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60. Stop, Plop & Roll
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This week we're talking about things we never see but must happen, a harrowing trial in France and a bathroom related AITA!
Do you have any things that we never see but must happen?! Send them to TalkShitToUs@gmail.com or DM us @TSYBPOD
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Episode Introduction & Podcast Dedication
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Well hello there and welcome back to episode 60 of talking shit with a yank and a bread. bo bo bo You are so prepared because if you had said, hey Kate, what episode are we recording today? I wouldn't have known.
00:00:29
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It's only because when I start this little recording session. You title it. Yeah. And so I know where we are. Okay. It would have been like 6,024. Yes, that's how many we've done. Well done. Thanks. We've been working real hard.
Hair Care Techniques: Plopping & Preferences
00:00:48
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How you living, girl? Living good. As you can see, I've got my plop t-shirt on my head. Yep. Love it. Love it.
00:00:59
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Yeah, you got a good one. Mine is always so sloppy when I do it. it's I'm surprised. It's probably why I get really fucked up curls sometimes. because I just am like, oh, that's good enough. but I bought one of those special head things. Like a, I don't know what it's called, head towel. Oh, like a microfiber towel. Yeah.
00:01:21
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yeah like a It's like a hood, but with a point at the end. Oh, interesting. And then wrap it around. Okay. But actually- Maybe I should get one of those. I prefer the t-shirt. Maybe a little bit easier to manage or better for your curls. Yeah. I just like do this now so it's not sopping, like just a micro plop and then I just let it, yeah, I don't actually wrap it because I feel like I, like I said, I just get a lot of fucked up curls that way.
00:01:49
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Stop ploppin'.
Training Sessions & Listener Feedback
00:01:51
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Yep, stop ploppin' roll. I don't know why I thought that was funny. Crack my shit up. I'm writing that one down. um when i was ah So as you know, because I've told you I have that training that I do twice a year um going on right now, and Saturday was the third day of it. and I was like looking at myself in the virtual image and I was like, I didn't scrunch out my hair that well. And one of my partners who does listen to them the podcast agent ah pretty regularly was like, I've been enjoying listening to you and Gemma talk about that. And I was like, yeah, I bet it's riveting stuff, isn't it?
00:02:36
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ah just riveting, riveting stuff riveting stuff. But we're on a journey together. Yeah. And we're bringing you all with us.
Curly Hair Movement & Trademark Humor
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Other people have started a journey too. We're inspiring, millions. Yes, I think we are. It's a movement.
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like Curly girl hair movement. Yep. It's invented by us, not someone years ago, there isn't a Reddit that has hundreds and hundreds of people on it talking about all their tech. No, this is something made by me and Gem. It's actually copyrighted and trademarked. so Yeah. You're doing it and you owe us some money. Yep.
Upcoming Shows: Music & Comedy
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Well, I would look forward to seeing your results today. I'm pretty happy with mine today, even though we can't really tell because my
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uh headphones now but yeah that's i just recently had a shower you know hence the plop yeah and i was like oh what do i do my hair's wet but i don't want to dry it so i'm just leave it in the plop left it in the plop so it might be mental i want to see i want to see i look like i'm wearing a burka yeah a little bit well maybe more like a habit like a nun's habit yeah or is it it's not a kaftan is it that's a Yeah, that's like the body thing. That's the top. Yeah. Or Moo Moo. Here, little ears. Well, you and I have both been busy.
Monday Energy & New Musical Inspiration
00:04:07
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You've been busy hustling for someone who you know was laid off, but you're making it work. Sounds like you're pretty busy. Do you have any like future shows you want to plug? ah that one By the time this comes out.
00:04:24
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um we Burn the Boat, one of my bands is playing at the Kemp in Brighton on the 5th of October. but
00:04:38
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Um, I've got others in the diary, but it's going to take me a minute to go through it. Okay. Well, there's one. Once they come up, I'll let you know. Yeah. Took out the socials. Um, what do I have coming up? Uh, my stand up at the underground comedy club. I'll have a show in Los Angeles. You don't tell me anything.
00:05:00
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Yeah, this was a surprise. Happened so fast.
00:05:06
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Yeah, you like what I did there? Anyway, ah no, nothing going on with me. Well, you're busy be at work, aren't you? so I guess.
00:05:19
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i can Well, on that note, I guess we should ah crack on with some entertaining content and um give the people what they want.
00:05:30
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I mean, you said that so inspiringly. I used to, that really got me going, I think. It's Monday morning for me. It's Monday afternoon for Jem. No one have too high expectations, please. It's Monday, fun day. Monday, fun day, better than a Sunday. You only do it one way and that's the fun way.
Everyday Mysteries: Goths & Ice Cream Vans
00:05:50
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Woo!
00:05:53
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Oh yeah. That's the title of your new musical. Yes, it is. The One Woman Show. Going to theatres in January 2025. Oh shit, I yeah better get to work. Yeah, you better write that shit. What are we talking about today? Right. Well, I found, um,
00:06:15
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It's funny because I was thinking about some of these the other day and then I saw a post about it. It's like I've manifested it. No, your phone's listening to you and your brain. Maybe, yeah. I wonder if it can listen to my brain waves. Again.
00:06:31
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So there's things that happen that must happen in the world every day, but people never see it happening. and So I just wanted to run some by you and see if you've ever seen any of these things occur. Like Santa Claus? Not Santa Claus, no. A bit out there. Okay. A little more daily ah occurrence. Well, first one, for example, have you ever seen a goth driving a car? Like a like someone all black? Yep.
00:07:13
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Let me think about, let me just go pass through the last 37 years or at least when I'm driving. No, I don't think so. Not not in my memory. I can't recall this. No, but they must drive.
00:07:30
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Who is high and putting their thoughts on the internet is what I want to know. Stop it. It's like shower thoughts. Do goths drive? Well, there's plenty out there. but if I've never seen, you know, a black head, black eyeliner, leather jacketed goth driving a car. No.
00:07:57
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No, I don't think so either. I don't think I have. No. they' not maybe not Maybe they like only drive when they're not in goth mode. Oh, maybe maybe they're not allowed to drive in goth mode because it's too scary. In some states, I think it is illegal to drive in goth mode. Like in Kentucky, you can't. Or maybe they're all vampires.
00:08:22
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Oh, so it's only at night. Or turn into bats. Yeah. That's how they get around. Yeah. They fly. I'm sorry to our goth listeners who we might be offending, but if you have proof of your self-driving or a friend of yours driving, could you send it
Baby Pigeons & Pigeon Perceptions
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to us, please? Just so we can clear this one. This urban legend.
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Okay. Next one. Have you ever seen a baby pigeon? No. I haven't. I know. Are they just born fully adult? Exactly. I mean, I've seen pigeons making nests.
00:09:06
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But never have I seen but a pepper pigeon. That's because pigeons I don't think are actually like born from like how birds are. I think they're actually they formed out of like trash goo.
00:09:19
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right like Everyone hates pigeons because and they think they're like trash birds. and so like It's because they're actually just made of garbage that... What is that? Just found a bit of gel on my arm. Oh yeah. It does get everywhere. like boy kick on sorry like to the baby pigeons um Or maybe just like leftover residual hair gel. That's what they're formed out of. Yeah. So that's um um interesting. I think we need to Google this. Yeah. Just so we can see what they look like. I bet they're cute. I bet they're really fluffy. Baby.
00:09:59
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I mean, most birds. so No, they're hideous. okay First article, Mr. Solved why you never see a baby pigeon because no one knows their pigeon. Oh my God, look at them. Yeah, they're not cute. Cute. It's not like a duckling or a, you know.
00:10:24
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so what and it doesn't tell me why i've never seen one okay where is it where this article says nothing i wonder if it just because we don't know we're looking at baby pigeons oh so baby pigeons spend a relatively long time in the nest as much as 45 weeks when they finally fledge they just look like adults oh okay okay the squab Oh, oh, so. OK, so that's like when people are like, oh, I'm having a squab for dinner, they're just eating a baby trash bird. Yeah, apparently so. Gross. The next article, the linking in the article I was looking for, linked to this article, why here's why pigeons are the most misunderstood birds. So now we're going to advocate for some pigeons. Oh, right. OK, that's really interesting because I read an article about this.
00:11:16
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and um ah Fuck, I can't actually remember it now because my memory is shit. Basically, like before the war, the world wars, they were seen as like... but Useful? Yeah, really useful, incredible birds. Fuck, I really want to find it because it was amazing. They like stopped loads of shit happening and obviously we used them to carry messages and stuff. But they were used for other stuff. Let me find it.
00:11:47
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um Okay, so they're really smart. They're not on the level of crows, ravens, or parrots, but they're easy to domesticate, I guess, and they learn to play ping pong. They correctly distinguish between diseased and disease-free tissue. there yet And there was a study where they were told the differences between Impressionist and Cubist paintings, so they could like, oh yeah, this isn't the Impressionist era. Duh.
00:12:15
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And if you switch their babies with another birds, they can tell, which, yeah, that, and I think that probably makes sense, but they have strong family units and mate for life and don't feed them if you want to help them.
Rare Sightings: Neighbors & Wildlife
00:12:31
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Okay. no I think it was a real, which I sent to someone, so I'm going to find it. The ones we see in the city are mutts. They're a mix of breeds, so they're pretty.
00:12:43
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You get different colors, which is really pleasant. um I like this woman. Her name last name is Rosemary, I think. I like them because they tell a story about human history and human movement and the way we relate to animals. That's how she sounds, I think. That's definitely her voice. I just can't imagine her being any other way, to be honest.
00:13:10
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When a male pigeon's ready to mate, He struts around coos, puffs himself up, and does his best to attract a willing female. I'm sorry, but bird mating like rituals are so funny to me. They're so good. And I wish humans did that as well. I think we probably have a lot more success. Yeah.
00:13:33
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oh This is on birds and blooms if anybody wants to learn more about pigeons and maybe other birds. But just to describe this. So a baby pigeon, the one I'm looking at, it's like, it almost looks prickly and it's got like blue spiky things and then like really kind of wispy, wiry yellow hair. I mean, it actually is kind of so ugly. It's cute to be honest. But I think if someone was like, oh, come look at these baby pigeons, I'd be like, no, no, no. Those are the long extinct dodo bird. We found a new nest. yeah but They do look like dodo birds, don't they?
00:14:11
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Oh my God, and then this one, ah it's a Reddit one, the Rarely Seen Baby Pigeon, and it's a picture. I got it i gotta to send this to you because this one is insane. This one looks like it's been it's been through some stuff. There, check out that baby pigeon. It's yellow, it's got this like weird beak, it's got narrow little eyes. I don't know, something's wrong with this pigeon, I think.
00:14:38
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Someone said it's like an orangutan was crossed with a pigeon or a baby dodo bird. Yes. I'm being right. When people say a face only a mother could love, this is what they're referring to. Then someone said it's called a squab, you misspelled squig.
00:15:03
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oh Funny. That's good. Yeah, I can't. Oh, fuck. Just hit the mic. Sorry. No. I'd send too many memes. This is what I'm discovering right now. And you're not sending them to me, which I just find greatly offensive. I'm so sorry. You don't even like me. I don't, actually. Fair enough. I don't like me either.
00:15:35
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I can't find it, but when I do come across it, I'll send it and I'll repost it on Instagram. um But yeah, they did loads of really cool things and they're really intelligent. And then after the war, um
00:15:48
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someone like discredited them and made them seem disgusting. And then people were like, ew, pigeons, they're gross. And everyone started hating pigeons. Oh, that's too bad. They did all that work for us and then we're just mean to them. Sounds like humanity. Is mean. Yeah.
00:16:06
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All right, what else? Okay. Have you ever seen an ice cream van filling up with fuel or gas at the gas station?
00:16:23
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I'm gonna say no, but I feel like Our ice cream vans can be very sketched. They're literally just like cargo vans that people like pasted stickers of ice cream on. Yeah, there's very sketched some of them and I feel like seeing one at a gas station filling up probably wouldn't be that weird, but I can't say that I have. No, no one's ever seen it. It's never been seen.
00:16:47
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They're just, they run on, they run on the joy, the joy they get from children. screams too be well Which actually sounds horrific, but it's meant to be nice. I mean, I wondered whether they're actually electric because like we have, you know, milk delivery trucks and they're all electric because they don't want to wake people up in the middle of the night. So I wondered, oh, well maybe ice cream van's off.
00:17:16
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They could be, i mean the roof because milk or vans are refrigerated and it would make sense for it to
Revisiting Goths & Avian Oddities
00:17:22
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be the same thing. I think you guys also have like legitimate looking ones too. so yeah there's also a documentary that I keep seeing about... um Ice cream vans? Yeah, ice cream vans, where it was basically a big front for replie organized crime and drug dealing. Oh, well, that would explain why ours look like cargo vans, reused vans.
00:17:48
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I could see that being a real cheap way to money launder. You just need to go buy some ice cream, mark it up, get it in a cart. Oh, my Corolla could be an ice cream car. Yeah. I'm going to play some music out the windows really loud. Just hold out my windows, and it's like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh I don't know, some other ice cream that no one, ice cream sandwiches, I don't know. $12 please. We have, you've probably seen it in the UK, we call it a 99, which is like your standard cone, Mr. Whippy ice cream, chocolate flake. Sure have.
00:18:34
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And they're traditionally called 99 because they used to be 99p. Now they're about five quid. Yeah. Fuck those. Get a twister. Yeah. Fucking love a twister. They're so good. We're really missing out on not having twisters. My fellow Americans, I just want you to know this. They're so good. No, of course we don't. That's why I get so goddamn excited when I have one over there. Sean's mom stalks the freezer for me. Well done, Debs.
00:19:04
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Okay, have you ever seen a pothole being filled in? Yes. Okay. Fine, we'll debunk that one. I think perhaps because of how our roads are, and I know you guys have roads and cars obviously, but that is a big deal here for them to get filled, yes. Yeah, I mean it is for us because they're fucking everywhere. But sometimes you just drive over one where there's been millions of potholes and all of a sudden ah filled in
00:19:35
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who Well, they probably do them at night when people aren't really on the roads, but because we have, I think, so many two four lane roads, like you can close a lane, fill it in and cars can still go, so you can kind of do it. I mean, traditionally here, they like to do road works, you know, bank holiday weekend, school holidays, when the roads are the most busy. That's when they decide to do road works. Duh, that makes sense. The most obvious choice. Yep. Okay. Have you ever seen?
00:20:09
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a for sale sign being put up or taken down? Well, because I have bought two houses I ah have. Did you put them? No, our realtor did. Yeah. So I saw it being put up and then also removed. Okay, well, I haven't. They just pop up in the middle of nowhere. They do. All of a sudden. Yep, they do.
00:20:38
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Okay. So like, I get it. i I get that. It's just like one day you're driving down the street. It's not there. Next day it's there. And it has to be a really particular moment in time to catch it. But like I said, I told Ann bought a house. So yeah. All right. Okay. I mean, this one I have seen, but when you think about it, you don't see it a lot for how often it happens. Mm-hmm. Your neighbors taking their shopping in like their groceries.
00:21:08
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I feel like I see Bob doing it all the time.
Mandela Effects & Conspiracy Theories
00:21:11
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Yeah, I see Nick doing it all the time. I want to be like, do you need any help, sir? So you got about four cases of canned beverages there. Let me grab some. Is Bob an alcoholic? No, they're like soda and milk. I've been taking your beers in. Very sweet man.
00:21:32
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Um, have you ever seen a wild owl?
00:21:38
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i hear them all the time yeah i feel like no i i don't know if i have but i have heard them hmm sneak and like if i saw it it would be in a zoo and that's not wild right so no exactly i've seen them at like falconry yeah oh some stuff i've seen them online i mean some people get attacked by them yeah they have it coming though well there was that staircase wasn't there did you see that Yeah, but that's not what fucking happened. It might have been what happened. No one knows. Just an owl flew in and ate my wife. Pushed about the stairs. Yeah, it was angry owl. There's blood everywhere.
00:22:24
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To be fair, Alan did get like hit in the head with a bat the other day. Not not a bat, like a flying bat. Did he did he go get his rabies shots? I don't think he did, no. Oh, no. It's because his head's so shiny. and which just Was he outside? Yeah. Yeah, OK, probably fine then. um But you they should have like sonar you know to avoid objects, but this one. Sometimes it doesn't always work. you know um He probably doesn't eat rabies shots if it was outside, but you always hear about bats getting into people's houses and they say sometimes that's because they're confused and maybe they're open. When Nigel first moved over here and we're still kind of at my mom's house, it was at work. yeah Everyone was at work except for Nigel. and ah I get a call from him and he's like, there's a bat in your mom's house. I was like, we all have to go get rabies shots.
00:23:24
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It's pooping everywhere. oh bless Well, they say because it's like it could bite you at night and you might not realize you actually have it yeah been bitten, you know? So anyway. Especially if it's a vampire bat. I mean, they tend to eat so small insects and moths. nothing And fruit. Yeah. You'd be all right.
00:23:44
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Yeah, but I mean, if they're confused and ill, then they might just like fall on you and bite you, you know? Yeah, but it often happens. It does, okay. I send it my 27 bats.
00:24:00
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Because I'm confused for fruit or a little bug. You do look like a little bug, yeah. I know, just like a little cat bug, little lady bug.
00:24:12
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i I understand the intention by these lists though, because you're right. It's these things that we know exist or we just like assume exist or happen, even if very rarely do we actually see this very common occurrence or thing that happens or thing that exists in the world, like baby pigeons. They have to exist. Exactly. and we Have you ever seen one?
French Trial & Public Trials Debate
00:24:32
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No. Well, again, now we realize we just might not we thought might have thought it was like,
00:24:39
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I don't know, a monster. yeah They're so ugly. Who made it a bird in an orangutan? Who did this? Who made this monstrosity?
00:24:51
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Any any ah listeners at home have any other ones? I'm sure we could probably think of a ton. I do have two more actually. Oh yeah, sure. A crane being put up or taken down.
00:25:04
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Those worstcan massive fucking things. Or scaffolding for that matter. It's just like they're all of a sudden. I see that quite a lot. But yeah,
00:25:16
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cranes, I assume they just are like fully assembled always and they just like have to drop them in. And a seagull sitting in a tree.
00:25:29
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Well, no, of course not, because there's no trees where seagulls are. They're seagulls here. There's trees here. Never seen one in a tree. It's because they're too busy trying to find food. They're always on top of the roofs around here. Yeah. I wonder if it's easier for them, because of their feet, to sit on a flatter surface. Because they're like flat footed, rather than clawed, taloned. Seagulls and trees.
00:25:54
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Why have I never seen a seagull in a tree? They probably don't land in trees very often because they tend to be large birds with long wings, so they need a lot of clearance. And they're also typically associated with coastal environments where there can be less trees.
00:26:10
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They're coming inland now. yeah I think we've discussed this before. I mean, basically, England's an entire island, so like i suppose so they're going to be around. Land goals.
00:26:20
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Oh, here's some pictures of seagulls and trees and they look ridiculous. I'm not going to lie. Do they? Yeah. I want to see this shit. Here, I'll send you the one I was looking at. It just looks very out of place, to be honest. Hmm. I'm seeing that. I feel like I have seen that. I feel like that looks familiar. I mean, one of them is on like a felled tree. So it's a little bit, it's like, oh yeah, they probably, uh,
00:26:46
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do like stand on trees that are in water, right? But these three, these three look like, I don't know, is it finding Nemo with the squirrel? Like mine. Mine, mine, mine. Cute. Well, there you have it. Yeah, if anyone has any more weird occurrences or like Mandela effects, I love a Mandela effect. Yeah, yeah those are interesting. the Fruit of the loop.
00:27:17
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fruit of the loom, the cornucopia. So like someone debunked that and like like I know people are like, oh, that's fake. But I think someone was like, here is a literal shirt yeah with the tag. It was quite recent as well that that came out. but fruit What confuses me is, nope, that's never been our logo.
00:27:34
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Yeah. Like what vested thing would they have to other than I guess generate some buzz, right? Um, to say like to be like, no, that's not ours. Well, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole with it and started getting linked to like government cons conspiracyrac conspiracy theories. Cause the government are trying to prove that they can fuck people's minds with stuff. like You know, Avril's doppelganger.
00:28:00
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Yeah, exactly. there's ah There's a new one as well um about furbies. Oh, what is it? um That apparently they potentially may have been listening to us, spying on us. I mean,
00:28:18
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Honestly, like that's not that weird to me considering we have like Alexa and stuff now that does that shit. like i mean and They were, I think, voice act reactive. I never had one, but they like you could talk to it and it would like wake up. It almost had to have kind of some of the similar technology where it's just like kind of listening for that. um but you know Back then, I guess that was not like a concern I think people necessarily had. No, exactly.
00:28:47
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I'm glad I never had a Furby. I did and I loved my Furby. What was its name? I can't remember. I think it was just called Furby. Yeah, speaking of Lexa, have you seen the videos where people are asking, Alexa, why they should vote for Trump? No. And Alexa's like, I'm sorry, I can't give you any information on political, because it would be unfair. And then they say, why should I go vote for Kamala? And it like rills off a shitload of information. Interesting.
00:29:27
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That's so interesting considering the company that like manufactures and maintains Alexa, I would imagine probably is in favor of um the candidate that is going to make sure that they don't have to pay taxes. That's true, yeah. So interesting. Interesting. I haven't seen that, but I'll do some research on it. We can discuss more next time. Yeah, I'll send you them. I keep seeing it on reels. Okay, cool.
00:29:51
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00:30:04
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So for our... you know, in the know listeners or those who at least get online or watch the news once in a while, there was a woman in France who was a victim of some really horrific shit from her husband and had basically requested that the trial be public so that all of the people involved could be and basically exposed, right? Yeah, so 51 men were put on trial.
00:30:35
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in France for raping a woman for over a decade with her husband at the centre of it all.
00:30:46
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So, on Monday, last Monday, A total of 51 men went on trial in France's Avignon. A woman who was allegedly drugged by her now ex-husband so that she could be raped by other men while she was unconscious is expected to testify on Thursday before a panel of French judges on her yeah years-long ordeal, sorry. um Her former spouse, Dominique Pelicot, who's now 71 and 50 other men are standing on trial um on charges of rape and face up to 20 years in prison. The trial started on Monday in the southern city of Avignon and is expected to run until December. So Giselle Pellecott, who and her husband of 50 years, were living in their family home in a small town in Provence with their three children. But in late 2020, her world collapsed.
00:31:41
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um A security agent caught her husband taking photos of women's crotches in a supermarket. Nice, as you do. A leading investigator is to search Dominique Pelicott's phone and computer where they found thousands of photographs and videos of men appearing to rape his then wife, Giselle, in their home while she appeared unconscious.
00:32:06
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and Police officers investing the investigating the case also found communications Dominique had allegedly sent on messaging websites commonly used by criminals in which he invited men to sexually abuse his wife. um The website has since been shut down. Good.
00:32:23
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um Crude details of the repeated abuses which investigators said began in 2011. um and the And of the elaborate system, Pelikot had put into place over 10 years emerged on Wednesday during the trial.
00:32:41
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So the accused men represent a kaleidoscope of working class and middle class French society. Truck drivers, soldiers, carpenters, trade workers, a prison guard, a nurse, an IT expert working for a bank, a local journalist, um and they all range from age 26 to 74. And many have children and are in relationships.
00:33:07
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and Most men are charged with raping a woman once. A handful are accused of returning as many as six times. One gave her HIV. Wow.
00:33:19
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So the men invited to the couple's home had to follow certain rules. They could not talk loudly, had to remove their clothes in the kitchen and could not wear perfume or smell of tobacco, French media reported. They sometimes had to wait for up to an hour and a half um in a nearby parking lot for the drugs to take effect and render their victim unconscious.
00:33:40
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The victim, Giselle, who has since divorced her husband, good and changed her surname, good, is now in her 70s. Other defendants have denied the rape charges with some arguing that they had the husband's permission and thought that was sufficient.
00:34:00
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Yep. Well, I guess in some, you know, back in the day and perhaps in some countries, maybe that would suffice as consent. Yeah, not in 2011, though. No, not I don't think in France either. No. um Others claim they believe the victim had agreed to be drugged, because we're all up for that. Yeah.
00:34:23
Speaker
When the police showed Giselle some of the photographs they saw, they sorry, they say her husband had carefully classified and stored, she expressed deep shock and said that her husband her and her husband had been together since they were 18 and described him to police as caring and considerate. She had no memory of being raped by him or the other men, only of whom only one of whom she recognised, sorry, she told the police, who was a neighbour in town.
00:34:54
Speaker
So yeah, she wanted the trial to be held in public in order to raise awareness and um granted permission for her photo and name to be used. which I think is incredibly brave. um you know Here in the States, we have laws that kind of protect victims of certain crimes, like their names
Women's Safety & Societal Issues
00:35:18
Speaker
are not referenced in court documents and and stuff like that because of, you know and I think that's important. I think that, but I also think what it has done is it's protected the abusers too um and the rapists and all of that because
00:35:35
Speaker
you know if it Even goes even if it if it gets reported and goes to charges, um just like it's not as widely publicized because of the shame. I mean, victims get blamed. We know that. and I think it also kind of has a quieting effect on people talking about that to kind of make it less about victims and more about perpetrators.
00:35:56
Speaker
and so you know gisel fucking Bravo on basically not only being willing to kind of put yourself out there like that, but to expose literally all of these men too, yeah who have done this to you and let like let the world and their friends and family see their fucking faces. Just imagine as well being married to a man for what, 50 years, 52 years.
00:36:28
Speaker
And in your eyes, he seems like a great husband, great dad, you know. And then to find out he's been doing that, like what the actual fuck um she felt when she found that out. Well, and I imagine that she probably had some not suspicions of that, but like being drugged and then waking up. like That in and of itself probably you feel a little bit funky, right? But maybe there was some sort of like she had a med that made her drowsy. I don't know. um But then also, I'm sorry. like
00:37:02
Speaker
You can tell when you've had intercourse, right like there're you like there you especially if it's like a lot or particularly rough. like There's trauma. That's why when like rape kits are done, they look for trauma um and bruising and stuff. and I imagine she probably couldn't even figure, like she was probably just like, what the fuck is wrong with me? You know? for Because like, why would you, mo my husband must be, yeah, my husband must be drugging me and inviting tens upon twenty <unk>enties of ten s upon tens of men to rape me while I'm unconscious. Like no one would think that, right? That's not your go-to. like No. It's so fucked up. It is really fucked up. And it's like, I remember seeing that and being like,
00:37:53
Speaker
it it you know People cover, right? like Talking about how he seems like this really loving, caring man and like they have kids who I'm sure are probably shocked too and these men in the community who took part in it. like People can cover, right? like in Or you know good people do horrific things to each other sort of thing. um Yeah, it just goes to show you that like just because you know someone in a particular light doesn't mean they don't do horrible things to someone else or haven't, right? And it also just shows you that you never really know someone, do you? Yeah. Yep. and I was listening to a podcast earlier, actually, and it was a behavioral studies and evolution scientist. And he was saying that the most dangerous thing for a woman is her husband. Yeah. Because most
00:38:46
Speaker
female homicides are by the partner on this one. There's a reason why usually the husband or the partner is the first suspect, right? um But i also it's just like but men are lethal to women in general. I can't remember what I was watching, but it was just kind of the same old conversation about how we can't walk to our cars alone at night. We got to put our keys between our fingers. We got to go in pairs, you know that sort of thing. We got to share our location when we go in first dates with people.
00:39:19
Speaker
um It's dangerous to be a woman. yeah and it you know If you have people who care about you, and like if you're a white woman, then like at least the police will maybe put more effort into investigating things. Think about you know the all the times women of color and women in the LGBTQIA plus communities that get discounted or not believed or blamed in some way. and like You know, I think when we talk to our friends about our tales of our own sexual assault experiences, they're people we know that we also are like, well, that that was a friend of mine, you know? Yeah.
00:39:59
Speaker
shit out there ladies and um men. What's up? yeah Men are so ah violent. Yeah. like We need more men to do more to like call out men and then like women need to... ah It's hard, right? like I think believe women, right? Believe victims, but I also know that there are ah outlier cases where, you know, maybe there's someone wrongfully accused and all of that. But I think like that's such a small percentage.
Roommate Conflict & OCD Challenges
00:40:29
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's not an easy thing. or It wouldn't be something a woman would want to do willingly. lying Yeah, all the flack they face just by accusing someone, you know, like think about the Jean Carroll who
00:40:47
Speaker
years later sued Trump about what happened and like, well, I'm sure she probably got a death threat or two. Yeah, I bet she fucking did. Yeah. Cool. Love this world. Yay. Yay.
00:41:06
Speaker
Well, should we end on a lighter note or should we end on a worse note? I've got a quick am I the asshole for you. Ooh, let's hear it baby. Okay, baby. Okay.
00:41:22
Speaker
Am I the asshole? Roommate wants me to use the terrible downstairs bathroom because of her OCD. I, male 22, moved back to school this week. ah Three new roommates moved into my house, so it's three guys and two girls. so One of the new girls, Lara, who's 20, expects the three guys to all use the crappy downstairs bathroom all the time because she doesn't want our germs in the upstairs one. I learned this when I took a shower upstairs like I've always done for the year I've been living here, and the other girl, Stevie,
00:41:56
Speaker
and A couple of hours later told me that Lara asked her to tell me to only use the downstairs bathroom. She couldn't even do it herself. i sorry Which is the coldest room in the house, has no fan so it gets extremely wet every time someone showers.
00:42:13
Speaker
um and is connected to my roommate's room so you can hear everything both ways. so Last year, everyone showered upstairs because it's a really nice bathroom. Apparently, Lara was sitting crisscross applesauce in her room bawling her eyes out because I used the upstairs bathroom. Jesus Christ.
00:42:31
Speaker
when i was looking for roommates she never told me anything about this i hate making girls cry but of course there's i said no because that's ridiculous but now her and her boyfriend are like mad at me lol what should i do am i the asrs Oh boy. I... do think that that demand is excessive. And I understand that she might have some mental health needs. um But that's why you either be transparent about them and what you need. And if it's not a good fit, if they can't accommodate that, then you have to find a place that would like maybe her name's Laura or Laura.
00:43:14
Speaker
Maybe she needs to live on her own or maybe she needed the room connected to the bathroom and then that could be her bathroom. I was going to say she should use that bathroom on her own. That's what I was going to suggest too, but then it's connected to someone's bedroom. So like I get, maybe they weren't going to move out because they had been living there already, but like you find a place with an ensuite that can just be your bathroom then if that's yeah you, but if you're a germaphobe or have OCD diagnosed or not, a part of me thinks that maybe this, this could just be, um,
00:43:44
Speaker
maybe someone's proclivity or preference rather than a legitimate issue, but I don't know. but's Let's assume it is. um I mean, if you're in a shared house. It'd be hard to live with people with that. Yeah, but you should also expect to share the bathroom. Yeah. Unless everyone has an ensuite, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:05
Speaker
I guess that I would be looking for that or living on my own if I were her and had those needs. Like I just, cause I wouldn't expect other people to basically have to change their lives for my needs, right? Unless like you were trans and it's like, oh, we can make this work. Like we'll figure it out. But she didn't talk about it. No, she didn't tell him before he showered. So how was that? No, before they even, before she even moved in.
00:44:32
Speaker
So, and then I like that she had someone else tell him too. Like I just also, that makes me think it's not so much about a diagnosed real need that she is trying to accommodate herself and then also have to like live with. I think it's a girl who probably isn't used to living with people and thinks boys are gross and doesn't want to share space with them. So don't live with them then. Yeah.
00:44:58
Speaker
So no, not the asshole. it's really That's really unfortunate, particularly since they've been living there and she came in and is the new person in the home and is like, well, we're doing the same thing we've always done. Yeah, shower in that bathroom. Yeah.
00:45:13
Speaker
so Top comments are, sounds like Lara needs to pack her shit and find a new place. Yeah, I mean. Next comment. I'd be a little more sensitive about it, but yeah, pretty much. ah Next comment is, if the bath but yeah so littlela yeah ah hu ber if the bathroom in her bedroom and this was established at move-in and she paid her rent accordingly, then I would understand.
00:45:39
Speaker
but it doesn't seem like any of this fits here. She needs to find a place that has her own bathroom if it's that bad. um Next person said, facts. Lara's expectations are unreasonable and inconsiderate and OP is not responsible for managing Lara's OCD. Mm-mm. No. Agreed. Yeah. Sorry, Lara. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. You know, I've lived in shared houses and... Me too. The men can be.
00:46:08
Speaker
gross in the bathroom, leaving wee wee all over the floor and seat and poo spatters everywhere and stuff like that. But it's just kind of part of the deal. So if you don't like that shit, then get somewhere with an ensuite or find your own place.
Episode Conclusion & Listener Engagement
00:46:23
Speaker
Sorry, Laura. Yeah, I lived in my sophomore year of college. I lived with three guys and one other girl.
00:46:29
Speaker
The girl I knew, we went to high school together and we were friends, but the three guys, like I don't remember how we got introduced to them, but we ended up living with them and it had two bathrooms. One that was pretty close to my friend and I's space, but there was also one of the guys on that end of the hall, and then one on the other end of the hall.
00:46:45
Speaker
where the three other rooms were. And primarily, the one closest to my friend and I, um we use that one. ah But like if someone needed to use the restroom and the other one was occupied, I wasn't going to be like, you can't use that. um Unfortunately, these guys were. I mean, we all contributed to mess, but like it was and not always the cleanest place. I got pretty sure I got sick a lot from maybe it being gross there. and like you some somehow the lock got broken and so like and these guys thought it would be really funny to like open the door when we were showering so we had to like Jimmy rig this shoelace tied to the towel bar tied to the doorknob to function as a lock when we showered so that they like it was so fucked up
00:47:31
Speaker
they wouldnt open the door from the shower. yeah Well, that's the thing is it wasn't even that they just thought it was funny. They would like walk by and open it and keep walking. That's not like they actually looked at us. So I was also just like, is it? I don't know. I mean, I tried to take it in stride, but in hindsight, I was like, it's pretty fucked up. And one of our roommates would often get drunk and then vomit in our bathtub. Oh, no, it's not even the toilet.
00:47:58
Speaker
No. Yeah, so that was a fun life. That was a fun year, right, Kim? I know she listens sometimes and is probably reflecting back on that with shock. Yes, I imagine she is. That's gross. Yeah. Well, not the asshole, but generally men can be, in this instance, not. um And, you know,
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