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Rochelle Herman's Heroic Story - Doing the Right Thing Costs!
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How far would you go, what would you sacrifice to do the right thing? How far would you go to help children being victimized by someone? In this episode, Lisa is telling us of the a real life hero – Rochelle Herman, and how far she went to build a case against and expose a child predator. Rochelle was not a law enforcement officer or a government official, but a regular person who put aside her life in helping those who could not help themselves. Yet – her name is unknown. We all know of Jared Fogle – but what about the woman who sacrificed years of her life, so we would know the truth? This is HER story of bravery, sacrifice, and the consequences she lived with for doing the RIGHT thing.
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Transcript
Kickoff: Meet Faith and Lisa
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, good afternoon, lovely ladies and gents. Hey. Thanks for tuning in to Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa.
00:00:16
Speaker
And I have no Winty banter to begin this episode with. I got nothing. I'm so effing tired. So tired.
Lisa's Duckling Adventures
00:00:22
Speaker
I do have news. I'm a duck mommy. We bought duckies. Squeak Squeakerson. It's Sir Madam's Quacksworth. And yeah, oh, no, Squeakerson. Yeah. Not going away. No, no, it's not. Squeak Squeakerson is his first name. And we're letting the child name the other one, right? Yeah, its name has changed about 150 times.
00:00:45
Speaker
Well, in 10 minutes, it's going to be Fernando. So she better. They're unisex
Unisex Duckling Mix-up
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Speaker
ducks, remember? Got nothing. When I was picking them up, it said unsexed ducks. My husband told me to get a boy and a girl duck. And I saw unisex ducks and I was like, do they not get their genders till later? And the guy almost didn't sell me ducks. Yeah. But they're frickin adorable. They poop pretty much nonstop. Yeah.
00:01:13
Speaker
all over you, it doesn't matter what they're doing. They're just going to poop. Yeah. But I've got, thank God for diapers and babies. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I would put one on them, but they blow out in like five seconds. That's true. Like they can't sit. It's constant poop. It's a lot of pills. Do some research on them the other night. And it said, I wish someone had told me how much they pooped and I was like, right. But anyway, that's not, you didn't tune in to hear about my ducks with poop. Although the ducks are fricking adorable. I'll post a picture.
00:01:40
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They're pretty freaking cute. I'm not going
Playful Banter and Tiredness
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to lie. They're adorable. You came to hear a horrible story. I think they did. I think they did. And hopefully Lisa has one that is quite revolting for us. I mean, if I could just like get on the right page at this point in my life, then yeah, I'll totally have a story for you, but.
00:01:59
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Lisa has notes and a lot of notes tonight, guys. I do. And so I stutter a lot. Bite me. It's not that I don't love you. It's that right now I don't care. So that's just where we're at right now. Do you ever care, though? The foul point. Not really. No, no, don't try to don't try to downplay it downplay your illiteracy.
00:02:21
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literacy, nothing to do with literacy. I said you couldn't read. That's why you were stuttering. Did you just miss that whole comment? Yes, I did. You should listen when I talk to Jim's. Well, I be honest with you, you talk so much nonstop that if I don't tune out once in a while, yeah, I was literally about to say I'll go blind.
00:02:42
Speaker
That's not right. Should we just postpone this cast right now? Wow. This is like, I feel like it would just be better if I said I was drunker on drugs, but really, this is just sleep deprivation. Lubing up with hummus all over again. Lubing up. Lubes. All right, guys, I do have an interesting, interesting story for you. I titled this one. The truth shall set you free or will it?
00:03:07
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Or will
Question of Sacrifice
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it? Some start out like I always do because I've got to have a question or some kind of something in the beginning of my I get mad that I like my ammo. I think is what it's become like. Yeah. But then then I talk too much. You know, why are you talking so much? Because you started with a question.
00:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, but you invited me to talk. Most questions, though, is like yes or no. You're like, no. And here's why. And let me give you a detailed description on why I feel this way with the history of the universe. Right. OK, like this. This this question was first posed back in 2012 by a woman named Margaret Tinky. I don't even know. But you you go places. OK, I do go places.
00:03:47
Speaker
Nowhere fast, but there's no way. Nowhere fast. You are not lying. All right. So I'm going to start with my question since we already started ranting and we're always like, oh, we have no playful banter this week. And then we start talking to each other and realize it just comes out. So so let me ask just a general question. You can ask. You can you can answer right off the bat or you can wait till the end of the story to decide.
00:04:10
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what your answer really would entail. Or option C, I could answer right off the bat. And then change your mind.
Rochelle Herman's Mission
00:04:16
Speaker
And then re-but my answer later. Re-but. Re-buttle. Re-buttle. Yeah. I knew where you were going. I knew where you were going. I wasn't questioning anything. You just calm down.
00:04:23
Speaker
Just calm down. All right. You act like it's so out of the ordinary for you to make fun of me, though. So I had to justify myself. I mean, we both just kind of it was a real word. I didn't know if you knew it. And we haven't seen each other in like a week now. So this is what happens. Like we've literally been staring at each other while I was finishing typing my podcast. My back hurts for like 10 minutes. Just say nothing. Just bitching about our day. And then as soon as we get on the podcast, we're like, oh, wait, I have energy all this. Oh, let's talk. I need someone to pick on.
00:04:52
Speaker
Alright, gotta save it up. Question time. How much would you be able to lose before doing the right thing became unimportant? Like how much could you physically stand? You know, I want my answer to be I'm always gonna choose to do the right thing. Like I want that to be my answer.
00:05:18
Speaker
We talk about – perfect example in India right now, you're not allowed to have a home church or it's against the law. So I want to say if there was persecution of religious freedoms where I lived or any kind of anything like that, I would do what I believe is right no matter what. But like we talk about.
00:05:43
Speaker
You never know until you're there. And I'm there's not much that I would not do to protect my child. So I am going to say undecided. That's probably a good call. Let's just judge this guy's choices. How about that? All right. Instead of so me having to think the woman that I'm about to talk about, learned that even doing the right thing,
00:06:09
Speaker
can cost you in a very big way. Oh, yeah, 100 percent. So agreed. Rochelle Herman was a local shell Rochelle Rochelle, like Michelle, but not. That's like the best description I've ever given and done now. OK, so Rochelle Herman was a local radio host in Sarasota, Florida, when one comment from a man that she was interviewing interviewing
00:06:38
Speaker
Set her on a path that would ruin her life. She's pretty. That's a pretty bold statement. Yeah. Yeah. Just so that she could get to like truth to the people it mattered to. OK, so Rochelle was divorced. Single mother became a radio talk show host and a local celebrity in her area. Her kids loved her.
00:07:01
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They love the fact that she was a local celebrity that she could take them places like, you know How they do around here with like star one. Oh, yeah Mark and Kim in the morning go they go and do their like little festive things and free t-shirts and all that jazz, right? Oh, yeah And so she would take them to all the local hotspots that'd be so cool and her co-workers described her as a
00:07:23
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just absolutely beautiful, very sweet, very kind hearted. And she was a woman who volunteered her time, especially her, her son had said during like Thanksgiving holidays, they had this like certain thing they would do every year. She would actually bring meals to homeless people for Thanksgiving things, things like that. Like just a genuine person. So on her radio, uh, on her radio show, she would talk about like real issues that people face.
00:07:51
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in like a nowadays Circumstance and a lot of times they were talking about like Obesity in America and just people living unhealthy lifestyles and how it affects kids and things like that Which is still true today still true today. Yes. Yes it is so in 2006 Rochelle was contacted by the American Heart Association and she was asked if she would interview a man who traveled all over the US and
00:08:17
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to talk to kids about being overweight and negative side effects and how they were able to live like a healthy lifestyle. So she's pretty much stoked. And she was like on board. She was like, I would love to do the interview. This would be fun. Whatever. So she got to interview him. But again, probably based on the fact that she's not only influential, but very, very pretty.
00:08:43
Speaker
Uh, they decided that the interview wouldn't just be on her radio station. They wanted to do a TV interview as well. Oh, so she's stepping up. Yeah. That's big. She's getting game, right? Yeah. Right. Right. And so now she's like stoked because not only does she get to do all of this, but she gets to interview somebody who's also extremely passionate in the same
Gathering Evidence
00:09:01
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things that she's passionate about. Right. Go ahead and make a difference. Yeah. So.
00:09:05
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like minds and all that. Yep. Pretty much. So this dude came in. They did the interview. Everything was going like fantastic. He discussed childhood obesity, how he likes to tell kids to like learn responsibility at an early age so that they don't suffer in the same ways that he did when he was younger with like health issues and
00:09:31
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Like mental issues just like, you know, I mean people that are overweight and bullied and I've been overweight my whole life Yeah, it's horrible as a kid. Yeah and so just She was kind of taken aback by this guy how passionate he was and just like what he was willing to do like to be able to inform that
00:09:51
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Parents and kids and okay pause. What do you mean what he was willing to do to inform just traveling around the world? I thought I just traveled and talked in gymnasiums. Yeah He like being able to tell his own story. Yeah, okay You know what I mean? Like cuz he was in his youth was also extremely overweight So it was a challenge for him not only to lose the weight but share with other people. Yeah, I
00:10:17
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Like you're you're shame. Here's a healthier lifestyle. You know, yeah, definitely do that. So. OK, sorry. I don't know. They're going perfectly. Right. She the interview. No, the radio interview went perfectly. OK. Well, it was fantastic. OK. So they do it on a radio and a TV. Yes, that's right. Yeah. I said they weren't just doing. I thought radio was doing it. No, no, no. Sorry about that. I'm back on board. Continue. So. Well, now I lost my place. Hold on. After they ended.
00:10:47
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being a typical young man, he began getting an honor a little bit. Yeah. Throw him some game around. Yeah, we're trying to throw some game around. She didn't care. She did what most women do. And they're just, you know, I'm not really interested, but.
00:11:01
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Brush it off. Yeah, brush it off. Just move on. It's not that big of a deal. So they just started chatting around doing whatever. She was like, you know, my daughter would love to meet you. She's like, she thinks you're great. Is that in the other thing? Is he like a famous person? Just keep listening. So I met up with them and hung out and they took some pictures for Facebook and all the socials.
00:11:24
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and it was just rocking right now there wasn't facebook back then 2006 i just assumed no frankie and i got married in 2008 and that facebook was you had to have like an edu like college well fine for myspace myspace for their myspace pay and i'll change that in my notes how about that i just went with a mainstream thing because
00:11:46
Speaker
I should I should have just said like social media, but really it wasn't like it was just pictures to hang in their locker pretty much. Yeah, my space was the jam. You got to go on people's page and listen to music. Yeah.
00:11:59
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Do you know, still, like, Frankie will go on my Myspace and read it, like, when we were, like, first to see all the things I liked and stuff. And I was like, I haven't been on that thing in years. Have that stuff's not even true, bro. Yeah, not even close. But sometimes I go to my Myspace page just to see my top 10 and my music selection from that time before. I could not even tell you what my password, I don't even know what my email was back then.
00:12:19
Speaker
No, I just go to my space and search for my old last name. Oh. And it pulls up the page and there's the music. There's my top 10 because remember you got to do your top. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But my top 10 was always like a top three because I didn't I didn't like anybody that much. It was my space was the jam was ahead of time. You do wallpapers. Yeah. Facebook. So man, it's very bland. It's very political now, too. It's kind of annoying and advertising. But anyway, we digress.
00:12:48
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very much so as most things that are funny. That's all I'm going to say. All right. Anyway, so like I said, they met up, they took some photos and then they both had to head over to the middle school where they were going to do the shoot for the TV version of the interview. So no one was really there. Just the camera crew and the people that were going to like do whatever for the interview. So they both headed up onto the stage to the couch to prep for the interview. He wasted no time before he started doing what?
00:13:18
Speaker
Hitting on her again. Hitting on her again. That's awkward. So he's like, you're so pretty. Can I hold your hand? Blah, blah, blah. And she was a bit uncomfortable, but again, brushed it off like whatever. OK, she just moved on and kept kind of going over notes and prepping her makeup and crap for the interview that was about to happen. I know. I don't understand why they can't just, you know, not do that because
00:13:43
Speaker
Well, I mean, truth be told, if you don't try, you'll never know. I guess. But she's already kind of rebuffed you. Well, but did she? We don't know. Maybe he maybe he's really dumb with signals. Like maybe he's just one of those guys where you have to look at him dead in his eye and say, I'm not interested. I don't see. And that seems so mean and harsh. So when you're halfway through a job with somebody, that's the awkward part of like dating in general. I don't I'm not feeling this. But then girls are like,
00:14:11
Speaker
But I don't want to hurt his feelings. So glad I don't have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, you already hogtied one and married him. So as my brother said, I hit him over the top of the head with the club and drug him to the cage. Anyways, so just before the camera started rolling, this guy leans into her shell.
00:14:31
Speaker
and whispered into his ear, into her ear. Oh, that's creepy. He's like, middle school girls are hot. Hard break. Rochelle froze. Like, did he just say what I think he just said? Kind of. OK, let's pause for a minute. Middle school girls are hot and your job is to go from town to town, middle school to middle school. Oh, kids of all ages.
00:14:55
Speaker
No, I'm a hard pass. I'm a hard, hard pass. Who says that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't I don't know. People are weird, right? Yeah, this is going down a dark road. Super, super dumb, too. So anyway, like I said, she just like froze. Like, did I really just hear that? Yeah. Like.
00:15:16
Speaker
Is this happening in real life? So now I want you to I want you to imagine yourself in her situation where cameras are about to start rolling. And you've got a. You have an interview. No, she did not have the middle school daughter. No, they were younger. They were younger than that. OK, well, that makes it completely fine then. No, no, not at all. So she sort of like came
00:15:39
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back.
00:15:56
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tossed in turn and could not wrap her head around the fact that this guy she didn't even really know. You have to think you heard it wrong over. Yeah, like exactly. I miss her. What could it what could he he he must have he meant something. OK, number one, it's against the law. Number two, you're perv. Number three, we just met in a professional environment and never knew each other before that. Right. And you were just hitting on me. So I must have misheard our miss. Yeah.
00:16:24
Speaker
Yeah. Like, did he misspeak? Am I? Call the police. Yeah. 911. So I'm going to yeet right out. Yeet? I'm gone. Is that what that means? Yeah. I got nothing. I think it's one of the things that means I don't know. I'm not. I'm not young and hip. So if that's really what he said, like, these are the thought processes going through her mind. If that's really what he said, what is what does that mean? That like, is he really thinking that?
00:16:50
Speaker
in school for his job. I can't stress that enough. So like I said, she tossed and turned all night. Probably didn't get much sleep, right? Oh, my gosh. As time went on, Rochelle decided that people needed to see like through the smoke and mirrors of this wealthy man.
00:17:07
Speaker
and exposed the monster that she believed him to be. Oh, snap. OK. OK, so I'm going to be honest with you. Where you started this question, and you said he made a comment that made her, you know, basically do everything
FBI Involvement
00:17:21
Speaker
to the one to do the right thing. I'm thinking it's like a health kick. Like she's, you know, pouring bleach at a chocolate factory where I did not expect this to turn this way. I'm looking for some kind of health nut crazy Richard Simmons type of guru. Not this.
00:17:37
Speaker
So anyway, continue. So this caught me off guard. This is not where I thought we were going. She knew that in order to expose him for anything, they're not just going to take the word of a little blonde woman sitting on a couch of an interview saying he said something inappropriate to me. Right. Because words are words. Like I could look at you right now and be like, Faith, I'm going to kill you. They're not going to arrest me for that because it's words. Plus, you've said it multiple times before and have no follow through.
00:18:03
Speaker
Um, that's a good point. But if, especially this guy has money and he's like famous because obviously he's well known if they bumped it. Just cause you, just cause you got cash doesn't mean you're famous. That just means you got that money. Well known because if they want to bump it, my thinking, here's my, here's my thought process. Not that anybody cares and your notes really long, but that's where we're going with it. Cool. Um, if she had him on a radio and people found out about and they're so excited, like, nah, we got to bump this to TV.
00:18:31
Speaker
They know who he is. Like, you don't bump it from a radio station to a TV for a nobody. Is that an interesting text you got there? Yes, it was. I'm so sorry. Mm hmm. I love you. But the tender down is not. It's not tender. I don't do gender anymore. Anyway, so. Yeah. All right. Continue. Austin turned on my. Yeah. But like I said, she needs evidence. What's she going to do? But you know, she's got to figure out a way.
00:18:58
Speaker
She's not gonna date him is she and so she decided that she was gonna get out there and she's she's gonna get the info she needs Because like her life's goal now is to bring him down like I mean, okay so monster if you're sitting here and you have like Especially because we're women and we're moms. Okay. Yeah, you have that unsettling feeling in your stomach. That's something's not right Yeah, and then imagine that feeling never going away. Nope
00:19:23
Speaker
OK, I don't let anything die. No, I know you don't. I will resurrect it from 25 years ago and be like, you know, I've thought about it before. You do remember that time? Yeah. And I do. I do do that. Unfortunately, my kid does, too. Now we're both close to 40. We're still talking about shit that happened when I was 18. Let's pump the brakes on the close to 40 comments. I'm in my 30s. Thank you very late 30s. Doesn't matter where they're at. They're still there.
00:19:51
Speaker
All right. So she decided. So let's just be real. You want to find out some information about somebody? What are you doing? Do you go to Google? Yeah. Oh, back in that time. Totally. Because it was such a thing. Like Google's just Google.
00:20:11
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I can't with you anymore. I got nothing. Holy moly. All right. So she she started just typing in anything that she could think of that could lead her down a rabbit hole. Anything. And read it was a thing back then. Oh, no kidding, right. There were no rumors. There were no there was nothing. Yeah, I paid off the victims. Yeah, I know.
00:20:37
Speaker
So as luck or spiritual intervention would have it, that's my quote. Her station had arranged another interview. Oh, good.
00:20:48
Speaker
with uh the two of them so how to catch a predator on back then because she should have contacted them this who how to catch a predator oh no kidding right you know that where they they set people up and i just do not steal youtube that crap they haven't done it in so long no there's there's like vigilantes that do it now oh yeah dude and they're funnier did you did you see the tyron one that i sent you that was hilarious you're gonna have sex with a grown man
00:21:14
Speaker
I was like, yes. The guy just crapped himself seven times. Oh, sorry. Anyway, I got if I could even stay on track. It's not my fault alone this time. I have no idea what I'm doing in life.
00:21:33
Speaker
All right, so they they they any up and they're like, we want you to do another interview with this guy. He is on board. Well, of course he's on board like he wants to like get to know her. Right. Is she out of his age range? No, he likes middle school kids. How old is she? Well played. Oh, yeah. As we all know, you have to pretend to be somebody or not in order to live a functional life. So they this time she had it like in her head. She's like,
00:21:59
Speaker
I'm just going to exchange numbers with this guy like I'm I'm going to get to know this guy. Right. Fake date. And I'm told you. Yeah, dude. Yeah, baby. Undercover. And so it wouldn't take long. And before like the conversations just started.
00:22:15
Speaker
They start getting to know each other. He's super flirty. She's pretending to be a little interested, kind of flirty, you know, whatever. And what he didn't know is that she was recording every single phone call they had. Yeah, buddy. Good for her. In 2000s. Now you have devices that are not like the size of your head to record something on. So that's cool. So she just starts gaining a stress, basically.
00:22:42
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't be able to do it. Just conversation after conversation. Oh, I know. Oh, I know. I have no poker face. And when I don't like you, you know it because my face says it. She knew that she had developed some kind of a relationship with this guy before he would truly share anything with her. OK, so at one point they arranged for her to come meet up with him at a different part in a different part of Florida. And so they could just like hang out, do whatever. I'm sorry.
00:23:11
Speaker
And she didn't exactly want to go, obviously. No, but she knew that if she was going to keep up like this, she had to get the evidence that she wanted that she was going to have to like play a role. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. So that's what she did, man. She picked up. She took a recorder with her and met up with him at this hotel.
00:23:38
Speaker
He immediately started getting pansy. No, you don't go to a hotel, meet at a coffee shop. Right. He obviously doesn't respect boundaries. Right. Right. Exactly. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. First meeting and you're being like frickin wackadoo, but whatever. Hey, man, teach their own, I guess. Right. She was dedicated. So she. Hang on. I lost my spot again, Faith. You're Pamela, but all right.
00:24:02
Speaker
So she started, he started getting handsy with her. She respectfully declined those offers, you know, just kind of, let's slow things down. Can't she know each other? Can't she care? Just deck him in the throat, right? Right. She wants to, but she's got to drag this along to out him as a killer. Exactly, but she also needs to carry herself like a lady and say, like, we're not, this is not a hookup, right? Yeah. You're gonna have to work for this, buddy, right? We gotta drag it along as long as we can to get the information we need. Yeah. So, so he leans over to her again.
00:24:32
Speaker
You know, because this has happened once before. Yeah. And he was like, you know, it would be like really hot. No. If you put your hair in pigtails. When when I when I watched this lady's interview, like she was like gagging almost as she said it. Right. Oh, she was like, I legit wanted to vomit. Now, I'm paraphrasing guys. I'm doing this in Lisa language. So just deal with it. So he got up and he went to the bathroom and bro.
00:25:01
Speaker
She picked up her crap, put in a beef or boogie and bounced out. Yeah, she was gone. So he called her and he's like, dude, where'd you go? And she's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I didn't say anything. My kids call. You're a piece of crap. I could stand to be like, lie, lie, lie, lie. Oh, good for her, because I'd have been like, you're a sicko and I'm going to the police. So he was like, oh, OK. Well, you know, you need me to come over and rub ointment on my chest. Yeah, no kidding. Right. Piece of crap. So after that experience, like,
00:25:31
Speaker
Rochelle is motivated. Oh, yeah. OK, because now he's like, oh, middle school girls are hot. Hey, you know, it would be really hot if this 30 something year old woman put hair in pigtails. Well, you know, OK, the pigtail comment wouldn't be that bad if it was if you hadn't already made the other statement. Yeah. Agreed. So their relationship called a correlation. Oh, absolutely. It makes me want to vomit. Yeah. Continue. So their relationship pretty much turned into like a long distance phone call thing. OK.
00:25:57
Speaker
Safe is traveling. Yeah, he was traveling everywhere into school. She was totally content with that. Right. Oh, yeah. So during all these phone calls, she's like recording everything. And the more that they talk, the more he would reveal to her. And the things that she was hearing were like just horrifying, vile. Yes. And so she took some of the recordings that she made. She was like, OK, I finally got him to say a few things, basically like.
00:26:26
Speaker
I would feel like as an implication, especially being a mom, right? Yeah. You would be like, well, he said A, B and C. So that all equals that. I'm going to take this to the FBI and that looks like a nut quacks like a nut. Guess what? Pig. Nope. Well, it's pedophile. I was going to say duck, but you said pig and they both start with P. So no. All right. So she gets to the FBI's
00:26:55
Speaker
like facility and she starts telling them like what, what's happening. Okay. And of course you're looking at a wealthy, well-to-do guy and this random woman, right? What are they, are they thinking that she's telling the truth? How long Jeffrey Epstein get away with it? Yep, pretty much. Right. So she was like, okay, fine. Like you don't believe me. Here's like one of my recordings. Yeah. So the FBI agent, like listen to some of the tape and
00:27:24
Speaker
looks at Rochelle and she's like, is this who I think it is? Like just based off a voice. Told you he was famous. And she was like, yes. And so she stopped what she was doing.
00:27:36
Speaker
Pause the tape walks out of the room to see the FBI agent. I'm so sorry. I didn't have the names of any of the I'm fine with that. When you said she, I thought you were talking about trying to refer to her more as Michelle or Rochelle than she. Yeah. So, you know, like when I'm differentiating, I still don't follow very closely. It's all right. So she gathers up some of her stuff and the FBI agent goes out of the room.
00:28:01
Speaker
She comes back in with other agents who listen to the tapes. Oh, because now we're involved, now we're invested. Yeah, we're equally- It's a big name splash. We're equally shocked at what we're hearing, okay? Because now we're going to take it seriously because we can get our names in the paper. Well, who knows? I don't know about all that. Well, it makes me mad that before they were like, well, you know, not really that big of a deal. Here, listen to the tape. Oh, is this so and so? Then yeah. But you don't know.
00:28:27
Speaker
had his voice not been recognizable at that moment. Once you hear the tape and you hear what they're saying, they very well could have been like, oh, this is what you meant. But that's not what they said. They're not going to take the word of just some woman who said, oh, he asked me to put my hair in pigtails or you know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying that was part of it. It's possibility for sure. For sure. So.
00:28:51
Speaker
Like I said, the other agents were also, like, in shock by what had just happened. And they all knew that something had to be done, like, in that moment. Like, we gotta do something. I know who this is! But there was one- Hold on, you wait. Because you told me two weeks ago- On accident! And you just all put it together! I didn't realize- I hate you! Shut up and listen! Shush! Sorry, continue. Shushy! And I lost my place again! God, you're the worst!
00:29:16
Speaker
Well, sorry, I did try to figure out who this was. There was one problem. You told me. There's one problem with pursuing this case. Technically, what Rochelle did is a crime and you cannot record somebody without their permission. And so the FBI pretty much gave her some training and instructions on what she could and could not say. Well, it's not that you can't record them. They just can't use them. Yeah, it can't be used in court. It's not permissible. Correct. But they gave her training.
00:29:45
Speaker
And she became an informant for the FBI. Dang, I did not know this is how he went down. So their conversations pretty much became more and more grotesque. Like she tells him she's recording him. I don't know that that's how it went down. I'm not sure. I don't know what I don't know. I don't have a clue because nowhere in some of the documentary that I watched that it say anything about that. So I just know that she was trained by the FBI, became an informant.
00:30:15
Speaker
And they may have just said, like, keep going with what you're doing. And we're going to listen to all of this. Because once you got enough evidence, yeah, other avenues to use to like convict this guy. Right. I wonder if you did like like an old school, like if you let them call and let your your voicemail pick up.
00:30:33
Speaker
Like an old school home phone. Yeah. And so they know that it's being recorded because it's a voicemail, but you pick up and you're like, oh, hey, sorry. And keep going if that's permissible, because technically they know they're being recorded. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That would totally work. That's probably why they're like, hey, my answering machine is still going. This is all being recorded, but I don't care. Talk to me. But I mean, they know they're being recorded because it's on. Yeah. My home phones went away. Yeah. That's why home phones went away. Yeah. It's a conspiracy.
00:30:59
Speaker
And now if you accidentally butt dial somebody it's like anyway. All right. Where's my place? Cool grotesque grotesque. I have a lot of words here, Faith. Hold on. All right. So she was hiding all of the stuff that she was doing, obviously from her kids. So they're too little to be involved. They're way too little to be involved with this. OK, so in order to like keep them safe, she was taking these phone calls.
00:31:23
Speaker
outside or taking them pretty much like in her office or like bedroom, stuff like that. So she was becoming kind of distant because again, she's a mom. She's 100% headed. Like she wants, she wants this guy busted at this point. It's kind of starting to affect the family. So the things the man was saying to her about kids and the role that she was now having to play in getting him caught would have scarred her kids for life. You think?
00:31:53
Speaker
And so for me, that's kind of like a catch-22. And that's where the first part of my question starts. Like, how much would you be willing to lose? Because now she's distancing herself from her kids. Now she's a single mom. So you have to keep all of this in mind. But in one hand, she's protecting them from people like that. And on the other hand, she's not rejecting them, but distancing herself from them.
00:32:17
Speaker
You know what I mean? So it's just, it's a, it's a bad play, right? Yeah, there's no, either way, whatever you do, you lose. Cause you let a pedophile walk, but very, very, very, he can get what he wants because everybody knows him or you can, you know, continue to go to play dates with your kids. And in the end, I think you have to make a safer world for them, even though if you take one down, five more pop up these days, but
00:32:45
Speaker
You have to take a stand. You can't just let someone you know that are hurting other kids. Like, what if what if someone let someone go that was hurting your kids? I mean, that's got to be in the back of your mind. Like, you have to protect kids. OK, continue. So no matter how much. Sorry, guys. No matter how much you would give the FBI, it was almost like it was never enough. No, no. You got to drag this out. You're going through all of this in your head and you're like, I've given you so much. Yeah. How is this guy walking free?
00:33:14
Speaker
in schools. And this went on for her for three years. No,
Emotional Toll on Rochelle
00:33:20
Speaker
three years. One day she came home and found that all of her stuff, like her notes and her journals had been gone through, ripped apart by who? Her kids. And it turns out it was her daughter that found the journals. And according to Rochelle, that was like the moment that everything changed for their family. And her daughter like was just not the same.
00:33:45
Speaker
because I believe her kids at the time were like 10 and 11. And so that's young, old enough to read, but not that. You know what I mean? Maybe not really fully understanding, but this is what's consuming my mom's time. This, you know, God forbid she got online and Googled any of it, what she would, you know what I mean? And it devastated this kid. And so it was then she decided that, I can't do this anymore.
00:34:13
Speaker
She's done enough. Enough is enough. She's done everything with her power. Yeah. I need to get my life back. I need to get my kids back. This has got to stop. It's been three years that I've been doing this and nothing's happened. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Like you've got three years worth of data and recording and details, knowing he's a sicko and you're letting him go. Like shame on you. Not her. Oh, I agree. 110%. He has big lawyers behind his brand. Well, I'm sure. So.
00:34:41
Speaker
She pretty much went to the FBI and was like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. Oh, I'm sorry. So she went to the FBI and she just basically told them like, I can't do this anymore. It's, it's ruining my family. I feel like I'm going crazy. I was going to say mentally that can't be like either. Right. Three years.
00:35:04
Speaker
Yeah. Like that's absurd. Yeah. What are you waiting to catch? That's for like. Are you waiting for her kids to get old enough so she can like try one out? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like that's ridiculous. You have enough. Take him down. So well, see, that's the thing. If none of her tapes are admissible in court. It's called a sting operation, bro. You know where he's going. Not really. How to Catch a Predator 101. Right. There you go.
00:35:31
Speaker
So the FBI and Rochelle came up with a plan. OK. To lure this disgusting human being into a trap. OK. So they were going to fake a birthday party using one of Rochelle's kids. Oh, did I hit the nail on the head? On the head, buddy boy. On the head. And invite him to come under the premise that he could probably molesticate. Like that had to.
00:35:58
Speaker
Like he has to be willing to travel across state lines to commit the crime. I'm disgusted. Does that make sense? Yeah. So the moment he shows up at the party, bam, you proved that this is why you were coming and now you're going down. But all the other three years worth of evidence of him talking about kitty diddling wasn't enough. Well, you know, he wasn't told. I'm so horrified right now. So.
00:36:28
Speaker
If if she if she could somehow just make this happen, if he showed that it would prove intent that he was willing to cross state lines for sex with an underage person, this was over for her. Over. Yeah. But how much more do we need to traumatize the children? Mm hmm. So Rochelle got to work on them pretty quick.
00:36:51
Speaker
And he agreed to come to the birthday party. I mean, how does she go about that? Hey, there's going to be a lot of kids and unsupervised bedrooms. This is conversations that have been going on for three years. Okay. Talking about whatever disgusting things they talked about. Okay. And I honestly didn't reference any, any of the tapes that I heard because at the end, I'm going to give you the documentary that I'm talking about. Okay. Um, and y'all will have to watch it for yourselves because this is not the only story. No.
00:37:19
Speaker
Um, this, this is just the one that I picked because wow. Um, so he did agree to come, but before the conversation ended, he said something to Rochelle that would make her physically sick and something that she probably, no, I wouldn't even say probably to this day, she'll probably never. Okay. What did he say? He asked if he could see her 10 and 11 year old kids naked, her kids. He asked if they could put a camera in their room.
00:37:48
Speaker
So has she been acting like she's interested in children this whole time to trap him? I think so. OK. She'd have to be for him to be that. But I don't know such big time crap. Well, see, here's the thing, too. And they're they're not going to tell like show all of the tapes. Yeah, that's like federal evidence or whatnot. But it almost seemed like every time he asked her a question or said something, well, what do you think about that? She would have a way of like sort of
00:38:17
Speaker
coming at the question. Okay. All right. So dog chaos over, uh, crisis averted crisis averted when the conversation was finally over.
00:38:32
Speaker
And she's done vomiting in the bathroom. Yeah, I was going to say, I can imagine what she must have felt like, like I don't like nauseated, not even close. Well, and if that's the like, okay, I'm thinking that she's just recording their phone calls, letting him discuss it. Like if she's being an active, you know,
00:38:50
Speaker
quote unquote co-conspirator that she's into this, too. That is a dark thought process you've been in for three years. Oh, yeah. Like it can make you without a doubt. It can make you go crazy. Yeah. So he wound up having to cancel coming to the party because he was double booked and he had to be somewhere to speak with a plethora of children at his beck and call. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Rochelle tried desperately to get him to come anyways, but had no luck. Move the party. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:20
Speaker
but just nothing, nothing was working out. And she was so mentally done at this point. I don't think she wanted to keep trying. You know what I mean? Like I've given you enough. Figure it out. That's right. That's your job. Yeah. I've been doing this for free. Yeah, exactly. Like I've been mentally stabbing my brain it out for this. Yeah. And so as time kind of went on, the thought of him roaming free just still
00:39:50
Speaker
wouldn't sit dedicated three years of her life. Like if you give up now, you wasted those three years for nothing. Yeah. And she literally had had enough. And so she took all the information that she still had with her that she hadn't given to the FBI to go public. And she took it to the local police department. Good.
00:40:12
Speaker
the local police were like, oh, you know, well, it's probably just some crazy chick looking for her five minutes of fame. Five minutes of fame. Right. Until the tapes came out and they listened to the tape.
00:40:26
Speaker
And the detective that listened to the tape was like, seriously? Why do you not just contact? I'm sorry, after you contact the FBI and the police, you contact his sponsor, if you will, and tell them. But really, without proof, even like releasing the tapes and doing whatever, well,
00:40:51
Speaker
No, she would. She'd have to do jail time for recording somebody who, you know, and let's be realistic. Like she probably do more jail time for recording somebody without their parameters, basically. Oh, I know. I know. But again, she's a single mom and she has all of this to think about. OK, so no good option. Again, the local police, they listen to it yet again. Their hands are tied. They can do absolutely nothing because technically he's not committed any crime in Sarasota. So.
00:41:19
Speaker
What can they do? The only thing that the agent could do was contact the FBI who did confirm that there was an active investigation going on for this. Yeah, because she's been doing it. And like you were just saying at that point, like it was almost like a mental break. She was like,
00:41:38
Speaker
somebody do something. Yeah. Or I'm going to broadcast this on my radio station. Yeah. Like made the threat. I was actually thinking that's what she just did. Like, so nobody else wants to help here. You know, the cops sat her down and they were like, look, I'm going to give you like these reasons that that's not a good idea. Don't care. One, they could come after you. Don't care.
00:42:02
Speaker
Well, yeah, she's got kids. And again, like you said, you you know what I'm saying? There's so many different targets for three years at this point. There's still babies done. Yeah. Like at this point, she doesn't care. Well, she finally agreed to not say anything. And but she stepped back. She's like, I'm done. I can't do this anymore. Like you people are insane. This guy's still walking on the streets. I don't know what you want from me. Like basically. So they they let her leave the police station after
00:42:32
Speaker
Acknowledging that she was not going to say a word. Okay. Right. And not long, not long after that, the FBI showed up at Rachel's work and her home and raided it. They took, they raided her. They raided her work. That is absolute. And they raided her heart. They took documentation. They took any documentation that she, like any journal or note, anything that they could even suspect.
00:42:59
Speaker
had information on it, her computers, whatever, anything. How can they raid her when it? Because they were afraid she was going to say something. So she does all the work for three years while they do nothing. Which is hilarious. You can get a warrant for Joe Schmo. But because he's famous.
00:43:23
Speaker
Are you documentation? And he's not even that famous. Let's be honest. We know who he is, but... Be real. Like, you can get a warrant for me over a piece of paper, but I can't get a warrant for you and you are possibly molesting children? There's no possibility. How in the world does that work? How does that work?
00:43:43
Speaker
I don't know that piece of paper, sir, telling you that I believe that this guy is a pedophile. She did. And you can do nothing. And they raid her and he continues to go free with all his money. In a nutshell, pretty much. It's great. It's a good time. I am just outright. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. They got they got the papers. OK, and everything's going to be OK now. Rochelle can be looked at as a criminal for recording somebody without telling them they've been recorded. He can rape.
00:44:13
Speaker
Children, rape children. Right. Isn't that so? Like I want to say the word, but I can't because I said the S-bomb earlier. It's f'ed up, dude. It is f'ed up, dude. It is fact that that is our our justice system work. It's insane. It's insane. Astound. You can arrest me for recording somebody without their knowledge that you knew I was doing that gives you proof.
00:44:40
Speaker
No, even if the FBI didn't know. But they did. They coached her. Yeah. And here's this guy. No, I get, I get, again, their words. But because of the words that he was speaking, you should at least have enough evidence in a word to raid that guy's house and say, I need to see your crap. I want to look at your laptop. I want to see your cell phone. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? OK, but whatever. That's that's my soapbox. Whatever. Right. So.
00:45:10
Speaker
She backed down and it was officially over after they raided her. Right. And took all of her stuff. It was done. It was over because the FBI is not going to use her anymore. And she's just literally. She can't. Yeah, she's done. She emotionally did. Yeah. Are you fracking kidding me? So her relationship with her kids are now strained. You think? OK, she ended up losing her job.
00:45:39
Speaker
Why? Because of the raid? That and the fact that she was diagnosed with PTSD and reflex sympathetic dystrophy, which is also apparently called the suicide disease because it's so painful. Like you just want to die. Look what she's lived through and look at the end results. Yeah. Like she put herself on the line and mentally just
00:46:04
Speaker
tour and and like it does like I know there was a girl I worked with that got really into a bunch of conspiracies which again I love me a good conspiracy but she got deep into and she went like she didn't have a lot of outside contact she wasn't the nicest person you've ever met
00:46:22
Speaker
She literally came into my office one day and was like, Hey, you need to listen to this book I'm listening to. Cause she did a lot of audible books. And I'm like, all right, what is it? And it was basically like, even the title was like eating babies. And I was like, what? And it's like a 50 chapter book about pedophilia and
00:46:41
Speaker
like eating children and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, no, I'm not listening to that. Like she will get sucked into a good conspiracy theory. But like when they start going too far into me. Yeah, it's a detail. Well, but here's that's also it. But that's all she listened to. And she looked like Blake Lively.
00:46:58
Speaker
that went on and she was like, I'm gonna talk about this and it's uncomfortable, but I'm talking about it because it's uncomfortable. So I get that and that totally makes sense. But listening to hours upon hours and that's what she did. You're killing yourself, man. She would listen to the worst of the worst over and over and literally like she went crazy crazy.
00:47:21
Speaker
Like she snapped. So immersing yourself in that and then you're wicked and things that are wicked like that consume people. But you're also when you're into when you're going into this dark, horrible place.
00:47:38
Speaker
You're also pushing away from everyone around you because you're trying to protect them from that place you're going. Right. So you have no one around you to to give you any kind of light or joy or relief and your mind just gets sucked into this dark horribleness and you break like you can't do that. No. And that was one of the things she said. She's like, I can't talk to anybody about this.
00:48:02
Speaker
No, because this is like this super critical, super confidential. Yeah. And to do all of that and you get rated and he gets off scot free. Like that, that is the final straw, my friend. Your kids were subjected to it when your daughter found all your notes. Your kids don't want to be around you. You lost your job. You got freaking rated and he still has had no consequences. But you're like, you had PTSD from everything that happened.
00:48:32
Speaker
You know what I mean? Now, whether or not the other disease took, you know, played into that.
00:48:38
Speaker
That is irrelevant. I don't know. It is. It is crappy. Absolutely. Absolutely crappy. But the PTSD is a real. It's a real thing. Yeah. 100 percent. And it ruins veterans to have to relive things like that. Yeah. It's a real thing. Yeah. And what your mind can do to you, not just somebody else. Yeah. You don't know what the human mindscape. But she's been I mean, she's been clinging to sanity, if you will.
00:49:04
Speaker
for a long time and You're like point where you can't take your physically ill like physically being yeah over the crap that you're hearing
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah. And you're having to pretend to enjoy it. Right. Nope. Not going to do it. I don't have a poker face. You know what? If you're going to arrest me for recording, let's just pump it up to manslaughter. I feel like I did. I did just slit his throat in the hotel room and been done. You're like, all right, son, you can go live with anti-faith now for a while. Come see me when you want to. I love you. I'm a hero. There you go.
00:49:40
Speaker
I was over. Hello. I have the recording where he has to see my kids make it. Yeah. If you need that. Yeah. Oh, no, I can't because the FBI took it. Right. Because they were. And they won't use it. They won't use it because, you know, oh, my. You can molest the kid, but you can't you can't you can't record somebody without the permission. Oh, yeah. Yes. I was awesome. I was going great. And we were having a steak dinner and I was walking to get a bottle of wine. Oop. Slipped over that loose rug. The knife just plunged into his eye socket. Then his neck. What in the world?
00:50:08
Speaker
Does a wine bottle have to do with a rug? I was walking with a steak knife because we were having steak dinner to get the wine bottle to get the wine bottle. OK, I'm sorry. Yeah. And I I slipped and stabbed him 52 times. 52 times? I had a seizure. I had a seizure. Oh, my God. And it was just all right. All right. We're done. So angry. Pull back. Pull back. OK, I'm done. So that was it for Rochelle. She literally
00:50:38
Speaker
Lost her family, lost her health, lost everything, lost her job. She's got nothing and no justice. Now, do you remember the date I told you this all started? 2006.
Jared Fogle's Arrest
00:50:50
Speaker
On July 7th, 2015, police secured a warrant to raid the home of Jared the Subway Guy Fogel. Ugh.
00:50:58
Speaker
And what they found was everything that they needed to convict him as a pedophile. But he is a celebrity. He's not even famous. With money. Right. With money. Subway pulled their endorsement pretty quick, I think. Like the question is, is it going to stick? Right. What finally made them pull the trigger? I need to know that. Well, I will. And I didn't even put this in my notes because I was just going to make you guys watch.
00:51:22
Speaker
No, but apparently I will slip it. It goes into another story that's told in this documentary, and it's literally called Jared, the subway guy. And it's on Discovery Plus. Their sandwiches are delicious. Nothing to do with him. So what made them finally, let's see. That's nine years, nine years after she reported him, six years after they ruined her life.
00:51:46
Speaker
So what made them finally say we've got enough? They catch him in the act. Nine years, they let him continue to hurt kids. Again, you fracking kidding me. Like I said, they had it was two separate stories or well, actually, maybe a couple of stories of what was actually going on. And the other story that was going on was two girls that were being abused by their stepfather. OK, who was the
00:52:14
Speaker
I don't know. He had something to do with the Jared Fogle Foundation, but he was like the high up guy. He did all kind. They were friends. I was going to say shocker, but they were buddies. Yep, they were. And birds of a feather. He actually got caught first. And he turned tell on the bigger name. No, they got his information from his phone and computer and all that that he had been sending child pornography to Jared, which they knew Jared was a pet. Jared almost a decade would. Yeah, Jared, a decade responded.
00:52:43
Speaker
Not the way he should have. Right. They knew he was a pedophile for a decade. Yeah. Are you fracking kidding me? And they let him keep making money off subs. And I don't even give a shit about the subs. They knew he was a pedophile for a decade. But do you know how many he kept going to schools with that? That's my thing is this effort was even traveling to Thailand. Oh, yeah. I bet he was in there again. Like I said, Jared, the subway guy.
00:53:13
Speaker
But that's my thing is because he's because even if Disney Plus, no Discovery Plus, that was a rut row. Sorry. But here's my thing. Even if he's I mean, he's not famous like an actor famous, but it's almost worse, but it's almost worse because kids who watch any kind of kids programming on TV still have commercials.
00:53:35
Speaker
Guess what? That's where he was. But here's you. So they know him. Well, it's not even just that. So when he abused this guy, it's a famous guy on TV. This guy was a success story. He was somebody that people saw his story and they were like, dang, he lost that much. You know what I mean? Like people are attracted to success stories. They're attracted to stories that people are heroes. And you know what I mean? Like that stuff doesn't die out quickly.
00:54:01
Speaker
Like, no, you know what I'm saying? So. But he was primed to hurt children because children even knew who he was because it was a commercial. It's a commercial freak. I don't even know what that's a reference from, to be honest with you. Pretty sure it's Austin Powers. It's a television. OK, yeah, it's Austin Powers. And I shouldn't have done that. I anyways. So he pled guilty. Shocker.
00:54:30
Speaker
A decade later and I'm so angry on her behalf. He got 15 years That's it. And that is the American justice system Barely do you even serve or did he just serve the time that he already walked free that they knew he was it They should be putting jail as well. I'm sorry hard stance. I'm gonna be honest with you I didn't even look to see like when his release date is I'll hear you look it up while I sit here and chat for a second
00:54:58
Speaker
So you have this one woman who was willing to lose every single thing in her life and did and she still could not take down a celebrity for being a pedo. I mean, guys. OK, you get sentenced for murder for taking somebody's life, right? And you can do a life sentence for taking that life. But when a kid. But that's what I'm saying. When a kid.
00:55:28
Speaker
goes through something like that, you're taking their life. You're taking their innocence. You're taking everything that it means to have individuality and figure out who it is you are and what you want to be by exposing them to something that they shouldn't be exposed to. But that doesn't mean anything. And the charges that come off with that
00:55:49
Speaker
is so it's a slap on the frickin wrist, man. It's a slap on the wrist, Faith. Yeah, he is still in prison. He is, according to USA Today, his projected release dates March 24th, which is tomorrow, 2029. 2029. All right. And that's according to February 13th, 2023.
00:56:12
Speaker
Like I really hope that Tyrone has gotten into him like hard. Okay. Or Steve. I don't know why Steve was there. It just went. So let me ask you the question, Faith, the beginning question. How much would you be willing to sacrifice to do the right thing? I don't, here's the deal. I'm gonna be very honest with you here. Um, I think what Rochelle did was amazing admirable.
00:56:39
Speaker
But I also am painfully aware of the justice system, and that celebrities literally can get away with anything, and money talks in America. So if I'm gonna sacrifice to do the right thing, I'm putting them down. Like a rabid frickin' dog, because that's what he is. Like, if I'm gonna give up years of my life, it's gonna be so I can say, yeah, I took out a child predator. I'm sorry.
00:57:07
Speaker
because she what she did was hang faith. What she did was for normally I'm the crazy person. But what she did was for not. He's talking about looking at her kids naked. Yeah.
00:57:18
Speaker
Oh, my God, right then, if I got to climb through the phone and did it for like the ringstone. Yeah. But I mean, I was a TV to say tomato tomato tomato tomato. But I mean, she gave up so much for literally nothing because they didn't even use her evidence. No, they use nothing. She was literally mentally abused for three years by the US government and nothing. Yeah. By the government.
00:57:46
Speaker
Because they're not going to, I mean, so that's my thing is, I think what she did was admirable, admirable. But if you're going to give up a portion of your life, take down a child predator, I'm going to go ahead and take the hard stance, take them down. Well, and here's my thing too is like, there was another, like after he got arrested, and again, I'm going to share a little bit more of what I know from memory about, about watching this documentary, but she
00:58:10
Speaker
Like her friend called her and was like, you got to turn the news on. Because at this point, she already said stuff. OK. Yeah. Probably just to her friends. Never said anything on the radio. Right. Because nobody wants a bullet in the face. Right. Yeah. So she turns the TV on. She sees what's going on. She sees that he's getting rated. I bet she just started sobbing hysterically. I thought I would know she did one better. She called the local news station and was like, hey, I've been involved in this since 2006.
00:58:39
Speaker
And here's no hold on. Here's my information. Here's what I know. Call me back if you're interested. Right. So the the person in charge of that station was like, all right, well, I want to give it to this guy. And so the reporter was like, I'm going to do my due diligence and I'm going to check her references. I'm going to see, you know, he literally his first thought was it's just some crazy person looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
00:59:07
Speaker
And that's what pisses me off. It's no different than the hot mic on USA America. When everything finally broke with Epstein and the, we'll just say the Prince and everything else. And Epstein was finally, and there was that one, I believe it was USA, I'm not USA America, I'm not sure, but it was a morning, like it was a news show. And this girl, one of the hosts is going off and she's like, we had him.
00:59:37
Speaker
I had him 10 years ago, I had all of this and I was totally shut up and they wouldn't let me publish it. And I knew all of this, but nobody knew who he was and nobody cared. And now that's everywhere on social media, but it's no different. If you have got money and connections or even the hint of fame, you can legit get away with murder.
01:00:02
Speaker
But I mean, honestly, if you if you look at the criminal justice system, the way that it's set up, when you talk about sex crimes against men, women, children, the sentences aren't even bad. You get more for having like a, you know, dime bag of marijuana. Yeah. Or recording someone without their permission. That's absolutely absurd. But so she got the phone call, she turned it on. The guy, you know, she called the station. They're like, here's what I've got.
01:00:32
Speaker
He did his due diligence. He called around with a lot of sources and he was like, honestly, I feel like I believe her. His first instinct was she's a cray cray person. And so he was the one that broke the story first that Jared was a pedophile.
01:00:50
Speaker
She should have gone public earlier. Because quite frankly, all it takes is one person going public and they come out of the woodwork. You put you put your. Yeah. But then, you know, the cops are like, well, he's going to be afraid. He's going to run. Then you do. Well, here's the deal, Faith. You have to worry about lawsuit. Yeah. Because all of the crap that she recorded is admissible. Right. You can't use it for anything. So now she's over here making accusations about him being a pedo. And all it takes for him is to call his lawyer and be like slander.
01:01:20
Speaker
Right. And then she gets sued and here, you know, like she doesn't have any evidence anymore. Thanks to the government because they took it. Here's the quarter in my pocket, but he'd take everything. But at least it's out there because once it's out there, it's out there. Yeah. But who would do that to their kid? I said that in my stage. I couldn't do that to my kid.
01:01:39
Speaker
I don't know. The fact that he has access to so many kids. The route that she took was a good route to take. But she just got so screwed. But three years to me, I'd have been I'd have been out with like three months. And then you just sit there for six years. Yeah. Like three months, bro. Like what are you doing? Because if if this isn't going anywhere, I'm done. Like you have a family to raise. I've got it. Exactly. It's worth it. I think that's exactly where she was at.
01:02:06
Speaker
Like you believe in it. It's worth it. Yeah. And to dedicate three years of your life to that for all to be not you lose everything. Continue to see his smug, smarmy face on the television. Yeah. See the subway restaurants everywhere, because even though the subway wasn't responsible for him, it's a reminder of him. And you can't tell me when the first that first guy that was like part of the Fogo Foundation got arrested for
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, child pornography and all that jazz. Like it was actually even a quote in there, like when one of the guys said in the documentary, he was like, you have to know those executives were like, please God.
01:02:45
Speaker
don't let Fogle be involved in this. Like, you know. The thing that pisses me off, I guess, is that, you know, number one, they made this woman do this for three years, which she's a freaking saint. And then she loses everything. And she's a citizen. Yeah, they don't they don't help her at all when she has this breakdown. They basically raid her, make sure she loses everything. So she's a crazy person and cut her out to dry.
01:03:11
Speaker
It was this started in 2006. So when this ended, it's 2009. You're you're seriously going to tell me you couldn't set up some kind of online thing to get the evidence you need against him. Like there was no way 2000. That's what I'm saying. It was 2009. It's not like.
01:03:27
Speaker
It weren't 80s or 90s where the internet's not thing, but that's what I'm saying They could have they could have set up the parameters in a legal way to catch him and to get the information they need But they didn't they let him continue to go from school to school town to town and prey on children You sit absolutely and you can watch all of these movies right all these old-timey movies with uh, even know even nowadays right where they place a bug and
01:03:54
Speaker
And they can listen to people's conversations like for mob dealers and all. Yeah. Mob dealers. That's not what I meant to say. But mobsters, you know, and they can listen in on our conversation without telling them that being listened to. Yeah. Right. But that's what you can't tape it. Like what the what does that even mean? My thing is you couldn't come up with a way in nine years to bust him when you knew he was a pedophile. You knew he was. There wasn't a doubt in your mind. You knew it.
01:04:21
Speaker
And then here's when she's sitting there confessing to him that this this stuff's going on. Right now. OK, we can't prosecute him in a different country.
Critique of FBI's Inaction
01:04:32
Speaker
Right. Because in different countries, some of them, they don't care. Right. But at what point do you not put your own investigator in with this guy on the cover?
01:04:43
Speaker
and be like, hey, man, here's what's happening. By the way, you're under arrest, right? That's what I'm saying. You let it go on for a year shy of a decade when you could have you had the information you needed. You had the name, the person. Obviously, he's not keeping this real close to the vest. If the first time he meets a pretty lady, he's like, I like children.
01:05:05
Speaker
Do you know what I mean? Like, there was nothing you could think of in your little brains for nine years instead of just let him walk free and hurt children. Well, and then I'm sitting here thinking they're like, oh, well, you know, CFBI, they've got other things to worry about, like serial killers and and and, you know, warfare. A prolific child rapist. That's not on our radar. Yeah, that's like last. Yeah, that's like last. Absolutely. Because it was it was 2004 was Katrina. Right.
01:05:33
Speaker
, and
01:05:54
Speaker
So I feel like it's always just like, you know, Trina was in 2005. Five. I thought it happened after we got married, but we were still dating when my friends came up from Louisiana. But you I mean, you're telling me that happened. OK, A, that happened before she even went.
01:06:11
Speaker
2006 to 2009. Yeah. Or even when she was there, then from 2006 to 2015, there wasn't one time you had like, you know, 30 minutes to set up a fake young girl in a chat room to lure him. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's not even just that you can't tell me you should have gone to how to you don't have like a couple of minutes to just be like, hey, I'm going to put you on this guy for a sting. I want you to follow him and see what he's doing. Yeah.
01:06:40
Speaker
Now, I can honestly say we're never going to hear what the FBI did and how they were and they could have done a lot of stuff. There's again, I my my grandfather, but it still gets us. Yeah, it gets us pissy because a lot of stuff. I have a lot of respect for for the police officers and government officials.
01:06:59
Speaker
But do your dang job. Yeah. Letting up the prolific, high profile pedicure go free for nine years when you know for a fact is not okay.
Power of Wealth and Fame
01:07:11
Speaker
Well, Faith, I mean, like realistically. You can't stage a car accident and cut some breaks.
01:07:15
Speaker
Yeah, like realistically you accuse a teacher like oh, yeah, they never teach and I could have like no proof No, nothing and just say I think this kid this guy's molesting my kid and he's done Yeah, his life is life is over but he's not famous and he doesn't have money exactly That's that's that's the bottom line If you've got money or any type of thing or even rub elbows with famous people you can get away with frackin murder
01:07:41
Speaker
And kids just don't matter. And it is a hot button for me. It is a hot button for me. Like, it pisses me off so bad. So what? Okay, I need to know what happened to Rochelle. Go watch the documentary. You know I'm gonna beat you into death with this microphone. Into death or just... So I will be like quite deaf just into it. Lisa.
01:08:04
Speaker
I'm asking a question. I'm not going to go to the water zoo with you this weekend if you do not tell me. The water zoo. Caleb keeps saying we're going to the zoo and I'm like no we're not. We're going to the water zoo. So I said at least call the water zoo. It's pretty much a zoo. Because I told him I said it's the aquarium. He's like oh yeah then he went right back to call the zoo and I said at least call the water zoo. But there's no differentiating that it doesn't even matter.
01:08:23
Speaker
Tell me what happened to her. Is she OK now? Did she like bounce back? Her she still watched the documentary. You're just getting her son moved away. He's in a different country. Oh, he's actually in the documentary. And he said that he's proud of his mom for what she did. I was going to say hindsight with adults like. But the daughters have no idea. Mm. But she's also the one that took the brunt end of it. So that sucks.
01:08:54
Speaker
How is how is she doing? Like, how did she seem in the documentary? Honestly, emotional, like recounting everything that happened. And then like once it was over, I honestly think like for her, it's not enough, you know. No. Oh, that sucks for her. I hate that for her. And all the kids. And literally laying in bed feeling like crap when I watch that documentary. And I was so amazed that like
01:09:21
Speaker
You have different people that are willing to sacrifice for different reasons.
01:09:25
Speaker
You've got like army guys that'll go out into a war and sacrifice their life, like their actual life.
Sacrifices for Passion
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah. Cops that'll do the same thing. And then random citizens who will sacrifice their time and sacrifice their family or sacrifice. You know what I mean? Like everybody is always held to a different standard, but the reality of it is, guys, like we all have that tipping point where we're willing to sacrifice something to do the right thing. We all have a cause that we're like, we're you're passionate about. Yeah.
01:09:55
Speaker
I just have a lot of them. It's not. If I was in her situation again, almost I was in that situation, I wouldn't even know. But I don't know. Like I said, so that. My thing is, I mean, how much how much longer was she supposed to put her life on hold and continue to lose everything with no results? Yeah. Like you go to bed every night after having these horrific conversations, these mental images and know that he is free to prey on children tomorrow.
01:10:25
Speaker
Like he keeps doing it right now. What you're doing isn't doing a dang bit of difference. It's not being like it's literally it's nothing. Yeah. Like you're trying your hardest, but you don't have the authority to make it stop. And the people that do are just using you and not not using the information you're giving them. Yeah. And I think what got to me the most was that all this stuff happened. She lost everything.
01:10:51
Speaker
And that was just the end of her story. Like that was it. There was no. But because of what she did, he got arrested. No, no. It wasn't like that at all. He lived another six years to hurt people. And then it was happened to stance that he got arrested because my friend was careless. Yeah, because his friend was careless.
01:11:10
Speaker
And they knew about it. That's what makes me mad. They knew about it the whole time. You can't tell me there wasn't a way to catch him and what you needed to catch him in. Put someone in as his assistant that went with him on these things that would gain us to do something instead of. And it's the government's not they don't have the power to do so. Instead of taking they could just be like, hey, I'm going to put you on leave for six months and this person is going to take your job.
01:11:36
Speaker
And that civilian is going to be like, even I get to vacation for six months. Cool. I mean, I mean, we spend money on all kinds of crap. I just and to destroy her, let her life be destroyed and not lift a finger and her get nothing
Justice System Failures
01:11:54
Speaker
in return. No, you want to talk about retribution real quick. They need to give her some of her life back.
01:12:00
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like... You can't give her back the years she lost to their kids. You can't give her back the relationship she lost with her daughter. You can't give her back some of the money she lost after she lost her job because you're arrogant, stupid butt-munches. Yeah. And you just take what you want. But that is... No.
01:12:19
Speaker
And I know like when I when I chose to do this podcast, I did not want to tell his side of the story because F him. Oh, yeah. Like you're a crap. It said like I made a mistake was his statement. Oh, how many times do you make that mistake there, brah?
01:12:37
Speaker
I know I made a mistake. Like I knew I knew that he was a pedophile. I was all over the it was everybody. Oh, yeah. I mean, everybody knew that. Yeah. After after it all came out. Right. Yeah. And you told me literally two weeks ago. Did you know about the subway guy? I'm watching this thing. I think I'm going to do my next thing. I completely forgot about it. I'm literally racking my brain the whole time until I was like, oh, my God. I know who it is. But her like.
01:13:02
Speaker
You never hear about her. No. Or at least again, you're looking at times where you and I were younger and had lives before we started doing like true crime crazy. Yeah. But that was this is our prime SVU days. Right. This is not a crime SVU days. No, this was because it was it was when Frankie and I were dating. Yeah.
01:13:21
Speaker
That is. And all of that was going on. Nobody knew. Yeah. Nobody knew a thing. The fact that they let it continue for nine years. Again, again, Faith, I could accuse a guy or a woman of being. Oh, yeah. Inappropriate with children. Right. And they'll never work their job at a school. Mm hmm. And then you've got this guy who's legitimately doing it, accused.
01:13:47
Speaker
No, that's the problem. He was never accused in public. He was accused to the FBI. In secret. They don't accuse them in public faith. They go to the cops, fill out their forms, right? And then they pick them up. But see, there's a difference. There is the biggest difference is if we're talking like I'm accusing Coach Smith at ABC Elementary, I'm allowed.
01:14:16
Speaker
I am telling the PTA, I'm screaming it to the news station. I'm telling anybody that can listen, that man defiled my daughter, being loud about it. I'm telling everybody he's going to pay. Frankie is probably at ABC Elementary trying to beat him up. We're loud. We're making noise. Everyone knows this guy heard a kid and everyone around is going to stand up and say never again. Locally. Whether it's true or not. Yes, locally. Locally. Jared was never publicly accused until he was accused.
01:14:44
Speaker
And everything topped up like a house of cards because once it's out there, you can't put it back in. That's why when people are unfairly accused, it does suck because that sticks most with them forever. But he was a monster and they kept it quiet so no one knew. If they had shouted it because of his fame and because he wasn't like a real famous person,
01:15:10
Speaker
Yeah. You know what I mean? He was a commercial. He wasn't, you know, like a blockbuster star. Yeah. So people would have gone banana sandwiches. Yeah. To to get him taken down because that they quite frankly, they have the power, quote unquote, to take him down. And he's not because he's not that famous. I just can't see because somebody didn't put up a fight like they were out like, bye bye. I honestly like realistically,
01:15:39
Speaker
OK. Like if we're going to play this secretive game and we can't do a B and C to record somebody or whatever. Right. Right. The FBI heard these tapes. They hear the fact that this guy is twisted. OK. So.
01:15:55
Speaker
Why at that point would they not have just gone to Subway and said that's my thing. There were so many. This is this is not OK. This is what you're. And I'm pretty sure that if you don't dump this guy, like it's going to affect you. Right. Stop him.
Inaction and Public Outcry
01:16:11
Speaker
Take away some of the power. If she had. Here's the thing that kind of bothers me. I'm beyond back to my analogy of why it took so long and the locals versus
01:16:22
Speaker
if she had shouted it out on her radio station and just said, screw the consequences, I'm living with them daily, how do you think it would have played out?
01:16:31
Speaker
It could have played out one of two ways, honestly, some people, right? It's just like a good conspiracy theory. Some people are going to believe it. Other people are going to think you're whacked. But he would have not been allowed back in schools. They wouldn't let him continue going in schools and talking. You don't know that. I don't know. All you all she could have said was, yeah, listen to this was what this freak show said to me. But when she had the tape, she had proof. So what put me in jail? I've got proof. Yeah. But again, what are you going to do? Are you going to bring me to a court of law to examine my proof? Yeah. No.
01:17:01
Speaker
that would. And because all everything would be irrelevant from them as it did Amber Heard. Yeah. Well, and again, like I said.
01:17:10
Speaker
She had a family to think about. She was a single mother. But she already sacrificed it. I'm not saying that she should have done that. I'm just saying. I think in her mind, in her mind, logically, she's still around. I think she's still there to take care of them. She's just trying to salvage her life. I don't I don't fault her for dang things she did. I think she did more than she was needed to do since the government would do anything.
01:17:31
Speaker
But I'm saying, do you think the public outcry if it had been made public? Well, an anonymous tip. Hold on, though. How many celebrities can we think of off the top of our head?
01:17:45
Speaker
that we've seen a Facebook thing about that have been accused of being inappropriate, right? No, we still haven't seen people don't care. Well, but it's not that people don't care. It's that it's so belittled and so like pressed down that they make you feel stupid for even thinking it.
01:18:05
Speaker
And I think that's why people like, you know, people like a conspiracy theory. Well, it's OK. Think about it logically. Right. You have someone and you're like, I saw Bigfoot. You and then you put that person, you put that person on the news and people are a crazy person. Right. Like I'm trying to be I'm trying to be honest. I mean, and that it's kind of real life. Yeah.
01:18:31
Speaker
I just want to think that we'll do better and we don't. No, not even a little bit, especially when it comes to this. Because that's my like, I mean, there's a lot of things to get me. It doesn't take much to get me worked up. Let's be honest. Yeah. It doesn't take much to get me up on a soapbox. Kids do it every time.
Societal Normalization Issues
01:18:50
Speaker
The fact that they're not protected more. The fact that I have to take away my child's innocence.
01:18:56
Speaker
to teach her how to protect herself. Yeah. Because you're going to protect the monster. That's correct. Absolutely. Oh, my God. That could not have been said better. But it's the truth. It's what we live with. But now we're we're living in a generation, Faith, where we're almost desensitizing them to that fact. And then one of the things that she. OK, we're recording again. It just started. I didn't click at that time. Yeah, you're the best. You're awesome. All right. So at one point during the conversations that Jared and Rochelle were having.
01:19:25
Speaker
he was like basically teaching her how to groom kids. Okay. Are you one of the things that he said to her was, well, just start talking about sex in front. You know what I mean? It's basically saying, make it norm, make it your normal. Right. And then all I can see is all this craziness going on right now with normalizing, like that kind of behavior.
01:19:52
Speaker
And I'm just sitting here thinking like all of our kids are being groomed by the TV because it's not normal for a 10 year old to know that much about sex. No, not even a little bit. But if it's normalized to them and they think it's, it's normal and that it's okay to think those things and it's okay to perform those things, like it's like, holy crap. It was, it was literally a, like a peering into a window
01:20:18
Speaker
of somebody's evil, twisted mind. Go for the go for the girl that has the broken home. Talk to them about sex. Talk to them about performing sex and what that means. Like it was a lot. It's crazy. And to the effect of what like what you were saying is it's you're trying to protect your kid's innocence. But you can't do both. No.
01:20:40
Speaker
You have to prepare them for the real world because the real world and the people who are in position to protect them don't. Example A, the past hour, 20 minutes. In a nutshell. Well, I am angry. I feel bad for this poor woman who literally destroyed her life for nothing. Yeah. For fucking nothing. Trying to do the right thing. Yeah. To no avail. Wow.
Systemic Failures in Child Protection
01:21:08
Speaker
Like her crowns are going to be in heaven and that's about it. That's that's absurd. Yay, America. Sorry. Yeah, you've you've brought me down. I did it again now. I'm not as mad as the last time because at least he did get put in jail and he'll get the prisoner justice system in there. Yeah.
01:21:31
Speaker
as opposed to just four measly months, but yeah, that wasn't great. Nothing makes me more uncomfortable than doing stories about kids. Yeah, I know you hate that. That's why it took you so long. Well, here's the deal. The more I think about that kind of crap and the more like chew on that information, if more people talked about it and made it real life, maybe there'd be some sort of consequence.
01:21:58
Speaker
Not even a consequence, but making parents more aware of the fact that like, it's being normalized. It's just how, how are we going to normalize it in America? Are we going to normalize it as kids or sexual beings? Absolutely. Not on my watch. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you right now, anybody comes at my kid, I'll do my life. I'll do my life sentence. I don't, I don't care with a smile on my face. Yep.
01:22:22
Speaker
I'll be the queen of that prison yard. You want to stick a needle in my arm? Go for it, buddy. Because my dying words are going to be like, I'd do it again. You know what I mean? This is where that one Brazilian guy comes into play. We need to.
01:22:37
Speaker
We need to sneak this guy into the prison system. Just let him have his way with these people. Because he would. The real life Dexter. Yeah, we need him in all the in all the prisons where pedophiles are kept and let him just, you know. I mean, like how many things can you possibly diagnose as being a disease? You know what I mean? Like, oh, it's not abnormal.
01:23:02
Speaker
for somebody to be a pedophile. It's a disease. Come on, man.
01:23:08
Speaker
OK, I got just super off track. OK, I just can't. And if it comes to pedophilia, I will never be on board. No, I will never sign a document. I will never, ever say that I think it's OK. No. And as a matter of fact, you better never come knocking at my door because you're going to be met with something very, very important. Well, that was an episode. It was an episode. It was an episode.
01:23:36
Speaker
I still can't understand why you want me to be involved in this podcast, but dude, we're good. I question my life choices all the time because you love me. I'm the only one that will put up with you. Two story. The end. The end. All right, guys. Well, that was that. I was that. Oh, you guys have a great night. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe go watch some cartoons or something or just any kind of anything to get your mind off it. Go read some Harry Potter or
01:24:03
Speaker
You know, Twilight or something. I don't know. I don't know what you're into. Way to take it back to the time frame the story was in. Uh huh. I kind of did. All right. Well, we are going to be gone. I'm going to go cuddle some ducks. Oh, and then see the duckies. They're so cute. I want you
Sandwich Preferences Finale
01:24:21
Speaker
to see the ducks. I'm going to get dinner on the way home and it will not be a sandwich of any kind. So definitely not from Subway.
01:24:29
Speaker
I like Subway sandwiches. I do too. You know what sandwiches I love? It ain't Subway's fault. No. Quiznos. And you can't get it quickly. They took them away, man. No. I loved Quiznos. The roasted red pepper turkey sandwich was the best. Yeah, their Italian was kind of phenom. All the good sandwich places leave.
01:24:46
Speaker
Anyway, well, because it's Tennessee and there are no good. Like there's like we still have to go try Kelly's. Yeah, but it closes it like. Who does that? I'm not going to wait at that point in the weekends. They must be doing good financially because are not. They can't pay people to say they can't be valid either way. All right. All right. Yeah. Well, we're going to talk about food off the air because that's not why you tune in. And I hope you guys have a great week. But maybe it kind of is be delightful.
01:25:36
Speaker
Y'all have a great night. Bye.