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The Unknown Monster of the United States - Phillip Carl Jablonski
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Faith is telling us the story behind, in my opinion, one of the worst criminals from the United States to date. This will be a 2 Part Episode, with the next episode already scheduled to be dropped in 24 hours – if you can stomach it.
Here we will be going through Phillip Carl Jablonski’s life up through high school and truly looking at what makes a monster. The pain and degradation cannot be undersold for this episode.
TRIGGER WARNINGS – ALL (seriously) if you have a trigger – it will be hit at some point in this episode, as there is absolutely nothing sacred for this ‘person’. Please take care while listening.
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Transcript
Soup Season & Pumpkin Spice Debate
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, hello and thank you for tuning into another episode of Twisted Tales with Faith. And Lisa. And it is officially soup season. We're getting there. Of course, now that you're saying this, it'll be, what, two weeks from now? Yeah, now it's gonna be like 100 degrees, but it's fall, guys. Feels like it. As soon as the pumpkin spice comes up, which, unpopular opinion, I hate. Agreed.
00:00:29
Speaker
I look forward to eggnog. I do. I like pumpkin bread. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So anyways, this is us and I'm just going to warn you, I don't have a lot of preamble because my mind has been ruined.
Episode Structure & Case Preview
00:00:45
Speaker
Oh, so Lisa does not know this yet. Just a preface everyone with that. I'm sorry. And it'll be OK. This is going to be a two part episode. Oh, OK.
00:00:58
Speaker
So my promise to our listeners is it'll only be 24 hours till you hear the second part. Unfortunately, Lisa will not get that same treatment because we're recording early. So she's gonna be on the honor system not to look up the rest of the case. However, I can also almost guarantee Lisa's gonna want nothing to do with the research on this, so we're okay. I already have it researched and typed out, but with the kid's birthday party this weekend, you know, it'll be a few days before Lisa gets the rest.
00:01:28
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I am not, I don't like
Choosing a Disturbing Serial Killer Case
00:01:31
Speaker
you. But in my defense, I believe it was after our last recording, Lisa said, hey, we haven't done any serial killers. Oh, therefore. Well, no, it's not that we haven't done serial killers. We just haven't done like, you know, the piggy guy was the only one that we really did. Piggly Wiggly. Yeah. Smelly Willy. Smelly Willy. So.
00:01:53
Speaker
In your recollection, Lisa, what is the worst serial killer you've ever heard of? In your opinion. In my opinion. In your opinion. It doesn't have to be like the media, but the worst you've ever heard of. I kind of have a toss up. That's fine. There was a guy from India who was mutilating children.
00:02:14
Speaker
That's not good. And I was not, not in love with that. It was actually, I was on a documentary I was watching and I had to fast forward it. It got a bit too much for me. And, um, oh man, I don't know. H.H. Holmes was a sick man. Fictitiously, what is the worst serial killer? Shows, movies, worst one you've ever seen or watched? Fictitious. Yeah. Like, you know, Saw, Chainsaw Massacre, Jason.
00:02:42
Speaker
I don't know. I don't really get into all that kind. Let me think for a second. Probably Hannibal Lecter. OK. All right. Well, none of those hold a candle.
Introduction to a Lesser-Known Serial Killer
00:02:51
Speaker
OK. To the serial killer I'm about to tell you about.
00:02:53
Speaker
how this is not a household name, I don't know. I had another story that I was going to tell and I was going through my spreadsheet, updating it, the future, you know, whatnot. And something on this one caught my eye and I was like, oh, I don't really remember this. And then I went to the stuff I'd saved and I was like, I'm going to switch to this. Lisa just said she wanted a serial killer and I regret my life choices, but that's where we're at. So this is my fault. 100%. Okay, cool.
00:03:20
Speaker
So we're going to jump into it just before we start. And this is a true crime podcast. You all know why you're here, right? Right. We're all aware. It's explicitly rated. I don't give trigger warnings often. I might give a trigger warning tonight. My trigger warning is all of them. If you have a trigger, it is going to be in part one or part two of this story. Any trigger.
00:03:46
Speaker
You got one. We're going to hit it. It's the most horrific, mind boggling, grotesque, offensive and graphic that I've ever gotten. Most of what I will talk about are going to be direct quotes from people. Oh.
00:04:04
Speaker
So just to just to tell you how bad this is just to give you guys a little glimpse that I'm not I'm not just saying it because I will say language in this the next two episodes that I usually don't say on air because I'm reading direct statement. If racial words trigger you tune out tonight's episode won't be that bad part two will be.
00:04:27
Speaker
Are you going to drop really bad racial slurs? No, I will not do that. OK. But they are in it. Oh, I bet. That is the one thing I'll edit because I don't feel like that's necessary. But just to tell you how bad how bad this is, this guy was part of the pen pal program in prison. He did the pen pal program. Right. There is more than one account of people who are pen pals with him and also pen pals with Richard Ramirez, the night stalker.
00:04:56
Speaker
and said they had to stop being pen pals with this guy because his letters were so disturbing that they were just going to stick with the night stalker. Wow. That's who we're dealing with. And it's not a well like it's not household name like Dahmer or Richard Ramirez. Right. And it's wow. So I'm a set of foundation.
The Jablowski Family's Dark History
00:05:18
Speaker
OK. Tonight I'm going to give you the background story of this this family.
00:05:24
Speaker
And, um, as bad as it is, we're not touching the surface with how bad it's going to get. So if you can't handle tonight skip part two, go with God. If you can stomach tonight, part two, 24 hours. So let's go. Yay.
00:05:42
Speaker
I want to tell you a story about a family here lay the foundation and spoiler alert It's not a happy household. Yeah, you could you know? I want to introduce you to the Jablowski family. Okay, we ever heard of him didn't think so it Mind-blowing that this is not like a Dahmer level knowledge. But anyway This family was the poorest family in a poor section So when you already live in a poor section and you're the poorest
00:06:12
Speaker
You're already at the bottom level, right? Everyone in the area that knew the family described the father in pretty much the same way. But here's a few quotes, direct quotes from people. He's a brutal, gun-carrying alcoholic who regularly abused his wife and children and was horrible to animals. He was the meanest man I've ever met. This was stated from an adult who wasn't brave enough to say that until 50 years after he knew this man, terrified.
00:06:39
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Um, he ran over my puppy and didn't even bother to stop when I was a kid. Which let me say, I witnessed that once, like not this one, but I witnessed someone hitting a family's dog on Pellissippi, like not Pellissippi, but by Pellissippi College and just drove off. It was the most horrible, like I can still hear the sound of that dog and those children screaming. Like I just kept driving.
00:07:01
Speaker
nice um so if that doesn't tell you what kind of guy we're dealing with he was also known that if you had a cat in the neighborhood and it walked onto his his lot his his yard he'd shoot it with a shotgun in front of your face didn't matter you were right there killing the cat in front of you
00:07:20
Speaker
So real gym of a guy. This is the head of our household, if you will. So the rest of the family, considered of one very, very poor mother, and three children. The oldest child was Phillip. They had a middle daughter named Patsy and the youngest boy named Albert. And their household was horrific.
00:07:46
Speaker
It's not the worst childhood I've ever heard of, but it's right along there with it. And while there are varying accounts of the childhood stated from the different kids, they all had their own way that they saw their childhood.
00:08:00
Speaker
It's very well known that their father was a piece of human garbage. And I think in a lot of this, which, feel free to tell me your opinion. I think some of it may be over embellished, especially when he gets to writing his letters. But there is a core of truth in a lot of this. Oh, I bet. And there's some other things, but we'll talk about them when we get there. So let's start with Patsy, the middle child who was the only girl.
00:08:28
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She described her brothers, Phillip, the oldest, as a very quiet boy, and Albert, the youngest, was a goody-goody. He was the one in the family that would try to please their father, didn't want to give their father a reason to be angry with him, just constantly trying to do the best, basically. And I think that is a part of why Albert is the one
00:08:53
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who has a very different narrative of how their childhood was, but I think that's why. His childhood was very different. He was the baby and he was a goody-goody and always- You drive to BS. So Patsy stated that her father was an abusive alcoholic who beat the shit out of his wife and kids.
00:09:14
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called his wife and daughter Hors instead of their name, beat them repetitively and daily. And if all that's not bad enough, and again, I'm gonna apologize several times this episode, I'm sorry. Apparently her father had the habit of if he was walking by Patsy or she was walking by him, he'd just grab her breasts and cop a fill. But he didn't just stop there, he did it to her school friends.
00:09:39
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to when they'd come to the house. Oh my god. To where eventually she had no friends, they would not come to her house. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. So Patsy also stated that she could hear her father having sex with her mom and beating her and choking her, her gasping, begging for air, begging him to stop, obviously against her will.
00:10:01
Speaker
And OK, pause breaking Patsy's story. I am telling you all this horrificness to set up not why, but it's going to explain a lot in part two. And there's a lot of patterns you're going to see because there's some questionable and there's some unsolved. And if we look at all these patterns that we see in this childhood, we're going to see a lot of the same things. So we really can't.
00:10:24
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Like, at this point, based solely on what you're saying, I'm surprised the woman just didn't wait for him to go to sleep one night, put a bullet in his face, or stab him with a kitchen knife. Hello, Lorena Bobbitt. We just discussed her. I know. I don't see it. I'm just saying. Yeah, so. Like, if you're that poor and you have nowhere else to go, at least you get some free meals in prison. I'm just saying. Right? But do you want to leave your kids alone with this monster? No, he'd be dead. Oh, true. True statement. There you go. I'm just saying.
00:10:53
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Patsy also stated that her brother Philip, the oldest, was the most frequently beaten out of the three children, taking the brunt of his father's emotions and anger. A lot of the time this is because when his father was beating the mother, Philip would get in between them and try to protect his mom, incurring the father's wrath to where the father just beat the crap out of the kid.
00:11:15
Speaker
But he was the ages at this point. You know, it doesn't. This is all young. This is all pre-middle school. This is all like young, young. They give some ages later, but even at a young age, the kid had balls of steel. Yes. Unfortunately, yes, he did. So because he'd get in between, his father would beat him more.
00:11:37
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The kids would often run away and hide when their father was in these drunken angry, they'd hide until they calmed down. This was so typical of their family environment that their mother had a signal she would give so the kids knew it was safe to come home. Like they would stay out at night, hide until like she flipped the porch like three times and that meant they knew
00:12:01
Speaker
They could come home and not get beat. She'd already taken it, basically. So this is the environment. This is how we're growing up. The violence that within the family was stated to be a daily occurrence. Police were brought to the house on a regular basis. But unfortunately, this story is in the United States in the early 1950s. And it was unacceptable for a man to be his wife and kids, you know, help them with their behaviors and their attitudes.
00:12:30
Speaker
Completely, completely standard behavior. So as stated previously from people's comments, he was a gun toting maniac. So he was known to have a gun all the time with him. And as he would yell at his children and beat them in his fists of anger, he'd also
00:12:50
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brandished this gun waving it in their faces while he's drunk and screaming at them. And he's telling them things like, I wish you were dead. You didn't deserve to be born. You should just die. Screaming angry drunk, beating them, holding a gun to their face. And the cherry on top. He was said to be overly cruel to animals, like picks and style, slaughtering animals for pleasure. There wasn't one good thing said about this man. Not one.
00:13:17
Speaker
So if this if this childhood and household isn't tragic enough, I mean, really, right. Could it could it be worse? No, it doesn't. It could. It could. Because according to according to Patsy, Phil was sexually molested by a neighbor named Harold when he was around four or five years old, the same neighbor that had molested her as well.
00:13:40
Speaker
In her statement, she said that there were two neighborhood children's Dell and Janice Redrick who were present when they were molested by this man named Harold. Now here's where the varying accounts come in because 25 years later after the fact, Janice Redrick, the little girl that was supposedly there, she wasn't related to the man. They were kids playing and he molested her and then molested her for her, her,
00:14:04
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her brother. So Janice Redrick would later state that she did not know of abuse going on in this household, the Jabloski household. She didn't know of any beatings or abuse. There was just a lot of screaming. I wonder why there was screaming Janice.
00:14:22
Speaker
She also said that neighbor Harold at Patsy accused of molesting in one of her statements basically made it seem like all the parents in the neighborhoods cautioned their kids against going near him. He was that funny guy, you know, she said that wasn't true. Nobody, nobody classified him that way. And she did not, she was never present for any, any time when Patsy or Phillip were molested. Now,
00:14:48
Speaker
I've listened to a lot of, a lot of recounts of this and a lot of different theories on this. And the, the most commonly thought of which I can see is number one, Phillip was molested by this kid when he was four or five. And then Patsy was molested when she was older. So after Phillip was molested because she was younger than him, they're young. So who you play with when you're older and remember your mind can trick into thinking that who was there for that event.
00:15:17
Speaker
It's also a horrific trauma when you're molested that young and your brain is going to try to protect you as much as possible. So maybe it wasn't Harold, but a different neighbor. Maybe it wasn't those two kids name, but different kids. But I do think that these kids were abused by someone in that neighborhood. Um, so anyways, um, there's that we don't know whose story is true, but I think something happened.
00:15:41
Speaker
Now, because Philip at this point is very angry from constant abuse from at least physical and emotional and verbal abuse from his father. I mean, truth be told, if they like with as bad as their childhood was, why would you want that in? Yeah, like you need more like you need more. Yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah. So, Philip, he has no he's a child still. He's he's he's middle school. He has no control of anything.
00:16:10
Speaker
He's being constantly, physically, verbally, and emotionally abused. He's trying his best to protect his mom. That's a lot of anger. And unfortunately, according to Patsy, he would take that anger out on his younger siblings. So anytime the parents would leave and Phillip would be in charge, he would hit them. He'd beat them. He'd yell at them basically.
00:16:33
Speaker
He would fill the father's role that his father usually filled. He perpetuated that behavior that he probably hated so much. But he would also get really upset if they left for a long time. Like if they went to dinner and a movie type of deal or they went away for a weekend. Patsy said Philip would cry the entire time.
00:16:54
Speaker
Like she said he was highly emotional, extreme ups and extremes down. At one time he was sobbing and she remembered him saying, they never loved me. They hate me. That's why they left. Like just sobbing uncontrollable. Albert, the youngest boy, goodie, goodie, Albert completely disagrees with everything Patsy said. He said, excuse me, their father did not abuse any of them.
00:17:17
Speaker
He just used a belt on them occasionally when they misbehave, which again, 1950s United States of America, you were allowed to actually discipline your kids and spank them. Um, he said that his father did drink beer and was abusive towards their mother. So that part of it was true. He also stated that they did have a neighbor named Harold, but he never attempted to abuse him.
00:17:41
Speaker
And he didn't know of a time that Patsy and Phillip were actually molested by this hero. But again, he was the baby. He was probably more sheltered. He had a different reality. So take that for what you will. So while there is different variations of this childhood,
00:18:01
Speaker
Um, I think that we can agree and correct me if I'm wrong. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire and the smoke is pretty thick so far. Something, something's awry. So, so we're going to move on from the childhood and we're going to talk a little bit about the teen years here. Um, most people agree that as a teenager, Phillip was very shy, very nice. He kept to himself, but was said to be extremely anxious.
00:18:30
Speaker
And he was anxious about everything which in the childhood describe PTSD. Exactly. One account from a classmate stated that he was always scared and easily bursted into tears.
00:18:44
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Another remembered him being very pale and thin, lonely, and said that he cried all the time. So there's, this is multiple, a lot of the stories add up here. There's always crying, there's anxiousness. There's another story. One of his, I wouldn't say friends, but someone who hung out with him for a little while.
00:19:06
Speaker
in high school said that he on two different occasions witnessed Phil and his sister Patsy having sex together and they thought it was funny and they brag about it and the real flower in the attics type of situation. Oh my god okay. Um so this this is okay all right
00:19:30
Speaker
According to Philip, so I gave you both two out of the three kids their statements and their view on their childhood.
Phillip's Disturbing Letters & Crimes
00:19:42
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But I left out Philip's and that's because I have a letter written from Philip.
00:19:49
Speaker
And again, if you are tuning in late and miss the first part, trigger warnings, all the trigger warnings, we've already hit some, but they're going to get worse. We haven't even gotten to the bad stuff. We're, we're tiptoeing in like we're going, we started in the shell and we're waiting into the deep end. We're fixing to get mid level here.
00:20:06
Speaker
But again, this is one of the letters Philip wrote while he was in prison. And again, there were people that chose to remain pin pals with the night stalker Richard Ramirez instead of this guy because of his letters. I'm gonna read you the letter exactly as he wrote it. And I'm gonna be uncomfortable the whole way through. So this is all him. This is not, I mean, if I paraphrase, I'll tell you, but this is the letter that I was able to find.
00:20:37
Speaker
Okay, here we go. When I was five years old, I was molested by my two male cousins who were babysitting me. When I told my dad, he confronted them and he believed them when they stated I made the whole thing up. I got a serious beating for lying. And then when they babysat me again, got it worse. They punished me. They bound me lightly and introduced me to mild torture.
00:21:02
Speaker
and I learned to keep my mouth closed. They passed me around to their friends and older men in the neighborhood. They owned me until I was seven years old. I was not broken yet until I was 12 years old. My dad owned apartments and rented one to a high school teacher. My dad hired him as my tutor and I was doing bad in school. During my first tutor session, he locked the door and told me to strip or he would do it for me.
00:21:31
Speaker
He stripped me and made me crawl into the bedroom slapping my petite butt cheeks with the back of my hand. Again, his words. He told me he is going to sodomize me. After that, he enjoyed me everywhere, but worse, he told me to fuck his son. After that, he was obsessed with men's dicks.
00:21:56
Speaker
He introduced me then to serious bondage and torture. This was his tutor? This was his tutor his father hired for him when he was 12. And he was an adult male. Yes. He was a teacher at a school. And this boy was 12.
00:22:09
Speaker
Philip was 12 when this happened. So he introduced me to serious bondage and torture. He told me to dress in panties and a bra with foam titty breasts built into them and how to wear makeup. Only a few Johns requested me to dress like a girl. He pimped me to two men for the night. They used me so bad. They teach me to deep throat a male dick. They give me a serious face fucking. They took my pride from me.
00:22:39
Speaker
I was now totally broken. They took exotic photos of me and tell me if I say anything, they would show them to my parents. The teacher hurt me until I was 14 years old. At 15, I pimped so stop. So for two years, this teacher who was hired to tutor him, raped him and pimped him out to his friend. That's after
00:23:03
Speaker
He was raped and molested by his older male cousins, not believed, beaten, tortured, and pimped out to their other friend. I am at a loss for words right now. And again, we're just tiptoeing into the deep end. We're not even to the deep end. We are tiptoeing. At 15, I pimp myself for the first time. I broke the neighbor's car windshield and went to knock on the door.
00:23:27
Speaker
The wife said her husband was in the guest house I mowed their lawn and we did their garden for them, and I think that's like he knew them because.
00:23:35
Speaker
He did like lawn work to get money. Right. This is an assumption because he doesn't go into depth in it. But he broke the windshield playing outside. So he went to tell the woman he knows them. When I knocked on the door to the guest house, he invited me into my doom. He said he was going to have to tell my dad. He didn't. He really didn't want to. But I had no way to pay for the windshield. He said, if I told my dad, I would get a serious beating.
00:24:01
Speaker
because it would take a lot of money to replace the windshield. He said there was a way to avoid beating by my dad. And I'm sorry, the way he writes is childlike. Yes, very much so. So it is very hard to read this, but it's very hard for multiple reasons, but it's hard to read it in a flow. Anyway, he said, let's see, he said there was a way to avoid
00:24:29
Speaker
beating by my dad he told me he knew my interest in boy bodies and if I got into bed with him I could encourage him not to tell my dad he said he'd been checking out my ass he'd been checking my ass out and like how it filled out my pants he told he told me he was a man and he was gay and obsessed with Mel Dix
00:24:54
Speaker
Philip then stated that he had oral sex with this neighbor man and they slept together for the first time describing himself then as this neighbor's loyal sexy play toy. He went into graphic details for multiple pages about the anal sex they had.
00:25:17
Speaker
I left that part out just for brevity, if anything else. But he said he he had me for four months, four months. This kid slept with this adult man to pay for a broken freaking windshield for months. What the hell is wrong with people?
00:25:35
Speaker
Oh, we're not even done with the letter. We're still going in the letter. I'm just. There was one like I do. I was when I was researching his letters, there was one person that got a 30 page letter from this man and it is all like this. All right. Back to the letter. At 16, I pimp myself again to a fucker. I was cuddling for fun. He asked me if I knew where we could find a male prostitute. They wanted to find a male prostitute. They could pose and take exotic photos of and have fun through a weekend.
00:26:04
Speaker
I told him that I was a prostitute and agreed to his terms. So this is some guy he's just not really fooling around with. But again, 16. Well, at this point. Right. He's like freaking programmed to do it. Yes. So I agreed to his terms when we got to the motel. He opened the door and I got a big surprise. There were five more men waiting to use me.
00:26:26
Speaker
He then goes into another couple pages describing this gangbang that he he lived through this weekend at this motel. And at the end, he was paid 200 bucks for a service by five grown men. He all are disgusting. I'm like, here's the deal. Faith, I can't do it. Why are you always trapped me in shit like that?
00:26:48
Speaker
Yeah. And, and there are, you can have a horrific childhood and not be a monster, but can you, are you surprised that Phillip turned into a monster? Cause I'm not. No, I'm not, but it's not even just that though. Like I'm, I'm still stuck on how any grown man can look at a kid and be like, that's hot.
00:27:10
Speaker
Yeah. And this kid like, come on, man. And if you, now there are people that are just messed up in the brain, but if you look at the accounts from his sister and you see how young he admits to things that he did to other people, he learned it somewhere. A B like his, his accounts of the teacher, um, sodomizing him, forcing him to do oral, telling him to,
00:27:37
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molest his own son, the teacher's son, to rape his young son, talking about dressing him up as a girl, pimping him out. When we get into episode two and you see Phillip's victim pool, he was taught that there did not need to be discretion when you hurt people. And the people that hurt him and the things they made him do, you see all the way through. So like you have to under, like, wonder about the strength of the, of a human brain.
00:28:05
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This kid was broken. Truth be told. Like, I mean, you know what I mean? This kid got broke. There are people that can be held hostage for 10 years and just be numb to it. Yeah. I'm just going to do what I'm told. And that's the end of it. And I'll die here. Yeah. And people that can be held hostage for 10 years and still look for ways to escape no matter what. Well, it's the perfect example. If you take a potato and put it in boiling water, the potato turns soft. If you put an egg in boiling water, it turns hard.
00:28:33
Speaker
Different thing, same circumstances, but two different, you know what I mean? Two different realities. So in this letter, he discussed his childhood things. He stated he raped two sisters when he was 10 years old. One of the sisters was nine and the other was four. That was the first time he raped. He stated that when he was 12, he got one of the sisters to help him seduce the other neighbor's nine year old son so he could rape him.
00:29:04
Speaker
He said that her best friend and some other guys then later turned around and raped his mother. And this is a direct quote. They all talked about fucking my mother in her huge ass. Who's mother? His mother, Phillip's mother. They Phillip raped his own mother? No. The girls that he raped the two sisters, the 10 year old and the four year old or the nine year old and four year old when he was 10, he continued to rape them. Okay.
00:29:29
Speaker
then groomed them to bring him other kids to rape. And when they got older, them and their friends turned against him and I guess in retaliation raped his mother. He also at that point says he got obsessed with young boys and girls. And he said, I love this. Sounds so medieval. It's this like, there's just like, there's, it's just lawless. It is mind blowing. Where was one adult that gave a single damn? Yeah.
00:29:58
Speaker
So he said that he was obsessed with younger boys and girls, direct quote, I was a pimp and love to pimp young stuff. Extreme trigger warning for the next slide paragraph. Um, and I will not go into detail on this, even though he did. And you will understand at the end of this paragraph, I'm going to keep it as, as status quo as I can. And if you have a problem with that, I'm sorry, research letters for yourself. I refuse to read this part.
00:30:23
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He said that the teacher, you know, the one that raped him and groomed him and taught him all these, these, these behaviors. Lended him a press camera and he learned to take family photos. And so he was then, you know, he'd take photos for money and he would take photos of infants telling the mothers how it was really cute to take pictures of their brand new infants with their clothes off with different props.
00:30:48
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just like we still do today. You always see the naked baby picture. However, he used these pictures for a whole nother reason. Let your minds wander there. And if that's not bad enough, if the mothers left the room for any reason, he said that gave him license to do whatever he wanted to that infant. Oh my God. And take photos while they were gone.
00:31:11
Speaker
The direct quote is, if the mother left the room, that infant was fair game. And that is all I will say on that matter. But there are a couple of pages detailing what he did to newborn infants. I don't even want to know. No, I don't either. I refuse to read it. I'm not going to let my imagination run because you're six, six of.
00:31:29
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And I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is not a known man. This is not a known serial killer. You want to know why, in my opinion? Because he's a pedophile. No, because his court case was around the same time as, oh, let's see, O.J. Simpson's. So what takes precedent? The celebrity.
00:31:51
Speaker
So he went to detail about how he wanted to start pimping out other kids. And he had a plan. He focused on foster kids, runaways, adopted kids. That's who he started pimping out. So with all that, you know. Sorry, the sometimes faith has to take a pause break for me.
00:32:10
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Oh, I, I, because she knows that I'm a little bit, um, vulgar when I get really upset. And so I give her the motion and I vent to her privately for a moment. I come down and we jump back in. So that was that there's no calming down. The fact that now I get his childhood was horrific. And I believe gruesome is the one that made this statement first, the podcast gruesome.
00:32:31
Speaker
that it's okay to feel bad for the kid but that doesn't excuse your behavior as an adult. I didn't go through his childhood so you would to rationalize or excuse the fact with the photo situation that I'm not going into again are the fact that he then turned around and looked for vulnerable kids to pimp out. I'm telling you what what created a monster.
00:32:53
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Yeah, absolutely. It did. And that's why why there are varying degrees of supposedly, quote unquote, supposedly, supposedly what happened in his childhood. Something happened to this guy.
00:33:08
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to severely damage his psyche. Absolutely. And make it to where he didn't care. So we're going to get into another letter of his. Great. And this letter I really again don't want to read but.
00:33:25
Speaker
It's, it's going to lead into part two a lot. So, okay. And the language, okay. Number one, this letter is going to make me very uncomfortable. So I'm just going to try to get through it. I'm not going to look Lisa at Lisa the entire time I read it. It's awkward. It's horrible. I don't like it. And I apologize for the language, even though I know most of you don't care.
00:33:45
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So this is about his sex life, if you will, when he's an adult. And this letter is titled, My First Fuck with a Large Fat Woman. Awesome. So I'll tell you about my first fuck with a large fat woman. I was 17 years old and would fuck anyone with a tight pussy or tight anal, especially real boys. Guess Pinocchio was out there.
00:34:12
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I don't know why he says the things he says. I, it makes me highly uncomfortable. Please stop staring at me. She was the owner of a Chinese restaurant and I was a dishwasher and driver. One night she asked me to drive her to her apartment. When we arrived, she invited me in her big mistake.
00:34:31
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Once inside, I had my hands all over her. She said, you don't waste any time, do you? I was told she was going to slip into something more comfortable. I waited a few minutes, then walked into the bedroom. When I walked in, she was nude. So she laid down and I mounted her and it was the worst fuck of my life. She sweated like a fucking hippo. And I mean, she sweated so much, it was like fucking water.
00:34:58
Speaker
I thought I would slide off of her and she just kept pleading for my cum. I punched the hippo and said, you're lucky I'm fucking you. You'll get my cum when I'm ready to give it to you. Then I put it in her ass. I called her a fat fucking whale and a hippo and the worst fuck I ever had that I punched her in her huge breast.
00:35:22
Speaker
I got off her and she asked me if I'd spend the night with her. I told her I would do it on my own conditions. She had to crawl to me and lick my balls and then lick my dick. She said she would agree but preferred to put her mouth around my dick because she'd never had one in her mouth before. Once she had my dick in her mouth, she was in for a big surprise. I slowly slid my big dick to the back of the slut's mouth
00:35:49
Speaker
and gave her a serious face fucking to the point where she was choking and could barely breathe. Then I held her nose closed and buried her face in my groin until she swallowed all my cum, then hit her in the face and pushed her to the floor where I kicked her in the stomach twice. I told her to crawl into the bedroom and to get up and bend over.
00:36:11
Speaker
She didn't know what was happening until I pulled those large ash cheeks aside and she said, please feel not there. I didn't listen and continued. She begged and cried asking me to stop. The pain was too much, but I held her still by the head of her hair and continues to sodomize her while beating her with my belt until welts were all along her. Then I introduced her to bondage and torture. I got my pocket knife and severed her nipples and sliced the sluts pussy.
00:36:41
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I made her crawl all over her apartment telling her she was my slut and sex slave. She begged me for one more session. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But this is his account of his 17 year old sex life. And while I want to say some of this is exaggerated, when we get to the victims in part two, story holds pretty true.
00:37:07
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Yeah. She didn't press any charges. She didn't call the cops. You will find shockingly, shockingly how many times and how long he goes because people don't press charges against this man. The only thing I can think honest to goodness, because I have been dwelling on this case for two weeks because I would do some research and, and, and quite literally I'd have to take a break.
00:37:36
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Your brain can only handle being in the dark that much. And my brain couldn't, like when I got to the point where it was too much, I stopped. I took two weeks to write this and I had to stop several times just because it was a bit much, quite frankly. No matter if you listen to it, you know, listen to it, you're watching it or you're reading it, it's just too much.
00:37:59
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It's a whole freaking lot, but there are so many times that if someone would have pressed charges, but on the other hand, this is late 50s, early 60s in the United States of America. Yeah, I know.
00:38:14
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So bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I know, you know, and she was a foreigner. So I'm sure I'm sure that made it much worse. Right. Well, I would assume she was a foreigner. Yeah. I don't know that that's well, she owned the Chinese restaurant from what he said. Right. And like, I mean, honestly, nowadays, most ownerships of an Asian restaurant are Asian. Yeah. But more than that, she was a woman in the late 50s, early 60s. Yeah. You were still supposed to remain pure till marriage. It was a shame on you and your family if you didn't.
00:38:44
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Most of the time you'd be forced to marry your, um, your assailant. So that's why I think he got away with it so long. It was the era. But anyway, um, in high school, he was part of, I want to get this word correct. Cause I typed it too far up. He was a part of the cadet club, which is ROTC nowadays. Yeah.
00:39:08
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And in 1966, this monster graduated high school.
Phillip's Violent Relationships
00:39:13
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Again, everything I've told you while he's in high school and younger. He's just now graduating high school. He enlisted in 1966 in the army and shipped off to Vietnam and ends up being an MP, which is a military police.
00:39:30
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Nice. So this monster now has a badge, handcuffs and a gun in a foreign country during wartime. And they get away with a lot during wartime. Let's just be real. Yes. So while in high school, before the military, he met a girl named Alice McGowan. So when he gets back from overseas, it's 1968. He and Alice get married.
00:39:50
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Once they're married, Alice lived with his parents for the first two months of their marriage while he was still on base back from overseas. That household we talked about growing up, that's where he sent his new wife to live, his childhood, his high school sweetheart. And then she followed Phillip to Texas where he got stationed after he was released from overseas duty. According to Alice, when Phillip returned from overseas, he was a changed man.
00:40:20
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completely different. He was sweet and quiet when they were in high school. He was very passive in their relationship mainly because he was apparently getting his aggression out everywhere else. I was just going to say because he was living a bipolar lifestyle. Yes. Because remember all his friends in high school said he was anxious all the time and crying all the time. And I think at that point he did still have a conscience.
00:40:43
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I think he was so angry about what was happening. And this is all just my speculation and my hope, I guess. He was so angry about what was happening to him and what happened to him and he had no control and he had no power. So he went for people weaker than him and did the same thing he'd been taught. Correct. That does not excuse the behavior. Just a BT dubs. I know we all know that, but still.
00:41:07
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Yes, but she said when he came back there was a different looking eye and he was completely changed. She said he was really mean and she wasn't sure if he was even really with it all the time like present.
00:41:21
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OK, but he just came back from Vietnam. That was not a good time for those. I mean, there was no quote unquote PTSD. You dealt with it. And he already has extreme trauma in his life. So she said that when she moved to Texas to go with her husband, he became extremely violent during sex. One time she recalls he put a pillow on her face trying to suffocate her. Another time he grabbed her by the throat and choked her until she lost consciousness.
00:41:51
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Another time he came into the bathroom while she was taking a bath and attempted to drown her. There was another occasion when she was pregnant that he began to strangle her until his mother pleading toxins into him and got her to stop attempting to kill his pregnant wife. Just to back up Alice's statements, not that I personally think that she's lying. This is a statement Philip made.
00:42:15
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I tried to murder Alice five times, once by drowning her, twice by strangling her, once with the cord, once with my bare hands, and twice by suffocating her, once with a pillow, the other with my bare hands. She has survived my many attempts to murder her." Direct quote. I can't like- No, no, no, no. So November 19- Seriously, like this guy straight up right now. Based solely on his childhood.
00:42:41
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solely on the things that he's done, he is the pure definition of a lunatic. He's broken. There's nothing there anymore that's good. No, there's not one redeeming quality in this man. Your place in society, my friend? Nowhere. No, no. In November of 1968, remember, same year they got married, Alice leaves him, taking the kid with her.
00:43:05
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She would you stay? He tried to kill you while you were pregnant. She got her kid left like same year they got married. And Phil quickly becomes involved with another woman named Jane Sanders on their very first date. He raped her. She did not report it because it was the 60s again and instead continued to see him for four years. Yes.
00:43:31
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Now in this one, I think, I think this one is a little bit different because he had something on her. Now the first day he raped her, but that was not the first time they're met. You want to know their meet cute? Harley Quinn and the Joker. He was in a psych ward and she was the nurse taking care of him when they got out.
00:43:50
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He asked her out, she became enamored with him, she went out and he raped her. But he had something on her, I think, to keep that up, right? Regardless, so she continues to see him for another four years. In 1969, a year later, Jane is pregnant with Phillip's second child now, because this man should reproduce. At this point, Phillip leaves the military and relocates back to California, where his family's from.
00:44:20
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And they move in with his parents for a while and then move into their own house. Jane states that their sex life was extremely violent. At one point in the middle of sex, she said that she wanted to stop. She didn't say why. But his answer to that was to hold a pistol to her head and say she better continue or else.
00:44:40
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OK, another time he pistol whipped her in the middle of sex, causing her to become unconscious. And when she came back to, he was still having sex with her body. Another occasion over her objection strongly, he tied her to the bed during sex and then left her tied up there. He tried to smother her with a pillow during sex.
00:45:02
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She lost consciousness again. And again, when she became conscious, he was still having sex with her body in 1972. At this point, she has two children, a boy and a girl, which I won't say their names because they don't need to be mentioned. She made him so angry. He picked up a frying pan, a cast iron frying pan from the stove.
00:45:21
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which was on full of hot boiling oil and threw it at her. Fortunately, he missed because you know how bad boiling water hurts. Yes. Can you imagine boiling oil? He missed and starts to charge her. Jane does the only thing she can. She picked up that cast iron frying pan and hit him over the head, knocking him out cold. Thank you. She grabbed her kids and left and never looked back, which is
00:45:49
Speaker
That part's pretty good. God, somebody gave it to him. Geez. Well, the problem is too many people gave it to him when he was young and made it. Yeah. So she she beat him over the head with that pan, knocked him out, grabbed her two babies and holla. So then he meets 1972. We're going to jump a little bit. He's working as a salesperson for a company that
00:46:16
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Uh, sells and trains security attack dogs. Nice. So this man has already been an MP with a license, handcuffs, and gun. Now he's got attack dogs. During his course over- Hey, I really don't like where this story's going. Then I don't want to listen anymore.
00:46:33
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Well, if it makes you feel better, we're almost done with part one. Yay. And we're still not even waist deep in the crap. Faith. He meets a woman named Marsh and her husband. He sells them to attack dogs. He delivers their dogs and teaches them how to handle, delivers the dog to their home, teaches them how to handle their new dogs. In December, 1972, they called him and said they were having an issue with one of the dogs. The command, something, I don't know. The husband says, I need you to come over.
00:47:03
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and help assist whenever you can is fine but not this specific day let's say not Tuesday the 15th because I've got a work late can't be there so any other day works right guess when he decides to go over Tuesday the 15th yep that's when he does so he walks in the house and he sits down on the couch with Marsha and talks to her listens to the issues with the dog that's happening and whatever it was he doesn't describe it it's never described but he says here's the deal that this is what we'll do I want you to go
00:47:33
Speaker
and look out the window, go to the bedroom window, look out into the backyard, I'm gonna take the dog outside. I want you to watch what I do with the dog, watch how I handle the dog, watch how my behavior is with the dog, and take some notes, that way you can mimic it and see how to fix it, right? Perfect, so she goes to the bedroom window, looks out, he's not outside.
00:47:54
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because he's coming up behind her and holds a knife to her throat that he got out of their kitchen, I'm assuming. He tells her to undress. And if you don't, I'm gonna kill your kids that are in the other room. She undresses. Of course. And he, any woman would, he proceeds to rape her at knife point. And in the middle of sex, he takes the end of the knife and hits her in the face.
00:48:20
Speaker
So hard, he fractured her orbital bone as he continues to rape her. So if this is not enough for poor Marsha, he's not leaving anywhere when he's done. He's gonna hang out for a little while with her and her eight month old baby in the room. And with that eight month old baby in the room, he ties Marsha's hands behind her back because he's, you know, ready to go again and anally rapes her.
00:48:46
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He tells her, my wife just left me. I don't know why I'm doing this, but now you could identify me. So what are we going to do? Right. As he's telling this, the dog starts going banana sandalges outside. At first, I was like, you've got a tack dog. How is this happening? Trained a tack dog, but they were outside. They're also.
00:49:08
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Surrounded by the guy that trained them. Exactly. Well, he was the salesperson. He just knew the training. Okay. So the dogs start going crazy and he says, here's the deal. Need you to go get the dogs and bring them inside. If you run, I'm going to kill this baby.
00:49:23
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I'm gonna kill your other kid because they're staying inside with me. So go get dogs, keep your mouth shut, and come back inside. And she does it. Hell no, she doesn't. She runs as fast as she can to her neighbor's house, bangs on the door, because remember, fractured orbital bone.
00:49:38
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There was no way for him to keep the secret. Runs to the neighbor, beats on his door. This guy's Johnny on the spot comes outside.
Phillip's Arrest & Legal Challenges
00:49:47
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Now it was a risky gamble on her part because we've already said what he does to infants. She doesn't know that, but she's left two very appealing victims for him. It was risky. But typically when you're being attacked or whatever, if you can get away, you run and get help because they're cowards and they're going to run.
00:50:08
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Nine times out of 10. You would hope so. So she runs her neighbor's house, beats on the door. Johnny on the spot has a shotgun in his hand. As he walks out of his house, Phil's trying to make a run for it. Cocks his shotgun and says, uh-uh, and holds that shotgun on him until police get there. Oh, so this story is going to take a turn for the better, right? Right now? Like my favorite stories, where he goes to like jail for 10 minutes and then gets released, right? We're going to get there.
00:50:37
Speaker
So the cops get there and he tells him, my wife just left me. I don't know why I did that. Don't know why, because that's an excuse. I've got a couple of reasons why your wife left you, Bubbo. You want to list alphabetically? Worst the best, best the worst. What do you want? And we don't look into any of it either, right? Like actually that, you know, he tells them when they're interrogating. I don't I didn't know what I was doing at the time. Everything was blanked out for me. I just wasn't myself.
00:51:03
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I figured to myself with a doctor's care and supervision, it would never happen again. That's his statement to the cops. So what do the cops do? They feel bad for him. Nope. They say there's absolutely nothing wrong with you. There's nothing abnormal. Abnormal. You look like every single victim, every single suspect we've ever had. Let's go to prison, bro. Ham take him off. He actually does. Like he gets, he gets, he gets put in prison for this. How long?
00:51:31
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This is where we're going to leave it. No, no. How long? We're going to leave it now. He does not stay here, obviously, because part two, I said this this episode pels in comparison to where we're going. What? Seventy two, you said. Yeah, I think we are in seventy two. Yes, seventy two. So we're finally getting to a place where there's more justice than there used to be. Yeah. But not really as much as there should be. Yeah. But I'm going to bring it up with the case that I talked about last week.
00:52:00
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that the woman that molested the 15 year old got 20 years. Yeah. I'm just going to throw that out there. 20 years. The deal is on this case, I think that they're now usually when we see somebody that keeps getting picked up by the cops dropped off, picked up by the cops dropped off type of deal, like it's bull crap that they get off. Like there's no extenuating circumstances. Yeah, I agree. I think this guy's past plays heavily into
00:52:26
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I think the fact that he was a Vietnam vet and obviously mentally, he is unwell. He is not right mentally. There's nothing excuses what he's done. So let's put him in prison for 10 minutes and then release him back onto society knowing, knowing the guys mentally unwell.
00:52:42
Speaker
This is where we're gonna, he's in prison. We're safe right now. Let's end on a safe note. I can't. And you can't research it because you've already promised. I won't, I won't, I won't research anything, but I'm going to tell you right now that I'm behaving this week. I can't promise that next week because every fiber of my being right now wants this guy to have like
Discussion on Rehabilitation Impossibility
00:53:04
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Just Judas is cradle, buddy, like tie weights around him until he is completely split in half. In my in my in my opinion, there is never been anything. There's no torture that has ever been just for the fact that he said if the mothers left the room, that infant was fair game. You're done. There is nothing bad enough for you. You don't deserve to rot in prison. You don't deserve air. You just need to be put down like a rabid dog because that's what we do to rabid animals. Yeah.
00:53:33
Speaker
So yeah, dogs lose their minds. We put them down. Yeah. And it and people are animals. And there is no rehabilitation for this. No, there is none. There's not. I just proven that. I'm sorry. But the government's proven that time and time again. Oh, 100 times over. 100 times over. How many times have we released these people that go right back into it? And it was a case I discussed a little while back with dude that went to prison and then he got out released on good behavior. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And then turns around.
00:54:01
Speaker
freaking kills a slumber party. Yep. They go into his house and they don't do any research. Yeah. And they do. They do nothing with it. No, nothing. Like I can't. Yeah. I just can't. I can't anymore. 2023. Yeah. This is we are becoming a bunch of freaking fairies and.
00:54:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be mean. It's like the guy from Louisiana says, oh, drinking avocado taste eaten like this. So I says snowflakes. That's what we all are. Woke avocado toast eaten. Oat milk drinking can't handle society. I love him.
00:54:42
Speaker
I don't know. Is that Lindsay? Yeah, the guy from I don't know his name, but I'm not saying this is as a as a Democrat or Republican either way. You look at a case like this and sympathy for somebody like that is not like what? Why do they deserve it? Well, the thing is, I feel in the bottom of my heart, like, don't do the core of me.
00:55:05
Speaker
what Phillip as a child went through, I feel for him. I agree. I hate that he went through that. I there's no justifications of even the night stalker you were talking about earlier. Yeah. Like he bashed his head how many times when he was a kid? Yeah. And you know, that's got to do some stuff to write at some point, like whatever. It still doesn't like. OK, again, again, I'm going to come off crude. I'm going to come off as like maybe
00:55:34
Speaker
a Neanderthal, I guess, I don't know, but your true self, your place in society when you do stuff like that is not based on your mental state. No, not it's it's there is no justification, not like there are things I can I can understand.
00:55:53
Speaker
Okay. When you get into a fight with somebody and you guys are going blow for blow. Yeah. And you take one wrong shot and you kill somebody that wasn't, you didn't do it on purpose. You know what I'm saying? When you're somebody and you're like, okay, like him, perfect prime, prime example, the teacher. Okay. So he's in this, in this boat right now.
00:56:17
Speaker
Being abused. Yeah, physically, mentally, sexually, sexually. OK. And by someone, I mean, like, I mean, yeah. And he turned around one day and like stabbed him in the neck with a pencil. Just a guy. Yeah, he died. Yeah. At that point, I could look at that kid and be like, I would have to. Yeah, 100 percent. You know what I mean? Like, but.
00:56:39
Speaker
When you're suffering through all of this stuff, and I get it, I understand that not all brain waves function on the same level. There's fight or flight, and a lot of people are fight, and a lot of people are flight, and a lot of people are freezing. I totally understand that. But what I'm telling you, the moment you cross that line for yourself, it is a no-holds bar, and whatever happens to you in society was your fault. My thing, it is a psychological phenomenon to me.
00:57:09
Speaker
I like how you said that the right way instead of the joke that we have, but whatever. Yeah, it is. I cannot wrap my feeble mind around the fact little Phillip, who was raped, molested, pimped out, beaten.
00:57:25
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He hated every moment of that. Yeah. Could do it to somebody else. I don't understand that and it's so common. And I'll jump backwards a little bit and say, I don't understand. Honest to God, I do not understand how any human being, any human, I don't care if you're a woman. I know exactly what you're gonna say. I don't care if you're a man. Can look at a situation with a kid and you're just okay with this? Nope.
00:57:52
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Like I know I know what fear no, I know fear Okay, my fears are totally different than a lot of other people's field fears, but fear is fear Yes, everybody has the things that that that cripple them when you get confronted with it Okay, but even if I had to live under the bridge with my kid to get away from someone I would yeah especially if it came to Abuse and molestation. Well, that's what Janice his second
00:58:19
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second partner that had the two kids with him, the frying pan lady. She said that her biggest fear was one day he was going to go too far when he choked her and beat her and he was going to kill her and her children were going to be left with him. Like she was looking for an out, but it's also the most dangerous when you're leaving. We know that. And there weren't a lot of resources for women in that day and age with children.
00:58:45
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So she, I mean, she didn't have a lot of options. She was trying, but she was terrified of that. And when he threw that pan at her, that was it. That was her final straw. She knocked him out cold with that pan and took her babies and ran. That's right. Is the only good part of this whole story. I'm going to tell you, well, I'm going to say it like a 9 11 was recent, right? And so all through like tick talking stuff, there were,
00:59:09
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You know, all the stories about everything that happened in 2011. I'm sorry, not 2009-11. Yeah.
00:59:16
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It was talking about the people and they had a choice. And I feel like all of these circumstances that we all face in life, you always have a choice. You do. And their choice was death either way. Yeah. Either way. Mm hmm. And so I feel like in some of this particular where you said she whacked them and she ran. Yeah. And she didn't really care what happened after that. Because at that point they were all faced with the same choice. And I feel like in a situation like that,
00:59:46
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All of the women are. A hundred percent. You are faced with a choice. They can, like you can die by the fire.
00:59:53
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Yeah, or you can die by the by the ground by the fall. Yeah, right. And it's a good it's going to hurt worse if you stay in the fire. Yeah, 100 percent. It's going to hurt worse. That's a really crappy analogy based solely on like. But it's an event that I'm not saying death is the end result. Right. No, but there are a lot of people that could go find help. And but sometimes. But if you don't struggle after this, if you don't think you have another choice. Yeah.
01:00:21
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If you think you're going to die either way, which way is the the lesser evil, the least painful death? And I think that that was the situation he was in. I know that analogy is a little far fetched. It is not. But to me, I believe that suicide is wrong. But in a situation like that, you know, you're not going to be saved. And I could either have my skin melted off or just plummet to my death. I think I just plummet to my death. Who knows? I don't know the opposite. I don't. I'm too afraid to jump.
01:00:50
Speaker
well that's high that's either here nor there and i think if you're you were faced with the flames you know again fight or flight faith and are free god willing god willing god willing yeah you're still gonna burn alive now you die from the car but you die from the smoke inhalation pass out for the flames to get you not not with the majority of these people that the flames were standing behind them i just i'm just saying
01:01:13
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Wow, like- And this is not- Honestly- Can I just throw out here, I am not criticizing women that deal with this on a daily basis. No, utmost respect and pain in my heart for you. No, because I get it. Yeah. I am blessed with family that if I turn around tomorrow and told either one of my brothers that something bad was going on in my relationship- They'd beat the crap out of them.
01:01:39
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My boyfriend would cease to exist, right? Like not everybody has that option. And this is the same in your family. Yeah. Not everybody has that option. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying for your sake and for the kid's sake, how much punishment are you going to be willing to go through before that? Now I just feel like I'm sticking my foot in my face. I know what you mean and people who've listened know what you mean, but
01:02:04
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Yeah, because I'm not good at explaining things. You know what you want to say, but you can't get it out. I do that all the time. Yeah, I've been training with a guy all week at work who came from the shop and he actually injured his back, so he's been helping me out. Yeah. And I'll just sit there and I'll say something to him and he looks at me and he'll be like, no, now tell me like you're talking to a kindergartner, Lisa, because clearly, and I'm like, no, no, bro, it's not you, it's me. No.
01:02:29
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I say all the time, spit the fact either to my clients or to my employees. Like I'll explain something. I'm like, now in my head, that made sense. Did what come out of my mouth? Right. Right. And they'll tell me yes or no. Yeah. Um, in all honesty, we're not even to the bad part of this story yet. Have you ever heard of worse? Like this is, I'm, yes, I'm not, there's not a great, I'm gonna tell you why I'm going to tell you why this, this feels worse. Okay. For a couple of reasons.
01:02:59
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Okay. First reason. He's doing it to kids. Infants. That's why it's worse. Yeah. That taps it out. Because when you talk about pure, 100% innocence, you would look at a baby. Nope, I would not. And I'll tell you right now, if I ever had another baby, there will never be a naked photo of that child taken.
01:03:25
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I never took a naked photo of my son. I don't like it. I don't think it's appropriate. Not based on the fact of like, oh, I don't think it's appropriate because he's nude or whatever. It's innocent and I get it. And babies will breastfeed. There's nothing perverted about that. But there are people out there that make it perverted. That's why.
01:03:52
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So I'm gonna leave this here. No, you're a whore. I don't like you. He's in prison. Everyone's safe and sound for now. And for those listening in 24 hours, we'll pick right back up. Lisa, you got a few days to recuperate. I feel like you're just giving me a few days to come up with the perfect punishment.
01:04:15
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That's it. Yeah. Like, I'm going to be Googling. I'm going to be Googling. What's the best way to torture someone? What sounds great? Yeah. Okay, guys. I'm not saying that I won't Google that. I'm just saying that. I may or may not tell you about it. I don't know.
01:04:36
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Well for tonight that is all guys go Go do some meditation some yoga watch trash TV do what you need to do To clean yourself and get ready to buckle up for part two in 24 hours. Bye Bye