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Rose Plate Special: Bachelorette Jenn - Finale
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Even when your house has come down wih the plague, the show must go on for Jenn's sake! Sammi and Steve spend 90 minutes breaking down essentially the last 30 minutes of the finale and After the Final Rose. Is Devin diabolical or illogical? Was Jenn treated more unfairly than the other Bachelorettes? And are producers really that evil? All this and more in this episode.
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Transcript
Introduction and Initial Discontent
00:00:17
popculturediner
Hello, I'm Sammy.
00:00:18
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:21
popculturediner
And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic. Just kidding. We're not going to do that intro this time because fuck this episode, Team Jen.
00:00:32
Steve
Wait, you don't want to witness a public flogging.
00:00:35
popculturediner
No, ah I mean, it's funny. Well, because we we got to talk about it. I think the only thing I want to talk about is like the end of this episode. But anyway, it's a recap podcast with The Bachelorette ever.
00:00:45
Steve
However,
00:00:45
popculturediner
It's the most podcast today.
00:00:47
Steve
It's the most podcasts. Also, I want everybody to know that normally I just come home from work and we record the podcast.
00:00:49
popculturediner
That's all it is.
00:00:52
Steve
and I'm wearing my businessman clothes, but i'm I'm not Mr. Business today, but we're, we're getting down to business because we got a, we got a bone to pick with you.
00:00:59
popculturediner
We're getting we're getting down to business.
00:01:01
Steve
Bachelor show.
00:01:02
popculturediner
Yeah, today, like the last few days have been so fucked up for so many reasons. There's just like terrible things happening in the world, like as always, but I mean, extra terrible today. And then um my husband ah tested positive for Covid.
00:01:16
popculturediner
I think he's OK with me sharing that here. um So he is off site. I just got a pizza delivered to him and I'm trying to hopefully stay healthy. We'll see. And then we'll we'll switch.
00:01:25
Steve
You put him in the root cellar, didn't ya?
Personal News and Quarantine Chronicles
00:01:27
popculturediner
No, he's he's off site. He's off site.
00:01:29
Steve
Tuck, could you go get some canning jars for me from the root cellar? Sure, honey, anything for you. I know I'm sick, but I love you more than anything in the world. And then you push him down the stairs, and then you put the shovel through the root cellar thinking that he can't get out.
00:01:41
Steve
He's stuck down there now.
00:01:42
popculturediner
Wow. It got really dark, really fast.
00:01:45
Steve
Listen, I didn't do what you did. I just... is
00:01:47
popculturediner
He's, he's in a nice motel, distant, uh, quarantining, uh, health. Oh, I mean, staying as healthy as he can. He's obviously not healthy, but he's feeling okay.
00:01:56
Steve
Yeah.
00:01:56
popculturediner
And I, uh, got a pizza delivered to him and everything's okay. But yeah, I might get a staycation out of the whole thing. So we'll see.
00:02:02
Steve
Wow.
00:02:02
popculturediner
I'm like, I'm like, let's give it like a day or two. And then, you know, maybe I'll just like stay closer to campus for a few nights and like, Oh,
00:02:08
Steve
Yeah. Nice motel. You mean the root seller.
00:02:11
popculturediner
Yeah, it's got a nice bathroom, so he can't come complain.
00:02:13
Steve
Now this is good too. Cause in my mind now you're just, you're living in a, like an old timey farmhouse in Kansas.
00:02:19
popculturediner
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, our we don't have a root cellar. We just have a walkout basement.
00:02:24
Steve
I know you don't have a root seller, and neither do I, because I say root seller. If you really had one, you'd say root seller.
00:02:28
popculturediner
Rut cellar.
00:02:29
Steve
That's how you do it.
00:02:30
popculturediner
Anyway, so anyway, it's just like a weird day because it was like last night he was like. I don't know I'm feeling kind of weird but I know I just like mowed the lawn and I'm old you know so I'm sore I'm like okay that's fine and I said and he's like hmm but he was like you better stay away from me just in case and I was like okay and then this morning supposed to be my first day of classes and I'm supposed to like
00:02:43
Steve
My bones are aching.
00:02:50
popculturediner
meet my new students and like go to class for the first day and then he like texted me in the morning and was like uh guess what and I was like oh no uh then we just had to think really fast and then I had to cancel all of my meetings and all of my appointments and all of the things I was going to do in
Jen's Decisions and Engagement Secret
00:03:05
popculturediner
the next three days so we'll see what happens but right now I'm healthy if next week oh I guess you won't see me next week
00:03:05
Steve
A second.
00:03:09
Steve
No.
00:03:11
popculturediner
I'll fill you in on ah the dramatic finale of was Sammy sick or was she healthy um after once we hit the Golden Bachelor in a couple of weeks, Golden Bachelorette rather.
00:03:17
Steve
We don't know. but Stay tuned. Yeah.
00:03:23
popculturediner
But I literally don't want to talk about like any other part of this week's episode except for the end, because first off, I texted you and I was like, I'm the smartest woman in the world.
00:03:35
popculturediner
ah
00:03:35
Steve
ah
00:03:37
popculturediner
but I could just do that. Every once in a while, I'll just text Steven and I'll be like, did you know them?
00:03:38
Steve
Did you know that I'm effortlessly brilliant?
00:03:40
popculturediner
I'm the smartest woman in the world.
00:03:45
popculturediner
Did you know I got into Mensa anyway? So that's true. That's a true story, but that's a story for another day, unless you have questions about it anyway. So what I was like, I'm the smartest woman in the world. And because Jen was like, Oh, I'm going to propose to Devin, but I was like, something still feels off.
00:03:59
popculturediner
Okay. And here, I'm going to admit this to all of you. This is like me admitting things right now. Um, I actually knew, um, not right away, but maybe week two or three, I accidentally found out that ah Jen and Devitt got engaged.
00:04:17
Steve
Mm.
00:04:17
popculturediner
So I knew that very early on. ah Maybe if you look back at the episodes, yeah you'll piece it together.
00:04:23
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:04:24
popculturediner
Do a binge watch. No, I'm just kidding. I tried to
Contestants' Strategies and Show Dynamics
00:04:27
popculturediner
hold that close to the chest and not reveal too much. I don't know if you knew that I knew, but ah yeah.
00:04:33
Steve
No, I think you did a pretty good job.
00:04:33
popculturediner
No, thank you.
00:04:34
Steve
I knew that you knew something, but I didn't know what should what you knew.
00:04:37
popculturediner
Yeah, I tried to be careful with what I knew and not like lead too much in one direction.
00:04:38
Steve
um
00:04:40
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:04:42
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:04:42
Steve
this is This is once again, this happens more often than not. This is why I guard my heart with The Bachelor and The Bachelorette because Devon comes out and I'm just like, hmm.
00:04:50
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:04:54
Steve
And then he comes back around.
00:04:54
popculturediner
Yeah. You really were smart.
00:04:56
Steve
He's just like, but I love you.
00:04:58
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:04:58
Steve
Let's go on a spiritual journey together. Let me be supportive. Let me pay attention to you. And then we're like, Hey, maybe, maybe, maybe it was too hard. Maybe I was too hard.
00:05:09
Steve
I say to myself and uh, turns out it wasn't hard enough, but this is great because it's three hours long and basically up until the very last like 20 minutes.
00:05:11
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, yeah. I think, yeah.
00:05:23
Steve
Nothing happens that we didn't see happen. The horrific mistake of getting rid of Jonathan.
00:05:25
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:27
Steve
ah We've got Marcus who has been emotionally unavailable more than any man has ever been emotionally unavailable perpetually to his own admission.
00:05:28
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:38
Steve
And she has continued to string him along like, oh, maybe some availability will open up.
00:05:38
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:43
Steve
No, it will not. And he continues to be emotionally unavailable. And I don't even know how she can get frustrated and mad because it's like, I'm pretty sure he straight up told you it's not for him.
00:05:55
Steve
Uh, so, which is weird too. Cause it's like, I still think she should have banked Marcus for fantasy suites and then just gotten rid of him after that, you know?
00:06:04
popculturediner
Uh-huh.
00:06:05
Steve
Uh, but what, do what do I know?
00:06:07
popculturediner
Uh-huh.
00:06:07
Steve
And then the debit seems like an inevitability. and well What happens?
00:06:12
popculturediner
Right. I mean, yeah, that was the whole thing because like I knew that that's how it was going to end unless reality see was wrong for some reason. But I didn't think he was. So I was like, OK, so what happens?
00:06:23
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:25
popculturediner
Because I know that. But it doesn't make sense based on like, especially I mean, pretty early on in this episode, we're seeing like. Like usually it's like the family is smiling and like joking and and it wasn't like they didn't like Devin.
00:06:44
popculturediner
So because it because sometimes if they don't like the person that the bachelor bachelorette ultimately chooses, then they don't look that happy in the audience. But usually they look happy and they look like they're they're enjoying being there and they're being supportive and whatever.
00:06:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:06:59
popculturediner
And so the fact that like her brother was in the audience like looking so so upset, I was like, what what happened like I was trying to piece it together and I was like obviously something went down like so so I'm watching it like okay I know that this is how it ends but it can't be how it ends and and then I and then they tricked me because I was like oh I We thought the twist was her proposing and I was like, oh it obviously is so maybe I'm reading too into this or maybe they're upset about Maybe they're upset about Marcus because here's the thing They never addressed any of the allegations against Marcus which are far more serious Than what was happening with Devon despite the fact that Devon is obviously super bad news as well um Like yeah
00:07:43
Steve
yeah Devin's whole thing is he got high on his own supply of love, and then as soon as he got out of the situation, he was just like, oh no, I have a fiance?
00:07:52
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:07:54
Steve
Ooh,
Scandal and Production's Role
00:07:55
popculturediner
Yeah, I saw, yeah, I saw TikTok. We may repost it um about. ah Oh, gosh, now I'm trying to remember the name of the podcast. I will try to remember it, but look for look at our TikTok. Well, it'll probably be there. um And they talk about like a game of crowns versus like a game of rings. I'm going to write this down so I don't forget. um And so the idea is like who's playing the game? Is it and like how are they playing the game? Are they trying to play it so that they win being the bachelor?
00:07:55
Steve
not good, bro.
00:08:24
popculturediner
next season, or are they trying to like go the whole way and like win the whole thing? And so this person's theory was basically and I agree. And and we've been saying this since the beginning, that Devin knows how to play the game.
00:08:38
popculturediner
And I think to him, it was always just a game. I don't I my wild theory is that he never gave a shit about Jen. And that.
00:08:45
Steve
i see I don't know that. I feel like just he's not that good of an actor. He's not that good.
00:08:51
popculturediner
I don't know.
00:08:52
Steve
did what are yeah Are you giving him the Oscar? Come on, Sammy. what do you
00:08:55
popculturediner
I'm not giving him the Oscar, but if you if you if you look if you look back on some of the clips, especially from this last episode, the past few weeks, this is something that people have done, and it's been successful to land them bachelor-bachelorette status, whether they're authentic about it or not.
00:09:12
Steve
No.
00:09:14
popculturediner
Most of the time, they are authentic about it, and that's why they win the spot, because they're being real, and then you know they get there. But um he kept saying things like, I just think you're going to pick somebody else.
00:09:27
popculturediner
If, you you know, if you pick someone else, it's going to devastate me. I know there's a lot of other guys here. It would break my heart for you to pick someone else. It's like he was trying to foreshadow his own losing story. And then he gets the redemption arc by being the bachelor.
00:09:40
popculturediner
That that's the theory.
00:09:40
Steve
Yeah, but is isn't that isn't that the like the construction of the whole show, though? is It's like extreme anxiety as 30 men vie for the same woman and are constantly questioning their own like placement in the show.
00:09:49
popculturediner
Sure.
00:09:52
popculturediner
But does like, but does anyone, I mean, can you think of anyone who's had that level of anxiety actually like making it all the way to the end?
00:09:59
Steve
Making it all the way. No, probably not.
00:10:01
popculturediner
Very rarely, very rarely. I would say like,
00:10:03
Steve
I just, I just don't think he's got like watching him not being able to handle his shit at all when they finally bring him out. Like I couldn't believe they brought him out at all. But if he was as good of an actor in order to orchestrate this whole thing and, and win.
00:10:21
Steve
then i just like i i i don't know i don't know like i would i would expect more out of him when he's in the hot seat and he's had time he's had time to think about this and how he can you know play it so he doesn't look like the worst human being ever ah which he did not do well so yeah i i don't think he's got it in him my theory is much more this is Occam's razor, okay? Simplest explanation. When you are on this show, and usually it plays out innocently,
00:10:53
Steve
We see people who frequently have this strong magnetic, lustful attraction for one another because everything is a fairy tale, right?
00:11:03
popculturediner
Beautiful.
00:11:04
Steve
It's beautiful gowns. It's fireworks. It's a country music star we've never heard of singing to us. It's jumping off of buildings and out of airplanes. It's shopping sprees. It's exotic destination.
00:11:15
Steve
It's a spider on Hakeem's arm. It's all this stuff, right? And then as soon as you land in the real world, two things happen. One, you're back in reality. Two, you are physically separated from this person. So you you don't even get to like experience that come down with them. It has got to be just ridiculously jarring that you have this whole period where all you can do is keep your relationship in secrecy after while it's budding blossoming romance is being broadcast to the world. And so that's fucked up. And then, yeah, you've got just reality hitting you. So I think what happened was he was just all juiced up and then he got done and he was just like, I i don't want any of this.
00:12:05
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:12:06
Steve
which is bad and you should have the self-awareness to realize that it's bad and then not only did that happen but he made
00:12:08
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:12:15
Steve
zero effort whatsoever to address it in a good way or try to work through it with her or have any regard for her feelings. It was just, no one has ever ever fumbled harder. And the thing that's fucked up is this whole episode is the public flogging of Jen where we've got picture in picture picture watching her sob while this, you know,
00:12:39
Steve
ah proposal is playing out on screen and she didn't get a single moment of joy here. Like, and he didn't even try.
00:12:46
popculturediner
Right.
00:12:48
Steve
Like, dude. how hard would it have been to just fucking tough it out, do some counseling, do anything, and then just figure it out.
00:12:56
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:12:58
Steve
And if it it if it breaks up like 90% of these relationships on this show, nobody gives a shit.
Historical Reflections and Ethical Considerations
00:13:04
Steve
And you can go on Paradise and do whatever you want. um But he just, yeah he handled it poorly, and not only poorly, but to the point where he just like shredded her feelings.
00:13:15
Steve
And it sucks. And now she's just out dancing with the stars, which is apparently the consolation prize for any like emotionally battered woman that we put on television. you um Yeah.
00:13:24
popculturediner
Well, also the winner sometimes too, you know, so, cause didn't Charity do it?
00:13:27
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was thinking more like, like Vanderpump rules like yeah after success successful season or like a Hannah Brown or.
00:13:30
popculturediner
Like after, after her successful season. Yeah. I was like, I was like, she had, she had a good one.
00:13:37
Steve
But even even like a Hannah Brown, it's like, I mean, she had a moment, all these all these bachelors and bachelorettes where they break up almost immediately.
00:13:37
popculturediner
Um, sure.
00:13:46
Steve
Claire Crowley, there's another one. Like, they...
00:13:49
popculturediner
she's probably the worst bachelorette. I'm going to be honest. People keep saying Jen's the worst and I'm really sick of it. Like Jen is nowhere near the worst by any means.
00:13:55
Steve
Yeah. Now, Jenna's mid, Jenna's mid, and she was treated horribly.
00:13:58
popculturediner
And she didn't deserve this for a second. She's totally, she's like, she's like average and fine. And yeah, people treat her like she's like the worst one ever. And I'm like,
00:14:09
popculturediner
Like there are I've watched since the beginning. You don't know what you're talking about. OK, so I think you're giving I think you're being way too nice to Devin, but I also have spent like all day on TikTok because I've ah been in a weird headspace today.
00:14:14
Steve
Yeah. but You've entered that brain yourself.
00:14:24
popculturediner
So I'm like, yeah, you're right. You're fucking right. That's so true. um Okay, so here's something here's some things that other people on tiktok have been saying ah And I agree with a lot of them Well one they talked about like apparently on like Brad Womack season and I that's like the one season I didn't watch I didn't watch Brad's first season.
00:14:33
Steve
Okay.
00:14:42
popculturediner
I watched Brad's second season um but there was like a hippo and a lion or whatever they went to like the safari and ah So these podcasters have been talking about like they're like, yeah, we have this theory this like hippo and lion theory where like you you feel like you should be afraid of the lion, but hippos kill more people. And so, you know, and so they were like, Sam M is like the lion, like, you know, he's dangerous, and you stay away from him. And like, he's very outwardly toxic, bad news. But like, Devin, it seems like, oh, but like, he's kind of cute and stuff like
00:15:14
popculturediner
how do you really do that much damage?
00:15:15
Steve
Yeah,
00:15:16
popculturediner
And then it's like, bitch, I kill more people, you know? And so I think that's a really interesting theory.
00:15:18
Steve
yeah. yeah
00:15:21
popculturediner
And I and I also like that a lot of people have picked out the moment when Jen and I actually had a really hard time watching her proposal. So I was glad that other people broke it down because I couldn't even watch.
00:15:32
popculturediner
Like, I was feeling sick to my stomach. I was like, this is not I feel so uncomfortable. uncomfortable Like, I don't feel like I should be watching this. And I mean, I feel bad for Jen because I don't like she asked, do I have a choice?
00:15:42
popculturediner
I don't think she had a choice. I'm
00:15:43
Steve
Yeah, that was the worst part.
00:15:44
popculturediner
Yeah, really looking forward
Devin's Damage Control Dilemma
00:15:46
popculturediner
to her like earring.
00:15:47
Steve
Jen, are you ready to watch this thing play out in the most humiliating moment of your entire life, which will never be matched and potentially never be matched in the history of television ever again? And she's like, I know.
00:15:57
popculturediner
Yeah, I guess so.
00:15:59
Steve
What are you supposed to say?
00:15:59
popculturediner
Like what the fuck?
00:16:00
Steve
i Sure. What the fuck am I going to do?
00:16:00
popculturediner
Yeah. But like people have pointed out in that moment where she says, like I'm not going to let you propose to me, that it's like Devin was expecting that and thinking that he lost.
00:16:13
popculturediner
And then she said, you know and but I'm going to propose instead. And it was like he realized that he fucked up. And he ah he has also said that he has regretted it since that moment, since the proposal moment.
00:16:25
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:16:25
popculturediner
So to me, That reads like I was trying to because he said all the right things. If you listen to all his sound bites, if you listen to all of his shit, he's saying all the things that make people like the next bachelor.
00:16:40
popculturediner
He and I think he had a playbook in his head. Everybody's been saying he's playing this like a game. All the men on the show, if they liked him, if they didn't like him, they've all been saying the same thing.
00:16:51
popculturediner
He's playing this like a game.
00:16:51
Steve
Yeah, which you should honestly, though, it's it's a game.
00:16:53
popculturediner
He wanted to win the game. Sure.
00:16:55
Steve
You got to win.
00:16:56
popculturediner
But what game was he playing and what did he want to win?
00:16:57
Steve
ah Yeah. But OK, so so here's here's the follow up question. Let's say that he was vying to be the bachelor.
00:17:03
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:17:04
Steve
To what end? Like, does does he really does he really want to be the main character that badly? Like he wants to be the bachelor guy?
00:17:10
popculturediner
I think he does. I think he wants to be the main character that badly.
00:17:13
Steve
I don't know. I don't know.
00:17:14
popculturediner
And I think and I think he thought maybe he could be like an Ed or something like that. You know, I think he thought he had that potential ah to be like or ed a Bob Guinea. Why do you say Ed?
00:17:25
popculturediner
I don't know. ah Bob Guinea, like, like a character like that, and like a, you know, bachelor like that. And I think that that's the thought he had in his head.
00:17:35
popculturediner
I mean, now, I don't know, sounds like he might be doing some podcasts. Sounds like Maria might also be saying some things. And I really I mean, okay, in my opinion right now, everyone's
00:17:46
Steve
He broke up with her and followed Maria the next day.
00:17:49
popculturediner
Dude, it's so bad.
00:17:49
Steve
ah
00:17:51
popculturediner
Like, I feel like every man on the show's in trouble until they say something, okay?
00:17:56
Steve
yeah But Sammy, again, going back to this whole thing, i'm i amm I am not discounting the validity of what you are saying.
00:17:57
popculturediner
Even you, Jonathan.
00:18:03
Steve
However, however, however, all I need to know is can a man be that like forward thinking and calculated and like pure evil because of that calculation, but also be the dumbest man alive?
00:18:04
popculturediner
However.
00:18:20
popculturediner
Yeah, I think so. I think so.
00:18:22
Steve
i just don't see it i i did i can't i can't exist in a world where that duality exists him fair fair
00:18:27
popculturediner
I mean, think I don't think it's calculation. Okay. Having been married to a cheater, I'll just say this. ah Was he smart? No, not really. um But he said all the right things to me.
00:18:46
popculturediner
to make me question my own reality and and to make me feel like I was the problem and to make me feel like ... And not to say that I wasn't ever the problem. like you know we're always We can all be the problem sometimes.
00:18:58
popculturediner
But I i would ...
00:18:58
Steve
Not me.
00:18:59
popculturediner
Okay, sorry. You're perfect. You're infallible. I forgot. I'm so sorry.
00:19:02
Steve
That's okay.
00:19:03
popculturediner
I forgot. Yeah, gosh, see, I'm such a problem.
00:19:04
Steve
Go ahead. Sorry.
00:19:06
popculturediner
See, that's the issue. um No, but like, but like, I would be like, oh, if I bring this up, then I'm just like trying to change somebody
Future Speculations and Ethical Reflections
00:19:17
popculturediner
and how dare I and I'm just being a bitch or whatever.
00:19:17
Steve
who
00:19:21
popculturediner
And so I'd be like, well, if I don't say anything, then then we're gonna have a good day. And if I say something, then we're gonna have a bad day. If I actually say how I'm feeling, we're gonna have a bad day.
00:19:30
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah you Yeah, dude guys who post too hard those are the ones you gotta watch out for Mm-hmm
00:19:30
popculturediner
And, and I like fully was in this like fantasy world where I was like, nothing is fucking real. And I'm the problem all the time. And, you know, but also like he would say the right things and like, you know, do the gifts and do the social media posts and whatever. And so I was like, Oh, everything must be fine. I must be delusional or whatever. And
00:19:57
popculturediner
Seriously, watch your back. um Yeah, like my husband just posts really cute pictures of the super deranged envelope writings that he puts on letters to Home Depot when he pays his bill.
00:20:10
popculturediner
That's what he posts on Facebook. And that's love um because sometimes I get featured on those little envelopes anyway.
00:20:14
Steve
Yeah. Say, there you go.
00:20:19
popculturediner
So no, but like, but like he would say all the right stuff, but obviously he was like living this completely other life with like other accounts, like other email accounts and like other, you know, but he was too dumb to like put an incognito tab away.
00:20:29
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:38
popculturediner
You know what I mean?
00:20:39
Steve
yeah
00:20:39
popculturediner
It's like you went to all this effort to like say all the right things and put this really perfect image together and do things to like gaslight me into thinking that like I'm i'm the issue ah all the time.
00:20:53
popculturediner
And if I bring up something that I'm like expecting too much or whatever, and then And then, you know, and you're doing all these yeah like accounts
Closing Thoughts and Health Reminder
00:21:02
popculturediner
and whatever, like, who knows this whole world that I don't know about.
00:21:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:21:06
popculturediner
um But then, like, you're not smart enough to do a check before you leave the house and go, Oh, I should put these tabs away.
00:21:11
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:21:14
Steve
Yeah, that's true.
00:21:15
popculturediner
You know, like, you know what I'm you know what I'm saying?
00:21:15
Steve
that's You get sloppy. You get sloppy, I guess.
00:21:18
popculturediner
It's like because and especially like if you if you just are like if you're used to getting away with stuff.
00:21:18
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:23
popculturediner
And I mean, what I'm saying is I think Devon is like really smooth.
00:21:27
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:21:27
popculturediner
And and I think um I do think it was an act. And maybe he believed it somewhat. Right.
00:21:35
Steve
I would say, was it an act from the jump though, or did he just have a moment where he he got to a point where he was just like, fuck.
00:21:35
popculturediner
Because.
00:21:39
popculturediner
Um.
00:21:43
Steve
Because that's the other thing too, is i i I think the part where I can get on board is believing that at some point before the end, before that proposal, he was like, fuck.
00:21:43
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:21:55
Steve
And he was too into it, and he didn't have an exit strategy. So he was just like, I gotta ride this out. like But I I don't I don't know if like from the jump because that would that would mean that like literally from Moment one he was just like okay, so I have to do this this and this parlay my way here and then but Not win almost win, but not win in a very hyper specific way thread the needle So I'm the bachelor and that's hard like even if you're trying to do that.
00:22:03
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
00:22:18
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:22:24
popculturediner
I don't.
00:22:25
Steve
There's too much chaos.
00:22:26
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know if he was trying to be the bachelor. But what I'm saying is, I don't think he was trying to win the whole thing and be with Jen at the end.
00:22:31
Steve
I Okay. Yeah.
00:22:34
popculturediner
um But as he got closer, I think he like milked it more. um But what I will say is, if you like, if you listen to some of the things like the men said about him in the house, even the ones that we didn't like, you know, it's like we don't like Sam, em we don't like Aaron, right?
00:22:53
popculturediner
But Aaron did say, you know, like, I think what he said was accurate and I think, and what Sam M said, I think was also accurate.
00:23:04
popculturediner
I, because we thought it too. A lot of people thought that it was either going to be Daisy or Maria.
00:23:09
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:23:12
popculturediner
That's what we thought.
00:23:12
Steve
Sure.
00:23:13
popculturediner
We thought that made perfect sense. And so why wouldn't the men also think that that made perfect sense?
00:23:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:18
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:23:19
popculturediner
You know, so I'm sure that not all of them were there for Jen. And I don't think I don't think a someone breaking up with the with the bachelorette and then following Maria like a second later is really like a good indication of like strong character you know now one thing I will say is what I heard is the men aren't allowed to follow
00:23:38
Steve
No. Oh.
00:23:44
popculturediner
The Bachelorette until like after the season wraps.
00:23:47
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:23:48
popculturediner
So because people are posting, I don't know if that's true, but it's I heard it from enough sources where it feels it would make sense um because people were kind of like, well, what's up with these men following Maria and Daisy and not Jen?
00:24:01
popculturediner
But it was kind of like, well, probably because they met them on the outside and they can't follow Jen right now. So it sounds like like Jonathan wasn't following Jen. People are Jonathan is under a microscope right now.
00:24:14
popculturediner
He's getting in like ancillary trouble. Like everyone's like, you're not in the clear right now. You better watch it. Yeah, you said the right things. And after the final rose, but you better watch your shit, buddy.
00:24:24
Steve
You two could be a demon, we don't know. i
00:24:27
popculturediner
Yeah, I think the only person who's walking away unscathed at this point is Spencer. There's nobody else who's like getting an innocent edit, like except for Spencer.
00:24:35
Steve
why why are people Why are people mad at Jonathan? What did he do?
00:24:38
popculturediner
People are mad at Jonathan because of his association with like Jeremy and also some of the videos he's done with like Devin and Sam and all of like, like the whole gang and stuff.
00:24:47
Steve
oh Oh, yeah, is and okay.
00:24:49
popculturediner
So it's kind of like, it's like, you know, he's in trouble until he says something. I think in some people's minds.
00:24:58
Steve
Well, yeah, so he could be like, I condemn blah, blah, blah, because I don't think any like, there's no way the other guys knew, right?
00:24:59
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:25:01
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:25:04
Steve
Like, that's not it doesn't seem likely to me.
00:25:05
popculturediner
I mean, I don't know. It's weird because they were like, we've heard some rumors and you know, and and Jonathan was quick to say like, I'm here to support Jen. I'm you know, I'm i'm here for her.
00:25:15
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:25:16
popculturediner
um A lot of people are mad at Jeremy because of the whole.
00:25:19
Steve
He went clubbing.
00:25:21
popculturediner
Yeah, okay. Here's what I'll say. When I'm uncomfortable, I also look like the way Jeremy looks. So I'm not saying that he was in the right by any means.
00:25:27
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:25:32
Steve
No.
00:25:32
popculturediner
But I think he's like, Oh, my God, I'm in deep shit on live television. And this is like viscerally uncomfortable.
00:25:38
popculturediner
The thing that I will.
00:25:38
Steve
Yeah, I'll be horrible.
00:25:40
Steve
I would have been I would have been just absolutely mortified, like.
00:25:40
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:25:43
popculturediner
The thing I will say though is like a lot of the men on the show have said like, Oh, Marcus and Devin are my boys. So we're here, you know, like to, to support them as well. And I'm just kind of like, like, so I'm just kind of, I'm cautious about all of the men except for Spencer. Spencer's the only one who gets a pass because he, it was kind of cute. He hadn't, uh, okay. His TikToks are very adorable as well. And he had no idea what happened at the finale. And I believe him. I a hundred percent believe him. And, and, and then.
00:26:13
popculturediner
Uh, he hasn't posted a follow up video.
00:26:14
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:26:15
popculturediner
I think a lot of people are kind of holding to wait and see like what to do, I think.
00:26:16
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:26:19
popculturediner
And, uh, and maybe until Jen says something or I don't know, it feels like there's a group chat going on that we don't know about.
00:26:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:25
popculturediner
And there's going to be like a lot of videos that come out at once.
00:26:27
Steve
Oh, I was gonna say, there's there's a lot of, everybody's like testing the waters on their posts in the group chat.
00:26:30
popculturediner
There's like a lot of breath holding and stuff. Yeah.
00:26:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:33
popculturediner
So then, but someone said, you know, like a couple of people commented on Spencer's post like from last night and they were like, Oh my God, what do you think? He goes, Oh my God, this is crazy. I can't believe it. I'm shocked. He's like, I devastated.
00:26:44
popculturediner
This is so well. So, uh, anyway.
00:26:45
Steve
Yeah. Which again, honestly, I think, I think that response from Spencer probably vindicates a lot of the guys. Cause if he's like, I didn't fucking know and he went pretty far.
00:26:52
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:54
Steve
So yeah.
00:26:54
popculturediner
Yeah, I think, I think probably people didn't know, but the other thing to keep in mind is there are allegations going around about Marcus. Like Sam is a pretty toxic dude, you know, and Devin is doing some really shitty things.
00:27:04
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:06
popculturediner
So I think there'll be.
00:27:07
Steve
Some real turds on the show.
00:27:07
popculturediner
ah Yeah, there's just going to be a lot to see like who, who stays close, who separates, who tries to get a redemption in paradise.
00:27:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:17
popculturediner
Um, and then people were saying, this was kind of weird. This was a theory I did not rock with at all, but like some people were saying, Oh, it kind of reminds me of like Hannah Brown season. And this Jonathan good. at you know, come back for Jen.
00:27:28
popculturediner
And they kept saying, like, I've seen people say things like, he came back to after the final rose because he wanted a shot with Jen. He was trying to flirt with her, whatever. I'm like, I don't see that. I don't see that at all.
00:27:37
Steve
Now Yeah, he No
00:27:37
popculturediner
I think he was being really respectful. And just because he complimented her dresses on the mental all doesn't mean he like is trying to get back together with her. I think that's like, and he actually, he did address that on like social media too.
00:27:49
popculturediner
He was like, He's like, did it seem like I was flirting with her? that He used that um use that ah sound that was like, you know are all the marathons the same length? you know And they're like, that's common sense, I fear.
00:28:00
popculturediner
you know And he was like, did it seem like I was ah flirting with Jen? And they're like and then it was like him and Spencer. And Spencer was like, yeah, everybody thought that. And he was like, really? He was like, that's common sense, I fear. you know um And he's like, no, I just really like her dresses.
00:28:13
popculturediner
And I wanted her to tell i wanted to tell her she was beautiful, because she's beautiful.
00:28:13
Steve
They are good dresses.
00:28:16
popculturediner
Why can't I do that? um But people were like expecting this ending where like he goes out with her first of all That's the only time that's ever worked was Jason and Molly and that was kind of a different situation and it didn't work with Hannah Brown Yeah This is terrible.
00:28:28
Steve
Yeah. The Hannah Brown thing is totally different too. Yeah, because it literally we're cruising into the final couple of weeks. There's three men left and we're all going, Oh no, we know they're all terrible people.
00:28:43
popculturediner
Yeah
00:28:43
Steve
And it was, and the allegations were so strong as someone who like, I don't, uh, I'm not on like you know Bachelor Nation TikTok and Instagram looking into their shit.
00:28:56
Steve
I'm not reading Reddit. I'm not on reality, Steve. i am I am the pure vessel for trash, untarnished by the world.
00:29:03
popculturediner
Yes.
00:29:05
Steve
And even then, I knew about that shit. If I know about something, It's everywhere.
00:29:11
popculturediner
Yeah, it was really bad.
00:29:11
Steve
So we were watching a train wreck in slow motion. Whereas this, I don't, I mean, I don't think a lot of people knew because everybody at work was coming up to me and they're like, Oh my God, Steve, let's talk about it.
00:29:20
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:29:23
Steve
I was like, guys, I gotta get stuff done.
00:29:23
popculturediner
yeah Yeah, it was really wild.
00:29:25
Steve
yeah
00:29:26
popculturediner
I mean, I didn't know that all I knew was that they got engaged. you know And I didn't hear any rumors about anything else, but I also wasn't seeking anything out. But my feed on TikTok has been nothing but like finale stuff for the last week.
00:29:42
popculturediner
And it's partially because we're trying to like pump up our own TikTok. So I'm like sharing videos to like our podcast TikTok.
00:29:48
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:49
popculturediner
And so it's like now it's showing up in my feed. It was for a while today. It was like every video was about Devin and how much of a piece of shit he was. And I was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. um and then And then there was like a video of Spencer and it was like, ah you know, well, what have what are you doing when when you're not with Jen? And then he did that, I think you should leave like the zip line into the pool.
00:30:13
popculturediner
He just did he just did clips of that over and over.
00:30:13
Steve
ah Yeah.
00:30:15
popculturediner
And I was like, see, that's why we can trust Spencer, because he's just here for the zipline.
00:30:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:19
popculturediner
OK, and he'll be like the third guy in paradise for sure.
00:30:20
Steve
I'm here with the zip line.
00:30:23
popculturediner
um But yeah, I think I mean, for sure I can say Hakeem didn't know and I can say for sure Spencer didn't know.
00:30:27
Steve
Yeah. There's a man with an expressive face that can hide nothing.
00:30:30
popculturediner
He can't he can't hide it if he knew we would have known he knew. um Yeah, with Jeremy, I'm just kind of like, listen, he was a fraternity guy.
00:30:41
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:30:41
popculturediner
So they hold each other's toxic little secrets and fraternity brothers gossip way more than sorority sisters do. That's the God's honest truth. I've never been in messier places than frat houses and I'm not talking about like the decor.
00:30:55
popculturediner
I'm talking about their discourse. OK.
00:30:57
Steve
I have a question. How, okay.
00:30:58
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:30:59
Steve
So, so Jen found out that he was clubbing. How, how did, how did Devin goes clubbing? How was that revealed? Did someone like take pictures of him?
00:31:08
popculturediner
Well, I saw it on the Internet.
00:31:08
Steve
Was this on the internet? Like, okay. Okay.
00:31:12
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, just recently, but this was a live, you know, video.
00:31:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:17
popculturediner
So I saw it a couple of nights ago.
00:31:19
Steve
Okay.
00:31:19
popculturediner
um
00:31:19
Steve
But this, this was not, cause like, did this happen like a week ago or like what, when did this occur?
00:31:24
popculturediner
I just know I saw videos. I know there are at least two different occasions. Well, because what I actually was focused on was Jeremy and Maria. So I was not focused on the Devin.
00:31:34
Steve
Oh, Maria was clubbing too?
00:31:36
popculturediner
Yes, that's what, yes.
00:31:38
Steve
Oh my God.
00:31:39
popculturediner
That's the thing.
00:31:39
Steve
Okay.
00:31:40
popculturediner
That's the thing of it.
00:31:40
Steve
That's the thing. Okay.
00:31:41
popculturediner
So, okay. Sorry. I didn't realize you didn't have this context because I saw the video like a few days ago or something like that.
00:31:43
Steve
I had no idea. No, I, I had no idea.
00:31:47
popculturediner
Okay.
00:31:49
Steve
All I knew was that she was like, you were out clubbing with Jeremy. But then, and then the Maria, Maria got the Instagram fall. I didn't know that Maria was also clubbing.
00:31:55
popculturediner
Maria was there.
00:31:56
Steve
I thought those were two separate incidents with no connection.
00:31:57
popculturediner
Yeah. So yeah, so Maria and Jeremy are thickest thieves in some way. I don't know how close, but Maria said that she's going to be releasing some videos and she's not going to be holding back this time, she said.
00:32:09
Steve
oh
00:32:09
popculturediner
So I don't know what the hell that means, but you know, whatever she says is going to be interesting. Um, but it hasn't come out yet as far as I know. I mean, I checked like not long before we started recording, so I don't think it's come out yet.
00:32:20
popculturediner
But basically, um, there was, there are at least two videos of Jeremy and Maria clubbing together. And in one Maria says something like, he's my brother from another mother.
00:32:31
popculturediner
And they just like honestly do look like they match.
00:32:33
Steve
Oh.
00:32:34
popculturediner
They just look like a matching set those two.
00:32:35
Steve
Mhm.
00:32:37
popculturediner
So, um, I mean, I don't know if that was her friend zoning him. Or what but but um they were pretty close they're like pretty chummy and like dancing together and stuff like that and In two separate videos and Devin is there but I didn't think anything about it because I thought oh well obviously You know Jen can't be seen out with anybody right now, so it's not like she would be there So I didn't think anything of it because you see videos of people you know like bachelor bachelorette contestants current and former contestants hanging out all the time and And they go clubbing and they, or they, you know, they're out at a bar or whatever.
00:33:13
popculturediner
They're on the beach or, you know, they're at stage coach as we've addressed. So that's like very normal behavior. So I didn't really think anything of the Devon of it all, especially because of how chummy Jeremy and Maria looked in those videos.
00:33:29
Steve
Yeah.
00:33:29
popculturediner
So are you trying to find them?
00:33:29
Steve
And who, you i I, yes, I just, I just did.
00:33:32
popculturediner
I saw you like, no.
00:33:33
Steve
Do you know who shot the video?
00:33:38
Steve
Charity Lawson.
00:33:41
Steve
The scandal of it all.
00:33:41
popculturediner
Oh, charity. Oh, no.
00:33:43
Steve
Yeah. Also, and then people were already mad at Maria because it was their 30th birthday and she went out partying.
00:33:44
popculturediner
Yeah. See, that's the thing.
00:33:49
Steve
What the fuck? Who cares?
00:33:50
popculturediner
People got mad about Maria partying.
00:33:50
Steve
Let Maria party. Just partying.
00:33:53
popculturediner
That's like silly.
00:33:53
Steve
Who fucking cares?
00:33:55
popculturediner
No.
00:33:55
Steve
Yeah. Shut your puritanical turds.
00:33:57
popculturediner
Oh my gosh, that's so annoying. Well, Maria is the one who said like when you turn 30, it's not the end of the world. Hello. Like she's got to stay consistent.
00:34:03
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:04
popculturediner
But that's why I'm really curious to see what she's going to say about all of this, because I would suspect I feel like Maria is a girl's girl. I would be very surprised if she didn't.
00:34:17
popculturediner
act like a girl's girl in this situation. um People thought she wasn't a girl's girl, but I really thought she was by the end of the season and she was tight with Jen. I just now this could be the thing.
00:34:29
popculturediner
It could be like, wow, that was all a facade and she's no better than that Victoria lady.
00:34:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:36
popculturediner
You know, who knows?
00:34:38
Steve
I, yeah, I, I have no idea. I, I just tend to think that like, again, with this, with this clubbing thing is I bet, I bet Jeremy might've known like he would have been like, what? yeah
00:34:48
popculturediner
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's why like, I think that's why he looks so constipated in the audience. And I don't know if Jonathan knew anything, but he and Jeremy are really close.
00:34:54
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:58
popculturediner
So, but I, I honestly don't think I, yeah, a lot of the other guys knew anything.
00:34:58
Steve
But also it's like.
00:35:02
Steve
I have no idea cause you know, it's, it's another thing too. You have all these people out. And so again, this is a situation where I'm defaulting to the the simplest explanation may be the correct one here, which is, so you're telling me charity, Maria, Jeremy, and whoever the fuck else, Devin, we're all, we're all clubbing together.
00:35:21
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:35:25
Steve
And not a single person was just like,
00:35:30
Steve
What what? And then because because but but the thing is is like so so let's say you're in this situation and I've been out with friends before too where it's like oh I see my friend out I'm like hey where's so-and-so it's just like we broke up and then I my I'm i'm not gonna I don't give a fuck I don't probe I just go
00:35:33
popculturediner
Well.
00:35:41
popculturediner
ah her Yeah.
00:35:47
Steve
Oh, okay. Especially in the world of Bachelor Nation where it's like, oh, they didn't get married?
00:35:51
popculturediner
her Yeah.
00:35:54
Steve
Gee whiz. I didn't see that coming. And I bet that she found out because, I mean, somebody probably fucking told her that was there. because because i The other thing is too is because this is a real scumbag man move, um which is where it was just like, yeah, man, it didn't work out.
00:36:04
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:36:09
Steve
It was a mutual thing. Like he probably said that. i That I will bet money on. But it's not like he was just like, I decided I didn't love her anymore.
00:36:14
popculturediner
I.
00:36:17
Steve
So I broke up with her in a weird way on the phone.
00:36:21
popculturediner
I am going to well, we'll see what happens. All will be revealed where they're going to sound like really smart or really silly, like pretty fast.
00:36:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:36:29
popculturediner
But. um I actually have a different theory. I think, okay, so they do these things in bachelor nation. They do these like a mixers so people get to know each other.
00:36:40
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:41
popculturediner
So this is like a thing they do. I'm thinking that that clubbing event was like a, Hey, if you're in New York, I'm guessing let's, you know, we'll go, but we can go clubbing here.
00:36:54
popculturediner
Um, because he's, cause isn't that what it was? Wasn't it New York? Cause he said he was like there for a client or something like that.
00:36:57
Steve
Yeah, they're in New York, yeah. He's he's there for business or something, yeah.
00:36:59
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, whatever. He probably like worked a meeting in um and like, you know, and was like, oh, and it's a business expense.
00:37:09
popculturediner
Honestly, that's a power move. Good job, Devin, for that, um but only that.
00:37:10
Steve
Yeah, it's a good one. I like that, yeah.
00:37:13
popculturediner
ah But you know, because it's like.
00:37:13
Steve
Big fan. Expense it when you can.
00:37:15
popculturediner
Right, because doesn't don't charity and Dotten, don't they live in New York right now? Isn't that where they live?
00:37:21
Steve
Yeah, so it makes sense the charity was out, but Dotten wasn't out.
00:37:21
popculturediner
Yeah, right.
00:37:23
Steve
So again, this could have been a thing too, where what it, that's true.
00:37:24
popculturediner
Well, we didn't see him in the we didn't see him in the video. He could have been out because she was behind the camera. He could have been behind the camera.
00:37:28
Steve
Sure, sure. He wasn't, he wasn't listed in any, in any of the things that I saw, but he, it could have been a situation too, where if Devin wasn't out and she was out and, and then, uh, let's say Devin was out and they were like, Oh yeah, Devin's out.
00:37:30
popculturediner
um Right.
00:37:42
Steve
He's in town for business. And then they're all like, Hey Devin, how's Chad? And he's just like, she's great. Like, and they didn't even know like, that's, that's another.
00:37:50
popculturediner
Well, they wouldn't they didn't know who I mean, at that point, they don't know.
00:37:54
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:55
popculturediner
who won or whatever, you know, like they don't know any of that stuff or they shouldn't.
00:37:55
Steve
They don't know anything, right? Yeah. So potentially Jeremy innocent. I don't know.
00:38:01
popculturediner
I don't know, but what I'm saying is I feel like the way these men moved on this show and how tight a small group of them were, I just feel like they're the ones you should be looking at for who maybe knew more. And if they don't say otherwise and they don't react like in a surprised way, I would just be cautious. And I just have like a weird feeling that Devin confided in one person and it was Jeremy.
00:38:30
Steve
Maybe.
00:38:30
popculturediner
Maybe, but I don't think, I don't think Charity knew that just doesn't, to me, that doesn't like read as anything she would have done.
00:38:31
Steve
That's possible.
00:38:37
popculturediner
First of all, she like spent a lot of time invested in like talking up Jen and being like, no, she's going to be a great bachelorette. And you guys don't even know.
00:38:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:46
popculturediner
Um, and like, I just, yeah, it would be the weirdest, uh, like twist of all time to find out that like Charity didn't support Jen, like that doesn't make any sense to me.
00:39:00
popculturediner
Like as who she is and who she's portrayed, that would be like very shocking.
00:39:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:05
popculturediner
um So I think we're going to have to wait because I think Maria will probably give the whole true story, whatever it is. And I also don't think she's necessarily afraid of looking bad, even if it's something that makes her look bad.
00:39:19
popculturediner
But yeah, the Jeremy of it all was like the big question mark where I'm like, I don't know, I just feel like he knew something and. And I don't know if Jonathan knew something by osmosis because of that, because the two of them are really close.
00:39:36
popculturediner
So anyway, it does.
00:39:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:38
popculturediner
We don't know. This is all pointless.
00:39:39
Steve
um We're speculating on strangers on television.
00:39:41
popculturediner
This is all pointless. We're going to know like probably soon.
00:39:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:44
popculturediner
And even then it's going to be like.
00:39:45
Steve
Listen, i the only thing I know is one thing and one thing only.
00:39:48
popculturediner
What?
00:39:48
Steve
Devin is is the dumbest motherfucker alive.
00:39:50
popculturediner
Shit.
00:39:53
popculturediner
Yeah, that's the thing. Even because what I'm saying is even if he was as strategic as I'm saying or as simple as you're saying, that's my point. It still comes down to the same point that he's still not smart enough.
00:40:05
Steve
No, no.
00:40:05
popculturediner
You know, and, and, you know, when people are complaining about like Jen, not getting that good of guys, now I'm starting to agree. I do think that there, there's always like a good handful.
00:40:17
popculturediner
There's always like four or five who are like decent, but sometimes if you pick them out too early, then you screw yourself over. You know, if you kick off grocery shop store, Joe in week one.
00:40:24
Steve
Yeah, you can you can totally Yeah, you can you can cap someone in the first week it's possible what I would like to know is so this is the other part of it too is
00:40:31
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:40:38
Steve
if if If you were speculating, by you I mean you, me, the audience, whoever, if we're all speculating on who knew what and when they knew it and blah, blah, blah, and we don't know shit about shit, we're just kind of throwing it out there.
00:40:39
popculturediner
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:40:52
popculturediner
Mm.
00:40:52
Steve
The real question is, what did production know? If Devin was really like actually not in it, like for a long period of time, you know, like if if he was like,
00:41:07
Steve
faking the shit out of this for a while, then was there a point where production was basically complacent and they were like, oh, this guy's full of shit. But they just kept rolling with it because then that's the thing.
00:41:20
Steve
It's like, do you protect your lead or do you let the psychotic drama play out?
00:41:20
popculturediner
Hmm.
00:41:28
Steve
and We're in this weird place where the reality TV rules of old are like absolutely chaos reigns. Let them let them destroy each other. It's the Roman Colosseum, but with roses.
00:41:40
Steve
And the the the new era, and especially in a wholesome, puritanical show like The Bachelorette,
00:41:47
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:41:49
Steve
It's just like, no, we want we want them to find love. we want We want grandma to have a single tear roll down her face when she watches this.
00:41:53
popculturediner
Mmhmm.
00:41:57
Steve
So it's like you have you have two kind of like warring factions here. So what what did production know? And if if Jeremy knew, if if Jonathan knew, if anybody else knew what the fuck was going on and Devin wasn't just like hiding this from everyone, then production had to know, right?
00:42:11
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, let's talk about the origin of The Bachelor for a minute. Let's go all the way back to the beginning, because I think we all need to understand who the fuck Mike Fleiss is and how shitty he is.
00:42:23
Steve
Yeah.
00:42:26
popculturediner
um It's funny because it's like I've been watching the show since the beginning, since the be before the beginning. um you know I watched like Who Wants to Marry a Multimillionaire, which was a Mike Fleisch show before The Bachelor came out. That show was, and we should do like a recap of that. and we And I do want to do it of season one of Unreal. Because I think Unreal explains a lot of the things that we're talking about in a really um ah really like powerful way, really interesting way.
00:42:58
popculturediner
and um from what I've like buzzing that I've heard on the internet, it's like, yeah, it's like a dramatized take on how production works on a show like this, but it's not that far off, you know, because they talk about like, um kind of like irresponsibility of like, like a therapist being on on staff, but maybe um not for good reasons for exploitative reasons.
00:43:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:20
popculturediner
I mean, that's something that we've seen on top model Tyra Banks is like incredibly guilty of that. And that's something that a ton of contestants have come out about where
00:43:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:28
popculturediner
um she would find these insecurities for these models on the show and then like traumatize them during the show for entertainment.
00:43:33
Steve
Mm
00:43:36
popculturediner
So this is this is a thing that we know is a real thing on shows.
00:43:37
Steve
hmm.
00:43:40
popculturediner
This is not like some hypothetical, well, what if they're doing that? It's like, we know that. And Unreal takes that and like really runs with it, but it's also like, yeah, I mean, I could see that happening.
00:43:48
Steve
Hm.
00:43:52
popculturediner
So Mike Fleiss, they have a fictionalized version of Mike Fleiss on Unreal. And they kind of talk about like the origins of show and whatever. But like if you watch like whatever it's like, I want to marry a multimillionaire or whatever the title was that long ass title, you know, it was like you think this is sped up.
00:44:10
popculturediner
This was in the course of three hours. And then they like brought it back kind of right. Didn't they do that a few years ago? They did like the proposal or whatever it was called.
00:44:18
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah
00:44:19
popculturediner
Yeah, this was like the same thing where it was like it's a three hour show. You don't see the person they are. shrouded in silhouette the whole time. And these women are competing for the love of a multimillionaire that they've never met. It's it's really and weird. And by the end, they get propose like they get engaged.
00:44:42
popculturediner
and married on the show, not just engaged, actually. Yeah, they get married on the show and they're dancing. And and like and I think Darva even I think Darva was the one who said, I love you to this guy. ah Poor Darva conjure justice for Darva conjure now and forever. But it was such a weird show. is It was extremely exploitative. And it was and it showed, first of all, that like they don't care about women at all.
00:45:05
popculturediner
I mean, it took them a while that we have way more season of The Bachelor than The Bachelorette because The Bachelorette wasn't always a thing and it wasn't a thing that they did consistently.
00:45:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:45:14
popculturediner
And so, I mean, if that doesn't tell you like where the show is favored, like, I don't know what will. um But also, we have seen some really heartbreaking moments on the show before, like this is a really terrible one.
00:45:29
popculturediner
And it probably is the worst one to be like, you've gone through all of this. This man was lying to you for at least a portion of time. um First of all, oh, side note, I never knew that they were called happy couples, that the little rendezvous were called happy couples.
00:45:43
Steve
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know that either.
00:45:45
popculturediner
Or maybe I did and I forgot, but I was, but she kept being like, in our last happy couple.
00:45:45
Steve
I didn't know that was the thing.
00:45:48
popculturediner
And I was like, I love a fourth wall break. You'd like that. um Not to like diminish the seriousness of what happened, but I was like, I love that they're called happy couples.
00:45:51
Steve
Yeah.
00:45:57
popculturediner
Like that's interesting.
00:45:57
Steve
Well, and I assume that's when they shoot like, Hey, what are, uh, Jen and David up to now?
00:46:02
popculturediner
the little packages and yeah yeah stuff like that.
00:46:03
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:05
popculturediner
yeah or you know so And I know that yeah they'll like schedule rendezvous so that they can like spend time together and whatever. But anyway, you know it's like this reminds me of like the Jake and Vienna stuff.
00:46:15
popculturediner
like That was really bad.
00:46:16
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:46:17
popculturediner
you know like She was a villain on the show. They got engaged. And then we basically like watched them discuss their breakup on live TV.
00:46:28
popculturediner
And it was like one of the most awkward, painful things I've ever seen on TV.
00:46:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:46:32
popculturediner
And I think a lot of people watching the show now who are like outraged on TikTok are too young to have watched that, but that was really bad. um And I just, yeah, I feel like there was a lot of treatment of women on the earlier seasons of the show that wasn't great either.
00:46:47
popculturediner
So it's never it's never been great. But I think the audience is now catching up. And like this new audience that's coming in is going, wait a minute, isn't this incredibly fucked up?
00:46:59
popculturediner
Why are we doing this to people and women especially?
00:47:01
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like, wow.
00:47:03
popculturediner
And to the first you know Asian-American you know like bachelorette. like and And you're not giving her the best men you could and the best situation you could. And you're not treating her with like the most care you can.
00:47:16
popculturediner
That's really messed up.
00:47:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:18
popculturediner
So yeah, I think people forget.
00:47:18
Steve
yeah
00:47:20
popculturediner
So what I'm saying is like they just had her sit down and like watch her proposal to a man who broke her heart almost immediately after.
00:47:32
Steve
Cause it's like the most fucked up piece of television they could possibly air.
00:47:32
popculturediner
And so it's like, do you think they're capable of like leading her ah down this path? Like the yes, I 100 percent think so.
00:47:40
Steve
Mm-hmm. Oh yeah, totally, totally.
00:47:43
popculturediner
I think the producers probably let it happen.
00:47:43
Steve
I know i don't I don't disagree with you at all. i don't I don't disagree with you at all.
00:47:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:47:47
Steve
I'm just saying like, that's the thing is like, you you basically have to commit to the idea that they if they had to have picked up on this at some point, and they may have not just been complacent, but like orchestrated it further, just for the most fucked up thing ever, which is also crazy, because it's like, not only did you do something profoundly shitty to Jen, but I don't think this is the kind of big reaction they wanted because everybody was shocked.
00:48:15
popculturediner
Right.
00:48:16
Steve
But like if i you know or if if I was walking down the street and then you popped up from behind the corner and then smacked me in the dick with a baseball bat, I would be shocked and surprised, but I wouldn't like that.
00:48:30
popculturediner
Right.
00:48:30
Steve
Wouldn't be good.
00:48:31
popculturediner
Right. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that are like pack it up. The show is over like.
00:48:35
Steve
No, it's no. it's it's
00:48:36
popculturediner
And I mean, I don't feel that way because obviously, well, I'm just I'm just in it. It's too late to back out now, but I can complain.
00:48:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:45
popculturediner
I can complain about it. And I want to be loud about what I would like to see change.
00:48:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:50
popculturediner
um But like what I what I see coming is and I actually just pulled up this article. um Do you remember the whole Jenna Jordan stuff that happened on Bachelor in Paradise a few years ago?
00:49:00
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah.
00:49:02
popculturediner
Yeah, that was so. confusing right because there was like it was like this story that we told like it was like there's Jordan was like oh Jenna was with somebody else and and like it was weird right because they were like Jordan was like this for so those of you who don't know Jordan was kind of this like space cadet male model whatever and he was kind of like a punchline on his season and and then he met Jenna on the beach and she's like I'm an alien and he was like I think I love you and it was just like you we were all just kind of like yeah I mean this kind of makes sense because like they're both weirdos and like that's kind of nice like um you know I was like I'm on board I really like it and then all of a sudden it was like
00:49:35
Steve
yeah Sure.
00:49:48
popculturediner
She has a boyfriend and she played me. And wasn't there like a money thing to or something like that? Like, I don't know. There was there was some other like weird like fraud stuff. And so Jordan made the rounds on all these podcasts. Like I'm so heartbroken. And I he went on really see his podcast. I listened to that. And he was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe I found these text messages from Jenna and her boyfriend and whatever. And then Jenna was like, I'm going to get this forensically analyzed.
00:50:19
popculturediner
And i'm goingnna I'm going to forensically analyze these text messages and prove I was innocent. And actually, I do think she got some kind of proof.
00:50:23
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:50:28
popculturediner
Um, but I don't, so, ah but to this day, I like still don't know what to believe.
00:50:28
Steve
Oh.
00:50:34
popculturediner
Like, I don't know whether to believe that she was telling the truth or he was telling the truth. Um, in this case, so what I'm saying is I don't believe a word that comes out of Devin's mouth.
00:50:47
popculturediner
Don't worry. I will never believe a word that comes out of Devin's mouth. He's a snake in the grass, but. I feel like we're gonna get accounts from other people. And I, if things don't line up, you're gonna have to like, it could be a bad art friend kind of case.
00:51:02
popculturediner
Did you read the bad art friend?
00:51:03
Steve
yes i did i did
00:51:04
popculturediner
Yeah. We're here just like, are they both assholes? Or like, are they both kind of true? Like, I don't
00:51:10
Steve
yeah
00:51:11
popculturediner
I know I'm supposed to take sides, but I don't know what side to take. And I just feel like this might be one of those things where we'll get a little bit of a story from one person, a little bit of a story from another person, but we won't totally know like what the truth is.
00:51:23
popculturediner
But yeah.
00:51:24
Steve
Yeah, um but yeah, this is honestly, this is as someone who doesn't give a shit about Marcus and it took according to Reddit, he's also like a bad guy in real life.
00:51:34
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:51:36
Steve
But just thinking about Marcus on the show, ah who is, i' is there anything stronger than a black hole? what's the What's the strongest force possible like for sucking charisma out of the universe?
00:51:45
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:51:48
Steve
That's Marcus.
00:51:48
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:51:49
Steve
ah But to his credit, Uh, you know, it all of his detached charisma free glory. The whole time as he approached the ending, he was just like, I'm not here.
00:52:06
popculturediner
her
00:52:06
Steve
We're running out of runway. And I don't think I'm your guy.
00:52:12
popculturediner
Yeah. He's like, I still feel the same, which is not good. And so like to his credit, yeah, he got out and that was good and he was honest and good for him.
00:52:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:19
Steve
Hmm.
00:52:21
popculturediner
And, you know, and he was like, yeah.
00:52:22
Steve
that's That's what you're supposed to do. And on the other side, it's like you have Devin and and you know maybe his feelings were were real for a while and and maybe they weren't ever or maybe they were and then they weren't.
00:52:24
popculturediner
And he was like, I'll try. Yeah.
00:52:33
Steve
We don't know, but no matter what you do, don't do what he did because it is profoundly shitty. And I can't emphasize this enough, literally the dumbest way to deal with this situation ever.
00:52:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:52:46
Steve
It's like, how can you ensure that
00:52:48
popculturediner
That no one's going to like you after this.
00:52:50
Steve
Everybody hates you. And even the people who like, liked you on a personal level before, or even still, you know, like, Oh, that was really shitty, but he's still my boy. They can never publicly associate with you for like probably several years at this point.
00:53:05
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, he's radioactive. That's the thing. That's why I'm saying like these men are all on thin ice.
00:53:09
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:11
popculturediner
Like people are not forgetting and they are really mad. And so it's like you better just like you better watch your shit. um
00:53:20
Steve
Yeah. Although it has been like less than 24 hours. So, uh, you know, ask me in, in three months, if anybody gives a shit about Devin, but they should cause he should.
00:53:23
popculturediner
Yeah. the And they probably I mean, but that's what I'm saying. Like here's here's. If you have any questions about like, oh, did producers do this or whatever, just watch bachelor in paradise and see if they let Devin come on.
00:53:39
popculturediner
That'll give you every answer you need. Like you don't need to think about it beyond that.
00:53:41
Steve
Oh, they'd be so juicy. You know, they're going to drop that little radioactive piece of shit on the beach.
00:53:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:53:48
Steve
It's going to be great.
00:53:49
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:50
Steve
yeah And then he'll fall, it they'll orchestra it so he falls in love like they're gonna do the thing where they place him in a very specific way and he's gonna fall in love with, I don't know, who is universally loved but currently single by Bachelor Nation and is a woman.
00:53:50
popculturediner
And yeah.
00:54:03
Steve
That's who they're gonna try and pair him up with.
00:54:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:54:05
Steve
It's gonna be just fucking nuts.
00:54:07
popculturediner
Yeah. And he just and he was like doing this shit. So like, yeah. So he said, you know, um I found myself falling short of those expectations in the real world that like Jen had for him.
00:54:18
popculturediner
Right. I found myself.
00:54:19
Steve
Which, what does it even mean?
00:54:20
popculturediner
Well, that's what I'm saying. That's the kind of world I lived in where I was like. You know, I'm falling or I'm like, I can't change myself. It's just who I am. And I'm like, I just wanted like a nice gift or like a letter every once in a while.
00:54:33
popculturediner
Didn't know that that was asking for too much. And he's like, you know, I found myself not being able to live up to the things you need and you deserve. And it's like for you to be nice to me and say nice things to me.
00:54:42
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:43
popculturediner
Like. Okay. And he's like, I watched myself contribute to your regression and that hurt me. You don't deserve to compromise your standards to be happy. And that's like, that is such an out. Like that is such an out.
00:54:53
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:54:54
popculturediner
It's not like a real apology. It's not like the way Jonathan said it, right?
00:54:57
Steve
No.
00:54:59
popculturediner
Where he's like, I was hoping that I would be enough for you. Or I was hoping I would be like what you wanted and I wasn't, you know, but like,
00:55:05
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:55:06
popculturediner
You know, but you made me a better person and I hope you know Like I brought that to you too and you know like and I'm so i like you're amazing and all these things I don't yeah, I Don't think that that's I think his
00:55:13
Steve
Yeah. And I don't even know, like, I don't know what Devon is saying, like, is he saying it's it's kind of like a way to say, like, I'm not good enough for you, which subtext because I know that what I did was shitty, but it's not, but it's not an admission of being shitty. It's not an admission.
00:55:32
popculturediner
I think his way of doing it, okay, if I'm going into, on my mind is Devin is super manipulative. The way that I look at it is he's saying, I'm not living up to your expectations so that people fill in the blank and say, oh, Jen's high maintenance.
00:55:45
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:55:46
popculturediner
She expects too much of men. She's never gonna, she's never gonna end up with anybody if she just has such high expectations for men. Because, because because the way he said like, oh, I can't go clubbing, you know, like,
00:55:58
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:56:00
popculturediner
I mean, I lived that life. I've been with men like that where they'll be like, oh, I can't go out to the bar. And it's like, well, if you're going three or four times a week to the same place and you're going alone, I think that means you have a problem.
00:56:14
Steve
Yeah.
00:56:14
popculturediner
Like you're going on a Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and you're not going there to meet people. You're just going there to drink by yourself. Um, that it's not, the problem isn't you're going to the bar.
00:56:23
Steve
Yeah. Well, and and the but the thing with Devin is,
00:56:25
popculturediner
Like, yeah.
00:56:26
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and the same thing. It's just like, yeah, Devin, you, you can go, you can go clubbing 24 hours, 48 hours. I don't know how long it was after your breakup with a person that you like got engaged to on national television, but also you have to realize that.
00:56:40
popculturediner
Mmhmm.
00:56:43
Steve
I don't know if if this was a real world relationship which I mean something like this is you could barely draw the comparison but let's say it was then I don't think anybody would give a shit and if they did it'd be like well yeah because you're not together anymore so who fucking cares but guess what when you're on TV and you break up with someone via text yeah yeah yeah
00:56:59
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, you have to be mindful of the optics. Yeah. Like that's what's like, you know, like the people who get bit in the ass on the show don't don't think about the optics. And what I'm saying is like I think he was clever to a point.
00:57:09
Steve
yeah
00:57:13
popculturediner
I think he knew what would get him like advanced and get him positive points and all of that stuff. But I think.
00:57:20
Steve
Mhm.
00:57:22
popculturediner
Because this is a completely different animal and like, because okay, when you see people who are like marketers in real life, not handle the show well, you're like,
00:57:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:57:34
popculturediner
Hello, like you should be you of all people should know how to present yourself online.
00:57:36
Steve
Mhm.
00:57:40
popculturediner
But it is like an overwhelming situation. Like we can sit here and, you know, be, you know, like armchair quarterbacks or whatever and say, well, this is how I would play things and this is how I would do it.
00:57:51
Steve
Yeah, but it's different when you have producers manipulating you and your emotions are being played with and there's like hot lights over you constantly.
00:57:51
popculturediner
We don't fucking know. Yeah. ah
00:57:57
popculturediner
and There's a lot of alcohol and like yeah it's like you're eating different, you're pooping different, there's lots of alcohol in front of you, you're sleep deprived.
00:57:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:05
popculturediner
It's basically you you're in a cult. They're doing mind control on you. i mean They're using the bite model on people like for sure. like it this is I'm not saying it's a cult, but I'm saying it's great.
00:58:17
popculturediner
You know, it's that, oh, my God, what's the what's the podcast? And I listened to it. And now is it just called Cultish? What is it called? Oh, my gosh, I got I got to look it up.
00:58:26
Steve
it's It's like one of those like army boot camp scared straight things, except maybe you fall in love.
00:58:28
popculturediner
It's really good.
00:58:32
popculturediner
Because they have let's so OK, now I feel bad. Oh, it sounds like a cult. Sounds like a cult. So there's a good podcast. I haven't listened to it in a while, which is why I forgot the name, but it's called Sounds Like A Cult. And they'll go into like, is this a cult? And it'll be like, you know, is it live your life, um watch your back or like run or something like that? There's like three different categories and they'll be like, are you know, are Montessori schools a cult?
00:58:56
popculturediner
ah Is like getting married like you know it's like wedding culture occult is you know Girl Scouts occult or whatever and they'll just kind of and sometimes they'll be like oh, it's just like it's just nothing It's not a big deal, but they go into like the bite model like okay. Are they limiting who you talk to?
00:59:14
popculturediner
Um, are you only getting, uh, information from like a single source? Are they, uh, are you being sleep deprived? Are they controlling what you eat? You know, you, all of those, that it's like, that's what happens on a reality TV show.
00:59:26
popculturediner
You lose contact with the outside world.
00:59:27
Steve
Now
00:59:29
popculturediner
Your only form of entertainment is like each other and you can only really confide in the producers and you're limited in the amount of information that you're being allowed to have. So of course you're going to react.
00:59:39
Steve
Yeah. The only people you could interact with are the people who are also being manipulated or the people who are manipulating you.
00:59:44
popculturediner
Right.
00:59:45
Steve
That's it.
00:59:45
popculturediner
Right. So it's like a really weird situation. So so I get what you're saying when you say like, well, maybe he was in it and then he like kind of like snapped out of it. But um I'm thinking he's more sinister than that.
00:59:56
popculturediner
But that's just me. That's just me. Listen, he's a SoundCloud rapper. Can we really trust him?
01:00:01
Steve
yeah
01:00:02
popculturediner
Let's get let's get really down to brass tacks here.
01:00:05
Steve
Yeah, we shouldn't date him anyways, but yeah, that's true.
01:00:07
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, I shouldn't date him anyways. Yeah, I was looking to see yeah if there was any other things that came out. But well, so one thing that Devin did do, again, this was like he's he's I think he's trying to I think he thinks that he can put out the right things and turn people against Jen. But what he doesn't realize is that he's deeply unlikable and Jen is very likable.
01:00:31
popculturediner
And and nothing will change that. No one's going to even the I mean, the people who say that Jen's the worst bachelorette, I think ah just have like biases that they need to uncover because there may be some isms going on in their life.
01:00:31
Steve
Yeah.
01:00:45
popculturediner
um But yeah, I mean, for the people who are like riding with Jen, they're not going to like all of a sudden flip and be like, oh, Devon was right the entire time, you know, like
01:00:56
Steve
Also, bro, it's too hot right now. Don't touch it. Don't touch it.
01:00:59
popculturediner
Yeah, but he did.
01:00:59
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:00
popculturediner
He did because he posted. He posted. um I was trying to find I have him on my I have him on TikTok saved anyway. But he posted screenshots on Instagram of like the text he had with Jen.
01:01:11
popculturediner
He posted them on his IG story and then like deleted them within like 10 minutes. But that's what I'm saying.
01:01:18
Steve
I don't know. ah Exactly.
01:01:19
popculturediner
He doesn't understand how the Internet works. You think. People are not watching you like a hawk right now and seeing whatever you post and screenshotting it immediately. I don't really think the texts were that revealing. It was just kind of like, he thought he had Jen in a gotcha because he had texted her. And again, I've experienced this too, where he's like, he's like, well, you said that you wanted to break up. And it's like, but what made her say that?
01:01:42
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:01:42
popculturediner
What made her say that? What did you do to bring that out of her?
01:01:44
Steve
Yeah Yeah
01:01:46
popculturediner
Just just asking. and then because And then he conveniently cuts off the bottom where she said, I did say we wanted to bring up but. And I'm like, all of the context is right there, and you cut it off.
01:01:57
Steve
yeah
01:01:59
popculturediner
And I know you did. It's so obvious.
01:02:01
Steve
Honestly, he's he's still, I don't know if he could have completely saved himself. Well, I mean, a little bit of time, like if he would have waited an extra couple of weeks, he would have saved himself.
01:02:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:02:13
Steve
If he would have just completely like just thrown himself out there and just been like, listen, just just fucking take take me out, crucify me, crucify me right now.
01:02:28
Steve
just Yeah, I'm a terrible person. What I did was wrong. How I handled it was wrong. I should have talked to you. Like he would have to come clean about everything and then he'd still be an asshole.
01:02:35
popculturediner
ah her
01:02:37
Steve
But at least he'd be like, all right, well, what are you going to do? But like every calculation that he made from the engagement to the finale and after the final rose thing, it was just like you you could have not I couldn't have scripted a worse way for you to handle this other than like, I don't know, ah going with Jen to L.A.
01:03:00
popculturediner
Mm-hmm. Right?
01:03:00
Steve
and throwing her into oncoming traffic on the 405.
01:03:03
Steve
Like what?
01:03:03
popculturediner
Yeah. i mean
01:03:04
Steve
this
01:03:05
popculturediner
You know, I saw some people say things like, you know, this is how you play it. If you if you make it all the way to the end, but you actually didn't want to go all the way to the end, the way you play it is you date for a little while and you wait like six months.
01:03:15
Steve
No.
01:03:21
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:03:21
popculturediner
three to six months till the heat's off of you. And then you break up and you're just like, Oh, we were just too different. It just like wasn't going to work.
01:03:27
Steve
And nobody cares!
01:03:29
popculturediner
No one's ever going to think of it.
01:03:29
Steve
Nobody cares!
01:03:30
popculturediner
Even if the other person is scored, even if you did something kind of bad, like people move on. Cause the new cycle is that best. Unless it's like, especially heinous, but you never really hear about, um, like The breakup set fizzle out like that. You're just kind of like, Oh, okay. I guess on to the next thing. That's too bad. You know, like, but I'm watching this season now. So, and I've.
01:03:52
popculturediner
you know, the memory of a goldfish. Um, so he could have done that. I mean, that's the thing. Like that's the not smart thing. And God, I mean, I was just, I'm looking at this E news article and, um, they're talking about, you know, like when, when, uh, Jen was like, yeah, so like, so she said, you know, on the show, ending the engagement on a phone call. And then the next day I wake up to you following girls on Instagram, not just any girl, but Maria, not only is that so disrespectful to everything that we had shared together. I just don't understand that.
01:04:23
popculturediner
And he said, I can't excuse the Instagram follow. I know how much that hurt you. And then this was like the fucked up sentence that he said that made me super mad last night. He goes, I'm not here to tell you. You can't feel the way you feel. That's like, I'm sorry you feel that way. Like he didn't like, he's just like, well, I knew it hurt you that I followed her, but not that it was wrong to follow her. He's just like, I'm sorry that that you didn't like that. And I think, okay, this is like.
01:04:53
popculturediner
This is like gone girl shit. um Spoiler alert. If you haven't watched Gone Girl, don't watch the next few minutes, I guess. But you know, like how and have you watched Gone Girl?
01:05:05
Steve
Yeah, I mean, this is a movie that came out like over a decade ago at this point, right?
01:05:05
popculturediner
OK. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:08
Steve
like
01:05:08
popculturediner
And yeah, I listened to the audio book in 2014 and then the movie came out.
01:05:09
Steve
ah
01:05:13
popculturediner
um So so yeah, you should like what are you doing with your life? you Like a very big cultural reference.
01:05:17
Steve
Yeah, you're a lot you're lot to you're allowed to spoil um a movie that's a decade old.
01:05:18
popculturediner
You should know this.
01:05:21
Steve
like if
01:05:21
popculturediner
So Amy, yeah, so like Amy and gone Gone Girl, she talks about now she's an unreliable narrator, right? Like obviously she's an unreliable narrator, but she makes a really good point about like men want the cool girl, right? Like like there's these men who just like want like, they say they want like a low maintenance cool girl who's like all breezy vibes. And then when she becomes an actual person with actual feelings and needs, then like they toss them out, don't want them anymore. And we know like in,
01:05:49
popculturediner
in real like in real book life that he was cheating and he was cheating with like a younger like cool girl or whatever right and I feel like so I'm not saying like go Amy but what I am saying is um I think that is what Devon is looking for
01:05:57
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:06:07
popculturediner
I think like, cause Jen does, she does give off that vibe on the show, you know, and, and she gave it off on Joey season two, where it was just like, she's kind of, she's like super fun and she's down for ever anything.
01:06:12
Steve
Hmm.
01:06:21
popculturediner
And she can like, you know, she can like giggle with the guys and like, she's, you know, She's just like so fun and easy going and no problems and whatever. But it's like, yeah, but that like you can be fun, but you also have requirements of a relationship.
01:06:36
popculturediner
And I think when she started to go, yeah, like i and you know and she even mentions like on the date with her family. You know, she's like, yeah, we can compromise, right? Like we can find common ground. We can compromise. And like that's important to her, you know, because that's what a relationship is about. Like he understands my point. I understand his point and we can compromise. And that's important to me. And I think um he probably delivered a lot of that lip service to her when they were together because it's like, well, there's no
01:07:11
popculturediner
there's no stakes here, right? Like this isn't real right now. So I can just say whatever and I can say that I'd be cool with that. But then when she starts to say things like, hey, um for the next two months or whatever, three months while I'm stuck here and I can't be seen out anywhere with anybody and you have a ah much greater degree of freedom, I would prefer it if you didn't like go out clubbing
01:07:19
Steve
yeah yeah
01:07:38
popculturediner
You know, and and he's like, what are you going to change me when I can't live my life? I can't go clubbing. You know, and it's like, well, I mean, like you can do whatever you want, I guess, like she said, you can do whatever you want, but you but it doesn't mean that it's not going to like hurt my feelings or make me feel like left out or whatever. And I think it's like a totally normal way to feel. um and And especially, I mean,
01:08:04
popculturediner
Obviously, she had a right to feel like insecure or whatever. um But I think it was and that's not the thing that did it, I'm sure. But I'm guessing that there were things like that that happened throughout the relationship where she was like, I would feel more comfortable if you did this or I don't really like this. And he was probably like, What are you trying to change me? Oh, I'm sorry. I can't live up to your expectations. I'm sorry that i'm I'm sorry that I'm terrible. I'm sorry that I suck. I'm sorry that I'm not the best person in the world. I'm sorry that I'm not the engagement you thought you were going to get. Like I have a weird feeling that that's how he fired it back at her and is not the like sad puppy dog.
01:08:38
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:40
popculturediner
Oh, I'm so sorry that I didn't live up to your expectations and like I wish I could and whatever. To me, it feels like an attack. It's not, it's not an apology. It's an attack. um So anyway, those those are some of my those are some of my thoughts. I think once the once she became a whole human being to him with like complex emotions and and anxieties and fears and feelings, ah and he realized that he would not be able to ah be a responsible person in a relationship, he decided to try to go find, a chase a fantasy that was more fun.
01:09:18
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:09:19
popculturediner
That's what I think.
01:09:21
Steve
Well, I think don't tell me I can't go clubbing. I'm going clubbing whenever I want, Sammy, so.
01:09:27
popculturediner
Listen, you can live your life. You can do whatever you want. ah Like youre you're fully in charge of your own life. I mean, it's like I like dated this guy.
01:09:32
Steve
Yeah, I'd actually be upset if you made me go clubbing, like.
01:09:36
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm going to make you go clubbing. Yeah, neither one of us should ever go clubbing. Um, no, but I, you know, it's like, I dated this guy when I was like 19 and, and I, it was kind of a weird, uh, I mean, the whole thing was weird, but, uh, the funny thing is I, we broke up and then like all his friends decided to hang out with me instead.
01:09:40
Steve
No.
01:09:57
popculturediner
Because they were like well he sucked and he's a pathological liar and like you're cool And so then and now I'm friends with I'm actually like pretty But he and so he's the one who told me he goes yeah He would like complain and be like yeah She just really wants to talk about our feelings and stuff and complain about things and they're like you mean be in a relationship and
01:10:18
Steve
Mm-hmm
01:10:19
popculturediner
And why are you complaining about that?" And they would be like, they're like, why are you mad that Sammy just wants to like be in a relationship with you? Wasn't that what you wanted? And they there he was like, oh, it's just so annoying.
01:10:31
popculturediner
And they were like, I literally can't understand you at all. And i just that's like the vibe that I get from him, but I don't know.
01:10:39
Steve
this possible yeah
01:10:40
popculturediner
um Yeah. And then, you know, I also I feel like we should end with some of the things um that Jen said, because I watching her sob at the end was just like, yeah, it was so cruel.
01:10:52
popculturediner
And they're just like, and now we're going to move on to Joan. And I was like, what?
01:10:56
Steve
Yeah, that was weird. i i didn't even I couldn't even watch the Jones stuff. like i didn't care like What's Her Name's dad came out and I was just like, I don't need to see Ernest fucking Hemingway come out of a limo.
01:11:01
popculturediner
No, I felt so sick.
01:11:06
Steve
like This doesn't matter to me.
01:11:08
popculturediner
Yeah, I was like, wait, you're just going to leave us like that? Yeah, somebody in in some TikTok comment was like, give Jenna a trip to Greece. What the fuck? I was like, you need to give her more than dancing with the stars. But yeah, so she said to Devin, I hope that you learn that the weight of your words matter. And if you're going to promise something, you should be able to fulfill those promises.
01:11:29
popculturediner
I just I simply couldn't have done what you've done in that position. And when I love something, I nurture it and I value it and I don't throw it away the next day.
01:11:39
Steve
Mm. Again, Devin, wait six months!
01:11:41
popculturediner
Oh.
01:11:44
Steve
That's all I had to do!
01:11:44
popculturediner
Yeah, it's just it's just so sad anyway.
01:11:47
Steve
It is. It's profoundly sad.
01:11:47
popculturediner
um
01:11:49
Steve
And that's the thing too is like, you, you can't always, and you really shouldn't excuse stupid people for their bullshit because stupid people do fucked up things that hurt kind, well-intentioned people.
01:11:52
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:12:01
Steve
And yeah, it's like, dude, just if you're going to be awful, at least be a little more considerate.
01:12:08
popculturediner
Yeah. Walter's so upset. He's up here with me today.
01:12:11
Steve
Oh, big waltz.
01:12:11
popculturediner
and He's like whining. He's like, oh, so sad. I just hate it so much.
01:12:16
Steve
It's okay.
01:12:16
popculturediner
um We're going to go clubbing, but we're not going to go with Victoria and Greg because they split up.
01:12:16
Steve
We'll also, we're going clubbing. Yeah.
01:12:23
Steve
Oh no.
01:12:24
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:12:25
Steve
Wow.
01:12:25
popculturediner
um And obviously, Teresa and Jerry got divorced already.
01:12:29
Steve
Hmm.
01:12:31
popculturediner
But Joey and Kelsey still going strong. I mean, I'm such a Joey fan. I hope things work out for him. Kat and John Henry, they split up.
01:12:40
Steve
Hmm.
01:12:41
popculturediner
Eliza and Aaron, they split up. I think we knew that already.
01:12:43
Steve
Wow. Cat, cat split up with someone. That's, that's crazy to me. Like how, how, how could someone like that not, not be ready for a relationship?
01:12:47
popculturediner
Avon.
01:12:52
popculturediner
I don't know, she's like so stable.
01:12:55
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:55
popculturediner
Avon and Kylie also split up. Of course, Charity and Dotten are engaged and I love them. Zach and Katie are still engaged, which surprises me every day.
01:13:06
popculturediner
um And Daniel and Michael split, which makes me so sad. I really liked them as a couple, but you know, that shit happens. And Brandon and Serene, that still shocks the shit out of me that they split up.
01:13:18
Steve
Yeah, because they were like, yeah, so that we know.
01:13:19
popculturediner
I thought they were going to be together forever. um And special shout out, yeah, special shout out to Rachel um because oh my God, she was crying in the audience and she knows exactly what this feels like.
01:13:28
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:13:30
popculturediner
And justice for Rachel, justice for Jen, these men are trash. You two deserve so much better. You're like both beautiful and amazing. And Rachel is one of my favorite bachelorettes of all time.
01:13:42
popculturediner
And I mean it was great to see her in the audience like so bewildered and so upset. um But here's the thing. People talked about like how Becca when she had that terrible heartbreak on the show that was like so gut wrenching to watch.
01:13:55
Steve
Mm-hmm
01:13:57
popculturediner
that all the women kind of like swarmed her and hugged her um on the show um on, you know, like the women tell all or whatever, or whatever.
01:14:02
Steve
Mm-hmm Now
01:14:05
popculturediner
Maybe it was after, the I guess it was after the final rose when they did that full. That was another really painful thing with the whole like Becca, all the Becca and Ari stuff and whatever. Like that was just like some of the worst shit I've ever seen on television.
01:14:18
popculturediner
um And they were like, we're going to give it to you, uncut. And I was like, this sucks so bad, right?
01:14:24
Steve
But what have you cut it?
01:14:26
popculturediner
yeah Yeah, it was like, also, you're showing me so much.
01:14:27
Steve
Also, please edit. me
01:14:30
popculturediner
like There's a lot of silence in this. But um but like all the women came out on stage and like hugged Becca and surrounded her. And people were saying, like why wasn't why weren't we allowed to do the same?
01:14:41
popculturediner
like you know like Jonathan could have gone down there. Rachel could have gone down there. There are a lot of people in the audience who are like supportive and could have gone down there and like given her a hug. like if all the women came down, like that would have been really amazing.
01:14:54
popculturediner
Or like if her family, if she was allowed to sit with her family or come her family was allowed to come down. And so it was just like to have her sit next to him and watch her put her all in this.
01:14:59
Steve
Now.
01:15:05
popculturediner
I mean, to Jen, it was obviously not a game. this I mean, you can't... That's the thing. It's like you can't accuse Jen of faking it or being an actor.
01:15:16
popculturediner
I've never seen anybody sob that much on The Bachelor or Bachelorette ever, ever, ever in the whole history of watching the show ever.
01:15:21
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:23
popculturediner
like that It was like guttural. It was visceral. it was I really felt like I shouldn't be watching it. and Yeah, to not give her any support at all was really cruel.
01:15:36
popculturediner
And those are the moments that make me realize that, yeah, they'll do anything to manipulate the scenes that they want to get.
01:15:42
Steve
Yeah. I would also encourage you, whether you are you know ah ah a man or a woman or however you decide to identify, don't go on the show. What's what's our success rate at this point?
01:15:52
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:15:54
popculturediner
bad, the success rate is bad. Now, if you want to come on the show to get to paradise, I get it.
01:15:54
Steve
it's It's quite poor.
01:15:57
Steve
And then on top of that,
01:16:00
popculturediner
Cause I would do that.
01:16:00
Steve
Yeah, yeah, I would do that for, but, but it's like, how much do I want to like destroy my mental health and my emotional wellbeing for a trip to Mexico?
01:16:01
popculturediner
I would be like, I'm quirky enough to get there.
01:16:07
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:16:09
Steve
Cause I gotta to tell you, Sammy, I can get you a deal, like an all inclusive for just like, like probably a couple hundred bucks a night.
01:16:09
popculturediner
Not much. Yeah.
01:16:17
Steve
Like, mm-hmm.
01:16:18
popculturediner
Yeah. And I'd probably poop better too.
01:16:20
Steve
You probably would.
01:16:21
popculturediner
Yeah, I realize that people haven't watched other seasons.
01:16:21
Steve
And that's important.
01:16:24
popculturediner
They're like, why is she talking about poop so much? Um, just watch the last season of bachelor in paradise.
01:16:27
Steve
But could can you imagine like,
01:16:29
popculturediner
There's so bad a poop baby. Imagine that.
01:16:32
Steve
Yeah, poop baby, poop baby.
01:16:32
popculturediner
Okay. That's what happened.
01:16:34
Steve
I just wanna say like, okay, so like the value proposition for this show is amazing.
01:16:39
popculturediner
Mm. Marketer.
01:16:40
Steve
It's amazing. You ready? It's like, okay, so what if I told you, Sammy, that we're gonna have this show that you're on and there's gonna be 30 male contestants and by the time you get to the end, you're gonna find a husband.
01:16:41
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:16:45
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:16:49
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:16:52
popculturediner
Wow.
01:16:57
popculturediner
Wow. That sounds very interesting. I would like that. Thank you.
01:16:57
Steve
You go, oh, that sounds good.
01:17:01
Steve
And then you say, Steve, tell me more.
01:17:01
popculturediner
And beautiful, beautiful gowns. Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:03
Steve
Yeah. And beautiful guys. We're going to, we're going to put you in beautiful gowns. You got to go to exotic locations. You're loving this. You're loving this.
01:17:08
popculturediner
Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Please.
01:17:09
Steve
Yeah.
01:17:09
popculturediner
I want to go to Cleveland, Ohio. I really hope that's on the list.
01:17:12
Steve
Yes.
01:17:13
popculturediner
Why was that around the list? I like Cleveland, but what the heck?
01:17:15
Steve
And then I go, okay, wait, here's the catch. Here's the catch.
01:17:17
popculturediner
Okay. I'm ready.
01:17:18
Steve
So a hundred percent chance you're going to get down to one guy and that that's totally going to happen.
01:17:18
popculturediner
All right. What's the catch? her
01:17:25
Steve
That's going to happen. But. Unfortunately, the chance that it's going to last is, I think it's about 11% at this point.
01:17:33
popculturediner
OK, OK.
01:17:34
Steve
So you're like, okay, but it's still an 11% chance that I haven't, I haven't really had a chance yet, but on top of that, and we're going to give you a little, a little bump here because you're a woman.
01:17:44
Steve
So there's also.
01:17:45
popculturediner
Yeah, my my ads are much better than if I was the bachelor.
01:17:49
Steve
Yes, but because because you are a woman, you have a little bit of bump in the odds of of staying with someone, but there's also an 80% increase that we will completely humiliate you on national television.
01:17:49
popculturediner
Much better, yeah.
01:18:00
popculturediner
Oh, oh, I don't know if I like that. Can I back out?
01:18:04
Steve
No, but no matter what happens, you'll be moderately famous for three to five years.
01:18:05
popculturediner
Why? No.
01:18:11
popculturediner
OK, but what if I am really charming and I start a subscription box line, then what?
01:18:19
Steve
Well, then sky's the limit.
01:18:20
popculturediner
OK.
01:18:20
Steve
But you have to be Canadian, sorry.
01:18:22
popculturediner
Oh, OK. Well, what if I write what if I write a book about my breakup and then start um a line of fitness equipment? What what then?
01:18:31
Steve
That's that's that's your only path forward. That's the other thing too is by the way, you're going to be ah Famous enough where you can't actually like like sustain yourself for the rest of your life But a little too famous and too Googleable to get a real job for the rest of your life So you're stuck in this hellish purgatory where people will recognize you at Baskin Robbins, but you can't pay your mortgage Yes, that's right
01:18:42
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
01:18:55
popculturediner
Right. The hellish purgatory. That's where Nick Bile lives. Yes. Yes.
01:19:00
Steve
And you could be a guest on his podcast.
01:19:02
popculturediner
Yeah. That's my only option. I have to be a guest on his podcast. And like the better option is Reality Steve. ah That's the best option that I have, probably.
01:19:09
Steve
Yeah.
01:19:11
popculturediner
and But most of the time, I'll be on Nick Viles' podcast because he's just always hungry for the same people to come on all the time.
01:19:18
Steve
That's right. All the time.
01:19:19
popculturediner
a That guy from Waukesha. OK, well, I mean, you know I've lived in Waukesha, so maybe that's not so bad.
01:19:26
Steve
I can assure you it is. so
01:19:27
popculturediner
Okay.
01:19:30
popculturediner
I was like trying to think of other scenarios. I was like, what if, well, okay. um Well, what if I get on the show, I get in a relationship, I made it for a while, but it doesn't ultimately work out.
01:19:37
Steve
Mm
01:19:40
popculturediner
But then I also distanced myself from the show enough to write a book that's like probably pretty decent that um other people um who run podcasts have yet to read and still need to read it. And then I do like a number of like hosting gigs and radio shows and podcasts and things like that.
01:19:55
popculturediner
And I'm like successful in my own right. What, how, what's the, what's the chance of that happening?
01:20:00
Steve
Yeah, there's already one of those. We only get one.
01:20:02
popculturediner
Oh, shoot. Okay. We only get one.
01:20:03
Steve
That's it.
01:20:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:20:03
popculturediner
And she did it. and She did it good. Okay.
01:20:03
Steve
Now here's here's what we still have room for.
01:20:06
Steve
There is a chance too that if you find someone who will be your forever love, you're gonna have to live in a van. And that's that's just it.
01:20:12
popculturediner
Oh, yeah. With a guy that, uh, denies having a Zelda tattoo. Hmm. That's bad.
01:20:18
Steve
It has the worst mustache I have ever seen.
01:20:21
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I can do van life. I don't think van life is for me. I have way too many books, as you can see, they won't all fit in a.
01:20:26
Steve
No. Also, as someone who likes to poop in a respectable toilet, um no, I'm not living in a van.
01:20:33
popculturediner
Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's like one of the, I mean, when you're an IBS girlie, that's one of the biggest reasons to never be on a show. Like, like if someone was like, do you want to be on a reality show?
01:20:43
popculturediner
I'd be like, do I get my own toilet? And they'd go, no. And I'd go, then no.
01:20:47
Steve
Yeah.
01:20:47
popculturediner
That would be the end of the discussion. I would be like, absolutely not. There's no way in hell I'm going to do it. No. If I get my own bathroom, then you can pretty much do anything to me.
01:20:54
Steve
Yeah, if I wanna reality show
01:20:57
Steve
If I want a reality show or if I got like roped into like a Mr. Beast competition, I would immediately just get gluten. I know it. I guarantee someone would feed me wheat.
01:21:06
popculturediner
Oh, my God, the whole fucking that whole thing is a whole other thing to talk about. Have you heard about everything that's been unrolling there?
01:21:13
Steve
Oh yeah, in his show, he's just like like actually torturing people.
01:21:17
popculturediner
Wow, people.
01:21:17
Steve
He's like doing Guantanamo Bay and ah in a football stadium.
01:21:19
popculturediner
I mean, I mean, he's going to lose a lot of money. I mean, I know he's got a lot of money to lose, but he's going to lose an astronomical amount of money. The lawsuit and like he was like bribing people. So for those who don't know, Mr. Beast is like a very popular YouTuber for children.
01:21:34
popculturediner
Like, let's be honest, only children watch him.
01:21:35
Steve
Yeah. And 110% like a sociopath, like that's.
01:21:38
popculturediner
Yeah, 100 million percent, not a good person. And he was doing this competition show and I think it was like five thousand contestants or something like that. It was like the biggest one he's ever done. And then like they win.
01:21:48
popculturediner
I don't know. Was it like five million dollars or something like that for like the for like the last one standing?
01:21:50
Steve
Yeah.
01:21:53
popculturediner
Um, one of the problems is that they have people of like every age on the show, except for like all the competitions were, are for like able bodied strong people. So like a lot of the older people get picked off like immediately.
01:22:04
Steve
Yeah.
01:22:05
popculturediner
There are people who needed like medication. This is all allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, I do not need to. be sued by Mr. Beast. But I mean, he's going to be a little busy.
01:22:12
Steve
He needs the money.
01:22:13
popculturediner
So it's fine. But according to people who've been on the show, there were people who needed medication. They weren't getting access to it.
01:22:21
Steve
Oh, you're not allowed to have tampons or insulin.
01:22:21
popculturediner
Really, really dangerous conditions.
01:22:24
Steve
Okay.
01:22:24
popculturediner
It was really, really horrific stuff.
01:22:24
Steve
That's part of the Mr. V's challenge. Yeah.
01:22:28
popculturediner
And then they realized that they're screwing up. And so allegedly, people would be leaving the show. And they first offered them $1,000, just a consolation price for being there.
01:22:39
popculturediner
And they turned it down and they started upping the ante and more and more money. And people just kept saying no, because it's like, I think everybody knew, even though, again, this was bite model stuff, they had no contact with the outside world, right?
01:22:51
popculturediner
They're in this weird empty room type of a scenario. And yeah, I think people are starting to realize, oh my God, this is the worst working conditions we could ever be in.
01:23:04
popculturediner
We're going to make a lot of money from this.
01:23:05
Steve
yeah
01:23:06
popculturediner
um Yeah, I hope they sue the absolute living shit out of him and he never has a career again, because what an incredibly irresponsible, terrible person.
01:23:13
Steve
Yeah.
01:23:17
Steve
Yeah.
01:23:17
popculturediner
Anyway.
01:23:18
Steve
Although if if if a 25-year-old with dead eyes offered to feed me bread on the hour every hour for 24 hours for ah a grocery cart full of like $1,000 bills or something, I'd consider it.
01:23:31
popculturediner
Is that a real thing that he did?
01:23:33
Steve
No, but I i would i would actually could maybe die from that.
01:23:34
popculturediner
Oh, OK.
01:23:37
Steve
so
01:23:37
popculturediner
Oh, oh, true. True. Okay. Yeah. Fair.
01:23:39
Steve
but
01:23:39
popculturediner
I don't want you to die. Um, you know, if it's anybody's guess, um, I would, yeah, I mean, for me, there's only two shows that I would ever be on.
01:23:42
Steve
Will this man with a severe weed allergy have his throat closed up or will he go home a millionaire? See? That's the pitch.
01:23:55
popculturediner
And one is the mole. I've talked about that. I would a hundred percent be on the mole. I am obsessed with that show. It's like the Anderson Cooper years. I was like so obsessed with the mole and.
01:24:03
Steve
You only want to be on a show that's not on anymore.
01:24:05
popculturediner
Yeah. I want to be on, I want to specifically be on the mall that was in the year 2000. Okay. Like that's the mall I want to be on or super mic supermarket sweep. But again, the original version, the original version with the sweaters and what's his name.
01:24:15
Steve
That's more of a game show than reality. Yeah.
01:24:19
popculturediner
Oh my God. I'm forgetting his name. I just watched a bunch of supermarket sweep too.
01:24:23
popculturediner
Um,
01:24:23
Steve
Yeah.
01:24:24
Steve
Original version with the sweaters. And if you're in a gay couple, you're not gay. You're just like roommates.
01:24:28
popculturediner
You're just friend David Ruprecht. I want to be on the super Christian weird version of super.
01:24:34
Steve
Yeah. I think actual reality shows I'd be on, uh,
01:24:35
popculturediner
Because I would have killed.
01:24:39
Steve
I don't know. I always think it'd be fun to be on Below Deck, but I absolutely could not do any of the jobs on the show.
01:24:43
popculturediner
oh
01:24:45
Steve
so i would i would like They would just kick me out like immediately.
01:24:48
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:24:48
Steve
i don't I don't have any physical strength.
01:24:50
popculturediner
Hmm.
01:24:50
Steve
I can't be a deckhand. um i don't I don't think I could be a stewardess because i don't i can't I can't make a bed like that. Are you kidding me? so i
01:24:59
popculturediner
I would have to be, yeah, I would have to be the one who like explains all the food because I'm really good at memorizing stuff.
01:25:05
Steve
Yeah.
01:25:05
popculturediner
And I could definitely help with like the party themes and the tablescapes and the costumes, but I would definitely still be the personality hire.
01:25:10
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah, i'd I'd be I'd be cooked I'd be completely cooked No, I can't do laundry either I'm so bad at it
01:25:13
popculturediner
So that's like the only hope I have because I'd be like, I'd be like laundry. Absolutely. Fucking not like I'm not one of those weirdos who just like loves doing laundry. I'd be like, okay, I have to learn how to fold things.
01:25:24
popculturediner
in a really intricate way, not do the laundry, but like, you know, like those animals, like I'd be like, I gotta, and i and but ah but the problem is I would just be like Kate, but I'm not as good as Kate. So, you know, like I would do like a dick towel, but like, like I'm not Kate, so I couldn't get away with it, but she can.
01:25:40
Steve
Yeah, and and then i they got to sort the laundry too. like They actually have to like put the whites with the whites and the and the and the reds with the reds.
01:25:43
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:25:47
Steve
And I never do that.
01:25:47
popculturediner
Mm-hmm.
01:25:47
Steve
I just throw all my shit in and hope for the best.
01:25:49
popculturediner
Right.
01:25:49
Steve
It would never work for me.
01:25:50
popculturediner
When you got to like steam the captain's clothes and all that stuff.
01:25:51
Steve
So I would love to do that.
01:25:53
popculturediner
Like, yeah, that's a lot of pressure.
01:25:54
Steve
Yeah, I think mostly I just want to go to like the Mediterranean and be on a boat. I think that's the problem.
01:25:58
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:25:59
Steve
And then I...
01:25:59
popculturediner
You just have to be a guest and then people are going to be like, wow, look at that rude asshole on the boat.
01:26:04
Steve
Yeah.
01:26:05
popculturediner
You have to be like super nice and like super conscious of everything you're doing the entire time where people are just going to think you're the meanest.
01:26:06
Steve
Oh!
01:26:10
Steve
Dude, that's why that the best, the nicest guests that have ever been on ah Below Deck was when it was like, it was it was like one of the guys from Jackass and then, oh, who who was it?
01:26:14
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:26:23
popculturediner
Oh, I don't know if I saw that one.
01:26:26
Steve
It was um shit. ah
01:26:28
popculturediner
Oh, well, you're looking that up. I would say my favorite guest that I ever saw was Cynthia Bailey. I thought she like hers was like such an easy, good guest experience. That was like one of the early seasons.
01:26:39
popculturediner
You know, Cynthia from Real Housewives of Atlanta, she came on with some friends and they were like super fun and like really nice and they tipped really big.
01:26:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:26:47
popculturediner
But like she also like knows the drill like, you know, who was it?
01:26:50
Steve
Oh, I know it was it was the guy from Jackass and Roy Orbison's like grandson.
01:26:56
popculturediner
Which guy from Jackass?
01:26:58
Steve
um It wasn't even like one of the big ones. It was just like it was like a third tier Jackass guy and they were so nice but me they would hate me on the show because
01:27:00
popculturediner
Oh.
01:27:03
popculturediner
OK. Yeah. That doesn't surprise me that they were nice, though. That makes sense.
01:27:08
Steve
i will I would come on and and they'd be like, oh, ah a podcaster with a gluten allergy. This guy is going to be a handful. Like they would not want to deal with my shit.
01:27:17
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:27:18
Steve
ah So I would do that. Or it would go on traders just because I love Alan Cummings accents slash outfits. And I just want to be a part of that.
01:27:24
popculturediner
We need to do that too. We need to do traders, because I need to watch it. OK, we need to do traders.
01:27:28
Steve
Yeah, it's really good.
01:27:29
popculturediner
We need to do Unreal. We need to do, I have to do, I'm not here to make friends. um Listen, well, if I'm sick, if I get sick, I'll have a lot of time on my hands. So I'll watch some of this stuff and and report back.
01:27:40
popculturediner
But hopefully, you'll see us in a couple of weeks. And I'll be like, I'm right as rain. Everything is fine. And school's doing great.
01:27:46
Steve
Everything's great. We love Joan.
01:27:48
popculturediner
And we already cried once for Joe.
01:27:51
Steve
Yeah, it's going to be good. We're going to watch golden bachelor.
01:27:54
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:27:54
Steve
I'm going to speculate on how many of the old guys are Republicans.
01:27:59
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:27:59
Steve
Spoiler alert. I bet they all are.
01:28:00
popculturediner
I mean, that's how this whole show is. It's just like, you know, like I think about that all the time.
01:28:03
Steve
Yeah.
01:28:05
popculturediner
I'm like, I just know for a fact that the vast majority of the people in the show, I would never want to hang out with in real life. And so it's better that they're just on my TV and then we're just talking about them like this.
01:28:12
Steve
No, never.
01:28:14
popculturediner
but um But that being said, everybody, ah listen, we just had Labor Day. ah If you wear white, you're in trouble. So stop it.
01:28:22
Steve
Big trouble.
01:28:23
popculturediner
Stop it. If you're going back to school, be safe. OK, there's a lot of stuff going around, obviously. So be safe and be responsible and take care of yourself because you're not good to anyone, especially your schoolwork, if you're not healthy.
01:28:39
Steve
Yeah, don't do needle drugs. but shit's that's like That's like the unhealthiest thing you can do.
01:28:42
popculturediner
Unless it's unless it's a booster shot,
01:28:45
Steve
Yeah, or insulin.
01:28:45
popculturediner
You will boost your shots or insulin.
01:28:47
Steve
mr Don't let Mr. Beast take that away from you.
01:28:50
popculturediner
yeah Stay healthy, everyone.
01:28:58
Steve
If I was like a 2003 like metalcore band I'd write a song called Mr. Beast took my insulin
01:29:05
popculturediner
I like it.