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Jurassic Park Franchise Discussion w/ Kyle Ewers
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are sitting down, in person, with a guest! Nick's elder brother Kyle is joining the crew to talk all things Jurassic Park! The Lost World, JP3, Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom, Dominion, as well as bits from Michael Crichton's books!
They also touch on David Koepp's writing in Presence and Black Bag, the upcoming Jurassic World Rebirth, Kyle and Doug's unflinching love for Chappie, Michael Bay directing Transformers AGAIN, Dan Trachtenberg as a possible director for these Jurassic movies, and much more!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:18
Speaker
I'm Doug Damport. I'm Nick Ewers. And we're These Guys Got Juice. And we're joined by dinosaur expert, Jurassic Park expert, longtime brother of mine, paleontologist.
00:00:34
Speaker
lot of titles. um what There was another one he wanted. I can't remember. Kyle Ewers. What's up, y'all? Thanks for joining us,
Fictional Companies and Potential Crossovers
00:00:44
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Kyle. He's here to talk about ah the Jurassic Park franchise as a whole.
00:00:49
Speaker
and And to answer for the numerous crimes of NGEN and Biosyn. Is that the company in Dominion? Biosyn. And Weyland-Yutani. I don't know. But they could be part of this universe. We don't know.
00:01:04
Speaker
Eventually. but that's That's in the future, but like maybe some of those people from these companies end up using that research. like When Disney buys Universal. yeah Yeah. We can do crossovers then.
00:01:16
Speaker
Yeah, but ah Seriously, Kyle, why did you tell Injin to do what they did? Those people died. Yeah. ah Explain yourself.
Dinosaur Media Influence
00:01:27
Speaker
Do you remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, it was scary. Exactly. I think it was when I saw Jurassic Park, actually. Yeah. I think it was when I saw We're Back, A Dinosaur Story.
00:01:43
Speaker
Wait, what is that? Ten out of ten movie. Animated cartoon. Yeah, I know Kyle's seen it. You haven't seen it? Yeah, we had it on repeat when we were kids. I've maybe seen it, but don't know that title. for me...
00:01:54
Speaker
the main dinosaur media as a kid because I've been in the dinosaur, you know, I was was one of those kids where i was like, Okay, I, my parents would have like encyclopedias it was like normal encyclopedias, whatever boring, do can you give me the books just on the dinosaurs and have the pictures of them? So Like those I was into, but the main dinosaur media was Jurassic Park. And then there was that sitcom dinosaurs where- I remember that. They were like puppets. There was Turok. That was big dinosaur media. Turok was awesome. The games were really good.
00:02:22
Speaker
Bring those back. And then I think- Get that a movie starring Chris Pratt. You know, it hasn't been done before. Nothing like that. And then if we want to stretch it, then Beast Wars, some of them turn into dinosaurs. So that's kind of dinosaurs- The best Transformers, what you call it, spinoff, whatever, since the original?
00:02:42
Speaker
ah Bumblebee. I will argue that Bumblebee might be the best Transformers movie. Oh, of the movies? I like Transformers 1. That would be second for
Michael Bay's Directorial Style
00:02:50
Speaker
me. like Transformers 1, and we're not getting a sequel. haven't watched it in a while. It just didn't make enough money or something? Which is unfortunate because it's probably better than anything in the Michael Bay-verse.
00:03:00
Speaker
I want to give those another chance just because Ambulance was so good that it like made me reconsider Michael Bay as a filmmaker. I was like, it is was I wrong about him? So you just saw a movie about drone footage of an ambulance with Jake Gyllenhaal. I was like, you know what?
00:03:14
Speaker
This makes me want to watch Transformers. The drone shots were really good. He should retroactively go back and add drone shots to the Transformers. there There was a rumor as of this week. He's doing the next one, right? Yeah, we're recording this on June 30th.
00:03:27
Speaker
I believe one of the news stories this week was that he may be coming back for a Transformers movie. Michael Bay? yeah Yes, Michael Bay. No, Ambulance 2, please. I don't want another Transformers from him. Ambulance is the funniest one to ask for a sequel to, too, because it's like very definitive ending. no ah there's more ambulances in the world dog what are you talking about ambulance to get rid of all the fire truck and and jake jillenall comes back with like an eye patch yeah you don't need oh yeah you don't need prince of persia or candy man to come back you can just it's about the ambulance man i like how you call him candy man not like dr manhattan that was like your go-to yeah yeah or morpheus he's played morpheus yeah good point yeah
00:04:10
Speaker
He is kind of the iconic guy now. He was Aquaman's, the iconic Aquaman, Archville, Black Manta. They were talking Green Lantern. He's been, and they've been floating him, right?
00:04:23
Speaker
Yeah, but didn't they officially catch cast? Because it's going to be like a show at first or something like ah called Lanterns. And, like, I think Aaron Pierre from ah Rebel Ridge is going to be Hal Jordan.
00:04:36
Speaker
And then Kyle Chandler is going to be the other guy. Please bring Kyle Chandler back into more
Jurassic Park Sequels Discussion
00:04:43
Speaker
movies. By the way, guys, we're talking about Jurassic Park. Yeah. Hal Jordan is is in Jurassic Park, right? Yeah. He was one of the...
00:04:52
Speaker
So are are we just gonna free flowing go through the sequels or are we gonna go in order because I feel like some things with some sequels will tie into other ones because there's like yeah, there's stuff that was almost a part of most of the sequels or things that some sequels bring up that maybe kind of get followed up on later. It's a weird franchise if you like zoom out in terms of of like the continuity.
00:05:14
Speaker
I'm down to take them in order. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. two three four five six I mean, do you guys want to touch on one a little bit? we're good i don't keep going back to one yeah don think we need to touch i don't think we need to touch on one because everyone who's listening to this has...
00:05:29
Speaker
seen it and will argue like best it's the best movie. everybody's favorite movie. Ever made. What if no one's seen it? They're like just they've never seen a movie. They just pop on this episode. They're like, huh, what's this about?
00:05:41
Speaker
Well, if you want to retrospect it into the franchise. It's going to newborn babies. They're starting young too. Well, I think, yeah, let's start with The Lost World. So Jurassic Park came out in 1994. I think it was pretty successful. Oh, 93. Oh, 93, sorry. My birth year. Sorry, I just watched a bunch of... little bit older than me.
00:06:00
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I just watched a bunch of videos of the Oscar year and all that stuff. Right, the Oscar year the one after the actual year. I got stuck in my head. So he did Jurassic Park and Schindler's List.
00:06:11
Speaker
And then he tried to do the same thing again 1996. In 1997, The Lost World came out. ah lost world came out So where I think we should start is Spielberg has never done a sequel before.
00:06:24
Speaker
Because he hadn't. Until this point. Well, the indie movies? Yeah, he did Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade. Those had all happened at at this point already. Those were all with George Lucas and George Lucas writing. they're co-creators of the thing, but he's the.
00:06:40
Speaker
Spielberg's the director of... Yeah, The Last Crusade is like very like about Spielberg's life too, right? Yeah, there's they're very Spielberg movie. I mean, they just have nuggets of of weird Lucas stuff until you get to Crystal Skull, which is like mostly Lucas's brain. so like But like the the first sequels are like pretty Spielberg-y. I feel like that might this weird advertisement, when they were doing the promotion for the movie, like he kept kind of saying...
00:07:08
Speaker
that i've never touched my foot in a sequel he talks about it like it's the only because i've i've seen things where he talks where he's like yeah when i did the sequel referring to to lost world he's like i was kind of cocky and but he doesn't refer to like that he had the same issue with the indiana jones because he said the issue with like jurassic park is too big of a hit that like he goes and he went in the lost world too confident of like i already got already got this. It's like guaranteed which I kind of can get that mindset because it's almost like you're you're too big to fail already from like out of the gate.
Spielberg's Approach to Sequels
00:07:43
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Yeah, also, i think, too, like, Jurassic Park was one of the first franchise or like first things where he was like, I'm not precious about this. Like, other people can go and make this. Or I can make a sequel and, like, have fun with it. Because, like, E.T., think he toyed around with making a sequel at one point. And then they just put those ideas in the ride or something. yeah Yeah, he was just like, you know, I don't need to really add to this or mess with it.
00:08:10
Speaker
So, yeah, I think, like, Jurassic Park is where he kind of decided I'm not going to be, like, precious about um sequels. Yeah, and with... Should he have been more precious?
00:08:20
Speaker
That's what we'll find out. yeah He forced Michael Crichton to basically make a second book, and... They were, like, making them simultaneously, weren't they? Spoilers for the first Jurassic Park book.
00:08:32
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If you haven't read it, pause for the next ten seconds. ah No, I know what happens. The island blows up. Oh, okay I didn't know that part. i knew someone dies in it, right?
00:08:43
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like oh Yeah, John Hammond dies. Ian Malcolm, quote-unquote, dies. But he's also in the Lost World book, right? Yeah, because in the book, basically, Crichton just had to scramble, and there's this Lost World.
00:08:56
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it's The book and the movie are completely different stories.
Adapting Michael Crichton's Novels
00:09:00
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So he wrote the novel second novel, and at the same time, Spielberg... had lunch at a diner boat, I believe, with ah David Kapp, I believe Kathleen Kennedy, and whoever else at Universal.
00:09:13
Speaker
And they just started kind of writing their own thing, kind of ignoring most of the premise of the book. i mean because you can't really do that. The book is so different.
00:09:25
Speaker
And they he always said in interviews, like, the barbershop can. It's supposed to be a hint to something. And obviously that payoff never showed up unless you watch the animated Netflix shows, which it's barely paying off anyway. Is there a Barbasol can in Dominion?
00:09:41
Speaker
There is. You see him, he picks it up. Yeah. and And he's like, he's like holding it longingly. Like, oh, my Barbasol can. It's the same one, right? It traveled all this way. It's like Chigurh.
00:09:54
Speaker
He's like, this traveled all of this way. What did I say? to you my parents were watching me rewatch it and i explained who he's playing i'm like that's dodson he from the first movie remember when newman was an actor because things we won't talk my parents immediately had like 20 questions like so how did he find it was like buried under a rainstorm just have them watch the animated netflix show the five seasons of yeah and they'll find out but They never went back to the Barbasol can.
00:10:25
Speaker
The part in Dominion is basically just the biggest member, Barry, of them all.
Nostalgia and Continuity in Jurassic Park
00:10:29
Speaker
It's like, hey, remember this? There's no reason for him to be Dodson. Like, he could just be ah he's a different guy. he just to guy He's just a guy. He's a tech CEO. That's the character. He kind of acts like an evilly corporate guy. like towards it As it more falls apart, you I guess you could draw the line of, like, ah he has that ruthlessness from when he was buying things from Newman. I don't know. wow just Honestly, the more these movies flesh out these characters from the first one, I kind of don't ah like it as much. Like Dotson, I like him when he was just a dude with a hat and glasses who didn't have time for fucking Newman shit.
00:11:07
Speaker
And then like the scientists, B.D. Wong, I like when he was just a dude in a lab coat. you know Now by by the end of it, he's like the Oppenheimer of the Jurassic World. He's got long hair, he's broken down. He's like, I knew your mom.
00:11:21
Speaker
What have I done? i don't mind BD Wong coming back. I don't mind, but do any of the characters they bring back, though? It's like, what are they doing with them? We'll find that out when we go to Dominion. But for right now, The Lost World, we do see the return of rich and Richard Attenborough as John Hammond for 10 minutes. And we see the return of Jeff Goldblum playing a completely different character.
00:11:47
Speaker
Yeah, so let's let' talk about Ian Malcolm. cool dad, kind of, right? Or I'm a cool dad. I mean, you could attribute to maybe his PTSD from the first time made him change. And made him adopt a daughter.
00:12:01
Speaker
That wasn't adopt was his biological daughter. Oh, wait, really? Yes. Oh. I didn't. I thought she was adopted. I assumed she was adopted That was like an ex-wife or something that he had a daughter with. Do you see Ian Malkin as the adopting type or the baby-making type?
00:12:18
Speaker
I think he sleeps with lot of women. was trying make baby with Laura Dern in the first movie. Oh, he is in Sposed for Dominion. He kind of is toying with that idea there, I feel like.
00:12:29
Speaker
If I had to describe Ian Malcolm in The Lost World, he's basically just like a guy who's trying to give up cigarettes, basically. Like, that's his personality. He's, like, slightly shaky and is just, like, uncomfortable throughout everything.
00:12:42
Speaker
i mean, could be the PTSD. I feel like they just didn't have a really good way to put it on a clear idea of his character and they were like, just just gold bloom it. you know Can you just like do a gold bloom? And then he Jeff's like, I got this. I know we're already kind of all over the place, but in Dominion he has a reference where he's like, I have five kids, remember? Something like that. and I'm like, why is this movie just people telling us like who they are? That they're the same care person they were back then. It's supposed to be a call it's supposed to be a callback to the first movie. Do you have any kids? Like, oh yeah.
00:13:15
Speaker
whatever, four them, five He's like, love them. I love kids. I think that's just like another member barrier thing. Like, hey, remember when he talked with Dr. Grant in the car? Let's bring this member barrier back, too. Yeah, but just he just says the same thing again.
00:13:27
Speaker
He's like, i had I haven't changed at all. Zero character development. Which we you could consider the Lost World maybe character development because he's more serious. He's in a committed relationship with, ah what's her name? Sarah Harding, which is... um Julianne Moore. Oh, Julianne Moore. Julianne Moore.
00:13:45
Speaker
Magnolia. Kind of wasted in this. She only did the movie too, just so she could basically pay off her
Filming Locations and Production Notes
00:13:53
Speaker
attorney for her divorce. Yeah. And she had auditioned for Ellie originally in the first one, I think. Where did they film this movie? And how long did they film in the Redwoods of California and on the sound stages of... ah Was it Warner Brothers? No, Universal.
00:14:11
Speaker
So at least they didn't have to go somewhere miserable to do this. I mean, which I liked it because the first one's in Hawaii. Hawaii. ah And I like that they chose the Redwoods for the second movie because it shows it's a different island. It's got a different vibe. And I just love the way the island looks in this movie.
00:14:27
Speaker
Like the scenery is great. The animatronics from Stan Winston, obviously great. They've never everything. post-Stan Winston animatronics have never matched up. I just think they don't look as... like like The animatronic work is good, but like the actual... There's like more CG in this one, guess. But like...
00:14:47
Speaker
The first one they were smart of like you're seeing them mostly at night. You do see some dinosaurs during the day. I don't know. They they just never look better than in the first one. Like I feel like I never bought it as hard as I do in that original actually where I would disagree because the Lost World introduced the male the male variants which are like lighter green colors like you got the Segasauruses. I thought they looked great.
00:15:09
Speaker
I just think every animatronic from Jurassic World which is one and then obviously when we get to Dominion. the animatronics in Dominion are just absolutely awful.
00:15:20
Speaker
like It looks like a yeah a ride. I don't need a fucking baby animatronic. I don't need to see that. Give me like a big one. Give me a big T-Rex head bursting through something. We'll get to Jurassic World in a bit, but yeah, there were like moments where I was like, why is this not an animatronic head bursting through here?
00:15:38
Speaker
but It's just cooler when there's a physical thing. Maybe it's just get just the original had that perfect combination of C because they had to be so judicious with their use of it of like really plan the shot. And they obviously they still had to in 97 or whenever Lost World came out. It's like so you still had limitations of CG and it.
00:15:56
Speaker
definitely looks better than other stuff of the time though for the cg was still great like if you watch corridor crew at all on youtube i've seen some of their stuff they just did lost world one and they're just kind of going about like look at like the boat scene where the t-rex breaks out it's like the stuff the props are just moving like they got it set off like just to anticipate where what the CG is going to do, but they don't do that anymore. They just replace everything that's going to move with more CG boxes or items.
00:16:23
Speaker
I actually i like the look of the Lost World and the animatronics, the CG, especially like just compared to what we get in Jurassic World. Jurassic Park 3, for me, is definitely the one where it feels the most like theme park-y, but the first two movies, ah i think I can really...
00:16:42
Speaker
give the animatronics and the CGI work a lot of ah credit. ultimately I feel there was an advancement between the first movie and this movie. It's like four year difference. right yeah I really, i really like it. Like I don't have any complaints about any of the animatronics.
Jurassic Park 3's Unique Features
00:16:57
Speaker
Those aren't my major issues. Only one animatronic issue I have with JP three, but we'll get to that when we get there, obviously. See, I'm not going to even argue that three like looks better than this one. I'm just the vibe of it is what sells me on, on three. It's like a commitment to ah a feel.
00:17:14
Speaker
It's the most fun. Well, not the most fun. One is the most. So if we're just discounting one and we're just talking about the sequels, I'd say three is the most fun. It's, I don't know. It's out of all the sequels. It's the one you can just throw on. I feel and just sit down and watch. It doesn't eat up a lot of your time. And just on my rewatch, I was noticing like I was clocking lost world 15 minutes in. He's still talking to Hammond.
00:17:38
Speaker
du They still, he still to go see his daughter before he gets to the Island. Like by minute seven in Jurassic park three, you're on the that movie just goes. They're just like, Grant's like, I'm never going that Island again. Cut to, yeah.
00:17:51
Speaker
someone who's like hey you want to go this island for a bunch of money they like speed run the first movie basically of like you're going to go into this island okay oh the majesty of dinosaurs they do that from the plane they're like yeah great and then they land and then they're like all right now we gotta run yeah and they ease you in with william h macy it's like you just saw him in fargo not that long ago so it's like you this guy you're in good you you can trust And the Spinosaurus, when he's introduced, it's very well done. It sets up. It seems like he's a star.
00:18:21
Speaker
It's like they should have had his name in the credits. like And introducing Spinosaurus, I'm like, damn, it's a good performance. It's like a Stranded on an Island movie just with dinosaurs. Having the Spinosaurus entrance was very strong.
00:18:33
Speaker
And going back to the Lost World. You're watching The Lost World for the first time. And I feel like this is where both movies get it correct. Because you got to get the threat of the movie has to feel scary. like It should feel like some people might get eaten. So you watch The Lost World.
00:18:48
Speaker
You hear mom is very angry. You think the mom's coming. But no. Two heads peek into the trailer. And you got two T-Rexes. So you have a family. So you're changing the dynamic. I love that. Then you go to JP3. And you just got this one singular dinosaur.
00:19:02
Speaker
when last movie you had two t-rexes and a baby it's like how do you do that and they introduce the spinosaurus very strong i feel like in dress park three it's kind of like the alien to aliens arc of like where they're like okay well what's better one xenomorph what if there's a bunch of them and then three scales it back but then adds like a something weird to it it's like yeah it's still one but also i don't know it's got other dna stuff going on like with the spinosaurus yeah ah yeah Back to the Lost World. um Like said, it came out in 97.
00:19:36
Speaker
Shot in the Redwoods, California. It's... Personally, of all the movies, it's my favorite s sequel of all six movies that are out currently right now. Is that the last... I should remember this because I just re-watched them, but Richard Attenborough Hammond, he doesn't appear in any other sequel as like new
Branding Decisions: Jurassic Park vs. Jurassic World
00:19:55
Speaker
footage, right? he's only No, that's just that's his last thing. So his dialogue at the end of the movie is the last you'll hear of Richard Attenborough. They should CGI recreate him in some way. Or they should have recasted it. like No, because I think there are interesting Hammond stuff to do.
00:20:11
Speaker
i think, no, but they refer to things that happen with, hey i get we'll get to it in the world, but when they talk about the other business partner with James Cameron, was like, I want to see scenes with them younger. Like, let me see, or before where the rift that they refer to happened. I want a movie of that. That's what I'm saying. Like, let me see that.
00:20:28
Speaker
little how about I got an idea for movie. Jurassic World. Birth. so We did Rebirth coming out and then Birth. This is like the naming convention for like... Just call it Birth, a prequel to Jurassic World. Or Jurassic Park.
00:20:43
Speaker
what I don't think Universal wants to go back to the Jurassic Park. No, i just call it Birth. Just straight up Birth, no Jurassic Park or World in it. And people will think it's that Nicole Kidman movie that's really weird where the kid's in love with her. Why don't they want to go to the Jurassic Park name anymore? Those are when the movies were better.
00:21:01
Speaker
I feel just we're in a different era now. Jurassic Park has a better brand. It seems like some kind of producer brain thing where it's like, well, that's a de-escalation. We escalated to world because a world's bigger than a park.
00:21:14
Speaker
So the name could only get bigger or stay the same. You either have to go universe or planet. And playing think because the end game is going to be eventually dinosaurs going be all over the world. So surely the sixth movie will pay off in this sense.
00:21:27
Speaker
If they actually Surely it'll pay off, right? you know surely Universal puts too much stake in the name Jurassic World. like I just saw an advertisement. Those movies all made lots of money. I know, but they think people care more than they do. I just saw like an advertisement for this like Universal bundle set or whatever, and it was a bunch of uh pretty solid movies and then in there was just jurassic world and i'm like you just had to throw that one in there you're just trying to sneak it in there yeah not even jurassic park like you just want people to own this one the confused people and think it's the original they're like i mean people do overall like the i mean we're we're we're jumping all around but like the reset what's the public feeling of of these movies i feel like it starts off hot you have the goodwill of even the people who don't like the sequels the goodwill from one buys you a lot of shoe leather in terms of like people will We'll stick with you. is it after world? Cause people liked world. Is that when it starts losing people? Like when you get to like the fallen kingdom and then dominion, no one was happy. The lost world, I think has always had this baggage and criticism. I don't know if it's just because Spielberg directed it.
00:22:43
Speaker
I don't have a lot of the issues with that one that a lot of people do you seem to have. My big issue with that one is the length. But I think right from go, people were having issues with it.
00:22:55
Speaker
But I think Jurassic World came out, people, like, some people loved it, some people hated it. Like, you know, I think people were willing to keep going. And then when Fallen Kingdom came out, it became like a fool me once. But then they went back for Dominion.
00:23:13
Speaker
Because it had a good trailer, think. And they were bringing back the Legacy Carols. characters either you you're like oh well the band is back together i mean that's what got my mom to sit down for most of the movie when i was watching it earlier it's like oh she's like old and new what's gonna happen you know like that that's how you sell it it's handled with the care of like all in the family and the jeffersons having a crossover or something those those crossovers were good compared to dominion jimmy neutron and the fairly odd parents having a crossover Sure. Yeah, I don't remember those episodes, but they I don't think they... If I'm not remembering them, they must not been good. The and Family Guy having a cross. There you That was great. They finally hit it.
00:23:57
Speaker
But with the movie, I mean, people probably wanted to bring back the magic of the first movie, which six movies in, you can't replicate what happened in it. And that's why I like The Lost World, because it's not really trying to replicate...
00:24:11
Speaker
The first movie is trying to be its own movie, and you got a bunch of red shirts in the movie. So when you're watching this movie, you're like, okay, there's be some carnage. So it's just a full-on dinosaur feast survival movie when it comes down to it, minus, you know, them trying to poach the dinosaurs and everything like that. But
Character Analysis in The Lost World
00:24:29
Speaker
I mean... There's just too many people, and it's a little too, like I said, a little too long. But there's, like, so many people in that movie that, like...
00:24:41
Speaker
a little bit too much attention is paid to them. like you i get why you add that many. So you have expendable people. Like you said, red shirts, but then that ah are adds the issue of like, I'm not connecting or caring about too many of them. Like, I feel like the...
00:24:55
Speaker
the ideal Jurassic Park movie like Jurassic Park you have I should be upset when any single person dies gets killed by dime or it it should be upsetting unless you're playing it for a laugh like when the lawyer the you or you set us up to hate that guy that that's fine if you're gonna pay off a joke a joke kill but like there should be some emotional reaction to each death instead of like who was that In World, the all three World movies, I don't think any of them have a meaningful kill.
00:25:25
Speaker
They each all have like a one upsetting kill that's like, oh my god, that's out of a different movie. Like The Babysitter and World, where where... Yeah, or the guy on the fucking Segway or whatever in Dominion. who the Oh, yeah.
00:25:41
Speaker
And it's like, well, what the fuck? That guy was just riding, you know? that was That was actually because Chris pat Pratt did a charity thing in The Highest Bidder. got to get killed by a dinosaur in the movie.
00:25:52
Speaker
That's literally what why that's in there. That's a cool price. That's a horrific death, so good for him. He haunts my dreams forever. He got his money's worth. At that you see two dinosaurs. aren't you just ditching the scooter and running?
00:26:04
Speaker
Also, at that point, it's left this underground market... I guess I'll say the world of Dominion confuses me because it's like, do people know that there's dinosaurs running about or don't they? don't know. The movie didn't really show us much. Right. like You have those things like the market in Malta, but I'm like, okay, but world governments, we know the CIA knows because Justice Smith is in the CIA for some Apparently that was going to be Jake Johnson ah johnson from yeah World, but his schedule or something didn't come back, but also still would not –
00:26:38
Speaker
CIA doesn't you usually recruit people from like park staffs. i i do we I feel like most of this conversation is going to keep going back to the world movies.
00:26:51
Speaker
Honestly, which makes sense. Because a lot of it, it's just they took stuff from the original trilogy. They're like They did. Yeah. well with With The Lost World, with everything said, we kind of have a bit of our...
00:27:05
Speaker
Gripes. I know I said my positives are it's like, in my opinion, it's a high stakes movie. There's a lot of death going on. I like it. The T-Rexes just keep coming back.
00:27:16
Speaker
I love that. And then, you know, you got the raptors in the long grass scene, which is just... iconic. That is a really good scene. My favorite character in the movie is actually Roland Timbo, the hunter.
00:27:27
Speaker
how he He kind has his own little mini... Possewe... Possewe... Possewe... Spielberg said he's the best actor of all time. Rest in peace. Why didn't he cast him again besides in Amistad?
00:27:39
Speaker
He should have brought him back as other people in the other Jurassic... Like, not even in Spielberg movies he's produced. Like, that he shows up in the Jurassic World as someone different or something. Roland survives. Roland doesn't die.
00:27:52
Speaker
He kind of had Ark as best friend guy. And then he's like, I don't like hunting, really. like ah So I think, actually... he should have been Chris Pratt. No. Oh, He was already... I think i think he had already passed away by the time Jurassic World came out, if I'm not mistaken.
00:28:09
Speaker
he i mean, that didn't stop Star Wars from doing what they've done. Like, Inception was one of his last movies or something, right? Or... Oh, he was also... Was The Town before or after that? He's also in The Town. Is he killing Murphy's, like, bodyguard or something in Inception? No, he's his dad. The very emotional scene where they do Inception.
00:28:29
Speaker
it's something that's not actually happening. Like, I get emotional watching that scene with the dad, even though it's... Imagine it's happening in someone's brain in a dream. I'm like, oh, this is powerful. What was...
00:28:40
Speaker
Nolan should make a Jurassic World movie. That'd be good. ah He should. well i What if a T-Rex had a dead wife? I think I was talking about it with Kyle. dead wife ah well you got that you got the You got the couple. yeah on the jurassic world Christopher Nolan loves his time shit. He could just make a time travel movie with dinosaurs in it. like He should just do that and be like, I'm the dinosaur guy now.
Exploring New Jurassic Park Storylines
00:29:05
Speaker
Spielberg did the first good dinosaur movie. His time is over, like the dinosaur. I'm the dinosaur guy now. You all love my dinosaur. You're making bad sequels to my dinosaur movie now. And he'll it with the Universal, too. He's already with them. yeah
00:29:20
Speaker
That's true. How about this? It's just the events of Jurassic Park. Richard Atmurdo's sitting there looking at his amber cane. There's a clock in the background. The clock rewinds, and boom, we get our Jurassic Park birth movie.
00:29:35
Speaker
There you go, Christopher Nolan. You can thank me in your screenwriting credits. like i either want the franchise to be go fully crazy like time travel or do dumb like goofy sci-fi stuff or have like interest because like Jurassic Park is just like a great sci-fi movie besides just like being like thrilling and scary and fun and all the things you want from like a Spielberg blockbuster it's like has theme it has themes it's basically Frankenstein but like done like an updated version and I'm like but what good comparison yeah What are, what are any of the other sequels even about other than I like that's the seat of ah ah Pete possibly, what's his character's name? Roland? Like umbo that, that, that Hunter, like, why not make that more of the, like have, have, have an central idea like that of like, Oh, he wants to do like the world's most dangerous game or something, but with dinosaurs or something that's like, cause it seems like some of the sequels don't have enough of an idea or they're like,
00:30:34
Speaker
have too many ideas like some of the world movies and they don't like commit to any of them so like just like have have a a thing of like like like i said you could just do an updated you did update frankenstein for park so like do some other kind of story uh you know archetype and then put dinosaurs into it i feel like his story does pay off because all these people are getting rampaged and killed by these two t-rex he's like where's my gun yeah now's my chance Another interesting thing thing to track through these sequels is like how the different characters feel morally about not not even about the cloning of the dinosaurs or in like what they're doing there, but like about preservation, because like that is a whole nother layer that they get really into that in the world movies. But even in Lost World, like isn't that Richard Amber basically wants them to go to the he's like, okay, go to this island and
00:31:27
Speaker
you know get get some some pictures some footage from there and then we got to let the people know about this island right so they'll help like preserve it or something that's why he said in the uh Ian Malcolm in the movie said to him it's like he went from capitalist environmentalist in just four years wow right so but yeah it's like they try doing in the world movies they get the characters kind of switch on a dime whether they want dinosaurs to live or if they want I mean and then they retcon it in Jurassic World with uh Masrani saying like, this was John Hammond's dying wish to open a park. mike I thought his basically almost dying wish was just to leave the animals alone.
00:32:05
Speaker
Without our interference and trust in nature, life will find a way. I think Jurassic World might be the most eye-rolly when it comes to the references. It's hard to tell because there's a lot of characters that are like, oh, it's the most secure thing in the world. And people are like, that's what Hammond said.
00:32:23
Speaker
And everyone is always like, that's what Hammond said. And it's a little too cute. is And they continue to do it. Well, and they're acting like that they can get away with it because they're acknowledged because they have the like the the park staff like Jake Johnson's character like being Jurassic Park fans. You're like being kind of like meta. So it's fine that we're cute and tongue in cheek with it. But like, I don't.
00:32:45
Speaker
I did enjoy that, though, honestly, especially because Jake Johnson is really good with humor and sales. He's funny like, yeah, I got this on eBay. And Lauren Lapkus, too. She's great. I forgot her for a second, but they they're both they're both funny.
00:33:00
Speaker
i just wish that, like, if you're going to invoke nostalgia like that, like, kind of do something interesting because, like, an interesting take is, like, oh, how in... at least for the first two of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars, the new characters in that represent different aspects of Star Wars fandom. How, you know, Kylo Ren's like, kill the past, let it die. Or is like, I just really think the Vader's cool. I want to do that shit. Like, that's a certain type of Star Wars fan.
00:33:25
Speaker
And the movie's almost like making commentary on that fandom. But like, what is, does world have anything to say about Jurassic Park fandom? Like, other than like bringing up that it's a thing. i think it's a bunch of missed opportunities for sure.
00:33:39
Speaker
I feel like you could have made this a lot better because we have the Lost World, which basically established a bit of a lore. It's like Site B was the factory floor of dinosaurs. So now we got this island that's the factory floor.
00:33:51
Speaker
You got the original Jurassic Park still there. You don't know what's going on with the dinosaurs. And then obviously still staying on the Lost World, we got... um They had a different ending, the original ending. There's actually two two endings.
00:34:07
Speaker
One of the original endings was going to be their chopper gets attacked by pteranodons. The other one was they were going to try to do the river raft scene and have them try to get off the island on a small boat.
00:34:18
Speaker
And you had the female or the male T-Rex doing the swimming. And then the other one on the shore chasing, which would have been really good too.
Dinosaurs on the Mainland: Franchise Impact
00:34:27
Speaker
But I do really like and defend the ending that they chose to go for. Like bringing the T-Rex to the mainland. Because Spielberg said his goal was, if I do three of these movies, my plan is to have the dinosaurs come back to the mainland.
00:34:41
Speaker
and he didn't he even admit that he was like well this is too cool of an idea to have base basically just do like a godzilla movie in your last act king kong i think he wanted to do well it's king yeah it's king kong but also um he Didn't he say, like, I knew I didn't want to do a third one at this point? so i Because originally, that wasn't that ah sequence what you know he wanted to bring it to the mainland. Didn't he also want that sequence just to be in the third one? when But then when he realized he wasn't going to do a a third himself, he was like, I'm just going to do that.
00:35:13
Speaker
you know I think he wanted a taste of it, but I think his overall goal was that the third movie is going to bring them onto the mainland. but It was probably fun to film. I like it. I think it's better than anything we get in Dominion.
00:35:26
Speaker
It is. Oh, it's a much, it makes me hungry for more of that concept of like three hours of that. Yeah. Just dinosaurs out in the world. Almost kind of the ape style. Them messing with our environment.
00:35:38
Speaker
I mean, i would take that even for, like, fully planet of the apes that were there, the intelligent, dominant species. Grant even says... you want the dinosaurs to start talking? yeah ah In three?
00:35:50
Speaker
That's just a dream sequence, but let's just have them talk. But you have to do it in a way that makes it... Okay, so there's, like... I feel like the way you would have to do it is almost like day one of a zombie outbreak.
00:36:05
Speaker
And they're trying to contain it because I don't really believe that the world governments would let this become a widespread thing. It's not like it spreads in like a virus or it's overtaking or they reproduce in a crazy way. It's a problem you could reasonably ah exterminate within like a couple of days.
00:36:23
Speaker
So I feel like you make it like day one or two, like the first couple days of like they get out and this is a problem we have to deal with and how it gets dealt with. You know, you either have to have an explanation of how it can escalate to that far or you kind of should just start in the middle of it and then like maybe explain it later. You're probably wondering how we got here.
00:36:46
Speaker
Or you just don't explain it. Just set up the cool thing and then do the cool thing. And and then because I feel like I've i've seen people say that, like, ah it's a shame Dominion wasted that set up a fallen kingdom because they would have to do another fallen kingdom type movie to do that premise again. It's like, no, just do that premise.
00:37:04
Speaker
Like you do the idea of dinosaurs out in the world. Don't set it up. Just like start the movie with with them. what there What if this was the case? Because Dominion, you know, Trevorrow was like, I'm going to take a big swing and throw some bugs in here. We're going to spend a lot of time doing this.
00:37:19
Speaker
And they have a bunch of like fake science stuff in there and they spend a bunch of time and investing in fake science. Yeah, it is. It means nothing. gu Goldblum is just talking and it's like nothing.
00:37:31
Speaker
Oh, man. Nothing burger of a movie. yeah Chaos. They spend so much time in this fake science and this bug stuff and this cloning. What if we got rid of all of that? And it's like, oh, my God, the dinosaurs got out. And there was like some science experiment that like got mixed up and, you know, injected with them or whatever. You know, they're already...
00:37:53
Speaker
The movies are already ridiculous. You're trying to save them. We're trying to bring people back in. So what do you do? You make it when the dinosaurs bite people. Doug, we were kind of talking about this. They bite people.
00:38:03
Speaker
The people turn into dinosaurs. 28 days later with yeah dinosaurs. i wouldn't the zombie would I wouldn't want it to go that far. but I think that's better than the bugs. It's better than the bugs, for sure. but Because they keep saying how apocalyptic the famine would be, which in theory, yes, I get that intellectually. like If our crops are gone, yeah we're going to end up with some like interstellar blight where nothing can grow. But like it doesn't feel imminent. like The world feels like it's going to end in and interstellar. like I believe that, that they need to get off of Earth. But in this, it feels like...
00:38:35
Speaker
yeah You're saying the dinosaur should be trying to get off of Earth because the Earth is dying. That's kind of like we're back a dinosaur story a little bit. A dinosaur, Matthew McConaughey. of dinosaur was born on Earth. Wasn't meant to die.
00:38:50
Speaker
I mean, the herbivores eat so much... damn crops anyway you that's a good premise right there oh the crops are gone because all the dinosaurs are eating them yeah all the like uh scissor finger dinosaurs are eating them yeah scissor fingers or salad fingers whatever we want to call that that guy he he is like the babu frick of dominion like in that i'm like okay, there's a star in here in the middle of this bullshit. There's like someone who's shining who deserves their own spinoff. And then pops back up in the end, almost like a MacGuffin kind of. It's like a joke they set up saving the day. They're like, oh, you guys, you know you love him. Come on. He probably tested very well. More salad fingers. I love the incorporation. Yeah, that's keeping Dewey alive at the end of Scream. Spoilers for Scream. I love the introduction of a Therizinosaurus. I mean, it's a very lethal
Character Portrayals in Jurassic World
00:39:48
Speaker
herbivore. It's a great addition, but... It's like the scariest scene in the movie, too, because a lot of the world movies, I'm not afraid. How can we limit this dinosaur? Oh,
00:39:59
Speaker
let's Let's make it blind. I'll argue there's a gem that's in Dominion that I will root for. I want to hear this gem. From the moment that Chris Pratt, and this ah doesn't include Chris Pratt. Pretend he's not in the scene. From the moment when he's done saying this line.
00:40:17
Speaker
he's done saying I love you and gives Bryce Dallas Howard a passionless kiss. but He like tells her, like I'm going to eject you. And she's like, you're going to win. And she's like acting the shit out of this scene, like freaking the fuck out.
00:40:32
Speaker
And then she gets ejected and the cameras kind of focused on her. She's going wild that to her landing and then having to like crawl away and hide under the thing. Like that's the best.
00:40:43
Speaker
That's gold. That might be the best part of the whole trilogy. The whole like world trilogy. That's really good. Throughout the movies. I feel like. Other than the first movie, Bryce Dallas Howard does what she can with the work she's given to Stella. oddly enough bringing her best in Dominion, I think. I agree. I kind of like her in World, too. i is she Yeah, the scripts aren't doing her a ton of favors, but there's more there with the idea in Dominion of, like, oh, she needs to, like, you know, accept this, like...
00:41:12
Speaker
unusual motherhood, but they could have done more with that. Like, um okay, yeah let's say you don't do full on zombies things. But like you give her the arc of Killian Murphy in 28 days later, where she's like initially like, Oh, all life's sacred. We got to like, you know, cannot not kill things. and But then at the end, she's like savagely killing like engine soldiers to get her daughter back and shit. And she's like covered in blood.
00:41:37
Speaker
and she basically like is like Jim by the end of 28 Days Later when he has to kill the soldiers. I would have liked that. That sounds like a movie without Chris Pratt. Yeah, no blue Blue kills In that scene where Chris Pratt like tries to calm down, Blue's like, we'll get we'll get your daughter back. He dies right there. du Blue's like, fuck you. Yeah, I feel like Blue would kill all of them in that moment. If there's any moment Blue is going to kill any of the characters, it's right then and there. They took her kid. Yeah, it's the least believable part of Dominion. Out of everything that happens in Dominion. And according to these movies specifically, I'm not going even address the real science here, but they're saying like the the raptors are like smarter than primates. That's what Grant is saying in 3, and like all these movies tripling down on like how smart and like the emotional intelligence of these raptors is like we couldn't have even conceived of it. So Blue should be like ready to John Wick some motherfuckers. They took her kid.
00:42:32
Speaker
Unless she's smart enough to know that Chris Pratt's going to bring her back. No, why would she trust that? He failed her. Yeah, Chris, no. He's like, this stupid human got my baby taken. That's how smart Blue would be. He'd be like, it's his fault.
00:42:45
Speaker
Fuck you, Chris Pratt. And then bites his head off. You know what he is? He's protein for your journey to go get your baby back. What is your baby? Beta? What an offensive name for the baby, too. What the baby that grew up with ah with with ah a complex? Like, yeah, you fucking beta cook.
00:43:02
Speaker
Yeah, Jesus. What are you doing, kid? I know you're a clone, but still. will still be defending Chris Pratt in these movies, though, to be honest. You agree we don't need him? No, I'll defend that.
00:43:15
Speaker
He's not as bad as people... make it out to be. Owen Thundergum?
00:43:22
Speaker
That's his name, right? He's just an actor with the script he was given. I feel like he does a good job and I feel he's a very likable character and let's face it, they did move these movies more into the direction for kids and kids like Chris Pratt.
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah, but okay, but you can use him well in something that appeals to kids. Like guards Guardians of Galaxy is a good use of of Chris Pratt. And Garfield.
00:43:46
Speaker
I haven't seen Garfield. actually really fun. I can't comment on it. Odie's the G in that movie. Like, he should be kind of leaning into his unlikeability assholery, but he's like kind of supposed to be respected as Owen, right? He's the most respected as Owen. Even Alan Grant walks up to him in Dominion. He's like, you train raptors. like, I know you. He can't work a fucking cell phone.
00:44:11
Speaker
but he knows who Owen Thunderbolt is. That's like knowing who a staff member at SeaWorld is. Alan Grant's like, I heard of this guy who feeds the whales at SeaWorld.
00:44:21
Speaker
what will i where Why does he know this guy? Where was this in Dominion? Like, why didn't we get more of Alan Grant and Owen Grady talking about this? like what do we get Like, this movie, Dominion bastardizes Owen Grant. like we didn Why didn't we get Alan Grant being like, oh, you train rappers. That's cool. It'll be...
00:44:39
Speaker
And not being Alan Grant being like, you trained Raptors? That's a sin. i what Why don't we get that Alan Grant? like let's do something like is just Alan Grant in Dominion is basically like just bringing your grandpa along for the ride who's like half-minded, because that's... He's not playing Alan Grant in this movie. He doesn't take any hard stance, and I know that's kind of his characteristic, is he's, like, a bit cowardly, but they're not actually, like, using it in that way. It's not in the Jurassic Park 3 way.
00:45:07
Speaker
yeah Alan Grant, of, like, how he doesn't commit to things, like, basically, like, why his relationship with Ellie never never took off, but that's kind of like a subtext in Jurassic Park 3, but you don't even address that. You have the clone girl bring up, like, oh, are you guys aren't a thing?
00:45:22
Speaker
and then... Then they kiss at the end, but like there's not actual relationship tension with him. They make him like the butt of a joke. It almost feels like Colin Javara watches the first and third Jurassic Park movie and sees Alan Grant and is pointing at the screen laughing, being like, look at the nerd.
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah, look at the nerd. Digs up bones. Nerds. And then he was like Dominion like treated him that way basically like can you believe like this fucking nerd as we're writing it. Like having him be in an underdog like three starts with him at in a similar ish situation where he's like you know needs money he's down his luck some people don't take him seriously outside of like his experience in in the in the park but like he's still you want to root for him to succeed what am I rooting for in Dominion for him to do you know. In Dominion, he is just kind of like out-of-touch old guy, doesn't really know what's going on in the world. Yeah. And they kind of play him like he's an idiot, too. He's not really in the plan-making process with Jeff Goldblum. They also play Jeff Goldblum like he's a complete idiot, too.
00:46:31
Speaker
Like the scene where he shows up. I didn't know there'd be a code. Yeah. I didn't know there'd be a code. you Why didn't you think there would be a code in this secret dinosaur facility that you had to, like, you you know, give them key code access to other levels? You didn't think there would be a code here? Why didn't Ramsey, the guy who sent him on his way with the Jeep, give him the code? He's hey, oh, yeah, there's gonna be a code there, by the way. knew every step of the plan, except...
00:46:56
Speaker
for when he did it. They do this weird thing. I like that actor. He's used in a baffling way. I do like Ramsey, but they do this weird thing where it's like they make the original trio where it's like, here's the girl and the two dumb guys for some reason. And that's not how the dynamic was in the original Jurassic Park. Yeah, they had a weird thing where like They were kind of trying out-alph each other parts and in park. yeah but more None of them were dumb. Yeah, but they play where it's like the ah smart, strong woman and the two dumb idiot guys. And it's like, I understand what you're doing, but that's not the dynamic of...
00:47:39
Speaker
it' these characters me that just embodies all the things with how world is missing the appeal of the dynamic of those characters but of the dinosaurs themselves because like park and then the stuff that i like in lost world and three it's like not just that they're scary and will eat you that there's like like spielberg you could kind of feel like that he like respects almost like is like you're wearing a Godzilla shirt right now almost to the degree of like how Godzilla is depicted as like the sea god of this chaos in the Japanese movies like and so he's like kind of reverential of
Thematic Depth in Jurassic Movies
00:48:14
Speaker
them in a way but not overly so where it's like fanservice-y it's more just like it's like whoa these are like
00:48:21
Speaker
you know, these are like, you know, acts of God or something, you know, but in you feel that like genuine miracle, this of them, ah and their majesty and how fearsome they are, but you don't, you only get one facet of a time in the world movies, they don't, and they don't really do them like the awe of I guess you could argue you can't only redo the whoa, the majesty of dinosaurs so many times you could find a new take on like that.
00:48:46
Speaker
Well, they tried after that, they try to do like the these-are-wild-animal things, and we have to respect nature. Honestly, Jurassic Park 3, without even making it real text, manages to do the these-are-animals a bit better because Jurassic World is... Yeah, they are just being hunted by animals, and they're just surrounded by animals that are in their own ecosystem. Yeah.
00:49:08
Speaker
Yeah, the raptors have their pack and they're hunting you now because you're in their nest and they have like eggs. You're like fucking with their shit. There's a spinosaurus that's after you. You know, there's a big pile of shit from another dinosaur that's scaring the other ones away.
00:49:22
Speaker
It's just you're there with the dinosaurs and their animals that are around them. yeah They feel more like animals than they do in the world movies. and And then how are we supposed to feel about them overall in the world? Because it's like characters flip flop about like, no, that we need to preserve their lives. These are important.
00:49:39
Speaker
Like they go to the island before it explodes and and in Fallen Kingdom. But then it we're also I feel like we never disprove the initial assertion of Park and especially Ian Malcolm being like, these things shouldn't exist at the same time as humans.
00:49:54
Speaker
The movie, the other movies will kind of agree at other times, but then also be like, yeah, but sometimes they're your friend like blue. So like, which one is it? like I wanted Fallen Kingdom Jeff Goldblum, even though he's short.
00:50:07
Speaker
That's the Jeff Goldblum I wanted in Dominion. Welcome to fallen who the of Jurassic World. The world will become a falling kingdom. Does he say that? in are in a no i don he like yeah He says it in Fallen Kingdom. He's like, we've entered a new era.
00:50:24
Speaker
Welcome to Jurassic World. But the way his tone is, though, it's kind of like, yeah, it is Ian Malcolm. But he's taking himself seriously because he's addressing Congress, but he's still kind of being Ian Malcolm-y.
00:50:35
Speaker
like Kind of like in the Lost World. But he's not... trying too hard and overdoing it like he did in Dominion. No, he's closer to his Thor Ragnarok character in Dominion than he is to Ian Malcolm.
00:50:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He's just like a goofy gesture. who like somehow has parts of, well, it makes more sense when you're like, oh, Ramsay came up with this whole plan, because I'm like, yeah, I know this fucking idiot. At least the Ian Malcolmist depicted in Dominion didn't do it, because like, it doesn't seem any of them, they just make everyone dumber in it, and it like doesn't make sense. Like, if you you can have the movie be dumb, but then the characters be smart. You can do that. like it's Colin Trevorrow saying that older people are dumb.
00:51:20
Speaker
Except for Laura Dern. Maybe this is because when they were writing, when they were doing the movie, they all lived in the same hotel because was during COVID times. He's like, see, I don't hate women. The guys are dumb in this one.
00:51:31
Speaker
Every night. imness Every night they would like meet together and kind of like rewrite their lines. So, I mean, that's kind of troublesome for a movie.
00:51:43
Speaker
I mean, you're talking about ah who the original cast? would actors what The original cast? Yeah, the original cast. I mean, dude, Alan Grant looks fucking checked out. I know that's not his name. Sam Neill looks checked out in this whole movie. He's just along for the right. was like, does he have dementia or something?
00:52:01
Speaker
It's like if you brought... And you could have made that part of the thing where he... Because every time they bring him back, I like in 3 how it's blatantly like he's doing this for the money. Like the character, at Grant is. But then you could also be like, yeah, that's also how they got Sam Neill back. They wrote him a fat check.
00:52:17
Speaker
But you know, like, there's no... but why is he doing anything in Dominion just because Ellie Sadler shows up, but then we don't do anything with like, there should be relationships. Okay. Use the fact that she'd ended up not with him and she had well ah kids with another guy, like have that family be part of like the stakes or something in Dominion. but And,
00:52:40
Speaker
No, they completely set her back up to where she was in the first movie, basically. she's like He's like, what about Mark? And she's like, not with him anymore. I'm single, so single. I'm doing the dinosaur thing again. i could Kiss a guy right now if I wanted to. Yeah, she's like, ah, living the Alan Grant lifestyle. So happy to be back where I was in 1993. Dressed the same and everything. Yeah, she got ah gave him a card with the release date of Jurassic Park on it, and it meant something.
00:53:13
Speaker
Spoilers for Mission Impossible Final Reckoning. can we talk about how ah good that tea was that he made her in that little in that little shack? oh women and I like that he offers her beer at first. drink He's like, can I get you something? That's how out of touch and old and stupid he is. He doesn't understand what time of day it is. Yeah, I know. He's just like fucking wasted and a loser. No, he's just old and dumb. Speaking of this subject, are we done with the Lost World?
00:53:45
Speaker
Is anything we want to revisit in the Lost World? I like San it's san Francisco, right? At the end where the... francisco Did they originally plan for it to be raptors and then change it to T-Rex?
00:53:57
Speaker
Because I feel like I read something about that. Because then it also makes... Yeah, raptors got on the boat. now Because the people they find dead on the boat. I'm like, how did the T-Rex do that? Yeah, that was supposed to be a thing too, but I think that seems... We're leaning back.
00:54:12
Speaker
taking away from it. I'm just imagining him like... is it It's the baby that killed all those people? is that No, it's the T-Rex. He sucked him all in like a vacuum? No, he like ducked down.
00:54:25
Speaker
He's like, hey, get over here. The T-Rex wasn't in the cargo hold. The T-Rex was in that cage that was sitting on the deck So they basically course corrected that. Oh, it broke free from that and ate the people. There would be more holes in the ship if a T-Rex had like busted through. But originally it was supposed to be wrapped. I feel ship have sunk or tipped over. Like a shift would have had. There should be Kool-Aid man sized holes where a T-Rex went through. That much weight moving...
00:54:51
Speaker
I mean, would a ship be able to not tip over? I don't know. I mean, when Ethan Hunt was in the Sabastopol, just the slightest nudge like set was about to send that thing over the ridge. Yeah, did the entity see that this was going to happen? And why didn't Ethan Hunt stop it Wow.
00:55:08
Speaker
So all those deaths are kind of on him. It's like the fallout of all his decisions. Oh, wait, this was 96?
00:55:17
Speaker
97? 97. was the first mission possible? Yeah, 96. That was a year before The Lost World. So Ethan was fully in IMF, could have stopped all of it. Yeah, I don't get it. Because talking about Grant like that, if we can segue into Jurassic Park 3...
00:55:33
Speaker
We can go into what the original script was going to be for his character. Before we do that, I want to say I like what we got with his character. In 3. In 3. I like it too. I think that's a good version of the, if you want to be like, he's ah like an underdog, almost loser-y status. that i I don't know if that's what they were going for in Dominion, but like 3 is the good version of like, yeah, life didn't really pan out for him, you know? It seems like he's doing better in Dominion than he was doing in Jurassic Park 3.
00:56:04
Speaker
Yeah, I like that take. Life didn't really pan out for him. Like, he is down on his luck, so that when someone... You get that when someone offers him a lot of money, even though... Because he's losing funding for his dig site. That's why he takes the money. No rational person would go to and a dinosaur island again, but you you I buy that he would be that desperate.
00:56:23
Speaker
If you're making a living speaking in front of people, you're probably not making that much money. Yeah. Well, ah going into Jurassic Park 3, actually, the original script was exactly what you guys were saying.
00:56:36
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He's a guy who's down on his luck, not making money. Dinosaurs are, there's a whole island of dinosaurs. People kind of don't care about paleontologists anymore. So one of the original script points was he was actually living on Isla Sorna and studying the dinosaurs because he was a guy down on his luck and didn't have anything else.
00:56:53
Speaker
And he was miserable and he was, just living on the island now i'm picturing him with his hunt for the wilder people look but like on a dinosaur island and he's good that's a good take i would i would pay to see them i i like three but that is an idea that's more of an idea than the sequels we're going to get to after this have for like what to do with any of these characters because that's at least like a it's a radically different thing but you could like in your mind fill in the like okay i could see how they were writing that movie as they were shooting it there's a lot of production issues there's a lot of problems with the movie it's and then didn't cryton even come in for a few days to try and like like hash out a script vision and love and he's like i'm just gonna go do er r when did he create er i forget when that was but he was like i'm just gonna it was already wasn't already going
00:57:43
Speaker
This was in the 2000s, right? When 3 came out? Yeah. Part 3 was 2003, I think. 2001. 2001? Jeez. thousand one ge Yeah, 2001's when 3 came out. yeah ER r was like late 90s. Pre 9-11 or post 9-11? Pre, because I saw it that summer.
00:57:58
Speaker
I remember I was in Hawaii with my family, and we made sure, we were like, hey, we gotta see Jurassic Park 3. This is more important than Hawaii. Yeah, that was ah that was yeah it's pre 9-11, because it came out the summer. So 9-11 would only be like, what?
00:58:10
Speaker
It came out in June. And then that's what the world movie should have been like, the war on terror with dinosaurs. No, no military dinosaurs. The military stuff in world, we'll get to It's so goofy.
00:58:23
Speaker
Three, like, and and we me and Nick talked about this the other day. It's a movie that I absolutely did not like watching. I kept going back to it, not liking it.
00:58:33
Speaker
Post Dominion, maybe even post Fallen Kingdom, even. I started to appreciate it more. It is a short movie. It's easy to digest. It's got a... There's a lot of issues I still have with the movie and the script and obviously the T-Rex-Pinosaurus thing being the biggest. What are the script issues? that It's very... It's a lean script. It just can fucking gets to it. It's not really offensive to the Jurassic Park fan. It doesn't shit on anything. doesn't try to like expand anything in a way that ruins it. It's safe. That's the biggest thing you could put against it. but
00:59:06
Speaker
If you're deep into Jurassic Park in the community and you get to watch the videos of people who have the old drafts of scripts. I like how you call it the community. You guys have marches and stuff. I wish you had Jurassic Park march. Maybe we could have that in Jurassic June.
00:59:22
Speaker
should just be like a yearly gathering. You guys are going to take Brioway. June is for Jurassic Park now. We do have Jurassic June.
00:59:34
Speaker
We can combine them. It be a thing. Hey, they're like non-binary dinosaurs. They change genders and stuff. Yeah. It's kind of woke. Is Jurassic Park woke?
00:59:45
Speaker
It's ahead of its time. Cryon's got some weird ideas. he they That's what the seque the world sequel should just yeah just be like weird, cryon-y stuff that you insert.
00:59:57
Speaker
a dinosaur into so but but but going with three the thing that just works for me like from minute one when it's opening just the vibe of how it's presenting things like slashing the the the three through the the title the music the way it's shot is really conveying to you from the get-go this is like a B movie, but with a bigger budget. It's like playing like a B monster movie that just has more money to play with. And I kind of like that vibe. Which is kind of like other marketing rebirths.
01:00:28
Speaker
maybe Maybe I like Rebirth then if it's going to be like 3 because I like 3. Is that how they're marketing Rebirth? Because there's a big poster. $185 million dollars budget for a Jurassic movie. Yeah, but they're not and the marketing is not emphasizing that, are they? The Letterboxd poster is Scarlett Johansson. That's the marketing, Scarlett. Right above the logo with a beautiful, big, vast location. It looks like Tomb Raider.
01:00:54
Speaker
The main things that I see them emphasizing are Scarlet and then them being like, David Koepp is back. I feel like that that that that makes sense why they would want to make deal. capitalize on fucking presents and how good that movie was. He also wrote Black Bag, too. He yeah. So they're like, oh, David Koepp's having a year. We better yeah coast off of this.
01:01:14
Speaker
you um have Have you seen either of those? Presents or Black Bag? No, but listening to your guys' podcast made me want to watch them. he I think he's on a good thing with Soderbergh, right? Soderbergh should have made the new Jurassic World. He would have had it done under budget within like three days, shot it on an iPhone or something. i mean, ah it's hard for me to go against Gareth Edwards because Gareth Edwards is definitely, from looking at the trailers and his past work, is a great visionary a great visual director, especially with scale, because ire universal Universal just wanted really a point-and-shoot director.
01:01:51
Speaker
And I think they got the best. Because wasn't the original, didn't they have, who did Deadpool 2 Fall Guy, what's his name? ah Not Chad Stileski, but the other John Wick guy. David Leach? David Leach was, was ah and then they got rid of him because he wanted to fire a producer. He had too many ideas. They're like, we don't want those years. The last guy had a lot of ideas. He had three movies full of ideas. I think you wanted to fire a producer that was close with David Kep and Spielberg and they said no, which, I mean, when I saw that he was directing, I was kind of like, damn, that sucks.
01:02:26
Speaker
Because when they announced the Jurassic World movie, all automatically i was like, Gareth Edwards should direct us. He just did the creator. He's not doing anything else. And hearing his story about it was pretty funny because he just saw like the movie's looking for a new director because this movie was so fast-tracked all that news was getting leaked it's like oh they lose the director and gareth just goes to his agent text and he's like is this stupid and his and his manager was like already on it for you and then david kept calling was like yeah we didn't know you were
Speculations on Future Directors
01:02:54
Speaker
like into jurassic like that i'm like how do you i mean did you see guys any of his interviews have you seen him on stage with trevaro
01:03:02
Speaker
like I feel like Gareth Edwards where they wanted they wanted Leech and then when that didn't work out he's good with visuals he makes things look nice I think he peaked as monster is still my favorite Gareth Edwards movie because I feel like that ah actually I'm like compelled by the journey of those characters even though they're underwritten characters but I'm still like connecting to that in a way that I don't in any of the like Gareth at ah the the Godzilla is probably the best Godzilla of the monsterverse just visually alone but then we have to follow Aaron Taylor John an actor who I like and other stuff like
01:03:43
Speaker
but he's like got nothing. If it means anything, he only wrote monsters and the creator. Those are the only two movies he has a writing credit. I saw it. The creator actually did.
01:03:55
Speaker
I mean, people do say that's their biggest critique of him is like, i'd like to re-watch the creator i thought it was just okay it reminded me of like an early 2000s throwback kind of uh sci-fi i think it kind of looked movie tom cruise would have done in the early like one of those doug lyman lehman movies or like earlier like my like he would have done it around minority report like a neil blomkamp post district 9 movie that's a good comparison to like elysium better than Elysium. I like Chappie. I'll defend Chappie. Chappie upsets me on a weird level. I think it's supposed to be kind of upsetting. District 9's ending is really upsetting.
01:04:34
Speaker
It really bothered me when I walked out of the theater. It's existentially terrifying. District 9's ending is kind of sweet though. but it's also really sad. Chappie tries to pretend like it's sweet but it's fucked up. i I think Chappie knows it's fucked up. Chappie, the robot, is having a good time, but the the story is fucked up. Yeah, it is. What do we not like about Jurassic Park 3?
01:04:55
Speaker
Not enough Chappie. Chappie should have been in the movie. ah The ending, I think. I feel like it didn't really... It seems like they didn't know how to end it.
01:05:06
Speaker
and So they're kind of just like, don't The raptors surround them, and then the military comes. and It's a lot of the military. They're writing the movies, and they're like, We don't know how to end it. Can we just hire the military for a day? We just need shot of them in a helicopter flying away like the first one. I like that shot. I like that.
01:05:22
Speaker
Visually, I like that. like the pterodactyls flying. That's what I like. Then you pterodactyls like, oh, what's going to happen next? I do. I always liked that as a kid. As a kid, that was one of my favorite parts, just wondering.
01:05:33
Speaker
i kind Are they going to keep flying? Where are they going? Well, as a kid, i kind of knew. it felt like this was the ending. sensed blood in the water even as a kid somehow. I was just like, this feels kind of like the last one of these.
01:05:47
Speaker
And so just in my head, I was just like, yeah, they go and they just start nesting in the city and attacking people and become a problem, I guess.
Potential Plot Developments
01:05:55
Speaker
Yeah, like the it just continues from there. And that's what where they should have picked up in World or something. I don't know. Jurassic World?
01:06:03
Speaker
Park 3 was always my favorite as a kid. Not my favorite. The first one was my favorite. But I like really loved Jurassic Park 3 as a kid. and joe Johnson just has juice. He does.
01:06:15
Speaker
Almost nothing bothered me. The first Captain America has aged the best out of all of them. His Captain America. More than Winter Soldier? i I like... Civil War is the one that's aged the best for me. used to not like that. I like that one in terms of like how much I like it compared to how I originally liked it. Yes, I guess Civil War. But like, I think overall, I like the first Avenger the best. I like, I don't know. It's just the style of it. He's good at that throwback kind of like retro-y.
01:06:44
Speaker
Like, if ah what's what's his other? Rocketeer is basically a superhero movie like that. That also has that vibe. he knows how to make a crowd pleaser. he He embraces genre stuff in like a goofy way, but that's sincere. I think that's what I connect with. like it He doesn't feel like he's like better than the goofiness inherent in these concepts. He's like, no, that the goofiness is the thing I like. He did ah October Sky with Jake Gyllenhaal. It's so much more serious than his other work. did he really that? I think he did, right?
01:07:18
Speaker
Double check, but if he did, I love that movie though, but I have to give him a lot of credit if that's him too. That movie's great. Shows a lot of range. I need to rewatch his Wolfman. I need to give his Wolfman another go. Yeah, that was Joe Johnston. Yeah, that movie rules. Have you guys both seen it? Yeah, I saw it a kid. yeah vi monha It's a young Jake Gyllenhaal. I think ah before Donnie Darko.
01:07:41
Speaker
Maybe, yeah. It's a nice, like, sweet movie about... You might have... I saw it in school. Oh, and he did Jumanji! He did the original Jumanji. He did, yeah. Joe Johnston is cool. And he did Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Come on.
01:07:53
Speaker
Come on. Yeah, this guy can't miss. you let's Let's get him... i wish I could agree as much as you guys do about Joe Johnston. what where What are his misses? Yeah, what did he do to you? Well, first, nothing killed the T-Rex.
01:08:10
Speaker
I knew that's what you were going to say. It's this fucking T-Rex. That's his hang-up. Since we were kids, it's been the T-Rex dying. well Sometimes our heroes have to die. Kill the pass.
01:08:22
Speaker
Kill the pass, let it die. Kyle, you're Last Jedi fan, but you're behaving like a Rise of Skywalker fan. oh That has some juice to it. These guys got juice. Man, that hurt. I'm just kidding. T-Rex dies, okay. but it's like just How they do it, first off, the T-Rex is kicking its ass, and then it just kills it. It's like,
01:08:47
Speaker
A better movie would have been, hey, let's have two apex predators go after our characters throughout this movie. You did that the last one, though. Yeah, do it again. It worked. youve got to du The box office shows because this movie did not perform nearly as well as The Lost World. And people but were mad about it. Do the Lost World again.
01:09:06
Speaker
You got rid of the T-Rex because you had more room for raptors and you get pterodactyls. I think you don't like the pterodactyls, right, Kyle? Or did you like am I wrong? Do you like the pterodactyls? like it.
01:09:16
Speaker
It's... I like Is that shit you didn't get in the last movie? You have one apex predator and you have more room? Because the raptor stuff is really good in Jurassic Park 3. like the pterodactyls. It's a very tense scene. Jurassic Park 3 is the second best raptor stuff. Billy just should have They should just kept Billy dead.
01:09:34
Speaker
Billy? Yeah,
Personal Rankings and Critiques
01:09:35
Speaker
I think bringing him back, like, oh, look, he's alive. I'm like, oh, that's... Billy, Don't, Billy! Billy, don't! I think it would have been more impactful if Billy just... I forget it's just Alessandro Nivella.
01:09:46
Speaker
From Craven the Hunter fame. Rhino. Rhino himself. Yeah. What would Rhino do on that island? From the Brutalist.
01:09:56
Speaker
The Raptors are the best looking of any of the franchise. In 3.3? Yes. The best Raptors. They should just make it the best sequel by default. They have hair. They have little hairs. i think Yeah, I love it. There's things I like about the movie, there's things I don't. I just wish and i wish the movie was longer. i wish there was more...
01:10:13
Speaker
Don't you love like a tight 90 though, where you're just like in and You're like, Oh man, I went for a ride and now I got rest of my day. Imagine if was a tight, imagine if was a tight 90.
01:10:25
Speaker
Well, not every movie needs to be. I don't like, I don't like my nineties. I like a movie that's two hours and five minutes and longer. To me, it's already a good sign that it's going to be a good movie. Yeah, but see, i don't I think it just depends on the movie because some movies don't need to be that long. also want say love The Lost World. like I love the length.
01:10:44
Speaker
It doesn't bother me. See, Joe Johnston should have come in on the edit for Lost World. He would have had that shit. He wanted to talk about two of Lost World. Because he was already talking to Spielberg at that point, right? I mean, there are pals, too. I think he wanted to direct two and Spielberg was like, no. Yeah, you do three.
01:11:02
Speaker
and but But I'm i'm taking the this best sequence with this dinosaur in San Francisco. for like i'm I'm using that one. because If I had to give you my my ranking of the six movies, it's going to No, don't do it.
01:11:14
Speaker
Jurassic Park, The Lost World, Fallen Kingdom, Jurassic World, JP3, and Dominion. That's offensively low, I think, for Jake. But if there was like a spot of 10, like say 10 spots, and I could just move the minion all the way to the bottom and leave everything else blank,
01:11:36
Speaker
just and it's bad because it's like oh you rank it just slightly above dominion but it's that movie's light years better than dominion the gulf between them is is vast is what you're saying i'm interested to get to you ranked fallen kingdom so high there's stuff of of the world trilogy that one has the most juice and like potential and it has the lost some lost world vibes to it and you had a good director behind it unfortunately he was working with trevorrow's script Right, like a director who knows horror who could... like there's i like I like the haunted house stuff. I mean, we'll get to it. It's the whole first half of that movie that's really gobbledygook. Some people like the first half better of The Erupting Island. I'm like, no. i mean That's bad. Everybody that's involved... I've texted this to Doug. Everybody that's involved in the events of the first half of Fallen Kingdom...
01:12:25
Speaker
Should be thrown in jail. They should not be allowed to be involved in the plot of Dominion because they're still incarcerated from the events of Fallen you guys want to hear my perfect Fallen Kingdom Dominion movie?
01:12:38
Speaker
Sure. You have the, so, so world happens has it as it happens. You're not changing that. i'm not world What would you rate world out of five stars? Me? I gave it three out of five. I think and a half out of five. i give it a three and a half to four out of five.
01:12:54
Speaker
My first viewing, I was at like a three, but I feel like if I rewatch every rewatch, there's a little bias there. Cause I will be honest. I waited 14 years for a movie. I kept looking online, reading interviews of like when they're going to begin production on these movies. So,
01:13:07
Speaker
Just being back 14 years later from 2001 to 2015, and Nick was with me, like we got a our all our friends at the time, like we had like the whole row of seats, maybe even a couple outside of the row taken and just watching it. It was, it's not a bad movie.
01:13:22
Speaker
It's not the, it's not the best movie, but. I really like Safety's Not Guaranteed. That's why I was excited for the World. i did yeah You were with us, right? when Maybe. you saw all and You might have been. I think you might have been. I saw the movie eight times in movie theater.
01:13:36
Speaker
Geez, I saw Endgame about ten times in the theater. Not Endgame, Infinity War, about ten times in theaters. Dark Knight and Us are the movies I've seen the most times in theaters. like ah Four times.
01:13:48
Speaker
Yeah, I just kept taking people to see it. I'm like, this is important. Me too. Here's my ideal. so Universal, please hire me. well Real quick, before you... yeah Actually, I'll talk about... well Because you were talking about your theater experience, how we all went together. Yeah, two years.
01:14:02
Speaker
And, well, I was putting... i actually kind of, like, when I put on Jurassic World a couple days ago, but because I knew we were going to this podcast... i i actually like almost was like kind of transported there for the first time i like turn on the movie and that like shot of the raptor and the egg i remember watching the trailer for the first time because i think that was like the teaser and i remember seeing that in the theater and being like oh my god it had good marketing yeah i was like this is going to be a horror movie and the raptors are going to be a big part
01:14:36
Speaker
and rewatching it. were selling it as like a return to form like this is going to make you're feel Spielberg level magic. And re-watching it this time, I mean, Chris Pratt aside, because his character is a whole issue in the movie. It will that.
01:14:51
Speaker
But it really is just making the raptors dogs, I think, is really what kind of like tanks how I feel about that movie. I feel so weird when I watch I'm like, something feels off.
01:15:05
Speaker
Yes. Something felt off in the theater. And I feel like it's the treatment of the raptors and them having such a different role. Because they're so... Throws off the equilibrium of the They're so in the first trilogy. And they're so lethal. They're, like, more lethal than the T-Rex in terms of, like, just body count and, like, how much they can fuck with you because they can, like, come into buildings and, like, open doors and shit. Yeah. But, like...
01:15:29
Speaker
the And then, yeah, they're like... It neuters them. If Blue can be trained, then why am I i'm worried about Which not going to disagree with, but at least the part that softens the blow is we do get some cool raptor kill scenes.
01:15:45
Speaker
Like, once the Indominus Rex is like, oh yeah, I'm the alpha, you guys gotta listen to me. They start just killing everybody. Granted, I think Trevorrow could have made that a bit darker. But at least we got that, because...
01:15:56
Speaker
everything after that. I mean, cause you said they neuter the Raptors, then they get some of it back and then the rest of the franchise just neuters them even more. And yeah it doesn't recover from that. um I know, wait, so what were you going say? Kyle also wanted to talk about his, ah his pitch for the two movies. I just want to talk talk about like the, and the world movies. And I feel like just overall this franchise doesn't really understand like human villain. Like, I feel like they're you either two mustache twirly. I mean, they're all like overtly like evil guys, but who's the villain in the first movie? Don Hammond. Hammond. Hammond's the villain. So, so like, why don't, he's a likable villain. Why don't any of the other sequels have a villain who like thinks they're doing the like right thing. And like, there, there, there's no nuance to the, like Vincent D'Onofrio is just like wants to make money to sell. We're talking about the world movies, not like the villain in the lost world, which is pretty convincing. Well, Hey, my uncle made our us go bankrupt. So we need the money. So we need to exploit these dinosaurs. I bought that.
01:17:01
Speaker
And in Jurassic World, the guy who runs the park is like a very likable guy that you would kind of want to hang out with. He's not like John Hammond at all, and they kind of don't really peg him as a villain.
01:17:13
Speaker
Right. Like, it seems weird to just be like, no. Is Bryce Dallas Howard or Henry Wu supposed to be the villain next to Hodge? she is portrayed in a colder more villainous light and i'm i'm not just sure i'm like is that just because uh based on your theory that trevor to rah-rah-rah-rah hates women does he hate women i don't know drastic world makes me think he might just based on just the characterization of claire through all three movies is weird but where she
01:17:45
Speaker
She starts in like an unlikable. but They don't. They're not. You're not supposed to like her in world. Right. No, not at all. Yeah. But I don't get it. I like her more than Owen. Well, because what is Owen? He's like, I'm I was in the Navy. Not who is he, but what is he?
01:18:01
Speaker
Why is he? Indiana Jones. yeah dan jones I don't think there's room for that character in these movies, though. That's the second big thing that kind of throws off. wanted to lean into the action, so you need to have an action type star. This wasn't a franchise that had an action issue, though.
01:18:23
Speaker
Right. It was people running from dinosaurs, and you didn't need the people running from them to be military trained. what they wanted to do. Who's they? ah studio Sounds like they shouldn't be making decisions. Let's take the franchise away from them, whoever they are.
01:18:39
Speaker
The studio, and is Spielberg, Trevorrow. Fucking get Spielberg out of there. hasn't he stepped in? like If i was him, I would be... Maybe he stepped in after Dominion. Maybe he stepped in too much. Maybe that's the issue. We don't know the conversations that are happening. so i don't think he stepped in enough for Dominion because while they were making the movie for Dominion, he's basically like, hey,
01:19:00
Speaker
David, can we make another one of these? Because I don't think this is going to go over so well. like Why else would they fast track this movie? Well, I guess it depends which Spielberg was stepping in. Was it Fableman's or Bridge of Spies Spielberg stepping in? Or was it Ready Player One Spielberg? Did yeah not watch Fallen Kingdom?
01:19:19
Speaker
Or was he just kind of like, there's a pandemic. I'm making the movie about me right now. I don't have time to focus on Jurassic Park. That's old shit. I'm focusing on older shit. and i'll defend I'll defend Fallen Kingdom.
01:19:32
Speaker
No, i i I mean, so yeah, let's go to Fallen Kingdom. Yeah, so was saying, like, my idea... Well, before we go there, Indominus Rex, not that bad. Just want to throw that out there. No, I like the Indominus Rex. He's fine, I guess, yeah, sure.
01:19:46
Speaker
That's some good kills in there. Takes out all the army men. I have nostalgia for the Indominus Rex now. It's weird. I never thought I'd be here in my life. It came out 10 years ago. So yeah, nostalgia. Nostalgia-worthy. I thought it was a good...
01:19:59
Speaker
Antagonist Dinosaur. Are you compared to any of the new dinosaurs? No, actually, no. I like Salad Fingers better than Indominus Rex. Yeah, Salad Fingers is the best. But so, your pitch, Kyle. My pitch.
01:20:10
Speaker
Fallen Kingdom. Obviously, we have the first act of them on the erupting island. my pitch would b My pitch would be that they get stuck on the island.
01:20:22
Speaker
As exploding, they manage to get off not by basically sneaking onto their ship, Back to the mainland. But they get stuck. And they got to find their way back. Right? Kind of like they're stuck on this island. Because mean it was a volcanic eruption.
01:20:38
Speaker
Maybe didn't destroy the whole island. Who knows. Maybe they guy deal with some other crap going on. But they take the dinosaurs. They do the auction stuff. And then we see that stuff goes wrong. Dinosaurs get out.
01:20:51
Speaker
It ends with them coming back. Maybe some odd years later. Like a time jump. And just dinosaurs are everywhere. And then that's where you start Dominion because lot of people's issues with Fallen Kingdom are it's like two movies put into one. Well, what if we separate them?
Themes and Elements in Fallen Kingdom
01:21:06
Speaker
well, what if you get rid of one of those, like, just get rid of the erupting island. Like, just throw that out. Like, why do we even need to address that? You don't want Fallen Kingdom to be a thing you wanted. I go straight to the man as go straight to the mansion.
01:21:19
Speaker
I agree with Doug. It's the first half that I have the issue with. The whole, like, well, for one, so we start off Fallen Kingdom where Claire is not the character that we knew her to be. She did a 180. She's an environmentalist. All dinosaur lives matter now. Yeah, someone bonked her on the head and she...
01:21:36
Speaker
ah Someone bonked her on the head and she had amnesia and they told her Coconut fell on her head. ah Yeah, they told her all this information that she likes dinosaurs now. And she was like, OK, I'm saving the dinosaurs.
01:21:47
Speaker
And that's where the movie begins. And Chris Pratt kind of reverses, too, because isn't he when initially when she comes to him, she's like, no, they should die. The island should. Yeah, we should we shouldn't save them. Which is reasonable. People should not interfere with this. like that's That's natural, yeah. their nature, yeah. I don't know, whatever. i don't give a shit.
01:22:07
Speaker
it That's what is the worst part, is at this point, like I don't give a shit what happens to the dinosaurs because they create their own problem as main characters by trying to get them off the island.
01:22:18
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like why not just start it's like people took them off the island and here they are like and we're already yeah like doug said at the mansion stuff like a bunch of activist groups and i don't need or if they're gonna be the ones who cause the problems make that part of because like okay not only do they cause that issue the whole dinosaurs escaping thing is their fault too at the end so like the movies should then become about how these people are like horrible criminals. I just, I don't need the movie. The movie doesn't really have an invite or these movies don't have an environmental message in the way they think they have an environmental message.
01:22:57
Speaker
And like, they don't do really a good job of making like, want them to keep the dinosaurs alive in any kind of capacity the only argument that ever makes sense is to let them die whenever someone tries to explain why we should save them i'm like no so they should eliminate that from the movie and have it either be on the island or have them be taken off the island in some sort of way i just don't think we need to get into the animal rights protect the dinosaurs kind of stuff
01:23:28
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That's where like this, it starts to weigh down Fallen Kingdom. And I feel like that's where it really starts to weigh down Dominion. It weighs them down because they don't have any follow up idea to that. It's just gesturing at that idea or a theme without love like, okay, so then what does that mean for like this world? if If we do dinosaur preservation? Oh, I don't know. I don't want to answer that. like You can get that awesome gyro ball spear into the movie without it being we have to save the dinosaurs.
01:24:04
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Yeah, just let him die. Let the past die. Kill it if you must. I mean, what are your thoughts, Kyle? I know we already go kind of hard on Fallen Kingdom. I just vastly prefer the other half. There is a lot to be hard on with the movie.
01:24:20
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I mean, I still defend it because I overall enjoyed myself during the movie. It's the most competently made one of the three. It looks the best out of the three. It looks the best.
01:24:31
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I mean, it's the scariest, maybe. The Indominus Rex is, it's not scary. It's like upsetting, kind of. Yeah, in like a just conceptual way of like, oh, how why did you do this? But...
01:24:44
Speaker
the the and the raptor is scarier just on a practical i feel like the raptors have just always been scarier just inherently but now now there's a super raptor and the idea of it like stalking through a house like opening door like it's goofy but it's like also scary like if you're like imagine yourself being stalked by this thing mean just it needs to kill more important faces i think they cut the scene that it was going to kill It to wear faces. It needs to kill someone and then wear their face in like an E-Fidon style. You look a little different today. like ah
01:25:17
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Well, they did record that the Indoraptor is supposed to kill the maid, the housekeeper in Fallen Kingdom, but they cut it. I like when it plays dead and then it like winks at the camera, basically. It like smiles at you, the audience of like, he's like Bugs Bunny. I don't care. I love it. No, I think that's fun. That's something Joe Johnston would do.
01:25:46
Speaker
and like ask him and see if he would have done the same thing I like the image of the raptor like creeping kind of with its hand. They should have either killed Chris Pratt in that moment or killed him at some point in Jurassic World. lot of our ideas for this trilogy are different points you could kill Chris Pratt. Yeah, there were good points to kill him in any of these movies where it would have been additive. People buy the tickets for the dinosaurs. They're not coming for Pratt. Kids are coming for Chris Pratt. No, he's been in things that kids already like. Kids already like Mario. Kids already like Garfield. They're not coming for Chris Pratt.
01:26:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's... He's not a movie... so He's not like Tom Cruise where the movie his name it alone sells the movie. it's I feel like people have been very outspoken about Chris Pratt, and it feels like as the movies go on they almost... It...
01:26:40
Speaker
So I don't have, like, issues with Chris Pratt as a person or, like, in his personal life. I'm just talking about how the movies use him and, as an actor, what he can do or should do. feels like they have hurt his career being in these movies.
01:26:54
Speaker
It does the opposite of what the Guardians movies do for him. The Guardians movies make the pitch of, like, he could be one of our next s leading met men. Oh, wow, this guy is a fucking star. And then the world movies are, like...
01:27:07
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Get this guy out way from me. I don't think a lot of people wanted to see him, like, as the big, cool guy hero. It's been, like, kind of rejected.
01:27:20
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Because he's a hero in Guardians, but he's, like... kind of he is doing the closest analog would be like Kurt Russell and Big Trouble where he's like a doofus and kind of ah a jackass but he's the lead ah he's like leading the action still and you're like kind of rooting for him just based on his personality I was trying to do the Kurt Russell like thought in my head with Chris Pratt being like okay so Kurt Russell did the thing after Big Trouble like not immediately after but or before wasn't it thing and then Big Trouble was later in the was it before
01:27:53
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I'm not too sure. Big Trouble's after. What order that was in. But I was thinking like, okay, could Chris Pratt do all of the Kurt Russell performances? i don't know if he could do the thing. Is he just Big Trouble Kurt Russell? He for sure can do Big Trouble.
01:28:09
Speaker
Yeah. and Could he do Snake Plissken? I don't think he could, no. and wouldn't take it seriously, right? Like, be like, who's this asshole? I think Chris Pratt, his issue is he plays it too seriously. He plays it too much as the cool guy. Because there's goofy stuff in the Escape movies, but Snake Plissken himself is like, like it's like Kurt Russell can play the comedic beats as that character, but you're still taking Snake seriously. You're like, well, Snake's cool, but he just did a three-pointer from Batman. mean, Snake Plissken almost did.
01:28:43
Speaker
Oh, it is his dad in the Guardians movies. That's a good point. Yeah, true. You go. Snake Plissken almost feels like cool guy satire, though. Yes, it's very, like, winking of, like, he's just like, hey, and I'm a cool guy. And the issue with Chris Pratt is I don't feel like he would play it as satire. he really believe He really leans into I'm action guy star, and I just don't feel like it This inserence works for Scar Lord, but not for Owen.
01:29:13
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Have you guys seen The Terminalist? The Terminalist? Yeah. That's a movie. haven't. No, it's a TV show on Amazon. With Chris Pratt? Yeah, if you want to see him as an action star who kills people with a tomahawk.
01:29:24
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don't know if I want to. I feel like that would change your guys' opinion on him as an action star because it's it's rated R. It's crushing. It's a really good story. It's ah based on a series of books by Jack Carr, an ex- Has he a Marine? Marine. was his granddaughter.
01:29:44
Speaker
The movies, ah the TV show is really good. I'd recommend it because, I mean, also the Fen' Chris Pratt, he doesn't bother me as much in these movies. really i get your guys points but overall doesn't really good in stuff like what's that baseball movie with brad pitt um money ball he's great in money ball he is really good yeah like like if you're not going to use him in a guardians of the galaxy way if you're not having him be big trouble kurt russell then he should just be part of an ensemble like thing instead of the actual lead because i'm about to do a terminal list rewatch too so if you guys have the time check it out i think it might change your
01:30:20
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might change your opinion on i because basically it's this marine he comes back they're basically sabotaged most of his men die he comes back stuff happens with his family he thinks it was him they it's it's really good like i think it's a fitting the writing's really good so i think chris pratt really leans into it well probably better than well definitely better than these jurassic movies because like i said a lot of people do complain about him like i said it wasn't i don't even mind him in uh zero dark 30 yeah he's great he like i think he kind of just reads to me now is like he's collecting a paycheck like he gets paid a lot of money to do the action movies so he does those that's what it reads a little bit they don't feel like passion projects for sure no yeah they don't i
01:31:11
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but I'm kind of wondering, how do you... I don't think he could fit into this, but do you guys think he could fit into, like, Tom Cruise, War the Worlds type of role? Like, a bad dad, maybe? he should play a bad dad, 100%. I think he could... ah He should lean into roles where he is kind of sucks. like start That's why Star-Lord kind of works, is because Star-Lord's a jackass, you know? like yeah He's...
01:31:37
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they're garbage human beings all of them of raccoons yeah they're aliens dude humanoid things he should and i know like he probably likes god too much to do this he should really do like a boogie nights or something he should find some auteur directors like show his dick yeah that you should show with dick and get an oscar that's what you're supposed to do all thomas anderson would know how to use the guy well you brought up passion I mean, because with the terminal list, he got a copy of the book, reached out to Chad Carr and said, I want to, I want this role. I want to do this role.
01:32:14
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And he was doing the Tomorrow War, I think, for Amazon. And that did well. So he brought it to Amazon. He's like, I want this to be a thing. He was passionate about it. And he sells himself in the role. He he lost a lot. Like if you watch Guardians and Thor Love and Thunder, you see that he's kind of skinnier, but he's still like jacked. Yeah.
01:32:31
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Because he was training for that role. So if you want to see, him in a passion r-rated killing spree i just wish he was passionate about something cooler than marines that's it's like not a super fascinating subject to me yeah i don't know i don't remember him in jennifer's body he was in jennifer's body though forgot about that he was in her there was another wanted in wanted he's the guy fucking um um uh who played split uh james mcavoy he's he's fucking james mcavoy's girlfriend and then james mcavoy hits him with a keyboard and then his the letters on the keyboard come flying and then the u is like chris prass too and it says fuck you
01:33:15
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Can we get a Jurassic movie with chris with James McAvoy? As a dinosaur. As a dinosaur. Doing personality and doing the x Xavier voice and a split personality.
01:33:27
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I'd buy a ticket. I'd buy 100 tickets for that. He's also in the Lego movie. did you guys The Lego movie's good. It is. Did you guys see The Magnificent Seven? No, I didn't.
01:33:37
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I'm curious. I mean, the my initial reaction was like, well, why are you remaking? It's already a remake of of v and remaking. My question is, why is Denzel in this? He likes working with Fukunaga, right? Oh, the equalizer guy.
01:33:52
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Sorry to keep bringing up Antoine Fukunaga, but he directed Terminalist too. the TV show? the Yeah, the TV show, yeah. Equalizer guy? Yep. You're really trying to sell us on this terminal list.
01:34:03
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It's really good if you watch it. What if Denzel was in the terminal list? Then I would watch it if you were like, Denzel? Honestly, Denzel's greater. Denzel probably could be in the terminal list. be like, that sounds good when you're saying it's Chris Pratt. I'm like, hmm. I mean, because Equalizer is one of my favorite Denzel movies for sure.
01:34:19
Speaker
I know Chris Pratt's making too much money to do indie, but I feel like there's a safety brothers type thing. That would be where he's like a scum bum. Like he could be doing in a fucking Celine song movie.
01:34:33
Speaker
He could, he could have been in like the materialists or version of something like that. Yeah. And it wouldn't have been bad. Better than that Netflix show. We do with Millie Bobby Brown or movie.
01:34:45
Speaker
I didn't watch that. It looked bad. could do an I Love You Man or something. he could do like a Paul Rudd comedy. I don't know. He's already been in a Paul Rudd comedy. Okay, let's rank the Chris's really fast.
01:35:00
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let's rank that chris is really fast hemsworth number one hemsworth totally especially after furiosa yeah he's maintaining hemsworth does the most interesting things yeah that's that's the person you're waiting to when he's like oh he's using his clout for passion thing i'm like well he's doing that then he's making shit like uh bad times at bad royale or furiosa so like that's so that's cool he'll be a gross villain because he's like a pedophile in bad times at the El Royale. He does funny voices in a bunch of movies. he's He's a funny guy. He's like the funniest part of that of the 2016 Ghostbusters. Yeah. Like he's funny. i just you got to say I want to see him sing now.
01:35:41
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He should do a musical with Baz Luhrmann or a musical comedy. ah musical comedy the walk hard guy. and And Tom Cruise is there. I don't know. Yeah.
01:35:53
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doug I would do i to go Hemsworth, Pratt, Evans. No, I might do Evans over. Does Pratt have a snowpiercer? Evans is such a cutie pie. Well, he's also, man, especially after the materialist, I've been watching a lot of interviews with him and Dakota Johnson.
01:36:09
Speaker
I'm like, yeah man, he just seems like a good hang. ah He's Captain America. Would you have brunch with Pratt? Oh, yeah. I'd have breakfast, lunch, and dinner with Pratt and Hemsworth. I'm doing Hemsworth, Evans, i think that's Pine, Pratt. Oh, Pine. Pine.
01:36:26
Speaker
Chris Pratt's in the conversation, though? He's a crit. One of the Chrises. One of the four Chrises. Okay, but Pine has done Hell or High Water. oh yeah. So he might be above Evans. It might be Hemsworth, Pine, Evans, Pratt.
01:36:42
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Hell or High Water is incredible. Pine has also shown his dick. Dungeons and Dragons, great time. I mean, it's basically doing Guardians the Galaxy, but it's like ah the best version of of redoing that that people have tried. Yeah.
01:36:56
Speaker
possibly public the alleged public beef with harry styles was pretty good it was funny it was very funny el so he might be number two yeah ah him and evans are pretty close for me evans should do a hell or high war i mean he he did he wasn't uh knives out he's good knives out evans Yeah, I feel like there's another Evans that we're really missing. Oh, that Snowpiercer? That's mine. Snowpiercer's very good.
01:37:20
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So Pratt needs to do a Snowpiercer. He needs to be in a Selene Song movie. What else does Pratt need to do? He needs to gain some weight again. Everyone liked him more on Parks and Rec.
01:37:32
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so yeah she thought but He made us all feel good for having dad bods. Yeah, and then then he got buff and was like, what he oh, so now I need to be ashamed. So with Fallen Kingdom, feel like we've kind of covered most of the bases movie because we covered the Indoraptor. It's good T-Rex scene, great animatronic scene when they're trying to get the blood.
01:37:51
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That was a really cool idea. They actually did consult with some type of veterinarian for that to see if that would even be like possible. So that's actually a really cool concept jay biona should have just wrote the movie not trevorrow i agree that it's it's stymied by him having a not good script even though there's gestures to things that are and interesting because i think the idea of some people have said once you open up the door to human clones that like the movies stop being about dinosaurs i'm like no you just add on top of it i didn't mind the human just add more sci-fi things on top of that and that makes sense doesn't it They
Narrative Analysis: Dominion vs. Other Films
01:38:28
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retcon it. well
01:38:29
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They retcon in Dominion. They do. They spend a lot of time being like, trust me, the cloning's different. Every cell in her body was changed. And she gave birth to her physically. like you she was like great like good i don't make sure I don't like that. I like the clone idea better. I was watching Dominion kind of loosely the other day just while I was editing a different podcast. And as I was sitting there, fucking the little girl was like,
01:38:54
Speaker
I'm not even me. I'm not even myself. I'm not even a person. And then I was like, good British accent. selling fuckingin stupid Thank you. yeah i was like, this is, I just like said that out loud to myself. it's so like It's a bad version of a good, I think a clone human clone in these movies could be, if you take clone dinosaurs, you can clone a human. And I think that idea of like they keep referencing James Cromwell, i' like I know Adam Burrow's dead at this point, so you I think you could just cast someone different in a flashback or something to show that rift of like, because he said, which is funny that that was too far for Hammond, that that he cloned his daughter. It's like, Hammond, really? You're playing God here. Here's what would be perfect.
01:39:36
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John Hammond just going and being being like to James Cromwell, being like, going down a path i can't follow and then james cromwell goes like well that'll do a pig and that'll do gregor's there he's like you did that to yourself he just shows up for no reason he's just a lab worker that is it's fucking the brother from succession that's also cromwell yeah he's like the other head he's just every powerful man's brother Well, he's not Hammond's brother. They were like partners, right? Oh, I thought... Sorry, I misheard.
01:40:08
Speaker
Make them brothers. Fine. That adds drama or something. Family tension. He's just always the other guy to every powerful man. Yeah. Well, they're like, he was also here, and they tried to show pictures of him and his daughter at Jurassic Park, like in the lab. I'm like, where were you?
01:40:23
Speaker
I didn't see you there. Yeah, you see the events of the first movie in the background of the photo? They're like... They back to the future to it. He's like sneaking through it. feel like we've covered so much of Dominion and we throughout this podcast. Most of it's been like ways Dominion could have not sucked. Dominion is the one you could talk about the most out of all these. And I feel like we have because we've kept going back to it because it's just like, yeah, like what Doug said, it's a movie like what you could have had. It's like,
01:40:53
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We should just have plenty of the ape style movie with dinosaurs. It's not that hard to do. And there's scenes where makes you think it's going to do a cool, like I, I hadn't actually not seen the extended cut until today. so Wow. I thought you were a fan, Doug.
01:41:07
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The movie flows slightly better, but you're not really missing any key. oh Other than the T-Rex at the drive-in. Yeah. The prologue. should Great opening. That should be the whole movie. It should be shit like that. It should just start there. It should follow someone in the car. The T-Rex shows up, and it just doesn't leave the people in the car the whole movie. And it's just them drex for nine dealing 90 minutes. Why are we dealing with the people saving the world? These movies weren't about saving the world. Right there, that's like five Jurassic Park sequels at like...
01:41:41
Speaker
A $30 million dollars budget minimum? Maybe like $80 million? well that You gross like a billion worldwide all off of all of them if they have a good script? Did you guys see Battle of Big Rock?
01:41:53
Speaker
Yeah, a long time ago. That's what it should have been. That's what the movie should have been. It's like a family camping two dinosaurs playing tug-of-war. Yeah, with the Allosaurus just basically wrecking their camper and everything. like That could have just been the movie.
01:42:07
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A bunch of those scenes. And as much as I was just dragging Pratt in these movies, I would have been into an idea of like, because like when we we we you introduce him in Dominion, he's like basically like a rancher, but for, you know, instead of like cattle or whatever, it's dinosaurs. I'm like, if you did a full Western vibe, like when he's having that showdown with the poachers and shit, I'm like, wait, why isn't this movie a Western? and Like to make... Make it a Western. In Dominion. I hated those poachers. I hated that is so leather but I'm talking about the vibe of if you've like fully embraced it being a Western where people have showdowns and like he's like raining dinosaur cattle and shit and they have showdowns. And like Nick said, this could have been five movies. You could have had a Western.
01:42:54
Speaker
You could have a family avoiding a T-Rex. You could have had an apartment complex trying to not get killed by Pteranodons. You could have had a suburban neighborhood. being just overrun by raptors. Like what's that? Or like a camping set. Like what's that one crappy B movie? That was really good. The Brie.
01:43:10
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don't know if I've seen. What is it? The Brie. The Brie. With the dogs. don't know. The Brie. The Breed or the Bree? um might be how I might be mistaken. Cujo?
01:43:21
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i know Cujo. um Dog movies. A Dog Story? oh um Island of Dogs. Isle of the Dogs? The Wes Anderson film? I'm going to Google it now. Other dog movies.
01:43:38
Speaker
Air Bud. Air Bud. and That's a good one. There's a lot of Air Buds too, so it could be any of them. Beethoven? Beethoven. He's also in a lot of movies. Beethoven, there's a couple of those. yeah What's the one where they're talking and they gotta get back home? The Grey, that's a dog movie. I think it's called The Breed.
01:43:58
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think Michelle Rodriguez was in it. Michelle Rodriguez doesn't do things out of the Fast movies. Don't lie. you should have been Honestly, she should be the lead of Rebirth.
01:44:09
Speaker
Johansson doesn't need the work. right I wanted Johansson. She was free from Marvel ah stuff. so like Why isn't she just doing like Marriage Story? or like um What's the word? She's an alien. when a british She's doing a British movie now, too. That trailer didn't look good. I saw that trailer before.
01:44:27
Speaker
ah the materialists You're thinking of under the skin. Why isn't she doing under the skin shit? Because she already did it. She's like, I don't need to do it. She wants to do a dressing movie. Does she or she just wants the money? I'm fine with it.
01:44:40
Speaker
You got Scott Johnson, Marusha Ali and Jonathan Bailey. That's a good trio. she should be working with yorgos lanthimos yes everyone should be working with yorgos lanthimos i want to see i mean ramsey has worked with that actor wasn't a yorgos he was in um kinds of kindness yeah yeah he was in the fucking the four-way group sex scene yeah that blood come nowhere too Man, that movie's wild. Yeah. love Yorgos. Yorgos, Jurassic Park. didn't Did I text you that, or did you text me that? Or are we just coming to this now? I think we just, our brains are smart, and we just came up with this. We talk about Yorgos a lot. He's a big, he's like a favorite on the podcast. I mean, I love that freak.
01:45:28
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Doug hasn't seen Dog Tooth yet. I'm going to watch it. know. Yeah. not trying to give you a hard time. I want to hear from you guys about Dominion 10 out of 10 did I not make it clear that I love it did i not make you clear that i love it We reference Dominion enough.
01:45:51
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I feel like we haven't, though. I feel like we have two more hours we could go on. Yeah, I feel like we're almost letting Dominion off the hook in terms of like, it may be worse than Rise of Skywalker. Tell Nathan he's going to have to find another ride home because daddy's got business.
01:46:07
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I would actually, I'd prefer watching Dominion over Rise of Skywalker, though. I don't know. They're both. Oh, man, that's such a toss up. At least Dominion has a T-Rex. Dominion has better. Yeah, I'd go Dominion. Dominion doesn't have salad. Rise of Skywalker doesn't have salad fingers. Dominion has more YouTube worthy moments than Rise of Skywalker does. You just watch that scene and then turn it off. You can watch the Malton scene and just watch the guy getting eaten off the bike. Yeah, it's very watch on YouTube and then log on. Well, on YouTube, go to Babu Frick scenes, Rise of Skywalker, and then watch that. There's only reason to see the movie. Yeah, it's a short clip. Yeah.
01:46:44
Speaker
There's only reason to watch the movie. There's like maybe 10 to 15 minutes of good stuff in Dominion if you put it all together. Yeah, yeah if I can't say that about Rise of Skywalker. Rise of Skywalker has more bad ideas in it than Dominion does.
01:47:05
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Maybe that's because I can more easily discard Rise of Skywalker because the lack of good ideas. Dominion is almost more frustrating because it like gestures to things that could be cool. Dominion feels lazy. No.
01:47:18
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Rise of Skywalker felt like they worked really hard to make the movie that they gave you and it was bad in an offensive way. Dominion feels lazy. Like the moment where the Giganotosaurus is there and the team gets together the first time and they're yeah they're standing shot looks awful. They're recreating small bits and pieces from the first movie. It feels like it's taking a shit at my doorstep at this point.
01:47:43
Speaker
But that's what Rise of Skywalker does the whole time. ah You market a movie like the gig is a big bad. Doesn't kill anybody. Roughly the same size as the T-Rex. yeah i i was sure I was like, oh, I guess he looks a little different than the T-Rex. But he there's nothing like to make him stand out. Salad Fingers is a star. You know what his deal is. You're like, he's blind.
01:48:05
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He's got fucking Wolverine claws. Yeah, you're like, what lab did they make that guy in? Why don't why doesn't he have a back? He's like the Kit Fisto. of this series. You're like, yeah, where the fuck did he One plus that we'll give Dominion is that the CGI was better with the exception of blue.
01:48:21
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Blue's CGI was awful. Yeah, blue looks terrible. Rexy's CGI was great. The fact that they kind of made her look more like the original... was good. Rexy should be dead. Shut up.
01:48:33
Speaker
Um... Rexy should... I just don't... He falls down for us a lot. Horses fall down. I think you have to shoot them. That's the thing that I've described with the world movies with the exception of Fallen Kingdom is that they just make the T-Rex be this weak thing that needs help. It's annoying.
01:48:54
Speaker
Like, make the T-Rex great again. Put that on a hat. Hashtag make the T-Rex great again. I mean, least with Rebirth, we're going to get the River Raph scene.
01:49:05
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You know, the T-Rex did better work in Dominion than he did in 65.
01:49:13
Speaker
Is it even a T-Rex? The dinosaurs don't look like real dinosaurs in that movie. Hollywood is bad at casting, and so they're like, it looks like a T-Rex, so we cast it as the thing. It's weird movie. So that movie's in the past, but Adam Driver's a future guy? I think it's a different planet. It's like Oblivion. It's like a planet that Apple created.
01:49:43
Speaker
That's a funny, that is what Oblivion's about. yeah And then Tom Cruise has to go to the Apple store at the end. Melissa Leo's there and she's like, mm-mm.
01:49:55
Speaker
But what I want to do as a Jurassic Park fan, asking you guys. I like Kayla Watts as an idea that Pylan, like I like the idea of a Han Solo character in a Jurassic Park movie, but then she doesn't get anything to do. And her writing kind of sucks at times where she's like,
01:50:10
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I'm going to take that how you meant it and not how it sounded. It's like, what the fuck is that line? I found that one actually funny. I
Future Directions for Jurassic Movies
01:50:17
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did. She's so, I liked her character. her rany I would rather have her than always be doing the, yeah, i saw her and I'm like, she should be in a star Wars.
01:50:27
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yeah Maybe she will be. With her in more movies. Yeah, she she had a a good... pride like like Yeah, the writing for a character was... of a Writing for everyone's weird in Dominion, to say the least.
01:50:37
Speaker
After that awesome Bryce Dallas Howard scene, then we have a scene with her and Chris Pratt where they're inching across the ice and they're both just like, I'm a pretty cool Navy person. and he's Oh, like i was in Air Force. I'm a cool Air Force person.
01:50:51
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One of them should have died in the crash and then she's missing an arm and has to get a robot arm. Yeah, or she should have killed Chris Pratt after the crash just for the sake of the audience. There's no dramatic reason for her to do it. She's just like... us out of our misery. <unk> i'd wait There's three more. they're all going to team up and it's like a thing.
01:51:14
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oh What do you guys think of Rebirth and what do you expect it to be? It looks kind of like Tomb Raider a lot to me. i poster It looks like they're leaning more into the Indiana Jones vibes, but in like a literal way where they're making it more like Indiana Jones. movie and like It doesn't give me hope that it's going to be more horror centric than adventure. Like it seems like they want to make it a fun adventure.
01:51:43
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It seems like they heard a lot of stuff that I didn't like about Jurassic World and they kind of are leaning into it. I saw glimpses of a trailer, though, when I took my mom to see Final Reckoning.
01:51:55
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And the parts that I saw, there were like some horror kind of sequences. There was one where it looked like they were... With the G or D, right whatever the mutant is. The D-Rex. Yeah. Stortis Rex. There was one that looked like they were doing Alien Covenant, kind of, where the one person's trapped on the one side of the wall with the dinosaur. Edwards likes trapping people on a side of a thing. That happens in Godzilla.
01:52:21
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love that. Rogue One. Rogue One it happens in... i don't remember it in either of those movies. Godzilla, it's when Bryan Cranston's wife, yeah, at the beginning. I remember that in the trailer. I've only seen Godzilla in the trailer, or, uh, I've only seen it in theaters, and I've actually been very tempted to re-watch it.
01:52:37
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It's a good one. Let's just do a commentary for that. I would do it. Hell yeah. We don't have to watch King of Monsters. We can watch the King of Monsters trailer. That's a good trailer. If you guys do King of Monsters, i actually like the movie and I remember Nick texted me because he saw it about an hour before I did and that movie is just chaos. and It's a Skull Island.
01:52:54
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It's very Toho. Godzilla. I mean... In a good way, in my opinion. Wait, what do you mean? You don't think Skull Island's chaos? No. it is, but not like it is in King of the Monsters because you don't have like you know, hurricanes flying around this. Shane Wiggum tries to sacrifice himself and then gets like batted away by a lizard into a mountain and explodes. Nothing like that happens in King of Monsters. He was Jim Phelps' son in that movie, right? Jim Phelps Jr. Spoilers for Final Reckoning.
01:53:27
Speaker
Yeah, and then he traveled back from the 60s. Well, i guess the original movies were in the so that's why he was in the 60s, and then he traveled to the present. It's a complicated timeline. Well, Doug, what are your thoughts on Rebirth?
01:53:39
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From the trailers and going into it, what do you expect? I'm... and i'm i'm not super optimistic i don't know it it just doesn't it doesn't look like the stuff i want jurassic park to be which is like a horror franchise like i kind of want these movies to you could keep them pg-13 you can have pg-13 horror movies they exist uh and you can actually get kind of gnarly with them just ask sam raimi and drag me to hell that movie's gross as hell and it's pg-13 uh but ah
01:54:10
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but i Yeah, it really looks like from the marketing that they're pushing it more into like the Indiana Jones like adventure thing when it seems like the... I don't know if that's what people... go Maybe some people go... People go to these movies regardless because there's dinosaurs. There's no other competition. This is the dinosaur franchise. But I just wish they used that like kind of...
01:54:33
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status quo of like, well, people are coming to see this regardless. So let's do something like really fucking weird with it. Like they're not really like their craziest ideas. Okay, there's a mutant thing that's like a rain core mixed with a xenomorph mixed with the this sounds like a kid coming up with like a my Yeah, well, this my dinosaurs like a fucking xenomorph in a rain core and it can beat your dinosaur. like colin travaro write this or something david kepp rips off his mask colin gervaro like fuck we had then ethan we had hybrids now we have mutants so let's see how it plays out and see if it's worth it let's do the clone human thing again but good like let's use some of the bad ideas from from a world of dominion and like like do it but like a good version So just do over domain. Let's all pretend Dominion didn't happen and just do that one over again, because I would be into seeing the legacy characters come back in an interesting way. If so, let's let's just like fresh clean slate.
01:55:38
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Let's do let's try that again. And then Owen dies in the opening. So we don't have to worry about that. So I was talking about this with Kyle and I think a lot of issue with like these sequels is that it's the studio being like, there should be another Jurassic Park movie. And then they start there. They're like, okay, let's starting with, the idea let's start hiring people they're starting with a fucking like date on the calendar and what they need to do is like wait for a guy with like a vision ah director who is going to write their own script with an idea to come to them someone
01:56:19
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you know It could be like the Minari Twisters guy, who I want to say Twisters is like his entryway into like seeing how he does with a big budget and seeing if he can get there. So maybe it's a situation like that, where it's a smaller guy looking for a platform and is like, I they did try that before, and then they got... Trevorrow. Yeah. Well, Spielberg put him in that spot. That felt like the studio was doing it, and Spielberg's like, what about this guy?
01:56:47
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As opposed to him being like, hey, I like Jurassic Park. I have a take. It's maybe the most irresponsible spiel thing Spielberg's done, and I'm counting the kids that died on the John Landis part of Twilight Zone. Oh.
01:57:02
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good
01:57:05
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You gotta count it. Both are criminal like you know malpractice in terms of precautions should have been taken, but also precautions should have been taken in the hiring for did the world movies. like You don't just bring in people off the street.
01:57:20
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They should wait for a guy with a take, somebody to come to them. Let it be a guy with a vision, really. that's a weirdo. It should be a fucking sicko. Someone you could say from the twisted mind I had a guy in mind, Kyle, do you remember who I tossed out when I was thinking about these people? Oh, we were talking about the Dan Trachtenberg. Oh, yeah, Dan Trachtenberg. He would be great. Yeah.
01:57:46
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Hire some, like, I mean, you know, he's a guy like Cloverfield. They hired him to really work on ah script that was already there, and then he kind of built something from the ground up.
01:57:57
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So that's an example. and he revit He's good at turning franchise. Predator is now in a more creatively interesting place than Alien. I never thought that would ever happen. So like, I'm like more excited for the new Predator movie than I am for new Aliens. That's also someone who Kyle pitched was Fede Alvarez too. I don't know if he wrote Alien Romulus, but he wrote Evil Dead. He might not be the best story guy, but if you're going to give Jurassic Park an R rating, hire Fede. If you do R rated and he gets to go Evil Dead in Don't Breathe level nastiness,
01:58:34
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like Alvarez would be a great choice too. The T-Rex has a turkey baster? Yeah. like he just fine i i do like I do like having Gareth Edwards. Obviously he's not working with his own screenplay, but he's a good visual director. He can make something that's already there look pretty.
01:58:52
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like He's good at that. Do you want to give your thoughts on rebirth and the future of Jurassic Park before we wrap up, Kyle? Yeah. um I'm excited for it.
01:59:04
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Excited that David Kep's back because he wrote the first two. And obviously I've probably talked about too much how I love The Lost World and don't see any issues with it, even though there are, but I'm just ignorant.
01:59:16
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mean, that is the most exciting part is Kep. That's like the thing that makes me. Kep and Gareth Edwards. He's had good movies this year. Maybe he has three. What if it's like really, it's kind of more like Presence than a Jurassic Park movie. What if it's in the year of David Kep?
01:59:33
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If this movie does good, they can do more. It's my favorite franchise, so Dominion was very disappointing, so I need this movie to redeem itself for me, because I want the movie to live on. I want the franchise to live on, but...
01:59:49
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i just I don't think it's going to die. just want to get to Dinosaurs, Planet of the Apes style. That's all I'm asking. I think it needs a little bit of a break and then ah new vision. did Did they take enough time between Dominion and this? No, they started writing it during Dominion because Spielberg saw how troubled it was. Spielberg needs to stop. That's not the answer to do another one. like That's so weird. He's crushing stuff, taking kisses out of Twisters. and Yeah, exactly. What's he doing?
02:00:17
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I like that they didn't kiss in Twisters, though. No, the first one's better because it ends with kiss. It's leading up to this relationship, and then they kiss, and then boom, it's over. Okay, we're going to Twisters. don't know what it's going be called, but i mean I just assumed they're going to add another S to it.
02:00:34
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Well, they better kiss in it, or I'm going be upset. I just think they need to take a break from this franchise for a bit. I mean, i don't want them to make the same mistake Star Wars did, because Star Wars, I feel like, took too much of a break between theatrical releases and focused on shows.
02:00:49
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No, the... I don't want it fall into Star Wars. don't know if that was the issue. The issue was what they did in response to the very vocal assholes when The Last Jedi came out.
02:01:04
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the that's and that creatively is an issue now where people like don't just stick to their very i saw james gunn post something about how he took a shot out of superman because people were like ragging on it online i'm like all that stick to your guns man no unintended like and he said it wasn't a finished shot but it's like sure but like once it's finished it probably would have looked better and shut the people up who were making fun of it so like don't change even even if the original thing is bad don't change it because of what a fan said fans should have zero creative control if we are to believe that movies are art fans should have no control it's anti-art to let yeah wrong wrong dressable dominion what do you mean
02:01:50
Speaker
Let a fan write that movie have been way better. But no, get what guys say. believe that. But it's not like fans were like chiming in with good ideas and they shot it down. I'm very excited. No, I think super that has the potential to be, I don't want to overhype it, but it looks like we could reach like Sam Raimi levels of superhero. Yeah.
Closing and Social Media Plugs
02:02:09
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like,
02:02:09
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ah started tearing up because so me kyle and nathan are all going to see superman and i started tearing up watching the trailer the other day because i was like this could be for nathan what like but sam raimi's spider-man was for me it looks magical he is excited i brought it up to him and he got super excited and that gets me excited it looks magical I'm so excited for the Superman. We should cover it um for the podcast. oh I'm seeing it. Yeah.
02:02:39
Speaker
i I think... Well, you guys do a Superman... throw Nathan on it. I would do it. Yeah. you know From the perspective us. Because we never did, ah what were we planning to do with Nathan before? Oh, Sonic. Sonic 3. I still haven't seen Sonic 3. haven't seen any of the Sonics.
02:02:55
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You could probably skip straight to 3. You don't need 1 and 2 to follow what's going on in Shadow. Do we want do a rebirth follow-up? I'd like to do one. I'm going to see it yeah.
02:03:05
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I think we should do a rebirth follow-up and then have Nathan on for Superman. Get the perspective of a seven-year-old. What if this is is the first movie he hates? Superman? We have to teach him what it means to... like, thought all movies were good. we have to teach him what it means to not like a movie.
02:03:22
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He liked Thunderbolts, so I think we're okay. Thunderbolts is a fun movie, though. is. Yeah, why'd you use that as an example of, like, he liked Thunderbolts? did you Do you think a seven-year-old liked Thunderbolts? it What do you think it's too much for? us A smart, emotionally intelligent seven-year-old might. Yeah, I don't know. I give you some enough credit.
02:03:40
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Yeah. Your son's like, wow, I felt that too in the void. That's deep. Nathan was like, the girl with the yellow hair? i'm like, yeah. Florence Pugh. Yelena, he's like, yeah, she's cute.
02:03:53
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He's smart. Okay, he knows what he's talking about. Well, guys, I want to say thank you for having me on. I look forward to our rebirth one. Hopefully... we don't gripe on the movie too much. Hopefully we all come out liking it.
02:04:06
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I mean, I want all movies to be good, but you know, let's, we'll see. You got any plugs Kyle? Yeah. So I don't have any dinosaur plugs. You have dinosaur themed music. Yeah, I do. um A song called Rexy. I do. So I do on zero do a couple of music. I do a couple music projects. I do a breaking Benjamin tribute.
02:04:26
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My original band, Fear and Grace, which Nick is a part of is going to be relaunching in September. um But you can find out everything that I do. Just follow at Kyle Ewers Music on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and actually Letterboxd too.
02:04:41
Speaker
So, ah yeah, the solo instrumental music I do. I got one about aliens, Godzilla. Working on a new one right now. a Jurassic Park, um Ex Machina, Blade Runner 2049. So a lot of heavy metal themed music based around some of my favorite sci-fi movies so you can follow me that's at kyle ewers music hell yeah um well you follow me at dugganaut underscore two on twitter i'm the dugganaut on letterboxd
02:05:12
Speaker
pretty sure that's also my tiktok that i'd ever update is is the dog or not um on youtube uh i'm the doug files and i'm gonna be uploading like just like some random games i've but i've been playing lately it's the steam's uh summer sale so i i kind of want to highlight some of the like Lester talked about indie stuff, but there's there's some interesting stuff out there game-wise. I'm not very good at them, but and maybe you'll enjoy watching me play get freaked out it ah at a video game.
02:05:42
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So yeah, that's check that out. You guys can go check out my other horror or my other podcast. We're a horror podcast called Morbid Curiosities. Right now we're covering the Scream movies. We just did the 28 movies. We've got Terrifier and Chucky up there.
02:05:58
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um Follow me on Letterboxd Nicholas Ewers. You can follow me on TikTok at, my name's Nicholas Ewers Bassist on there. I'm posting clips from These Guys Got Juice and Morbid Curiosities. If you want to just get some of our podcast clips, you can go check that out.
02:06:16
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And I'm Nicholas Ewers. I'm Doug Daemport. And we're These Guys Got Juice. Thanks for joining us, Kyle.