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HOLIDAY - The Tiede Family Christmas Massacre
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Christmas is a time for family, friends & remembering those you love. In the story we tell tonight, the holiday represented loss, fear, unbelievable actions as well as bravery. This story reminds us what is important. Hope you all enjoy the telling of this tale, hug your families tight, and have a Merry Christmas!
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Introduction & Holiday Cheer
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello and thanks for tuning in to Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And we are here to wish you a very Merry Christmas. Super Christmas Day. Because that's at the end of the week. Theme of the week.
Holiday Humor & Preparations
00:00:18
Speaker
Yep. So are you are you you're not done with your Christmas shopping? I'm all wrapped and I've got everything. I mean, I'm not even wrapping. Well, I'm just a loser. You just hoping someone else does it for you? That would be great. Or just kind of hide everything under a blanket and then it's just one big like.
00:00:36
Speaker
Well, you could be like your dad and make people wrap their own presents. I did that several first years here. It's not his fault. He was clever. Well, I hope you guys are all done with your Christmas shopping and ready to enjoy the holidays. But I'm sure there'll be last minute stuff for all of us. Always. I'm always stressed with the holidays, man. There's always one more thing to do. There's always one more thing to do. And you always think it's like probably super duper important when in reality not properly as much.
00:01:05
Speaker
Yeah, but still I like I have to win. I feel like if the day if I wake up that day and I make it out of my pajamas, it's a win. No, if I make it out of my pajamas, it's a loss. I like my pajamas.
Introduction to True Crime Story
00:01:19
Speaker
Yoga pants, stretchy pants. All right. Well, today we are we are we're going to do an episode with a obviously Christmas theme just to keep the holiday in mind.
00:01:33
Speaker
And again, this is a true crime podcast, so I think we all know. Watch yourself. Yeah. Are you ready, Lisa? Oh, Faith, I'm always ready for your lovely, harmonious, happy ending stories.
00:01:50
Speaker
um bt dubs okay so real real quick okay did you know bt dubs isn't a thing i said bt dubs like i say it all the time and people give me weird looks but it's people i work with so i assume they were old and then my little assistant who um turned 30 yesterday happy birthday d but i said bt dubs and she's like what does that mean and i was like what
00:02:14
Speaker
She's young enough to know. So I text Mike and Zach, I voice text them, my brothers, and I'm like, BTW, is BT dubs one of those stupid things YouTube make up and I think is common vernacular? And it's not. And they were like, well, yeah, BTW is common, but we made up the dub part. So I thought it was a thing. I was the dumb one. Like, I thought everybody knew what it meant.
00:02:39
Speaker
Well, I've been around you long enough. I know what it means. Yes. But that reminded me of that. So one more quick story and then I'll jump into the story. Oh, great. So it's Christmas themed, though. So it's OK. And it's kind of funny. If you don't like it, I apologize. But so the other morning, my my my first grader looks at me and we're getting ready for school. And she said, Mom,
00:03:03
Speaker
Do you know what? So what Bella? She goes, it's such a good thing that Santa remembers to put on his pants before he leaves to deliver presents. And I'm like, do we need to have a talk? Why do you think an old fat man should be not wearing pants? And I was like, well, what do you mean? She goes, it's just a really good thing he remembers to put on his pants before he leaves.
00:03:27
Speaker
Miss Bella, why would he forget to put on his pants? She said, Mom, do you know how old Santa is? And I said, well, I mean, she starts talking about droopy balls. I
The Tiede Family's Christmas
00:03:39
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said, no, no, I said, well, I said, yeah, he's old. And she goes, no, do you know how long Santa's been around? And I was like, no, how long? And she goes, Mom, since the 80s.
00:03:55
Speaker
And I sat there for a minute and digested I said you know your dad was born in the 80s cuz I'm not gonna throw myself under the bus Her jaw hit the floor and Frankie walked in and she was She just looked at him like how are you still alive? Oh my gosh, I was like anyway, so because he's so old he can't remember cuz he's from the 80s and
00:04:25
Speaker
Well, I mean, well, when your husband groans every time he tries to tie a shoelace, I can kind of understand where she comes from. Yeah, so I thought that was funny. But anyway, all right, well, let's get on to the story. So everybody has holiday traditions with their family. Some our friends are, you know, whatever. Like our family goes on a trip at the first of every year right after Christmas. Everybody, we have friends that come. Everybody comes. Whoever wants to come can come. More the merrier.
00:04:55
Speaker
So I want to tell you a story today about a family who has a tradition that was beautiful and obviously went terribly, terribly wrong. So we all know I'm bad with pronunciation, so if I miss, miss, miss pronounce their last name, I apologize. But I am going to tell you. It's always fun to listen, though. I know. I'm going to tell you a story about the Tiede family. T-I-E-D-E. Tiede. Tiede. T-I-E-D-E. Tiede.
00:05:26
Speaker
I don't know, it's not important. The TA Day family. That's how I'm pronouncing it. Ooh, I can't even say words. I gotta say the words, guys! Yeah, the whole thing was bad there. That was awesome. Alright, so the TA Day family was one of those families. The main focal points of the story are- That's why I tried to YouTube some of this stuff to see if it exists out there. I did, but other- It's solely for the pronunciation. I heard a lot of different ones.
00:05:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just saying that's that's my secret. Any kind of verbal documentary, like somebody else butchers it, then I'm just re butchering it for them now. They know that I'm barely functioning intelligence, so it's OK. All right, so they this family owned a cabin up in the mountains of Oakley, Utah, and this is where the family would come together to spend Christmas and celebrate and back to the states quick. Mm hmm. I am back in the state, yes.
00:06:22
Speaker
That's awesome. So, and I'm not talking like just the immediate family like cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents, they'd all pile in this cabin and just make memories together, right? Right. And this cabin is deep in the middle of nowhere. The family cherished the time they spent here. They were isolated from the rural rural
00:06:40
Speaker
Oh my gosh. The real world. The real world and all the problems and they were just able to be present with each other and just spend time together. So our story begins December 22nd, 1990.
00:06:56
Speaker
So not even that long ago. In my mind, it's 10 years ago, and that's how we're just going to keep it. Yep. So Kay and Rolf Tierra went to get the cabin ready for all their family to arrive. They got there about a week before Christmas. They aired out the cabin. They cleaned all the linens, made the beds, put all the presents wrapped underneath the tree after they decorated the whole place like they got. They did the dang thing.
00:07:20
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And basically they just, they filled it with Christmas magic for all the family to come and just enjoy. They had two teenage daughters that were going to come up a few days later with the rest of the family and join them. So that's where we're at.
00:07:33
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Now, I mentioned that this cabin was secluded kind of middle of nowhere, but I'm not talking like my parents old lake house, like where you go down like a mile long road, you know, with the where I'm talking. You had to park your vehicle at the bottom of the mountain and take a snowmobile two miles up to get to the cabin. OK, because it's secluded. Oh, yeah, it's it is secluded. You can't even get a car up there when the snow because of the mountain and stuff.
Intruders & Hostage Situation
00:08:01
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So on the 22nd, the family that was, that had arrived, Rolf, and it isn't Ralph, it is Rolf. Rolf Kay and their two daughters, Grandma Beth was there waiting on everybody else to get there. And they just- I like that you automatically assumed I was just going to call you out so you had to correct it and say, it is Rolf, not Ralph. It's, it's, it's just, it's me. I just thought it was funny. So, you know. So they all get there, they're all at the cabin.
00:08:30
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and they're, you know, a few days before Christmas, so they decide to go into town and get food, drinks, marionette, whatever, you know, just stock up the cabin that when everybody gets there, everybody's there and they can stay.
00:08:44
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Her mom Beth, along with Kay's oldest teenage daughter, and I am so sorry, so sorry. I'm probably gonna mispronounce this as well, but it's Linnae, L-I-N-E-A, Linnae. Yeah, no, that's right. I think it sounds right. I spelled it phonetically so I wouldn't mispronounce it and that messed me up because I was looking at it and I was like, that's not her name. That's not her name. I'm dumb.
00:09:09
Speaker
So they finished shopping a little bit before the others and they said, you know what? We're going to go ahead and head back to the cabin with all this stuff. You finish up checking out what you're going to do and you come meet us. So the three ladies get all their bags of food and drinks and they go up the mountain in the snowbill. Snowmobile. I can't speak for crap. This is really happening. Oh, in real time. I'm not even going to edit any of it out. Merry Christmas to all. Oh, watch your mouth. Well, I will edit out bad words.
00:09:38
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So anyway, so they parked the snowmobile at the cabin and Lene being a typical 15 16 year old girl had Not really thought through everything and left her gloves at the cabin that morning. So between shopping all day Riding the snowmobile up two miles. Her fingers are like so She tells her mom. Hey, I'm gonna run to the cabin really quick I'm gonna grab my gloves and I'll come out and I'll help you with all the bags and Her mom's like fine. Whatever go
00:10:07
Speaker
So Lene runs inside and as she's like looking around for gloves, because who knows where you throw those things. You can only ever find one pair, like one side. There's never two gloves. It's always just the one. So she's looking around for gloves and out of her corner of her eye. Yes, the dryer eats them, I swear. Anyways. Sorry, I got bitter about that for a second. I did too. And really silent, like soft.
00:10:35
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So, as Lene is looking around for her other glove, out of the corner of her eye, she sees a shadow dart behind the fridge. Well, she knows exactly what it is. Her aunt and uncle and her little cousins have shown up, and one of her little cousins has decided to be a little prankster and scare her. So, as any self-respecting older cousin does, you got to get them first. No question.
00:11:00
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like screw the gloves, screw mom and grandma outside with the groceries in the snow. I'm, I got to scare the little crap head and teach them a lesson. I'm smarter, I'm older. So she goes in the kitchen and she sneaks up to the fridge. And as she's about to like, rah or whatever you do to scare them. Right, right. All this. This is why we don't record it in where you can see what we do.
00:11:30
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But before Lene... I'm struggling today hard. We're not recording our normal time. It's really throwing me off. What can I say? So she's walking up to the kitchen, kind of giggling, laughing, like trying to be quiet about it because she really wants to get it because she spotted it.
00:11:55
Speaker
And so she goes to the refrigerator, but before she can do anything to scare this little boy, a man steps out from beside the fridge. He's wearing a gray sweater, has frizzy hair, and he has a gun pointed at her face. So she's terrified. She has no idea who this is. This is not someone they know. Right. And all of this happens in just a few seconds.
00:12:24
Speaker
She's trying to process what the heck and in that time her mother Kay and grandmother Beth can be heard walking into the cabin towards the kitchen as She's frozen with fear Kay and Beth walk into the kitchen carrying all their food like all their bags of food and groceries at the same moment another man pops out of nowhere Wearing a thick like really thick those old-school like coke bottle glasses and he has a gun pointed at Kay
00:12:56
Speaker
So Kay, the mother, sees what's happening. Her daughter's being held at gunpoint and it's like in a movie, it's one of those slow mo where the bags drop to the ground and things like roll out and you can hear the heartbeat.
00:13:11
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So she immediately starts bargaining
Tragic Events & Survival
00:13:14
Speaker
with them. I don't know why you're here, but I'll do whatever you want. Please don't hurt us. Literally, whatever you say, I'll do it. I'll do it. But before Kay can even continue begging for the life of herself, her mother, her daughter, without any hesitation, without any thought, without a single freaking care, this man shoots Beth in the head.
00:13:38
Speaker
Kay falls to the ground and the man turns his gun and, I'm sorry, Kay, the mother falls to the ground. She's only got shot. Right. So as Kay falls to the ground, the man turns the gun on Beth, the grandmother, and just pulls the trigger again. Bam! No nothing. No words. No, just gone. Lynne watched as her grandmother gasped for air once or twice and then lay dead next to her mother on the ground.
00:14:06
Speaker
So this little girl has to be frozen in shock and literally just watching as her mother and grandmother's bodies lay there in blood pools around them, right there at her feet. While she's trying, I'm sure, to process this, she feels something cold and hard pressed in the middle of her back, realizing they've put the gun on her.
00:14:33
Speaker
So this is the moment I'm assuming if it were me, you come to realize your dad and your sister are on their way. Like they're going to show up any moment. You just watched your mom and grandmother be literally just no, just shot. Like they were nothing. Like nothing. If your dad and sister get here, you're going to have to watch the rest of your family die in front of you. So
00:15:04
Speaker
And that's to say, if they don't kill you first, you have a gun in your back. So as a 16 year old, I can't imagine like I thought you said she was 15, 15, 16. Okay. I heard some 15, some 16. So more 16 than 15, but I just always try to, you know, play on the side of caution by 15, 16.
00:15:24
Speaker
Notice when I do ages, I usually give two numbers just to be safe. Yeah. Yeah. It could be anywhere between three and 40 when this happened. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I can't I can't imagine being that old and watching that and not like what do you do? You've got two grown men with guns just murdered half your family. Yeah. And they've got you. Yeah.
00:15:51
Speaker
So at that age, oh, no idea. It's like fight or flight. It depends literally on what your instinct is. Here's the deal. I think that. OK, I we've all heard fight or fight all our whole lives. Yeah, I can't speak, guys. I'm sorry. So I think that there's a third option, which is what I would fall to is literally frozen in fear, not moving, barely breathing. Right. Like.
00:16:17
Speaker
Like a T-Rex. And if I don't move, they can't see me. Right. That would be me. Yeah. Because I don't run very quick and I'm not good with my fists. Sights. Sights. Freeze. Yeah. Pretty much there's freeze. Freeze is definitely an option. The three F's. Yes. Yeah. So as Lene stands there, her mind has got to be spinning, trying to figure out what to do, what, what, what needs to happen next.
00:16:43
Speaker
She knows that there is a car, the family car, that stays parked in the garage, because this is their family cabin. They come up all the time. And sometimes it's not snowing, so they can use it. That car stays there. And so that's there, even though the family wouldn't drive it because it's too risky with the snow.
00:17:03
Speaker
She decides to use it as a bargaining chip with these men. And she tells them, hey, we've got a car here. I'll take you to the car. You can take the car. You can get out of here. I'll show you where the keys are. Just take it and go. Just take it and go. So the men seem to be on board with this plan and they walk her to the garage and she tells them, listen, the keys are underneath the mat on the floor. Just take the car and go. Like, just go. I never saw you. Nothing. Go.
00:17:32
Speaker
And as the men are walking to the garage, the women walking in the garage, all Lene can think of is that she has to get these men gone so she can literally save the remainder of her family. So they walk to the garage and when they get there, they're standing in the garage and Lene's heart drops as you can make out the sound of a snowmobile coming up right outside the house.
00:17:58
Speaker
So she wasn't quick enough. The men are still here and her family, her dad and her sister are in very real danger. And she knows this. So the man that's holding the gun to Lynnae's back, he starts to tie her up as the other man puts a ski mask on, and this is the man she just watched shoot her mom and grandmother, puts a ski mask on and opens the garage door with the click of the button.
00:18:27
Speaker
And there's her dad and her sister. So now all five are like in this weird standoff. The dad and the sister have no idea what's going on.
00:18:38
Speaker
But Rolfe locks eyes with his daughter, Lene, and while he doesn't know what's going on, he's astute enough to see the terror in her eyes, I'm sure. And to realize your mom was on the snowmobile with you and she's not out here fighting for your life. Something's bad. Like any man knows that. Like if the mom's not out there, most moms, some moms suck, I get that.
00:19:05
Speaker
But this wasn't that type of mom. That mom would have been doing anything to save her daughter. So something's wrong. So Roth starts to get visibly anxious and nervous. I mean, he doesn't know what to do. He's trying to figure out what's going on. And the man standing next to him, not holding a gun on his daughter,
00:19:31
Speaker
asks, do you have any money? Rolf immediately just starts taking his pockets, like anything on his pocket still on the floor, even loose change, like, here's everything I have, you can take it, take whatever you want, go in the cabin, get whatever you want, literally, take everything, just go, don't hurt my daughters, just go.
00:19:49
Speaker
The man who was tying Lanay up at this point gets frustrated, I guess, and yells at the other guy and saying, shoot that mother, and he said the bad word, the F word that I don't like saying on here, but that's what he says. Shoot this mother effer talking about Rolf. However, the other man doesn't want to do it. Apparently, killing women is fine, but men are a different story. So the man behind Lanay holds his gut up
00:20:18
Speaker
points it at Roth, like his arm has to be extended right past Linnae's head. Yeah. Holding this gun up. Points it at Roth's head and Linnae is sitting there staring at her father as he pulls the trigger. She has to see it in her peripheral. Click. No gunfire, no bullet. Her dad's still standing there in front of him. The second time he pulls the trigger, click.
00:20:48
Speaker
Nothing. It's fine. Angry now, the guy pulls a trigger the third time and boom. Shoots her off right in the head in front of both Lene and her sister Trisha. The girls immediately start sobbing, begging for their lives, hysterical as they literally just, I mean, Lene watched her entire parents and grandmother, entire family gunned down. And Trisha has no idea what's going on. Doesn't know about her mom and grandma, but just watch her dad be shot in the head.
00:21:19
Speaker
So at this time, the men start to become a little frantic and don't know what to do. So they start talking to each other really fast, looking around. The girls are sobbing, just staring at their dad, which was literally what the guys were talking about had to be background noise. Like you're not paying attention to them at all. You can't believe what just happened.
00:21:41
Speaker
So the men find a bunch of cans of gasoline, which the family keep there for the snowmobiles, right? And so they pick up the gas cans and they grab the girls and they lead them through the house while the girls watch as the men are dousing everything with gas, just throwing gas up on the walls everywhere because in their mind, they need to burn this cabin down to destroy their presence was ever there and any evidence that they might have left.
00:22:13
Speaker
and the girls are being led watching this at gunpoint. So as they're leading these two girls around their family cabin, soaking it with gasoline, Lene is looking around and starts to notice a few things that she didn't when she first walked in.
00:22:38
Speaker
There is food that has been like half eaten just left kind of strewn about the countertop.
00:22:45
Speaker
All the presents that were underneath the tree have been unwrapped, wrapping papers everywhere. Presents have been opened. Boxes have been opened. They're just scattered around the living room. The beds are no longer made. They're just rumpled and they've obviously been slept in. And she realizes these men have been living in the cabin because the parents came up a week earlier, set everything up, then went back to, you know, pack up and everything and get their girls. Right.
00:23:11
Speaker
So while the parents left these men obviously have just been living here Yeah, so the men finished dousing everything in gasoline strike a match and set the house ablaze and Then force the two girls again at gunpoint Onto the snowmobiles in front of them. So the girls have been I've watched their parents been gunned down Now they're being separated each put on a different snowmobile
00:23:40
Speaker
with these two men behind each one and a gun pointed at them. And these men are also the men responsible for their parents' deaths.
00:23:52
Speaker
So the men, yep, go ahead. I know she was 15 but how old was the other little girl? Lene, I'm almost positive Lene was 16 and I'm not sure if they're twins or like the Irish twins where they were close in age but they were very close in age. So they were either twins or the Irish twins where they're like 14, 16 months apart. I just didn't know like if she had that like, I know she's gonna protect her her sister but
00:24:25
Speaker
So they forced the girls to start driving the snowmobiles down the mountain. And they can literally fill the heat of their family cabin burning behind them with their parents remains.
00:24:39
Speaker
So as they're riding down the mountain, you know that the, like on the one hand, you want to take this snowmobile you're driving and ram it into the closest street as fast as you fricking can. Oh yeah. To dislodge the jamo behind you. Right. But on the other hand, if you do that, you're risking your sister's life. Like you have no choice. Yeah. You do what they say. You're separated.
00:25:04
Speaker
So they literally can't do anything but to continue to drive down the mountain to where their cars are parked. And they are just trying to keep each other in their line of sight. Like they want to be able to see each other at all times because they're literally the only family they have left except extended. So they're about the full two miles down the mountain and in the distance they can see a familiar face. Their uncle Randy has arrived.
00:25:34
Speaker
and is getting out of his car. He's just parked, just steps out, and he's obviously about to hop on one of the snowmobiles and head up to the cabin. Randy notices the snowmobiles coming to him, and he sees it's
Randy's Pursuit & Police Chase
00:25:48
Speaker
two blonde girls and realizes it's his nieces. So he starts smiling, waving, hey! But they don't acknowledge him. They don't wave back. They don't look at him. They continue to drive past him like he was never there.
00:26:02
Speaker
So Randy felt like, Randy says he felt like this was a little weird, like this wasn't normal. Number one, where are they going? Number two, who are the guys they're with? Did they like bring boyfriends to Christmas? But on the other hand, his brother would have told them if either of his nieces were in a serious relationship. This is a very close-knit family. So he doesn't know what's going on. He's confused. But on the other hand,
00:26:32
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He's a little miffed because no, no adult likes to be completely disregarded by their family members who are younger, right? Like nieces and nephews that just pretend like you're not there. Yeah. So he's like, I don't care if you've got boyfriends with you. I don't care if you're too cool. You wait. Like you say something like he's just, they've never ignored him and
00:27:00
Speaker
He's a little like, ugh, like teenagers, but maybe there's a problem. He doesn't know. He has no idea what's going on. So the girls continue to drive down about two minutes past him. They pull up to their family car and literally Uncle Randy's like across the street, like diagonal, like he can clearly still see them.
00:27:21
Speaker
And they won't even look at him like they don't never look back. They never wave. They just act like he's not there. Exactly. Uncle Randy doesn't know this. So he's watching them get in this car with their two boyfriends and like what disrespectful little trash bags, probably because that's what I would think. So on the other side of the road, the one that has the gun pointed at Lene climbs in the passenger seat. Guns still pointed. Randy can't see any of this. The other.
00:27:50
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puts his gun in the trunk and gets in besides Trisha. And he looks at Trisha, pulls his shirt up and shows her like this large hunting knife and says, I'm just as good with a knife as a gun, so don't think about trying anything. Like there was your shot, but he took it away pretty quick. Plus there's the gun at her sister. So they pull off passing uncle Randy.
00:28:13
Speaker
And Randy said he's staring at them like, what are you doing? Just a wave, be respectful. And he said Lene is in the front passenger seat and she is looking at him out of the side of her eye almost. She's not looking directly at him, but she's got her eyes tilted toward him and is staring into his soul.
00:28:36
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but she won't look at him. So he has no idea what's going on. Randy is left staring, standing there staring after this car that just drives away. And he's trying to figure out like, what just happened? Like that's not, my nieces don't do that. So all of a sudden he hears something from the distance and there's a snowmobile coming down the mountain.
00:29:03
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and he looks and he sees his brother, Rolf. No, I thought he was dead. Flying down the mountain. Like way too fast. Way too fast. But as he's sitting there, staring, he's able to see Rolf. So, Rolf is a mess. He has no coat on. It's snowing. There's blood everywhere. His eyes are swollen to where they look like they're shut. Because remember, he got shot in the head.
00:29:34
Speaker
So there's also burns like smoke coming from his body. He's he's burning like he's got all these patches. So he's just staring at his brother like what?
00:29:48
Speaker
the heck. So, um, sorry. Lost my spot there. Let me go. All right. It keeps doing it. Oh man. You're doing so good. I love it. So Rolfe drives up to Randy and just start screaming. I've been shot. Kay and Beth are dead. The girls have been kidnapped. You have to help me. And Randy's like, well, that wasn't the boyfriends. Yeah.
00:30:13
Speaker
Like, come on, Randy. Randy, pull it together, bro. So the two men jump in a Randy's truck. Rolf has to literally lay down in the backseat. He's bleeding out everywhere. Yeah. And they start to chase this truck that just left with the two girls down the mountain.
00:30:31
Speaker
While driving, Randy takes out a cell phone because we're in 1990s. They've got those now. They usually don't in our stories. We got them now and calls 911. But because they're legit in the middle of nowhere, no service, no service. Yes. Again, it's 1990. So, you know, you remember that.
00:30:51
Speaker
Yeah, they didn't have that. Do you not remember like minutes and texting after like, hey, call me back after eight. Yeah. Can't use the minutes. OK, here's my man. So Randy just continues to drive and just continues to press redial over and over and over, trying to get 911 on the phone. Finally, as he's speeding down this mountain again in the snow. Trying to find his nieces. Let me guess, they wreck. It just seems like a dreamy story. It seems like a movie.
00:31:20
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So the call finally connects and he tells dispatch, my nieces have been taken. They've been kidnapped. They're driving on whatever street, like we're following them. They're on this street in this type of kind of car. And he starts to say, I need a life flight helicopter for my bro. And the call drops. So Randy knows that there's a gas station about a mile down the road.
00:31:46
Speaker
And so he drives there because he knows that the police know where the bad guys are with his nieces at this point. But his brother's legit going to die. So he stops at the gas station, like pulls up to a pay phone and 90s and slams on the brakes, gets out and calls 911 again and says, I just called. I need some help from my brother. He's in bad condition. He has to get to the hospital. Someone has to be here now. Like now is too late. Five minutes ago now.
00:32:16
Speaker
Meanwhile, up ahead in the car, the girls are terrified. This car is still zooming down the road, snow everywhere, and a car zooms past them, and then the girl sees the car pull a U-turn and start to follow them. Okay. Were there blue lights? There were not. Okay. There were no lights at all.
00:32:40
Speaker
So is it police? Is it accomplices? We don't know. It's an undercover. It is obviously the authorities of some sort. So they give chase and this ends up in a high speed chase of over 100 miles an hour in the freaking snow in Utah. Oh my God.
00:33:05
Speaker
The girls are terrified. And then suddenly the car flies off a 40 foot embankment. No. And their stomachs are in their throat. Like, you know, when you go over like railroad tracks, like super fast. Yeah. You're free falling. You're free falling. Yeah. So the car flies off this cliff and just starts to roll over itself.
00:33:23
Speaker
And the girls are disoriented and confused and they stumble out of the car and they don't really know what's going on. But as they look up the embankment, they see all these people standing there with guns aimed at them. Oh. Immediate relief like Calvary's here. We're going to live. Oh, if this takes a bad twist, I don't like you anymore. Well, don't don't lick your lips and smile at me like that. I don't like it.
00:33:50
Speaker
I don't like it one bit. Problem is the police don't know that these aren't their girlfriends. They don't know who these girls are. They have assumed their accomplices of the two men. Because when Randy called, he said, my nieces were kidnapped. When you hear someone's kidnapped, what do you think? A child, not an older child. You think like a little kid child.
00:34:18
Speaker
So I think that's like the worst part of being a cop. Mm hmm. Is when you get called, you only get like a partial story. Oh, yeah. Like just. And so people get super mad because they're like, I didn't do anything, but why am I in cuffs and blah, blah, blah? Because they don't know because they're going to sort it out eventually. You just sit down, shut up. Yeah. And let the story be told. You know what I mean? Like you've got to be able to. But then understand it logically. Yeah. But then on the other side, you got people like Sonny Jacobs.
00:34:49
Speaker
who did that and went with it and got life in prison and death penalty. No, no, you go with it and yes, agreed. So the police start screaming, pointing guns at them. Get on your knees, get on, get out of the car, get on your knees, put your hands above your head.
00:35:08
Speaker
And these girls are, are trying to let the police know we're, we're hostages. Like we're not involved with them. Save us. But they're still, they get on the knees and apparently it comes over the radio from dispatch or whatever. And the police realize the girls are not there of their own free will. These are the kidnap victims. These are hostages. They're no K.
00:35:34
Speaker
So police grab the girls, pull them away, pull them to safety and force the men down on their knees, cuffing them.
Aftermath & Rolf's Heroism
00:35:41
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So everybody survived the tumble. So Lene says at this point, watching these two men kneel on the ground, all the anger that had been inside her but masked by the fear and the disbelief comes out in force. Did you just start
00:35:58
Speaker
I wish, gosh, I wish. I know, really? Just go start beating the crap out of them. You cry like a baby.
00:36:14
Speaker
the nose your eyes automatically water oh yeah oh yeah it is what it is i was really hoping she did but no she she starts screaming in the police's face shoot them kill them they just killed my entire family they shot my mom and my grandma in front of me then they shot my dad shoot them kill them now like she's going bananas on these police
00:36:34
Speaker
Unfortunately, the police do not listen to her, which they would have, but they do apprehend, apprehend, apprehend. Lord, help me. I know. I can't shoot them, but I'll drop my gun and whatever happens, happens. Here's my baton and I'm going to just turn around really fast. They're handcuffed. I'm going to go get leg restraints.
00:36:58
Speaker
What you do with this baton is not my business. So they're arrested and they take them in for booking. Meanwhile, back across town in the helicopter, Roth was able to be stabilized by paramedics, delivered to the hospital, but brought directly to ICU because he is in beyond critical condition.
00:37:20
Speaker
He needs multiple blood transfusions. He needs burn care like the whole nine. It is not to me like you want to talk about like, okay. I'm not saying that it's just a guy thing because that's, that's not what this intends to be at all. But when it comes to brute strength, like I know women can do it too, but men do it. It seems like a lot more. Yeah.
00:37:44
Speaker
You know what I mean? Where they are just physically bruised and battered and beaten and don't care because something's got to get taken care of. And I have to take care of it. And it may not be like this situation completely, but like you got a guy that works maybe 80 hours a week just to support his family and then has to dig a hole in his front yard and try to fix plumbing because we can't afford... You know what I mean? That was Faith's life a couple of weeks ago. I was at Disney.
00:38:14
Speaker
Yeah. Guys are so like wired. They just get it done. Like when it comes to their family. So good guys get it done. This guy's been shot in the face. Yeah. OK. Set on fire. Burned alive. Yeah. And he just.
00:38:30
Speaker
got on his white horse slash snowmobile. Yeah. And was like, not today, Satan. Yeah. Somebody needs to know that my girls are gone. Yeah. So what has to save my girls? Yeah. That's what drove it. Yeah. There's I listened to a lot of different podcasts on this and I am going to shout out this one, even though they'll probably never hear it. That's fine. Wife of crime.
00:38:52
Speaker
the new york couple where she tells her husband stories he's like he doesn't even have a shirt on he's he's got the rambo bandana across his head he's rippling with muscles like dripping sweat and he's coming down there like i'm gonna get you girls and now that's all i see in my head is ralph is um
00:39:11
Speaker
is rainbow. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah. So seriously, like how incredible is that? Oh, yeah. To just like, I mean, you're literally picking yourself up from death. And you're like, yeah, I'll die later. Yeah, exactly. I'll die later. Give me 30 minutes.
00:39:29
Speaker
See you in a few, Grim Reaper. Yeah, you can come, you can get me, but you're gonna have to give me like 30, 45 minutes. I mean, it's intense. Then we can dance. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah, so. Impressed, I'm impressed. I'm just saying. Unfortunately, I don't know if Rolf's gonna make it. Like, he's lost so much blood. So the girls finally are delivered to Uncle Randy and they find out their dad's alive.
00:39:57
Speaker
They don't know at this point that their dad made it. They never saw him get in the car. They never saw him in the chase. And at that moment, he literally in their mind is a real life hero. Like their dad is a freaking boss. So they rushed to the hospital and the girls are finally able to be with their dad again. And they find out exactly what this man lived through. So not only was Ross shot in the head at pretty much point blank range,
00:40:27
Speaker
They poured gasoline all over his body and lit him on fire. When he came to, he got himself on fire off the ground, ran into the shower, again, on fire with gasoline, rips off his snow suit, which they said parts of his snow suit was literally burned into his flesh.
00:40:55
Speaker
and rips it off, gets the fire out with parts of his flesh exposed with burnt plastic, charged outside onto the snowmobile like this, soaking wet, bleeding with burned plastic into his flesh because gasoline hops on a snowmobile and gave chase and stayed alert the entire time.
00:41:20
Speaker
Literally a superhero movie. The hospital said it's a miracle he was alive because the amount like he should not have been with the amount of blood he lost like no question. We'll call that one a God bubble too. Shoo dude. So the family is all together at the hospital. The police talk to them and then the police head up to the cabin to see if there's any evidence. Try to figure out what happens because again no one knows who these men are where they came from nothing.
00:41:47
Speaker
on fire i can't i'm sorry gasoline they put an accelerant on him and shot him in the head i was gonna say poured an accelerant on him and lit him on freaking fire and he said nope
00:42:03
Speaker
This is why last week I was like, if you don't have a story, I got a good one. Yeah, you did. Oh my gosh. I literally, I can't get past this right now. No. This is like a stopping moment. This is a movie. Where I'm sitting here and I'm like, could you, I, like, oh my gosh, dude. It's like every, like, you know how they have that show's a thousand ways to die. Yeah, yeah. He experienced like 99 of them. I was gonna say like, most of them.
00:42:34
Speaker
And and just got up. He was because unconscious was burning. So around him, he ran through smoke. Yeah. So he's inhaling toxic fumes on fire with a bullet wound to the face. And he still rips the suit off his body, which has to be like molted. Now, like you've seen bird victims. I burn victims. That's true.
00:42:59
Speaker
Rips it off gets in the shower enough to get the flames off and runs outside in the freezing cold and Hops on a snowmobile and chases them two miles down a mountain to where he finds his brother. So like you literally you just went from hell Fire flames hell. Yeah into the frigid air. I can't I can't see that being a comfortable feeling I feel like he had his body had to be in shock and
00:43:23
Speaker
Well, you said he didn't have a shirt on. No, no, no, I know that he did have a shirt on. He didn't have a jacket. It was the rest from life. A crime was like he didn't have a shirt on. He had muscles. He was sweating and listening. I'm only saying this because if he was. Yeah. And he's a burn victim. Anybody who has ever been like severely burned knows. Yeah. Just a small amount of anything.
00:43:47
Speaker
just to breathe and he's he's whipping down that mountain in a snowmobile yeah hurts like you're not effing believe yeah it is literally like your fire your body just got set on fire and he is whipping down that mountain as fast as that snowmobile will go with no thought to his own safety exaggerating on that in the simple fact that
00:44:11
Speaker
Dude, have you ever had a bad sunburn? Yeah, people get burned all the time. I think I'm dying. People get shot in the face all the time. Yeah, no, they don't. But what I'm saying is it's like holy hell. Yeah, it's not. It doesn't seem real. Is there more of a champion than this guy right now and why is there not a movie?
00:44:29
Speaker
He's in Thad and Lisa McVeigh. They've all got a special category. Roth has ascended to their heights. Roth, I think, might be my new favorite. Only because he was like, you can't kill me, bitch. Legit. Literally. What else could they have done? Hit him with a car?
00:44:54
Speaker
You got two legs I got one question, oh my gosh no Ross Ross is the freakin man the man
00:45:08
Speaker
So, gosh, I'm so sorry. You know, you're fine. We went off on a tangent, but Roth deserves it. If you can't listen to how wonderful Roth is, you don't deserve to listen to crime podcast. You suck if you don't think this guy is like a madman. Oh, my gosh. Like freaking war. Can you imagine? Like, because they're still in high school. Like when they go back to high school, someone's mean to them. Do you know what my dad will do to you? Like you have no idea what my dad is like. You're like.
00:45:36
Speaker
game of thrones characters or uh like brave heart stuff like that yeah like here's this guy i just got you know i've got five arrows in my chest and one arm yeah still going yeah your sword is literally sticking out of my skull but i'm still killing somebody oh yeah i love ralph ralph is the freaking man oh my gosh
00:45:59
Speaker
I'm sorry. All right. You're fine. I'm sorry. We need to know if he lived or not. At this point, I don't even know like my care that he lived only because what he lived with is like a legend. Oh, he right. A hundred percent. I want to know, you know, his great grandkids are being told you want to hear about great grandpa Rolf. You stubbed your toe. You stubbed or you want to hear what your granddad did. Yeah. Right. Like you can't ever complain about being hurt ever in that family. You're not bleeding.
00:46:27
Speaker
Don't cry. Yeah, exactly. You go run two miles down a hill. Let's see. Let's see. Let me see. You would fight her real fast. Right? No, Rolf is the freaking man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're fine. So the police go back up to the cabin. Sorry, we both took a sip literally at the same time of our drinks. I thought you'd continue talking for a minute and give me a second. You did not. Literally, we picked it up at the same time.
00:46:54
Speaker
Yep. So police head up to the cabin just to see if they can figure out what the heck happened. Yeah. So the cabin is partially burned down. There's spots that were left untouched and they just start sifting through the evidence like presence, things that are left behind and they come across a video camera like and it's got the VHS tape still inside it.
Justice & Trials
00:47:18
Speaker
Like one of the gigantic ones, you know, wasn't melted. Nope.
00:47:22
Speaker
Um, so they grab it, they grab the tape and they review it and they're shocked. So let's jump back and find out who these two men are. The story behind the two men who legit ruined Christmas until Roth decided to he man it through and literally saved Christmas. Savage dude. Um, their names were Von Taylor and Edward Deli. The two met in a halfway house after being released from prison.
00:47:48
Speaker
Neither were in prison for violent crimes. Neither of them had a history of violence, anything like that. One had been sent to prison for burglary. Did they eat tide pods or something? Right. The other one was in prison for shock or arson. Arson. Arson. Well, there you go. Arson. Yeah, I was trying to say archery and arson. Anyway, I can't talk. So they had a day pass to leave the halfway house deal.
00:48:14
Speaker
and to go look for jobs, these two men together. And they decided, we don't want to do either of those things. We don't want to go find a job. We don't want to go back to the halfway house. No, we want to go out, kill some people, set some houses on fire, kidnap your kids. So one of them said, hey, back in the day, my family owned a cabin up on this mountain. There's cabins kind of throughout miles away from each other, but we can go up there and loot.
00:48:43
Speaker
So that's what they decided to do. They hitch-typed down the road and then up into the mountains. So they made a video of themselves confessing all this? Not yet. This is just who these two men are, how they happened. Oh, well you said they found the cassette tape. I did, but I said let's go back and learn about who we're looking at. Okay, I'm sorry. You're fine, you're fine. So they go up to these vacation cabins that are all vacant and hide out there just to see what they can plan their next move.
00:49:09
Speaker
The night before on the 21st, the two videotaped themselves on this camera, making jokes about all the cabins they've broken into, laughing about the Christmas presents they opened at the Tada family's cabin, which is where they were, and then start to discuss what they're gonna do when the family gets home. Because here's the deal, there's Christmas presents, it's four days before Christmas, obviously this family's coming back. So on camera, they're laughing and joking about how they're gonna murder this whole family. On camera!
00:49:40
Speaker
They're going to kill them that they discussed wanting to kill the family, take their vehicles and escape all on camera. You can watch this. They've fallen off the wagon at this point. Apparently not. But you can watch this video on YouTube like you can see them discussing this and laughing and joking about it on YouTube. That's messed up. So the two men were OK, I'm sorry, but that's kind of like a little bit more.
00:50:04
Speaker
just pleasing to me that they're like, yeah, there's what we're going to do. Here's what we're going to do. And then we're all like, F you and your plan because I'm a beast. Yeah. But it's on camera. Like why would you even go to court? Just throw them in the cell. Lose the key. What's up at jail? What's up? No, no, no. What's up? I'm just saying. I'm just saying it gets cold. I'm saying throw them in a cell and be like they raped kitties.
00:50:30
Speaker
It's not true, but let justice take its course. Let the Brazilian Dexter know about them. Yes. I don't remember his name. Philo, I think. Philo. We argued that point. That's why his name sticks out. Yeah, yeah, we did. Anyway, so the two men are charged with murder and about 10 other charges are levied against them and they
00:50:54
Speaker
They go to face trial. They have separate trials. They're convicted separately and they are not convicted the same. So five months after the crime, Von Taylor pled guilty to capital murder, which allowed all other charges against him to be dropped.
00:51:12
Speaker
because he didn't, he said, I'm guilty. We don't have- And that's the highest offense. Yeah. And he, he decided on a jury sentence and the jury deliberated quickly, I assume, and sentenced him to death. Edward Deli on the other hand. Edward Deli on the other hand decided he was gonna go try his luck at trial. He doesn't have many other options. I mean, at this point- It was on camera. I know.
00:51:42
Speaker
Like they were they talked about on camera. Yeah. Why would you go to trial? Because you can say not guilty, but we've got you on video saying you're guilty. Yeah. But there's only some kind of stupid defense where there is you could go to an insane asylum instead of prison or whatever, you know. Well, he had a better lawyer than that. So the two girls had to testify against him.
00:52:05
Speaker
in front of him and the girls who were 16 and 17, there's their ages. I knew I had them down somewhere. So Lene was 17, Trisha was 16. And they literally had to reenact this day in front of everyone there, in front of the person who did it, in front of the jury. They're having to literally like mime holding a gun, whole thing, relive the most horrific day of their entire life. Literally being mentally raped. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
00:52:32
Speaker
So Edward Deli's lawyer argued at the trial that while Deli was there that day and he was guilty of being an accomplice, he never actually pulled the trigger or did anything to hurt anyone. His only crime was not stopping Vaughn Taylor, who was a madman, pleaded guilty, and he was a coward, but he wasn't a murderer, right?
00:52:58
Speaker
So the next witness is called and it is none other than He-Man, Ralph Tierra, which is the same moment that Deli finds out the man is alive. No way. He thought he was dead. Oh my God. So that is. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, well, that might like.
00:53:19
Speaker
There goes my whole argument. So Rolfe testifies that Deli pulled the trigger in his face and is the one that shot him and attempted to murder him, testified about everything, the gas, the fire, everything. So they've got this guy on tape admitting they have a surprise living witness.
00:53:42
Speaker
who was shot in the head by this man and set on fire. I feel like this is about to take a dark turn. Well, the jury goes to decide. And out of 12 of them, there's one juror who just won't been not guilty, not guilty. Hadn't been paid off is all I could think. I don't know. Yeah. So Deli is convicted on second degree murder, which in the state of Utah, unfortunately, is not enough for the death penalty.
00:54:11
Speaker
But it is enough for a life sentence in prison without parole, which is what he got.
Family's Rebuilding & Forgiveness
00:54:17
Speaker
So the two men are put away, one on death row, one life in prison, and it's time for the T&A family to just try to find their new normal. There's no going back to normal. Your mom's gone, your grandmother's gone. You just have to try to figure out how to go.
00:54:39
Speaker
So it took months, if not years, for them to finally, like emotionally, physically, for Roth, heal from this. Eventually, the family decided together, Roth, Lene, and Tricia, to rebuild the family cabin where it stood.
00:54:56
Speaker
They wanted to be able to go back there and make more memories together, but also remember all the memories they had of their mother and their grandmother who died there, which kudos to them. Like that is such emotional strength. Oh, I could never go back.
00:55:13
Speaker
How could you ever go back there and stay like that has got to be the worst day of your life? Literally depends on the type of person like you're either half full or half empty kind of person. Yeah. And they were half full. Yeah. They were like, you know what? Yeah, we had one like horrendous experience here. But the memories that live here. Yeah. Are so beyond beyond.
00:55:35
Speaker
Not only that, that had to like bind them together so close. Yeah. And like, how are you ever disrespectful or snotty to your dad again? How could you even marry a man after that? Never compare to this guy. No. I'm going to be single forever. Yeah. Yeah. Because because who's going to compare to Rolf? No. Who?
00:56:02
Speaker
Liam Neeson and taken, that's the only thing I could think of. Like every time your daughter smarted off to you when she first started her period. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I took a bullet in the face and it was set on fire for your stupid ass. And I still chased you down, right? Yeah. So that's what they did. Roth eventually did pass away from cancer in 2008, lived very long after this.
00:56:28
Speaker
At the time of his death, he was surrounded by his two daughters and his grandchildren. And I wish the story ended there. But there's a little bit more. So 2020 was the year from hell. Right. COVID hit. The world stopped. Basically nothing made sense. Everything sucked.
00:56:47
Speaker
Well, that was also the year in March 2020 that Von Taylor's death sentence was overturned after multiple pills he defiled. And it was changed to life in prison due to inadequate, inadequate representation by a state appointed lawyer. We knew that was coming. But it was on video. They had the man that lived. It's 2020. 2020 sucks. Listen, everybody's feelings.
00:57:16
Speaker
No, a life is life. No, little snowflakes, they don't. Life's not fair. No, everybody doesn't get the same thing. No, life is is. A genuine gift. No matter how you choose to live it. Yeah, even if it's taking away others lives around you. Yeah, yeah. We have to be sensitive to their emotions. I'm about to get up and throat punch you, even though I know that's not what you believe.
00:57:44
Speaker
It's super sarcasm, like huge, huge sarcasm. Yeah. Because in my mind, the way things should have gone down is like he should have been shot in the kneecaps. No, no, no, gasoline and fire. They should have been able to walk in. Every day. And be like.
00:58:05
Speaker
I'm going to take this chisel and this hammer in. I don't know if you know what a chisel is, right? But it's a pointed object. It's like a like a flathead screwdriver. Just a little bit. Just bigger. Yeah. And you're just like, I'm going to take his pinky toe today. Yeah. And you just boom. God. Ding. Ding. So then your sentence is literally. That carried out. Thousand pieces. Yeah. Like just chunks of flesh and bone being removed from you daily. Mm hmm.
00:58:36
Speaker
And in a perfect world, that's what they would have faced. But in an imperfect world, 2020, we get sensitivity and feelings. And they made a mistake. Look, I have made a lot of mistakes in my life.
00:58:57
Speaker
You make mistakes daily. All the time. About as often as I've said words correctly today. Good, good call. I'm saying. Bad relationship. I stole some gum once when I was still living in Massachusetts and I was a kid. You know, we've we've we've all done some really dumb things and we all face the consequences. But murder. Beat my ass. Yeah. Because I took the gum.
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah. And you don't still gum today, do you? No, I don't. Because your mom would still beat your butt. She would. She absolutely. I also can't say certain things in front of her like douchebag. She does. She does hate that word. She does hate that word. And I will absolutely get hit. And I would never ever think about saying it in front of her currently. I do say things in front of her. Whatever. I'm just sitting here thinking to myself that every dumb choice that I made
00:59:56
Speaker
in my life, I suffered consequence for it. Yeah, you should. Right. Whether it was my parents or when I drank underage in
01:00:09
Speaker
You know, I got pulled into a nightclub and they're like, Hey, we're going to call the cops. And I'm like, I'm going to run away. Yeah. You know, but still literally I suffered the consequence. Yeah. And I took it like a chain. Yeah. So you made a really bad choice. You killed two people.
01:00:31
Speaker
right for a third try it further mm-hmm okay you didn't realize that you were dealing with Superman at that point no one did yeah I mean like tit for tat is always gonna come back into my head you know what I mean yeah they should yes yes agreed so I'm gonna finish up real quick later nope that's fine later in life
01:00:55
Speaker
Leanne, Lene, sorry, Lene receives a letter from Edward Deli asking for forgiveness. And apparently this letter was like pages and pages and pages. But this daughter, Lene, remembers the one that watched them kill her mom and grandmother. She said this was not the guy that pulled the trigger. You know, I. Deli, Deli was not the one that pulled the trigger on. He was on the other. But he's the one that pulled the trigger on her mom and held the gun to her back.
01:01:24
Speaker
So she said it took her nine years to finish reading this letter because it was so many pages and she just she would start to read it and just I can't and then read some more and then I can't took her nine years to read it. And after nine years she finishes the letter and she decided to forgive him. She said she did it for herself because she didn't want to hold on to the anger and the hate anymore.
01:01:47
Speaker
And she said that when she decided to forgive him, not for him because he deserved it, but for herself, she said it healed a lot of what was inside her. Because to this point, she was so standoffish and so skittish that she couldn't form any kind of relationship besides her sister and dad. She didn't trust people. She lost her trust in humanity.
01:02:11
Speaker
And when she forgave that we talked about. Yeah. Not very recently. It's the trauma that you just. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you can go through something and be physically harmed and you have to, you know, recuperate from that. But the long term damage mentally is so. It's forever. Yeah.
01:02:31
Speaker
So when she forgave him, she was able to start building relationships. That's when she fell in love, met her husband, got married, because she wasn't so closed off emotionally. Her sister Tricia, on the other hand, basically said, F you. You're not going to be forgiven until the day you die. And then you'll rot in hell. Like, she was having nothing to do with it. So that is the Tierra family murder. Family Christmas.
01:02:59
Speaker
They let the girls are still alive. You can they've done interviews. They I was trying to find I was trying to remember. I can't remember. There's a there's a show about them. Basically, like I survived. I'll post a link to the episode, but they're interviewed and they talk about it and they relive. I mean, they you can hear Lene talk about sitting there in the kitchen. You can hear Trisha talking about she literally contemplated.
01:03:20
Speaker
Ramming that snowmobile into a tree and she didn't care if she died. She just wanted him to die But realized if she did it what she's her sisters next So like you hear all of this But like it when I listened to this story like I listened to it like two years ago for the first time and it is stuck with me but uh
01:03:42
Speaker
Like when you back in the garage, when they pull the trigger and click and they pull the trigger and click, I'm like, Rolf's going to kick their butt and then boom. Like you think Rolf is saved and then Rolf dies and then Rolf freaking says no. You know, this guy's going to try to kill you. Yeah.
01:04:02
Speaker
But, where are you gonna go? Like, okay, it clicked the first time. What are you gonna do? Like I said, I'll bum rush him, right? But in reality, he could've just snapped his daughter's neck.
01:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, but in my like living through this story, like not living, I didn't live through it, obviously. But hearing this story, like living through the first time I listened to it, like there were so many times I was like, oh, he's going to make it and he's going to survive. Then he's dead. And then they set him on fire. And then he's charging down the hill. And I'm like, oh, I need a moment. So we're going to go like to the extreme here.
01:04:38
Speaker
yeah we usually do because we always say stuff about we never really know what the human mind is capable of the human body but here but no no no no no it's not just body yeah your body felt every freaking bit and your mind just said no that pain oh yes but mentally
01:04:59
Speaker
can you imagine being set on fire but what i'm saying is is like here are these 2d bags yeah and they're like i'm gonna pull the trigger on whoever i don't care about anything never hesitated you have brawl on the exact opposite spectrum who's like you're not going to take everything yeah i have something to live for and lived
01:05:21
Speaker
I don't when when I sobbed like a baby when Randy's talking about and I heard a snowmobile and I look and here here comes my brother flying down the hill and I'm like, he's alive. Yeah. Like. Wowza. We literally will never understand the capability of. No, no, no, no, because a lot of people.
01:05:47
Speaker
Yeah. Would have died right there. I would have named my first born Rolf if I was either like it had been a race to who had a boy first. There'd be like 52 Rolfs in the family from now on just hoping his name lives on. Oh, yeah, dude. Like, wow. Yeah, it's incredible. It really is. Mm hmm.
01:06:07
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I thought it was a good story. That was a good story. That's why I usually it was not. It was not. It is horrific lovingly story. Yeah. But Rolf. I love when you have that one character. Yeah, it's a movie like I was waiting for them to be like when I did the Jaws thing to you this summer and be like, like, OK, yeah, die hard, whatever. It's real life. Yeah.
01:06:31
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Like, insane. And I try not to put too many not today, not me, not today, like survivor stories together in one thing because, you know, it's true crime, you gotta, you know. But, huh, I just, ugh, best Christmas ever. Yeah, no, I'm telling your brother about it this morning and I'm like, hey, Frankie, listen to this story, I'm gonna tell Lisa, I'm gonna tell you the brief story, I won't go into the whole details. So I hit the high notes, like,
01:06:59
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Roth on shot on fire, zooming down the hill to save his daughters. And he was like, I don't know how you do this. And I'm like, what are you what are you talking about? He's like, how do you how do you listen and research like this? I'm like, Frankie, there's bad in the world. Roth is Superman. And he's like, I don't see it that way. And I'm like, what is wrong with you? You psycho. He and he just leave me because I'm a serial killer. And I was like, be that as it may. Well,
01:07:26
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Did you not catch the bit about Rolf? Do I need to start from the beginning about what he lived through? The guy is a hero. Shot in the head. Gasoline. Match. Fire. Rips it off his burning flesh and goes out. He literally like woke up on fire and he's like, I'm going to put this out. And this is a minor inconvenience.
01:07:51
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Flames, what flames? I'm gonna go ahead and just... I'm surprised he didn't just like go roll around in the snow, get back up like... It's okay, I'll normalize the volume.
01:08:05
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So anyway, that is my Merry Christmas to our listeners story because it's amazing. I know. And you know what? We need a little bit of cheer in because there's always something that holidays that go wrong. Always. Not this wrong. Hopefully for all of you listening. But, you know, you don't get what you want. You got a sister in law who's annoying. Lisa, you got, you know, your kids. Right. Right. Your kids are annoying sister in law. Yet you're here.
01:08:33
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all the time. Yeah. And we we share conversations, but actually this is the most I've ever been talking. Anyways, so that's not true. We talk on the phone every morning on the way to work. We do. That's true. But, you know, things always happen, like your kid's a brat, something you burn the casserole, but your mom and grandma are shot in front of you. So I think your day is going pretty good. And just that's also a little bit morbid. Love your families. Well, again, he married a serial killer. What do you want from me? Huh?
01:09:05
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You go in first somebody shoots me in the head and says me on fire would you come back would you come back for me? You wouldn't roll fit He's a verb now. I don't know just roll fit. I feel like maybe a little overweight for that
01:09:25
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That just means it's got more to burn through. I'm almost 40. Sometimes getting out of bed is hard. I can't put my socks on without getting out of breath. There's no way I'm gonna do it. Yeah.
01:09:39
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So that's my story. Thank you, humanity, for being you, Ralph, and doing the right things to contradict the evil in this crap. Yeah. We all have to live it together. But when you got people like Ralph and you got people like Lisa and you got people like that. And Ray and Ray do not forget Ray. So anyway, be one of those, not Delhi or Von Taylor.
01:10:08
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Whoever you want to relate to, that's totally fine. Don't suck a butt. That's what we're saying. I've been watching The Walking Dead lately. You're welcome. His face made me, and I'm sitting here thinking, yeah, I'd make it through like half an hour at least. I was going to say you and me. I always tell Frankie, I'm like, so what would you do? Because I'd be dead right now. I'm like, would you shoot me? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, you didn't even hesitate. Not even a little bit. You know who would live through all that, Bella? Yeah.
01:10:35
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She would go feral and just like, mowgli it. Oh my gosh. She'd have a little canopy up in the tree. She'd be zooming down on vines, stabbing them in the head. She'd be fine. I'd be dead somewhere. Well, I mean, you can't hurt mommy in front of Caleb. Yeah. Without Caleb being like, that's my mom. Yeah. Our kids would be fine. We would be among the walking, among the bobbers. Yeah, would, yeah. So. Wouldn't your skin rip her?
01:11:05
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Yeah. Well, anyways, you should also think about once in a while. What what would your survival scenario really look like? I have no survival skills. Glum. Yep. No, it's good. Would you survive on the hummus? Are you really are you really going to try to tease me after that's come out of your mouth tonight?
01:11:33
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you glum your butt i will glam glam dang it i said it correctly it's the middle of the day but it is past nap time on sunday because we recorded the sun still out and i think you have the like balls of absolute steel trying to call me out on one effort when you've been like a
01:11:54
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I sound like Jim Carrey and liar liar basically the whole Podcast I did when I get really excited I'm trying like I know I talk fast when I get excited, but I'm trying not to so then I'm like I'm slow-mo in my head and I look young and I just Yeah, cuz it it didn't make sense
01:12:23
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It wasn't English. No, I just talked about it's there. The words are there. It's just a one giant run on. Just play it in slow mo and you might be able to catch some of it. All right, guys. Have a great night. Morning. Whenever you decide to listen to this, Lisa is signing off. And so it's faith and have a Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Bye. Bye.