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Rose Plate Special: Golden Bachelore Joan - Week 1
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It's chaotic in our worlds, but thank goodness we have Joan to keep our stuff together. It was a pretty great start to the season. Lots of promising men, perhaps soem foreshadowing of bonding events to come, and there are some people we just want to hear from more! Will we get the chance? Will they give us Pablo in Golden Paradise? One can dream!
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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popculturediner
Hello.
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Steve
Oh, hello.
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popculturediner
I'm Sammy.
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Steve
And I'm Steve.
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popculturediner
And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic girl dating ist bags playing ist uniform wearing ist recap podcast of the Golden Bachelorette ever.
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Steve
Ever.
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popculturediner
And How exciting. what a What a monumental occasion. We have our first Golden Bachelorette.
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Steve
Mm hmm.
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popculturediner
I i just feel so honored to be witnessing this moment.
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Steve
I just want to say too, the the the hyperbole of us every single episode, much like the Bachelor franchise saying this is the most whatever ever.
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popculturediner
and her
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
ah In this instance, we are actually 100% correct because there's never been a Golden Bachelorette.
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popculturediner
Yeah, this is the this is the most whatever ever. So that's very exciting.
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Steve
Yeah.
Personal Updates and Bachelor Nation News
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popculturediner
um Yeah, I just I full disclosure am exhausted. But and I feel like we just both are in our own little bubbles of chaos right now.
00:01:24
Steve
Yeah, just, just dying over here. We're both like super busy and, uh, Sammy's just like, okay, almost ready. Like, good. Just waiting on the results of my COVID test.
00:01:32
popculturediner
And I'm like, I'm just fighting with a typewriter.
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Steve
i
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popculturediner
And like, so if if I, like, I tried to wash it off the best I could, but I still have like purple on my fingers. So if you see me waving around and you're like, Sammy has circulation issues.
00:01:45
popculturediner
Yes, probably, but also this time it's because of a typewriter. So, um, yeah. So I'm.
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Steve
Wrestling with a typewriter, smoking cigarettes, trying to meet that deadline.
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popculturediner
Yeah, my deadline is tomorrow and I was like, oh my God, ah it's not reversing. There's something I'm not putting it in. And it's like every time now that I put the ink ribbon into the typewriter, it gets worse somehow. I'm like doing it more wrong.
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popculturediner
So that's interesting.
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Steve
ah I got nothing.
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popculturediner
And I have to mail these to someone to get it to the event on time. Cause I'm not going to be at the event on time. And I just got my booster shot on Monday and I still feel like I'm feeling it.
00:02:29
popculturediner
Like I was really run down the day after and just like sweating randomly and you know, whatever. And then yesterday I was like, Oh, I feel pretty.
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popculturediner
Okay. And then. around four o'clock, I was like, I am not okay. And today it was like, I was okay for longer. And then, and then it started hitting me. So I'm like, okay, by tomorrow, I'll probably be kind of back to normal.
00:02:50
popculturediner
But I was like, well, that means it's working, right?
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Steve
Yeah,
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popculturediner
That's what they say. So, so you know, ah get
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Steve
yeah yeah. We're bringing all the high energy to the Golden Bachelorettes!
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popculturediner
Get boosted, everybody. Get boosted. um i you know I think there's just like so much exciting Bachelor Nation news that we have to address before we go into the episode.
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popculturediner
And um and again, I was fully planning on reading more and then
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Steve
Sure.
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popculturediner
Tuck got COVID.
Controversy in the Bachelor Franchise
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popculturediner
I ran away.
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Steve
Mmm.
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popculturediner
I successfully did not get it. Um, go me and then started school. So I've been a little busy, but not busy enough to not keep up with all of the wild stuff that's going on.
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popculturediner
Have you been following what's been happening with Devin at all?
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Steve
uh no only what you send me because this is part of my like ongoing like unless the bachelor non-show stuff slaps me in the face i just don't engage with it you know i try to try to come to the show as pure as humanly possible uh but you were like steve check this shit out and you sent me a tiktok which is like
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
Devin got a restraining order taken out against him by an ex-girlfriend and then he like showed up in her driveway and he lit the restraining order on fire, which is like a really toxic version of John Cusack and say anything.
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
It's not good. Not a good look.
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popculturediner
Yeah, it's not a good look. um Yeah, so yeah, it's pretty bad. So Reality Steve actually did like an exclusive and somehow had more access to more reports or whatever. I think he like filled out a request to get it or whatever, but it is publicly available. The stuff he had was publicly available.
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popculturediner
There are certain things that were sealed, but he was very clear at saying like, cause it was like the incident itself was sealed, but the fact that a restraining order was taken out against him was very publicly available and could have happened in any background check that you should do on a contestant before they get on a show.
00:04:38
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah.
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Steve
You think you do like that's just like regular shit, right? Like if if I got a new job and they go, OK, like last thing, just got to do the quick background check to make sure you're not a wanted serial killer.
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
Like that's just normal stuff. So this is interesting because. Part of our discussion at and for the finale of of the last season of of The Bachelorette was, you know, obviously production knows some stuff, but how much do they know? How much do they don't know? How much do they know that, like, Devin was in it? How much do they know that he was, like, kind of checked out at the end? Whatever. But then it's like,
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Steve
how can production not know this? Like you you're telling me what they don't run background checks?
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
Because I'm pretty sure they have to. I would imagine for at least insurance purposes. So they knew and they were like, eh, why not?
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popculturediner
I mean, let's put it this way. If someone even gives me like a little bit of a funny feeling, I'm sea capping them. That's just that's just happening. okay
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Steve
Yeah, yeah.
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popculturediner
yeah i know i know so and Listen, I'm not gonna hold someone's record against them, but I am gonna keep it in mind.
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Steve
Sure.
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popculturediner
i'm gonna I'm gonna keep it back there and I'm gonna say, okay, this is something that I know. And I'm going to evaluate based on this knowledge, like why did this person get hired at our company after they were accused of stealing from two previous employers?
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Steve
Yeah.
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popculturediner
Maybe we should have looked at that before we said, come aboard and hang out with all our expensive equipment.
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Steve
Yeah. yeah Also, it's just like kind of the it's it's really in the details, isn't it?
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popculturediner
Mm hmm.
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Steve
Because a restraining order is one thing, but then like the part where it is documented in a police report that he stood in the driveway and like lit it on fire, like that's a whole other level.
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popculturediner
That's scary.
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Steve
Also, and and this is probably on a state by state basis, so I'm not going to speak in complete blanket terms, but
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popculturediner
Yeah.
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Steve
in the state of Wisconsin I know for a fact it is actually kind of hard to get a restraining order against someone even if they exhibit what a regular person would be like oh that's like really dangerous fucked up behavior like this person should probably stay away from this other person it's not easy especially if there's no
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popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
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Steve
like criminal charges or not at least a ah record of, you know, complaints against the person. Good luck getting one.
00:07:08
Steve
So the fact that she was able to get one speaks to probably a much longer, more robust a body of of bad behavior on Devin's part.
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popculturediner
Yeah.
00:07:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:07:21
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, I had to get one against somebody in another state because I had a stalker.
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Steve
Mm hmm.
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popculturediner
And i ah I was that was a really long time ago. I can't remember all the details, but I know that I produced a lot of evidence. it was There was a lot of like online, ah very clearly one way communication happening.
00:07:43
popculturediner
Um, and the only thing I said was like, stop, don't, don't message me again.
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Steve
Yeah.
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popculturediner
Don't talk to me again. I don't want to hear from you again. Um, and that was enough for me to get it. I mean, that's what I
Golden Bachelorette Contestants Overview
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popculturediner
remember. That was enough for me to get a restraining order.
00:08:00
popculturediner
Cause it was like, you said, stop, this person didn't stop. And they sent things that were kind of scary, like accusing me of like, being a drug addict and like all kinds of weird stuff like going from being like, you're the most amazing person in the world to like, you know, I don't remember if they were like, I hope you die.
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Steve
Hmm.
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popculturediner
But it was like, you know, you're a drug addict and you're a terrible person.
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Steve
Yum.
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popculturediner
And just like anything to try to get like a response for me, it was extremely terrible. I mean, it's still scary to this day to like talk about it um because I feared for my life. And and then this person tried to appeal it.
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popculturediner
and reverse the restraining order.
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Steve
Oh.
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popculturediner
And so I had to go defend myself in court in front of the person I was trying to very much stay away from, which is so that makes it even more difficult.
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Steve
stay away from. Yeah.
00:08:50
popculturediner
I don't know how it is in Wisconsin or if things have changed in the state where this happened. Um, but I was like, Oh my God, like this is so scary. And then basically I think, I don't know, but I think the lawyer's strategy was like, well, if she openly says her address in court, then we'll make an argument that she obviously doesn't feel that unsafe because she feels safe.
00:09:13
popculturediner
So she kept asking me what my address is. And I said, why do you need to know that? And she's like,
00:09:18
Steve
But so weird.
00:09:19
popculturediner
She's like, it's just like a standard thing. I just need to know your address, they said. And I looked at the judge and I said, do I have to answer that? And he's like, no.
00:09:30
popculturediner
And he's like, why does she have to answer that? And she's like, I just I would just think it would be good to know. And he and he's like, she's not comfortable answering that. and And then it was kind of like, that's the case, you know, like it was just like,
00:09:41
Steve
What a little creep.
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popculturediner
if she If she feels that uncomfortable um you know answering this question, I think that's you know that's proof enough for us. like She's visibly uncomfortable, and she came back to try to keep it going.
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Steve
Yeah.
00:09:59
popculturediner
That's that's enough. but so So basically, what I'm trying to say is to Devin, from the bottom of like the depths of my soul, fuck you. you're not a good person.
00:10:08
Steve
Yeah, that's fair. No.
00:10:10
popculturediner
Like, I'm sorry, you're not a good person. And people can get into disputes and maybe in certain states, it's easier to get something like a protective order and a restraining order are also two different things as far as I understand.
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Steve
Mm hmm.
00:10:25
popculturediner
um You know, cause one is more like temporary than the other, but they use the word restraining order. And if you're going to take something that someone used to make themselves feel safe and set it on fire there in the driveway, that's, that's so fucked up.
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Steve
Yeah.
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Steve
Yeah. So which one's easier to burn in someone's driveway? That's.
00:10:43
popculturediner
Anyway, sorry, not to like, not i we should be doing a trauma candy salad right now.
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Steve
Oh.
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popculturediner
ah I brought the bowl and ah the restraining order. um But yeah, it's just like, ah it was so, yeah, that was such a weird and terrifying situation.
00:11:01
popculturediner
I'm like, and a lot of people are concur that Jen probably very much dodged a bullet.
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Steve
Oh yeah, totally.
00:11:08
popculturediner
So so that's good. and now She's in LA and she's doing Dancing with the Stars and Jonathan was in the audience and maybe they're toying with our emotions, but it's okay.
00:11:20
Steve
I hope so.
00:11:21
popculturediner
I'm here for it. um Also, Jonathan and Justin Glaser did a video together.
00:11:22
Steve
Yeah, that's fine.
00:11:26
popculturediner
They've been hanging out, which is cute, which is very cute.
00:11:28
Steve
Hmm.
00:11:30
popculturediner
And everyone's like, the duo that I needed and didn't know I needed. And I'm like, I'm such a fan of both of them.
00:11:35
Steve
Oh my God.
00:11:37
popculturediner
Like, this is really good. So that's like the biggest news that I know of. And Justin's still hanging out with Susie, so there's still an item, which honestly, like, makes so much sense.
00:11:50
popculturediner
I am totally in support of it. um And then the only other big Bachelor Nation news is that I am waiting to find out I missed the boat twice today, but maybe in two hours I will be an official Jilly Box subscriber.
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Steve
Oh no.
00:12:07
Steve
Whoa, like you're just in no more drops for you.
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popculturediner
which means I don't have to wait anymore. I don't have to wait around anywhere. I just when you can still you can still opt out.
00:12:13
Steve
Just jilly forever.
00:12:16
popculturediner
But like, why would I like be really honest about it?
00:12:17
Steve
No, like you're ever gonna opt out of the jilly box.
00:12:21
popculturediner
I'm not opting out. So, um yeah, the first window I missed and then like by 20 minutes and then the second window, I also missed by 20 minutes because I had to like, I don't know, be on calls.
00:12:35
popculturediner
So annoying. What the hell?
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Steve
Don't like that.
00:12:38
popculturediner
So anyways, but.
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Steve
I gotta to really, I gotta to start pulling my weight around here. Like if, if, if one of the dude bachelors, if he he comes out with like a, it's the, it's the guy box, it's the Juan Pablo box or something that, ah ah Oh my gosh.
00:12:50
popculturediner
You God, that would be the worst person to make a box ever. Oh.
00:12:55
Steve
What would be in the Juan Pablo box?
00:12:58
popculturediner
Oh, I don't know. Just like a really terrible body spray. And then he would he would make a pillow that says, like, it's OK or whatever.
00:13:02
Steve
Yes.
00:13:06
popculturediner
And then like.
00:13:07
Steve
No, it's a magic eight ball and you shake it.
00:13:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:13:09
Steve
And then every single response just says, it's okay.
00:13:12
popculturediner
ah It's OK. And you're like, what the hell's that mean? Oh, I hate him so much. um But anyway, yeah, so that's really exciting.
00:13:22
popculturediner
I'm really hoping that that happens. But oh, my gosh, I do really enjoy the Golden Bachelorette already because it's like, oh, time to cry. Time to cry.
00:13:33
popculturediner
Like, it's such a different tone.
00:13:33
Steve
Oh my gosh.
00:13:36
popculturediner
It's so fun.
00:13:36
Steve
It's so emotional. We got another, this is the problem with the Golden Bachelorette is it really they're really tugging at my my little Grinch heartstrings.
00:13:44
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:13:44
Steve
um But, you know, much like Gary, we got ah we got a sob story dead spouse and she's just like, oh, you know, I loved him more than anything and he'll always have a place in my heart.
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Steve
But luckily I have a big heart. I was just like, Joan, I love you.
00:14:00
popculturediner
I know she's so sweet like Joan is a gem for real.
00:14:03
Steve
I know. Also, I like to think that I personally just manifested this because when we were watching the Golden Bachelor, I was like, Golden Bachelorette has to be real.
00:14:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:14:13
Steve
Joan has to be the Golden Bachelorette. She's clearly the best. And then it happened. So just saying, it was wonderful.
00:14:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:14:19
Steve
And they hit us with the Phil Collins?
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Steve
How much of the budget for this show? they're go That's like a whole trip gone from this season because they had to pay for the Phil Collins.
00:14:22
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:14:28
popculturediner
Yeah, maybe that that definitely could be. Although I feel like a lot of the stock music that they use in the rest of the episode is either the like retooling of bachelor stuff or they like they're going into like archive dot Oregon pulling like the free free 50s sounding stuff from like the one guy that's made 300 tracks of like, what are you feeling?
00:14:47
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:14:52
popculturediner
And then just appears everywhere. So um like that, you know, it was like a lot of. du dan dan dan dan dan parent aren't there you know And you're like, OK.
00:15:00
Steve
Oh, totally. This is this is freemusic dot.org. This is the the Kevin McLeod special.
00:15:04
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:15:06
Steve
That's the guy that makes like all of the like, write spring music and they're all called like, sad song or fun upbeat folksy jam.
00:15:06
popculturediner
Eight notes or whatever, yeah.
00:15:14
popculturediner
Yeah, exactly.
00:15:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:15
popculturediner
Like it's very much that music. So I think they saved some money there because it wasn't even like, you know, the people who pay for studio sessions and then make it onto like an episode of Laguna Beach or whatever.
00:15:20
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:26
popculturediner
It's like a little different from that. So, you know, we're like all the love is blind stuff where it's like, I'm saying in about the emotions that you see on screen.
00:15:28
Steve
yeah
00:15:34
Steve
Yeah. yeah
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popculturediner
And you're like, ah Yeah, okay. It's like super on the nose.
00:15:38
Steve
Yes.
00:15:41
popculturediner
Um, anyway, so yeah, what a punch in the gut. Oh my gosh. And when she was like, I checked in with him at 1am and he was okay. And then I like went home and then I came back at 3am and he was gone.
00:15:53
popculturediner
I was like, Oh, Joan.
00:15:55
Steve
Oh yeah, so.
00:15:56
popculturediner
Oh, Joan, that's so sad. And then she's like, when I see Hawks, that's how I know he's there. And then they were at like the cemetery and she's like, did you see those Hawks? And I was like, oh, this is like a more endearing version of Dorinda in that balloon.
00:16:11
popculturediner
um
00:16:13
Steve
This is like, no, it was sad. I was, I was crying into my frozen pizza.
00:16:15
popculturediner
Richard, it's Richard.
00:16:19
popculturediner
Yeah, it was really sweet. um Yeah. And then she's like, I went from having all these plans to feeling invisible, you know, and um and then she's like, but listen, I'm a mother and grandmother first, but there is something missing in my life.
00:16:32
popculturediner
And then we find out that Joan's mom is still alive. Good for Joan's mom.
00:16:35
Steve
Yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm.
00:16:37
popculturediner
ah Yeah. And then and then we see like the montage of the men. And I love that they had like the putting in of the hearing aids and like it was like really cute and
00:16:46
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:16:46
popculturediner
And it's like, OK, first. All right. So I think they started off strong with the men coming out of the li limo. I like Pascal. I'm a fan.
00:16:55
Steve
Oh, I love Pascal.
00:16:56
popculturediner
i'm I'm into it. He's like good. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:59
popculturediner
I was like, oh, this guy is cool. And he's like, she's elegant. She presents herself well. And and I can totally. Yeah, that's but I don't know if Jones going to go for that.
00:17:11
popculturediner
I think she is going to go for like the teddy bears, but we'll talk about that.
00:17:14
Steve
Oh, yeah, I think Pascal is gonna stick around for a while just because he's got the great accent and he just seems fun and I personally like him.
00:17:15
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:18
popculturediner
yeah
00:17:21
Steve
So hopefully Joan does too, at least a little bit.
00:17:22
popculturediner
her
00:17:24
Steve
um Also, And I love this about him and I think I'm gonna love this about all the guys. When we say on the show sometimes, like you'll have someone on and they'll be complaining about something or they'll do something stupid.
00:17:36
Steve
And you're like, the show's been on for 20 years. Do you not even watch the show?
00:17:40
popculturediner
Right.
00:17:40
Steve
This is a scenario where the answer is unequivocally, yes, I guarantee none of these men have ever watched the show.
00:17:49
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:49
Steve
They don't know what's going on. And even towards the end when um you know, just jump forward it a little bit, but without giving too much away here. But when they're talking about the first impression rose and Pascal is like, what is the first impression rose?
00:18:02
Steve
And then and they're like, oh, it's just like, it's what it is. it's I think it's just like whoever gives the first best, you know, first impression, that's the best. And he's like, I would have thought I was trying to be subtle.
00:18:14
Steve
and It's like, I love you, Pascal.
00:18:16
popculturediner
Okay.
00:18:18
Steve
You're so French.
00:18:18
popculturediner
OK, that's so good. No. OK. And you you kind of made me remember something I wanted to bring up. I think I have a note about it later in my notes. But um I there I'm assuming and also we can kind of tell because of the footage there are Keith isn't the only girl dad.
00:18:38
popculturediner
There's a lot of.
00:18:38
Steve
Oh my God.
00:18:39
popculturediner
girl dads on the show, specifically because a lot of daughters put their dad's names in for the show.
00:18:48
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:18:49
popculturediner
So we have all of these like, non toxic men who aren't afraid to like cry in front of each other and hug each other. And they're like, my daughters are the most important people in the world to me.
00:19:03
popculturediner
And they're on this show. And it's such a delight because I feel like we saw way more daughters than sons like on on the clips and stuff.
00:19:10
Steve
Mm.
00:19:12
popculturediner
So I think we're set up for success because girl dads are just the best.
00:19:12
Steve
Oh, absolutely.
00:19:19
popculturediner
So, yeah.
00:19:19
Steve
i I hope so, because I mean, my immediate concern is, you know, this is a cast of gentlemen, it largely white men over the age of 60, many of which have titles like Financial Advisor, Retired Banking CEO, and all and all my, or, you know, it's like, I'm from Alabama!
00:19:32
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:19:37
popculturediner
Retired CEO, yeah, yeah.
00:19:43
Steve
And I'm just like, oh no, my my Republican alarms are going off.
00:19:47
popculturediner
Wow.
00:19:49
Steve
And so, that's that's the game that I'm playing. I'm just like, which one of these guys that I like are gonna have really terrible terrible conservative values that I don't agree with?
00:20:01
Steve
And they hate immigrants and they hate LGBTQ people. Like, that's just gonna happen.
00:20:08
popculturediner
Well, that's yeah, that's why you got to like, you know, you got to like pin your hopes and dreams on like the dad who's got like the queer daughter and, you know, partner and stuff.
00:20:08
Steve
and
00:20:18
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:19
popculturediner
And it's like, yeah.
00:20:19
Steve
Oh, the guy's a chiropractor and yeah, his daughter is just like, Oh, I love her. She's great. Yeah.
00:20:24
popculturediner
Well, I don't know if I like the chiropractor. I'm just going to say that.
00:20:27
Steve
I just like his daughter though. That's, she seems cool.
00:20:29
popculturediner
No, yeah, she seems she seems cool, but that other that other guy.
00:20:29
Steve
I'm like, I'm not with you.
00:20:33
popculturediner
Oh, gosh, I have it way, way down in the notes. We'll get to it.
00:20:36
Steve
I mean, there's an insurance executive named chalk.
00:20:36
popculturediner
But yeah.
00:20:39
Steve
I'm very concerned about chalk. Name a good chalk.
00:20:41
popculturediner
Yeah, you don't you don't like his chocolate noodle soup. that's not You're not a fan of that.
00:20:45
Steve
No, no, if a guy is just like, hi, I'm an old white guy from Wichita, Kansas. My name is Chalk. I sell insurance. Would you like to slurp my soup? I would fucking run.
00:20:55
popculturediner
You'd say no, you'd say no. um Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if that goes anywhere. But OK, let's just let's just go down.
00:21:03
Steve
Sorry, let's just get into it, yeah.
00:21:03
popculturediner
So we've so we've got. OK, so we've got Kim, who is a retired Navy captain from Seattle. And what I am hoping and praying is that he gives us a little bit of Captain Lee, but I'm worried that he's not going to give us Captain Lee.
00:21:16
Steve
Oh, I was just calling him Captain Lee the entire time. I don't know what his name is.
00:21:19
popculturediner
I was like, I was like, I hope he goes, God damn it.
00:21:19
Steve
ah Yeah.
00:21:24
popculturediner
That's just all I get. And then he would win me over if he if he swears like caption Lee or uses like weird, you know, sayings, you know, like that you've just never heard anyone say before.
00:21:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:21:35
popculturediner
Then I'm like, I'm on board. I mean, I'm in for it. um But yeah, so he he was married, got divorced. Then he married a woman named Mary and they were together for eight and a half years and she passed away.
00:21:47
popculturediner
And so he's like, well, I got to open myself up to love again.
00:21:48
Steve
Yeah.
00:21:51
popculturediner
And And he, and he calls Joan a wonderful gal.
00:21:56
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:21:56
popculturediner
And then my favorite part is that when he says hi to her, he says bye-bye like he's going to see her in a week, which is like really funny.
00:22:02
Steve
Yeah. This is another fun thing with these guys is like a lot of them I'm like, oh, you haven't like interacted with a woman in a non platonic manner in like a decade.
00:22:13
Steve
I don't know.
00:22:14
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:22:14
Steve
Like they're just so weird.
00:22:16
popculturediner
So they're like, pleasure doing business with you. And you're like, what?
00:22:18
Steve
Yeah.
00:22:20
popculturediner
And they're like, have your people call my people. And you're like, I don't really know what that is.
00:22:22
Steve
I'll send you an invoice. Yeah.
00:22:23
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:22:23
Steve
It's so weird.
00:22:24
popculturediner
And you're like, uh, um, yeah, so we'll circle back to this later. Um, so yeah, so then we get to chalk and my question was, is the soup, what temperature is the soup?
00:22:36
Steve
ah It's got to be cold at this point. What do they got? Like a, like a little camping, like flame warmer thing underneath? No, no.
00:22:43
popculturediner
Yeah, I just like don't. Yeah, I just don't know about that. I'm just like totally not sure about it. um So that was that was the thing that concerned me about chalk is I was and I was like, Joan, is it really amazing and delicious?
00:22:57
popculturediner
It's probably cold. Can you just be honest? Come on.
00:23:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:01
popculturediner
Um, and then we get, and then we get to the guy who's probably got the deepest lore and I want to know every single thing about him.
00:23:02
Steve
Choc-a-doodle-soap. Yeah,
00:23:09
popculturediner
And I tried to find out some things about him and what I found just briefly on the internet was like amazing. But because these are all men in like their sixties, it's like hard to find information.
00:23:18
Steve
yeah they they like don't exist, basically.
00:23:19
popculturediner
Yeah, but Jonathan does have a LinkedIn um and he's a shipping consultant from Iowa. And he definitely, I don't know if he modeled or if he just kind of like dabbled in modeling type photos, um but he definitely like did his own photography. And then he did photography for like a musician, like a young musician in Iowa or Nebraska. I can't remember where. And it's one of like three people he's following on Twitter.
00:23:43
popculturediner
And he's only posted like three or four times about like his photography. And then like he retweeted someone saying, Oh my God, you got Twitter. which is just kind of delightful.
00:23:54
popculturediner
um But he did work for like like some pretty big companies and stuff. And then as far as I know, I'm not this is like a Google of a Google of a Google will know.
00:24:01
Steve
Hmm.
00:24:04
popculturediner
I mean, who's who knows?
00:24:05
Steve
Hmm.
00:24:06
popculturediner
But I sent this to Steve ah yesterday. I think he was part of a Supreme Court case in Iowa. um Yeah.
00:24:12
Steve
This is yeah, we haven't fully confirmed this, but it seems likely.
00:24:16
popculturediner
But like it' it's his same name. It's in Iowa. It would be really coincidental if it wasn't um because.
00:24:21
Steve
Yeah, and it's crazy. Like you read it, you're like, what?
00:24:23
popculturediner
Yeah. Basically, he was like the victim of a hate crime and um but the person against him was like, well, if it was him, someone or someone with his exact same first and last name.
00:24:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:36
popculturediner
um in Iowa. um And, and the person was like arguing that it was their First Amendment right to like be racist and the Supreme Court to their credit was like, no.
00:24:48
popculturediner
So, but anyway.
00:24:48
Steve
Yeah, what it's like, you can yell the racist things, I guess, and whatever, but like the fact that they're like, and then we beat him up, and then we did this, then we ran him off the road. It's like, you can't just do that.
00:24:57
popculturediner
They're like, you're not protected. You're not protected when you are violent. Yeah, it was really, it was really, really scary.
00:25:01
Steve
Oh my gosh, yeah.
00:25:04
Steve
The the whole thing is and is just wild. And, and this is the thing that I was just like, mind blown.
00:25:04
popculturediner
um
00:25:09
popculturediner
I was like, I don't know how in the weeds we're going to get with this, but I was like, this is so weird.
00:25:13
Steve
i just I just want to cover up on this thing too, because there are numerous parts in this story, where like the because they they lay it all out in this Supreme Court document, where they're like, oh.
00:25:25
Steve
And then they ask that you they're basically interviewing them both. And it could have easily been a he said, he said thing, and it probably wouldn't have gone anywhere.
00:25:29
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:25:34
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:25:34
Steve
But the guy that was racist and horrible and assaulted him, um was so racist, he couldn't stop being racist for five minutes that the police officer who was taking his interview thing in like 1991 was just like, whoa, little two racists for me, a cop in Iowa in 1991, which tells you the level of racism we're at at that point.
00:25:57
popculturediner
Yeah, so scary. Yeah, so anyway, yes, thank you for recounting all the details because I kind of like scan through it and I was like, this is wild.
00:25:58
Steve
It's.
00:26:01
Steve
Oh,
00:26:05
popculturediner
And I knew you would read it all.
00:26:06
Steve
oh I was real into it.
00:26:08
popculturediner
I was like, I knew you would read that. But I'm like, it's got to be him. like there's just ah like it It's way too coincidental. But anyway, maybe sometime he'll talk about it.
00:26:15
Steve
Mm-hmm I hope so
00:26:17
popculturediner
I don't know. um But I was like, that's fascinating. And that's awful that that happened to him. But also, how interesting to be part of a Supreme Court ruling. I don't know. that that's that's like but he's got I mean he's got more stuff that we don't know about like he's got a rich backstory and I could just tell and I like am so curious about him but he also like obviously brings a lot of like enthusiasm and positivity to the show um just despite the fact that he um
00:26:49
popculturediner
you know, felt like he got blindsided in a divorce, but his children are his joy. And he's got a cute dog and he says family comes first. And I don't know, he seems really put together.
00:26:58
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:27:00
popculturediner
We'll see how far he makes it. I think I mean, all the men were like, you're the front runner. And I was like, yeah, you're probably not wrong. um And then we meet Jordan, and who was like, ah not the front runner, but he was just
00:27:11
Steve
Oh boy.
00:27:17
Steve
Though this guy is a mess.
00:27:19
Steve
You talk about like the nervous, awkward energy of some of the men on this show, and Jordan is just like all of it.
00:27:19
popculturediner
He's so awkward.
00:27:26
popculturediner
But he's got a, you know, but he's like cool dad, queer kid, like ah good, good.
00:27:30
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:27:31
popculturediner
I think he is really a good guy. I just don't think he's been for TV, but he did kind of redeem himself later. But he was ah like, I was like, oh, this is so awkward. I haven't seen this awkward of an exchange in a while.
00:27:44
popculturediner
um It was really sweet. It kind of reminded me of like early seasons of The Bachelor. So Jordan, there's always got to be one. and You were that one this time, but I think he probably will.
00:27:54
popculturediner
Yeah, recover a little bit better. um Why did I say Michael's a retired banker who forgot his own name? Did he forget his own name?
00:28:05
Steve
I don't recall that from his intro, but it's possible.
00:28:07
popculturediner
Okay, well, apparently I wrote that down.
00:28:09
Steve
All these guys were like fumbling bad. like Even like the guys who try to make cool dude entrances, you know it's like, oh, I'm riding it on a horse.
00:28:11
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:28:16
Steve
Oh no, my horse has run away and there's a production assistant chasing it down. like
00:28:21
popculturediner
That was so weird. Oh, my God. I thought that was so funny. I was like, I was like, they're just they're just letting it go.
00:28:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:29
popculturediner
Like,
Contestant Background Checks and Anecdotes
00:28:30
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:28:30
popculturediner
is no one going to do anything?
00:28:32
popculturediner
Uh, then we kind of get into like, um, the montage territory. So, oh, Gary, I like Gary.
00:28:37
Steve
No.
00:28:39
popculturediner
He seems fun. He's a retired finance executive from Palm desert and he just starts dancing and he's like, got a good goofy vibe. I don't know if he'll last that long, but like, he seems fun.
00:28:49
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:50
popculturediner
Like I think he'll be a good person to be in the house for a while.
00:28:54
Steve
Oh, for sure, for sure.
00:28:56
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:28:56
Steve
Gary, I mean, if there was like an old folks paradise, Gary would be on it, but I don't think there is.
00:29:00
popculturediner
Oh my God. Oh, don't even tease me. That would be incredible.
00:29:04
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:04
popculturediner
And they could do it in Palm Desert.
00:29:04
Steve
the the
00:29:06
popculturediner
He would be so happy.
00:29:06
Steve
They could. Oh my gosh, the olds love Palm Springs.
00:29:09
popculturediner
Um, he would be so thrilled. So anyway, uh, and then we have, um, Greg, who's a retired university VP. And he's like, I'm retired now. So I work for sand dollars.
00:29:21
popculturediner
And, uh, he reminds me of my old family doctor. So it's kind of interesting. Um, but he, it's not him.
00:29:27
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:29
popculturediner
It's a different guy. Um, and then, oh, Pablo, I want to know, wait, did Pablo go home?
00:29:35
Steve
Oh, Pablo went home.
00:29:37
popculturediner
I want to know more about Pablo. He's a retired UN n agency director. Hello. I just want to talk to Pablo.
00:29:42
Steve
Yeah, let me tell you about Pablo. I'm gonna tell you everything about him.
00:29:44
popculturediner
you Did you Google Pablo?
00:29:45
Steve
ah No, no, he's like, this is this is my experience with Pablo is I saw like glimpses of him in the beginning, obviously.
00:29:47
popculturediner
Oh.
00:29:54
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:29:55
Steve
And then at the end, when they're doing the rose ceremony, there's one point where they scan over. And I'm like, who's that guy?
00:30:03
popculturediner
And you're like, oh, Pablo.
00:30:04
Steve
No one in the history of any Bachelor Night One series premiere, whatever, season premiere, has ever gotten less screen time than Pablo.
00:30:07
popculturediner
Here we go.
00:30:14
Steve
Pablo, has he was buried completely.
00:30:17
popculturediner
Yeah, I was like, I want to know so much about Pablo and.
00:30:22
Steve
Oh, just, yeah, he's got the cool job, come on.
00:30:24
popculturediner
I know also he's from Maryland, isn't Joan from Maryland, isn't she in Maryland?
00:30:30
Steve
Maybe? I know, that sounds about right.
00:30:31
popculturediner
I'm pretty sure um I just I just looked up her LinkedIn last night because hers is still active because I was like, what?
00:30:38
Steve
ah Let me tell you about Pablo. His fun facts include he has a degree in geographical engineering.
00:30:41
popculturediner
OK. OK.
00:30:46
Steve
Cool.
00:30:46
popculturediner
So cool. Very cool.
00:30:47
Steve
Pablo has a tough time controlling himself around ice cream. You and me both, buddy.
00:30:52
popculturediner
Same.
00:30:53
Steve
ah Pablo doesn't have a travel bucket list because he wants to go everywhere.
00:30:59
popculturediner
No.
00:31:00
Steve
Yeah, he runs ultra marathons.
00:31:01
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:31:02
Steve
He likes watching rugby. He's a sucker for a rom-com. He cries. ah He's a big believer that we can learn, play, and explore new things at any age.
00:31:09
popculturediner
He just.
00:31:12
popculturediner
He just seemed like so good and I was like, I want to know.
00:31:14
Steve
No. He volunteers as an EMT. Come on.
00:31:18
popculturediner
Seriously, as soon as I saw Pablo, I was like, I need to know everything about this man. I'm so excited.
00:31:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:23
popculturediner
I can't wait to see.
00:31:23
Steve
but As soon as you saw him for five seconds.
00:31:25
popculturediner
ah Well, when he said hi, I was like, I was like, retired UN agency director.
00:31:27
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:30
popculturediner
I need to know. Yeah. So Joan, um, works, she still works, um, in Bethesda, Maryland.
00:31:37
Steve
Oh, Bethesda, okay.
00:31:38
popculturediner
Um, yeah. In alumni relations and annual giving for Landon school, which is like a private, like three through 12, third through 12th grade school.
00:31:44
Steve
Oh. isn't Isn't that where, I mean, yeah, that's ah that's where University of Maryland is, isn't it?
00:31:47
popculturediner
Um.
00:31:51
Steve
In Bethesda?
00:31:52
Steve
Go Terps? Yeah, I think so.
00:31:52
popculturediner
Could be.
00:31:53
popculturediner
Maybe. um She went to the University of Maryland. She got her bachelor's degree in computer science. Isn't that cool? In the 80s.
00:31:59
Steve
Wow.
00:32:00
popculturediner
I think that's fucking badass.
00:32:00
Steve
In the 80s, yeah, back when that was like a really good idea, but nobody knew how good of an idea it was.
00:32:04
popculturediner
Yeah, she's really cool. um Yeah, and then she she's really mostly just been I think in schools. um Well, I don't know what she did before 2015, if she would just mostly was a housewife or if she worked or what. um But her um her LinkedIn experience starts in 2015. And then, yeah, she also ah was self-employed. She did like interior design stuff, which I totally could see.
00:32:31
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:31
popculturediner
So she's, she's a woman of many talents. Okay. Um, pretty cool. So anyway, yeah. So I was like, I was like, Oh man, like this, this seems like perfect. And then he didn't make it. I'm like,
00:32:45
Steve
Now,
00:32:45
popculturediner
No, Pablo.
00:32:47
popculturediner
Justice for Pablo. Oh, my God.
00:32:50
Steve
Yeah. Sorry Pablo. Never going to see you again.
00:32:51
popculturediner
He seemed so cool. Anyway, I was like really sad. ah Yeah. And then we've got Bob, the chiropractor from Marina Del Rey. And like, listen, I'm not saying that there aren't good chiropractors.
00:33:02
popculturediner
I've just had a lot of bad educational experiences in the last few years with chiropractors. So I'm just being judgy.
00:33:07
Steve
Oh, yeah, it is. It is like one of and again, this is not to disparage all chiropractors. ah Hashtag not all chiropractors. However, ah it is like one of the quackiest professions because like you can just be like, hey, I'm a chiropractor. Like it's not like when you're a doctor and there's a very specific level of schooling that you have to take. Like there are very like like medically aligned like like sports medicine type chi chiropractors who like really study shit and really go to reputable schools.
00:33:41
Steve
And there's also straight up like quackery shit out there.
00:33:44
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:33:45
Steve
ah So you got to be careful with that.
00:33:47
popculturediner
Yeah, I used to get I mean, I used to go and I used to get like tissue therapy with like, um whatever that is, like ultrasound therapy, um which I would get from physical therapists to like, it's, you know, just supposed to help like aid in tissue repair and like, and pretty like minimal and gentle
00:33:48
Steve
Really careful.
00:33:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:05
popculturediner
interventions outside of that. But then and and I worked with someone who very much stayed in scope and like was a very nice person. So like I have nothing bad to say about him. But when I found out that like I had no idea until just recently that the origins of the profession were like a ghost told me this.
00:34:21
Steve
Mm-hmm, yeah, it's fun, it's real fun.
00:34:24
popculturediner
A ghost told me that I'm like, I need to make a deep dive video about that. I need to know more.
00:34:30
Steve
Yeah, no, like the more the more you get into it and then also it's just like, what's the number one day way to go to a doctor and just immediately die?
00:34:30
popculturediner
I'm so curious because
00:34:37
Steve
And the answer is go to the chiropractor and he gives you an adjustment and then you just drop dead because he snapped your neck, yeah.
00:34:42
popculturediner
Scary, scary, scary.
00:34:45
Steve
Very scary, but maybe this guy's fine, I don't know.
00:34:45
popculturediner
Anyway, I went to school. Maybe he's not, but I'm just saying I'm holding him at arm's length. That's all I'm saying.
00:34:51
Steve
Yeah, that's fine.
00:34:51
popculturediner
But I, you know, like I'm going to school for nutrition and I started in a program that I had no idea was mostly run by chiropractors. I thought I'd be, you know, learning from, I don't know, licensed dietitians.
00:35:03
Steve
Yeah, and one would assume.
00:35:04
popculturediner
Just by thought, apparently not. So now I learn from dietitians.
00:35:09
Steve
Well, just your back with a snack. It's nutrition.
00:35:13
popculturediner
Yeah, I'm like, OK, now, yeah, now my teachers are dieticians and food scientists anyway. um So then we meet Jack and I don't know if I love or hate Jack.
00:35:23
Steve
Mmm, he's I I love him more than anything in the entire world Here's why he's either your favorite uncle or he's the uncle who gets uninvited from Thanksgiving because he said something racist We don't know um but he's a south side sugar.
00:35:26
popculturediner
I am not sure.
00:35:29
popculturediner
OK, you.
00:35:36
popculturediner
Right. But you love him either way.
00:35:41
Steve
I mean not either way, but I'm just like I'm hoping I'm hoping it gets home.
00:35:43
popculturediner
Just asking.
00:35:45
Steve
Don't don't try it like preemptively cancel me
00:35:48
popculturediner
I'm like, oh, you also, you, so you don't care. You don't care. Oh, so be sure to be Thanksgiving dinner or just let him say some fuck shit.
00:35:52
Steve
Yeah. He's, he's invited. My thanks, Gary. yeah
00:35:56
popculturediner
Okay. Good to know. Um, yeah, no, but I think, you know, okay. Like my dad, uh, sorry, dad, well, he's not gonna listen. My mom's gonna listen though, but my dad's got like, like a South side Milwaukee accent, which is very similar to a South side Chicago accent.
00:36:14
popculturediner
So there's just something very familiar about Jack, for sure.
00:36:18
Steve
Oh, we all, if you live in the Midwest, you know this guy. Like you 100% know this guy.
00:36:21
popculturediner
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:36:23
Steve
you You might be this guy, you might be related to this guy, but you definitely know this guy. um Here's why I love him.
00:36:29
popculturediner
OK.
00:36:29
Steve
One, you get no, like there's no pretension, there's no bullshit.
00:36:33
Steve
You 100% know what you're getting with this man. Two, he knows that he is not the most handsome guy here by a long shot.
00:36:33
popculturediner
No.
00:36:41
popculturediner
Oh, yeah, he knows that.
00:36:41
Steve
Like he's like, I am at best mid, I'm probably mid low. So what does he do? He's like, and and he admits this willingly because he's also a humble man, which is good.
00:36:52
Steve
But he's like, I got two things I could cook and I could sing so I gotta do my two things. And he does his two things.
00:36:58
popculturediner
Yeah. And he's like, he's like, I think she liked my singing.
00:36:59
Steve
He literally does his two things.
00:37:01
popculturediner
I think she liked it. um So, yeah. So really, really sweet. OK, so first of all, I loved the jacket. The pink jacket. Amazing.
00:37:10
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:37:11
popculturediner
Big fan loved it. Loved it. I actually think most of the men dress very well.
00:37:15
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:37:16
popculturediner
So but I think his jacket in particular was very good. um And but I was like what but then you start panning down and I'm like what is going on with the pants socks and the shoes I didn't feel like they all went together It was like the top and the bottom did not I was like I would think black pants but he was wearing like khaki pants and then like white socks and black shoes I think and I was just like
00:37:30
Steve
No, probably not.
00:37:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:40
Steve
just Just let him live, man, you know?
00:37:42
popculturediner
He did it his way. He did it his way. Like, listen, you know, and he's thinking my way and whatever. And then, and then he's like, and then he's like, I actually think I did okay. And then he's like, she's freaking hot.
00:37:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:54
popculturediner
Which was really sweet.
00:37:54
Steve
It's just like, again, like it reminds me of growing up near Detroit, like all the like Teamster union dads that like, this is what they do.
00:38:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:38:04
Steve
This is just them, but this is the Southside Chicago caterer version of, of a Teamster dad.
00:38:06
popculturediner
yeah
00:38:08
popculturediner
Yeah, this is like, yeah. And this is like Southside Milwaukee contractor for sure. Like, yeah, it's like.
00:38:15
Steve
Yeah. I work in a factory. in kaaey
00:38:18
popculturediner
Yeah, I get I would get on calls with guys that sound like that. And then I start sounding like that. You know, it's like bad, but, you know, that's it's that or it's Oshkosh. You know, those are the ones that's what I can do. That's what I because that's what I grew up with. um But yeah, so I was like, yeah, that's really I don't know. I think he's a yeah he's like, she's freaking hot. But I'm like, I just don't know. I got to decide if I like him or not.
00:38:42
popculturediner
Um, but I will say, I think he handled it really well when Charles tried to mansplain in the kitchen.
00:38:47
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:49
popculturediner
Um, cause I was like, excuse me, Charles. Why do you assume he doesn't know what he's doing? Okay. He's like, if you need any help, he goes.
00:38:54
Steve
yeah
00:38:57
popculturediner
Like I need help. Come on.
00:38:58
Steve
but
00:39:00
popculturediner
And he's like, I think I got it. I think I got it. and wouldn He was nice about it, but I was like, come on, let's not, let's not mansplain each other in this kitchen. But I think Charles was just trying to be helpful, but I was also like, don't assume he doesn't know what he's doing.
00:39:08
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:39:13
popculturediner
Come on.
00:39:13
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:13
popculturediner
He's all about what I'm hoping for. What I'm hoping and praying for is that we get a Charles and Jack cookoff.
00:39:19
Steve
Oh, that'd be fun.
00:39:20
popculturediner
We need it. I would love to. And I think, I think this season is, um, like teeing up to be like the golden bachelor. where I think the men are all going to be friends with each other, and they're going to want to do fun things in the house together.
00:39:32
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:39:35
popculturediner
And so I am like, please let this be the start of them kind of having like a friendly rivalry. And then they like compete in the kitchen or do like a chopped thing or something like that would be really fun.
00:39:45
Steve
Yeah, and this is gonna be the real takeaway. Okay, so someone's gonna get to go home with Joan and that's wonderful, because she seems wonderful.
00:39:51
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:39:52
Steve
These men though, what they really need in their lives, they don't need love. I mean, maybe they do. They need like healthy, positive male friendships, which I don't think most boomer age men have.
00:40:01
popculturediner
her
00:40:05
Steve
So like, yeah, but get some buds.
00:40:07
popculturediner
I think we're going to have so many good bonding moments on this season. And that's my favorite thing to watch. I love watching everybody be friends and like have fun. And like, I actually like that way more than drama.
00:40:14
Steve
Oh, and then we're going to get like, we're going to get updates later or just be like, Oh, my daughter showed me how to use FaceTime. And they're just like FaceTiming each other because they love each other.
00:40:22
popculturediner
Yeah, so cute. So cute.
00:40:24
Steve
It's going to be great.
00:40:24
popculturediner
So cute. Oh my god. And I mean, that's what we got with the Golden Bachelor. Like all these women are like really good friends with each other now and like hang out and and get into little high drinks and it's so cute.
00:40:35
popculturediner
And then we get to, you know, hear about, um, how Susan has like really bad digestive issues, but you know, she's also can officiate weddings.
00:40:40
Steve
Mm hmm. Great. I love it.
00:40:44
popculturediner
So anyway, so, okay. So then, yeah, so Charles is a retired data analyst. Charles is very cute. I'm like, I'm like criticizing him, but he is very cute.
00:40:55
popculturediner
He's got two daughters and I love that he introduced himself.
00:40:57
Steve
Wait, is he the one that that like walked in? He's like, I'm fake with a cane, but now I don't need a cane.
00:41:02
popculturediner
No. no
00:41:03
Steve
Okay.
00:41:04
popculturediner
that's the other charles
00:41:05
Steve
That's the other Charles.
00:41:05
popculturediner
no
00:41:06
Steve
Okay.
00:41:06
popculturediner
yeah that's the other term i that
00:41:06
Steve
Okay.
00:41:09
popculturediner
shit pisses me off. But anyway, i Sammy's mad.
00:41:10
Steve
I know but when that was happening, I was just like, say we so mad right now.
00:41:14
popculturediner
Sammy's still mad right now. Yeah. But like, no, Charles is the one he's been married for. Like if he was married for like 30, gosh, I don't even know how long he is the one who introduced himself and said, I'm he was the one who, first of all, said, Jack, do you need any help with the kitchen?
00:41:27
popculturediner
But he also said, I'm 66, but I look 36 and he's got two daughters.
00:41:31
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:41:32
popculturediner
His wife passed away six years ago. And he said she was my first and only love. um And oh, this was a great moment because he got a package, you know, and he said, um like, I want to find a lot of happiness here.
00:41:45
popculturediner
And he's in his like basement bar and it says happy hour behind.
00:41:50
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:41:50
popculturediner
And I was like, that was like a really nice editing moment. um And then and he's like and then he made an 80s joke and he's like, Charles is not in charge. Joan, you're in charge forever.
00:42:01
popculturediner
And you need to know that he did a good job.
00:42:02
Steve
Yeah, Charles, a hundred percent a sweet man, well-meaning zero game.
00:42:08
popculturediner
No, zero game.
00:42:09
Steve
I'm guessing ah maybe, maybe, maybe not the highest on the emotional intelligence scale, but we'll see. We'll see.
00:42:16
popculturediner
Yeah, I think he's gonna be, that's why I'm saying the value I want to see him bring to this house is that he has a cook off with Jack. Cause I, please, please, I wanna see that happen.
00:42:24
Steve
Yeah.
00:42:27
popculturediner
um Then we have Guy.
00:42:27
Steve
We do want to see that.
00:42:29
popculturediner
I don't know how I feel about Guy either. I'm gonna be really honest. um He's an ER doctor from Reno. um
00:42:35
Steve
Oh no, immediate red flags.
00:42:37
popculturediner
He's giving me weird vibes, right?
00:42:39
Steve
No, the moment the moment that he like walked on the screen, I was like, he's already cheating on Joan somehow. I don't know how, but he's doing it.
00:42:45
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know what it is. It's like, I'm just like, I don't trust them.
00:42:48
Steve
i
00:42:50
popculturediner
I don't trust them. And then he's like, you smell this cologne and you know it's guy. And I was like. so I don't like him.
00:42:56
Steve
Yeah.
00:42:57
popculturediner
Okay. Great. Yeah. So then we see the other Charles and I'm just, yeah, that was such an egg. We're going to just move on. Um, then, okay. Oh, and then I just had a note. ah Apparently Jack said something cause I have in my notes.
00:43:10
popculturediner
Jack is either going to be my favorite or my least favorite. Um, then we have Ken from Boston and he says to Joan that she's wicked awesome.
00:43:19
Steve
Wicked awesome.
00:43:19
popculturediner
These are these are all kind of ah just quick montage things. Dan, the private investigator from Naples, Florida.
00:43:24
Steve
Mm
00:43:25
popculturediner
I also got the egg from him. um And then some guy, I don't know, gives her a hug.
00:43:28
Steve
-hmm.
00:43:31
popculturediner
And then and then Jack, they interviewed Jack and he's like, I don't feel any pressure at all. She likes my singing. um And then, oh, Christopher, I like Christopher.
00:43:40
Steve
Exactly.
00:43:43
popculturediner
He's a contractor from Brooklyn and he brought prune juice to get things regular by the end of the night.
00:43:48
Steve
Ew.
00:43:49
Steve
I guess better than soup.
00:43:49
popculturediner
Fine.
00:43:51
popculturediner
Honestly, I'm into it.
00:43:52
Steve
But also like in my head, I'm just like, you're going to be here until 3am. Joan knows this, right?
00:43:57
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:43:57
Steve
Like you're going to be here and maybe till the crack of dawn. I don't want the off chance that I'm going to have to take like um an emergency poop.
00:44:05
popculturediner
Well, if if it affects you that fast, there's probably worse things going on in your life.
00:44:05
Steve
Like that doesn't seem good.
00:44:10
popculturediner
You probably got some other things you got to contend with.
00:44:12
Steve
I don't know. Old people, they got they got sensitive tummy sometimes. You don't know.
00:44:15
popculturediner
Okay, well, that's true. um Then we get RJ who is a man in finance and he watches TikTok um because he's like, I'm looking for a man in finance.
00:44:18
Steve
ah
00:44:25
popculturediner
ah And he's like, I'm 65.
00:44:27
Steve
or his daughter told him to say that.
00:44:27
popculturediner
aye Yeah, probably, but it was cute. I was cute and it was current at the time they filmed this.
00:44:34
Steve
Mm-hmm, that's true.
00:44:35
popculturediner
Now it feels like ancient history. Um, but yo, and it's even in his bio, we should go through some more of these bios after this looking for a man in finance, six foot five golden Besser at cast member.
00:44:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:46
popculturediner
Well, look no further than RJ RJ is the happiest person he knows. And he's ready to share all that happiness with a special someone. He may be in his golden years, but he says us old guys are so vibrant and suitable for love.
00:44:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:59
popculturediner
When he isn't working, RJ lets play poker and golf, of course he does, and enjoys good food with good friends.
00:45:04
popculturediner
His guilty pleasures are warm chocolate chip cookies and long walks on the beach. He did the tapes. He did those tapes in the 80s. He did those dating tapes, right?
00:45:12
Steve
Hmm. Oh, for sure he had to.
00:45:14
popculturediner
um um RJ is looking for his forever single bunny and is hoping Joan is the storybook ending.
00:45:18
Steve
Ew.
00:45:19
popculturediner
He's interviewing yourself. He could find the butterflies. He's looking for it.
00:45:23
Steve
Why is Snuggle Bunny so upsetting to me? I just don't.
00:45:26
popculturediner
I don't know because we say it in our house. Sorry, we're really we're so you'll say it like that.
00:45:28
Steve
snuggle bunny bunny come here my little snuggle bunny no it's just it's very of mice and men i can't a
00:45:33
popculturediner
We also say any we say honey for me. and mean Uh, sorry. Okay. Wow. Um, we're never going to think about that the same.
00:45:47
popculturediner
Um, RG's favorite Christmas movie is diehard negative 5,000 points. Um, uh, I hate when everybody says that.
00:45:53
Steve
I don't know, because I mean, good really good really good movie, but also it's just like, what's the most like dated thing you can say? It's just like, epic bacon, favorite Christmas movies, diehard, er, like, but he but he's 60.
00:46:07
popculturediner
Yeah, it should be kiss, kiss, bang, bang. So it's just the wrong answer.
00:46:11
Steve
Just the wrong answer.
00:46:13
popculturediner
It's just the wrong answer. You're just wrong. I don't know why you wouldn't pick a Shane Black movie as your favorite Christmas movie.
00:46:20
Steve
ah Because Arnold Schwarzenegger made Jingle all the way.
00:46:21
popculturediner
That's a miss. That's your jingle. all The way is a good choice as well. It's a good choice as well. um RJ has been to 47 in the United States. Gremlins is also a really good choice for best Christmas movie or way more interesting choices.
00:46:32
Steve
It's a good one.
00:46:34
popculturediner
ah RJ loves to read spy novels because he's 66 and that's all you stock on the shelf.
00:46:41
Steve
I know, that's like saying like, oh, wait, RJ's in his sixties and he likes reading about World War II, shock of the century.
00:46:41
popculturediner
at half price books. That's all I stocked was in spy novels.
00:46:51
Steve
Why do old guys love war?
00:46:51
popculturediner
Oh, my.
00:46:52
Steve
When does that happen? Does that happen to every guy?
00:46:55
popculturediner
I don't know.
00:46:55
Steve
Like, am I going to get into an age where I'm just like, I just read the the biography of a civil war general.
00:46:55
popculturediner
You tell me.
00:47:00
Steve
Why why does that happen to men?
00:47:02
popculturediner
I don't know. So far, it hasn't happened to talk, but I'll let you know he's ahead of us. So he'll he'll be the one that he is.
00:47:07
Steve
Okay. If it starts happening, let me know so I could take precautionary measures.
00:47:09
popculturediner
and
00:47:13
popculturediner
He is really into birds. I will say okay, my favorite thing when I worked at half price books there. So first of all, I just like loved asking people about the books they read and maybe some people enjoyed that and some people didn't but I don't care if that's what you're getting for me. Okay, like when you come to my counter. I'm bored. I'm standing there. I've already done all the sorting and I'm just sitting here waiting for you to give me something to do right.
00:47:36
popculturediner
So I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited. And in the morning, it was fun too, especially on like weekday mornings, because it would be pretty dead. But that's when you'd see like all the senior citizens come in to buy stuff or like the really little kids, you know, like they're too young to go to school.
00:47:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:50
popculturediner
So they're coming in and they're getting like picture books. So it was my favorite time of the week was like, you know, early weekday mornings. and there was like this one like cute little old lady and she came up and she got her books you know she's talking to me about him and she's like she basically said like I just love books about murder and she was like so cute and she was just like she was like this one's about a serial killer you know and you're like okay yeah and you like stab someone with some knitting needles it was interesting and I was like wow this is pretty cool um
00:48:08
Steve
Ha ha ha.
00:48:19
Steve
Ray!
00:48:26
Steve
Go off, Gladys!
00:48:27
popculturediner
Anyway, so so I mean, and it was like an author I'd never heard of. So I was like, at least at at least you're keeping it interesting. Because it's like, if I see one more person, bring like, you know, James Patterson, or Tom Clancy, or like, Danielle Steele, or God, what's that other like,
00:48:45
popculturediner
There's like one romance author that I saw so much. um Anyway, there's like it's like they took up so much real estate on our shelves and we still like tried to keep at least one of each of their books, but they wrote so many books.
00:49:00
popculturediner
It's like it's like you think Stephen King doesn't take up that much space. Like, you know what I mean?
00:49:05
Steve
No, James Patterson is like, I think he's like the best selling author, like like individual author, but only because he's written like 700 books and they all get sold at Walgreens to old people.
00:49:16
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know.
00:49:16
Steve
So what are you gonna do?
00:49:18
popculturediner
He's just trying to catch up to Elrond Hubbard. I think that's what it is.
00:49:22
Steve
It's gotta be it.
00:49:23
popculturediner
Could you I mean, do you know that Elrond? I mean, I don't know if it's like 100 percent true, but like apparently he was like this huge pulp writer and he wrote like a thousand books or something like that.
00:49:29
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:49:33
Steve
I know I know he wrote a lot of books, but yeah, it's but but then it's like how many of them are actually like published and available?
00:49:34
popculturediner
He might still hold the record.
00:49:41
Steve
I don't know, as opposed to just like in a library in Provo, Utah somewhere.
00:49:42
popculturediner
Yeah. Well, yeah.
00:49:47
popculturediner
Well, I don't know. He wrote like, you know, like the penny pulps and stuff. So some of them were probably under pen names and stuff like that.
00:49:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:49:52
popculturediner
But anyway, I think that's really interesting. And I'm like, has anybody and and also I even though there's a lot that's not to be believed about, you know, a charlatan who runs like ah an alleged cult, I'm not trying to get them on our ass.
00:50:07
popculturediner
um I still, for some reason, like 100 percent believe that he was the one that wrote all those books. Like, I don't think he had a ghostwriter like some people like somebody we might have just previously mentioned maybe has a ghostwriter.
00:50:20
Steve
Haha, maybe yeah I'm Captain Lee.
00:50:23
popculturediner
Maybe I heard that somewhere anyway. So, yeah, so RJ. OK, so then, oh, Kim, OK, we got to look at Kim's bio because, yeah, he's like, I'm really impressed with my brethren.
00:50:35
popculturediner
um
00:50:36
Steve
I did army for a long time sailboat Navy, whatever.
00:50:39
popculturediner
Well, he did Navy Navy Army, but he looks like Captain Lee.
00:50:41
Steve
Yeah
00:50:43
popculturediner
It's so interesting. um And he's from Seattle. um So let's see. He enjoys spending time on a sailboat. No shit. And dreams of taking Joan for a romantic ride as the sun goes down.
00:50:55
popculturediner
He's a man of integrity who says he loves making the most of life at any age. He's sincere and generous. He's a proud father and grandfather. He's ready for love and hopes to make his future partner feel special.
00:51:06
popculturediner
His ideal date night includes cooking dinner together. and enjoying it in the backyard. One more contender for the cook off. Kim loves an old fashioned, wait, oh, and hopes to toast to him.
00:51:12
Steve
o
00:51:16
popculturediner
and Isn't when it's a drink, isn't there no hyphen?
00:51:22
Steve
Hmm Not sure I don't think so I I don't do you want me to grab my APL style in my AP style guide right now do I?
00:51:23
popculturediner
Or is there a hyphen?
00:51:27
popculturediner
I'm like, gotta Google it.
00:51:31
popculturediner
Yes, please grab your actually, where's mine?
00:51:33
Steve
Wait ready, let's see you can get theirs first ready one two three go but ha
00:51:34
popculturediner
How what? No, you're going to you're going to get yours first. I don't know where mine is.
00:51:42
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know where mine is and I'm not getting up.
00:51:43
Steve
Suck it nerd, I grabbed mine in three seconds.
00:51:46
popculturediner
Wow, that's embarrassing.
00:51:48
Steve
Yeah, sorry. i know But i I don't know the answer.
00:51:50
popculturediner
No, that's OK. Now I'm just like, where is mine?
00:51:53
Steve
Also, mine's out of date, or almost out of date.
00:51:54
popculturediner
Yeah, mine's heinously out of date. Anyway, so old fashioned does not have a hyphen according to the Internet.
00:52:01
Steve
Okay.
00:52:01
popculturediner
So anyway, I looked at that, I was like, He loves an old-fashioned what? And then it just says, Kim loves an old-fashioned in hopes to toast. And I was like, oh, so no hyphen. In hopes to toast to him and joke.
00:52:11
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:12
popculturediner
It's not modifying anything.
00:52:13
Steve
I, I'm reading his bio at the exact same time and I had the exact same trip up.
00:52:16
Steve
I think it's because of the spacing on it too. I was, cause it's like, loves an old fashioned. And then it was like, it was like a line break on the, where I'm reading it from.
00:52:17
popculturediner
Annoying.
00:52:22
popculturediner
Oh, not for me. um
00:52:24
Steve
And I was like an old fashioned, an old fashioned and this is like, this is too old.
00:52:26
popculturediner
You know, fashion, what? um Sounds like you come. He's an excellent whistler. That also makes sense. His favorite food as a child was clam cakes.
00:52:37
Steve
Like.
00:52:38
popculturediner
He would love to learn how to play the piano.
00:52:41
Steve
This is, this is all like, like, this is just, this is the oldest old guy stuff.
00:52:41
popculturediner
Well, what's happening, Kim?
00:52:44
popculturediner
That's kind of funny shit. That's funny shit.
00:52:46
Steve
Excellent Whistler. Yes. Because all guys are all good at whistling.
00:52:49
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:52:49
Steve
Clam cakes. Cause all guys are like, my favorite food is a Shash Perilla. Boo, boo, boo. And you're like, that's not real. And then you Google it.
00:52:56
popculturediner
Clam cakes.
00:52:56
Steve
It's just like a popular regional food in 1927. Yeah. Clam cakes, bro. No one's ever had that.
00:53:02
popculturediner
Clam cakes like he could say crab cakes and everyone would be like, sounds great.
00:53:03
Steve
Yeah. You made that up. No.
00:53:07
popculturediner
And he's like, you know what?
00:53:07
Steve
Love that.
00:53:08
popculturediner
I love clam cakes. yeah
00:53:10
Steve
Also odd that it's like it has the, like it was when he was a child, like not.
00:53:16
popculturediner
Maybe they taste great and we're just absolute haters. Oh, actually, they look pretty good.
00:53:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:23
popculturediner
Because they're like, they're like, they're like ah dumplings.
00:53:23
Steve
i
00:53:27
popculturediner
Kinda. They're like, ah it's yeah, they said think like a clam beignet or a donut hole. Only savory, crispy golden brown on the outside. They're like fritters.
00:53:37
Steve
Interesting.
00:53:37
popculturediner
Like, that's good. But why are they called clam cakes? That sounds so much more unappetizing than these look legitimately good.
00:53:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:53:47
popculturediner
Sorry, everyone in Maine.
00:53:48
Steve
i Yeah, sorry we were talking shit. i it's anyway I'm gonna be in Maine in like a month, so I'll i'll eat some clam cakes and let you know how it goes.
00:53:52
popculturediner
OK, anyway.
00:53:56
popculturediner
Yeah, you were really like, I got to get me some clam cakes.
00:53:58
Steve
Clam cakes, my my buddy, kim Captain Kim Lee said that it's the best.
00:54:05
popculturediner
Gil, I also like I want to see more of Gil. He's an educator. I would like to know more. I want to think that the two of them would connect on education stuff.
00:54:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:15
popculturediner
So I want to see that.
00:54:15
Steve
What do you think of Keith Gordon, who looks like acclaimed sports broadcaster, Rich Eisen?
00:54:21
popculturediner
Wait, hold on. Keith. Oh, well, we're going to get to we're going to get to Keith. I think very shortly.
00:54:26
Steve
Big Keith.
00:54:27
popculturediner
Yeah, girl, dad, Keith. Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I like Keith. I think Keith is going to go very far.
00:54:32
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:35
popculturediner
um But real quick, let's run through a couple other dudes real quick. Okay. Bill retired videographer, close talker.
00:54:42
Steve
Mm.
00:54:43
popculturediner
Oh my God. He was so close to her.
00:54:45
Steve
Yep. Yeah.
00:54:45
popculturediner
I was like, they were, they were like this. I was like, okay. Uh, and then they're like, no shortage of.
00:54:50
Steve
Which is why he's gone.
00:54:51
Steve
That's...
00:54:51
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:54:52
popculturediner
Yeah. He was just too close. Then they're like, no shortage of stallions in the stable. And then David comes out on a horse and he's a rancher, but apparently cannot keep, keep a horse in one place.
00:55:00
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:55:04
Steve
Nope.
00:55:04
popculturediner
And he was like, sure.
00:55:05
popculturediner
He was like, well, I thought maybe we would go for a ride away horse and Jones like it's gone.
00:55:08
Steve
That's why he raises cattle and not stallions.
00:55:09
popculturediner
And he was like, he was like, what? Oh, no. So yeah, that was kind of embarrassing. Then we get to Keith. um Yeah, so he's a girl dad from San Jose. He's been the sole parent for the last 12 years. He had to separate from his ex-wife and give his daughter stability because she had issues with addiction. um His daughters look very sweet. And I think he's gonna go super far. I think he's doing great. I mean, he got the first impression rose, first of all.
00:55:38
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:38
popculturediner
like
00:55:39
popculturediner
Yeah. And and he's got a good personality. Like he seems really sweet and good.
00:55:44
Steve
Oh yeah, he seems like a normal guy, like which is great.
00:55:46
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:48
Steve
and And this is good too because when when the when the gentlemen are older, it allows the the the bachelor as like a a franchise to toy with like, what if someone isn't conventionally handsome or doesn't have like rippling abs or something?
00:56:01
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:56:04
Steve
So hopefully it's like, give give us some guys who look like guys. like
00:56:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:56:09
Steve
You want to talk about like all these, yeah I think almost everyone here is a dad. like that is They're all talking about their kids.
00:56:14
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:56:14
Steve
I mean, I can't say everyone is, but you want to talk about a guy who looks like a dad?
00:56:17
popculturediner
Yeah, pretty much everyone.
00:56:20
Steve
Keith looks like a dad.
00:56:21
popculturediner
Right.
00:56:21
Steve
This is this is and this is everyone's father.
00:56:21
popculturediner
Well, yeah. he fully embraces it yeah he's like he's like i am a girl dad okay so first of all you need to know that i'm a girl dad and i embrace it um yes okay so but his bios are interesting um so he lights up every room he walks into a grade and he talks about you know and he gets a package and he's like oh i'm like pretty loud and i was like yeah he seems loud
00:56:28
Steve
Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:56:45
popculturediner
um But like in a not like I'm embarrassed to be around you kind of way, I feel like because he was like outside using his outside voice.
00:56:50
Steve
Yeah, it's naturally loud.
00:56:53
popculturediner
Let's find um he's a sales director, father of three. He's loving, smart and creative. He's also six five. um He's a social butterfly with a big personality to match. He's dedicated most of his adult life to being a single dad and raising his daughters.
00:57:07
popculturediner
But the soon to be empty nester is ready to put himself first and prioritize finding love. Makes sense why we'd come on the show now. Uh, when Keith falls for someone, he falls hard and fast and hoping, is hoping Joan could be the one for him.
00:57:18
popculturediner
Keith believes age is just a number and says younger people shouldn't be scared of growing older, getting older rocks. Uh, Keith's guilty pleasure is Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Same Keith, and says he can never have just one scoop.
00:57:30
popculturediner
He's ready to love Joan un-cone-ditionally. Uh, he's the king of cornhole or bags, as he calls it.
00:57:35
Steve
Ice cream.
00:57:38
popculturediner
His life goal is to play a round of golf at Augusta National and Keith had the best time at Stagecoach this past year.
00:57:50
Steve
He's already, he's already part of Ashlar Nation.
00:57:50
popculturediner
Oh my God. He's like, I'm there. I'm in, I'm doing it. I'm going to Stagecoach.
00:57:59
Steve
Oh my God.
00:58:01
popculturediner
So look out for Keith.
00:58:01
Steve
He's, watch out, watch out ladies.
00:58:02
popculturediner
Look out for Keith, everybody. Yeah, I think Keith is ah was such an obvious first impression rose choice. I was like, yeah, for sure.
00:58:13
popculturediner
You're going to put Keith in the running.
00:58:13
Steve
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:58:15
popculturediner
Yeah, he's super cool and normal. And yeah, he's like ah he's a dad and he's a guy. He's like a dad on a sitcom. So anyway, then we get a special, a very special memo.
00:58:29
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:30
popculturediner
Yes. And Kelsey.
00:58:31
Steve
Tell me more.
00:58:32
popculturediner
Well, Kelsey, if I was up.
00:58:32
Steve
Yeah. Well, wait, because first it's like, well, that's all the men just kidding. There's one more very special demo coming, which
00:58:38
popculturediner
And then they're like, is that a woman? And they're like, yeah, it's a woman. what you Yes.
00:58:43
Steve
In my head though, I'm like, I hope that she hates whoever steps out of the limo and then they just get cut the first night. Cause that would be super funny if they like built it up.
00:58:48
popculturediner
Yeah. Oh, you didn't know that Mark was going to be on the show.
00:58:51
Steve
Oh, I knew, I knew, but I'm saying like, cause like Joan didn't know, but if she's like, yeah.
00:58:53
popculturediner
Oh, okay. Yeah. And she's like, Oh, no, you can just, you can just return him. I'm not going to pick him for anything.
00:59:02
Steve
yeah
00:59:03
popculturediner
Um, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, listen, we, well, we see in the preview that she says, I love you, Mark. She says those words, but we don't know why. But again, they all kind of, they, these older folks kind of fly fast and loose with their love and appreciation.
00:59:17
Steve
Oh, they're throwing around willy-nilly. Yeah, they're there're and they're in like...
00:59:20
popculturediner
Yeah. So it's, so it doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily mean what it means on the bachelor. The rules are different and I am working on getting a board. Okay.
00:59:30
popculturediner
Did you measure that piece of cardboard?
00:59:33
Steve
Yes, I did. I feel like it's the problem is is like the the length it isn't the issue so much. It's that the height it's just too short. It needs more.
00:59:43
Steve
It needs more and these a little bit more.
00:59:45
popculturediner
Okay okay i'm okay i'm working on finding a like a felt board to present the heads of everyone to you, I do think it's not as critical for this, as it will be for like the bachelor but i'm going to try to get it together at some point before things advance too far in the golden bachelorette.
00:59:45
Steve
We need to go slightly bigger.
00:59:53
Steve
Yeah. who Also, the the world needs to know that apparently my ah most manly man trait, because I share this with Sammy's husband, Tuck, is she sends me this felt board. She's like, what do you think of this? And I'm like, hmm. And then I look at the measurements. I'm like, I'm going to cut out a piece of cardboard to these exact measurements and hold it up to see if I think that it, and she's like, that's what Tuck does. Like, yeah, that's, because cardboard, it like, it solves all kinds of problems.
01:00:26
popculturediner
Yeah, I said he thinks that cutting something out of cardboard will just solve every problem. And you said it solves most problems or a lot of problems.
01:00:33
Steve
It dies.
01:00:34
popculturediner
And I was like, and I actually screenshotted our conversation and I sent it to Doug.
01:00:40
Steve
Yeah. And he was like, Steve's right.
01:00:41
popculturediner
And I was like, and he was like, yeah, like why? And he just started laughing when he got to the end.
01:00:46
Steve
Yeah. This is people always talk about, you know, guys and they're like, they're Roman empire.
01:00:46
popculturediner
He was like, oh, that's so funny. But
01:00:50
Steve
For me, it's cardboard. It's just like, what do I, what am I?
01:00:52
popculturediner
Yeah, it's so funny. I think that's such like a great I i was going to bring it up if you hadn't brought it up the cardboard thing because I thought that was so funny, like that you just volunteered that.
01:01:02
popculturediner
And I'm like, that's my entire life. Like there is probably a piece of cardboard on the other side of this desk because we were auditioning a size for a new desk. I'm working on building a new desk.
01:01:13
popculturediner
And so I was trying to decide, do I want like 72 by 30 or do I want to go 72 by 39 or is that going to be too deep?
01:01:13
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:01:20
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:20
popculturediner
And so, Tuck was like, hold on, I think I got a piece of cardboard that'll work.
01:01:25
popculturediner
If not, I'll tape two together.
01:01:27
Steve
Yeah, I have some exceptionally like, yeah, I've got some exceptionally large boxes, which I have not recycled specifically because I'm like, no, this is my measuring cardboard.
01:01:28
popculturediner
And then, and then he like writes on it and...
01:01:39
popculturediner
It's so I just it never occurs to me, but that's why, you know, that's yeah, that's perfect.
01:01:40
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:01:45
popculturediner
So anyway. um Yeah, so Mark shows up on the show and um he gets a package to talk about, like, I know what perfect is and, you know, all that stuff like he's got, you know, everybody's got a sad backstory.
01:01:57
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:00
popculturediner
Yeah, so I don't know. I'm not rooting for Mark just because it's because I want to be a punk like that.
01:02:05
Steve
I think, well, first of all, I don't i don't believe in plants. I'm sorry. You cannot like try and like juice your position just because your daughter was on The Bachelor and she's with Joey and whatever.
In-depth Contestant Analysis
01:02:16
Steve
like I don't think so. ah So I'm against that. I don't like this and like this like nepotism thing that's going on. Don't believe in it. ah Second of all, when we're playing Steve's favorite game, which is who is a conservative Trump guy,
01:02:34
Steve
This is like my number one. he He has got to be. okay so let's Let's look at the bingo card, and these are indicators. He's from Leesville, Louisiana, and he's a white man who's 57 years old. so That automatically puts him in like 80% chance.
01:02:53
Steve
right like there's
01:02:54
popculturediner
He was raised in Minnesota.
01:02:54
Steve
but Okay, so that's that's that's helpful because that's that's more.
01:02:58
popculturediner
Just so you know.
01:02:59
Steve
Yeah, it's more of a purple state. So we're helpful.
01:03:01
popculturediner
Just so you know.
01:03:02
Steve
Helpful. ah Yeah, and he he does not have the accent. um Army guy.
01:03:06
popculturediner
No.
01:03:07
Steve
So that's that's skewing the results also possibly. Here's the thing, though, that really sticks out to me. ah With a lot of people not all people because I'm not all people because my parents are deeply deeply conservative, which is not fun ah But I'm not I'm the exact opposite ah because I was a very obstinate child.
01:03:28
Steve
So ah One thing I am keenly aware of though is when Kelsey was on Nick files podcast the vial files I
01:03:39
popculturediner
Hmm.
01:03:40
Steve
so like her her political affiliation came up and she shut down the conversation immediately. It was just like, I don't want to talk about that on air. And if you're saying I don't want to talk about that on air, I have a feeling that it's because you may hold some political beliefs which may not be popular with the average demographic that you would be speaking to ah in in that situation.
01:04:05
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:04:09
Steve
ah Which, you know what? That's fine, but at least own your bullshit, right?
01:04:13
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:04:14
Steve
ah You know, if if some if some conservative person jumped in our comments and was just like, Steve sounds like a communist, I'd be like, yes.
01:04:22
popculturediner
Mm
01:04:25
Steve
Yes. ah So yeah, like let just just own your shit, like whatever it happens to be.
01:04:27
popculturediner
hmm.
01:04:32
Steve
And so that's why like all all of my, oh no, toxic conservative alarms were going off. Does he seem nice? Yeah, he seems nice. But again, it's like the nepotism thing. like i'm I'm not here for it. Give me give me real men, not men that were somehow like laundering through the bachelor system.
01:04:48
Steve
Even though we've never had the golden bachelor before, you're gonna somehow find a way to launder a father through this into my beautiful show where Joan's gonna find love. I don't think so.
01:04:59
popculturediner
Wow.
01:05:00
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:05:00
popculturediner
Wow. Oh, my gosh.
01:05:03
Steve
This is like every episode has to have Steve's one soapbox moment.
01:05:03
popculturediner
um
01:05:06
Steve
And this is that moment for me.
01:05:06
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, this is my escape from every everyday life. And you're like, well, listen, let me tell you about this guy.
01:05:15
Steve
Yeah.
01:05:16
popculturediner
Um, yeah, I mean, you know, it's hard to say. Yeah. I think if you don't say something that's telling, that's telling and weird.
01:05:25
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:05:27
popculturediner
And when you just reminded me of when I started working somewhere, I won't disclose what, uh, in the person that was about to hire me, it was like, well, as long as you're not like a socialist or anything.
01:05:38
popculturediner
And I was like, this is a really funny, so
01:05:40
Steve
but Wouldn't you know, there's one person in this room who's a card-carrying member of the DSA, who is it?
01:05:47
popculturediner
I was like, I was like, this is really funny that you say that. It's really hilarious. um Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why would I care about something like that?
01:05:56
Steve
why i yeah
01:05:57
popculturediner
It'd be so weird um anyway. And I was like, ah movie so that's I did not disclose anything. I said, let's talk about what you're going to pay me because I love capitalism.
01:06:10
popculturediner
Um, so, so anyway, okay. So Pascal. Okay. Hello. Uh, okay. Um, I loved this. So he has like a one one on one time with Joan and he does like the exact opposite of what all the men just did on Jen season. And he said, if it wasn't you, I wouldn't have come.
01:06:30
popculturediner
I came here for you.
01:06:33
Steve
I mean, that's good.
01:06:33
popculturediner
I just, I just like through my, I've got, I've got my liquid death convicted melons.
01:06:35
Steve
Yeah.
01:06:40
Steve
Gen gens season everybody was just like, I came here for Maria.
01:06:46
popculturediner
who
01:06:47
Steve
And then I came here for or and then i came here for Daisy.
01:06:47
popculturediner
orant days
01:06:50
Steve
And then I came here for 27 other women. But now you're here and I'm here for you.
01:06:55
popculturediner
And I'm like, OK, I guess. And then Jen's like, yeah, I just don't feel like I, you know, I'm being appreciated. And then annoying people on social media are like, why does Jen complain all the time?
01:07:08
popculturediner
It's like, wouldn't you? What the hell?
01:07:10
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:11
popculturediner
OK, but now she's eating Taco Bell with Jonathan and he's not even calling it a cheat meal.
01:07:14
Steve
Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, the the thing.
01:07:16
popculturediner
Well, that's what I call character development. She goes, remember when we were, she goes, remember when we were on a date and Jonathan was like, felt all weird about eating junk food? Now look at him. That's called growth. And he was like, he was like, and then he ate something and he was like, uh, and he's like, you know what this tastes like?
01:07:26
Steve
who
01:07:31
popculturediner
This tastes like IBS. And I was like, oh God, Jonathan, if I couldn't like you anymore, really speak in my language right now.
01:07:40
Steve
Yeah, it's funny because frequently on on the bachelor The Bachelorette, well, The Bachelorette especially, ah they they they're just like, i just I don't feel like wanted and I don't feel loved. It comes from this deep-seated insecurity, and then but also it comes out on this show where you are constantly in like breakup mode with X amount of men.
01:07:57
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:07:59
Steve
And in Jen's case, like most of the time it's just like, well, it's a show and it's fucking with you and also your own insecurities and also this, this and this with Jenna was like, well, it's a little bit of that, but it's also the fact that like, no, you are completely justified because there are men here who who are a hundred percent like, oh shit, you're not Maria.
01:08:14
Steve
ah Who were you again?
01:08:14
popculturediner
Yeah. And they're like, and they're like, I'm so into you. I'm so into you. And you're like, what the hell? And like, yeah, someone were like, I just didn't even remember her being on the show because she wasn't on it as long as some of the other women were spare.
01:08:23
Steve
Yeah. Honestly, like. when When they do that scene in like every single episode of Bachelor Bachelorette where all the people stand on the balcony and they go, ah, and they scream the name of whoever it is, I guarantee like three fourths of those guys are probably like, John, and the other fourth were like, Maria.
01:08:27
popculturediner
But.
01:08:42
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah, it was not good and not good. So anyway, so Pascal sets the tone right away.
01:08:46
Steve
Pascal, sorry.
01:08:47
popculturediner
He was just like he was like, I'm here for you, Joan. I'm not here for anyone else. And I wouldn't have been here for was for anyone else. And I 100 percent believe him. Good for him.
01:08:57
Steve
I am here for you more Sherry.
01:08:57
popculturediner
ah the Yeah. And then we see. OK. And then, yeah, Dan, he was a single dad for. Wait, I'm I got to look at these guys, Dan.
01:09:11
popculturediner
Wait, Dan wasn't the close target. That was Bill. OK, who's Dan?
01:09:14
Steve
Yeah. Bill's the guy from Portland who's a videographer.
01:09:15
popculturediner
Oh, Dan's the private investor. Yeah. And he's he's a girl dad as well. um Yeah, he seems cool.
01:09:21
Steve
Yeah. Private investor from Florida. I think he's a toxic conservative.
01:09:28
popculturediner
Like um he did. He didn't. He isn't one of his daughters. He adopted one daughter. Is that Dan?
01:09:36
Steve
Oh, we'll see now. Now you're throwing my my logic for a loop.
01:09:39
popculturediner
Just saying and and.
01:09:40
Steve
Maybe he's a saint.
01:09:41
popculturediner
Well, and and she says really kind things about him in that video, right?
01:09:46
Steve
She does.
01:09:46
popculturediner
Where she was just like, where she was just like, I needed a dad and you became my dad and I feel like so blessed that you were in my life and he starts crying.
01:09:46
Steve
He seems sweet.
01:09:55
popculturediner
And so anyway, I thought that was really cute.
01:09:56
Steve
Ugh, all these men are so sensitive and nice.
01:09:59
popculturediner
I know they're all like in touch with their emotions. It's really cute. um And then ah Gary, yeah, Gary is a ray of sunshine. That's what I said about Gary. Wait, let's read Gary's ah bio because I yeah, he's also a man in finance, but he just seems like a lot of fun. Handsome Gary has a zest for life that lights up every room he enters. He also lights up every room he enters. You got competition, Keith.
01:10:24
Steve
I wish people would just call me Handsome Gary.
01:10:27
popculturediner
That's what it says. Handsome Gary. He loves.
01:10:29
Steve
handsome gary
01:10:30
popculturediner
He loves a retired life in Palm Desert, where he enjoys taking spin classes, golfing and watching The View. Gary is the godson of legendary Tina Turner.
01:10:41
popculturediner
Way to bury the lead.
01:10:42
Steve
ok
01:10:43
popculturediner
And it's also very musically gifted with a beautiful singing voice and killer dance moves. The charming father of two says his dating life has been non-existent, but he couldn't be more ready to meet his soulmate.
01:10:51
Steve
Wait, are him and Jack gonna like sing a little duet and do a cute little dance number?
01:10:54
popculturediner
That's what I'm wondering.
01:10:55
Steve
Oh gosh.
01:10:55
popculturediner
Okay, hello. ah Gary.
01:10:56
Steve
Do you see how Jack is like, he's like the peanut butter to everybody's jelly.
01:10:59
popculturediner
Jack is the glue.
01:11:00
Steve
Like he's just, yeah.
01:11:01
popculturediner
He is the glue. Gary's hoping to meet a kind, caring and intelligent woman to travel the world with. He dreams of owning a home in the south of France. So Joan, we hope you're ready to bon voyage with Gary.
01:11:10
Steve
Oh, what if you bought like a bachelor pad with Pascal?
01:11:13
popculturediner
Seriously, what a buddy comedy. um Gary loves the spa. Gary says, bring back disco. ah Gary writes hard for the USC Trojans.
01:11:22
Steve
Yeah.
01:11:25
popculturediner
So anyway, Gary seems fun.
01:11:25
Steve
Okay. Respect for a spa boy. Let's yeah.
01:11:28
popculturediner
I like Gary. I'm excited. I don't know how far he's going to make it, but he's really fun. I think he's going to make a TV.
01:11:33
Steve
Uh, also zero toxic conservative red flags. None. Can't find any.
01:11:37
popculturediner
From Gary? No, absolutely not.
01:11:38
Steve
None. No, no. He's an angel.
01:11:40
popculturediner
Yeah, we love Gary. OK, and then I have the note about, yeah, how they're already like hugging and giggling with each other. And I was like, yes, this could be a good episode, a good season.
01:11:48
Steve
Yeah.
01:11:50
popculturediner
And then, yeah, Jordan comes back to redeem himself and he's like, listen, my entrance was. atrocious, so I'm so sorry about that. And she was like, I literally she's like, I literally didn't even remember.
01:11:57
Steve
Oh, Jordan is just a mess.
01:12:01
popculturediner
Then he's like, damn and I reminded her. ah And then there's like they play pickleball and there's like, you know, redemption arc or whatever.
01:12:09
Steve
Oh my gosh.
01:12:09
popculturediner
And then great.
01:12:10
Steve
That ball that gets so close to Joan's head and then she does like a matrix move to get away from it.
01:12:11
popculturediner
What?
01:12:16
popculturediner
Yeah. Wait a minute.
01:12:18
Steve
Impressive.
01:12:19
popculturediner
Where's Greg? Wasn't there a guy named Greg? With two G's. Where did he go?
01:12:25
Steve
Greg with two Gs, yeah, Greg Lesson. He's the one, he's the ah the university vice president guy.
01:12:30
Steve
He's got the gray beard and this and the strawberry blonde hair. It should be on there.
01:12:30
popculturediner
But he's not on he's not on here.
01:12:34
popculturediner
He's not he's not on the castle. What?
01:12:37
Steve
That doesn't make any sense. The only one I'm confused about is on my cast list that I have up, ah one of the guys that gets cut on the first night, remember when I said that Pablo was the one who got the least amount of time.
01:12:39
popculturediner
I'm serious.
01:12:46
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:12:47
Steve
There's a guy named Thomas, they don't even have his last name, he's just Thomas.
01:12:50
popculturediner
Wait, here's Greg. OK, yeah, Greg was the one who looked like my old, old doctor.
01:12:52
Steve
Thomas the tank engine?
01:12:57
popculturediner
He's not on my cast list.
01:13:00
Steve
He loves root beer floats and he wears flip flops 90% of the time.
01:13:00
popculturediner
That's so.
01:13:03
Steve
He traveled to Rwanda to hike with gorillas.
01:13:04
popculturediner
prison Who Greg?
01:13:08
Steve
Greg, what, what does that mean?
01:13:11
popculturediner
Wow. Hike with gorillas. I don't know what they were hanging out.
01:13:17
Steve
Like, are we, like, are we talking about the great ape or are we like, like, what?
01:13:17
popculturediner
He's got a dog named Flip Flop.
01:13:23
popculturediner
Like the band.
01:13:24
Steve
or combatants, like but the idea of like when I think of hiking, when I think of hiking with, it's like side by side.
01:13:27
popculturediner
No, no.
01:13:31
popculturediner
I think I think you meant hiking ah in the vicinity of Gorillaz. I don't think I don't think you meant any anyway.
01:13:36
Steve
Okay. But like if if i'm if i'm if I'm personally hiking with gorillas, I'm holding their hand the whole time.
01:13:42
popculturediner
OK, well, you can.
01:13:45
Steve
And I...
01:13:47
popculturediner
Now, wait, was it a gorilla or was it orangutan? It was an orangutan. Have you seen the lady on TikTok who's been hanging out with, I believe, orangutans? Gosh, now I'm trying to remember at the zoo.
01:13:58
popculturediner
I think it is. And she's.
01:14:00
Steve
Only zoo come the content I get is pesto the giant penguin.
01:14:03
popculturediner
Oh, not the new hippo.
01:14:05
Steve
Oh What's his name men dang or something like that or what's his something dang Yeah Moo
01:14:09
popculturediner
Yeah. Hold on. New hippo. Hold on. OK, this is important. Moo dang. Moo dang.
01:14:16
Steve
dang the hippo. No, I like I like moo dang.
01:14:17
popculturediner
Yeah. Egg me hippo.
01:14:18
Steve
He's okay.
01:14:19
popculturediner
I thought it was a girl.
01:14:21
Steve
Oh Yeah, there's a girl pesto is a boy though
01:14:21
popculturediner
Yeah, it's a girl. She's so she's so popular, you can only visit her for five minutes because she's got a mad tick tock presence. But I'm talking about there's this lady who goes to the zoo. I think it is.
01:14:32
popculturediner
Let me see.
01:14:34
popculturediner
Hmm. I think this will be the search. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. So they're orangutans. There's this lady, she goes to the zoo. She does not work for the zoo, but she goes to the zoo very regularly.
01:14:45
popculturediner
She goes and hangs out with the ring orangutans and she brings a bunch of stuff with her for the others. Like they're separated by glass. Right.
01:14:53
Steve
Yeah.
01:14:54
popculturediner
And then she's bringing like Plato and kinetic sand and things like that. And then the orangutans point to the thing they want her to play with in front of them. And then they'll like point at another thing.
01:15:03
Steve
Oh.
01:15:05
popculturediner
She'll like spread it out and put it on the glass and they'll like, they'll like, like kind of touch it and play with it and pointed it. Um, and, and like, I heard, like, I saw a video where someone said like, nobody's like, you know, it's like, well, she doesn't work for the zoo and like, isn't an issue, but the zookeepers are like, it's enrichment and they like it.
01:15:23
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:24
popculturediner
And they're, and they're asking her for stuff.
01:15:24
Steve
And see, that's an example of doing an activity with an orangutan as opposed to just going to see the orangutans, which you're not with them.
01:15:28
popculturediner
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
01:15:31
Steve
You're not with them.
01:15:32
popculturediner
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
01:15:33
Steve
Yes.
01:15:33
popculturediner
She, she is with them, even though they're on the other side of the, she's with them and they are going, I would like to see that please.
01:15:35
Steve
She is with them. Mm-hmm.
01:15:39
popculturediner
Or like, you know, isn't it gorillas that can learn sign language, right?
01:15:40
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:43
popculturediner
Can't gorillas learn sign language?
01:15:44
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:15:44
popculturediner
I know nothing about any of this stuff.
01:15:45
Steve
Yeah.
01:15:46
Steve
Coco the talking monkey. Come on.
01:15:46
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:15:47
popculturediner
Right. So then, so then I would assume that's it. That's an activity with a gorilla, right? It's sign language with a gorilla.
01:15:53
Steve
with a gorilla.
01:15:54
popculturediner
So I don't know.
01:15:54
Steve
Yeah, Greg with too many G's.
01:15:55
popculturediner
Maybe they like to go hiking.
01:15:57
Steve
I, no.
01:15:58
popculturediner
Maybe girls like to go hiking with people. I don't know. So anyway.
01:16:00
Steve
I'm gonna interrogate Greg. i'm gonna I'm gonna DM him on Instagram.
01:16:03
popculturediner
OK, well, he's judging everyone's pickleball playing. He did not like it. And then this is where we get the clip from Jones saying there's balls flying everywhere, which is pretty fun.
01:16:07
Steve
Yeah.
01:16:14
popculturediner
um And then, oh, RJ, RJ, I don't remember RJ at all. Oh, yeah, he was the man in finance. He said, like, oh, you guys must have really good insurance. And I was like, no, RJ, I'm pretty sure you just signed a really good waiver, but
01:16:28
Steve
Yeah, he just had a really good waver, yeah.
01:16:29
popculturediner
I'm like, I don't think it's really good insurance, but wishful thinking. And then, yeah. And then Charles comes in to the kitchen and he goes, wow, this kitchen is great. And he's like looking at the pots and he goes, oh, this is real.
01:16:42
Steve
I just thought everything on site was just like, bae.
01:16:43
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, he's like, this is well, oh, that was why I had said that thing about I don't know if I like love Jack or hate him, because that's when he started walking around the mansion. He goes, I think I went to a place like this in Mexico that was like pretty nice, but it wasn't as nice as this place.
01:16:58
popculturediner
This place is really nice.
01:16:59
Steve
Which is great too. Cause he's like, he like literally went to, he probably went to like an all inclusive and Cozumel or something. He's like, this is all like that.
01:17:06
popculturediner
Yeah, and he's like, yeah, he's like, I went to this place in Mexico that was really nice, but not this nice.
01:17:11
Steve
It's incredible. Incredible. Is he like, I know in his.
01:17:14
popculturediner
He was like so delighted. He's like, it just keeps going. There's gotta to be 72 candles on that wall.
01:17:21
Steve
He just like let let him light up a Marlboro Light in the mansion. like Just let him do it.
01:17:25
popculturediner
Oh, for real.
01:17:26
Steve
He deserves it.
01:17:26
popculturediner
Oh, God, he's so funny. OK, and then. All right. So then, yeah, Kim. OK, so Kim talks to Joan and he's like putting family first. I really resonated with me. A lot of the men say things like that.
01:17:38
popculturediner
um And then. Oh, and then Bob has like this near death story about getting like struck by lightning and being under like CPR for like 14 minutes or something like that.
01:17:45
Steve
Yeah, which is what?
01:17:49
popculturediner
I was like, damn.
01:17:50
Steve
Bro, yeah, you were dead for that long?
01:17:50
popculturediner
um
01:17:52
Steve
Yeah.
01:17:52
popculturediner
See and then a ghost talked to him and said you should be a chiropractor Yeah, exactly um And then there's guy and he I don't know.
01:17:56
Steve
You should be a chiropractor. You already look like Dr. Drew.
01:18:04
popculturediner
I just felt like the whole night guy sounded kind of drunk He was like I see some potential in Joan She seems pretty cute.
01:18:05
Steve
Ew.
01:18:08
Steve
He's just...
01:18:12
popculturediner
And then I was like, I don't know if I like if he creased me out.
01:18:12
Steve
No, I don't i don't like him. He's...
01:18:15
popculturediner
I don't like him stay away from guy and
01:18:16
Steve
Ugh. I don't like him either. He's like, he's like at a wedding and he's had three glasses of wine. He's hitting on like your 22 year old cousin. That's Guy.
01:18:23
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, I don't like him at all. Marcus, like Jones, like a fresh, warm pair of sweats right out of the dryer. And I just want that warmth around me all the time. Boy, I wish someone did my laundry.
01:18:36
popculturediner
um And then OK. And then we see Jonathan again. And yeah, he's got Laura for sure. And he's like, OK, this is this is the vibe I get from Joan and Jonathan.
01:18:47
popculturediner
They give me Trista Ryan vibes.
01:18:47
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:18:51
Steve
Okay.
01:18:51
popculturediner
100% and I think that's why I like him so much and but except I didn't like Trissa and Ryan when they were on the show but I like them now um but he was like I wanted to write you a poem and then it was like not that good of a poem just like when Ryan wrote a poem and that's why I didn't like him on the show because I was like that poem sucked
01:19:09
Steve
Anytime someone on TV says, I wrote you a poem, I just wanna like, I wanna claw through the walls to get away.
01:19:16
popculturediner
It's like, even if it's good, I'm not going to like it ah because it's not for me. So I'm not going to try it.
01:19:21
Steve
No.
01:19:22
popculturediner
But he he he's like, it's up here. I memorize it. Are you ready for it? And then I was like, decent. I mean, not terrible, ah not the best poem, but it's really cornball.
01:19:33
popculturediner
And it worked for it worked for her. And he was like, you have to stand when I say it to you. He like created an atmosphere, did a good job.
01:19:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:19:43
popculturediner
um
01:19:44
Steve
no Please no one ever say a poem to me, ever.
01:19:46
popculturediner
and I will never say a poem to you. um I won't ever.
01:19:49
Steve
Don't even like think about poems around me.
01:19:53
popculturediner
I never I don't have a whole book of poems I wrote when I was 19 that I could read on the podcast.
01:20:00
Steve
ah While I melt into a puddle.
01:20:01
popculturediner
We had if we had a landmark, I'll read. I'll read all my cringy 19 year old poems that are really bad.
01:20:03
Steve
I'm just like, I love that.
01:20:07
popculturediner
um Jack is. Yeah, this is when Jack makes the tenderloin medallions with bordalase sauce, hollandaise sauce and rice and a bunch of other stuff. but
01:20:15
Steve
I got two sauces. I got rice with mushrooms. What else do you want?
01:20:19
popculturediner
I just whipped this all together. and then yeah and then And then, yeah, he was like, Charles, get the hell out of here.
01:20:21
Steve
with this together.
01:20:26
popculturediner
But Charles is like, listen, I see you and I raise you tea and dessert. And I was like, OK, fair enough.
01:20:32
Steve
Let's see, let's see what happens.
01:20:33
popculturediner
And then Christopher, the regular Brooklyn contractor, did a little candy heart that they had to break. Cute. And then, oh, who is the guy who has an album with his garden in it? Because I missed who that was. But he's like, these are all my flowers and I'm very proud of them. And I was like, this guy's amazing. And I don't know who he was because it went too fast.
01:20:57
Steve
No, i don't i didn't I didn't write that one down either. But yeah, whoever that is, they should win.
01:21:00
popculturediner
oh yeah he was just like this variety is called this and I was like you're so cool um but he's like I brought an album of all of my flowers so you're all yelling at me so stop yelling at me I know you know what it is I forgot okay I'll look it up later
01:21:18
Steve
yeah
Rose Ceremony Results and Reactions
01:21:19
popculturediner
and we'll we'll circle back I tried to google it quick and nothing was coming up
01:21:23
popculturediner
um But I thought that was really good. And then yeah Keith is like, let's play bags. And he's like, I don't get complacent. I just go do things. And I'm like, Keith is living my life.
01:21:34
Steve
Yes, Keith and Jack are gonna totally like shotgun some Bush lights.
01:21:35
popculturediner
um and
01:21:39
Steve
It's gonna be great.
01:21:39
popculturediner
Oh, Keith and yeah, Keith and Jack, I'm a fan. ah Then we get. OK, then we get chalk story. His mom had stage four cancer and he was like, should I go on the show?
01:21:49
popculturediner
And she goes, you go live your life. And I was like, damn. um And he climbed Kilimanjaro and he's got a spoiled dog and, you know.
01:21:59
Steve
Yeah, name like Super Chubby or what's his name? Super Chubby.
01:22:03
popculturediner
Yes. Super chunk or something like that. No, I don't know.
01:22:06
Steve
Something, I don't know.
01:22:07
popculturediner
Super tubs, super tubs, super tubs.
01:22:07
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. We all, we always got there.
01:22:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:22:09
Steve
Yeah.
01:22:10
popculturediner
Yeah. Super tubs. Um, and then, uh, okay. Then the first impression rose goes to Keith. Of course, he also gets the first kiss and Joan says he makes her feel safe and he, he is just like a very calming presence.
01:22:24
popculturediner
I totally get it.
01:22:24
Steve
Yeah. But also he's huge.
01:22:25
popculturediner
I i yeah.
01:22:26
Steve
So like no one will ever mess with her cause he could definitely squash them for sure.
01:22:26
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As a person who's under five feet tall, I always felt safe for around my six, four friends.
01:22:34
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:22:34
popculturediner
Um, so yeah. And then, and then all the guys, when he got the first impression, Rose were like shaking his hand and like slapping him on the back and stuff. And it was super cute.
01:22:44
Steve
It's a very supportive environment, yeah.
01:22:44
popculturediner
So adorable. Yeah. I was really durable. They're all like, good job. And then they're also like, kind of sad, but good job. uh then we get like the most emotional thing that has probably ever happened in bachelor franchise history and that is all of the kids of and parents do like a mom to like all these family members come on and they're talking you know they're like dad like I'm so proud of you and you're amazing and you're going to do so good and they're all crying. Everyone's crying. It's so good. Like Pascal's son, Charles's daughter, Dan's daughter, Ryan, ah Charles.
01:23:26
popculturediner
Charles Kingston oh and then I was like oh that's the other Charles and then Jordan's uh kid and partner and then Bob's kid Gary's daughter like I was like everybody Gilson some guy I don't remember kids takes mom um really really sweet and then we get the rose ceremony and I missed a couple people and I don't know everybody who went home but I do know that Dan, Jonathan, Guy, Charles, Gil, Gary, Pascal, Chalk, Kim, Christopher, Greg and Charles L, Jordan, Bob, Michael and Jack all stay.
01:24:07
popculturediner
So I don't know who all left, but those are the people who stayed for sure.
01:24:09
Steve
So the people who went home, Thomas, who doesn't have a last name, he's ah Fire Chief from ah from New York City.
01:24:15
popculturediner
Oh, yeah, yeah, OK.
01:24:17
Steve
RJ, six five blue eyes, no Rose.
01:24:20
popculturediner
Sorry, OK.
01:24:22
Steve
Pablo.
01:24:23
popculturediner
Pablo, just as for Pablo, for real.
01:24:24
Steve
Oh, by Pablo. Yeah. It's like, it's not the start of a new season of something bachelor related. If a guy who goes out of the first night, isn't a Sammy favorite Ken O'Brien, who's like a Boston, Massachusetts property management treasure.
01:24:31
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:24:36
popculturediner
Oh, he was one that called her like wicked hat or something. Yeah.
01:24:38
Steve
Oh, she's a wicked pizza hot. Yeah.
01:24:41
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:24:42
Steve
ah Guy. like What is a property management management treasure? What do you like handle the money for landlords? I don't like this by
Final Thoughts and Season Predictions
01:24:48
Steve
Ken ah David Huff, the rancher who lost his horse, never trust a cowboy.
01:24:49
popculturediner
Jesus.
01:24:52
Steve
You can't keep track of his horse. I'll tell you that much.
01:24:53
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, sorry, David.
01:24:54
Steve
And Bill Hernandez, he talked close, but he was a long shot on this show and didn't make it.
01:25:00
popculturediner
Yeah, Bill was just like, he just talked way too close. I think he needed needs hearing aids.
01:25:04
Steve
Oh, also goodbye Michael Stevens, who's a retired banking CEO. You seem completely functional. I don't know.
01:25:14
popculturediner
Wait, I thought he, what?
01:25:15
Steve
Oh no, wait, he's still there.
01:25:17
popculturediner
He made it through, yeah, yeah.
01:25:17
Steve
He's still there. Yeah, he's still there. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I scrolled up a little too much.
01:25:21
popculturediner
He's the one he's the one with the he's the one with the with the adopted daughter.
01:25:21
Steve
I was like, I thought the guy was still there.
01:25:26
popculturediner
and So sweet.
01:25:26
Steve
He, yeah, he's got the adopted daughter.
01:25:27
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:25:28
Steve
Yes, that's right.
01:25:28
popculturediner
Yeah. And like really cute.
01:25:29
Steve
But he seems very like articulate and smart. So I don't know how charming he is, but he should do okay.
01:25:35
popculturediner
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the guys. Yeah. the The guys I want to know more about for sure. I'm like I'm like scrolling through. Yeah. I want to know more about Dan. I am curious. I definitely want to know more about Gary and Gil.
01:25:49
popculturediner
And I'm interested. I mean, Jack, I feel like we just know what we need to know.
01:25:54
Steve
Oh yeah, you know everything you need to know.
01:25:55
popculturediner
We don't need to know anywhere.
01:25:55
Steve
And I know that he's not gonna win, but he's also gonna go far enough where he's gonna steal my heart and everyone else's.
01:25:59
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely.
01:26:01
Steve
So he's he's America's winner.
01:26:03
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna learn a lot about Jonathan maybe or maybe he'll continue to be mysterious, but like the little bit that's online, I'm like, I just need to know everything about this person. um I feel like Keith is gonna also share everything you need to know, but I feel like we know a lot already.
01:26:16
popculturediner
We're not gonna get to know that much about Kim.
01:26:17
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:26:19
popculturediner
That'll be the thing. um Yeah, we'll learn more about Michael. But yeah, I'm just so sad and Pascal. I want to know more about him, too, because like what a cool I don't know. Like he just seems ah hopefully he's a good salon owner, you know, because sometimes there's a lot of toxics.
01:26:31
Steve
Yeah, I hope so too.
01:26:34
Steve
Blot it out. Yeah.
01:26:35
popculturediner
According to my friends who are stylists and have been in bad situations and are now in good situations.
01:26:35
Steve
Oh, yeah.
01:26:40
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:26:42
popculturediner
um But he seems like cool and fun. So like, I hope he is cool and fun. And I feel like I mean, like, you know, it can be hit or miss with the French stuff, but he seems like a cool French guy and not like a, you know what I mean?
01:26:53
Steve
Yeah.
01:26:54
popculturediner
Not like a pain in the butt French guy.
01:26:54
Steve
Yeah.
01:26:55
popculturediner
So he seemed fun.
01:26:55
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:26:56
popculturediner
Like he'd be like the one who like, I don't know. I have, I still have like a pretty bad memories of my piano teacher in college. He was French and he was like so mean to me.
01:27:08
popculturediner
He was just like, he would be like, everything you did is wrong and sounds ugly. And I'm like, I'm sorry.
01:27:12
Steve
yeah
01:27:13
popculturediner
I'm trying to sound pretty. And then he'd be like, you seem stressed out. Would you like a chocolate? And I'm like, well, okay.
01:27:17
Steve
Oh, that's nice.
01:27:19
popculturediner
Okay. But like I would have done without that whole first hour of you being mad at me.
01:27:25
Steve
Just berating me.
01:27:26
popculturediner
And then he's like, have a chocolate.
01:27:26
Steve
Okay, so Sammy, my my big question for you as we as we wrap here.
01:27:28
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:27:30
popculturediner
Yes. Yes.
01:27:31
Steve
um Week one, who are your final three?
01:27:34
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
01:27:36
Steve
Just just off of week one.
01:27:37
popculturediner
Oh, final three?
01:27:39
Steve
Final three.
01:27:40
popculturediner
OK.
01:27:41
Steve
we're heading into We're heading into fantasy suites.
01:27:42
popculturediner
OK, final three.
01:27:43
Steve
Who do you got?
01:27:45
popculturediner
Let me look at the guys again. Hold on. See all final three.
01:27:53
popculturediner
Final three. I hate to say Mark, but I feel like he will make it to the final three.
01:28:00
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:28:01
popculturediner
um Um, well, at least the final four, maybe not the final three. Um, God.
01:28:11
popculturediner
If I say Mark Keith. I feel like I want to do a wild card. I don't know if Jonathan's going to make it that far. I feel like I feel like he could.
01:28:18
Steve
Mm.
01:28:20
popculturediner
But I just I feel like don I feel like Joan is looking for just a guy.
01:28:21
Steve
Listen to your heart, Sammy.
01:28:25
popculturediner
And I feel like Jonathan is more than just a guy. OK, I'm going to say Mark, Keith and Gil.
01:28:35
Steve
Ooh, Gil.
01:28:35
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't know.
01:28:36
Steve
Okay, that's your wild card.
01:28:36
popculturediner
I wanted to do. I just wanted to do wild card because I really like Gil and I feel like they might really connect on the whole educator thing.
01:28:39
Steve
well Well... Mm-hmm.
01:28:44
popculturediner
I don't know.
01:28:44
Steve
So here's my final three. Keith, because he's got the first impression rose, so statistically, he's gonna do well.
01:28:48
popculturediner
ah Yeah.
01:28:52
Steve
Mark, because he is the producer plant that they're gonna push, okay?
01:28:56
popculturediner
Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:28:58
Steve
And my third is now I need a villain. Who's my villain? I want a villain in my final three. It's gonna be Guy, the sleazebag from Reno.
01:29:07
popculturediner
No, I hope not.
01:29:08
Steve
Yes!
01:29:09
popculturediner
I hope he doesn't make it anywhere near the final three.
01:29:09
Steve
And I'm gonna get all mad, because I'm gonna be like, he's gonna break my Jones heart.
01:29:13
popculturediner
No, no.
01:29:13
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:29:14
popculturediner
I think I think Dan is also like a really strong contender. um I think Pascal is a strong contender, too. um Yeah, it's just hard to say at this point. But I mean, what's nice is I feel like she's got a lot of good guys to pick from.
01:29:29
popculturediner
Like, I don't think she's got like a bunch of zeros and there'll be somebody that surprises us. It kind of comes out comes out of nowhere. Like,
01:29:36
Steve
Oh, for sure, for sure.
01:29:37
popculturediner
That's why, that's why I think, I think out of all the guys that we didn't see a lot from, Gil has the most potential to be someone who like kind of jumps up in the ranks. And then it's like, Oh, who's Gil?
01:29:48
popculturediner
He seems interesting.
01:29:48
Steve
Oh, till evil guy twists his mustache and ties the Joan to the railroad tracks.
01:29:49
popculturediner
So I don't want I don't want him to be like anywhere near.
01:29:54
Steve
ah
01:29:56
popculturediner
Yeah, that would be so bad. I really hope that that doesn't happen. um But yeah, so let's see. Yeah, I see even in my notes, I wrote, I feel like Gil might be someone who grows on the show over time because sometimes we get that.
01:30:09
popculturediner
And then I was so happy that Jack was got picked because she saved him for last. But I was like, we get his culinary abilities for one more week. And like, didn't somebody in the house say like, listen, you just can't cut Jack because I don't want to cook and Jack is going to cook for us.
01:30:24
Steve
Yeah.
01:30:25
popculturediner
So you got to let him stay for like a few more weeks. um But yeah, I think this is shaping up to be a really good season. I'm super excited about it. And yeah, I think it's fun because I don't.
01:30:37
popculturediner
Totally know where it's gonna go.
01:30:39
Steve
No.
01:30:39
popculturediner
I don't think there's like a clear front runner even though like the men think Jonathan's a front runner I I just feel like Joan is looking for like like someone who's more dadly
01:30:50
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:30:51
popculturediner
Yeah, and he's like to put together maybe, you know, i like to polish and she I don't know.
01:30:52
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:59
popculturediner
That's why Pascal might also not necessarily make it as far.
01:31:03
Steve
Yeah.
01:31:04
popculturediner
So we'll see.
01:31:05
Steve
We'll see.
01:31:05
popculturediner
um But that being said, we'll see you all next week. Also, just a heads up. I don't know that because I was either going to be extremely early or extremely late. Sorry, I'm going to be walking 50 miles and raising money for multiple sclerosis.
01:31:15
Steve
We don't know.
01:31:19
Steve
And I'm not.
01:31:19
popculturediner
Okay.
01:31:20
popculturediner
So if you don't like that, then deal with it.
01:31:24
Steve
Yeah.
01:31:25
popculturediner
Um, so we'll, we'll see you then. And, uh, in the meantime, everyone's getting sick. Make sure to take care of yourself, rest, hydrate, you know, do all the things, get boosters, um try that kind of needle drug.
01:31:42
Steve
Yeah. But don't do the bad kind of needle drugs. Just don't do needle drugs. Jesus. Come on.
01:31:50
Steve
I'm going to use this outro to talk about how I just watched the secret lives of Mormon wives. The entire thing binged it and I'm obsessed.
01:31:55
popculturediner
Oh, we got to talk about that. Okay.
01:31:57
Steve
Oh my gosh.
01:31:57
popculturediner
We got to do, we're going to do a special episode. I'm like midway through.
01:32:00
Steve
Special episode. Whitney. Let's talk about Whitney dancing in the hospital.
01:32:06
popculturediner
Whitney.
01:32:08
Steve
I'm crazy for Whitney.
01:32:09
popculturediner
I just really want one of those soda places to open up by me.
01:32:12
Steve
it's it's deme not demi ok
01:32:37
Steve
It's Demi, not Demi, okay?