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57. I'm Clenched
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This week we're talking... American names Brits would never use, book to movie adaptations and an unannounced visitor in AITA
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Reuniting after nine years
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Hello. Oh, hi there. I'm just trying to look up a thing that I just was telling you about and now I'm very distracted and I'm sorry. Oh, that's fine. I'm well. How are you? I'm good. How have you been since we last chatted nine years ago? Oh, you're looking well. Haven't aged today. Oh, thank you so much. My curly hair's not doing very well. Look at it. Straight. I mean, it has a nice little bend to it and a shiny Didn't, it stayed for a day this week and then fucked
Curly hair humor and challenges
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off. Anyway, welcome to the show. We're not doing that today. I wanna talk about her hair some more. That is the content people want. Actually, no, I got a diffuser. Oh, okay, nice. Well, didn't work very well. What do you mean? It didn't initially, but it dropped out really quickly.
00:01:14
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Don't they go put enough product in? Oh, you do need a lot of product, like a concerning amount. And maybe you don't need as much because you're not doing, like you don't have as tight of curls as I do, but like you still do need a fuck ton. right Like it needs to look like garbage when it's dry and you scrunch that shit out. Like I haven't got all my, house my very crispy still.
00:01:42
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Oh, you've been asking me then. Anyway, okay, refresh. So talking shit, yanking grit. Yes. This is a podcast. Thanks for listening.
Podcast introduction and cultural perspectives
00:01:53
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God, this is a terrible intro, isn't it? It's a podcast where we actually are just chatting with each other about our days and shit going on in our lives and things that grind our buttholes and things that make us happy. And we decided to publish it to the world.
00:02:11
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So welcome to our conversation. um If you haven't worked it out yet, I am the Yank and she is the Brit. Sure i am. ye um So obviously we come from different parts of the world and that's why we thought it would be cool to talk about shit and give our perspective. We're actually siblings though, were we haven't We had a parent trap situation where we got separated. When did you find out? um I was keeping that secret. I just found out and I was actually really hoping to have it out with you today. I'm mad. I just feel like you manipulated me. No, I just didn't tell you the full truth.
00:02:56
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you well And silver lining is, is i I think I actually have a mom who likes me now. That's a real story. Your mom, I think she likes me. so she knows she She fan girls, man. Yay, finally.
00:03:12
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um to me Yeah, we still need to do that. so maybe Maybe December? yeah o Hope hope the the celebration tomorrow is fun too. Meet the mom.
00:03:26
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Should I just come over for that? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to head to the airport, but I'll put this on my phone and we'll just carry on that way. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. I don't think fine will be too loud. No, that'll be fine. Yeah, fine. Anyway, so yes, we talk about things that we want to talk about and we always welcome suggestions. And so if you, you know, if there's something you're curious about hearing our perspectives on, because I know we're very interesting and influential, you know,
00:03:55
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We'll let you know where you can send that in too. But moving forward, how was your week? My week was fine and dandy. Yankee Doodle. Yankee Doodle. for the for So for life update, for listeners that don't know, I have been made redundant from my nine to five office job.
Redundancy: Emotional journey and future plans
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Fucking rude. Made redundant is such a weird way to... it just it's like I hate it. Yeah, it's weird. Can't they just use another word? Laid off. We got laid off. If you Google what redundant means, it's just the worst thing ever. It's just like you are a piece of shit on the bottom of my shoe. Worthless. I hate you. You're worthless. You are no absolutely not meant for this world. Fuck off.
00:04:49
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That's how they do it here. um so Thanks. Yeah. We call it laid off, but you guys get way better. It's personal, isn't it? Yes. But I think you get more, like we could get laid off and it's just like, oh, you know, you also don't get anything. So good luck.
00:05:08
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Oh, really? I mean, some people can get like fired and let go. They won't get anything. But with redundancy, there are they have to, if you've been with the company for more than two years, then you get yeah severance or redundancy pay, as it's called here. You're so shit. want to Give you a bit of money. yeah
00:05:30
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um and Sorry, go on. um So yeah, that's been a ah ah period of transition and transformation, I guess I can say. um It's been really stressful. It's always been going on for a couple of months now because the way it works in England is they ah start a redundancy consultation period where the company gives you like a month or lets you know that the the consultation has but begun and what they're meant to do is find you other work within the business if they can, try and you know keep you if they can. Who knows if they do that? I don't know. And then at the end of that consultation period, they either tell you whether you're no longer at risk or they give you notice.
00:06:23
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so they gave me notice, I worked my notice and my last day was uh last Monday I guess when this comes out it was yeah Monday before the one just gone um so yeah it's been um it's actually been quite enlightening I didn't realise how stressed and anxious I had been constantly for the past six years and having now
00:06:59
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I'm not having a job. like Honestly, I feel so happy, man. I feel like a weight has been lifted. I'm just like, I feel like a free bird. I don't feel scared. I don't feel anxious. I don't feel like I've got a million things to do. And I'm just like, it's great. It's fucking brilliant. So jealous. So jealous. But I mean, I know in it it's scary.
00:07:27
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It's frustrating. It's annoying. It probably also made you feel it like, like a piece of shit, like redundant does. But I think as we were talking about the other day, like kind of the silver lining, you know, and I think it really, you can kind of reflect and be like, Oh, you know what? Like this probably was not overall the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
00:07:47
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Yeah, initially it felt like it was, but I've worked through that now. you um And just kind of feel like the world's most and now I can do whatever, whatever I want. Coming out of my cage, I'd have to do just fine. But yeah, I can, you know, I've got time to actually sit down and consider what I'm going to do. And it's very nice, very freeing. I like it very much. Yes, please. Well, I'm,
00:08:16
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Happy to hear that. I'm not happy that you had to go through that experience, but I'm happy that like where you're at now is where you're at. And I am looking forward to kind of hearing and watching and supporting you and what you do next. fine You know, on this podcast and off.
00:08:35
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I'm your biggest fan and I will fight anyone who says they're your biggest fan. Oh, you hear that mom. you don't have many Just kidding. But, um, no, I mean, yeah, I, we've obviously kind of been talking about this since you learned about this and, um,
00:08:58
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it sucks, but I think, Hey, their loss. Yeah, well, obviously that, but I also think, you know, you've been talking about things you've been wanting to do kind of with your life and and career goals and stuff. Now's the time. Now's the time. The universe has given me a big old kick up butt. So what did you do this week then? Nothing. Yes. Right. You got to take that time too.
00:09:24
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Well, I did a load of cleaning yesterday, which was fine. I went and spoke to a potential, well, like a drama club about teaching there. Nice. I went and saw their little performance last night for the end of their summer club. So yeah, I'm sort of making moves, but also doing fuck all at the same time. You know, it's nice. Just going to be the flow. No pressure. No pressure. No heat. No pressure.
Events and experiences: TEDx and local fair
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Just hang with me and my weather. What have you been doing?
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Um, well, same old, same old. I, you know, as you have experience with me, I'm usually like nothing. I worked and sat on my couch and thought about my shitty life. No, just kidding. But, uh, you know, I am, I don't do a ton all the time, but this past week actually did a little bit more than usual, which was kind of exciting. Uh, ended up going to a Ted X talk.
00:10:20
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I mean, I think people know what a TED talk is, but they also have like TEDx and like TED conference. There's like a lot of different sub genres. This one was a TEDx here in town and it was called confluence where ideas meet action. And it was my first one. It was really interesting. um Not what I envisioned, but overall I really enjoyed it. I'd like to go to more, but it had like one, two, three, four, six different speakers about like a variety of topics. There was not like a single theme okay um and a couple of performances and it was just pretty interesting. um And seeing being in person and seeing kind of like the whole, we're filming it, someone might need to come out and do it another bit again, or they if they want to take another bit again, they'll just stop and kind of repeat it. and Oh, so you saw behind the curtain.
00:11:13
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Yeah, yeah. And it was more scripted than I thought it would be, but I guess having watched some clips of Ted Talks, like I suppose those are scripted too, right? Like people know what they're going to say. But some of it I was like, there this is literally feels like it's someone on stage reading from like i like doing ah a reading of a play they're going to be in, you know? And it's not a big deal because it was still interesting, but I just was surprised about that.
00:11:41
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um But that was fun. And then, you know, this we've talked about the state fair here. um And that is coming up soon. Yep. And so we got, my friend and I got invited to the taste of the fair, which is like a pre fair fundraiser where people can go and it's like all inclusive food and drinking. You can try some of the new fair food because that's always a big deal. Some of the staples, there's like an auction, there's music.
00:12:08
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Um, you get to go into the fairgrounds. It's only like a specific section, but, and it was interesting because the only time I've ever been into the fair was when there was like millions and millions, the whole world's there. So, um, being there when there's maybe like 200 people there was quite a bit different. Yeah. So this was like a feral dove. Yes. Um, it was great though. I got to see a live auction where people spent like $11,000 on a bench, just an old fair bench. All right.
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And the group was just like,
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yep um and it's just like that's cool, but also there's starving kids out there. So, um, but it was for, it like, it was for a fundraiser too. So it's like, I was, people were, I think just in the spirit of like, well, I'm going to donate and I guess I get a thing. So like some of the other stuff was a really premium parking spot that I think went for $3,000 and going down the slide with Fairborn and Fairchild, which are these two mascot like chipmunk guys. all right ah That one went for, I think, $3,000. Some camping spots between two and $4,000. And I just was like, oh my God. What did you bid on? Nothing, because ah there was no way. I would be like, $20 for this, and people are going to be like, $7 million. dollars
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um But tried some interesting food. Let's see. I had like a focaccia potato chip ice cream sandwich, which actually was really good. ah Cheese curd taco.
00:13:50
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Just a lot of good stuff. It was good. I had fun. Nice. Yeah. There's my link. After a bit of a technical difficulty, we're back. Anyway, that was my week. And we're back.
00:14:04
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Well, that's lovely for you and I hope the... When is the actual fair? Plug it. I think it starts on Thursday this coming week. The day we air. The day this episode should air is when the fair starts. Great. How long does it- And it goes through Labor Day. When the fuck's Labor Day? September 2nd. Fucking hell, that's a long fair. Yeah, two weeks. I mean, it's a big fucking deal. Man, we have fairs here and there a day. Yeah, I'd say some fairs generally like our day or cup like a weekend. um But like the state fair versus just a fun little pop-up fair versus a county fair, you know it's all different. like The Iowa state fair, I think, just is just rapping. It tries to be like Minnesota, but I can't quite get there. But I think it's getting better so or bigger. I don't know. um But yeah, it's a big deal.
00:14:55
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It's a great Minnesota get together. It's a pretty big tale. One day you will come with me and be shocked and amazed. Just my mind blown. This is not a little village fair that we have in our little English villagers. Nope. I think you'd be shocked at how shit they are. I think it's probably just differences in how we define fairs, right? I suppose so.
00:15:23
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I mean, we also have like the other kind of fair, which is like the, it's like a theme park that comes on the backup truck and they set up for a couple of weeks and then fuck off again. I think people probably can refer to those as fairs, but I think we would call those carnivals too. When we call carnivals more of like a street party. I mean, hey.
00:15:51
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See, still learning things about each each other.
00:15:57
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On that subject, I've got some names, which I think, well, they're American names that wouldn't be seen dead here. okay Okay. Yeah. Not in a horrible way, just I've never met or heard of any British person being called these names.
00:16:20
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Okay. I think we should discuss. First one, Chad. Oh, absolutely. No, that is not only full on an American name, but it also is like, um, kind of like Karen, but for douchey men. Oh, is it? Yeah. yeah Like stop being such a fucking Chad.
00:16:41
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yeah I do. I have met a couple Chads and. I can't say all of them were nice. Some of them are lovely people, but yes. It gives me the impression of like a college jock asshole. Yeah. Yeah. You know, yeah like really good looking absolute cock. Yep. Yeah. Cool. That's, I'd say that's right on. Not that every chat is like that, but yes. I'm sure there is a nice chat, but if you've got that name, sorry. Yeah. Um, Brittany.
00:17:17
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Obviously we know Britney Spears. And my friend Britney. And your friend Britney. But I never heard of anyone in England being called Britney. That is a very American name and I think it's a very kind of 80s and 90s name. There's not a lot of young Britneys anymore that I can recall. Maybe Britney. No, not it's, yeah. um I would agree that is ah that is an American name. Okay, next one is Peyton.
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Okay, and now we're starting entering the territory of the, ah I would want to say like the late 2000s genre of Patons, Layton, Jaden, Braden, Caden. Yeah, I was going to say Clayton, Braden. yeah um I also can't say, you can't say Peyton with an English accent. Peyton.
00:18:10
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Just so it sounds nicer. It sounds nicer when you say it like that, but when people are like, Peyton, Peyton, that's my shotgun.
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Yeah. Tucker. My cousin's name is Tucker. Oh, OK. I was going to say that. I don't think he listens if he is. Hi. Hi, buddy. um But yeah, he's like one of the only Tucker's that I've I know.
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I think there's been like Tucker's, I think I've met a dog named Tucker. I think there's like- It does sound like a dog name. A book, Tucker Everlasting, I don't know if his name was Tucker, yeah. But yep, that is, has the unfortunate relationship of rhyming with Fucker too. It does, yeah. Fucker the Fucker. Yeah, that's unfortunate, isn't it? It just makes me think of like a feral child running around in dungarees.
00:19:08
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You know, Tucker, again, if you're listening, is that a fair characterization of you as a kid? I mean, I also feel like I was probably a feral child for a little while, so no hate there, but yes, I see what you mean. Like, Cletus names his child Tucker. Exactly. Yeah. Cletus. This one, to be fair, I do know someone with this name, but I do think it's American in the main. Virginia. Yeah, I mean,
00:19:37
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Virginia name of a state. but as for ja Does that come from like Virgin Mary? Is that where it derived? Or like was someone's wife named? I mean, somewhat the first person had to be named Virginia somehow. It's very close to vagina. Yeah. Was there like a queen Virginia? I don't think so. We got Victoria. I don't know. I mean, maybe like France. Oh yeah. Yeah. Maybe European.
00:20:05
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I feel like it's related to Virgin Mary or virginal though. Probably, yeah. It's Christian origin, I would just assume. Yeah, for sure. um Hunter. Yep. I don't know if I know any hunters. I think i but like I've always appreciated that name particularly.
00:20:28
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When it's a girl, that's kind of cool, but also Hunter Wellington boots, which comes from England. That's true. Yeah. That's why we don't call child. Yeah. We
Humorous cultural name critiques
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don't name children after our boots.
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um
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Anderson.
00:20:49
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That's a last name. That is, i I've never heard of... No one with a first name. Okay. No. But yeah, I can see... Clearly, but I can't give you an example. I mean, because it kind of is derived from like, you know how it's like Anders' son, oh yeah Thor's son, Jon's son. So someone named...
00:21:15
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Onders, which I think is Scandinavian, and I i think there's an actor named Onders who was on that show about like coworkers. i can't It's not office space but or the office, but something in its comedy. Anyway, but yeah, I've never met anyone or heard of anyone with the first name Anderson. Scrap that one though.
00:21:34
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No, it's still legitimate just because I don't know someone doesn't mean they don't exist. You know everyone in America. It's true. I do. Yeah, you're right. I always said that about you. um Braxton. Oh, it just threw up in her mouth a little bit. It's fine. It's just still evoking like Braden, like the X names when people started using X and like Jackson and Paxton. And I i There's someone from my hometown with that name and so I don't want to be too mean about it but yeah it's not na' an American name. I actually quite like the name Jackson. I don't think we with an ex. No, not with an ex. No, Jackson's a fine name but like when I started seeing people.
00:22:17
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the CK names is being replaced with an X. but is I don't like it when people do that. like Just start spelling normal names weirdly. There's no need for it, you know? yeah What are you doing? Just trying to give your child trauma?
00:22:34
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Yeah, have them constantly have to, I mean, you know what, do what you want, but also it's like kids don't get to pick their names. So maybe just like consider that a little bit, you know? I saw a thing the other day that was like, what's like a word that isn't a name, but could be a really nice name. And they were like, I think chlamydia. Chlamydia. Yeah, it's from waiting. And it's like chlamydia. I think I would name my daughter that name.
00:23:02
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Yep. Okay, a couple more for you. Hank. Hank Hill. Hank Hill. I actually do know someone called Hank. I know a dog name Hank, I think. That is a cool dog name, actually, yeah. Speaking of. Speaking of. A dog has just joined us. Hello. Is that Eric? That's Eric, yeah.
00:23:26
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Hi, Eric. Hi, Eric. I know someone whose name is actually Henry, but goes by Hank, now that I think about it. Yeah, maybe it's the same for this person as well. I don't know, to be honest. I'll find out then. Okay, final American name is Colt. Colt 45.
00:23:48
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Yep. Fucking we love gut people. Named after. Again, and if people are listening, who I think might be listening, who know people or are related to people with names, people. yeah I mean, no offense. Weston. Remington. Colt. I just. Weston. It's very it's very it evokes country. It evokes hillbilly. It evokes conservative.
00:24:16
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but Yeah. Yeah, so we would not name our children those names here. um
00:24:26
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And I just think we need to- What are some British names? Gemma has come over here, I know, but I think that's a very British name. Ooh, I made it across the pond. Yeah. um What about like, there's classic British names.
00:24:46
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which aren't really used anymore, which I bet no one in America. whether I mean, I think if someone uses it as because they're like a. They're big British fan, they just aren't obsessed with England or a book with that person's name in it. Yeah, so like Edith. Yeah, I mean, old old lady name like I don't think I've met anyone named Edith in my life, but if they were, if I did, it's going to be an old lady. I saw a really good list the other day. I don't know. That's called Clementine.
00:25:25
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Yeah. I think some of the older names like that are coming back, like Eleanor, um, Gatrud. Gatrud, Edmund. Oh yeah. Nope. Don't know any Edmonds.
00:25:42
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Edwin. Edgar. who I do like the name Edgar actually. Yeah, it's quite nice actually. Fabian. who ok
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Tabitha. I know quite a few of them. Quite a few. No, I don't. I probably don't like one. It was a cat too.
00:26:13
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ah Yeah, there's loads. I'll ah put a little. Pippa. That's a real British name and I don't know if I've come across any American Pippas. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but when I hear the name Pippa, Poppy, I immediately think Brits. What about Archibald?
00:26:31
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I mean, yeah, Archibald, Nestingworth, Oxford, the third. Geneva. Geneva Archie, I guess. You know what? I wouldn't have thought of that ah as being traditionally British, but sure. I just think the Geneva Convention, though, so. Oh, yeah. Well, it's Geneva. Geneva, or?
00:26:56
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There's an R in there? Yeah. Are you talking about, are you trying to say Guinevere? No. knock Geneva? It's G-U-I-N-E-V-E-R-E. Spell that again. G-U-I-N-E-V-E-R-E. Guinevere. Guinevere.
00:27:24
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I feel like that is what that is. OK, so maybe you just pronounce it differently to us then. G-U-I-N-E-V-E-R-E. That's fucking Guinevere. Gemma.
00:27:44
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As in Guinevere of the Knights of the Roundtable. To be fair, I can't be trusted because when I read Harry Potter before the films came out, I thought Hermione was like Him-ee-own-ee. Yeah, I get it. You don't hear a name pronounced or a word pronounced, you figure it out and then you learn you're wrong and it's embarrassing. But I'm pretty sure that's Guinevere. Fine. Guinevere it is. You can cut this out. The shame. Shame. Shame.
00:28:13
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Yeah, that's a very old school name. I don't think people are using Guinevere anymore, because it's like kind of a big, like, what are you trying to say? Way to make me live up to a name I can't live up to. Yeah. Like, come on. Just call me fucking princess. Banana hammock. Butt. Butt-worthington. Did you say banana hammock? Yeah.
00:28:40
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Okay. We've both talked about being child free. and that will be true for our entire lives. But if you were to have a child, what are some of your favorite names? I always said before, I made the decision not to have kids, that if I had a boy, I would call it Ted after. As a Theodore? Nope, just Ted. It'd just be Ted? Because my granddad was called Ted, but I never met him. He was Edward, but everyone called him Ted.
00:29:13
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um So I thought it'd be nice to name a child that name, because he died when my dad was four. It's a good name, i you know and I like the different iterations of it, Teddy. Exactly, Teddy the guy gave. I always quite like Bobby as well.
00:29:33
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um And that could be for a girl or a boy. way yeah I think that's cute. I can't really think of any girl's names, I always like the kind of boy-girl names like Taylor. Yeah. That sort of thing. Yeah. That's cool. And I know there's names that I was like, oh, I would totally name my kid that. And I can't think of any right now. So I'll have to share that on another episode when it occurs to me. I know someone called Jamie, a girl called Jamie. Yes, Jamie's a good one too. Oh, that's a cool name. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:09
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It's when you start getting into the weird different spellings again though, like when there's ah Ashley, A-S-H-L-E-I-G-H. Yeah, or A-S-H-L-E-E. Ash Lee. Ash Lee. It's just making sure that everyone knows how to pronounce it. Yeah. Let's make it vitally clear. Yeah. Well, you know, bring ah bring it names back, bring the weird ones back. like um
00:30:39
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There's, I'm looking at, cause I looked up Guinevere, there's one like Guinefatch and it looks very Welsh. It's like G-W-E-N-H-Y-F-A-C-H. That's just fuck some people up when they say names. The ones that fuck me up are the Irish names, like Neve. How do you spell that?
00:31:00
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Well, that's a good question. Fuck no. ah There's one that always, and I think it's pronounced Siobhan, but have the spelling is very con... Yes. Or the actress, Saoirse, how her name is actually spelled is very confusing. I couldn't say that out loud. No, I had to wait until someone told me what it was. Yes. So Neve is N-I-A-M-H.
00:31:30
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And I, oh, so Niyama. Oh yes. I see here. Okay. And what about this other one? That's like A O I F E. And I had to look that one up when I came across it for the first time.
00:31:46
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It's pronounced EFA. efa But it's a A O I F E. It's like, it's like Kiefer O'Sullivan. Yes. Here's one that's C-A-O-I-M-H-E. How do you think that's pronounced? So what was it again? C-A-O. Yep. I-M-H-E. Well, if it's anything like neave, it would be like keave. Kweeva. Kweeva. Yeah. Does it laugh? Yep. Yep. Just made me think of Kweefing.
00:32:25
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Yup.
00:32:30
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You know, Gaelic is such a beautiful language. but Sorry, we have the brains of 14 year old boys. We are so uncultured. Okay. I think we can move on from this topic before we offend any of our listeners in some way. If any of you do have those names, they are beautiful and you are a wonderful person. We are just horrible.
00:32:54
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yeah Yep, yep, yep. What else were we going to talk about today? I don't know.
Gender inequality pre-1974: Personal stories
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Oh, I came across onto the upsetting and infuriating portion of our podcast.
00:33:12
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I came across there, someone sent me just an Instagram post that the question was asked, if you used to be anti-abortion and now you're in favor of reproductive freedom, what changed your mind? And I looked at the comments and some things, I just, it was, first of all, I was happy to hear that like there are people out there whose minds can be changed. yeah that's nice i As we've talked about in the past, that is very rare anymore. um And some people talked about, you know, just being,
00:33:42
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in labor and delivery or nurses and seeing how, you know, abortion health care isn't just about quote unquote killing babies. It's about saving lives um of art like people who are alive in the world, right? um And one was Kind of a point I've tried to make to people when talking about either this issue or the differences between you know government in in and Republicans and liberals is this person wrote, I'm pro-life, but vote pro-choice because the government has no business telling victims what they should do with their bodies. And too many legislatures have proven that they don't know when an abortion is, they don't know when an abortion is medically necessary to save the mother's life. And you might not know this because
00:34:31
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some of it's kind of nuanced, but a big feature of conservatism and republicanism is small government, right? Like government shouldn't be able to like kind of make all these decisions and laws and stuff that impact people's lives. They believe it, but when they say government, they mean the feds. So right then it's kind of like, well, then it should be up to the States, which is still government. And that's why it's so frustrating to me because this issue of you know like Roe v. Wade and then when they overturned it, is what as we talked about before, it's now leaving it up to the states to make laws about it. Roe v. Wade made it so that there could be no laws that restricted abortion. right so In a way, it was doing what generally conservatives think about government being involved in people's lives, but they also are
00:35:21
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pro-life, so therefore their opinions matter more. And I just like that this person kind of was saying, I believe in, you know, life begins at conception, but I'm not a hypocrite. Yeah. So, and then also this other one before I kind of say going to our next topic is the idea that you can't ethically compel someone to donate an organ.
00:35:44
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You can't ethically compel someone to save someone's life using their body. So even if fetuses are people, you can't ethically compel someone to carry one. Yeah. That's a great way of looking at it. And really anti-abortion is anti-woman. Yep. In essence, yeah. Yeah.
00:36:04
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So I thought it would be fun to talk about the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974, just briefly. Okay. Strap in, guys. Yeah. I'm not going to actually go into great detail about it, but it's this is a BuzzFeed post titled, 23 Shocking Stories and Confessions About What American Women's Lives Were Like Before the Women's Rights Movement, which I think yeah kind of kicked off with the Equal Credit Act of 1974. Just 50 years ago, women gained the right to open credit cards in their own names thanks to the Equal Credit Opportunity. That's mad, isn't it? I know. 74. That's 13 years before I was born. That's crazy. That's mental. A lot of the posts are about
00:36:53
Speaker
My mom was a single mother and had enough money to buy her own house and no bank would give her a loan and her dad needed to cosign. and ah My mom needed a hysterectomy and the doctor faked permission from her estranged husband who was an alcoholic abusive asshole so that she could get it because even still today, doctors will say, you can't get your tubes tied. You can't get a hysterectomy unless your husband consents. and Even if you have a consenting husband,
00:37:22
Speaker
some doctors will say, but what about your hypothetical potential future husbands? Because this might not last forever or he might die. And then when you get remarried, that husband might have some feelings about this. So they just make up people who have more autonomy over a woman. Over your own body.
00:37:42
Speaker
Yes. That's infuriating. Another post was, my husband and I bought our first house in 72, but my income couldn't be included on the mortgage application in 71 because I could, horror, get pregnant. Wow. Yep. Yep. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay. Surely it still counts. like I mean, cause it's like, well, if she gets pregnant, she's not going to work anymore. And then that income isn't going to exist. So we can't give you a loan based on that dual income because you might not have it. And it's also like, well, we already know I can't get pregnant. So yeah, you can, you can. So dumb. Um, my mother 47 at the time got breast cancer in the late 1960s. At that time, it was required that my father had to sign off on any surgery she needed.
00:38:36
Speaker
Her doctors wanted to do a procedure to see if the cancer had spread. He said no. what but He had been a manipulative mean nasty drunk for many years. That was the last straw for my mother. she filed for divorce and then he committed suicide. So like really kind of some trauma out there with that family. no But he also was like, nah, you can't you can't help with her cancer. Sorry. That's mad. Also, it would be even harder back then. Like now we have mobile phones and easy ways of communicating, but then you'd have to walk all the way home, go to a pay phone, call them at work or at home and hope they're in and get them to come down and sign some papers. like I actually wonder if
00:39:17
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perhaps husbands were attending those appointments with the wives. They probably had to be chapped around, yeah. Well, they had to drive them there. That's true. Good. Yeah. Okay, one more. Let me find a good one.
00:39:41
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I don't... I mean, all of these really suck and they're horrible.
00:39:46
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ah Okay, just a simple one. I had to have a male cosigner just for a checking account pre-1974. Ridiculous. Utter to madness. I remember my nun telling me stuff as well. I thought it was like just stuff like that that my granddad had to cosign everything and don't allow anything on your own. And if you didn't have a husband, then it had to be your dad or maybe your brother.
00:40:17
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I've just started watching Handmaid's Tale again, actually. That's all. I just wanted a reminder of what we're turtling for in society. Well, Alan hasn't seen it, so I was like, oh, you got to watch it. You need to see. Fair. We're heading towards and... I suppose it's a good way to prep. Yeah, exactly. I think this is what I need to do. This is how we end up. You need to be like this lone man and save me.
00:40:46
Speaker
thanks you You're all just studying. yeah But man, it's heavy shit. I've forgotten how um how much of a tough watch it is. like It's just constant constant sort of tension and anxiety the whole way through and just like, oh my God, this is so fucking awful. I hate it. Have you ever tried to read the book or have you read the book? No, I haven't actually.
00:41:07
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Me neither. I wonder if it's better or equally as and intense. See, like I always envisioned it being kind of dry, but I also didn't know much about it until the show came out. So maybe I should read it. Yeah. I mean, often the books are better than TV shows or films. So so I often don't feel that way. Really? I mean, there are certain things like if I'm really into the book, yes, but there are certain things where I'm just like, I'm just happy to be here watching it visualized. Oh, I get really annoyed. As you know with Harry Potter, we discussed that. But you loved Harry Potter, the books, right? Yeah. And so I get that seeing ah in film can be a simultaneously really exciting but also frustrating thing given how much they change. um
00:41:55
Speaker
But I mean, if it was just a book you read that you were kind of like, yeah, it was a fine book, and now they made a new movie, it's kind of like, oh, cool. you know like I think it depends on how much of an attachment you have to the book, right? Yeah, I guess. But it just annoys me when they make like little changes. Is it The Girl on the Train? Is that what it's called? Yeah, there is a book called that. Great book, and it's set in London.
00:42:18
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Is that the one with Emily yeah Blunt? Yeah. Okay. And so this is ah just like a ah creative decision. I don't know why they did it because the book is set in London and the whole point is that she's on a train and like, you'll know when you go into London on the train, you go past all the terrace houses and you can look in the windows. That's what it is. So they like cast a British actress, but then decided to just set it in America.
00:42:43
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And I was like, what? Why? And it wasn't a very, like, kind of country side-y to the point. And it was like, she's not seen in anybody's house. No. Like, what the fuck? ah Yeah, I just thought, what a weird decision to make. Like, obviously just trying to appeal to the American market, I guess. But Americans love British. Exactly. Why did they decide that? I don't know. Yeah.
00:43:07
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ah Twilight as well. friends our but loved it this This does grow my butthole actually a lot.
Twilight debate: Character portrayal opinions
00:43:12
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I'm clenched. um Twilight as well. I loved the books and I know they're a bit gay. You loved the book and loved the books. i They're literally the worst books. I was so invested in Edward and Bella's love. Okay. And do you know who recommended me to read them?
00:43:30
Speaker
My granddad. He was like, these are great books. And I used to read them. He didn't sound like that. and I don't know why I'm doing that voice. um That's actually kind of cute. Yeah. I got really into them. And then like, I really liked Bella as a character. And then Kristen Stewart just came and shut all over it. And I was just like, what are you doing? So you read the books before the movies came out? Okay. I read them.
00:43:57
Speaker
I think the third one had gotten out. Oh, really? And it was like I read them almost as a joke. Yeah. Me and Lauren were like, let's read these books and circle all of the shitty writing and typos and like inconsistencies. So you were probably bit a bit older as well then. Yes, I was in college. Yeah. Yeah. But we also enjoyed the movies because like they're just they're so bad. They're good, you know. And it also i automatically picked the cool shit that like vampires can do.
00:44:25
Speaker
Yeah. I was like I say, want to be a vampire. And then in the books, they're just in the films rather. It's just like, these are just people with whiter skin. Sparkly white skin. Yeah. i And I think because of how I did it, I inserted how Kristen Stewart portrayed Bella. yeah That's how I saw it in the books and instead of the other way around. And I wonder if I would have felt differently if I'd switched it. That's the big thing with it, isn't it? If you've read a book prior to the film or show coming out,
00:44:54
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you build a picture of what that character looks like, the mannerisms, and then an actress could come along and be completely the upset of what you've imagined. Yeah, agreed. Yep. I'm trying to think if I so loved a book that it was in the the movie or TV show just fucking ruined it and I can't think of one but one of my favorite books which is also a movie is Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil and it is kind of an old book but it's it's like nonfiction um but they made the movie was not like a documentary it had like Kevin Spacey, John Cusack, some other kind of semi-famous people but I thought the movie was fucking great but I also was like
00:45:46
Speaker
Horny for John Cusack, so yeah yeah yeah yeah But um good good book um Yeah, I mean sometimes they do it like gone girl was good the movie. um Yeah, I thought that was very similar to book Yes, did you see any of the other movies by that author like sharp objects or whatever? no I haven't actually have I and I think um Amy Adams is It might be sharp objects. I don't remember, but I liked those books. And I thought, you know, the the thing with thrillers too, though, is it's kind of like, they're never going to be award-winning whatever. That's it. I think it's different to like fantasy and stuff, isn't it? Yeah. um One of my favorite books is Chanterem. Yeah. You told me that and I keep meaning to read it. It's really good. Did you like the show? I haven't watched it.
00:46:38
Speaker
You refuse. I'm nervous. And it's also on Apple TV and who the fuck has Apple TV? Not me. Well, we tried to- Oh, we did try that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to get a VPN so you can use my log. Shh, don't say that, they'll hear us. Cut it out. but i was I was going to sign up for a free trial just so I could binge it, but I still haven't done it and I keep forgetting about it. i To be honest, i it's the reviews weren't great, so I was like, maybe I shouldn't. yeah I'll watch it. Yeah. And let you know. OK. But you've not read the book, so I'll read the book. I can't read the book first and then watch the show. Let me know what you think. OK. I can't believe that it's been out long enough. I can't believe it's not on some other platform by now. I know. Hear that, Apple, apple get you get it together. Put it on Netflix.
00:47:27
Speaker
Yeah. I've got that. I've got all the others, actually. I've got all the others. I've got Prime. I've got Now. I've got Netflix. Put it on one of them. Yeah, Disney, slash really? Disney. Yeah. Come on. Would you like to discuss whether someone is an asshole?
Family tensions: Setting boundaries
00:47:53
Speaker
You know I would, baby. i'm I have to say, when you said you're clenched earlier, when referring to being, I loved it, and I think that's our new catchphrase. Anytime we're, I'm clenched. I am clenched. And it could be referring to either part of our nether regions. Yeah. One of them is clenched right now.
00:48:16
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This episode is called The Clenching. The Clenching. Oh, God. Right, eye the asshole for asking someone one to stop coming to my house uninvited.
00:48:35
Speaker
No. Okay. oh Good to see you. Good to see you. Bye. See you next week. Not even a... Okay. Sorry. I'll let i'll let you finish. Could you please? But seriously. Right. My wife gave her brother a key to our house. Oh no. Okay. Now it just muddied the waters. I routinely go to my house on my lunch break and many times have found my brother-in-law at my house uninvited. No one else's home, but he comes to my house and eats my food for lunch.
00:49:06
Speaker
A couple of weeks ago, I had a 14-hour day at work, a Thursday, and I had to be in the field for a construction project. On Friday, I was struggling at the office and decided to call it a day so I could go home and rest. When I arrived home, there was my brother-in-law. I was exhausted and really not in the mood for a guest.
00:49:24
Speaker
Later that day I texted and told him that I wasn't comfortable with his unannounced visits and asked him not to do it anymore. I told him he was welcome at my house but I just wanted to know when he would be there as i need um and that I need boundaries. so He seemed cordial with his text response but I have caused a civil war. My wife is mad at me and so is her other siblings and parents. They said that I'm weird and I don't understand how siblings work.
00:49:52
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ah In my opinion, it's weird and rude to act like one has carte blanche. Carte blanche. Yeah, just like unfettered access. Carte blanche to someone else's house and food. So, a mildly asshole.
00:50:12
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Okay, like, that's what I meant by muddying the waters, though, because The issue here is we have two people who equally like have this house and kind of are allowed to have the house the way they want, but you have to consider the other person. Do you remember the one where the girl got the dog and the boyfriend's like, I don't fucking want a dog? Yeah. like It's not just your place.
00:50:33
Speaker
you know And so giving your brother a key is fine, but if your partner is like, okay, you know I'm fine with that, but I've noticed that I will come home and no one's here and he's just here eating our food. And like i I guess I'm curious.
00:50:51
Speaker
When you gave your brother the key, was it to just give him carte blanche access to her house? Because I actually don't know how I feel about that. Personally, I think he probably should have talked to his wife first and it should have been maybe her responsibility to talk yeah to the brother um and set that boundary because she's the one who gave him the key. ah But no, I think the fact that the family thinks he's weird and don't know how siblings work. um No, that's your family and the lack of boundaries there. That doesn't mean that's everyone's family.
00:51:20
Speaker
Now my brother lives forever away. He's not going to just show up, but if he lived in the same town as me and I gave him a key and Sean wasn't cool with him just showing up whenever he wanted, whether we're home, then that would be, but I also don't know if my brother would necessarily do that. And if he did, like, I'd also just be like, you can come over, but like, if you're going to maybe shoot us a text, I don't know. Like, Oh, I think it's fucking weird. Bang out of order. You give someone a key for like,
00:51:50
Speaker
emergencies. you know it's It's not just an open door policy. like you yeah It's rude. You don't just show up at people's houses unannounced. Unless everyone is truly like, come over whenever, don't care if if you want to come over When we're not home, it's fine, help yourself. That has to be clearly stated. I would be fuming if I come back from work or on a lunch break and there was just someone in my house. Even if it was my own brother or whatever, I'd just be like, you could have let me know. You know what I mean? Yeah. As you say, a text would be fine, but don't show up unannounced.
00:52:31
Speaker
No, it has to be specifically stated further to be that it can't just be assumed. Like it's not a given that way. What the given is, is that you have a key, which means that if we need you to come over and do a thing, you don't have to, we don't have to leave a key out, but like the expectation that you still are letting us know when you're coming over or knocking on the door when you arrive, like is there. It's not your housemate. Correct. Yes.
00:52:59
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Not the asshole. What did the comments say? Not the asshole.
00:53:04
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um This person said, if someone was coming into my house when I wasn't home, they would 100% lose their key privileges. Absolutely no way I'll re-tolerate that. The first time I came home and found he'd let himself in without asking, I would have gone ballistic and taken the key off him.
00:53:21
Speaker
Next person said, I agree. A key isn't an open invitation to use your house as your own. It's a sign they trust you if you were ever to need it. ah Yep. i Much, much the same. Don't you think with this family though, based on their reaction, that is not what a key means to them. A key means you get carte blanche access to our house. one It would seem so. Yeah. Yes. But then I guess some families are like that because you get like,
00:53:51
Speaker
You hear about people's parents just showing up unannounced for dinner and stuff. Like, that would also fuck me off. I'd be like, why are you here? Yeah, but if it's just you, then fine, right? Yeah. But it's not. No, exactly. But maybe his wife has also said to him, here's a key. Come over whenever you want.
00:54:18
Speaker
That's what I mean. It's like that as kind of the family, because if the parents and the other siblings think he's weird for setting that limitation, that makes me think that this is something that family does, but they are the weird ones. Yeah. Also, people say that, but they don't mean it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Just polite.
00:54:38
Speaker
to be like, yeah, come over whenever you want, but don't actually come over wherever you want. But let us know and make it when we're here. Yeah. Or I'll turn the lights off. This key is in case we need you. Yes, like the key is for go check on our pets or can you go pick up their package that's outside, you know, or can you make sure our house isn't on fire? Exactly. Let's see if there's any controversial ones.
00:55:10
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I'm clenched.
00:55:14
Speaker
I'm just so clenched. No, I mean, even these ones are just... Yeah, everyone's just like, no. You did say it was pretty clear cut. This isn't our siblings work. See? Weird. They're weird. Bye. Assholes.
00:55:32
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how
00:55:35
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On that note, I'm just coming around, is that all right? Oh no, I wasn't gonna tell you, but now that we're here. He's outside under the rock. Don't tell people that. Just put it under a different rock, it's fine.
00:55:50
Speaker
No, we just leave the door unlocked, so come on in. Come on down. Yep. Cool. I'm going to let your cats out as well. I feel like I should go outside. Great. So Lucy will flourish. She's screaming her head off right now, and I just know it's because she wants to go outside and fall down the steps. Yeah, that's what she wants. She told me, actually, last time I was over, she was like, look, I just, I know I'm going to fall down the stairs, but I need to be free. I need to fly.
00:56:21
Speaker
Even though I'm a literal potato with arthritis and I'm not flying anywhere, nor is any big bird picking me up because I'm so big. Then she was like, oh, my banana toy. Yep. Let me lick it until it disintegrates. I got her a new one too.
00:56:37
Speaker
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00:57:07
Speaker
I've got a really weird throat at the moment. Yep, you can find us at that social media. I just coughed. That one. Don't ask how to spell it. It's at T-S-Y-P-Pux. Thanks. Thanks for putting that. Well. I hope you don't die. It was good to see you. Angie, it was lovely speaking to you. And, um... We've got a GoFundMe show, so you need to drink water. Bye. Bye.