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popculturediner: Hello.
Steve: Oh, hello.
popculturediner: I'm Sammy.
Steve: And I'm Steve.
popculturediner: And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic girl dating ist bags playing ist uniform wearing ist recap podcast of the Golden Bachelorette ever.
Steve: Ever.
popculturediner: And How exciting. what a What a monumental occasion. We have our first Golden Bachelorette.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I i just feel so honored to be witnessing this moment.
Steve: I just want to say too, the the the hyperbole of us every single episode, much like the Bachelor franchise saying this is the most whatever ever.
popculturediner: and her
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah In this instance, we are actually 100 % correct because there's never been a Golden Bachelorette.
popculturediner: Yeah, this is the this is the most whatever ever. So that's very exciting.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um Yeah, I just I full disclosure am exhausted. But and I feel like we just both are in our own little bubbles of chaos right now.
Steve: Yeah, just, just dying over here. We're both like super busy and, uh, Sammy's just like, okay, almost ready. Like, good. Just waiting on the results of my COVID test.
popculturediner: And I'm like, I'm just fighting with a typewriter.
Steve: i
popculturediner: And like, so if if I, like, I tried to wash it off the best I could, but I still have like purple on my fingers. So if you see me waving around and you're like, Sammy has circulation issues.
popculturediner: Yes, probably, but also this time it's because of a typewriter. So, um, yeah. So I'm.
Steve: Wrestling with a typewriter, smoking cigarettes, trying to meet that deadline.
popculturediner: Yeah, my deadline is tomorrow and I was like, oh my God, ah it's not reversing. There's something I'm not putting it in. And it's like every time now that I put the ink ribbon into the typewriter, it gets worse somehow. I'm like doing it more wrong.
popculturediner: So that's interesting.
Steve: ah I got nothing.
popculturediner: And I have to mail these to someone to get it to the event on time. Cause I'm not going to be at the event on time. And I just got my booster shot on Monday and I still feel like I'm feeling it.
popculturediner: Like I was really run down the day after and just like sweating randomly and you know, whatever. And then yesterday I was like, Oh, I feel pretty.
popculturediner: Okay. And then. around four o 'clock, I was like, I am not okay. And today it was like, I was okay for longer. And then, and then it started hitting me. So I'm like, okay, by tomorrow, I'll probably be kind of back to normal.
popculturediner: But I was like, well, that means it's working, right?
Steve: Yeah,
popculturediner: That's what they say. So, so you know, ah get
Steve: yeah yeah. We're bringing all the high energy to the Golden Bachelorettes!
popculturediner: Get boosted, everybody. Get boosted. um i you know I think there's just like so much exciting Bachelor Nation news that we have to address before we go into the episode.
popculturediner: And um and again, I was fully planning on reading more and then
Steve: Sure.
popculturediner: Tuck got COVID. I ran away.
Steve: Mmm.
popculturediner: I successfully did not get it. Um, go me and then started school. So I've been a little busy, but not busy enough to not keep up with all of the wild stuff that's going on.
popculturediner: Have you been following what's been happening with Devin at all?
Steve: uh no only what you send me because this is part of my like ongoing like unless the bachelor non -show stuff slaps me in the face i just don't engage with it you know i try to try to come to the show as pure as humanly possible uh but you were like steve check this shit out and you sent me a tiktok which is like
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Devin got a restraining order taken out against him by an ex -girlfriend and then he like showed up in her driveway and he lit the restraining order on fire, which is like a really toxic version of John Cusack and say anything.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: It's not good. Not a good look.
popculturediner: Yeah, it's not a good look. um Yeah, so yeah, it's pretty bad. So Reality Steve actually did like an exclusive and somehow had more access to more reports or whatever. I think he like filled out a request to get it or whatever, but it is publicly available. The stuff he had was publicly available.
popculturediner: There are certain things that were sealed, but he was very clear at saying like, cause it was like the incident itself was sealed, but the fact that a restraining order was taken out against him was very publicly available and could have happened in any background check that you should do on a contestant before they get on a show.
Steve: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Steve: You think you do like that's just like regular shit, right? Like if if I got a new job and they go, OK, like last thing, just got to do the quick background check to make sure you're not a wanted serial killer.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Like that's just normal stuff. So this is interesting because. Part of our discussion at and for the finale of of the last season of of The Bachelorette was, you know, obviously production knows some stuff, but how much do they know? How much do they don't know? How much do they know that, like, Devin was in it? How much do they know that he was, like, kind of checked out at the end? Whatever. But then it's like,
Steve: how can production not know this? Like you you're telling me what they don't run background checks?
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Because I'm pretty sure they have to. I would imagine for at least insurance purposes. So they knew and they were like, eh, why not?
popculturediner: I mean, let's put it this way. If someone even gives me like a little bit of a funny feeling, I'm sea capping them. That's just that's just happening. okay
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
popculturediner: yeah i know i know so and Listen, I'm not gonna hold someone's record against them, but I am gonna keep it in mind.
Steve: Sure.
popculturediner: i'm gonna I'm gonna keep it back there and I'm gonna say, okay, this is something that I know. And I'm going to evaluate based on this knowledge, like why did this person get hired at our company after they were accused of stealing from two previous employers?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Maybe we should have looked at that before we said, come aboard and hang out with all our expensive equipment.
Steve: Yeah. yeah Also, it's just like kind of the it's it's really in the details, isn't it?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Because a restraining order is one thing, but then like the part where it is documented in a police report that he stood in the driveway and like lit it on fire, like that's a whole other level.
popculturediner: That's scary.
Steve: Also, and and this is probably on a state by state basis, so I'm not going to speak in complete blanket terms, but
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: in the state of Wisconsin I know for a fact it is actually kind of hard to get a restraining order against someone even if they exhibit what a regular person would be like oh that's like really dangerous fucked up behavior like this person should probably stay away from this other person it's not easy especially if there's no
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: like criminal charges or not at least a ah record of, you know, complaints against the person. Good luck getting one.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: So the fact that she was able to get one speaks to probably a much longer, more robust a body of of bad behavior on Devin's part.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah, I mean, I had to get one against somebody in another state because I had a stalker.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And i ah I was that was a really long time ago. I can't remember all the details, but I know that I produced a lot of evidence. it was There was a lot of like online, ah very clearly one way communication happening.
popculturediner: Um, and the only thing I said was like, stop, don't, don't message me again.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Don't talk to me again. I don't want to hear from you again. Um, and that was enough for me to get it. I mean, that's what I remember. That was enough for me to get a restraining order.
popculturediner: Cause it was like, you said, stop, this person didn't stop. And they sent things that were kind of scary, like accusing me of like, being a drug addict and like all kinds of weird stuff like going from being like, you're the most amazing person in the world to like, you know, I don't remember if they were like, I hope you die.
Steve: Hmm.
popculturediner: But it was like, you know, you're a drug addict and you're a terrible person.
Steve: Yum.
popculturediner: And just like anything to try to get like a response for me, it was extremely terrible. I mean, it's still scary to this day to like talk about it um because I feared for my life. And and then this person tried to appeal it.
popculturediner: and reverse the restraining order.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: And so I had to go defend myself in court in front of the person I was trying to very much stay away from, which is so that makes it even more difficult.
Steve: stay away from. Yeah.
popculturediner: I don't know how it is in Wisconsin or if things have changed in the state where this happened. Um, but I was like, Oh my God, like this is so scary. And then basically I think, I don't know, but I think the lawyer's strategy was like, well, if she openly says her address in court, then we'll make an argument that she obviously doesn't feel that unsafe because she feels safe.
popculturediner: So she kept asking me what my address is. And I said, why do you need to know that? And she's like,
Steve: But so weird.
popculturediner: She's like, it's just like a standard thing. I just need to know your address, they said. And I looked at the judge and I said, do I have to answer that? And he's like, no.
popculturediner: And he's like, why does she have to answer that? And she's like, I just I would just think it would be good to know. And he and he's like, she's not comfortable answering that. and And then it was kind of like, that's the case, you know, like it was just like,
Steve: What a little creep.
popculturediner: if she If she feels that uncomfortable um you know answering this question, I think that's you know that's proof enough for us. like She's visibly uncomfortable, and she came back to try to keep it going.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: That's that's enough. but so So basically, what I'm trying to say is to Devin, from the bottom of like the depths of my soul, fuck you. you're not a good person.
Steve: Yeah, that's fair. No.
popculturediner: Like, I'm sorry, you're not a good person. And people can get into disputes and maybe in certain states, it's easier to get something like a protective order and a restraining order are also two different things as far as I understand.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um You know, cause one is more like temporary than the other, but they use the word restraining order. And if you're going to take something that someone used to make themselves feel safe and set it on fire there in the driveway, that's, that's so fucked up.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. So which one's easier to burn in someone's driveway? That's.
popculturediner: Anyway, sorry, not to like, not i we should be doing a trauma candy salad right now.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: ah I brought the bowl and ah the restraining order. um But yeah, it's just like, ah it was so, yeah, that was such a weird and terrifying situation.
popculturediner: I'm like, and a lot of people are concur that Jen probably very much dodged a bullet.
Steve: Oh yeah, totally.
popculturediner: So so that's good. and now She's in LA and she's doing Dancing with the Stars and Jonathan was in the audience and maybe they're toying with our emotions, but it's okay.
Steve: I hope so.
popculturediner: I'm here for it. um Also, Jonathan and Justin Glaser did a video together.
Steve: Yeah, that's fine.
popculturediner: They've been hanging out, which is cute, which is very cute.
Steve: Hmm.
popculturediner: And everyone's like, the duo that I needed and didn't know I needed. And I'm like, I'm such a fan of both of them.
Steve: Oh my God.
popculturediner: Like, this is really good. So that's like the biggest news that I know of. And Justin's still hanging out with Susie, so there's still an item, which honestly, like, makes so much sense.
popculturediner: I am totally in support of it. um And then the only other big Bachelor Nation news is that I am waiting to find out I missed the boat twice today, but maybe in two hours I will be an official Jilly Box subscriber.
Steve: Oh no.
Steve: Whoa, like you're just in no more drops for you.
popculturediner: which means I don't have to wait anymore. I don't have to wait around anywhere. I just when you can still you can still opt out.
Steve: Just jilly forever.
popculturediner: But like, why would I like be really honest about it?
Steve: No, like you're ever gonna opt out of the jilly box.
popculturediner: I'm not opting out. So, um yeah, the first window I missed and then like by 20 minutes and then the second window, I also missed by 20 minutes because I had to like, I don't know, be on calls.
popculturediner: So annoying. What the hell?
Steve: Don't like that.
popculturediner: So anyways, but.
Steve: I gotta to really, I gotta to start pulling my weight around here. Like if, if, if one of the dude bachelors, if he he comes out with like a, it's the, it's the guy box, it's the Juan Pablo box or something that, ah ah Oh my gosh.
popculturediner: You God, that would be the worst person to make a box ever. Oh.
Steve: What would be in the Juan Pablo box?
popculturediner: Oh, I don't know. Just like a really terrible body spray. And then he would he would make a pillow that says, like, it's OK or whatever.
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: And then like.
Steve: No, it's a magic eight ball and you shake it.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And then every single response just says, it's okay.
popculturediner: ah It's OK. And you're like, what the hell's that mean? Oh, I hate him so much. um But anyway, yeah, so that's really exciting.
popculturediner: I'm really hoping that that happens. But oh, my gosh, I do really enjoy the Golden Bachelorette already because it's like, oh, time to cry. Time to cry.
popculturediner: Like, it's such a different tone.
Steve: Oh my gosh.
popculturediner: It's so fun.
Steve: It's so emotional. We got another, this is the problem with the Golden Bachelorette is it really they're really tugging at my my little Grinch heartstrings.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: um But, you know, much like Gary, we got ah we got a sob story dead spouse and she's just like, oh, you know, I loved him more than anything and he'll always have a place in my heart.
Steve: But luckily I have a big heart. I was just like, Joan, I love you.
popculturediner: I know she's so sweet like Joan is a gem for real.
Steve: I know. Also, I like to think that I personally just manifested this because when we were watching the Golden Bachelor, I was like, Golden Bachelorette has to be real.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Joan has to be the Golden Bachelorette. She's clearly the best. And then it happened. So just saying, it was wonderful.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And they hit us with the Phil Collins?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: How much of the budget for this show? they're go That's like a whole trip gone from this season because they had to pay for the Phil Collins.
popculturediner: Yeah, maybe that that definitely could be. Although I feel like a lot of the stock music that they use in the rest of the episode is either the like retooling of bachelor stuff or they like they're going into like archive dot Oregon pulling like the free free 50s sounding stuff from like the one guy that's made 300 tracks of like, what are you feeling?
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: And then just appears everywhere. So um like that, you know, it was like a lot of. du dan dan dan dan dan parent aren't there you know And you're like, OK.
Steve: Oh, totally. This is this is freemusic dot .org. This is the the Kevin McLeod special.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Eight notes or whatever, yeah.
Steve: That's the guy that makes like all of the like, write spring music and they're all called like, sad song or fun upbeat folksy jam.
popculturediner: Yeah, exactly.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Like it's very much that music. So I think they saved some money there because it wasn't even like, you know, the people who pay for studio sessions and then make it onto like an episode of Laguna Beach or whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It's like a little different from that. So, you know, we're like all the love is blind stuff where it's like, I'm saying in about the emotions that you see on screen.
Steve: yeah
Steve: Yeah. yeah
popculturediner: And you're like, ah Yeah, okay. It's like super on the nose.
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: Um, anyway, so yeah, what a punch in the gut. Oh my gosh. And when she was like, I checked in with him at 1am and he was okay. And then I like went home and then I came back at 3am and he was gone.
popculturediner: I was like, Oh, Joan.
Steve: Oh yeah, so.
popculturediner: Oh, Joan, that's so sad. And then she's like, when I see Hawks, that's how I know he's there. And then they were at like the cemetery and she's like, did you see those Hawks? And I was like, oh, this is like a more endearing version of Dorinda in that balloon.
popculturediner: um
Steve: This is like, no, it was sad. I was, I was crying into my frozen pizza.
popculturediner: Richard, it's Richard.
popculturediner: Yeah, it was really sweet. um Yeah. And then she's like, I went from having all these plans to feeling invisible, you know, and um and then she's like, but listen, I'm a mother and grandmother first, but there is something missing in my life.
popculturediner: And then we find out that Joan's mom is still alive. Good for Joan's mom.
Steve: Yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm.
popculturediner: ah Yeah. And then and then we see like the montage of the men. And I love that they had like the putting in of the hearing aids and like it was like really cute and
Steve: Oh yeah.
popculturediner: And it's like, OK, first. All right. So I think they started off strong with the men coming out of the li limo. I like Pascal. I'm a fan.
Steve: Oh, I love Pascal.
popculturediner: i'm I'm into it. He's like good. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I was like, oh, this guy is cool. And he's like, she's elegant. She presents herself well. And and I can totally. Yeah, that's but I don't know if Jones going to go for that.
popculturediner: I think she is going to go for like the teddy bears, but we'll talk about that.
Steve: Oh, yeah, I think Pascal is gonna stick around for a while just because he's got the great accent and he just seems fun and I personally like him.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: So hopefully Joan does too, at least a little bit.
popculturediner: her
Steve: um Also, And I love this about him and I think I'm gonna love this about all the guys. When we say on the show sometimes, like you'll have someone on and they'll be complaining about something or they'll do something stupid.
Steve: And you're like, the show's been on for 20 years. Do you not even watch the show?
popculturediner: Right.
Steve: This is a scenario where the answer is unequivocally, yes, I guarantee none of these men have ever watched the show.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: They don't know what's going on. And even towards the end when um you know, just jump forward it a little bit, but without giving too much away here. But when they're talking about the first impression rose and Pascal is like, what is the first impression rose?
Steve: And then and they're like, oh, it's just like, it's what it is. it's I think it's just like whoever gives the first best, you know, first impression, that's the best. And he's like, I would have thought I was trying to be subtle.
Steve: and It's like, I love you, Pascal.
popculturediner: Okay.
Steve: You're so French.
popculturediner: OK, that's so good. No. OK. And you you kind of made me remember something I wanted to bring up. I think I have a note about it later in my notes. But um I there I'm assuming and also we can kind of tell because of the footage there are Keith isn't the only girl dad.
popculturediner: There's a lot of.
Steve: Oh my God.
popculturediner: girl dads on the show, specifically because a lot of daughters put their dad's names in for the show.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: So we have all of these like, non toxic men who aren't afraid to like cry in front of each other and hug each other. And they're like, my daughters are the most important people in the world to me.
popculturediner: And they're on this show. And it's such a delight because I feel like we saw way more daughters than sons like on on the clips and stuff.
Steve: Mm.
popculturediner: So I think we're set up for success because girl dads are just the best.
Steve: Oh, absolutely.
popculturediner: So, yeah.
Steve: i I hope so, because I mean, my immediate concern is, you know, this is a cast of gentlemen, it largely white men over the age of 60, many of which have titles like Financial Advisor, Retired Banking CEO, and all and all my, or, you know, it's like, I'm from Alabama!
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Retired CEO, yeah, yeah.
Steve: And I'm just like, oh no, my my Republican alarms are going off.
popculturediner: Wow.
Steve: And so, that's that's the game that I'm playing. I'm just like, which one of these guys that I like are gonna have really terrible terrible conservative values that I don't agree with?
Steve: And they hate immigrants and they hate LGBTQ people. Like, that's just gonna happen.
popculturediner: Well, that's yeah, that's why you got to like, you know, you got to like pin your hopes and dreams on like the dad who's got like the queer daughter and, you know, partner and stuff.
Steve: and
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And it's like, yeah.
Steve: Oh, the guy's a chiropractor and yeah, his daughter is just like, Oh, I love her. She's great. Yeah.
popculturediner: Well, I don't know if I like the chiropractor. I'm just going to say that.
Steve: I just like his daughter though. That's, she seems cool.
popculturediner: No, yeah, she seems she seems cool, but that other that other guy.
Steve: I'm like, I'm not with you.
popculturediner: Oh, gosh, I have it way, way down in the notes. We'll get to it.
Steve: I mean, there's an insurance executive named chalk.
popculturediner: But yeah.
Steve: I'm very concerned about chalk. Name a good chalk.
popculturediner: Yeah, you don't you don't like his chocolate noodle soup. that's not You're not a fan of that.
Steve: No, no, if a guy is just like, hi, I'm an old white guy from Wichita, Kansas. My name is Chalk. I sell insurance. Would you like to slurp my soup? I would fucking run.
popculturediner: You'd say no, you'd say no. um Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if that goes anywhere. But OK, let's just let's just go down.
Steve: Sorry, let's just get into it, yeah.
popculturediner: So we've so we've got. OK, so we've got Kim, who is a retired Navy captain from Seattle. And what I am hoping and praying is that he gives us a little bit of Captain Lee, but I'm worried that he's not going to give us Captain Lee.
Steve: Oh, I was just calling him Captain Lee the entire time. I don't know what his name is.
popculturediner: I was like, I was like, I hope he goes, God damn it.
Steve: ah Yeah.
popculturediner: That's just all I get. And then he would win me over if he if he swears like caption Lee or uses like weird, you know, sayings, you know, like that you've just never heard anyone say before.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Then I'm like, I'm on board. I mean, I'm in for it. um But yeah, so he he was married, got divorced. Then he married a woman named Mary and they were together for eight and a half years and she passed away.
popculturediner: And so he's like, well, I got to open myself up to love again.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And And he, and he calls Joan a wonderful gal.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: And then my favorite part is that when he says hi to her, he says bye -bye like he's going to see her in a week, which is like really funny.
Steve: Yeah. This is another fun thing with these guys is like a lot of them I'm like, oh, you haven't like interacted with a woman in a non platonic manner in like a decade.
Steve: I don't know.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Like they're just so weird.
popculturediner: So they're like, pleasure doing business with you. And you're like, what?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And they're like, have your people call my people. And you're like, I don't really know what that is.
Steve: I'll send you an invoice. Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: It's so weird.
popculturediner: And you're like, uh, um, yeah, so we'll circle back to this later. Um, so yeah, so then we get to chalk and my question was, is the soup, what temperature is the soup?
Steve: ah It's got to be cold at this point. What do they got? Like a, like a little camping, like flame warmer thing underneath? No, no.
popculturediner: Yeah, I just like don't. Yeah, I just don't know about that. I'm just like totally not sure about it. um So that was that was the thing that concerned me about chalk is I was and I was like, Joan, is it really amazing and delicious?
popculturediner: It's probably cold. Can you just be honest? Come on.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Um, and then we get, and then we get to the guy who's probably got the deepest lore and I want to know every single thing about him.
Steve: Choc -a -doodle -soap. Yeah,
popculturediner: And I tried to find out some things about him and what I found just briefly on the internet was like amazing. But because these are all men in like their sixties, it's like hard to find information.
Steve: yeah they they like don't exist, basically.
popculturediner: Yeah, but Jonathan does have a LinkedIn um and he's a shipping consultant from Iowa. And he definitely, I don't know if he modeled or if he just kind of like dabbled in modeling type photos, um but he definitely like did his own photography. And then he did photography for like a musician, like a young musician in Iowa or Nebraska. I can't remember where. And it's one of like three people he's following on Twitter.
popculturediner: And he's only posted like three or four times about like his photography. And then like he retweeted someone saying, Oh my God, you got Twitter. which is just kind of delightful.
popculturediner: um But he did work for like like some pretty big companies and stuff. And then as far as I know, I'm not this is like a Google of a Google of a Google will know.
Steve: Hmm.
popculturediner: I mean, who's who knows?
Steve: Hmm.
popculturediner: But I sent this to Steve ah yesterday. I think he was part of a Supreme Court case in Iowa. um Yeah.
Steve: This is yeah, we haven't fully confirmed this, but it seems likely.
popculturediner: But like it' it's his same name. It's in Iowa. It would be really coincidental if it wasn't um because.
Steve: Yeah, and it's crazy. Like you read it, you're like, what?
popculturediner: Yeah. Basically, he was like the victim of a hate crime and um but the person against him was like, well, if it was him, someone or someone with his exact same first and last name.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um in Iowa. um And, and the person was like arguing that it was their First Amendment right to like be racist and the Supreme Court to their credit was like, no.
popculturediner: So, but anyway.
Steve: Yeah, what it's like, you can yell the racist things, I guess, and whatever, but like the fact that they're like, and then we beat him up, and then we did this, then we ran him off the road. It's like, you can't just do that.
popculturediner: They're like, you're not protected. You're not protected when you are violent. Yeah, it was really, it was really, really scary.
Steve: Oh my gosh, yeah.
popculturediner: um
Steve: The the whole thing is and is just wild. And, and this is the thing that I was just like, mind blown.
popculturediner: I was like, I don't know how in the weeds we're going to get with this, but I was like, this is so weird.
Steve: i just I just want to cover up on this thing too, because there are numerous parts in this story, where like the because they they lay it all out in this Supreme Court document, where they're like, oh.
Steve: And then they ask that you they're basically interviewing them both. And it could have easily been a he said, he said thing, and it probably wouldn't have gone anywhere.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: But the guy that was racist and horrible and assaulted him, um was so racist, he couldn't stop being racist for five minutes that the police officer who was taking his interview thing in like 1991 was just like, whoa, little two racists for me, a cop in Iowa in 1991, which tells you the level of racism we're at at that point.
popculturediner: Yeah, so scary. Yeah, so anyway, yes, thank you for recounting all the details because I kind of like scan through it and I was like, this is wild.
Steve: It's.
Steve: Oh,
popculturediner: And I knew you would read it all.
Steve: oh I was real into it.
popculturediner: I was like, I knew you would read that. But I'm like, it's got to be him. like there's just ah like it It's way too coincidental. But anyway, maybe sometime he'll talk about it.
Steve: Mm -hmm I hope so
popculturediner: I don't know. um But I was like, that's fascinating. And that's awful that that happened to him. But also, how interesting to be part of a Supreme Court ruling. I don't know. that that's that's like but he's got I mean he's got more stuff that we don't know about like he's got a rich backstory and I could just tell and I like am so curious about him but he also like obviously brings a lot of like enthusiasm and positivity to the show um just despite the fact that he um
popculturediner: you know, felt like he got blindsided in a divorce, but his children are his joy. And he's got a cute dog and he says family comes first. And I don't know, he seems really put together.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: We'll see how far he makes it. I think I mean, all the men were like, you're the front runner. And I was like, yeah, you're probably not wrong. um And then we meet Jordan, and who was like, ah not the front runner, but he was just
Steve: Oh boy.
Steve: Though this guy is a mess.
popculturediner: He's so awkward.
Steve: You talk about like the nervous, awkward energy of some of the men on this show, and Jordan is just like all of it.
popculturediner: But he's got a, you know, but he's like cool dad, queer kid, like ah good, good.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I think he is really a good guy. I just don't think he's been for TV, but he did kind of redeem himself later. But he was ah like, I was like, oh, this is so awkward. I haven't seen this awkward of an exchange in a while.
popculturediner: um It was really sweet. It kind of reminded me of like early seasons of The Bachelor. So Jordan, there's always got to be one. and You were that one this time, but I think he probably will.
popculturediner: Yeah, recover a little bit better. um Why did I say Michael's a retired banker who forgot his own name? Did he forget his own name?
Steve: I don't recall that from his intro, but it's possible.
popculturediner: Okay, well, apparently I wrote that down.
Steve: All these guys were like fumbling bad. like Even like the guys who try to make cool dude entrances, you know it's like, oh, I'm riding it on a horse.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Oh no, my horse has run away and there's a production assistant chasing it down. like
popculturediner: That was so weird. Oh, my God. I thought that was so funny. I was like, I was like, they're just they're just letting it go.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Like, is no one going to do anything?
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Uh, then we kind of get into like, um, the montage territory. So, oh, Gary, I like Gary.
Steve: No.
popculturediner: He seems fun. He's a retired finance executive from Palm desert and he just starts dancing and he's like, got a good goofy vibe. I don't know if he'll last that long, but like, he seems fun.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Like I think he'll be a good person to be in the house for a while.
Steve: Oh, for sure, for sure.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Gary, I mean, if there was like an old folks paradise, Gary would be on it, but I don't think there is.
popculturediner: Oh my God. Oh, don't even tease me. That would be incredible.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And they could do it in Palm Desert.
Steve: the the
popculturediner: He would be so happy.
Steve: They could. Oh my gosh, the olds love Palm Springs.
popculturediner: Um, he would be so thrilled. So anyway, uh, and then we have, um, Greg, who's a retired university VP. And he's like, I'm retired now. So I work for sand dollars.
popculturediner: And, uh, he reminds me of my old family doctor. So it's kind of interesting. Um, but he, it's not him.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It's a different guy. Um, and then, oh, Pablo, I want to know, wait, did Pablo go home?
Steve: Oh, Pablo went home.
popculturediner: I want to know more about Pablo. He's a retired UN n agency director. Hello. I just want to talk to Pablo.
Steve: Yeah, let me tell you about Pablo. I'm gonna tell you everything about him.
popculturediner: you Did you Google Pablo?
Steve: ah No, no, he's like, this is this is my experience with Pablo is I saw like glimpses of him in the beginning, obviously.
popculturediner: Oh.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And then at the end, when they're doing the rose ceremony, there's one point where they scan over. And I'm like, who's that guy?
popculturediner: And you're like, oh, Pablo.
Steve: No one in the history of any Bachelor Night One series premiere, whatever, season premiere, has ever gotten less screen time than Pablo.
popculturediner: Here we go.
Steve: Pablo, has he was buried completely.
popculturediner: Yeah, I was like, I want to know so much about Pablo and.
Steve: Oh, just, yeah, he's got the cool job, come on.
popculturediner: I know also he's from Maryland, isn't Joan from Maryland, isn't she in Maryland?
Steve: Maybe? I know, that sounds about right.
popculturediner: I'm pretty sure um I just I just looked up her LinkedIn last night because hers is still active because I was like, what?
Steve: ah Let me tell you about Pablo. His fun facts include he has a degree in geographical engineering.
popculturediner: OK. OK.
Steve: Cool.
popculturediner: So cool. Very cool.
Steve: Pablo has a tough time controlling himself around ice cream. You and me both, buddy.
popculturediner: Same.
Steve: ah Pablo doesn't have a travel bucket list because he wants to go everywhere.
popculturediner: No.
Steve: Yeah, he runs ultra marathons.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: He likes watching rugby. He's a sucker for a rom -com. He cries. ah He's a big believer that we can learn, play, and explore new things at any age.
popculturediner: He just.
popculturediner: He just seemed like so good and I was like, I want to know.
Steve: No. He volunteers as an EMT. Come on.
popculturediner: Seriously, as soon as I saw Pablo, I was like, I need to know everything about this man. I'm so excited.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I can't wait to see.
Steve: but As soon as you saw him for five seconds.
popculturediner: ah Well, when he said hi, I was like, I was like, retired UN agency director.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I need to know. Yeah. So Joan, um, works, she still works, um, in Bethesda, Maryland.
Steve: Oh, Bethesda, okay.
popculturediner: Um, yeah. In alumni relations and annual giving for Landon school, which is like a private, like three through 12, third through 12th grade school.
Steve: Oh. isn't Isn't that where, I mean, yeah, that's ah that's where University of Maryland is, isn't it?
popculturediner: Um.
Steve: In Bethesda?
popculturediner: Could be.
Steve: Go Terps? Yeah, I think so.
popculturediner: Maybe. um She went to the University of Maryland. She got her bachelor's degree in computer science. Isn't that cool? In the 80s.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: I think that's fucking badass.
Steve: In the 80s, yeah, back when that was like a really good idea, but nobody knew how good of an idea it was.
popculturediner: Yeah, she's really cool. um Yeah, and then she she's really mostly just been I think in schools. um Well, I don't know what she did before 2015, if she would just mostly was a housewife or if she worked or what. um But her um her LinkedIn experience starts in 2015. And then, yeah, she also ah was self -employed. She did like interior design stuff, which I totally could see.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So she's, she's a woman of many talents. Okay. Um, pretty cool. So anyway, yeah. So I was like, I was like, Oh man, like this, this seems like perfect. And then he didn't make it. I'm like,
popculturediner: No, Pablo.
Steve: Now,
popculturediner: Justice for Pablo. Oh, my God.
Steve: Yeah. Sorry Pablo. Never going to see you again.
popculturediner: He seemed so cool. Anyway, I was like really sad. ah Yeah. And then we've got Bob, the chiropractor from Marina Del Rey. And like, listen, I'm not saying that there aren't good chiropractors.
popculturediner: I've just had a lot of bad educational experiences in the last few years with chiropractors. So I'm just being judgy.
Steve: Oh, yeah, it is. It is like one of and again, this is not to disparage all chiropractors. ah Hashtag not all chiropractors. However, ah it is like one of the quackiest professions because like you can just be like, hey, I'm a chiropractor. Like it's not like when you're a doctor and there's a very specific level of schooling that you have to take. Like there are very like like medically aligned like like sports medicine type chi chiropractors who like really study shit and really go to reputable schools.
Steve: And there's also straight up like quackery shit out there.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah So you got to be careful with that.
popculturediner: Yeah, I used to get I mean, I used to go and I used to get like tissue therapy with like, um whatever that is, like ultrasound therapy, um which I would get from physical therapists to like, it's, you know, just supposed to help like aid in tissue repair and like, and pretty like minimal and gentle
Steve: Really careful.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: interventions outside of that. But then and and I worked with someone who very much stayed in scope and like was a very nice person. So like I have nothing bad to say about him. But when I found out that like I had no idea until just recently that the origins of the profession were like a ghost told me this.
Steve: Mm -hmm, yeah, it's fun, it's real fun.
popculturediner: A ghost told me that I'm like, I need to make a deep dive video about that. I need to know more.
Steve: Yeah, no, like the more the more you get into it and then also it's just like, what's the number one day way to go to a doctor and just immediately die?
popculturediner: I'm so curious because
Steve: And the answer is go to the chiropractor and he gives you an adjustment and then you just drop dead because he snapped your neck, yeah.
popculturediner: Scary, scary, scary.
Steve: Very scary, but maybe this guy's fine, I don't know.
popculturediner: Anyway, I went to school. Maybe he's not, but I'm just saying I'm holding him at arm's length. That's all I'm saying.
Steve: Yeah, that's fine.
popculturediner: But I, you know, like I'm going to school for nutrition and I started in a program that I had no idea was mostly run by chiropractors. I thought I'd be, you know, learning from, I don't know, licensed dietitians.
Steve: Yeah, and one would assume.
popculturediner: Just by thought, apparently not. So now I learn from dietitians.
Steve: Well, just your back with a snack. It's nutrition.
popculturediner: Yeah, I'm like, OK, now, yeah, now my teachers are dieticians and food scientists anyway. um So then we meet Jack and I don't know if I love or hate Jack.
Steve: Mmm, he's I I love him more than anything in the entire world Here's why he's either your favorite uncle or he's the uncle who gets uninvited from Thanksgiving because he said something racist We don't know um but he's a south side sugar.
popculturediner: I am not sure.
popculturediner: OK, you.
popculturediner: Right. But you love him either way.
Steve: I mean not either way, but I'm just like I'm hoping I'm hoping it gets home.
popculturediner: Just asking.
Steve: Don't don't try it like preemptively cancel me
popculturediner: I'm like, oh, you also, you, so you don't care. You don't care. Oh, so be sure to be Thanksgiving dinner or just let him say some fuck shit.
Steve: Yeah. He's, he's invited. My thanks, Gary. yeah
popculturediner: Okay. Good to know. Um, yeah, no, but I think, you know, okay. Like my dad, uh, sorry, dad, well, he's not gonna listen. My mom's gonna listen though, but my dad's got like, like a South side Milwaukee accent, which is very similar to a South side Chicago accent.
popculturediner: So there's just something very familiar about Jack, for sure.
Steve: Oh, we all, if you live in the Midwest, you know this guy. Like you 100 % know this guy.
popculturediner: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Steve: you You might be this guy, you might be related to this guy, but you definitely know this guy. um Here's why I love him.
popculturediner: OK.
Steve: One, you get no, like there's no pretension, there's no bullshit.
popculturediner: No.
Steve: You 100 % know what you're getting with this man. Two, he knows that he is not the most handsome guy here by a long shot.
popculturediner: Oh, yeah, he knows that.
Steve: Like he's like, I am at best mid, I'm probably mid low. So what does he do? He's like, and and he admits this willingly because he's also a humble man, which is good.
Steve: But he's like, I got two things I could cook and I could sing so I gotta do my two things. And he does his two things.
popculturediner: Yeah. And he's like, he's like, I think she liked my singing.
Steve: He literally does his two things.
popculturediner: I think she liked it. um So, yeah. So really, really sweet. OK, so first of all, I loved the jacket. The pink jacket. Amazing.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: Big fan loved it. Loved it. I actually think most of the men dress very well.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: So but I think his jacket in particular was very good. um And but I was like what but then you start panning down and I'm like what is going on with the pants socks and the shoes I didn't feel like they all went together It was like the top and the bottom did not I was like I would think black pants but he was wearing like khaki pants and then like white socks and black shoes I think and I was just like
Steve: No, probably not.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: just Just let him live, man, you know?
popculturediner: He did it his way. He did it his way. Like, listen, you know, and he's thinking my way and whatever. And then, and then he's like, and then he's like, I actually think I did okay. And then he's like, she's freaking hot.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Which was really sweet.
Steve: It's just like, again, like it reminds me of growing up near Detroit, like all the like Teamster union dads that like, this is what they do.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: This is just them, but this is the Southside Chicago caterer version of, of a Teamster dad.
popculturediner: yeah
popculturediner: Yeah, this is like, yeah. And this is like Southside Milwaukee contractor for sure. Like, yeah, it's like.
Steve: Yeah. I work in a factory. in kaaey
popculturediner: Yeah, I get I would get on calls with guys that sound like that. And then I start sounding like that. You know, it's like bad, but, you know, that's it's that or it's Oshkosh. You know, those are the ones that's what I can do. That's what I because that's what I grew up with. um But yeah, so I was like, yeah, that's really I don't know. I think he's a yeah he's like, she's freaking hot. But I'm like, I just don't know. I got to decide if I like him or not.
popculturediner: Um, but I will say, I think he handled it really well when Charles tried to mansplain in the kitchen.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Um, cause I was like, excuse me, Charles. Why do you assume he doesn't know what he's doing? Okay. He's like, if you need any help, he goes.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: Like I need help. Come on.
Steve: but
popculturediner: And he's like, I think I got it. I think I got it. and wouldn He was nice about it, but I was like, come on, let's not, let's not mansplain each other in this kitchen. But I think Charles was just trying to be helpful, but I was also like, don't assume he doesn't know what he's doing.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Come on.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: He's all about what I'm hoping for. What I'm hoping and praying for is that we get a Charles and Jack cookoff.
Steve: Oh, that'd be fun.
popculturediner: We need it. I would love to. And I think, I think this season is, um, like teeing up to be like the golden bachelor. where I think the men are all going to be friends with each other, and they're going to want to do fun things in the house together.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And so I am like, please let this be the start of them kind of having like a friendly rivalry. And then they like compete in the kitchen or do like a chopped thing or something like that would be really fun.
Steve: Yeah, and this is gonna be the real takeaway. Okay, so someone's gonna get to go home with Joan and that's wonderful, because she seems wonderful.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: These men though, what they really need in their lives, they don't need love. I mean, maybe they do. They need like healthy, positive male friendships, which I don't think most boomer age men have.
popculturediner: her
Steve: So like, yeah, but get some buds.
popculturediner: I think we're going to have so many good bonding moments on this season. And that's my favorite thing to watch. I love watching everybody be friends and like have fun. And like, I actually like that way more than drama.
Steve: Oh, and then we're going to get like, we're going to get updates later or just be like, Oh, my daughter showed me how to use FaceTime. And they're just like FaceTiming each other because they love each other.
popculturediner: Yeah, so cute. So cute.
Steve: It's going to be great.
popculturediner: So cute. Oh my god. And I mean, that's what we got with the Golden Bachelor. Like all these women are like really good friends with each other now and like hang out and and get into little high drinks and it's so cute.
popculturediner: And then we get to, you know, hear about, um, how Susan has like really bad digestive issues, but you know, she's also can officiate weddings.
Steve: Mm hmm. Great. I love it.
popculturediner: So anyway, so, okay. So then, yeah, so Charles is a retired data analyst. Charles is very cute. I'm like, I'm like criticizing him, but he is very cute.
popculturediner: He's got two daughters and I love that he introduced himself.
Steve: Wait, is he the one that that like walked in? He's like, I'm fake with a cane, but now I don't need a cane.
popculturediner: No. no
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: that's the other charles
Steve: That's the other Charles.
popculturediner: no
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: yeah that's the other term i that
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: shit pisses me off. But anyway, i Sammy's mad.
Steve: I know but when that was happening, I was just like, say we so mad right now.
popculturediner: Sammy's still mad right now. Yeah. But like, no, Charles is the one he's been married for. Like if he was married for like 30, gosh, I don't even know how long he is the one who introduced himself and said, I'm he was the one who, first of all, said, Jack, do you need any help with the kitchen?
popculturediner: But he also said, I'm 66, but I look 36 and he's got two daughters.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: His wife passed away six years ago. And he said she was my first and only love. um And oh, this was a great moment because he got a package, you know, and he said, um like, I want to find a lot of happiness here.
popculturediner: And he's in his like basement bar and it says happy hour behind.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: And I was like, that was like a really nice editing moment. um And then and he's like and then he made an 80s joke and he's like, Charles is not in charge. Joan, you're in charge forever.
popculturediner: And you need to know that he did a good job.
Steve: Yeah, Charles, a hundred percent a sweet man, well -meaning zero game.
popculturediner: No, zero game.
Steve: I'm guessing ah maybe, maybe, maybe not the highest on the emotional intelligence scale, but we'll see. We'll see.
popculturediner: Yeah, I think he's gonna be, that's why I'm saying the value I want to see him bring to this house is that he has a cook off with Jack. Cause I, please, please, I wanna see that happen.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um Then we have Guy.
Steve: We do want to see that.
popculturediner: I don't know how I feel about Guy either. I'm gonna be really honest. um He's an ER doctor from Reno. um
Steve: Oh no, immediate red flags.
popculturediner: He's giving me weird vibes, right?
Steve: No, the moment the moment that he like walked on the screen, I was like, he's already cheating on Joan somehow. I don't know how, but he's doing it.
popculturediner: Yeah, I don't know what it is. It's like, I'm just like, I don't trust them.
Steve: i
popculturediner: I don't trust them. And then he's like, you smell this cologne and you know it's guy. And I was like. so I don't like him.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Okay. Great. Yeah. So then we see the other Charles and I'm just, yeah, that was such an egg. We're going to just move on. Um, then, okay. Oh, and then I just had a note. ah Apparently Jack said something cause I have in my notes.
popculturediner: Jack is either going to be my favorite or my least favorite. Um, then we have Ken from Boston and he says to Joan that she's wicked awesome.
Steve: Wicked awesome.
popculturediner: These are these are all kind of ah just quick montage things. Dan, the private investigator from Naples, Florida.
Steve: Mm
popculturediner: I also got the egg from him. um And then some guy, I don't know, gives her a hug.
Steve: -hmm.
popculturediner: And then and then Jack, they interviewed Jack and he's like, I don't feel any pressure at all. She likes my singing. um And then, oh, Christopher, I like Christopher.
Steve: Exactly.
popculturediner: He's a contractor from Brooklyn and he brought prune juice to get things regular by the end of the night.
Steve: Ew.
popculturediner: Fine.
Steve: I guess better than soup.
popculturediner: Honestly, I'm into it.
Steve: But also like in my head, I'm just like, you're going to be here until 3am. Joan knows this, right?
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Like you're going to be here and maybe till the crack of dawn. I don't want the off chance that I'm going to have to take like um an emergency poop.
popculturediner: Well, if if it affects you that fast, there's probably worse things going on in your life.
Steve: Like that doesn't seem good.
popculturediner: You probably got some other things you got to contend with.
Steve: I don't know. Old people, they got they got sensitive tummy sometimes. You don't know.
popculturediner: Okay, well, that's true. um Then we get RJ who is a man in finance and he watches TikTok um because he's like, I'm looking for a man in finance.
Steve: ah
popculturediner: ah And he's like, I'm 65.
Steve: or his daughter told him to say that.
popculturediner: aye Yeah, probably, but it was cute. I was cute and it was current at the time they filmed this.
Steve: Mm -hmm, that's true.
popculturediner: Now it feels like ancient history. Um, but yo, and it's even in his bio, we should go through some more of these bios after this looking for a man in finance, six foot five golden Besser at cast member.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Well, look no further than RJ RJ is the happiest person he knows. And he's ready to share all that happiness with a special someone. He may be in his golden years, but he says us old guys are so vibrant and suitable for love.
popculturediner: When he isn't working, RJ lets play poker and golf, of course he does, and enjoys good food with good friends.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: His guilty pleasures are warm chocolate chip cookies and long walks on the beach. He did the tapes. He did those tapes in the 80s. He did those dating tapes, right?
Steve: Hmm. Oh, for sure he had to.
popculturediner: um um RJ is looking for his forever single bunny and is hoping Joan is the storybook ending.
Steve: Ew.
popculturediner: He's interviewing yourself. He could find the butterflies. He's looking for it.
Steve: Why is Snuggle Bunny so upsetting to me? I just don't.
popculturediner: I don't know because we say it in our house. Sorry, we're really we're so you'll say it like that.
Steve: snuggle bunny bunny come here my little snuggle bunny no it's just it's very of mice and men i can't a
popculturediner: We also say any we say honey for me. and mean Uh, sorry. Okay. Wow. Um, we're never going to think about that the same.
popculturediner: Um, RG's favorite Christmas movie is diehard negative 5 ,000 points. Um, uh, I hate when everybody says that.
Steve: I don't know, because I mean, good really good really good movie, but also it's just like, what's the most like dated thing you can say? It's just like, epic bacon, favorite Christmas movies, diehard, er, like, but he but he's 60.
popculturediner: Yeah, it should be kiss, kiss, bang, bang. So it's just the wrong answer.
Steve: Just the wrong answer.
popculturediner: It's just the wrong answer. You're just wrong. I don't know why you wouldn't pick a Shane Black movie as your favorite Christmas movie.
Steve: ah Because Arnold Schwarzenegger made Jingle all the way.
popculturediner: That's a miss. That's your jingle. all The way is a good choice as well. It's a good choice as well. um RJ has been to 47 in the United States. Gremlins is also a really good choice for best Christmas movie or way more interesting choices.
Steve: It's a good one.
popculturediner: ah RJ loves to read spy novels because he's 66 and that's all you stock on the shelf.
Steve: I know, that's like saying like, oh, wait, RJ's in his sixties and he likes reading about World War II, shock of the century.
popculturediner: at half price books. That's all I stocked was in spy novels.
Steve: Why do old guys love war?
popculturediner: Oh, my.
Steve: When does that happen? Does that happen to every guy?
popculturediner: I don't know.
Steve: Like, am I going to get into an age where I'm just like, I just read the the biography of a civil war general.
popculturediner: You tell me.
Steve: Why why does that happen to men?
popculturediner: I don't know. So far, it hasn't happened to talk, but I'll let you know he's ahead of us. So he'll he'll be the one that he is.
Steve: Okay. If it starts happening, let me know so I could take precautionary measures.
popculturediner: and
popculturediner: He is really into birds. I will say okay, my favorite thing when I worked at half price books there. So first of all, I just like loved asking people about the books they read and maybe some people enjoyed that and some people didn't but I don't care if that's what you're getting for me. Okay, like when you come to my counter. I'm bored. I'm standing there. I've already done all the sorting and I'm just sitting here waiting for you to give me something to do right.
popculturediner: So I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited. And in the morning, it was fun too, especially on like weekday mornings, because it would be pretty dead. But that's when you'd see like all the senior citizens come in to buy stuff or like the really little kids, you know, like they're too young to go to school.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So they're coming in and they're getting like picture books. So it was my favorite time of the week was like, you know, early weekday mornings. and there was like this one like cute little old lady and she came up and she got her books you know she's talking to me about him and she's like she basically said like I just love books about murder and she was like so cute and she was just like she was like this one's about a serial killer you know and you're like okay yeah and you like stab someone with some knitting needles it was interesting and I was like wow this is pretty cool um
Steve: Ha ha ha.
Steve: Ray!
Steve: Go off, Gladys!
popculturediner: Anyway, so so I mean, and it was like an author I'd never heard of. So I was like, at least at at least you're keeping it interesting. Because it's like, if I see one more person, bring like, you know, James Patterson, or Tom Clancy, or like, Danielle Steele, or God, what's that other like,
popculturediner: There's like one romance author that I saw so much. um Anyway, there's like it's like they took up so much real estate on our shelves and we still like tried to keep at least one of each of their books, but they wrote so many books.
popculturediner: It's like it's like you think Stephen King doesn't take up that much space. Like, you know what I mean?
Steve: No, James Patterson is like, I think he's like the best selling author, like like individual author, but only because he's written like 700 books and they all get sold at Walgreens to old people.
popculturediner: Yeah, I don't know.
Steve: So what are you gonna do?
popculturediner: He's just trying to catch up to Elrond Hubbard. I think that's what it is.
Steve: It's gotta be it.
popculturediner: Could you I mean, do you know that Elrond? I mean, I don't know if it's like 100 percent true, but like apparently he was like this huge pulp writer and he wrote like a thousand books or something like that.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: I know I know he wrote a lot of books, but yeah, it's but but then it's like how many of them are actually like published and available?
popculturediner: He might still hold the record.
Steve: I don't know, as opposed to just like in a library in Provo, Utah somewhere.
popculturediner: Yeah. Well, yeah.
popculturediner: Well, I don't know. He wrote like, you know, like the penny pulps and stuff. So some of them were probably under pen names and stuff like that.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: But anyway, I think that's really interesting. And I'm like, has anybody and and also I even though there's a lot that's not to be believed about, you know, a charlatan who runs like ah an alleged cult, I'm not trying to get them on our ass.
popculturediner: um I still, for some reason, like 100 percent believe that he was the one that wrote all those books. Like, I don't think he had a ghostwriter like some people like somebody we might have just previously mentioned maybe has a ghostwriter.
Steve: Haha, maybe yeah I'm Captain Lee.
popculturediner: Maybe I heard that somewhere anyway. So, yeah, so RJ. OK, so then, oh, Kim, OK, we got to look at Kim's bio because, yeah, he's like, I'm really impressed with my brethren.
popculturediner: um
Steve: I did army for a long time sailboat Navy, whatever.
popculturediner: Well, he did Navy Navy Army, but he looks like Captain Lee.
Steve: Yeah
popculturediner: It's so interesting. um And he's from Seattle. um So let's see. He enjoys spending time on a sailboat. No shit. And dreams of taking Joan for a romantic ride as the sun goes down.
popculturediner: He's a man of integrity who says he loves making the most of life at any age. He's sincere and generous. He's a proud father and grandfather. He's ready for love and hopes to make his future partner feel special.
popculturediner: His ideal date night includes cooking dinner together. and enjoying it in the backyard. One more contender for the cook off. Kim loves an old fashioned, wait, oh, and hopes to toast to him.
Steve: o
popculturediner: and Isn't when it's a drink, isn't there no hyphen?
Steve: Hmm Not sure I don't think so I I don't do you want me to grab my APL style in my AP style guide right now do I?
popculturediner: Or is there a hyphen?
popculturediner: I'm like, gotta Google it.
popculturediner: Yes, please grab your actually, where's mine?
Steve: Wait ready, let's see you can get theirs first ready one two three go but ha
popculturediner: How what? No, you're going to you're going to get yours first. I don't know where mine is.
popculturediner: Yeah, I don't know where mine is and I'm not getting up.
Steve: Suck it nerd, I grabbed mine in three seconds.
popculturediner: Wow, that's embarrassing.
Steve: Yeah, sorry. i know But i I don't know the answer.
popculturediner: No, that's OK. Now I'm just like, where is mine?
Steve: Also, mine's out of date, or almost out of date.
popculturediner: Yeah, mine's heinously out of date. Anyway, so old fashioned does not have a hyphen according to the Internet.
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: So anyway, I looked at that, I was like, He loves an old -fashioned what? And then it just says, Kim loves an old -fashioned in hopes to toast. And I was like, oh, so no hyphen. In hopes to toast to him and joke.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It's not modifying anything.
Steve: I, I'm reading his bio at the exact same time and I had the exact same trip up.
popculturediner: Annoying.
Steve: I think it's because of the spacing on it too. I was, cause it's like, loves an old fashioned. And then it was like, it was like a line break on the, where I'm reading it from.
popculturediner: Oh, not for me. um
Steve: And I was like an old fashioned, an old fashioned and this is like, this is too old.
popculturediner: You know, fashion, what? um Sounds like you come. He's an excellent whistler. That also makes sense. His favorite food as a child was clam cakes.
Steve: Like.
popculturediner: He would love to learn how to play the piano.
Steve: This is, this is all like, like, this is just, this is the oldest old guy stuff.
popculturediner: Well, what's happening, Kim?
popculturediner: That's kind of funny shit. That's funny shit.
Steve: Excellent Whistler. Yes. Because all guys are all good at whistling.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Clam cakes. Cause all guys are like, my favorite food is a Shash Perilla. Boo, boo, boo. And you're like, that's not real. And then you Google it.
popculturediner: Clam cakes.
Steve: It's just like a popular regional food in 1927. Yeah. Clam cakes, bro. No one's ever had that.
popculturediner: Clam cakes like he could say crab cakes and everyone would be like, sounds great.
Steve: Yeah. You made that up. No.
popculturediner: And he's like, you know what?
Steve: Love that.
popculturediner: I love clam cakes. yeah
Steve: Also odd that it's like it has the, like it was when he was a child, like not.
popculturediner: Maybe they taste great and we're just absolute haters. Oh, actually, they look pretty good.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Because they're like, they're like, they're like ah dumplings.
Steve: i
popculturediner: Kinda. They're like, ah it's yeah, they said think like a clam beignet or a donut hole. Only savory, crispy golden brown on the outside. They're like fritters.
Steve: Interesting.
popculturediner: Like, that's good. But why are they called clam cakes? That sounds so much more unappetizing than these look legitimately good.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Sorry, everyone in Maine.
Steve: i Yeah, sorry we were talking shit. i it's anyway I'm gonna be in Maine in like a month, so I'll i'll eat some clam cakes and let you know how it goes.
popculturediner: OK, anyway.
popculturediner: Yeah, you were really like, I got to get me some clam cakes.
Steve: Clam cakes, my my buddy, kim Captain Kim Lee said that it's the best.
popculturediner: Gil, I also like I want to see more of Gil. He's an educator. I would like to know more. I want to think that the two of them would connect on education stuff.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So I want to see that.
Steve: What do you think of Keith Gordon, who looks like acclaimed sports broadcaster, Rich Eisen?
popculturediner: Wait, hold on. Keith. Oh, well, we're going to get to we're going to get to Keith. I think very shortly.
Steve: Big Keith.
popculturediner: Yeah, girl, dad, Keith. Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I like Keith. I think Keith is going to go very far.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um But real quick, let's run through a couple other dudes real quick. Okay. Bill retired videographer, close talker.
Steve: Mm.
popculturediner: Oh my God. He was so close to her.
Steve: Yep. Yeah.
popculturediner: I was like, they were, they were like this. I was like, okay. Uh, and then they're like, no shortage of.
Steve: Which is why he's gone.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: That's...
popculturediner: Yeah. He was just too close. Then they're like, no shortage of stallions in the stable. And then David comes out on a horse and he's a rancher, but apparently cannot keep, keep a horse in one place.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
popculturediner: And he was like, sure.
Steve: Nope.
popculturediner: He was like, well, I thought maybe we would go for a ride away horse and Jones like it's gone.
Steve: That's why he raises cattle and not stallions.
popculturediner: And he was like, he was like, what? Oh, no. So yeah, that was kind of embarrassing. Then we get to Keith. um Yeah, so he's a girl dad from San Jose. He's been the sole parent for the last 12 years. He had to separate from his ex -wife and give his daughter stability because she had issues with addiction. um His daughters look very sweet. And I think he's gonna go super far. I think he's doing great. I mean, he got the first impression rose, first of all.
popculturediner: like
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah. And and he's got a good personality. Like he seems really sweet and good.
Steve: Oh yeah, he seems like a normal guy, like which is great.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: and And this is good too because when when the when the gentlemen are older, it allows the the the bachelor as like a a franchise to toy with like, what if someone isn't conventionally handsome or doesn't have like rippling abs or something?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: So hopefully it's like, give give us some guys who look like guys. like
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: You want to talk about like all these, yeah I think almost everyone here is a dad. like that is They're all talking about their kids.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: I mean, I can't say everyone is, but you want to talk about a guy who looks like a dad?
popculturediner: Yeah, pretty much everyone.
Steve: Keith looks like a dad.
popculturediner: Right.
Steve: This is this is and this is everyone's father.
popculturediner: Well, yeah. he fully embraces it yeah he's like he's like i am a girl dad okay so first of all you need to know that i'm a girl dad and i embrace it um yes okay so but his bios are interesting um so he lights up every room he walks into a grade and he talks about you know and he gets a package and he's like oh i'm like pretty loud and i was like yeah he seems loud
Steve: Yeah. Okay. Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: um But like in a not like I'm embarrassed to be around you kind of way, I feel like because he was like outside using his outside voice.
Steve: Yeah, it's naturally loud.
popculturediner: Let's find um he's a sales director, father of three. He's loving, smart and creative. He's also six five. um He's a social butterfly with a big personality to match. He's dedicated most of his adult life to being a single dad and raising his daughters.
popculturediner: But the soon to be empty nester is ready to put himself first and prioritize finding love. Makes sense why we'd come on the show now. Uh, when Keith falls for someone, he falls hard and fast and hoping, is hoping Joan could be the one for him.
popculturediner: Keith believes age is just a number and says younger people shouldn't be scared of growing older, getting older rocks. Uh, Keith's guilty pleasure is Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Same Keith, and says he can never have just one scoop.
popculturediner: He's ready to love Joan un -cone -ditionally. Uh, he's the king of cornhole or bags, as he calls it.
Steve: Ice cream.
popculturediner: His life goal is to play a round of golf at Augusta National and Keith had the best time at Stagecoach this past year.
Steve: He's already, he's already part of Ashlar Nation.
popculturediner: Oh my God. He's like, I'm there. I'm in, I'm doing it. I'm going to Stagecoach.
Steve: Oh my God.
popculturediner: So look out for Keith.
Steve: He's, watch out, watch out ladies.
popculturediner: Look out for Keith, everybody. Yeah, I think Keith is ah was such an obvious first impression rose choice. I was like, yeah, for sure.
popculturediner: You're going to put Keith in the running.
Steve: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah, he's super cool and normal. And yeah, he's like ah he's a dad and he's a guy. He's like a dad on a sitcom. So anyway, then we get a special, a very special memo.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yes. And Kelsey.
Steve: Tell me more.
popculturediner: Well, Kelsey, if I was up.
Steve: Yeah. Well, wait, because first it's like, well, that's all the men just kidding. There's one more very special demo coming, which
popculturediner: And then they're like, is that a woman? And they're like, yeah, it's a woman. what you Yes.
Steve: In my head though, I'm like, I hope that she hates whoever steps out of the limo and then they just get cut the first night. Cause that would be super funny if they like built it up.
popculturediner: Yeah. Oh, you didn't know that Mark was going to be on the show.
Steve: Oh, I knew, I knew, but I'm saying like, cause like Joan didn't know, but if she's like, yeah.
popculturediner: Oh, okay. Yeah. And she's like, Oh, no, you can just, you can just return him. I'm not going to pick him for anything.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: Um, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, listen, we, well, we see in the preview that she says, I love you, Mark. She says those words, but we don't know why. But again, they all kind of, they, these older folks kind of fly fast and loose with their love and appreciation.
Steve: Oh, they're throwing around willy -nilly. Yeah, they're there're and they're in like...
popculturediner: Yeah. So it's, so it doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily mean what it means on the bachelor. The rules are different and I am working on getting a board. Okay.
popculturediner: Did you measure that piece of cardboard?
Steve: Yes, I did. I feel like it's the problem is is like the the length it isn't the issue so much. It's that the height it's just too short. It needs more.
Steve: It needs more and these a little bit more.
popculturediner: Okay okay i'm okay i'm working on finding a like a felt board to present the heads of everyone to you, I do think it's not as critical for this, as it will be for like the bachelor but i'm going to try to get it together at some point before things advance too far in the golden bachelorette.
Steve: We need to go slightly bigger.
Steve: Yeah. who Also, the the world needs to know that apparently my ah most manly man trait, because I share this with Sammy's husband, Tuck, is she sends me this felt board. She's like, what do you think of this? And I'm like, hmm. And then I look at the measurements. I'm like, I'm going to cut out a piece of cardboard to these exact measurements and hold it up to see if I think that it, and she's like, that's what Tuck does. Like, yeah, that's, because cardboard, it like, it solves all kinds of problems.
popculturediner: Yeah, I said he thinks that cutting something out of cardboard will just solve every problem. And you said it solves most problems or a lot of problems.
Steve: It dies.
popculturediner: And I was like, and I actually screenshotted our conversation and I sent it to Doug.
Steve: Yeah. And he was like, Steve's right.
popculturediner: And I was like, and he was like, yeah, like why? And he just started laughing when he got to the end.
Steve: Yeah. This is people always talk about, you know, guys and they're like, they're Roman empire.
popculturediner: He was like, oh, that's so funny. But
Steve: For me, it's cardboard. It's just like, what do I, what am I?
popculturediner: Yeah, it's so funny. I think that's such like a great I i was going to bring it up if you hadn't brought it up the cardboard thing because I thought that was so funny, like that you just volunteered that.
popculturediner: And I'm like, that's my entire life. Like there is probably a piece of cardboard on the other side of this desk because we were auditioning a size for a new desk. I'm working on building a new desk.
popculturediner: And so I was trying to decide, do I want like 72 by 30 or do I want to go 72 by 39 or is that going to be too deep?
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And so, Tuck was like, hold on, I think I got a piece of cardboard that'll work.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: If not, I'll tape two together.
Steve: Yeah, I have some exceptionally like, yeah, I've got some exceptionally large boxes, which I have not recycled specifically because I'm like, no, this is my measuring cardboard.
popculturediner: And then, and then he like writes on it and...
popculturediner: It's so I just it never occurs to me, but that's why, you know, that's yeah, that's perfect.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: So anyway. um Yeah, so Mark shows up on the show and um he gets a package to talk about, like, I know what perfect is and, you know, all that stuff like he's got, you know, everybody's got a sad backstory.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah, so I don't know. I'm not rooting for Mark just because it's because I want to be a punk like that.
Steve: I think, well, first of all, I don't i don't believe in plants. I'm sorry. You cannot like try and like juice your position just because your daughter was on The Bachelor and she's with Joey and whatever.
Steve: like I don't think so. ah So I'm against that. I don't like this and like this like nepotism thing that's going on. Don't believe in it. ah Second of all, when we're playing Steve's favorite game, which is who is a conservative Trump guy,
Steve: This is like my number one. he He has got to be. okay so let's Let's look at the bingo card, and these are indicators. He's from Leesville, Louisiana, and he's a white man who's 57 years old. so That automatically puts him in like 80 % chance.
Steve: right like there's
popculturediner: He was raised in Minnesota.
Steve: but Okay, so that's that's that's helpful because that's that's more.
popculturediner: Just so you know.
Steve: Yeah, it's more of a purple state. So we're helpful.
popculturediner: Just so you know.
Steve: Helpful. ah Yeah, and he he does not have the accent. um Army guy.
popculturediner: No.
Steve: So that's that's skewing the results also possibly. Here's the thing, though, that really sticks out to me. ah With a lot of people not all people because I'm not all people because my parents are deeply deeply conservative, which is not fun ah But I'm not I'm the exact opposite ah because I was a very obstinate child.
Steve: So ah One thing I am keenly aware of though is when Kelsey was on Nick files podcast the vial files I
popculturediner: Hmm.
Steve: so like her her political affiliation came up and she shut down the conversation immediately. It was just like, I don't want to talk about that on air. And if you're saying I don't want to talk about that on air, I have a feeling that it's because you may hold some political beliefs which may not be popular with the average demographic that you would be speaking to ah in in that situation.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah Which, you know what? That's fine, but at least own your bullshit, right?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: ah You know, if if some if some conservative person jumped in our comments and was just like, Steve sounds like a communist, I'd be like, yes.
popculturediner: Mm
Steve: Yes. ah So yeah, like let just just own your shit, like whatever it happens to be.
popculturediner: hmm.
Steve: And so that's why like all all of my, oh no, toxic conservative alarms were going off. Does he seem nice? Yeah, he seems nice. But again, it's like the nepotism thing. like i'm I'm not here for it. Give me give me real men, not men that were somehow like laundering through the bachelor system.
Steve: Even though we've never had the golden bachelor before, you're gonna somehow find a way to launder a father through this into my beautiful show where Joan's gonna find love. I don't think so.
popculturediner: Wow.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Wow. Oh, my gosh.
Steve: This is like every episode has to have Steve's one soapbox moment.
popculturediner: um
Steve: And this is that moment for me.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, this is my escape from every everyday life. And you're like, well, listen, let me tell you about this guy.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Um, yeah, I mean, you know, it's hard to say. Yeah. I think if you don't say something that's telling, that's telling and weird.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And when you just reminded me of when I started working somewhere, I won't disclose what, uh, in the person that was about to hire me, it was like, well, as long as you're not like a socialist or anything.
popculturediner: And I was like, this is a really funny, so
Steve: but Wouldn't you know, there's one person in this room who's a card -carrying member of the DSA, who is it?
popculturediner: I was like, I was like, this is really funny that you say that. It's really hilarious. um Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why would I care about something like that?
Steve: why i yeah
popculturediner: It'd be so weird um anyway. And I was like, ah movie so that's I did not disclose anything. I said, let's talk about what you're going to pay me because I love capitalism.
popculturediner: Um, so, so anyway, okay. So Pascal. Okay. Hello. Uh, okay. Um, I loved this. So he has like a one one on one time with Joan and he does like the exact opposite of what all the men just did on Jen season. And he said, if it wasn't you, I wouldn't have come.
popculturediner: I came here for you.
Steve: I mean, that's good.
popculturediner: I just, I just like through my, I've got, I've got my liquid death convicted melons.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Gen gens season everybody was just like, I came here for Maria.
popculturediner: who
Steve: And then I came here for or and then i came here for Daisy.
popculturediner: orant days
Steve: And then I came here for 27 other women. But now you're here and I'm here for you.
popculturediner: And I'm like, OK, I guess. And then Jen's like, yeah, I just don't feel like I, you know, I'm being appreciated. And then annoying people on social media are like, why does Jen complain all the time?
popculturediner: It's like, wouldn't you? What the hell?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: OK, but now she's eating Taco Bell with Jonathan and he's not even calling it a cheat meal.
Steve: Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, the the thing.
popculturediner: Well, that's what I call character development. She goes, remember when we were, she goes, remember when we were on a date and Jonathan was like, felt all weird about eating junk food? Now look at him. That's called growth. And he was like, he was like, and then he ate something and he was like, uh, and he's like, you know what this tastes like?
Steve: who
popculturediner: This tastes like IBS. And I was like, oh God, Jonathan, if I couldn't like you anymore, really speak in my language right now.
Steve: Yeah, it's funny because frequently on on the bachelor The Bachelorette, well, The Bachelorette especially, ah they they they're just like, i just I don't feel like wanted and I don't feel loved. It comes from this deep -seated insecurity, and then but also it comes out on this show where you are constantly in like breakup mode with X amount of men.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: And in Jen's case, like most of the time it's just like, well, it's a show and it's fucking with you and also your own insecurities and also this, this and this with Jenna was like, well, it's a little bit of that, but it's also the fact that like, no, you are completely justified because there are men here who who are a hundred percent like, oh shit, you're not Maria.
Steve: ah Who were you again?
popculturediner: Yeah. And they're like, and they're like, I'm so into you. I'm so into you. And you're like, what the hell? And like, yeah, someone were like, I just didn't even remember her being on the show because she wasn't on it as long as some of the other women were spare.
Steve: Yeah. Honestly, like. when When they do that scene in like every single episode of Bachelor Bachelorette where all the people stand on the balcony and they go, ah, and they scream the name of whoever it is, I guarantee like three fourths of those guys are probably like, John, and the other fourth were like, Maria.
popculturediner: But.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah, it was not good and not good. So anyway, so Pascal sets the tone right away.
Steve: Pascal, sorry.
popculturediner: He was just like he was like, I'm here for you, Joan. I'm not here for anyone else. And I wouldn't have been here for was for anyone else. And I 100 percent believe him. Good for him.
Steve: I am here for you more Sherry.
popculturediner: ah the Yeah. And then we see. OK. And then, yeah, Dan, he was a single dad for. Wait, I'm I got to look at these guys, Dan.
popculturediner: Wait, Dan wasn't the close target. That was Bill. OK, who's Dan?
Steve: Yeah. Bill's the guy from Portland who's a videographer.
popculturediner: Oh, Dan's the private investor. Yeah. And he's he's a girl dad as well. um Yeah, he seems cool.
Steve: Yeah. Private investor from Florida. I think he's a toxic conservative.
popculturediner: Like um he did. He didn't. He isn't one of his daughters. He adopted one daughter. Is that Dan?
Steve: Oh, we'll see now. Now you're throwing my my logic for a loop.
popculturediner: Just saying and and.
Steve: Maybe he's a saint.
popculturediner: Well, and and she says really kind things about him in that video, right?
Steve: She does.
popculturediner: Where she was just like, where she was just like, I needed a dad and you became my dad and I feel like so blessed that you were in my life and he starts crying.
Steve: He seems sweet.
popculturediner: And so anyway, I thought that was really cute.
Steve: Ugh, all these men are so sensitive and nice.
popculturediner: I know they're all like in touch with their emotions. It's really cute. um And then ah Gary, yeah, Gary is a ray of sunshine. That's what I said about Gary. Wait, let's read Gary's ah bio because I yeah, he's also a man in finance, but he just seems like a lot of fun. Handsome Gary has a zest for life that lights up every room he enters. He also lights up every room he enters. You got competition, Keith.
Steve: I wish people would just call me Handsome Gary.
popculturediner: That's what it says. Handsome Gary. He loves.
Steve: handsome gary
popculturediner: He loves a retired life in Palm Desert, where he enjoys taking spin classes, golfing and watching The View. Gary is the godson of legendary Tina Turner.
popculturediner: Way to bury the lead.
Steve: ok
popculturediner: And it's also very musically gifted with a beautiful singing voice and killer dance moves. The charming father of two says his dating life has been non -existent, but he couldn't be more ready to meet his soulmate.
Steve: Wait, are him and Jack gonna like sing a little duet and do a cute little dance number?
popculturediner: That's what I'm wondering.
Steve: Oh gosh.
popculturediner: Okay, hello. ah Gary.
Steve: Do you see how Jack is like, he's like the peanut butter to everybody's jelly.
popculturediner: Jack is the glue.
Steve: Like he's just, yeah.
popculturediner: He is the glue. Gary's hoping to meet a kind, caring and intelligent woman to travel the world with. He dreams of owning a home in the south of France. So Joan, we hope you're ready to bon voyage with Gary.
Steve: Oh, what if you bought like a bachelor pad with Pascal?
popculturediner: Seriously, what a buddy comedy. um Gary loves the spa. Gary says, bring back disco. ah Gary writes hard for the USC Trojans.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So anyway, Gary seems fun.
Steve: Okay. Respect for a spa boy. Let's yeah.
popculturediner: I like Gary. I'm excited. I don't know how far he's going to make it, but he's really fun. I think he's going to make a TV.
Steve: Uh, also zero toxic conservative red flags. None. Can't find any.
popculturediner: From Gary? No, absolutely not.
Steve: None. No, no. He's an angel.
popculturediner: Yeah, we love Gary. OK, and then I have the note about, yeah, how they're already like hugging and giggling with each other. And I was like, yes, this could be a good episode, a good season.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And then, yeah, Jordan comes back to redeem himself and he's like, listen, my entrance was. atrocious, so I'm so sorry about that. And she was like, I literally she's like, I literally didn't even remember.
Steve: Oh, Jordan is just a mess.
popculturediner: Then he's like, damn and I reminded her. ah And then there's like they play pickleball and there's like, you know, redemption arc or whatever.
Steve: Oh my gosh.
popculturediner: And then great.
Steve: That ball that gets so close to Joan's head and then she does like a matrix move to get away from it.
popculturediner: What?
popculturediner: Yeah. Wait a minute.
Steve: Impressive.
popculturediner: Where's Greg? Wasn't there a guy named Greg? With two G's. Where did he go?
Steve: Greg with two Gs, yeah, Greg Lesson. He's the one, he's the ah the university vice president guy.
popculturediner: But he's not on he's not on here.
Steve: He's got the gray beard and this and the strawberry blonde hair. It should be on there.
popculturediner: He's not he's not on the castle. What?
Steve: That doesn't make any sense. The only one I'm confused about is on my cast list that I have up, ah one of the guys that gets cut on the first night, remember when I said that Pablo was the one who got the least amount of time.
popculturediner: I'm serious.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: There's a guy named Thomas, they don't even have his last name, he's just Thomas.
popculturediner: Wait, here's Greg. OK, yeah, Greg was the one who looked like my old, old doctor.
Steve: Thomas the tank engine?
popculturediner: He's not on my cast list.
Steve: He loves root beer floats and he wears flip flops 90 % of the time.
popculturediner: That's so.
Steve: He traveled to Rwanda to hike with gorillas.
popculturediner: prison Who Greg?
Steve: Greg, what, what does that mean?
popculturediner: Wow. Hike with gorillas. I don't know what they were hanging out.
Steve: Like, are we, like, are we talking about the great ape or are we like, like, what?
popculturediner: He's got a dog named Flip Flop.
popculturediner: Like the band.
Steve: or combatants, like but the idea of like when I think of hiking, when I think of hiking with, it's like side by side.
popculturediner: No, no.
popculturediner: I think I think you meant hiking ah in the vicinity of Gorillaz. I don't think I don't think you meant any anyway.
Steve: Okay. But like if if i'm if i'm if I'm personally hiking with gorillas, I'm holding their hand the whole time.
popculturediner: OK, well, you can.
Steve: And I...
popculturediner: Now, wait, was it a gorilla or was it orangutan? It was an orangutan. Have you seen the lady on TikTok who's been hanging out with, I believe, orangutans? Gosh, now I'm trying to remember at the zoo.
popculturediner: I think it is. And she's.
Steve: Only zoo come the content I get is pesto the giant penguin.
popculturediner: Oh, not the new hippo.
Steve: Oh What's his name men dang or something like that or what's his something dang Yeah Moo
popculturediner: Yeah. Hold on. New hippo. Hold on. OK, this is important. Moo dang. Moo dang.
Steve: dang the hippo. No, I like I like moo dang.
popculturediner: Yeah. Egg me hippo.
Steve: He's okay.
popculturediner: I thought it was a girl.
Steve: Oh Yeah, there's a girl pesto is a boy though
popculturediner: Yeah, it's a girl. She's so she's so popular, you can only visit her for five minutes because she's got a mad tick tock presence. But I'm talking about there's this lady who goes to the zoo. I think it is.
popculturediner: Let me see.
popculturediner: Hmm. I think this will be the search. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. So they're orangutans. There's this lady, she goes to the zoo. She does not work for the zoo, but she goes to the zoo very regularly.
popculturediner: She goes and hangs out with the ring orangutans and she brings a bunch of stuff with her for the others. Like they're separated by glass. Right.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And then she's bringing like Plato and kinetic sand and things like that. And then the orangutans point to the thing they want her to play with in front of them. And then they'll like point at another thing.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: She'll like spread it out and put it on the glass and they'll like, they'll like, like kind of touch it and play with it and pointed it. Um, and, and like, I heard, like, I saw a video where someone said like, nobody's like, you know, it's like, well, she doesn't work for the zoo and like, isn't an issue, but the zookeepers are like, it's enrichment and they like it.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And they're, and they're asking her for stuff.
Steve: And see, that's an example of doing an activity with an orangutan as opposed to just going to see the orangutans, which you're not with them.
popculturediner: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Steve: You're not with them.
popculturediner: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: She, she is with them, even though they're on the other side of the, she's with them and they are going, I would like to see that please.
Steve: She is with them. Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Or like, you know, isn't it gorillas that can learn sign language, right?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Can't gorillas learn sign language?
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: I know nothing about any of this stuff.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Coco the talking monkey. Come on.
popculturediner: Right. So then, so then I would assume that's it. That's an activity with a gorilla, right? It's sign language with a gorilla.
Steve: with a gorilla.
popculturediner: So I don't know.
Steve: Yeah, Greg with too many G's.
popculturediner: Maybe they like to go hiking.
Steve: I, no.
popculturediner: Maybe girls like to go hiking with people. I don't know. So anyway.
Steve: I'm gonna interrogate Greg. i'm gonna I'm gonna DM him on Instagram.
popculturediner: OK, well, he's judging everyone's pickleball playing. He did not like it. And then this is where we get the clip from Jones saying there's balls flying everywhere, which is pretty fun.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um And then, oh, RJ, RJ, I don't remember RJ at all. Oh, yeah, he was the man in finance. He said, like, oh, you guys must have really good insurance. And I was like, no, RJ, I'm pretty sure you just signed a really good waiver, but
Steve: Yeah, he just had a really good waver, yeah.
popculturediner: I'm like, I don't think it's really good insurance, but wishful thinking. And then, yeah. And then Charles comes in to the kitchen and he goes, wow, this kitchen is great. And he's like looking at the pots and he goes, oh, this is real.
Steve: I just thought everything on site was just like, bae.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah, he's like, this is well, oh, that was why I had said that thing about I don't know if I like love Jack or hate him, because that's when he started walking around the mansion. He goes, I think I went to a place like this in Mexico that was like pretty nice, but it wasn't as nice as this place.
popculturediner: This place is really nice.
Steve: Which is great too. Cause he's like, he like literally went to, he probably went to like an all inclusive and Cozumel or something. He's like, this is all like that.
popculturediner: Yeah, and he's like, yeah, he's like, I went to this place in Mexico that was really nice, but not this nice.
Steve: It's incredible. Incredible. Is he like, I know in his.
popculturediner: He was like so delighted. He's like, it just keeps going. There's gotta to be 72 candles on that wall.
Steve: He just like let let him light up a Marlboro Light in the mansion. like Just let him do it.
popculturediner: Oh, for real.
Steve: He deserves it.
popculturediner: Oh, God, he's so funny. OK, and then. All right. So then, yeah, Kim. OK, so Kim talks to Joan and he's like putting family first. I really resonated with me. A lot of the men say things like that.
popculturediner: um And then. Oh, and then Bob has like this near death story about getting like struck by lightning and being under like CPR for like 14 minutes or something like that.
Steve: Yeah, which is what?
popculturediner: I was like, damn.
Steve: Bro, yeah, you were dead for that long?
popculturediner: um
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: See and then a ghost talked to him and said you should be a chiropractor Yeah, exactly um And then there's guy and he I don't know.
Steve: You should be a chiropractor. You already look like Dr. Drew.
popculturediner: I just felt like the whole night guy sounded kind of drunk He was like I see some potential in Joan She seems pretty cute.
Steve: Ew.
Steve: He's just...
popculturediner: And then I was like, I don't know if I like if he creased me out.
Steve: No, I don't i don't like him. He's...
popculturediner: I don't like him stay away from guy and
Steve: Ugh. I don't like him either. He's like, he's like at a wedding and he's had three glasses of wine. He's hitting on like your 22 year old cousin. That's Guy.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah, I don't like him at all. Marcus, like Jones, like a fresh, warm pair of sweats right out of the dryer. And I just want that warmth around me all the time. Boy, I wish someone did my laundry.
popculturediner: um And then OK. And then we see Jonathan again. And yeah, he's got Laura for sure. And he's like, OK, this is this is the vibe I get from Joan and Jonathan.
popculturediner: They give me Trista Ryan vibes.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: 100 % and I think that's why I like him so much and but except I didn't like Trissa and Ryan when they were on the show but I like them now um but he was like I wanted to write you a poem and then it was like not that good of a poem just like when Ryan wrote a poem and that's why I didn't like him on the show because I was like that poem sucked
Steve: Anytime someone on TV says, I wrote you a poem, I just wanna like, I wanna claw through the walls to get away.
popculturediner: It's like, even if it's good, I'm not going to like it ah because it's not for me. So I'm not going to try it.
Steve: No.
popculturediner: But he he he's like, it's up here. I memorize it. Are you ready for it? And then I was like, decent. I mean, not terrible, ah not the best poem, but it's really cornball.
popculturediner: And it worked for it worked for her. And he was like, you have to stand when I say it to you. He like created an atmosphere, did a good job.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um
Steve: no Please no one ever say a poem to me, ever.
popculturediner: and I will never say a poem to you. um I won't ever.
Steve: Don't even like think about poems around me.
popculturediner: I never I don't have a whole book of poems I wrote when I was 19 that I could read on the podcast.
Steve: ah While I melt into a puddle.
popculturediner: We had if we had a landmark, I'll read. I'll read all my cringy 19 year old poems that are really bad.
Steve: I'm just like, I love that.
popculturediner: um Jack is. Yeah, this is when Jack makes the tenderloin medallions with bordalase sauce, hollandaise sauce and rice and a bunch of other stuff. but
Steve: I got two sauces. I got rice with mushrooms. What else do you want?
popculturediner: I just whipped this all together. and then yeah and then And then, yeah, he was like, Charles, get the hell out of here.
Steve: with this together.
popculturediner: But Charles is like, listen, I see you and I raise you tea and dessert. And I was like, OK, fair enough.
Steve: Let's see, let's see what happens.
popculturediner: And then Christopher, the regular Brooklyn contractor, did a little candy heart that they had to break. Cute. And then, oh, who is the guy who has an album with his garden in it? Because I missed who that was. But he's like, these are all my flowers and I'm very proud of them. And I was like, this guy's amazing. And I don't know who he was because it went too fast.
Steve: No, i don't i didn't I didn't write that one down either. But yeah, whoever that is, they should win.
popculturediner: oh yeah he was just like this variety is called this and I was like you're so cool um but he's like I brought an album of all of my flowers so you're all yelling at me so stop yelling at me I know you know what it is I forgot okay I'll look it up later and we'll we'll circle back I tried to google it quick and nothing was coming up
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: um But I thought that was really good. And then yeah Keith is like, let's play bags. And he's like, I don't get complacent. I just go do things. And I'm like, Keith is living my life.
Steve: Yes, Keith and Jack are gonna totally like shotgun some Bush lights.
popculturediner: um and
Steve: It's gonna be great.
popculturediner: Oh, Keith and yeah, Keith and Jack, I'm a fan. ah Then we get. OK, then we get chalk story. His mom had stage four cancer and he was like, should I go on the show?
popculturediner: And she goes, you go live your life. And I was like, damn. um And he climbed Kilimanjaro and he's got a spoiled dog and, you know.
Steve: Yeah, name like Super Chubby or what's his name? Super Chubby.
popculturediner: Yes. Super chunk or something like that. No, I don't know.
Steve: Something, I don't know.
popculturediner: Super tubs, super tubs, super tubs.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah. We all, we always got there.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah. Super tubs. Um, and then, uh, okay. Then the first impression rose goes to Keith. Of course, he also gets the first kiss and Joan says he makes her feel safe and he, he is just like a very calming presence.
popculturediner: I totally get it.
Steve: Yeah. But also he's huge.
popculturediner: I i yeah.
Steve: So like no one will ever mess with her cause he could definitely squash them for sure.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As a person who's under five feet tall, I always felt safe for around my six, four friends.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Um, so yeah. And then, and then all the guys, when he got the first impression, Rose were like shaking his hand and like slapping him on the back and stuff. And it was super cute.
Steve: It's a very supportive environment, yeah.
popculturediner: So adorable. Yeah. I was really durable. They're all like, good job. And then they're also like, kind of sad, but good job. uh then we get like the most emotional thing that has probably ever happened in bachelor franchise history and that is all of the kids of and parents do like a mom to like all these family members come on and they're talking you know they're like dad like I'm so proud of you and you're amazing and you're going to do so good and they're all crying. Everyone's crying. It's so good. Like Pascal's son, Charles's daughter, Dan's daughter, Ryan, ah Charles.
popculturediner: Charles Kingston oh and then I was like oh that's the other Charles and then Jordan's uh kid and partner and then Bob's kid Gary's daughter like I was like everybody Gilson some guy I don't remember kids takes mom um really really sweet and then we get the rose ceremony and I missed a couple people and I don't know everybody who went home but I do know that Dan, Jonathan, Guy, Charles, Gil, Gary, Pascal, Chalk, Kim, Christopher, Greg and Charles L, Jordan, Bob, Michael and Jack all stay.
popculturediner: So I don't know who all left, but those are the people who stayed for sure.
Steve: So the people who went home, Thomas, who doesn't have a last name, he's ah Fire Chief from ah from New York City.
popculturediner: Oh, yeah, yeah, OK.
Steve: RJ, six five blue eyes, no Rose.
popculturediner: Sorry, OK.
Steve: Pablo.
popculturediner: Pablo, just as for Pablo, for real.
Steve: Oh, by Pablo. Yeah. It's like, it's not the start of a new season of something bachelor related. If a guy who goes out of the first night, isn't a Sammy favorite Ken O 'Brien, who's like a Boston, Massachusetts property management treasure.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Oh, he was one that called her like wicked hat or something. Yeah.
Steve: Oh, she's a wicked pizza hot. Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah Guy. like What is a property management management treasure? What do you like handle the money for landlords? I don't like this by Ken ah David Huff, the rancher who lost his horse, never trust a cowboy.
popculturediner: Jesus.
Steve: You can't keep track of his horse. I'll tell you that much.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah, sorry, David.
Steve: And Bill Hernandez, he talked close, but he was a long shot on this show and didn't make it.
popculturediner: Yeah, Bill was just like, he just talked way too close. I think he needed needs hearing aids.
Steve: Oh, also goodbye Michael Stevens, who's a retired banking CEO. You seem completely functional. I don't know.
popculturediner: Wait, I thought he, what?
Steve: Oh no, wait, he's still there.
popculturediner: He made it through, yeah, yeah.
Steve: He's still there. Yeah, he's still there. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I scrolled up a little too much.
popculturediner: He's the one he's the one with the he's the one with the with the adopted daughter.
Steve: I was like, I thought the guy was still there.
popculturediner: and So sweet.
Steve: He, yeah, he's got the adopted daughter.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Yes, that's right.
popculturediner: Yeah. And like really cute.
Steve: But he seems very like articulate and smart. So I don't know how charming he is, but he should do okay.
popculturediner: Yeah, I feel like a lot of the guys. Yeah. the The guys I want to know more about for sure. I'm like I'm like scrolling through. Yeah. I want to know more about Dan. I am curious. I definitely want to know more about Gary and Gil.
popculturediner: And I'm interested. I mean, Jack, I feel like we just know what we need to know.
Steve: Oh yeah, you know everything you need to know.
popculturediner: We don't need to know anywhere.
Steve: And I know that he's not gonna win, but he's also gonna go far enough where he's gonna steal my heart and everyone else's.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely.
Steve: So he's he's America's winner.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna learn a lot about Jonathan maybe or maybe he'll continue to be mysterious, but like the little bit that's online, I'm like, I just need to know everything about this person. um I feel like Keith is gonna also share everything you need to know, but I feel like we know a lot already.
popculturediner: We're not gonna get to know that much about Kim.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: That'll be the thing. um Yeah, we'll learn more about Michael. But yeah, I'm just so sad and Pascal. I want to know more about him, too, because like what a cool I don't know. Like he just seems ah hopefully he's a good salon owner, you know, because sometimes there's a lot of toxics.
Steve: Yeah, I hope so too.
Steve: Blot it out. Yeah.
popculturediner: According to my friends who are stylists and have been in bad situations and are now in good situations.
Steve: Oh, yeah.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um But he seems like cool and fun. So like, I hope he is cool and fun. And I feel like I mean, like, you know, it can be hit or miss with the French stuff, but he seems like a cool French guy and not like a, you know what I mean?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Not like a pain in the butt French guy.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So he seemed fun.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Like he'd be like the one who like, I don't know. I have, I still have like a pretty bad memories of my piano teacher in college. He was French and he was like so mean to me.
popculturediner: He was just like, he would be like, everything you did is wrong and sounds ugly. And I'm like, I'm sorry.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: I'm trying to sound pretty. And then he'd be like, you seem stressed out. Would you like a chocolate? And I'm like, well, okay.
Steve: Oh, that's nice.
popculturediner: Okay. But like I would have done without that whole first hour of you being mad at me.
Steve: Just berating me.
popculturediner: And then he's like, have a chocolate.
Steve: Okay, so Sammy, my my big question for you as we as we wrap here.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yes. Yes.
Steve: um Week one, who are your final three?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Just just off of week one.
popculturediner: Oh, final three?
Steve: Final three.
popculturediner: OK.
Steve: we're heading into We're heading into fantasy suites.
popculturediner: OK, final three.
Steve: Who do you got?
popculturediner: Let me look at the guys again. Hold on. See all final three.
popculturediner: Final three. I hate to say Mark, but I feel like he will make it to the final three.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um Um, well, at least the final four, maybe not the final three. Um, God.
popculturediner: If I say Mark Keith. I feel like I want to do a wild card. I don't know if Jonathan's going to make it that far. I feel like I feel like he could.
Steve: Mm.
popculturediner: But I just I feel like don I feel like Joan is looking for just a guy.
Steve: Listen to your heart, Sammy.
popculturediner: And I feel like Jonathan is more than just a guy. OK, I'm going to say Mark, Keith and Gil.
Steve: Ooh, Gil.
popculturediner: Yeah, I don't know.
Steve: Okay, that's your wild card.
popculturediner: I wanted to do. I just wanted to do wild card because I really like Gil and I feel like they might really connect on the whole educator thing.
Steve: well Well... Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: I don't know.
Steve: So here's my final three. Keith, because he's got the first impression rose, so statistically, he's gonna do well.
popculturediner: ah Yeah.
Steve: Mark, because he is the producer plant that they're gonna push, okay?
popculturediner: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Steve: And my third is now I need a villain. Who's my villain? I want a villain in my final three. It's gonna be Guy, the sleazebag from Reno.
popculturediner: No, I hope not.
Steve: Yes!
popculturediner: I hope he doesn't make it anywhere near the final three.
Steve: And I'm gonna get all mad, because I'm gonna be like, he's gonna break my Jones heart.
popculturediner: No, no.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
popculturediner: I think I think Dan is also like a really strong contender. um I think Pascal is a strong contender, too. um Yeah, it's just hard to say at this point. But I mean, what's nice is I feel like she's got a lot of good guys to pick from.
popculturediner: Like, I don't think she's got like a bunch of zeros and there'll be somebody that surprises us. It kind of comes out comes out of nowhere. Like,
Steve: Oh, for sure, for sure.
popculturediner: That's why, that's why I think, I think out of all the guys that we didn't see a lot from, Gil has the most potential to be someone who like kind of jumps up in the ranks. And then it's like, Oh, who's Gil?
popculturediner: He seems interesting.
Steve: Oh, till evil guy twists his mustache and ties the Joan to the railroad tracks.
popculturediner: So I don't want I don't want him to be like anywhere near.
Steve: ah
popculturediner: Yeah, that would be so bad. I really hope that that doesn't happen. um But yeah, so let's see. Yeah, I see even in my notes, I wrote, I feel like Gil might be someone who grows on the show over time because sometimes we get that.
popculturediner: And then I was so happy that Jack was got picked because she saved him for last. But I was like, we get his culinary abilities for one more week. And like, didn't somebody in the house say like, listen, you just can't cut Jack because I don't want to cook and Jack is going to cook for us.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So you got to let him stay for like a few more weeks. um But yeah, I think this is shaping up to be a really good season. I'm super excited about it. And yeah, I think it's fun because I don't.
popculturediner: Totally know where it's gonna go.
Steve: No.
popculturediner: I don't think there's like a clear front runner even though like the men think Jonathan's a front runner I I just feel like Joan is looking for like like someone who's more dadly
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah, and he's like to put together maybe, you know, i like to polish and she I don't know.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
popculturediner: That's why Pascal might also not necessarily make it as far.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So we'll see.
Steve: We'll see.
popculturediner: um But that being said, we'll see you all next week. Also, just a heads up. I don't know that because I was either going to be extremely early or extremely late. Sorry, I'm going to be walking 50 miles and raising money for multiple sclerosis.
Steve: We don't know.
popculturediner: Okay.
Steve: And I'm not.
popculturediner: So if you don't like that, then deal with it.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Um, so we'll, we'll see you then. And, uh, in the meantime, everyone's getting sick. Make sure to take care of yourself, rest, hydrate, you know, do all the things, get boosters, um try that kind of needle drug.
Steve: Yeah. But don't do the bad kind of needle drugs. Just don't do needle drugs. Jesus. Come on.
Steve: I'm going to use this outro to talk about how I just watched the secret lives of Mormon wives. The entire thing binged it and I'm obsessed.
popculturediner: Oh, we got to talk about that. Okay.
Steve: Oh my gosh.
popculturediner: We got to do, we're going to do a special episode. I'm like midway through.
Steve: Special episode. Whitney. Let's talk about Whitney dancing in the hospital.
popculturediner: Whitney.
Steve: I'm crazy for Whitney.
popculturediner: I just really want one of those soda places to open up by me.
Steve: it's it's deme not demi ok
Steve: It's Demi, not Demi, okay?
