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PODPOD Season Wrap, Awards, and 2024 Buzz Calls | #PODPOD
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The AFL Fantasy season is over and we've arrived fashionably late to wrap up the season here on the PODPOD!
The lads discuss the GOATS and WOATS of season 2023, their Ben Keays Shorts 'Sh*&test Trade of the Season', and forecast the picks for 2024 that will leave you Lightyears ahead of the competition.
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Transcript
00:00:03
Speaker
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Introduction & Season Finale
00:00:17
Speaker
G'day and welcome to the Pod Pod. It's ya boi Dossi talking all things AFL fantasy for one last time this season on this Monday night, September 4th, 2023. And yes, look, you might notice we are a week late. I just couldn't bring myself to release the show last week. Scores were still being tallied. We still weren't 100% certain who the winners were.
00:00:46
Speaker
But as I bring the guys in now on this sad day, much like Ben Keys and the Crows this year, I've been robbed. I will concede defeat. The Lux was not mine from the start. But lads, Louis, look, as we reflect on the season in this podcast, it is a shame that I couldn't get there.
00:01:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's a bit of a surprise, really.
The Agony of Near Wins
00:01:07
Speaker
I thought you might have had it in the bag early on this season, pre-round one, and then riding quickly was on the wall. And maybe post-fires, I thought you might have a late charge, but it wasn't to be, unfortunately, mate.
00:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, look, thinking that there would have been some late adjustments, I just had my AFL-W fantasy score revoked on the weekend, and I went back about 3,000 spots after a bit of an adjustment. I thought maybe the opposite might happen on the AFL men, so I just had to make sure.
Celebrating the Winner
00:01:41
Speaker
But look, Homsey, as we congratulate a new winner and the new face of fantasy for the next 12 months, Darren, what words have you got for the great man who's got the dubs?
00:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, I can't ever say I've gone that high, Dossie, but I'm sure he's pretty happy with himself at the moment. And as all things go, I'm sure we'll be listening to his podcast next year, because isn't that what happens? You have to start a podcast when you finish up the ranks. Well, that's what you did, mate. So everyone on this show just about. So, yep, that's the trajectory. Good luck, Darren, with your new podcast next year. And Hami, another man that's jumped on a pod after doing well. How are you, mate? And what's the week off fantasy been like for you?
00:02:23
Speaker
Oh, I'm going pretty well, thanks Buzz. Yeah, it's a bit funny getting to Friday night and then not having a game to flick on. I was a bit disappointed, but now look busy, busy sort of weekend and that, but caught a couple of snippets of the AFLW, but yeah, it was a bit disappointing. Actually, I went to Melbourne too on Sunday and I looked at the schedule about two months ago, realizing that there was no footy on in Melbourne. So that was a show.
00:02:50
Speaker
Unreal.
2023 Season Recap Plans
00:02:51
Speaker
Great work there, Hami. But no, look, we will do a little recap here of the season. It's been obviously a fantastic season. Thanks for sticking with us. And there's probably only a few of you left listening at the moment. But we're here to recap a bit of the season 2023. We will just do a very brief recap of the final round.
00:03:09
Speaker
and get you our final ranks for the season. And then we're going to go through a couple of pod pod awards style and then get into some questions from the listeners just to finish off the year in a bit of style. But yes, no statesman on this show today. I think he's enjoying a couple of froffees over in Bali. So all the best to the state-o on his holidays and we wish him all the best.
00:03:33
Speaker
I'll first head over to you, Louie, and let's just recap, rewind a couple of weeks now and we go back to round 24. What was your score there and let's hear your final rank for the season. Yeah, so I think I might have had my highest score for the season in round 24. I notched up at 2605, which was nice to see. Huge score to finish. That's monstrous.
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, so that might have brought my rank in a bit. I'm not sure what it came in from, but into 1655, which is, of course, outside the top 1000. But I did that fantasy wrapped. There's a link floating around on Twitter and it just sort of highlights all your fantasy trades and sort of what happened throughout the year, a little bit like your Spotify wrapped. And I finished in the top one percent. So I might move the goalposts and just go with that next year.
00:04:28
Speaker
Love that. Yeah, I forgot to do that, that AFL fantasy wrapped. I tried a couple of times on MiMobile, but it seems to be more effective on desktop. If you haven't done that, definitely jump on board. It's a cool way. Like you said, Spotify wrapped style of your fantasy season. Holmesy, let's give a bit of a wrapped for you and your little last round recap and where'd you finish on the season?
Final Scores & Reflections
00:04:50
Speaker
Yeah, so I had a 24-1-3 to finish. Most years, most rounds, I'd actually be pretty happy with that, but seeing how Lou went the last round and there was coaches even further ahead of him, I think there was a few scores in the 2700s, just highlights just how far off the pace I was this year. So I ended up 7-2-5-3, which is pretty shocking by my standards, but
00:05:14
Speaker
Yeah, it just is what it is. Wasn't my year and looking forward to wrapping up and building next year. It's exciting. But you can enjoy your off-season with a cutler froffees, Holmsey.
00:05:26
Speaker
Oh, that's right. I should go grab one from the fridge, actually. They're sitting there ready to go. Dossie, those tun mids, thanks. The van driver tried to drop them off at the house next door, but I was having none of that. I said, get them over here. So I've got these wines for you. I was like, mate, they're not wines. They're beautiful. That's an embarrassing knock at the door if you're letting a neighbor know that you've got some tun mids there for you.
00:05:51
Speaker
I think I just leave that. So you what though, those beautiful yellow cans. If you didn't see that, we tweeted it out. Holmes, you're getting a nice little delivery there for, of course, a bit of a bet. Go on Australia earlier in the year, but I do hope those beautiful tasting beers are going down a treat, mate. Hami, let's hear your final round for the season and where you ended up. Just to round out the quartet of under-performance for the year. My final score, 2496.
00:06:19
Speaker
with an overall rank of three, six, four, seven. So yeah, there's a couple of things didn't go according to plan in the last round, but yeah, and Louie beat me overall rank. So that was disappointing. And yeah, Dossie can't pick us up in the Lux for the pre-season trip too. So that was a bit of a shame.
00:06:39
Speaker
I know. Just an all-round disappointing vibe we've got going on at the moment and I'll finish it off with just as bad a vibe. 22.99 in round 24 so that was Lou popping in 300 points to me.
00:06:54
Speaker
That's my score. How many hundred did you put on? That's an average of a hundred each, Dossy boy. He's just, just disgraceful. I do remember heading into the final round I had, I think it was four people go out. So I had Jeremy Cameron, who was out, Baz Lenka Smith, who was a shock and trading and he went out. LDU was still in my team.
00:07:15
Speaker
And then somebody else, I think it was four players that I had go out. So yeah, it was a great way to end the year. And of course, as I said, um, didn't quite get the highlights this year, but that score, that massive score in round 24 brought me out to a 21,025 rank. So still not convinced. I haven't got the, uh, the shadow band there because I did get pushed outside the top 20 K to finish off the new age algorithm.
00:07:44
Speaker
It just decided to play with you a little bit, give you a little bit of hope just to take it away from you in the final round. I genuinely think that's my worst finish in like five years as well. After having the biggest claims of my fantasy career, I've had just about the worst in the last decade, I think, of fantasy performing. I do think the competition has just gone up such a big level this year, but no excuses for 20K. Sorry, boys.
00:08:08
Speaker
onwards and upwards in 2024. But before we sort of get into our little recaps, I wanted to give a quick congratulations to the Pod Pod listener league champion.
Champion Announcements
00:08:21
Speaker
So if we want to rewind at the very beginning of the season, our listener league, we did a little bit differently this year.
00:08:27
Speaker
I'm each of the hosts at the time so how he was kinda one foot in at that time so he only got the one team i believe it was mostly it was me homesy and louis that got to draft a team with with them as i said how me having one team representing. We drafted listeners based on reviews in the apple podcast system.
00:08:48
Speaker
and drafted him into our squad to represent us and we've been updated across the season and i'm pleased to announce the pod pod listener league champion was jared's war machine team homsie so representing team homsie homsie is the
00:09:05
Speaker
Technically the listener league champion as well with his with Jared's team their warm O'Shean Defeating the nay cossians who were representing Louie now I'll hand to the losing coach first Louie any thoughts on this devastating defeat
00:09:21
Speaker
I am pretty flat because I think I had four or five teams in the finals and they've all fallen over to team Holmsey there, but well done to all the coaches I drafted. I'm not sure what the Twitter user was that was tracking it throughout the year, Dossie, but did a wonderful job.
00:09:41
Speaker
was following it. That was for us. Yeah. Cheers to Maddie Stirling for giving us that update. Yeah. Every week. And we re-tweeted that. That was something that we forgot to do was actually be on the league so we could keep an update of it. So Maddie covered us there. Thanks, mate. Now, well done to all those coaches. Good fun and keen to do it next year. Unlucky to the Nacossians. I really like that team name too. But come again next year. I might draft you again.
00:10:06
Speaker
Now of course, handing over to the winning coach, he of course knows that it is his job to provide his team with a prize to finish off the year. So maybe bundle up a four or six pack of those Tom Middies and send them over to Jared.
00:10:21
Speaker
Nah, Dossie boy, but yeah, I'll arrange it right now. So get in contact with Dossie through the Pod Pod Twitter handle or X handle. And I think that all of us boys here will shout you a carton of tonmids. We'll get them across. It's only fitting. It's a great drop. Thoroughly enjoying it.
00:10:38
Speaker
Jesus, all right. Well, if he does get in touch, we'll see what we can do. I might just have to have to get that done. Onto the Pod Pod Challenge though, because Stado had been updating us across the season on the Pod Pod Challenge as well. That was our open league that we had across the season. Now, Stado had called the Pod Pod Challenge, Pod Pod Challenge in brackets, we can all beat DOS with a clear goal for all our listeners there.
00:11:03
Speaker
But look, it was a fantastic year. There was 961 users total in that group and we had 28 people finish inside the top 100. So 28 hats in the Pod Pod Challenge, an unbelievable effort from everyone in that cruise. We just congratulate everyone there.
00:11:26
Speaker
another four finished inside the top 115 we had someone just miss out on the 102 as well so couldn't even get the lucky 101 mug there but awesome work from everyone so the winner of the pod pod challenge ended up being Michael and his team no Haynes no gain he ended up sixth overall as well
00:11:47
Speaker
So, unbelievable effort, Michael. The runner-up of the Pod Pod Challenge was Bindi's Blues. That was Matt. So, number eight. And then third overall, who was leading a lot of the way as well, was Jonno. Was love at first, Lance. Ended up finishing 11th overall and got the bronze medal in the Pod Pod Challenge as well. So, well done to everyone there. Just an unbelievable effort, Hami. Want to give a shout out to all the Pod Pod Challenge?
00:12:12
Speaker
Absolutely. And also the man that took him out, Michael, had a few messages with him and I helped him slip from fifth to sixth in the last round there. So congratulations.
00:12:24
Speaker
Yes. Did everyone beat us though? That's what everyone wants to know. 101 people did not. 101 people did not beat me. And I wanted to give a shout out. We give a shout out to the top end. How about the wooden spoon winner of the pod pod challenge, Steve and his team, Maddie Neil, finishing 145,530 second overall. So we also want to give a big shout out to Steve there. Yeah. I also, I think we'll just move on now and our biggest,
00:12:54
Speaker
biggest thing that we're going to kick off the show with is our goat and quote for the season.
Season Highlights & Lowlights
00:13:00
Speaker
So the greatest of all time and the worst of all time for the season, just a bit of an award, recapping the best players that we've had in the worst of the season. And we'll start with our positive and our goat for season 2023.
00:13:23
Speaker
Homezy, you want to take it away, mate, with your GOAT first season 2023?
00:13:28
Speaker
Yeah, mine's a bit of a low-hanging fruit, but starting Bontempelli, I know there was a lot of coaches that did, but I felt like I was pretty high on him in the pre-season. I was one of the ones advocating for him at the time. There was a bit of a narrative saying that, you know, he's good, but he hasn't really had that year where he's put it all together and gone really big. And he did that this year. So averaging 118 being the highest, averaging mid from, I think, a 103 price point. He was a very good player to pick in my starting squad and very happy, as I know Hami was too.
00:13:58
Speaker
No, it didn't happen actually to start, so I'm not.
00:14:04
Speaker
Who was your goat then, Hami? The goats. The goat for my team. Sorry, Dospy. Jaden Hunt. Would you believe that? No. In the pre-season, when I'm looking at all the players, would you have picked that Jaden Hunt would be my goat for the year? In the period that I owned him, he averaged 80. And that was from rounds four through to rounds 13. So it was only when he put up a
00:14:31
Speaker
A 37 that I thought his time was definitely done for me. So it's the sort of classic mid price that you really want to get. I bought him at 50 or just under 50 and he's averaged 80 for me. So 30 points above his price, which is excellent. Yeah. Imagine how I was feeling, Hami. Imagine how I was feeling when I started him around one and he popped a 44. Just stay with him.
00:14:59
Speaker
I did. I did. Well, what could have been had there been another man stay in the team a little bit longer, we could have seen a bit more of a battle there, I think. But no, Hunt, I think he, I saw he finished like top five in the, the WEG was BNF. Yes, granted, not a tough year to do so, but still a great year from Jayden Hunt. Louis, GOAT for the year.
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to give mine to Jordan Dawson, who has been an absolute jet all season, but probably wasn't the most popular starting pick with Dockety Stewart and Sicily already down there. And at that point was sort of rumoured to go into the midfield, but was still very much a bit of a half back flanker winger, but moved straight in round one and hit the ground running. It's been fantastic pretty much all year.
00:15:47
Speaker
think he played every single game and has been a captain option throughout. So got to give it to Jordan Dawson. I think he presented a bit of value to start the season as well, certainly compared to what he did do in the end. So, yeah, well done to Jordan Dawson.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, my goat also a starting pick that I had and Errol Goulden, just what a season it ended up being for Errol Goulden. To be honest, I was going to give him the goat, but I'm going to rescind that after what deserves to still be goat status for a certain man on this show. Now, yes, he didn't get the lucks, but a final week.
00:16:26
Speaker
of advice proved that he still got it in him and if we if you guys just want to right now pause this show go back to the final show heading into round 24 and rewind to what this man said on the show last week so I think we just mentioned a few of the final hat winners there but one man I think he finished 16th in the end was Tenz Titans now Tenz if you're listening mate just think back to that last week and the advice that Dossie gave you
00:16:55
Speaker
I said to bring in Sam Flanders and Taylor Walker and pop the C on Taylor Walker in the final round. That was 300 points from yours truly. I'm going to give myself the goat for that great call from last week. So that was obviously your trades too then, Dos? No, I didn't do them. Hey, I just wanted to make a comment. The true goat, the fantasy goat for the season is actually Harry Cecil. I can't believe that none of us gave it to him, hey?
00:17:25
Speaker
Yeah. Don't have him, unfortunately. But yeah, for all the reasons that you said with Jaden Hunt earning all that cash for you as a starting pick, she's it was phenomenal.
00:17:36
Speaker
I was like, he must've been traded in and out of so many teams and just ended up being the ultimate hold all season, kind of just kept thinking it was going to fall away and kept the roll. What do you reckon next year, Holmes? Is he going to be still in that cushy role though next year at half back? He's probably more of a risky starting pick now that his role is probably up in the air. There's no Zebel, there's no Hall.
00:18:00
Speaker
Yeah, you're going to look at it clearly. There'll be a lot of talk in pre-season, but the narrative throughout the whole year has been that they eventually want him to have him as a mid-forward and he's not going to have as good a role as mid-forward. It'd be pretty hard to start at 98, but...
00:18:14
Speaker
We know that the players generally can go bigger in their second and third years so he's going to be a fantasy star in the future and no doubt he'll be featuring at some point sooner rather than later for us again.
00:18:36
Speaker
Geez, talk about another potential goat before injury was Nick Daikos. I mean, he went, yeah, plus, what, plus 20 odd on his price as well. Unbelievable stuff. A lot of good players to talk about. Let's talk about some of the bad ones and our vote for the season. Worst player ever. Back to you. I reckon we started with Holmes here. Let's go to you, man.
00:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, Dossie Boyan, I can't fully blame you because I do press the buttons and I make the trades but bringing in Braden Fioreni for his wing roll in the middle of the season, having my 30th birthday ruined. Didn't have to go there.
00:19:19
Speaker
having my 30th birthday ruined for logging into the app when I was half cut and seeing that Feorini put up 30 and Rory Atkins put up 32 in the same game was uh but that song that you wrote that was stuck in my head for about three weeks uh yeah brain Feorini never never again for me I don't care but yeah that was that kind of derailed some some good movement I had moving into the buys
00:19:42
Speaker
hmm tough tough stuff but he didn't get the roll once again was popped out onto a wing so not really his fault there home's a bit harsh or harsh by you but Louie yeah but I'm a I'm one that I like the consistency of the role and he just doesn't have it so that was bad by me fair enough fair enough uh Lou won't for the year
00:20:00
Speaker
It's got to be for me, Josh Kelly. This guy probably could have gotten my vote for the last three years for one reason or another. And this year I started him. He looked like a great pick, got injured, ended up bringing him back when he looked like he was in some form. The role changed.
00:20:19
Speaker
Yeah just it was a little bit of a roller coaster and I think I think I'm finally done with him although he will be cheap next year so we'll see. You are starting him 100% Louie. I know it's terrible isn't it.
00:20:33
Speaker
It's always one of those guys like, he is never again for me. I've just gone there way too many times. It's like one season we rest our hat on with Kelly with like 115 average off 15 games or something. You still miss games that year. So, stuff him. Not again for me. Harmony, Wote for the year. Wote is definitely Jack McRae.
00:20:55
Speaker
He just did everything that you didn't want him to do. Like, he started at priced at 916,000, so it was well over 100. He dropped $222,000 for the year. I held him for 23 rounds. He finished off with two terrible scores. I could have traded him out so many times, but he just, you know, flirted with a few, you know, one off high scores just to show us what he could do, but didn't have the role.
00:21:22
Speaker
I said I think last week that I was tossing up between Bont and McRae 670 point difference if I had started Bont instead. So yeah, it is definitely my vote. I'm surprised you didn't go there too homesy.
00:21:41
Speaker
I saw Dossi had him on the run sheet and I knew you'd go there as well. But yeah, I think you summed it up. He had the perfect season in terms of there was either a good matchup coming up or he had a decent run of form and he's just always something that just meant he held on for one more week.
00:21:58
Speaker
And then yeah, just ended up trading him out after two back-to-back 40s and 50s. So yeah, I completely agree, Hami. Watching it, every time I watched him, I knew the role wasn't there. I knew he was just out of form and he just wasn't gonna do it, but he just held on and it was just so frustrating.
00:22:15
Speaker
No, no, I actually realized I've got another one I can put in here and way more relevant. I totally forgot I even had this guy to be honest. So looking back at my round one team, this is a guy that I picked over Caleb Sarong. It was a complete coin toss at the start of the year between one or the other.
00:22:35
Speaker
Will Brody, five games total that he played for the season and it's more of a Justin Longmuir, a bit annoyed at him for doing what he did to the great man but look comes out the gates a 76 points I needed him to really fight early he gets a 60 against North barely plays 64% time on ground dropped
00:22:56
Speaker
plays a couple more games, but he was straight out of my sight. He finished the year 180k down. He certainly, I guess, one to watch heading into next year, if Longmuir has any sort of role for him, but I just don't. He won't be cheap, Dossie. He'll be priced off his, his 2022 average, which was higher. So he won't actually be that cheap and you wouldn't touch it. I think he's one of those players that the,
00:23:22
Speaker
The games kind of move past if you don't get it on the inside, he's useless on the outside. Hey, I was there with you, Dossie. My only saving grace for the season was I won my draft comp. But I think my third pick was actually Will Brody, and I held him the entire year. I only dropped him on the last day to get a red dot to loop. Take the loop.
00:23:41
Speaker
I also had him in my league. Can't say one though, unfortunately, did exactly the same thing. You just hold him all year because in the waffle he's just dominating. Just one of those guys, like another Charlie Constable type, I guess that just obviously clearly coaches don't think they're, it's probably the speed factor. Like you said, Honzi, I think that they just don't have the fitness or the speed that is required at the current state of the AFL, which is obviously that fast ball movement era.
00:24:10
Speaker
Okay, that's our Wotes and Goats. Now, the thing I want to get to next is the Ben Keyes Shorts Shittest Trade of the Year. Now, I'll throw to you, Holmesy, again. So, obviously, our Wote is sort of a player that, you know, underperformed across the entire season. But what was your worst moment for the season, your shittest trade?
00:24:36
Speaker
Yep and mine is well documented and to be honest there was merit at the time but I didn't expect it to backfire the way that it did and it was only until round 24 that I actually had the opportunity to rectify my mistake but I traded out Errol Goulden in round 6
00:24:52
Speaker
and I traded him to Brad Crouch. So at the time, Gouldham was only averaging 90 and I thought I'd just try and be a little bit different and go to a Brad Crouch who was flying. There was no Jack Stealing. For a couple of weeks, it went really well. Crouch put up some monster scores and Errol just kept doing what he was doing and then it flipped. And I think from round eight onwards, I think Errol averaged 120 and was close to the highest averaging player in the comp and he's ended up being the
00:25:20
Speaker
the highest averaging forward and then Crouch, I think put up three seventies in a month span and it allowed everyone to get him super cheap. And he was in our sides for the rest of the year. So that was clearly, clearly my worst trade. Like I said, merit at the time, I didn't think it would go that badly against me, but in hindsight, just horrendous.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's a rough, rough, tough pill to swallow there. Um, Holmsey getting out of Goulden. Do you think, can I just ask while, while we're here, Goulden is here, is he a starting option for you, Holmsey, next year? Obviously he's, he's going to be highly priced, but looking ahead to 2024, as we do immediately when 2023 is finished, could you go there knowing how much it hurt you this year?
00:26:04
Speaker
Well to be honest mate, the scary thing is that we see players really build over their first three years and then we see that big jump in that year four and year five like we saw with Sorong this year, like we saw with Brayshore the year before that. So in theory, he should have another level to go to. It would not surprise me if he has a year.
00:26:23
Speaker
where he puts up a 120 plus average. He has the ultimate fantasy game. He works as hard as anyone. This year we saw multiple games where he had 94, 95% time on ground as an inside mid and a winger. I'm not sure I could go there at a 113 price tag to start being a mid only. That's not how I really play the game, but yeah, far out. He was as hard a player to watch this year, not only.
00:26:48
Speaker
Hey, Lou, did you put a post on X about like the amount of players that, um, like averaged, like came in priced over age one 10 or more. And whether they went up in price, was that you was, wasn't it? Yeah, it was me. I think it was, um, of the top 20, uh, highest price players, uh, to begin the season only two or it might've been three actually excelled on that. So it's a pretty bad strike rate.
00:27:18
Speaker
That is something to think about, although I think what you're saying, Holmes, is well, all the combined factors of his game mixed with the fact that he was number one on our observable thirst list a couple of weeks ago, the power rankings probably does hold him in good stead to back that up.
00:27:35
Speaker
More attention comes though, he's 21, he's just got his maiden all Australian. There might have been a little bit of attention on Chad Warner from the year previous and of course Luke Parker who was in good form the year previous too. So I reckon he might be circled for next year but at the same time with a ceiling like that he could easily put up 110 plus numbers all over again. Lou, who was your Ben Key Shorts shit for Trade of the Year?
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah, so I've sort of looked at the logic on mine. And this one was just fundamental mess up really. So I think after my round one trades or round two trades, I didn't have much to do. And I made that classic mistake where I thought I'd get cute and fix up a red dot.
00:28:22
Speaker
in Campbell Chesa because a lot of the competition had him and I thought this might be an opportunity to to find 100 200 K on the rest of the competition and get some earlier upgrades and up taking him down to Brody Ulland who think he scored about a 40 and then he was dropped the following week never to return only for Chesa to come back a couple of weeks later. So what
00:28:46
Speaker
Thought was a clever move in hindsight was probably quite silly and just didn't improve my team on field and Despite maybe if it worked out getting that extra cash even in hindsight I think I would have been better off finding points on field at that early stage. So that's mine Yeah, the age old trade that one I reckon done a few times out in my career as well Harmee you might take us through
00:29:15
Speaker
Well, I thought it was going to be a sheasel to Lloyd, which was round 13, 14. That's a close second for me as well, Hami. But I thought, well, my season was wrecked before that point. So I went back through the archives and digging up some bad memories and had a look at my trades. I think it is round two. Tom Stewart got injured on 14. Chocca, round one, got knocked out. So then I went to Hayden Young, who killed it in round one.
00:29:43
Speaker
I only heard him for two weeks. He averaged 66 for me. He had a season average of 89. But I wanted to go to Wheel Day the whole time. So the next week, I brought in Wheel Day. And then the next week, I brought in back in Tom Stewart. So in all of that mixture of terribleness in my back line, I think I just stuffed a whole number of trades early on in the season. Just on that Tom Stewart move, Hami, because I was with you as well.
00:30:11
Speaker
It wasn't as bad as we copped that 14 in round one, that knee injury. So he's averaged 96.8 for the year from 22 games. You take out that 14 that he got injured in round one, he actually averaged over 100 and he's a top six defender. So, you know, copped a lot earlier on in the season about why we started Tom Stewart, all this and all that, but he was not a bad pick. Just the unfortunate injury really derailed us early.
00:30:41
Speaker
I guess that's over to old Dossie now and I think my my shittest trade of the year, which is completely well-documented too, as you've mentioned, Hosie before, yours one was, but in round four, Sam Docherty went down with injury. I think he only ended up missing a couple of weeks too, wasn't it? Because he played 20 games of the year. So round four, went down, came back in round seven and was beast, but
00:31:08
Speaker
Instead of going to the clear, clear obvious choice of Jordan Dawson at the time who was flying but had still- Who's your boy as well, Dossie? Who's my boy? You wanted him as an inside mid, you've just been talking the whole time about how much you love him.
00:31:25
Speaker
And yet, I didn't pick him. I didn't go the obvious straight swap, which was docketed Dawson. No, this was when my season took a turn and I went for Jack Bowes and Trent Rivers to spread that cash. The next week Bowes scored 49 and Trent Rivers scored 78 and then I had to hold Rivers for another bloody
00:31:48
Speaker
eight, 10 rounds or more. I can't remember how long it was, but, uh, and then of course, Jack Bose was pretty useless as well. And then got injured on a 10 two weeks later, injured on field on a 10 two weeks later. So, uh, clearly my worst trade of the season by a country mile. There's a bunch of other great terrible trades as well that I did, um, throughout the year, including a lot of people would have been on the same boat as me.
00:32:14
Speaker
Callum Mills who also at least I got a ton out of him. I will say that I got 110 in round eight and then the next week he scored a three for me. So, um, at least got the 110 but yeah, Callum Mills was in there as well. But yeah, the, the docketed of rivers and bows is one of my all time worst trades. I think Louise just got a question for that. Did you bring bows in again later in the season?
00:32:47
Speaker
He will be. He will be. But no, I did go back to the well, yes. And in fact, in round 24, he scored me an 88, but I didn't have him on field as well. I had him try to loop him on. Oh, god. Oh, another bad trade. Sorry. I could just go on. But Bailey Smith, I brought him in after his ton. He toned up late in the season. I brought him in. He scored 114 against Essendon.
00:33:06
Speaker
back to the well.
00:33:13
Speaker
brought him in and from round 20 he went 69, 68, 64, 84 so and then was out round 24 so that was great as well. They did the same thing last year. Yeah just quiet and now looking for a trade as well by the looks or seemingly. Okay on to our next segment which is the buzz light years ahead call for 2024.
2024 Predictions
00:33:37
Speaker
To infinity.
00:33:46
Speaker
Start with you, Louie.
00:33:48
Speaker
What was your Buzz Light year called for 2024? Who do you reckon will pop or what do you think is going to happen next year? Yeah, I've got Tom Green as the highest fantasy scorer, certainly in the midfield next year. I just don't think there's a lot of 22 year olds that can pop a 170. I think there's some scores in his year this year that you could make a case could have been higher. Of course, you can make the case the other way, too. But like I said, there's scope for improvement. This was
00:34:18
Speaker
Real sort of breakout year and when he did come back from injury after a few weeks off We hit the ground running again with a 140 and then a couple of 120 so if he can keep that up next year as the Giants build and Potentially look like pushing for you know top sport top four spot With their improvement in this season I think Tom Green can be a massive part of that and a little bit like Clayton Oliver how he started the season could be a captain option for us early and
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah. Lock for me at the moment. I'm a hundred percent nevermind. Nevermind. Uh, bought that one. God damn it. All right, fine. I'm Z take it away, mate.
00:35:02
Speaker
Yeah, mine's a bit different. I'm just going to go out on the record, and I can't wait for this to blow up in my face, but I don't think Jack Steele's going to be the underpriced midfielder that we want him to be next season. You know, he had a lot of injuries this year. Clearly he was playing hampered there towards the end, but
00:35:19
Speaker
I think this St Kilda list is going to have a bit of a turnover. They're going to start to maybe promote a bit of youth. And with the way the game's changing, I think they might use him in a few different roles here and there. And I think that might limit his ceiling a little bit. So I'm not sure there's going to be heaps of value on his 98 price tag or whatever he's at. And he's going to probably trick a few of us next year in preseason because we've got this idea of what Jack Steele has done in the past. He's been a gun for us, but I'm not sure he's going to maybe get back to those heights again.
00:35:49
Speaker
Do you think he falls into the mold of some of these players like a Crips, like a Wines? I mean, we've already talked about Brody who they are, he isn't up to that sort of level, but do you think he falls into this new category of kind of a bit slower midfielder that relies on tackles, relies on the grunt work that maybe doesn't fit into that fantasy scoring mold of the new age footballer?
00:36:14
Speaker
Well I mean when he was at his, yeah he's been injured a lot so it's really hard to know but when he was at his best we all know he's tackling but he used to pop up for marks as well he used to get a little bit of ball on the outside and
00:36:26
Speaker
We know now, who do you want getting the ball on the outside? Do you want Jack Sinclair? Do you want Nisaya Wangene Miller or do you want Jack Steele who's going to slow it down? So I think with the way the game's gone, I think he's going to be more of an inside midfielder and when he tackles well, he's going to go well. But he might not get the marks to be an uber scorer for us.
00:36:45
Speaker
I don't think he'll go backwards. He'll be around the mark. I'm just not sure he's going to be that underpriced guy that that goes bang to start the season. Interesting call. Hami, what's your buzz take for 2024? OK, Dossi, I've had a look into the crystal ball and I've got a guy priced at 31, who's going to average over 75.
00:37:06
Speaker
And that's Jeremy Sharp. I reckon he's going to leave Gold Coast and go to Freo, go back to WA, where he's from, and he's going to take Henry's spot on the wing. So we saw in his, I think it was a rookie year or year two, he put up some really big scores, like a lot of plus sixes out on that wing. So, yeah, that's that's the one I'm sort of tracking in the preseason and the trade period.
00:37:33
Speaker
Thought you were going to say Toby McLean there mate. He'll be close to 31 won't he Lou? He won't be far off. Will he be the bullies? If we had some recordings from the pre-season we could have really buried Lou with a few of those. I reckon the Toby McLean must have. Hopefully it's maybe the classic one year too early if you get to lifelong somewhere else.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully we'll see. My big call, my buzz call, and I am the OG buzz, Will Powell to be a top six defender, 82 average, got Damian Hardwick coming in, finished the season plus 10 on his last five average as well, and then they desperately need a ball user back there too.
00:38:15
Speaker
run Damian Hardwick's gameplay in which he always seems to use that distributor and defence. We saw Basher and the likes of Jaden Short coming through as well but there's no one there for the Gold Coast to really play that role aside from Powell and apparently all word is that he's going to be fine for pre-season as well. So he's my pick and then I also want to monitor Josh Ward.
00:38:35
Speaker
in the pre-season. Year two was definitely the second year blue vibes there for him, even though I think he did improve his average but didn't take that huge leap that we might have thought from Josh Ward. So with Hawthorne improving, I really see him sort of
00:38:51
Speaker
hopefully taking a more predominant midfield role but if not playing that sort of outside role that we see Goulden thrive in at stoppage and priced at 75. I reckon Josh Ward could be the breakout as well for next year so watch this space and we do know Dossie loves a buzz call. All right we're going to get on to some questions from the listeners before we wrap up and
00:39:12
Speaker
We thank you all for listening again. If you've made it this far through the show, um, there's not a heap of questions. So we'll try and get through these relatively quickly. I know Holmes. He has to go in just a few minutes. So I'll get to some of the questions that he can answer first. Um, let's have a look here at one. What was the strategy or was there, was there a strategy this season that didn't work and that you'll fade next season? That was from Ross Holmes or your thoughts?
00:39:40
Speaker
Well, to be honest, every year is different, so I'm not going to rule a strategy out just because one worked this year and one worked the previous year. I think you've got to play every season on its merits. It will be interesting next year because the flavor this year was, you know, after around sort of 17, 18, 19, when teams were complete, a lot of coaches were trading in 23rd, 24th,
00:40:05
Speaker
fourth premiums to start to loop from the bench and I think that worked out very well this year because we got a lot of premiums from low price points that ended up being keepers but it might not work as well next year if we're having to you know trade out players because we're not getting them at such low price points so that's one to monitor definitely worked this year for some high-rank coaches
00:40:25
Speaker
But it's, you know, it's really the first year that we've seen it. So who knows whether it'll work again. So it's just one to monitor. It'd be nice if the salary cap went down a little bit or the magic number changed to make it a bit harder because it seems like some of those teams just got completed too early and they were too similar. So it's too hard to make up ground in the back half of the season. Yeah, but what will be interesting next year, Hami, is we're losing all these mid forwards. So we're actually going to have to pick forwards next year. So I think that's going to make that element of the game different.
00:40:56
Speaker
Does he keep it? Does he keep forward status? I'd be surprised if he didn't. This is an interesting one from Ninja. Was there a favorite pre-season take that was just completely wrong? So we did mention about maybe Toby McLean being an absolute lock as a rookie. Is there any other ones that stand out? I'm trying to think back. Josh Dunkley will be the number one scorer. There was a bit of that. Oh, that's got to be it. That's got to be the one.
00:41:22
Speaker
Like you just look back now, I mean, he still averaged a ton, but by God, it was a disappointing season from all accounts from dunks. I don't know what happened in the back half of the year too. Was he carrying something or what? We know what it's like coming back from injury, but I know my big one, I was unsure about how Tim Taranto is going to go in that Richmond midfield and what he kind of showed towards the end of the year. He dropped off a lot when they had
00:41:47
Speaker
all of their guys back, Hopper back in there, Dusty was playing more of a roll around the ball, but yeah that was clearly wrong with how Taranto started and how he went through, especially through that middle crunch. The rucks, the rucks will all be terrible, don't worry about the rucks, but then I had English and Marshall all season.
00:42:02
Speaker
I was about to say, I think the set and forget, we were pissing around in the rocks again and once again, it was the set and forget that got it done. So, we'll see for next year. There's a bit of value down there. I've actually got another one as well. I reckon the amount of people that owned this guy around one, and we were thinking he was going to be our savior, Charlie Constable. He was a big pre-season take as well. He was going to take the next set.
00:42:30
Speaker
Yeah. 87 and 81 in round one and two and then was dropped. I think, I think that was the story of Constable season. So, but I mean, yeah, there was a fair few takes on Constable flying around and he was certainly in the, in the Twitter feeds throughout the season as well. Hoping he'd come back in. I called him really early, talked to him up as much as I could. Yeah, true. Yeah. I remember seeing him wearing the career savers in one of the trial games that let you guys know. I said, boys avoid when you're wearing those.
00:42:58
Speaker
You're like, your body's as bad as mine, and you're just trying to get through week to week. Sorry, Dos. One more strategy that I would change for next year is holding on to mid prices and rookies a little bit longer. Some guys like James Wharpour, Finn Callahan, who I was a little bit impatient to move on and get onto somebody else's head and find a
00:43:19
Speaker
a value primo or an uber primo via that but it just didn't work for me and I would have been better off actually holding these guys an extra 3-4 weeks and banking that 150-200k and then pivoting off because quite often these guys even if they drop two poor scores in a row they are sort of established in the team so to speak and can bounce back and drop you a couple of nicer scores which can just keep you floating a few more weeks than what you otherwise would have
00:43:50
Speaker
Would you extend that to the rookies as well, Lou? So, you know, typically we know that the rookies that are around the mark, round one and round two are typically the rookies that have the better job security and are more in the coach's plans. And I know I got caught out a few times, you know, downgrading them a little bit earlier, only for the player that you bring in to get a sub vest or be dropped a couple of rounds later. And, you know, I think a Chandler's a good example of that, of getting off him early, but he was able to hold his spot and actually make more money once I got rid of him. So would you agree there as well?
00:44:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think so, mate. I reckon you have to back yourself a little bit there. Like there's some rookies that can sort of hold that 65 average and not drop too much in cash. But there's other ones who a little bit like Chandler can get out the blocks really quickly and then sort of revert back to their main and drop cash quite quickly too. So it's about towing that line a bit. But I know it was a Darcy Wilmot owner holding him up until about round 19 was fantastic.
00:44:48
Speaker
Same with Marcus Winhager for a lot of coaches there too, even a Reuben Jinby before he dropped off a bit like. I reckon I almost thought Holmes your original plan like a couple of years ago when you when you're up there and got your got your runner-up cap that was like the opposite it was like Tom Phillips failed early and you're like jump off so it's like I'm sort of like is that not just a back kind of.
00:45:12
Speaker
I do that with I do that with golden this year and it it flips right so it is that there's there's luck to it it is what it is Tom Phillips sucks from the start though too didn't he whereas Warple and Callahan sort of got to a point where we thought we could move them on and that's where they're gonna peak
00:45:30
Speaker
Yeah, I still had the role. I suppose is the thing we were kind of projecting that lose the role. It wasn't kind of, yeah, based on anything, but a fantasy score. Okay. Uh, the final couple here and early look at 2024, harmi. I know you're a man that loves to look ahead. Um, aside from your buzz call, is there any just obvious clear things that are going to happen? So, um, Brody Grundy, for instance, gaining forward status is one that's coming in here. Do you think he gets it and is a current lock?
00:46:00
Speaker
Oh, not really. I did mention Jack Bose before. I think if Sam Walsh had forward status, he'd probably just about be the F1 for the season. But yeah, I'm keen to have a bit more of a look into that and and do another podcast in the next couple of months and explore that a bit more.
00:46:21
Speaker
I think we've covered everything the listeners want. One last question here was from, there's a couple actually. What were Dossie's emotions when he realized it was Darren's Lux from the start? That was from John. Hopefully I covered that off in the intro. Yes, it was a devastating moment. As I said, I couldn't really come to terms with it. We had to record a week later. I was really just waiting for those late adjustments, but couldn't come in the 21,000 spots that I needed to. And Freaky Lem.
00:46:50
Speaker
Have I started, has Dossi started planning how he will fit the 23 Corolla and 24 Lux in his garage? So look, I had a pretty strong, as I said at the start, I actually was messaging him probably when he messaged me here.
00:47:05
Speaker
I was thinking I was in the top couple of hundred in AFLW fantasy and once again the shadow bands kicked in. It said I was ranked like 300th and no joke an hour later it pushed me out 3000 spots and dropped my score by 400. Still top 20,000 though. That's good. Yeah, yeah, still in the top.
00:47:27
Speaker
All right. I think that's going to wrap us up for season 2023. We thank you very much for listening. Um, maybe jump on, give us a rating and review on whatever podcast platform you're listening to. If you have enjoyed throughout the season, we do really appreciate those, um, in helping the brand there. Uh, we of course, thank our sponsors, the keeper league pod for sticking by us all season long, helping us out there, helping us out with hosting and whatnot as well. Um, you really give us a lot of support behind the scenes.
00:47:57
Speaker
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00:48:15
Speaker
all season long, you know, getting involved on the socials, asking you questions, just sending messages of support and also just helping out. We hope we've helped you out with your teams along the way as well in some way or another. Louis, any final thoughts on the season and message for our listeners here? Oh, just thanks to all the listeners for tuning in this year. You're what makes the show happen. So, yeah, thanks again for that and see you next year, I suppose.
00:48:46
Speaker
Army? Oh yeah, echo those comments. It's just been a lot of fun, even though we haven't really had a great deal of success amongst our group. But some of the listeners have, so well done to them. Yeah, thanks, Dossie. It's been a good year.
00:49:01
Speaker
It's been awesome. And of course, Holmes, he's just had to shoot off then, but he's obviously would repeat the sentiment we've just given. Same as Stado, who obviously had to miss a bit of the season this year, but he's always supportive. And we thank Stado for everything that he's done this year. Wish him all the best.
00:49:19
Speaker
All right, that's it, guys, for the season. We'll see you soon, no doubt. But thank you very much for listening to Pod Pod in season 2023. See ya.