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2025 Movie Catch-Up
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As we transition into Summer Movie Season, The Guys look back at some of the biggest releases of the year so far (and maybe a hidden gem or two) including Friendship, Sinners, Bring Her Back and Mission: Impossible: Final Reckoning
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Introduction to 2025 Movies and Hosts
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No, you just say that we're talking about 2025 movies? And we're talking about this year and movies so far. Yeah. We're talking about this year and movies so far.
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You should do this so far. Like, add a pause and then go so far. I'm Doug Damport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we're talking about this year and movies so far.
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Boy, you should know that I've got you on mind. Your secret admirer, I've been watching you.
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At night, I think of you. I want to be your baby. Maybe if your game is on, give me a call, boo.
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If you're loving strong, I'm going to give my all to you.
Song Stuck from 'Freddie Choup'
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I've had that song stuck in my head since I saw Freddie Choup. Oh, yeah. I don't think I even heard... I mean, it's like from the 90s, like a hip-hop 90s thing. i I've heard of Ghost Town DJs, like that group, but I never...
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but But like, so every girl I know that's seen the movie, they're like, oh, Ghost Town DJs, they put that song. So I guess that's the, you know, that's the demo for that. Or maybe I'm just ignorant. Everyone's like, you idiot. That was the most popular song ever. You've never heard of it.
00:01:35
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I feel I'm familiar with that song. I feel like it's it's popular that Friendship also has a a different song in there that's played over and over. The one that Paul Rudd's listening to and then then then he starts listening to. it He's like, yeah, I like punk.
00:01:52
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No, he says corn. I think he calls it corn, right? He it's Slipknot. He's listening to Wait and Bleed by Slipknot. But then he also calls it punk, I think. Yeah, I think he does. because Because his wife is like, you don't listen to music? And he's like, yeah, I do. I like punk.
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it's I thought it was such a random song to be playing, but it was kind
Favorite and Least Favorite Movies Discussion
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of funny. I mean, if if we want to... do do a little friendship talk since we both both seen that one yeah let's let the listeners know what we're doing guys we're just talking about you know our favorite movies or at least favorite movies of the year so far it's the beginning of june we're almost halfway through the year now we're getting into real movie season Yeah, we are basically, you know, there's some real shit to talk about, some real meat on the bones.
00:02:41
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But this, ah yeah, we're just going to be, you know, talking at as we want, free talk, no specific order. We're starting on friendship, it sounds like. There will probably be, like, individual movies, I guess we can start. Let's try to see spoilers as we start talking about them. Yeah, yeah, we can be more general, and then as we get into the end, be like, okay, here are spoilers for that.
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Yeah, or we could just, ah yeah, we'll figure out how to handle it. Before we say spoilers, we'll make sure to say spoilers. Or we'll just go back and edit like an alarm. Yeah, we'll try to do minimal editing on this one. No, no, I was joking. Yeah.
Deep Dive into 'Friendship'
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So friendship.
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Yeah, this movie, I think, is a fucking work of art, dude. It should be on the Criterion Collection. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Really? I feel like I viewed it in a way that a lot of people may not view... Or maybe I'm making myself sound pretentious in other people.
00:03:42
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But I, like... Found it, like, very, like, upsetting, very comforting at times. The tone felt like an indie, like, art house type of movie at first. But then there'd be scenes without getting specific where it almost felt, you know, it's an A24 movie, and there'd be scenes the way they were shooting where, like, is this about to become a horror movie? Yeah, it felt that way, and it...
00:04:09
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felt like it was ready to go deeply upsetting and there were some skeletons in the closet that it i really appreciated and it it worked for me i really yeah it's something i hope gets a criterion level or criterion collection release i feel like it deserves that kind of treatment and we should be talking about it in the way that we talk about art house films And I mean, yes, it's a comedy. it's There's a lot of silliness, but it actually is, i think, getting at like some kind of emotional truth in terms of like not just like male friendships, but in just like the very human need to... like
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people want to belong to something, you know, like sometimes, I mean, obviously this is the character to a very comical, absurd degree, like wants to belong, but like, it's like, that's, that's just you human, you know, like everyone wants to be part of something or, know,
00:05:07
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having a, whether that's having a pal or just, you know, you join a club or so or something like people need community. And what, what does that do to a person when they're like, that's taken away from them, you know? Cause it's like, I don't condone his behavior at the sense of like, well, I would do the same things, but I like, I kind of found myself where I'm like,
00:05:35
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when he starts crashing out i'm like i i kind of get it you think yeah but like like i'm not like on his side on his side but i'm like you i'm like in his head a little bit where i'm like this tracks you know i'm like for this guy them now to be in this scenario i kind of get why he's losing it I just want to know how he ends up where we find him at the beginning of the movie. How did this guy get a job?
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Did he go to college? How did he survive? How did that happen? What do his in-laws think of him? Yeah. v it is Spoilers.
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Spoilers for friendship. Yeah, let's let's just do see Friendship. It's great. I mean, it's an A24 movie, so it might not be playing near you, but it'll probably be on man soon. so Yeah, great movie. I'd get four and a half, five stars. I think it's a five star for me, yeah.
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um So, yeah, spoilers for friendship. That kid is the ex-boyfriend's son, right? yeah Yeah, from the moment they mention the ex-boyfriend. and then there's this scene when she comes back, and then he kind of, like, has his arms around them all, and...
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Yeah, I think we're supposed to that's supposed to be the takeaway, right? Yeah. I thought that was that was a nice touch. that That whole scene was good. The whole... His wife disappearing caught me off guard because I was like, she, like, dead?
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I thought... i thought the i was almost surprised when they found her alive because I was like... Oh my God, this people, because I saw it a little later. So I saw people saying this got really dark. I'm like, she's his wife. died I did hear people say that this movie gets very, very dark and it doesn't get as dark as I had imagined. It farts with it. It does.
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I thought she was just playing a prank on him the whole time. Someone did say that they think that she was at ah her ex's the whole time and pretending to have been lost. I don't really know. It seems like she did genuinely get lost. She looks. the I thought the movie wasn't going to go that way. I thought she was just going to be hiding from him or trying to pull one over on him.
00:07:47
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or pretending to be gone girl i had that thought like is she gonna be gone girl well yeah like this comedy just turns into a gone girl situation yeah yeah no i think she it was legitimate she seemed pretty shell-shocked when she came back from it and then her whole story i want to believe like she had an orgasm in the sewers yeah and Which is a good running thing. Like, I was immediately... more Wait, you go. I was just immediately cracking the fuck up, like, when they go to the support thing, and she's talking about, like, I want to have... it Am I going to have an orgasm again? And then goes to him, and he's like, my orgasm's great. I'm orgasming just fine. Something like that. you
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it gets That's like what we start on. Yeah, that's the first note. I do like that Paul Rudd, it his character is kind of a combination of the Love You Man character and his Anchorman character. His Anchorman is very sweet.
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It's a combination of both of those, but then also in the way that, like, I always view the I Think You Man... I Think You Man. I Think You Man. i think you should leave characters i think you man yeah i think you man i think you man I think therefore I i man.
00:09:03
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hu i but like that. think therefore I man. and then it's two ends. it's like Michael Mann. I'll put that on a shirt. These guys got goose incorporated.
00:09:15
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Yeah, exactly. No, ah the i think you I think you should leave characters... Like, the way he behaves are very similar to how antisocial his character Craig and friendship is, but like but like it's almost like a child's way of lashing out. Like, when when he gets caught doing something and he like starts...
00:09:34
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going crazy and like the sketches, it's almost like when a kid gets caught doing something bad and like the way he doubles down on it almost in like kind of like the verbiage and like specific weird phrasing is almost kid. Like in friendship, I almost read this as like a teenage kind of, it's like when the cool kid starts hanging out with the kid who doesn't have any for like Paul Rudd is almost like ah like styled like a teenage bad boy like it just in terms of his one he's like listening to Korn no Slipknot or Slipknot no he calls it Korn but then like he sneaks into the the the sewers under City Hall and the in and even the way he says pigs like come on before the pigs get here like it's it's he fully backpedals on most of that though when like
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Shit when there's stakes. Right. Because he's like realizes, oh I have to be an adult person, you know, like so. But but like initially Robinson can't snap out of that, though. No, like that it's like it's like it's like a spell put on him.
00:10:42
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Yeah, and then in in my Letterboxd review, i compared this to King of Comedy because, like, the thing I like about De Niro's character in that is that so much of the relationships in his life are fantasy.
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Like, in that movie, doesn't even, when it's cutting to something in his head, it doesn't do, like, the wavy lines on the side or something. Like, you cut back to him in, like, like his mom's basement so you know it's in his head, but, like, the way it's, like, edited, it just cuts to, like, him talking to, like...
00:11:08
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Jerry Lewis or whatever and like a normal scene and it's like almost unclear like does he know that this isn't real like you're like unsure in his because he just keeps pushing things and acting like that he can waltz in so like when Craig has these sp like the fantasies are over the top in his mind and I love how specific gets when he's like I can see the future and then it keeps like keeps going where it's like a post-apocalyptic future yeah Like humanity has fallen and they're like hiding in a mall around a garbage can fire or something.
00:11:44
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and But he's the one who's in charge. Yeah, and he has like night vision goggles on. I forgot about that. i but I like how that's overstated, but then his drug trip is just a trip to Subway.
00:11:57
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I love that. That was me maybe one of the funniest parts. And then the like the kid who sold the drugs afterwards is like, like so how long was it was it like to feel like months or years it's like no i went to subway it's like did you find the answer you're looking for it was like just i just am yeah
00:12:20
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To me, that almost felt like poking fun at it because like so many movies when a character does a drug trip, it's almost like a shorthand for some kind of emotional growth or revelation. And get to like come out of like, oh, I've been selfish this whole time. I didn't realize this is like like they just used ah like, OK, we'll just do a trippy sequence and then they'll realize some deeper truth about themselves, which people can have from drug trips, but also sometimes you just, you know, yeah ah just you just trip. You just lot of drugs to your brain and nothing profound happens. all
00:12:56
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I got a little worried at first when i when this movie was going there, when they were going to do a drug trip type of thing. I think it's like since Booksmart, I feel like.
00:13:07
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I heard a lot of people criticize the drug trip in that movie, and I didn't have a problem with it, but it's made me more self ah it's made me more aware of drug trips in these and how lazily they're depicted some some movies treat weed like it gives you treat like some movies the character will hit the joint and the the screen will start to be like, whoa, man.
00:13:29
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and and just the trope of it in general, no one does anything interesting with it. They set it up for a way to have like good bits. The bits aren't even that good.
00:13:41
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You just kind of, at least for me, you've got to get through it. It's like, okay, let's get to the actual comedy of the story. i don't know. It takes...
00:13:52
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There's a lot working against it for me. It takes away the ah ah takes you away from the story, and it's like manufactured beats that don't really work for me. Right, and this was like the opposite of that. But then I love all the lead-up to where you think it is going to be like one of those scenes. even the dealers like making it seem like this is going to be like profound and important.
00:14:12
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And he even says I love you to him before he leaves. He's like, I love you, Toad Boy. Yeah. Yeah. Even the fact that it's just licking it to like that they don't because they set up the ayahuasca thing when he like breaks into Rudd's house. And I was like, OK, what when's that coming back? And doesn't even get real ayahuasca. he just has to like lick a toe.
00:14:32
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Yeah. And again, I like the subversion of this whole like moment. It was like a subversion. It's not even happening at an interesting place. It's at a phone store, which is a funny reoccurring bit. He keeps losing or but purposely accidentally yeah when he drops it in the puddle.
00:14:51
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That was so funny. Oh, man. ah His reactions. Well, he's perfect yeah, his reactions and overreactions to thing are great. And and similar to i ah I think you should leave is like almost like when a kid freaks out, like when he starts when he starts screaming, like when he's sinking into the puddle, he's like, oh, my God, shit.
00:15:11
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yeah Or when Paul was trying to pull him over the ledge when they're sneaking in under the sewers, he's like, ah, he just starts screaming. Yeah, he gets so startled so easily. He's so quick to react. it is like a child. oh But it...
00:15:26
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it That's why I wonder, how does this guy end up in a marriage with this woman? which Which makes the ending so much funnier, because it seems to be like, you know, like, oh, he fucked things up so bad. And I love the narration where he's like, and this is why men shouldn't have friends. You you get into a lot of trouble.
00:15:45
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But it seems like by the end, like, his wife is maybe ready to move back in. Like, she's like, she's like kind of being flirty with them and stuff. like Like, that's how I read that story. that like before he leaves and then and the actual ending happens like but when the last time he sees his wife she's like smiling he's like it's good to see you home and she's like you know like I'll see you when you're back like it kind of seems like she's like toying with the idea of moving back in Yeah, i I would like to rewatch it to really see what's going on. To me, it's funnier if that is the case because then he's about to have his life back together and then torpedoes. Like, like he can't help. I just, and I love characters. I made a whole letterboxd list that I sent to you where it's like, you don't have to do this. You can stop at any time because, like, I'm yeah i'm so...
00:16:37
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fascinated by characters who can't help but but self-destroy like it's like you could walk away like that's my favorite part in breaking bad like when very early on his cancer's in remission and it's like he does not have to keep doing this but and but then he i'm like to me it just makes like he does when you're he's made a name for himself yeah he's good at it he has respect now he's gonna find his purpose Yeah, but I i love that, and like, asking... of Because, like, say in some characters, you're not even sure if they know why they keep doing it. Like, ah the Red Room's girl. Like, I'm like, does she even...
00:17:14
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have self-awareness of like what she's doing like maybe at the end i don't know uh but red rooms girl to i think like think ali does because she so spoilers for red rooms yeah uh she like sits that other girl down and she kind of knows at first i want to say that that other girl isn't prepared for this work and she knows it's gonna change her i feel like she's pretty self-aware i well i I guess not self-aware that how what she how fucked up what she is doing. I think she's aware of that, but almost of like, why is she drawn to this? why Is she is she like like thinking that through of like, why am I doing this? Does she have those thoughts or does she just you know proceed?
00:18:04
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i think I think both. Yeah. She seems like... Because she doesn't seem, like, haunted by it, you know? She doesn't seem, like like, someone who's, like... But then, at the very end, I don't know, she churns over that evidence, so like, does she feel kind of guilty, or is she just doing that out of, like, fear of, like, legal consequences, you know? Like...
00:18:25
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No, I think she does feel guilt and probably does search for a deeper understanding of herself. That would be my overall read. That's pretty charitable. I thought she was like a sociopath. I was like, I don't know. She has no soul. yeah and I can see that.
00:18:41
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oh man. Is that everything on friendship, though? Yeah, I adored the movie. um I really loved the use of... I mean, okay, so I did bring up the end. i just wanted to say, yeah, i I love that these characters who can't help but self-destruct, that ending sticks with me because it's like...
00:19:03
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Yes, it seems like maybe his wife is going to take him back. He can undo some of this damage. And then he just can't help himself because he sees that Paul Rudd got that one car that he promised that he would, like, let him take a drive in.
00:19:17
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And so, like, he has, yeah, the craziest... you know crash out moment where he just comes into the party and starts starts waving the gun but i love that even during that meltdown that he's like still gonna back paul rudd up in terms of like what his two i love that they set up the toupee thing and he's like that's just our secret man right i trust you even though they're on the outs at that point he like has totally excised craig from from his life but he like still wants that approval from him so bad that like
00:19:48
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So I love that they're willing to burn it all down just for that. Yeah. So even at the end, he's in the back of a police car. It's not asking for it in that moment. You're kind of part of me is like, is Tim Robinson projecting? Does he want him to want him to cover this up right now?
00:20:05
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Right. Like, like, we're actually grateful. Well, and that's the thing. It's like you almost could in a ah King of Comedy ah way interpret the very end.
00:20:17
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The wink he sees. Is that just what Tim Robinson wants see? Yeah, that's what I was kind of wondering. like is because Because like the other fantasy sequences are overt. Like we know that we're in his head.
00:20:29
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But that one almost seems like it could be his fantasy. But also I could also see it being he does appreciate the solid and he's maybe going to try and help, you know, ah Tim Robinson get out of jail or something. and So like, oh, I think he's going to jail.
00:20:48
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Well, if he doesn't press charges, right? Like, if he, well, if you wave a gun around, I guess that's, you have to do some, like, but, but it if, if it's not his gun, it would be less severe consequences. If Paul Rudd doesn't press charges, like if he's like, no, that's, that's, you know, like I, I'm, I'm fine. I don't need to press charges.
00:21:14
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Yeah, there's got to be some kind of maybe federal crime for wielding a gun that's not yours. Yeah, he stole it, and then he was, like, threatening people with it.
00:21:25
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Does he fire it? I don't remember. He, like, points it at everyone, but I don't know that he actually shoots it, or does he accidentally shoot?
00:21:35
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Because, like, what happens that makes Paul Rudd fall on the ground the toupee falls up? Does the gun, like, go off or something? Maybe. I need to re- I just saw it and I'm already, like, blanking on the end. It's been a couple weeks for me.
00:21:48
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Yeah. um But i i i would I would need to rewatch it, but i could I could totally see that it going either way at the very end of, like, that wink is is in his head or it is real.
00:22:01
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but But even if it was real, the fact that that's all he needs to be- It's like, dude, you fucking- your life up right now and you're just like you you got that that that little wink and that approval that's like fine and like and then the fact that cuts to the the my boo song makes it so perfect like so yeah that's one of the best comedies i've seen in a while it is i i agree it go see it if you haven't i mean we spoiled it already but fucking friendship rules I got two that I want to bring to the table that I think we can knock out pretty quick.
Marvel Movie Critiques
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ah Did you see Captain America Brave New World or Thunderbolts? I haven't seen Captain America. There's a Hulk, Red Hulk now. Yeah, Red Hulk, the movie.
00:22:48
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Red Hulk's on the poster. um They Red Hulk now. um He's barely in the movie. Spoilers for Captain America, Brave New World and Thunderbolts, I guess. I do. I do. It's not that good. i I don't think it's good. Yeah, from what I've heard, it's not good. I'm just interested what a movie that was reshot like three times looks like. Like, like is it coherent?
00:23:11
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Like, is it is it blatantly obvious that this movie was like continually reshot and stitched together from a bunch of different versions of it? I think so. Juan Carlos Esposito's role feels very weird.
00:23:22
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That one trailer that looks super good, the movie's not reflective of that trailer. Yeah, I knew that was just really good award for that editor, though, because they really were trying to make it look like a 70s political thriller or something. Yeah, it looked like shit was going to go, like we were going to discover some shit about our country in that movie.
00:23:42
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Did you know the White House is corrupt? Yeah. The Red Hulk doesn't really show up till basically the end. They hype him up at one point. It's just the biggest crime this movie commits is just being boring.
00:23:56
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That sucks because like if all my ah criticisms about the MCU and even i could levy some ah criticisms at the Russos as directors. I think the Captain in America like as a trilogy is on the more solid end of because like first you had joe johnston's one which is like an actual mo like i think that stands out i think there's something special about phase one marvel stuff where it like before they had like the house style kind of that they settled into and yeah where it was like no this is this director's version
00:24:33
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Even if it's like the annoying, you know, like Kenneth Brown is like every angle is canted in Thor. But like it still was like, no, this is like a director made decisions and and made this movie.
00:24:44
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ah So yeah, that first Captain to America is good. And then I like both the scene, even though like I have Civil War is like, like, why is that a Captain America movie? Civil War is, it's very long, but it's so like enjoyable. And there's stuff that's good. Like,
00:25:03
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Zemo, I think, is like, the but until they retconned him to actually be a Baron and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I think is like the one of the more interesting MCU villains. Like, I like yeah the idea of like, it's just a guy who who like breaks up the Avengers. Black Panther is awesome in it. Spider-Man is A little overhyped.
00:25:25
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It's overhyped. and it's like it's almost it's I was excited at the time as Spider-Man fanboy, but whenever I rewatch, I'm like, yeah, they're really laying it on thick of like, we got Spider-Man now. you know like it's like It's kind of almost them doing a victory lap of like...
00:25:41
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but We got him. He's here. I used to really think Civil War sucked. i The airport bothered me a lot the first time I saw it in theaters. I like, why aren't they all cracking jokes? They're all friends here. There's no tension.
00:25:54
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This is so such a weird thing to hinge your marketing on. Are these guys fighting? The sequel was like that. you appreciate it now I appreciate parts of the movie as a whole. I still think the airport fight, yeah, is underwhelming. But the actual, like...
00:26:10
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Big fight in it is the, like, climactic, like, the but the three-way fight. Because, like, in that one actually has... That's awesome. That one has emotional stakes. I love the fake-out of it, too, because at first they were talking about the other Winter Soldiers, and I kind of groaned. I'm like, oh, they're just going to, like, wake up a bunch of super soldiers, and then they're going to have to...
00:26:30
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put aside their differences and fight some strong guy. It's like, no, Zemo killed the those those sleeping super soldiers. He doesn't think superheroes should exist. And now he's laid this, not even really a trap. It's just a video of the truth of like that Bucky killed Bucky.
00:26:47
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Tony's parents and now we see that play out it's fucking I love that ending ah the whole last like 30 minutes of Civil War ah what's it called what's another awesome fight or the chase between Black Panther Captain America and Bucky That one's good. That's pretty awesome. The initial fight scene.
00:27:08
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I'm just running down fight scenes. Sorry for going down that. But the the ending really rules. and so so So anyway, more the point I got into the other Captain America movies among the MCU stuff like.
00:27:20
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And I think there's such potential in this universe for, like, cool spies. I love spy movies. Like, spy, just spy shit in general is so my bag. And, like, especially in a superhero universe, the Marvel universe, like, you could do such interesting things with it.
00:27:36
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So it sucks when they fumble it in a way, like, what sounds like they did in the new Captain America. Yeah. Like, ah Secret Invasion was kind of like that, where it's like, this is the Nick Fury show. Like, you this should be, this shit should be so good. And then ah it's like, you just wasted Yeah, you can't even, Samuel Jackson doesn't even seem to be found near the set of a fucking MCU project now since Secret Invasion.
00:28:01
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was in Ms. Marvel, or the Marvels, I keep forgetting what it's called, which I defend, i like the Marvels. I want to see it. I'm i'm also curious. Say that like you can't see it I wish i just it's so inic iss and it's like 28 days later before they released it they just like I don't they just took it away it's like lost media like I really ah um really want to see that one yeah if only have an active Disney plus subscription I just wish there was some way that I could watch this I just I don't know
00:28:38
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I wish I saw that in 4DX. So did you see the Thunderbolts? I did see Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts, I i give thumbs up. Thumbs up? Nice. Not stinky poo-poo?
00:28:51
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No, it's not stinky poo-poo. I like Thunderbolts, too. I didn't care much for the whole last act, the villain, like when he became a villain at all.
00:29:03
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But it was a good movie. There's things I like about that conceptually. I think they could have gone in more interesting ways with the execution. Like, not that... I i think this director's done, like, some, like, indie stuff before that I've i've i've maybe seen. But ah when it got to the end act, I was like, oh, if someone like a, let's say, like a Raimi was doing this, we would get way crazier with, like, the mind...
00:29:31
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palace kind of thing of like we're visualizing like the voice so they call them shame rooms or whatever but like i kept joking with my ah with with you chris who we who we've had the podcast before we were we were watching it and uh i i was like
Character Shoe-Horning in Movies
00:29:48
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is everyone's shame gonna be the because at first you see yelena's and it's like this kid get gets killed because of her and i'm like Is everyone's sha room going to be a kid gets killed? Like when it comes to the flashback when you're joking, like, yeah oh my God, some kids are going to get killed now.
00:30:06
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yeah So, but like, I thought it was pretty boring. that Just the visual representation that. You're in a mental space where you could kind of do anything. Like why, why? You're in a fucking room.
00:30:20
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it should i like thematically i get it like we did these are these are characters who are carrying the shame and the movie's like kind of the real villain of the movie is depression and self-loathing actually ah which i think is like a cool a cool idea but i like we could we could manifest this it's like such cooler ways and then like ah my pulse was not raised i was not concerned his shame in his backstory too was like maybe i'm being insensitive i'm like it seems kind of non-specific of like uh yeah he did drugs and like his family didn't love him and like i mean i've that i'm saying like that well is never ah sympathetic story but like
00:31:06
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I, I, it, the way they portrayed it was maybe because it felt like the Marvel, because he like mentioned the drug use. I'm like, we should see him strung the fuck out, you know, like, like we were flashing back to like, before he got the powers and stuff.
00:31:21
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It's like almost just, they read it from a list of like, you know, his, his pat. They literally were when the Julie Louis-Dreyfus is like, you know, like reading his history before the experiment or or whatever. Like, I did some, do they, I think they actually named meth. So I'm like, and then when we see him in the shame room, I'm like, this guy and looks strong out. This guy done a single meth.
00:31:42
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I've seen breaking bad. Didn't even look like he had it that hard. He looks like he's all right. You know, who had it pretty hard. Wanda Maximoff. I don't know. This guy wasn't, uh, I don't know.
00:31:55
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No, but you agree, right? Like, that they could have gone Not even that he needed to have more, ah like, more extreme trauma, but they could have, like, depicted it in a more visceral way.
00:32:07
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And also, yeah, just, like, the final mind confrontation make it crazier. Because, like, yes, in the real world, these characters kind of, like,
00:32:19
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but half of them are super soldiers so it's just hand to hand fighting and stuff but like in a mental space where anything's possible you can kind of just have them like floating around and doing shit like like yeah which they you almost start to see like when the gravity like gets weird for a second and then we just go back to like they kind of just hold them down and tell him they love him and then he doesn't decides not to void the world he should have the people who got other people who got voided who weren't like the thunderbolts should have been permanently dead like when they came out of the void it'd be like oh those kids and like all of new york that got voided yeah they like everyone's dead they should have killed spider-man and you and but and daredevil
00:33:06
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In that moment. They were in New York. Why not? Add some stakes. I know they weren't really in this movie, but just have someone come back and be like, guys, they got Spider-Man.
00:33:17
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What did Mayor Wilson... Have a web like shoot up against a wall, and then you hear, no! What did Mayor Wilson and fisk? Spoilers for the first episode of Daredevil Born Again, but... Played by Vincent D'Onofrio. Vincent D'Onofrio becomes mayor of New York. did Does he see the city getting voided and is like, my God...
00:33:35
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yeah they have to incorporate it into seven of their tv shows now yeah moon knight has to reference this but in it in a half-assed way of like how the show were like well we gotta address the snap and it's just one scene of like yeah can't wait for modok to talk about this modok season one coming next month i had to think for a second if that was a real show or not because i was like they were gonna do one on hulu they weren't but like patten oswalt right before he was introduced in the mcu and it didn't matter at all in everyone's favorite ant-man quantum mania in hindsight is almost like the funniest thing go what van goh
00:34:24
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Yeah, it's a work of art. it's it's It just really works on so many levels. No, it's just in the meta context because i assume we ain't never circling back to Kate. Like, Loki kind of put the bow on the whole Kate thing.
00:34:41
Speaker
um You didn't see the new Jonathan Majors this year? Paper. didn't dream of the magazines? Magazine dream. Yeah, paper sleep.
00:34:53
Speaker
yeah question That sounds like an indie movie. Coming from 824, paper sleeper. paper sleep And it's not about paper or sleeping.
Movie Recommendations: 'Thunderbolts' and More
00:35:03
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Like, you're waiting the whole movie. You're like... There's Robert Pattinson.
00:35:07
Speaker
You're like, okay, so this is pretty good. Underbolts. good move ah The thing I like... Thumbs up. I was like, I like a good team. I liked hanging out with these guys. They had good banter, good chemistry.
00:35:22
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Besides our notes on the ending, i would say... Just add some horniness. Go full, because you kind of, like, have the relationship between Yelena and ah ah Bob.
00:35:34
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ah ah um I'm not saying everything needs to have ah romance, but kind of I don't know, these movies are pretty sexless, like, the especially the MCU stuff, so, like... oh You just have to do a little kissy. I don't know. You have ghost fuck somebody, you know?
00:35:49
Speaker
Someone should be fucking. She the one to be doing it. She could, like, go inside of people quite literally. It's the most sexual of all the characters. Yeah. Yeah. Someone should... People should be fucking in the MCU. That's my point. And I'm really hoping...
00:36:04
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I mean, they cast Pedro Pascal, who everyone... Oh, he has to fuck. Everyone in America is horny for this guy. getting away with it because his wife is invisible in those scenes. You just see them like humping the air.
00:36:16
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yeah Yeah, fully clothed. And they're like, we had sex in a Marvel scene. We were the first movie to have sex. That's what Marvel will say. Not the first Marvel movie to have sex. The first movie to have sex. We did Yeah.
00:36:32
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Heterosexual sex. We did it first. Did you know ah Disney did the first lesbian kiss ever in Rise of Skywalker? In history. yeah Yeah, they never depicted lesbians before. They talked about it a lot.
00:36:46
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um there They didn't really toot their own horn. We don't have to talk about Thunderbolts or Marvel much at all anymore, but I can... Bucky... I was hoping this would have me changing my tune on Bucky, but I'm still not feeling him. I'm pro-Sebastian. It makes me like Sebastian Stan less every time I see Bucky pop up in one of these. makes disappointed that they're not giving that character. I know it stopped me from watching a different man for another two months, basically.
00:37:17
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Yeah, well, i a different man is so good that I'm like, so you could be doing this the whole time. You know, that's I'm like, why why aren't they giving him something to to do? Also, that wig looks so bad. I'm not even like a wig spotter. Like, I'll watch movies with girls who are like makeup professionals and they'll be like, oh, that's a bad wig. I'm like, I didn't notice.
00:37:38
Speaker
I noticed Sebastian Stan's wig in this where I'm like, just let Bucky be bald. It's very bad. Let Bucky be bald. Why can't he just be... His beard looks bad, too, man.
00:37:49
Speaker
why can't Why can't Bucky just be clean-shaven? Have him look like John Travolta. I mean he's a senator, so, like, senators can't have long... They can't be looking like fucking hippies. It's also crazy that he's a so he was, like, a cyborg assassin. He gets elected.
00:38:03
Speaker
I want to see that movie about his, like, campaign... trail like like just about bucky getting elected maybe you gotta see the fucking already forgot the name of it ah brave new world is that most the movie it's just about bucky getting in an elected they mention it Pretty tall stuff.
00:38:24
Speaker
It seems like they knew they had a movie coming out with him in it where he's, you know, a senator. I still haven't Or running for senator. I still haven't seen The Apprentice, but someone pointed out at the beginning of Thunderbolts in the first Bucky scene...
00:38:38
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Do you think his cadence had a little bit Trumpiness to it and like his like timing and spacing? Yeah, I think everything kind of had a residual Trump effect to it. He was like, Bucky is just Trump now.
00:38:52
Speaker
They should have leaned into that. they would That would have been funny. Yeah, I forgot. I did see The Apprentice. Yeah, Bucky's just young Trump. I was getting those vibes. you Like when he's being interviewed or something, and he's like he's not like fully doing the voice, but he's like kind of doing like the mannerisms and timing of like how Trump says stuff. And I was like, just he should just be Trump. That'd be funny.
00:39:15
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Jeremy Strong shows up, too. ah Jeremy Strong. People have a lot of problems with that guy. We don't have to get into it, but... I don't understand what acting thing, but he's like the good version of method acting to me. good Like, he's not like Jared Leto where he's like, I'm goingnna make people carry me on the set of Morbius because I'm a paraplegic and so I can't walk.
00:39:37
Speaker
Uh, he doesn't make it like other people's problem when he gets as far it like right like yeah like i think uh brian cox found him kind of annoying but like i don't think he's like actually like like fucking with other like while he's in him being in characters just to help him get into that mindset like that's his his process i don't i don't see anything wrong with how he does method acting i And also the results are really good. So like, I would have to look more into it. I haven't heard anything ah about Jeremy strong really in his method acting.
00:40:12
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Um, to me, from what I've seen, it's literally just like, yes, he's just keeping himself in that mind space. Spoiler. Uh, end of succession spoilers you it's been around for why you guys go watch succession skip this part please succession is really good it's so good uh girlfriend if you're listening skip this part oh she hasn't seen she hasn't seen it's so funny too I mean, it's also a great drama, but it's it's so funny.
Acting Methods and Performances
00:40:41
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ah But the very end, his can Kendall's last scene, he said in an interview, because you know he's like locked into you know the mindset of him and ah you know basically just having thoughts as Kendall, in that final scene,
00:40:57
Speaker
they after they called cut, people had to pull him away from the railing because he was going to jump into the water. Like he was like the suicidal, like depressed mindset of Kendall. So he was just going to like jump in. i would find that annoying.
00:41:14
Speaker
ah but i don't want to hang out with this guy. He's just a co-worker and I'm leaving it at that. co-worker we don't invite to hang after work. Does he just do it on set or is he like after you go get drinks afterwards and he's like...
00:41:33
Speaker
like either being coked out Kendall or depressed Kendall or something who like you like but it is is is that his vibe I don't know i think I think he probably can be nor normal in the is the least as normal as like actors can be you know but yeah well so Jeremy strong coming to the MCU is the point of that.
00:41:55
Speaker
That's that on the MCU talk. You got another movie you want to bring to the table from this year? Um, I watched the other night, uh, this, this movie, I don't even know if it got a ah theatrical release.
00:42:09
Speaker
Um, um, This indie filmmaker, Duncan Skiles, I've never seen it said out loud, but his first movie from a few years ago, the Clove Hitch Killer, I thought was so underrated.
00:42:24
Speaker
doesn't really have any huge names in it from what I can remember, but it's just like a really well-executed thriller. it like almost kind of gave Finchery vibes. like It's just like a really strong control of of tone this is his next i didn't know he had released another movie since i was like oh this is a great debut i would like keep an eye on this guy so he had a movie come out this year with um jack quaid and jeffrey dean morgan called neighborhood watch this one not like fintry tone like it's kind of shaggier and it almost feels a little more like uh if you've seen the the kid detective
00:43:00
Speaker
uh like where it's like a dark comedy but also yeah that's a good one i like that one a lot yeah it's like it's funny but you also by the as you follow through on this mystery like you're dealing with some dark shit like you don't shy away from like the implications of like where this investigation is is is going but but you still get like funny character interactions like because like him and Jeffrey Dean Morgan are a good like odd couple pairing like Jeffrey Dean Morgan is an ex security guard for a camp the you know a college who like definitely has wannabe cop vibes and then Jack Quaid
00:43:39
Speaker
In a role, I said this, I don't i think I said this in my Letterboxd review of like, it lays on like a lot of the tropes of like mental illness and like they're giving him like monk level like tics and like he hears voices. Like they give him all the things. Like he's like unwell.
00:43:59
Speaker
But Jack Quaid... pulls it off really well and like makes us feel like a grounded like actual person that you can sympathize with uh so i think like he did it might be my favorite performance by him because like i can my mileage can vary on stuff like if you're depict depicting like mental illness or any kind neurodivergence didn't even finish the ed norn movie motherless brooklyn where he has tourette's Cause like it felt so overdone, like, and I'm not even like someone where I'm like, well, they need to, you know, like I got family members of Tourette's, they better do this. Right. I was just like annoyed watching the movie where I'm like, I feel like you're doing too much Edward Norton. You're putting too much sput sauce on Cause he directed and wrote it too. So I'm like, come on, man. Like you could, you couldn't like, and think he handled it with care.
00:44:47
Speaker
It was just, i haven't seen it. Yeah. it's a really big performance like he has he has capital t ture oh man that's serious yes
00:45:02
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fuck she No, and I know it's like a thing that people, you know, there's varying degrees of severity that people have it. Like there are people who have it as severely as that character does. I just didn't buy it from Edward Norton. Like I just saw the actor wanting to play a Tourette's guy kind of like it and maybe because he wrote and directed that I couldn't like separate myself from like, you just wanted to do this. Play a Tourette's guy. Yeah.
00:45:30
Speaker
every everyone Every actor's fantasy that's like on their bingo card, they're like, okay, I played a Tourette's guy. That's what Tom Cruise is doing with ah the Revenant guy, right?
00:45:40
Speaker
Is he? Is that what that's about? No. it's That would be ridiculous. Whatever they're doing, I'm pretty sure is ridiculous, too. I think they're going to space with that one, maybe. Or is that the Duggan? No, that's the comedy, actually.
00:45:52
Speaker
It's supposed to be a comedy. He's attached himself to a lot of things. Cause like, we'll get to more Tom talk later, but like, I
Tom Cruise and Filmmaking Simplicity
00:46:00
Speaker
thought as he was wrapping up the mission impossibles that like, it's like, Oh, okay. Like he's kind of doing a victory lap on his like big action franchises. And then he's going to go back to like the auteur based career he had before, which he is working with, with some big, uh, you know, other directors that he hasn't before, but he's also doing more sequels still. Cause like top gun three kind of seems like it's going to happen.
00:46:24
Speaker
I just want him in Tarantino's last movie, man. i want to figure I want them to figure that out. Once the Coens are fully back together, once they put those bunk beds back together, what if we got Tom and the Coen brothers?
00:46:38
Speaker
i I mean, I'd love that. don't see any issue with that. I'd have zero issue with that. Tom has the range where you could either he could do the Brad Pitt buffoon thing from Burn After Reading, where it's like it's so funny to see this guy be like completely vacant, empty-headed.
00:46:54
Speaker
or Or it's kind of more like what George Clooney plays. up but with screw It's the fun of seeing like ah normally this guy is so cool, but he's like an idiot. yeah but Or you could go the other way and he could be like a Coen Brothers villain. like Because like he had like after Collateral, I would like to see some more of that like human shark energy basically that Vincent has where he he just looks like like a primal animal stalking something. Sure.
00:47:22
Speaker
Which is what Tom Cruise does for fun. He hunts humans. I'm just kidding, Tom. I know you listen. ah That's good. ah So Neighborhood Watch. It's it's good. Jeffrey Dean Morgan, also good. it's it's a fun It's a fun odd pairing. It's a it's a brisk 90 minutes. and it's Yeah, it's it's it's good. i i'm ah I'm a sucker for movies.
00:47:46
Speaker
I ah keep referencing hyper-specific sub-genres, but I like when there's like a mystery and like the characters involved have no official reason. like They're not detectives or cops.
00:47:58
Speaker
They're kind of just a person who either wants to do the right thing, like Jack Quaid's character, or kind of have nothing else better going on, so they're kind of just are like looking into it anyway. like It kind of reminds me of ah Andrew Garfield under the Silver Lake. like Good movie. He just met this, he knew this girl for like i a night, I think. And then he like spends the rest of the movie looking for Like, which I'm not saying like, ah which if a missing woman should be found, you know, but I'm not objecting to to that. and no
00:48:30
Speaker
But he's not like. in ah His obsession with it. yeah How much he gives himself over to finding this woman after barely knowing her. And he doesn't seem altruistic either. it's Like. It's fantastical, though. It feels like it's out of a dream. i really like Under the Silver Lake a lot.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I really like that movie. Shout out Silver Lake. Might still be streaming on Amazon. Go go watch that. ah So, yeah, that that's what that's what I got on my list. Neighborhood Watch, hell yeah. How did you watch it?
00:49:03
Speaker
it's it's It's on demand. and You can rent it, buy it. Hell yeah. Nice. I got a recommendation for you and the listeners. i This won't be too long because my memory is not the best, folks.
00:49:17
Speaker
um No, I also don't want to spoil this one too much, but Tornado, directed by John McLean.
00:49:28
Speaker
John McLean, he's a guy who did Slow West. I don't know if you've seen that before. I've heard of it and wanted to see it. Tornado. i really, really enjoyed this movie. I thought it was pretty great. It was one that just... I found it exciting almost from beginning to end. It really warmed my heart. It's one where they have bad guys that are so just...
00:49:53
Speaker
conventionally despicable and heroes that are like underdogs in a way it's it's very simple but sweet and hits all the right spots i really enjoyed it i enjoyed the look the feel of it it Really, lately I've been watching movies in a way kind of just focusing on the filmmaking aspects of it.
00:50:16
Speaker
Just like, what was it like behind the camera while they were doing all of this? How would they have executed this? What did this look like on the page? And Tornado was one I just... got so interested in and caught up in.
00:50:30
Speaker
And I just have such an appreciation for a movie this simple that hits all all the spots. you know It's very like Spielberg's Duel or something like that. I really enjoyed it. it has ah you know You could call it like a Tarantino ripoff maybe, but without like the substance of a Tarantino movie.
00:50:52
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, but there's good versions of Tarantino ripoffs because like I've heard people say that about, what was that really good thriller from last year? Death Proof?
00:51:03
Speaker
Oh. Not Death Proof, no. no Not an actual Tarantino movie. The one that was shot by Giovanni Ribisi. Oh, Strange Darling. Yeah. love that movie. I hate when people trash on that.
00:51:14
Speaker
I mean, if you say it's a Tarantino ripoff is a derogative, like I don't get like it's like, yeah, there's some he also Tarantino did invent the non-linear narrative. He he was no one before Pulp Fiction thought, what if I told him?
00:51:30
Speaker
Even his previous movie, he does it out of order. No one before Tarantino was like, what if I told a movie not in order? I mean, who even says he did it the best? Who even says he did it the best in Pulp
Tarantino and Anderson's Unique Styles
00:51:41
Speaker
Fiction? he does it a couple times. yeah like, honestly, as I get, i like, I'm not saying Pulp Fiction's bad, but, like, it's not at the top of my Tarantino ranking. It's my number four, if I remember correctly. like Jackie Brown, number one with the bullet.
00:51:56
Speaker
Yeah, Jackie Brown. And then think Glorious Bastards, too. Yep. And then everything else is kind of I need to to rewatch because Once Upon a Time kept climbing for me. love Once Upon a Time. I struggle a little bit with that. Like, I like the ending, but I don't love it, like, in the way that I do the rest of it. Like, I kind of love it just hanging out.
00:52:17
Speaker
And then when when the violence happens, it almost felt like an obligation where he's just like, well, I got to do, you know, you know me, I'm Tarantino, so we're going to have some hyper violence. right i love the why it's happening no i love the why it's happening but i'm just i'm just like the the the rest of the movie is more my i'm just i just want hang out in old hollywood or 60s no it's awesome sharon tate going around just doing her she just goes to the movies it's one of dicaprio's best performances i think
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he gives great performances in Tarantino movies because he's also excellent in Django. And honestly, when I rewatch, every time I rewatch Hateful Eight, I think that might be a little higher in my rankings too. Because like some people put that towards the bottom of Tarantino rankings. But I'm like... I loved Hateful Eight. I had a good time watching it at the roadshow with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw it at the roadshow, but even rewatching it home...
00:53:19
Speaker
Like, I'm like, this is like a play, a like, but in a good way. Like, there's movies where I'm like, you could make a play out of this, but like, there's something satisfying about the cinematic, like, interpretation of like this, like very contained story. It's a very special movie for me, especially Samuel Jackson being at the lead of that. Like that being his Tarantino movie. You could argue, ah because it's like which Samuel Jackson, he's good in all of them, in all movies.
00:53:48
Speaker
the Tarantino movies but you could make an argument for Hateful Eight being his best one I might make the argument for Jackie Brown he's really really good at Django because like that character has layers and in in a way that's interesting because like if people know the the story of like but Will Smith passing on it because he's like I don't get to kill the big bad which is funny ah ah but I'm like Leo's kind of not the big, the yeah, he's evil, you gotta kill that guy, but like the way, the specificity of Samuel Jackson's character, like, yeah, no, this is the final boss. like He's evil to like a different degree than DiCaprio.
00:54:34
Speaker
you know Almost more despicable because like DiCaprio is like the evil of the time of like not giving him an excuse, but it's like what he was doing was pretty normalized for that society.
00:54:45
Speaker
yeah You know, like he's slavery was legal, so he's doing that. ah but like for Samuel Jackson to be... Because he's not he's not just like playing along for survival. you know like He he's he he like enjoys his position. Yeah, it feels like there's real hate in Samuel Jackson.
00:55:07
Speaker
like He resents Django, someone who's like actually... like trying to be free or free other people. He's like, how dare you? who like I rewatched Django earlier this year and it was my favorite rewatch of that movie. Django is one of the Tarantinos I've struggled with the most.
00:55:26
Speaker
It's got a really shaggy and weird structure. Yes, exactly. Like, cause it kind of nailed it. Cause it kind of almost hands off like perspicka cause like, yeah, Django is immediately, you know, like he buys them at the beginning, but we're still like, really, it's kind of Christoph Waltz's movie.
00:55:45
Speaker
And then really, then we get to Candyland after all that, then we're like, okay, baton pass Django, I mean, it's pretty interesting that it takes off, it takes out a ah lead. Would you put Christoph Waltz in lead or supporting?
00:56:00
Speaker
i feel like it's a co-lead. It's a two-hander. Yeah, you take him out and then you take out, like, the villain that we've been with the whole time. you eliminate both of them. Spoilers for Django. Yeah. If you haven't seen it.
00:56:12
Speaker
Yeah, I know. I love how subversive that is because, like, yeah, you wouldn't think, you like, okay, maybe one of those guys gets killed before the, like, climax. You're like, oh, both of them are? well So what does the end of this movie look like? Yeah.
00:56:24
Speaker
Oh, man. I fucking, yeah. Now Death Proof is the only Tarantino I struggle with at this point. I really like the Death Proof ending. only seen Death Proof once.
00:56:35
Speaker
I've only seen it once. he And in with great theatrical experience, like the whole grindhouse experience I love. Like, that was – seeing that with my uncle was, like, you know, like a top theatrical experience. ah But, like – That's so cool. You saw it in theaters? Yeah. Nice. Nice.
00:56:51
Speaker
Yeah, if with the fake trailers in between and everything. Yeah, but then it was immediately i was like, oh, I like Planet Terror so much better. Like that was my walk away from Grinehouse. I didn't like Planet Terror. I saw those both of these Tarantino movies. ah No, I saw Planet Terror at a younger age and I saw Death Proof. I came to Death Proof a lot later.
00:57:11
Speaker
Okay. I have Death Proof on Blu-ray actually, I think. i For me, Planet Terror is, it's not like Rodriguez's best movie, but it's almost like. No, Spy Kids 2 is his best.
00:57:26
Speaker
You haven't seen 3 to determine that 3 is your favorite yet, but. Right. Spy Kids 2 is his best. But it's like the most Rodriguez movie, if that makes sense, kind of. Spy Kids 2?
00:57:38
Speaker
No, Planet Terror. Oh, yeah. Eh, debatable. and I haven't seen Spy Kids 4 yet, so I can't really say. Although, now that I'm thinking about it, you could make, you know, if you've heard the term ah vulgar altruism that people throw around for people like like Michael Bay, you could you could describe Rodriguez as a like a maximalist filmmaker because I'm like, what is he holding back? Even when his movies are like kind of just whatever or, you know, like disposable. he
00:58:11
Speaker
He's doing a lot. usually yeah see you see him as the maximalist filmmaker that the public sees him as I see him as the dad do a daughter that he loves on Instagram oh yeah he really loves his daughter he's like in a band with his daughter or something they like play music together I saw him like playing a concert that he like directed and played guitar and sang it's so cool shout out to Robert Rodriguez close and personal friend of the podcast
00:58:43
Speaker
Yeah, dude, Spike is three for us. We didn't finish the trailer. Also, Nick hasn't seen Sin City, your best movie. um Yeah, Tornado, though. i It's still in theaters right now. so I might try to. You should definitely go see I want to see that. I still got to see Phoenician Scheme. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can probably skip that one for now, right?
00:59:08
Speaker
I got Does Wes need your help? He needs me, man. He doesn't seem like he's having a hard time cranking out a movie every year or so. Which is almost impressive that he gets do- He's got that Netflix money now.
00:59:21
Speaker
Oh, that's right. I still- has like seven shorts for them or something like that? still have to watch those. I don't really know. know like so little about Wes Anderson. He's a very big blind spot. I mean, I don't know how much I could tell you about him as a person, but i like I like his movies. I like- don't like a lot of his movies. i A lot is a lot to say. I don't like Fantastic Mr. Fox.
00:59:43
Speaker
I think that's a nice movie, but those are my favorite. i I just, I think he makes... I like Short City a lot. I think he makes very nice dollhouses that surprise... Because, like, here's the thing.
00:59:55
Speaker
the cute aesthetic and like kind of artifice of the movie you would think would like emotionally distance you which some people do say his movies are cold and I really disagree because like that almost catches you off guard like there's some of real emotional gut punches in in his films and like I feel like the more he leans into like the kind of cartoon, almost live-action doll cartoon style that he does, the more off-guard that those emotional gut... It'll be like, oh, fuck. This movie aesthetically is so cute and pleasant, and you're just like, oh, shit. that
01:00:33
Speaker
like You got me with some real shit just then. Do you think he's just cranking him out at this point, though? um I haven't seen Fadisius Ski, but from what Isle of Dogs felt like a I'm just cranking it out type of movie. I really like Asteroid City.
01:00:50
Speaker
I like the one he did before that too. ah French Dispatch? Yes. I like French Dispatch a lot. Yeah, I like Asteroid City more. that was That was surprisingly my jam. I think about re-watching Asteroid City all the time.
01:01:01
Speaker
I should re-watch Asteroid City. That movie's great. ah He did Royal Tenenbaums? Yeah, yeah. That's great. I haven't seen Grand Budapest. That's my number one.
01:01:12
Speaker
Didn't like Fantastic Mr. Fox. What else has he done? Throw out some Wesses. Darjeet Limited? Haven't seen. Haven't seen Life Aquatic. and Okay, I was about to say that. Rushmore? Haven't seen.
01:01:24
Speaker
Bottle Rockets? I still haven't seen Bottle Rockets. I have that. I haven't seen it. Did we just go for it? I'm sure this is a riveting podcast. Is that all of them? He has that few.
01:01:36
Speaker
He's probably got more. Isle of Dogs, haven't seen it. I feel like we just kind of casually rattled them all off. Yeah, maybe. all Well, Tornado. Oh, yeah, we're on Phoenician's game. Well, i have I haven't seen him. i want to yeah I'll have more to say about that once once I see it.
01:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, go see Tornado, though. That'll probably be out of theaters pretty soon. Buy it. I'm going to own this. I really liked it. It was like, it verb i know we're dragging this on and we went on seven different tangents,
01:02:04
Speaker
It reminded me of someone who used to be our friend, who I won't say, but a movie that they would like and they would potentially make if they got into filmmaking. And it kind of reminded me of that era of us all hanging out together watching Tornado. Okay, I know exactly what you're talking about, and that makes sense. so yeah i je I mean, I was already interested to see it, but like that makes it sound like a pretty special watch.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, it was a nice movie. I liked it. But yeah, Tornado, guys, go see it in theaters now. um This next one is a movie I would say don't rush out to see Like, I didn't hate hate it, but it is at the bottom of my list.
01:02:52
Speaker
ah But I've also not seen a lot of movies this year. Drop by Christopher Landon. Oh, my girlfriend and I have been trying to watch this for a while. She really wants to see it. There's interesting, like visually, I've i've never seen a Christopher Landon thing. He did the Happy Death Days. I heard those. I like the first one a lot. i want is I want to see those because in ah it seems like he does like a fun twist on the thing. And then on paper, this sounds like a good kind of thriller where it's like, oh, this woman is being like...
01:03:25
Speaker
airdropped instruction like she's basically like under someone's control who she doesn't know who it is in this restaurant telling her to to to do shit and it's like kind of contained you're mostly just at that restaurant uh yeah it's it's it's like contained and you're you're in the restaurant for most of the movies so i appreciate like that structure and like that kind of thriller that like hones in on a thing ah like that but There's just, like, things about it that were, like, kind of a little too iffy or goofy for for me.
01:03:57
Speaker
i mean, and maybe this is just me as... i'm just a chicago guy you know but uh wait so it is a chicago based movie i read your review it's not it's not really it they say it's chicago they keep saying yeah sorry if you're repeating yourself no it's no it's fine i i like yeah they have like an uh waiter who does ah improv at second city and that sucks they talk about the black hawks and but It's so filmed on a soundstage. I mean, I'm i'm sure it was filmed somewhere really nice in Canada.
01:04:33
Speaker
You know? Like, it doesn't... When you're in the city... Like, the city skyline doesn't even look like they, like, digitally, like, tried to make it look so like Chicago. Like, like god Lake Michigan is green this week.
01:04:47
Speaker
I almost would have appreciated more if they leaned into, like, this is, like, a weird alien world where, like, Chicago is, like...
Critique of 'Drop' and 'Presence'
01:04:55
Speaker
There's, don't know. Everything is Chicago. It's all Chicago. There's like people who just float around. It's like grab gravity goes in and out.
01:05:06
Speaker
ah Like, ah it's, there's neat ideas in this movie, and visually there's like some shots where was like, ooh, you kind of were cooking there, but it leans on a lot of lazy stuff. ah But I still want to give ah his other movies a chance. So, I mean, you know, I'm not saying don't don't watch it, but it's it' it doesn't need to be anyone's priority. So that's Drop.
01:05:29
Speaker
Hell yeah. um I kind of want to talk about ah one that I think we've both seen that we have an appreciation for that.
01:05:41
Speaker
We can probably knock out two at once, actually. um Hold on, I'm going to get a drink of water. Sorry, listeners. I think, no, the viewers love this shit.
01:05:52
Speaker
They do. They can see it. They can smell It's kind of like a 4DX experience. I was just about to say that. This is 4DX podcasting. I'll leave it all in. um So, presence. this I do this when we're going. Yeah, when you said, ah did you pick up on it when I said we can knock out two at once? Well, i my mind went two different directions of the two it could be. I think mean like the two Soderberghs? two Sodys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:20
Speaker
Both them thumbs up for me. Thumbs up? Yeah. Right now, Presence is my number two movie of the year. i like fucking... it was one that like i saw it and I was like, yeah, three and a half stars. I think I walked out of the theater. I really liked the vibe. I was sucked into it.
01:06:38
Speaker
I liked the whole iPhone look behind the movie, but then i just, it stayed with me the whole time. I never stopped thinking about it. I went out on a jump scare. The most like jolted I've been and like an emotional for presents. Yeah. Spoilers for presents.
01:06:55
Speaker
it's a very emotional jump scare which is why it stays it like it means cells yeah no i literally felt a you know like how people describe like who claim to have seen goes those people are fucking crazy but they say those looks they'll say like i gotta chill you know there's a chill in the room i felt that when and that scene Soderbergh, it was so successful.
01:07:18
Speaker
This movie, I thought about it for like so long after seeing it. I don't know why it stuck with me. I saw it at a really like depressing point in my ah like a year, i guess. it was just A big bummer. I wasn't going out to see many movies, and I was like, let me see the Soderbergh ghost movie. I thought it was going to be horror.
01:07:39
Speaker
It flirts with horror a little bit, but it like really yeah just stayed with me, and I've rewatched it I think twice since then. I would just throw it on, and I just get sucked right in. I love the family. i believe them as a family. It's brilliant. I've seen people criticize the right. ah You know, this is Soderbergh directed ah David Koepp, who he's I think both the movies this year were were kept co co-writing their Jurassic Park writer.
01:08:07
Speaker
Yes. Rebirth this year. He's he's rebirth in it. That's a weird subtitle. Unless Scarlett Johansson is going to give birth to a raptor. I think she's going to. And it might be good. We're going to will it into existence here on the podcast.
01:08:21
Speaker
ah Hey, if they make a good Jurassic Park sequel that's not Jurassic Park 3, I would be so happy. I don't think they're going to. Feels like a paycheck for a lot of the actors. so so The Mahershala is kind of sad.
01:08:34
Speaker
like what I'm going to be bummed when I watch. They're probably going to underutilize it. and he they wasted like ah was about to make up a ah huge number like they wasted a hundred years of his life not playing blade yeah like like because he has two oscars and like he kind of just did nothing while wait they were wait they're just like we just can't figure out blade ah Honestly, Kevin Feige saw him win that second Oscar and was like, this guy's had it too good for too long. yeah He did it to like hype him. He's like, we got Clipper's wings. Yeah. He's flying too close to the sun. That was a part of Marvel's assault on cinema.
01:09:13
Speaker
is Keeping him locked up for five years. Half a decade. God, that sucks. Well, at least there was a pandemic that, you know. Yeah. He probably got paid through.
01:09:25
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. yeah
01:09:32
Speaker
Anyway, presents. I don't know how we got. Oh, David Kemp. David Kemp. I like the script and I like the, how the family's written. The one I will give. So we already went into spoilers. Yeah. By the end, there's like a villainous turn.
01:09:46
Speaker
And that's the hardest part to sit through. It's hardest part to sit through in terms of I was uncomfortable in a tense way, but then also his character is written in a very, very over the top. Like he's like, he's like every stereotype of like, like an angsty T like he's like, yeah, I don't know. He's, he's like, it's some character from fucking American horror story. He's delivering like soliloquies randomly. It's like, okay, chill out, dude. Like, but,
01:10:12
Speaker
It's like, but the movie feels like he knows he's being watched by a ghost. He, he, yeah, it's almost like, ah yeah I mean, I'm not saying that this is like an intentional, like takedown of that kind of care, but yeah, it almost does come off as, is self self-aware, but the movie is so good that that doesn't even detract from it from me. Like this character. Cause like,
01:10:36
Speaker
the scene Some of the shit he's saying is nonsense, though. It's nonsense. The scenes leading up to that final scene where he goes full mustache twirling like, hey, I love evil.
01:10:48
Speaker
Death. Death. ah the that uh he's like do you see this it's so thin oh my god oh yeah so you could easily make fun of the writing for his character especially in in that scene we just did we just did easily i think the earlier are easiest work i think so we for it was barely an inconvenience uh Like earlier scenes with the sister feel more like a real – because like I was immediately clocking – I mean it's not like – it's like subtle, but like he the way they portray the kind of like – he's like, oh, it's up to you. It's your choice.
01:11:33
Speaker
But he's like – I thought the writing initially for his character was like kind of good in terms of like – that is a real kind of like manipulation yeah where where they like they act like that they're like sympathetic to you and like they're giving you the control and it like i feel like that's a form of like codependency you're creating Yes, yeah.
01:11:57
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, it he very quickly is up to no good, but, like, it's, i i thought that I thought the introduction of that character and, like, how we start to see that relationship, I'm i'm like, well, that happens, you know? Like, they don't, those guys don't go on those kind of soliloquies, usually they just do dark, bad things, but, like, yeah. Yeah.
01:12:20
Speaker
There's another like monologue. He goes on at a certain point when they're sitting there talking about life and he's just like this pain that I feel and so much. Well, I like that part of the overrottiness because he, I buy that he's being performative for her, you know, like that's almost part of the manipulation that he's like, it's not just, he's doing it for an audience. Like he knows a ghost or an audience is watching a ghost movie. Like at the very end, it's like, no, he's trying to like,
01:12:50
Speaker
That's part of the control where he's like, I get your pain. Like, I'm just like, I, I, I live that too. you I didn't have a friend die, but I'm also, I'm also fucked up, you know? I guess, I guess it's not like the acting or what he's doing. Cause I do an appreciation for what you're saying.
01:13:08
Speaker
It's the words that are coming out of his mouth where I'm like, and They don't necessarily make the most sense. I don't think any of that on purpose i don't think any teenage boy would say these words. Yeah. i don't Yeah.
01:13:21
Speaker
yeah Maybe David Koepp doesn't understand teenage boys in the way he should. David Koepp, hang out with some more teenage boys. That's yeah that's an official these-guise-guise recommendation. Do your job.
01:13:33
Speaker
Go to some high schools. Do some research. But yeah, presence. It's like four and a half, five stars for me. It's become a comfort watch. I really love the look of it.
01:13:44
Speaker
The iPhone look. Put this shit iMacs, man. iPhone, iMacs. Do some type of... I don't know. I really love... it The look, the feel, the mood, the family, it really all it's such a weird movie to work for me, but it's going to stick in my top 10.
01:14:04
Speaker
i loved it It left a mark on me, and i I think this year is just like I always have appreciated Soderbergh. I have still have lots of blind spots of him because he just is like constantly churning stuff out, but like I think this this is the year where it's clicking for me where I'm like,
01:14:21
Speaker
is he like maybe one of my top guys? Cause like, cause it's not, not just these two that he did this year. Like I went back earlier in the year, like just, I just threw on like the limey and I was watching that and like,
01:14:36
Speaker
It's almost like its own subgenre of like, where I'm like, yeah, this is a good three and a half, four star movie. And then by the end, I'm like, is this one of my favorite movies? Like, the emotional impact of it kind of sneaks up on you because of the rest the movie. So I don't want say the word quaint because I don't like...
01:14:55
Speaker
use that demeanor uh like like i'm and insulting the movie but like like especially the limey is almost like a hangout version of a crime movie because it like you you'd think like oh it's this tupperish gangster he wants revenge for his his dead dog but a lot of it is just him driving around with um what's that guy who's in um I know why I thought anger management came to mind. Jack Nicholson. Adam Sandler.
01:15:22
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ah No. Drew Barrymore. Hispanic guy. Hispanic guy.
Exploring Soderbergh's Filmography
01:15:28
Speaker
Pedro Pascal. yeah No, he kind of was the Pedro Pascal of of his...
01:15:35
Speaker
he's at paul thomas anderas He's in a Paul Thomas Anderson movies. Oh, Luis Guzman. Yeah. So it's just him. It's just a British guy, Luis Guzman, kind driving around L.A. for a lot of the movies. Like, these characters the characters in it it almost feels like, I'm like, this is actually the best live-action GTA movie because, like, the writing in GTA games when they're like, these characters are so quirky and eccentric and kind of mocking specific parts of American culture. Like, that's like...
01:16:05
Speaker
he sober does that so well with specifically in the line because it's kind of like a little bit taking pot shots at hollywood and in the phoniness of that that culture but um just the characterizations are so kind of like specific and weird like even just like random henchmen or goons or like I'm like the the way this guy is talking is like would not be what we would be spending this much time with like a hired thug in a movie who we like no way this guy is going to be that important but like the fact we're spending this much time with him and he's talking like this is like there's just like a specificity to it and then like yeah by the end there's like an emotional gut punch that like damn so Soderbergh he knows how to do it.
01:16:52
Speaker
So that's, anyway, that's the Limey. That's not a new movie that came out in 1999. But ah actually, what I will say about Soderbergh before we get into the next movie is ah he he's someone that's very hit or miss for me. So it is surprising that not only Presence worked for me, but I really enjoyed Black Bag.
01:17:14
Speaker
I thought Black Bag was really exciting. And spoilers for Black Bag. But there's like an interrogation type of scene going on with a lie detector test. That scene is incredible. It is. And also, i kind of agree with my female friends who've said that scene is like pretty erotic. And I'm like, it's kind of sexy. the the The whole movie has like a sexy vibe, even though no one's like actually fucking on screen.
01:17:39
Speaker
It's like, it's weird because it's like a kind of unglamorized spy thing in terms of like almost... Like, yes, it's definitely there is some stylization to it, but it feels more grounded in terms of like, this is how a spy agency would operate. Although I do, I saw ah Mutual Online make the post of like, I love spy therapists is the greatest fake job ever. Like, love Soderbergh, you're genius.
01:18:07
Speaker
Because I'm like... Yeah, wait a minute. That'd be such a huge security. I mean, they probably are psychologically evaluated so because they're trusted with high-level shit. They have to be. But like to just have like the in-house therapist is probably not how it works. Maybe it is. i don't know. Spies who listen to the show, ah send send me a dead drop. See, I know spy terms. I'm cool.
01:18:29
Speaker
Honestly, we'll get into it, but missed opportunity for Mission Impossible, actually. Ethan should have had a therapist. Ethan should have had a therapist. Honestly, Ethan go to therapy. I ben would rather ah hang off a biplane than go to therapy.
01:18:48
Speaker
I do think that a fast bender and Blanchette are very specific kinds of like attractive. So it is kind of nice to see them as a couple. It's like, Oh, I didn't imagine these guys together, but it makes sense. They're a uniquely hot couple. Yeah, and the fact that he's such a, like, he's kind of like a fastidious, like, neat freak, you know, like, there's, i like, the little... He's like a Magneto type, and she's like a Hela type, almost.
01:19:17
Speaker
Yeah, a little bit. little bit. No, I just like the characterization early on when ah he's like cleaning up after the first ah like dinner scene. And I love those dinner scenes. I love this movie is just conversations. It's just characters gathered, you know, around the table or in a room talking.
01:19:36
Speaker
And it's riveting the whole time. Like i'm I was not bored for a second. Yeah, it felt very big for how but honestly like small the movie is realistically. but But like I i just I'm locked into his ah because I'm trying like I don't try to get ahead of movies or like guess where the twist is going all the time. But since this movie is kind of about like someone trying to figure out their partner, like can i what is my wife up to? Can I trust her?
01:20:05
Speaker
I I've also just something romantic to me about the that he's just like ride or die for even when he he seems to trust that this is like setup. You know, we've already said spoilers that like someone is framing her that. But I feel like even if she was a traitor, he would still fully back her and do whatever to keep her. I'm like, this guy just loves his wife. He does. He's a real wife guy. I like a wife guy.
01:20:36
Speaker
He's a cutie. Oh man. He's just like all good spies, ah a ladies man, you know? But for only one specific lady, he's a lady man.
01:20:48
Speaker
A lady man. ah dig it. I'd be a lady man for Cate Blanchett, honestly. Yeah, and totally, if she was like a traitor, she was like, yo, I just gave Qaeda a nuclear weapon. I'd be like, babe, what? Say no more.
01:21:04
Speaker
That's what we gotta do. I gotta to say that I bought ah Black Bag and Presence. I really... It does surprise me. i don't know if Black Bag will stay in my top ten throughout the year, but Presence has a life. Black Bag rules, though.
01:21:18
Speaker
Guys, I don't know if a lot of people checked out Black Bag, and I don't think my girlfriend liked it that much. We had seen it together, but I yeah i found it really enjoyable. Oh, also shout out... in the The whole cast is like...
01:21:31
Speaker
so really good and hot but Tom Burke ah who's been just continually popping up and giving great performances I think the first thing I saw him in was Only God Forgives where he's like Gosling's scumbag pedophile brother like ah me everyone in that movie is nasty but he's like Only God could forgive that and and then he doesn't Spoilers for Only God Forgives there's no forgiving Only God could forgive that movie i
01:22:02
Speaker
I like that movie. It's weird. It's really weird, but I think I'm ultimately... Yeah, it's not bad. It's okay. I think I like it. It's not my favorite Refn by any stretch, but but then and then he was ah in Mank. He played Orson Welles, and then in Furiosa, he was Praetorian Jack, which I thought he was so fucking good in that, and then, ah yeah, he's...
01:22:27
Speaker
yeah he has some, some funny, good moments in, in, in black bag. Like I, I think he's like a great addition to the cast and I'm, I'm interested just cause all those roles I just listed are so different.
01:22:37
Speaker
So like, I, I'm just curious. I'm like, Oh, this guy can, can do some stuff. I want to, I want to see what he does next. Hell yeah. Um, you got anything else on black bag and presents?
01:22:49
Speaker
No, I'm just, um, I want to fill in these Soderbergh, uh, blind spots. I mean, Yeah, I and I'm sure I've seen don't even know that I've seen all of Aaron Brockovich, but something was just repelling me from that movie.
01:23:04
Speaker
And I don't even know, even if I sit down watch the whole thing, even if I don't like it, I'm like, well, maybe that's not the kind of Soderbergh that I'm going like it. like Because I think number one for me is maybe still Logan Lucky.
01:23:17
Speaker
I've rewatched that movie so much. Let me look at his filmography, actually. i Presence might be my favorite right now. Contagion is really good.
01:23:28
Speaker
I haven't seen Traffic. I so surprisingly also have not seen Trek. That's like a big movie of his that was like made of shit. I've seen mostly his like side movies. Not like that he, I doubt he sees his movies as side movies, but the ones that kind of just come out under the radar are more of the Soderberghs I've seen. Like No Sudden Move.
01:23:52
Speaker
No Sudden Move, yeah. I really i i think that one's pretty underrated. Seen Out of Sight. Out of Sight's great. Kimmy is pretty good, too. I think that's a good like quarantine movie. I've i've seen... lot of movies have tackled like the pandemic like in terms of like actually depicting lockdown.
01:24:12
Speaker
and i That's like... it's Obviously, everyone did have her experience of it. She has a specific thing going on with... why it's affecting her this way but like I i i appreciated that movie's take on on the pandemic I would say Presence, Contagion and Logan Lucky are my top three Soderberghs have you seen The Limey?
01:24:35
Speaker
I have not, no. I'd be interested in what you think of the line. It's good. He also did um Side Effects. I really want to see that too. I want to see that. I want to see Haywire.
01:24:51
Speaker
heard that's a good action movie. um What was the one you were telling me to add? Oh, Solaris. That's one I was looking for. The Limey. The Limey. Okay, added it right now.
01:25:02
Speaker
All right. um You got anything
Cultural Phenomenon: 'Sinners'
01:25:04
Speaker
on these two that we were just talking about? No, I i mean, Soderbergh. Yeah, he's crushing it this year. Hell yeah. Woo! You done to take a ah break for a second?
01:25:15
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. done. Cool.
01:25:33
Speaker
We're back. We're here, guys. Baba Booey, Baba Booey. course, my dog's going crazy the moment we jump back. What if this was the start of the zombie apocalypse? Like, she's barking, and we're like, ah, that's just, dogs just overreact to everything, and then it's like, you turn on the news, and it's like, fucking everything is on fire.
01:25:54
Speaker
And then we podcast into the apocalypse. Hell yeah. Exclusively... we're Right now, as far as we can tell, I'm assuming everyone else is dead, we're the only ones covering the apocalypse. And by covering it, I mean talking about some of the movies that came out leading up to it.
01:26:12
Speaker
ah Exactly. Hell yeah. Because what else matters at the end of the day? I like that that's become our podcast now. We talk about the movies that came out before the apocalypse. Yeah, I mean, it's going to take a while to get the film industry back up and running. It'll happen, though. there So many people died. First COVID, then the strikes. I mean, do do you think it can handle this, actually?
01:26:37
Speaker
can't. to handle everyone in Hollywood getting struck by a meteor and their brains eaten? No. i I mean, no. I think i think they'll come back. look they've They're tough. Yeah, they'll bounce back.
01:26:49
Speaker
i don't know why I threw a meteor there. I forgot. him yeah I said zombie initially, and then I turned it into a generic disaster. like well also There were zombies, and then also there was a meteor. Yeah, it came out of left field a little bit. but and They weren't related. It's not like the virus came from space. it's just No, it's just another thing.
01:27:10
Speaker
And my improv skills are so bad, I just didn't even yeah add on to it I didn't, yes, and the meteor. yeah
01:27:19
Speaker
But yeah, guys, we got a couple more movies we're going to talk about, but ah real quick, we're going to shout out um some some decent ones, I guess, you know, some ones that just weren't good enough to make the cut.
01:27:33
Speaker
ah I'll go first. ah Bring them down. Doug, did you see this one? No. Good one. Good revenge. Not revenge, but like just a very angry, bitter movie. I dug it ah Warfare.
01:27:46
Speaker
i still need to see that. I really enjoyed Warfare. i had a takeaway that I haven't seen a lot of people take away, but just about the Iraq war being a ah waste of time. that Okay, because I've seen so many people have a, and maybe, you know, Alex Garland overall, I'm pro, but I understand the critiques that people had of his previous two of men and ah Civil War, even though I think there I have a take on Civil War that I don't even know if that was his it intention, but like I kind of
01:28:21
Speaker
find there to be a little more there than it's kind of because seemingly is not saying anything i think it kind of is but but i think people came off of that off the civil war ah mentality too because i people were already just i feel like pre-reacting to warfare like oh it's just another war movie and it's not even about anything but i was like are you are i was assuming there was going to be more to it like really alex garland made an iraq war movie that wasn't It didn't have anything to say. That'd be very surprising. i know
01:28:54
Speaker
I know the guy was involved, and I don't know what he has to say or chooses to say or what their takes are on it. But watching it, I was just thinking, the movie is about just how dumb all of this is, how pointless it was.
01:29:09
Speaker
These people went here, and all of this happened for nothing. Like, what was accomplished? Yeah, even in this day, there was no purpose to anything happening.
01:29:20
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And they're, mean, the American soldiers come off as the aggressors 100%. Yeah. like Yeah, I thought it was very interesting. I really, really enjoyed it. And war movies aren't really my thing, typically. No, I kind of...
01:29:36
Speaker
yeah i i don't know remember if i've said this on mic but i i i start to zone up because like it's usually just i'm very character driven with stuff in a lot of war movies are just like we gotta do this it good go go go go and then i'm like but why are you doing it other than for my country you know like know like i um want to know like why what's what keeps you up at night man Yeah, and this really just felt like kids going in and not knowing what they were doing or why they were doing Which what that war was, so. Yeah, i've I got, you know, a lot out of it.
01:30:16
Speaker
And then ah Final Destination, that was pretty good. The Monkey, I enjoyed that. Found it deeply upsetting in a really good way. It's so it's funny, but then the upsetting stuff, the stuff with the mom really got to me.
01:30:31
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Like, that that kind of lingered with me after, like, because a lot of the deaths and stuff you can laugh are kind of, like, comical in a... Almost in a Final Destination, like, in terms of like, this is so over the top of the way this person's dying. But, like...
01:30:44
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Yeah, everything with the mom just made me feel sad. All of it made me feel sad. But I was really shook by The Monkey. it it was a such an effective horror movie. I want to watch it again.
01:30:57
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um i like how it just goes for it because, like, it's it's kind it's not like a large-scale movie in that sense that you're only following, like,
01:31:08
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a certain amount of characters, but the world, every time we're checking it, like, what's happening around the world around them, I like that that just, like, keeps going. Yeah. um A couple others.
01:31:23
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Watch the Skies. It's a small alien movie that I just found quaint, kind of charming. No one really talked about it. I think it might be some type of BBC production, but it...
01:31:36
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People got compared it to Spielberg and J.J. Abrams. Not quite, but I found it interesting. Watch the skies, you said it? Is that like a recent... Yeah, it's also, i said British, I think it's Swedish actually. UFO Sweden is also an alternative name for it.
01:31:54
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It was, I think, financed by this group called UFO Sweden, or it's based on them in some way. It's a very small movie. it's you know But right down the middle, I kind of enjoyed it.
01:32:07
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A little charming. you might A kid might like it. Okay. Yeah. ah So there's that. And then ah one of them days. I've somehow watched this movie three times. I really enjoy It's fun. I like, I would watch, i there are doing a sequel and I will watch it because it was, ah I mean, yeah, i I don't know. I just want there to be comedies again. Yeah, me too. And, I mean, Friendship, one of them days. We got two really strong ones.
01:32:38
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And the last one I'll talk about is Hurry Up Tomorrow. I was surprised by how bad this movie is. It's the more I think about it, the more... I'm angry. I kind of get at it and not a genuine anger, but it's more of a frustration.
01:32:54
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i don't know what Jenna Ortega is doing the weekend. I don't know how he is in other things, but he's not really a good actor in this. and The story feels very self-indulgent and kind of stupid. i think he got it his head that he could, he's in a very good movie, uncut gems for one scene. No, he thinks he's fucking David Lynch. Yeah. I think so i think I think he's like, that I'm the reason that movie's so good. He's in it like a second.
01:33:25
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It's a very weird movie. Barry Keoghan, think that's how you pronounce his name. she really He really is... like the The movie, I gave it two stars. That's all because of him. He's fucking electric. He's in that and Bring Them Down.
01:33:42
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When he's on screen, he's just... Man, it kind of makes me wonder if Jenna Ortega is a bad actress because I was like, this guy's saving a shitty movie. ah She's kind of just as bad right there with the movie. looking at her filmography. And it's not that great, right? Like, I want to give her a benefit of the doubt because this is, like, still early, you know, in terms of relatively, in terms of, like, you know...
01:34:07
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Yeah, maybe a lot of it. I feel like a lot of actors do kind of go through this when they hit big. A lot of bad movies start getting dumped. X is her best performance for me. X is her best movie, I think. Yeah, because I'm looking at at the other ones.
01:34:24
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and I was doing this the other day. i think it's X. That's her best movie, which is weird. That feels weird for how big she is. Oh, she's in Iron Man 3 as the president's daughter. She is. remember that, too. Let's not forget that.
01:34:40
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There's another actress who's in a Marvel movie, I think, who was young at the time. or maybe I'm wrong. I feel like I remember something else like that. But yeah, X might be her best movie. That's very weird for how big she is. Because I don't think her Wednesday Adam... and don't think that show's that good.
01:34:57
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Not her performance, but the show. in i I'm going to tell you right now, I'm probably never going to watch ah Yeah, it's not worth it. You won't like it. the I loved those Adams family movies when I was a kid, like the 90s ones. I've even seen some of the the original show. it's ah ah you know But i have I feel nothing when I see trailers or clips of that.
01:35:22
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Dude, you're mentioning like some kid shit. I want to tell you something I got into recently. Just real quick. Bluey. You want bluey now? Wallace and Gromit. Oh, Wallace Gromit. Fuck. Yeah. Wallace and Gromit. What were the two shorts? It was like something about the pants.
01:35:39
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And then it's right here. Bear with me, listeners. I'm sorry. So there's a new one. A Grand Day Out. A Grand Day Out was awesome. I loved that half hour short wrong trousers and the curse of the were rabbit.
01:35:54
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You said there's a new one. I know what you're talking about. It came out last year. It's on Netflix. ah The Vengeance Most Foul. Yeah, I almost put that on. ah But I did the were rabbit one.
01:36:05
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It's very good. The animation is incredible. Yeah. Shout out to Wallace and Gromit. um They're both great actors. We'll all say grounded. You got any more you want to run down? Or was there anything else on Jenna Ortega's?
01:36:19
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Well, I want there to be more. I'm i'm not rooting against her. Sounds like you're rooting against her. Sounds a lot to me like you hate her. i I think I could... Jen interrogated her whole filmography. I think I could do a better job than her agent.
01:36:35
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Let me just... but Jenna, I know you're listening. I'll represent you. I don't need much. you know Just give me my... i don't know what percentage they usually get, but I'll take less than your current agent and I'll get you in better movies.
01:36:49
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You know, I think you could play Wednesday Addams.
01:36:55
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Tim Burton, contact Doug Davenport. ah Tim, don't know, try harder. Timmy, cast him. He, you know.
01:37:06
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Maybe I'll bring something out of him. Maybe I'll bring, you know, that. that that He'll do it for SAG minimum. I'll do below same. That's how dedicated Doug is to the role of Wednesday.
01:37:18
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Yeah. Um, yeah. So yeah, those are my picks. You got any other ones? Any opinions on the weekend? Maybe. From what I could tell, not a good actor. and I also don't listen to his music. I don't know if it's bad. I just don't listen to it. so um Companion was a pretty good time.
01:37:41
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um Oh, and there's one I didn't shout out because you're going to shout it out too. And the listeners will know that. don't want to seem like I left it off the list. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, there's no other important films. nothing else important came out this year. Yeah. No, we just structured this a certain way. Yeah.
01:38:02
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um I liked Companion. It's a nice little movie. You like Companion? It's, yeah it's, it's kind of like, pretty good it's like a black mirror. up I like movies, especially sci-fi ones that feel like feature length twilight zone episodes.
01:38:17
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And this kind of felt like, like a black mirror episode that kind of went on like a little longer. uh, yeah, the performances were, were really solid. Uh, I, yeah, I'm not going to even spoil the movie. Like if you know what it's because I knew like the initial premise and I thought I there was I was like, oh, well, now I kind of just know every I kind of wish I knew didn't even know that about the movie. But there's like it it's surprisingly like kept kept inverting what i thought the movie was in clever and fun ways so like it's it's a brisk watch too it's on uh max or is it hbo max now like so yeah um companion it's it's uh nice oh also on uh hbo max real quick uh jesse armstrong the creator secession ah and co-creatoror of creator of Peep Show, I believe. Or he wrote on Peep Show. He was a part of Peep Show.
01:39:12
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ah Mountainhead. He has a new satire movie out ah that's... It definitely has like the tone of a Secession episode, but it's like what if they were bigger assholes...
01:39:27
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and had even more access to power but if a good chunk of the movie is just like billionaires like ribbing each other it it like say awful shit and and then which i was like enjoying the cl you know the it's just he's a good writer so the like writing of of of that was was enjoyable but i was like yeah this is like you know makes sense that this is a tv movie There is a turn, and once that turn happens, I was like, okay, this is actually pretty good. ah And, yeah, it's not a long movie, but it's streaming on Max. That's Mountainhead.
01:40:07
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Mountainhead. Is that everything you wanted to shout out? there's There's literally no other things that came out. there's this one movie, Sinners. Have you heard of that? I think so. Yeah. No one's really talking about it. Ooh, I burped on Mike. Wow. Bad timing.
01:40:24
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Kind of just like flew under the radar. Okay. So Sinners. I fucking love this movie. only, you know, I was, this has been a weird year for just movies in terms of watching them for me. I was spent a lot the year not even going to the theaters, but like,
01:40:43
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I only saw this once in theaters, but since it's only been on home release for a week, I've already rewatched it twice. So I've watched this movie three times now. I like it more every time I watch it.
01:40:58
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It's... it's my favorite cooler ah i think it's a special movie because it's like one i love the reaction to it that like a movie this but because it's like a prohibition gangster setting but then also ah there's vampires it's a horror movie but then there's also like a really I mean, some people want to genre gatekeep on like, what is it? Is it a musical?
01:41:29
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There's a ah large chunk of this movie is dedicated to music performances and I'm going to call it a musical. ah So it's like a vampire gangster musical.
01:41:42
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And so it's like the, this fusion of all these things is so weird and specific. And for this movie to be that successful is like, I don't know. That's like makes me feel really good that Kugler was able to.
01:41:53
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It just feels like unbridled creativity, like that that he was not restrained in any form. in And that that's I think was the case. And he says this is his most personal of film. I mean, I don't know everything about his. his It feels like it. Yeah, there's there's there there's there's a specificity to it that makes it feel very personal.
01:42:17
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And i I especially in the characterization of Michael B. Jordan's characters, the two brothers, Smoke and Stack One, I just I just love that as like a naming convention.
01:42:28
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uh but it they're almost there's multiple scenes where i'm like i kind of feel like that these are like two halves of of ryan coogler because like there's uh the scene after they open the juke joint where they're like discussing like well we're not like making a profit really from this because so many of these people are just giving us like share uh cropper tokens which is you can redeem them at one general store that's not like real money uh but then the one brother's like well yeah but these people worked hard for we want for this to be successful like every our people need to be able to enjoy this and that i feel like is like him commenting on like and to make movies you need like a lot of money involved you kind of like you know if you're doing things at the level that he does i mean he's made marvel movies now it's like
01:43:16
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So it's, there's a lot of kind of compromise. You have to decide like, how much are you willing to, because like, once you start involving that kind of money, you have to, it's like, can you still keep your art pure? Like, like it it, can you just keep this, what you wanted it to be and how accessible should it be? Movies used to cost a fucking nickel to see. And now it's like 20 bucks if you don't have like ah a pass or whatever.
01:43:44
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So I think he's kind of like reflecting on of like, yeah, is this thing becoming like, you know, it's supposed to be like this populist thing that's for everyone, but it's like kind of not trending, not that way. And then sometimes to get these things made, does that become because the whole reason that he sends Haley Steinfeld to or Steinfeld, how do you say her name? Steinfeld. Steinfeld.
01:44:09
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uh who interestingly i because when her character is is like has a interesting dynamic with uh everyone else that she's she's like of mixed race her her grandfather was was half black um and then i looked that up that's true about her in real life too yeah i didn't know that at all i knew that going in yeah I heard that from the black man can't jump guys. They covered a movie with her and it, maybe it was Bumblebee, something like that. Oh, okay.
01:44:39
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Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Uh, so yeah, I, but anyway, back to the whole reason he sends her character out to the vampires and then this thing escalates is because, you know, they needed,
01:44:51
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that, might you know, they're like, oh well, maybe those white guys have some money because we're not making any money from this. And it's almost like what, kind you know, the compromises you make to like, to have your thing be successful, because like, that's what you need. If you're gonna like, you know, make movie like, are you kind of making a deal with the devil? Like, can you even maintain your sense of self? Because like, I've also never seen vampire you know monsters have been used as metaphor since their inception and i think that's like why those stories are so prevalent and we'll we'll be making things about vampires and zombies and frankensteins forever but like
01:45:28
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ah Even though I don't feel like at the box office or like even critically, conventional vampires have been done or received well recently. It's been when they've gone outside of the box, like a Sinners or like a Girl Walks Home Alone at night. Right. Because even Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula was like, I think critics panned that.
01:45:53
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Yeah, i i i love I still hear people who dog on that movie a lot. Yeah. and um And I don't know if you put Nosferatu in that category. No, that is a Dracula movie, yeah. That movie didn't fully work for me. It's one I've kind of grown apart from as time has passed. but I need to rewatch it.
01:46:14
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Yeah, and I've heard people also kind of share the same feelings about Nosferatu too. Just through talking, it's either like you loved it or you thought it was okay. No one I knew really like hated it I'm kind of in the okay camp. But I feel like overall when you're doing conventional vampires, like you're 30 days and night, it really doesn't hit in the same way. It's when you make it specific, personal, when you go outside of the box with it Yeah, no, I think just vampires alone doesn't make this movie the cultural phenomenon it is. And like saying, like, I can't think of another and maybe I'm just ignorant on on the the genre, but using vampires as like a metaphor for like assimilation and appropriation was like, I was like, this is so good.
01:47:03
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Like the, you know, Horror is... It's not like people some people talk about horror like it just became genre where you know people you could have like interesting messages or metaphors. and that's That's been part of the genre since... like forever but like i think when you can incorporate some some themes in that in a clever way like i just really and it's not just cleverness for cleverness sake like it has something to say about it and it's kind of just pondering on some things because i like i don't even know is if ryan cooler is coming to a definitive decision about because i don't think he's saying like becoming part of a larger thing is like
01:47:47
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bad ah ah ah you know like when people come from another country to America like and you become quote unquote an American that's not like an inherently bad thing but what are you giving up of yourself when you like want to fit in and like once you become part of that in group How does that then turn how you view other people? Because it's very it's also very smart that the villain is Irish and that he kind of has this mentality of like he's not racist. He's like like he's like I want to build a brotherhood of friendship. And I left every time they were like friendship and love.
01:48:25
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But but the the fact that he's kind of like he's almost like a vampire Magneto because he's just pitching to the black people. He's like, this country is not going to ever be for you. This world's not going to be for you. So like, fuck humans. Like, why?
01:48:40
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Let's just make our own thing. We can all do it. To get it's like it's very you get like the of i cut I'm like, well, if for someone in the 30s, a black person hearing that that's because it's like a not a bad pitch sounds kind of tempting.
01:48:55
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ah And so I just thought that was such a clever use and incorporation of those themes. um I yeah, I i didn't have. much more to say other than great movie written really go see it if you haven't um but oh i was gonna say like i like that this is bringing people out that don't normally go to the theaters not that every horror movie by a black director needs to be compared but like i'm just reminded of like get out you know like yeah and be my grandma saw get out and she
01:49:28
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could barely remember you know what she had for for breakfast and then the next day she was like talking about it like it's like oh this is like in and and horror stuff she never knew if there's even something a little bit gross she's like o who but it yeah the the sinner seems to be working in a similar way we're like yeah my mom doesn't watch horror movies but she well she sat her ass down for sinners and I also think, too, Sinner, so this summer, it seems like we're having, like, but it's probably not, I don't want to say, like, the best summer we've had box office-wise, but the best summer we've probably had in a very long time. i went to the theater the other day, and it was packed. The most packed the parking lot for the theater I go to has ever been to where there's a parking lot on the other side of it that no one ever parks at. it the Marcus over there? No, it's at AMC in Prestwood.
01:50:26
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There's like a whole backside parking lot. People had to park over there. And I kind of give that credit to sinners. And we haven't really seen... i mean, Barbenheimer did draw people out, but... And it's like, i don' even even though it's on for home release, theaters are keeping it playing still. like like And not just like one showing a day. So I think it's still making, people are still going to see it.
01:50:51
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And it's weird. I don't, people are still going to see it. I see people walking out of center screenings all the time. But... I feel like that's had people, it's kind of, i think a lot of people hadn't been going to the movie theater.
01:51:08
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They went out to see Sinners and then it maybe seeing Sinners was an event in and of itself. Like, are movies good? you say Going to the movies has become an event again, at least this summer. And I kind of give that to sinners.
01:51:22
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I not kind of, I fully give that to sinners and maybe people say the Minecraft movie a little bit. I think sinners is the Minecraft movies. and No, I mean, and Lilo and stitch too is really fucking blown up right now. I think that's going to dominate in the animated field, but, um, what's it called?
01:51:43
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uh, Oh, I think what I was going to say is I think what we're seeing in Ryan Coogler is so someone who's becoming like what Christopher Nolan is right now. He's on the track. I want to say Sinners, and like if I could pinpoint it in his career, is like the prestige right now. And where he's about to do like his inception. Well, it it be like Nolan's trajectory, like even if he had made the worst Batman movies ever, Batman movies make money, right? so But the fact that he made those at the level that he did then allowed him to do whatever when he did Inception.
01:52:22
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And then when Inception became a hit, it was like, oh, everything this guy does is an event now. Yeah. So the fact that, like I said, something so weird and specific as Sinners has become this phenomenon.
01:52:36
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Like whatever he does after Black Panther 3 is probably going to be big. And then after like he I think you like you said, like, yeah, he's at that level where it's just like these are huge films. He can big deal he can do whatever he want in like 25 years. I think the rights for Sinners revert back to him.
01:52:57
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which is unprecedented in terms of like ownership over your own. like i I wish it wasn't as rare as it is. but like And it's so appropriate for the movie itself. Yeah, because it'd be kind of fucked up if they're like, nah.
01:53:12
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They kind of had to. But also Warner Brothers, that's the studio, right? Warner Brothers, they look really good by releasing this movie, especially because from what it seems like other studios had passed on this.
01:53:27
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Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it's It's like how, why this guy's got a really, he's got a great track record and he's worked on small movies and big movies. He's, I mean, Creed alone should have gotten him the ability to do whatever he wanted to do. Then Black Panther after that should have gotten him the ability.
01:53:50
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It's like, i don't, I like Wakanda forever. I don't know other people's thoughts. It's a deeply sad movie. i I like how sad it is. too. It is. I don't love the choices that the MCU made. Right. Because I creatively, i wouldn't have killed T'Challa. Neither would I have. I would have cast.
01:54:09
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ah They had his family said they could recast. I don't think that's disrespectful to Chadwick to do that. Yeah, I don't understand holding... like It just feels weird. hold like One person can be these characters, you know each respective character. There's like You recast Batman all the time, and it's like if he had consent from the family, I don't know.
01:54:34
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I feel like you could have really... I enjoy, not enjoy, i gravitate towards deeply sad movies all the time, so Wakanda forever worked for me, but I feel like it didn't need to be so deeply sad. it It's like, these movies are should be for kids.
01:54:52
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Yeah, I think that's why appreciate because it was so different from like other Marvel movies. It was my top 10 of that year, like pretty pretty high up there. I enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. i I think we're on the same page with Wakanda Forever, but yeah, but based on his track record, he should be able to do whatever he wants, and hopefully that is the trajectory because he's he is a singular voice right now, and I i love when he's doing it. I want him to keep doing it.
01:55:20
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Yeah, same here. I echo that. Shout out to fucking Ryan Coogler. Shout out to the ripple effect he seems to be having, at least in my opinion, of the summer box office.
01:55:32
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I don't know if it'll carry over into winter. We were talking about Get Out earlier, and I think Get Out had a similar effect, but it came out in a cold season. I think
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01:55:41
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sinners was perfect time. There's actually other stuff after sinners. You could go see now, whereas and it felt like a communal thing. Seeing sinners, people were coming out in big groups talking about that movie. It was, you don't really see much like it.
01:55:57
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, I, I'm optimistic about what's going to come from, from the success of this. it's good. Good things all around. but We want to hop into the next one.
01:56:12
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Bring her back. I don't know why I used that voice. Is that Oliver's voice? Spoils for bring her back. That's how Oliver sounds.
01:56:25
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No, that's more of a British. You're closer to Sally Hawkins. So Sally Hawkins. I love her. I love her. I didn't realize how few movies she's been in, really, but she's great in everything I've seen her in.
01:56:37
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But she's fully not Australian. Like, she's English and Irish, I believe, but her Australian accent seems pretty spot. Maybe I just have a bad ear for accent because I'm a dumb American.
01:56:51
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I was like, does Doug have a bad ear for, no, kidding. I wondered if i had ah if I was like, maybe this is an over-the-top and bad Australian accent. Because I was like, this is i've looked up i was like she must be Australian. This is so convincing. I was like, I've only seen her in the shape of water, so i can't tell. Right. Yeah, no, I think she's just that good of an actress. like i think I think she could just do it. Not that accent work is like the only metric, because...
01:57:20
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But but but i've i i I think this performance is going to stay in my top list of of of the... I mean, we'll see what the rest of the year holds. But, like, I would love...
01:57:33
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You know, maybe this is pie in the sky stuff, but hey, we live in a world where something like The Substance got Oscar nominations, like ah you know, for this year. So if next year come more time, if we want to give a All Sally a nomination, I would be upset about that.
01:57:52
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Which I agree. i agree completely about giving Sally a nomination. I do want to say now having seen I'm Still Here, that movie is so, so good. i really want to rewatch it.
01:58:08
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I am so sorry. I don't know the name of the lead actress in that movie. She should have gotten best actress that year. It's a shame that movie did not get way more awards attention. I loved I'm Still Here so much. I still got to see it. It's great.
01:58:24
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I think you'll like it. It's a movie that I think about often and I'm ready to rewatch. I was ready to rewatch it the next day after watching. it It's great. But um Sally Hawkins, I would love if she got a nomination. I don't think that'll happen. Yeah.
01:58:38
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I don't think so either. Like I said, pi say I'm just talking about like my appreciation of like my personal, you know, at the, at the Juicies or at the Dougie, Dougie's award. She's, she's getting a nomination. This is one of those movies where everybody you look at, I mean, Sally Hawkins is a big actress, but everybody you look at and you're like, where did they find this person? They're incredible. Oh, I was thinking that about the brother where I'm like, brother's so good. He's magnetic.
01:59:05
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i I was like, has he been like, where did he come? Like, this is is now he should be a big deal in everything. Even the foster lady who's there. She's back in rule two, yeah.
01:59:18
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The dead dad, the sister, all of them are great. Oliver, every single person. it's ah Talk to Me was pretty similar to another movie that I love.
01:59:28
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i i think and I think overall, I tend to, I mean, we'll see how I feel a rewatch, but ah I think I overall like talk to me more, but I think the they're just honing their craft. like it's such a This feels more mature. it's more mature. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it just feels refined. Like they've, they, they become very efficient, like visual storytellers.
01:59:54
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and And then also in terms of like, uh, the emotional specificity of the character dynamics of the relationship, But that also adds, like, that makes the performances more impressive because, like, I feel like like this could easily be fucked up if you don't have good performances.
02:00:12
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Like, regardless of how good the rest of the filmmaking is, there's, like, almost, like, a high degree of difficulty for what... is and Especially for what ah Sally Hawkins has to do because, like, yeah, she's, like, the villain of the movie, but she also...
02:00:28
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is deeply so It's deeply sad. and like like it's it's like i you know I'm tearing up by the end of this even though she just... ah so Spoilers for bring her back. ghost really Go see it. ah you know She's about to drown this blind girl so she can bring back her daughter. After making another child eat another kid and now he's full of kid face on his stomach. demon belly bait kid walking around that's just like a really and he chews on a knife that's why I'm over here squirming and making noises because I can't stop thinking about the self harm awful there was already some some some shocking self harm to talk to me but the level goes to this and I immediately knew when he's like cutting the fruit I'm like what the fuck are you doing don't give that kid that knife that's obviously not a good idea but you were talking about Sally Hawkins being redeemable
02:01:25
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Wow, beautiful, strong word, but right I feel for because, like, yeah, she was about to do this horrible, horrible thing, but it's is so sad. like It is sad, man. She's too sad to even go through with it. Like, I like that, that it's not like there's no – the brother doesn't come back to life and save her at the last I know he dies when they get hit by the car, man. I was like, this is doing the shit that I wanted long legs to do. Honestly, this like, oh, this is bleak. Like people are getting mowed down. I mean, the fucking buckshot to the face and the driveway of long legs was pretty close. it's It still has like a kind of yeah this kind of hit the spots. I was hoping long legs would hit.
02:02:16
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Yeah, well, when she's, like, holding him down in that puddle, also, shout out. um Glass. I was like, glass reference, yeah. Is this movie a Glasterpiece? I think it's a Glasterpiece.
02:02:27
Speaker
Obviously intentional Shyamalan homage. It felt like it. I was like, I'm getting real Shyamalan glass vibes. Then we see, like, the clover tattoo on ah Sally Hawkins. Like, fuck.
02:02:40
Speaker
ah ah And then it turns out the whole thing was staged to catch Sally Hawkins. Yeah, you pulled out a curtain. It was all a trap.
02:02:52
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ah this whole Boston thing. since
02:02:56
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We knew. We saw the adoption paper in the the house. I don't know. Anyway, five stars. i love i mean these filmmakers. that Talk to Me is one of my all-time favorite recent horror movies, and Bringing Her Back is fucking right there, Australians in horror have a pretty good track record.
02:03:15
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and They've only gotten better over time, too. Like, The Loved Ones. see that. was see that That one, you know, they've come such a long way. I like this way more than that one, even though that one was pretty creative. It was interesting.
02:03:29
Speaker
Yeah. There's some stuff I'll never forget about from that movie, actually, which did at a very, like, impressionable time in my film-watching journey. Yeah, definitely. It's... ah No, yeah, this one's going stay with me, and I'm just interested to see where these guys go. i wasn't familiar with their YouTube stuff before, you know, like they did YouTube sketches and videos that, ah you know, had an audience before they became horror filmmakers. Have you watched any?
02:03:57
Speaker
I haven't, but I kind of am interested to go back and and and see what... Because even if it's like, it sounds like it's like very silly, you know, but like... There is also humor in their movies, which I appreciate. like Do the same with the Shazam director. Look up his shorts that he did on YouTube with him and his wife. It's very good. The Lights Out guy.
02:04:19
Speaker
Oh, I've seen the lights out short. It's very effective. No, not just that short. He has better shorts. Very interesting. Closet space. That's one I really liked. Okay, cool. Yeah, but I think that's... I mean, we're going to see more of that. like
Filmmakers' Transition from YouTube
02:04:34
Speaker
where Where else is there a better training ground for up-and-coming filmmakers where you could just put your thing out there and then fiddle with like what works and hone your skill? Like, this like this is there's Yeah, we're to have a whole generation of filmmakers that were like YouTubers. I mean, it they probably won't all be as good as these guys, but like you know that's I think that's cool and interesting yeah like that that's like the arc of this. It's discouraging how fucking fully formed these guys are. I'm like, they feel like they- Like, fuck me? That's your first movie? Fuck you.
02:05:11
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like, come on. You couldn't be bad like for two movies before this? you know, Shaman took a little bit before he got the Sixth Sense. Barbarian guy, weapons guy. Yeah, I was just about to say, Zach Krager pretends he made no other movies before Barbarian.
02:05:29
Speaker
Zach Krager's like, I came out of a hole in the ground and made Barbarian. Nothing happened before that. Yeah, you just got two fucking movies and they they're just getting better. You started off great and you're getting better.
02:05:42
Speaker
and And I'm sure at some point... It makes me feel like, Fuck. got it's like Yeah, fuck you guys. Not everybody gets to have it this... I mean, it's a testament to them. you know I'm sure they put it in the work.
02:05:57
Speaker
Right. Listening to them in interviews, they seem very laid back. Seems like they kind of had it easy. Yeah. Should have been a little harder. Pricks.
02:06:08
Speaker
Yeah. Shots fired. No. ah I, ah yeah, I've liked both of their movies so far. I want to see where they go from here.
02:06:20
Speaker
Also,
Analysis of 'Mission Impossible: Final Reckoning'
02:06:21
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i think i already said this, but I like the fact that both of these movies, I mean, Talk to Me has more overt, like, comedic beats and moments, but...
02:06:33
Speaker
there still is even for as sad and dark as this movie is there's still i have like a hundred percent this cut was intent like when she's like promising him in the hospital like oh i won't take her out in in the in the rain cut to taking her out like like it's it it just just that cut like felt like of like i was kind of cackling at how evil she was yeah i was like oh this is crazy oh man it That scene when they're at the funeral and she's like... a Kiss him.
02:07:09
Speaker
Kiss him. No, on the lips. On the lips. I was like, this is ah this is a real person. I've met this person in real life and they've asked me to do something uncomfortable like this in a way where they have a smile and they're like, no, this is normal. And I've left wondering like...
02:07:24
Speaker
are Are they not well mentally? Do they realize what they're doing? It's someone who's way overstepping because like that's the thing. like Immediately these kids have just moved in and I've never been the foster care system, but I assumed... Wait, you haven't?
02:07:42
Speaker
I've never known that about you before. I'm going to try it out. I heard good thing i heard good things about it. and You think you know a guy? Yeah.
02:07:53
Speaker
i'm I'm going to take the tour, but I think you're supposed to kind of like ease your way into like your foster child life, kind of like not be immediately invasive and like look at their phone and be like, kiss your dead dad on the list. Like, like your dead dad over immediately overstep your boundaries.
02:08:14
Speaker
Oh, if a lot of foster kids have had that problem. I think there's probably some really sad foster your dead dad. Oh, it's specifically that. They had to kiss through Ted I've cut in this freezer.
02:08:27
Speaker
I think this specific scenario happens way more than it's reported on. and Oh, man. Okay. Also, i just before we move on, I love that the VHS tapes.
02:08:40
Speaker
VHS is the scariest format ever. ah Good filmmakers recognize this. David Lynch knew this in Lost Highway with scary tapes. i A bunch of movies were – even if your movie said modern-day – if someone's going to watch something that's going scary, you better put that motherfucker on that VHS. Cause it's like, there's, it just, it just adds something to it.
02:09:03
Speaker
And the whole idea of this kind of like do it yourself. Cult ritual is like, so unique and like interest. It's like, and I like that they don't explain it. I heard somebody complain about this movie saying that they wish they explained more and they didn't explain anything. And I was like, what is wrong with you?
02:09:22
Speaker
That, They tell you everything you need to know about what's happening at that house specifically. can imagine how she would have got the VHS tape, how she would have arrived desperation, she's just like looking into anything, maybe hears about it like through some internet research. I don't need to see that. It's so fucked up. I would believe that there are VHS tapes like that in the world.
02:09:43
Speaker
Yeah. Not necessarily like footage of stuff like that. Maybe she never even met someone who was from this actual group. She just found the tape like it. ah But ah again, it the but point is she was desperate enough to find this and now do this like that that. That's the point. I don't need to see all of that.
02:10:04
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, what a doozy. Great movie. My number one of the year so far. Yeah, it's ah it's it's it's up there for me. i'm I'm going to rewatch it. ah it's There's some very... just i was I was uncomfortable for a large chunk of the movie, and I walked out feeling like shit.
02:10:26
Speaker
Two thumbs up. I walked out feeling inspired and like I could move a mountain. um I felt pretty awesome after watching. i was just like, what an incredible movie.
02:10:40
Speaker
What a work of art, the craft. the that the craft Oh, that part's inspiring. I just meant emotionally, like, the arc of the movie and stuff. Because, like, like I said, no one comes and saves this girl. Like, it's just, it's just, this woman is too sad to even follow through on, on, like, she can't see another girl drown. Yeah.
02:11:03
Speaker
And it's like, oh, I loved it, man. Right in my alley. 10 out 10. If you don't agree with me, then go chew on a knife or chew on the side of a cow. I love that. It's just like so hungry. It's like just much like when she comes home and the house is like a mess Like he's just been munching on shit.
02:11:24
Speaker
Like it's crazy. Like the fact that she's like drawn it out this long. You could tell like the thing inside him is just like it's like fucking hungry. Oh man. So that's everything on bring her back.
02:11:39
Speaker
This last one. When you yell about this last one, Would a yell about it? Yeah. but ah but bu boom ah but oh but oh but ah but but but but but um but but bu ba but well um um
02:12:04
Speaker
ah no oh um
02:12:11
Speaker
Light the Fuse. Mission Impossible. um Final Reckoning. The Final Reckoning part twice. Part two. Part dos. Let's just say spoilers from the top with this movie. Spoilers from the top. This is part two. It's the Final Reckoning. They finally reckoned.
02:12:29
Speaker
i don't think this is the last movie. i think i've I hope it is for a while. Oh, I think he's going to do a few other things before circling back. but I don't know if McQuarrie's going to come back.
02:12:43
Speaker
Maybe. We'll see. Yeah, I think he probably wants to do other stuff. Do you think they're maybe saving it, keeping it in their back pocket in case their careers start to go kerplunk again?
02:12:55
Speaker
He jumps on another couch and he's like, fuck. There's lot couches in the world. it's it's it's tough because like the world if you do the math it's like mostly couches yeah there's two couches to every person in the world from what i've heard just walks by them and he like starts sweating how funny if he just has like a couch addiction he's just like you just can't help it That was the issue. It wasn't the cult stuff, his marriage and his views on whatever. like that So this is treatment of couches. Yeah. his disrespect for the construct of a couch and its purpose.
02:13:39
Speaker
Yeah, he's just some people can't help themselves like that. No, I think I think they did intentionally leave it open like it. yeah If they don't make another one, that's fine. But I think they are.
02:13:52
Speaker
They did leave that door open. They wanted to close. They would like, okay, let's wrap up this entity thing. like' like let's go let's Let's make that. Even though that's almost open in a way that.
02:14:04
Speaker
Ethan could be the bad guy in the next one. He's got the entity at the very end. I guess I can start there too. Gabriel and the entity I didn't really like in dead reckoning. And this movie didn't win me over on those two. I feel like.
02:14:19
Speaker
Not fully buying into those two stopped me from loving this. I do like dead reckoning more. and don't hate this either. i think I liked dead reckoning more, but there's a lot that I do like. They're like very different, but like surprisingly, I was almost expecting like a filmed at the same time kind of thing, you know, the feel like of a, of a piece. And it's almost like an opposite movie.
02:14:46
Speaker
Yeah, doesn't really have the same feel. and like Characters don't even feel like they were in Dead Reckoning or they were playing the same characters in Dead Reckoning. Okay, the bigot I kind of like the turn with Gabriel being a full cartoon villain. I think it's just funny that he's like he's like, catch me if you can, Ethan. no! His line to is like, well, who will save Ray? or like he's like having he's like chewing the scenery yeah why does he hate ethan so much he's just he's just a professional hater i don't know he loves him ah but also wants to kill him it's just it's so weird they don't really do anything with him being from ethan's past no you like you think he doesn't even want to be friends with him anymore I like that part. I like... i Here's the thing that I think why it works for me. I love a good villain crash-out arc of, like, where someone's presented as being collected and in charge. Like, spoilers for season three of Justified, but when Robert Quarles shows up, he's, like, all professional, and, like, you're like, oh, this big city gangster, he's about to fucking run shit.
02:15:59
Speaker
And then halfway through the season, he, like, tussles with Boyd one time, and he's, like, addicted to Oxy, running around in his underwear, kidnapping kids and shit. Like, he, like... you like goes off the rails hard by the by the time he gets his comeuppance. And I kind of like seeing... Because, like, yeah, he's like completely different mannerism way of speaking with the entity. And, like, to me, that's like, oh, when you're, like, in sync with it, like, you spend time in that... I just like the idea that there's a fucking AI coffin where you talk to a an all-powerful...
02:16:34
Speaker
but artificial intelligence. That went on for like a little too long for me. And I, it didn't really tell him much. I wish it gave him more. Like, I don't know. It kind of just gave him the plot of the movie.
02:16:47
Speaker
Well, it doesn't want him to succeed, so it's good giving him enough to threaten him, kind of, and like tease him of, like, yeah, you're not going to be able to stop this. But, like, ah I don't know. i i i like i like I like that he goes in the coffin. I i thought there would be follow-up. Like, he talks to it one more time before they, like, shut it down. But I'm like, what would that even...
02:17:12
Speaker
be like it calls and Ethan on the phone and is like Ethan wait I'm actually gonna nuke the world for good like it tries to like fake him out or something like I was like what would that even be yeah what about Ving Rhames death i it felt so out of nowhere is Ving Rhames sick in real life I think in the coming years or sometime in the future we might find out that his health has the declined i think because like i was like it wouldn't have surprised me if he like passed away before this movie came out then we saw this and it's like it makes sense now it felt like one of those weird moments like i mean i i was fine with them just being like oh luther's sick even though we didn't set this up because i see a hospital bed i'm like oh shit luther's not doing too well
02:18:04
Speaker
But I think in real life, yes, Vigraebs, I mean, people have noticed that over the course of the past few movies, he's he's sitting down lot. ah He's not in Dead Reckoning that much.
02:18:15
Speaker
He literally leaves at one point where he's like, I gotta go hack and come up with a way to of beat the edit. But like yeah Like he's around a lot, but he's, it's like not, he doesn't seem like he's doing a whole lot.
02:18:29
Speaker
He provides emotional gravitas. He could show up and be like, Ethan, this is the theme of the movie. This is what you have to do. this is what we believe in.
02:18:41
Speaker
This is something that sounds really important because I have Big Raym's voice. I almost wish he just stayed. don't, I just, him dying, I don't know if it needed to go there or just not so, like, with an explosive, a giant explosive too. And it was just, the circumstances around it, everything around Luther's death rubbed me the wrong way. All of that being said, I have, like, a lot of criticisms I'm kind of getting out now.
02:19:12
Speaker
I, this movie's like very watchable. I'm looking forward to watching it again. The moment Ethan basically is heading for the submarine, I'm all in.
02:19:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. all the All the stuff when he goes to the Sevasta pool, but even... Even his underwear when he's roughhousing with the boys. Oh, when he's on the gay submarine where everyone's like watching him shower. Yeah.
02:19:38
Speaker
That was kind of exciting. I like that stuff. Oh, no. The vibe there was great. And I love the captain of that sub. Shout out that actor from Severance. He had some great line deliveries. Like...
02:19:50
Speaker
lot of people have already shouted out when he was like, it you must be out of your mind. Like, I love, he plays authority figures who talk in a, like, it's like a soft, harsh manner or almost, where it's like, he's like doing a light intonation, but he's like, you're like, oh, he's still in charge.
02:20:07
Speaker
But still, like, i it but but his dynamic with Ethan, where he's like almost like intrigued it almost kind of seems like turned on by like the more he hears about yeah like when Ethan's like, you're, ah you know, resurfacing pie was never part of my plan. And he's just like, yeah,
02:20:33
Speaker
He reacts to Ethan Hunt how we all should be of like, guy's really cool. I will say too, I was talking about it with ah my brother Kyle. and Because he was asking, how is it with the Tom Cruise jerk-off thing people have been talking about?
02:20:53
Speaker
I was telling him, you know, these movies have always kind of done that with Ethan Hunt, and it does spend a lot of time doing that.
02:21:03
Speaker
And maybe I'm just, like, ah I know the franchise, so I was able to look past it. It did start to bother me at points where I was just like, okay, like...
02:21:14
Speaker
I get A large chunk of this movie is dedicated to... Talking about how Ethan's the only one who can do it all. Well, and that you, Tom Cruise, have never done anything wrong in your life. yeah that ah Even the bad thing you thought you did, that actually was good. I wish the guy from the first movie but had a bit more like resentment towards him. i like... um I like that moment, bit but it's funny. It's just funny that that's like... oh Thank you.
02:21:46
Speaker
you are the best thing to ever happen to me next to meeting my wife, which I met because of you. Because of you. Because you ruined my life. Thank you.
02:21:57
Speaker
Yeah, by ruining my life, you saved my life. I didn't realize how unhappy I was until you... and then and then the i get i get not like in terms of quality someone said there's like there's like a rise of skywalker level family reveal in and like when they're like the shay wiggins character was like jim phelps jr i literally said what i don't laugh do that you i was like It felt like a joke.
02:22:30
Speaker
It felt like such a, i was like, oh man. It felt like a joke. I don't really like ah and Vanessa Kirby's character being related to Max too much either, but I forgave it a bit more.
02:22:44
Speaker
But this one, I was like, what are we doing here, guys? The movie's overly tidy in a lot of ways. the the The scene or moment that makes me okay with how silly and goofy it is, overall, it's a surprisingly goofy. but Like, if I was to rank the Mission Possible by funniest ones, this would probably be closer so even the moment leading up to the lighting the fuse and, like, the opening montage is, like, a comedy beat. Like, would would when he, like like, kills those guys. violently off screen that caught me off guard i was like what is the i didn't understand what the movie was doing i thought they were going to like kind of flip it on us a little bit but it didn't do anything it was just like no ethan killed those guys I thought i was going to try and frame it to be like, is Ethan Hunt a bad person and we should be questioning him? But it doesn't do anything with that. No, it's just, it's ha ha. It's funny that he went shit on on those guys. Haley Apple was horrified and he's like, what? Come on. You know, like it's all perfectly fine.
02:23:46
Speaker
None of the other movies have, ive to my memory, like the moment before we go to the death is usually like an intense dramatic or like a cool... thing i don't remember like going off on a joke even the like even oh the main there's not like a ton of mask reveals in it but the one in it is so quick and like clearly as a joke like when they're escorting uh uh pom clemento and like quickly like they pull he pulls off mid-fight you're like oh it's ethan like
02:24:17
Speaker
that That was done for... cop like I was like, usually the mask reveals aren't being played for for like laughs like that. Yeah. Which, I mean, if you want to have some fun on your last quote-quote last outing, i i i was laughing and enjoying it, so I wasn't i wasn't annoyed by it.
02:24:37
Speaker
I laughed so hard at the end when... um Gabriel... dies well that that was hilarious that's that's that's such a funny villain only i have a parachute ethan oh is eat shit immediately and surprisingly like we don't really see bloody deaths in this franchise no it caught me off guard we're like no we see his like his head is like kind of split in his head like he fucking dislodged into that shit yeah this I don't know what to make of any of that gotta I gotta rewatch this but what was the part that made you laugh
02:25:15
Speaker
would When he has the moment with Jim Phelps Jr. that's basically oh yeah the end of Spider-Man 3 with, like, I forgive you. ah ah But it's like a handshake.
02:25:26
Speaker
And then the handshake does, like, it it it felt like a joke because, like, the handshake is... and so they put way too much mustard on it for like a normal handshake how tom cruise shakes hands in real life kind of right hunt the character but tom cruise like a full body type of right yeah and then the way they yeah just the way they frank because it's like has stages to it like he just goes in for the initial shake and then it's like kind of like over it under thing like we're close we're like close up on the hand as he does it so i was like this is like shot for comedy you know this is like a funny moment. It was very uncomfortable and weird.
02:26:08
Speaker
Speaking of ha-has though, did you have any boo-hoos? Any cries? i I got teary-eyed twice in this movie. ah One of the times was ah Angela Bassett when she decides that she wasn't going to go with what everyone else was trying to convince her to do. I forgot what they were trying to convince her to do. They wanted her to start nuking the world. I...
02:26:34
Speaker
Yeah, and when she was like, I'm not doing that, and i I got pretty emotional right there. I love all the War Room stuff. I love that a large chunk of this movie is like, yes, the action stuff is so impressive, and, like, Tom Cruise is a fucking mad man for the stunt stuff. Like, he's posted behind-the-scenes stuff for, like, yeah, they did the flaming parachute thing. Like, they did, like, 20 takes of that. He's fucking crazy.
02:27:00
Speaker
But the non-action stuff of, like, It felt the movie had this apocalyptic tone of like, this feels like the end of of everything. and But we're not cutting to like other countries. We're only seeing the flags of other countries when they're teasing the nukes, but we're not seeing the war rooms of other countries, which adds to this paranoid feeling in the U S war room of like, well, we need to strike preemptively because everyone else is going to panic. So we need to like, you know, assert our, you know, dominance here. Like ah this is like, okay, everyone's freaking the fuck out. No one knows if they can trust anything. It's a lot like a rival a little bit. Yeah. And like, that's kind of like the ultimate message is like comm communicate.
02:27:44
Speaker
Like Ethan's like, we need to be kind. ah Okay. we need to communicate We need to have a conversation, have a discussion, whatever the megalopolis thing is.
02:27:55
Speaker
When we have a dialogue, that in itself is a utopia.
02:28:05
Speaker
That was the picture from Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis. Yeah. Best picture. We saw in IMAX. Just like this. I saw in IMAX, too. Yeah, I saw it in IMAX.
02:28:17
Speaker
So did I. Yeah. Not fake IMAX. um It's still better than a normal screen. I think the underwater sequence is my favorite stuff from this whole movie. Oh, that shit's awesome. And, like, also kind of atypical because it's, like, yes, it's a huge slow it's an our set piece, but it's, like, quiet.
02:28:36
Speaker
And, like, it's just the tension of, like, he's in this, you know, one wrong shift in this thing, and this is all going up. I always wish he did say torpedo tube or whatever, like, the sequence was completely silent because he does have a line where he says to himself, he's like...
02:28:56
Speaker
torpedo tube or something. And then he climbs into the torpedo tube. But, uh, yeah, that, that whole part was fucking awesome. Yeah. Reminded me of 2001, actually a movie I watched for the first time this year.
02:29:11
Speaker
Remind me a lot of that. Just slow paced, real, like i can watch my, so or see myself watching that scene just to relax. yeah Even though it's the first time watching, i almost was on the edge of my seat and it's like so tense. But yeah, I get what you're saying. It was, but I was like, man, there was something, ah seeing it in an IMAX was so cool because the screen was so big.
02:29:35
Speaker
It was so dark in there. like the scene itself is perfectly lit, lit in such a cool and realistic way. And just watching it, I was so enveloped in it.
02:29:49
Speaker
I couldn't, I was just, that was all I saw was this. And I was there right there with them locked in and it was so relaxed. It felt meditative in a way. No, i I get you. Cause I kind of entered like a, a Zed space when I was ah watching thats that, that sequence.
02:30:07
Speaker
ah Yeah, overall, i I want to watch it again, but i i had I had a really good time with it. I mean, i but obviously, but like this is kind of like by the way Marvel fans defend all those movies. like That's how I am for for this franchise. But...
02:30:24
Speaker
Yeah, the main complaint I would have ah is they you Like, I almost feel the... Like, the way they killed ah Ilsa off was weirder to me than the Luthor. Because at least, like...
02:30:43
Speaker
The Luther thing casts this like kind of like tension of like, oh, Ethan going to lose someone else trying to like stop this? you know like One of the main crew, Simon Pegg, seems like he might bite it at the end, and that feels more tenable because you've you've you've killed off Luther. But killing Rebecca Ferguson now in hindsight is like...
02:31:07
Speaker
They weren't sad enough about it. Also, it's weird it's weird that it's weird that this takes place to like two weeks later. like Ethan should be haunted by her death for the rest of his life.
02:31:17
Speaker
I didn't realize it was two weeks. I thought it was a couple months. Or maybe it's months. Yeah, was going to say, Hayley Atwell a completely different character. months is not enough time, though. I mean, it's too short.
02:31:31
Speaker
It's not enough time to... to to for him to be that over it because he doesn't seem haunted by that loss. And then also, like you said, Hayley Atwell is a completely different character. I thought Grace Dead Reckoning was so fun in her dynamic with Ethan.
02:31:45
Speaker
In this, she's just become the girl. She should be more amateurish, I feel like. i um What's it called? Rebecca Ferguson. so my thoughts on that, I wish that circumstances were different and she could have stayed in the movie, but she just really wanted...
02:32:03
Speaker
to get out and I get it, but that also does suck. That being said, I don't mind her death. Her death in Dead Reckoning feels more impactful within the movie that it's in than Luther's death feels in this movie.
02:32:20
Speaker
But overall, it does feel like her death should have carried over into this movie. They don't mention her at all. I know. It's like, Have you seen the conspiracy... theory could Well, I say conspiracy, but in the very last scene, which is an odd... for I was expecting they were going to do some kind of Dark Knight Rises thing where we think... It would have been I would have been a fan if they ripped it off. Where we think Ethan's dead and then we see him at a cafe, like, just do that ending.
02:32:47
Speaker
But the way that everyone walks off at the end, he starts walking off in the direction of a woman who, from the behind... Same hair as Ilsa. And same, she's worn that outfit before.
02:33:02
Speaker
And he's walking, Ethan's walking the same direction as this, this probably just an extra. But what some people, I mean, yes, that's major cope to be like, is that Ilsa?
02:33:14
Speaker
But is it? I don't know. it Michelle Monaghan? But it's interesting that that like did they realized they had an extra that looks exactly like her from the back that Ethan it like starts walking towards and walking away with her. Because like that seems like... He should have been how in Fallout we're inside his head and seeing ah like his nightmares.
02:33:38
Speaker
He should be seeing ghosts. like Not that there's like literal like force ghosts around, but maybe he's seeing Ilsa around. Like they could have got her in for like a scene or two.
02:33:49
Speaker
and he And even even Luth, maybe he's like hearing Luther's voice or something like like the we should start to like see those straight and like all these losses because like he should have just had Luther be sick.
02:34:04
Speaker
And we never see what happens to him. And he's just sick the whole movie. And we kind of end like a Luther really was the one who saved the day at the end of it.
02:34:15
Speaker
Even though he couldn't be here, he supplied the things to get it done. And he had the message. But it's like he's not dead. And, you know, we don't know how long he's going to be around. This movie we didn't want to leave any ambiguity, so they wouldn't do that. They'd be like, no, this is what happened to Luther. He blew up. The bomb, yeah, i know.
02:34:37
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The bomb is where it really loses me, and he's like, gotta solve a code and or do all this shit ah It was a thing. But um yeah, I don't know. The Ilsa death. It's just unfortunate. I wish they even if they couldn't get her for this movie, I wish they talked about her at some point.
02:34:57
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It just feels like, oh, damn. So she was just another character. Right. Even though she kind of was positioned as like Ethan's equal as like, you know, like, yes, he did love his wife, but she was like him being offered to run away with her was a thing.
02:35:13
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I think we're supposed to believe that he considered it at least because he was like, I yeah, she's like me, you know? Yeah, they you know there was a world where between Rogue Nation and Fallout, they run away together, and they both get out of it. But she was out for a little bit, and he stayed in, and then she was forced back in.
02:35:35
Speaker
Yeah. It's unfortunate, man. Like, thematically... that arc of like yes she was she had her freedom she was out but now because of like she's basically honorary imf at that point like that's what they do they'll give their lives for someone they don't even know like she gives her life for hayley atwell thematically i get that that makes sense but they just don't yeah they they don't border her enough Yeah, I agree. You got any final thoughts on ah Final Reckoning? Anything we haven't touched on yet?
02:36:13
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The action is pretty sweet. See it in IMAX if it's still there and you haven't. Yeah, ah I had a fun time with it. It's not at the top of my my list of this year, but it's definitely not at the bottom either. Yeah.
02:36:27
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Yeah, I don't know if it'll stay in my top 10 by the end of it, which sucks because Dead Reckoning and Fallout both made it in my top 10 of that year. Rogue Nation as well, and I'm pretty sure Ghost Protocol it did. Almost every Mission Impossible is probably in my top 10 of every year.
02:36:46
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This might get knocked out by the end. I think this will get knocked out. Yeah, for me. It's fine. But ah i oh I also liked, I said I liked the apocalyptic vibe of the movie. I like that so much of these scenes where it is just people talking in rooms about like what the situation is, everyone has tears in their eyes. Some people are well-being.
02:37:11
Speaker
The people on that sub before he goes down to the Sevastopol, to get the thing like like this this that that short-haired girl from from love lies bleeding who just met him she she's welling up as he like is about to like go down to the to to the sub she does not he's so great he yeah well he's a but about to do the most important thing ever and but No, I do like that element bit of that, though. that It's like these people don't even know Ethan. They could kind of just intuit of like, this guy is willing to sacrifice himself to save all of us. and they don't even know the full situation. Like, this man is ready to die for us.
02:37:51
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ah The movie does convey that pretty well. I really like the submarine stuff. That's some of my favorite stuff. And that's where the movie really gets me on board. Yeah.
02:38:03
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Yeah, for as many for as much as I have to say negative about this one, I did really enjoy it by the end of it. It's not the ending that I wanted, but... ah there You know, so maybe it will always... Maybe part of it won't always sit well with me, but I didn't have a bad time. It's not a calamity
Franchise Fatigue: Fast & Furious and John Wick
02:38:24
Speaker
like a lot of these last movies end up being. Like, the Fast and Furious wrap-up seems to be... Or, like, Rise of Skywalker Yeah.
02:38:33
Speaker
yeah I mean, I don't even know when Fast Furious is actually wrapping up because that was just part one Oh, never. Well, as they ended up part nine. What happens at the end of part nine? They have a barbecue? Yeah.
02:38:47
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they could have ended it there. Yeah, that was the last one. There's a barbecue at the end, and I know X, no barbecue at the end. No. Bridge explosion or something. Or dam gets blown up by Aquaman.
02:39:01
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Yeah. By Aquaman playing. Jokester, man. He's playing gay Joker Jack Sparrow. Not a bad combo.
02:39:13
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i I think that performance is fun. i don't know. It's not the my favorite in the entries. think Justin Lin probably could have done it better, but you know.
02:39:25
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Yeah. I agree. But yeah, for wrap up, not the worst, not the best either. A lot to appreciate here. Still the strongest spy franchise in terms of like our American action franchises.
02:39:41
Speaker
It's so sturdy. Well, I was about to say John Wick had a better conclusion, but like that franchise is never going to end now. So ballerina is just okay.
02:39:52
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Do they
02:40:00
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sit do they play that in the movie? I don't think so. about Zero stars. Missed opportunity. Yeah, I'm not going to see it now. It's funny. The action is funny.
02:40:13
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Ballerina? Mm-hmm. Oh, you saw it? I did, Ballerina. We must see you. In
02:40:31
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Oh, yeah. Anyway, Ballerina. It's a really good one. Is it good? no yeah and Because like it was.
02:40:42
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hi
02:40:45
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It's not like you just lied.
02:40:49
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light I don't know why I said that. Yeah. Just in front of America, the whole world. Just like, yeah, I don't ki i give a shit. I'll lie to you. It's, it's just okay.
02:41:05
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Uh, that's kind of what I was expecting it to be. I think they should have probably for was pretty perfect place to wrap that up. And, They're going to keep milking it.
02:41:17
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They're apparently going to do a five, which either they're going to have to do a saw where you flashback and have sequels in between other sequels, which would be funny.
02:41:28
Speaker
Or you just go fools full supernaturally like he's back from hell. Like he shows up in a burned suit and he's like, I shot my way out of hell. Yeah. My brother said that there's a rumor that's going to be the next John Wick is him in hell, and I don't like any of that.
02:41:49
Speaker
Why? There's an idea I heard for... can't things just end? There's an idea I heard for an ending to John Wick, or maybe not even an ending. ah Whatever the director's name is, was talking about.
02:42:02
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Chad Stileski. Stileski. So he was talking about, uh... This might have not even been... i think this might have been around the time of, like, John Wick 3.
02:42:13
Speaker
He was saying that, uh... um he had an idea for a john wick movie where it was him in like a faraway land something not involving the high table off to the side where he meets somebody who needs his help and he kind of makes it not about him it becomes about somebody else and it's john wick protecting somebody so i was like You know, I would rather... That's kind of like a Logan a little bit. I would rather be like a Logan. That's way better than ah he fights his way out of hell.
02:42:46
Speaker
And then Keanu and so Chad have also said that ah if they do another John Wick, it won't have anything to do with the High Table or any of the events of the previous John Wick. They kind of need to distance themselves from that because like by the time you reach for the world, building is so ridiculous.
02:43:05
Speaker
Which works for for that movie and for the end of that character arc because it's like he's even over how, like, lavish and, like, ah over the top the high table is. He's just like, can I just die? like he's Like, guys, come on. So can I give some details? ballerie From Ballerina? From Ballerina.
02:43:26
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Ballerina.
02:43:35
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so So ah spoilers for Ballerina. ah John Wick is in it. And The... the big I almost called him the Babadook.
02:43:49
Speaker
What's his name? Baba Yaga? Baba Yaga. The Gabagool? The... The Bagool? The Bagool. Yeah, the great Googly Moogly. um no one gets that right well air but he okay if it's hot bo he's gonna come through the podcast yeah that's good he uh so he's in uh ballerina ballerina yeah
02:44:22
Speaker
he's there and I thought his role was just completely stupid. i didn't, is it just ad service? Yeah. Can I just go into full detail? Yeah, just do So he's there and he's like, don't be doing what you're doing. You got to get out.
02:44:38
Speaker
And then she's like, I'm not going to get out. I thought you got out or whatever. Blah, blah, blah. I don't know. I was like falling asleep at certain parts. But so the very end, he's like, if you don't stop what you're doing, I'm going to kill you or whatever. I'm here to kill you. And then she's like, I have to kill this person. And he's like, all right, kill this person.
02:45:01
Speaker
That's fine. Accomplish your mission. If you don't do it by this time, then I'm killing you. And he's like watching her with a sniper rifle the whole time and checking his time like John Wick's. There to kill her, but he really doesn't want to kill her. And it's so cheesy to me. Bullshit. Yeah, it seems like a way for him to just be there, but for us to not be against him for some reason. Because it's like... villain make him actively like hunting her and trying to kill her yeah but he really doesn't want to be doing it and then around the time when he's supposed to kill her these goons come up and start fighting him and he's like oh i gotta fight these guys i can't keep looking at her through the sniper rifle and i'm like it's just so bad and then he goes back to the like head ballerina movie about he's the one that killed her fan whatever she's avenging
02:45:56
Speaker
John Wick killed her family. It feels so shoehorned in. It's so ridiculous. She tried to kill John Wick. Well, then he goes back to the head ballerina and is like, I didn't kill her, but she killed this person and that should be good enough.
02:46:13
Speaker
And it's the person's like, oh, fine, John Wick. That logic makes sense, I guess. and By our convoluted rules, that's acceptable. Yeah, and it just feels so shoehorned in, and it's pretty bad, and the action doesn't feel like it's Keanu actually fighting most of the time. the first Even though like that was the draw of these movies, is like he's really doing these stunts.
02:46:38
Speaker
His face feels pretty obscured and his wig looks pretty bad. ah Yeah. so and but So the action, kind of fun.
02:46:50
Speaker
When it comes comes to the John Wickiness of it all, thumbs down. i didn't like seeing the John Wick characters coming back. It felt too in the world of John Wick, which is weird for me saying because it's a John Wick sequel. That's literally in the title, right? Like, from the world of John Wick Ballerina or something?
02:47:10
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Must have seen her in the auditorium. It says that yeah the poster. It does, yeah. That's why we sing it every time, because we're saying we're... re respect From the world of John Wick, colon, Ballerina. Ballerina must have seen her in the auditorium.
02:47:29
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did it. Those are our thoughts on ballerina. um um so Must have seen her in the auditorium. is Is there any other thoughts on ah this year, this half year? um Are you going to see ballerina?
02:47:47
Speaker
Must seen her in the auditorium. I might walk past that auditorium and like kind of glance Must not have seen her. Just missed her. Honestly, might just wait until home release. There's other stuff I got to see. Like Tornado is way higher of priority.
02:48:05
Speaker
Tornado. Go see that. Yes. Way better. Tornado. There's a new Wes Anderson theaters. i I just... I kind of wanted this franchise to be over. The Wes Anderson franchise? You want Wes Anderson to die?
02:48:21
Speaker
It's time for Wes Anderson to end. Maybe it's time to let the old ways die. Let the past die. Kill it if you have to, Kyle.
02:48:35
Speaker
That's from The Good One, yeah. Yeah. That's the name of that movie, The Good One, directed by Rian Johnson. Yeah. I had to think about i'm like, wait, which one is that from?
02:48:48
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Yeah. The Good One. The Good One. Directed by Ryan. That's the title of that one. Star Wars, the good one. Directed by by right Ryan. Ryan Johnson. In the auditorium.
02:49:03
Speaker
and must have seen her uh yeah that was half half 2025 um anything you're excited about going forward weapons weapons that's i think that's the big one new ari aster uh eddington that's i don't even know what that movie is other than like it's about the pandemic but i don't know what that means like are we just ah there's gonna be some weird horror stuff going on during it right have you seen the trailer Yeah. Must have seen her.
02:49:33
Speaker
Must seen her in the auditory. Mm-hmm. Um, so that, uh, those are the big ones. Oh, so you're right. Johnson.
02:49:43
Speaker
Yeah. The, um, The next Knives Out looks like it's going to be like different. So that's good. haven't seen a trailer for it. It was just like a teaser, but just like aesthetically and visually. I think he's going to cook on this one, ah which makes it a shame that I probably won't be able see it in theaters because of Netflix. But yeah, I mean, it will have a limited theatrical release. It probably just will be for like a week.
02:50:09
Speaker
ah Yeah. Well, weapons is my big one. Yeah. yeah You got any plugs or anything want to sign off on for this episode? ah Follow me on Twitter at Doug or not underscore two Also, check out my YouTube, ah the Doug files. I'm going to be, I got a lot of stuff I've recorded, but haven't uploaded. Like, just like random movie stuff. I watched Sinners with my buddy, Chris, and we kind of like recorded like ah oh watch a lot.
02:50:42
Speaker
even It's not like a good cot or insightful commentary. It's mostly
Conclusion and Social Media Promotion
02:50:46
Speaker
us' just being like, this movie's fucking good. A lot of it's just just that. But, you know, if that's your thing and you want listen to that, then you could do it.
02:50:58
Speaker
So if you're fucking freak like that. ah Yeah, so that's the kind of stuff on my YouTube. Also probably going to be uploading some random gameplay stuff.
02:51:09
Speaker
I've played some various miscellaneous indie games lately, so I got some gameplay stuff of that. and that's the yeah That's what I got. Hell yeah. um You can follow me on Letterboxd at Nicholas Sewers and...
02:51:25
Speaker
check out ah Check out my other podcast, Morbid Curiosities. We do franchise horror or horror blind spots. We've got the Chucky movies, the Terrifiers. And coming up, we're about to do the 28 Days movies. so pretty exciting stuff happening over there. um There's so many of those. How you going to get through? know. There's like 28 of them. One for each day.
02:51:52
Speaker
I think they built it too much. They did. The first day, i was like, all right. those By the time we get to day 10, can you wrap this up? I know. Especially when they started making one for weeks.
02:52:05
Speaker
you know When they started of going into that many, there were 28 weeks. that That was a bit too much. What if they did Walking Dead and there's like a spinoff, like a jillion spinoffs? Every day in a zombie apocalypse? Yeah.
02:52:21
Speaker
I could see it happening. Do it, Robert Kirkman or whatever your name is. You didn't really see through your full vision of The Walking Dead as the never-ending thing, but that's for another day. Another dispute for another day. We're coming for you. But...
02:52:35
Speaker
Robert, I'll give you a pass because even though Walking Dead went to shit, I really like Invincible. But you better watch it. I agree. Invincible is good.
02:52:47
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But I'm Nicholas Sears. I'm Dick Danporn. And we're These Guys Got Juice. Have a good night. Bye.