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This week Lisa will be going to South Africa to tell the story of Moses Sithole who committed the ABC Murders from 1994 through 1995. His crimes took place in the Atteridgeville and Cleveland suburbs of Johannesburg, along with other Providences, but he terrorized these communities through rape and murder of multiple women.
Trigger Warnings: Rape, Abuse
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Introduction to Twisted Tales Podcast
00:00:01
Speaker
Hi and welcome to Twisted Tales hosted by Faith and Lisa. And this is an episode where our show podcasts where we tell each other two crime stories. We try to find things that the other one hasn't heard or maybe leave out a few important key details so the other one can react before they realize they know the case. So anyways, I hope you enjoy these opinions or ours and
00:00:28
Speaker
There could be wrong, just like yours could be wrong, but let's just enjoy it and have fun. We'll just go with
Discovery of Human Corpses
00:00:34
Speaker
it. Tonight, unfortunately for you all, it's my turn to talk. I will be telling you guys a story that starts now.
00:00:43
Speaker
September 17th, 1995. In the continent of Africa, a police officer had the day off and just went out hunting for rabbits. I would like to stop and say, we have one whole listener in Africa, so this is for you right now. We're very excited you're here. Continue. Absolutely. And I also, I hope I do good. Anyways, yep, hunting for rabbits. As he approached a particular area,
00:01:13
Speaker
All he could smell was literally just death. So as he continued on his hunt, he stumbled onto a human corpse. But the more he sort of looked around, there was a lot. A lot of what? All bodies. Ah, I know. Dead, excellent dead human bodies. Don't be grown.
00:01:37
Speaker
In a nutshell. Yeah. All in different stages of decomposition. So some of them were like kind of recent. Some of them had been there for a good minute. But that stunk. He contacted authorities and the police arrived.
Trigger Warnings and Victim Descriptions
00:01:57
Speaker
And so before I go any further with anything, we'll go ahead and just shoot out the trigger warnings, rape, murder, and my, say it fast, infant murder. I don't like it.
00:02:09
Speaker
All right. So the first victim was found in 1994 and then two more after that. And they were finding, when they found these bodies, they were all bound with their own articles of clothes. He raped them and strangled them again with their own articles of clothing. And one young mother was found, but not far from her was
00:02:39
Speaker
the infant son so we don't have far along that matters but well we'll get we'll get you know we'll get back to you know some of the in-depth in-depth stuff but the only thing that kind of like I really just stumped because
00:03:03
Speaker
Some of these victims and what I'm talking about were completely unidentified. They were never found. Like we didn't know their names or whatever. And these people were two of those victims. Were they all females? Yes, except for the one infant he was born. Gotcha. So the cops pretty much knew at that point they were looking for a serial.
Post-Apartheid Murders and Their Impact
00:03:34
Speaker
They were finding bodies once every two weeks, then once a week, and then twice a week. So his progression got pretty quick. They don't know at this point how long the oldest body is, correct? We'll have to dive back into that maybe in a later point.
00:04:05
Speaker
So like I said, they were at this point finding bodies twice a week. Panic ensued, of course, amongst the women. They were terrified. They were upset because they were like, OK, what's going on? We just found all these people in an abandoned area, basically, in the middle of nowhere. And we need to know what's going on.
00:04:34
Speaker
side note. So these murders were happening less than a year after the end of Aparthen. Aparthen? Aparthen. I apologize if we pronounce some of these words incorrectly. Apartheid, I believe. We are very southern. Apartheid. Okay, what is what is
00:04:58
Speaker
What is that? So, I'm glad you asked. Apparently, it was the segregation between the whites and blacks from 1948 to 1994. It's a long gap, okay? Definitely. I feel like 1990s were like last year, though, so... Yeah, it's because you were 40. I'm always going to be just a little younger, honey. Yeah.
00:05:28
Speaker
So in a nutshell, all the blacks were trapped in Long Beach by the white government. OK? That's messed up. They were told, I'm not even close, OK? They were told where to live, where to work. They were told what bathrooms they had to use. Don't look at me like that. It's dead serious. OK? And I mean, these people were treated
00:05:57
Speaker
absolutely, horribly, just plain and simple. They tried to rebel. They, you know, they did everything that they could, but every strike they took was met with hostility completely. So, even when they, just no matter what they did, it wasn't good enough to help out the cause at that time. And so, it finally ended in 1994.
00:06:26
Speaker
And so now 1994, where we're creeping up on 95, and now the black community has another reason to be afraid. Were all the victims darker skinned? Yes, all of them. Oh, well. This is why I don't leave my house. It wouldn't matter if you left your house in that time period. They were going to be, you know, tripping like garbage no matter what.
00:06:56
Speaker
that's just yeah the infinite mysteries of an evil mind sorry guys we'll get back to the point um so you know like I said they were all thrown back into it and I know it was just the the women
00:07:17
Speaker
that took on the brutality of the majority of this, but these women were mothers, they were wives, they were daughters, they were sisters, so really it affected everyone. And honestly, it just hurts my heart where people have to live through, but that's neither here nor there. So I'm not gonna name any names yet, we'll wait till later on to,
00:07:43
Speaker
to get to that. So we'll just call him this man for the moment. This man's first victim of rape was his own girlfriend's sister in 1987. He left her tied up in her own clothing and he took off running. Okay. She got free, but she didn't report him because she was scared that he'd kill him.
00:08:12
Speaker
Which would probably be a pretty natural response, considering, like, you know this guy. Yeah. Like, this is your girlfriend's, or your sister's, boyfriend. Yeah. You're going to have to see this man again. Oh, and if not, if it was my sister, it'd be if I had a sister. Well, then what, James? You dumped his, you dumped his sorry butt, and you reported to the police. Yeah, I'm not ashamed. Or you shoot him in the head. I was shanked him. That's just me. Yeah.
00:08:42
Speaker
I'm not exactly, you know, known for great opinions. So, uh, but again, dude, again, if I was in her situation at that point in time and I knew I had to see him again tomorrow, I mean, lips locked, we'll close that up. I'm wearing flip Q and I'm not going to say. I'm not going to see him again. Not like a, a machete. We don't know that because you don't know what, what the culture is like.
00:09:12
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, most women aren't even believed when they talk about rape to begin with. I mean, you know, like, parents who are like, my kid would never, you know. In a nutshell, I guess I ain't no victim of shame or blame here, buddy. It just is what it is. Life happens and sometimes you can pretend on the outside that you know exactly what you would do, but in the heat of the moment, none of us do.
00:09:40
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All right. Yep. All right. So again, she didn't record. He had a couple more assault victims after that, the women that he raped and then he threatened to kill all of them and they, they all kept quiet. And I just think that he kept getting away with it because he struck so much fear into the hearts of these women that they just couldn't.
Sittole's Manipulation Tactics
00:10:10
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You know what I mean? So anyway, the man met a woman named Doris. He told her that he was a businessman from a different town. And at that time, all these women, they had just come out of this hostile environment. Everyone's looking for work. Everyone's looking for the next best thing. So he basically just took advantage of that.
00:10:37
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I'm sure he had his own slick little lines and whatever that he would say to convince somebody to come with him. So he said he could employ her. He then told her that he would take her there. They got to the train station. He said, hey, you know what? I know a shortcut. And so they went off. I'm sorry. There is never a shortcut by a train station. But a lot of it's got to be cultural, too.
00:11:04
Speaker
Nothing ever happens good in dark alleyways by train stations. This isn't dark alleyways. This is, you've been there in South America. This is Africa, not South America. Yeah, I know. That meant to say Africa. Hey guys, I'm going to go study a map real quick. I'll be back in like an hour. Oh, you're dumb dumb. Hey!
00:11:34
Speaker
All right, we're back to Africa. I submit, I am a tool. All right, so South Africa. There are some planes there, I know that. Not planes like the flying kind, like planes like mass. Plan quantities. Thank you. You just almost have to finish. It's fine, you win. All right. Now I'm gagging, that's great. There's gonna be some dropping out. All right, anyways.
00:12:02
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so he uh he's like yeah i know a shortcut let's go so they walk on together um he got her a pretty good ways away and he tied her up with her own undergarments yet again and assaulted him he um actually apparently like the way he did it he would he would keep like a nice like machete type thing folded in the newspaper under his arm so like he's just a dude walking around with a newspaper
00:12:29
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but then he gets his moon alone and he whips a thing out and he's like, you know, obey or die in a nutshell. Okay? Okay, so let's go with your theory that, you know, we're back in South America by the train station. I can tell you any kind of animal that lives in South America. We're not talking about, we're in Africa. I know, I just have a really bad memory, apparently, and it needs to take way better notes. Okay, so...
00:12:59
Speaker
You said the train station isn't in this dark alleyway, whatnot, right? This is what I think, I think all train stations are in shady areas. Right. Well, this isn't New York City. This is, this is a different color. Here's my thing. Right. I'm trying to ignore your geographical lesson that you're giving people. So if, if there, if, if the train station is in like a heavier populated area, how far are they, are they going to walk away from the train before she realizes, uh-oh,
00:13:30
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Well, I mean, honestly, from what I see, he's like, I know shortcut. Well, we can just head up this way. And we'll be there like lickety-split, right? And it's not, at that time, again, these women don't need super convincing. This is a job. This is an opportunity for them, for their families in a situation where they just came out of something that was just so destructive. In their life, they had nothing. They had nothing.
00:14:00
Speaker
I guess so. A crime of opportunity, basically. We've never lived that, though. We've never been so desperate for work that we would follow some guy out somewhere. Again, and it's a cultural thing. This could be possibly a normal thing. I don't know, guys. And if this is not a cultural thing, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:14:28
Speaker
But I'm saying, like, most normal people, we all have this innate trust in us to say, this guy looks genuine. No, see, there's my problem. Well, not everybody lives in fear of walking to the mailbox and being attacked by a raptor, Faith. That's you. Listen, pump the brain. My thing is,
00:14:58
Speaker
is you never walk off with someone you don't know. Like I was listening to podcasts today and hashtag Russ for president was talking about how like you should just never make it easy. And his wife kept saying, well, you just don't know. Well, you just don't know. Sometimes fighting makes it worse. Well, if someone tries to take me, I would like to think, I mean, they're going to be injured in the trial. Now I'm not a swindler lady.
00:15:31
Speaker
I'm big boned. Um, but I'm gonna fight tooth and nail like you're gonna be hurt. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. These women weren't going under the impression, hey, dude's about to rape me. They're going under the impression that there is an opportunity over the hill that could change my life.
00:15:52
Speaker
that's that's where that's no but you have to be able to understand what you have to be able to see both ends of the spectrum you are not being very reasonable i'm not being very reasonable because there's nothing there's no there's no way in haiti's i won't even help a little lady on the side of the street because it could be a con and she could have some criminal in the back of her car ready to plug me over the head and try to take me back to there later well guys um you remember how we always say that there's like a
00:16:22
Speaker
There's really no way of explaining human rationality. I think we just found it with faith. And so I'm going to continue on. I'm not saying I disagree with you at all. What I'm saying is this is what happened. No, not just this was what happened. It's the opposite end of the spectrum of people who don't live in the United States who actually have camaraderie
00:16:51
Speaker
as their culture, whereas in the US we don't. Look where that got Doris. Doris? So is Doris the problem here,
Sittole's Arrest and Troubled Past
00:17:01
Speaker
Faye? No, no, no. Well, that's what you're making it sound like right now. And I need you to retract. Why don't you go back to South America and talk about the African situation? You can make fun of me for my Mac rut row, but we can't
00:17:19
Speaker
Unvictimize the victim here. I'm not, I'm not victim blaming at all, but I'm just saying. No, I know you're trying to be logical. But again, again, I'm going to. Don't go with strange people. Yeah. Well, and again, I'm going to say like, you, you never know how you're going to respond in a situation until you're in a situation. No, because more than likely I just start crying and keep it before. Yeah, more than likely. But at least you're honest. Yeah. Continue.
00:17:50
Speaker
all right so we were at Doris tied her up ran away um told her i won't kill you if you don't tell anybody you know that's kind of been his his whole MO through this entire thing so so did she live she did she did live he took off uh she got herself loose and a few months later she saw this butt nugget
00:18:20
Speaker
and called the cops. I believe they were at the train station where I think that's what happened. Way to go Doris. Okay, so she called the cops and he was arrested. And he was put in the backseat of the cop car with Doris. What? Yes. What? Are you kidding me?
00:18:46
Speaker
I don't, I don't know how things work in other countries. I'm not going to pretend to know, but to me, that's a little bit. Common sense. You don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. What happened to Doris? Oh, just wait. Just wait. So he gets in the car. He sees Doris sitting there and said, and I quote, are you ready? I had a dramatic pause.
00:19:15
Speaker
Okay, I'm ready. Said, quote, bitch, I should have killed you when I had the chance. What? Were the cops in the front seat? Uh-huh. Oh my gosh. Right. No, no, no. Then he gets there, right? And during the interrogation, he's like, man, she picked the wrong guy. It wasn't me. You just said I was like. All right. Please tell me he doesn't get out of jail.
00:19:45
Speaker
We're not even close. Just breathe. And exhale, exhale. Brown paper baguette if you have to. So that's what he claimed. She picked the wrong guy. I had nothing to do with this. And, you know, naturally, nobody believed him. Right? Because he's already said I should have killed you when I had the chance. Yeah. Oh, OK. So.
00:20:14
Speaker
He wound up being sentenced and he got thrown into jail for seven years. Good. So then, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna speak to his name out. If I mispronounce this name though, I'm sorry because I really am not good with names. His name was Moses Sittole. Sittole? Sittole, or Sittole is what I heard from
00:20:44
Speaker
Why are you looking at me like that? Because I think I know the name you said you wanted to call over. I can't bully people's last names, but I wanted to. And I know what you wanted to call over. You take away my joy, Faith. So I'll take a second and I'll just discuss his background for a little bit.
00:21:12
Speaker
And this is gonna be... Let the justification begin. No, it was, it was odd to me. Like, when I'm about to tell you what I'm saying, like, it's just, I find it just weird. Okay? So, as I said in the beginning, from 1948 to 1994 was a brutal time. Yeah. Okay? You know, people were being just... He grew up in a world where if the color of your skin looked a certain way,
00:21:42
Speaker
You were treated like you were nobody. Now, what color, what? Black. So he went after his own people, though. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. So you think he would at least justify it by going after his persecutors? Well, we'll get there. OK. All right. So like I said, at that point, if you stood up and tried to defend yourself,
00:22:12
Speaker
you were met with legal force. All right. Basically, the color of your skin dictated your entire future. So the world at that point, his world, literally was out to get him. Yeah, 100%. Okay. But that is not the main focus when he told his story. Okay. And that to me,
00:22:41
Speaker
Was the was the oddest part of this whole thing like there's so much trauma going on in the world right now But that's that's not what we're gonna discuss. So What he said this was according to him He was abused by his alcoholic mom abused by his sister forced to have sex at an early age Nothing was really said much about his dad other than that. He died when he was younger after his dad died the mom put them into an orphanage and
00:23:11
Speaker
and the abuse continued in the orphanage. And at some point, according to him, he ran away back to his mom. The mom basically told him, go back to the orphanage and shut the door in his face. Did she get rid of the sister, too, or just him? From all accounts, I think he was the youngest at that point. He was like eight. OK. So we'll move on from that. He apparently escaped again after that, found his brother.
00:23:41
Speaker
and starts working like within a matter of, you know, couple of weeks, whatnot. And he basically just hates all women. Okay. So again, now we've got two traumatic things going on. And again, you know, with a kid, you, you know, you've got fear outside the home. You've got fear inside the home. But again, the focus here,
00:24:10
Speaker
Your mentality here is focusing solely on the people that you feel like hurt you, even though the outside people are hurting you as well. We're not going to take out this anger on them. We're taking our anger out on all women because women screwed him over, even though his country screwed him over and his government screwed him over. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like that's, these are the things that don't like
00:24:35
Speaker
with me, and I don't know anything when it comes to psychology or sociology or anything like that, but this is just an outside opinion why he chose to focus on those things and not the other things that were happening. You know, why these other people went through this absolute horrific point in time, you know, 48 to 94.
00:25:02
Speaker
It's a long time, but not one of them are going out saying, I'm going to kill every white man that I see. Or, you know what, I'm going to retract that because I don't actually know that fact. But according to, you know, his story and whatnot, but his just his quote unquote justification, because I always say unless it affects you, people don't change. Like sometimes got to affect them to make them change.
00:25:28
Speaker
So while Africa was going through this horrible bloodbath racism situation, it affected everyone on the same level, based off skin tone, which is horrific. But it was across the board. Like he wasn't sought out. He wasn't special. He was being, he was being discriminated against just like everyone else of his skin tone. Right. However, his mother and his sister abusing him and then the abuse he suffered at the orphanage under the women there.
00:25:57
Speaker
That affected him alone. He was victimized. He was hurt. Not everyone, his other brothers weren't given away, his other brothers to his knowledge weren't victimized. He was. So he hates women based off that fact. His experience is what drafted his personality. I agree with him or anything else, but I can see why.
00:26:24
Speaker
That would be the driving factor of what he did is because you can't change the whole system. You can't change the whole government by yourself, but I can sure as heck cause some pain on those that caused me personally pain. But he didn't. In his mind, women aren't the problem. Not his mom or his actual sister. It was women just in general. Again, a line that I don't understand. No, I'm not saying I agree with you at all, but I can continue.
00:26:51
Speaker
So we'll jump back into the current story. So meanwhile, now he's in jail. As he should be. He winds up meeting one of his inmate's sisters while he was in prison.
Sittole's Post-Prison Manipulations
00:27:03
Speaker
When he got out, they hooked up. Oh, because she came to visit her brother or whatnot? OK, I was going to say, how did he meet her? OK. I'm back on it. You're good. Continue. That's all right. Her parents absolutely hate me. Rightly so.
00:27:18
Speaker
Good. How long did he stay in jail? The whole seven years? Yes. Good. Way to go. He wound up working with his not quite wife. Technically, they were never married. OK. But they were like married in quotes. So like a common law marriage type of thing. In a nutshell. OK. Yeah. I'm with you. Anyways, he wound up working with his brother-in-law. I think, yeah, as a mechanic. Sorry, they were fixing up cars.
00:27:48
Speaker
So this guy basically got out of jail, did his time, did his thing, and he had a brand new story. He's fixing a car. He's making good money. Things are going pretty well. And I guess for him it was just kind of an opportunity to
00:28:10
Speaker
perfect his craft, I guess, for lack of a better word, that I can figure out. So is the girlfriend like a cover? Because if he hates women, how does he have this pseudo wife? I don't know. Why do any of them? I don't know. You know, there's been so many people that have been married, wind up killing their own families or never touch their wives, but murder, you know, 15 different women, right? Yeah. I mean, there's just so many different aspects of the human mind that
00:28:39
Speaker
I don't get down. It's a research that will never end. Um, so not long after he started being a mechanic, he actually quit and started walking around with his folded newspaper saying he was looking for a job. So basically he's telling all of his in-laws, like, I'm going to go look for a new job. This is not for me. Okay. So he came up with such an elaborate scheme.
00:29:09
Speaker
to war these women, like it was insane. From different accounts, he had a great personality, a great smile. Women actually felt comfortable around him, okay? So,
00:29:34
Speaker
Oh man, okay. So I was watching an interview with one of these psychology people, and they were like, these women fell for his charm very easily. So these, I'm sorry, it was these middle class women who fell for his charm. And I hate when we're segregating things now. Like somebody who,
00:30:05
Speaker
middle class would be able to in fight into their homes Right, uh-huh so it's basically saying of middle class so like It annoys me because they it just makes people feel like they're stupid
00:30:29
Speaker
No, they're just for words. Like the high mucky muck people would never fall for something like this, right? No. Whatever. So this word that I'm not allowed to say, Lord Women, who were desperate for work by saying that he worked for a company called Youth Against Humanity. Okay. The so-called mission, and he actually had all of these statements like,
00:30:58
Speaker
This was his worries. If he just worked this hard on making a business... I thought it was exactly... It's like condoms. Like if you were half as hard on being legitimate as you do these elaborate things... Slacking off, right. Yep. You'd be golden. Just put some work into real things and not fake things. So he didn't want to work, he wanted to kill people because he's horrible. Well, no, okay, so the so-called mission, and you're not going to love this, was
00:31:32
Speaker
to reunite orphans with their families. And the more research that I did on this, I was like, had he actually come up with this and started a, you know, non-for-profit organization? This guy could have had life on a silver platter.
00:31:59
Speaker
If he worked that hard, like you just said, and he worked that hard coming up with a scheme on actually following through with that scheme. So he's, he's, he's smooth enough to be able to talk to people and put people at ease. Then he's got his nice little sob story and you get to make money helping people. Yeah. I still wouldn't fall for it cause I don't trust anybody. I don't know well, and I don't like people. So I still would be safe in my home alone. And we talked about that last week.
00:32:29
Speaker
What? If you die, it might not be your fault. We don't know. Okay. What a piece of crap. I know. I know. So, he made bogus resumes. Like, the whole nine. Yeah, I don't know. You keep looking at me with your mouth agape, and you're like...
00:32:53
Speaker
it's not it's not funny but it's it's it's your reactions are humorous all right it's just the lengths that somebody will go to fulfill their dream right I don't work that hard at it baby that's not true it's kind of true make a
00:33:20
Speaker
If you were following hard after something, you would absolutely want it. But I have to, like, seriously believe in a cause to work this hard. Well, he did, apparently. Right? So, he, you know, bogus resumes, the whole deal, like, just the whole nine. And in 1995, he contacted a photographer who got him in touch with Kid's Haven. Now,
00:33:48
Speaker
Let's just, let's- Someone was actually like, we like your cause. Let me hook you up with another cause. Yes. He was that convincing. So now let's backtrack for just a minute. When we were talking earlier about like why you would follow this guy in something. He wasn't just manipulating women. He was manipulating everyone. Everyone. He's a crap. People are
00:34:15
Speaker
beyond words, with what they are capable of thinking in and masterminding, right? Like Pinky and Brain, Brain always trying to take over the world, right? His ideas may have sucked, but some people don't. That was a weird reference, I don't know why that popped into my head. 90s kid, believe me alone, whatever. All right, so, he met his next victim, Trifina Mohosa.
00:34:43
Speaker
And again, if I said that wrong, I'm sorry. You did. I don't know how you say it correctly. I'm just saying. You just automatically assume I'm wrong? What a surprise. Mahosa, I believe. Okay. I did my best. All right. So her friend, Esther Malangu, remembered the day that she was taken.
00:35:13
Speaker
She came to work. She was happy. She was ready to take on an opportunity with Moses. Trifino was ecstatic. She was promised a sign-on bonus. She was promised just anything that a good job is going to offer you. The only problem was when Moses came in there, he actually revealed his real name. This woman, Esther, heard it.
00:35:42
Speaker
And so when the missing person report was filed, Esther just popped right up and was like, I know this guy. Let's see, Trafina wasn't found until a month later. She was one out of 10 women that were found in this one particular location.
00:36:11
Speaker
So I guess he maybe had multiple sites where he was just dropping victims.
Confession and Capture
00:36:20
Speaker
Because of Esther's eyewitness account, they finally had a name, Moses Tsutole. The police dug up a photo of him who was imprisoned years before for rape. You know, the woman in the back of the cop car?
00:36:42
Speaker
At some point, he kind of knows, because they plastered his face everywhere. They plastered his name everywhere. It was on mainstream media, flyers, hung up everywhere, newspapers, the whole line. So this creep actually started calling the press. Moses did? Yes. Of course he did. And so this is another one of those parts where I'm kind of
00:37:11
Speaker
taken aback by what, just, we'll get there. Let me bring myself back in. So, he calls the press and ends up speaking to this one woman. I didn't take her name down because I just didn't feel like it was relevant. And she started actually typing and logging the conversations that they were having. Okay.
00:37:39
Speaker
He said he was responsible for all these murders, all the things that were going on in that area. The woman reporter said they were building up trust and he seemed charming. How are you going to say he seems charming when he told you he's responsible for a body dump where he removed an infant from the mother's body? Yeah. How does that seem? How? Yeah.
00:38:07
Speaker
After after you know all that he basically confessed to her and said I killed a bunch of women He told her so some of the women When they would fight they were as strong as a man You have all these women Being victimized but fighting like hell and
00:38:38
Speaker
Whatever, I don't know. So the reporter asked him for proof. And so he was like, okay, your proof, here it is. This is the location of a body that y'all haven't found yet. And she called the cops, told them where he said the body would be, and they found the body there.
00:39:01
Speaker
This reporter, apparently, she felt bad for him. You didn't think her name was relevant? I want to shame her. I don't want to shame her because everybody's entitled to there. No, that's a lie. I don't care about other people's opinions. But I was really running low on space in my notes, and so I had to cut some stuff back. All right? So basically, there wasn't enough paper for her. And I kind of liked it that way.
00:39:27
Speaker
I don't like her. I don't either because I don't know how you feel bad for somebody like that. So after the officers had tracked that next call was when she made that comment. She said they tracked the phone call to the train station. He's using one of the payphones and the phone just went dead.
00:39:53
Speaker
And so she thought, oh my gosh, what if he had been shot or blah, blah, blah? He doesn't know. I will agree with that statement. Getting shot is too easy for him. Agreed. Agreed. I'm sure that wasn't her thought process. Maybe a couple pops in the knee socket joint area. Yeah, that way it hurts every time he walks for the rest of his life. Yeah, run away now. Run. Yeah. He did, in fact, get away.
00:40:21
Speaker
Oh man, okay. So now Moses is on the run. His picture's everywhere. He apparently though was actually shot at, but not so bad so. No, oh man, hold on, I skipped a part. Oh no, let me go back. Okay, so.
00:40:49
Speaker
Moses was on the run. They plastered. His face everywhere. Yeah, everywhere. That night he called the reporter again. He was pissed because she violated his trust. Moses called his brother-in-law and asked for a hookup, basically, for a gun. And the man was like, yeah, sure. I'll get you a gun.
00:41:17
Speaker
Do they not see his face plastered everywhere? Well, they did. That's why his brother-in-law called the cops. Oh, good brother-in-law! I like you, too. We're a smart person. We like those people. So, uh, yep. Call the cops.
00:41:33
Speaker
They set Moses up. He knew something wasn't right. And so he took off running again. So the officer chased him down. Moses swung at him with an axe. And the officer shot him multiple times. How does he just carry around an axe? Like a machete I get. An axe? Those are heavy. You know, not sure. Not hard on that.
00:41:59
Speaker
You don't just carry around an ass. That's a little suspicious. Hey, look what I found. I just want to cut some wood, guys. You hear me? Yeah. In the middle of a gun pickup, I was just going to stop for some firewood on my own. Why are you just going to carry it? At least the machete was concealed in the newspaper. How are you going to conceal an ass? What you got, and shove down your pant leg? You never know. I was going to make another comment, but I'm going to edit myself.
00:42:28
Speaker
And we're back to the story. So yeah, he did get shot. When he recovered from his wounds, the cops asked him if they had found all his victims. Oh, so they got him. They got him. Oh, yeah. He got taken down. All right? Way to go, Brother-in-law. So the cops asked him, like, have we found all of these women that you've murdered? And he replied with, I don't know. I wasn't with you.
00:43:01
Speaker
Yeah, dick alert. We just rang the bell at 10, okay? Yep. I hope they have like looser justice laws and that cop just B slapped him. In my mind, that's what just happened. It makes me feel better, continue. All right, so they weren't getting anywhere with the male cop, so they sent in a lady detective.
00:43:28
Speaker
And as he spoke with her about his crimes, he actually masturbated. Who? But didn't give any real details about any of it. They didn't stop him? They don't have his hands handcuffed? I'm sure they do, but if they're in front of him, he can still, like, you know... Put it on top of the table and nail that chain to the table! Well, apparently, he whacked off over his own crime. That is so dis... Oh, I... The B-slapping just happened again.
00:44:01
Speaker
So, see, it's harder not to curse, isn't it? You want to call them things, don't you? You want to call them so many bad words. So many things. So, when the trial came about, there were so many death threats against this dude. Good. Um, he was heavily guarded while he was in prison. Couldn't one of the guards go take this drug break or something? Like, hey guys.
00:44:26
Speaker
I had a burrito for lunch. I'm going to go to the bathroom for 30 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And just leave them. Something's sitting right, guys. And just one side of them open. Camera off. Click. Yep. I really hate how much we protect. See, OK. Stupid people protect these god awful people. Yet they put Doris in the back seat with him. That's not protecting her. But they will protect him. How is that OK?
00:44:57
Speaker
well I'm gonna go with it's not okay and agree with you like a hundred and ten percent because here's this woman saying this this is the guy that raped me this is a guy who threatened to kill me if I if I spoke up about it and they're all like hey why don't you guys ride together in the backseat it's a carpool yeah let's carpool but then they protect him like uh-huh
00:45:25
Speaker
all the hate so much hate all right let me go back to it for a minute so uh oh snap yeah while he was in um jail he actually got video recorded by another inmate i think it was the setup
00:45:44
Speaker
Honestly, I don't have proof of that. That's just... How else are you gonna have a video recorder? It was a setup. We're talking the 90s. He was being like super descriptive with this dude and just straight up like... You don't have cell phones recorded? That's a good reporter. Yeah, I strangled him. He asked like, how long does it take for someone to die when you choke them? He's like, you know, well it takes a few minutes for somebody to die by strangulation. It depends on how hard they're fighting. Like being really like pretty...
00:46:14
Speaker
vulgar in his description of what it's like to take human life. Okay, so he hated all women, basically, blah, blah, blah, which we've already heard.
Trial and Public Reaction
00:46:26
Speaker
So in 1996, Moses was charged in the High Court with 38 murders and 40 rapes. She's a geek. Yep.
00:46:40
Speaker
140 people testified for the state, including Esther, who's the one that got him captured in the first place. 140 people. Who's Esther? Esther was, um... Wasn't that the one at the beginning? No, no, no, no, no, hold on, um... Trifiemann. Yes, Trifiemann's friend. And it was her case that actually got him arrested. I had to go back up in my notes for a second. I'm sorry about that. Props to Esther. Oh, absolutely.
00:47:09
Speaker
For sure, for sure. So, 140 people testified against him. The recording was also played, so that pretty much just, you know, even after all these people testified against him, that's pretty much, you know, the straw that broke the camel, right? So, was his girlfriend reporter there? You know?
00:47:39
Speaker
I didn't look much back into her after the fact, because then I just feel really bitter with her. Well, you know, who doesn't feel bad for a serial rapist and murderer? You know? Ugh. I don't even know. So, I'm gonna get to one of my absolute favorite parts.
00:48:05
Speaker
Now, first of all, I'm just gonna go ahead and say, at that point in time, they had just abolished the death penalty in Africa, and so he wouldn't have been sentenced to death. But they had rallies, and the community came together and literally petitioned the court. For this death? No, petitioned the court that they would release him
00:48:35
Speaker
into their custody. I sat there after Brad read that. And I was like, why don't we do that here in the United States? Yes. Hell, yes. We should petition. Because look at me putting to us. These are upstanding citizens. They're law abiding citizens, right? And with that many people petitioning, you can't tell who did it. They're obviously in goo. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. They are upstanding people.
00:49:05
Speaker
They're not gonna hurt him. Bunch. Did they please tell me they released him into their destiny? Unfortunately no. Dang, that would have been the best thing we've ever- But I literally had to take a step back and also come here.
00:49:18
Speaker
Like in the U.S., who thought of that? In the U.S., like in the court system in the United States, can we petition to have these people released into the public's care? Like, there'd be some stonings, there'd be some lashing. They would see, like, Old Testaments.
00:49:40
Speaker
My god no the judge did not allow it But that apparently is a lot you're allowed to do that in Africa and I really want that to be a thing in the United States because I I just you want you want closure I got some closure right here guys Treating real nice
00:50:02
Speaker
Bless his heart, baby. Oh my gosh, that's the best. I wish we could have ended it on and the judge said yes. And he said yes. That would have been the best story. This is Africa. You could throw his body in the safari somewhere and no one's the wiser. Did you even kill him or a lion? There are so many animals out there. There wouldn't even be any evidence, man. That's what I'm saying. Oh, release him. Come on, judge. Yeah. I want to sign that petition.
00:50:34
Speaker
I don't know, we should look it up. We should. Okay, this is the United States, Tennessee, who has absolutely no opinion about what just happened whatsoever. I have an opinion. I always have an opinion. No, we have no actual
00:50:48
Speaker
reason for this. Dog in the race. Yeah, we have no dog in the race. Other than the fact that we're females, we want you to let him go to the general public. Oh my gosh. That's the best thing I've ever heard. Okay. Continue. Sorry. They go do like a humane checkup on him. He's like bruised and battered. And they're like, he fell. That would be bad. He tried walking down the stairs. Oh my God. That went too far.
00:51:17
Speaker
Alright. So, okay, so not only did he not get released to the general public, which sucked, right? This is not what I would consider a happy ending, so just go ahead and print yourself for this, okay? So, anyways, he was diagnosed with AIDS.
AIDS Diagnosis and Prison Treatment
00:51:46
Speaker
But because he was in the prison system, he was actually treated. That's some crap. For AIDS. No, no, no, no. Okay, no, no, got it. Have your opinion. Please, I'm sorry. No, if the general population can't be treated for the disease, which it is a problem in Africa, I've got a friend that lives in Africa right now, today. Yes.
00:52:10
Speaker
If the general people, even the poor people, can't get treatment, you shouldn't get treatment on the citizens dying because you murdered a good size of the chump. You know what? If the community has to pay for it, he should be released into their care. I'll pay for his treatment. Bring him here.
00:52:35
Speaker
I'd make one payment. I'd be like, oh, meh. Dining natural causes, guys. What do you mean? What do you mean, drug behind in vehicles and natural cars? I don't. I don't want to get on a soapbox. No, we're not. And this is going to really end on a very disappointing note, because his daughter and wife, that he had the young lady that he met in prison, that had a child together,
00:53:03
Speaker
They were also diagnosed. They did not get treated because they were good people and lived by the law. But he got treated in prison and got to live a long life being taken care of by the community. He was sentenced to like 2,000 years. Really? Is he still alive? Yeah. Actually, I'm not sure. I'd have to look that back up.
00:53:33
Speaker
Yeah, I actually did research to look and see if his wife and kid were still alive and there was no info on his wife and child because, but I can only assume though, this is 95, they're either struggling pretty bad or I would think, but the only thing that you can find on any of it, it's not the victims, it's not, you know, cause I Googled a bunch of different ways and I researched a bunch of different ways,
00:54:02
Speaker
And the only thing that ever pops up is how it was his story. Moses's only. Not the 38 women that he murdered or the 40 women that he raped. Not a whole lot of backstory, really, on any of them. Just that they were listened. I actually listed out the names of all these women, but there's a lot of them. And I'm just going to do a favor to the general public, because I don't want to butcher somebody's last name.
00:54:33
Speaker
But I do want to give just a shout out to the victims, their families, and what they are probably still going through today.
Impact on Victims' Families and Community
00:54:42
Speaker
I mean, they, you know, here's this dude that did despicable things and really doesn't have a consequence other than, well, of course,
00:54:56
Speaker
you know we should research jails in other countries because we know what it's like in America and it's just like this cushy cozy like you know we can we can watch CNN news and have a TV dinner right but we don't really know what jails are like in other countries and so that's something we should look into I think well just let you know maybe he could very well be suffering I hope so
00:55:19
Speaker
He, so I was trying to see if he was still alive on Google because it knows all. And it doesn't have a date of his death, but it says that he's got 38 confirmed victims. 76 possible. 76 other people. Well, they were, I didn't bring that up only because like, I just wanted to go based on the facts of what they knew. Like they knew, even though some of these women were unidentified, they were still found in that general area. So clearly it was the same dude.
00:55:49
Speaker
But I'm just saying, like, just because he, yeah, anyway. But there are just so many different, you know, just strategies and things that had happened. People that stuck their necks out when they were scared to death and did something about it, and that's just kudos to them. Yeah. Esther, to Doris, same thing. You know, they wouldn't have had a DNA sample if it weren't for her. They wouldn't have had anything to match it to with some of the bodies that they had come across, realizing this is the scent, it's the sky.
00:56:19
Speaker
And I just can't even imagine, honestly, like going through all the things that the African community had gone through in that timeframe and then to turn around and have to battle something else immediately after a battle just ended. Like to me, that was the most heartbreaking part of like all of this. It's like, we all finally have our freedom. We can live our lives. We can do what we need to do to survive.
00:56:49
Speaker
You know, we have just an ample amount of opportunities that are out here, and here's this one individual, one dude, who just amplified fear amongst people. Not a government, one man. You know what I mean? My daughter can't walk alone anymore. She can't go anywhere alone. She can't do anything because she can be a victim, or she was a victim, and now they have to suffer through this.
00:57:20
Speaker
until they pass on, until they get you reunited in some way. And I'm just gonna go ahead and say, there were so many things that I wanted to say in regards to this case, so many names that I had come up with that I wanted to call him, and I refrain from all of them. So Faith, I would like to say, you're welcome.
Exploring Justice and Societal Responses
00:57:49
Speaker
No credit there? No. I'm not happy. I'm not, I know. I can't find anything on the wife and the daughter. I told you, I couldn't. The only thing I could find when I was Google the wife and the daughter to find out whether or not they had passed her if they were so alive and got treatment or whatever. The only thing that really pops up is about Moses. He's a short clip of his family or whatnot.
00:58:18
Speaker
and just his life, his impact, and his everything. Yeah, I did just read because they apparently broke up like two months before his arrest. And his girlfriend, I won't say why, if I'm not going to do that to her. She doesn't deserve that title. God bless her heart. But she gave an interview to the Melon Guardian
00:58:48
Speaker
stating that she doesn't love him anymore. They had separated months before. But when she began to testify in his court, the baby was a baby. And he tried to, he requested to hold the baby and she just wouldn't even respond. So the daughter never had anything to do with him. Which is a good thing. Who knows? Maybe the daughter will
00:59:17
Speaker
hate men, right? Isn't that how the cycle continues? I don't even know, man. Talking about some of this stuff is really just not easy. We were on such a high with the community's appeal and such a good place. We didn't have to finish.
00:59:47
Speaker
If I could have re-written history at that point, judge would have said, sure. Shame on that judge. Take Moses. Take him wherever you want. I'm not going to check up on him. Nobody's going to check no longer. Nobody's going to check anything. Wouldn't even want to claim that I was related to the guy at that point. No. Mr. Nope, nope, nope. Can't say it. What a jerk.
01:00:15
Speaker
Oh, that's the best you got? Jerk. You know, I am so willing. Processing. Yeah, because I've never heard of him and I'm... Yeah. He's still alive. Getting treatment. Far out living his expectation. Other people who have done nothing wrong
01:00:44
Speaker
and have contracted AIDS are getting no treatment. But yet, I'm assuming that it works somewhat to the United States because I am, you know, the typical United States person that compares everything to ourselves. But, you know, I'm sure their tax dollars are helping pay for his treatment. This or this? That's not right. No, it's not.
01:01:14
Speaker
Well, it's not. You know what else? I'm gonna tell you something. And this is just totally out of the blue, just for random thought that I had. It's like... Crazy doesn't care. Like crazy. Yeah. Doesn't care. If you're black or you're white or you're... What nationality? Poking on it. Doesn't matter. Yeah. It infects people. Agreed. So why do people care so much? Why?
01:01:44
Speaker
care about what the color it's just like everything else they just use it I mean it I mean it's just like when we were talking last week about Bobby Bobby Joe yeah he had all these reasons to justify but that's all it is was a justification I'm just saying like if somebody
01:02:14
Speaker
is crazy enough to commit those crimes. In my mind, they're crazy enough to suffer consequences. Yeah, I think there should be consequences, and it shouldn't be an extended longevity of life. No. No. He should have succumbed to his illness. Yeah, they shouldn't get medical treatment for... He was sentenced for 2,000 years in jail.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, why would you keep paying it? So, why elongate? Like, he's never getting out. No. And if he does, actually he should get out. I wish he would. But... Yeah, so the community can have their... Uhh... Guys, I'm sorry that happened to you. I wish you had the permission. I would sign your petition right now. I would. But...
01:03:11
Speaker
I just don't understand like the people who are especially like okay I get it like I'm on the fence about like the death penalty and stuff because there's so many times it's turned over but if you've got hardcore like it's not just because I was listening to podcasts earlier obviously it's all do at work and they were talking about how like when you go to court
01:03:39
Speaker
You shouldn't be like, I get that, you know, both sides want to win the case, right? But you shouldn't be able to withhold factual evidence. You shouldn't be able to make up like basically soft stories. Like it should be proof. But like this guy, he admitted to it. You have proof that he killed 38 women and raped two additional.
01:04:03
Speaker
So why does he get to go to jail and get treatment that is not available to the public? Yeah, after all these other people had to suffer and die. Yeah, that's my thing. And so pregnant people, pregnant people, he didn't care that he had AIDS. Nope. So why is it OK for, I just don't, like, that's my thing too, is like, everyone talks about the death penalty and how it's wrong and it's this and this stuff. And like, I feel like in certain circumstances, especially because like you have so many cases where
01:04:34
Speaker
You know, people get set free on murder charges that they really didn't do because now we have DNA, we have all of these things. Everything continues to evolve. I get that. You know what I'm saying? But we shouldn't help them. No, that's not what I mean.
01:04:51
Speaker
I can understand someone's point of view on the death penalty based on that. Yeah. Yeah. But if you are beyond any reasonable doubt, like you have been placed, yes, your fingerprints, DNA, everything is there. You were caught with a weapon in your hand. Okay. And then your own verbiage said, should have killed you when I did this. I did this. Yes.
01:05:19
Speaker
Rose, walk into a meetup with an axe. Yeah. Yep. I, I, yeah. That's just, that sucks. It does. I just think that people that, that we know will like just be armed with shadow of doubt, and they don't need to get the needle either. Just a firing squad.
01:05:47
Speaker
something just you know hungry animals in the wild okay so um i'm not i'm not going to say that you like to uh tell me not to say certain things but you do and so now i need to know like what am i allowed to get away with saying because you just said hungry animals in the wild and i'm sitting here thinking
01:06:16
Speaker
We could dump honey on him. We could do it. I know it's not funny, guys. I'm sorry. It just, you know, I am so like, and I think I feel like Faith is too, at this point, like you reap what you sow. And in so many, in so many actions of people doing stupid things, like
01:06:41
Speaker
They don't really get a consequence for anything that they do. They just get to go and just live out their life just behind bars. It's like I said earlier, you only change if things affect you. So quite frankly, if I was in the middle or lower class and had AIDS, why would I not go shoot up some banks? That way I get put in prison and I get treatment that I wouldn't get otherwise. Like, I mean, logically, you get treatment for free.
01:07:10
Speaker
You get free meals. You get a free bag. You get entertainment. You get whatever you get. And yes, we do not know. We don't know. You know, there's a prison in America somewhere. And I don't know how true this is. So we're just going to go on subjects through here. So if you can at me and tell me I'm wrong, that's fine. I would love if you told her she was wrong. Lisa never can tell you. Because I'm always wrong. Damn it.
01:07:40
Speaker
It's like a big wall that holds water. You don't know what I'm talking about. I knew your card on that one. But anyway, back to the point. There's a prison somewhere in America that got all this stuff, and it was all over the news, and Facebook, which is 100% true all the time, they treat on there. I get that.
01:08:00
Speaker
The prison camp was like basically a work camp. Like they got nothing. They had to live in tents. There was no air conditioner. There was no heat. Like they didn't even get the arms jump suits. It was like pink. And they were like legit unchanging gangs working out in like fields and whatnot. Like, I mean, it was awful.
01:08:22
Speaker
Can I just interject? I feel like I've also heard things about privately owned prisons that don't meet the coordinates of government, federal prisons. These are just singly owned prisons that I feel like they get away with a lot more.
01:08:43
Speaker
I don't know this one was this was a county prison because if it's true it was a county prison I want to say it was in like Arizona or Nevada like it was a hot place because I kept thinking but I feel like any kind of like there are certain crimes that you know whatever it's a crime pay your time you want it you want to do it you got to pay your consequence robbing cheating
01:09:08
Speaker
That kind of stuff. But if your crime ends another life or is like you're raping or maiming, then you should have to go to one of these. Anything involving a child. Just throw that out there. Anything.
01:09:24
Speaker
But you should have to go to one of these awful prisons that are like, you know, in someone's dead basement where you're going in a well. Okay, so you want three meals a day? You want TV and privileges and stuff? Oh, I smoked weed once, so now I'm serving a life sentence? That's not the same thing. That's what I'm saying. Those people just go ahead and go there and serve you the time that you smoked some weed, like...
01:09:45
Speaker
life happens okay but when you know like Moses right let's send them to the hot one let's send them let's send them over here to Arizona where like there's the prisons in the middle of the desert and your your water supply is completely limited because they have and if you want three meals a day you best be catching a cockroach yeah and roasting it over the sun yeah if you got a poop you go ahead yeah
01:10:12
Speaker
I was gonna say crap at the corner, but I like yours better. But I just... I just don't... I just don't understand what's the penalty. Well, no, and I think, though, it's because it's just a human response to saying, like, A, B, and C happened to her. A happened to him. And there's no... You know, this is the brutality of what she went through.
01:10:41
Speaker
These were her last moments. His last moments last until whenever he dies naturally. Natural causes. Because they've been located his miserable life. Yeah. Which is a slap in the face to every victim's family. But I don't think it's abnormal for someone to say like these people need to have a consequence for the actions that they took in their life. It's not to say that like
01:11:07
Speaker
I'm sadistic or twisted that I think that this guy should have had a worse punishment. It's not. It's saying, tit for tat, man. Like, just tit for tat. You shouldn't have to have... They're just... I just feel like... And we're so... And I'm sorry if this comment makes you upset. We're so concerned with being politically correct all the time. They weren't politically correct.
01:11:36
Speaker
So they didn't care about it. So why do we have to take in all their feelings? See, that's like, I don't, honestly, Faith, I don't know. And I think it's because the spectrum is so large of people who believe one way and people who believe a completely different way. And there is no middle, there's no middle ground. Yeah.
01:12:05
Speaker
You know, and it's something that we literally can fight to wear blue in the face. You know, their psychologists out there, they didn't understand really what they were doing. Look at this past, look at this, look at this, ABC. No, you know, there's several people, just like last week, they both have the same beginning and they chose what they did with their lives. Exactly. Which is the point that I was trying to bring up in the middle of it. Like this is, there are two separate issues happening right now.
01:12:35
Speaker
Both of them were extreme. What was going on with the basic slavery that was happening to the black Africans at that point in time compared to the white ones, right? And so he, well that's dictatorship and we sure will get into something like that alone. I've got so many opinions. But what I'm saying is he had a clash of moral,
01:13:06
Speaker
just in it, where this is what was going on outside, this is what was going on inside, and there was nothing good feeding into the skin, nothing. I don't know. Again, we cannot, there is no rhyme or reason, evil is evil. And you can justify one person's actions by the way that they lived,
01:13:32
Speaker
and compare it to another individual who lived the exact same way, did a 180 and made a difference. And it's like you said, when I talked about all of his schemes and the things that he created in his head.
01:13:47
Speaker
of reuniting families with their orphaned kids. He was an abused kid, and there's, you know, feel bad for the kid, not the criminal. And I do feel bad for what he went through, but his ideal was a good idea. He could have made a difference in the same crappy situation he was in, but instead he decided to hurt people who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
01:14:13
Speaker
And that's accountability right there. What are we, what are we as a society willing to hold somebody accountable for? Well, I think his society was playing on the wall. Very accountable. Yeah, his community was like... We will, yes. Bring it on, buddy. Just set him here for a minute. But, you know, we have to do with laws and do, you know... Your process? All that.
01:14:43
Speaker
Well, I don't know that they have due process out there, you know, rights to his trial and all that. I don't know how it works in Africa. If anybody has any idea, though, please, by all means, email me and let me know because I really like to be informed when I'm talking about something. Sometimes I just feel like I'm shooting in the dark and I don't know what I'm aiming at. So if you have any corrections.
01:15:03
Speaker
TwistedTalesTrueCrime at gmail.com. We would love your input. Yeah, and if you're in that area and you know all about this story and I messed something up, please, by all means, correct me. Again, I want facts, not, I don't want fabrications of what the internet might tell me when I research it. And she's used to corrections, so she'll take it right as well.
01:15:22
Speaker
and we will put a we will do a episode at the beginning of every episode if there is something we get out wrong we'll always correct ourselves we have absolutely no problems because the main point of this is we just like tell each other stories and getting those reactions a but and just kind of talking about it everybody has opinions honestly that's why i started podcast because i listened to some
01:15:47
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to crime and they were giving their opinion on what happened. And I'm like, but you're not the biggest, like the most obvious thing that could have happened. We're not even talking about it. Yeah. Like that's why don't we look at this because this is obviously what happened, especially on like unsolved or like wrongfully or like a 50 50 hung jury situation. And they're like, well, this is probably what happened. I'm like, no,
01:16:10
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Look right here. This is clearly what happened. Why are you ignoring it? Well, you're super opinionated, and you're always right. And I want everybody. Everybody is entitled to my opinions. Everybody is entitled to your opinion. At least that's the one out of my life. It's like I said in one of the other episodes that we post. They're my opinions, and I'm allowed to have them. And you do not have to like them, because I usually don't like her opinions either. No. That's OK, though. We're still friends. Yeah. Well.
01:16:39
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Well, only because we're related. I hope you enjoyed the story. Yeah, I wasn't going to go there. I thought it. Yeah, you're kind of just stopping me now. I hope you guys enjoyed the story. And by enjoyed, I mean horribly outraged and going to go sign the petition along with us later if we could find it. Can we just, as a community, like the more likes that we get, like with some of the stories that we talk, I'm serious. This is not a joke.
01:17:05
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the more lights that we get, and the more people that get to, we just start making petitions for some of the stories we talk about. And they're like, hey, can you release this guy into our custody? And just start sending it to Beverly, New York, Chicago, Tennessee, Florida. That would be so amazing. Hey, Africa, thank you for the idea. So I'm gonna go ahead and reference that bad boy real quick, because you guys are
01:17:35
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And we'll post a few pictures of him and we will definitely list the name of the victim. I do, I have a full list of the victims. We've got a Facebook at Twisted Tales. We also have an Instagram at Twisted Tales. It's all one word.
01:17:52
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should pop up after that. But, uh, so feel free to go just kind of review those things and, and, you know, just, just think about their family and, and just, you know, just say a prayer. And cause I don't think you ever really get over that. And there's not a lot we can do, but we can try to do our part. But, uh, go ahead and like us, if you would, like, if you do five stars, it'd be great.
01:18:22
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Yeah, and share us so that we can continue telling stories and hiding from our children in the basement. If you give me a thumbs down, I have a figure for you too. Oh, Bella slipped somebody off me for the earlier day. And I'm not kidding.
01:18:38
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Because she came home and asked me on the way home. Hey, Mom, what is this thing? No, she's sobbing. And she's like, Mom, if I hold up my middle finger, is that bad? And I'm like, yeah, baby, we don't do that. That's super disrespectful. She goes, well, so-and-so said that it's the F-word. And I'm like, well, where did she tell you it was? She just said the F-word.
01:19:00
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And I told her I didn't know that, but she still told me, wasn't that rude? And I'm like, yeah, let's focus on that, not you. And this was her comment. Well, I think it's just kind of above a kindergarten level. I wanted to be like first graders. That's why I did it. Because one of the people on the air is like the first grade model.
01:19:17
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Sorry, I forgot it. No, that's too funny. Well, you know I had a library story with my son when he went into kindergarten. All right, that's another story for a different time. Have a great week, guys. We will be back next Thursday night. And feel free to comment, email us, and like us to share us. Bye. Peace out.