Transcript
popculturediner: Hello, I'm Sami.
Steve: Hello, and I'm Steve.
popculturediner: And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic, emerald, city -ing -ist, product -placement -ing -ist, Glinda Bubbling -ist recap podcast of The Bachelorette ever.
Steve: Ever.
popculturediner: And if you didn't know, we're in Seattle and it's known as the Emerald City. And why did we come back to the states from New Zealand?
Steve: o
popculturediner: Why are you going from New Zealand to Seattle?
Steve: Oh, well, uh, because of Wicked, the musical, the movie part one, which debuts this fall.
popculturediner: Yeah, they how much how much money did they give them to be like, you better come back. You know, that's pretty wild.
Steve: Well, see, that's what I thought at first, but then I'm like, well, Disney owns ABC and
popculturediner: That's got to be a lot of money.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Wicked's a Disney thing, so ah I didn't give him anything.
popculturediner: They didn't give them anything.
Steve: This is just pre -advertising, baby.
popculturediner: Oh, that's that's even worse. That's even worse. And like, listen, I liked the Barbie movie tie in and will I be going to see Wicked?
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Yes, obviously, I'm going to go see Wicked.
Steve: Yeah, real theater kid over here, come on.
popculturediner: Do you know me? I'm a theater kid. I want to go see Wicked. But I felt like it was a stretch. I mean, maybe this is my fault. I had no idea Seattle was called the Emerald City.
popculturediner: I didn't know that was a thing.
Steve: No, i I didn't know that either.
popculturediner: Did you know that was a thing?
Steve: All I know is ah rain and then you gotta throw the fish or watch the guy throw the fish.
popculturediner: Hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: yeah Yeah, throw the fish. Do you think people well, what do you think people think Milwaukee is called if they're outside of Milwaukee? I don't think anybody knows about Cream City if they're not in Milwaukee.
Steve: No, I don't think anybody thinks about Milwaukee. And then if you force them to, they go, Oh, like beer, cheese, sausage, you know, yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah.
Steve: The holy Trinity. Sure.
popculturediner: Except like, yeah, Beer City is an Asheville thing.
Steve: Mm -hmm. Which is weird.
popculturediner: Who knew? Well, I knew. And Charm City. I feel like people know Charm City. I think some people know. Do you know Charm City? You're looking at me like you don't.
Steve: What is I, I do, you're going to say it. I'ma go, yeah, I know that, but I can't think of what it is right now.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Baltimore is Charm City.
Steve: Got it. Yep. Yep. Okay.
popculturediner: And then, you know, we've got the Windy City. Everybody knows that.
Steve: who Oh, the motor city.
popculturediner: What what other ones? I'm trying to think of other. Oh, sure. Motor City. Everybody knows that one, I think. um Yeah, I'm trying to think of that. But so, like, I feel like there's ones I know and then there's ones I don't know, like the Emerald City.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I had no idea. And they were just like, and everyone knows it's called the Emerald City. I'm like, well, I didn't know that.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: I don't know.
Steve: More like nobody knew including Jen until the producer told her.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: That was pretty much it.
popculturediner: They're like, we're in the Emerald City, didn't you know?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um Anyway, so there's like this is a star studded episode.
Steve: so There's there's a lot a lot of familiar faces.
popculturediner: OK.
Steve: like this is really Well, one, they just they just took us from a beautiful international location back to the States.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: So you got to do a little flash, a little pizzazz here to re -engage us. And also, ah you know if if you're going to do a big movie promotion, well, you better do it upright.
Steve: You better have every single bachelor person who answered the phone call come on out.
popculturediner: Yeah, it was really I mean, I was like, Oh, Charity, that makes sense. And that's nice. And she was just on so that makes sense that she would be there.
Steve: who
popculturediner: And then I was like, Oh, wow. And then like, Daisy and Kelsey, I'm already forgetting their names. And it has not been that long.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And then and then Trista, am I missing anybody?
Steve: Um, I think that was it.
popculturediner: I think that was it, right? Oh, and then and then Jason Amali at the at the radio show.
Steve: Oh, Jason and Molly. Yeah.
popculturediner: But like for the wicked thing, it was all of them.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So I was just like, wow, it was like, OK, everybody, we're going to film.
Steve: The wicked parts.
popculturediner: We're not going to take you international. Sorry. You don't get to have that much of a trip, but you do get to go to Seattle.
Steve: very exciting.
popculturediner: And they're like, OK.
popculturediner: It's funny. I just have you been to Seattle?
Steve: ah Yes, but like not to experience it in full. ah Basically,
popculturediner: It was like a work thing or something.
Steve: No. um we so we being Me and a couple of my friends, we drove from Southern California all the way up the coastline on Highway 1 and then we went all the way up to Oregon and then we kind of scooted over and went to Portland.
popculturediner: OK, cool.
Steve: And then we were kind of like, fuck it, let's go to Seattle. And then we got to Seattle and it was nighttime. And then one of my friends had to work within a specific timeframe. So we were like, hi Seattle, and then bye Seattle.
popculturediner: Oh.
Steve: And we just left.
popculturediner: Oh no, that was kind of my experience with Tulsa.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I was very much like, hi Tulsa, bye Tulsa, I'll come back. Um, for some reason, I mean, I have friends in Seattle and at some point I plan on visiting, but I've always had it in my mind.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Like intellectually, I just know that I'm not going to enjoy it as much as other cities. Is that bad? and I've, I've just prejudged it before even going there. I'm like, I don't think I'll like Seattle and I don't think I'll like Portland.
popculturediner: I just don't think the Pacific Northwest is for me unless you count Vancouver.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I feel like I'll like Vancouver.
Steve: but See, that and that's funny to me because it's they're all basically the same thing.
popculturediner: Yeah, but I'm like, but it's Canada, so I'll like it.
Steve: ah So you'll like it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I specifically with Portland, I thought I was just going to be like, like I i was just going to be like scowling at at hipsters all day.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah.
Steve: And while everything that you have seen on the show, Portlandia is 110 percent true.
popculturediner: It's true.
Steve: It's lovely. It's really nice.
popculturediner: That's good.
Steve: ah Yeah. So and it's
popculturediner: That's good that it's lovely.
Steve: It's, um, yeah I like the Pacific Northwest because you get all the big city stuff that I enjoy because I'm a little city mouse. But if someone's like, you know, like you can do it and it's nice and it's very accessible and it's like Narnia looking shit.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Like it's all crazy and, and you know, uh, it's.
popculturediner: Mm. Narnia looking shit.
Steve: Yeah, it's it's just like otherworldly, ah just really beautiful natural stuff and it's very, very accessible. So that's nice.
popculturediner: There you go. Well, that's very nice.
Steve: ah But yeah, shout out Pacific Northwest. I thought you were going to be kind of shitty, but I was like, yeah, you're cool.
popculturediner: Wow, look at you.
popculturediner: Maybe I should give it a shot someday.
Steve: You should.
popculturediner: um I just have it in my mind. I'm like, it's just too many white people in one place and I'm just not gonna like it.
Steve: Mm -hmm. Listen, if if America's number one hater, i .e. me, can... can so Yeah.
popculturediner: likes a place, yeah, find something redeeming about it.
Steve: About literally anything.
popculturediner: You know, it's funny, because I thought I wasn't going to like Dallas. I just thought Dallas was going to be kind of like OneNote. I don't know, a generic big city.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: And I ended up enjoying it. Maybe not the most. I mean, I liked it a lot. I had the most fun in Kansas City.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So we're planning on going back soon. But and also it's closer. But I had a really good time in Dallas. And I can't tell any of my Houston client friends ah that I liked it.
popculturediner: Because apparently, they we talked about rivalries a couple episodes.
Steve: Nice beef.
popculturediner: They have like a big rivalry. Dallas and Houston have a rivalry.
Steve: that's that That shouldn't be a rival. of rivalry Are you kidding me?
popculturediner: Yeah, I think they're just very distinct. like I don't know.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: like the The character of the two cities that I experienced was quite different. And so I was just like, I don't know
Steve: yeah Houston's like the forever suburb. It just stretches. You're like, why is it still going?
popculturediner: Houston is it's going to take at least 20 minutes to get anywhere you want.
Steve: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah, but I would say, ah yeah, Seattle, fun.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: It's got it's got a real ah distinct culture to it, you know? Same with Portland, like the Pacific Northwest is its own thing. There's a lot of large cities where I'm just like, what is what is your cultural identity?
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Large city. I don't know what it is. I go to Indianapolis. I've been to Indianapolis a million times. And every time I'm there, I'm like, what's your thing, guys?
popculturediner: Yeah, it's it's cars.
Steve: And I feel like their thing is just like entertaining people from out of town.
popculturediner: It's yeah.
Steve: Like that's the thing.
popculturediner: Yeah, it's like we don't have anything. Well, I mean, I like Broad Ripple Avenue. But the last time we went there, it was like all torn up. So I'm like, wow, in like a couple of years, Broad Ripple is going to look really cool, I think.
popculturediner: But it was cool.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: It was like cool and small and kind of gritty. And then they like change. Well, because, you know, I went to school an hour from Indy. So like that's the only place that was like the only place to go outside of was the other place like Fremont or whatever.
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
popculturediner: Is that what it is? Yeah. Um, cause there was like a mall there, you know, so it was like, Oh, well we'll, we'll go to Fremont cause there's a mall. And then if you want to drive another like 20, 30 minutes, well, cause we had, so where I went to school, we had a Goodwill and two Mexican restaurants and a Kroger and, and a burger place that was like pretty famous, like in our university, like it's like, you know, like, uh, no, it was,
Steve: There's a mall.
Steve: Hell yeah.
Steve: I see no issues. You have all the the comforts you need.
popculturediner: Well, one of the one of the restaurants closed because like one of the workers brought in a deer and like, listen, I have no no qualms with that.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: That's like so Wisconsin, though.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I'm like, I think you would have gotten away with it in Wisconsin, but it didn't work so well.
Steve: No. No, not in Indiana.
popculturediner: So that was closed temporarily. And I was really sad because it was one of my favorite places to go. You know, I was like, just let them do it. Who cares?
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: You know, Um, and then yeah, the, the burger place is like, you know, how there's like the, I closed wall skis, you know, bumper stickers, like in Milwaukee, we've got, we've got that, or like I opened highbury or whatever.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Um, the, the, um, there's like, uh, There's like a thing where it was like, I ate at this burger place in this place. So like you would bring signs with you when you would travel. like you know And like if you did a study abroad, it would be like, I got this at you know this country or whatever. um So that's kind of it's one of those places.
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: um But yeah, I mean, so it got kind of boring because it was like there wasn't really there was no nightlife. There was just fraternities and sororities. I mentioned that I think last week. And right now it's like Bama Rush.
popculturediner: So I am like heavy on Bama.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Well, not light on Bama Rush. Tick tock. I'm sure I could go much heavier than what I've seen.
Steve: i'm I'm over Bama Rush.
popculturediner: um You're over it.
Steve: I'm all about those those those weird girls in Oklahoma that are all blue. Have you seen them?
popculturediner: No.
Steve: Yeah, it's I think it's because like I'm weird and like the Bama Rush stuff it creeps into everyone's algorithm like you can't avoid it.
popculturediner: Tell me. Mm hmm. Yeah, I saw like the grannies, like I see like the fun bammer rush stuff, you know, like the people who get cut and the grannies and stuff like that.
Steve: Oh,
Steve: I'll send you this stuff after the show, but it's it's like it is
popculturediner: Okay, okay.
Steve: the like, I don't know, ah antithesis of what, because Bama Rush is just like, hi y 'all, I got my $500 Tiffany bracelet, I got my $900 skirt and here's the tank top that cost me $3 ,000.
Steve: And then you're like, huh?
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And then they're doing backflips and the the dances and the, yeah, so that's Bama Rush.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: This is just like, it's this weird song, they use the same song and they're all just like painted
popculturediner: Uh -huh.
Steve: Blue and they're just like ah like it's just like it is the anti -bama rush.
popculturediner: What?
Steve: I will send you this Yes, it's a sorority and and they're all and then one of them was like was like dressed up like a little avatar Navi and ah something but like in a way that makes me like uncomfortable I got a visceral level.
popculturediner: Wait, are they sorority girls? Oh, that's fun because that's the kind of sorority I was in.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm.
Steve: It's really good.
popculturediner: Yeah, like cursed.
Steve: I love it ah Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Oklahoma
popculturediner: Yeah, there's an animator that pretty. OK, cool. Well, that's fun. Yeah, I I've been getting like. you know, people who are like, here's what it's like to be in a bottom house, you know, at a university.
popculturediner: The funny thing is I was I was in one of the top universities or one of the top sororities in the country.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um But at our school, it was ah it was ah the character of the sorority was very different from anywhere else in the country. So like people will join the sorority at like a university where it's easier to get into and then they will transfer to get into the sorority that I was in.
Steve: Hmm hmm.
popculturediner: um But where I went to school, it was like all the theater kids, you know, it was like all the theater girls, like, I think 17 of us were radio DJs, me included. ah There were musicians and actors and dancers and stuff. It was like very much like the kind of like, yeah, like art, arty girl, you know, cool girl, arty girl sorority, like I'm calling myself cool.
popculturediner: um
Steve: Yeah, so I was so cool in my sorority.
popculturediner: So that was me but you know like it was like you know cuz there were like once for like more of like the jock e girls and you know like and the you know there was one where it was like very much like pearls and polo shirts and you know that whole thing and And we're wearing clothes for breakfast, and that's the most you can ask of us.
popculturediner: OK, that's the best you're going to get today.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: And so it was very much like that. And so so sorority culture has always been fascinating to me. And I even like wrote a paper about it my sophomore year. like I was in a women's studies class, and like I wrote about kind of the pressure to get an um MRS degree.
popculturediner: and like all the sorority norms. And I, I sent out these like anonymous, I wish I still had these results. I sent out these like anonymous questionnaires to each sorority because I had I had friends in each house. So I was able to like, give stuff to a girl I knew and she would pass them out for me. But it was amazing the stuff I read just like all the insecurities and like all the all the things that they felt pressured to do or all the bad things they felt they did um to get along in the house or get ahead in the house or because of other
popculturediner: Girls treating them badly in the house. It's just like really wild stuff um And like in our house, we had a little bit of like, you know, I don't know power You know power struggles like things like that, but nothing that bad and I was like wow it could have Much worse like it's just I don't know so that stuff's endlessly fascinating to me and will be until the end of time um I Will save this.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah, this is I mean ice
Steve: oh Save the blue stuff for after you're gonna really enjoy this Oh
popculturediner: I saw a version of this that yeah like the best Bama house that I saw was like um all the girls were dressed up as grannies and did a dance and and everybody was like now this is what I like and I was like yes this is relevant to my interest. Anyway so uh oh and there's somebody else on TikTok who's been adding up the cost of everything
Steve: God
popculturediner: and going, oh, this is a $13 ,000 outfit or whatever. like and And she's like, i'm I'm hoping to do this to the extent where my videos get so popular that like I can also buy a $13 ,000.
Steve: I can't.
popculturediner: I was like, ah more power to you, I guess.
Steve: like Literally, if if I stole like the third drawer from a Bama Rush girl, I could probably like fund my own retirement by selling that stuff on Depop.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah. For real, for reals.
Steve: Not that I'm gonna rob a sorority, okay? Don't don't demonetize us.
popculturediner: You heard it here first, friends. He is going to rob a sorority. ah lock those drawers. um So so anyway, ah so now like now we'll talk about the sorority of, you know, Jen and Charity ah now that we're 15 minutes into the episode.
Steve: Yes. yes
popculturediner: And, um you know, here's the bad thing is they should have had Charity on episode one because she gives amazing advice and Jen's like, well, I wish I'd been doing that since the beginning.
Steve: Oh my God. Yeah.
popculturediner: Damn.
Steve: Like when she was just like, yeah. So after every date, I would take out my notebook and I would just like write notes about the date and the guy just so I can kind of keep track of everything.
popculturediner: and like their values and like the things that I liked.
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: And she's like, that would have been really nice to know.
Steve: And Jen's like, Oh.
popculturediner: and she and And it's like, of course, Charity is like, I mean, Charity is one of the best bachelorettes to ever bachelorette.
Steve: No.
popculturediner: And she's just like, yep, so I was incredibly organized and very on my chin. This is what I did.
Steve: You have to be right.
popculturediner: And Jen's like, Oh, but yeah but like you see on the date with Jen and Marcus, it's like Jen is fast. Marcus is slow. You know, she's just kind of like, OK, like let's do this. Like it's very I mean, God, could they put her in the sky more often?
Steve: Mm -hmm They just they won't stop doing it
popculturediner: I don't know. It's just like thrill date after thrill date sky like, you know, heights after heights. And and it's very like indicative of her personality. You know, it's like drive fast, take chances.
popculturediner: You know, yeah, ferocious love, which we'll get into later. But it's very much like that kind of stuff. And Charity is not like, I mean, not that she's not fun or any or not spontaneous or whatever, but she is definitely more like put not put together.
popculturediner: I don't want to say put together, but like she's she's got a system. She's got a system.
Steve: Mm -hmm Yeah, she's a student of the game Mm
popculturediner: She's got an approach. You could see that from the beginning. I mean, that's why we were like her bachelorette. is so masterful. like she just she did it she did She played the game better than anybody else and and played with her heart and her mind.
Steve: -hmm
popculturediner: and She was very strategic in how she was like analyzing these relationships and got to a place that I would argue was the best choice she could. I mean i was hoping it would turn out that way and I was really happy when it did.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: um so
Steve: Meanwhile, Jenna's just kind of winging it, and you're like...
popculturediner: Yeah, I mean, really, it's like she didn't, I don't think Charity had a bad choice to make when it got to the final two.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: It's like, either way you go, this is gonna be a good situation. So, you know, do what feels right. And Jen's kind of like, oh God, okay. So that was interesting.
popculturediner: I hope other future bachelorettes take notes of what Charity said, because I'm like, that's like the coolest, I'm sure other people have done it, but I've never heard anyone share their technique like that. So I think that's really cool.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Anyway, um then it's like all these times that Jen is so aware, like she's she's got good intuition and she's got good awareness.
popculturediner: But I was just like, I hope she listens to the things she's saying and reflects on them and makes the right decision because she's like, oh, I feel like Sam's holding back.
popculturediner: But he also reminds me of some of my old exes. And I'm like, yeah, follow that feeling like that's important.
Steve: Yeah, just a big, dumb, sexy red flag.
popculturediner: Yeah, I'm just like, okay, you know this, like she's been saying this since like the first episode, like your, your lines sound like they're out of a movie. Is this even real?
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Is it a script? Is it, you know, and she was kind of joking about it, but I'm like, that's real.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: And you should be very wary of that. So, um, yeah.
Steve: Yeah, and and and we've said this before too. like He doesn't even rank high on my on my villain list because a person who says things from a script is smart enough to script them out first.
popculturediner: No.
Steve: This is, in fact, the dumbest man. And not only is he intellectually stupid, but his emotional intelligence
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: is is so low, he has he has burst through the the mantle of the earth and is nearing the core. okay that's That's how bad it is. It is unbelievable.
Steve: And he does, he just spouts cringey gibberish. it's like It's like you're walking into a home goods with him and he's just reciting the the world the words scribbled on on little like cheese boards and stuff.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: He's he's a raid done man.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: It's it's terrible.
popculturediner: a raid done man. That's like a really good ah comparison array done man like he just he doesn't Yeah, it's like I mean the way I kept thinking about it is like oh he's like a soundboard and we'll get into this more like when we get to this part where it's like You just press a button and he says a thing.
Steve: He's a Ray Dunn man.
popculturediner: But you don't remember how you program the button, so you're just pressing random things. And they're all just like, you know, little colloquialisms for, you know, like little cliche things that you would say about love or whatever.
popculturediner: It's just like so bizarre.
Steve: Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's it's like watching I Don't know so I was watching the movie alien a couple nights ago like you do and In the original alien so not Bishop from aliens, but there's a there's an Android an alien as well and at one point He like kind of freaks out and he and he tries to kill Ripley and everybody else on the ship and and he basically just like glitches out, right and
popculturediner: Short like you do.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: This is what he's doing on the on the show.
popculturediner: That makes so much sense.
Steve: like he's like He's like a glitching robot because when you watch him, right like not only is he saying cringy, cliched garbage, but the words that he's using and the sentences that he's stringing together, it's it's not even coherent.
popculturediner: That's such a good analogy. Yeah.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: He's not saying anything that makes any sense. He's just like, little little bit but it like just a robot that somebody dumped water on.
popculturediner: Yes, it's, yeah, it's so confusing.
Steve: Mm -hmm
popculturediner: And ah yeah, I just, I like just don't totally get it. Oh my God, by the way, these blue women, um hold on.
popculturediner: Cause I just had to look real quick. That was my sorority on a different canvas, but that was my sorority.
Steve: That was your sorority This this is all making sense now
popculturediner: They're so unserious. I mean, so apparently there is another campus where they're as deeply unserious as we were. So that's great because that was always one of my favorite things was they're like, yeah, if you wear cap stuff and like an airport, you're going to have people come up to you that are like completely not like you and just like be super nice and like whatever, but just know you're probably not going to have anything in common.
Steve: Mhm.
popculturediner: But apparently if I run into some women from the University of Oklahoma, I'm in for a good time.
Steve: Mhm.
popculturediner: So let's get you now.
Steve: Mhm.
popculturediner: I'll bring my cap of stuff to Oklahoma with me next time I go. Anyway, so um sorry, because I just I was like, I was opening another tab and then I saw I saw the like meta title that was like, who are the blue cappas?
popculturediner: I'm like Kappa Kappa gamma. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny. Anyway, so. um So, yes, we get to Seattle. ah ah Marcus is from.
popculturediner: and Well, he's not from Seattle because he's like from Minnesota, but I guess he lived in Seattle for a while.
Steve: Mm hmm. Yeah.
popculturediner: um And he gets the one -on -one um and and then we get in well So and have you heard have you heard the the goss?
Steve: Because he's a producer plant, producers, water, there's a conspiracy.
Steve: The hot goss about Marcus.
popculturediner: Yeah, yes, yes.
Steve: No, no, do tell.
popculturediner: Well, I saw I saw a tick tock. We may have reposted it on our tick tock. I'm not sure, but I did see it.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um So basically ah there and I don't know if any of this, you know, who knows? um This is a distractify article and like on Reddit and tick tock.
popculturediner: So it's like take this with like the hugest grain lump of salt ever um as always. But um there is There are allegations on the subreddit that Marcus has a pattern of mistreating women.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And ah like I don't even know if I feel comfortable fully talking about this on the podcast, but um basically it sounds like he was trying to hook up with someone when they were drunk and couldn't consent um and at a party in 2012.
Steve: Oh.
Steve: Oh.
Steve: Wasn't he in the army?
popculturediner: I don't know.
Steve: What is it? I thought he I thought he was literally in the army for the past, like 15 years.
popculturediner: i Yeah, I mean, well, you know, sometimes you come home, I guess.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: um But ah then there was another user, this is from the Distractify article, and they're citing Reddit, but it says another user shared on Reddit that they experienced um a painful abortion and a emotional abuse as a result of her relationship with Marcus.
Steve: Oh.
popculturediner: ah Moderators have confirmed that this woman had a relationship with Marcus, so I guess they corroborated her story in some way. um But her claims about his behavior are unconfirmed at this time.
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: um Yeah.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: ah This is pretty bad, too. um Another allegation against Marcus involves a TikTok comment shared on Reddit in the same thread um of the compiled allegations from a woman who claimed her boyfriend was stationed with Marcus in the army.
popculturediner: According to her boyfriend via her comment, Marcus would allegedly, quote, shoot dogs when they were deployed back in 2016.
Steve: Jesus yeah, that's
popculturediner: I don't know if any of this stuff is true. It's weird that several people are coming forward with stories.
Steve: a Mm -hmm Yeah
popculturediner: That's usually not a good sign. ah We know that he's had it rough and not excusing anything. But, you know, it's, you know, ah hurt people, hurt people kind of a thing.
popculturediner: I don't know. um but It's just so interesting because I'm like, oh, Marcus seems like he's been to therapy and he probably and hopefully he has.
Steve: Hopefully, he has you at this point.
popculturediner: um But I'm like, wow. And I mean, some of these allegations are from almost 10 years ago or longer.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: You know, who knows? You know, people can grow and change. But I would hope that if these things were true, that he would um be straightforward about it and
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: address them. I don't know. ah But that was something that I was like scrolling through my for you page and I saw something and I was like, Oh, oh, God, oh, this. Like, I feel like a lot of the times when you see this stuff, it's like, Oh, that tracks or I could see that or what and I mean, this kind of threw me like I was like, that's very different from the Marcus that we're seeing on TV.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: So, and not to say that
Steve: Yeah. Wow. That's a lot of stuff.
popculturediner: He's not different now, but like I don't want to excuse anything. And I also don't want to jump to any conclusion. So I'm just sharing what I read.
Steve: Put it out there. Put it out there.
popculturediner: I didn't say any of this stuff. Other people said this stuff and I'm saying it, but I was like, oh, it just kind of like tainted this whole.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: I just wanted to say it before we got into the date because it kind of tainted the whole date for me because I was just like.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: You're like, ehh.
popculturediner: ah I'm having a hard time with like the emotional poignancy of this and I don't tend to necessarily look into every person on the show unless something kind of like presents itself to me because every time I ever do that, then I get spoilers that I don't want.
Steve: Mm -hmm, mm -hmm.
popculturediner: um like um So So I'm really not going out of my way to see this stuff. But this one just ended up on my feed. And I don't know. So I'll share the Reddit. um So but yeah, there's trigger warnings on the Reddit itself. So but yeah, so I don't know. We'll see. We'll see where that goes, if if it goes at all. But yeah, the mod team. So this is on the bachelor subreddit.
popculturediner: um was able to verify the woman who left the comment at image six and Marcus knew each other and our sticky comment and image seven says we've only verified the relationship. um That's it, but not the allegations.
popculturediner: um And they have not verified the relationship of any other women who have made other allegations. So that's kind of the latest as of two days ago, but
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah, it just seems it just seems weird that we're not vetting people at all.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It's just like it's continually irresponsible.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: I just don't know why this keeps happening um and not to put a damper on because there's a lot of fun stuff and vindicating stuff ahead. But that was kind of a bummer.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: um But anyway.
Steve: I wonder what the vetting process is because like some of this stuff is like I like I don't know how you would know it.
popculturediner: They do like hundreds of pages of intake. I mean, you know, and they do like, don't they do like psych evaluations and stuff?
Steve: OK.
popculturediner: I thought.
Steve: Sure, sure.
popculturediner: I mean, people can hide things. People can, you know, obfuscate things.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I just. Yeah, there's some things you wouldn't know. There's some things that it would be hard to know, but you almost think that they should do something like. I don't know, interview some of the people that are, I don't know, but then maybe they'll talk nice.
popculturediner: It's hard to say.
Steve: Yeah, it's hard to say. Yeah, because if if you were like, like, if you were going on the show, and they were like, Okay, so your last like three serious relationships, like, we're gonna interview them.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: But like, I don't know, it'd be so hard to go back through everything. Obviously, you check their social media. And like, you know, you do that stuff.
popculturediner: Right.
Steve: But like, I don't know how you figure out if somebody shot a dog in Afghanistan.
popculturediner: Yeah, that's a good point.
Steve: I don't know how you do that.
popculturediner: That's a good point. Well, yeah, it's like I'm.
Steve: Or even even like someone is just like, oh, in 2012 I met this guy and and I was drunk and he like did something horrible.
popculturediner: I'm thinking like. Yeah.
popculturediner: I feel like it'll it's going to get easier to do that. as we move along in the next few years because I feel like a lot of like because with us like in college it's not like a lot of our stuff got documented or in high school you know what I mean it's like there's so much stuff that I'm like well I'm glad that was never on the internet um not that it was like not that it was like bad or anything but it's just like kind of embarrassing and kind of cringe and i like I don't you know you don't need to see my like drunkest moments or whatever like nobody needs to see that
Steve: No.
Steve: Yep, exactly. like
Steve: No.
popculturediner: Um, so, you know, it's like a lot of those things where, you know, maybe we were being a little silly goofy, like just never made it, but also just a lot of things didn't get publicized. Like if somebody was like bad news, it's like, I know that in our sorority, we had a whisper network of you don't go to that house alone.
popculturediner: You know, it's like we all knew what fraternity houses we could go to alone, which ones that we could accept a drink from a guy, you know, whatever. And like, which ones we should, you know, go as a group.
popculturediner: Is there something going on? Is there something haunted in your?
Steve: Yeah, there's a there's a cat in my window.
popculturediner: There's a cat in your window.
Steve: Yeah, it looks very nice. um It's just weird. Cause like you're talking and I swear to God I'm listening.
popculturediner: You're like,
Steve: And then, but then there's like a cat like looking at me. This is weird.
popculturediner: what what what's what What's the cat's color?
Steve: I'm going to try and take a picture of them. Uh, well there's, there's one walk by earlier that was black and that was nice.
popculturediner: Oh, there's two cats.
Steve: And then this one was kind of like, uh, kind of like a, like a tortoise shell with, uh, with little white boots.
popculturediner: And that was nice.
popculturediner: Oh, cute.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Oh, cute.
Steve: That was really nice.
popculturediner: Well, it sounds like good luck.
Steve: I'm sorry. We're talking about very serious things here and I and i apologize, but it's just weird.
popculturediner: Yeah. You were like.
Steve: Like when a cat is just like sitting, looking at you and then someone's saying something serious and I'm like, I don't know how to handle my life right now.
popculturediner: It's okay. That's okay. Um, no, but anyway, I was just saying like, you know, that's what we relied on. It's not like, I mean, we had the early days of Facebook.
popculturediner: It's like you had to have a college email to have Facebook and like, that's what we had.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Um, but we didn't really use it for that. It's like the, I knew, you know, there were houses that I went to alone and like would go hang out with You know the fraternity brothers and we would you know ah drink carlo rossie and watch you know Like adult swim and I knew I'd be safe like I knew I'd be fine and safe and like everything was cool and then there were houses where I
Steve: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Steve: Well, shout out Carlos Rossi.
popculturediner: Yeah. Well, there's this I'll never forget. There's like a memory I have of this one guy where he was he was pretty out of it. And he was like, Carla is my best friend. He's like hugging the It was good times.
Steve: Just the biggest, goofiest jug.
popculturediner: It was good times.
Steve: It looks like, like, you know, like some Midwestern homes have like the big jug that they put loose change into.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: It was like, what if that, but filled with the worst cabaret you've ever drank in your entire life.
popculturediner: Yeah, just like the trashiest wine. um Yeah, it was fun. That house had a ball pit in it, too. It was good times. So um yeah, so like there was that house that was like totally safe and fine.
popculturediner: And like I knew they were they were all like very nice ah people.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And then there were then there was like the house where, yeah, I think I went there once. I had like my fanny pack across my chest, like all the things I needed right here. And I like was linking arms with my sisters.
popculturediner: And I'm like, why are we even here? I don't think we stayed very long. So I'm like, I this
Steve: No, you shouldn't have to have the, like the buddies like you're climbing Mount Everest.
popculturediner: Yeah, I'm like, this gives me the weirdest vibes. I mean, we were lucky because our favorite house was like right next door. and And all the men there were really cool.
Steve: who
popculturediner: And they would hold our alcohol for us because we couldn't have it in the house.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So they would hold it for us. And they also, sorority culture is really weird. They would like serve our dinner like ah they worked at our house. Um, and they had like theme nights.
popculturediner: So it would be like, Oh, come over to our house and dress up on the theme night. And then we'll come over and like serve dinner in the theme outfit.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Um, and, and what, but what would happen is the men would come out with like short shorts and you know, like shirts tied, you know, tight. And then the girls would be wearing like full length, fully covered.
popculturediner: outfits. It was really cute. They're just the best. Anyway, so, you know, it's like, but now I feel like if someone, you know, it's like someone's on a plane and they have a wedding ring on and they start flirting with someone next to them, that's clearly not like the person they're with.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It's like somebody's filming it and they're like, this guy is no good. You know, it's, it's just like, there's so much more publicizing of that behavior than there ever was.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: know
popculturediner: Like when we were that age,
Steve: Yeah, yeah.
popculturediner: um So I feel like that kind of vetting you have a good point.
Steve: ah and There's kind of like a back and forth with it too.
popculturediner: Yeah Yes
Steve: So the the other thing is, is like one, yes. Like there's there's so many, I mean, there's so many more platforms and people just have like, you have a very nice high definition camera in your pocket that's connected to the internet that you can just stream video at any given time.
Steve: cool. Uh, but then there's kind of like the, like the pendulum swinging back on that, which I think like a lot of younger ish people, like young adults right now, like, you know, 1920, whatever.
popculturediner: mm hmm.
Steve: They've, they've kind of grown up in this space and it's just like, you, it's, it's, you could feel the crushing anxiety in them.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And it was interesting because I had like three or four interns who, And this was out of a group of maybe seven.
Steve: So like roughly 50 % of them, they were like, don't use Instagram. Don't use Snapchat. Don't use like they'll, they'll consume. Like they'll look at it, but they're like, I don't post shit just because it's just like too much.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And they're like, I don't want to fucking deal with it.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And I don't blame them because it's like, yeah, it's like everything is out there and that's just like yeah good or bad because
popculturediner: That's interesting. Yeah.
Steve: Like some things, like guys who are scumbags and end up on the bachelor, fuck yeah, like hopefully that won't happen in 10 years because there'll be documentation of that.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: But other shit, it's like, you see some things and like people are like, look at this piece of shit. buth blah blah bla but And it turns out, it's like, oh, there's a completely rational reason why this person was doing this thing.
Steve: And then you're like, ugh.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And then you have to like deal with their life being temporarily or sometimes not temporarily ruined for no reason.
popculturediner: Permanently, yeah, ruined.
Steve: you know And I always think about the like the the analog version of this was in the 90s where people would always make fun of like
popculturediner: Yeah, that's true.
Steve: Oh, the lady who said her coffee was too hot at McDonald's and she sued him.
popculturediner: Oh, yeah. huh
Steve: And it's like, no, bro. Like it like was so hot.
popculturediner: She had third degree burns.
Steve: Exactly. Like it's legit.
popculturediner: It was so scary.
Steve: But, but like she was the butt of like every hack late night joke.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Like Jay Leno, like, Oh, I just see this.
popculturediner: Yeah,
Steve: You hear about this. <unk>s lady my mammama
popculturediner: yeah frivolous lawsuits. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. um So yeah, i it it'll be interesting to see, but also it's like, God, i I can only imagine, I would love to hear from, you know, like an associate producer or some PA or whatever, like what that vetting process is like.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And like if they've had guys where they get really far along the process, like they're about to go on the show and then all of a sudden it's just like, oh no, he did a murder, like something like that.
popculturediner: Yeah, like the flags are so red, they have to like turn it away. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm wondering. But yeah, you have a good point. I mean, there's certain things that it's like until it's publicized, maybe no one is talking about it on the Internet.
popculturediner: And, you know, it's like I am like I am chronically online.
Steve: who
popculturediner: We all know this.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And I but I do also touch grass, thank goodness. um But it's like I always like, you know, it's like so I'll like be like, oh, what is what's that person up to? You know, that I went to high school with and I like go to Google them and I'm like, they have no web presence.
Steve: Yeah, it's really weird.
popculturediner: And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, because like, you know, and one of our old instructors, I came to speak at her class like last year, and she googled me live in class.
popculturediner: And I was like, Oh, that's scary. And my web presence looks so amazing. And I was like, look at that. And I was like, you know, it's like, it's like my LinkedIn, my website, my IMDB page, you know, these organizations I'm involved in my theater career,
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And I'm like, wow, wow. I look, I never Google myself. I'm like, I look pretty good. But it's like, it's weird to me. I'm like, Oh yeah, there's a lot of people that don't have a web presence or very, you know, it's, it's, I mean, that's my, that's my whole job, right? It's like people who don't have a web presence, helping them develop a web presence.
popculturediner: But, you know, and I also think about it's like I spend too much time watching like, I was just thinking like Brittany Dawn, you know, like, are you familiar with Brittany Dawn?
Steve: hu
popculturediner: Yeah, this fitness influencer, I'll make it brief, because we're going on so many tangents today, but that's what you're here for friends.
Steve: You know, who they're here for.
popculturediner: um So she's a fitness influencer. Well, she was a fitness influencer who like scammed people, because she made it seem like she was doing like a personalized fitness service, but it was like very formulaic.
popculturediner: And also, She kind of said it was ED friendly, but it was not ED friendly at all, according to people who were trying to avoid that kind of content and consumed her content. And they're like, this is not thoughtful at all. um But her husband is is a piece of work and um did shoot their dog. ah and
Steve: Why is everybody shooting dogs?
popculturediner: and Well, I'm just saying because I'm saying, well, that's why I was saying my mind went to like, oh, well, that's, you know, there was like another YouTuber that oh they also like shot their dog.
Steve: This has like been the year of the dog shooting.
popculturediner: They're out in like Idaho. um But like, and he also like allegedly, you know, ah you know, did a police brutality. We'll just say that. So, you know, it's like I'm kind of used to like these people who are very online and then like and like very brazenly document the bad things that they do and then still you know and then they're just like oh i've got so many haters and it's like well i mean i think you're doing legitimately bad things and i don't know if there's any road back to that but there's a lot of people who just yeah like they they just they don't they're not on the internet or you know and and then yeah so anyway so so i get that but but yeah just
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Not to soil this like very cutesy, wicked themed product placement of a day.
Steve: These are the same.
Steve: That's wicked fun date.
popculturediner: I do like that everything was pink and green, just absolutely everything.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And you know what that really means though, is it's just Cosmo and Wanda just everywhere. That's what that means.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Steve: A fairly odd parents.
popculturediner: or Yes.
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: Yeah. Cause people, people will film like, this is a tick tock thing. So anyway, I'm sure it's other places on the internet too, but people will film how often pink and green things are right next to each other and be like, Oh, that's Cosmo and Wanda hiding.
popculturediner: So it's like, you know, you're out, you're out in the wild or whatever.
Steve: Like your microphone?
popculturediner: You're like, yeah, like you're at a store or whatever. And you're like, Oh, that's Cosmo and Wanda. Oh, that's Cosmo and Wanda. And it's like, when you start looking for it, you realize like, Those pairings are all over the place and um but anyway, so that's all it was really a fairly odd parents promo in disguise Yeah, it was not for Glinda and Elphaba.
Steve: in disguise. Yeah, it wasn't for Wicked at all.
popculturediner: It was Yes Mm
Steve: Well, it was and it was a it was a very lovely, very elaborate date. And I think there was a there was a good bonding moment, too, because we know Jen has some like some like parent hang up divorce, dad abandonment stuff, family stuff going on.
popculturediner: -hmm
popculturediner: Yeah, family stuff. Yeah.
Steve: And Marcus was just like, cool, me too. And then how did she phrase it? Like, and they had a really good conversation and kind of like a deeper level of connection, which is nice.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: And then she was just like, yeah, we both have like interesting or unique or something families. I was like, ah, you kind of like, I feel like you're soft peddling that one.
popculturediner: Yeah. kind of put a veneer on it a little bit. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: But yeah, yeah, I it was really hard to hear him talk about. Yeah, like being at daycare one day and his parents just like never came to pick him back up.
Steve: just never came back which is nuts totally nuts like yeah that's just that is the weirdest thing because in my head I'm like like that's how you know it's a fucked up situation because who the fuck pays for daycare and also abandons their child there that is nuts I can't even square that it's crazy
popculturediner: That's horrific. Yeah.
popculturediner: Right.
popculturediner: That's awful. Yeah. Yeah, it's really, it's really sad. It's really awful. I mean, like, separating that from like, the allegations, you know, hearing him talk about his childhood and obviously the reason he's so close with a sister.
popculturediner: That was very like emotionally yeah poignant and very sad. And um I totally get why they're so close. And um and I get why that would make him feel like there is something wrong with him.
Steve: Yum, yum.
popculturediner: So I mean, I guess what I'm saying is, if this stuff is true, I hope he Owen's up to it and does what he can. you know It's not like you can undo anything. It's not like you can do anything to make it completely right or you know can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. but um i would hope i mean That'll show you, I guess, if he's grown and changed or not, how he responds to allegations like that.
popculturediner: so
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: There's like, there's like a really bad actor right now in like the cosplay community that just got outed again, like he had been outed a couple times and then he got outed again.
Steve: Oh, keeps rolling.
popculturediner: um And I mean, it's pretty bad i like because I even like a year ago when I heard about like one round of allegations and apparently the allegations started in 2018. So like this has been going on and probably before that, but at least since 2018. And the one I caught it, it was in 2023. And it was interesting because it's like if I had any doubts that you were guilty of these things.
popculturediner: um Those doubts flew out the window when you decided to respond by doing like those Minecraft voiceover videos as your response and like and do like voiceovers on commercials and do all this like satirical trolly shit.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: Oh, boy.
popculturediner: I'm like, you are clearly not taking this seriously.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And you think people are going to forget. And so it's like, yeah, someone's response kind of tells you everything you need to know in situations like this anyway.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So moving on, I do also think it's cool that um they they got on the you know, the baseball, the baseball field, the diamond.
Steve: Yeah, with their official wicked fireworks.
popculturediner: Yeah, they're like only pink and green fireworks. We are doing it legit. Don't worry about it.
Steve: but the The most wicked of the fireworks, please. Only those.
popculturediner: Yes. They're in the air, well, titty. So now they go to the radio station with Jubal and Bender. And it's, I've never heard of the show, but apparently, well, it was like Jason and Molly were on it long time ago.
Steve: No, that's Seattle morning show. Yeah.
popculturediner: And that was kind of, that was a fun tie -in that they're like, we're back. We're doing this radio show. And like Jason said, Molly was the best kisser on the show. Interesting, interesting.
Steve: o And this is great too because this is, I mean, what what we're about to witness and what we witnessed is
popculturediner: s um So that's kind of fun.
Steve: the like the I barely remember the rest of this episode because there's i mean there's this huge like the wicked date that like leads up to it and it's this big thing that they clearly want to be the focal point, but it can't be because the focal point is the dumbest man in the world is is making everyone very upset.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm Yeah Yeah, it's just so bad Yeah, that's the rest of the day.
Steve: And then after that, it's just the fallout and then that's that's all you could focus on.
popculturediner: Yeah, like the rest of the episode. Yeah, so this is wild okay cuz so they do this I mean it's it's wild because I radio hosts are programmed and trained to like respond to any sideways comment anyone says. like They can keep the conversation moving or they can make it interesting or whatever. like That's their job. Their job is to take whatever you give them and keep the momentum going and so if they get stopped in their tracks you know it's bad if they're just like i don't really know where to go from here it's like that's you know that the thing that someone is saying is so fucked up they they had no expectation of that response in their head and and it short circuits them and then they're like
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: ah Anyway, moving on to okay, interesting. um And so they do this like word association thing and like a lot of them were very, a lot of the answers were very cute, but I like literally forgot everything all the other men said except for the fact that I know they were cute, especially Jonathan, like his answers were a number one.
Steve: Yeah, when it was just like Rose and he's like me.
popculturediner: Yeah, I think that was Spencer.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: It was either Spencer or Jeremy. It was like, it was me. And then, yeah, so then they're like, fantasy sweep. And Sam goes, aggressive?
Steve: Aggressive.
popculturediner: I'm like, I hate that so much. I hate that so much.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And then, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Jonathan's adjectives I just wrote were really cute. um
Steve: Uh, can we talk about Sam's adjectives? Cause it was like three adjectives that describe, uh, you Jen or something.
popculturediner: I didn't even write them down. I, yeah.
Steve: It was, it was what we, I'm glad you didn't because it was nonsense.
popculturediner: Do you have him?
Steve: Um, one of them was.
popculturediner: OK, because that's why I didn't take a note.
Steve: One of them was a noun for sure.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: I remember that like he was like fire or something like that. It was just like, that's a noun.
popculturediner: That's a noun.
Steve: And then there was one like actual adjective. Um, like I think hes he probably said ferocious. And then his third one was he just talked like the third one was just literally three paragraphs.
Steve: What do you, what are you doing, Sam?
popculturediner: OK, so that's why I didn't.
Steve: um I wonder if I can find, I'm going to, I'm going to see if I could find it somewhere.
popculturediner: Yeah. um Yeah, so. I'm trying to find it on Reddit because there's, there's a post where someone just said, Sam, for the love of goodness, either stop talking or actually answer her questions.
popculturediner: I'm so stressed for this man. This is one of the worst things I've seen on The Bachelorette. What is he even saying? Um, yeah, he is undeniably self -absorbed.
popculturediner: Yeah, this was weird. So he called. Okay. So while you're looking or did you find him?
Steve: I found it.
popculturediner: Okay. Tell me.
Steve: Uh, he says, I would say fire strong passion to say that I've been doing nothing but falling in love with you since the first time we had a conversation. I didn't know you'd be able to show love the way I know how to it.
popculturediner: That's the note that I have. I did not realize that was answering the adjective question.
Steve: Yeah. It literally took you giving a toast saying cheers to a ferocious love to be so unorthodox reckless.
popculturediner: That's so bad.
Steve: That's what. I mean, those are words.
popculturediner: that's like the That's like the Miss South Carolina speech, such as, yeah, it's very much like, it's the same.
Steve: Oh my gosh. You asked Americans. Yes. That's what it is. This is, this is like every time he talks, this is the equivalent of like the Australian breakdancer lady. Like you're expecting one thing and you're like, I guess you're moving.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Did you? oh Oh, God, we don't need to get into this whole thing, but did you hear like all the controversy around it, like that basically she like voted herself in kind of.
Steve: Oh yeah. Yeah.
popculturediner: Oh, my God, it makes sense.
Steve: And then she's like an academic that studies it and I'm like, wow.
popculturediner: I knew that part, I knew that part at the beginning and I was like, you're making academics look bad.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: So like, that's not great. I don't like that. And then it's like she created a dance Federation in Australia and then like had her friends and family allegedly vote for her.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: so that she would get into the Olympics?
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: That's so weird and cringe. i I don't even know.
Steve: Very cringe.
popculturediner: And so offensive and ah kind of ah very racist ah and just really bad.
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: um And yeah, and then, you know, the lady who's like, that's what makes it hip hop, you know, her, she was like, because people are using her sound for the break dancing, she actually spoke on it.
Steve: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Steve: Oh my God.
popculturediner: Which we love her we love her. That's what that's what makes her hip -hop but cuz she's very she's like a genuine sweet person I don't think she's trying to be anything that she's not or anything like that, but she was like she like came up with how what she would call a the moves, you know, she was like, well, she kind of did like it came, she's like, I would call that a Boeing Boeing.
Steve: No.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And so then, and then it was like, she kind of did it like a Mr. Miyagi thing. So she's like, so I'd go Boeing, Boeing, Boeing, Boeing, Mr. Miyagi, or whatever. Like, she was just really sweet, really sweet.
popculturediner: Like the best response anyone's had to the break dancing.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: and um Anyway, yeah.
Steve: But the point being is just like, like, so just like the Australian break dancer was technically moving her body in a way that could loosely be described as dancing.
popculturediner: Sure.
Steve: You're like, what, what am I actually seeing? It's just, it's just nonsense.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: It's gibberish. It's absolute gibberish.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And not only is it gibberish, but it's not even about her.
popculturediner: Right, it's about him.
Steve: Every time he opens his mouth, it comes back to him. And it's and it's like a big dumb broken record.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And I got to tell you, I was like all caps messaging you like when this is happening.
popculturediner: Yeah, I was watching Deadpool and Wolverine, sorry.
Steve: Are you watching live? I can't even deal with this. Yeah, I was losing my mind, losing my mind.
popculturediner: That was still a good choice.
Steve: But I had friends over and Like two people were just like this. Another one of my friends was like this. And then one of my friends, he literally put his shirt over his head.
popculturediner: it
Steve: He's like a turtle. He couldn't even watch, watch it. It was just like, and I'm like this, and then just furiously texting you.
popculturediner: It was so bad. Yeah. Yeah. you What did you say to me? You said something about extreme reactions or something like that. You said, um, hold on. i Oh my God. I hope you're watching live. My whole living room is losing it at this radio station part. Sam is out Samming himself. You are going to love slash hate this so much.
popculturediner: That's what you said to me.
Steve: And that's the truth Aggressive Hmm
popculturediner: And that's the truth. And that's how I felt. And I was like, Oh my God, this is so bad. As soon as he said ah aggressive, I was like, I know it's going to get worse, but like, how much worse is this going to get?
popculturediner: And then, yeah, so yeah, falling in love with the the the term I hated so much or like the phrase I hated so much is when he said, like, I didn't know if you would be able to show love the way that I know how to. I was like, what?
Steve: yeah What does that mean?
popculturediner: And this is like, I mean, honestly, well, there's a lot where it's just like, pack it up, boys. Look at what's going on with Devin. But he like I do, so I do think his commentary was dead on.
popculturediner: He was just like, he talks and nothing comes out of his mouth.
Steve: Mm
popculturediner: And is not and he goes, I've been saying this since the beginning.
Steve: -hmm.
popculturediner: And I'm glad people are finally like seeing it in full because like, this is who he is. And like, this is what he does. And it's like driving me, you know, bonkers. And so, yeah. And the men are all like, but she is not feeling this because like they they like separate all the men leave and then like he's still in there and they're watching on the monitor and they're like, she hates this. And then They're like asking him more questions and he's just like not answering and Jen just keeps going like this doesn't make sense to me.
popculturediner: I don't get it. And to get out of trouble, he like goes well before that he goes, oh, well, you're not really my type.
Steve: Oh,
popculturediner: And he's like, I thought the bachelorette was going to be Daisy or Maria.
Steve: oh that was great.
popculturediner: And I was like, what the hell?
Steve: I know, thank god he didn't go on the one -on -one earlier, huh?
popculturediner: Oh, my God, he's
Steve: When Daisy was out there, he'd be like, yo, I thought it was gonna be you.
popculturediner: Yeah, he's like, I thought it was going to be Daisy or and Maria. And she's like, what? You know, it's like, why would you say? it And then it was like, but, you know, I do think this is working and I do think I'm falling in love.
popculturediner: It's like then.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I mean, I would say all of them. I mean, there's so many men on. I mean, some people have been like the men are that great. I think the men that are really there for her, though, are really there for her and have not wavered and are really cool and are saying great things and doing great things and being very consistent.
Steve: Sure.
popculturediner: So I'll give them credit for that. And not I mean like, oh what the hell you make it this far. And then you say, Yeah, you weren't really my type. And he acted like he was just like super infatuated with her from like second one.
Steve: who
popculturediner: So I'm like, clearly none of that is real. That is just like all complete bullshit. And then they start kissing and Jonathan like covers because basically he does it to get out of trouble.
popculturediner: She's like, this doesn't make sense to me. I don't get it. He can tell that he's losing her.
Steve: Uh, my love language is physical touch.
popculturediner: And so he's like, well, let's let's kiss. Yeah. And then Jonathan's like, no, don't look, don't look at this green, gross snow.
Steve: Honestly,
popculturediner: And I'm like, thank you for sparing us. um Yeah.
Steve: honestly this is the best thing that could have happened because, you know, a lot, of a lot of times in the bachelor, you'll have a guy who is he's, he's not there for the right reasons, or he's a shithead or, you know, someone, or just someone that the guys don't like.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Yeah. Mm hmm.
popculturediner: Like a jet or whatever. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. And then frequently they will, they will take this horrible gamble, which historically it doesn't work out well because all it's going to do is, is upset whoever the bachelor of the bachelorette is.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: And that's where you go to the person and you're like, someone's not here for the right reasons or so -and -so is bad news or whatever.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And it's just, and then from that chaos, you hope that you get your desired result.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: It is much easier. When the person is both a piece of shit and a colossal moron, because all you have to do is let them show their ass. This is a good lesson in life that many times you don't, you don't have to go tell somebody you don't have to, you know, do this, do that. Just step back.
Steve: Shut your mouth and let them embarrass themselves And that is exactly what he did and that it was perfect because the moment that he was able to do that in like this long -form spectacle it It became abundantly clear who he was
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's like they say like light is the greatest disinfectant, right? Like, you know, yeah, I mean, it's funny, there was somebody I dated and then like one of my friends dated them afterwards and was like, is that okay with you kind of like came to me and I was going to be like,
popculturediner: Well, I mean, I just don't think it's going to work out because of what I know about this person. But I was like, I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say, yeah, of course, I support you. You're my friend. I support you. And then it was like the same things happened to them that happened to me.
popculturediner: And it wasn't anything dangerous. It wasn't like they were in, you know, they were going to get harmed or anything. It was just like this person is like emotionally immature and like just not a good person to date.
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: um And so I didn't I wasn't like I'm not like putting someone in harm's way.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I was just like, yeah, okay. Yeah, you have my, cause I'm like, otherwise I'm just going to seem like weird jealous, hater, you know? So like some things you just kind of have to learn for yourself.
Steve: Mm -hmm. Let them do it.
popculturediner: And then they came back to me and they were like, Oh my God, you know? And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I did. i But if I told you, you wouldn't have believed me.
Steve: Mm
popculturediner: And they said, You know what, you're right. I wouldn't have believed you because I would have just thought you didn't want me to date them after you or whatever.
Steve: -hmm.
popculturediner: And I'm like, Yeah, I just so I just had you had to see for yourself.
Steve: Nope.
popculturediner: And now that you've seen for yourself now, you know, and it's like, yeah, there's definitely like, Sam is 100 % like that. um And he's just like, he's just like, there's nothing about him that's real.
popculturediner: There's nothing about him that's genuine. And, you know, I don't know, having been with people like that and ah one person like that for a long time, I've seen it.
Steve: He's too dumb to be genuine.
popculturediner: I know it when I see it.
Steve: He's genuinely stupid!
popculturediner: and it's
Steve: Ha!
popculturediner: It's just like, it's like, you know, build a personality, but then they like forgot to put that little felt heart in or whatever at the end. It's just, there it it's disjointed sound bites that mean nothing in the combination that he's chosen.
Steve: who
popculturediner: And, and the fucking thing that was so bizarre and weird in this whole thing too was like at the end, I don't remember if it was, it was that moment, right? And then it happened again when she like,
popculturediner: confronted him again. This was the first time that he had said, I love you, right?
Steve: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And she was like, what?
Steve: Yeah, the emergency the emergency shoot.
popculturediner: What are you talking about?
Steve: Yeah, because he he literally like he's just like, oh, ferocious love and the the love and the love and I love you.
popculturediner: Oh, no. Yeah, that happens later. I think that happens later that night. I think that's what it was. Right.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: OK, anyway, well, we'll get to that then. But yeah, yeah, that's what it was. It was that night. So it wasn't at the radio station, but he started calling himself selfless. And then he said something about being kept in a closet.
popculturediner: I'm like, what the hell? They like cut it in a way that was even funnier.
Steve: Yeah, it was deranged.
popculturediner: Yeah. Because I'm like, why did you even say that?
Steve: The whole thing was so cringy.
popculturediner: Like, where in what context would that make sense? um But yes. Yeah.
Steve: And he just tries to bail himself out with the kiss at the end, too. he's like He literally goes, my love language is physical touch, like just apropos of nothing.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: And then he just grabs her face and kisses her.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And I'm just like, ugh, ugh, ugh.
popculturediner: Yeah, that just feels non -consensual. Anyway, so yeah, so that was so strange. ah We get some moments before we get to, or at night, I think, yeah, um where Grant says falling in love. And I was like, I just don't think it's gonna be his time. And then ah Jonathan says the feelings I have for you have skyrocketed, which I thought was very cute. um Team Jonathan. And then ah Spencer,
popculturediner: This was a weird statement from Jen. She's like, I see you trying. It's like, oh, like he's just like, you know, I'm, you know, she's like, and I see you trying.
popculturediner: Yeah. And I'm just like, but it's not gonna go anywhere.
Steve: Good try. Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I see you trying.
Steve: Nope.
popculturediner: But that's it. That's it. Not that's all. um Jen, yeah, feels like Devin gets her. And this is an important part. This would be a ah big ah foam board or, you know, felt board moment because Jen says she's falling for Devin.
popculturediner: She has not said that about any other man.
Steve: ah
popculturediner: Pack it up, boys.
Steve: And he's, yep, ah he's, he's been first place.
popculturediner: She took it upon herself to say that. Oh, yeah, he's in first place.
Steve: I already said that like him, him and Sam were, were top of the heap and they both have some volatile shittiness to them.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: So it's like, okay, who's going to explode first and the doofus exploded.
popculturediner: Sam.
Steve: So now Devin, all he has to do is coast.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: and not cause conflict and it's easier for him to not cause conflict because one, there's just fewer people in the house, like mathematically, it's harder for him to do.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And two, because of the nature of what we're going into, which is hometowns and then fantasy suites, there's actual like less direct interaction with the other contestants.
popculturediner: ah Yeah.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: So um it's Devin's game to lose.
popculturediner: Well, and I don't think he yeah. Yeah. And I don't think he's in conflict with any of the other men that are left. Like he's never been in conflict with any of them that I can think of.
Steve: No.
Steve: No, I think i think like yeah like Spencer was just kind of exacerbated by everything.
popculturediner: I think he was like writing on code, I mean, a little bit with, was it with Jeremy, a little bit, but it that wasn't even that bad.
Steve: Mm -hmm. No, it wasn't that bad.
popculturediner: Like Jeremy was kind of like, i Jeremy's the type of person that I think would just let it go.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Like he doesn't dwell on anything like that guy that was kind of a dick in the first episode, he was like bothered by it and then he just kind of like brushed it off. So he just, I don't know, he seems very emotionally mature to me.
popculturediner: So it's not like he would, I don't think, um but concern himself with that you know in any major way.
Steve: Mm
popculturediner: Um, so anyway, so we get to, so yeah, so that's so, so now she talks to Sam and, and then he starts like talking down to her, which I thought was really weird. And then, yeah. And then she's like, she's got him in a corner and then then he gets all flustered.
popculturediner: And then he's just like, well, I just wanted to, I didn't want to tell you this right now, but I love you. And she's like, what? Like, where did that come from?
Steve: Oh, it's a total bailout move.
popculturediner: Like, yeah. And he's just, it's just so weird.
Steve: It's a total bailout move. This is, this is what people do. They're like, okay, I gotta, I gotta shoot for the moon.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm It's like that cologne guy remember that cologne guy He pulled that out and then it was like instant Rejection and then it was kind of like and then it was kind of like one of those well I think you're ugly anyway, and he didn't quite say that but you know, I mean it was like it was like I mean when Us ladies have seen that where it's like you get a text message from someone on a dating app and they're like you're the most beautiful glorious creature I've ever seen it or whatever and then you're just like
Steve: Cause I'm in the toilet. So this, this will do it. Come on, man. Oh yeah. Cologne guy. No instant rejection.
popculturediner: I'm not really interested in they're like, you're ugly and fat and I hate you and you're a whore. And you're like, OK, like, good I'm glad I saw it now, because ah if you ever stood a chance, you sure don't now.
Steve: a Yeah. Mm -hmm. Good.
Steve: Why not both?
popculturediner: um Yeah. um So then, oh, OK. So, yeah. So Jen's like, there's no substance here. And I'm like, please follow that feeling. It's like she's been saying that since the beginning.
popculturediner: And every time she says that, I'm like, please just get him gone.
Steve: Yeah, and and this is this is good because honestly, like with what Jen has been saying about her past relationships, what she's been saying about what she wants from a partner and all this stuff, it's like, yeah, you have to come to the real realization because I don't think as a sidebar, Jen seems like a really good person and I bet she's really fun.
popculturediner: He needs to leave.
popculturediner: Yeah. sir
Steve: I don't think she's the most mature, emotionally intellectually person that we've ever had in this position. And why should she be? She's like, she's young.
popculturediner: She's young. Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. And she's, she doesn't have a lot of experience with healthy, loving relationships.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: So, you know, and that's not great either.
popculturediner: Mm
Steve: So if you want these things, it starts by making the right decisions and the realization that certain people suck.
popculturediner: hmm.
Steve: You know what?
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: If you meet Sam at a bar and you want to go home with him and sleep with him, good on you. Don't date a Sam. Don't ever date a Sam.
popculturediner: Mm -mm.
Steve: And this is the point where she's like, oh my God, there's nothing there. And if there's nothing there, maybe I need more than that, than just an empty husk.
popculturediner: Yeah, like maybe there's nothing to build on here. Maybe there's just nothing I can do.
Steve: hu
popculturediner: But it's like, yeah, it's like she knew it the whole time. So I think she's like smarter than she's even giving herself credit for.
Steve: Yes.
Steve: Mm -hmm trust your instincts Mm
popculturediner: And she knew it the whole time. She's talking about it. But it's like, but I've been there. I've 100 percent been there. So like I definitely relate to this where she's looking for You know, it's like I was in a bad situation.
popculturediner: I knew intellectually that it was a bad situation, but I was like waiting for people from the outside to see it and tell me and nobody would.
Steve: -hmm
popculturediner: And so then I was like, well, maybe I'm. not seeing this stuff. Maybe it's fine. Maybe I'm overreacting.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing. And that's how you stay in toxic relationships, because if someone doesn't and sometimes you won't even listen. If someone tells you you won't even listen.
popculturediner: So it's just like it's this vicious cycle. It's really hard to get out of, like not saying it's like cult deprogramming, but it's kind of like cult deprogramming, where it's just like you've been in this alternate reality for so long that the things that you take like you just accept certain things as normal and don't think of any other way the relationship dynamic could be or any other way that you could feel you just think like these these feelings I have are normal and this way that I'm thinking is normal and our dynamic is normal and then you get out of it and you're like why didn't I see it before oh my god that's so dysfunctional it's so bad
Steve: Mm -hmm.
Steve: Now, so you're in a fog, basically. Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: And yeah.
Steve: Yeah, and and you're right, too. It's hard. And not only is it difficult if you are in normal people world, but when you're in the world of The Bachelor, The Bachelorette,
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Uh, no one's going to tell you that this is bad because the the producers are licking their chops and rubbing their hands together because it's great.
popculturediner: right They're like, they're like, this guy's toxic.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: This is fun. And, you know, and it's like, unless, I mean, you know, and it's like, you can form close relationships with producers.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: We know people do, but yeah, you don't know fully if you can trust them.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And also like, the men weren't really forthcoming ah about him either.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: You know, they were kind of talking about it amongst themselves, but they didn't really bring a lot of grievances, maybe a little bit, but not a lot of grievances about Sam to her. So You know, and it's, and that's always a thing that's hard to do too, because it's like, if you, if it's not enough men, then they run the risk of getting eliminated.
popculturediner: Um, if the other person's good enough at sweet talking, sometimes it doesn't matter. Sometimes it brings them closer together. So it's like, it's one of those things that's really tough to do, but it's like, it's clear that she was kind of looking for external signals.
popculturediner: And I don't know if it was like the radio host that helped. I feel like it partially it was because it's like, he would say this nonsense and they'd go, oh okay, so, or they'd go, huh.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Like they had no idea what to say.
Steve: Yeah, they' they didn't any they didn't know what to do with it.
popculturediner: They were at a loss and it was like, yeah.
Steve: and And she doesn't have anyone coming to her and saying like like, yo, this is bad.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm.
Steve: And she doesn't have anyone that she can bounce things off on and be like, hey, so he said this, and I'm thinking this.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm.
Steve: What do you think of that? There's none of that. So yeah, having that external validation from a radio show host being like, what the What's wrong with this guy basically?
popculturediner: Yeah, they were just like, uh, okay. And it's like, yeah, Jen Smart, she can pick up that they're uncomfortable and she's also uncomfortable. And she's like, wait a minute, I'm confused.
popculturediner: This is not what I thought it was gonna be. I don't think there's any substance here. Okay, now he's telling me he loves me. There's no reason he should say that.
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: And the only man I took it upon myself to say, I'm falling for you too, was Devin. And that feels very different than this feels.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: Hmm.
Steve: I wonder Oh No, no, no one has this is classic bachelor guy just
popculturediner: Interesting, you know. And so OK, so then she goes on a date with Jeremy and my favorite part about the Jeremy date. Well, first of all, I was pleasantly surprised how well the date went because I just kind of wrote him off and thought he was not making it to hometown.
popculturediner: So sorry, Jeremy. We both thought you did not make it to hometown.
Steve: you know he's He's playing it cool and he's he's riding the strength of the failures of of his ah you know fellow bachelor contestants.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: That's it.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah he's He's waiting for them to fall so he can step right in. And that's what he's been doing.
popculturediner: Kudos.
Steve: So Jeremy, again, ah is is he an A plus man? I mean, maybe not. No, he i mean he seems like a fine human being, but he's not he's not like ah Prince Charming.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: And what he is, though, is he smart enough to know when to when to hold them and when to fold them and how to play the game.
popculturediner: Yeah, he's good. He's really good. Well, and so and like I've said before, like you can't discount funny. You can't discount silly. Jen likes his sense of humor.
Steve: who
popculturediner: He's obviously like funny and clever and kind of like snarky. And I understand the appeal. So I'm not going to judge.
Steve: ye
popculturediner: I get it. um So.
Steve: But he's also basically like he fills the same void in in the group of men.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Like you if you look at the group of men holistically, you're okay. You're like, okay, this guy is this thing. This guy is this thing. This is whatever. So Jeremy and Spencer are basically the same thing, right?
popculturediner: Yeah, except Spencer's more like, I mean, I didn't call him golden retriever, but he's more Jack Russell than Jeremy is.
Steve: So
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: I mean, there's, there's subtle differences, but essentially they fill the same role. So then it becomes a question of, all right, well, Sam's dead in the water, but can a Jeremy and a Spencer exist at the same time?
Steve: And I still think the answer is no.
popculturediner: No, you'd have to pick one, yeah.
Steve: Cause last week I was like, Jeremy and Spencer are both gone because they're both the same thing and I don't think they're winning. So.
popculturediner: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, yeah, I think Jeremy is the like, yeah, like the smart snarkier, a little bit more serious. um And Spencer is like the more sincere, you know, version of each other.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I think that that's kind of how I would distinguish the two of them. um But Yeah, I think they had a good date. um He's kind of game for stuff. And they did kind of like a normal person date, which is always good.
popculturediner: Like if you have fun in a normal person date, then like, you know, that bodes well for you.
Steve: Mm hmm.
Steve: Yeah, it was good. They enjoyed each other.
popculturediner: Like they did the yeah, they did like the catching fish and you know, yeah, they did and the gum wall and you know, like all that fun, you know, all the touristy stuff that you got to do.
Steve: And also, oh, yeah, the fish catch, which I was waiting for the whole time. Mm hmm. All the Seattle stuff. Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah I mean, this, that was literally me like watching the show.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: So after the cringe fest, I, I mean, and throughout the cringe fest, basically the whole time I had a glass of wine in one hand and I was just pointing at the TV. Why are they going to throw the fish? And then they finally threw the fish.
popculturediner: They threw the fish.
Steve: So
popculturediner: So that's one thing I, not not the fish necessarily, but I, I was like, wasn't that Pike place? And it was, uh, Keith eats the menu, went to the Pike place market. And I was pleasantly surprised with how much food was there.
popculturediner: Like I didn't realize like how big it was and neither did he when he went and he got some food that I'm like, I really want to try that. So yeah, so I would go. I would I you know, I don't care how touristy it is.
popculturediner: That food looks good as hell. And there's like, I don't know.
Steve: Mm -hmm.
popculturediner: I think he said like over 100 vendors or something like that.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: It's like huge. Like I kind of pictured it like the Milwaukee Public Market that which has like maybe 20 vendors, you know.
Steve: Uh, voted best public market in the country.
popculturediner: Listen, I love it. I'm not you know, I love it.
Steve: We also have the 14th best skyline in, in the world.
popculturediner: Fourteenth.
Steve: 14th.
popculturediner: In the world, that's pretty good.
Steve: Yeah. In the world. That's pretty good.
popculturediner: I mean, I think our skyline is really good. So I say are like, I still live there.
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: Close enough. Your heart's here.
popculturediner: Uh, yeah, exactly.
Steve: Don't worry. ah Yeah. So the day goes well. And then the other thing is too, is you get to the dinner part before you get the rose. You have to get to the point where, especially this deep in, you you got to have at least like one real human being conversation.
popculturediner: Talk about the personal stuff.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And they had one which rarely comes up, which is religious stuff. But he's just like, Hey, you want to do Jewish things with me?
popculturediner: Yeah, it was it was sweet.
Steve: And she's like, I do Jewish stuff all the time. It was great.
popculturediner: Yeah, it was cute.
Steve: It was well.
popculturediner: And then she was like, well, I'm Buddhist and he's like, oh, but Buddhist, Jewish children. I think that's cute. And I'm like, that's cute. Like that was cute.
Steve: Yeah, sure, yeah, why not?
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah, it was sweet. Yeah. So I was like, that totally, yeah, it makes sense. It like, yeah, it totally works. Pike Place Market has 23 restaurants and hold on.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: And I had to look this up. And 48 eateries. And um also they have some specialty food shops um to the tune of 56 specialty food shops. I don't know the difference between the specialty food shops and the eateries. Don't ask me. um They also have retail
Steve: It's a legal distinction.
popculturediner: ah it's Yeah, who knows they have 201 retail shops and Yes, and some of these might overlap a little.
Steve: Wow.
popculturediner: I don't know. I'm just looking at the listing. They have 165 under the crafts market category and then they also have a a farmer's market that is 71 vendors.
popculturediner: So when I say big, I mean, I had no idea how big Pike Place Market was. I just kind of thought, I don't know what I thought.
Steve: who
popculturediner: I just thought maybe it's like twice as big as the public market or something like that.
Steve: Yeah, it just sounds like about 10 times as big.
popculturediner: And it's like 10 times the size, yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: And I was like, oh, well, that sounds pretty cool. ah So anyway, ah so there you go, Seattle. I gave you a thing that I would like to go do.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: um So yeah, I yeah i said that i thought the they conversation about like kids and religion and stuff was cute. And I think the date went well enough to warrant a rose. I totally get that.
popculturediner: And so I prewrote the rose ceremony choices. um I was like, it's Jonathan and and Devin. Like, who else would you pick?
Steve: Yep.
popculturediner: You're not gonna pick anyone else.
Steve: Who else would you pick? Yeah.
popculturediner: And so, and so then, you know, but like, so the, this was cute too. The guys are like doing a crossword. And Jen's like, Sam, can I talk to you?
popculturediner: Um, and then yeah, and then he says like the same stuff. He's like, I love you. And she's like, what are you talking about? Like, this is so weird. Like, I have to dump you.
popculturediner: Like, this is just not, I, I didn't have a lot to say about this part because it was just kind of a repeat of what happened on the date.
Steve: Oh yeah, it was it was the exact same thing.
popculturediner: It wasn't anything that was like that different. Yeah.
Steve: And I think she was trying to be like, okay, so that felt weird and and it was bad. And maybe it was because he was like on this radio station and and now that we're in like a more normal setting or whatever, he can collect himself.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: She was basically giving him a second chance. She was like, I don't want to be right.
popculturediner: Yeah, like maybe it was like maybe he was flustered maybe you know whatever and then he and the weird thing is he like delivered the I love you the same way like he hadn't said it before which is very much like
Steve: Yeah. Making excuses, but fair enough, fair enough, right?
popculturediner: like someone put a paperclip in his back and reset him.
Steve: Yeah, yeah. And and also i should I should also clarify that when I say she's giving him a second chance, this is like the hanging by a thread second chance because the way that she like barged in and she was just like, fuck this, no cocktail party.
popculturediner: Yeah, very weird.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: You guys can keep doing your crossword puzzle. I need to see Sam.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: And then all the guys were just like, I mean, they literally cut to them during, you know, Sam once again, eviscerating himself on national television, ah but they cut to the guys and they were like, have you ever seen or heard a woman like barge into a room and demand to speak to someone like that?
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And it's a good thing.
popculturediner: Right, right, Spencer.
Steve: Like it's never a good thing.
popculturediner: Yeah, Spencer was like ah he said I had the exact thing. and Yeah, did you have a woman approach you with that energy and it was good?
Steve: No answer is now no, no.
popculturediner: He's like, no, no, absolutely not.
Steve: And Sam, absolutely, he's still like marble -mouthed the same bullshit.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: ah he's He's talking in circles. It's all gibberish. Nothing makes sense. And basically, i the the way that I described it to my friends when we were sitting around watching this is it's like the kid who can't improv at all.
Steve: And he didn't even bother to read the cliff notes.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: And he's trying to give the book report for the book and he only read the back cover.
popculturediner: sir
Steve: And that's it. It's, and it's, it's embarrassing.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: Like it's not only bad and it's not only so transparently obvious, but it's embarrassing for everyone else in the room.
popculturediner: yeah
Steve: You're just like, Oh.
popculturediner: Right. But yeah, it's like that's what happens when there's when you don't have those feelings of your own, ah that personality of your own, like it when it's not actually coming from you, that's the kind of stuff that comes out.
Steve: Yep. Yep.
popculturediner: And he's just like a blank piece of paper. You know, speaking of paper,
Steve: Yep.
Steve: Do tell.
popculturediner: paper tomorrow's my paper anniversary and I can show you what I got for Tuck.
Steve: Oh, wow.
popculturediner: So i I typed up a letter all about what paper means to me and then I actually ran out of ink on my typewriter and so I had to like hand write the rest of it so there's like a a whole handwritten please but it's all about how thank you it's all about how paper ah featured in our lives
Steve: Wow. That's really sweet. Look at you.
popculturediner: So like how paper has played a role in my life, his life, our relationship, the moments in which paper was pivotal, ah which I didn't think I was going to get that literal. And then I kind of sat down and I was like, you know what? And when I think about it, it all has to do with paper.
Steve: does Does he know it's the paper anniversary?
popculturediner: Yes. Yeah.
Steve: Okay.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: I i know it's your paper anniversary ah because, and this is the only reason why, it's because I used to have the paper and packaging board ah as as one of my clients.
popculturediner: He knows it's paper anniversary.
popculturediner: Uh -huh. Oh, sure.
Steve: So they were like, the beef, it's what's for dinner version, but it's paper.
popculturediner: Interesting.
Steve: So I had to do a gigantic activation on the paper anniversary.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And at the time I was like, I don't know, I was in my twenties.
popculturediner: Wow.
Steve: I was just like, what the fuck is this?
popculturediner: Yeah, I was like, are we going to do the thing?
Steve: ah
popculturediner: Are we going to do the thing and like do the theme? And he was and we're kind of like suckers for a theme. And he was like, we're going to do the theme.
Steve: Good for you guys.
popculturediner: And I was like, OK, well, let's do the theme. So, yeah, thank you.
Steve: That's nice.
popculturediner: Yeah. And actually on our paper dating anniversary, he got me because this will no, no, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was two years ah too bad that didn't time out right.
popculturediner: Well, before our anniversary one year, he got me paper, toilet paper earrings. um They were like beaded and they look like toilet paper rolls because this was after like the toilet paper shortage.
popculturediner: So this was two years in, so it wasn't quite, oh well, too bad. But yeah, so he got, oh no, he did give me those for one year. And then I was like, how weird is it that the next year there's this shortage?
popculturediner: Oh my gosh, I totally remember now.
Steve: Hmm Oh Yeah, well cuz It's it's and it's nice because it's sincere and also you guys love each other and and when you really like somebody ah Even before you tell him you love him
popculturediner: And I might have typed it wrong on the letter. Anyway, it's okay. It's charming. It's from the heart. But all this stuff that I wrote about, you know, was all stuff that came from my brain and our my heart and our experience. And I ran out of ink and I still was like, I want to make sure I get this stuff down. And then I, you know, framed it and whatever.
Steve: you You tend to pay attention to like little things and then and then you you store those memories and they make you happy.
popculturediner: Yes.
popculturediner: And then you can put them on a thing and then say, I, I wrote down, you know, he drew me a diagram.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: We were at a movie. This was, I don't remember. We had been dating for like a week or a week, a month or two, and we were at a movie theater and he's like drawing me this diagram about like, Oh, when I was young and my girlfriend was next door, we saw a UFO and here was her backyard and here's the trees and here's the door.
popculturediner: And here's like, And here is the ah flying saucer and he's drawing it. And I was like, and for some reason it was incredibly endearing to me. And I was like, that's like the coolest thing.
Steve: who
popculturediner: I don't know. Cause he was just like casually drawing this diagram. That was like pretty good. Cause he's an artist and he's like good at art and stuff. And so I was like, wow, that's but really cool. And I like that a lot. And so I put that in there, you know, cause I pay attention.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I pay attention.
Steve: Unlike Sam, who has nothing to say, but it's interesting because, you know, I keep going back to when they're at the radio station and I can't remember if it was Devin or Spencer or whoever, but they were like, like at one point like, what well, what do you, you know, what makes her so blah, blah, blah, or whatever.
popculturediner: Right. Exactly.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: And he couldn't say anything. And then Spencer, somebody's like, he's like, I can name like five things like right now. You know, it's just.
popculturediner: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's like all the other men who are there have specific things to say that are gen specific. They're not just like nice things you'd say about somebody that you love or care about.
Steve: No.
popculturediner: Like they're just like, yeah, I think it's so, you know, it's like, and you even on like the Marcus day, you know, he's talking about, you know, the fast and slow and the, you know, and it's like,
popculturediner: understanding the differences in their dynamics, and like why that could be an issue. But why it could also be a strength, you know, it's like, Oh, if I kind of let her take the reins sometimes and let go of of just always holding back, maybe that's a good thing. But I could also balance her out. It's like, that's an extremely observant you know thing to say and yeah like the men on the show are saying these like really nice thoughtful things that show that whatever time they're spending with her they're trying to really get to know her and he's yeah he's just saying like well I mean well when you said ferocious love and I say reckless love I thought that was like a sign and that we could just write on that forever
Steve: Yeah, which is just.
popculturediner: you know And it's like, but what else? But what else? And he's like, well, but I i have that fer ferocious reckless love and I love you. and they're And she's like, why? And he's like, because you're selfless or I'm selfless. And then he started saying all the selfless stuff. And she's like, but I don't understand how that has anything to do with me. It kind of sounds like you could put any girl in that place.
popculturediner: And it would apply and he's like, well, but it is you because like you're here. And she's like, that's not good enough.
Steve: a
popculturediner: Like.
Steve: Amazing.
popculturediner: You know, like all these other men are saying like, I really like this specific quality about you and what you're bringing to the table. And I've spent time watching you do these things and, and it's, and I'm really impressed with you.
popculturediner: And, you know, and it's, and he's just like, well, you're not quite my type, but I'm here.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: So I love you. Like, what?
Steve: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous.
popculturediner: What do you mean?
Steve: It's completely ridiculous.
popculturediner: So you want to know? Yeah. You want to know what Sam thinks about his portray, portrayal?
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: OK.
Steve: i I would love, cause didn't he do, he did like a follow -up, like he did like an internet, like Instagram video or something.
popculturediner: I'm sure he did. um Apparently, on a TikTok video, this is from Bustle, on a TikTok video, he responded and said, well, context, context, context. And then he elaborated under a second video.
popculturediner: Someone said um something went wrong. And he said, most felt like that, rightfully so. I even felt like that. It was incredibly disheartening to be portrayed in that fashion. That was apparently on from week three.
popculturediner: And he said something like, The truth will come out. I'm legally, I'm not allowed to speak on it. And now I'm figuring out why. um And Jen said what I always said. Jen said exactly what I always said. and on a love On the Love to See it podcast, she said, listen, nobody can put words in your mouth. You are the person that is saying those things. And so sometimes you got to take responsibility for the things that are coming out of your mouth.
Steve: Now,
popculturediner: It's like they can cut it any way they want, but you are saying those words.
Steve: Mm -hmm Yeah, I'm sure yeah, she's I'm sure she's come on come on
popculturediner: And you can choose not to say those words. So you are responsible for anything that comes out of your mouth. um But apparently, yeah, like, let's see, Sam's sister is like, No, that's not what he's like.
popculturediner: Well, sure, you would say that. Yeah. Yeah, but but they're just like, oh, oh, that was like the him giving her shit about not jumping.
popculturediner: And he's like, context, context, context. I'm like, I don't I don't know about that.
Steve: Yeah, that's, that's doesn't make any sense.
popculturediner: um Yeah. And then, yeah, he said something about um let's see. In addition to the social media support, Sam Simley showed up from the month since filming wrapped from watching The Bachelorette together just spending time with the great outdoors. Anyway, so apparently he said, what I've learned is to chase what fills your heart on a recent post and chase it with a fire that illuminates your soul. Again, kind of sounds like Ray Dunn. And then he left The Bachelorette season and he said he promised to keep the main thing the main thing by finding the right person to spend his life with.
popculturediner: um I hope he's not on paradise. Good lord, I hope he's not on paradise.
Steve: No. Well, we'll have to wait a little while too, because, well, I mean, we should, we should get to the, um, the rose ceremony here, which goes mostly how you think it's going to go.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: And, but, but the, there's, there's two big takeaways from this week, which is ABC finally renewed paradise after some back and forth. Uh, but we're not going to get it for a while, probably until next summer.
popculturediner: Well, we're getting Joan, at least.
Steve: Yeah, we're getting gel, we're getting golden, but they're not going to do the parallel.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Uh, so.
popculturediner: That's so surprising.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Did you wait?
Steve: So it's okay.
popculturediner: I don't actually know the ins and outs of this.
Steve: So they had ABC had not yet renewed paradise ah because they were trying to figure out their schedule because now there's so much bachelor ring going on.
popculturediner: Just so much bacheloring.
Steve: And yeah. And so they finally renewed it, but obviously it's mid August, you know, like you can't, you can't run it and during its normal period because they have shot it yet.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: the
Steve: ah So they they it's renewed, but there is no intel on when they're actually going to film it, and then consequently when it will run.
popculturediner: Wow.
Steve: ah So if I had to guess, they're probably going to take this cycle off, and then they're going to give us golden straight into a bachelor into a bachelorette, into a paradise.
popculturediner: Mm hmm. Into a paradise.
Steve: That would be my guess.
popculturediner: Are we going to get winter games?
Steve: ah I know that that was also the thing that I was clamoring for with my glass of wine in my hands.
popculturediner: Because I loved winter games, I loved winter games.
Steve: Oh, you and me and nobody else, but yes.
popculturediner: It was so good.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah So that so that's going on. But we we we do we make it to the the rose ceremony. And I mean, things are kind of shaking out the way you would expect because Sam is sent home because he is a giant doofus.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: And so who goes home?
popculturediner: Yeah, that's putting it mildly.
Steve: Well, uh, not surprisingly, see you later, Spencer, who sadly like calls his mom and it's just like, I'm like, bro, don't do that on TV.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm. That was so cute. He's like, mommy. And she's like, hi, Spent. Hi, honey.
Steve: But it's so sad.
popculturediner: Yeah, she's like, oh, no. Oh, honey.
Steve: Yeah. Oh God. Don't do that.
popculturediner: He's like, mom.
Steve: Uh, And then Grant goes home, which sucks because he kind of like was turning the corner.
popculturediner: Mm -hmm.
Steve: It's just like, I'm falling in love with you. And then the the one weird thing happens. This is the last thing we should discuss.
popculturediner: Mm hmm.
Steve: Adios, Grant. Adios, Spencer. See on paradise.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: Grant's the new bachelor.
popculturediner: Wait, did I miss that?
Steve: it's It's everywhere. So I'm a person clearly who does not seek out spoilers. I didn't know any of the Marcus stuff. Grant is the new bachelor. This is everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere.
popculturediner: How did I miss that?
Steve: I have no idea. Like they didn't, I don't know if they, I don't think they explicitly said it on the episode, but literally like, the like people magazine article or tweet or something was just like, Grant's the new bachelor.
popculturediner: Wait, did they say it on the episode? Did I miss it? OK.
Steve: It is on like, if you go to the official bachelor Wiki, it's on there. Like it's everywhere now. um So I, I am, I am not interested in this man.
popculturediner: I think he's going to make a good bachelor. I think that makes sense.
Steve: ah This is, this is,
popculturediner: I know you're not. I know you're not, but I think you should give him a chance. I think you should give him a chance.
Steve: the This has happened to me before. And we've had situations like Charity. I'm like, she seems nice, but I know nothing about her.
popculturediner: Yeah, but charity was like the best one.
Steve: And she was great.
popculturediner: Well, not the best one, but one of the best ones.
Steve: She did her homework. ah Jen is another one where they're like, it's Jen.
popculturediner: Maybe the best.
Steve: And we're all like, what?
popculturediner: Who like why like she was like gone so fast and then she was great.
Steve: Yeah. and
popculturediner: She's doing great. I think she's doing great.
Steve: i Great, great is ah is a strong word.
popculturediner: I think she's doing great now.
Steve: okay Let's not Sam ourselves. Words have meaning. She's fine.
popculturediner: I think she's doing great now that she got Sam off the show.
Steve: She's doing fine. Yeah.
popculturediner: Before that, shaky ground.
Steve: She's shaky ground.
popculturediner: Now, I think she's doing a good job.
Steve: Yeah, sure, sure.
popculturediner: Yeah. No, she's not like, Charity is, I think, yeah, the gold standard.
Steve: She's fine.
popculturediner: She's like way up there. There's a few bachelorettes that have, you know,
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: are are kind of like old emotional favorites for me. But she like is very, very high on my rankings.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: And and I just yeah, I was kind of like she got this weird gift from Zach, we barely saw her and now she's a bachelorette. So I just didn't feel like they did a lot to like, you know, draw us to her.
Steve: Yeah, I still don't know anything about her. Yeah, it's like whatever.
popculturediner: Yeah. But then it was like, oh, I get why you picked her because she's got a great personality and she's like really good on TV. So yeah, of course you'd pick her.
Steve: Yeah, I don't even know. she Yeah, she's she's fun and she literally looks good in every dress she wears.
popculturediner: It's like natural.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: So congratulations.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: ah But yeah, I don't know.
popculturediner: Well, I think Jen's doing great now. I should declare, not in the past.
Steve: Yeah, you think she she's doing great now in my like history, the bachelorette power rankings mid, but you know, ah above, yeah, sure, sure.
popculturediner: Yeah.
popculturediner: Above Desiree.
Steve: I mean, come on, come on.
popculturediner: But I mean, it's like Bachelorette's always like the standard's always higher than the Bachelor.
Steve: ah
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: Because there have been so many bad Bachelors.
Steve: Grant. Grant. I'm not seeing the substance. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
popculturediner: It's just because you just keep hearing day trader and that's like stuck in your head.
Steve: And maybe he's a nice guy.
popculturediner: But I do think that him being vulnerable.
Steve: yeah Day trader from from New Jersey, New Jersey Day trader.
popculturediner: I thought he was in he's in New Jersey. Why did I think Houston?
Steve: I don't know.
popculturediner: Am I just thinking Devin is in Houston?
Steve: right dev Yeah, Devin's the Texas man.
popculturediner: OK. OK.
Steve: Grant, New Jersey Day trader.
popculturediner: Anyway. New Jersey day trader. I mean, here's the thing. I think his
Steve: He's a real smoothie. He's real slick about stuff.
popculturediner: Well, but I think his family stuff did make him feel more real to me.
Steve: who
popculturediner: um But I also was like, oh, gosh, like, I don't know, you know, is it too early to bring someone to hometowns? So it's interesting that they had him be the bachelor, which obviously his family is going to get involved.
popculturediner: So hopefully everything is OK there.
Steve: Yeah. who
popculturediner: Yeah, I mean, I think. Yeah, someone said I miss the days when the bachelor was there runner up the one broken hearted. I mean, that we just had that.
popculturediner: So why are it why someone saying I miss those days? That was literally Joey. Like, what are you talking about?
Steve: That's like almost every day. Like that's all, it's all the time.
popculturediner: Yeah.
Steve: I want to, nobody plucks someone from obscurity for me. Come on.
popculturediner: Yeah. Well, that's what we used to do.
Steve: Come on.
popculturediner: That's what I miss. I miss when it was just like, we have never met this person before and they are the bachelor. And you're like, who are they? And you're like, they're the heir to this fortune.
Steve: Yeah, because then I don't even have preconceived notions, yeah.
popculturediner: They run this vineyard. They, you know, they're like, you know, I mean, our first bachelor ever was just a guy.
Steve: Just a guy, literally just a guy.
popculturediner: He was just a guy. He was just a guy. and a very lovely guy who's like pretty normal and like kind of stayed out of the limelight after the show, which I think is a testament to him being a good guy and like just a guy.
Steve: but
popculturediner: um But like, yeah, I mean, Grant, like, I think we got to give him a chance. I know you might not like him, but I think we should at least give him a little bit of a chance.
Steve: You know, I'm erring on the side of caution, but, you know.
popculturediner: Yeah. um But yeah, someone said, can we qui quit recycling? Let's have new people, please. i ah We need a season with a new person. And there have been some ah celebrities that have said that they've wanted to go on, which could go good or bad.
popculturediner: I would rather it be someone I've never heard of before.
Steve: Yeah. Yeah.
popculturediner: like i think that would be Because that was fun. I feel like maybe they should do that every other time or Hey, double it up. Find more time in the schedule, okay? Give us give us a recycled and then give us an unknown.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: I'll i'll but i'll bear that cross. um But yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Steve: Mm hmm.
popculturediner: I'm hoping Grant ah His personality comes out more and he feels more multidimensional for you because you're you're just hearing day day traitor. But oh, that's so sweet. um Yeah, there's a lot of good comments, so it seems like most people are ah excited.
popculturediner: So, yeah. What, but yeah, people were thinking Spencer. Yeah. I think Spencer couldn't hold a bachelor role. I think he's perfect for paradise.
Steve: Yeah, he's a paradise man, for sure.
popculturediner: I don't think Spencer can hold his own on maybe back in the day.
Steve: yeah I will challenge Grant the same way I challenge any new bachelor or bachelorette.
popculturediner: He could have, but I don't think anymore.
Steve: Prove me wrong because most of the time I don't want you to be here. So the new bachelor should be Maria.
popculturediner: i've I still am like, I would love to see Maria do something, but I know she's like better than everything. So she can do whatever she wants.
Steve: Yeah, she doesn't need it. She doesn't need it.
popculturediner: God, she doesn't need anything.
Steve: Yeah.
popculturediner: She can just do anything she wants.
Steve: Mm hmm. Anything.
popculturediner: She's so lucky. um Anyway, so okay, yeah, I didn't get that news for some reason. So yeah, you scooped it.
Steve: This is the rare occasion where I somehow find this stuff out. And again, it's not like I'm um it's not like I'm looking like this is just like literally blasting me in the face.
popculturediner: Yeah, well, yeah, well, that's yeah, that's interesting. That's very interesting. um I'm not sure how to feel about that. But I think I feel pretty good.
Steve: That I, there's a new reality, Steven Dowd, and it's this one.
popculturediner: It's this one. Yeah, so OK, so we've got because I mean, I guess, yeah, you would think. Because like if I mean, here's the thing. If it's if it's Devon, I think Jonathan's a great bachelor pick.
popculturediner: If it's Jonathan, I don't know who would be the great bachelor pick, because if there's these Marcus allegations, you know what I mean?
Steve: Yeah.
Steve: yeah
popculturediner: Like if it's Marcus or it's Devon, then I think Jonathan would be good. I don't think Jeremy is making it past hometowns.
Steve: No, no.
popculturediner: If it's yeah, if it's Yeah, if it's Jonathan, though, I don't think Devin or Jeremy would be a good bachelor. So it's like, yeah, so who else would they pick?
Steve: No, no. and Yeah, Jeremy's success for the rest of this season is predicated entirely on the failure of those around him.
popculturediner: They had to pick Grant.
Steve: So good luck, buddy.
popculturediner: Again, I hope to see you in paradise.
Steve: Yes.
popculturediner: I think you'll have a really good time.
Steve: Coming from someone who likes you. just true Yeah.
popculturediner: Yeah. No, I like Jeremy.
Steve: ah
popculturediner: I think he's going to do great in paradise. I just don't think it's not it's not them at the end of the day. It can't be. I was shocked. There's always like that one surprise. Well, not always. But a lot of the times there's like that one surprise person that makes it to hometowns and then not after that.
popculturediner: And you're like, OK, well, I was surprised, but I guess not for long. um Yeah.
Steve: no
popculturediner: Any other predictions? Any other any other thoughts about what's what's happening?
Steve: ah No, like I said Devin's to lose at this point if Devin wants that it's his Yep.
popculturediner: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think Jonathan's put up the strongest showing and is the most consistent, but there's just something that she doesn't want fully.
popculturediner: And that's too bad.
Steve: Yep He'll be fine Yeah, he's doing good.
popculturediner: But he's going to be just fine. He's incredibly popular. Everyone likes him. He's going to be just fine. Whatever he wants to do, he can do. Yeah.
Steve: Mm -hmm
popculturediner: His date card will be full. ah So. ah So anyway, okay, cool. Well, that's all I have. ah I'm gonna go ah get ready to celebrate my paper anniversary. And, you know, if you're having one of those, do something themed. That's fun. Don't get paper cuts. That's bad. ah Make sure you have enough ink in your typewriter. Oh, good thing. I washed most of the ink off. I thought maybe I still had some of my um my fingertips.
popculturediner: because I have never had to do that before. And now I have to learn how to do that. But thank goodness there are tutorials on YouTube.
Steve: e
popculturediner: So think ahead, friends. Don't just go, well, I've got everything I need. I just have to come up with a poem and type it and I've got a frame and I've got everything. So I can just put this together. And then you realize the one thing you didn't think of is do I have enough ink in my typewriter?
popculturediner: Be prepared. OK, be prepared.
Steve: Yeah, I don't do needle drugs.
Steve: um
popculturediner: Is the cat gone?
Steve: Yeah, the cats, it was just so weird. Cause like I saw the one walk by and then, and then just like the other, it was just like looking at me and and like we're having this like very serious conversation and I'm like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't focus on two things.
popculturediner: At a very serious moment. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, be careful in some fraternity houses. And you're like, there's a cat right there.
Steve: But like, but like the way it was like, cause you're, you're like saying this and I'm like, yes, you're right. And then I noticed this movement and that freaks me out too. Cause it's like an egress window. Right? So I'm like, is there like a child?
popculturediner: Uh huh.
Steve: Like, what is that? And then I look at it's literally like, it's like,
popculturediner: That's the end.
