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AFL Fantasy 2022 Recap, PODPOD Awards, and 2023 Targets | #PODPOD
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The Statesman, Holmesy, Lewy, and Dos relive the AFL Fantasy season, looking at the best and worst of the season. They hand out some PODPOD Awards, including the 'Stato Washed Up Former Stud of the Year', before answering some final listener questions and checking out some early targets for the 2023 season.
Thanks everyone for your support this season!
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Fantasy Season Reflections
00:00:17
Speaker
G'day and welcome to the Podily Pod Pod. It's your boy, Dossi. It's all over. The fantasy season's done and dusted. Didn't quite get the lux as expected, but there's always next year I can finally admit the chase is over. There's no round 24 for Dossi to make up the points he needs to. It is all over, but we're here to recap the fun season that was. Everyone had so much fun, didn't we boys? Kyle, did you have fun this season?
00:00:47
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Yeah mate, great fun. Not as good as the highest from last year, but it was good to be on the pod and be giving advice to people and yeah, it was good.
00:00:57
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Stado, how about you, mate? Was it an enjoyable season for you? No, it wasn't an enjoyable season at all, unfortunately. Not too much went right, but it does happen. I will apologise to the listener right now. Unfortunately, there's a military exercise going overhead, and Dossie just requested that I
00:01:18
Speaker
just make a couple of phone calls to go away. So I've rang up a few embassies, dotted down a few notes and just advised them that we're recording a fantasy podcast and could you please stop your war games? Unfortunately, I got the GF response.
00:01:37
Speaker
Well, Stado, there's always bloody something with you, mate. So no doubt, in about 25 minutes, the pot will cut out and we'll have to restart. So you don't have to worry about that, listeners. That'll probably be gone when the time you hear this. Louis, how are you, mate? You're sipping on some body and Coke Zero. What's going on? Oh, not a lot, mate. I had a good fantasy year. It was good fun. Every year is good fun with fantasy. And here we are wrapping it up. And if you're a coach like me, you're probably already planning for 2023.
00:02:05
Speaker
Yeah, let's get cracking.
00:02:07
Speaker
I think you've been planning for about six weeks, mate. You've always got something going on in the background. Your little documents always growing throughout the year. So hopefully we can touch on some of those names this
Season Recap and Highlights
00:02:17
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episode. I'm looking forward to it. But as you said, we are going to recap the season that was. We're just going to go through some of our biggest hits, misses, the usual stuff, looking back. And we're going to hand out some awards as well. But first, let's wrap up grand final week, round 23. Just our usual run through of nailed it, failed it, and then we're going to finish off.
00:02:36
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with what was the greatest battle of our time, the Foss versus Roach, the final update. But we'll start with Kyle first. How was your final round of the season, mate?
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah, we'll get through mine pretty quickly. I had a 2-2-2-1, which was shocking. Sums up my season with a Sam Walsh laid out on Sunday that wasn't in the injury reports all week and wasn't reported until Sunday morning. So that was great ending the season with a Mitch Owens 55 on field. So that unfortunately is my failed it.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, far out. I could have had my trade of Patraka to Parrish that lost me points, and I actually did Captain Parrish as well, so I can add that to my fount as well. Nailed it. Jack Steele finished pretty strong. Probably should have had the captaincy on him, but he finished very, very well.
00:03:29
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and my trades, like I mentioned, track to parish and I went crisp to stewart, which didn't get me many points either. So it didn't finish very strongly and sums up my season. Yeah, the wall shout was pretty brutal, but we'll speak about why I was quite happy about that in a moment. But Louis, final round mate, let's have a recap.
00:03:49
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Yeah so I scored 2410 so it was quite a good week for me. I think it might have actually been my best week for the season. My nailed it was Sick Dog with the 151. That was really nice to get. He was a player that was probably in the gun for a couple of weeks but
00:04:07
Speaker
Due to a couple of good matchups, I decided to keep him. I failed, it was Marshall, partnered with Campbell. I thought I'd just brute force Marshall and hope for a 90 in the last round because there was a few other trades I wanted to do. It didn't work out for me, sputtered it up, and Campbell actually outscored Marshall. So I ended up with a rank of 1,054, so it's the first time I've fallen out of the top
00:04:32
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1,000 for a number of years, which is a little bit flat, but also at the same time, I had a bowl in the last eight weeks because I was just doing crazy, dossy type things. And my trades ended up being in the end, whole and crisp to blitz saves in English status, man. Could I just ask, Lou, do you think the dropping outside the top 1000 had anything to do with Kyle joining the team this year?
00:04:58
Speaker
Possibly. Yeah, I won't rule it out. I'm probably thinking it was more missing my trade deadline in round 12, but I wouldn't rule out Kyle as well.
00:05:09
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What we can say for certain though, is that Kyle dropping out of the top two directly correlates with being in good shape with Dossy though. We can all agree on that. No correlation there mate. All right. It's the moment you've all been waiting for that. I mean, and realistically, like you guys finished close enough to the top thousand, like Kyle 1368, Lou 1054. So whilst it was a disappointing result for your lofty standards, like
00:05:37
Speaker
Still a pretty solid season considering all the the bullets you guys copped and some of the sort of things that a lot of people cop this year but and Especially starting with a few strategies that you know, including the the gaundy Kyle that sort of fell through I think that's a pretty good result for you lads. Let's move forward to the final update
00:05:57
Speaker
of the Roach versus Foss, which is a battle that has been going on, if you haven't been keeping track, because this one will be going out to the masses on the free to wear. So there's been a battle over the last, what'd you say, state of five, six weeks of the season to see who could claim the better ranking out of an old fossil yourself versus the Roach who's just lingering around in Dossy. Only in your head. So let's see how the final round went. Only in your head.
00:06:27
Speaker
Come on, mate. Okay, fair enough. I nailed it. It was David Swallow with his 140. And let's be fair, if I didn't have two forced trades every single round since round 14, he wouldn't have been in my team. So it's actually just lucky rather than nailed it.
00:06:45
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Failed it a bit like Carl as well, had Sam Walsh who I brought in the week before and he failed at the week before as well. So brought him in for two shockers, a poor score and then a late out. And also brought in took four the first week in my team.
00:07:03
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and put the C on him so that was a massive fail as well. Score was 2278 which pretty disappointing with a poor captaincy and a primo out wasn't great rank 5917 and basically my trades were rookie to rookie just to build a bit of cash and went
00:07:24
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Mitchell up to Took, which gave me a massive, I think, 17 points. So no sugar for Stato right throughout the season, to be fair. I think I had one good one with Rob and that was about it.
00:07:42
Speaker
Yeah. So to recap the rank was what they're saying? Five, nine, one, seven. Okay. Five, nine, one, seven. All right. Well, obviously your rank's going to be higher the way you've tried to drag this out. And if you're proud to be in the 5,000 ranks. No, I'm just building the suspense. No, you might still win. I'm just building the suspense. There's nothing, there's nothing confirmed. Yeah. Okay.
00:08:09
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All right, my failed it, it goes without saying that my trades this week were pretty putrid. I brought in Kyle's man, Dan Houston, just for a potential ceiling score in the back line and the failed it's not so much that Dan Houston was poor. I was kind of expecting either boom or bust with that.
00:08:30
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The big failed it for me was the fact I didn't go James Sicily because he had a 45% ownership and I just didn't want to go there. Whereas it was not the obvious matchup. It was the obvious matchup. So I was trying to go the pod and I, you know, watching him have a hundred in the first half. I was biting my nails there. My nailed it has to be
00:08:52
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Connor Rosie, who we mentioned last week, he was one of the pods that I mentioned that, you know, he was still very lowly owned, surprisingly 7%, despite going tons for basically six of the last seven weeks, I think 144 in the showdown.
00:09:07
Speaker
I'm just pissed off because... Oh, that's my failure. Yeah. Is that why you were looking at me like that, Lew? 144. He was my captain all bloody week. I'm at my silly Saturday. We had the wrap up for my local footy season. After a few games of beer pong, I made him on Simmo, who will be listening, who will be listening, gave me
00:09:31
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A better option as captain, instead of Connor Rosie, suggested Bayley Smith. Bayley Smith tagged to a 74, so I changed that after a few Beveys. Let's get into the final finale. I only scored the 21-50 state-o. Did you get the win?
00:09:50
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Alas, Dossie had 5,876 on his final rank and he kicks in by a couple of hundred. Lads, the Roach. It is the year of the Roach. I forgot what rank Stado was. That was about 20 minutes ago. Well done, Doss. I'm going to
End-of-Season Awards
00:10:09
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put some backing music so that there's a bit more build up for that one because, um, yeah, it's been a long time coming. Stado. I'm the champion.
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, don't care and I don't think many of our listeners do mate, so let's move on to the good topics.
00:10:41
Speaker
Let's move on, which is talking about our beautiful listeners in the Pod Pod Challenge. Let's give an update on the final round and see where in the Pod Pod Challenge, it was all our listeners in a joint group. And we also want to give a shout out to the Pod Pod Head to Head League Premiers as well out of those. We did five leagues, I think, this year. So let's go through them, Stado.
00:11:01
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Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for everyone being involved in the Pop-Pop Challenge, a magnificent first season for us to do that. And through that group, there was a Lux and 17 Caps collected. So congratulations for those. Matty Bottram, of course, who we've heard a few times this week. So congratulations to him. Got in front reasonably early and had a few scary moments there late in the season. But congratulations, Matt.
00:11:30
Speaker
Well done and enjoy driving in your new car. James, Anthony, Caleb and Cameron all top 10 finishes, so they gained some prizes. Well done to them with Shuckers. That's James' team finishing second, so well done to him.
00:11:49
Speaker
And of course, as I mentioned before, 17 cap winners. So moving on to our head to head leagues in the pod pod challenges, we had five leagues. Our premiers were the Riverton Royals with Matt, Mecca with the coach Brett, Fantasy Pigs United, Warren,
00:12:12
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some guy with a team called Holmes is heroes and Rowan the boat congratulations Rowan so well done to some guy Rowan Warren Brett and Matt for being head-to-head winners
00:12:29
Speaker
Yeah, awesome work and thanks for being involved for the season. Obviously a couple of huge rankings there in the group and enjoy those prizes. Okay, it's time to get to our award show wrapping up this season that was, and it is the pod pod end of season awards that we've got here. So I've learned pre-show, everyone's done their homework, bar homsey. So he's probably frantically going away here trying to get his answers sorted.
00:12:57
Speaker
but it's just a few simple ones to start off and then we've got a few pod-pod exclusive ones. But the first one, let's just go pretty simple here. The boring old one to kick us off. Your best trade of the season. Let's go around in the circle. Stado, you first mate.
00:13:10
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Yeah, no doubt early in the season, I made a move, had Jake Bowie early, just a bit of cash generation, and then traded him up to Angus Brayshore, who then sat in my back line for the remainder of the year and got the out of bonus moving in the midfield late. So really good pick up Angus Brayshore. I think it was only you and me, Dossie, out of this crew that actually had him. And he was certainly worthy of a top six defender status.
00:13:40
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's a great trade. And moving into the midfield at the end of the season, probably, I don't know, maybe even potential to go better next year if he holds that role as well. And especially if he holds the defensive status and retains the midfield role. Lou, what about you, mate? Yeah, for me, it was Matt Ral out.
00:13:57
Speaker
So obviously a lot of high stock pre-season. And I was, I remember being extremely hesitant in round three to trade him out after he dropped to 130 and then what a 50 in round two. I decided to go the, I suppose at the time that felt gutsy and it was the right call. So I'm glad I traded out Matt Rao. It didn't really come to fruition this year. And I'm sure we'll be talking about him come February next year. Kyle, what about you, man?
00:14:29
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Yeah, mine's pretty easy. Round eight, I traded Josh Richelli, who was at his top price, and I actually traded him down to Darcy Cameron, who ended up making probably 250K and averaging close to 100K for that point in time. And unfortunately, I had to hold on to him for too long towards the end of the season with all the forced trades. Getting off him at the right time would have been perfect, but he was a great servant for my side and was a big reason that I was able to get up into that top 500 before falling late.
00:14:59
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you
00:15:00
Speaker
Yeah, that was a huge trade, and one that I regret not jumping on board, to be honest, and maybe one of my lessons learned later on. My best trade of the season came in around 15 when I brought in Rowan Marshall. So I think it was the week that everyone, and I'll mention at the end here, Kyle and you guys, because Kyle loved this story the other week. So he was coming off 59 and 58, priced at 631K.
00:15:29
Speaker
And I basically jumped on him for 1.31 on Dabu and then 109 across the final nine rounds. So huge, huge trade for me. But the funniest part about the whole thing is that my best trade of the season was an accident.
00:15:48
Speaker
I meant to get Luke Jackson in. That was the week that everyone jumped on Luke Jackson. Max Gorn went down. Jackson went 129 or whatever he went 130 as well.
00:16:00
Speaker
And I was devastated. I had footy on that night training, and I just didn't want to lock in my trade before knowing the rest of the teams. I instead waited, got Rowan Marshall instead. And then remember you guys, I was messaging the group chat, like I missed on Luke Jackson. This is the no brainer pick of the year. What have I done? I've stuffed my team. Instead, I got my best trade of the year. So even my best trade of the year was a mistake, boys. So that's probably the moral of the story there.
00:16:30
Speaker
Worst trade, stato. Yeah, it may not seem the worst trade on paper, but the consequences were pretty severe. So in round five, I traded Matt Rau to Tim English, who was right then the number one Ruck and I think either F1 or F2 because of his forward status.
00:16:53
Speaker
But unfortunately, he was out the following week and my response was to bring in Jordan Ngoi, which effectively ended my season. Jordan Ngoi for the last four rounds that I actually had him, which was over that sort of trip to Barley and traded Will Brody.
00:17:11
Speaker
in round 14 and instead of Jordan to go, because I thought he would come back with a good run like he did the previous year, he scored 35 points in the last four weeks I had him. I owned him. So that's just how awful that was. And including when he wasn't playing because of another late out, because Jordan was sitting on the bench, I got a lovely on field seven. So
00:17:40
Speaker
That move, because English was straight in and then straight out, unfortunately derailed my season.
00:17:49
Speaker
Yep, that's pretty brutal. And do you think the coaching, the new game style at Collingwood is the main reason to go, he's not able to have the same ceilings as he did last season under Buckley getting those marked chips? Partially there, but also his role of change. You go into that midfield, so he's going to be a mid only, which is a bit annoying for those that own him in keeper leagues, but then just basically rush forward. So he didn't get that around the ground plus six.
00:18:19
Speaker
Yeah. Worst trade, Lu. Yeah, my worst trade was who I sort of didn't select. So I think in round 10, I can't remember who I traded out. But basically my target was between Petrarchia and Lead. They were about the same price.
00:18:36
Speaker
I chose Patraka because it suited my buy and who knows maybe I would have copped a donut through those buyers with how things transpired so maybe it did help but unfortunately I did go back and have a look at what might have happened had I selected a lead and a top 200 finish is staring at me and if I'd chucked a VC or a C on him who knows what might have happened so that's probably my worst trade but also a few weeks later I missed a trade too so we'll see how that
00:19:07
Speaker
Oh yeah, I remember that. Ah, Karl.
00:19:13
Speaker
Yeah, so I've written down here Nick Daikos to Tom Mitchell, but I'm going to kind of lump three of them together. So there was a three week period where I traded Nick Martin, Nick Daikos and Will Brody all up to players that I thought were supposed to be top, top guys in their line. And all three of those players decided to drop tons. And I'm pretty sure they weren't even just small tons either. They were between 110 and 130.
00:19:40
Speaker
and that really set me back so instead of holding on to those players for a bit longer and then being able to get up to your Rory Laird took Miller types I traded out the other guys took a haircut or trade those guys out took a haircut and missed out on points so
00:19:57
Speaker
I don't regret it. The season before I went early on, Tom Powell, Errol Goulden and those types, and it really shot me up the board. And this year, unfortunately, Daikos and Martin kind of stuck it to me a little bit, but that's the way you kind of got to play. You got to take those risks and go against the comp. So it didn't work for me this year, but hopefully next year it will.
00:20:18
Speaker
My West trade, I think we all know it. It was in after round five, so my round six trade, we've got to remember I did have COVID at this point and I do blame that on my hazy thinking, but following 24 disposals, eight marks and seven tackles against the Swans, a pretty tough opponent with 10 center bounces and 121 fantasy points.
00:20:42
Speaker
Well, does he he brought in Jaden Stevenson? Back on that fateful day and it was 63 points against the Bulldogs followed by an injury and then he was in and out of my team within a week So that's got to be my worst trade of the season bringing in Jado Doss it's not your fault mate. No one told you not to pick him. It's all good. I
00:21:05
Speaker
It's pretty hard for us to tell him not to pick him when he thinks he's smarter than us and drops that in a minute before locking out. I personally blame you guys responsible and I had nothing to do with it myself so it was that and a bit of illness that really caused my worst trait of the season otherwise I had a flawless record across the year. Let's go through our best starting pick just really quickly just a name's fine on this one.
00:21:32
Speaker
Yeah, James Sicily. And I will say that I was never going to pick him. I'm not a big fan to have someone come back from a new reconstruction. But the more I thought about it was 18 months, not 12 months. And picking him up and him averaging more than Tom Mitchell is just remarkable. So a solid pick all year. Yeah. And what a way to go out as well in that final round. Yeah.
00:21:56
Speaker
Lou? Yeah, just on those defenders too, had George Hewitt not getting injured, not gotten injured, I think he would have been up there as well. For me, I've got Will Brody up in the forward line, 387k starting price, finished the year with a 95 average, so you can't complain at all with that. Fantastic. While I think of it, Lou, because I don't know if we'll touch on it tonight or whether it's a future thing, but do you reckon he can
Player Performance Analysis
00:22:22
Speaker
go
00:22:22
Speaker
one bigger next year, even as a pure mid, now that Mundy's out of the side and he's still got that room to grow with his time on ground.
00:22:30
Speaker
Possibly. It depends if his time on ground actually jumps up. But they do have Caleb Sorong who didn't take that next step like many thought that he would. And they've got Neil Erasmus in the twos who's pretty much carving up the waffle. So I don't know. I think time on ground's always going to be an issue. It was at the Suns and Justin Longmuir has a history of just playing his players in general with a low time on ground. So it's probably the last time he'll be on our sides.
00:22:58
Speaker
Yeah, OK, fair enough. Kyle, what about you, mate? Yeah, I'm going to go with Andy Brayshore. So I think he was priced at maybe 104. I think him and Josh Kelly were pretty much identical, I think. And he ended up averaging 113. And he even slowed towards the end. So for a fair chunk of the year, he was the number one averaging midfielder. And it wasn't until Rory Ladd went absolutely bananas at the end that he overtook him and Brayshore fell back. So he was a fantastic starting pick.
00:23:28
Speaker
and the type of player that you aim to start with at the start of the season, someone that's underpriced and can outscore their price. Especially getting a head start in the competition with, I think it was round two where everyone would have been scrambling to get him in after he dropped that 180, was it in round two? And then you're now one trader head of the comp as well with everyone trying to get him in, so yeah, awesome pick.
00:23:50
Speaker
My best starting pick, I just had him, I think you've mentioned him a couple of times, Kyle, but Jordan Dawson was sort of that more unique pick in the back line, starting price of 89, so he was kind of that awkward pick, averaged 100 for the year. I just liked the fact that he dropped a fair few ceiling scores in there as well and was just safe to have in your back line, never really tailed off. So yeah, really enjoyed having Jordy Dawson in my side. Ironically,
00:24:17
Speaker
My thinking for him to actually be good this year was, you know, to take that next step was to move into the midfield and play more wing time, which he seemed to do very well at Sydney. Instead, it was really just playing that natural role in half back and being the distributor that where he managed to score his ton. So my thinking was probably a bit off there. Carl.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, just on that, Dost. He was a fantastic starting pick and ended up being very good. The one thing I will say going into 2023 is that I'd be quite wary in picking him in that he started to get a lot of attention late in the year when teams started to clue on just how damaging he was. And that was part of the reason why I didn't sort of jump to him early in the year. I was convinced that attention was going to come his way at some point. And it didn't happen for a very long time until the end when sort of the tag came back in vogue.
00:25:06
Speaker
He's probably a watch and wait and see in in twenty twenty three is probably pretty fairly price so I'm just want to kind of put in the in the book for next year. How about that worst starting pick then lads. Let's go reverse order call you might. It's Wayne Miller and I blame Louie.
00:25:28
Speaker
I write a reply. It's Wayne Miller and I blame Kyle. We were we were pretty much tossing up between. I think we were we were going to select Answorth at D6 and then Malera got a shocking.
00:25:47
Speaker
Well, we didn't expect him to be named in round one. I think we just got seduced by that. So, in the end, Ainsworth ended up averaging 11 more points than Malera. But also, at the same time, I think if Malera gets a string of games at the start of the year, we'd probably look on it a little bit differently. So, it wasn't thought through and it was probably a panicked pick in the last couple of days, Kyle.
00:26:09
Speaker
Yeah, and in our defence, we really wanted those rookies to be named back there, and there was just none. And yeah, we just wanted that cheaper option, and there was very little options going around. If we had have gone Answorth, it probably would have been a lot different, but lesson- Whoa, what a good kiss.
00:26:25
Speaker
Yeah, well, even Gibcis, he was shocking until late and, and Patty McCartan didn't come good until later on in the season either. So I really just wanted to play the two rookies at, at D five and D six, because that's what's worked for me in the past. And it probably showed that this year was the year to sort of change up the strategy a bit and maybe spend up a little bit more in defense because the rookie options just weren't there. And he had an interrupted pre-season call.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah, the number one rule. I hate you, Louis. Thanks for making me pick Wayne Miller. Yeah, stuff for you, Kyle. Stoto, are you going Wayne Miller as well, or? Yeah, because of Kyle and Louis. I had my eyes on the other, and those two talked me out of it. And just them talking about it, them just reminded me. I went, yeah, I was pushing the other guy. Oh, you've actually, oh, you have actually selected him. Yeah.
00:27:18
Speaker
Oh, all right. Well, priced at 40 next year, boys. Well, I've got a little bit, I've got to admit a little bit of a more unique, um, worst starting pick from my end and, uh, it's Taryn Thomas. So. Oh yeah, COVID round one, didn't he? Wasn't that your conspiracy theory? Oh yeah, well I thought he must have.
00:27:41
Speaker
Yeah, so I backed him in for the breakout, obviously massive back half of 2021. He went 49 in his round one, which like I said, yeah, he was really lackadaisical. My theory was that he had COVID or something like that the week before. And then backed it up with a 49 injured and I think it was in the third quarter. So he was tracking for a better score, but he had a rib injury in round two and then just missed a bunch of footy.
00:28:06
Speaker
you know, had to trade him out immediately, but also then came back later in the year. I'll still keep my eye on him. Um, just didn't look himself this year. Obviously he had a family tragedy as well. Um, in that round, I think it was later in the year and around 15 or something. And then just didn't play the rest of the year from round 16. So, I mean, talk about guys I've got on my radar for the off season. It's definitely him because he played, I think he managed to get 10 games as well. So he will still actually be priced super cheap for next year, but obviously it was kind of a rare.
00:28:36
Speaker
Like, he sometimes failed with these big breakouts, but he'd shown so much that I thought it was, at least he was gonna go up a little bit, you know, that there wasn't too much room for error there. And boy, was I big time wrong on that one for this year anyway. So he managed 10 games, like you said, DOS for an average of 53.6 points. So I think most coaches will be penciling him in for a spot in their side next year. Clarko come to the side.
00:29:05
Speaker
get him sorted. I think, yeah, I just rate him so highly that I think he's going to bounce back big time. So, um, let's do average more than Malera. Yeah. All right. Let's get onto the actual, these are the pod pod unique, um, awards for the season. We've got past the boring old ones. Let's get into the real stuff.
00:29:26
Speaker
the roach of the year. So I'm just going to explain this, this award, the player that lingered from the start or early in the season that was doing just enough to stay in, but just kept on surviving like the roach that they are. Um, let's start with you, Stado. Who's, who's your roach of the year? Yeah, it was disappointing. And I went with him early and he's one of those players that with the, um, the average of the first three or four rounds, um, amid pricey, you would have got rid of.
00:29:54
Speaker
but Singers a premium held on. He did have a good patch for about six weeks, but then trailed off at the end of the year and that's Jack Crisp.
00:30:04
Speaker
Yeah, it was funny. I was like hoping I'd have him a lot of my season and being a non-owner was really harsh for a while there, but then looked like everyone at the end of the season. I reckon all our, you know, 60% of our questions there for a little bit all involve Jack Crisp towards the end of the year, just trying to find a way to get him out of their side. So that's a good call. The old Roach sticking around those stuck, stuck into the end for you there, Stado, did he? Yeah, disappointingly. Yeah.
00:30:29
Speaker
What about you mate? Yeah, mine was Jackson McCray. I picked him in the preseason as my perma captain or at least certainly my VC loop for the first couple of weeks with that fixture. I kept thinking he was going to come good. He kept peppering and teasing with a couple of 130s and then he'd back it up with an 80 or a 90. And it just got to the end of the year and I just couldn't get rid of him even though
00:30:55
Speaker
I really wanted to. It kind of reminds me of that Simpsons episode where they've got the Yakuza Japanese mafia out the front and got that one guy who's waiting there and Homer says, you know, he's going to do something good soon. And they close the door, trade him out and he goes 150. And that's what I thought was going to happen all year. It didn't. And yeah, he's probably one that I might struggle to pick in the future, I think.
00:31:24
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm sure, probably Kyle, you'd probably agree with that one, because I know he was a big source of frustration for you. Yeah, yeah, both of those players I probably would have picked as my roach of the year as well, but I'll go someone different just to switch it up. And probably a bit harsh, because at the end, he's proved to be a very, very good starting pick. And with two monster scores to finish off the season, it pulled his average up. But James Sicily,
00:31:52
Speaker
He was very good early, and then he had a pretty good patch throughout the middle as well. But towards the end, probably four out of the last six games, he was putting up sub-average scores. And like I said, if he didn't have that 151 to finish, he would have been traded out. But he had those good matchups to finish. I don't know if the guy that makes you that much coin and drops a 150 on exit to finish the season can be a roach. He belongs in the team, especially to start with.
00:32:20
Speaker
Yeah, like I said, I just wanted to switch it up a little bit. And he was just someone that I was looking to trade around the buys. I was looking to trade around the buys and he just kept holding on and holding on and holding on because of my forced injuries. And like I said, it was good in the end, but in a perfect world, I probably would have traded him out and then maybe looked to get him back in for those matchups late.
00:32:39
Speaker
Fair enough. You've interpreted that the way you want, Kyle, which I respect. Christian Petrarch is my roach of the year. Just every time I go to trade him out, other things would become more important, kind of like Louis was saying in that episode of The Simpsons, just you don't want to be on the wrong end of it when you do get rid of him. And he was exactly that sort of player. But I looked at his highs and his lows. He went under 98 times this season, but then over 110, 10 times.
00:33:09
Speaker
So, just the complete polar opposites, you're either getting the worst or the best. He's going to get that. He's that tag target. He's a real roacher coaster, if you will, but he was my roach of the year this year. He only averaged 102. He's like 10 points for the year. He's the anti-Daniel Rich who averaged like 97 and went over 99 once last year.
00:33:35
Speaker
Yeah, just unreal. Just the highs and lows were just so... Yeah. And when Melbourne went through that patch as well, he was just kind of one of the casualties where just couldn't get going in that little patch. All right. I've got our next Pod Pod exclusive award, the Buzz Call of the Year. A call that you were light years ahead for, but it may not have paid off at the right time for you. A typical
00:34:00
Speaker
buzz, manoeuvre. Stado, I know that you're not a buzz yourself naturally, but what was one you could maybe pencil in that you
Buzz Calls and Surprises
00:34:09
Speaker
did do?
00:34:09
Speaker
Yeah, it did a couple of buzz calls this year. And the first one in my starting squad was Ed Richards, who was in the 300K mark. And yeah, he unfortunately didn't deliver what I expected him to deliver, but he certainly finished off the season really well. In fact, the highest averaging Western Bulldog defender in the last five rounds at 91.
00:34:32
Speaker
average and if he started like that I would just would have had a blonder of a start. So Ed Richards I think is going to be a very good fantasy player unfortunately because he had an average of mid 70s this year he's going to be too expensive but a good draft player moving forward.
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah mine was Jack Hayes just because I was spruiking him since pretty much what jeez November the previous year I thought he was going to get get on an AFL list so I'll claim that and I'll I'll forget about James Cheetos who I also spruicked all preseason but that's okay also I'll just add in Rosie keeper ended up being a pretty good call I wasn't sure if I believed it at the time but
00:35:21
Speaker
Being a port fan and watching him you certainly pass the eye test and the score was reflective of that. So Yeah, Rosa Rosie caper was a good one too. I wish I just took my own advice Carl Are you have you buzzed this year?
00:35:36
Speaker
Yeah, well, Louis just taken my one again. Have a look at the run sheet, mate. Connor Rosie, so I traded him in round seven and he went, in the first month, I think he had 360s and a 90, so he didn't start very well. But he had that midfield role and then, yeah, finished off incredibly well. He's gonna be a very interesting, whether he keeps forward status, but even as a mid-only price at 88, I think he went at 105 in the last,
00:36:05
Speaker
eight or something like that. So clearly he's going to be value and he's, I just wish I didn't trade him out in round 22, worried about that injury and not having any cover. Once again, proceeded to drop a 115 and a 144 in my head. So that was very un-buzz-like. So that's the reverse buzz award and probably one of my worst trades of the year. Well, as buzz eye, it's pretty much weekly is my role to pick these guys, but my buzz call of the year,
00:36:32
Speaker
I'm just gonna go with something a little bit different because a lot of the buzz calls I make I don't necessarily bring into my side so I thought maybe I'd just do the one that I actually brought in. Big Darcy Parrish. He got the 141 on Daboo for me, paid off brilliantly, carved up for his next view, had a 146 and a 119 and they put him captain for that 146 as well.
00:36:54
Speaker
But then he was also just injured after that, the worst possible time, heading into the bias, dropped to 30, took a couple of weeks off for a calf, came back for an 84, and then was out for another month. So my buzz call in this sense was, little did I know it, but I actually needed to pick him next year, not in 2022. So that's my buzz call for the year. It's actually a 2023 call. Darcy Parrish, I think you guys are all on board for that pick next season.
00:37:23
Speaker
I've got another interesting segment here. The Cremudgeon Kyle grumpiest moment. A key moment in the season that made you the most grump. Kyle, maybe you can kick us off and set the tone.
00:37:37
Speaker
I will set the scene, so buy arounds. Louis just come back from his bush trip and he's all philosophical, not sure what he did out there, not implying anything, but he's come back very happy and in a philosophical mood and decided to trade in Braden Proust for his 14.
00:37:58
Speaker
Was inside the top 500 at the time, traded him in for his 14 and then backed it up the week later or the week after that by trading in Aaron Hall for his 12. So that was when my season started to derail. And I'm pretty sure three or four weeks in a row after that, I had double force trades and the wheels just fell off. So thanks, Louie. You've ruined my season by not convincing me to pick Bruce when I needed to early. And then you ruined my season by letting me pick him when I shouldn't have. So he averaged 14 for me.
00:38:30
Speaker
A bit of the blame game going on with Kyle tonight, I think. Fourteen. What are you going to blame Kyle for in your curmudgeon Kyle grumpiest moment? He is grumpy, isn't he? He is. Look, I didn't really have a grumpy moment. Like Kyle said, I missed a trade while I was out bush and I came back happier than ever.
00:38:54
Speaker
Look, I think Stado and Kyle take the game too seriously to be honest. They're always grumpy in that group chat. I was complaining about something. But no, look, I suppose I was a little bit flat about missing my trade deadline in round 12, but it is what it is. Yeah, so you literally missed out on trading due to that. No, no, I didn't meet the deadline for the first two games. So it was
00:39:21
Speaker
I couldn't get any reception and by the time I could I didn't really like any of my options, certainly for rookies as well. Just bank that trade. You can bank it. Well, this got nothing to do with fantasy, but I've officially had my worst year of my life.
00:39:45
Speaker
And to add to that pain, and there's three months to go, so hopefully there can be a bit of a turnaround. But for a nine-week period, I effectively went through what I would call the Dagoi crisis.
00:40:05
Speaker
And every step of the way, the man just found a new way to upset me. So I wasn't in a good place already, but Jordan de Goey just made the situation worse. So the one area where I could just go away and enjoy life while we're going through a bit of a tough time.
00:40:25
Speaker
which most of it's COVID and work related, of course, there was Jordan de Goey just taking away the joy of fantasy football. So that was my grumpy moment for the year. It was just very long and extended. Yeah, I was going to say, if Kyle is the grumpiest in the group chat out of 10, Stado's probably the 9.9, not far behind him there. He certainly... Well, this year, I wasn't a good one.
00:40:54
Speaker
Nah. One day, Dossie, you might understand what it's like to actually compete in this competition and the stresses that come along with it, mate. Dossie doesn't get grumpy though. He has an emotional breakdown in the group chat to the point where we just kick him.
00:41:11
Speaker
Yeah, whenever I'm about to unleash, I get kicked. So it's yeah, that's fair. My grumpiest, I have like a little month stretch. So if it wasn't honestly, the amount of grump I was dishing out this week in round 23 to the aforementioned Simmo football teammate who convinced me to go against Rosie literally thought it had lost me.
00:41:32
Speaker
the Roach vs. Foss and you should have sent the messages I was sending him. Cause I had, I legitimately had Rosie captain like Monday to Friday or Monday to Saturday changed at last minute, watching that Finn McGinnis tag hit Baz Lenka. I was, I was fuming and that, that was probably my grumpiest moment, but for a month stretch between round three and six, three captain scores to kick off my season. I had two for 68 in round three.
00:42:02
Speaker
took for 83 in round four and then a 76 from Petrarca in round six so that's how I started my season a beautiful beautiful way with all my VCs also doing terrible so I think that's why I harbored a little bit of um
00:42:17
Speaker
Not the greatest feelings toward toque for the remainder of the year. All right, we've got two more awards to hand out here. The Stado washed up former stud of the year. A player who, like Stado, has had past success but won't be an option in 2023 or maybe ever again.
00:42:36
Speaker
All right, so who wants to stay at the segment was named after you as a washed up man yourself. Who do you think wins this award from an AFL perspective? Yeah, I might be going early on this one, but it was just so frustrating this year for so many different reasons. And I think it's not the first time either. So I'm sort of getting to the point never again, but I also know this person's ability. So I might get sucked in and that's Lockie Whitfield.
00:43:07
Speaker
It's a big role change. Needs a role change. He's got eyes that come in and he's stealing too many points from him. I'll be doing it again. Far out. See you in 2024 boys. New coach, new system. Maybe we'll discuss it next year. Yeah. Richmond system. Yeah. Yeah. Great. You guys see the pipes on the new coach. Gee whiz. It's like Bevo, Bevo areas there. No.
00:43:34
Speaker
No one. All right, Louie. You go, mate. Yeah, mice washed up. I was going to do Whitfield as well, actually. So I had Dane Zorko. I know he's old, but I can see him. And he kind of did for the first six rounds, just being parked on a back pocket and just getting 120 after 120. But he's always going to burn you, I think. So Zorko's washed up for me.
00:44:04
Speaker
Yeah, this one might seem a bit harsh and no doubt we'll probably be talking about him at some point during the preseason. But Jack McRae, I think there's enough of a body of work now in terms of the back half of 2021 and now 2022.
00:44:19
Speaker
I think there's just a few guys that have maybe gone past him in that Bulldog midfield and the amount of mouths that they need to feed. I'm not sure he's going to be that 112, 115 plus guy that he's been in the past. I think he's going to be very serviceable, but he might not be that uber premium. Who knows what happens if Dunkley leaves or they change up the midfield again, but I don't think I'll be starting him next season and maybe I'll trade into him, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.
00:44:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think Louie was gonna jump in so dunks no dunks you still wouldn't be be tempted to go to need to go Hmm to need to go for him to be an uber again, okay
00:45:06
Speaker
All right, Stado. He's up, son. We're not in the grump section anymore. We're not in the curmudgeon moment. Okay, I've got... I put two draft ones. These are more obvious to me. I just think, similar in the Zorko vein.
00:45:21
Speaker
Dangerfield and Fife who have been fantasy jets for years. I just don't think we'll ever be in our sides again. And even in draft, they're going to be like they became streamers this year rather than actual guys you can rely on and probably won't be kept in a lot of keepers as well. They're just kind of past that moment. And there's no pathway for more mid-time from my perspective. I think they're both going to be just playing more forward as their careers develop and, you know, maybe have a month here or there, but I just don't think we're ever going to really see them in our classic teams again. But one that I've also gone
00:45:51
Speaker
as a looser one, just to throw a name in the mix. I don't know how comfortable I'm going to be, this is very loose because his career is so young, in picking Sean Darcy in the next couple of years especially.
00:46:08
Speaker
He's got Rory Lobb leaving the team and the other guy that's coming in there that seems to be filling that role when he's not there is Lloyd Meek, who whenever he plays, Darcy's like a 60, 50 or 60 guy. So anyway, I've just got a little flag that we saw late in the season that happened and he's just got the monster ceiling, but I'm just flagging that maybe he's a potential
00:46:33
Speaker
Not quite a stato washed up, but maybe he's this year and last year was his, you know, his hat wins. And then maybe from 2023, he's kind of the 5,900 ranked stato that we see of the current time. Kyle, you've got something to add?
00:46:51
Speaker
No, not on Sean Darcy. We'll replay this later on down the track to show just how little you know about fantasy. That's fine, but this one might be obvious just thinking about it now. But Tom Mitchell, if he doesn't get a trade away from Hawthorne, I think it's going to be tough to pick him. He's priced at 95, which is the lowest he's been for a very, very long time. But if they've moved past him at Hawthorne and he doesn't get a trade away, I'm not sure we can go back to him. Yeah, great. No one mentioned Aaron Hall either.
00:47:22
Speaker
I'd go there again for a month or something, but yeah. He had 39 in the VFL when he got dropped too. Like 39 touches. Yeah, but his, um, his person who replaced him, I think it was Goda when I wrote too. Yeah. Could you, could you pick him if he moves clubs? Could you say like a club that's actually competing that just made him for a year? I don't think that. He's only 31. But what other club has a role like that? Like it's just keeping us off so that the opposition don't kick goals.
00:47:52
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. He's always been good in a good role. Like even when he played midfield at Gold Coast, he was like had huge ceilings. That's all. But yeah, it's a risk. Those hammies. Yeah. All right. This is the final one for our pod pod awards. The Lou looks ahead. Favorite fallen staff for 2023. And honestly, we can just extend this to any, any 2023 player that you're keen on. Let's just go around the table here and just to pick a few, but
00:48:19
Speaker
I have I have just this particular award initially was the Fallen Stars. So, guys, this year, your favorite undervalued player to target in 2023 based on a poor season. So, it's the opposite of that washed up stato like player who like Louis, though, had a somewhat underwhelming year for their standards, but still has big potential to bounce back next year and still be a really power in the competition, unlike stato. So, who do we reckon here, Louis? You can kick us off. This is your award.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah, I've got I've gone with a couple of nice ones because we're going to be doing plenty of discussions on who are going to be popular in the preseason and all that. But first of all, I've got Toby McLean. So he did his knee over a year ago now.
00:49:08
Speaker
a former fantasy jet when he had the role. He comes out of contract this year so we'll see whether or not he's at the dogs. He might actually go to a club where he does get opportunity. He played the last four games in the VFL. He averaged over 100. He was the sub in around 20 or 21 so he was thereabouts for the dogs. If he keeps forward status he's going to come in at
00:49:31
Speaker
45 around that sort of price and I think he's gonna be look if he's playing I think he's someone we're gonna want to select and Just another dog as well. I think if we do see Dunkley depart then we might see We might see Baz go and more on the inside and we'll see locky hunter push up back onto a wing and not be stuck in no man's land on that half forward flank so he might not be a classic option to start with but you certainly be a draft option I reckon
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah. Lucky Hunter. Yeah. That's, that's an interesting one. Couple of dogs. Oh, Tobes used to love Tobin McLean back in the day. He has been carving the VFL and butters. Oh, that is as well. You got a option for us, mate. Lose fallen stars of 2023.
00:50:19
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to pick the low hanging fruit here and I'm going to say Brody Grundy with the caveat that he gets a trade away from Collingwood and ends up, there's talk of him maybe ending up in Hawthorne, which I think would be interesting or even Geelong if he goes to Geelong. I'm not picking him if he goes to Port, but yeah.
00:50:39
Speaker
He has, if he goes to Geelong, he has potential to push back up to that 105 plus range. We see what blitzarves and stuff can do in that rock roll there. So I'm going to pick that one. Roland Marshall obviously is the obvious one, but if they decide to play that two-rock system, which I'm going to die on this hill, I still firmly believe that St Kilda played better football when Marshall is the backup rock and not the main rock.
00:51:05
Speaker
He's definitely an option, but yeah, if he's playing in a 2-ruck system, then I think you have to rule him out.
00:51:11
Speaker
We were expecting big things from him this year and it just didn't work out. New coach, you need to see it in the pre-season of course, but I think he's going to back in the talent. So if you go back to the early Hawthorn days, it's exactly what he did. Strong game plan, keeping it really simple and back in the talent to develop.
00:51:37
Speaker
I've got one player based on, I think you guys are mentioned based on if a trade happens and one, and just a couple based on if they stay in their team, but I've got to give my, my boy a shout out here. 71.8 average for Braden Fairini off 13 games. If he goes to another club, like even you guys would admit there's 20 plus points upside in basically any other club. If he's going to get a regular role in the midfield.
00:52:03
Speaker
Didn't you say, what clubs are you going to get a regular role in the midfield though? That's kind of the crux 22, isn't it? Honestly, anywhere. He's a gun. No. Saints. Saints would be a good one. Like, they don't have that second sort of tier of midfielders that need a bit. I think he'd be fantastic there. Anyway, obviously, I haven't seen anything about him requesting a trade, but priced at 70 for a guy that's gone a ton before, like, please.
00:52:32
Speaker
Um, please. And the other ones. Sorry. Please. Patty Dow.
00:52:39
Speaker
No, the other ones. Oh, you want to go Matt Crouch? No, I was just going to see if you wanted to suggest it. The players, I've already had my turn. No, I want to say basically any West Coast midfielder, veteran, Sheed, Yo, or Tim Kelly. I think next year, this was their worst possible year. They pretty much threw in the towel and wanted to tank to get a better pick.
00:53:03
Speaker
They'll bring in a top three pick next year, welcome back Campbell Cheser, their top pick from this year. Hopefully have a healthy McGovern, Oscar Allen and Nick Nat, and they'll just be a much better team and actually allow guys like a Tim Kelly who's priced, I think like 80, a Yo who's going to be priced, super under priced, a Sheed even who I think we haven't seen the best of him if he gets a full-time inside midfield role.
00:53:26
Speaker
Probably any West Coast player, I think, you know, guys like Redden and stuff will move out and they'll just move straight in there. And there's plenty of upside as well. I'd say for, for next year. And if they are fallen stars, cause they've all averaged over a ton before, I think at least, um, uh, yo and Tim Kelly have. All right. Has, has Tim Kelly average over a hundred? Surely. No, no, no. Okay. I thought he has once.
00:53:54
Speaker
All right, that's our awards, but I want to go through our, we've got a couple of things left. We've just got our questions from the listeners. We've got a Safi thank yous of course, but what's our biggest lessons learned from this year to finish up this nice little recap show we've
Lessons and Strategy Adjustments
00:54:12
Speaker
got? Who wants to kick us off here?
00:54:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'll go first. I played a pretty straight bat this year and ended up with 18 forced trades. So nine rounds in a row where I had to use two trades. So couldn't upgrade at all. So it's hard to look back and say this is the lesson. It's the only thing I can pinpoint it right now.
00:54:36
Speaker
is maybe falling into the trap of looking at players' previous history rather than what's happening right now. So players like Tom Mitchell, Degoie and those types sort of come into my team as I'm going. So that's reflective on previous years rather than what's happening right now.
00:55:01
Speaker
Lou, have you got any major lessons? Yeah, I've just added one. Originally, I just had DOS still isn't any good at fantasy sports, but I thought I might expand on that. That's a good lesson. Look, I got caught... I got caught in the trap of being too involved with fantasy and not actually understanding the context behind some footy games, so
00:55:26
Speaker
I might go in with a VC or a captain option with one player who seemingly has a good matchup but they were three and four in the latter and it ends up being an arm wrestle and nobody really scores anything because it's one of those games. It's just they need to get the win. So I think just understanding from a football sense what's going on sort of removing fantasy which sort of sounds counterintuitive but seemed to work for me for the last couple of weeks.
00:55:55
Speaker
Don't mind that one, man. Kyle. Yeah, mine's one that I was hoping I'd learnt off in 2021, but clearly didn't really act on it enough in 2022. And that's understanding when players are on inform and going on these runs and not being afraid to jump. So in 2021, it was after the buy, it was Jack Steele, it was Took Miller, it was Jared Lyons, it was those three players that
00:56:25
Speaker
you know, went at 125 to 130 after the buy. And really, if you didn't get on them, they got away from you. And you just think, you know, they're going to come back. They're going to come back to the pack, but they don't. They just keep going. And this year it was it was Sam Docherty. It was Jordan Dawson. It was Rory Laird, those three players. And you just think, I'll keep chipping away. I'll keep getting the value. I'll get up to them eventually. And
00:56:49
Speaker
they get away from you. So Sam Walsh goes 100 and Rory Laird goes 125 and that's 25 points a week. That just kills you in the end. So being able to understand when to get on these players is something that I really want to learn and get better at moving forward. And once again, I think I screwed my team up around the bye. So being smarter at the bye period.
00:57:10
Speaker
That's a really good one, Kyle. Docherty was almost going to be one of my best trade-ins despite paying absolute full price for him because for the next four weeks, nobody had Docherty in their sides. I only did it because I had a forced injury change. But for the next couple of weeks after that, none of the comp really had him and I was going up ranks every single week. So despite paying full price, I was actually sort of getting dividends from that.
00:57:38
Speaker
Yeah, and I remember talking to you about it, and I think at the time he was priced at maybe 105. This might have been a little bit earlier than you got him, and I was like, he's going to come back to the pack. None of the defenders are averaging over 100. He's going to come back, and he just didn't. It was him, it was Jack Sinclair, and it was Jordan Dawson. It was those three that went on that run of a 110 plus average for six to eight weeks.
00:58:02
Speaker
And here I was trying to get a Dan Houston or someone that I thought could match when it would have just been better to pay up and go for those guys. So I think you'll find that the coaches that did well this year in terms of Maddie Mottram and James and those guys were the quickest ones to get Docherty, Sinclair and Dawson in their side really in defence.
00:58:25
Speaker
Yeah, and probably, honestly, my way of trading or my biggest lesson learned this year is that I've got to
00:58:34
Speaker
tighten up the difference between my end of season trades versus my early season trades. Because my end of season, it's a regular theme where I come home strong, even though, yes, my ranking isn't as beautiful as you guys most years, every year. But my second half of the year, I always trade based on the data and based on these, like you're saying, guys that seem to be going well and I don't jump on all the right guys, but I certainly have jumped on
00:59:02
Speaker
a fair few of the better, especially pods in that back half of the year on a regular basis. It's the early season work that I get completely wrong. So that's definitely something that I'm needed to make up for. And I think I also want to really learn how to identify the teams in terms of matchup data. And I think it's something that like, you know, guys like Keep League and other places are probably going to try and do a bit better at in terms of,
00:59:27
Speaker
getting those like your scale of hardness, but trying to get that data a little bit earlier and trying to see that quite quickly and quite early in the season to identify.
00:59:37
Speaker
you know, okay, do I really need to go and get X player if they're going like 150 or is that just based on a very nice matchup and we're going to see them drop back to the pack. So also trying to chase those guys early. Like I mentioned, I brought in a Bailey Smith, for instance, very early in the season, thinking he's going to be that took Miller or that Jack Steele of the previous year. But if somebody's gone that bloody well, that early,
01:00:01
Speaker
They're going to start copying attention. I think you guys mentioned it to me. You flagged it. I still went for it. Those are the things that really kill me paying full price that early in the season. I think you can do it late in the season, Lou, when you've got that sample, when you need the run home. But early season, that's probably where I've need to improve. That's my lesson learned. Let's get some questions from the listeners before wrapping up here. We're going pretty late, but there's only a few questions to get through. Robbo.
01:00:28
Speaker
Hey fellas, thanks for all your work over the season and any feedback with all the questions. Thanks, Rollo. Finished off winning my league with a strong round of 23.84 with Walsh out as well. So he copped a Burgoyne 60. Just wanted a few opinions on some players I already have in mind for next year. And he knows it's early, but he wants to know what could these guys kind of average.
01:00:52
Speaker
And then he's just set at the end here. Thanks again for this year, lads. Hope you'll be back again next year. If you need a new member, let me know. He just finished in the top 5K so he can compete with DOS.
01:01:04
Speaker
Thanks Robbo, they might, the other lads might give you a call behind them back so just keep an ear out. These are the players he's talking about. Hayden Young, Sam Berry, Tim Kelly, Sam Walsh moving into Uber Premium status and Noah Anderson going up to maybe 110 average capable. Alright, we know Hayden Young is a big topic that you like talking about Stodo, what do you reckon he can average?
01:01:28
Speaker
next year. Yeah I think he's hopefully takes another little step up next year between in 90 and 95 the only problem is he's starting at 88 so it makes it really tough because if you're paying 88 as a starting player you want him to finish in the top six
01:01:44
Speaker
have to see how that off-season goes and how the pre-season goes. Yes, he has the potential, but there's a few in that free manner of defence that can collect the footy. So it's an interesting one, really like him, but I don't think at this stage unless there's a bit of restructure that he's a top six defender next year.
01:02:08
Speaker
Sam Barry, Louis, 84 average and 20 years old, getting plenty of midfield clock already. Could you see him taking a big step up next year? Oh, look, he'd have to find a lot more ball toss. I think he's averaging over 10 tackles a game, which is 40 points. So he's really averaging about 45 for the season. I'd have to say it very early, but unless he starts winning some major ball, I'm not interested at all.
01:02:35
Speaker
Fair enough. Tim Kelly, I've already spoke about him. I think he's not too bad an option. But Kyle, what do you reckon? 84 is his average for this season. Can he go better next year?
01:02:46
Speaker
Yeah, Doss, he can definitely improve, but not enough to be a starting option in classing, I don't think. You did mention it that the older midfielders are going to go out and the newer midfielders are going to come in and he's going to have more of a prominent role. But what that means is he's going to get the tag and the attention from the opposition. And we've seen that he has a serious, serious flaw in terms of a four possession game this year on Windhager.
01:03:11
Speaker
He's going to have his big games, but he's going to have his floor games, and he's not an option for us in Classic, unfortunately. Kyle, staying with you, mate. Does Sam Welsh become an Uber premium next year? And I think he's just meaning, you know, up in that top, top end of fantasy players, you know, your 1-10s to 20s. Yeah, look, we know fantasy is not linear, so we would have just expected him to improve again this year, but we forget how good he's been as such a young player.
01:03:39
Speaker
I don't think so. I love him as a player, but he has found his way out of the midfield now. So last year when he was that uber premium for us, he had that more inside role where he was able to get more tackles and build his score that way. Whereas this year, he's been off the half forward flank a lot more. I think his CBA's have reduced to somewhere between 40 and 50%.
01:03:59
Speaker
which means that for him to go 120 plus he's pretty much having to go 35-40 possessions and it's just not sustainable so I think that's the role that they prefer and they prefer to have you know Hewitt Kennedy in there doing more of the grunt work and they can get it to him on the outside so he can be more damaging that way.
01:04:16
Speaker
So for that reason, I don't think he's going to average 110 plus. However, I do love him and there will be a season at some point where he takes that leap and he's that uber premium for us. I'm just not sure when it's going to be. Noah Anderson to wrap it up, Stado. Do you reckon he can, what do you reckon he can average next year? He went at 98 this year. He wants to know, Robbo wants to know if he can go 110.
01:04:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think he would take another jump up. I don't know if he gets to the 110 level yet. So he's trying to build a bit of consistency. Last three average was 100. He has shown he's got a bit of a ceiling.
01:04:54
Speaker
So he has that potential. I don't mind him as a bit of a risky crack at a top eight. And he's going to have lower ownership. So he's going to be a real pod player. I certainly think he's capable. I just wouldn't bet on it.
01:05:15
Speaker
Let's just start quickly. This is a bit of a lesson learned as well. So in the pre-season, you're going to have all these podcasts come out, and they're going to put up all these players. And every man and their dog is going to say that this player that's averaging 85 can easily be our 100 averaging player and really take that jump. But let's take Sorong and Noah Anderson both this year. They were both priced mid 80s to I don't think Anderson was low 90s. They were both mid 80s.
01:05:43
Speaker
And every man and their dog was like, yep, Sorong can average 100 plus easy. Noah Anderson can do that as well. And Sorong averaged 86 and Anderson averaged 97. So it is not an easy thing to average over 100 plus in fantasy. And you just need to keep that in your mind when picking these players. Because, yeah, it's quite difficult and only the really elite teams have multiple players averaging over 100. It's not a normal thing.
01:06:09
Speaker
Yeah, he's spot on Kyle and I reckon Noah Anderson in 2023, he's got a bit of the Jai Simpkins about him in this current AFL fantasy season where we thought he might pop, but there's always a chance that he may not. So I think he's, he might jump up to 105 and maybe a little bit further in the future, he'll be a gun. You know, what I will say with him is he hits all stat lines and he at the moment is a bit of a butcher of the footy as well. So I reckon if you're gonna say like,
01:06:38
Speaker
he does fit the mold of a future fantasy gun so I could see a scenario but yeah it's interesting I also remember I picked him as one of my pods last week Kyle with the Kyle and Dossio show that we have in the final round of the year and it just reminded me because he was one of my pods for the listeners and if they chose him he went 114. Another pod I had which the headphones were almost off for
01:07:04
Speaker
107 from one Dan Hanneberry. Kyle, thoughts? We're just going to wrap the episode up here, guys. See you in 2023 and I just quit the podcast because I just can't deal with this shit anymore. Just can't do it. Good luck, everyone. Just a few more questions, boys. Matt McClure, more of a statement, lads. Thanks for another great year. Love your work and banter. Can't wait for next season.
01:07:31
Speaker
How often do you do all the right trades all year, but as soon as you get to luxury trades, you get burnt, i.e. trading out sick dog with three or four weeks to go for Tom Stewart, rob out, marshal in, bury out Bailey Smith in, had so many primos fail in the last two to three weeks. You boys have both been up the pointy end as well. What can you do to avoid that sort of knee jerk kind of trades, if you will?
01:07:59
Speaker
This is where those trades go to the right batch ups, but you can never stop an unpredicted tag or an injury. So sometimes it's just a little bit of bad luck. Now, I would say Berry to Bailey Smith is a really good trade. It just didn't work out this time.
01:08:16
Speaker
Um, this is where this game, it's a lot about strategy, but there's a bit of luck that goes with it as well. Um, and luck can be the change of a coach's mind for someone's role. Uh, best way to sort of explain that is the, the circular ruck model. They weren't even eligible to play finals or make the finals in Tom Campbell's, the number one ruckman for round 23.
01:08:40
Speaker
You just can't pick that stuff. And it's it's amazing. I avoided Marshall because they named about five weeks earlier Tom Campbell. So I got scared off. Campbell was the laid out and then he blitz for four weeks. But who knew that he was going to get what was it? Forty seven in the last round.
01:09:03
Speaker
Yes, question. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, you just stayed on out in terms of looking at the matchups and Murphy's law says that you trade them out and you get burned. So at the start of the season, you make those trades knowing that the cream will rise to the crop and over a long period of time, that player will average more.
01:09:21
Speaker
But you just hope that you don't get burned at the end of the season. So you can't really help that Bailey tag baby Smith tag For example was random and out of the blue and likes they don't mention sometimes it just doesn't work out But you just chip away and and have a crack anyway at the matchups and just do what you can
01:09:39
Speaker
This question comes from Louis. I'm pretty sure it's just our Louis. Louis here. Is Rosie a must-have for next season and will he keep forward status? Louis, do you want to answer your own question, mate? Yeah, mate. I'll answer my own question. No, he's no chance to keep forward status if you ask me and he's going to be a mid only. He's going to be priced at 88, which I think makes him far from a must-have as well.
01:10:03
Speaker
I do believe that he's got 10 points upside in him easily if he doesn't get the tag and all things go right, but I wouldn't be throwing around must-have for Conor Rosie price at 88.
01:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, this is that perfect example of fantasy not being linear and him bursting onto the scene and having a really good back half of the year. But that doesn't mean that it's just going to roll straight in and he'll pick up where he left off in round one. So definitely not a must have, but definitely a watch in pre-season to see how that midfield lines up and how he's tracking health and fitness wise.
01:10:41
Speaker
He's a must have for Dossi, so I haven't learnt anything this year boys. All right, Taser, sorry for the long question. With more senior coaches coming from a Richmond lineage, Hardwick, McCray, Kingsley now for GWS, and playing a Richmond slingshot direct style, and he wants to add in Hawthorn and Geelong here,
01:11:00
Speaker
Should this be a massive early indicator of fantasy relevance next season, the most fantasy relevant players seemed to come from more possession based teams like your swans, freo, crows and dogs. Should we think hard before picking up a Richmond or a Collingwood Toronto next year or predict a fantasy drop from the Giants?
01:11:25
Speaker
That's an interesting question from Taser. Stado, what are your, oh, Lou, you've got this. Yeah, well we spoke about it in the pre-season that Craig McCray was coming from a Richmond based system and that Collingwood would probably lower their possessions and that's what happened for the remainder of the year. So, I think Taser's spot on and it's seriously impressive that he's identified that as early as what he has.
01:11:51
Speaker
Uh, that being said, I think that, um, Toronto at Richmond or Conakwood is still going to be, be a jet. So, uh, and also to tack onto that, um, Richmond, I think are going to become the old news and everybody will start, um, poaching, Melbourne's coaches and start using the Melbourne system because teams that are actually using the Richmond system aren't, um, aren't performing as well. And even Richmond's pivoted away from that a little bit.
01:12:22
Speaker
All righty, that's it boys. That's all the questions for the year. That is the end of the Pod Pod for 2022. We hope you enjoy the shows throughout the year. We've got a few thank yous to get through as well, but I just wanted to shout out because Timmy Guest, he's been a long time listener. He gave us a DM. I think he's now become a major sponsor of the AFLW competition. He's been a big supporter of ours throughout the year. So we just wanted to shout out
01:12:49
Speaker
Him and also the AFLW fantasy competition run by Mirera's magic So if you want to get around that and keep playing your fantasy footy over the next 10 rounds of AFLW fantasy competition I've just made my team today and there's a few good content creators out there that you can follow for some of that I know there's the free kick pod I think they they featured on the hat chat the other week and
01:13:13
Speaker
But yeah, there's now a prize pool thanks to Tim and his company have supported that. So there's I think five grand total, 3K for the winner, 1K for second and 500 for third, and a few round prizes as well. So jump on board that. I mean, unfortunately the top prize is already going to Dossy, but you can always come second. Now, thank yous. We want to just give a bunch of thank yous out.
01:13:36
Speaker
Just each and every one of you who's listened to the show throughout the year, thank you to the subscribers for the in-season podcast as well. Of course, we thank you very much for jumping on board, becoming a member of the Kepa League. Everyone that sent messages our way or just asked questions throughout the year, the questions obviously make up a good part of the show, so we couldn't have done it without you guys. And all the guests that came on and filled a few spots, like John Harmy came on multiple times. We had Nathan D.C., Sant from Hat Chat.
01:14:06
Speaker
Uh, sorry if I've missed anyone. I think that was, we didn't have a stack of guests this year, but it was a good, good little mix there. Um, and also just thanks to the Cape League pod for having us on their platform as well. So heff and Kays, um, for allowing us to be here. And lads, I just want to thank you guys. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Holmesy, Stado, Louie. It's been a great year, boys. Very much. And congratulations for getting entire inside the top 6,000. It's a, it's a marvelous. Well done. You've listened week in week out to our.
01:14:37
Speaker
Thanks, mate. Appreciate it. Onwards and upwards next year. The Lux is mine. All right. See everyone. And we shall see you when we see you. Thanks, everyone.