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Make Stato Great Again! | Round 1 AFL Fantasy #PODPOD
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Is the Foss officially back? Is Dossy really a contender this year? Do Rory Laird owners panic? Is Chandler a must-have? Yes, no, no, and maybe, but the lads discuss ALL the major talking points of round 1 in great detail in what was an EPIC first week back!
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Transcript
Introduction and Context
00:00:02
Speaker
you
00:00:17
Speaker
G'day, and welcome to
Round One Highlights and Crew Introduction
00:00:19
Speaker
the Pod Pod. It's your boy, Dossi, on this Monday night, March 20th, 2023, following round one of the AFL season, and more importantly, the AFL fantasy season. Round one had a bit of everything, plenty of mid prices firing early, some pretty solid rookie scores, a few unfortunate injuries, Kyle and Hami, a tag hero there, and one major captain option that did not show up.
00:00:45
Speaker
Joining me, as always, to chat all things about the round that was and what's to come in round two. It's the full Pod Pod crew. We have the highly credentialed lads of Holmesy, Louie, Hammy, but more importantly, a man who's living by his pre-season mantra. Make Stado great again. Statesman. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much, Dossie. Great to hear your dulcet tones.
Crew Performance and Strategies
00:01:11
Speaker
The old voice is still struggling along there, but he might have to take over soon.
00:01:16
Speaker
Yeah, be my guest. It is a struggle. I'll get my voice right soon, folks. But let's talk about the other lads. We've got to talk about Stado's score very soon, but we will get to that segment. Hami, how are you, mate? Oh, I'm not going too bad. Thanks, Dos. Don't have as big a smile on my face as Stado, that's for sure, coming into tonight. Yes, another depressing man on the crew is Holmesy. A bit flat as well yourself there, mate.
00:01:44
Speaker
Yeah, look mate, we've been better, but you've been calling me grumpy, homesy, all pre-season, so I've decided I need to turn it around. So, I've had a shocker to start, a bit of a lot of unlucky things really, but a few things that I need to fix, but I'm choosing to be positive from here and there's only one way up. So, keen to workshop it with you lads tonight so I can start to climb back up. Yeah, can't wait to have a chat about all things round one and heading into round two. Louis, how are you, mate?
00:02:12
Speaker
Good, thanks mate. It's good to have Footy back as a football librarian, a fantasy lover. So it's an interesting week. We saw how some of the cards fell and just came to start getting into some of the trade strategy where hats are truly won. Yep. Well, before we get into that, let's do our round recap and we're switching it up this
'Lux or Sucks' Segment
00:02:33
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year. We're using a segment that we used in the preseason, but we're switching it into our weekly segment to describe the round that was. It's Lux or Sucks.
00:02:44
Speaker
All right, this is gonna be our round score review that sort of thing plus a play we liked and didn't like and that is the Lux or sucks part of this segment. Who are we gonna start with? Oh Bottom to top or just a random mix. Let's start with homesy. You said you're a happy man. Kick it off, mate
00:03:02
Speaker
Yeah, nice of you to go bottom to top, Dossie. Great work. Nah, so yeah. Bit of a stinker for me, lads. 1911 started on Friday night with a Tom Stewart injury. Never really helps, but the sucks I'm going to put on is myself. I decided to take a bit of a risk and go really light in defense. I thought that might be a bit of a play this year.
00:03:23
Speaker
Unfortunately now with a couple of forced injuries it's it's many I'm starting really behind so that's definitely the sucks there and now with some of these backline rookies maybe being under a bit of pressure to hold their spot as well it's not looking like a good decision in hindsight.
00:03:39
Speaker
My Lux, I'm going to go a little bit left field and I'm actually going to give it to Sean Darcy at R2. So for all of the panic that I had for R2 in the pre-season, Sean Darcy putting up a 104 against St Kilda in that game, you know, that's close enough to what English did for that 115. So for Price, I was pretty happy with how that played out.
00:04:01
Speaker
Yeah, gonna talk more about Shawnee Darcy in a little bit. Very impressive first game of the season. Louis, how was your round?
00:04:09
Speaker
Yeah not too bad mate, copped a couple of bullets in Josh Kelly and one of the guys I'll speak about in a moment but I scored 1988 for the round so just shy of that 2k mark which I was a little bit cut up about but that put me at ranked 25,307 so part of that 25k club which is quite nice.
00:04:31
Speaker
The lux goes to James Sicily I think. He turned it over pretty well for that 130 and I think Touchwood that might be a sign of things to come for him as well just by the eye test and the sucks unfortunately was Fergus Green with the 30 on field at F6.
00:04:50
Speaker
I just felt that mature age had been putting up decent numbers in the VFL against Essendon, that he might be one that would pop a 50 or 60, but also overarching all that, I thought he might be the one who's least likely to be the sub, being that he's a few years older, a few more years in the system, a little bit fitter, and fortunately it just wasn't the right play. So Fergus Green gets the sucks for me.
00:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, it's a bit rough. Let's head over to Hami for his recap.
00:05:22
Speaker
So Ram, my score was 2013 points, so similar to Holmes here there. I had Stuart and Josh Kelly as well, and Josh Kelly was ticking really well there. I think he was sort of catching up to Tom Green, but then got the head knock. So my ranking, 18,947. So I'm coming from a long way back, not quite as far back as Lou, but we've got a bit of work to do.
00:05:48
Speaker
My Lux pick, I'm going to throw out James Warpool. He's put out a score of 96 there, priced at 52. That's the sort of value pick that we really look for in the preseason. So he's a guy that's just put up a score 40 above his priced at figure.
Rory Laird Dilemma
00:06:08
Speaker
So that's pretty awesome. But on the flip side, my sucks has got to be Tom Stewart. So yeah.
00:06:14
Speaker
It only took the fifth quarter of footy for the season to hit an injury. So priced at 94 and on that score of 14. So that was a bit of a sad result for me there.
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah, two very sad coaches with the Tom Stewart injury and yeah, Paul went out for all the coaches out there that dealt with an injury too, whether it was a Tom Stewart or a Tristan Sherry, you know, both options looking good early. I mean, Tom Stewart barely had a chance to show if he was looking good or not, but both options, you know, solid enough choices and he just got incredibly unlucky with the
00:06:48
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first round of the season injuries. We will talk about replacements as well coming up in our questions and hot topics, but let's get to Dossie. Just the mild score for me this week, bit disappointed with the 21-34 rank of 16-68, if you don't mind. But yeah, a lot of work to do for the boys. But I'll give my lucks first before we get to the sucks.
00:07:12
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I was thinking about the wheel setter field 122, but I got to give it to Tommy Cole with his 70 down back homesy and a brilliant display from the West Coast Defender, wouldn't you say? Yep. Well done, Dos. Cheers, mate.
00:07:32
Speaker
No comment from, uh, from Holmes. He, I thought he was supposed to be a bit more cheery, uh, on the suck side of things, uh, Jack Bowie. Look, uh, I think I had the right idea with the matchup play. All the other defenders fired. He just sat himself on the bench. Didn't get involved in any of the garbage time and scored a 62. So Jake Bowie is my sucks. Unfortunately, I can't wait for it very cheerily now. I can't wait for there to be a 40 K ranking swing later on in the end of the season for our rankings to flip costs. It's going to be fantastic.
00:08:02
Speaker
It ain't happening mate, it ain't happening, you're dreaming. Okay, it's time. Make Stado great again, take it away. Thanks, Tossie boy. Yes, decent start, 2168, which has given me a rank of 477, which is a nice start. I will say I don't get overboard with round one results because it's actually more about structure.
00:08:27
Speaker
And to be fair, I feel for the boys that had to deal with the carnage. But I think the fantasy gods have looked down on Stado and said 13 injuries in five rounds after the buys last year. You deserve one round of a little bit of good luck, because that's what happens at the end of the day.
00:08:47
Speaker
and a fill for a couple of boys that were Tom Stewart owners because he was in my team for a fair bit of the pre-season and that's just pure unlucky. So a score of 14 versus you know I decided to go with a with a day cost who gave 114 so that's just a hundred point difference just with a little bit of luck.
00:09:10
Speaker
in saying that day cost is likely to get tagged and it's got a very hard opponent even if he doesn't get tagged against Port Adelaide next week. So I'm expecting not to stay within the top 500 next week, in fact it'll resettle and we'll get a bit more of an understanding by about round three of everywhere it sits. I don't mind the structure though, although I missed
00:09:33
Speaker
on one of their high scoring rookies which was a little bit foolish but this is what week one's all about fixing. The Lux pick goes to Jared Wittes.
00:09:45
Speaker
which I think you guys heard me talk about three or four weeks ago. Just so much concern with that ruck line and just did not know. Obviously some brave people went Sean Darcy and it paid off really well. I ended up having Marshall, which hurt, and Witz as Marr too. Expecting a good score round one and probably settled down round two, three and four.
00:10:11
Speaker
but wasn't expecting the 137 that he pumped out, so that was a nice added bonus. My sucks, if you can imagine with a score, there wasn't too many that were poor, but one that underachieved for me, which was Sarong, an 83. What probably really hurt is he was settled,
00:10:33
Speaker
Until that last practice game and all the talk about him having a career year that Fidesi's ever been, a tight midfield group and performance in pre-season, they were just ticking all boxes at 770k.
00:10:48
Speaker
These break out only priced at 88, but to give me an 83 round one. But I won't put him on the chopping block. He's got North Melbourne and West Coast eagles over the next two weeks. So I'll give him an opportunity to redeem himself.
00:11:06
Speaker
Right, Stado keeping a fairly solid lid on it, I'd say, keeping it very steady there and not trying to get too ahead of himself, even though he does want to be made great again. Although I will say, Dossi, just very quickly, I am ranked 370 in Super Coach. Oh, geez. Yeah, I've really been pouring in time into that format, haven't you?
00:11:30
Speaker
And look, I will say I've had a bit of bad luck over the last few years, but I just went back and said this year I'm just going to go overboard with the research. Very busy man with work, but I just dedicated to say I'm just going to do a lot more preparation and it's paid off.
00:11:50
Speaker
I appreciate you doing all that research and not sharing any of it with us mate. There's only one player in my list that I haven't talked to you guys about and he might fail this week which is probably a good reason why I haven't pumped him up.
00:12:05
Speaker
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00:13:05
Speaker
Let's get into the major hot topics of the week. I think a lot of coaches are going to want to know what we think about Rory Laird and his poo-poo score. I don't know if any of us had him to start with, so probably hasn't got to mention in our Lux or Sucks segment, but guys.
00:13:23
Speaker
What are our thoughts on Rory Laird? We've got a lot of questions to get through regarding this. We'll mix in the questions in this hot topic, but Rory Laird, I want our thoughts to start with. And who wants to kick us off? Because it is a big, big topic of discussion. Whether people want to trade, get the cash back, or whether people stick fat, do they still put the C on him?
00:13:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think where it needs to kind of start. So Adelaide was so dominant in that first half and there was just no defence coming from the GWS midfielders whatsoever. So Rory Laird really builds his score on secondary stoppages. So being around, get that first tackle, then secondary stoppage, get another one, maybe a handball out and really building from there. So that was a bit of a concern.
00:14:06
Speaker
From that point of view, it was very clearly Richelli and Rankin adding that sort of dynamic part to the midfield where Rory Laird wasn't really needed. But what was real concerning in that second half when the GWS midfielders were dropping like flies, he was still nowhere to be seen. When you really need a senior player to stand up, I don't really have an explanation for it to be honest. It was just so unlike Rory Laird.
00:14:28
Speaker
In terms of if you're jumping off, I'd love Louie to give his thoughts here because I mean, I don't have him, or none of us have him, but would you be looking to trade off him?
00:14:38
Speaker
Well, I mean, first of all, this is why I don't like starting really, really expensive places because around one is just so random. There's a lot of different things can happen, a lot of different variables. Nobody knows quite what to expect. And when you're paying top dollar, sometimes it's better to just hold back and maybe spend a little bit later. As for explaining why Rory Laird had that poor score, he does a weekly segment on SCN. I just happened to be listening to it on my way home from work today.
00:15:08
Speaker
Uh, and he put it down to essentially the conditions. So he said he was gassed. He was buggered. I think it was 33 in Sydney. He was humid and, um, he pretty much put it down to, um, him just not being able to get himself into the game because he just felt buggered. So.
00:15:27
Speaker
That's not the Rory Laid I know. I would be backing him to come back and bounce back and as I've said on Twitter before, he's got eight out of, I think eight games before the buy at home, so he's not going to be stuck in poor conditions again. As for trading him, that's a no go. You don't pay 1.07 mil in round one just to trade a keeper and a perma captain. Nothing's changed. He's put up a Stinker score.
00:15:54
Speaker
Uber premiums put up a stinker score every single year at least once or twice. Unfortunately it came in round one when the magic number is at its highest and he comes in at 1.07mm but trading him is just locking in that loss of 60k.
00:16:11
Speaker
and there's every chance next week he goes 130 and and that break even starts to turn around quite quickly and you never know he could even get back to that 1.07 mil as well as he's been shown that he can score like that in the past so I think he's one that is not a bad starting pick it's unfortunate that it happened you're gonna lose a bit of cash from it but you've still got that perma captain and as many people said at the start of the year before we were locked out
00:16:39
Speaker
You're essentially banking an extra 10-15 points every week with the captain on him if he does fulfill his potential. So that's my thoughts on Rory Ladd. Still a great player, wouldn't be jumping at shadows there either.
00:16:55
Speaker
A tweet from BalesDT fellow Adelaideum was saying, this is the lowest score Rory Lead's done since round three 2015. If you remove the 2020 season, obviously with the scaling. So it's been a while since he's scored that bad. And does anyone else have any opinions on, you know, any differing opinions though?
00:17:16
Speaker
You'd have to give him another week. I mean, if you went to the effort of starting him, you have to give him another week and see what it looks like. But I guess as a non-owner, all of us have probably looked at him as a trading target, aren't we, in a couple of weeks' time?
00:17:29
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. But I think if you give him another week, he's unlikely to reach that 174 breakeven and all of a sudden he's under that one mil mark. I think you'd be silly to trade him at that point anyway, because that's probably when a lot of us are circling him as, oh, guys, this guy's 100K under priced. He's now an upgrade target for all of us. I just don't think there's any point cutting your ties with that when you've already got him.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah, I'm also really looking at a Tom Stewart as a trade target in a few weeks, guys. Whoa, too soon. Just got the finger. He won't be back for a
Player Performance Analysis
00:18:06
Speaker
few weeks. He'll be coming back for a little while. He's telling me. That would be a dossy move, trying to get ahead of the comp and outsmart everyone and bring him in this week.
00:18:17
Speaker
Are you in the defensive line? We talked about Stewart. Are you looking at Jake Bowie as a trading target? I can't believe Dossie went 21 hundred plus and he's still got like five loose picks in his side. I can't wait for this to tumble.
00:18:35
Speaker
There's not five loose picks, Tommy Cole's a must have mate, you just missed the boat. I'm glad I didn't pooper you on the Tommy Cole, I actually got around you for that. You got around me under the influence though. Yeah, under the influence. Probably need to be under the influence to actually watch him play in my fantasy side too to be fair.
00:18:56
Speaker
Alright, that's enough Tom Cole chat. Let's go please. Hot topics. Alright, so the first hot topic, that was a few, that answers a few listeners questions. A lot of them were talking about trading rural-aired. I think the consensus here is just hold strong. We're talking about the Josh Kelly injury, so we'll probably touch on it a few times in the show, but 91 points.
00:19:15
Speaker
Um, thankfully got that before getting the KO, but what do you deal with if there's any, um, you know, any injuries to come where it's a one week in this new format where you've got two trades a week. I feel like, I feel like now it's just an automatic trade. Usually in, in most scenarios, would you agree there?
00:19:33
Speaker
Yes, I would. To be honest, Josh Kelly, the magnificent pick, and God it showed, the only thing that the people that got him into their teams and needed to see was the CBAs in the season proper. They were there.
00:19:51
Speaker
Unfortunately with the concussion protocols he's definitely missing one game, potentially two. So he's a must trade scenario unless you've got that multiple situation. I think our biggest drama this year would be if you lose someone in the ruck because none of us have an R3 so we don't have support.
00:20:14
Speaker
And I think that model, you need to ensure that you always keep something open for a laid out. But look, in the worst case scenario, if you keep Josh Kelly, he only misses the one week and he rolls back
00:20:33
Speaker
into the team, you've got a keeper. I think he's going to be absolutely superb and in fact I'll look at him now because we've seen the evidence and I think for the season overall he's going to be a higher scorer than Green.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, he looked outstanding. I don't know about the Tom Green situation, but I mean, who would have thought Perriman would go down, like Perriman went down within like five minutes as well. So we saw a lot of Callan Ward in the end in that engine room. I thought we might actually, I thought Finn Callahan owners might've seen a bit more exposure for him for some center bounces, but they went back to the veterans to try and get that opening round win over the crows and got the job done in the end.
00:21:14
Speaker
Oh, well, I was just going to say on GWS, they've got a really nice run coming up too. So I've got Kelly and I'm probably just going to correct it by looking at Tom Green because he was through the roof. He had 70 points at half time. Yeah, so he's definitely one to look at there.
00:21:31
Speaker
Yeah, let's just talk about a poor owner here in the question segment, Tom Dt. He's got Sherry and Jelly. He's thinking of going to Darcy and Tom Green. Like you just said, Harmony, what are your thoughts there? We'll go to Holmsey for this one. So Tom Green and Darcy for Jelly and Sherry.
00:21:53
Speaker
Yeah, on face value, those fixed up trades look absolutely spot on. I think, I don't think you could really come up much better unless maybe, you know, we don't have this whole squad, but if you did miss a Chandler, maybe you need to look at Chandler because, you know, Chandler's going to be the one that's going to make the most coin for us over the next couple of weeks and we need those. But if he's nailed all his rookies, then yeah, those fixed up trades are spot on.
00:22:15
Speaker
And Louis was a big fan of that, giving the big thumbs up. But Louis, over to you. And this could probably take us to our next big hot topic. I think we talked about Tom Green. I mean, is he, there's no must-haves, but is he up there? We've just mentioned him as a big name. If you don't have him, is he the big, big player this season, Louis, that we have to get in our side if we missed him? Like, is he the number one kind of priority?
00:22:41
Speaker
I wouldn't go as far to say that, Doss obviously a lot of things went in his favour with Perriman going down early, Whitfield getting concussed and then Josh Kelly quite late in the game also would have contributed to that but just on Tom Green some of the concerns that we had in the practice game was that he handles too much and it didn't spread for marks and what we saw was that he was able to find the pill 37 times which we knew he could win the ball
00:23:09
Speaker
He had a 1 to 1 handball kick ratio which is what we like to see and then he spread for 6 marks and hit the scoreboard as well as 4 tackles. So that's the sort of score build you really want to see from your premiums. And now with the loss of Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield and Harry Perriman in the same week, you have to think that there's going to be a lot more bull
00:23:33
Speaker
for Tom Green to be able to utilise essentially because he was the leading centre bounce attender for that game. But I think there's just going to be more to go around for Tom Green in that. So I wouldn't call him a must have, but I think if you are able to get to him, he's got the low break even now, he's shown that he's got the capacity to score.
00:23:56
Speaker
Might have even shown that he can be a keeper. I think he's a good little target to target early on this season, his little bump up to that 850, 900K range. And if you're wrong, you take him up to the bars and hopefully you can sideways him to a genuine keeper.
00:24:14
Speaker
We've got two. It's only round one. Yeah. It's only round one and we don't really know who the must haves are going to be, but I'll give you the only one that I can really see at the moment, and that's Jesus. I mean, he's a rookie playing on field. His price is going to go through the roof, even if he just hits a 70 or 80 over the next few weeks. So he's probably the one, if you haven't got him, get him in.
00:24:35
Speaker
So just to piggyback on that, just to mention Tom Green's next four as well. He's got West Coast Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorne. So he's got pretty soft match up there. Also as a West Coast fan, Reuben Ginby looked ridiculously amazing as well in that same game. So another rookie that's got amazing job security that if you don't have another very high on your radar,
00:25:00
Speaker
Okay, there's a couple more hot topics and we'll just smash through some questions here for the listeners, but a big hot topic. I think this is flagged by maybe Stado, but Daikos already getting a flag early that he's going to maybe cop a tag this week after that ridiculous performance on the weekend. Maybe is there any other sort of tag worries? I think maybe they're a little bit overstated on the weekend. A few people thought Rory Laird was getting a bit of attention. Your man's so wrong.
00:25:28
Speaker
actually seem to get a little bit of attention according to onlookers, but was the tag sort of a worry and then looking forward, obviously Port have already said they're going to do it, but Holmes, is there any reaction for not owners like yourself maybe or not owners for a Stewart side of things going towards a day cost or looking at tags as being an issue at the moment?
00:25:50
Speaker
Look, Dossie, I will say it's definitely a concern. No one wants to trade in a player and then cop the tag that week and not get that sugar, as Stado likes to say. But we as a community, we get so fixed. We all, you know, all the podcasts spook a lot of the same thoughts and we were all very, very convinced that Andy Brayshaw was going to be getting a tag from Ross the Boss round one and that didn't happen. So it doesn't always play out the way that we think it will. But it's definitely a concern. Stado, what do you think?
00:26:18
Speaker
Maybe Ross the Boss values Sorong better. More damaging or something. That's actually a great point. I know Selby has been really big on this that Andy Brayshaw is as good as we think he is. He's more of that outside player and maybe some teams start to value a Sorong a little bit more if they can shut down his work at the contest. A little bit kind of like how teams go after Libba instead of a Bontour Macrae.
00:26:48
Speaker
I think Finn McGinnis is going to cause some headaches this year. He certainly did for Zack Merritt in the first half, but what I found quite interesting was that when the chips were down for Hawthorne and they were essentially being belted that the tag was lifted. I think Hawthorne are going to get belted quite a bit this year.
00:27:07
Speaker
Perhaps that's a sign of things to come that maybe once the chips are fully down for Hawthorne, they go into development mode. They get the kids going. They get the team trying to per. They're not playing such a negating role. I do think Finn's going to get a few this year, but I just thought that was an interesting little take that perhaps it's not going to be this massive clamp from Hawthorne and that when the chips are down. I've said that a few times now.
00:27:35
Speaker
They're going to release that tag and perhaps our premiums aren't going to get as burnt on the other end.
00:27:41
Speaker
I wonder if it would be interesting to see, a very small game sample would be interesting to see over the course of the year, if that, you know, if some of this faster play has anything to do with that and whether, you know, rolling someone that's a bit more limited and having to follow someone around the ground and then not getting used as much on the link up, whether that's more damaging to run a tagger like that this year with this faster sort of style that we're seeing early. Like I said, small sample size army.
00:28:08
Speaker
I reckon you're probably onto something there, Dossie, because that Melbourne and Western Bulldogs game, that was really frantic. And you would sort of expect, um, Harms to run with Bond, but he didn't really. They could have sort of played their own game. So yeah, I mean, good luck trying to keep up with, um, like you sort of relying on a turnover to try and man up most of the time because they go on that quick. So yeah, it's a fair point.
00:28:31
Speaker
All right. And the last hot topic and possibly the biggest topic of them all, um, during the show, I've got a text message from a great man known as Kimbo Jones. Now that's, uh, that's my old man. And just missed a call. I didn't know what the urgent message that he needed to get across to me as the show started has a habit of calling me as the podcast is about to begin. He sent through a message. It was obviously urgent. He says, I beat homesy.
00:29:02
Speaker
Holmsey, you've lost me old man. Fantasy. In your second year. Yeah. And you know what, mate? I copped it from every single one of my students at school
Community Reactions and Trade Debates
00:29:10
Speaker
today as well. But then I also have faith because a lot of them were talking about, you know, potentially trading at LDU this week because his 108 wasn't enough. So I'm sure I can hopefully climb up the ranks a little bit.
00:29:20
Speaker
this is coming sorry just for some context my old man I had to convince him out I had to really convince him just like you guys trying to convince me out of Jake Bowie I had to really go into bat to say do not pick Sam DeConning as your premium defender this year he was that convinced that he was going to continue his form from last year as the cash cow that he had so
00:29:42
Speaker
Good on you, Kimbo. He's done well. Let's get into answering some questions from the listeners now. And Lachymauks wants to know, Noah Anderson, hold or move to a McCray green or Canelio type, worried about the low ownership and his poor score slash role? Stato, what do you think about this when you've got a low ownership type player like a Noah Anderson and just for this trade in particular?
00:30:08
Speaker
Well I didn't get to see the game so I can't confirm what the role is but role is more important than poor score. So you look at Rory Laird that's a poor score but the role was actually there so you always go by the role. I'm pretty comfortable Noah Anderson is going to be
00:30:28
Speaker
right up there this year, but he did have an interesting result in his practice game. And if this is giving you enough data to go, he hasn't got the role that's needed, I would move.
00:30:42
Speaker
Tom Cleveland made a big fan, he says, mid price who underperformed, he's got Flanders, ride it out for a week or two or jump ship. Again, we can sort of extrapolate this to any mid price that didn't perform, but Sam Flanders, harm me, would you be sticking fat here or you jump and ship early?
00:31:03
Speaker
I'll probably be inclined to jump ship. Yeah, just because I think there's some good options around that price. I mentioned Jason Horn-Francis before, but there's probably some others like disabled. So yeah, I think there's better options around that price range. Depends if that's your highest priority. I mean, if you don't have any injuries and you haven't missed any rookies, then you can look at something like that.
00:31:27
Speaker
Just before we move on, let's talk a bit about Jason Horf-Francis because he was incredible in that second half. Started the game hot and then he was on 35 at halftime and then Port Adelaide just absolutely smashed Brisbane in that second half.
00:31:42
Speaker
Do we think he's a genuine option? Like, don't get me wrong, he's an absolute gun, but he kind of seemed like he played, you know, absolutely out of his skin and still only got to a 90. Now, I know 90's a good score, but could we see him being able to consistently put up those numbers which we'd need to? Sato, you got your hand up? Yeah, he's a super coach player. That's what he is. He may turn out to be an AFL fantasy player, but I don't think he's there yet. It potentially could be his highest score for the year. Wow.
00:32:13
Speaker
You think so, Stade? 136, he got in Super Coach. I know, but also look at the matchup. He's a great impact player. He's a great impact player.
00:32:23
Speaker
He scored 90 on Brisbane when their top scorer was 89 and Dunkley had a 77 and he had 20 CBAs, couldn't they? Sorry, I had an opinion, Doss. You still only get just three points for breaking out of the centre square and hitting up someone inside 50. Still only three points. It's just a concern, that's all. He's a great starting pick. I'm just flat here.
00:32:49
Speaker
flagging that trading into him now. I'm not sure whether that's going to translate as much as we need for him to be close enough to a keeper, but roll tick. You'd think he only gets fit up as the season goes on, as he had that limited pre-season and they are chips and chips. They don't even being, you know, their star player. But I think with what Stata said is right, he's much more of an impact player. So I would maybe temper your expectations if you are trading into him. That's all.
00:33:16
Speaker
That's fair. I was more just pointing out the top scorer in the game was 95. So in a more free flowing game, if he's still getting, if he's still a top three center bounce usage player, you know, yes, there's going to be probably some hiccups during the year, but I think he's ceiling in fantasy actually might not just be.
00:33:32
Speaker
Just super coach player state over fair enough. Um, let's move on to the next question Is Chandler's cash Jen too good to miss from Nick? So that's the first question. So he wants to know, you know, Kelly and hunt he's got to green and will day make sense But that means skipping Chandler you kind of touched on it before but what's more important in that scenario? Who wants to take this one?
00:33:59
Speaker
Yeah, look it's hard without our crystal ball at this point in time Chandler's got a 104 in his Pricing mechanism, which means is I haven't looked at his exact breakeven, but it's going to be negative 20 30 seven that negative 37 there you go So a couple of 60 scores throughout the next couple of weeks and he's going to make a hundred K 150 K very very quickly I will say though. No one's ever a must-have and they have viney they have may they have
00:34:29
Speaker
There's two other players that are Salem and there's one other that are very likely to come back in the next couple of weeks. So rich Yeah, Fritsch that's one and you know Fritsch is going to be playing forward and he plays that sort of hit up roll at times as well Where now they've got those big tools. He's going to be coming up the ground So it's definitely a concern you have missed that 60k But I think you probably do have to punt on it that he's going to get another three games and make 150k and
00:34:55
Speaker
This one from Benny Hami. I noticed Stalker has scored decent in the practice match in round one. Could he be a cheaper option than Will Day in defence? Well, he would be if he's priced that way, but he's probably not someone I'd be chasing. I mean, geez, he was a bit lucky to get picked up on the list and I think that there would be better options.
00:35:21
Speaker
Okay, Louis, just going back one last time here for Tom Green. Dodged all bullets from shoulders. This is from shoulders. Dodged all bullets, but went LDU instead of Tom Green. The only way you can get green now is either trading McRae or Bont, or find the cash somehow to upgrade sheet. What do you think? Is that something you'd look at? Either you'd go up from sheet, or would you go down from a McRae or Bont?
00:35:50
Speaker
Now you're going up from Sheed. If you're trading down from a McCray or a Bont, you're sacrificing what I believe will be a bona fide keeper for a bloke who might be thereabouts being a keeper but you're still punting on it. Whereas in the other scenario you've got Sheed who looked like he was a fair bit off of it and you're taking him up to potentially someone that you
00:36:11
Speaker
can keep and certainly run up into the buyers and maybe a little bit past it. So every day of the week you're going sheet up, you're not cutting your premiums after round one. That's how you find yourself stuck wondering how you've got no cash generation and what you can do next. So no, it's certainly the mid price up to the guy who's potentially going to break out.
00:36:34
Speaker
This is an interesting question from Thomas. Miss Chandler again, but unfortunately the only ways can getting by trading Ollie Hollands is going rookie to rookie worth it. And I think this is a common issue that we come across every year. And I can be the one to say that is not the way to fix your team. I've been on the wrong end of this multiple times, but what's the answer to this stato or Louie, you want to take
Rookie Trades Advice
00:36:59
Speaker
this one?
00:36:59
Speaker
No, I was just going to mention on your point. Look, we see rookies put up Stinker scores and then the next week they suddenly find it and they're able to do it. So going from rookie to rookie doesn't get you anywhere. You're just treading water that whole time and it's just not worth it. So, you know, there's every chance that with Olly Holland's game who played high time on ground and on that wing,
00:37:21
Speaker
that this week he pops a 70 or a 75 because he just happens to be in the right place right time and and that goes towards all the rookies you just never know how they're gonna score that's part of what rookie roulette is and why trading from a rookie to another rookie can can be quite punishing in a way.
00:37:39
Speaker
Do you think, just on that point, if any of these rookies, you know, say a Hollins or say someone like that gets a red dot in the weeks to come, though, and it's saved in round two, is it then okay to still go rookie to rookie or is it more important? I remember Holmsey, for instance, you were one that sort of traded very quickly out of those mid-price players. Is that more important to do at this time of the year?
00:38:02
Speaker
So this is the way I'm kind of thinking about it. If an Ollie Hollands, which he won't, I think he was good in what he did. But if Hollands got dropped and you were going from Hollands down to Chandler, that's something I would tick off because Chandler's price is going up and Hollands is going to be stuck. But what I wouldn't be doing is finding 55K to go from a Campbell Cheser or one of those players that are dropped because you're wasting money to upgrade to a rookie.
00:38:30
Speaker
and you're gonna need that cash elsewhere. So I'd be finding another way to get Chandler in that doesn't involve, you know, spending 60K to go one of those guys up. But that's just how I see it. Hamid, do you see it differently? No, no, I think you're on the money there, mate.
00:38:45
Speaker
I just don't really like, I mean I did a bit of this last year and the year before, sideways trading those rookies like for like just because one gets dropped one week and then they come back a couple of weeks later and the player you traded in gets dropped so I think you sort of got to be a little bit patient with some of them, especially the ones with good job security that are best 22 players.
Jack Ziebel as a Fantasy Option
00:39:06
Speaker
Well is this another, is this another two sidewaysy one from, from Locky? Turning Sheed into Warple to afford Green to Chandler. That's a, that's a, um, Green from Hawthorn. Stado.
00:39:21
Speaker
No, that's okay. I think you're cutting a mid-pricer who doesn't look like they're going to cut it. You're going down to a Walpole who's performed, he's got the roll, he's got the lower break-even, he's got the cash generation. Green didn't show a lot. I think he's going to be a slow burn. I think he'll be okay on our bench still, but obviously Chandler's probably the pick of the rookies this week. I'd tick that off. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, Stado, though. I'm sorry to interject there, mate.
00:39:51
Speaker
No, no, I think you're close to the mark. The interesting bit is we've got two trades every week. And if you don't have problems...
00:40:02
Speaker
The decision is made, do I use this or not? And that's when I turn to the break-even game. So I would, Hollands has got a break-even of 28, I think. Chandler's got a break-even of negative 37. If I've got nothing else to do, I'm quite happy to put an extra 30 grand in the kitty, which it would be from Hollands down to Chandler.
00:40:31
Speaker
and take the high price rise. But that's only if you haven't got other things to do. And let's face it, how many rounds have we got that freedom? Three more quick ones. Just a simple one from Liam. Is Zebel a great option, Hami? Yes. Wow. All right. Defensive roll. Keen on the fossil.
00:40:59
Speaker
Yes. Wow, okay. Keeping that close to their chest, boys. That's all Pod Pod family. That's all you need to know. Go out and hunt yourself at Jack's Evil. And, uh, harmi. Harmi, good for us, mate, because we can't even consider him because we've got four straights.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be nice if he was a defender. Well, gee, that could be a blessing and disguise in the end. You never know. Yeah. He's the biggest up and down player. Fantasy. You hate to own him, hate not to own him. Zebel at times. Just on that, Dossie. Just on that, Dossie. So, yeah, let's talk about him quickly. So, one and nine. So, let's go Zebel. So, one and nine on the weekend. We've seen what he's done in that role in the past.
00:41:41
Speaker
All you're gonna need is two more scores in a row where he's sort of 80, 90, even 100 plus, and his price could absolutely shoot up, which it will. Plays Freo this week at Optus. I'm pretty sure if you look at the last time he played Freo at Optus, he had a 180, which I'm not saying he's gonna have 180, but if I was North Melbourne, I think they're gonna chip around a little bit in the back line at Optus there to try and get around Freo. So if there's ever a week to do it and take a punt, I think this is the week to do it.
00:42:11
Speaker
And he's going to pick up that defensive status. If he can go over 90, which we know that Zebel can and has done multiple times in his career, then he's quite a serviceable F6, D6, and potentially a mid-pricer you're jumping on in round two to be a caper for the rest of the year.
00:42:29
Speaker
I quite like Jack Siegel this week and he's someone even going back to his previous scoring. You go back to 2013. So if he's played 18 or more games, you've got 94, 84, 90, 95, 94, 82, 89, 100. So we're looking at a player who's got that capacity to score. And if he's in the team, I think he's got a role.
00:42:54
Speaker
In saying that, we can't just be all positive. It still is Jack Ziebel. They played the Eagles on the weekend who are very easy to play against and against a tougher side. You know, maybe he does have a more accountable role. You would think he's not just going to let the 3-0 forwards do what they like. And, you know, he's had some soft tissue stuff already this preseason, I think. So it is fraught with danger.
00:43:16
Speaker
But, you know, we do know that these are the type of picks that if they do come off, then you're well on your way to being that top 100. So there's both sides of the equation. And it is worth mentioning, sorry, Hami, that Hall is in the twos at the moment. He's fit and he's vying for a spot on that side.
00:43:34
Speaker
Gotta be cautious of that and just on the fixture I'm not sure what to think of it I'm not sure if C was a better scorer against tougher opposition due to the inside 50s that they let up or against easy opposition so that'll be one to watch this week if you're not trading into him because he's still quite cheap where you can get a look at him. He's 34 years old too.
00:43:55
Speaker
32? 32 easy. He's a bit younger than I thought too. Yeah, he was younger than I thought
Rookies and Matchup Insights
00:44:02
Speaker
too. Still fresh. Yeah, it led the kick-ins for Kangaroos and it looked like as soon as West Coast sort of was starting to come back a bit, they went straight back to that Zebel off to McDonald, off to Schiezel, who got himself very much involved, enjoyed a
00:44:16
Speaker
Showed exhibited serious thirst. I might say she's all for a bit of a plus six there. So Yeah, all right. Interesting Jack Ziebel on the radar of the pod pod family here two more questions I think you've got this one from free kick lamb Which trade targets are the biggest traps and why will it be anyone who plays against Hawthorne and West Coast the week prior? Do we have any big traps that we can think of that are in the popular trade ins homesy? I
00:44:44
Speaker
I'm not going to say a trap, but I did mention it earlier on in the pod. Will Day, I think. You just temper your expectations a little bit. I'm not sure he's going to go 90s. I think off that CBA roll, only 26%. There's going to be games where they just aren't able to get in the ball as much. But like Army said, he's definitely going to outscore his price, you would think. So maybe not a trap, but you have missed that 98.
00:45:09
Speaker
I'll throw one in there too. I think Bodhi Ulland is a bit of a trap. There's a lot of blokes to come back for the Gold Coast. He's got that nice break even, but it's nothing we haven't seen before from other rookies who have then been dropped the next week. So I can see Danger written all over that and I'd avoid him as a downgrade target.
00:45:28
Speaker
Can I throw Warpool into the mix for non-owners? I know you guys are pretty happy and saw the role and stuff but still a quarter he had in the second quarter he had seven points and it seemed like there was a couple of quarters didn't score well and there's every chance that the magnets switch within the first few weeks if they want to get ward inside, if they want to get other players inside, Will Day like you said 22% CBAs he could be straight into the guts next week so much so many questions and
00:45:57
Speaker
Like I don't know. I just I just throw a bit of caution out there. I wouldn't say it's you know one too risky, but I'm Z
00:46:05
Speaker
Yeah, Dos, he did have 77% CBA, so he was the main guy in there, even more than Newcomb. So, you know, you are right, there's always the risk that the magnets get swung, but I think off the evidence we've seen now, that's a pre-season game where he was in there as one of the main guys. Round one, yes, they've got pumped, but that's enough evidence now to say that I think you could, someone, you could be still relatively confident,
00:46:32
Speaker
trading into if you did miss him, I would have thought. Hami, you were the one, you come into the group chat, all about Walpole and then at that point he stops scoring for the next 30 minutes, so I appreciate that, but you were pretty sold from what you saw.
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think he just did what we thought he would do Even though I was a bit worried because he's so up and down But I mean he came out and he played exactly the role that you would want out of him So I think he played a pretty good game and I think that Mitch Sam Mitch is going to be disappointed with what he did So he's got that role for the next few weeks at least I reckon.
Top Fantasy Targets
00:47:03
Speaker
I agree I think everyone getting caught up on how he disposed of the football
00:47:08
Speaker
Just need to check out what he's doing at the clearance works. These seven clearances, which is pretty much a third of his touches, he's got a role in that midfield brigade and you don't know if Sam Mitchell was telling him to just get the ball out, mate, and you know, clearance, clearance, clearance every time.
00:47:25
Speaker
What I saw was a bloke who's pretty much the main midfielder for Hawthorn. I like it a lot. And I think you know, there's nothing to worry about, mate. Um, as I was saying, you got to stick, stick fat with warp. We'll nothing to worry about it. All homes. You don't throw that in the mix. Um, Rowan Potter, who's your biggest bounce back candidate from week one? Our last question here. Who do you reckon will have the biggest bounce back? Is it lead state? Oh, yep. Lead.
00:47:53
Speaker
I'll dice you one more question, you missed one. Yep, says, is there any truth to the rumour that the original GOAT Selby Lestere has joined you as an assistant coach and forced you to change your classic team name this season?
00:48:07
Speaker
No, look, that was just an executive decision as the heir to Selby to change it to Dos Raras magic. And on my venture towards the Lux on my journey, you know, I just thought it was right to honor the former goat and as our transition into a goat this season. Okay, it's time for Fossil's top five targets. The Fossil's five, we call it.
00:48:40
Speaker
Now I'm going to make this pretty quick, Dossie, to make Stado great again. Man needs to eat and heading into our fourth hour of this podcast, getting a bit fangy. So just going to rattle through each week I have a look
00:48:57
Speaker
at the best options for the week. And it obviously depends what has happened in your team, whether there's a bit of damage control you need to do. But this early in the season, your first priority needs to be the cash gen. So Kay Chandler is obviously topping the list and it's a pure break even play here, but would suggest he remains on your bench. So 260K heat costs.
00:49:24
Speaker
If you're looking at replacing Josh Kelly, number two is Tom Green. He certainly has the role and the scoring power. Noting with Kelly and Whitfield out, he may get a tag, so just be mindful of that. But at 7.82, I think he's still great value. Will Day, I heard Holmes, he's sort of warning people about his scoring potential and that you're not going to get that every week.
00:49:50
Speaker
That is correct, but you might need a short fix to bolster your defence with a couple of outs, and I will say I'm a little bit worried that defence rookies are flaky, so I'm trying to find a way to ensure that I haven't got reliance on rookies besides Jimby very early in the season.
00:50:12
Speaker
Jack Ziebel, we've mentioned him before, is at number four, has that role that we saw the great scoring in 2021. He's only 5-72, so great value for him. And last but not least, just for Dossie to make sure he feels pretty special,
00:50:29
Speaker
Jordan de Goey, the man that ruined my season last year, his role looks absolutely superb. So Mitchell and Adams are doing all the grump work that de Goey was left to do last year. And he's getting on the outside, which means you get more plus sixes and a lot more kicking than the handballs. Ruined my year last year, but he's going to make Doss a happy boy at seven hundred and twenty four K.
00:50:58
Speaker
Beautiful. Love it. Thank you very much. Okay. This is the part of the show where we're trying something a bit different. We want to just do a round table discussion of things we noticed this round. And I want this to really be an open conversation of things we just usually talk about in our, in our private group chats or whatever, and just talk about some of the key observations from the round and things we're looking forward to. So I just want to start this off. Let's go back around, around the table and why don't we start with a harmi.
00:51:27
Speaker
How about you? What have you got for your roundtable discussion here?
00:51:31
Speaker
Look, I guess we all get a little bit worried in the last week there about which rookies we're going to have named coming into round one. But we got a few come through and we got some really good results from them as well. So I guess that's one of the things that I took away is all that panic we do every year wasn't really that necessary. And we have some, I guess, probably looking better than others and more reliable than others.
00:51:58
Speaker
I guess I'd just sort of talk through mine perhaps and feel free to jump in with any that we missed. I think the only area of concern that I have with the rookies is the back line. I probably I had started with six on field plus Finn Callaghan in the midfield as well.
00:52:14
Speaker
I probably would have liked now in hindsight to have gone maybe one shorter and had just one being GMB on on field in the back line and having another mid price as such as like a Will Day which if I could go back in time that's probably what I would do but I mean Harry Sheasel, Mackenzie Ashcroft was a bit quieter but still really good. I did have Chandler, Peddler I sort of got most of them but there was a little bit of a rookie roulette there where I had Cowan
00:52:42
Speaker
on field as the as the round one game Carlton playing first I put him on field which I probably shouldn't have done but yeah any thoughts on guys do any that we missed along the way for you? Do we think the roles real for Bodhi at Gold Coast because he scored quite well I do worry about the players coming back for for Gold Coast but in terms of the numbers he put up and the role he had compared to say Chesa and and those guys what are your thoughts there Hami?
00:53:11
Speaker
I saw a little bit of that game and he looked really good in that last quarter. I think he might have turned it over once in the back line there, but he was sort of in it amongst it all the time. So I thought he looked quite good. I mean, like his last year was a right off with a back injury. So I think, and like he sort of would have gone earlier in that draft, but he was one of those like, is it the academy picks or something? That's where he was owned. So I think that the club really rates him. So,
00:53:37
Speaker
Yeah, you're right. They're once weller and power come back. Maybe there's not a spot for him, but he's got a good few weeks,
Trends in Defense and Ruck
00:53:45
Speaker
I'd say. You'll probably make 100 grand at least.
00:53:47
Speaker
Yeah, and just on some of those defensive rookies, do we think that Miller Bergman might have a bit of job security just because he was rolled out with that round one side with Alistair Clarkes and obviously coaching his first game for North. He's picked his best 23 there. Is that a sign that perhaps he's got, you know, two, three, four weeks time in that side to at least cement his spot?
00:54:12
Speaker
Yeah, Matt, you would think so. You'd think he's definitely in their plans. The one in the back of the mind is always Aaron Hall. Like, he shouldn't be coming in. They've just had a really good win against the Eagles. First time they've had a win in a while. You would think they, well, you'd think he wouldn't come in this week, especially with Szezel playing out of his skin in that backline. You'd think,
00:54:31
Speaker
It's his position to lose now, but yeah, you would always be worried that if he has a real stinker of a game that, you know, you've got an Aaron Hall waiting to come into the wings. I did core play in that game. I can't remember whether core played either. So that's another senior body that could potentially come back in that they're paying big money as well. So yeah, it is a bit of a risk, I would think.
00:54:51
Speaker
I guess another name I'll just throw out there. I don't have a heap of confidence as well, but with Cherry going down, you assume Goldstein does come back in, but Charlie Combin came out and scored an 80. He had the most rut contest for the game. They obviously rolled Hugh Greenwood in there as well, but he had 40 rut contests once Cherry went down, scored the 80, kicked a goal, 13 touches, 6 tackles and a few marks.
00:55:14
Speaker
Pretty good. Is he potentially an option zero break even for us? Or is that just too risky without knowing what they're going to look like in the Ruck department and how much action he gets there? Yeah, I think that was purely just to reset their structured DOS. So Cherry went down reasonably early. They had to make do. Next tallest guy on the list might even be, and even taller again. It's Charlie Combin. Makes sense to chuck him in the Ruck. And then I think next week we'll see Goldie come in. You might see a bit more of a split.
00:55:43
Speaker
Just because Goldie is capable up forward and Combin showed a bit in the ruck, but he is more of a forward and I think that's how things will go for the rest of the year.
00:55:53
Speaker
All right, let's get on to our next discussion point. Stato, take it away. Yeah, I mean, obviously what I took out of the weekend, noting I couldn't see the games on Saturday because I was working. So it was only Thursday, Friday and the Sunday games that I paid a lot of attention to. But it's the trends we're seeing of the scores. So
00:56:16
Speaker
We're actually seeing a couple of teams really hard to score against, so we know Port's been tough for defenders. They seem to be tough for everything right now. That's what we learnt from the Brisbane game. Fremantle, besides their defence, so there are a couple of defenders for St Kilda that probably scored over and above.
00:56:39
Speaker
what I expect them to do, but I don't think there was a ton scored against them, or it might have been just one Jack Steele. So that's an interesting thing to keep an eye on, especially when you've got North Melbourne, we've got a lot of North Melbourne players actually playing in our teams.
00:57:00
Speaker
And the next one was the amount of ball against Sincura in defence. And I hope people aren't jumping on too many of those Frio defenders because you're either on them and got the reward.
00:57:14
Speaker
or you're paying for scores that happened previously. But that's the key thing I start looking at week in, week out to see what the trends are. Obviously cow has his scale of hardness and that's the data they actually look at.
Will Setterfield's Value Debate
00:57:30
Speaker
So we always want that sweet, sweet sugar hit when we bring someone in and looking at the match ups and what the trends are become really important.
00:57:42
Speaker
Yeah, Stado, so just on that then. So let's, talking about Essendon, bit of a hot topic at the moment, we'll set a field. You know, coaches looking to bring him in maybe this week, knowing that he's just had a major or big game against the Hawthorne and he's got a really good role, 71% CBAs. Do you worry a little bit that we've missed the big one and if we are trading into him now, it might revert back to that sort of 90-95 average that we may have predicted in the preseason. Do you think it's still worth it for coaches?
00:58:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's a really interesting question because I once had a field in my team. I didn't go there because I wanted to see it was real, because to be fair, I was sort of the lone voice. And that gets a little bit worrying with the only one sort of batting for that. But the role's real, but so were the opposition. The opposition
00:58:35
Speaker
been given up points to midfielders for some time. So there's a couple of little things I'll say there. Firstly, it's not too often inside midfielders going to get 50 points a quarter. So there was no other major standout quarter, just a really solid scoring game.
00:58:54
Speaker
So do I think he's going to average 120 for the year? Absolutely not. I think about 95 is around the right mark. So you've got to think, what am I recruiting in? I'm recruiting in a 95 averaging midfielder. That's the way you need to look at. He is valued because of what he's priced at, and that's the key thing. But just don't expect that we'll set a field that's going to give you 120 each week.
00:59:20
Speaker
I've been saying all pre-season he's a breakout candidate because of the roll and Essendon needed that bigger body in the midfield. It depends who you're trading down to as well. I mean mid price is playing an important role in our side. So I think being able to go sideways to somebody that you've seen that's already got the low break even and scoring capacity is important.
00:59:43
Speaker
You've got two, three, four weeks to make some cash off of that, knowing that he's got that lower break even. If he can go 90, 95, it's probably a pass mark, I think. You just have to be wary that you're not, for example, a Josh Kelly, which in my basket, you're not going down from a Josh Kelly to a Will Setterfield because you're sacrificing a keeper just to bring in a guy that you're very likely going to trade as the DPP editions come in, sort of that round six sort of area, I think.
01:00:14
Speaker
Someone that would have watched that game very closely harm me, your thoughts on Will Setterfield? I think that 95 is a bit optimistic for what he'll average over the course of the season. But look, after round one, he looks like a bit of a smash pick, doesn't he? Look, I'm just not going to bend over backwards to get him into my team. I think there are for me other priorities, probably.
01:00:36
Speaker
is the type of player that if you are going to jump, it has to be this week. It's not going to be a, he goes well again this week and then you jump on again because if he, if he goes a hundred again, I think they've got another decent matchup. I think Gold Coast, is it? Yep. Yeah. So Gold Coast. So there's, there's one of the other easiest match ups in footy as well. So if he goes another hundred and then his price jumps to say, you know, being priced at around 77, which it probably will.
01:01:01
Speaker
then the upside is probably gone if he's going to then revert back to that 90 to 95. So if it's the, it's the week, you got to do it basically. All right, Louie, your round table discussion.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, so the subs going to cause some issues this year. I think we knew that going in and then it was just confirmed throughout the season.
Handling Substitutions and Injuries
01:01:22
Speaker
So I think there's going to be ways that we can sort of mitigate the risk with this. And it's a little bit of my thinking with Fielding Fergus Green in round one is that I'm trying to pick guys on field who I don't feel are at risk to be the subs. So we saw a lot of guys like your Mateus Philippu, your Chesses,
01:01:44
Speaker
I am.
01:02:00
Speaker
even they're a candidate to come on at three quarter time. So I think we need to be careful about this and there's ways that we can sort of mitigate those risks. So I think coaches need to be a little bit mindful of that and and just try to avoid that three quarter sub which we got with a cow and even on night one. All right, Holmes, do you want to do your your discussion point?
01:02:26
Speaker
Yeah, so I suppose mine's sort of a little bit selfish here, and the fact that I have both Tom Stewart and Josh Kelly that are force trades that I need to fix this round. And unfortunately for me and Harmony, Stewart plays on the Thursday night. So we're going to have to essentially lock our trades in on that Thursday night before we even know what the final squads are on Sunday.
01:02:49
Speaker
So it just makes it a little bit interesting. So, Harmony, I'm going to throw to you as someone that has both of these players. What are your initial sort of thoughts on where we sort of go from here?
01:03:00
Speaker
Well, I'm keen to trade both of them. And I say that because I think that having a premium sitting on your bench, even look, even with Kelly may come back next week, but there's a chance he doesn't also. So I think it's too much money sitting on the bench. I think you're going to have to trade them. But what I'll probably do is trade Stewart and I may sort of give a rookie a bit of a look on the midfield rookie look as an emergency. So even if they popped an 80 say,
01:03:30
Speaker
Maybe I hold Josh Kelly and look at something else, but yeah, I'm going to have to trade Stuart early. I've been looking at a range of options, whether it's just trying to go like for like or maybe one up, one down. There's a whole range of options we can go to. So yeah, I think that defensive trade is my first one I need to try and nail down, mate.
01:03:51
Speaker
Yeah, so I suppose my next sort of follow-up question to that and I might even throw it to Stado because so I'm torn on whether I go right up. So I'm quite weary that Sicily was someone I was looking at very hard in the preseason and yes, he passed the eye test. He was fantastic. But he is coming up against Sydney this week, which is a much tougher matchup. So I am a little bit worried in terms of trading into that straight away.
01:04:14
Speaker
Do we look to go straight up to a Sicily-Dawson type stato or is there a world where we can maybe look at a Hayden Young? I would like to look at a Dacos as well but I do worry about that Port Adelaide matchup and that would just be the nail in the coffin if I went Stuart to a tagged Dacos 60 against Port.
01:04:31
Speaker
A Hayden Young, do we think it's real? What can he do in that role? I know the defender scoring against St Kilda was well elevated, but he wasn't a 150 out of the box. He was someone we were seriously looking at. So can he be a 95? Can he be close enough to the top six?
01:04:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's a really good question. Certainly did pass the eye test, but noting it was some killed her. And you're right, here's someone we were looking at all pre-season and it was just the practice game that we turned around and went, oh, this wasn't good. I will say it was without Luke Ryan. So whether that makes a difference to what his actual role is, is a bit of a question mark.
01:05:16
Speaker
Luke wasn't showing getting the footy himself on the weekend either. Just quietly a high scorer of the round. But look, I think it's worthwhile. Who's the matchup that they've got? North Melbourne.
01:05:31
Speaker
So it's got a good matchup and you're right, it's not the week to bring in Daikos. You do want to try and get that sweet, sweet sugar. But when you get these guys, you're hoping you actually keep them. So I'd probably be looking more than just this week and actually have a look at the next three.
01:05:51
Speaker
because if round three Hayden Young's got Port Adelaide himself, I'm just talking hypothetically, it's probably not the smartest move. He's got the Eagles in round three, so it's another good match up there, but yeah, it's what I'm looking at. Yeah, I think that's quite worthwhile. Outside the practice game, everything else ticks the box.
01:06:16
Speaker
Just, I'll be honest with you, Holmsey, the players I've been looking at are young. Like Freya, I've got an awesome run coming up. I quite like the look of him. Cicely, you mentioned Ed Richards. Dossie, hate to say it, but he did look pretty good. Thank you. Coming out of the back line there for the dogs.
01:06:34
Speaker
We'll die. He put up a score. He's probably won. I was a bit jealous I didn't take when I've been looking at him for weeks, but anyway. And then I'll give you a smoky. If West Coast come out during the weekend so that LEO's back and the calf's all good and he's tearing up the track, that may be an option for us as well.
01:06:54
Speaker
Just why you bring him up, Hami. So let me actually get your opinion on this. So Will Day scored 98. Fantastic tick that. But off 26% CBAs and just getting purely, you know, really outside ball, do we think that's sustainable? It's still a fair bit more than what he's priced at. So he's like one of those mid-priced options. Yeah, just trying to make a bit of money, accepting that he's not going to be a keeper.
01:07:21
Speaker
Perfect. All right. Just to wrap up these, uh, this round table and we'll have to think of a segment name for this, I think, but, um, my first or my discussion point is around the rocks and just that debate.
Ruck Performance Reflections and Closing Comments
01:07:33
Speaker
I mean, there was a big talk about Marshall being a must have. I guess the first question is.
01:07:38
Speaker
Was there any worry in what you saw from Marshall or is this just a matchup thing with Sean Darcy to start with? Because I just want to say I was almost forced I think really due to my structure that I was a bit stubborn on changing and I went with Darcy over Marshall which in the end obviously helped me for this one round but just looking at Darcy the big fella looks
01:07:59
Speaker
looks such an imposing figure as he always does but look to just dominate Marshall and even in one-on-one contests he was just calling for it one out just was looking to absolutely dominate and he looks like he's in in that R2 territory sort of for me so I was just wondering you guys thoughts if we have maybe a little bit of a rethink about what our rucks looked like Tim English obviously looked like an amazing R1 kind of standout for me as well but I just wanted to revisit that and obviously some people
01:08:27
Speaker
looking at their sherry options that went there, maybe, you know, which way you'd go as your next big dog here.
01:08:34
Speaker
I think you might find that it was just a really tough matchup and you're never just picking your upman for the first round of the season. You really need that to play out so I wouldn't really be jumping at shadows just yet on a role in Marshall. I think he's got plenty of time to get back to what we know he can do. I will say though that St Kilda team, the way they played, the scoring really dried up. The way that they're going to play under Ross Lyon was very
01:08:59
Speaker
old school in terms of that press around the ground and not having that free-flowing football that we've seen of the St Kilda team of last year. So their scoring did significantly dry up, but I think you would be jumping at shadows if you are trading out Royal Marshall at this stage. Nothing wrong with old school, I think.
01:09:17
Speaker
Did not mean to trade him out, but sorry. I think you missed the boat. Like, if you're going to go Darcy, you probably should have started with him. So, I mean, it may be a choice for you if you got Tristan Cherry in the ruck and you got that injury, but you're not going to sideways trade one of those other high priced rucks just to go to Darcy, I don't reckon.
01:09:37
Speaker
Yeah, Darcy, I suppose you're meaning if someone had Cherry and they didn't start Marshall. So going up to him, I think the only thing that's going to happen there is that you're getting Royal Marshall slightly cheaper than what we all paid for him. And look, honestly, all those rucks performing has probably created a bit more uncertainty. So I think that with another round of data and other two rounds of data, we could see things flip. So yeah, I don't think it's worth reacting to that just yet. Yeah, I wanted to go early and react. Darcy just looked amazing.
01:10:08
Speaker
One of the things I was going to do was try, because I started with English and Marshall, one of the things I was going to do was move English down to Darcy to start and then move forward rookie up to Jason Horn-Francis, but Louis talked me out of that, so thanks, Lou. Did I? Did you listen to the podcast last week? I really pumped him up for the last one. I wish I started him. He did look good, didn't he?
01:10:36
Speaker
Horned Francis, Zebel, Laird, Tom Cole. I mean, what more could you want from the first episode back of the Pod Pod? That'll do it, though, for this week. We look forward to seeing you in round two. I hope you had an awesome round one. And if you didn't, there's always next week. You'll be back. You'll be back with Dossi soon enough on the Lux Chase. Make Stado great again. We'll see you next week.
01:11:05
Speaker
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