally everyone.
00:46:16
popculturediner
Yeah, that's like a long time to wait.
00:46:17
Steve
Cause it's like, what are you, you're just not going to date anyone for a year.
00:46:20
popculturediner
Yeah, or we're just have funsies, I guess, go you know, go have funsies.
00:46:20
Steve
All right. Yeah. Just funds. I mean, that's fine too, but also it's like, geez, that's a, that's a big commitment.
00:46:24
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:46:27
popculturediner
That is a long time or they'll, or what they might have is like, Oh yeah, we went to like stage coach or whatever, you know, and like, and it might be more of that stuff because it's been a year and it'll be like, well, we've been like talking on and off.
00:46:34
Steve
Yeah.
00:46:39
popculturediner
You'll probably see a lot of that happen on the beach next year.
00:46:41
Steve
Oh, for sure. For sure.
00:46:42
popculturediner
So that'll be really interesting. This box smells really good without even having opened it.
00:46:44
Steve
Yeah. Ooh.
00:46:47
popculturediner
So I hope that means that something didn't break. You know, I'm like, this smells amazing.
00:46:51
Steve
Yeah, there's there's just like essential oils wrenching the whole thing.
00:46:54
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, yeah, maybe. Oh yeah. There's a bottle. Wait, I don't know if it's open though. Okay. This one's a little in disarray, but it smells so good. Um, to be fair, it was on hold for like several days while I was in Kansas city.
00:47:06
Steve
Hmm.
00:47:07
popculturediner
Um, so this is the jilly box fall 2024. I will not open this yet, but I will read it to you later, but let's open. Like, I think this is the thing that smells good. Oh yeah. Okay. So this is a room in linen spray called clothesline.
00:47:20
popculturediner
And it smells like, cause I was like, God, it smells like fresh laundry.
00:47:20
Steve
oo Ooh.
00:47:23
popculturediner
Like.
00:47:24
Steve
yeah
00:47:25
popculturediner
It smells really good um sometimes I don't like the fresh laundry smell like it's too overwhelming, but this is like a little bit sweeter.
00:47:32
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:47:32
popculturediner
um They say to spray upwards toward the ceiling or towards an object you wish to freshen. keep out of open flames, but it's really, it's, you know, it's got that cutie cursivey font that so I go here, have it.
00:47:42
Steve
I thought you're gonna spray your camera with it at first. this Hey, there you go.
00:47:47
popculturediner
Okay. There you go. Close line. Um, so yeah. So, okay. Uh, Oh, here we go.
00:47:54
Steve
I think with Jonathan, they should, when he gets the paradise, he's the first guy on the beach, and then the next five people are all women, and they have to spend the first like half of the day just fighting over him.
00:48:06
Steve
That would be ideal for me.
00:48:06
popculturediner
I think that sounds fun. Well, so Jonathan also, again, his TikTok game is very strong, um like very strong. And he posted like he goes, he like commits completely.
00:48:18
popculturediner
Like he gets in full costume. He does like a whole themed thing. So he did the entire, and we might have it reposted on our TikTok. I did, I did send it to, to our VA to like post it.
00:48:29
popculturediner
So she might've posted it already.
00:48:29
Steve
Mm-hmm
00:48:31
popculturediner
um But he did the full like paradise intro, but it was just all him. So and doing different things. So it was like, you know, it was like him on the beach, like, you know, like in his like medical robe showing his butt.
00:48:46
Steve
Mm-hmm
00:48:47
popculturediner
And then it was like him in glasses doing a crossword. And it was and it was like little moments from the show and like things he likes.
00:48:50
Steve
it
00:48:54
popculturediner
And and I and I commented and I said, oops, all Jonathan's, you know, because that's what. But it was really good. He did like the whole paradise interest. So he's obviously very excited.
00:49:04
popculturediner
I would be surprised if he wasn't there. So I think he will make it there.
00:49:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:49:08
popculturediner
Um, but yeah, so, okay, then we get the, I mean, if we have time to watch some of this, I think we should do a special episode on the Mormon reality show, because I am going to be watching it. So if you want to do a very special episode, um, and I know I owe other very special episodes and we've got like a couple weeks of lull or at least like one week of lull.
00:49:18
Steve
Oh my gosh.
00:49:27
popculturediner
So maybe we can fit one in there. Um, but I want to, I was planning on watching this anyway. Are you interested in watching it and covering it?
00:49:33
Steve
I'm very interested in this because it was great because when they were showing the Mormon commercial, they were showing the trailer for the show.
00:49:34
popculturediner
Okay.
00:49:41
Steve
And then they did picture in picture where the camera was just fixated on Hakeem to watch him react to it.
00:49:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:49:47
Steve
And me and Hakeem were making all the same faces. We're just like, okay.
00:49:49
popculturediner
Yeah. He was like, now I knew about this already. I've already seen this trailer. Um, and I've also saw a lot of this go down in the moment when it was happening on TikTok.
00:49:59
Steve
okay
00:50:00
popculturediner
So I knew like they were like, yeah, did you know there was this like Mormon group of swingers on TikTok and they just like one
00:50:07
Steve
So we're not in the same TikTok circles, obviously.
00:50:08
popculturediner
one person got upset and it all fell apart. And I was like, no, what, you know? And so I've heard about this and I'm like, Ooh, I definitely want to watch the show.
00:50:13
Steve
you
00:50:18
popculturediner
So we'll do like a very special episode or something like that.
00:50:20
Steve
No.
00:50:21
popculturediner
Um, yeah. Okay, cool. I was, I was really, I was really pumped about that. And right before we talk about grant, let's see. Okay. That's a coupon. Okay. Let's look at, Oh gosh. Something is making me know such.
00:50:32
popculturediner
Evelina Beauty for the Jilly Box.
00:50:36
Steve
Whoa, is that like a makeup bag?
00:50:37
popculturediner
Okay.
00:50:38
Steve
What is it?
00:50:39
popculturediner
Yeah, it's a makeup bag, but there's also something in it. It's not just to make a bag. By the way, that overnight bag, that weekender bag, I use it all the time.
00:50:46
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:50:47
popculturediner
I just use it to go to Kansas City.
00:50:48
Steve
I'd say, did you use it in Kansas City?
00:50:50
popculturediner
sure did. I love that thing. It's amazing. I use it all the time. I think these are brushes, which I don't have any nice brushes. So thanks, Julie.
00:50:56
Steve
That's good.
00:50:57
popculturediner
I just have like cheapo brushes. Oh, these are nice. Oh, they're cute. They've got a nice style to them.
00:51:05
Steve
Wow.
00:51:05
popculturediner
Nice little brushes are very soft to the touch. I've got like there's like four of them in here. It's the signature ah brush collection powder blush eyeshadow and liner.
00:51:17
popculturediner
That's perfect. And I don't, I've got like mismatch brushes and they aren't that cute. So actually this could be speaking of travel. I've been like, it would be nice. We were just talking about like, just having some things at the ready to just grab and go like a copy of things so that you don't have to worry about.
00:51:30
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:51:32
popculturediner
Oh, I forgot this. I forgot that. And just have travel size things.
00:51:34
Steve
Yeah.
00:51:36
popculturediner
I was looking at, um, God, what is that company call? Is it called cadence? something like that. They have like those little um they're like magnetic um containers that like snap together and then they have like the lids that that have like different labels that you can snap on and off that are also magnetic and I'm like those seem really handy like that and one of those like stackable makeup things I'm like it would be nice to just have all of that in a bag and then just just go because I mean listen friends I am a jet setter actually I'm just a road tripper
00:51:47
Steve
Oh, ya yeah, yeah. Mm hmm.
00:52:08
popculturediner
yeah And I travel a lot. Like I'm out of town like once a month usually. So it gets me a pain in the ass. So this is kind of nice. I'm like, these might be my travel brushes, which they're really nice travel brushes.
00:52:19
Steve
Yeah, I would highly recommend that. When I was traveling a lot for work, and thankfully I don't have to anymore, I did this like i have a bag, and inside the bag is like all my stuff, and then it would literally just be, I just gotta throw clothes in here and go, because it was just all ready.
00:52:32
popculturediner
Yeah, I've been I've been wanting to do that. So I'm like, thank you, Julie, for getting me that much closer to my dream of ah just a grab and go bag with a copy of toiletries that will work on the road because I always find myself being unless I'm like going somewhere that I know is going to be like, I don't know.
00:52:50
popculturediner
I'm like we went to a supper club when we traveled like a couple of months ago and I wanted to like dress up, meet cute and whatever.
00:52:53
Steve
Mm-hmm No,
00:52:55
popculturediner
Not that you have to dress up in a supper club ever, but I like to.
00:52:58
Steve
it's great though when you go to a supper club like there could be a guy in like jean shorts and a t-shirt and like a Dusty Packers hat and another guy in like a suit and it's they're both equally fine in that space
00:53:00
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:53:10
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. I saw a guy in like a windbreaker last time. I was like, you do you.
00:53:14
Steve
Also people outside of like, I don't know, Minnesota or or Wisconsin are like, what the hell is a supper club? But just think a more welcoming steakhouse, but very kitschy and fun and just, and they're all over Wisconsin.
00:53:21
popculturediner
Well, yeah.
00:53:27
Steve
so
00:53:28
popculturediner
Yeah, well, yeah, there's if you go to supper clubs and other places like Kansas City has a supper club, but it's really just like a nice restaurant. It's not a summer club.
00:53:35
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:53:36
popculturediner
um We've talked about this on the podcast before, but um supper clubs were really designed to be like dinner places. And then they also have a place that you go to after dinner to catch a show.
00:53:47
popculturediner
So that was like originally the idea.
00:53:47
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:53:48
popculturediner
But think like multiple courses, you know, like like um relish trays, like.
00:53:56
Steve
Which is not what you think it is.
00:53:57
popculturediner
No.
00:53:57
Steve
You're just it's just like a fucking radish on a plate. You're like, what is it, relish?
00:54:01
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like it's like vegetables and mustard and um like crackers and cheese and pate sometimes or whatever.
00:54:08
Steve
Yeah, basically.
00:54:10
popculturediner
um It's kind of like what that one that one girl on TikTok ate with the mustard and the cottage cheese and stuff. But anyway, that's a whole other. That's a big rabbit hole. Can't go down that right now. um But yeah, so you know when I'm dressing up for something like that, then maybe I'll pack some extra stuff. But generally, it's like if I just had a stack of makeup that I could just swipe on my face, I'd probably be good to go. like i I tend not to put in that much effort when I'm traveling because I'm just like, oh, I'm just trying to get out the door. I'm just trying to get this stuff done. So anyway, ah thank you, Jillie.
Organization and Lifestyle Discussions
00:54:42
popculturediner
um And then, OK, now we hear from Jen. She comes out. Oh, also, sorry, they play the grant package. ah Hakeem and Jonathan both co-sign him. That's good enough for me.
00:54:53
popculturediner
I'm excited to see Grant. I'm hoping he will pleasantly surprise us and be good.
00:54:57
Steve
Yep.
00:54:58
popculturediner
um My mom's a fan. Mom, if you're listening so there you can you can hear that I have acknowledged that you are a fan.
00:55:04
Steve
Well, if he's good enough for Sammy's mom, I guess I'll give him a chance.
00:55:07
popculturediner
She goes, oh, I like him. I think he's really sweet.
00:55:11
Steve
That's nice.
00:55:12
popculturediner
Yeah, and so I was like, OK, well, if you like him.
00:55:13
Steve
um I'm too cynical.
00:55:15
popculturediner
Yeah, I was like, do you like him? That's great. I don't know what this thing is that I'm touching. I guess I should probably show you because I have no idea what the hell this is.
00:55:21
Steve
Oh.
00:55:22
popculturediner
What is this?
00:55:25
Steve
Well, I, I have no idea what I'm looking at. It looks like a, it looks like ah something my cat would scratch.
00:55:27
popculturediner
It's called twig and tassel. It's very sturdy. I don't know. Yeah, I'm like, is it a bath mat? This this ah this confuses me and intrigues me.
00:55:38
Steve
I like that for the first time in jilly box history, you may have an item where we can figure out what it is until you actually read the explanation of what it is.
00:55:44
popculturediner
Yeah. I'm like, what the hell is this? Oh yeah. Those bells that I got like last year, they're up, they're up by my altar now.
00:55:47
Steve
mean no Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:55:52
popculturediner
Yeah. And the other bell, the dinner bell is by our dining room table.
00:55:56
Steve
I love that. You just call Tuck for dinner every night.
00:55:57
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, we've been using it for like family stuff.
00:56:00
Steve
Tuck, food's on!
00:56:02
popculturediner
Like a family comes over, we'll ring it. Cause we think that's kind of fun. But outside of that, we haven't been using it. We did have a conversation though, just today. Um, this is another tick tock thing. I saw this woman on tick tock.
00:56:12
popculturediner
She's got like nine kids. So again, this isn't necessarily reasonable for me with my.
00:56:14
Steve
oh
00:56:18
popculturediner
two dogs, but um she's, she bought, she calls it a salad bar. I guess you would call it a salad bar. She's got like that thing that you would see at like a subway, you know, with all the, all the containers at the top and it's got a cooler on the top.
00:56:27
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:56:32
popculturediner
So you've got all the vegetables in there. And then you've got the doors in the bottom and she's got that like with prepped food, you know, for the week.
00:56:39
Steve
No.
00:56:39
popculturediner
And she said she fills it like a couple of times a week for the kids. And she's like, yeah. We just make salads and I'll prep like I cut up an entire like roast Turkey from Costco. We've got some hard boiled eggs in there. We keep like cheese and nuts and fruit in the bottom and like bread and stuff. If they want to make sandwiches, I was like.
00:57:01
popculturediner
That's genius. And so I said to Tuck, I was like, would you ever, I thought he was going to say no immediately. And I said, would you ever be interested in like owning like a salad bar thing?
00:57:12
popculturediner
And like, and just having like on demand salads. And he goes, I've been thinking about that for a really long time.
00:57:18
Steve
Hahaha!
00:57:18
popculturediner
I was like, you have, he goes, yeah, I like almost bought whatever, i like I've been thinking about buying whatever. And I was like, Really? And so um we're, we're our plan, big news, we're planning on auditioning it in our fridge, and kind of like buying the containers and seeing if we use them.
00:57:28
Steve
yeah
00:57:33
Steve
Wow.
00:57:37
popculturediner
And then if we do, then we're gonna get like a salad bar. I'm like, that sounds so fun.
00:57:42
Steve
i I love that for you guys.
00:57:42
popculturediner
Anyway.
00:57:43
Steve
Also, yeah what is it?
00:57:44
popculturediner
Oh, what? It's like a store.
00:57:47
Steve
Is it a hat?
00:57:47
popculturediner
It's like a storage basket.
00:57:49
Steve
Okay.
00:57:50
popculturediner
Yeah. And actually, I just did
00:57:51
Steve
So it could be a hat if you have a giant head.
00:57:54
popculturediner
I just did a bunch of like um organizing today and I'm like, we just need more storage solutions because we have so much crap and we don't have things to store them in. So anyway, this is, I'm trying to punch.
00:58:02
Steve
thing. There you go. Now you got one. Could you put it on your head just for scale?
00:58:08
popculturediner
I can do that. Hold on. I'm trying to like get it undone. This is like logistically difficult. Hold on. Okay, let me put this down too. Ooh, I get a snack. Ooh, I got a snack from the company.
00:58:19
popculturediner
I can't, okay, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna show you, but I'm very, well, I'll show you in a minute, not right now. Okay, so this is like the basket. yeah This is for scale and for the thumbnail.
00:58:26
Steve
There you go. Sammy, you've never looked better.
00:58:33
popculturediner
So, man.
00:58:33
Steve
a Like you didn't see that going for a mile away.
00:58:36
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:58:38
Steve
That's a nice, that's a nice little tote thing though.
00:58:40
popculturediner
It is nice.
00:58:40
Steve
That's nice.
00:58:41
popculturediner
It is nice. And actually we've got like, well, I don't know if I'll use it for dog toys because that might be like untoward, but, um, I did edit a bunch of our dogs twice because, and I got rid of like half of them and they're still overflowing.
00:58:55
popculturediner
And I'm like, what do I do?
00:58:56
Steve
There you go.
00:58:57
popculturediner
So, but this might actually, uh, go to some fitness equipment for the basement. I think that's probably what I'll use it for. So that's perfect. And then what I was excited about is, I think this was two falls ago already.
00:59:10
popculturediner
I got laid back snacks and I've been thinking about these ever since. um This is a different flavor, um but I can still eat them, which is exciting.
00:59:15
Steve
Mm-hmm. What same company?
00:59:21
popculturediner
It's honey habanero. And I got like a cinnamon one last time and there's cashews and almonds. I think that's it. And they were really good.
00:59:32
popculturediner
Like I really liked them. And I think I brought them with me when I went to the cabin. um I go to like the getaway cabin like once or twice a year. um And this one is like, yeah, ha been honey habanero.
00:59:44
popculturediner
I love sweet and spicy together. So thanks, Jillie.
00:59:48
Steve
Perfect.
00:59:49
popculturediner
Really excited about these. These are some of my favorites.
00:59:50
Steve
Shout out, Jilly.
00:59:52
popculturediner
Yeah, and you can buy laid back snacks. I just go, oh, I should really buy those. And then it's like, it's in Canada and it's like a six pack.
00:59:57
Steve
You got to pay that import tax.
00:59:58
popculturediner
And then I go, I got, I got nuts at home. I don't need to, yeah.
01:00:02
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:03
popculturediner
so It's exciting to get it. Um, let's see. And then, okay. So then we see Jen, she comes out and like the biggest thing, um biggest note I had was her telling off Sam.
01:00:13
popculturediner
And I mean, she was kind of gracious because I feel like Jesse was kind of letting Sam off the hook a little bit when he was talking.
01:00:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:19
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:00:19
popculturediner
Cause it was kind of like, like he says something like, well, it seems like you feel remorse and you've shown growth. And I'm like, how's he?
01:00:26
Steve
Has he does he?
01:00:27
popculturediner
Are you seeing the same Sam that I see?
01:00:27
Steve
I don't think so.
01:00:29
popculturediner
I don't think you do.
01:00:30
Steve
No, he doesn't.
01:00:31
popculturediner
And Jen was kind of like, no, screw this guy.
01:00:36
Steve
Yeah, it was I mean, it was good because this is the gen that like when we were screaming at our television for the past six weeks or however long, just begging her to see what we saw.
01:00:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:00:49
Steve
This was kind of the moment where it was, it was almost cathartic for me. Cause I was like, thank you for realizing what I've been yelling at you on TV and yelling about on a podcast for weeks because she did my, my, my just primal scream.
01:00:55
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:01:01
popculturediner
Yeah, she heard you through space and time. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:07
Steve
Um, Yeah, so because i mean this this is the whole thing. is like he Not only is he a doofus, and they talk about how he's like he's always like delivering lines or anything, but he's not even doing it in a way that is manipulative to the point where it's intentional.
01:01:24
Steve
He's actually just that dumb, and he's so self-absorbed, and he doesn't he has the emotional intelligence of a snail.
01:01:26
popculturediner
Right.
01:01:31
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:01:32
Steve
And he he can't figure it out. Like he doesn't know a single thing about her. She finally realized that. And she's just like, yeah, you don't you don't shit. It's amazing.
01:01:39
popculturediner
Yeah, she's like, yeah, like, who even are you, Sam? Yeah, you are nothing.
01:01:42
Steve
Which, by the way, Sam, total F minus effort, if you would have given like not even like a C plus, you know, like maybe just like a C, you you would have a ring on her finger right now.
01:01:55
Steve
Like done done deal. She's crazy about you. That's how terrible you are.
01:01:59
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, he had to he talked himself.
01:02:02
Steve
Also, please come to paradise. I want to see you on paradise, please.
01:02:05
popculturediner
He like talked himself out of the job, you know what I mean?
01:02:07
Steve
Yeah, totally.
01:02:07
popculturediner
Like, yeah, it's like it's really embarrassing. um Yeah, so that OK, that brings us to and maybe he just needed some clarity or he needed to be illuminated with a scalloped lamp.
01:02:21
Steve
Yeah, maybe he needed a ferocious scalloped lamp.
01:02:22
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:02:24
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:02:28
popculturediner
I love a lighting solution. um
01:02:32
Steve
Is it a ferocious lamp or is it a reckless lamp?
01:02:32
popculturediner
especially
01:02:35
popculturediner
It's a reckless scallop lamp. um Well, we're always looking for lighting solutions in our home because we do not have enough. And this is a cutie one. um And it's neutral, so it'll go in any room.
01:02:45
Steve
What makes it scalloped? Is it like the potato with the cheese on it?
01:02:48
popculturediner
The end is scalloped. I own scalloped shorts that look like this. ah No, it's not like a potato.
01:02:54
Steve
So it is not like a potato.
01:02:57
popculturediner
It's like it's like the shape.
01:02:58
Steve
Oh, oh, I see it at the end where it's curved.
01:02:59
popculturediner
You know what I mean? Yeah, it's scalloped.
01:03:01
Steve
That's lovely.
01:03:02
popculturediner
It's scalloped at the end. ah Oh, oh, it just it just works like that.
01:03:05
Steve
Ooh. Ah, it just goes.
01:03:07
popculturediner
It's battery powered.
01:03:08
Steve
Oh, well, there you go.
01:03:09
popculturediner
How about that? How about that? That's kind of interesting. do two Um, that's kind of fun because I am looking for more soft light options. Hello. Everything just fell. Um, but it does also have a little, um, USB.
01:03:22
Steve
Well, USB-C there.
01:03:23
popculturediner
Yeah. So that's nice.
01:03:25
Steve
Nice.
01:03:26
popculturediner
It's cute.
01:03:27
Steve
Thanks, Julie.
01:03:27
popculturediner
I'll put it somewhere where I need a little bit of cozy lighting.
01:03:31
Steve
Oh, you can put it next to where your makeup brushes will go and then you can do your makeup with your new lighting.
01:03:31
popculturediner
Hmm. I'll figure out a place.
01:03:40
popculturediner
If she put a mirror in here, I'm in.
01:03:42
Steve
her
01:03:42
popculturediner
um Yeah, this is cute. I actually think I'll put it in our bedroom on our dresser because I had like a little um nightlight there type of a thing, but I've been doing something different with my lights and cue lights and programming and all this.
01:03:57
popculturediner
And this would be a nice light to come into and be like, that's so cute.
01:03:59
Steve
See? And and then Tuck will be like, hey, where'd that light come from? And you'd be like, that's from Jilly.
01:04:03
popculturediner
And I go, Jilly, my friend, Jilly. uh yeah that's pretty pretty cute um so let's see um jonathan was i i just wrote jonathan was gracious grant was so kind um i think that's what jen maybe said um and then she talked about you know, how she
Cultural Pressures and Humorous Highlights
01:04:25
popculturediner
did.
01:04:25
popculturediner
I mean, one of the things I think you could um excuse or rationalize for Jen in terms of her behavior is I'm sure she felt a lot of pressure um being, you know, like a Vietnamese bachelorette and feeling the pressure of like, you know, being the first and having to represent.
01:04:35
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:42
popculturediner
And also, like she said, having some pushback from people like other Vietnamese people being like, I don't know if you should show this much, you know, like love, affection, PDA type of stuff.
01:04:47
Steve
Yeah.
01:04:51
Steve
Yep.
01:04:53
popculturediner
on TV. And I'm sure she always had that in her mind with everything she did.
01:04:59
Steve
Oh,
01:05:00
popculturediner
And that definitely I'm sure influenced some of her behaviors. I feel like a lot of people like on Reddit are being very ungenerous about her and just kind of like getting impatient with her and but other people on Reddit are also going like, Hey, leave her alone.
01:05:05
Steve
for sure.
01:05:09
Steve
Oh.
01:05:16
popculturediner
What are you doing? What's the big idea?
01:05:17
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:17
popculturediner
yeah So there's like a lot of I mean, it's both for sure.
01:05:18
Steve
No, I think you gotta have a degree of like cultural sensitivity. It's not like she's like a top five, top 10 bachelorette for me, but um yeah, she's got some things working against her.
01:05:28
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:05:28
Steve
And also it's just... I don't know. I, I feel bad too. Cause she's, she's young. She's really young and you can't, I mean, it's, it's, and given her dating history, uh, she's, she's a bit of a love Virgin herself or rather she's a functional, healthy relationship Virgin.
01:05:34
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:05:43
popculturediner
She's a relationship virgin. Yeah.
01:05:45
Steve
who
01:05:45
popculturediner
um Yeah, she I think she's cut all things considered. I think she's doing the best we could hope for her to do based on all of the, you know, factors that play into Jen.
01:05:55
Steve
Yeah.
01:05:57
popculturediner
So that's what I'll say about that. And then, OK, this part was cute. I mean, the bloopers get kind of annoying or whatever. But one thing that I thought was really adorable is that she gave nicknames to like every man on the show.
01:06:08
popculturediner
And it seems does it not like she's like,
01:06:10
Steve
Yeah.
01:06:11
popculturediner
That's my medium King. She called Jada that her medium King. She gave Jeremy the nickname Jer bear. And then, you know, like Devin, it was like dev dog and all kinds of other ones and stuff.
01:06:22
Steve
Yeah, which I would do too, cause I'm terrible at remembering people's names when I meet them.
01:06:22
popculturediner
And yeah.
01:06:26
Steve
Like they're like, hi, I'm so-and-so.
01:06:26
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:06:27
Steve
And as soon as they say those words, it's like they go in one ear and just out there.
01:06:30
popculturediner
It's just like a paralysis.
01:06:32
Steve
And I'm like, you're just, and you're a stranger.
01:06:32
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:06:33
Steve
I don't know you. Uh, which is, yeah it's, that's tough for me. Cause then later I run into him and like, Hey, you just, yeah.
01:06:42
popculturediner
Yeah, hey, Dev Dog. um
01:06:44
Steve
But if you, if you create a fun nickname, you're like, I won't remember Devin, but if I call someone dev dog, I will always remember.
01:06:50
popculturediner
Yeah, it's Dev Dog. Yeah, so that was kind of cute. And then I also liked when Jeremy was like, yeah, so it's a day out with Jeremy and someone immediately vomited. I was like, that would be enough for me.
01:07:02
popculturediner
That would be I'd be like, I got to go.
01:07:02
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:04
popculturediner
Time to go. That was ridiculous.
01:07:05
Steve
yeah
01:07:05
popculturediner
So but Jeremy like handles everything very well. I don't know. He's I i didn't really like him on the first episode. And now I do really like him.
01:07:14
popculturediner
um
01:07:14
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:14
Steve
And all the other bloopers were just like, there's bees. Ah, which is like a common bachelor.
01:07:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:07:20
popculturediner
And that Jonathan farts at every row ceremony.
01:07:21
Steve
That's their like favorite. Mm hmm.
01:07:24
popculturediner
He's like, there's like this emotional moment. And he farts and he's like, what wouldn't be a row ceremony if I didn't fart? And I was like, wow, amazing that they just put it in now. Like, that's kind of incredible.
01:07:34
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:35
popculturediner
um And then and then okay, Hakim, I'm glad you got the second invite to Paradise, but that you had to deal with that giant spider to do it. I feel so bad.
01:07:46
popculturediner
That thing was scary. I don't know if I would have done that.
01:07:47
Steve
Yeah, that's terrifying.
01:07:49
popculturediner
I mean, he was very close to it. The handler was very close to it and picked it up like within 10 seconds. But nothing was huge. you i
01:07:56
Steve
Yeah, I would not have been happy.
01:07:58
popculturediner
Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. But he really like, they were like, we're going to get a big reaction out of him. This is going to work well. And then we can invite him to Paradise as like a reward, I guess.
01:08:09
popculturediner
I don't know.
01:08:09
Steve
Mm-hmm
01:08:10
popculturediner
Yeah. So here's my next reward from Jilly. ah Oh, is this what I bought?
01:08:17
Steve
Oh the bonus item of course you did
01:08:18
popculturediner
I paid extra for this. I bought a candle. I'm going to buy every candle. Oh, we also, so we have a thing called the candle center in our house. And today I was running around.
01:08:30
popculturediner
So we had a, we've got appliance people coming three days this week, today, tomorrow and the next day. And we'll already, one came obviously. And I was like, this is like my brain on makes no sense.
01:08:42
popculturediner
Cause I'm like, I care about how many piles there are on this floor. I have to get rid of the piles. This is terrible. I hate it. I need to clean everything. I'm going to go.
01:08:51
Steve
there's There's a pile living in this home.
01:08:53
popculturediner
I'm like, I'm going to go hose off a plant stand that's in our basement. And I'm going to dry that off and put a plant on there. Why? Who, he doesn't care. He's in and out in 15 minutes and you know.
01:09:01
Steve
No. No. like The guy fixing the the light bulb on your stove is not interested.
01:09:07
popculturediner
Yeah, he didn't give two shits, but I care. And so I spent like the first two and a half hours of my morning just like running around cleaning shit and like organizing everything. And anyway, so we have a candle center in our house and it was like in this like white crate and whatever.
01:09:21
popculturediner
And um and I finally put it in like our new i I don't know what you would call it. It's like a media console, I guess, you know, um but it's like, you know, old and you know Danish and whatever.
01:09:29
Steve
Yeah.
01:09:34
popculturediner
um And so I was like, and so I was so happy when Tuck came home.
01:09:35
Steve
Where's little wooden shoes?
01:09:37
popculturediner
I was like, yeah, I was like, I was like, here's, here's the candle center. And I like pulled the drawer and I was like, look at, I curated the candle selections. Uh, yeah.
01:09:48
popculturediner
So we take candles very seriously in this house. I still owe you that little candle house, which I will give you next time I'm in town.
01:09:53
Steve
Yes.
01:09:54
popculturediner
But this is like, oh, this is cute. So this is the candle. Nice, nice.
01:09:59
Steve
That's nice.
01:09:59
popculturediner
Everything's everything's got like a light brown theme to it in this and it's called September Nights, Amber and Cedar.
01:10:03
Steve
he
01:10:08
popculturediner
And I love amber scented candles like, yeah, this one smells good. There's a Voluspa candle called Baltic Amber that I am obsessed with.
01:10:18
popculturediner
That's my favorite candle in the whole world.
01:10:20
Steve
Wow. what What is a volume spa?
01:10:22
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:10:23
Steve
I don't even know what that is.
01:10:24
popculturediner
Voluspa, it's like a brand, I don't know. It's like some fancy, some fancy scent brand. I have a lot of their candles, like just off camera, but I mean, I could go grab one. um They all have like the same pattern on the outside and they're really expensive, like heinously expensive, but they're like perfumey.
01:10:36
Steve
Oh.
01:10:40
popculturediner
They smell really, really, really good. And um I actually, so in Baltic, Amber is my favorite scent. I might have one of those up here too. um but they make them like everywhere from like super tiny to like this $225 like hearth candle and tux like i think i might be getting that for christmas because he was like he gave me the second biggest one and he was like i held off on getting the biggest one because i literally don't know where we can put it but i'm like that's the
01:10:55
Steve
Whoa. Mm hmm.
01:11:07
Steve
That's huge. i'm i'm I'm looking at it like right now.
01:11:08
popculturediner
That's like the tourist in me. you know I'm like, I can never rationalize spending that kind of money. But if somebody gave me like the biggest candle in the world, I'd be like, hell, yeah, I want that candle.
01:11:18
Steve
it's like It's like the five gallon bucket you get at the Home Depot, but it's a candle. That's huge.
01:11:22
popculturediner
Yeah, like that's my version of a big gulp. I don't care about a big gulp, but I care about a big candle.
01:11:26
Steve
Yeah.
01:11:29
Steve
Wow.
01:11:30
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:31
Steve
Into it.
01:11:32
popculturediner
ah Yeah, it's so, and ball to camber is like one of the best smelling candles.
01:11:32
Steve
Very cool.
01:11:36
popculturediner
I feel like it's a very middle of the road crowd, please the kind of a scent. It's like a little sweet, but it's got some depth to it. And like, um, when I, and, and these are great because when you like them, you can, the whole floor will smell like it.
01:11:50
popculturediner
It's not like some wimpy candle that has like a little bit of fragrance. It's like you come downstairs and you're like, Oh, it smells so good in here. And it's like, Oh, it's cause of this candle. So. That's one of my favorites.
01:12:02
popculturediner
Another top contender is actually one I got from the Jilly box. I think in the spring and I still have it over here. It's the cereal one that smells like fruit, like fruit loops.
01:12:08
Steve
Oh.
01:12:10
popculturediner
It smells so good.
01:12:10
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a jilly box special.
01:12:13
popculturediner
Oh my God. I love that one. Every time I light it, I'm like, Oh, this is amazing. But I'm trying to like savor it because it's almost gone. So, but now I have one to replace it. So maybe I will finish the cereal one.
01:12:26
popculturediner
It's like candle season friends. And it's also the season of love for Charity and Dotten. And those two, they've been through it. They tried to go to Greece and have a good time.
01:12:38
popculturediner
And Dotten got sick. And so they kind of had a little bit of fun. And so Jesse said, you know what? We're going to take you to Greece again. And
Trips and Personal Reflections
01:12:46
popculturediner
you're good to go.
01:12:46
Steve
Which is really nice for like as a throwaway, like who cares thing?
01:12:48
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:12:50
Steve
It's like, oh bummer, you got a little sick on your little free vacation that we gave you or whatever.
01:12:55
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:12:55
Steve
They're like, come on back.
01:12:56
popculturediner
Make a second free vacation because charity is one of our all time favorite bachelorettes. It's very obvious.
01:13:03
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:13:03
popculturediner
And why wouldn't she be? She's amazing. You deserve all the good things, Charity. Congrats. I don't know what this is. Larson and Jennings for the Jellybox. Maybe it's jewelry?
01:13:13
Steve
Hmm, possibly.
01:13:14
popculturediner
I don't know. It like looks like a watch box, but I doubt it's a watch. But maybe it is. It's a watch.
01:13:23
Steve
you have a wa You're a watch lady now?
01:13:25
popculturediner
I gotta watch. Well, I, I mean, I'm a Garmin lady. So, you know, when I want to, what?
01:13:27
Steve
Yeah. Hold on. Let me see. that I want to see this thing.
01:13:31
popculturediner
When I want to fancy it up, I can get, it's a nice watch.
01:13:34
Steve
Whoa.
01:13:35
popculturediner
It's a really nice watch.
01:13:36
Steve
That is a really nice watch. What the fuck, Sammy?
01:13:38
popculturediner
Yeah. I can put it right over my farmer's stand. That's um my Garmin is covering right now.
01:13:43
Steve
Perfect.
01:13:44
popculturediner
When I, when we go out to supper clubs, I'll wear this watch. It's really cute.
01:13:47
Steve
Oh my gosh. If I ever seen you in formal attire, I'm going to ask you what time it is.
01:13:51
popculturediner
I'm gonna go oh it's yeah yeah this is a really nice watch like I don't know much about watches but I know that this looks nice I don't know what this is what is this um no there's like this little plastic thing I I'm not a watch person I used to be well no I never really was and oh it's like
01:13:53
Steve
It looks nice. Yeah. No, you broke it.
01:14:13
Steve
I aspired to be a watch person.
01:14:15
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like a little tool. I don't know. It's like a tool for my watch, I guess. um But anyway, this is a really nice watch. um And Tuck is very much a watch guy.
01:14:26
popculturediner
He's a watch guy and he's a knife guy. um And he gets like really nice watches and knives, which is why I have a couple of nice knives I just steal from him.
01:14:29
Steve
whoa Whoa.
01:14:35
popculturediner
so ah to use for just everyday stuff, like opening this chili box. This is a very nice watch. I'm like, I'm like, this looks like a watch box, but I didn't get a watch. That would be a little too much, right?
01:14:46
Steve
Ha ha ha!
01:14:46
popculturediner
well guess now not Not for It's not too much for, it's not too much for her fans.
01:14:48
Steve
Jilly, for me, you shouldn't have!
01:14:55
popculturediner
This is like quite the box. I actually still cannot figure out the theme though. like
01:15:01
Steve
The theme is like golden brown.
01:15:04
popculturediner
Yeah, but there's always like a theme, like an overarching, you know, cause it was like cozy morning breakfast or, you know, like beach day or, you know, camping or whatever, which camping, that was still one of my favorite ones.
01:15:10
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:15
popculturediner
Um, okay. I got a skincare product because of course.
01:15:19
Steve
Of course.
01:15:20
popculturediner
Let's see what it is. It's too Chrome to show on camera. It's never been tested on animals. Oh, it's a whipped body cream.
01:15:31
Steve
What?
01:15:32
popculturediner
Mm hmm. A whipped body cream. That's nice. as Oh, this did open a little bit ah because it's got a little bit of schmuck on it.
01:15:39
Steve
Oh, so now you now you got whip on the.
01:15:43
popculturediner
Oh, my gosh, it smells really good, though. It smells kind of like marshmallowy. ah Yeah, so I'll I'll handle this because that's kind of messy. ah It's very nice. And we're getting to that time of the year.
01:15:55
popculturediner
Like as soon as it gets a little cold, my hands just go.
01:15:57
Steve
This crack and die.
01:15:58
popculturediner
They just completely like become desiccated. Yeah, just dead earth. So anything I can do to like moisturize is is good. So I will try that whipped buttercream.
01:16:11
popculturediner
That smells really good. um
01:16:13
Steve
You'll be using a lot of it because it's spilled all over the box.
01:16:15
popculturediner
yeah um That is that is the box so let's uh any any other final thoughts about and I did find my my my lid for clothesline it definitely like sprayed in the box a little so the box smell like laundry it smelled really good yeah at least it didn't break yeah
01:16:31
Steve
That's good. Yeah, see? Really, it's kind of like a bonus. Now you have a beautiful spelling cardboard box. ah My final thought is, Jen, for the love of God, if you trot out on Tuesday and propose to Marcus, I am i don't know what I'm going to do.
01:16:45
popculturediner
Oh, yeah, it's on Tuesday. I always forgot.
01:16:50
Steve
I'm just going to walk into Lake Michigan. i i'm
01:16:52
popculturediner
Yeah, I think it's got to be Devon by process of elimination.
01:16:55
Steve
It has to be.
01:16:56
popculturediner
It has to be.
01:16:56
Steve
There's like, how, how do you, how do you commit your life to a man who was just like, eh, maybe I'll try.
01:16:59
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:17:02
popculturediner
Yeah, it's bad. It's really bad.
01:17:06
Steve
It's really bad.
01:17:06
popculturediner
um And you know.
01:17:06
Steve
and And she seems to be a little bit more like, I feel like watching her go after Sam and realize like who he is.
01:17:13
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:17:15
Steve
I would hope at this point that that's enough to get her to be like, Marcus, isn't the right guy for me.
01:17:22
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:17:23
Steve
But we'll see, we'll see.
01:17:25
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:17:25
Steve
Because sometimes they just make terrible decisions. ah I'm having Hannah Brown flashbacks all over again.
01:17:27
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:17:30
popculturediner
Yeah, no kidding.
01:17:30
Steve
ah
01:17:31
popculturediner
That was that was like really rough. um
01:17:33
Steve
Yeah, although it's like you get down to Hannah Brown's vital three, you're like, what if an airplane fell out of the sky and crushed everyone? It's like, no, you picked this guy. Oh, well.
01:17:43
popculturediner
OK, so.
01:17:44
Steve
It's Jed the cheater with the girlfriend back home s singing songs for Hannah Brown. Yeah, sorry. Anyways.
01:17:52
popculturediner
No, I wanted you to finish that. I was like, where are you going?
01:17:54
Steve
that's all i got
01:17:55
popculturediner
Oh, OK. I got excited about it. OK, that was pretty good. um So I just wanted to read you a couple of the Jilly Box moments.
01:18:06
popculturediner
So here's the theme. I wouldn't have guessed this. Are you ready for a refresh? This edition of the Jilly Box is about refreshing your space for a soft autumn. one of peaceful moments, inner calm, and little luxuries.
01:18:22
Steve
Wow.
01:18:22
popculturediner
With the changing of the seasons and the dwindling sunlight, let's set intentions together, get organized, and reprioritize ourselves.
01:18:28
Steve
Oh my God, I can't wait to set intentions with Jilly. What does that mean? and
01:18:34
popculturediner
I mean, here's the weird thing is like I've been working on that because my school year is about to start next week.
Seasonal Intentions and Personal Growth
01:18:40
popculturediner
So I've been like time blocking and and like setting intentions for like morning routines and evening routines and like when I want to go to bed and wake up and all that stuff. And also like I remembered to schedule food.
01:18:40
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:54
popculturediner
Uh, I was like, oh yeah, meals are important. So I've been like, and I just, um, had a check-in cause I, I've been working with someone for like the past couple of years who does a lot of like Ayurveda stuff and yoga stuff and like, just kind of like, you know, like self, self, uh, reflection type of stuff.
01:19:11
popculturediner
And so she'll send me a check-in every week and be like, okay, what's working?
01:19:11
Steve
Sure.
01:19:14
popculturediner
What's not working? What needs to shift? And I like just recorded something last night. I was up way too late and I was like, I'm not going to be up this late come fall. I promise. but also i'm trying to like kind of reset everything and like set these new intentions and really stick to it because it worked in my spring semester and i felt like i had enough for rest i was waking up and going to bed at the right times and i got everything done at the end of the day i got everything done so i didn't need to worry about it And so, hey, this came at a good time because I'm literally doing this right now. um And so she said when the team and I sat down to brainstorm the concept for the fall 2024 jilly box I kicked it off by saying I missed the feeling of refreshing your life your space, your everything in September, when you go back to school as a kid.
01:20:00
popculturediner
I felt everyone's eyes turn towards me and suddenly we knew what our theme was. And no, not every brainstorm is this easy. Ha, I wish. um it Each product in this box was thoughtfully selected to help you refresh three core areas of your life, your space, your style, and your habits.
01:20:07
Steve
Oh, Julie.
01:20:16
popculturediner
Whether it's picking a healthier snack on the drive from school to soccer practice or finding new hacks for getting organized, I hope this box inspires you to make the little changes and updates you wish to make in your everyday life.
01:20:26
Steve
Thank you so much, Jelly. I hope so too.
01:20:27
popculturediner
Thanks, thanks, Julie. I think that's really cute. um Anything? Oh, she did send an email about this like today or yesterday. um So the the last jilly box that we got, um they were able to support Mamas for Mamas, which is a charitable organization dedicated to supporting mothers and caregivers in need across Canada.
01:20:47
popculturediner
So that's cool.
01:20:47
Steve
Okay.
01:20:49
popculturediner
They do stuff like um access to essential items like clothing, diapers, baby gear, and also offer mental health support, counseling, and resources to help navigate financial difficulties. And then um also Backpack Buddies, um which is ah they provide food to children that is familiar and that they can easily prepare to ensure they get through the weekend without going hungry.
01:21:11
popculturediner
Backpack Buddies deliveries are coordinated through teachers, administrators, and social workers. who advise on the needs of their students and identify the children who could benefit most from receiving a bag of food for the weekend.
01:21:20
Steve
Well, that's lovely.
01:21:21
popculturediner
I know! So that's where some of our money went. And then okay just a couple notes on the products. I'm like we're running so long but there was so much to fill.
01:21:33
popculturediner
I guess we've gone longer.
01:21:34
Steve
We're doing, ok I mean, we're we're doing, it's we haven't even hit 90 minutes and we've done two episodes of The Bachelor and a Jilly Box.
01:21:38
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:21:41
popculturediner
I mean, that's pretty good, right? I think that's pretty good.
01:21:42
Steve
Pretty good for us, yeah.
01:21:43
popculturediner
um She's got a recipe in here for, I'm like, I'm not an overnight oats person. I've like tried to be, but I don't know. It's like the texture and it's cold and it bothers me.
01:21:53
Steve
Yeah, it bothers me too. ah i ah They have them at work and i'm and ah you know and i'll I'll eat anything that's free food.
01:21:55
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:21:58
popculturediner
Mm-hmm.
Food Critiques and Practical Tips
01:22:02
Steve
And so I always think, yeah, I'm gonna eat this. And I'm like, I think this is what babies eat.
01:22:06
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:22:06
Steve
And then it doesn't have like, unless you put stuff in it, it doesn't like naturally, it it doesn't taste like anything. It's like completely neutral.
01:22:14
popculturediner
Mm.
01:22:15
Steve
And yeah, the texture bothers me because it's like, it's not like yogurt-y and it's not oatmeal-y. It's just like, it's paste. It's basically paste or like, you know, like when you're, when you're moving out of like an old apartment and you've got like nail holes in the wall from where you're like hung pictures and you go and you get like the spackle to fill the holes.
01:22:25
popculturediner
Yeah, it's basically paste. Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:22:37
Steve
That's what it is. It's that, but you eat it.
01:22:38
popculturediner
Yeah, it's that but you eat it.
01:22:39
Steve
And I don't want to eat that.
01:22:41
popculturediner
Yeah, wait. So wait, I just want to I want to rewind but to you saying that you get free food at work. I'm so jealous. Like I don't do the corporate thing anymore.
01:22:49
Steve
Yeah.
01:22:50
popculturediner
And that was a part I really liked was free food.
01:22:53
Steve
Yeah, the that's that's one thing like I i would not say that ah the corporate lifestyle is right for everyone. ah My friends and everyone that I work with, they think it's incredibly hilarious that I work a corporate job.
01:23:06
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:23:07
Steve
And I agree it is. But I will say I will be a good little corporate drone because the food is amazing. And I get to eat as much as I want for free. So
01:23:15
popculturediner
Yeah, that's so like that's so plush. I mean, I never even had like huge amounts of free food, but we would get like free breakfast once a week and then like um popcorn on Thursdays and like we get a beer and, you know, stuff like that.
01:23:29
Steve
who
01:23:29
popculturediner
But like it wasn't like every day or all the time. But it's like, yeah, the higher you go company wise, like the more free stuff you get.
01:23:33
Steve
Yeah.
01:23:38
popculturediner
It's like and now I just have to go to my own kitchen every day.
01:23:42
Steve
Yeah.
01:23:43
popculturediner
It's not as fun.
01:23:43
Steve
Also, it's made me a healthier person. Like I have genuinely lost 25 pounds since I started this job because I have salad that I could eat and my food is portion controlled.
01:23:50
popculturediner
Wow.
01:23:55
popculturediner
Yeah, see, how about that? That's that's wow. Talk about full circle, the beauty of the salad bar.
01:24:00
Steve
Yeah, oh we're back to your salad bar idea. Yeah.
01:24:03
popculturediner
See, this was our idea. We were like,
01:24:04
Steve
I eat a salad every day. Before that, i I never ate salad, but I'm like, oh, this looks good because it's all fresh. It's right there. Why not?
01:24:09
popculturediner
Yes, like that's what we're saying.
01:24:11
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:12
popculturediner
We're like, that's gotta be like so good. and And I couldn't believe how, I mean, but Tuck loves salads. He's like obsessed with salads in a way that I i like roasted vegetables. So that's like takes more time, right?
01:24:23
popculturediner
But he like loves a salad.
01:24:24
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:24:25
popculturediner
And I thought it was like so surprised how easy it was to sell that to him. He was like, we should, we should, let's, let's test that out.
01:24:33
Steve
I ah fully, fully support, fully support, become a salad bar couple.
01:24:33
popculturediner
Let's, yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
01:24:37
Steve
That's what you need to do.
01:24:37
popculturediner
I think that's all you have to do. And they don't, they don't just have like the big ones. They have like, you know, it's like one, two or three doors, you know? So I was like, we can just get one with one door.
01:24:47
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:48
popculturediner
Like the family of 11 has the one with two or three doors. We can just have the one. And they're not as expensive as you would think.
01:24:53
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:55
popculturediner
You can get them for under a grand. I mean, like that's not bad.
01:24:57
Steve
I mean, that's, that's pretty good.
01:24:59
popculturediner
That's a fridge.
01:24:59
Steve
That's pretty good.
01:25:00
popculturediner
It's just a fridge with fancier features, which features I want.
01:25:01
Steve
It's just a pretty.
01:25:03
popculturediner
Anyway, um yeah, so she's got a recipe for white chocolate matcha overnight oats, which I probably won't try because every time I've tried overnight oats, I'm like, you know what? This just is not for me.
01:25:12
Steve
also I'm not a matcha man either. I've tried that too and I'm like, this tastes like dirt.
01:25:14
popculturediner
Matcha.
01:25:16
Steve
So it sounds like she's she's trying to entice me with dirt paste.
01:25:20
popculturediner
She's like, eat your dirt, be a good little boy and eat your dirt paste. That's the refresh your colon needs, okay?
01:25:26
popculturediner
And there you go.
01:25:26
Steve
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Jewelry Trends and Fashion Preferences
01:25:27
popculturediner
um Yeah, so this versatile lamp looks adorable on your bedside table in an office or even styled on a shelf. It's dimmable.
01:25:37
popculturediner
Oh, it's dimmable. Interesting. And comes with a USB-C to a cord for charging, but can be used wirelessly. I wonder if I have to hold it to dim it. We custom designed the delicate scalped edges in two colorways, fawn and antique white.
01:25:51
popculturediner
And ah Jardine's domain, even custom designed the recyclable packaging it comes in.
01:25:53
Steve
Mmm.
01:25:56
popculturediner
um They've been testing the lamp for over a year. Wow. Wow. Um, yeah, I love laid back snacks. I'm so excited that I got it back because really excited about that.
01:26:08
popculturediner
Um, let's see, we won't talk about the spray or the body cream. Um, gosh, this stuff is expensive. It's like $50 Canadian, Canadian.
01:26:17
Steve
Wow.
01:26:19
popculturediner
Um, yeah, I was like, this watch is nice. It apparently retails for $249.
01:26:25
Steve
Damn, Canada.
01:26:26
popculturediner
Yeah, there is truly nothing sheaker than a watch. When I saw Shay sporting a similar Larson and Jennings watch around at a photo shoot, I was so taken aback by how stunning it looked. The mixed metals were such an interesting style, and it makes it makes it great for folks who can't decide between a gold or silver look with their jewelry. I actually mix my metals all the time, just saying.
01:26:50
popculturediner
ah We were just looking at permanent jewelry when we were in Kansas City and are you wear permanent jewelry? Or is that like a thing that has not entered your consciousness?
01:26:59
Steve
Well, i I thought the whole point of jewelry was it goes away. You don't, if you want to change it.
01:27:06
popculturediner
um No ah
01:27:09
Steve
but yeah I need to understand.
01:27:12
popculturediner
ah So well, so there's okay, so I just thought what you said was so funny.
01:27:15
Steve
is
01:27:20
popculturediner
Sorry. The whole point of jewelry is that it goes away.
01:27:25
Steve
Yeah, I don't.
01:27:25
popculturediner
So permanent jewelry is like designed to fit you so exactly that it does not come off. Like it gets soldered together and then you wear it until, you know, you need an um MRI or something and then they can undo it.
01:27:40
Steve
That seems like a nightmare. That seems like... I would be afraid.
01:27:44
popculturediner
would be afraid.
01:27:44
Steve
but
01:27:45
popculturediner
They're like they're mostly like dainty little bracelets like they usually do bracelets or um or rings or necklaces or anklets although there's a lot of companies that like won't do anklets because I guess they can like break more easily but most places it's like the bracelets are popular and they're just like little and thin so it's like if you're running out the door and you still want to look accessorized you just get like a little thing so I was actually looking at them in Kansas City and I've
01:28:08
Steve
he
01:28:08
popculturediner
I've been like it would be so cool to do permanent jewelry and and I was trying to get tucked to do something but like there's not a lot of like and not that like not to gender jewelry but there wasn't really any kind of chain that he was interested in and he's like if we find one that I would like I'll do it and I'm like okay because I mean I made him a friendship bracelet like one of those like you know thread friendship bracelets He wore it for a year.
01:28:32
popculturediner
It looked ah rough by the end. It looked pretty bad. But these are like nice or like, you know, so ah um like, you know, they're made with materials that can get wet and all that stuff.
01:28:35
Steve
Yeah.
01:28:42
popculturediner
They have like a few different types of materials anyway. um But I was thinking about it then because I'm like, well, would I get silver when I get gold? And I'm like, well, I wear a lot of like silver rings, but then like gold, everything else.
01:28:53
popculturediner
I'm like, anyway, so mixed metals.
01:28:54
Steve
Well, now I know what permanent jewelry is.
01:28:56
popculturediner
That's just a maybe thing. Yeah, it's kind of cute. It's like a cute thing to get with a BFF, you know, like, yeah, I mean, so if anyone's.
01:29:01
Steve
Mm hmm. a little less of a commitment than like a tattoo, but also you can't get an um MRI.
01:29:06
popculturediner
Exactly, it's like it's really. Yeah, well, you can get it taken off like it's not like that hard. um You just go to like a permanent jewelry place and they'll like remove it and then they'll add like a link back for you or whatever.
01:29:17
popculturediner
It's not it's not like the end of the world.
01:29:18
Steve
Get the bolt cutters.
01:29:20
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, it happens. It happens. Um, but yeah, so, so the mixed metals are such an interesting style. It makes great for folks who can't decide. Okay. So apparently, oh, they had a round faced watch from Larson and Jennings before with, uh, gold, silver and rose gold colors.
01:29:36
popculturediner
This one offers you a distinctly different look. Plus we decided to include a tool with your watch to enable you to adjust the size yourself. Oh, that's nice.
01:29:42
Steve
Oh, OK.
01:29:43
popculturediner
Okay. I was trying to figure out what that meant. And I have little baby wrists, so that's good.
01:29:47
Steve
Probably helpful then, yeah.
01:29:49
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah. um Yeah, the taupe palm basket by twig and tassel. That took me a while to understand what was going on. She suggests storing blankets and pillows in there. Perhaps, perhaps. I will do that. We'll see. um Anything else? um Oh yeah, the brush collection. Those are really nice. Yeah, she goes, when's the last time you updated your makeup brush collection?
01:30:09
popculturediner
Yeah, I thought so.
01:30:10
Steve
Yeah, never.
01:30:12
popculturediner
Gross little, gross little people. Get those out of your house. Get some new ones. I actually did update some of my brushes um last year, like are at the beginning of this year because of pink eye that I got from my nephews.
01:30:23
Steve
Hmm. That's fun.
01:30:27
popculturediner
It was such a fun gift. I got all new eye makeup and all new brushes. um Yeah, and this candle smells like a September night. It sure does. There were some other extras I decided not to get.
01:30:39
popculturediner
One was a cloud humidifier.
01:30:43
Steve
Oh.
01:30:43
popculturediner
Apparently it's award winning. It looks like a piece of art. It has a night mode and an adjustable nozzle for humidity control and it's a whisper quiet.
01:30:54
Steve
Oh.
01:30:54
popculturediner
um and it hydrates 600 plus square feet and it's small. So anyway, interesting. um I just didn't get it because it was like 199 Canadian when I was like, I'm not going to add it.
01:31:05
Steve
Yeah, that's a lot. It's a big, big investment.
01:31:08
popculturediner
Yeah. And there was a jewelry box.
01:31:08
Steve
Sorry, Canada.
01:31:10
popculturediner
Yeah, there was a jewelry box, um which I did like, but I just bought new jewelry boxes. So I do not need one.
01:31:19
Steve
Oh.
01:31:20
popculturediner
There was a ruffle quilt that is not my style. Sorry, Julie. It's not my style. It's a little too precious for me. And it was 359 Canadian. she She
Product Reviews and Lifestyle Tips
01:31:30
popculturediner
had some big ticket items in this jilly box.
01:31:30
Steve
Geez, Jilly.
01:31:32
popculturediner
And then there was a little, there was a little balanced blush bronzer and fair medium and deep, um like a little like half pot, half pot thing, which was cute.
01:31:33
Steve
Well, I made a money over here, Jilly. Come on.
01:31:44
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:31:45
popculturediner
But again, there I have my eyes set on like, there's just one stack. I think it's called subtle beauty. I really should should not bring up brands until they give us money. um But they have like, but subtle beauty.
01:31:55
Steve
It's called redacted until you pay up.
01:31:58
popculturediner
subtle beauty, actually subtle beauty. If you're listening, I'm going to post this on tick tock subtle beauty. If you are listening and you want to send me a sample of your stack, I will talk about it for a long time on this podcast on tick tock.
01:32:11
Steve
hahahahaha
01:32:12
popculturediner
All the ways I will give it an honest review. I, I have been eyeing that stack for so long because it's got, they've got like you know like lip balm and blush and like highlighter and it's all in like one little stack and my makeup routine as it stands is literally I grab five things and I put them on my face and I'm like so low maintenance I'm just like did did it did that ah three minutes I'm out the door I'm done and so it's very much my vibe and I would love to try that stuff so if you are listening subtle beauty I know you can hear me
01:32:43
popculturediner
send Send us a sample. I will review it. I will review this out of that. Okay, so and I'll be nice about it Anyway, so moving on so that's what I got my sights on that and then there was like a heart hook pillow That was cute, but I just didn't know where I would want it again It was 65 Canadian and I was like I'm already dropping 200 Canadian on this plus like 30 something for the um For the ah for the candle so I was like that's quite enough That's quite enough of that too um But very excited about the laid-back snacks. I am oh, oh my god This is like not even real.
01:33:13
Steve
What?
01:33:15
popculturediner
I swear to God, I didn't open this. You saw I cut it open. ah How to time block like team Jellybox.
01:33:22
Steve
What? Look at that. You and Jilly.
01:33:26
popculturediner
I'm telling you, Jelly and I same brain. We might have like slightly different aesthetics, you know, for certain things, but seriously, same brain.
01:33:32
Steve
Yo.
01:33:34
popculturediner
um I'm like, that's what I'm doing. Like I literally created a plan and time blocked my entire fall and I'm like, And nothing will derail me from this plan. I know it will get derailed, but um yeah, oh my God, that's so funny.
01:33:44
Steve
Hahaha.
01:33:48
popculturediner
um ah So anyway, that that's all I really had to talk about when it comes to Jilly. she also well she Okay, I will tell you, she had cozy habits for a peaceful fall. Before we end, I think this is a perfect way to close.
01:34:03
popculturediner
uh, cozy habits for a peaceful fall. Uh, number one, swap caffeine for mantra. I'm sorry, you have to do it.
01:34:10
Steve
Oh, it's like dirt.
01:34:10
popculturediner
I'm sorry. I don't care if it tastes like dirt. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta to find a good matcha place is what you gotta to do.
01:34:16
Steve
Oh, I have a humidifier.
01:34:18
popculturediner
Um, and then pamper yourself with hydrating air. So you better get one of those humanifiers.
01:34:25
Steve
I can do that.
01:34:26
popculturediner
Okay, good. um Embrace soft lighting. Yes, we are we are definitely I mean, this I do have a big light on, but we are like a small lighthouse.
01:34:29
Steve
Sure.
01:34:36
popculturediner
We are a small lighthouse. So yeah, small lights better than big lights. Enhance your nighttime routine.
01:34:44
Steve
Hmm
01:34:45
popculturediner
Yeah, make the cooler nights feel spr special. Oh yeah, I got to try the dry brush. This is perfect time of year to try it.
01:34:50
Steve
That's
01:34:50
popculturediner
I got that from Julie, like in the winter or something like that. And I keep forgetting that I own it. So I should try it. i to I'll do some dry brushing. I will report back. I'm actually really excited about this watch.
01:35:02
popculturediner
um And it just makes me it just makes me mad because like I'm such a Garmin person So I'm like, I always have a Garmin on I mean, I had a giant ah Tan line in my and and I'm pale so that says a lot so I wear it all the time ah in our wedding photos and I was like ah or the Garmin and I was like I really should have a nice watch for like nights out when I'm not like I gotta to count my steps like can you just like
01:35:03
Steve
nice
01:35:25
Steve
yeah
01:35:27
popculturediner
relax with that for a day. like I've been tracking my shit for 12 years, so it's really hard to let go of.
01:35:29
Steve
Yeah.
01:35:34
popculturediner
But anyway, um let's all have let's all walk into a peaceful fall.
Labor Day and Upcoming Shows
01:35:39
popculturediner
Let's all pray to the Labor Day deities that Jen sees the light and makes an OK decision.
01:35:44
Steve
Oh, please God.
01:35:47
popculturediner
and
01:35:50
Steve
Make the okayest decision you can, Jen.
01:35:53
popculturediner
Yeah. um And everyone, if you haven't checked out, this is another TikTok thing. Danny Elfman on TikTok ah wrote a song for his dog about Labor Day, and it was amazing.
01:36:01
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:36:02
popculturediner
You should go listen to it.
01:36:03
Steve
It's a banger.
01:36:04
popculturediner
And we all needed a Labor Day anthem like that. It's so good. um But until then, everyone, enjoy your long weekend. We'll see you on the other side. And before you know it, it's going to be the Golden Bachelorette. And before you know it, it'll be paradise. So so take care. Be safe. um you know Take time off. Rest. You've labored. It's time to rest. If you get time, I hope you do.
01:36:30
Steve
And Russ and I have fun, but don't do needle drugs.
01:36:33
popculturediner
I was like, I don't know how to close this one.
01:36:35
Steve
Oh, hey, fine. Gorilla hot dog for the last time. Stop wearing white. You can't do it anymore.
01:36:41
popculturediner
Yeah, serial mom will come after you if you wear white.
01:36:42
Steve
It's done. Yeah. Yeah.
01:36:45
popculturediner
We saw the movie.
01:36:45
Steve
It's over. Your Hamptons party is over. It's over. It's over.
01:36:54
popculturediner
Time to go back to the city.