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CONSPIRACY - The Centerfold Curse
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Today I am telling Lisa a series of true crime stories all centered around one thing - Centerfolds. The Playboy Empire is one that most people know, no matter where in the world they are located, but is there a curse for those who reach fame and fortune on their pages? Let's find out and see what you think.
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Transcript
Introduction and Last Week's Recap
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello and welcome to Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And we're glad you're here. So glad. I hope everyone, if you haven't listened to last week's episode, you should. Because the more I've thought about it, the more I've liked it.
Buffy Reruns and Character Development
00:00:22
Speaker
And there's Buffy reruns on TV and I have thoroughly enjoyed them. Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:27
Speaker
And I loved it in the show Cordelia is like the most like helpless, witless one. Yet she was the one in real life, like save people.
Storytelling and Audience Connection
00:00:36
Speaker
I've been really into this story, into that. Like way into it. I just really enjoyed telling that story because it's not, it's almost like a familiar face. And it's like normalized to that point where. Yeah.
00:00:53
Speaker
like it isn't just random people all the time. Yeah, it can be people you know, even if it's just a TV show.
True Crime Stories at Work
00:01:00
Speaker
We don't we don't know her but you know actually like I was having a conversation I am I got stuck in an event. I don't know if anybody would know it's called a Kaizen event.
00:01:11
Speaker
Um, it's lean crap for work, whatever. Uh, but being with this group this week, it came out that I do a true crime podcast and I can't tell you how many of these people were like, Oh, have you heard about this story? Have you, have you done this story? And I had, uh, the guy that's actually our lean coach was like, you know,
00:01:31
Speaker
If you want to look into an interesting story, tell them to shut up and give me ideas, right? He goes, I can give you the name of a friend of mine whose father disappeared. In the Smoky Mountains, they lived off of, oh my God, what do you call top of the world? Yeah. And not in Knoxville in Tennessee. And he's like, he took his war on route.
00:01:56
Speaker
It just never came back. Yeah. They found the four runner, which was still like in the on position. It had literally sat there idle until ran out
Media Changes and Frustrations
00:02:06
Speaker
of gas. Wow.
00:02:08
Speaker
but they they've not heard anything about this guy since he's like you should totally look into this we have a lot of different theories you know and i've literally looked at him and i'm like freaking moonshineers dude yeah he saw some he saw something he wants both to he was supposed to yeah jeez yeah but he was like i don't think it was moonshine we have our own theories and i i just thought it was funny yeah
00:02:31
Speaker
It's amazing like when you actually start talking about even witness people that don't really necessarily like get into the whole true crime. Yeah.
00:02:40
Speaker
Well, I think like rabbit hole. I am. I love I love true crime. Like my husband hates it. But I love true crime. Like I listen to it all the time. And people will start telling me like stories are like even the story last week. And I'm like, how did I not know this? Right. I can't even call myself a true crime fan because this this this. This is so I'm a failure. Yeah. Failed at life. Well, I mean, but if you think about it.
00:03:04
Speaker
I mean, you know, actually, this is a conversation that you and I just had like what today or the day before where they don't report things the way that they used to. They report what they want. Yeah, that'll be one of our topics tonight. Oh, I like that. But literally like Faith and I talked about how like back in the in the 70s and the 80s, they were telling people.
00:03:26
Speaker
Yeah. Hey, don't go out. Mm hmm. Ladies, don't go here. Yeah. And in women in New York. And now that Sam, you know, now it's all the jaws. We don't want to keep people away from our city. So shut your trap. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Or let's just look at what celebrities have done. Yeah. Like nobody cares. But we really want to know like the nitty gritty, not that. Yeah. Trump is orange and Biden is senile senile. Right. Yeah. Like, whoops. Nobody cares. Yeah. Right.
00:03:55
Speaker
But that's all we ever hear about now on the news. Nobody ever really talks about these things that are happening. Yeah. Yeah. But they're happening. Yeah. Ooh. Agreed. Anyways, I'm so
Humor in Parenting and Curses
00:04:06
Speaker
sorry. I went off on Tyrant. We're done with our political talk show for the evening and we will get on. Oh, man. I was going to tell the audience the joke that my son told me when he told me I forgot to tell Frankie that joke. OK. I'm going to tell the audience. All right. So last week.
00:04:20
Speaker
I came home from work public school education public school education at its finest third grade. And this is totally that spectrum of how certain people raise their kids compared to other people raising their kids. Right. It was funny, but I'm not going to lie to you. I'm one of those parents that tries my best to harbor my child from crazy.
00:04:43
Speaker
But in reality, when he says this kind of crap, it makes me laugh. OK, so I come in. I grab myself a little beer. Yeah, I sit down. Yeah. And I'm just scrolling through Facebook. He walks up to me. He's like, hey, mom. And I was like, hey, man. He goes, I have a question. And I was like, all right, what's up? He goes, we born on a highway.
00:05:08
Speaker
And I was like no What like why would you even ask that? Where did you hear that? And he goes oh, well, I mean I was just wondering cuz that's where most accidents happen
00:05:23
Speaker
I wish I had a little badoom cheek. I don't have it. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, Caleb, we don't say things like that. It negates. It negates telling him to stop when you're, you know, horse laughing. So it's too much. Well, anyway, icebreaker. There you go, girl. All right. So I think we've hit on this question before, but I'm going to ask you again, because quite frankly, I don't listen when he talks sometimes.
00:05:52
Speaker
So what do you feel like? Do you think curses are real? Curses? Curses. I think that kind of depends on.
00:06:07
Speaker
what we're talking about. That's an invasive answer. That is what it is. You want Lisa to be 110% honest. I don't know. Our podcast listeners, all five of you hang onto your seats. I believe that generational curses can be real. I do not believe that if I look at Faith right now and say,
00:06:32
Speaker
Don't say it. I hope that your toes shrivel into black whatevers and the rest of your first born. I only have one first. Don't put that on her. That was the dumbest thing ever. Yeah, I get what you mean. All of your first born. That was not even a real thing. OK. And all of your children from this point all have shriveled toes and the other sides wept like I don't believe in. Yeah. Right. Like I don't believe in voodoo dolls and and those kind. Yeah. No, not so much. OK. We talked about it some at the Bennington triangle.
00:07:02
Speaker
Like, you know, that it was a cursed place. Yeah. And that, that kind of stuff. Like, you know, I don't know about like, there's too many things that go on. Like, when you're like, yeah, when you watch certain things, you're just kind of like, you know, yeah. Like haunted mental institutions. Right. Like I totally get that. Yeah.
00:07:25
Speaker
Well, tonight I want to give you a very brief, because if I tried to cover the whole curse, it would be hours. And quite frankly, your brother kept me up all night because he didn't feel good. So I'm tired and I didn't have time for all that. And we just don't have time for all that because it'd be hours. It'd be like a whole podcast. Like actual physical labor today.
00:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, I don't do that. I don't even like run if I'm being chased at this point. No, if I want to be dead, if I run, call 911. Somebody is dying. Yeah. Someone is trying to kill me. Something has happened bad. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Well, I'm going to try to claw you if I can. Right. I'm just going to lay here dead turtle style. I'm going to pass them out real quick. I'm already dead. Go to her. Right. Right. So tonight I'm going to tell you about the centerfold curse.
Marilyn Monroe and Playboy Legacy
00:08:19
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Oh, okay, yep. So, do you know, do you know what? I kinda do, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, and I'm just gonna give you, like I said, I didn't even get half of them. Yeah. But we are looking at Playboy. Yep. And they're centerfolds. And, excuse me, the overwhelming amount of crap.
00:08:42
Speaker
that happened to these girls. Yeah. Did you know there's a whole special? Oh, no, there is. It's it's like Playboy murders or something. HBO. And it's the secrets of Playboy. I think there's something along those lines. There is that one. There is. But I got really bored really fast because I have the attention span of an amiibo. But yeah, on the on the I.D. channel, there is the Playboy murders. It just started out in 2023. I mean, there's tons of stuff. Playboy is an institution. Yeah.
00:09:11
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Well, this the one that I think I think it's an HBO special. Mm hmm. And this one is actually interviewing the girls that went through it. Yeah, that's what this one is. You know, it's the ID channel. Like, you know, they had they had those two girls at one point that had their own TV show show.
00:09:28
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It says three girls. It was Holly Madison, who's the host of the Playboy Murders. Yeah, there was Kendall or Kendra. Kendra. Yes. She married the basketball player and there was a third one that I don't really remember her name. Yeah. But she was blonde because most of them are. Well, I don't know which one it is, but one of the three of them does an interview and just like plays it all. Holly Madison. She also wrote it. She also wrote a tell all book.
00:09:54
Speaker
It will kind of talk on it a little bit. So I would like to give the caveat that obviously this is a true crime podcast. It is just our opinions. We have lots of them. Everybody does. Some of this is fact. Some of it is going to be things that people have said. I'm in no way maligning the Playboy Enterprise because let's face it, I will. They got lots of money. But Playboy was obviously we all know it was started by Hugh Hefner.
00:10:23
Speaker
What I did not know was that when he started Playboy, it was founded in Chicago in 1953 by Hugh Hefner and his associates and funded in part by a thousand dollar loan from Hefner's mother. Wow. Yeah, it was random. I just thought that was, you know. Was she the first centerfold? No, she was not. Sorry.
00:10:46
Speaker
It is an American, for those of you who don't know, maybe you're younger, that'd be the only way I don't know how you would know. Yeah. But it was an American men's lifestyle entertainment magazine and they had great articles that people love to read. They weren't looking at all at just the pictures of topless women. Yeah. Yeah. That's not why they were looking at it. They were looking. They were trying to read the articles, friends. Yeah.
00:11:12
Speaker
Um, but it was it was huge. Do you know that playboy magazine isn't even in print anymore. You can't get it in print. It's just online No, actually I did not know that either I was like, so you're telling me if I go to the magazine section of a gas station or whatnot They're not like the plastic Bags like they used to remember that like they used to put in plastic bags. Oh my god. Yeah It was a Robin Williams movie where he like he was the old guy
00:11:39
Speaker
He was aging. Jack. Jack. Yeah. And he went and snuck. OK. Yeah. Way off topic. But yes, that's how I referred to that. I just remember it. And that was the Adam Sandler G. Barrymore blended where she she ripped down the magazine. So she had to go buy Hustler for her son. And he had to buy tampons for his daughter. And he was like, why don't we switch? And when they get the register, he asked her and he's like, yeah, she's buying that for her son. She was so mad. Yeah. Anyway, I digress.
00:12:06
Speaker
So let's talk about Playboy curse. Some of these are going to be very brief. Some of them will have more details and some of them I just quite frankly, there are it is ridiculous how many of these there are. So we'll discuss at the end. But we're going to start in 1950. With the ever famous. Do you know who? Like, well, can I just say we're starting back in the 1950s, guys just not.
00:12:35
Speaker
Like, once you've seen the parrot tits, you've seen them all. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that is kind of how I feel. It is just a lady thing. OK, but here's the thing. A cock like they pretty much. I mean, yeah, they vary in size and stuff. We've got off topic. I'm just asking a question. The thing with Playboy, like if you and I'm going to post pictures of some of these ladies like not not topless.
00:12:59
Speaker
Obviously, I actually I was trying to look at I was looking up an article and it was in like the New York Times Like it was a respected. I don't remember what article it was It was like a respected source, right? And I'm trying to get this date this detail on one of these ladies and there's boobs right there. I was like This is my work computer It's hidden by nipple tassel
00:13:22
Speaker
No, no, there was a whole nip like there was no there were boobs and I'm like trying to click it down I'm like, oh my god, if my boss walks in right now, I don't have to be like, huh? Nice, right? But looking at the pictures of them a lot of them like they could be sisters they the features and the looks so to your point
00:13:48
Speaker
Do I mean, just change the articles, keep the picture, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, you can now at this point. Right. But back to the centerfold curse. The very first issue of Playboy was in 1953. And it featured the ever-vescent, everlasting Marilyn Monroe on the cover and the centerfold of that first magazine.
00:14:13
Speaker
Man, what happened to her? Yeah. And everybody knows about Marilyn Monroe. Her accidental death occurred when she was in her 30s after an overdose on sleeping pills. And there are to this day, we are in the great year of 2023, still conspiracy theories regarding her death and the involvement in the the Kennedy brothers.
00:14:36
Speaker
That this is not that type of podcast, but there are a lot of them. And you can you can literally type in Maryland Road podcast and get 150 conspiracy. Oh, yeah. Episodes like BAM. Oh, yeah. And some are two or three episodes, like for one show, like there's so much material there. Oh, yeah. So Maryland was called the sweetheart of the month.
00:14:57
Speaker
which it evolved, that title evolved in the next episode, the next print to Playmate of the Month. So this gave Maryland the distinction of not only being the very first cover and centerfold for Playboy, but the only person ever to be given title, Sweetheart of the Month, ever.
00:15:19
Speaker
So I thought that was kind of cool. The day she died, she met with a Playboy photographer and was discussing publishing nude photos from her movie, Something's Gotta Give. This was around 10 years after she had been in that first edition of Playboy.
00:15:38
Speaker
That day, the day she died, she met with a photographer, pretty average day for her. She did whatever Marilyn Monroe does, and then she met with her psychiatrist around 4.30 p.m. Because of Dr. Payson's confidentiality and, of course, widespread conspiracies, we're not really sure what they discussed that day. What we do know
00:16:02
Speaker
is something was either worrisome, dark, disturbing, something happened to where her psychiatrist was not comfortable leaving her alone. So after he met with Marilyn on his way out of the house, he stopped her housekeeper Eunice and said, can you stay the night here and just keep an eye on Marilyn?
00:16:38
Speaker
Like you just know or whatever like Something is unsettling. Yeah, right like you're not saying something's gonna happen, but you don't That next sense. Yeah, you just know men and women both. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah And so I don't you know, yes when people have that kind of intense feeling where you're like I need to call this person and just make sure everything's yeah Yeah, and so that's that's what happened. So I
00:16:46
Speaker
use this as fine
00:17:06
Speaker
Her housekeeper, Eunice, said she'd stay the night, no big deal. It was well known then and now that Marilyn struggled with depression, which is unfortunately a very common thread in all the stories I'll tell tonight. Many modern psychologists have actually stated that she could have been suffering from borderline personality disorder. It just wasn't diagnosed at the time. The field wasn't that far ahead.
00:17:31
Speaker
But like, was it that or was it the fact that her whole identity revolved around her outward appearance? I got a few theories when we get to. Yeah. All right. I'm sorry. I always jump ahead. Yeah. So that night around eight p.m., she went to her bedroom for the night, locked the door. However, shortly after that, an actor by the name of Peter Laughlin, who just happened to be JFK's brother in law, allegedly
00:18:01
Speaker
because we don't know anything, but he allegedly called Marilyn wanting to see if she wanted to go out that night to go to a party. Peter had a very difficult time understanding Marilyn. She was kind of slurring her speech, I guess, but it basically it sounded like she was high. She wasn't making sense. She wasn't talking right. He couldn't understand her words and her last words before stopping talking, it said, she said to him,
00:18:31
Speaker
Say goodbye to Pat, say goodbye to the president, and say goodbye to yourself because you're a nice guy. And then she just didn't talk again. She didn't hang up the phone, but she just stopped talking. Peter, obviously on the other line, is worried at this point. She's no longer responding. The phone call's still live. He doesn't know what's going on. And he was worried enough that he called his agent
00:18:59
Speaker
who got off the phone with Peter and then called her psychiatrist, who then got off the phone with him, who called Eunice and said, I need you to, what's happening at the house, what's going on? The call to Eunice was around 10 p.m. and she told the doctor pretty much, she's asleep in her bed, she's fine, everything's good, nothing bad has happened, she's been great all night. So they ring off, Eunice goes to bed. However, around 3.30 a.m.,
00:19:28
Speaker
the bad hours. Eunice woke up and just had this overwhelming feeling, I've got to check on Marilyn right now. She tried to enter Marilyn's bedroom and she, the door's locked, she can't get in. So she went outside, walked around the house to Marilyn's bedroom window.
00:19:49
Speaker
and looked inside and I'm a pause right here because how can anyone just look inside Marilyn Monroe's bedroom window and see inside like there aren't some precautions there. Like stockings thing. Well, I mean, it's not even that, but just random peeping Tom. It's Marilyn Frickin Monroe journalists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the paparazzi was a thing back then. You can just look in her window. Like I had a serious issue with that. I was like for reals. Yeah.
00:20:17
Speaker
But anyway, back to the story. Eunice looks inside Marilyn Monroe's bedroom and she can see clearly Marilyn is lying face down on her bed and the phone is still in her hand. Marilyn Monroe's official time of death was called Sunday, August 5th, 1962 at 4.25 AM. Her death was the first official part of the centerfold curse, even though that name wouldn't evolve till longer.
00:20:45
Speaker
Her death also sparked, like I said, multiple conspiracy theories, which are why there are several podcasts. And you can search that. So moving on. 1955 Playboy of the month, Betty Page. Yep. And my gosh, I'm sitting here literally.
00:21:04
Speaker
This was like something. Oh, man. Like I heard about this in high school. Yeah. Like this. Well, very particular curse. And I didn't. It's been around for a minute. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and Betty Page, like she's very well known as to I didn't go in as much detail with hers, Marilyn, because I did get a lot of stuff with Marilyn. But Betty, Betty Page was more of like the goth looking one. Yeah, she had the Betty, Betty Page bang. She had black hair. She had the bangs.
00:21:29
Speaker
She was wildly popular. She had a psychotic break. They diagnosed her with schizophrenia. It's actually super sad because she became wildly. She had all the bondage photos and all that kind of stuff. It became super popular in the 90s.
00:21:48
Speaker
She didn't even know. Yeah. Like a reporter reached out to her and she was like, what do you mean? She never got royalties off of it. Like her estate, I think, and this is me trying to remember and my memory sucks, so feel free to correct me.
Tragic Tales of Playboy Centerfolds
00:22:00
Speaker
But her estate is worth like billions and she never saw a dime of it and had no family. Wow. And she didn't. She died like just finding out people knew who she was. Like no one knew who she was. So it was really sad. But moving on.
00:22:18
Speaker
Lene, and like I said, some of these are gonna be short, some of them are gonna be long. Lene Nanette Ashland was the Playboy of the Month, July 1958. She died at age 30 from cancer. James Mansfield, Playboy of the Month, February 1955. And honestly, she's one of my top two faves.
00:22:38
Speaker
Well, here's the thing. Let's be very, very specific here. Mm hmm. All of these women were centerfolds. Yes. Every single one. OK. Well, besides a few, but we'll get started kind of listed names there real fast. And then we didn't because we're calling it the centerfold curse. Yes. Reiterate the fact it is. That's what featured like. Lynette Nanette Ashland was Playboy of the month, July 1958. So cover centerfold, cover centerfold.
00:23:06
Speaker
I don't know that much about playboy so I don't know if it was cover and centerfold but they were like a big deal so james mansfeld was playboy of the month 1955 do you know who she is jane mansfeld the name rings a bell but i'm sure if you go into it i'm gonna be like oh yeah that okay she's like
00:23:25
Speaker
I don't know, I love Jayden Mansfield. Number one, beautiful. Like, beautiful, but she also frickin' owned it. Like, she would 100% have the, um, what is that account called now that I can't think about it? Where you pay people to look at you online, they have subscriptions. Only fans! Yeah, I was gonna say like the feet picture thing. Yeah, 100%. That would be Jayden Mansfield.
00:23:48
Speaker
She was doing Broadway and she also signed up for 20th Century Fox to actually replace Marilyn Monroe because Marilyn was getting too difficult to work with. Yeah, and then there was that weird thing where she like died.
00:24:04
Speaker
Yeah, well, Jane Mansfield did the first nude scene ever in a movie and was known for inviting press and photographers into her home. Loved to be in the center of attention, which she helped along by having some you can't see my air quotes, but wardrobe malfunctions, if you will. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, like Janet Jackson. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. OK, if you look at pictures of James Mansfield, like her clothing's was, I mean, just wowza, but there's no way some
00:24:33
Speaker
like there's no way there's not a wardrobe malfunction because it's like I mean it's artful they're beautiful dresses but come on ladies yeah like they're about to pop out of the dress but I mean absolutely beautiful the thing was not okay so I don't get myself not only was Jane the Playboy of the month
00:24:52
Speaker
So not only was Jane Playboy of the Month in 1955, but she also made appearances every February in Playboy from 1955 to 1958. And she posed again for Playboy in 1960 and 1963. Playboy were actually, they actually got, which, okay. I don't understand how this makes sense, but whatever. Because when I heard this, I was like, what?
00:25:21
Speaker
Playboy actually received charges for obscenity after publishing the photos from her nude scene in a movie. I don't understand. It's a nudie magazine. How did they get obscenity charges? Because she had her pants off too, I guess? I don't know. I didn't look hard into it. No, I was going to say it like when it first started off, it was like seductive.
00:25:46
Speaker
Right. And then it was still so they could have a lack of a better word. It was still almost models. Right. Comparatively. Yeah. Marilyn Marilyn Monroe was never fully naked. Yeah, true. Because she was it was always like scandal. Yeah. There you go. Like bikinis and whatnot. That's Betty Page's big thing. She made her own bikini. She took it that next step. OK, that makes sense. That makes sense.
00:26:15
Speaker
So all right. And only because I already like I know about the case that I can actually say that. OK, so if you've never I don't know enough about Playboy to say, but I just thought it was ridiculous that they got obscenity charges when they're booby magazine, nudie magazine, whatever. Well, yeah, now. But like, OK, yeah, think about it. This is the 50s. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when like I love Lucy first started. They had separate bags. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Separate beds. Right. Makes sense. And then it was an issue when
00:26:43
Speaker
at the end of their their era yeah they shared that like they were an uproar yeah i think that dick van dyke had to gyrated yeah so um while i'd love to go back to those days right now not not as a woman i sure as heck wouldn't
00:27:10
Speaker
Yeah, right right now you got yeah, I'm not gonna get into that anyway
00:27:18
Speaker
While Jane was typically cast as the dumb blonde stereotype, she was wicked smart. She had an IQ of 163, she spoke four different languages, and she was classically trained on both piano and violin.
00:27:36
Speaker
So she was and that's a thread you'll see with a lot of these women are they are talented. They are smart and they are freaking motivated. So she wasn't like this Jessica Simpson type blonde. That's how she was portrayed. But that was not her real life. I'm just probably not that way either. Yeah. Realistic. Right. Yeah. You know, the fish of the sea. Is it chicken or fish? Yeah. Yeah. So she was married and divorced three different times and she had five children.
00:28:05
Speaker
Sadly in 1967 Jane passed away. It was June 29th and there are like I have a legitimately I can't find I couldn't find like I it was always the same three things. One said she was leaving a nightclub after performing.
00:28:21
Speaker
One said that she was headed to a morning TV interview and the next said that she was leaving a morning TV interview. She was either heading, in my opinion, she was either heading there to a morning TV interview or she was leaving the nightclub after performing. And I'll get into why in a minute is that's my theory. Honestly, I think she was heading to a morning TV interview only because she had three of her children with her in the car.
00:28:45
Speaker
So she was riding the front seat of the car with her boyfriend slash driver and their dog and three of her five kids were asleep in the back seat. Her three-year-old daughter, her eight-year-old son Zoltan and her, sorry, her six-year-old son Zoltan and her eight-year-old son Mikulos and her daughter was three.
00:29:03
Speaker
The car ended up slamming into a semi truck, which they couldn't see because there was like this piece of equipment, like creating this fog because it was spraying for mosquitoes or something. So they didn't see the semi truck and they slammed into. Yeah. Slammed into the back of the semi truck. Both adults and the dog in the front seat were killed on impact because the top of the car was sheared off from the force of hitting the trailer. Yeah. So they're like all.
00:29:29
Speaker
Well, her wig was thrown off. So there are rumors to this day that she was decapitated. She was not. She was actually scalped. But because that wig was over there and the way Hollywood is, there are all these rumors. So to this day, people say that she was decapitated, but she was just scalped. This accident.
00:29:53
Speaker
is actually changed things. If you look at semi trucks today, they have a bar on the back of their trailer and it's called a Mansfield bar. And I just realized I did not tell you, I told you her two sons name. I didn't tell you the name of her three old daughter that was in the back of the car. Yeah. Mariska Hargitay. Nuh uh.
00:30:13
Speaker
Detective Olivia freakin' Benson. That's why she's my favorite. Are you kidding me? That is Mariska Hargitay's mother was Jane Mansfield. Wow. Yeah. Okay. And she does interviews and talks about it and says that she knows how her mom was portrayed and all that, and she just has to kind of lean into it. They ask, do you remember being there? Do you remember seeing
00:30:40
Speaker
And she just tries to make it three. Yeah. But that stays with you. But they were asleep. Yeah, they were asleep in the back and it was like three to thirty three o'clock in the morning, which is why I say I think they were headed to a TV interview because if she was performing at a night stage, I don't see her a nightclub. I don't see her bringing her three small children with her. I think she was probably headed to a morning interview and that's why they were sleeping in the back. I think is like if she was performing.
00:31:08
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Her husband came to pick her up. It was a boyfriend. Yeah, could be. But you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure she had like my kids in bed by themselves. Yeah. Three and six. So yeah, that was that Mariska Hargitay's mom. That's crazy. I thought that was insane. I don't know why it makes me happy, but I love Detective Limb. Actually, rabbit squirrel, whatever you want to call it. So I was watching on TikTok this other day and Mariska Hargitay did an interview and I think it was Jimmy Kimmel.
00:31:36
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And she was talking about how her husband were at this restaurant recently in New York. And her husband is like that tall kind of distinguished looking DA that was on SVU there for a while at the end. I can't remember his name for the life of me. But he's tall and he's got like the silver fox hair. But she said that her husband went to the bathroom and this lady is like staring at her across the restaurant.
00:32:00
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And she's like, you know, that she obviously is an SVU fan. She knows all this. And the lady finally goes, you know, you look just like that detective, Libby Benson. And Mariska was like, oh, do I? You know, I hear that sometimes. I do. And the lady was like, but you're much prettier and younger. And Mariska was like, oh.
00:32:22
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Really? And the lady goes, yeah, she's getting kind of long in the tooth, if you know what I mean. And she was like, you're much prettier than her. And so, like, basically sat there making fun of her Mariska Hargitay to Mariska Hargitay space.
00:32:37
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And so she would rather look younger in person than younger on TV She said like her husband finished dinner and they left no filter she asked the waitress to bring the other lady's check and Paid for it and had it signed like paid by detective Olivia Benson or something like that It was just like it was me type of deal, but it was really funny her talk about so anyway anyway, I'm done yeah, so We're gonna go to the 60s
00:33:06
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I'm gonna tell you about Paige Young. She was the Playmate of the Month, November 1968. I don't like this one. I'm gonna be honest with you. She was linked to multiple celebrities in her time, but the one that stands out, at least in today's world, is Bill Cosby. Paige actually committed suicide, but she planned out every detail
00:33:35
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with the hopes of bringing attention to the poor treatment of women in her career received from the famous men, the population idolized.
00:33:43
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Honestly, from what I can gather, she wanted it to be like the Me Too movement of today. Like, you know, where they brought down Harvey Weinstein. I feel like that's what she was aiming for. That's just not what happened. Now, everything was just swept under the rug. The mindset of the Cosby didn't get arrested until. Yes. What? Two years ago. Yeah. Oh, by the way, he's free. That's cool. The mindset of the time was not ready for that type of information or change. We're talking 60s women.
00:34:14
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No. Ready for? We're talking about. A generation of people who. Yeah, women can vote, but. You're still subservient. Yeah. Stay in the kitchen, cook dinner, shut your mouth, clean the house, raise the kids. Yeah. Like. You're looking at a point where even if you were taken advantage of, you still cheated on me, so duh. Yeah. And if you got pregnant, you better be marrying him or you're going to get sent away to like a population place like.
00:34:42
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So anyway, this is how like Paige planned this out so methodically. She actually invited a friend over and walked her through the entire plan, the staging, everything. Almost like she was getting ready to throw a birthday party and getting input. Like that's how detailed. And the thing that pisses me off is half the details to this day are left out. Anytime they talk about her, it's left out.
00:35:08
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So she had an American flag laid out. That is what she laid on when she killed herself. One wall, a whole entire wall of the room where she killed herself. Can I just intervene for two seconds? You're going to anyway. Well, yeah. But she laid out the American flag, which represents what? America and what? Freedom. Yeah. So so that to me is a very, very
00:35:38
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Strong and that is the only like in all in almost every account that you look at That is the only detail talked about is the American flag. Nothing else. I'm about to tell you
00:35:52
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Because they didn't report it. She had an entire wall of the room she died in filled with newspaper clippings and magazine clippings of different celebrity men and people in Hollywood and things like that. Never talked about. Across the top of the wall were the words Hugh Hefner is the devil. Never talked about written in red paint.
00:36:14
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along with a suicide note detailing the things that she had lived to and that were done to her. She expressed her anger towards men in the industry that in her words, chewed her up and spat her out. She mentioned Hugh Hefner directly and a director by the name of John Houston. That director, she had actually just returned with, after taking like a trip with him in Ireland,
Playboy Culture and Its Impact
00:36:40
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days before she killed herself like it wasn't but no details like you can't find the details like it's hard i search like all this is like speculation right but when it when when anybody with money doesn't want something to be found it ain't found and it's not like today where people can take pictures and post it like you're going off the press because nowadays even if you take a picture to prove it
00:37:03
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It's censored and taken down block. So the next day the entire scene was cleaned up and brushed under the rug. Her neighbor Melanie Myers who is also a friend is the one that discovered her body.
00:37:20
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Melanie actually started speaking out in 2014 to in interviews to the media to magazines doing actual interviews on TV Which is why so many details are known now because she told people what she's the one that saw She saw the Hugh Hefner's the devil. She saw all that Not only that when Melanie gave interviews
00:37:44
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She stated that while she was at a party with Paige at the Playboy Mansion, Paige was filmed having sex without her consent. And Melanie said that Paige felt like this was the end of the world and really prompted her on a downward spiral. At the time of her suicide, Paige
00:38:14
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Set it up, went into it. Unfortunately, it didn't spark outcry. It didn't spark an investigation. She was another casualty, and she was quickly forgotten. There are multiple accounts of her being heavily drugged with Quaaludes. And as I think one report stated, she was basically an accessory on Bill Cosby's arm multiple times, as well as many other men in Hollywood. And she just couldn't handle it. She wanted to start a movement, and she wanted to make it better
00:38:43
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And she gave her life for that and they literally just swept it all up, put a little bow on it. She's a depressed, crazy lady and moved on with their lives. So like just to be like. Do she. So yourself. Yeah. So we're going to pay a woman and we're going to tell this woman. If you pose this way and you do this, you're going to you're you're going to make a fortune. Right. OK.
00:39:13
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So that's what she signed up for. So what she didn't sign up for is men becoming obsessed with her for being revealing.
00:39:25
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Honestly, I think they kind of knew that most of them from what I can tell most of them wanted they thought and this is again Just my personal opinion I think most of them thought that they could be the next Jane Mansfield or Marilyn Monroe Playboy was gonna be what stepped them into Hollywood as an actress as a star Ever ever signed up for
00:39:49
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I'm going to get raped or taken advantage of or whatever. They signed up for something and they're like, if you're just a little bit scandalous, right? And whatever a little bit scandalous meant at that time. Then we're going to give you money, right? Whereas a man.
00:40:11
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you know, hey, I showed you my butt, right? Yeah. And I'm going to give you like millions of dollars for showing your butt. No, he's not being. It's not the same. It's just like if a guy sleeps around, he's a he's a he's a stud and if a girl does it, she's a whore. Right.
00:40:27
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But the thing is, is most of these, like, I think that, like, it's one of those things where you, I think you, you, you think you know how bad it is and you think you can handle it because I'm just going to take this one picture. I'm going to take this one risque picture and then I'm going to be famous and everyone will forget about this one thing. But the deal is, is most of them didn't get famous. Most of them were used and abused and then people hated them.
00:40:54
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Men would, you know, pleasure themselves looking at their picture, but scorn them in public to their wives who were all Karens and holier than thou, and just, ooh, there was Miss Playboar. Well, how the heck do you know what month she was, madam? But their lives were hell. Because they were, especially the 50s and the 60s, like, it was hell for these women.
00:41:15
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So, um, I was just saying like, just simply, you know, you want to talk about the Me Too movement. Like truth be told, if I go to a nude beach and it's a nude beach and a guy grabs me.
00:41:32
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And he's like, well, well, you're naked. So I just assumed. Oh, yeah. I wanted it. Well, it's just, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like today's society. You know, we tell we teach girls not to dress provocatively to entice boys instead of teaching boys to respect women. There's actually I wish I know.
00:41:52
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I think it's the, there's a girl on TikTok and she always writes these crazy songs with this girl she babysits but she, I saw it this morning and I wish I knew that this was a story I was going to land on because I've typed out so many for tonight but she did a pledge of allegiance and she made the little girl repeat it and the girl's like 13 and she was like, and the whole thing was like I pledge allegiance to myself and respect myself and if my teachers
00:42:20
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Are my elders tell a boy, tell me that a boy is picking on me because he likes me or he's being mean to me because he likes me. That is not true. Like the whole like basically telling people that the stereotypes and the things that we teach our kids is bunk. Yeah. And we need to teach our boys to be respectful of women and women to be respectful of themselves and each other. And that's like that's kind of the proof of the pudding is what I was trying to say, like.
00:42:47
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Just because a woman is wearing something that you find provocative. Does it give you the right to touch her? Yeah. So anyways, I'm so sorry. You're fine. I kind of went off on a rant there. You do. Connie Kressick was the playmate in 1969. She died of a block carotid artery at age 48, which is super young. They make those. No, I'm sorry. It's embarrassing.
00:43:14
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Allison Park was a playmate in 1966. She died from heart failure. Claudine Jennings was Playmate of the Month in November 1969 and then became Playmate of the Year in 1970. She was also known as the Queen of B-movies. She died in a car crash in Malibu.
00:43:35
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Carolyn Carol not sorry not Carol and Carol Willis was playmate July 1970 she died in a car accident and Laguna Beach at just age 21 year after being the playmate of the month almost to the day. Flip them a page here.
00:43:55
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We have Willie Ray, who was Playmate of the Month, February 1971. While Ray's Playboy cover career was not that long, it was big. And she quickly became one of the most iconic playmates, even though she was only there for a short time. When Playboy released their stock certificate in 1971, Ray's naked image was what appeared at the top of the certificate.
00:44:23
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Really? Yes. However, however many of Ray's friends and family spoke up about her growing depression and at age 23, two years after she was the playboy of the month, she was found dead of barbiturate overdose. We also have. Sorry, I had to flip back. This one was out of order. We've got where is she at? She was in the 70s.
00:44:52
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I think I didn't flip back enough pages. Do you want me to ramble for a minute? I do not because there's no, you'll go down the conspiracy hole. And that is, that is not what we, we're not doing that. It's not what's not conspiracy, dude. It's just like logical. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like at this point, when you pull a pattern like this, you're a serial killer, right? Right? Eve Meyers died in a plane crash in the Canary Islands in 1977.
00:45:18
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I don't know if the Twin Towers in the United States of September 11th is comparable, but they say this is one of the most deadliest crashes in history. It is where two pin and planes like Boeing 757 or whatever it's a big huge plane.
00:45:36
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collided into each other after being diverted due to a terrorist attack it is known as the tetra five airport disaster and five hundred eighty three people were killed in this disaster because of these two full planes crashing like basically head-on collision okay question again uh-huh aren't there people
00:45:56
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Whose jobs it is? There were, but it was a terrorist attack. They were trying to route all these planes because of a terrorist attack and these two planes just head on collided and 583 people died. Over the ocean.
00:46:11
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Yeah, so there was next we've got Playmate Star Stowe. She was Playmate of the Month February 1977. She was another beautiful model who fun fact was the first Playmate with a visible tattoo. She also dated Gene Simmons from Kiss and her photo was used on the cover of one of their albums.
00:46:32
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She became an exotic dancer after she worked with Playboy before finally becoming a prostitute in southeast Florida, I believe Fort Lauderdale, where she died in 1977. She died at the hands of a suspected serial killer because multiple prostitutes were strangled to death during that time with their bodies being dumped afterwards.
00:46:55
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Stowe's body was found dumped March 1997, three days before her 41st birthday after being strangled to death. To this day, this serial killer has never been named and never been caught, and these women do not have justice.
00:47:11
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Next we have Dorothy Stratton, Playmate of the Year, 1980. She was featured in 1979. Dorothy grew up in Vancouver as a young girl, and she was working in an ice cream shop. When 26-year-old Paul Snyder, who was a pimp and worked at a local strip club, walked in to get ice cream and spotted her.
00:47:34
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He very quickly began dating Dorothy when she was 17 to 18. Details are kind of fuzzy. He paid a photographer to take nude photos of her so he could submit them to Playboy as they were having their 25th anniversary great playmate hunt. Because of her age, her mom had to sign a consent form for her photos to be sent. The age of consent in Canada was 19 at the time. Yay, Canada.
00:48:01
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Dorothy was chosen as a finalist and moved to LA in August 1978 and Paul moved there in October Following her and the two were married in 1979 in June She began working at as a bunny at the Playboy Century One Club There was Eddie Sabrina was in that show that they had a whole like show on I think it was CBS about this club and
00:48:24
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She became Miss August for that year. Hugh Hefner thought she could easily transition into acting. And he honestly, he expected really big things from her because she and she was beautiful. And she's only 20. She's a baby. Hugh helped her get auditions for TV shows and she ended up getting booked for several gigs, even though she was young and only been in L.A. under a year. She'd already been cast in TV shows, commercials, even movies.
00:48:54
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the things like she was she was nailing it but even when she had all these things going for she had one really really big drawback Hugh told Dorothy
00:49:08
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Babe, you got to get rid of your husband because he's a hustler, which is rich coming from you freakin' effin' her, but whatever. Even her friend said, you got to leave him. His behavior is not OK, and he's just all around. He's a bad guy. Paul made himself a constant present everywhere Dorothy went.
00:49:31
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He constantly picked on her, berated her, critiquing her, pointing out every little thing that was wrong with her, even in public, mainly because he was insanely jealous of her. She was beautiful.
00:49:44
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Yeah, she could literally have whatever she wanted. Yeah. Dorothy was cast in a movie that required her to go to New York to film. And she actually convinced Paul to stay behind. Mainly because she lied and said only cast and crew were allowed on site. But she just didn't, you know, she didn't want him there. He was crazy person.
00:50:03
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While filming, she did end up having an affair with the director of the movie. And that doesn't surprise me. Like when you're in a relationship with somebody that controls your every move. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Especially when you're your baby. So the director actually wrote her character as an unhappy married woman who was the love interest of the main character. Kind of sounds similar to her real life.
00:50:28
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Right. Or every hallmark move. Right. Ever. While in New York, Dorothy wrote a letter asking Paul for a divorce and freedom from the relationship. He took this well. Right. Not. He flew into a rage, called her immediately, screaming at her. And Dorothy said, you know what, if you want this, if you want our marriage to work and you want our relationship to work, I'll give up my career. I'll give up my new stardom. Let's move back to Canada and start a life together.
00:50:58
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That was a big negative from Paul, because you remember, he's a pimp and he's basically been his wife out to make money. And he relied on her success. He relied on her career. And that was what paid for his way of life. So he refused this offer. When Dorothy returned to L.A., she did leave Snyder and got an apartment. But it was just for show as she never moved in. And she moved in instead with her boyfriend, the director.
00:51:26
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Meanwhile, Paul decided to take the mature route. He sold off every Playboy gift she was given during her time as a playmate at a loss. Like she had a Jaguar. He sold it for like nothing, just for easy cash on hand and a big screw you to Dorothy. Paul then decided to hire a PI to basically stalk Dorothy and figure out what was going on.
00:51:50
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When Paul found out she was living with the director, he was furious. He actually went to their house and hid in the bushes outside their home with a handgun and he was going to shoot whichever one showed up first. However, true to his nature, Paul got impatient and didn't want to wait any longer when neither of them came home, so he left.
00:52:13
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Dorothy agreed to meet Paul to discuss their divorce, even though everyone told her not to meet him. But she told him all Paul was being really nice. They were getting along and she really just thought she needed to go sit down with him. They could talk about it amicably and they could stay friends because she was a good person. And remember, she is 20 years old. She is young. She is naive. She has not been in the game.
00:52:40
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All her friends her boyfriend Hugh Hefner her lawyer all said do not go meet him. Her lawyer said I'll make it to where you never have to see him again but she wanted to be a nice person and she wanted to remain friends.
00:52:59
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That when your ex says, I don't want to be with you anymore, but I really want to be friends. Don't ever expect that you're going to remain friends. Like, especially not with friendship anymore. Like, I mean, there can be, but not when he's a psychotic, jealous, crazy man. I, how many of your exes are you still friends with?
00:53:24
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I'm cordial. I never dated anyone besides your brother, really. Cordial, of course. Everybody's cordial. But I've not ever been in a real, like, outlawy pie to my exes, right? But I'm not like, hey, well, let's go hang out. Let's be like we used to be. No, because it's not real. No. So Dorothy arrived at the former house that she and Paul lived in.
00:53:46
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He still lived there. He had roommates and they were alone. She was going to do her best to remain friends. They were going to talk about this. She's going to get the rest of her crap that he hasn't pawned basically. Around 8 p.m. that night, Paul's roommates returned and realized they're screwed. Paul and Dorothy are getting back together.
00:54:06
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His bedroom door shut, Dorothy's car still in the driveway. They're not screaming and swearing at each other. So they all go into the living room and just kind of hang out together and watch TV. No big deal. The PI that Paul had hired called to talk to Snyder. One of the roommates answered the phone and told him Paul and Dorothy are still in his bedroom together.
00:54:29
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And the PI immediately said, how long have they been in there? And the guy was like, uh, for a while. The PI is extremely concerned because he had already refused multiple requests from Paul to get him a handgun.
00:54:49
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So he's terrified. He knows this is not like Honky Dory. And he asked, whatever roommate he's on the phone, he said, I need you to go to the room and look in and make sure they're okay. So they did. And that is when they found both Paul and Dorothy naked and dead from a single shotgun blast to the face. It appeared as though Dorothy had been attached to Paul's homemade bondage rack by duct tape.
00:55:17
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She was raped. She was sodomized. Paul was found with a large chunk of her hair still grasped in his hand before he took them both out with one shot. Because of her fame and because of how big she was, you can legitimately Google and find
00:55:40
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photos of this crime scene. They're widely distributed and they're still on the internet today. Her murder was actually turned into a TV drama, like a lifetime movie, titled Death of a Sinnerfold. And she was killed just a few months prior to taking her crown as Playmate of the Year in 1980. Now, if you were Playmate of the Month, you got like $20,000. If you were Playmate of the Year, you got like $200,000. Playmate of the Year was a big deal.
00:56:10
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So a few random facts about her. The song Californication was written about her. Brian Adams wrote a song The Best Is Yet To Come about her. Bush wrote a song called Dead Meat about her. Her boyfriend, Peter the director, used every dime he had to his name to buy the rights to the movie that they had made together, which was titled They All Laughed because it was the last time they were together and it captured it on film.
00:56:40
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He was destroyed, heartbroken. He even wrote an entire book about the events of her murder and the title of the book is called The Death of a Unicorn. He actually reached out to help take care of her younger sister, paid her way through school. All of this would have been really sweet if he hadn't then turned around and married her sister as soon as she turned 20, passed the age of consent in Kentucky.
00:57:06
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in Kentucky. Canada creeps me out a little. Got to be honest with you. Her death had a huge effect on Hugh Hefner. And he talked about Dorothy into the 2000s when he was still alive. So next, like the diamond in the rough. Yeah, exactly.
00:57:27
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Cause she was a baby. She hadn't been famous for even a year before her ex-husband brutally murdered her. Like he took away her whole life. She was 20. So next we're gonna move to Jennifer Lynn Jackson. She was Playmate of the Month, April 1989. In 1989, when she was named Playmate, she was the favorite of many and actually named one of the finalists
00:57:56
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for the top playmates of the 35th anniversary edition of the magazine. Unfortunately, her life unraveled in her late 30s. In 2007, she was arrested for a DUI theft and possession charge. She was ordered to receive drug and alcohol counseling and placed on a probation for three years. Three years after that, when her probation ended, she died at the age of 40 in her bed due to a heroin overdose.
00:58:24
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the ever famous, everyone knows, I even know who this is, Anna Nicole Smith. She died at 39 from an accidental drug overdose, approximately one year to the day her son died previously from a drug overdose.
00:58:41
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which one she married the really old guy that was loaded and he had died right before her birth she gave birth to a baby girl and it was like a big deal because no one knew who the baby's dad actually was and it was like a big huge custody thing oh yeah um the little girl's beautiful now she's an adult um it was everywhere
00:59:06
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Tiffany Sloan was Playmate of the Month, October 1992. After being in the magazine, she got into acting and played a small part in Married with Children, but never really made it to the big time. Sloan returned multiple times for different shots with Playboy throughout her life in 2006 after
00:59:26
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Her startup business tank, she moved to Las Vegas and started stripping, which was something she'd done when she was younger before Playboy. This also led to drug abuse, which is what caused her death in 2008, which was an apparent intentional overdose. And she was only 35 years old. Stephanie Adams was Playmate of the Month, November 1992. Oh my goodness.
00:59:50
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She also appeared again in 2003. Stephanie was the definition of a boss babe. On top of being a centerfold, she wrote 26 self-health books. She owned a publishing company. She co-owned her husband's chiropractic business and ran a beauty company called Goddessy Organics. Early in her career, she came out as a lesbian, but then got married for the second time to a man which ended in divorce.
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And this divorce was bad.
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On May 17th, 2018, she took her seven-year-old son Vincent to a hotel in New York and checked into the 25th floor. She had really wanted to take her son away on vacation, but her ex-husband and his lawyers blocked the vacation. So it was literally like the best she could do. She was quoted as saying, all I want to do is take my son away, my son and get away from all this craziness. By craziness, she means the legal battles with her ex. Police had to go to their home multiple times due to domestic disputes.
01:00:51
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It got so bad that the custody handoff between the mother and father had to be done at a police precinct because they were so volatile. Around 815 AM Stephanie and her son Vincent were found dead on a second floor balcony after falling 23 floors. She committed suicide taking her seven year old son with her to the death.
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Cassandra Hensley, 2006, accidentally overdosed in a friend's bathtub in 2014, leaving behind a husband and two kids. Christina Carolyn Kraft was Cyber Girl of the Week, May 2009. She was murdered at 36 years of age, August 26th, by a man she met that morning.
01:01:39
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She was murdered in her own home in Pennsylvania, where her hands were tied behind her back before being strangled to death by a man named Jonathan Harris. Harris claimed in court that they were doing drugs together and he was too high to remember anything that happened. But he murdered her, then robbed her, attempted to flee on a Greyhound type bus where he was caught and then tried for first degree murder. He's still in prison right to this day.
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Jasmine Fiore was Playmate. And like now we're into where they're doing cyber, like there's no more centerfold because there's no magazine like. I remember hearing the story when it was the centerfold curse. Yeah. But now you're moving into like now now. Yeah.
01:02:20
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So Jasmine Fiore was, um, she was a swimsuit model and while she was never actually featured in the Playboy Cyber magazine, she worked their events in Los Angeles and she ran their Playboys, Playgirls of Golf and was in the process of opening her own gym. Jasmine met her husband, Ryan Jenkins, at a casino and he was celebrating just coming off the reality TV show, Megan Wants a Millionaire, which was on VH1.
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They met March 19th, 2009 and then married on March 20th. Can't keep up. That's like 24 hours, met, married, met, married. You're welcome. What Ryan did not know was that Jasmine is one of those girls who actually was able to remain friends with her exes. And like most of the men we've talked about, Ryan was a jealous dick and it wasn't a good situation.
01:03:15
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Shortly after their marriage, Ryan left for Mexico to start filming VH1's reality TV show, I Love Money 3. He called Jasmine daily, daily to talk to her. Wanted to know who she talked to that day, where she went, what she did. He did it so much that they were gonna make it part of the show because he was obsessed with her. When Ryan was done filming, they ended up getting divorced and Jasmine started dating one of her exes again.
01:03:45
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While they were no longer married, they did continue to share a home, hooking up occasionally. It was a weird kind of situation. Trying to remain friends, but not really on friendly terms all the time as police had to be called to their home multiple times.
01:03:59
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Ryan was charged with a battery constituting domestic violence charge in Nevada after hitting Fiore in the arm and knocking her into a pool. It's actually important to note that he was actually charged in 2005 for assaulting his girlfriend as well, but we'll get to that in a minute.
01:04:24
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So a few days before he was set to go to trial, the two reconciled and decided to go to San Diego for a little romantic poker trip. My, my destination, what I'd want to do for a romantic getaway in August. They checked into their hotel Thursday, August 13th. And on the 14th at 2.30 AM, they were seen leaving their hotel after the poker tournament and went to the Ivy hotel for drinks. Everything's caught on CCTV because again, we're in the 2000s. Yeah.
01:04:52
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Later, later, Jenkins can be seen returning to his hotel room alone and Fiore was not with him and never seen alive again.
01:05:02
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the friends they were playing poker with said that they got into a huge fight that night as Jasmine, okay, I feel like Jasmine and I would have been friends besides the fact that she was beautiful and outgoing and I like to be in sweatpants and stay at my house. She was very sarcastic, she had a very witty, like dry, like cutting, like she's making fun of you, basically. And so she had been giving Ryan a hard time the whole time and he's just getting madder and madder.
01:05:30
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Not only that, Fiore spent a lot of time in the bathroom on the phone and when Ash, she said, I'm just talking to my mom. But it was one o'clock in the morning. Who she'd actually been texting was. So she'd actually been texting an ex-boyfriend for Thursday through Friday night. And she told him that when she was done with this trip, she wanted to come see him late Friday night. He received a random text from Fiore just stating suck it.
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but that
01:06:18
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And he found a suitcase, like a pretty nice looking suitcase, and then lifted the lid. He saw the naked body of a young girl covered in marks. She'd been beaten and crushed into a suitcase left in the California heat. Her teeth had all been removed. Her fingertips had all been removed. And her body was naked and had been strangled. The body was identified three days later by serial numbers in her breast implants.
01:06:47
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and the body was Jasmine Fiore. The autopsy showed she died just a few hours before being found. Her white Mercedes was parked nearby with a lot of blood in it. Her ex-husband Ryan was the obvious suspect. And to add fuel to the flyer, he... The flyer? The flyer, yeah. Fire. He had fled to Canada.
01:07:07
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However, a warrant was issued for his arrest. And on August 20th, he checked into a motel where he hung himself with a shower curtain. He did leave a suicide note apologizing to his family, saying that he hated Jasmine as much as he loved her, but he never admitted to killing her. During the investigation on August 27th, they checked his storage unit and found all his stuff. Inside included the matching luggage to what Jasmine's body was left in.
01:07:35
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Ashley Mattingly was playmate March 2011, had a very public battle with alcoholism. She was on social medias, ended up, she stated that she was not going to go down as a drunken playboy playmate. So move closer with her family to get help. Unfortunately, April 2020, she took her own life.
01:07:58
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And then I left this one for last, even though it is out of order just because. So we've got Yvette Vickers. She was Playmate of the Month, July 1959.
01:08:13
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She was a Hollywood sex symbol whose photo of her naked behind on a sofa, like she was laying on a sofa and it showed her naked butt. And he recalls that the lawyers called him having a fit saying, stop the press, yank it, we're gonna get fine. He basically said, screw yourself. After her Playboy days, she did some movies, think sci-fi movies, Attack of the 50 Foot Woman.
01:08:36
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And attack of the giant leeches were the two names, but she became like a cult icon She went to all the little sci-fi cons everything She died in her home in her 80s from a heart attack and Like I mean she lived a great life. She lived a full life. So why is she like why did I save her for last? Well April 2011 and neighbor was walking her dog and noticed Vicar's Mel was just like falling out of her mailbox and
01:09:06
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so was worried and wanted to check on her in 2011. She was playmate in 1959. She died of a heart attack, which is natural causes. She died in her own home when this neighbor walked into her house, she was hit with a smell.
01:09:26
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Vickers had had a heart attack and died. And there was a small space heater that was left on, which caused her to mummify because she had spent a year dead in her house by herself. No one knowing. That's not possible. It is. She was in her 80s. No one checked on her. So they don't they estimate it was up to a year that she was dead alone in her house. And she was when they found her, she was mummified from the heat.
01:09:58
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This isn't even a half like but here's the deal like this isn't even your power if Right, but she was loaded. So she probably was one of those people that paid like and I mean, you know, she's loaded like Yeah, that's crazy I just know I'm just sitting here thinking
01:10:23
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I just like I'm just sitting here thinking this isn't even half of the stuff I found. Like this isn't even half. Like the deal is they they say it could have been up to a year. They don't have an exact time of death because she was mummified. Yeah. But she was mummified. So it's not like it had been a week or even a month or two. Like she was mummified. So I don't know. That's kind of weird.
01:10:53
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Then it was natural as a heart attack. Well, no, that's not what I mean. I mean, well, I mean, think about if you don't have kids and you don't have a spouse. But I feel like he intensifies something dead, right? Like it did, but nobody was going into her house. Yeah, but nobody noticed the smell and said, hey, I'm sure it's not normal. I'm sure it's not like a cookie cutter house. I'm sure she had like a nice big yard.
01:11:19
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And her neighbors were used to her going on all these little Comic Con tours that she went to. Yeah. So they're used to not seeing her. So no one thought anything was weird until all the Mel's just like literally piling out of the Mel Bronx and her neighbor was like, huh, that's weird. A year later. I don't that it could have been up to a year, but for her to be completely mummified, it had to be six months. Like not even like the person delivering the Mel thought. Because I do this every day.
01:11:50
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And we're talking 2000s, right? Yeah. 2011. They're there seven days a week.
01:11:55
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Okay, but here's the deal. I never check my mail because I pay all my bills electronically so I don't have to and my Amazon packages come to my door. But I feel like it's still early enough though. But I've got a month without checking my mailbox and the only reason we checked it is because the mailman cussed Frankie out. Well, he didn't know Frankie was like leaned over in the car and the guy's like, you SNA holes, check your mama. And Frankie popped his head up and was like, is there a problem? And the guy's like, oh, no, no. And he's like, I already heard you.
01:12:23
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There's a problem. Yeah. And your brothers, you know, loves confrontation. But of course, like, you know what I mean? Like, what else are you going to do that? You got to do something with the mail. So they're just stacking it. So. So what do you think? Is there a curse? You know. Some of the stories.
01:12:45
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I wouldn't say curse. See, some of the stories like the fact that especially the early the early days, they had it really bad. And you know what? When they're trying to do it, doesn't matter how confident and how beautiful you are, you're going into a room taking your clothes off and taking pictures. You're probably nervous, especially that first time. So here it's not it's not even just that. Take this pill. Get once you get into that realm. Of. Like high society. Yeah.
01:13:16
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It's it's a no hold bar. Well, yeah, there's all you either shut the hell up and do what you're told. Yep. And Holly Madison, her her tell all book, I mean, it is it's rough what what these girls were put through. They were expected because she talked in one point about how they were expected to have orgies two times a week. Yeah. And she said, you're literally made to have orgies with these other women who hate you and who are talking all this crap about you.
01:13:45
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And when she finally said enough's enough and left, like she broke up with Hugh, she was leaving. He left a copy of his will on her bed that showed if she had stayed, she'd have gotten three million and she still said no. Like it's not worth it.
01:14:00
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3 million. You put me through all this torture for 3 million and chaos and I'm mentally scarred and physically scarred for the rest of my life. And you're going to hand me a dollar bill and say, well, like, and he was, I mean, they had like, they got a thousand dollars a week. If you were one of the girlfriends that lived at the mansion, you got a thousand dollars a week, like allowance.
01:14:24
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But it is rumored, it is rumored, I do not know this for a fact, that like when it was time to collect your allowance, he would take like a bunch of Viagra, lay on his bed with his, you know, and they would all have to line up and all get on his lap.
01:14:44
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dancing around if you will for a few minutes. Like a row and they'd all have to sit there and watch each other and encourage each other to get their money. But then Hugh didn't want them to save the money. He didn't want them to invest the money. They weren't allowed to plan for futures like college he wanted the money spent. Because he didn't want, I mean it's like he didn't want them to have options.
01:15:10
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Honestly, he reminds me a lot. Not as bad because these women chose this lifestyle. And it was their choice. Maybe they didn't feel like they had a lot of choices. Maybe they got trapped when they were in there. But it was. I feel like at this point, like you started out with. Here, I'm going to promise you.
01:15:30
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Yeah, okay. You remember the part in the Lion King where Mufasa tells Simba... Oh, this will be yours? Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:41
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That's kind of what this feels like. Well, you can't answer the dark plan, right? Yeah. So you can have all of this, but you can't do this. Yeah. But they were they were basically glorified prostitutes. Like they were made to sleep with men for drugs at all these parties. The walls like in Holly Madison's book, she talks about how the walls were so thin. She shared a bathroom with a girl and she could hear everything that happened in that bathroom.
01:16:08
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oh yeah talks about how like all the pets there was like fecal matter and urine in the carpet like at one point the CDC shut down their pool you know the huge pool the huge grotto yeah on cribs because
01:16:26
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They the CDC was are the health department and whoever were given a call Because there was a huge party there and a hundred and I believe it was a hundred and twenty people Got lesion air's disease From the pool the annual average in America for lesion air's disease is thirteen hundred It was ten percent of the annual average got it in one night because that pool was so gross that's
01:16:55
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Like they're I mean so on the one hand you have this glamorous lifestyle where you have all these shoes and all these endorsements and standing reservations at spas and on the other hand You got this life that you're basically put I mean, I'm not gonna say he's as bad as him but I'm gonna say after all of Holly Madison stuff that she shared and
01:17:23
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I'm surprised he didn't have an island if you get where I'm going. I agree. Like I don't want to get shut down, so we're not going to say the name. And these girls did it willingly. But you manipulate, right? It's like that weird. No, I'm not even go there, but. I don't think it's like you can promise somebody a lollipop, right? Yeah.
01:17:53
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And you didn't tell him it was poop flavored. Right. Exactly. Exactly.
Celebrities, Conspiracy Theories, and Justice
01:17:59
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And I think a lot of these girls got addicted like Marilyn. Oh, yeah. It's I mean, it's just like it's just like Prince. Like I'm going to die here from sleeping medicine. I believe it was like over. Yeah. But here's my thing on the curse. How many of these people died in tragic accidents?
01:18:19
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Yeah. And I didn't even hit the like, this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. No, I know. And this is this is literally a conspiracy theory. Yeah. And that is hilarious. Well, only because you and I were talking about conspiracy theories last night and I was like, I'm doing it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. But like, you know, in every conspiracy theory that's out there, like you can read a truth. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But wait.
01:18:46
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Yep. I told you, I love a good conspiracy theory. Oh, absolutely. Love a good conspiracy theory. But I mean, this like legit. But I mean, when you when you talk about like, OK, so we have all these guys that get accused of rape and they go through all this court stuff and it could be true.
01:19:10
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true it's whatever right and then they still serve time because the accusation was there and then you get into the higher class of people who get accused of rape and it's like that never happened no and then god willing you get into politics right now and it's like no i know it didn't happen i never had a relationship with that woman we're never
01:19:39
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Yeah, exactly. Right. So it's like it's just that those standards. Right. Yeah. So like you're like low class, middle class, whatever. Yeah. You're going to stand trial the way that it was always supposed to be. But the deal is, is people didn't like. Besides the one who committed suicide and staged everything, none of the other girls ever that you can find
01:20:10
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I guess is the very large Astrid caveat there. Yeah. Never spoke out like Holly Madison is now the bodyguard or not the butler or whatever. He was like a long standing employee. That's a Playboy mansion. Did it tell all these ladies died? Yes. And they could have said something to somebody at some point. Yeah. That caused that death. Yeah. And so now that Hugh Hefner is dead. Yeah. Right.
01:20:39
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Now all of a sudden it's coming out. But it's the thing that reminds me of the island is like the girl that killed herself trying to make a statement. She was recorded against her knowledge and consent having sex. So there were probably hidey holes recording things all over the mansion. Oh, yeah. But I don't know, like it's just the fact like all the overdoses, the serial killers,
01:21:04
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The disgruntled exes, their stories were their spouses were killed by stalkers. When you mentioned Anna. Yeah. Courtney was. Yeah. Crazy people. They're crazy. Yeah, she killed her. I don't care what anybody says. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:21:27
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off now on Just this isn't true crime anymore. Welcome to the conspiracy hour. Yeah But it's just I mean they're like I said I the the drug overdoses and stuff I get that you can get hooked I've got family members who've battled drug addictions, but here's the deal, but that's also a really good cover-up When you want somebody
01:21:54
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But like Mansfield, Mansfield was, I mean, like that whole like. Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, that was that had nothing to do with Playboy that had everything to do with the presidency. Yeah. It's rumored allegedly. Definitely conspiracy alert conspiracy alert. Nothing to do with anything, guys. She just fell asleep. Right. So I don't. I just think that
01:22:23
Speaker
There I think there's something there. I got a lot. I got a lot of opinions, a lot. Feel free to come to our Instagram and Facebook.
Listener Engagement and Social Media Humor
01:22:32
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I are. Email us at Twisted Tales. Give us your opinion. Let's have a lively discussion of opinions. What is it? What is it? They call it suss, right? That's the new term for that's a little right. That's not new. They're 80 year old.
01:22:51
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geriatric jenny basically what's that term sus how old are you my boss calls them milkshakes what what are they called like the geriatric she calls them milkshakes
01:23:09
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because everybody once has some kind of like shaky. It was really does she call you a milkshake because she may as well. I mean, yeah, you're you're you got some shaking aches there. But anyway, I just thought the whole thing was like.
01:23:29
Speaker
No, I do love that story. I did. You did a TV one. So I had this one on the backboard on my spreadsheet and I didn't get a lot of sleep and I didn't want like a super heavy episode because quite frankly, I'm really freaking tired. And I didn't know if you realize Mansfield was Mariska Hargitay's mom. Like, honestly, that was my whole thing behind. I was like, oh, my gosh. No, I literally had no clue.
01:23:53
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Well, I was waiting for you to like, you were like, oh, I know her. And I was like, oh, dang, she knows. That's why I intentionally left out. No, like, I've heard of this. The Mansfield bar. No, I've heard of this. Oh, the. Yes. Fold deal. Curse. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I did not. Mm hmm. Get to know. So anyway, that's my tale. A lot of conspiracy. My super quick tale of an hour and a half. Do I ever quit talking?
01:24:23
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I feel like tonight was my fault. I don't know. I'll take the blame because I had a lot of just BS to throw out there. This is gonna be really quickly, so I only have nine pages of notes and you're like, what? What? This is not quick. Yeah, I have like five paragraphs when I do my story. I usually have 17 to 20 pages.
01:24:43
Speaker
I'm so afraid to embellish on stories, because you know me, I'm gonna be like, really they had 10 deaths, but now they've got 52. Be like that girl on Dr. Phil who was trying to, I watched this on TikTok this morning too, because your brother wouldn't let me sleep. She was on TikTok, or she was on TikTok, and Dr., she was trying to, she was telling Dr. Phil she was famous.
01:25:05
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And she was like, I mean, I've got like, I don't really keep track of it, but I have like seven billion followers on my Insta. And Dr. Phil was like, um, do you know how many people there are in the world? And she goes.
01:25:21
Speaker
I just don't have the time to keep up with that kind of thing. And he goes, yeah, there's like seven billion people. So you're telling me every single person in the world, including infants, follows you. And she's like, I guess I'm just like that famous. And I was like, oh, my God, no, slapper, hit her, slapper, hit her. And that's really how she talked to.
01:25:51
Speaker
But I don't follow you. Yeah, so that's, uh, six billion, nine under ninety-nine million, right? That would've been such a good comic. Audience boss! Raise your hand if you follow her. Alright, there's about fifty-two people out there, sweetie. Oh, that would've been such a good shutdown.
Conclusion and Farewells
01:26:09
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anyway anyways we're done yeah sorry we ramble we like it and we love you guys we do and hope that you let us know what you think about the curse what's your opinion i would like to know i feel like things are way too you know there's ironic there's no such thing as a coincidence says gibbs touche
01:26:36
Speaker
And that's how we live our life by his rules. Number nine. Right. Always carry a knife. Yeah. Even if it's in your belt. Mm hmm. That's ridiculous. All right. We're going to keep it up, guys. Y'all have a good night. We love you guys. Have a good night. Bye. Bye.