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28 Years Later
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We're mixing it up this week as we join Doug and friends of the pod - Zoe, Chris, Dennet, Elvis (and his bird) - for a special round table discussion on Danny Boyle's 28 Years Later. We talk the 28 Days franchise as a whole, our favorite zombie films, and get into on some random tangents regarding Stephen King adaptations and Westworld. You don't want to miss this chaotic one of a kind (until we do more) episode!
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Introduction and Roundtable Setup
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to very special edition of These Guys Got Juice. ah Doug Davenport. We're gonna do something a little different this week for 28 years later.
00:00:13
Speaker
i invited some friends on to have kind of like a round table discussion, you know, like panel style ah discussion about the film, zombie movies in general.
00:00:27
Speaker
and yeah we're trying something like this out uh let us know what you think there's like a new email for the show that'll be in the show notes or you can just hit me ah show up on socials uh let us know how you like this format i mean you know we're trying it out it's gonna be like a little chaotic maybe people talking over it's like five different people it's maybe a little altman-esque you know if you ever watch that or i guess uncut gems also has dialogue that overlaps but uh hopefully it all pans out a way that's satisfactory and if you want more stuff like that let us know and if you'd like to be on a panel for a future one also hit me or the show up on social media so hope you enjoy thanks
00:01:26
Speaker
is 28 days later.
Focus on '28 Years Later' and Aaron Taylor Johnson's Role
00:01:28
Speaker
or twenty exactly Okay, so so on on that note, let's hear it. Let me just do do a quick intro and then we'll go back to chaos. Am I lying? No, you're not you're not lying. You're not lying. but i want to i want to save i want to save if that first for later. I mean, this is going to not be super structured, but just want to do a quick introduction. So this is this is a special These Guys Got Juice roundtable discussion on 28 Years Later and just zombies in general. With us, we have Chris.
00:02:01
Speaker
ah Hello. Yeah, say hello hello for the fine folks. who we got We got Elvis. Hey. Zoe. Hi. Hi. hey and zoe hi and then dennet and the rest here on they did professor and marianne so dirty it's like she was they did them dirty she was making those pies the professor's the only one doing shit Speaking of things that are hornier than I remember. that She making a lot more That show's pretty horny.
00:02:32
Speaker
It should have hornier, though. They're on an island. like Like, that's... If you're trapped on an island, people are going to be fucking... Speaking of people on island... later. They're on an island.
00:02:43
Speaker
They're on an island. Nice. but that That was fact good, dog. On an island. That was really good. Nice work. Thank you. Thank you. No, I pride myself... ah Actually, yeah, let's start with yeah aaron Aaron Taylor Johnson's character in in this because like I think that I've seen some people just kind of flatten it and say that he's just like straight up like a bad dad. and like I'm not saying he's going win dad of the year, but I think there's a little more nuance. to his character.
00:03:13
Speaker
I think that's fair to say.
Survivalist Parenting and Emotional Complexity
00:03:15
Speaker
Like, he's raising his kid the best he knows, like, the best the best he knows how to based on the, like, Maybe requirements isn't quite the right word, but like, based on the demands, that's the right word.
00:03:29
Speaker
Based on the demands of the world that he's currently living in. And yes, when you're in like a survivalist situation, there is a bit of like, might makes right. ah Kind of like, you know, just toughen up and, you know, get in there kind of thing that has to happen because you have to survive.
00:03:41
Speaker
ah He's not a great dad. Definitely not winning dad of the year. no yeah. And he he immediately regrets when he hit Spike. Like, he that you can tell that was like a knee jerk thing. And he's like, fuck, I didn't, I fucked up.
00:03:54
Speaker
And there is some really sweet stuff with like, he really is trying to like show like as he's as they're across onto the mainland, you know he's like, he's like doing, he's like narrating play like you would narric play with the kids. Okay, now we're gonna do this.
00:04:09
Speaker
You're gonna get your air, you're gonna shoot, you're gonna go for the net. Like he is like dabbing him despite the fact that he took him out like a full three to four years before he probably me should have been out. But that's, you know, what are you gonna do? I mean, he's gotta yell in early.
00:04:20
Speaker
Oh. Yeah. yeah And I think he does love his wife still, even if he is fucking around. like i think I think that's a complicated thing too, because even in the real world with Nod Apocalypse, like to caring for a terminally ill partner, that stuff does happen. Well, men usually just leave.
00:04:38
Speaker
If we want to look at stats, men tend to just leave. Much more often than women do. i don'
00:04:45
Speaker
i don't I don't think he would even have just, like, straight up abandon Jodie Comer. No, probably not. I think he he cares for He probably feels bad that there's nothing he can do for her.
00:04:57
Speaker
And this is spoilers fruit straight from the start. I mean, like, people are watching this have already seen it. Like, if you don't know if you're going to see 28 years later, like, what are you doing Like, you should just see it. ah But...
00:05:09
Speaker
I think because where by the time they get to the the doctor, she basically she's saying like she didn't want to admit to herself that it it was probably cancer. And he probably knows to Aaron Taylor Johnson like he they were both in the you know pre ah rage world. So like they probably heard of cancer before.
00:05:28
Speaker
or or i've it happen to other people or so or something so they're like oh shit is this what it is no one wants to admit it out loud but i mean you know your wife's dying and like that's it's gonna express itself in a lot of weird way i'm not saying he's off the hook for like cheating and fucking around but like that it's not just as straightforward as Spike. You know, Spike has a child, you know, he's 12, so he, like, has a very black and white view of, like, oh. A black and white view. thing yeah you just you just want mom dead so then you can, like, be with this girl. It's like, I don't think that's, I don't see i don't think it's, like, that
Humor and Real-Life Parallels in Isolation
00:06:02
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straightforward. I think he wants to have his cake and eat it, too, which, who doesn't?
00:06:07
Speaker
When I get to have cake, I also like to eat it, so I can't i can't blame him too much.
00:06:12
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But also, as we established, they're on an island. And if you're on an island, you gotta fuck. Especially if you looks like Aaron Taylor Johnson. too have And they're slim pickings, too. well He found a pretty foxy schoolteacher. Like, I mean, he did you know.
00:06:25
Speaker
are the odds? Yeah, he did. What are the odds? Yeah. Well, not high. That's why he went for the study. Well, when you look like him, even though he needs dry shampoo, like, so bad, he's so fucking greasy, still did pretty well.
00:06:39
Speaker
They're in a post-shampoo world. They're in a post-dry shampoo. Honestly, a post-dry shampoo world is not so is not a world that I want to live in. I need Wellbutrin and dry shampoo. It's not going to work otherwise. like Yeah, once the Adderall runs out, I'm going to be in trouble.
00:06:55
Speaker
You're going to be acting like the zombies. I'm going be so unproductive. Dragging my bloated body along the forest floor. eating worms and stuff. just going lay down and be like, I'm i just tired. I'm just going to lay down, dude. That's it.
00:07:08
Speaker
Just face down. I think that's what all of these different, all the all the different types, like my wife, me and I were discussing this last night. We were like, she's like, you know, this feels like some video game nerd wrote this movie because it's got like Very video game beats, right?
00:07:29
Speaker
It's like, oh, hey, here's a tutorial kid. Here's how to hunt. And then the next bit is like, all right, you got your first kill. and This is the fat one. We're going to kill this fat sucker. And you're like, you know, when you go out around all like the different like zombie movies and the zombie games, there are all these different variants and like having having Like, just... I don't understand how they retain water if they're throwing up blood constantly. Like, I don't understand how they bloat.
Zombie Mechanics and Mainland Strategy
00:08:01
Speaker
Like, i I'm thinking way too in-depth about the mechanics of, like, how the fuck did that happen? Because, like, worms can't be that full of protein. How many worms are you eating a day? So many worms, dude. I couldn't believe the worm numbers I'm putting up right now.
00:08:18
Speaker
But, like, how are you that... bloated but you're so you're retaining water from the environment you're just kind of hibernating and like because in the first 28 days later and they don't have the bloated ones then they're they're just like perfectly infected no but they're cardio queens in the first one they're running yeah they are they're booking it but they do They hibernate, or they're nocturnal.
00:08:45
Speaker
most Well, they can be active when they want to, but they take nabs, right, in a church. Right. They kind of just, like, stay in a corner and go into, like, stasis mode or something, basically. Yeah, and they kind of, they kind of like, oh cruise together and as as they're just then like in piles but like yeah just thinking of like all right so how how are they retaining muscle they're still eating because they're eating fish and like different things so there's like anything
00:09:18
Speaker
little variation happening but they become scavengers yeah yeah like i mean they're like different parts of the food chain now i don't know like i think it's cool to see how they've like developed the world and expanded all the different kinds of zombies but i also feel like it's the kind of thing no like this is some hot take either but like just just let it rock like don't get too concerned about like the the hows and the what's like we got some big guys we got some little guys like I think you just have to buy in into certain aspects of the world building. Like, you can ask deeper questions about certain things, but there's also, like, I've seen people raise the question of, like, well, wouldn't they have just, like, bombed the mainland? Like, instead of just having, like, other countries, you know, like, they have patrol boats that will, like, I guess kill people who try and leave. Like, you know, like, if an infected or otherwise is leaving, that's what those patrol boats are there for, right? Like, but...
00:10:10
Speaker
Wouldn't it be easier just like drop a bunch of bombs there and like can' be like, alright. Probably cheaper. Yeah. But, yeah it's like, i'm maybe there is an explanation for why they didn't do that, or maybe they were going to, and then this is just the more humane the more humane options just to abandon people.
00:10:32
Speaker
I feel like there's probably is some humanitarian concern because they know people are still alive. knows what also happened in Paris? maybe My idea was that, I don't know, i think France would be that stupid. They'd be like, you know what, let's just leave a buffer zone. Maybe that was easier for them to
Appreciation for '28 Weeks Later' and Sequel Challenges
00:10:46
Speaker
bomb Paris that the oil says. you know Maybe there was like no one there. Who knows? you know um Yeah, because we That's something I heard. and so like It kind of feels like the opening text is kind of yada yada-ing like, yeah, we took care of that. Don't worry. It's just in the mainland now. Like, it didn't go any further than that.
00:11:06
Speaker
Which I'm yeah fine with them, like, establishing, like, that and kind of ignoring 28 Weeks. I mean, I don't hate 28 Weeks later. It's all right. Oh, no, no. I'm going to tell you this. Hold I got to tell you this. I fucking love 28 Weeks don't go that far.
00:11:21
Speaker
i yeah I'm not that far. That's okay. No, no, no. That's a sequel that did not deserve to be that good. I wouldn't call it that good. It was better than it needed to be. and and i and And I liked it more than I thought I was going to.
00:11:32
Speaker
Yeah. Well, yeah, like, you know, not to get into spoilers, but first of all, the first, well, the first one, I'm sorry, the opening of 28 Weeks Later is one of the scariest openings. It's really good. Of like any horror film. Yeah, like it's like that's the bar too high, though, because the rest of the movie isn't as good as the opening.
00:11:52
Speaker
It's just generic. Yeah, and that I can under understand. a flat line. quite late But later on, and also like I said, i'm I'm sorry for being vague, but there's a death later on in the fucking film that hit me hard. Like I went, oh no, fuck, not like that, dude. Yeah. Like, and I'm sorry, but when a horror movie does that to me, when I go, oh dude, no, like that.
00:12:15
Speaker
i go you got me you got me i'm i'm ah invested in this for for me my emotional investment in weeks kind of went out the window is because as soon as the dad turns it it becomes just kind of like a regular zombie thing exactly but no more emotional tethering that's what the emotional tether to the movie and then like there's no resolute no developing of that i wouldn't care i mean there's the idea of like even though he's infected he's still like he's like tracking his kids kind of like instinctually. Right, there's like some retaining of humanity of knowing, you know, who your kids
00:12:50
Speaker
Yeah, and that's always the question, isn't it? How human are you still after you turn? And years addresses that pretty head on, like not just alphas, but this whole idea of mothers, infected mothers giving birth.
00:13:03
Speaker
like Like that scene was nuts. That was insane. i was like, oh, we're doing this. I mean, the zombie babies have been like... Dawn of the Dead has a zombie birth, and I already forgot Army of the Dead, but isn't there like a baby zombie thing in that, in the Zack Snyder thing? She's pregnant. the queen is The queen zombie is pregnant.
00:13:23
Speaker
Right. and our Army of the Dead does not exist in this dojo. It's what's boring, but it's all right. just Another movie that has a fun opening and then peters out. about But way worse than... They had to save that for the cartoon that never got made.
00:13:40
Speaker
Right, yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, because that's what we do now. every content All movies do now is set things up for the next ones that never get made. I think in this one, a zi sad world it has like a sequel to acts at the end, but it otherwise feels like a full movie. It's like really just an end thing of like, where the fuck are we going now with this? Which that that was that was exciting. but I want to circle back to the the zombie birth for a second because like I think.
00:14:10
Speaker
one that seems insane, but like it's cool that they show the mother is like not... It's it's almost like just instinctual, like this this birth is the priority now, this is what's gonna happen, like she's not trying to kill anyone or anything.
00:14:25
Speaker
I'm curious, if they hadn't shot her, would she have tried to eat the baby or is that also an instinctual, kind of like animal programming of like, well that's my young, I need to protect it at all costs?
Zombie Births and Instinctual Family Dynamics
00:14:36
Speaker
like right there's the children they see wow sorry yeah they're coming children they see later on you know with the pig zombies i call them pigs they're pigs you know they're like raising that's right i i got you so um so like they're definitely like family units because that little pig child was with the other pigs right so like i feel like yeah i know them i don't think that I think shooting them nine times out of ten maybe know they attack I think that most zombie children probably get infected because the mother tries to cycle because the planta protects them how they get infected I think they try to breastfeed and that's what they're exposed to like right and I it's not and like that they just get it by yeah they they just ingest
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that's cool characterization of like this instinctual, because of like it's emphasized later that Ray finds that they're more similar to us than not. It's like we are we are also animals that follow our biological programming.
00:15:35
Speaker
and right and we so we see a mother protecting her, yeah like the whole thing at the church when Spike is sleeping, and then like she takes the bag and like smashes its its head, and then she doesn't even remember like really doing that, but I feel like that's supposed to kind of parallel, like this is just like an instinctual thing that just is like... It's it's purely animal. Like watching that, I thought that...
00:15:59
Speaker
Like, I didn't cry. Not that that the last act wasn't, like, just devastating. That didn't make me cry. and the birth scene almost made me cry. i like, honestly hitting me on... she reaches her hands hands out, like, oh my god. That was almost game over. It was, like, hitting me on the, like...
00:16:17
Speaker
It sounds corny, but that like divine feminine level, I was like, women are so fucking powerful and strong and amazing. it was like getting me all choked up, like as like like, like, like, as a capital W woman, it was making me like, but yeah, the handholding thing, the intense like eye contact and how nothing else matters in the world besides getting the baby out.
00:16:36
Speaker
and like And even Jodie Comer in all of the you know ah like brain tumor. And also like before they reveal that she has cancer, and then board before the nosebleed start, I thought it might just have been like a really bad PTSD situation. But whatever, that's an aside.
00:16:51
Speaker
And there is that to me. But like immediately that like directive to help her give birth cuts through everything else in that moment. Even her son being like, mom, what are you like why are you getting closer? to the zombie right now. And then she just sticks her hand right in there and goes, it's right now we're gonna get this baby out. Period. We're getting to work. We're making it happen.
00:17:13
Speaker
Just brings it out. Pulls out. What is it? What is it she uses to cut the embellion? It's a zip tie. She ties it with a zip tie and then has Spike cut it. Where's she got zip tie?
00:17:24
Speaker
from i i weird as a more lemon Actually, Chris, all women carry zip ties in case we come across a surprise. All right, bob you win a surprise um you win Bobby. I pretty much leak Bobby pins at this point. but like we we got We got something.
00:17:38
Speaker
We got something right here.
00:17:43
Speaker
So this army laughs. Craven the Hunter's asking his boy Spike, he's like, do you have your water bottle? you have your this? you have your that? And Jodie Comer's like, you have your bobby pin? Do you have your zip ties? Do you have your lip balm? Eyelash glue.
00:18:00
Speaker
I have that clue. You're gonna need it.
00:18:04
Speaker
Can you imagine? I just want that version where like Spike's just like he's like you look little dry zombie and then he just puts little lip in it. 28 years later, girls night out.
00:18:17
Speaker
That's what want. Girls night out. I they can go in any direction with it. Let's get that spin off. Especially with the Teletubby group of Power Rangers. Yeah, they go to the club, the bone temple. Please. The Bone Temple is actually the rave.
00:18:30
Speaker
That's what it is. People think it's, yeah, that's what it is. They're raging at the rave. Yes. From the brave to the rave. Period. yeah that's That's the neon sign that flickers right outside.
00:18:45
Speaker
That's the subtitle. It's like the fifth of the living dead. Yeah. They're not checking IDs, but they are checking your eyes. That's the official title for that. Like the fifth one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:57
Speaker
You hear the rage, bro? when i thought Or the fourth
Potential Sequels and Cultural Context
00:19:00
Speaker
one? It was one of those two. They were like both filmed in Russia or something. One of but but willing those two. Yeah, at the at like the same time. I've been seeing that one. I love the return of the living day. I love this sequel that we just workshopped together. I'm so on board with have no money to back it, but really love it.
00:19:16
Speaker
i no money to back it but i really love it this is how i imagine just get a camera and a mic you're good that's all you honestly in the spirit of 28 days later like which i was just watching like you know that movie was filmed on like killian murphy on a gameboy color camera you know and it looks amazing
00:19:36
Speaker
it It does. do Like, I'm telling you, 28 Days Later is a better Resident Evil movie than a Resident Evil movie. Can I tell you what? So this is a sidebar. we'll get back to 28 days and years and weeks.
00:19:47
Speaker
But ah there is a show called Gani Ball. It's a Japanese horror show. It's on Hulu. It's the most Resident Evil show ever. Zombies? And yes.
00:20:01
Speaker
Well...
00:20:03
Speaker
There's a thing. There's a thing in there that kind of is a zombie, but like they, in season two, they do a little bit more revealing, but it's a small town, middle of the boonies, Japan. There's a family. They're crazy. And the police have been trying to see if they're like trying to prove that they're cannibals.
00:20:23
Speaker
And so one police officer who's bit of a reckless guy, he gets sent there and then we find his backstory. But like this show slaps super hard. How do you spell that?
00:20:38
Speaker
It's like Hannibal with a G. I just looked it up. Correct. okay. Yeah. um But highly recommend it. i but That has the most Resident Evil energy. It feels like you're watching Resident Evil game, not about Americans, but actually like Japanese. And you're like, oh Oh, and so it's actually biohazard.
00:20:58
Speaker
Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead Resident Evil. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it's it's really good. Anyways, so the Teletubbies at the end of this film. Oh, my God. bill jimmy he's So he's, ah he referred to them as the Jimmies.
00:21:15
Speaker
I had heard of ah Jimmy Saville. Is that how you say his name? The famous UK non-bear? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that fucking piece of shit. I i knew of it of his infamy, but i didn't actually know what he looked like. So like when I looked it up, i was like, oh, so there that that's like directly a reference to to him. and Well, because it makes sense because considering the virus came out, but well, let's say like in 2002, so nobody would have known about his atrocities.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah. You know, by the time it happened. So, yeah, they idolized the guy like, yeah, he helped kid. Yeah. Oh, some other stuff. Yeah. I mean, if you're canceled, all you have to do is a wait for an up for the zombie apocalypse. Then all your past misdeeds will be forgotten.
00:22:05
Speaker
it's It's that simple. I just love how crazy the like visual turn. I mean, the movie is already doing like a lot of flourishes and unique things visually, but like the way they're shooting the jimmies of them when they're doing all their flips.
00:22:20
Speaker
It reminded me of the parkour gang that shows up for no reason in Punisher Warzone. that there's just like some parkour gangsters that are affiliated with the mob. The guy that parkour. Yeah, they just like jump on this group. Yeah, the guy that parkour in the middle of the building and got fucking obliterated by a rocket launcher. He uses that heat-seeking missile to blow one of them up.
00:22:43
Speaker
Yeah, yeah for no reason your war zone fucking rips by the way Yeah, good just randomly shooting people in the head. I P Ray Stevenson gone too soon Oh, yeah, it's like a pure Frank Castle depiction because he is literally just a killing machine of like how what's the fastest way to kill these guys like without me and he's all good and Yeah, the aesthetic of it, yeah like looks like a greenhouse movie. Why doesn't everything look that good?
00:23:13
Speaker
like Because people are like... I mean, that's what I thought watching this
Visuals and Tone Shifts in '28 Years Later'
00:23:17
Speaker
movie of years. of like Especially when they're when they're running back on the causeway and you see the Oroi Borealis. I'm like, this is fantastic. It's great.
00:23:28
Speaker
big yeah I love that we're leaning into the dreamlike nature, because like it Days is grounded in the sense of like you could see it be like, yes, this is how this would play out. i And it's not like um but um I don't see the logic of that progression here in years, but they are also leaning into like, it feels like a nightmare in certain parts, like those like like red night vision shots too. And I think some of those are meant to be like...
00:23:54
Speaker
like not literal because at first they're like showing like oh this is like what happened before they came through there but then that's also like at night when he's dreaming like he's seeing his mom and in the i took it as like this is what like is being imagined in the moments of quiet or sleep this is like the the fear like gnawing at the back of your mind like this is what's out there waiting for us yeah Yeah.
00:24:17
Speaker
Maybe that's why i felt like it was pretty like choppy. Like my wife and I came out and with the same kind of thoughts. We were just like, but this movie went like so many different directions tonally and visually like that yeah I didn't understand.
00:24:32
Speaker
I understood the through line, right? Like, which is a testament, I guess, to like its choppy visual nature. or and like the ideas that they're trying to explore like the tone of the movie obviously it's like it's this weird coming of age story at the same time like he's growing up fast there's the interaction when when he when spike confronts aaron taylor johnson craven the hunter and when he takes out the knife yeah and he and then craven hunter's like john wicks the knife out of his hand and he's like
00:25:04
Speaker
yeah let look this sucks for both of us right now. And then he just punches a wall. And he, and, and, but like then the transition throughout the whole movie of just like, he's like was movie weird, weird,
00:25:17
Speaker
Doctor, doctors can help mom. You know what? Fuck this shit. And then distracts with one trust exercise.
00:25:29
Speaker
He's like, hey, there's a fire over there. but You should get off the wall. ever There's no no other guards. There's no other guards. There's no one on patrol. This dude's like...
00:25:40
Speaker
I mean, can't you help? You're younger. I'm old. I'm watching the sea harbor. My legs are not great. Get your fresh joints over there. Get your fresh knee cartilage over there to help me out. What am I doing? Didn't you have bacon this morning? Like, i didn't have bacon this morning. Jesus.
00:25:56
Speaker
And then, and, and, and yeah, har like, And then it becomes this like, okay, it's now the wilderness. Now it's just mom and son adventure. And then you meet the mad doctor who's actually, love, I want to, I want a gif of the scene where like Aaron Taylor Johnson's telling Spike. All right.
00:26:17
Speaker
There's that fire and there's a crazy doctor we rolled upon this ridge. And then Ralph Fiennes just gives him a wave. Just gives him a wave. And then it cuts back to Aaron Taylor Johnson just freaking the fuck out. Meanwhile, like Ralph Fiennes is like the nicest dude in the land.
00:26:33
Speaker
He has like mojitos and like a boombox outside. He's just chilling. Like he's actually the coolest guy ever. I love this character. He's a gracious host. A very gracious host. i I think that character is like one of my favorite um characters I've seen
Compassionate Character Approaches in Chaos
00:26:49
Speaker
in a hot minute. i just i love I love the idea of him. I love the execution of him. ah All of it. He's giving his career best work.
00:26:58
Speaker
I think so too. ah But are are we to understand his character? Because like he's so much about the compassion for you know the dead and like infecting and humans alike.
00:27:08
Speaker
So does he not kill infected? Because like he seems Yeah, it's complete do no harm like he still is the doctor mentality of like I'm not killing anyone like the hippocratic oh go it doesn't end just because the world does right took an oath can risk but i mean seems really risky and harder to survive but i respect it sure He's got iodine. guess iodine helps. Dude, i i I love that he's just like, yeah, iodine every day. Every day. But also, he's an installation artist.
00:27:49
Speaker
Like, those boneyard installation pieces. i know as a kid, he went fucking crazy on Legos. Dude. Like that was like- There's even built in like poles for like when when a child needs to climb it in a car a cathartic moment of like accepting his mother's death.
00:28:06
Speaker
Like it's like- I was like wow yeah i thought Spike was gonna fall every time. I'm like- He's tripping balls. He's tripping balls and he's just had to deal with his the doctor be of him before i work mom It's morphine and something else. Just just a little something to take the edge off of your mother's imminent death and cremation.
00:28:25
Speaker
Just a little something. Dude. Yeah. Yeah, you'll be fine. Yeah. You're fine. Because if you hadn't sedated him, probably would have tried to fight the doctor. That's a drop in the bucket of all the other trauma. It's like, that's, yeah. yeah you know ah You know, they should have gotten full scarred. She's like, you think you're the only one that's lost a mother? Yeah.
00:28:44
Speaker
and I lost a mother before I was born. you know, or some shit like that. They should have gone full Scottish and had Shrek in it. Mike Myers. Yeah, Mike Myers. like god Thank God Mike Myers wasn't in this movie. and So what do we think of Spike? No, he's too busy.
00:29:00
Speaker
He's too busy working for the CIA. Yeah, I guess so. He is for real? that Yeah, he's the one who sold Diddy out. I don't know if I knew I don't know.
00:29:14
Speaker
I'm not making this up, dude. Look. That's crazy. The world has gone crazy, but I'm not making that up. Like, even I went, what? Wow. Austin Powers was working for the CIA this whole time. He's an international man of mystery. For real. Truly. In fact. That's crazy.
00:29:31
Speaker
Facts. Fuck. What were you saying? Oh, I was going to say, so what do we make? Spike deciding at the end of like, okay, I'll drop the baby off, but I'm not ready to go back home. Is that just like, like, I need to find myself or like, what we think that is? think a part going up is realizing your dad doesn't know shit.
00:29:50
Speaker
like and you got to figure a lot of things out. I just thought they did that for sequels. Well, no, if feel I feel like you know, we were talking before, like when especially Chris talking about the the weird kind of tonal shifts the movie takes. This movie is basically, and they even mentioned they took inspiration from several notable ones, like it's like really British family drama. Like, like, like I'm watching Billy Elliot. Well, it's like sometimes zombies in it, you know, like that's the whole, the whole part where like they're in the hallway and gets his dad hits him and they do the whole knife thing that felt like it's a pure, like this could be like, like um something out of like some sort of 80 kind of like working class kind of like character drama about like coming of age. Like that's,
00:30:28
Speaker
I wouldn't call that like said the next. afternoon special. and And then suddenly becomes a, it's only becomes like coming in story. No, it's coming in story the entire thing through. Like that is the plot in this movie. You could get rid of the zombies and stuff in the apocalypse and it's still like that is that story from the end. You know, he goes out on his own.
00:30:43
Speaker
Now, you know, I like it because like it shows, ah you know, the whole thematic kind of connection of like how... how old are you when you can grow up? Like, at what point do circumstances force you to grow up?
00:30:55
Speaker
You know, have Jimmy the beginning, and then you have him getting pushed out of the nest, like, in the beginning, Spike himself getting pushed out of the nest, like, immediately, at the beginning of this one. And then, like, that plays into the whole sort Jimmy stuff, Jimmy Savile stuff, you know, where, like, he's using Teletubbies, he's got Power Rangers shit going on. It's like, Like, you're still a kid at heart. Like, you're still susceptible to all these other things, you know, even if you think you're growing up. But no, you're still... Well, and also when you have something so, like, horrific happen at such a young age, there is a part of you, and this varies from person to person.
00:31:31
Speaker
yeah exactly. Like, depending on... you know, your personal threshold and the particular horror you've experienced, there is a part of you that just psychologically, cognitively does stay frozen at a certain point
Masculinity Commentary and Human Traits in Zombies
00:31:43
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in time. And in a perfect world, be you know, we can um go to therapy and have relationships that mend those parts of us. But when you're stuck and you're stuck in the UK in the middle of a zombie apocalypse without access to such things, sometimes you've got to get matching tracksuits and just parkour it out.
00:31:59
Speaker
I mean, think about it. Like like like um like Jamie and Isla, right? They would have been like 12, 13 when the apocalypse happened. You know? Yeah. Right. They would Spike Sage. And maybe that's why Jamie, Maritilla Johnson's character, is so definite. Like, he's got to do it now. Because maybe that was his age when that happened, when his parents... Right. He needs to figure this out the same age I did.
00:32:23
Speaker
Yeah. Again, it's British working class shit, you know? I love it. And I think it's really interesting of, like, this just different ah views of what it means come age or to become man. Because, like, for Aaron Taylor Johnson, it's, like, defined by... what you can kill or like your ability to survive and and like, cause like i I was so struck by, I mean of course it's so memorable in the trailer with that Boots poem, but like the way they deployed it here was so great too, we're cutting to like old footage of like warfare in ah other movies, like I feel like it's kind of just like zooming out and looking at like, yeah
00:32:59
Speaker
all of history we defined like manhood and like maturity by like our ability to kill like that's like have what we ah say of like that's your man now but like then contrast that with the end when he meets the doctor and the doctor's like saying like not only just remember that we all die like remember to love like like maybe loving is like what makes you a man not work i move don't shoot eat Yeah, because, I mean, that's what that whole kind of like, I guess the first act, smell but like, is. It's a commentary on masculine. i mean, because i know that there's still people, you know, men in particular, it's like, yeah, likes you take your son out to hunt, you know, and that makes you a man, oh but you know.
00:33:44
Speaker
But in reality, it's almost like, But what does make you a man is you can arguably say what Spike does with his mother but to help her, to save her. That's being a man to go into danger to ins ensure even if he gets killed, doesn't matter. It's like I have to know what's happening to my mother.
00:34:06
Speaker
but And he finds out the and I think again in a true sense of masculinity that He processes it, accepts it, and then the closure to me was putting her skull at the top.
00:34:24
Speaker
And that to me is indicative, that represents the whole relationship. Your mom, I mean, for any of us, hopefully for any of us, we could say that that's where we would put our mom.
00:34:35
Speaker
Well, I mean, mom is yeah our first image of That's our first understanding of what God is. That's literally life that that brings us into the world, that nurtures us.
00:34:47
Speaker
And i yeah I feel like as far as the commentary on masculinity goes, like the idea of strength being this core tenant has gotten perverted into like dominance and aggression. when, Janet, what you were saying, I think it really is. It's showing up and being strong and being great brave, even when you're terrified and venturing into the unknown to be a system of support and to, like, you they but you yeah, being a pillar of strength for those in there in their time of need versus just exerting one's control over the natural environment. I feel like that's what true masculinity actually is, is, like, yes, and making supporting our loved ones. Yeah.
00:35:27
Speaker
Exactly. they Yeah, making decisions from a place of love instead of fear or anger. Because like that's right. Even though they they show how similar we are to the infected, they don't really possess that capability beyond the instinctual like care for the young or like repopulate kind of right like animal stuff. like Like, yeah, that's what makes us not just animals that we can, you know, guide us. We can think about our decisions from a meta standpoint and we can act from there.
00:35:57
Speaker
Right. Yeah. But wait, but also are the, but are the infected banging though? Well, it's been 28 years. Yeah, they have to be, right? That alpha was chasing them like that was his baby. So, but like, was it she got infected as she was already pregnant or did that alpha knock her up? Like they had zombie sex.
00:36:19
Speaker
I don't think they made him that hung if he wasn't fucking. and that's why they we made they made sure we saw that dick sorry everyone that's oh no no no we we are I already experienced my inadequacies watching that movie um yeah um but yeah Sorry, now I'm realizing, oh yeah, the alpha was being like a dad. Kind of like the dad in 28 weeks. Also a question that I had like after, like yes, obviously he's still pursuing them because they're human meat to eat, but like is he following the scent of his fucking baby? Does he know that they have his baby? That's what it felt like. That's where I was thinking is he's like, no, me my kid.
00:37:02
Speaker
and right he's going to eat it he's only maybe me my kid i'm hungry can bring you back to like mar l la he's fat yeah he's flat bo yeah end the movie you know when he like you you kind of Like see initially wanting go out probably because they stopped him from going out because of the rules But once he gets like confirmation that spike is still alive. He is fucking books it He starts running he starts screaming to like the gate to the harbor like he starts paddling into like the the sunken Causeway like you know, so that's that's like connection there like yeah, you know that's that again that final instinct like that is
00:37:40
Speaker
That's like my family. That's like possessiveness. Like you want to get out there and like, it can maybe come from an angry place. Maybe it comes from like a, a heartful place, who knows? But like, that's that same kind of drive. Like just keep going after it.
00:37:52
Speaker
It's a baked in directive. That's my kid. Like, yeah. So what do we think is going to happen with that baby? Is it just going to be a normal baby or is it going to be like, you know, I have a theory. I think it's going to be an asshole. I think it's going to grow up to be an asshole. But like clearly, you know, the very first movie ended again 28 days later. And then there's a time skip at the end for 28 days later. think it's going happen again at the end of the third movie. It's going to time skip 28 years later.
00:38:18
Speaker
And they show that baby growing up.
00:38:21
Speaker
yeah i think we will just rules over them all and i wonder like go ahead no no i was just gonna say i was worried when they were reading spike's note of like it came from an effect i was like just maybe leave that part out if you want the baby to not get killed because like you don't know that they won't have the same knee-jerk reaction as eric and everybody needs to know
00:38:43
Speaker
it's a fucking infected baby Yeah. No, but... yeah, I wonder, like, just from... Presumably won't kill it. You know, for how human... For human babies grow, it's okay, it's based on like the mother's like nutritional intake and like the neurochemical transmission going on as she is so in the gestational period. like what does it What does it do to it to a regular human baby's brain chemistry and like ah prenatal development if mom is eating humans and like worms and like small fish sh from from a dirty-ass river?
00:39:18
Speaker
And like how does being a zombie change your like cortisol levels to give a baby like more or less of like a nervous disposition? I'm getting too crazy. I don't know, I'm just thinking about it. I'm not saying it matters. I'm not saying it matters. I'm just saying I'm just curious.
00:39:34
Speaker
and How does that, and I don't know, I have a psych degree, I'm thinking about these things, forgive me, forgive me, I'm waxing. No, no, no, I mean, it was my that was my, I want to know that too, right? Like, and that's a much, like, obviously we have, like, the military doing their patrols, and rap and they could have, like, firebombed the whole place, like,
00:39:55
Speaker
Yeah. Done it before. You could do it again. Right. They don't know the population density. They're just like, fuck it. Right. And so, but like, they'll be dumb enough to send random, like Swedish twinks to, to go check out like what's going down in the French to roll.
00:40:15
Speaker
well well the so the swedes weren't there wasn't their boat like it it cap night like they they capy snap Like they weren't supposed to go to the main I think that the whole point is they just put a roll around size boat were they on that it caps up like why would you have a big get a bigger boat like but yeah yeah out there on a dingy you know it's like friend when you dingy like why the lie though is that the don no ra No rats. Not a life vest in sight.
00:40:40
Speaker
I don't- Yeah. It's not up to OSHA standards. I'm not feeling it. No, because you gotta be men. Yeah, and that- Yeah, and the- A real man does not take precautions. Yeah, and it's- And that's about masculinity. That's the moral the story. Yeah. Yeah, on the high seas.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah. No ibuprofen, no life vest. Suck it up, rub some dirt in it, get over it.
Cultural Differences and Sequel Development
00:40:59
Speaker
I loved when he showed Spike the picture of his girlfriend and Spike's like, what's wrong her? And she's what's wrong with Yeah.
00:41:05
Speaker
I knew someone who who who swelled up and they were allergic to fish. It kind of looks like that. He's like, no, she's beautiful. Shut up. Yeah, that was really funny. the And just that he has no concept of the internet, anything, like, that's that's, I think, a really fascinating aspect of, like, yeah, the rest of the world is just going on.
00:41:23
Speaker
Normal. Just normal rest of the world. We're also buried in our phones. Yeah. Can you imagine them just, like, any of these characters? Can you imagine any of these characters trying to rehabilitated? It'll be like Jurassic Park. Whatever the recent ones. I want there to be a fish out of water comedy at the end. Maybe that's what the third one is. Spike gets to quote unquote the real world and he's like, whoa, computers, what's going on? want to see Spike eat a Doritos Locos taco.
00:41:56
Speaker
That's what I want to see. Yeah. And then the insuring restroom. Yeah, exactly. and at This is a Barnes and Noble? What is this?
00:42:10
Speaker
Books? ah craig What is a book? A criterion sale? What? yeah Yeah, that's what he's like here here my guy watch us solo 120 days of Sodom. He's like, oh, I lived that that'll that'll make you grow up.
00:42:25
Speaker
Oh, Slingy was born. Yeah, ao be i'll be nothing for i be I've seen worse. Yeah, I've seen worse. du I've eaten feces man. Trust me. It's not what it's cracked up to be.
00:42:37
Speaker
and and I am interested, like, what will this be? Oh, that movie's disgusting. be Because, like, it and they were filmed pretty close together. Like, I know Boyle is coming back to do the third one, but Nia DaCosta is doing the second.
00:42:50
Speaker
And it's not just a director. Wait, there are already... Okay, sorry, sorry. Hold on. ah yeah Hold on. Yeah. How many sequels... This is going to be a trilogy. This is a new trilogy.
00:43:01
Speaker
It's a new trilogy. This is literally the first that I'm hearing about. 28-year trilogy. The next one's coming out in like that six or seven months. Like January. We don't have to wait long. January. Okay.
00:43:11
Speaker
In January. Oh, i don' okay. And it's called... They're doing a Wicked. And it's called the Bone Temple. No, I want them to do Wicked. The Bone Temple is a great club name, though. It is. It It is. That one. All right.
00:43:25
Speaker
All right. we yeah we can if we can If we can make the Bone Temple the club, but like that that gets my buy-in. Yeah, and Ralph Fiennes is making all the installation art. Like, what does the disco bone a bone-based, like, turntable. And you know what, though?
00:43:43
Speaker
No, but you know what? Skull disco ball? Come on, that shit would pop off. I know. No, here's the thing. You need to bring back Killian Murphy to stand in front of the Bone Temple like Cheech Marinan from Dusk Till Dawn.
00:43:57
Speaker
You know, we got white pussy, black pussy. Like the Oppenheimer. List off just female genitalia. Perfect. I'm like, you know what? I smell second Oscar. And wait and it be with the UK's rich history of electronic music.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see if, like, what... Because I trust that they won't do, like, the eye-rolling legacy sequel thing of, like, whatever... I mean, i because Jim will be coming. i think they have confirmed Killian will be involved to some extent. He'll be in live in the second one and they say like the third one and he's like gonna have a problem.
00:44:39
Speaker
I didn't even know this was happening. I'm still like processing all this information. That's like the third time I've heard that. but like yeah says It was announced as 28 years later, 1-2-3. Maybe I just blocked it out because I'm tired of everything being sequeled.
00:44:53
Speaker
No, I had the same concern too of like, just make one good movie and focus on that. I don't mind there being three because it's been 28 years, you know? like They skip months, so you got to have something to talk about.
00:45:04
Speaker
and And there's at least continuity of even if there's like a director handoff in the middle, like Alex Garland's writing all of them, I think, yeah right? like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I trust I mean, i never turned I never gave up on on Garland. It's like, sure. I didn't love Med. I mean, there's one really good performance. Like I was playing everyone but is like, that's a very, oh I never saw that performance. ah and I haven't seen it and I haven't seen Civil War, but I also just re-upped in Garland stock because I just watched Annihilation for the first time last month. i Oh, I haven't either. immediately watch it again the next day and I think about it every single day.
00:45:45
Speaker
ah It's so good. It's like the golden standard of cosmic horror. It is so fucking good. I cannot sing its praises enough. two favorite Garland...
00:45:58
Speaker
like this i gotta Like, it alone makes sense that he's going to be doing i don't think I don't think there needs to be an Elden Ring movie. But if he's going to do if anyone's going to make a souls like game into a movie, I think Alex Garland could do it because Annihilation has that same vibe of like you're just exploring this weird environment. And like, that's kind of telling you the story instead of just like a regular linear progression of of plot.
00:46:25
Speaker
Well, Oh, was that was that coming from you, Chris? Oh, yeah. He's fine. He's got it. He's got it. He's good. He's got it. No, no, he's good. He's good. No, but I'm still... I could never turn Alex Garland because of Dread. Dread's just that good. I keep forgetting about... I keep forgetting... Dread is so important to me. Well, he wrote it and basically ghost-directed it. Because I feel like everyone once said... I prefer to slide.
00:46:52
Speaker
ah The director was AWOL, so he just kind of directed it. great well and it shows because the movie's good dread fucking rips we need we need 10 more you know what oh yeah it's and i was so lucky to see that shit in 3d i i i kick myself every time i did not see that like 79 000 times on tv but i've never seen i i've never seen on the big screen i would be i would be levitating out of my seat
00:47:24
Speaker
yeah Oh, dude, if it's ever playing on fucking screen anywhere, I'll go fuck with you. I'm like number one dread evangelist in my circle.
Love for Films and Filmmakers
00:47:31
Speaker
I'm always talking about dread too much. That's one of my biggest goals this summer. like i I don't know if I mentioned this to you, Zoe, but I think I want to do something of like covering all their Alex Garland stuff. this is basically like my backdoor way of getting Nick to watch ah ah Dread, because he's never seen it. So like, we got a fake. That lucky bastard. Whenever you guys watch it, I want to watch it with you guys, f please.
00:47:59
Speaker
I'm inviting myself you guys watching Dread.
00:48:03
Speaker
Hell yeah. You know what, dude? it's you even You guys even got me thinking of just how earned this moment was when he's- oak when Dred's over the loudspeaker and he's like, Mama's not the law. I am the law. And I remember sitting there going, yeah he is.
00:48:17
Speaker
And y'all gonna fucking die. And that's on toxic masculinity. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's the crazy thing. It's so toxic. Well, that that's the beauty of that movie is that it gives you the, like, fuck yeah, he's he's a badass action hero. But then it does have the, like, moments lingering of, like, where you see the apartment complexes shredded by the machine gun. There's just dead, like, people there. It's like, yeah, this is, like, not good overall. Like,
00:48:46
Speaker
And also, like, Mama's like a horrible criminal, but she's also a product of her environment. Like, that's like, maybe this world just... Also, I gotta give credit to Dredd.
00:48:58
Speaker
The one thing I gotta give credit to Dredd that the character was that he was very protective of his partner. yeah yeah he he He backed her up and, you know, he gave her a... I mean, it'd be funny if at the end he said she was no good of like, how how was the rookie on the evaluations? I she sucked.
00:49:13
Speaker
She fucking beasted. Yeah, because rules are rules, apparently. She wasn't wearing a helmet. Yeah. yeah shouldn Well, the hell, wasn't it like her psychic abilities would be blocked? And also would have obscured her super cute blonde wig. yeah She looks so cute with that hair. Also bad. Come on. Yeah, I know.
00:49:35
Speaker
Yeah. God. No, and also, you know what? sorry. I got to mention the other Alex Garland film that actually made me a big fan of, well, it's The Minted. More of, I was a big fan of his. Beach? No. Oh, God. Fuck.
00:49:48
Speaker
I've never seen the beach ever. i It sucks ass, dude. I gotta watch it. I don't know. I've seen the clip of... No, don't watch it. Where Leo's like running around and there's like a video game like ah basically like... Yeah, that's the only good part of the movie. a ball as No, no. the ball and no the one The one I was going to bring up was Ex Machina.
00:50:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Fucking love Ex Machina. Ex Machina.
00:50:13
Speaker
Oh, so good. So good. So good. So good. That's such a, like a Frankenstein's monster kind of thing. didn't even, just I thought that at the time, but now it's like, that's crazy. Oscar Isaac is going to be playing Frankenstein.
00:50:29
Speaker
he already did the sci-fi version of that. I mean, that's cool. Yeah. It all comes back around. oh this time you got Nothing new on God's green earth. Mm-mm. Oh, yeah, especially Wars. I mean, so some of the best movies are Frankenstein adaptations. Robocop, you know, like, you know, that's a Frankenstein and a Jesus movie. Robocop is a, is a, don't, I've had like one, I've had one alcoholic seltzer. Don't start about Robocop because I'll just, I'll just, fuck I'll just fucking go. Just don't, don't even talk about it right now for for y'all's, for y'all's benefit, please.
00:51:00
Speaker
I need to go back to playing the Robocop game that just came out. It's really good. yeah and for my ro shirt game fine It's very fun. And in ah Peter Weller, is he came for it. like it's It's actually him. so i he I love him. Have you guys seen Leviathan?
00:51:16
Speaker
Peter Weller low-key sexy? What do you mean low-key? I believe he's sexy. I've seen those pictures of him and Carrie Fisher. Hold on. right yeah I'm sorry. I'm just marveling right now at the fact that I've met somebody that has not only seen but has heard of the movie Leviathan.
00:51:35
Speaker
Yeah. like I am. anger what that is not a movie that gets brought up in water underwater horror always works for me have you seen deep star six i have not oo who didn't love virus that's fantastic virus haven't seen it with jamie lee this virus is amazing it's my fucking great body horror on there it's amazingly bad what are talking about jimmy lee curtis donald sutherland this one Yes.
00:52:07
Speaker
Where they're DC trawlers, they're scavengers, they go down to like a downed sub or downed boat or something, and there's like a virus named baldwin that's that's taking all their skin, making robot Frankenstein monsters. I hate when that happens. The ocean is already scary, so if you add like sci-fi horror stuff on top of going underwater, I'm like, oh my god, this is terrifying.
00:52:30
Speaker
No, Leviathan fucks, and Peter Weller is hot. That's where Cthulhu lives is in the ocean! Ernie Hudson is also hot. Oh, yeah, he's he's been hot, like, and is currently hot. He's, like, in his 80s, and he's, like, jacked.
00:52:44
Speaker
He's aged, like, 45 minutes since 1980. It's insane. like like That's the only reason to have another Ghostbusters, is just to have him, like, ah stand next to the other guys who are, like, old, crusty men, and he's just like, yeah, what's up, Ernie Hudson?
00:52:59
Speaker
Have you all seen Congo in those? Congo is funny a masterpiece. But Ernie Hudson has a trans has a transatlantic accent. Oh yeah, he plays a British guy in that. And he's really fucking hot.
00:53:13
Speaker
And there's a monkey smoking a cigarette drinking a martini. so that's that's That's proof that not all Crichton's ideas were here. No, those are some of Crichton's best ideas. What are you talking about? a new movie.
00:53:26
Speaker
Timeline needs a new movie. You know what? I don't need Jurassic Park 7. I need Congo 2. Period. Can we start doing Jurassic Park? Like, let's let's not.
00:53:37
Speaker
like if Are we done? can look at Scarlett. I can Google Scarlett Johansson's cleavage on my own time. Let's just make different fucking actual new shit with it. Like, go full bananas with the concept because, like, don't just do the same movie. Or just, like, stop. No, yeah, ive obviously, or stop, but I'm saying if you must continue it, like, this new one's called Rebirth.
00:53:58
Speaker
Have someone, Scarlett Johansson should give birth to a dinosaur baby. Of what? Like, good no, man, the locus. And it's the entire concept of the franchise not Rebirth in and of itself. Yeah.
00:54:08
Speaker
This is, we already tread this ground. Well, Yeah, look, you know what? When I saw Dominion, which what felt like an eternity in that theater, i realized because of the show Westworld what Jurassic Park should have been. with oh I agree, but the movies no because it's up to movie Westworld masterpiece and the show Westworld. Turn the at a tiny bit
00:54:44
Speaker
hole in line and in tba drive park the movie less but no know ah westfield show because this is for okay if they yeah you know the way show i mean what amazing we're gonna turn the volume at a tiny bit Sorry to put on my teacher voice. We're to go a little bit down on the volume. We can keep talking. Let's do it. Keep talking. Keep fighting. It's okay. Keep fighting.
00:55:03
Speaker
um Trust me. do I know. get it. They don't do it. It's insane. They skip over to Westworld stuff for like broke-off bullshit. what Well, no, it's just because what Westworld was supposed to be about, and this is what Jurassic and best World should have been about.
00:55:18
Speaker
Oh, Westworld was directed by Michael Crichton. Yes, it's a masterpiece. That's cool. No, no. Okay, okay. I guess what I'm saying is that what Jurassic World should have been about is about our extinction.
00:55:30
Speaker
because that's I like that. I'll go with you on that. and youre but Because that's what, to me, the show Westworld was about. It was about our extinction. And the robots or whatever taking over. By the end, you have robots putting humans in like a park. there should be Jurassic Park should have intelligent dinosaurs putting like Jeff Goldblum clones in a park.
00:55:49
Speaker
like said that that plan a there's no yeah they should do planning a dinosaur oh we really have planned the apes you got it but the thing is is that they don't have the i don't give a shit about the dinosaurs compared to those apes man yeah no they won't do it they're just going to do a shittier version of the birds are sounding off the birds know The birds who are dinosaurs, as we all know. how poetic would the Jurassic Park series be if we brought about our own extinction by bringing back extinct creatures?
00:56:22
Speaker
We brought back extinct creatures single letters they brought about our extinction. And there's f nice dinosaur doctors. Jeff Goldblum in a cage and they're roaring a cow for It transitions into dinosaurs, the show.
00:56:37
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oh i That's what it should have been. so the and then it just the dinosaurs the musical and like how dinosaur ends with like the asteroid like killing everyone like that's the trajectory it's just like a loop like history just repeats itself uh uh was 80s 90s jeff goldman in a cage sign me up baby let's do like he's just going why not I like that he's just there to be sexy. Each time it cuts back, he has one more button unbuttoned on his shoulder. Like a scary movie for hat gag. Just like the shirt gets sluttier sluttier each time. I have to recommend a movie for you guys. Please do.
00:57:19
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Since we're on a Jeff Goldblum kick, watch the movie Earth Girls Are These. I need to see that. Okay. I've heard of it. Jim Carrey's best role. Yes. okay jim carrey's jeff it's jeff goldblube jim carrey and damon waynes are aliens and they come to earth i love damon wayne they're party guys whoa yeah they're party guys this looks fun you know it's a fun it's a fun flick it's a fun flick we love gina davis Oh. Yeah. Okay, love that. Oh, speaking of her, she was great in the Exorcist show, which I had such low expectations, like, because, like, a lot of Exorcists. There was an Exorcist show? Wait, she was in that? Yeah. Yeah. Hold on, she was in that? Two seasons on Fox, and it was, like, filmed in Chicago. It's set in Chicago. People need to go outside.
00:58:05
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um Go outside and take a walk. It had to be better. It had to be better than the fucking last movie. The movies are in a rut now. I mean, we'll see what Mike Flanagan does with it all. What if we just stopped making them?
00:58:19
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What if we just like watch them and then close the bucket and like wrote a new fucking movie to make? I am so angry that Mike Flanagan is making that. The Life Chuck makes me wary about more Flanagan movies. Let's be honest. He's lost all of his... I didn't see Chuck yet. I'm sorry, what did you say, Elvis? Hold on. The Life of Chuck has me... I've sold my Flanagan stock after Life of Chuck. That bad. Wow, just one and done for you. It's one of the best movies ever.
00:58:47
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No, it's been declining returns, okay? I've been tracking it, okay? No. Okay, so, um, Doctor Sleep, masterpiece, okay? Masterpiece, Haunting of Hill House, masterpiece.
00:58:58
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Haunting of Blythe Mather, eeeeh, inconsistent. Midnight Mass, bullshit. Bullshit. no my bull shit not interest bullshit No, I'm sorry. Rindindy Mass has great moments, but I realized, wait, those are just moments I like from Salem's Lot.
00:59:17
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You know? So, fuck my planning for that. Except the priest is sexy. This is an angel. please see yeah so so boring i' and they're all idiots it's i hate it okay religious people are idiots i'm a castle i know midnight the midnight club masterpiece okay okay okay because know what you're gonna throw it a show here that's one of the doest one you i fucking see what are you say so
00:59:48
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it's like a there a fun troback to like to likeology style this is great is okay because you know what you're going to throw it I'm sorry, but you know what? New Mutants was better than Midnight Club. Yes, I said it. You know what, Elvis? meet me at the 7-Eleven party. That's funny to say to me, someone who likes New Mutants. That's funny to say to me, someone who likes New Mutants.
01:00:12
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The girls are fighting. say yeah I said it was better. That's how bad Midnight Club was. I like it. So i what? Am I supposed to not agree with you about something I like?
01:00:24
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I haven't seen Life of Chuck, though. Life of Chuck, I think, is one of the best films of the year. It has some great moments, but it is a beautiful movie. It is such a disastrous adaptation. i Yeah, I won't be going in with the baggage of the original story, because I... I feel like... i do not know what um It shouts the original story at you. That's the thing. It's not even a movie. like an audiobook with visuals.
01:00:45
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And that's why I hate about it like it's like watching it. It's like I could just be reading the the book and it probably be a less like dull experience based on the poster just here like a somegras to little storygraph numbers him dancing and life that best part because you feel like actually yeah like like itmi there's a dance number let make a musical in life of cha musical because it a adult talk and so i need to see it i want i want to see him dancing Yes, please see it. Yeah, no, it's great. Those great. Those parts are fantastic. The rest of it's like this is constructed as like a piece. What's the ratio of song and dance number to to audiobook, would you say, Elvis? I would say like 70-30.
01:01:24
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It's mostly song and dance number? No, no, it's mostly audio. I said the, you know, it's like, I i feel like, an already seventy okay yeah you know, The adaptation, the Brian Cox scene in adaptation where he's talking about like how, how, like how not to use narration. Like my mind is was like going through it and that entire
Narration and Unexpected Twists in Cinema
01:01:46
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time I was watching it. Like if you got rid of the narration of the, in that movie, the movie goes up like two points for me.
01:01:51
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Like honestly, like just get rid of it. I do hate some unnecessary narration. It is unnecessary, dog. Just show No, but I love the narration. i i love I love the narration in the movie because it's so unexpected. It's kind of quirky and weird. You know did it better? And even I kind of went, what the?
01:02:10
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you know the Yes, it is. oh who Because I'm getting something different. Stranger than fiction, the Will Ferrell movie did it better. I like that movie. see Stranger in a Fiction? it's like like It's like a bad version of that.
01:02:20
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That's Will Ferrell's best performance. The best thing to do would be, like what if someone took Magnolia and Stranger in a Fiction, combined them, and then took all the good stuff?
01:02:31
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And then that's Life of Chuck. i mean It could be other dog shit and I'm still not turning on Flanagan for like, if you do Dr. Sleep, you get a lifetime pass from me. So I mean, I thought so, but like, I've seen the trend. yeah I'm seeing the trend. Like this is not going to end well. yeah yeah On the subject of people turning, I've been seeing a lot of Danny Boyle revisionism in the face of this new movie, people going yesterday, blah, blah, blah, which I haven't seen because I don't want to see yeah ah movie that looks bad. But on the topic of Danny Boyle, were there any more 28 years later topics we wanted to cover before we get totally... Thank you for your time. I do have one more... Closing remarks. Let's go. Let's hear a baby.
01:03:12
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ah Camera's back on. Okay. Yes. because that People are moving around. But anyway, the trailer is amazing. I think we would all agree that's an amazing trailer. One of trailers. But also, it's a really bad trailer for this movie.
01:03:25
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Okay, I'm gonna say that. It's a really, like, the movie is a coming-of-age family drama, and that's not what the trailer sells at all. feel like it took me a while to, like, get acclimated. Like, the movie felt, like, really weird to me to be really settle into, because, like, I wasn't expecting this at all from the trailer. Which movie? So we're clear. The year.
01:03:40
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28 years later. Okay. The trailer is like amazing. It's an amazing trailer. watch it like all the time because it's like this is a great, amazing, emotional trailer. It's like crack. Yeah. And then like the movie is nothing like that. So I i was really kind of out of it for like the last, like the first 30 minutes of this movie. like Like, this is like, this is weird. And like, my God is that. This is like a UK working class family drama. really like, kind of like, you know young kid billy elliott style kess style barry heinz but would leading with that have been the right move i don't feel probably not like probably i like that it's a sneak i like it i can understand why people are like you when they do that i can understand why people are put off to because they're expecting one thing and this is like 180. you know you know what i'm going to the theater
01:04:27
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I don't give a fuck about those people. I think worthy audience members will get their butts in the seats and you'll either catch up on the fly or you'll go, I don't like it. And whatever, whatever it will be. I just feel like it's just great. It won't.
01:04:43
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it does create a dissonance i thought on rewatches you'll be better you know but i mean like you think it's like it's really you know it kind of hits you in the head you know just it does being surprised is so rare nowadays especially in like any kind of studio movie like that i welcome that feeling regardless how you get it a huge part of what i loved about the movie is that i didn't expect so much of it so It was not what I didn't even know what to expect. i was like, I definitely didn't think it was going to be this. And that is, I love that feeling of just like, I don't know where this is going.
01:05:15
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So I, want I, I, more movies should lie in their trailer.
01:05:22
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Yeah, one of the things I said to Dennett in our text exchange for this was like, because I didn't know that Dennett had seen it the other day. And and so i was like, giving my first impressions of it.
01:05:36
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and And I was like, I feel like this movie was not I like I didn't I don't know if I had expectations given i literally watched the first one with my wife, like maybe an hour before we went to go see 28 days. Oh, that was the first time watch? Well, I had seen it. My wife had.
01:06:02
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And so I just like sat down because like, I was like, you want to talk about it and i was like, yeah, sure. Cool. But Mia, have you ever seen this? And she's like, no. And so we just put it on whatever. And so like the response was like, good for you. then The.
01:06:16
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I think she would have been fine without it, but like definitely she was like, this is a massive kind of tone shift in why yeah what I probably and other people probably would have expected.
01:06:28
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Because the first one, even though it has like, yeah like I don't want to say they're totally different tonally in terms of like messaging, because throughout the first one,
01:06:43
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It is from the jump that like we lean with compassion, even in the face of like how scary shit is to Cillian Murphy and and just um what is the actress's name? um Naomi Harris.
01:07:03
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Yeah, Naomi Harris. Yeah. And she's like, she's like, fuck this shit. yeah And then she over the time is like, you're, you know, through hanging out with Brendan Gleeson and his daughter, like there is compassion.
01:07:17
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Well, then they meet the military and it's fucking awful and they're assholes. And so she's like, no, fuck this shit. But then they, you know, managed to survive that encounter. hmm. And they do end the movie with hello, right? Like, it starts with hello, ends with hello, and there is, like, it's the this this tug of war between, like, being compassionate and just being awful.
01:07:44
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and losing your humanity ah to to ah a civilization that has just crumbled and and people aren't civil and it's the Wild West now. And so it's everybody for themselves unless you have an established community and and community is hard to build. it's It's hard for people to agree upon anything. Rules get made and you're like, I might not agree with that fully, but it holds the community together until this you know when when 28 years happens like this is the the it's the norm but it's also like you still have the same tones being pitched which is like there's a community
Hope and Love in Hopeless Worlds
01:08:28
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okay but there's also a zambie community you know there's there's clearly this alpha who has
01:08:37
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coward to like say go get that thing or you know that person and they're kids there's there's a bird there's a birth the coming of age story where he's like the community lied to me about this doctor who wasn't crazy i mean he could have right in any other zombie movie that doctor would have been like freaking house of a thousand corpses doctor that's what that was still refreshing about it is that he's like actually no super gentle and like the nicest guy come down here actually what i what i was like what yeah what i was expecting was uh like colonel kurtz from fucking yeah apocalypse now yes you know like he's just deranged out of his mind and it turns out nah dude he's really cool guy dude
01:09:21
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He probably gets to a beer. Yeah. Right? Yeah, right I don't know. There's just something about that kind of message of like, even in like a hopeless world, the choosing to like choosing love, choosing hope. Like I was just rewatching Furiosa and like that's that and Fury Road connect with me on such an emotional level. Because like that's also about, so like if Furiosa doubles down on that theme of like choosing because it's like,
01:09:46
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Dementis is basically just like nihilism personified of like, well, this is what the world is, and why wouldn't I be this way, you know? And then it's like, well, you don't have to, though. Like, you could you could choose to be better.
Desire for Theater Experiences and Nostalgia
01:10:00
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Yeah.
01:10:00
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If you're great, because because they think that, right, Dementis is turned into like a memorial of like love, and that's kind of like the what the Doctor does with the bones, the Bone Temple. you think take this whole thing you turn to memorial of like what people have gone through and so i love that in furiosa where she becomes like the pink street where she and uh purgatorian is like like they'll hang out and make out i love ne so yeah but it's great all right yeah praetorian jack man i want to go see fury road and furiosa in theaters again
01:10:34
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They fucked up by not re- Why didn't they re-release Fury Road? Why the fuck wouldn't you put Fury- that I would put Fury Road back to the theaters every single month if it were up to me. and Like, that movie, that's a fucking- that's a movie for the big screen right there. You think is smart?
01:10:50
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It's an epic. They just rebranded to rebrand. I was just like, do you guys not want to make money? They paid assload of money to the McKenzie consultants. just to go, right, what do you think we should do? We're consuming another company.
01:11:04
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you think they're You think they're good with their money? You think they're smart? No. No. People don't do double features. They literally- like People don't. I feel like this is such a huge- Dennett and I, and Doug and I have talked about this a number of times, just like movie theater structures,
01:11:23
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need to change. Like, they need to change. Like, Dennett and I probably go more often to, like, the New Beverly, ah like, old theaters where they're actually showing, like, here's a movie that has been out for the longest time, but it's on...
01:11:40
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It's on film and it's like a pre-scheduled structure and like it's there if you want it, you can come get it. But like modern movie theaters are just like, what's new? What's new? And not about thinking about- And it's there for two weeks.
01:11:55
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And not thinking about like what that structure might look like for you financially if you do like obviously you have licensing and you need distribution and blah blah blah blah blah right but like like you could do both though like like i feel like you could have trying to do something new yeah
01:12:13
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but they're not interested well because they're idiots. And just to give you an idea, and just to give you an idea, the first movie that I took Chris to the New Beverly to see, or the first two movies, were
Personal Connections and Double Features
01:12:26
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The Abominable Dr. Fibes and The House That Wild. Great flicks.
01:12:30
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I've never seen either of those, but that sounds awful. Especially The Abominable Dr. Fibes. What part of L.A. are y'all ah i'm I'm north of Los Angeles ah in in Van Nuys.
01:12:43
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and i'm in the inland empire i'm like 70 miles away where in the inland empire l.a uh realtor i can bleep you don't want to doxed i could have been an asshole i i didn't ask because i'm born and raised in clundale i'm from l l.a so i just i got curious not oh yeah no yeah oh no no No, it got to the it gets to the point where if I go, oh I'm from Rialto.
01:13:11
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We're in California. And I'm just, no one you know what, dude, I live in L.A. Yeah, I live in L.A. Right. this yes This sounds like a foreign language to me. I'm like, oh, I know in my empire because of David Lynch. I'm like, oh, that's that's that's from the movie. Yeah, as soon as soon as I heard as soon as i heard the the the the new Beverly name dropped, I was like, wait, I live in L.A. But as ah as a matter of fact, that's where David Lynch.
01:13:32
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got the fucking name because Laura Dern's husband was from the Endland Empire and he's like oh that sounds crazy it's a godless place it is no it I live here it is there's there's nothing here no you look relaxed though despite it all Yeah, you're flourishing. Yeah, I try.
01:13:55
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Yeah. Yeah. if you Reclining despite it all. If you guys have not seen The Abominable Dr. Fibes, the words that came out of her mouth after the the film was done, i was like, this is an ah awesome Dr. Doom movie.
01:14:11
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like okay price i've been it is like vincent price 100 five months actually right here is it don't know fried rags had like a vincent price to you for both my mom and my dad who have been divorced for 20 years will like spontaneously bring up the abominable dr fives within about a month of each other every month it it happens it's like clockwork it's good i say it so i still haven't seen it it's it's but like it's definitely been in like the family lexicon i just have not not made a happy it happen it is never having to say you're ugly that's pretty good please say that say that again love love is never having to say you're ugly that's true oh then no one's ever no words wise words wise words
01:14:58
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so ah words wise words wise words
01:15:04
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No, and also you gotta check out the sequel, Dr. Fives Rides Again. and are you Are you being serious? That's the name of the sequel? and that Yeah, Dr. Fives Rides Again. That's fucking crazy. Okay, let's do it.
01:15:15
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Right? But that's what I'm talking about. Like, do those kind of double features. Like, honestly, I would, like, love it if I could, you know, take my friends to go see a double feature of, what you know what, of the original Star Wars and then Spaceballs.
01:15:34
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Right after. should be- something like that. The original print too, like without all the Lucas additions, like, because I- No, no. want that? You want the extra rock for R2 to hide behind? That makes a difference?
01:15:47
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uh you want clunky just whatever makes it easier guess what just what makes it easier you want mcclunky you don't want mcclunky i think that's so funny that before he handed it over to dizzy he's like i got one more thing i gotta add here yeah he's had that extra i got it right under right the barrel i've been sitting on this idea yeah like i've but i've already fucked with this scene and this iconic scene what if what if we green don say it just says like mcclunky They just had the digital file that they didn't even know he touched it. They just put it Disney Plus and everyone figured it out. yeah
01:16:20
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Insane. In my head, know that's like a slur. He just called her like Han Solo like the N-word or something. For R2B, he's got a dirty ass mouth. They bleeped out all of his dialogue.
01:16:34
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I'll take you know that he's he's throwing ethnic slurs like i i mean you know seven on set R2 like you just like doing drugs all that makes me like it more Speaking of doing drugs the the but speaking of doing drugs apparently yeah the i don't if you guys have ever seen the live action popeye movie i need to that watch you my it it it is fantastic
01:17:08
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oh they said that that movie was the most cocaine fueled well i got see this in the history of homily.
Hollywood History and Creative Influences
01:17:15
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It's a wonderful movie. The songs are great. The sets are great. The performances are great. It's like Speed Racer. I've never seen Speed Racer. Oh, gotta fix that.
01:17:30
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Yeah. They're a feature of Popeye and Speed Racer. They just they go for it. Okay, but that's what I'm talking about. And everybody does cocaine right before we watch it. So we understand.
01:17:41
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We have to be method watchers. And then we talk the entire fucking movie. i him my teeth who just like no um When I say that Popeye was so fueled by cocaine, apparently they used to smuggle the cocaine in the film cans. that's great. Goddamn, like, because they're trying to become cartoons.
01:18:01
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That's Hollywood, baby. That's Hollywood. not doing enough coke now. Is that why movies suck is a Correct. and That's why music sucks. We need silk shirt R&B and we need cocaine back.
01:18:12
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that's would do We would do a lot better. For music, need heroin. They need to do Lou Reed amounts of heroin. and i think everybody's already too demotivated we need uppers yeah we need um person i'm just saying what's works in the past for music is like that's that's how that's why we have the blues and jazz so but like we need we need that yeah well we certainly have the socioeconomic circumstances to invoke the blues Yeah, that's true. But it's a it it's yeah unfortunately a dead genre.
01:18:45
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Like the only people bringing it back are literally like Ludwig from the Sinners soundtrack and whoever he collaborated with. In a post-Sinner's world. That's a bold statement in a post-Sinner's world. What if that just turns things around? There's a lot of momentum behind it. My mom, who hasn't been to the theaters in like a decade and is like batshit insane for slide guitar, was listening to the Sinners soundtrack just of her own.
01:19:14
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a chord like some like it's it's for sure resonating with people and ah yeah it's not i mean that's speaking of ah another movie that was like not at all what i expected going into it based on the trailer yeah this has been a great year for like studio horror films that like are really weird or like to just like do like such unique things that you would not expect them to go in that direction like and the moral the story is more vampires and more pussy eating They put pussy eating 28 years later.
Realism and Humor in Zombie Films
01:19:44
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It's a pussy eating summer. I'm declaring it. I'm declaring I'm declaring it. I'm declaring it. I'm declaring it. I'm declaring it. I've been saying I'm going to keep saying it. And they showed Dong in it. i like i care I care if a movie yeah does it equality the right way.
01:19:58
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like yeah You're right and you should say it. It's just realistic. Their clothes are degraded. They're not going clothes shopping to cover their their bits. It's been 28 years. They're infected. they're infected They don't need that shit. I want to see one guy with a like ah like ah Levi's that haven't that haven' been worn. Just like ah there is a working class. genius to work yeah Just a working class zombie. We come full circle back to the California Gold Rush denim boom. It's it's great. yeah It'll be great. Yeah. yeah That's what the sequel should get into. Yeah.
01:20:31
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it's The gold rush. Yeah. No, there's Gene. Gene brings
01:20:38
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zombies. Like slutty Daisy Dukes, too. question zomb Yeah, zombies. The alpha is just in yeah big Daisy Dukes. Like the ass cheeks hanging out and everything. Let's go. Let's do it. Yeah, like straight out of sleepaway camp. I still need to see sleepaway camp.
01:20:57
Speaker
Add that to the list. I've never seen Sleepaway Camp. I haven't seen it either. It's okay, Doug. How you not seen it? You're going to have to believe it. Except for all your stuff about it. You know what? How about this?
01:21:09
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Let's all go on the Discord and hit our cameras on. We'll just wrap this up early. I it. I'm not You know I love Camp?
01:21:21
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What about all this? Is that the no no no own being so the main girl bully? No, i no, no. what not great i' i mean How you going to say? Let us speak. The main girl bully in that was originally cast as like a young, preteen Jane Krakowski, right? and then she But her mother was like, no, we're not going to be in a horror movie, right? So she got you had to be recast. But when you watch the movie, like you cannot tell me that young Jane Krakowski wouldn't have been better in that role because that girl is like doing like a Jane Krakowski impersonation, the mean... the mean yeah she is like oh man jake kakoski is like 13 years old been so good in this role i love it would have been it's all i mentioned you know i agree with that she's the ultimate mean girl in my opinion young jenna would have so good in in like in sleep boy camp that would have been a funny joke on third rock if she was in there no no but in it but in but in sleep boy camp i mean those there's the camp counselors these guys that are wearing uh let's just say shorts that put these things men used to show midriff in this country
01:22:19
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Yeah, they do all the time. same You're going to love Sleepaway Camp. That's going to probably be your new character. It's Midriff. Men need to get slutty again. Let's put that out there. Women need to get meaner and everyone needs to get sluttier.
01:22:32
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Correct. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the world's going end anyway, dude. I know that, but thank you. Let's go out with a bang. Literally. Or multiple bangs. And on that note. you know yeah know does anyone anyone have any others On that note, years of that I have one but it's a really stupid one. i supposed to it No Let's hear it. So and know I'm halfway through the movie, right? When the son, Spike and his mom go on their quest. Like halfway through the it starts talking about her dad. I'm like, you know, in a different world, it would be so easy to go like full like legacy sequel slop filled and have her be the adult version of the teenage girl from the first one.
01:23:13
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He's talking about her dad. Like, you know what? It'd be so easy to just kind supplant that. Hannah and Brendan Gleeson. Like, that would be so easy just to plug her character into that role. And have it be Brendan Gleeson. You're and i'm so glad I didn't do that. That gives me hope of how they're going to deploy Jim. Or if Sheila's going to be back, too. I don't know if they've confirmed that. But, like, the the it won't be in, like...
01:23:35
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Oh, let's just be lazy and make them have a direct connection to these characters or like someone's related to someone else like because that's always so lazy. Yeah. My theory Bone Temple is going be an anthology. That's my theory. That's my crack out theory for the Bone Temple. That's probably a better direction to go in. Like, i like obviously I want to see more of Spike's journey, but like we could also hop around. I think Danny would want to keep that to himself.
01:24:00
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I think Boyle would probably want to do- finish that off himself. I'm going back the third one, because that's when we're gonna actually pick up, I think. I think the second one- He said the Jimmy's will be in, uh, Bone Temple. Like, they're gonna kinda take over that movie, so, like, but, uh- I think set up.
01:24:16
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Fucking- That's why called Bone Temple be the stories of all these dead people. I mean, that would be- that'd be cool, but I think it's also gonna be- because he said, like, the Jimmy's will dominate, uh, the- the next one, so I wanna- yeah.
01:24:28
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Very interested to see where we're going with those lads. I think Jimmy's have some major Halloween costume potential. That was the first thing I thought when I saw them. I was like, tracksuit, shank, wand shank, game over. That's so easy.
01:24:43
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so easy ah
01:24:46
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right i can't wait to see it i have to dip but it's been awesome talking to y'all elvis nice meeting you zoe nice be nice we'll talk more later and the rest of you will talk more later have a good one y'all yes yes bye see you chris okay Okay, I don't i don't want to keep you guys too much longer, but ah if you guys had time to just you want to ah do some general zombies talk, like because like I think it's interesting to take- Yeah, I was going to ask what everybody's- Rankings I would be interested to hear what everybody's favorite-
01:25:20
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zombie movies are still in the honeymoon phase of years it's like i was so in love with it it's immediately in my top five like zombie thing like so i there's a bit of depth because i have days at number number one but then years is pretty much like right up there uh train to busan i have at number two shawn of the dead i haven't seen it when you got but that okay maybe we're doing that i
01:25:49
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Uh, okay, yeah, that's my my top three is is super
Favorite Zombie Movies and Emotional Impact
01:25:53
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easy. It's 28 Days Later, Train to Busan, and then Day of the Dead. and i'm i'm I'm basic like that, but Train to Busan is, you mentioned at the beginning of our recording, like, you appreciate when a horror movie ah can like, scare you, but also hurt your feelings.
01:26:09
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Train to Busan will do that. And it is, it is it's like, so I mean, it wouldn't exist without 28 Days Later. like that's like the progenitor of the very fast, of the very fast zombie, at least as far in like our generation.
01:26:25
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ah But, oh my God, there's just, some of these sequences are just absolutely fucking electric. Yeah. ah Gong, you look so sexy. He's a bad dad.
01:26:35
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and and Another bad dad. He got bad dads in zombie movies. Yeah. He's still hot doing it. But it is just, it's it is insane. Like, it's like peak action horror for me. and And one of the, but yeah, like top two zombie movie ever.
01:26:50
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It just must be seen. It's so fucking good. yeah okay we're gonna have to watch that all right and then also i have i have wreck in in there because i wonder i kept wanting wreck is haven't seen wreck oh my god all of them are great i guess i've only seen the first two i haven't seen three or four three or four three is like three three goes like evil dead direction okay it's so good because like Okay. You were saying earlier, Dennett, that 20 Days is the best Resident Evil movie. I was getting major Resident Evil vibes from Wreck, especially by the end when they find that room. Wreck 2. Yes. It feels like, because there's backtracking, they have to find a key to get to a place. And then once you unlock a thing, there's an exposition room with things to read that tell you about the origins of the shit. So I'm like, yeah, this is Resident Evil. And it goes, like, it is zombies, but it goes in a direction with it where I'm like, oh, this is, like, a very unique spin on it. So I definitely can hardly recommend both. And it's so funny when they remade it and they took out that unique spin on it. Like, why would you be? I haven't seen Quarantine yet, they took that out.
01:28:02
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i so I haven't seen quarantine either. My roommate like sings its praises. Yeah. No, no, no. If you saw Wreck, you saw quarantine. Except for this thing at the very end that makes it like a unique zombie. Except for that one thing.
01:28:18
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but Exactly. Yeah. All right. So, you but for me, though, um because I was thinking about it right now, um my top three zombie movies And it's always fluctuating, but these are the top three.
01:28:35
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is ah Number one is the original Night of the Living Dead. It's hard to talk. I mean, that that yeah it it's still stands up. Because i was I still remember when I first saw it on TV and I had just learned about symbolism and metaphors and all that stuff.
01:28:54
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And that ending hit me way too hard. Yeah. Like, it's one of the darkest endings that, like, I've ever seen next to the mist. But um that one messed me up.
01:29:05
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ah Number two, I would probably say Shaun of the Dead. Okay, that's going my number four. Yeah. fucking love Shaun of the Dead. yeah Yeah, because Shaun of the Dead. So many good ones, though.
01:29:17
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i I was laughing my ass off. Until you're not. then And then when you cry. to the Yeah, until the very end. When when when he when her his mom goes, my God. That's yeah that's and i went sad. That's very sad, yes. so That's so sad. That's when I did my I thought you meant i in Ed with Ed. Like, thank God Ed's dead. think no no no when he's I'm sorry when I was like 12 I liked Ed I watched The Sondra Dead the other day hated it I need Ed to die peace Ed dude Ed is like your roommate's boyfriend Ed is your roommate's boyfriend not mine yeah he's holding Sean back but the global cosmic your roommate's boyfriend who shouldn't be at your house all the fucking time but he is for some reason and he just sucks And he smokes all your weed and eats all your ice cream he doesn't fucking know how to play video games. But it's also a very funny performance. I would not say him dying at all. It's a great performance.
01:30:10
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I'm not sad. But I also want to just bring up about that moment in particular mom with Sean's mom is that that is such a cliche. Yes. It is such a cliche and it still hits me.
01:30:23
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It's still like, oh, dude, no, not as bad. The movie still manages to like actually really like develop the character at least you know a handful of characters enough for you to really care so that when that happens, you're like, no, Barb.
01:30:36
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oh no. how teacher yeah And and my but my number three, and this might be a hot take, but my number three zombie movie is return of the living dead 3. i haven't seen okay i haven't seen first return of the living dead i respect it because i wouldn't actually counting that but you're right i don't like thinking more of like kind you know the love story stuff but you know what i respect that's great that's great you know what return of the living dead 3 is it's romeo and juliet but with zombies and not like the other romantic zombies warm bodies oh not warm no warm bodies is okay but it's fun it's all right
01:31:14
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it's all right. That's its moments. No, no, no. It's, well, when everybody was saying, it's Romeo, because it is. It is. I a warm body, and I went, no, no, no. There it is. That one is better, and really sad. is really sad.
01:31:27
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Like, that's what I did. It's the third part of a series. It has very depressing endings. And went, is this, like, the best one? Wait minute. No, I forget. I'm going to say my list here, because number one, Return the Living Dead, part one. It's a masterpiece. Oh, okay.
01:31:41
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i respect that being I respect that being number one. I respect it. I can respect that. It's funny. It is dark. It is depressing. I always feel really, really wiped out the end of it because so it's so depressing, man. like this Everyone at the end of that movie is like at their lowest moment and then you'll get obliterated. It's amazing.
01:31:57
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um Number two, Night of the Creeps. I need to do that. haven't seen it. Ooh. Night of Creeps. It's masterpiece. Masterpiece again. you know It's again, like I i can't love i ah zombie kind of horror comedy stuff I think the zombies are really great horror comedy stuff. Yes. Lots of potential.
01:32:13
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Night of Creeps is amazing. It's fun. I love it. 88 minute runtime. I just love how over the top it is. Yeah, I'm crazy for 88 minutes. I love how the characters are in. I'm in. Yeah, it's it's it's so good. The humor is right in it, yeah.
01:32:27
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um Number three, The Crazies, the remake. I haven't seen either, the original or the remake. You're trying to get me to watch the remake of The Crazies for the last couple months. We haven't gotten around to it yet. Okay, I need to. I've seen the original. The original movie was good.
01:32:39
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but you know it's hot too it's ah it's like 28 days later but we're talking about the post 9 11 shit it's like it's like the mirror image to 28 days later for america okay okay like 28 days like threads you know the craziest the remake is like the the the day after you're like slow and softer but it's still got some really great shit in it Okay, speaking of remakes, I will say, and not that I'm like doing like a huge Zack Snyder PR tour, but Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead rips.
01:33:05
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it's really That would out i'll be like my top five or top ten. mean and i just hit one It's an important part of the canon of like where the genre was evolving. like like I feel like you can't overlook Dawn the Dead. and Yeah, it's great. I personally like the original. prefer the original. I also prefer it, but it's pretty fucking good and better than anything needed to be. I'm not a fan of the running zombies. I'm not, because I felt that the commentary was lost with the running zombies. In that one specifically, you mean? commentary that the original had.
01:33:40
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in all Yeah, because in the original, the whole point, the commentary of the original, which I love, is that, yeah, mindless zombies in the mall. Right, right. And that's that's like what we are. And also my boy with the gun.
01:33:52
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you know Yes. You see him throughout the whole movie with that. would also say in my- Sorry, go ahead, and i I just cut you off. I got excited. I don't know if it's top five, but but top 10.
01:34:02
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Like, I mean, fuck Brad Pitt as a husband and father, but World War Z is really fake. I never saw it because I... It's okay. It also wouldn't exist about 28 days later, and so much of it is cribbed from it.
01:34:16
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but because it works like it and hits and like gets your adrenaline going in a very similar way, hits me on a lot of the same levels. And it's also like always on streaming for some reason.
01:34:28
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On some fucking streaming service, it's always there. I haven't watched it quite a few times. it would probably work better for me now because when it first came out, I had just read the The book is so great. And then when I heard that they're doing not that, because I like the book is like the...
01:34:44
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the outbreak already happened and it's like a journal is going around the world interviewing like survivors and it's almost oral history it's oral history yeah it's already i need to read that i've i've seen that would have been a more interesting instead of doing like an action movie i was like oh why aren't why are they doing that yeah the different stories are so good action movie just so shoot me like it's like a bodyguard protecting people celebrities in a bunker there's like an otaku guy who has like all these samurai swords something great it's all it's all there of course you gotta have a weeb you gotta have a weeb with the samurai swords the sadness is also one of my 10. i need to see that one there's a lot of um international blind spots
01:35:25
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The reason I bring that up as well is because, you know, 28 Days Later really did inspire Crossed, the comic book by Garf Venice. And then i had but lee I really am convinced that 28 Years Later was inspired by two spinoffs of Crossed, you know, ah Wish You Were Here and Crossed Plus 100 by Cy Sperry and Alan Moore.
01:35:47
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um Because, like, a lot of the things, there's lots of crossover there in terms of, like, which we're Wish You Were Here is... is is um is that on a landlocked island where everyone has like stepping at roles, watchtowers, all this kind of stuff. And like it' like okay since the pocketcly tapped and and learning to recross plus one hundred it's about um it's like it's like set hundreds in the future after the apocalypse happened. And like they've rebuilt and there's that, but they're smarter ones. They've evolved. There's down new there's like new formations, new variants of of the infected that are coming through that are making rebuiling rebuilding more dangerous. But also, there's goons there's like villains who are patterned off of like childhood icons and then cross plus 100 the villains are patterned off of seven dwarves so they have but a group of villains who are named sneezy dopey grumpy it's funny um okay this yeah you have tower rangers and teletubbies and shit so like i like yeah it kind of feels like there's some cross pollinating there and so adding that to the reading list
01:36:42
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well I'll give you a list because there's like a thousand like there needs be textual companion to the episode of all the movies I'll give you a list because there is like 200 issues in that entire thing one like two hundredrous issues that that entire thing look at all's combined and one like 10% of it is good.
01:36:59
Speaker
And the rest is just bullshit. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, yeah, so if I have the cheat sheet, so just go to the good ones, then that that would help. Another zombie movie I want to shout out that would be in in my top 10 is Pontypool that I hadn't seen until last year. haven't seen it yet.
01:37:16
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So good. It's been on my list for so long. It's so unique, and like I just was just blown away by the whole concept of it, of like this... this Isn't the virus transmitted by sound?
01:37:27
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It's like through language, like like you get stuck on words like there's like stages to it and then someone will start start just like it's like autism. You yeah you get could literally and then like, yeah, I don't want to say and any anymore, but that's like one of the stages ho is like you get you hear the word and then you get stuck on it. So then and it's from a radio station. so good. It's so good. It's fantastic.
01:37:50
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it's fantastic And one of my last quarters at UCSD, I took one of my favorite classes ever, which was um all about the undead zombies in media. It was so sick. Each week we watched a new zombie movie and had like a little discussion board and we'd go into class. We didn't watch The professor would just like wax poetic at length about like the,
01:38:09
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like development of the zombie mythology and cultures, how that moved to America via the transatlantic slave trade going from Africa to here, like the socioeconomic, anthropological, historical ties. It was so fucking fascinating.
01:38:23
Speaker
But i remember Ponty Poulgar brought up a couple of times. We see like clips of other things and we have like actual movies that we had to watch. like and then write about that's how i saw train to busan for the first time okay cool i saw it that's that's that's actually how i saw all of the romero uh zombie movies for the very first time was that class so where's the cutoff for for you guys because like i know like obviously his last like what the stuff like diary of the dead or whatever most people are but like is that the cutoff of like that was the last good one because like that's land yeah yeah black one diarrhea the dead was good survival of the dead is the last one is fucking weird because i'm like it's about a feuding family like it's like yellowstone with zombies that's all kind of interesting it's like oh no you know what you're you're selling you're selling it really well i love it's it's
01:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, but it's so weird. Now I want to see it. terms like genuinely good. I love outside context genre problems. i love that shit. Yeah, it but Diary of the Dead, it was good. but if I'm going to be real, i think Zoe, you were the one who said it was Land. Yeah, I hopped off after Land. That's where my education stops. is as a i When I saw it as a kid, I was like, as a move and this yeah. Yeah. And it was like good for like baby's first like political commentary. like, oh, wow, it's actually about stuff.
01:39:50
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It's about stuff. I think I saw that before saw the originals. like I was like, wow, it's like... yeah talking about society man crossing that river yeah right yeah dude how do we feel about the world are we overworld ah overlord fans in this ah the over but oh know i have been overlo great i haven't seen or i need a chat that get I love i love outside context drama problems you know I love I love when you have like it's like a strict genre and then you just drop like a like a poor you know trope into it is it you know it plays like a straight World War II movie for like 30 to 40 minutes. And then- Yeah, they let you get really deep into it before they spring it on you, and which I really like.
01:40:33
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Now we're doing zombies. Hell yeah. Oh, we're doing meth and we're resurrecting. have Have you guys seen Kingdom, the Netflix show from a couple years No, but that's supposed to be like... No. it's It's so good.
Recommendations and Zombie Genre Reflections
01:40:45
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Okay, so it's basically like the first two episodes are like ah like ah like a straight kind of you know Korean like like like drama, you know like or medieval like Korean drama, like you know princes, you know all that kind of shit. like There's ears and that kind of stuff. But then like second episode, like fucking zombies.
01:41:02
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And then suddenly that just drops a whole bomb of things. It's fantastic. They're writing for two seasons, sort of all but they they only planned two seasons, but they wanted to do like more seasons, so they're little bit of cliff, but whatever. Netflix never made anymore. so But it's two seasons and a prequel movie, and they're it's amazing.
01:41:16
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Okay. I'm just noticing, Doug, why don't you have glasses? There's three of us with glasses, and you don't have glasses on. yeah was far It's kind of weird. I mean, I'm in between. i mean, I have my old prescription, but it just sucks now. So, like, I just do. I'm just saying it i'm just saying that but it looks weird.
01:41:36
Speaker
And you look weird. You need to fit in. need to conform maybe Maybe I want to look different. Maybe. Maybe. yeah i I'm trying to stand out. I'm just I'm just different. OK.
01:41:51
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I'm not like the other guys. I haven't seen this one, but it's been on my watch list forever. Blood Quantum is supposed to be about... like it's that I also saw in that class. it's It's really good. The concept is really cool.
01:42:04
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i yeah like there's a There's a tribe of Native Americans, and I i i believe they're in Canada, but they're genetically immune. It's good. like it's You can die from... from like uh like injury trauma you could get like like bitten or eaten to death but you won't turn okay they're genetically immune to the zombie virus it's really cool it's really really cool yeah i would highly recommend it that was like one of the last couple ones that we watched in that class i was talking about it's shutter i've never heard it before in my life yeah it's it's really cool it's definitely worth a watch yeah no definitely but there's i'd feel like the only thing i would say like there's there's kind of like a
01:42:42
Speaker
a time shift there and i think i don't think that wasn't truly necessary but it's really truly fun gonna do yeah it's the movies none of it's necessary yes how cootie you guys seen co i've never seen it but but i was interested it's i like it i like cooties i like oh wait cooties yeah i saw that good it's fun cooties is really fun that was fun that was silly you're saying you have cooties yeah that's why they're fun yeah no its yeah okay you're farther but you know taste having good taste uh in in good taste probably would have made them not go farther you know it's fun it's good fun shit you guys i think elvis has goodies i'm hearing
01:43:19
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That's what I'm hearing from this conversation. Wasn't there a zombie movie with Lupita Nyong'o? Little Monsters. I could not finish watching that because the first 30 minutes have no Lupita, and so I zoned out, just like this annoying Australian guy for the first 30 minutes. Where are we getting Lupita Nyong'o? Oh, I was...
01:43:37
Speaker
Yeah, i i what thirty not interest i click I clicked out like I can't sound this this this annoying guy because when when I started that movie, I thought it was a remake of the Fred Savage movie Little Monsters from 1989.
01:43:52
Speaker
And then I'm like, wait, there's no Howie Mandel. No, fuck it. And then I just turned it off. i hear it's good though but i'm not am i the only one that has seen little monsters i actually love it little monsters is nice i like that i like the i like the young guy who's actually and his face and his face is tough i it's a nice movie i like it no should we yeah should we like should we like wrap up the podcast episode and then we can all hyper fixate and like should we should we like put a pin in the like in in the topical conversation that we can yap yeah i don't cut anybody off early either but no no i uh i mean we're we're almost at two hours i i feel like it'd be good to start start wrapping it um i if there's anything else anyone like just like
01:44:41
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defining zombie movies for you personally or just like where does has 28 years reinvigorated your like in the way that like days breed new life into the zombies like are you guys like excited because i feel like walking dead kind of just drained me of like interest in zombie like i i watched that show for far longer than i should have Like I probably should have stopped when Frank Darabont left like after season one but I was like, oh, that's when I like it was like what i love too Well, I read so far into the comments Maybe maybe I should just keep going, you know, it was basically sunk cost fallacy and um sunk sunk cost fallacy Yeah, we get you the the pool wasn't even that deep. How could be that sun?
01:45:24
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Yeah, it's look No, but in answer to your question, look, um I think 28 Years Later is a great film. It's actually really great film. Like, I didn't expect what I expected from it. I don't think it reinvigorated the zombie genre. It's not like redefining it. Like you're saying?
01:45:40
Speaker
or redefining it. Well, but the thing is there is no real definition to a zombie movie. And just look at the first three in Romero's trilogy, or rather the, you know, because Night Living Dead, Under the Dead, and Day the Dead are radically different from each other with different sets of commentaries.
01:46:00
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And so the zombie genre has just always been like that. Um, but, the and, I mean, I'm gonna have to 28 Years Later sit with me, because I still prefer 28 Weeks, it just the sequels, 28 Weeks Later, but that one just has stayed with me since 2007, you know, so...
01:46:19
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you know so Why can't you guys yeah it just it didn't click for for me and Carlisle? Yeah, no like yeah that's my big um want off eggba It like neon letters like You know love for him you don't hit on his character too much. He ran he ran he ran really well i could like it like he's yeah at that point his wife does deserve to die it's like how many who would be do do friendly beat and that is a universally understood experience But it's also just about survival. He booked Yes, it is. What was he supposed to do? Stay there and die with his wife? Go back and get himself kills or the kids have no father?
01:46:59
Speaker
Exactly. it's like It's so funny because she's like, Steve, help us. Sorry. What's your options? you're You're on the other side of the room. you should have booked out the window. We shouldn't have. You're gesticulating very animatedly. but i' i' I'm picking him up.
01:47:13
Speaker
Oh, well they made on my end, excuse me. Excuse me. Oh, did you accidentally click on his name? No. <unk> No. I wasn't silencing him. were just like, I'm tired of that these Westworld takes and you turned them off. You know what, you're correct. I'm just correct all the time. It's a gift and a curse. He was too correct and it made me mad so I silenced him.
01:47:35
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So you can hear him now. I'm like, yeah. Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.
01:47:43
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yeah but um no i just it definitely has i think it's just a great in yeah it's a great film it was a lot better than expected it's definitely put me in a zombie mood like i want to go back and fill in these blind spots of movies we've talked about ah zoe i remember when we were watching the first season of that netflix anthology uh black summer i think it's like a canadian show about oh so yeah good some and some and some of the episodes are directed by uh who's the guy who did the universal soldier sequels uh um hyams yeah hyams john hyams who like knows his shit especially with action with me about some john hyams i was just watching universal soldier regeneration yesterday yeah so like there's there's like action in this it's like
01:48:28
Speaker
like better than some movies i'm like oh yeah this this shit is is good and then there's like just standalone like really creepy episodes like they get stranded in a school in one episode that's really chilling ah yeah it's it's a cool anthology so i want to go back to i think anthology is just works for horror like it's like it's there should be more of them i feel like because like even if you agree to some clunkers it's like well but it's just worth it just for like one or two like it's only 25 minutes but just you're fine like like like it wasn't it is black summer anthology though you jump around to different i think think kind of through a line there is a through line i guess anthology is not the right word but every episode you're following like a different perspective i mean they do intercross and yeah the same situation Yes, like you're seeing, but but there are like standalone ones where it's like, yeah, we're not going back to that school, but like that was, those characters were just there for one episode or something.
01:49:24
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My favorite one, I remember so the first season was the one that plays in reverse, more or less. That was a fucking fantastic episode. it Went into club. Oh, yeah. It plays in reverse. Like, that's so cool. I loved it. I think some of like 20 minutes, some us were like eight minutes. They just, they just, whatever they did, you know, it's so fucking good.
01:49:42
Speaker
Yeah, so I want to finish that. i mean, there's so many zombie games in my backlog. but All the parkour at the end with the jimmies in 28 years was like, oh, I need to get back on Dying Light. Because like, what I played... You to get back into parkour. Zombies and parkour is just like a good...
01:50:01
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combo especially in a video game because like you like i remember in the first time like you have like you kind of like have a grappling hook you you can jump around rooftops and stuff and you can like hop from zombie head to zombie head like you like use them their heads as platforms and and like stuff yeah so i i need to play more of the the sequel because that also has like kind of like a year's vibe of like This city, it was contained, the virus was locked down into this one place and we're just like leaving them. You know, like they're just gonna deal with themselves and it's like years into it, like what has this world now become? And your character's like a courier, like, cause that's like, you don't have, don't have Amazon to deliver stuff in zombie world, so you just like, you get a parkour guy who can deliver packages to people. way sicker yeah way sicker reminds me of that uh that michael bay produced covet movie uh snowbird or some shit oh is is that some wait bloober or something about a career like it's covet 20 25 or something it's to keep the let's get evolving so only people outside are couriers you have the guy played archie from riverdale in it okay oh nice
01:51:19
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But you know on that I have to go This answers Doug's questions, you know when he said like um like what your thoughts were like if you're bigoted for you my my last thought actually was not about zombies at all like but it's really Jimmy's and all they did like Mad Max was my first thought like I want to see like wasteland and Ward Lord James Let's do it. That's the die back off of the Jimmy's like eh It's like two different kinds of post-apocalypse movies bashing into each other.
01:51:45
Speaker
Like zombie survival. is like Oh, I love this. Like Mad Max over-the-top bullshit. Isn't that kind of what the movie Doomsday is, where it's like kind of trying to do a Mad Max with zombie? I haven't seen it, but it's isn't it the same guy? I haven't seen it either.
01:51:59
Speaker
not familiar with it.
Sucker Punch and Unique Cinematic Styles
01:52:01
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Isn't the one he the same director who did like the spelunking movie? Oh, The Descent? Yeah. it's it It's Neil Marshall. Really what we're saying is that we've got to get George Miller involved.
01:52:10
Speaker
It's Neil Marshall's sucker punch. You know, he goes to broken it. Okay, so you're telling me it's masterpiece then. Sucker punch just activated me like sleeper cell. Sucker punch is great, which is why I kind of took offense to then it saying that Donna, that it was Snyder's destiny. I was like, well. That's why didn't agree with that. Sucker punch, Medisteel, and the rest.
01:52:32
Speaker
I'm like Sucker Punch 300, I don't fucking care. like soer butzz funny Sucker Punch is like, oh, that movie's amazing. Look, I'm going to say this about Sucker Punch. That is one of the best soundtracks of recent years. So good. you can't argue with that. sound I'm a big time Sucker Punch truther.
01:52:48
Speaker
Like, people do. People sleep on Sucker Punch. He should make a musical ASAP, man. and So good. At the end when they play Where Is My Mind, ah that's one of the most haunting versions that I've ever, I've been, man. well-timed pixie's needle drop will get you far in this world.
01:53:03
Speaker
out Of course. It will get you. Like a wave of mutilation. ah Period. And that's on Southland Tales. Yes. I've been thinking about, for some reason, I've been thinking a lot about post-apocalyptic. For some reason. For some reason. I don't know why you'd be thinking about that. It's about the flaps America. I'd have no idea.
01:53:18
Speaker
Like, yeah, just like. Have you watched Streds last night? It's so good. I mean, i i got soul, but I'm just not a soldier. So true, Dunnett. So true. What can I say? I still need i still need to see the cons cut of... cut The cons cut is okay. It's overhyped.
01:53:35
Speaker
it Because, like, i don't... Some things I'm fine being confused and not, like, clarified on. It's not director's cut, really. No, but the the cons cut doesn't really elucidate any of that. For the cons cut, if you want to look at it, is is more of a sequel to the comics.
01:53:49
Speaker
Right. Well, yeah, no, it is the the actual I read the comics cut actually explains more because the cons cut kind of but kind of kind of yeah assumes you read the comic. So explains less if you're looking for more explanation. Donnie Darko director. who The situation. Darko director's cut over explains. And then this is like, what if I do directors? Yeah, I hate. i what When I was like 13, I thirteen actually actually got like a deep low quality, the rips of both and I was like, you know what? This plane's too much. This plane's too little.
01:54:18
Speaker
I was trying to make my own cut of the sapling tails. Like this is just you right. You gotta make the Elvis cut. You're you're youre you're a little toe for grace doing your own cuts. I'm like, this'll be just right. You know, this one works. On some Goldilocks.
01:54:32
Speaker
You'll figure it out. You'll get it right. I was in Timberlake's best movie, though. It's great. i Yeah, I don't. yeah What's it? What's that? Oh, I guess he is in social network. I really do have to get. right. I'm sorry. I can literally, I mean, be on with you guys for like another four hours. i know Oh, I know.
01:54:52
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We'll do this again. Like, I think this was a lot of fun. And ah like, there's there's plenty of things that we got on the docket. Oh, they're coming out. Yeah. Well, not even just new releases, just stuff we would like, you know, just want to look back on movies that follow certain theme or on under certain like, because we're ah probably going doing a Alex Garland stuff. So like, yeah yeah, everyone's welcome to come back for any of that. So yeah, one for already yeah Annihilation is your homework.
01:55:20
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Oh, wait, what are you doing? You haven't seen it. no no i haven't that's what you're leaving to do right yeah well yeah yeah maybe okay i was joking but that is uh no but uh no uh no but honestly uh just one i want to throw out there um stephen king films and in particular the bad stephen king stuff oh i already have i've already suggested for that one
01:55:52
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ah denni i'm um I love you. yeah and yeah Keep it up. Keep it up. But na no, no. um Like, for instance, I'm going to throw one out there for you guys and then I'll leave you um the movie Sleepwalkers.
01:56:05
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That's on my list. But to be fair, is it, can I count once, but the story has never been released? Because how can we compare? How can we compare? Well, it was released as a god-awful film. Maybe the short story is masterpiece. Who can tell?
01:56:20
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No, but Stephen King, no, Stephen King had a hand in it because he was, he was in the movie, so he knew what they were making. Yeah, there's so many. Like, I would love to go into a deep, yeah, yeah. Like maximum overdrive. um anyway masterpiece but Anyways. hi It was really nice to meet you. It was great.
01:56:38
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It was so nice meeting all of you. Well, except you, Doug. and Except you, Doug. Except you, Doug. Nerd. like Except you. i you know yeah You can come to my party. Do we really meet anyone?
01:56:54
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Yeah, do we meet anybody? Is it, is this real? is What is it? I could contain multitudes, you know? Yes, we live in multitudes. I contain multitudes. That's 100%. Yeah, that's true. But it was great discussion. Great meeting you, Elvis and Zoe. Yeah, this was lot of fun. Always a pleasure. We're going to do more. a look get we'll get We'll do more of these, like, kind of group discussions because I think the chaos of it is kind of the fun. Like, what once you... Yeah.
01:57:22
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I feel like once we hit life of Chuck, Westworld debates, like I was like, this is this is what I wanted. This is exactly this exactly the con juicy conflict.
01:57:34
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yeah It's all coming to plan. Yeah, I felt like Albatine of like ah my machinations work. I was more invested in the West like i' I've been stewing on Westworld everything that person's came on like what the hell is this maybe maybe we'll watch the movie and future world dude it I never seen future world in my life yeah it world yeah um like under seen Stephen King days but like yeah all the other crazy crying shit like like what's going on with Timeline is amazing book and a terrible movie.
01:58:10
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think I've seen the movie and I can't remember it. You know, timeline Timeline is like the Rick and Morty you know episode with the time travel where like, oh, actually, you're just killing yourself and going to another universe that where you're not dead, you know? and so the Timeline created that. That's from Timeline.
01:58:26
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It's so funny because like but my favorite part of Timeline, you know I know Dennett, you're leaving. i want you to hear this too. It's funny, but great. the The main character is the POV narration. and that what He's like, you're going to the time machine and the main villain who's like has the time machine, he's like, he's played to him as he's time traveling, how it works. Basically, again, you're killing yourself and then you're you're ah appearing in a different universe where you're not dead. And as see this is happening, he's really like, wait a minute, what's going to happen? He's like, I got kill this guy. And then you just,
01:58:53
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zips off to the past and then like that's my favorite part of the book because like he dies and then the next chapter like okay i guess i'm dead but i'm alive still it's great sometimes you gotta kill your yourself a couple hundred times okay but lambert wilson aka the mirror of vi what's the point them in a movie exactly if i can't kill myself who can paul it's not not terrible but the book is so fun and it's like the movie is not as fun as the book But it's got the Merovindian in it, so I'll watch it. Then it's basically leaving, guys. Read the room, Doug, and Elvis. Then it wants to leave.
01:59:25
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Bye, Dennett. Bye, Dennett.
01:59:33
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So that was that. um That was of our experience. just we you know We just ended it suddenly. ah The test audiences and studios wanted me to put a more definitive ending.
01:59:48
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and was like, no, we're freeze-framing it and they when they hit the gate on their way out. So that's putting my foot down. um little 28 days later joke there but um since there was no proper plug section i just wanted to say find me on twitter at dugganut underscore two check out my youtube i got some stuff i'll be uploading there also some other stuff that i recorded with uh chris
02:00:19
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and Dennett. um Some of that will be on my YouTube. I think some of that ah we watched a couple movies, some commentaries. um I think that those will probably end up on the These Guys Got Juice feed, so a look out for that. um Elvis Dutton, you can find him on Twitter at ah the underscore snickman and then Zoe you all know Zoe intrusive thought she's at Zoe Elizabeth JPEG um Dennett is at movie night on Instagram this will all be in the show notes so don't I don't want to spell it out for you but and and everyone's letterbox you know how to read just look to at the thing alright bye