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64. Absolute Walnut
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This week we're talking language stuff, rants, will AI be the demise of humanity and a tricky AITA..
What did you think about our accents? The rants? and would you get a seggs robot of your ex?! let us know at TalkShitToUs@gmail.com or on socials @TSYBPOD
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Bilingual Banter and Language Blunders
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Hola. Hola. Como estas? Muy bien.
00:00:23
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Was that like a fusion? No, that was Spanish, wasn't it? Did you say muy or we? Muy. I heard we. Muy bien. Okay. I heard we as in like French she yes.
00:00:38
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BN, Spanish, good, yes, yes, yes, you did it right. Yes, good. Et tu? Oh no, that's French. No, E2 is also Spanish. Et tu? Well, E2 and then maybe different accent. Et tu?
00:00:54
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Different language. Just changed the accent.
Spanish Skills and Cultural References
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I'll say to you what I say to the ah AI, a little foreshadowing, ah character on my Duolingo every time she asks how I am. Estoy consada. Which means I am tired. Say that every time. And she usually responds saying she's bored because she's like her character is like this bored teen. Oh, bored robot. You really reminded me of a thingy in Bridesmaids when she's making the speech and she does her little Spanish thing. I can't remember what she says.
00:01:34
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Kristen Wigger, is that ah the other one? Okay. I can't think of that, what specifically, but I've seen that movie so much. I should be able to. I'll switch to your clip.
00:01:46
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I mean, I could probably muddle through a really basic conversation that would probably come from someone who's like a five-year-old in Spanish, right? They'd be like, do you like clouds and snow? Me encanta.
00:02:04
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Nieva.
00:02:08
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Pretty good. i didn't I don't know whether she... I know um like how to order ah a cheese sandwich. Do it. ah Un queso bocadillo por favor. Also just saying sandwich. Sandwich. Sandwich de queso. Un cafe con leche por favor?
Accents and Travel Humor
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La croyenta por favor?
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ah Quieres Azucar con cafe? my oh I'm like, what? I was told actually, well, when I was doing Spanish in school, I was told I had a good accent. um And there have been times where, like when I go to Spain, I, throughout the week or two weeks, gradually pick up the language again and I remember shit. Still very basic, don't get me wrong. um But ah apparently I have such a good accent that they think I'm Spanish and they just start speaking to me in Spanish and I'm like, oh
00:03:10
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That's nice. See, ah I got told that it sounds like I'm not even trying.
00:03:22
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When I am. I'm trying really hard actually. Yeah. And the issue is, and I imagine this is true for people who hear me talk and fully speak English because I've been told before, uh, it's often too fast. So like if people could slow down for me, then I probably could get through it, but but I also, so yeah, just but so but's go be i That's it. It would be very funny to go to Spain with you though and us muddle through and see what happens because they'll be like, tell your friend, it sounds like she's not even trying. and You'll be like,
00:04:02
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Mucho gusto.
00:04:07
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him Oh God, we should do that one
Podcasting in Spanish
00:04:10
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day. Be funny. Let's go to España. Yeah. We'll take our mics and record it too. If we should. Let's do a Spanish episode. Okay. Perfect. It'll be five minutes long. Now I'm trying to think if I could come up with talking shit with a yank in a Brit in Spanish.
00:04:30
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Oh, no, that's Italian. Also still English. I know, but... Well, hablar is talk, and I think talking... Oh, God, this is where I struggle with like the conjugates, so it's like, hablando?
00:04:50
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ah Zach, if you're listening, I know you'll correct me on all of this, so... Go ahead and translate that for us and get back to me. I'm going to Google translate up here. ah Talking shit with a... I mean, Yank and Brit probably believe will be the same. Probably.
00:05:14
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um two Two... Oh, fucking. That's a long list, isn't it? Yeah. Okay.
00:05:26
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ah bla me Oh, yeah. Okay. To talk shit. Okay. Well, there's a feminine or a masculine way of saying it. so jablando piera con iron iuna britanica
00:05:51
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So. un ah britannico Oh yeah. Wait, what is yank?
00:06:01
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tiro I wonder if that is like the actual verb of yank rather than American. it It would just be Americana, I think, right? Yeah. Okay. so halando meerda <unk> un americana yeah una but but
00:06:21
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There we go. See how good my accent is? Yeah, we got there. Okay, so that's in our back pocket for a future episode when we meet in Spain. Got it. Yeah.
Driving Rants and Holiday Setup
00:06:33
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Got it. How are you? I'm all right, yeah.
00:06:40
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Just come back from Allen's. We've had a storm. Is it Bert still? nope ah It's Ernie this time. Gerra or something? Gerra? I don't know. Weird ass name. Very, very windy. We've had 90 mile an hour winds. There's trees everywhere. And what I've realized, Katherine, is I fucking hate driving at nighttime when it's wet. Actually, even when it's not wet. I don't like it. I've turned into my nan.
00:07:16
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I think I may have some sort of stigmatism in my eyes because the fucking lights are blinding and lines everywhere. I can't see fuck all even with my full beams on. I just don't like it. I'd rather not do it, please.
00:07:31
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So that's what's been granted in your gears, huh? Mm-hmm. Also... ah We put up the Christmas tree this weekend. Had a lovely festive little time. We watched Harry Potter. ah The quintessential Christmas movie. Quintessential Christmas, my sort of Christmas movie.
00:07:53
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I say we. I put the Christmas tree up.
00:07:59
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No shade, no shade to Alan. No, no shade, just because I'm a little bit particular with it and I like doing it in a certain way. See, Nigel's the same way. I wouldn't have a Christmas tree, if it were. Really? Yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't either. He didn't last year. But this year, we're we've got his family coming round to his on Boxing Day. So I was like, we have to have a tree. We're having a fucking tree. Where are we going to put the presents? Yes, Scrooge. Yeah. So now it's more festive there.
00:08:26
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um And i've I've, you know, I've got a bit of beef with the Christmas light companies. Who the fuck is using twinkly twinkles or the Fady Dip or half on, half off? And also, why do they put it right at the end? Just the static lights. You have to go through seven fucking clicks on the plug. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Just to get it. Static light. No one uses the flashy lights.
00:08:56
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Why is it even an option? um Why is it not the first option to have static lights and then the the weirdos that want the flashy lights can go through and select it? Why? Can I maybe say something that might piss you off? Oh God, yep.
00:09:13
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Well, my first question is is our point is, ooh, you got fancy lights. those i don't I've never possessed ones that had different settings. But again, I'm also the person who wouldn't have a tree. So that might be why. Ooh, I see. Do you buy here have different settings? Really? Yeah. Are they dual-purpose like indoor-outdoor lights?
00:09:35
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I don't know. I don't know, to be honest. Because that's what I'm wondering is if maybe for, if you're going to put them outdoors, I have seen like the blinky, fadey, different light patterns outside. Yeah. I wouldn't want them inside, to be fair but. Could you imagine trying to go to bed with fucking flashing lights outside your window? No, no, that would suck a lot, but I think you're right. They should have the setting probably be the basic, just constantly on static lights first. Yeah. It would make sense, wouldn't it? But no, they put it as the last one. And well and then if you miss it, you have to go around all again. Maybe it is first, but it just feels like last to you because, okay. It's not. i'm telling it I had this issue last year, the year before, and I've got several different light sets as well. Cause every year I seem to buy new ones and I don't know why. All fucking same.
00:10:31
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When you plug it in, is it on the setting that you had last? Nope. It's restarted. It's flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash. So then it is the last setting. was going to say How would you know if it just left it on the setting? like the first It could be the first one and you just are perceiving it as last. I mean, that'd be fine if it did remember what setting you were on last time. But also, you know they're not considering people with epilepsy. I could have a fit turning on those Christmas lights. Is there no disclaimer on the box saying... I did not see a disclaimer, no.
00:11:00
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We're gonna make millions. And this rant got me thinking about something else, okay? I think only women will understand this. But who the fuck is using... No woman wants that.
00:11:28
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We just want. What are we talking about here? Are we talking about what I think we're talking about? Probably. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah. Yeah. I never really thought about it, but you're right. Did a man invent it? Well, you know, they did. Which is interesting because I feel like that doesn't actually simulate anything in the real world either. No.
00:11:59
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Unless you're a robot man. Unless you're a robot man, but no one is choosing the robot man setting with, poo boootoo let me tell you. Okay. For those out there who maybe do prefer that setting, yeah let us know because, I mean, I think again, ever those who know, know what we're talking about.
00:12:25
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If you know, you know. Quite the pivot though. And i i get I think I get your line of thinking of like the lights to that, but it just makes me, I'm thinking about you being pissed at these lights and then just immediately being, and another thing.
00:12:41
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Now that I'm in this mindset. Talking of settings.
00:12:50
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That's so funny.
00:12:54
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um But yeah, yeah, what the fuck? I mean, I think clearly this was the man's design, so. oh but just Yeah, just the company's like, oh my God, there's 20,000 settings on this. We don't we don't need that. I'm telling you now. Do you want to feel like you're getting punched?
00:13:15
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Or most Morse code for ah happy birthday?
00:13:21
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You're going to love it. You are going to love it. It's the the new best thing since AI. Anonymous review saying, i I am a female and not at all a fake reviewer, but my personal favorite is the kind that makes it feel like you went six rounds.
00:13:39
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in the ring
Elections and Expressions
00:13:40
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with Mike Tyson, who punched to the beat of Jingle Bell Rock. I am a human reviewer. Yep. Oh, that seems legit. yeah How have you been up to? I'm trying to think if there's anything that I want to rant about, but Honestly, you kind of threw me for a loop here. I'm still thinking about what you just said. um I've been fine. ah A little busy. I think ah listeners at home probably have noticed our new publication pattern, which is
00:14:16
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every other week now, probably for a little while it'll be like that um to accommodate. We busy. Yep, busy schedules, but also you know give us time to create and think about things that really piss us off. This could be a you know ah ah biweekly segment of things that piss Gemma off. Rince and raves, what's grinding our gears today? I mean, I think...
00:14:46
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I mean, I've been generally pissed off since the election results and all the like response, all the people who've come out of there would work to say shit like, my bo your body my choice and like other shit. So that makes me mad. Yeah, I'm not surprised. And you have to put up with different settings. i Give us a fucking break.
00:15:07
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Yeah. So, uh, your body, I get it. Decide the setting too.
00:15:14
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Imagine that if they just took away the Oh God. Well, we might actually have the, uh, what was the, the, the four B movement or whatever, if that happens. Um,
00:15:28
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um
00:15:30
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It's getting colder here, not too much snow. I think Nigel's going to set up our Christmas tree today. the and i Did the cats play with it? I think if I remember correctly from last year, chips did try to, but didn't like put too much effort in into it, so it was okay. It's a relatively small tree just in case it does get knocked over that nothing bad will happen, but I have had cats like fully climb our full astris and pull it down and break ornaments and just like hang out in the tree.
00:16:08
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so I think you know the myths about cats and Christmas trees are true. They love an indoor tree. Yeah. Lucy's too blind and potato shaped to care.
00:16:21
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so Poor little potato, Lucy. She's my baked potato. little black potato lucy poo um i made up a song for the cats earlier to a song by castabian but i'm not gonna sing it here because i can't uh I can't even remember how it goes, but they do tend to be in the moment. Do you know what I mean? They just come out. It's just like natural flowing creativity when you're talking to your pets and suddenly yeah lyrical genius. like Yeah. I mean, the only time I ever like made note of it was when I came up with alternative lyrics to Lizzo's, but men great till they gotta be great.
00:17:12
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for Momo, like I made up a whole song for it and I was like, I gotta to write this down. It's actually available on Spotify, kids. yeah Yep. Yep. Yep. Um, anyway, I think we, uh, had a couple throwback differences between the Brits and the Yanks that we were going to discuss for a minute, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Queen. Um,
00:17:44
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Yeah. You, you go ahead and introduce that because, um, you might be surprised at my opinion. Yeah. So I had a friend of the pod send me a request to discuss this. Um, I believe it was my friend Kim. Hey Kim. Thanks. Hi Kim. And, uh, basically it was, uh, on it, she shared it on Instagram. I sent it to G on Instagram.
00:18:12
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And the post is by I am 30 AF, which is a great account. Very funny. Uh, much funny, very, very nice. My wife. Um, and someone named Gemma Rossity, no relation to Gemma here or said, Oh, maybe. I mean, you went viral then. oh Finally.
00:18:35
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And Gemma Rossity wrote, I can't believe Americans on TV really say rock, paper, scissors like it's paper, rock, scissors. Oh my God. Do you in real life Americans actually say rock, paper, scissors? Um, and then I don't know what RB is, but RB this with whether you say paper, rock, scissors, paper, scissors, rock, or rock, paper, scissors. And then someone named future cat ladies said me normally linguistic, linguistic differences are so interesting and cool. I love hearing different dialectical variations, me reading.
00:19:05
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paper rock, paper scissors rock with my own two eyeballs, the Lord is testing me, which is how I feel about it. So you tell me where you're at on this. Well, I found this somewhat confusing because I have always says, always says, I have always says rock, paper, scissors. Okay. That's how you learned it. That's how I learned it.
00:19:33
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I've never heard other ways of saying it, so maybe I'm American. I think you are. I feel like Nigel says it the British way though. does He's not here for me to confirm, I should have, but um I feel like I've heard paper scissors rock, which is very weird to me. How do you feel about it?
00:20:00
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Yeah, it doesn't flow. It doesn't roll off the tongue. It doesn't sound right. I don't like it. Rock, paper, scissors is its name. yeah Like I just, it makes me wonder like how it, is it because of, it can't be alphabetical.
00:20:22
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No, it's not, perhaps it's not alphabetical, is it?
00:20:30
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I wonder what the comments are like. Okay. Someone, the first one says, I heard Americans also say shoot afterwards, which, yes, both. And I think the shoot is- Wrong page, this is a shoot. Yeah, because it's like count of three or on three, right? Like after three years. Yeah. And so the shoot is like the agreement to, that's when you throw, right? Yeah.
00:20:52
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And then someone goes, shooting is a core memory of every high schooler in America, which is so dark. Well, I'm from Australia and say scissors, paper, rock.
00:21:06
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Do you think that's true or are they just fucking with us? I don't know. Someone said literally about to comment this. That's because you guys are upside down. okay okay Australia entered the chat to just be like, we can do it crazier. We can do what we want.
00:21:27
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I like this one. I'm British and have always said rock, paper, scissors like me. I'm with you. ah What is this person on? Do they say pepper and salt as well? Deck and ant, chips and fish? They need to have a word with themselves. Absolute walnut. What is deck and ant? So ant and deck are like a ah presenter duo. Oh, okay. They're famous in England. And you never,
00:21:57
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No one ever calls them Deccanant. And they even stand like Ant in that order. in that order yeah
00:22:06
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I felt this way just seeing this comment as you read it and someone also said this absolute walnut is a great insult. It is yeah absolute walnut. It makes me think of some other looks like new insults for people that are like not really that mean it's like you're such a spam email. That's good. I like that. um So Germany, the order is scissor rock paper. I mean, I guess there's you know, there's no it's not an official game, I guess, is it? It's not been trademarked. So you couldn't say what you want, but it just doesn't feel right. No, I mean, there's lots of things that
00:22:47
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There is a, it feels better to say at a particular order. I used to think about it in terms of like names. And so like my brother and I, for example, would it be, does it sound better to say Alex and Katie when I used to go by Katie or Katie and Alex? I think Katie and Alex sounds better. Yeah, it does sound better. See? So I mean, just makes sense to, you know, and maybe rock, paper, scissors makes, sounds better to us because it's like one syllable.
00:23:15
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and then two syllables and but scissors has the s on it too so it's like a nice end cap yeah i like it and there's probably science behind this like when we were deciding our name for the band there's certain phrases that sound nicer to the human ear because of the way the vowels are used so like you wouldn't have um
00:23:47
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I can't even remember what it was. Henry was talking about it, and he's a very clever individual, but there's certain vowels in order that just sound odd and off, whereas others flow with each other, so that's... Well, you guys love your fucking vowels that you don't pronounce. Sorry, shots fired. Like what? Bournemouth. Lysester.
00:24:12
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What about Worcestershire?
00:24:16
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or Worcester, I don't know. I would say Worcestershire. And I think people are like, it's Worcester and I'm like, that sounds stupid. That actually sounds ugly to me. I saw a brilliant video the other day, which I'll send to you if I can find it again. um And it was a guy talking about, I think weve we have spoken about this on the pod before, but when the British people say, all right,
00:24:44
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and all the different connotations with it. So it was like, someone walking past someone, you all right? Is, how are you? yeah And then, all right. It's like, all right, calm down. What was the other ones? All right. like Like a simple like oh thing, right?
00:25:06
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Um, I can't remember the rest, but they're very funny. So I'll send them to you. I didn't even realize it was a thing with us because we just use it in so many different contexts. And it took me forever to figure them out too. You know, and I think this, we did talk about this because I truly like, I think the first time Nigel's mom or or even like you or.
00:25:26
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Some of the other crew said it to me. I was like, yeah yes, i'm I'm fine. I'm fine. Stop asking me. I'm okay. Oh, here we go. I've got it. So there's, there' all right, which is hello. When you're talking about someone, you go, he's all right. that's He's terrible company.
00:25:52
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so plan up is our When you're talking to someone and they make a statement, you go, all right, that's your wrong. Are you all right? Are you crazy? Which is I think how I felt.
00:26:12
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everyone what everyone was asking me initially is like that was kind of like... Are you mentally disturbed? Yes. Is everything okay? Do you need some help? so All right.
00:26:26
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It's not a problem. And all right is incorrect.
00:26:34
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look So inflection, tone, like how long it's drawn out. I think face also makes a difference. Sit there. So, so interesting. I guess it's kind of the equivalent, and maybe you guys do this too, but when people are like, yeah, no, yeah, means no. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no means and not a chance.
00:26:58
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I do struggle with that one. I'm like, what are you saying? Yeah. It's hard because you start with the one that you don't mean, right? So no, yeah, means, yeah, sure.
00:27:10
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Language. and Oh, language. Oh, language. Or, you know, English language. Yeah, truly. Though there are certain things that I've been doing Duolingo Spanish, um because I took a lot of Spanish and some some of it like came back to me really fast. But there are some things that I'm like, I don't know if I'll ever understand this or be able to like adequately translate this from English to Spanish because of these like little subtleties that don't... There's no direct translation and it turns out that I absolutely need that. like I will always forget the ami, me,
00:27:47
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a ti te gusta because like the a ti part doesn't have a direct translation for me to remember that it needs to go in the front. No. Someone needs to explain that to me. It's one of those things that I think you'd only nail it if you lived in a Spanish speaking country. Yeah, I think i mean obviously so working like speaking it conversationally,
00:28:11
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all of that yeah here really makes a difference. yeah Yeah, definitely. I also get really confused with like the masculine and feminine things. I'm like, how is a chair masculine or feminine? Well, and things like that doesn't bother me as much because that's just the word. right like Chair is never going to not be what like what it is in Spanish, even though it is ends in an A, right it's gonna or table. you know It's going to always end that way. But like when you are when the things that can change, which is usually like
00:28:45
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a female British person or a male American, right? That changes. Yeah. The things that throw me off are the ones that don't end in A or O. It ends in an E. Tarday, I think is, or la noche, it's feminine, even though it doesn't end in an A or an E. Yeah. Well, what is it? It's me there, but it's feminine.
00:29:11
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um Anyway. Anyway, yeah. Speaking of language, and we've already kind of made a few references to this, we're going to talk a little bit about AI,
The AI Debate: Threats and Benefits
00:29:22
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aren't we? We are.
00:29:24
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ah robots are tigo but Yup. I think I wanted to hear more from you because you had talked about some of the podcasts and things that you would listen to. and um what they talked about, but I went through and kind of found just some information relating to AI and jobs, whether there's some myths or like the fears should be you know should exist or if people are rape maybe like kind of fearing nothing or overblowing it. Yeah, yeah it's interesting really. i mean In theory, AI could pretty much take over any job.
00:30:09
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um And the scary thing about it is is that it's always learning. It's always developing, taking on more data. It it can essentially overpass us in intelligence, overtake us in intelligence when it comes to data.
00:30:29
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Um, it's 10 times faster than well, a million times faster than us. It can remember everything. Um, and yeah, I've listened to a few podcasts and watched a few things with, um, people from like X Google officers, um, people that, you know, worked in the initial stages of AI development. Um, and subsequently left because.
00:30:58
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they were extremely concerned about the way it was being used, um how it was growing exponent exponentially without any um parameters parameters or legislation. um And it's potentially very scary, if we let it scare us, like everything else in the world. um Especially things like like old what Elon's up to whacking chips in people's heads.
00:31:34
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um is I mean, that's the shit you see unlike the futuristic sci-fi movies and ultimately it's like not a good thing. No. In those contexts, right? i You know, I can see the theoretical benefits of it.
00:31:53
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But people don't use that shit for good, they use it for evil. Exactly. And that's what a lot of these people are saying is that the problem is, is it falling into the wrong hands? If it was with the right people who had purely good intentions for it and just wanted to Maximize the benefits for humankind then great, but unfortunately all that is not what is going to happen well um no i don't know i i meant sherman that um The only thing it I think it can't replicate is creativity Which some people
00:32:36
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may argue against because AI is now creating music. um Some of it's very questionable. And art, again, when we made the Colin of Moldova artwork, it cannot do hands.
00:32:50
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Was that our error though, input error or the AI's fault is the question. ah But it can never replicate, for example, live music. It could never replicate live sport. Even if the robots got very good at kicking balls about, I don't think people would be that into watching robots. Well, and I think that's the thing. I'll let you finish, but I think it's what people want and are willing to seek out. of Sorry, carry on.
00:33:20
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What were the other points? um
00:33:27
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It could also be really dangerous in, well, I think there are some benefits to it. So for example, being used in like medicine and things like that, currently doctors obviously are human and can only, you know, retain a certain amount of information and
00:33:49
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In my personal life, there's been a lot of medical issues with family members and stuff. And there have been points where I thought, if a computer was dealing with this now, we wouldn't be waiting this fucking long. There ah would have already been a diagnosis, a prescription prescribed, and that it would have all the information readily available in the whole world.
00:34:17
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to come to a conclusion about what the issue is. And with humans, we can't do that because we don't have everything. um But then and if you move into things like law,
00:34:35
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um like criminal trials, for example, it can get a bit dicey. like like It's because there's nuance in those things. Exactly. yeah There's nuance in medical care too, right? But I think there's like there's the things that are can like kind of not standard, but like there is a protocol that is consistent regardless. And then there are the things that there's subtleties and nuance and slight differences that kind of greatly impact the outcome. like
00:35:10
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in in a lot of different things. I think that's what you're trying to say, or you had did say. thanks Yeah, I said it in a roundabout way.
00:35:21
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um
00:35:24
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There's huge concern in the industry about um the concept of singularity, where basically AI becomes more intelligent than humans.
00:35:37
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um
00:35:40
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How is that not like true already? Because I feel like, in a way, our phones and like computers are kind of artificial intelligence. And I do think my phone's probably smarter than me. like my phone yeah hat like I go to my phone to look up stuff. And I know that's not quite what we're talking about here. But it in a sense, it sort of is. like Lots of things are smarter than us. And that's why we rely on them to help us be smarter. Exactly. And we we want that because it helps us do our daily shit. you know um
00:36:13
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The issues we're facing are job displacement, obviously, which we talked about. like If it gets so good, there could potentially be billions of people without work. Then what happens?
00:36:26
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Yeah. Well, like I said. And we all live underground. Right. Well, you can't remember if I said this last time or if I said it in response to my friend, Britt, who was like, you guys should talk about this. But I was like, if robots replace take all our jobs and we don't have jobs, we don't have money to go spend where the robots are working and like the companies yeah don't get our money. So it'd be really dumb. And everything fails. Yeah. It'd be really dumb to replace every single job because none of us would have money then. Yeah, exactly.
00:36:55
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Disex Google officer also mentioned like scenarios where AI might unintentionally or deliberately cause harm. here For example, ah altering environments or like accessing critical infrastructure. um You know, it could access the nuclear codes, for example. Yeah.
00:37:20
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and set it off. That could be. Just because someone maybe. ah sure I mean, here's the thing that I think about is someone's got to oversee it, right? like Someone's got to direct it to do the thing or like make like give it input stuff to get stuff back. you know Maybe not every single thing, but like with chat, GPT, you have to tell it what you need first, it doesn't just anticipate our needs, like it has to be directed. And so I think that goes back to people using it for evil and not good, but like it seems to me like there's got to be, there will at least be positions or jobs, quote unquote, to like cross check. And yeah, so, but at some point it will, it will know all the date. It will know more than we know.
00:38:12
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Bum, bum, bum. Because it's forever learning and forever improving itself. But things like as well, like it won't replace human contact and relationships. Did you hear about um Lamar Oden?
00:38:30
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Yeah, Lamar Oden. What are the credentials? He's apparently got a robot sex doll of Chloe Kardashian. Gross.
00:38:43
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How would you feel if one of your exes had a replica sexto of you? Like, what the fuck? Yes. So like that, then I'd also be like, I feel like you needed probably my permission to use my likeness in that way. Like would be.
00:39:01
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Like I would go to the company who made it, right? And be like, that's fucked up. yeah And I'd also feel really weirded out about my ex having that because I would be like, I mean, you dumped me for a reason.
00:39:18
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What about you? Or would you just be flattered? and You'd be like, yeah, I know i'm like oh honey know. You just couldn't get enough. Yeah, I think that's i that's upsetting though.
00:39:31
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Yeah, isn't it? Because it's kind of like you could just get a sex robot or whatever you need to be. I know, you don't have to base it on someone. Come on. Yeah. I mean, ah celebrity I get people probably like some ah virtual stranger unknown, nobody getting a sex robot of Kim Kardashian or, you know,
00:39:52
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Ariana Grande or whoever they, you know, I think that, but then I think artists would be like, or celebrities would be like, yeah, you can use my likeness, pay me a fuck ton of money. yeah People can have my sex doll of me, you know? to Talking of the Kardashians, did you see the photo shoot of Kim Kardashian? Did we talk about this last time?
00:40:11
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we did a little bit and I think I looked at it then and it I mean it to me it's just like it sometimes it just feels like people do anything for money no matter how weird or off the wall it is and so like I think I was kind of more like why would she do that but I also Yeah, I don't yeah yeah don't know where I was going with that.
00:40:38
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so The robot was Elon Musk's, right? Yeah. It's a Tesla one. This one is Kim Kardashian crowsing up to a robot is another example of how AI is entering our lives. and There's just like this weirdly sexual photo shoot. It's so fucking weird.
00:40:58
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I just, is that the type of robot it was? Do you think she was directed in that or she thought, you know, I'm going to do a really sexy photo shoot with this robot. It is fit. Well, I'm guessing probably she was just because of how she like was made up in the robot or in the shoot. Like you don't get made up like that and have those, that outfit and that without it being kind of a I think meant to be a little bit sexy because that's sex sells, right? oh And we are talking about it. So yeah. True. We are. So I thought it would be fun to ask chat GPT. Um, do you think there is a danger to humans with AI? This is what it told me.
00:41:52
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said yes. There are potential dangers associated with AI, but these risks depend on how it is developed, deployed and managed. Experts often highlight the following concerns.
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ah The key risk key risks of AI to humans. Number one, the loss of jobs and economic disruption. Automation powered by AI could replace many human jobs, particularly in industries like manufacturing, transportation, customer service, needing to widespread economic displacement. ah Studies predict millions of jobs could be affected globally without adequate planning for re-skilling and workforce transition.
00:42:33
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ah Number two, bias and inequality. AI systems can perpetuate or amplify existing biases if trained on biased data, potentially leading to discrimination discriminatory outcomes in areas like hiring, criminal justice, and lending. This can deepen social and economic inequalities. Autonomous weapons. AI weapons could make war more accessible and less accountable, increasing the risks of conflict and misuse by otheric
00:43:05
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Authoritarian. There's always one word every episode that I can't say. It's okay. Misused by authoritarian regimes or rogue actors. um Number four, loss of privacy and surveillance. AI enables mass data collection and analysis, potentially infringing on privacy rights. Advanced surveillance systems can be used for invasive monitoring or oppression. Number five,
00:43:33
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Existential risks and misaligned goals. Advanced AI systems could act in ways misaligned with human intentions, especially if their goal if their goals conflict with ours, e.g. optimizing efficiency without considering ethical implications.
00:43:50
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ah the singularity scenario where AI so passes human intelligence, raising concerns about control and unintended consequences. um and Environmental impact training and running large AI models consume significant significant computational resources contributing to energy use and environmental degradation.
00:44:15
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but but I saw that recently that like AI is actually hugely bad for the environment. And I assume that just because of all of the processing power needed. Yeah, yeah. Just like I think cryptocurrency mining. who Yeah, it's the same thing. Yeah.
00:44:33
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um It also goes on to sort of say how we can mitigate the risks, so like bringing in regulation and ethics, human AI collaboration, transparent transparency and explainability.
00:44:49
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Yeah, and talking about Prominent figures like Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking have warned about the existential threats of AI, if not carefully controlled, emphasizing that he is warned. Oh, Musk has warned. He's not. Yeah. Perpetuated.
00:45:04
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On the other hand, experts like Andrew N.G. Andrew N.G. Oh, i think it's I think that's pronounced when or eng. Is it? Wow, okay. Yeah. loads of silent vows there, ah focus on addressing immediate challenges such as bias and job displacement rather than hypothetical future risks. So we shall see. Yeah. So the problem is, I think the issue is, is it's kind of gone too far already. Yeah.
00:45:39
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Um, regulations and stuff. Like it's, it's reached a point like, uh, like global warming. but Yeah. You know, it's now too far down the road to regulate it and.
00:45:56
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Well, they can, they can, but the question is, is whether it would pass or people would support it, I think in America, you know, like people with money who have a particular agenda. ki Yeah, lobby and and, you know, kind of convince legislators to, you know, reject or further things that, I mean,
00:46:21
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Yeah. so I guess, you know, we'll see in 50 years, won't we? whether they that was or not So interesting you say that because a lot of the things that I read both kind of saying fears fears are valid and fears aren't as valid. And here's why. Like a lot of it was like probably a lot of things because of just the nature of a certain field moves really slowly. Like we probably won't see mental health care go fully AI because of how long that takes, but also you know someone kills themselves after talking to an AI robot. like That's going to be the thing that people are reacted to even though there's people who kill themselves all the time and have human therapists. so yeah Anyway, one of the interesting factoids I saw was that AI, if it does impact jobs, it's going to be disproportionately women's jobs, first of all. Oh, great.
00:47:18
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Yes, 79% of working women have positions that are susceptible to automat automation versus 58% of working men, which means that it's the jobs that probably you're thinking of, which is administrative work.
00:47:31
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and H.R. Weirdly, one of the articles I read actually said creativity, um content, like content writers, creative ah creative work, graphic design are more at risk because of what AI can do with making music and art and stuff. And of course, that's where I came in thinking And it it was kind of reinforced by some of these articles was, but it also depends on the consumers. People tend to prefer things with the human touch, even if there's an AI help with it, right? um And so, you know, there are past fears about it kind of replacing tedious, repetitive work. So like the person at the factory line who just puts the thing on, you know, and yeah, um but advances. I saw the other day, sorry, that and quite Amazon
00:48:23
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Uh, their workforce is, I think now 70% AI and robot, like in the factories, the pick the packing and the processing is all robot. Primarily either the people overseeing the robots or the people delivering the packages because they haven't quite you figured out, like there might be self-driving vans, but they haven't figured out the best way to get the package to the door.
00:48:45
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Yeah, I did see a thing about that because they were looking into like drones delivering this a while ago. I think that still is a thing and probably still, like it's happening in certain areas. ah Where I live is a big test area or there's like Amazon has got a site here. so like We get the same day shit. you know um Oh, wow. Yeah, but I don't know if they have drones here. um but One thing I didn't know, did you know that Paul McCartney used AI to generate John Lennon's voice?
00:49:14
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no for a posthumous beetle song yeah i guess it didn know worked out well too you can see it happening already um just on like youtube videos and stuff like there's certain like people i follow or guided meditations that i want to do which i probably shouldn't admit this because i should buy them rather than looking for them free on youtube but you can tell now that loads of them are ai generated because there's just a slight There's not quite the inflection of yeah a natural person talking. um That's quite annoying, um but they're really good. I kind of panicked for a second when I saw legal being one, but it was primarily the things like paralegal and administrative assistants who, you know, doc review, contract analysis, legal research or case law research and stuff and like
00:50:11
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scheduling meetings, you know but then I read something about how there was this program that was maybe tested about me like could it help with mediations in some sense, and but it was still like I think the point of that article was like it still needs like a human to kind of oversee and ensure because like a lot of the stuff so far, like it's lower quality responses or it needs needs needs to be checked for errors. and but the GPT-4 past the uniform bar exam and the 90th percentile, which is kind of like, okay, yeah, because you have all this, like if I had all this data in my brain, I can- I didn't forget anything. I'd be fucking right as well. So like that sort of stuff doesn't really surprise me, but I'm thinking about my work.
00:50:56
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and whether AI could effectively do what I do in the same way. and it's the same with like doctor like I agree with you about the medical field, but I also think like there's something about that even we can't even, if I were feeding symptoms and shit into you know an AI thing to get diagnosed, like stuff that I don't even know, but maybe a doctor could look at me and be like, your eyes are like really Like that is a sign of something too, you know, and ask questions that perhaps it may be one day it could get that far. But as of right now, there still needs to be a lot of oversight. Yeah.
00:51:31
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So one article is kind of saying like these fields are at risk. A lot of it was, they I mean, it did say teachers, it did say travel tourism, finance to engineering, which I guess if it's designing and and making sure like shit's going to be like running effectively, ah HR supply chain, um translators and interpreters, all of that. But I also think about the ones that I work with and I'm like, they also get nuance.
00:51:55
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inflection slang, you know yeah better than maybe AI. A moment. But then the other article was that was like we don't need to be as scared about it as we need to be. Of course, like some jobs probably could be made redundant fully based on the work, but that's where you know becoming skilled in how to use it to your advantage you know and upskill, like you said, um and so you that you can be like, i'm familiar with this program. It's like another tool. It's like being proficient with Word and Excel, right? um But that it could stunt productivity, produce an overabundance of low quality content that would require humans to basically review, modify, and supplement with
00:52:39
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their own work, you know? yeah And then really we should be looking at it as a way to increase efficiency or transform that we can use to supplement our work rather than fully replace us. And there's still going to be that demand for human contact and touch. And I think that's originally what it was, you know, that's what it's made for, for efficiency and proficiency. But is that the case?
00:53:05
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Well, yeah, I think it's the question of would companies rather look at the bottom line of, I think, so it was an article about, no, it was a Reddit post where this guy said, my friend did this particular thing and they told him that they were testing his work against AIs and that his numbers were better. And so that they weren't going to, you know, ultimately pursue the AI option, but then he got laid off a month later because they were like, Oh, well, actually.
00:53:33
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He makes 60 to $70,000. And even though he has better numbers, what AI can do is going to save a 60 to $70,000 a year. So it wasn't even about like his production. It was about money that they saved. you know So yeah, AI could be inefficient or fuck up one of every eight buttons that they have to put in the factory, but they don't have to pay it. Exactly. It never sleeps. Never gets tired. It never goes on holiday. Yep. Doesn't get sick. Never takes a break. Never gets sick. So you can see why companies and employers would would like it, but I think it all comes back to
00:54:15
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what we need as humans and as a ah species always comes back to human connection. yeah That's why we living lived in tribes. It's why we live in communities. It's why we have friends and family. And it's why isolation and imprisonment is punishment for humans because it fucks us up if we are not interconnected with other human beings. and That's why I think there's higher rates of depression for people who who maybe don't have a big social circle, who do find themselves staying at home, being on social media, staying at screens more, is because they don't have that connection and it makes them sad. and that's and you know like I think
00:55:08
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Someone said on Reddit, like, Oh, people would always prefer to be able to just like deal with an AI. And I was like, no, I, yeah and people reacted to that too. Like, are you crazy? Like, that's not true. We are hardwired by nature as a species to be social. Yeah. So that is what our whole thing is about. And like, I fucking hate it when you're, you know, on a web chat with a fucking web bot, like, no, I just want to, I just want to speak to a human being.
00:55:37
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That's where I'm willing to accept it. right like I can accept having a chatbot to initially deal with an inquiry on a website. because like If I want to cut straight to the chase, then I'll either just say agent or I'll call. like I'll just call then if I want to avoid that. yeah you know um So, cause it will, like there's still people who can help like provide service that way. It's just like the frontline and I can, I can accept that, but do I want my doctor, my gyno to be a robot or something? I just have to feed information into, and then they'd be like, Oh, well, it sounds like you need to have your cervix removed. yeah Oh, and by the way, I've already removed it.
00:56:21
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Painless. Well, that would be impressive. pretty good Yeah. yeah sir But it is annoying because it's kind of like our you know I'm on this website trying to initiate a return or deal with an issue. And it's kind of like, oh, what's your problem? Return. Oh, is it any of these options? No. Well, I can't help you. Bye. Give me an agent or just give me the option to go straight. Like, do you want to talk to me first or agent? What's really annoying is when you do call a company and you go through all the options and then it's just like, visit our website. Bye. Yeah. Fuck's sake. And that, then I just won't shop there anymore. Yeah. Okay. Bye. God. Yeah.
00:57:07
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I think that if everything, it's we'll see what happens. There are things that there's pros to it. There's definitely some cons to it that really comes down to the people in power and in charge and how they use it and comes back to what kind of world do you want to live in? Are you elective are you ah look for a collective human group? Let's all elevate society. Are you individualistic and think, you get as much money as you can? Who cares about everyone else? If so, fuck you. Go home.
00:57:38
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Yeah, but I think if you want to be able to go to the doctor and see a doctor, then maybe you need to think about how AI you know could limit that and whether that's something that you support. Amen, sister. Amen.
00:57:57
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Well, on that conclusion, Should we do an am I the arsehole? I think we should. Bye bye. Who's being an asshole today? Right, okay, well... Am I the arsehole for outing my straight, in quotes, best friend after he hooked up with me? Ooh.
00:58:28
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I, 22 male, have been best friends with, I'll call him Jake, 23 male, since high school. Jake has always identified as straight and has even poked fun at me for being gay when we were younger. Nothing overtly hateful, but stuff like, oh, you're lucky I'm securing my masculinity, bro, or don't fall in love with me. haha
00:58:49
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Recently, Jake went through a bad breakup with his girlfriend of three years. He was heartbroken and turned to me for support. We started hanging out more and more and one night after a few too many drinks, things kind of got intimate. He kissed me first and I was shocked. But then I went with it because I've always had a low key crush on him. In brackets, I'm practically in love with him. One thing led to another and we ended up sleeping together.
00:59:15
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The next morning, Jake completely freaked out. He apologised over and over saying it was a mistake and he was just drunk and that he's definitely not gay. I told him it was fine, but I was hurt. Not just because he brushed it off, but because he felt like it was he was ashamed of what happened.
00:59:30
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Since then he's been distant. When I tried to talk with him he shut me down and said I should forget it and never happened. That hurt me even more. I felt used like I was just an experiment or a way for him to cope with his breakup. Here's where it gets messy. A few days ago we were at a party with some mutual friends and someone jokingly asked if Jake and I had ever hooked up. Jake laughed and said no way I'd never do anything with a guy and added some rude comment like I have standards I'd never be that desperate.
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I saw red without thinking. I said, well, that's funny because you didn't seem to have any problems with it last weekend. The room went painful. That i came out right away. Interesting. The room went painfully quiet and awkward.
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ah Jake stormed out and now everyone knows. Some of our friends are saying that I was out of line for outing him, but others think he had it coming after the way he treated me. Jake hasn't spoken to me since and I'm starting to feel guilty. Am I the asshole for outing my best friend after he tried to humiliate me? Gemma, this is a hard one. I know. Ooh. Cause like on one hand I feel like it's probably There's an it's not really ever okay to like just out someone, you know, it's got to be on their terms. And before I heard what he said, I was kind of like, okay, so this guy maybe is still struggling with his own sexuality, which is hard. I get that.
01:01:00
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But also, like, as soon as I heard what he said, I'm kind of like, well, fuck you, dude. That's, first of all, pretty homophobic and one of your best friends who you did hook up with. You you you basically just said that about him. Yeah. And so like. i I mean, they're both kind of assholes in this situation for sure.
01:01:25
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Jake, like what the fuck? You could have just been, you could have like, I, I was drunk. I'm not sure why that happened. I feel like I like want to think about this. I don't know if I really want to talk about it right now.
01:01:40
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whatever, I want to be your friend, or maybe I need some space from you because like that kind of dynamic could happens between you know people who are friends and both are you know pretty secure in their sexuality, male, female, female, female, male, male, whatever, but it's the friendship portion of it that is kind of the problem. right So like Jake could have handled it that way, and it sounds like despite him not, OP was kind of like, well,
01:02:06
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like kind of hurtful, but I get it in a way. So I guess it could have just been like, I don't want to talk about it. Like I don't want people to know right now. I don't really want, I need to figure this out on my own. I'll come to you if I need to talk about this more, but also you're the person I hooked up with, which makes it kind of complicated. So like his own shame and confusion and uncertainty about a sexuality caused him to like deflect in such a cruel way.
01:02:34
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that I can't blame OP for saying that, even if it also was kind of a dick move. You know what I mean? Yeah. What do you think?
01:02:47
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Yeah, it's, um, I feel like everyone's the asshole in this situation, really. Yeah. Um, I understand where the OP is coming from.
01:03:04
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and Yeah, I just, you know, you shouldn't out someone.
01:03:10
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But then I can also understand how his feelings will hurt. um
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It's tricky. I mean, in the comments ah sort of say the same thing, like some people are saying not the answer, some people are saying you're the asshole. Some people are really berating this guy for taking advantage of a drunk friend.
01:03:33
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um Well, yeah, and I suppose that is an added layer, but I guess the way I read it is they were both drunk. Yeah. And and there has been an edit from the original poster. Ooh.
01:03:47
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He says, edit, everyone is calling me horrific things and I'm genuinely fucking sobbing. I was told to put this comment of mine up. I hate making it front and center, but everyone is imagining me to be able to do the worst and vile, absolute worst and vile things. This is how it went down.
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um As I also mentioned, I was significantly more drunk and he was the one in control. He wasn't the one left with bruises. He wasn't the ones with aches and pains and bloody underwear. I was. People want to act like I'm some sort of violent criminal when part of me feels like it's completely the opposite way round. And by no means am I saying that he raped me, I consented, but had I been sober, things would have been a lot different. I basically came out um came out of it feeling like a punching bag, mo both emotionally and physically.
01:04:44
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so so Jake in his probably being questioning his sexuality and whether he's attracted to his friend or men also hates that part of himself got drunk and basically took it out on him had really kind of rough sex with his friend where he also kind of treated him as if he was like like he was disgusted and by him yeah sounds like it doesn't it Yeah. Well, I'm glad they, I didn't, I, it didn't immediately occur to me that this person took advantage of his friend, but no, I didn't read it that way either. Um, and I think, I think that really highlights Jake's shame, which is why he reacted the way he did when he, they asked, which you could have just been like, no, just said no, yeah we're friends. so Like people lie about that stuff all the time until they figure out what's going on between them.
01:05:37
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and sorry You didn't need to be like, oh no, that's disgusting. I have standards. Like, ew.
01:05:46
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Yeah. I mean, this person, one of the top comments is, yeah, I don't think you guys are best friends anymore. So I think that's kind of sums it up. There's also someone else saying you're the asshole purely for that edit trying to turn Jake into some violent rapist. After most comments on here weren't on your side. Nowhere in your original post did you say anything about Jake being violent or attacking you. That's beyond low and scummy for trying to rewrite things for sympathy after getting dragged. Fair. Um, I don't know if I, I feel like he said that though. I feel like he said it was,
01:06:26
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Like, not necessarily an enjoyable encounter, but it was consensual. Yeah. ah This person said, everyone's the asshole. His behaviour and dismissive of you was very telling of what kind of friend he is, and you have every right to be angry, um but it's also never okay to out someone. Please be kind to yourself. You are worthy of love and respect. Mm-hmm.
01:06:53
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Yes, so suck here everyone sucks, I'm afraid.
01:06:58
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do you
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I'm just like thinking about that happening. you know like They're drinking together, and if this person's far more drunk and in love with Jake, whether or not they have the bandwidth to kind of be like, we shouldn't, like, we shouldn't do this. Like that's not, and I think probably always harboring a secret crush makes it very easy, but it just makes me wonder about like the circumstances leading up to that where did this person maybe send,
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and I'm not trying to say this makes anything, I'm just wondering about like what made Jake then choose drunkenly or not that moment to like explore that. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Because he had a, you know, a choice the whole time. Yeah. And it's not like you go from just friends one minute to shagging the next. like Yeah. There's a process. Yeah. So. I mean, I think even in
01:08:13
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drunken states, people, you know what you're doing. Well, I will. I'm not going to say that because I think there are times and in incidents where that is not true.
01:08:26
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I'm thinking more about two friends who, like they're not so drunk that they don't know what they're doing with each other is what I mean, right? It's not like they he thinks he's making out with his girlfriend or the OP is making out with someone, not Jake. And like so I'm wondering about all of the things leading up to that point where Jake wasn't maybe honest with himself or OP wasn't honest with himself where they both were leading into it with the support of alcohol and because of how their perspective feelings are towards themselves and their sexuality and what they think they are. I mean, we know that people who are in the closet and struggling like to even acknowledge themselves, what their identity is for a variety of reasons feel a lot of shame there. yeah And that shame is projected. We know people would bully people and be closeted in some way, right?
01:09:23
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And so I don't know, like it, I think things happened before that night that really kind of drove it in that direction though. Yeah. And I don't know who's responsible. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. It could be the party. It could be both. Yeah. Um, yeah, shit all around. And I'm sorry that the OP has lost a friend. Maybe one day.
01:09:54
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Once Jake has come to terms with his feelings yeah and sexuality, then, you know, maybe there could be a conversation around what happened and some forgiveness. But until then, just hang out with people and try and fall in love with people who are decent. Yeah. And who know what they are and what they want. yes I think it's hard to walk that line with someone who is still trying to figure it out. Yeah.
01:10:24
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Agreed.
01:10:28
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Well, on that note, I hope you have a great week. Thank you. Excuse me. I hope the storm passes and you don't have to drive at night anytime soon. I refuse, even though I can't because I finish work by the time it's dark now. No, you just need to get a driver. Alan. Oh, okay. Yeah, Alan. Why aren't you driving me?
01:10:57
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