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Boomers, Coomers, & Consumers: What Went Wrong with Male Socialization
70 Plays4 years ago
We get our first Roast-A-Scrote! Polycule Fight club. Fights in Professional Sports. F*cking for cheeseburgers. Boomer Relationship Dynamics.
Behind the Bastards Episode on Red Pill Origins: https://twitter.com/FemDatStrat/status/1392937461467156480?s=20
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Long term though, we would like to expand into other forms of media, such as video, TikTok, newsletters, ebooks, even like real physical books, and so
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And I'm sure this is a sign of even greater things to come.
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Thank you.
Podcast Introduction and "Roast-a-Skroat" Segment
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What's up, queens?
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Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy Podcast.
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I'm your host, Ro.
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I'm Savannah.
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And this is Lilla.
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And today we're going to talk about why men today are so much more terrible, it seems like, than men of previous generations.
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But first, before that, we got our very first Roast-a-Skroat.
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Woo!
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Yeah.
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About to put some chestnuts over the roasting fire.
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Welcome to the first ever FDS barbecue.
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I wish we did a theme song.
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We need something that's like, chestnuts roasting on an open bar.
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Something like that.
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's May.
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It's barbecue season.
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You know, we've been locked up in our igloos all winter.
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And the clowns have come out to play, clearly.
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Okay, so this roast-a-scroat is submitted from our Patreon subscriber, Amrita.
Amrita's Uncomfortable Date Story
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She says, allow me to share with you a story from my pick me days set at the beginning of the pandemic.
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I had just escaped an abusive relationship and had recently moved to a new city to start a job.
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So I took some time to walk down to the boardwalk and read a book as it was a nice sunny day.
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Not 30 minutes go by before a guy comes and sits on the bench closest to mine, and I can feel him practically boring holes into the side of my head while I try to ignore him.
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Eventually, he remarks in the sunset, and I decided to humor him, because why not?
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He said he worked at a bank in the city and seemed well-adjusted enough and not unattractive in any way.
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Eventually, he gives me his number as he's, quote unquote, left his phone at home and asked me to text him.
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I bemusedly accept and walk away without any intention of doing so, but a day or two passes and I'm becoming increasingly bored again, so I think, why not?
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He asks me if I'd be interested in a picnic date with a view of the city and I accept.
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On the day of the date, he texts me to meet him in front of the W Hotel.
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But when I get there, he's nowhere to be found.
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Now it's about 90 degrees outside and I'm very much not a warm weather person.
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So I decide to just text him and wait in the lobby.
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About 15 to 20 minutes go by and he finally calls me.
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He asks me where I am with a tinge of irritation in his voice.
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And I tell him I'm waiting in the lobby to which he becomes even more annoyed and tells me to come outside.
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I exit the building and look around and there he is across the street.
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So I brush it off and go over to meet him.
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I'm surprised he's not carrying any picnic supplies with him, but he asked me if I'd like to take a quick walk along the boardwalk and then grab takeout, which is fine by me.
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He started speedwalking down the boardwalk, and though I'm a pretty fast walker myself, I'm wearing heels in a dress, which make it uncomfortable to keep up.
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See, they thought we were crazy when we said that speedwalking is a red flag.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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We had a post that was like, if he walks fast, dump him.
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Hell yeah.
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If he walks in front of you, if he walks in front of you, dump him.
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Yeah.
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Because it's a huge red flag.
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Yeah.
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It's like a deliberate power play.
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Cause any man knows if you dress up and you got heels on, it's going to take you a while to catch up with them.
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So usually a gentleman or a man who is the least bit considerate, what like offer you his arm.
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They'll match your pace.
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Yeah.
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Or walk at your pace.
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They know this.
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He should know this.
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All right.
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So he starts vaguely talking about work without giving any specifics.
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And so I listen politely and then respond with a lighthearted work story of my own, which seems to annoy him slightly.
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And he quickly changes the subject without even bothering to ask what it is I do.
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I'm a doctor and it's pretty relevant to my personal dating life.
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So I usually put it out there early, but I literally could not get a word.
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Oh man.
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So many red flags.
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Anyway,
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At this point, I'm sweltering hot and ask if we can make a pit stop at a cafe or something so I can pick up a cold drink, which he agrees to, and speeds off towards a nearby restaurant, which was fully booked, while telling me that he doesn't drink but is perfectly fine if I do.
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I eventually managed to tell him that I meant a non-alcoholic drink because I was thirsty, and he brushes it off saying I don't have to be nice for his sake, and that he has drinks at his apartment, which is only around the corner.
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Oh, this is a date rapist.
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Fuck this guy.
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Oh.
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Oh, God.
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Like, the line about, oh, I don't drink, but I don't mind if you have one.
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Well, oh, how charitable of him to allow me to drink some water.
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See, this is what I'm saying.
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There's all these little tells.
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And individually, men act like we're crazy.
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But, like, the staring her down, the being 15 to 20 minutes late, the walking too fast.
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Acting irritated with her.
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Yeah, already getting irritated.
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Like, oh, my God.
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This is just, like... It's escalating.
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It's escalating.
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escalating but if you say these in individually you guys are overreacting bullshit no we're not okay so now i know this was a stupid idea and trust me i would never ever do this now but at the time i thought why not i'm parched and overheating and none of the cafes were allowing people to sit down anyway so maybe it would be fine to just grab a glass of orange juice at his place
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I'm scared.
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This feels like in a horror movie when they walk down into the basement and you're at the end of your seat.
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Like, oh no.
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It's almost telling how calculating this guy is.
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Oh, it hurts.
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Yeah, it's so, so shady.
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He knew exactly what he was doing and that just gives me the creeps.
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So she says how wrong I was, of course.
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It's okay.
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We all been there, sis.
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Well, maybe not this, but not this specifically, but...
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We finally get to his apartment, which is up literally five flights of rickety-ass stairs, and I'm desperate for a glass of water.
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His apartment seems clean enough, if a little oddly decorated, but I've seen worse, so I brush it off.
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I want to know by oddly decorated.
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Is there taxidermy?
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What kind of oddly decorated?
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I need details.
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But not even just that.
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I feel like if you're already telling yourself, well, it's not that bad.
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Oh, leave.
00:07:24
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Oh, you are not impressed by that man by that time.
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Every time I've had that feeling and I didn't immediately leave, I regret it because it never gets better.
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Ladies, whatever state you see his home in, that is the best he can do.
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That's the best he can do.
00:07:38
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Uh, so, uh, he's been talking nonstop this entire time, but to be honest, I didn't hear a thing until he opened the fridge door.
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He says he doesn't have ice juice, milk, or anything, but he does have a few shot bottles of Jack Daniels, which he keeps for his friends.
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I can tell him that I'm really just interested in the water, but he places one down in front of me anyway before returning to the sink and filling up a glass with tap water.
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Now, I'm not squeamish about tap water, but this water was literally lukewarm, if not actually warm.
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I drink it down anyway.
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And of course, he's been talking the entire time about how he decorated his apartment with paintings he bought at Goodwill.
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See, that's what I'm talking about.
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That's weird.
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Yeah.
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Not to dismiss Goodwill or anything, but was that supposed to be impressive?
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Because usually art is expensive, and the reason why you brag about your art is because it's pricey.
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Okay.
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I decided to take a sip of the whiskey to be polite.
00:08:30
Speaker
Oh, no!
00:08:31
Speaker
Oh, my God!
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Speaker
Yes!
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I'm upset because I'm like, oh, it's so dangerous.
00:08:36
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Like this guy, he's got all the signs of being a creep, right?
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Like every single one.
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And then you drink whiskey at his house and you don't know what he put in that bottle before you got there.
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Speaker
Oh my God.
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Speaker
Oh my gosh.
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Oh, my heart.
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My heart can't take it, love.
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She says, I decided to take a sip of the whiskey to be polite, but it was too somehow warm despite being in his fridge.
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Maybe because he was busy roofing it.
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And I couldn't manage more than one sip.
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Eventually, I convinced him that we're going to miss the sunset and we head out to the restaurant to pick up dinner.
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Speaker
Oh, my God.
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Speaker
Oh, thank God.
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Once at the restaurant, we put in our orders and as the waitress is turning around to tell the kitchen, he yells out that he wants separate checks.
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That's a douchebag.
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It was though time slowed down for a moment and the waitress locked eyes with me, silently asked me why and I had no answer except that I was still a pick me.
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Though he wants to wait outside in the sweltering heat, I put my foot down and we wait inside.
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While waiting, he talks about how much he loves to travel and where he wants to go next.
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I tell him about the places I visited and he expresses some interest in going there.
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I say something to the effect of, well, you probably have to wait for a few months at least.
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And he asks why.
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I'm a bit confused at the question, but I carefully note that we're at the cusp of a historic pandemic and he shrugs it off saying that he doesn't believe it's really that bad and that the media is exaggerating.
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I start citing statistics, but stop short at mentioning my own patients who passed away in front of me because it feels like a conversation that I no longer want to have with him.
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Out of everything, that was the moment where I decided I'd never see him again.
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Speaker
But somehow I still felt compelled to go through with dinner.
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Speaker
And at this point, it was almost out of morbid curiosity than anything else.
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Speaker
Let me take a deep breath.
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Speaker
And fuck this guy.
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Speaker
Fuck the horse he rode in on.
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Fuck his sweltering ass hat apartment.
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Fuck his goodwill paintings.
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Fuck his hot ass whiskey.
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Fuck his like, well, five flights of stairs.
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Speaker
Fuck his rickety ass stairs.
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Speaker
All right.
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Speaker
One more.
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So we speed walk to the park, each carrying our own plastic bag of food.
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I thought at the very least we'd be sitting on a picnic bench, but no, he settles down cross-legged on the rain soaked grass stating that it had been a few hours and was dry.
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Now, mind you, I'm wearing a white dress, but at this point I was committed.
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Speaker
So I hunted around for a dry enough spot and settled down.
00:10:52
Speaker
No, no,
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Speaker
It's okay.
00:10:55
Speaker
You know what?
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Because, like, this scene is like... See, here's what happens if you sit down on wet grass is it'll, like, soak through.
00:11:01
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It'll make you look like you shit your pants if you're wearing a white dress.
00:11:04
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Like, ask me how I know.
00:11:05
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So inconsiderate of him.
00:11:07
Speaker
What a scrote.
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Speaker
Anyway, continue.
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Speaker
This picnic was spent with me stuffing myself at dinner as quickly as possible while he waxed poetic about the way the light reflected off the buildings across the water.
00:11:18
Speaker
Oh, this guy is so full of shit.
00:11:20
Speaker
This is so bad.
00:11:21
Speaker
He's like, he's trying to like set the mood like this loser.
00:11:24
Speaker
Okay.
00:11:25
Speaker
I had taken a few architecture classes in college.
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So I remarked here and there about, I remarked here and there about the styles of the buildings he was pointing out, but this very obviously annoyed him and he ignored my input completely.
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because you're messing up his monologue he has a whole like this is his whole spiel he practiced this shit it's supposed to seduce you he sounds like a narcissist and he's just annoyed that she's not following the script yeah yes yes narcissist 100 100 uh eventually i was left longingly staring at the cute guy playing soccer with a few of the children at the park while my date amused himself with the sound of his own voice until i got a word in and headed home
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At the time, I was not a big proponent of blocking or ghosting because I thought it was mean.
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Speaker
I know better now.
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I thought he'd get the hint when I told him I was busy the first time or the second time or the third or even the fourth.
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But eventually, I decided to break it to him kindly and let him know we weren't a good match.
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Speaker
He instantly started sending me a bunch of vile messages calling me a gold digger because he paid for an airplane shot of JT.
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Okay.
00:12:24
Speaker
Oh, God.
00:12:25
Speaker
Okay.
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Speaker
I was actually a bit relieved at this and let him know exactly what I thought of him as well before blocking him forever.
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Speaker
Luckily, I didn't lose anything more than an afternoon, but I certainly learned my lesson.
00:12:35
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Sorry for the long story.
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Speaker
I really didn't know how to cut it down.
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And thank you, ladies, for everything you do.
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Speaker
I know I speak for more than myself.
00:12:41
Speaker
When I say you're literally lifestayers, I was dumb as hell.
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Speaker
Don't be me.
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Speaker
It's okay.
00:12:45
Speaker
I feel like this makes me want to tell a bunch of stories about my really bad dates because, oh man, do I ever have?
00:12:51
Speaker
Yeah, we've all had.
00:12:52
Speaker
We've had things like this.
00:12:53
Speaker
So this really took place over one afternoon.
00:12:56
Speaker
I felt like it was like multiple dates with the amount of bullshit.
00:13:00
Speaker
That's a lot of bollocks to cram in one day.
00:13:03
Speaker
He took it to so many locations.
00:13:05
Speaker
Yeah.
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Speaker
Without paying for shit.
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Speaker
And like none of them were good.
00:13:10
Speaker
gosh sis wow so he speed walked down the boardwalk and then he took her to his place to have a sip of warm warm whiskey but no first he takes her to the w hotel and then doesn't take her to the w hotel tells him her to meet her him there so they can take her somewhere else to his like ratchet ass apartment
00:13:30
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That is like peak, like, scrote audacity.
00:13:33
Speaker
It's like, yeah, meet me at this hotel and then not actually take her to the hotel.
00:13:36
Speaker
Right?
00:13:37
Speaker
That's like, that's like the ultimate example of like a guy who's poor, but who wants to seem like he's rich.
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah, and the whole thing that was crazy to me was like what he paid for...
00:13:45
Speaker
he didn't even pay for her dinner and he's already talking about gold diggers.
00:13:48
Speaker
Excuse me.
00:13:49
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It's like he like purposely.
00:13:51
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So this is one of those guys that's like pathologically cheap.
00:13:54
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He might not even really be broke, but the fact that he was bragging about his goodwill stuff is like, he's trying to test her boundaries to see like, if she's going to freak out because it's not expensive.
00:14:03
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You know, it's like he's the whole time he's testing your boundaries, testing your boundaries around, like trying to make her feel like, you know, bad for asking for basic courtesy.
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Oh my God.
00:14:17
Speaker
Probably gets his mom to shave his head or whatever because he's too broke to go to an actual barber, like stuff like that.
00:14:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:14:23
Speaker
And you just know he has like that weird five o'clock shadow beard that doesn't completely grow in all the way.
00:14:28
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But like his face is all red all the time because all he does is have Jack Daniels in his house.
00:14:32
Speaker
Because if he doesn't have water, this is a guy who subsists on Jack Daniels.
00:14:35
Speaker
Yeah, he doesn't have water, but he has freaking Jack Daniels.
00:14:38
Speaker
Like, oh my god.
00:14:39
Speaker
That's so predatory, though.
00:14:41
Speaker
Like, just having alcohol in your house just to offer your guests, especially female guests.
00:14:45
Speaker
So predatory.
00:14:46
Speaker
I almost had a date like that once, where I was going to meet a guy, and he just decided to, like...
00:14:52
Speaker
I guess he was shit testing me because he canceled last minute.
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And then I was like, it was literally like half an hour before the day.
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So I'm already made up and everything.
00:15:00
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And he's like, oh, I'm not feeling well.
00:15:01
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So how about you just come to my place instead and we can drink some whiskey.
00:15:05
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And I was like, hell no.
00:15:07
Speaker
Even when I was a pick me in my deepest, darkest pick me days, even that was like, no, no for me.
00:15:13
Speaker
And if he's not feeling well, why is he drinking alcohol?
00:15:15
Speaker
Right, yeah.
00:15:16
Speaker
I don't know what this guy is.
00:15:18
Speaker
No, he was just lazy.
00:15:19
Speaker
If I had gone to his place, I'm sure he would have been wearing sweatpants.
00:15:23
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He was probably just too lazy to get out of bed.
00:15:25
Speaker
The smell of bullshit, in Canada, I can smell it from here, in England.
00:15:29
Speaker
That is complete bollocks.
00:15:31
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Yeah, the wafting waves of bullshit.
00:15:35
Speaker
The wafting of bullshit.
00:15:37
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Just rocking you back and forth in your chair.
00:15:41
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Yeah, so this guy, I've decided his name is... I'd say J.D.
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Scroat.
00:15:46
Speaker
J.D.
00:15:46
Speaker
Scroat.
00:15:47
Speaker
Whiskey... Whiskey Dick?
00:15:52
Speaker
Whiskey Dick, yes, let's go with that one.
00:15:54
Speaker
Let's just call him Whiskey Dick, because he is a dick.
00:15:57
Speaker
He is an asshole.
00:16:00
Speaker
So he's whiskey dick.
00:16:01
Speaker
Cool.
00:16:01
Speaker
Yeah, he's an asshole.
00:16:03
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And he's emanating that smooth dick energy as well.
00:16:06
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Cheap ass bottom barrel, like low shelf house whiskey dick.
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The fact that he got annoyed whenever she spoke.
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I've noticed that with some guys where it's like they literally just fucking hate women and they hate when women speak.
00:16:18
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But they still have to like they force themselves to go through the motions of what they think they have to do in order to get sex.
00:16:24
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So, yeah, fuck that guy.
00:16:25
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I hate him.
Impact of Feminism on Relationships
00:16:26
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Anyways.
00:16:26
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Yeah, so fuck this guy with a rusty wire.
00:16:30
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I hope he drops that bottle of whiskey and cuts his feet on it.
00:16:33
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I hope he trips down those fucking rickety-ass stairs one day.
00:16:36
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I hope the next time he tries to speed walk in front of a woman, he trips over a manhole and falls in.
00:16:44
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All right.
00:16:44
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Thank you, Amrita, for this story.
00:16:46
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That's our first roast to scrote.
00:16:47
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Yeah.
00:16:48
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00:17:12
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Yay.
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Yay.
00:17:13
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All right.
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That's all I want to do.
00:17:15
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Okay.
00:17:16
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So let's transition to our main topic for today.
00:17:20
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There's just so much in our culture that's happened in the past 10, 20, 30 years or so that I think is contributing to a lot of our dating problems.
00:17:27
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So we're going to dissect that today.
00:17:30
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And I think we're pointing the finger to porn, red pill, video games, boomer relationship dynamics, the superwoman, you know, the archetypal superwoman.
00:17:43
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Yeah, there's been a lot of talk on the subreddit about have men always been low value?
00:17:47
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Have men always been trash?
00:17:49
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Or are they just recently trash?
00:17:50
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In fact, you see the same conversation about this sort of crisis of masculinity that we're seeing.
00:17:54
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You see that same conversation happening in the manosphere.
00:17:57
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And they tend to blame feminism because
00:17:59
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Because a lot of these negative qualities that men are showing nowadays started to pop up around the time that feminism started to happen.
00:18:05
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So obviously, you know, feminism is an easy scapegoat and we should all put women back in the kitchen and problem solved, right?
00:18:10
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Wrong.
00:18:14
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It's not just because of feminism.
00:18:16
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They tend to blame feminism for things that are caused by global economic factors, things like jobs, right?
00:18:23
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Like they'll say, oh, it's because feminists flooded the workforce.
00:18:26
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And that's why men aren't getting paid that much nowadays, which is not true.
00:18:30
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It's mostly because of automation and because of jobs being shipped overseas.
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That's mostly the reason why wages have stagnated.
00:18:36
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Well, they, I don't know.
00:18:38
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In the United States, our 40-hour workweek standard was based on the man working outside the home and the woman staying home.
00:18:46
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So now with two times the workforce than it used to be when the labor laws are put into place, arguably what happened was a lot of men who...
00:18:55
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Otherwise, I would have had a woman at home doing like all the domestic labor.
00:18:58
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Most women work now, and so they're less willing to do those things.
00:19:01
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So they look at it as if like, oh, feminism is ruining women now because they're not as domestic as women of years past.
00:19:08
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But the understanding was that women of years past would spend most of their time in the home with a single male earner, which is not the case anymore.
00:19:16
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I reject this.
00:19:18
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I guess if you call it a thesis, that feminism is the cause of all of the world's woes, because women in this system of one man earning an income, it didn't work out for a lot of women.
00:19:29
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A lot of women ended up financially dependent and, you know, were abused or couldn't escape their abuser.
00:19:35
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And if you were lucky enough to marry a good man, then, you know, that could work out for you.
00:19:38
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But if you were unlucky, then you had no recourse.
00:19:42
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Yeah, or they just had interests other than washing their husband's drawers for 40 years.
00:19:47
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You know what I'm saying?
00:19:48
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Like, that's the other subtext of this is that for a lot of women, although they might love their children, they have other talents and skills that they want to utilize in the world.
00:19:58
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And I think that's a very human thing that a lot of women were robbed of because of the idea that you were always supposed to focus on being a domestic servant to your husband first.
00:20:07
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Yeah.
00:20:08
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It's ludicrous, and I feel like they should have been focusing on the ills of capitalism rather than saying the solution is that women go back to being domestic servants when so many of us clearly don't want to do that.
00:20:21
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Or we're not able to do that because it's predicated on...
00:20:26
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one man providing enough money to support an entire family, which is just increasingly only available to the uber rich.
00:20:34
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So people who are making over $300,000 a year.
00:20:38
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Yeah.
00:20:39
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The solution is not to send women back to the kitchen, boys.
00:20:42
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We ain't going.
00:20:43
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Sorry, the red pill.
00:20:44
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We're not going back in the kitchen.
00:20:46
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Like, that ship has sailed.
00:20:47
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You're gonna have to drag somebody back there.
00:20:49
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Yeah.
00:20:50
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So, my interpretation of this, like, oh, feminism ruined relationships or feminism ruined dating or whatever, it's not that feminism ruined it.
00:21:00
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It's just that men have refused to adapt to the reality of feminism.
00:21:04
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Yeah.
00:21:05
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Men love to blame feminism for ruining society when in fact, it's just because men don't want to do chores.
00:21:10
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That's it.
00:21:11
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Literally all of Western society collapsing because men don't want to do the fucking dishes.
00:21:17
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One of the biggest causes for why men are low value nowadays is because of what I call boomer relationship dynamics, where you have a man and a woman, they both work.
00:21:26
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The boomer generation was the first generation where women were out in the workforce, like maximizing their potential in full force.
00:21:32
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And then you got the whole like, oh, ladies, you can have it all.
00:21:35
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Working full time and cooking and cleaning.
00:21:38
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Yeah, superwoman, basically.
00:21:40
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The career mom, wonder woman, you know, immune to sleep deprivation, only sleeps three hours a night working 18 hour days every single day.
00:21:47
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And fuck that.
00:21:48
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Like, I feel like so many kids growing up watching that dynamic, like men...
00:21:54
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of our generation, millennial generation, watch that and they go, oh, like as a man, all I have to do is work and that's it.
00:22:00
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And I don't have to contribute to the house.
00:22:02
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And then as a woman, you know, growing up in that dynamic, you look at that and you think, oh, like I have to do everything.
00:22:07
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I have to manage my time like perfectly.
00:22:09
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I have to cook and clean and work and do everything.
00:22:12
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And so that's how you end up with the low value man, pick Misha dynamic.
00:22:15
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And I was even seeing on Twitter, because that's not just within the parents, sometimes that's within the sibling dynamic as well.
00:22:22
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So a lot of times the eldest daughter takes on that role in the family towards the other siblings.
00:22:28
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Parentified, yeah.
00:22:30
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Right.
00:22:30
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Very, very parentified.
00:22:32
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It's not entirely clear to me how that became the preferred method for women to operate in order to prove they were feminist or progressive or capable.
00:22:42
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It almost seems like men just negged them to death about how they weren't able to do anything and that women were worthless and useless.
00:22:49
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And so their response was to become superwomen to prove that they could do it all.
00:22:55
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But like they're proving it to like guys who were low value scrotes to begin with.
00:22:58
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So then they almost just got manipulated or tricked into taking on way more of the burden than they needed to in order to gain what they thought was going or in order to do something they thought would gain them respect.
00:23:10
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That's exactly it.
00:23:11
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Like, women would do this because they thought that it would earn respect in men's eyes.
00:23:17
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And if anything, it's been the opposite.
00:23:19
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Like, men actually seem to respect women even less when we can do it all.
00:23:23
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It's almost like the role of the woman has evolved or is the role of the man has regressed.
00:23:29
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Because even in some circles, even if you say you want a guy with a decent job, you're now a gold digger.
00:23:36
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That's how much we've regressed.
00:23:38
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in this relationship dynamic that even wanting a guy with a job now is enough to get you.
00:23:43
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I think, was it Gwen Guthrie wrote that song?
00:23:45
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Ain't Nothing Going On But The Rent, one of my favourite songs.
00:23:50
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And when it came out in the, I think, in the late 80s, she was lambasted and called materialistic because she wanted to date a guy who had a job.
00:23:59
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Yeah, we get called classist on FDS all the time because we want to date a guy who's not unemployed because that makes us elitists, apparently.
00:24:08
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I just question exactly what they expect women to do in that situation.
00:24:12
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It just seems like, again, they want us to do the free emotional labor of building these guys up.
00:24:18
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And the question is why.
00:24:19
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It's not generally something that's reciprocal.
00:24:22
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They don't have the tool set, and I don't think...
00:24:25
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Most of them were socialized to have the tool set and they don't even know where to begin.
00:24:30
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So it's really unfair to expect women to keep extending ourselves in this area when it's become clear that we did not create a culture in which men could meet value with value and kind.
00:24:42
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Even when women do extend themselves, you end up with situations where the woman's like, quote unquote, nagging, aka she asked him to do something and he just doesn't.
00:24:50
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And so she has the option of either just, I guess, shutting up and never asking him for anything or just like asking him again.
00:24:57
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And it's, I feel like when men listen to women, it's like they don't even hear the words coming out of our mouths.
00:25:02
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It's just like the Charlie Brown voice, like, mama.
00:25:04
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Like, that's how men think women talk.
00:25:07
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They just think, oh, I don't have to listen to this.
00:25:09
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Yeah, that's passive aggressive avoidance of the issue.
00:25:13
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Oh, God, that just makes the hairs in the back of my neck stand up because I'm so angry because I've had that in a relationship.
00:25:21
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Yeah.
00:25:21
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And so it's really just like men's failure to step up.
00:25:24
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And if anything, like they see the fact that women have started to work and they think that they can put in even less effort.
00:25:30
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Like guys nowadays, they want a woman who will do 50-50 on the bills and do all the cooking and cleaning for them.
00:25:35
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They want that gravy train that they saw their dad grow up.
00:25:39
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with, right?
00:25:40
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Even more so, because now, I mean, with the influence of porn, you know, with our parents' generation, porn was probably, you know, rather tame in comparison to what it is now, at least in the mainstream variety.
Critique of Pornography's Influence
00:25:51
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And now, and even back then, there wasn't an expectation that your wife would have to perform like a porn star.
00:25:58
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But now, you know, that's an expectation that a lot of men have going into relationships that, you know, female sexuality works...
00:26:06
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how porn works and that the kind of dirty, degrading, abusive stuff that men would typically, you know, go into a theater in the bad side of town and hide and watch and know that it wasn't appropriate to treat women that way.
00:26:23
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Now it's just sort of an expectation that women tolerate that, even if you're just like, this is completely unenjoyable for me in every single way.
00:26:29
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Oh man, there's so much I could say about porn and how it's ruined relationships.
00:26:34
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I think that's probably the single most destructive thing that's happened to relationships in the past 20 years.
00:26:40
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And it's just, yeah, you're right.
00:26:41
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And it's also the rise of things like kink shaming, where if you question someone's fetish or what they're into, you know, you're the one with the problem.
00:26:51
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It's, you know, nothing to do with them.
00:26:52
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It's entirely your problem.
00:26:54
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Stuff like that.
00:26:56
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Yeah.
00:26:56
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And like, you know, it's wild whenever I talk to men about porn, either online or even in real life.
00:27:02
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If I say something along the lines of like, I feel like porn makes men see women as objects and makes men want to treat women in a degrading way.
00:27:11
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And, you know, it makes me feel bad when my boyfriend watches porn or whatever.
00:27:16
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There's always guys who are like, well, I don't think it affects me.
00:27:18
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Yeah.
00:27:18
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Yeah.
00:27:19
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Right?
00:27:20
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Like, there's countless women out there just screaming from the rooftops talking about how porn has ruined relationships.
00:27:26
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And then men are out there just being like, well, I don't think it's a problem.
00:27:30
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Everything's fine.
00:27:32
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Yeah.
00:27:32
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Like, just because you personally are not being harmed by this problem doesn't mean it's not a problem.
00:27:39
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And they fail to experience intimacy as well.
00:27:42
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But when you've grown up, I mean, you know, exposure to porn now is getting younger and younger.
00:27:47
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People are now being exposed to porn from the ages of 8, 10, 12, you know, really, really young.
00:27:54
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You don't...
00:27:55
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you don't realise just how warped it makes your view of sex.
00:27:58
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So things like intimacy and, you know, emotional connection, all those things are just completely lost on these men if they grow up watching porn, completely lost on them.
00:28:11
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Because they literally don't see women as humans.
00:28:13
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And they'll argue with this, but you're like, I totally see women as humans.
00:28:16
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It almost doesn't matter if a man disagrees.
00:28:18
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The fact that women are out there saying that this is how they make them feel, that makes it, that makes it real, right?
00:28:23
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I mean, and some of it is just, it's the creepy Coomer energy that's
00:28:27
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sometimes hard to describe, right?
00:28:28
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You can feel when a man is so deep in his porn consumerism that the way that he reacts to you feels creepy.
00:28:37
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It feels like he's looking at you like a sexual object, like a piece of meat that every interaction with you has some kind of hidden sexual agenda.
00:28:46
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And we call these guys creeps and they don't really understand like women are just calling guys creeps because they're just ugly.
00:28:53
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And I'm like, no, it's because you have creepy ass
00:28:56
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And I don't really know how to explain to them that even if we don't know you're watching porn, we know through your behavior.
00:29:03
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We can feel, observe, and like, we can feel and observe your behavior in a tangible way that's very difficult for men to grasp.
00:29:13
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Yeah.
00:29:13
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You know how people used to say that if you masturbated too much, you'd grow hairy palms?
00:29:17
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You remember that?
00:29:18
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Yeah.
00:29:19
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So obviously that's a myth, right?
00:29:20
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You don't literally grow hairy palms when you masturbate.
00:29:23
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But I feel like that's one of those things that they would tell men so that they would know that like, oh, if you masturbate too much or watch a bunch of porn, like...
00:29:31
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it's going to come through in your energy and people will know, right?
00:29:34
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And people will judge you.
00:29:35
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Yeah, exactly.
00:29:36
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So I just want all the men out there who watch porn every day, I just want you to know that every single woman around you knows and it's creepy.
00:29:44
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Yeah.
00:29:46
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They look at you weird, the way they can't always look you fully in the eye.
00:29:50
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It's just so weirdly sexual for no reason.
00:29:53
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Yeah.
00:29:54
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All the time.
00:29:55
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And the way they're so like quick to bring up sex as well.
00:29:59
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It's like, yeah, it's just so weird.
00:30:01
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Yeah.
00:30:01
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I haven't liked that with dating apps, especially because they'll literally write why you fit their physical qualifications and it will just sound like their search results in Pornhub, right?
00:30:11
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A lot of times the way that they come on to women is very much how they would objectify a woman in porn.
00:30:16
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You fit my porn category.
00:30:18
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You fit my porn preferences.
00:30:20
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And that's why I like you.
00:30:21
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That's not a compliment, okay?
00:30:22
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And especially women of color as well on dating.
00:30:25
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I mean, this could be a whole other episode.
00:30:27
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We get that a lot, a lot.
00:30:29
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Like, you know, one of the first things guys will say to me is, oh, I've never been with a black chick before.
00:30:33
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I'm just like, okay.
00:30:36
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I don't really know what to say to that because it's like you're instantly fetishized straight away.
00:30:41
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You know what's wild is like porn people, like people who are pro-porn will say like... People of the porn...
00:30:48
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I'm just going to call them porn people like men and women who love porn.
00:30:51
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They will say things like they'll they try to argue that porn is progressive because it doesn't discriminate like racially like there are black women in porn.
00:31:00
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There are Asian women in porn.
00:31:01
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There are Latinas in porn.
00:31:02
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And I'm like, have you seen these fucking titles?
00:31:04
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Spicy Latino, submissive Asian woman.
00:31:07
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That's not fucking progressive.
00:31:08
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I just feel like there's this massive disconnect from what porn is to what the mainstream media says it is.
00:31:16
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But a lot of times when they're talking about porn, they have this sort of tongue-in-cheek, cutesy attitude about it.
00:31:21
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It's almost like they stopped watching porn in the 1970s, right?
00:31:25
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I'm like, have you seen what porn is today?
00:31:28
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There's nothing cute about this.
00:31:29
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There's nothing funny about this.
00:31:30
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Porn today is very, very explicitly abusive and incestuous and...
00:31:36
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pedophilic in a lot of ways and obviously racist.
00:31:39
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So when they're talking about porn as a genre, they seem to kind of, it seems like they're focusing on the very, very vanilla stuff of years past and have no idea what
00:31:51
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all of the trash that's out there today that is popular.
00:31:55
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This isn't like this stuff is relegated to the corners of the internet and that it's like a special niche thing.
00:32:02
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It's literally if you go to Pornhub or Xvideos and you look by the most popular videos, chances are they are really, really problematic for the reasons I mentioned before.
00:32:13
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Men will straight up lie to your face and be like, most men don't watch abusive porn.
00:32:18
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Oh my gosh.
00:32:20
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It's such a ridiculous statement because either you don't think it's abusive to like slap women or like choke women or come on their face or whatever.
00:32:28
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Either you look at that and think that's totally fine and not abusive at all.
00:32:31
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Or you're just lying.
00:32:32
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Like you know that those things are abusive and you're just straight up lying because what you see in most porn, stuff that's like industry standard in most porn is degrading.
00:32:41
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They have to trick these women into doing this.
00:32:43
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And that's been, there's been several porn stars who've come out and said that in addition to stuff like Girls Do Porn that got sued by women who were coerced or tricked into doing things under the guise that they were only going to do one thing and then they get on the set and they do something else.
00:32:59
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So they don't even get consent from
00:33:02
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you know, beforehand for a lot of these things.
00:33:04
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And then they force these women to, they force these women to consent later by saying, oh, if you don't consent, you don't get paid.
00:33:09
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You have to sign off on this release form.
00:33:11
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But then they don't know.
00:33:13
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I think one woman was talking about how in a porn video, she got picked up and her head got put in a toilet.
00:33:18
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She didn't know they were going to do that.
00:33:19
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They do stuff like that to these women who are young, don't understand their boundaries, and then say, if you don't agree to this, we're not going to pay you, right?
00:33:30
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And they already have control over the image.
00:33:32
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So...
00:33:33
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There's just anything goes.
00:33:35
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And even a lot of the seasoned porn stars, I think even Lisa Ann, she's a pretty famous porn star in the MILF genre.
00:33:43
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She said that a lot of porn stars of her generation want to get out specifically because of how violent people are.
00:33:49
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porn has gotten, like just in the course of the last 10 to 15 years.
00:33:53
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So even like the vets, the ones that started earlier who are still working, they're just saying it's just untenable to be subjected to that kind of violence all the time.
00:34:03
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So they keep trying to find younger and younger girls to do these things and then spring it on them and then force them to sign these release forms.
00:34:10
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And the actresses didn't even know they were going to do that.
00:34:12
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Like they do that when they do those racist scenes as well.
00:34:15
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There's been several black actresses and Asian actresses who have come out and said, I thought I was doing a regular shoot and I show up and there's a guy with like a Confederate flag in the background.
00:34:24
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Right.
00:34:25
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And I didn't know.
00:34:26
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It's stuff like that where they don't tell these girls that's what's going on so that they can force them into doing these things.
00:34:32
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I think it's very, very alarming that when you talk to guys about this, is they don't even seem to recognize that these violent sex acts, they don't even see them as violent.
00:34:43
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They don't even see it as abusive.
00:34:44
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They just think that that's normal.
00:34:46
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They don't see anything wrong with randomly choking out your Tinder date.
00:34:50
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And, you know, people love to say, if it's, especially I've heard, you know, men say in
00:34:54
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In my DMs when I've written about the woes of porn, they say, well, if it's between two consenting adults, what's the problem?
00:35:03
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And, you know, first of all, consent, we've spoken about consent before on the podcast.
00:35:07
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But I think in that scenario, when a guy is horny and he's looking for a video to be off to, is he really fucked about consent?
00:35:15
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Has he really...
00:35:16
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you know, Googled the actress to see if she's actually consented.
00:35:20
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No, he hasn't.
00:35:20
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He just, you know, selects a video, watches it, closes it.
00:35:23
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He doesn't give a shit if the actress in the video has consented or not, so long as he gets, you know, what he's looking for, which is an orgasm.
00:35:31
Speaker
So that is how they use consent in a very, very dishonest way.
00:35:37
Speaker
to make out like they're very pro-consent when actually they don't care about it at all.
00:35:42
Speaker
Because they don't check if the, and especially a lot of amateur porn, which is what a lot of men enjoy, there is a real, real risk of revenge porn in amateur porn or women being filmed without their knowledge and it being uploaded as amateur porn.
00:35:57
Speaker
There's a lot of that on the internet, but they don't care about that.
00:36:00
Speaker
There's no such thing as fair trade porn, right?
00:36:03
Speaker
It's not like fair trade chocolate or anything.
00:36:06
Speaker
And it's just like when women or people try to say, oh, there's feminist porn, it's just like if you have to put the word feminist in front of porn, then it's inherently anti-feminist, then surely.
00:36:18
Speaker
True.
00:36:18
Speaker
That's a great point.
Liberal Feminism and Biological Differences
00:36:20
Speaker
Because if it was empowering and feminist, you wouldn't need to tack on, well, this is feminist porn, which is really niche.
00:36:26
Speaker
It would just be porn, right?
00:36:28
Speaker
If it was feminist.
00:36:29
Speaker
Right.
00:36:30
Speaker
Exactly.
00:36:31
Speaker
With the so-called feminist porn that is meant to be for women, we never see a really hot guy or two really hot men just pleasuring the woman.
00:36:39
Speaker
That still never happens.
00:36:40
Speaker
Preach.
00:36:41
Speaker
That still never happens.
00:36:43
Speaker
Let's talk about Polycule Fight Club.
00:36:45
Speaker
Okay.
00:36:45
Speaker
I've been dying to talk about this on the podcast.
00:36:51
Speaker
Go for it.
00:36:52
Speaker
Okay, okay.
00:36:52
Speaker
So those of you listening who, you know, I challenge you to make what I consider like truly feminist porn.
00:36:58
Speaker
Okay, so for those of you don't know, we have this one moderator called Jammies.
00:37:04
Speaker
She's like, practically like a Reddit celebrity.
00:37:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:07
Speaker
she had this one post saying um you know oh all you polyamorous people talking about uh you know multiple girlfriends and one guy the one penis policy or whatever here's what i want to see in polyamory i want to have like a group of guys who are all super fit and buff and then every night two of them fight to the death maybe not fight to the death but they fight to the death that's that's extreme but they fight fight with each other then she has sex with the winner oh my gosh that's what i consider empowering that's
00:37:37
Speaker
that's my kink okay don't kink shame me that's feminist porn i mean brad pitt in fight club i don't blame her yeah because i feel like that was partially my sexual awakening this is something that i've been wanting to talk about like it is hot when two guys are fighting yeah it's true
00:37:55
Speaker
Whoever wins, I'm like, nice.
00:37:58
Speaker
And the thing is, it's not even weird to say that.
00:38:00
Speaker
It's actually completely natural because in nature, males fight with each other all the time to impress females, okay?
00:38:07
Speaker
Like bighorn sheep, deer, like a lot of species will fight with each other to impress the female.
00:38:12
Speaker
That's what females are looking for in nature.
00:38:15
Speaker
And so if I were to say, you know, oh, my kink is seeing two guys fight with each other, then I fuck the winner.
00:38:21
Speaker
People probably look at me like I'm a psychopath.
00:38:24
Speaker
But that's how females experience sexuality, or a lot of females experience sexuality.
00:38:30
Speaker
I love NBA fights.
00:38:31
Speaker
Is that basketball fights with, like, the super tall men?
00:38:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:38:35
Speaker
National Basketball Association.
00:38:36
Speaker
Oh, yes.
00:38:37
Speaker
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:38:38
Speaker
Tall men.
00:38:39
Speaker
Yes, please.
00:38:39
Speaker
Yeah, I love hockey fights, okay?
00:38:41
Speaker
Like, so...
00:38:44
Speaker
The best part of every fucking hockey game is when two guys just like, I guess they got beef and they throw the gloves off, they throw the helmets off and they just start throwing punches and stuff.
00:38:52
Speaker
Like the NHL has cracked down on that recently.
00:38:55
Speaker
And I really don't like that.
00:38:56
Speaker
I actually think they should be going for more fights.
00:38:59
Speaker
Um,
00:39:00
Speaker
But I think that is fucking sexy when two guys are fighting and then whoever wins, I'm like, okay, he's a genetically superior male and I find that sexually attractive.
00:39:09
Speaker
But that's a totally unacceptable thing to say.
00:39:13
Speaker
Meanwhile, there are tons of guys out there who talk about like, oh, I want to see two girls like oil wrestling or like mud fighting or whatever.
00:39:19
Speaker
This is a thing.
00:39:19
Speaker
True.
00:39:20
Speaker
Yeah, like it's totally normal to want to see two girls fighting.
00:39:23
Speaker
Apparently that's a cat fight.
00:39:26
Speaker
A kink that some men have.
00:39:27
Speaker
The cat fight, yeah.
00:39:28
Speaker
You know what?
00:39:29
Speaker
I...
00:39:30
Speaker
I want this.
00:39:31
Speaker
I want Polycule Fight Club to be the thing.
00:39:34
Speaker
We should bring back the old Olympic, the old ancient Greek Olympic style where they would be butt naked and all greased up and then they would do the games that way.
00:39:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:39:44
Speaker
Turkish oil wrestling.
00:39:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's...
00:39:48
Speaker
that's a real sport i'm down to see it no okay i have a rant about soccer okay all the soccer fans out there are gonna hate me but i think soccer is a sport for fucking pussies and and and for the europeans by the way soccer is football soccer
00:40:08
Speaker
I guess it was my turn to get dunked on.
00:40:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, what I literally, okay, I cannot sit through a soccer game and how these grown ass men will like slightly bump into the other and the other one like takes a dive.
00:40:20
Speaker
And just like the fact that they will actually try to get like, I don't know, like they'll try to get the other guy to get a penalty or something like that.
00:40:28
Speaker
I just think that's so pathetic and stupid.
00:40:30
Speaker
Ronaldo is good at that.
00:40:32
Speaker
Like, I can't think of anything more unmasculine or unsexy than a guy that takes a dive after getting flicked in the ear or something.
00:40:39
Speaker
They call it flopping in the NBA.
00:40:41
Speaker
But yeah, that's been kind of... Whenever they start to raise or make it an advantage, if you foul someone or a foul is just like, you know, hitting someone outside of the gameplay, then...
00:40:54
Speaker
people just literally will do the exact same thing as take a dive, just flop like an Oscar-winning actor on their bellies and on their back.
00:41:01
Speaker
And yeah, it is really... It's always frowned upon.
00:41:05
Speaker
It's really unattractive, and it just looks like they're cheating.
00:41:08
Speaker
Yeah, it does happen in hockey a little bit, but I would say that, if anything, the players... Some of them, they don't give a fuck.
00:41:16
Speaker
They will just fight a guy and know that they're going to get a penalty for it.
00:41:18
Speaker
They just take it on the chin.
00:41:20
Speaker
They just...
00:41:21
Speaker
They don't even care.
00:41:23
Speaker
But yeah, some players will take a dive, but I think it's very unattractive to take a dive like that.
00:41:29
Speaker
But that's just my personal opinion.
00:41:30
Speaker
Everyone's going to hate me now.
00:41:31
Speaker
Anyone in like Facker is going to hate me now, but I don't care.
00:41:34
Speaker
Sucker.
00:41:36
Speaker
But cycling back to the topic, I'm going to caveat what you said earlier about that feminism is not the problem.
00:41:47
Speaker
I think a strand of feminism is a massive part of the problem as to why relationship dynamics between men and women nowadays are in the toilet.
00:41:59
Speaker
And that strand of feminism is liberal feminism.
00:42:02
Speaker
The problem with liberal feminism is that, yes, they've made strides for equality in the law for men and women, but what they have either neglected or overlooked or whatever is the biological differences between men and women.
00:42:16
Speaker
You know, yes, you can go 50-50 on a date in theory, but you can't go 50-50 on, say, the maintenance it requires for a woman to look presentable.
00:42:26
Speaker
You can't go 50-50 on childbirth.
00:42:29
Speaker
You can't go 50-50 on instances of sexual assault.
00:42:33
Speaker
You know, when, you know, if a man... You also can't go 50-50 with someone who just doesn't give a shit.
00:42:40
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:42:41
Speaker
Like if the other guy doesn't want to even meet you at 50-50, you can't.
00:42:45
Speaker
You can't.
00:42:45
Speaker
There's no legislation that will make him do that.
00:42:48
Speaker
So and there are biological differences between men and women that will never be reconciled.
00:42:53
Speaker
Hence the reason why things like, for example, casual sex is a bigger problem for women than it is for men.
00:42:59
Speaker
Hence the reason why, you know, women, you know, some women's careers, they never recover after giving birth.
00:43:05
Speaker
Like men are not affected in the same way.
00:43:07
Speaker
If anything, men are actually seen as more reliable after they become a husband and a father, and a woman is seen as less reliable.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:43:16
Speaker
I was going to say, it's interesting, too, because the other thing about liberal feminism is they forget that there is a lot of women who work in pink-collar jobs, especially, and that's why a lot of, I think, working-class people end up being conservatives, because they feel completely ignored by this idea of, quote-unquote,
00:43:33
Speaker
equality.
00:43:34
Speaker
If you're a woman and you're a teacher or a nurse or a job that's traditionally got mostly women in it, do you feel oppressed at your job because you're a woman?
00:43:42
Speaker
Probably not.
00:43:43
Speaker
Maybe your boss is probably a woman.
00:43:44
Speaker
Most of your coworkers are women.
00:43:46
Speaker
They don't necessarily identify with equality.
00:43:49
Speaker
And their husbands might work
00:43:51
Speaker
Backbreaking blue collar work.
00:43:52
Speaker
They might work in carpentry or, you know, construction, something that premium that has a premium on men's physical strength.
00:43:59
Speaker
So trying to tell them so getting them to care whether or not, I don't know, Hillary Hillary Clinton, per se, gets to be president or any woman who works in a white collar job on a coastal city.
00:44:12
Speaker
is getting the corner office and that's quote unquote equality, it doesn't necessarily translate to women who don't work in those kinds of environments.
00:44:19
Speaker
And they're like, we need more tangible things I can see in my workplace and not just female faces in these, you know, gender neutral jobs per se.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:29
Speaker
But before we go ahead, because Savannah, you had more to say about liberal feminism.
00:44:33
Speaker
I just want to quickly define terms because a lot of people don't understand what we mean when we talk about liberal feminism versus a radical feminism.
00:44:42
Speaker
Just a brief sort of history of feminism.
00:44:44
Speaker
Basically, in the 60s, 70s and 80s, there was a sort of schism in the feminist movement between radical feminists and liberal feminists.
00:44:52
Speaker
Radical feminists believe in a massive restructuring of feminism.
00:44:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
whereas radical feminists are usually more on the Marxist kind of side.
00:45:20
Speaker
To be fair, liberal feminists in the 60s, 70s, 80s did achieve a lot.
00:45:26
Speaker
They were largely behind passing laws.
00:45:28
Speaker
To give them credit where it's due, liberal feminism hasn't always been this weird sex-posi, toxic nonsense that we see nowadays.
00:45:37
Speaker
It did do good in its early days, but nowadays liberal feminism is...
00:45:43
Speaker
liberal in the same way that neoliberalism is liberal or that libertarians are liberal because they take the concept of individual choice and freedom and they just take it way too far.
00:45:56
Speaker
It's like they only see...
00:45:59
Speaker
They see progress as women being treated closer to men rather than women prioritizing things that are in our best interest in balance with men, right?
00:46:11
Speaker
And I think that's a very different concept, right?
00:46:16
Speaker
And I think where they differ from radical feminism is radical feminism understands women as a sex class, meaning we are a class in a group of people that have specific needs that we should...
00:46:28
Speaker
But that was, you know, deemed too radical and you're trying to restructure society and they would call them feminazis, basically saying that women like that who think that women as a class should be accommodated in accordance to our needs as part of the human experience, given the fact that we are the majority of the population and we're responsible for creating all of the population should have that big.
00:46:51
Speaker
be front and center whenever we make decisions.
00:46:54
Speaker
But obviously, that's not necessarily compatible with capitalism, right?
00:46:57
Speaker
Because capitalism is always going to prioritize exploitable labor.
00:47:02
Speaker
So liberal feminism became more preferred in capitalist systems.
00:47:06
Speaker
And also just a quick word on branding, sorry, but people think radical equals bad extremists.
00:47:12
Speaker
Oh, you want to blow shit up.
00:47:13
Speaker
People think radical automatically means bad.
00:47:15
Speaker
Radical feminism is only referring to a restructuring of society.
00:47:19
Speaker
That's what we are referring to when we use that.
00:47:22
Speaker
Liberal feminism, you know, people think, oh, but liberalism is good.
00:47:26
Speaker
And yeah, like a lot of underlying principles of liberalism are good.
00:47:29
Speaker
Like the ideas of...
00:47:31
Speaker
anti-coercion and freedom and equality and all that stuff, those are all good ideas.
00:47:37
Speaker
What we're seeing nowadays is that it's taking it too far and it's failing to address some of the structural issues that are associated with patriarchy.
Exclusionary Nature of Feminism
00:47:45
Speaker
Here's the thing though, and here's something that liberal feminists fail to understand, is that feminism, by definition, is exclusionary.
00:47:54
Speaker
If everything is feminist, then nothing is feminist.
00:47:57
Speaker
It can't be this whole, if I choose to do it as a woman, then it's feminist.
00:48:03
Speaker
No, that's horseshit.
00:48:05
Speaker
That's not, you know, as a woman, you know, we can do things that are not in our best interests, either individually and as a class as well.
00:48:14
Speaker
You hear this male gaslighting about feminism.
00:48:17
Speaker
They'll be like, oh, FDS aren't real feminists because they don't believe in equality.
00:48:22
Speaker
They believe in female supremacy.
00:48:24
Speaker
And feminism is about equality, and therefore you're not a real feminist.
00:48:28
Speaker
And it's like, no, guess what?
00:48:29
Speaker
Feminism is for females, okay?
00:48:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:33
Speaker
It's not for men either.
00:48:35
Speaker
I think they actually did an experiment.
00:48:36
Speaker
This was in the UK and it was to do with racism.
00:48:41
Speaker
And essentially they had children of white colour pretend to be the oppressors in quotation marks for a day.
00:48:52
Speaker
And it turned out that the children of colour didn't treat the white children anywhere near as badly as the white oppressors in quotation marks had treated them.
00:49:03
Speaker
So even if, say, you know, there was a matriarchy, I still don't think women would treat men anywhere near as badly as they've treated us.
00:49:11
Speaker
Oh, 100%.
00:49:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:13
Speaker
A while back, there was a guy who developed a computer program to quote-unquote prove that FDS are female supremacists.
00:49:21
Speaker
Men tend to assume the worst.
00:49:22
Speaker
Like, they think that if women were in charge, that we're going to start treating men the way that they've been treating us, or the way that men wish that they could treat us.
00:49:30
Speaker
Because I get DMs on Reddit all the time from guys talking about how they want to put women in concentration camps and use women for, like, breeding farms and, like, forcibly impregnate us and stuff.
00:49:39
Speaker
Like, that's what guys fucking fantasize about.
00:49:41
Speaker
Right.
00:49:41
Speaker
when men fantasize about male supremacy.
00:49:44
Speaker
The one thing I've noticed with a lot of these weird male misogynist extremists is they are counting down the days till they have sex spots and artificial wombs, and then they'll have no use for women then.
00:49:57
Speaker
And I'm like, you know how much easier it would be to replicate sperm than it is to create an entire functioning womb system and then raise a child from infancy to 18 years old?
00:50:08
Speaker
We will have the technology to replace you before we will have the technology to replace women.
00:50:14
Speaker
Easily.
00:50:14
Speaker
And most men wouldn't be able to afford the technology anyway if it did exist.
00:50:20
Speaker
They'd be priced out of it.
00:50:21
Speaker
It kills me, though, that they assume that women won't do that before men develop the technology to get rid of us.
00:50:27
Speaker
And so they're banking on the fact that we don't treat them like they would treat us.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:30
Speaker
The other thing is that I find it funny that they think that we are afraid of that.
00:50:35
Speaker
Like, they'll say it with a smug sneer, like, ooh, we're going to replace you with, like, sex robots.
00:50:39
Speaker
Like, I don't have a problem with that.
00:50:43
Speaker
Like, I would love a world in which we could put, like, all of the shitty low-value men in a room with their fucking VR headsets and pocket pussies where they can go off and, like, masturbate all day and not shoot up malls and stuff like that.
00:50:53
Speaker
Like, I actually think that would be a better solution to male violence.
00:50:56
Speaker
Put them in their own room with their, uh...
00:50:58
Speaker
feeding tube like a little hamster.
Men's Lack of Constructive Hobbies
00:51:01
Speaker
But it's back to the original topic, which is why are men trash?
00:51:04
Speaker
We talked about... Sorry, Savannah, I don't think you finished your point.
00:51:07
Speaker
I'm sorry, I kept interrupting you.
00:51:09
Speaker
I apologise.
00:51:09
Speaker
But do you have anything more to say about... On liberal feminism, it's essentially lowered the barrier for men in terms of access to women, especially if women are now earning their own money, if we're now more independent.
00:51:24
Speaker
It's almost like women are bringing more to the table as...
00:51:28
Speaker
As I've briefly touched on before, the expectations of men have regressed.
00:51:34
Speaker
And so then we're at this stage where women are automatically bringing more, have more to offer in a relationship than your average man.
00:51:42
Speaker
They always lament that women today don't cook as much.
00:51:45
Speaker
And I'm like, first of all, most of us just don't have as much time.
00:51:48
Speaker
But when's the last time you saw a guy build a shelf from scratch or do any of the traditional...
00:51:53
Speaker
like qualities and hand craftsmanship that men used to be able to do that they no longer have time for either because we all have to slave away for capitalism.
00:52:02
Speaker
But I just think that it's funny that they highlight all the ways in which women have had to abandon more traditional culture.
00:52:08
Speaker
quote unquote women's activities in order to progress in a capitalist system versus they don't recognize the way that men have done that as well.
00:52:17
Speaker
Right.
00:52:17
Speaker
They, they're good at playing video games now.
00:52:20
Speaker
And, oh, we can, oh, we can go on that.
00:52:22
Speaker
I have so much.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:23
Speaker
We're going to go in, we're going to go fucking in on video games.
00:52:27
Speaker
But before we do that, I want to point out men don't have useful hobbies anymore.
00:52:30
Speaker
That's my other kink is men who have useful hobbies.
00:52:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:36
Speaker
Hell no.
00:52:37
Speaker
Like, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about things like, you know, woodworking or knowing how to fix a car or I don't know, just literally fucking anything other than video games.
00:52:46
Speaker
But most guys, video games, it's their only hobby is porn and video games.
00:52:50
Speaker
And what I have a problem with that is it's about consuming.
00:52:52
Speaker
It's very like passive.
00:52:54
Speaker
Things like woodworking or mechanics or whatever, these are, I consider these creative outlets.
00:52:58
Speaker
It's about creating something and building something, putting energy back into the world rather than taking energy out of the world.
00:53:06
Speaker
And so the sorts of hobbies that average men have nowadays, it's all about like, you know, extracting things from the world and not about giving back to the world at all.
00:53:14
Speaker
I mean, if they were programming video games, I feel like there would be more room for discussion.
00:53:18
Speaker
But most of these guys, I mean, like you said, they're just coomers and consumers.
00:53:22
Speaker
And I was reading about how video games give men a sense of accomplishment and a dopamine hit.
00:53:28
Speaker
And so a lot of times it's a way for men who are not good at other things to feel like they win.
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:36
Speaker
something.
00:53:36
Speaker
And there's a very select few that are good enough at it to monetize it and become, you know, like PewDiePie or something like that.
00:53:42
Speaker
So then it sort of justifies itself because they think, well, there's some guys out here who are very successful at video games.
00:53:48
Speaker
So you can't say it's bad because some guys can make an income off of it.
00:53:51
Speaker
But for most of them, they're not going to be able to do that.
00:53:53
Speaker
And then secondly, they are using it for the dopamine hit of a fake accomplishment rather than a real world tangible thing that they've added value to society.
00:54:03
Speaker
And I think that is kind of
00:54:06
Speaker
I just think that's a very dangerous loop for men to be in.
00:54:09
Speaker
It's become like the new SoundCloud rapper to me.
00:54:10
Speaker
When I see guys that are gamers, I'm like, oh, okay, so you don't have a job, right?
00:54:14
Speaker
And you don't provide anything useful.
00:54:16
Speaker
Like, yes, there will be some SoundCloud rappers that become successful, but the vast majority of them are just chasing a pipe dream.
00:54:24
Speaker
And I feel the same way about gamers.
00:54:26
Speaker
It's just like, it's a hobby, but you need to kind of, you know, unless you start picking up steam, especially by like your mid twenties,
00:54:33
Speaker
Maybe there's guys that make it into their 30s, you know, and start becoming successful at this.
00:54:37
Speaker
But it's like, this is a young man's game.
00:54:40
Speaker
If you're not, if you're not, you can't only focus on this and not build any other tangible skills that are going to make you marketable.
00:54:46
Speaker
Because by the time you hit 30 and you haven't made it,
00:54:49
Speaker
you're going to be out here, you know, being a mall shooter because you've wasted your time.
00:54:52
Speaker
Like the idea of being at successful at video games is such a ridiculous concept.
00:54:57
Speaker
It's like successful at watching cartoons or something.
00:55:00
Speaker
It's like, unless you're one of those like e-sport guys that's making a lot of money.
00:55:05
Speaker
They literally make millions though, the top ones.
00:55:08
Speaker
Yeah, so the very, very tiny percentage of men that are making a lot of money.
00:55:12
Speaker
Or, you know, I'll give credit where credit is due.
00:55:15
Speaker
I do think that to create a video game or other forms of digital art, I consider that a creative outlet.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's top level stuff, to be fair.
00:55:25
Speaker
They take years to develop.
00:55:27
Speaker
Exactly, yeah.
00:55:27
Speaker
So I think, like, mad respect to people who create video games, but for people out there who are largely unskilled and just play video games and don't really have much else going on for them in life.
00:55:39
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Yeah, and I also want to draw a line here, because a lot of
00:55:42
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our audience are women who also game, right?
00:55:44
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And so when we criticize video games, a lot of our own audience think that we're attacking them.
00:55:49
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And I just want to say like female gamers and male gamers are not the same at all.
00:55:54
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The women I know who game are usually well-rounded people with like other hobbies.
00:55:59
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They bathe, first of all.
00:56:00
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They know they're supposed to bathe every day.
00:56:02
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It's not their whole life.
00:56:04
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Yeah, it's not their whole life.
00:56:05
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Like the guys, gamer guys, like they even describe themselves as a gamer.
00:56:10
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Like that's their whole life.
00:56:11
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That's every, you know, their life is game.
00:56:13
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I get messages again on Reddit all the time being like, yo, what's your problem with video games?
00:56:17
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What's your problem with porn?
00:56:19
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It's just really unmasculine.
00:56:21
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Like these guys seem like such betas.
00:56:22
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Coomers and consumers.
00:56:24
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Yeah, like they're just so unmanly.
00:56:26
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Like they have the audacity, like all these fucking red pillars.
00:56:28
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Like they're so beta.
00:56:30
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They're so passive.
00:56:30
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I'm calling, I'm calling it.
00:56:31
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I'm calling it.
00:56:32
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I'm calling it coomerism and consumerism is what's killing men.
00:56:36
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It's like they're not creating anything of value.
00:56:38
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They can't even be present because they're so used to consumering everything in life, right?
00:56:43
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And having everything be readily available.
00:56:45
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And they have that weird creepy coomer stare because all they do is look at big anime titties and gaming titties.
00:56:51
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And then...
00:56:52
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They don't know how to interact with women or if they're always on the live interaction games and they have their own language and it's a lot of times very racist.
00:57:03
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The skills and social skills they develop within a video game culture doesn't necessarily translate outside into the real world.
00:57:11
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So again, if they don't make it as gamers, if all your humor is gamer-based and then you try to go work a job and talk to regular people, they're going to be like, bro, what are you talking about?
00:57:20
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Yeah.
00:57:21
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Like, it's a massive, like, I don't know.
00:57:24
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My point being that, like, I think men who game are usually obsessive and have nothing else going on for them in life.
00:57:31
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Women who game are usually just more well-rounded and seem to have other hobbies and they don't let it take over their life.
00:57:36
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And so for any ladies listening in who, you know, think we're judging them because you play video games, we're not.
00:57:42
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And for those of you who think it's a double standard, yes, it is a double standard because it's based on facts, okay?
00:57:46
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Yeah.
00:57:47
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Well, and women too, like women get dragged for not being like real gamers because they don't, they're not willing to sacrifice literally everything about their life to be successful at a video game.
00:57:56
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So that's why a lot of times women get perceived as fake gamers.
00:58:00
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And that's just because they don't, they're not willing to just sit in their own filth for days eating Cheetos to be good at something.
00:58:06
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Yeah.
00:58:06
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You're not as hardcore as me.
00:58:08
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And I nearly got like, like job fished by a gamer one time on online dating.
00:58:14
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Cause he was like, Oh, by the way, I'm self-employed.
00:58:18
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And I was thinking, Oh, cool.
00:58:19
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So like, what do you do?
00:58:21
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And he was like, I stream on Twitch.
00:58:25
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I mean, I know some people can make a lot of money playing games on Twitch, but this guy was working in Lidl, which is like the US equivalent of like the dollar store.
00:58:35
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So I was like,
00:58:37
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unmatched well it's a hobbyist versus a professional sports and right like there's guys i mean there's nothing wrong with playing basketball if you love basketball all the day but like you got to also build other skills because you got to put you got to feed yourself right if you know you're not going to make it you know you're not going to make it to the nba by the time you're like 15 now 15 16 and there's some there's some exceptions to that um like i think steph curry didn't even think he was going to get drafted but obviously he's one of the best players in the nba but like
00:59:01
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Now they're scouting the NBA and a lot of these sports professional sports leagues.
00:59:07
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They scout kids from the time they're in seventh and eighth grade.
00:59:10
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So it's just it's just a matter of these guys not understanding when it's you know, it's time to hang it up as a hobby or at least scale back as a hobby and build tangible skills if you just don't got the juice to do this professionally.
00:59:23
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Gamer culture is very misogynistic.
00:59:25
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I read actually, or actually I listened to this podcast and I guess, I don't know if I should plug it, but it's called Behind the Bastards.
00:59:31
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And the host, and I guess we'll link it.
00:59:33
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Maybe we can get a sponsorship
Origins of Red Pill Ideology
00:59:35
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from them.
00:59:35
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But the host made a direct connection from gamer culture to what then became red pill culture, which I think is the next topic we wanted to go on.
00:59:45
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Because gamers...
00:59:48
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A lot of these gamers, they were using like the old pickup seduction tips and then found out it wasn't working.
00:59:54
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And the earliest forms of online forums were for gamers.
00:59:58
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So that's where a lot of these misogynist ideas started to cultivate.
01:00:02
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And then the red pill was able to harness the power of these types of guys and give them a quote unquote system, not unlike a game to get women.
01:00:12
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So they were already groomed for the mindset that there was some kind of like
01:00:17
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you know, secret combination or code they could use to... Have cheat codes to unlock pussy.
01:00:23
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Yeah, cheat codes for women, seriously.
01:00:24
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And they were disillusioned with the old, like, you know, nice, quote unquote, seduction.
01:00:30
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And so then when they started developing these red pill ideologies, it was based on the idea that you could, you know, they have these catchphrases like, enjoy the decline, and it's amoral.
01:00:41
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And it was all about gaming...
01:00:43
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women, gaming women, hacking women so that they could be successful.
01:00:48
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Yeah, even the word, like, game is used in video games, but also like, oh, you know, he's got good game, you know, to refer to a guy who reels in a lot of women.
01:01:00
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They literally see relationships as a game.
01:01:03
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And, you know, there was that article that said, like, female dating strategy turns dating into a game.
01:01:08
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We're not the ones that turned it into a game.
01:01:10
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Yeah, like we weren't the ones that turned it into a game.
01:01:14
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Like we were presented with a whole generation of men who already see it as a game.
01:01:19
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And now we have to come up with counter strategies to respond to that.
01:01:23
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But yeah, the next thing that we wanted to talk about was how red pill culture has infiltrated like so much of modern dating culture to the point where I just don't
01:01:34
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Like, I just don't even see any possibility for a lot of these young men.
01:01:37
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They've just been totally indoctrinated to be, to literally, like, be abusers.
01:01:42
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Like, that is their objective, is to be in an abusive relationship where they're the abuser.
01:01:46
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So, this is what they say.
01:01:48
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And, you know, I don't recommend spending any time in the manosphere, but since we do this now is, like, our primary focus in life.
01:01:55
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I've spent enough time in the manosphere to kind of learn the lingo, kind of trying to see where they came, where they're coming to their conclusions from.
01:02:02
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So it seems to me in the sex positive culture era, there's in their eyes, there's winners and losers.
01:02:08
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And what happened was that women only wanted to have casual sex with the most attractive men.
01:02:13
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And these men who discovered the red pill were not those guys that basically they had this idea that
01:02:21
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I don't know if they use chads, but their substitute for chad is alphas, that there's these alphas and betas, and that alphas get all the sex, and then betas only get lowly, worthless commitment from women, which they see as worthless, right?
01:02:34
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They see that the endless, meaningless sex, that the, you know,
01:02:40
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I don't know, I assume someone like a professional athlete would get, you know, someone who's very rich, very handsome, very wealthy, very fit.
01:02:48
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So they want to be those guys.
01:02:50
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And so what they taught them was a series of psychological tactics and a way to subvert what common culture was at the time, or kind of still is, subvert what had become our sex posi culture brought to you by liberal feminism to work for their benefit and against ours as women.
01:03:09
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And so they had this idea that they could... I mean, it's negging, right?
01:03:15
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It's the old seduction negging stuff.
01:03:17
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But it was also...
01:03:20
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whatever the cultural expectation was, they would subvert it into their favor.
01:03:23
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So for example, I know liberal feminism was really trying to push the, oh, you should pay 50-50 on dates and you should make sure that you ask a guy out first, et cetera, et cetera.
01:03:36
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And so what they would do is they would use the fact that they didn't have to pay for dates to say, okay, well then you could just spin plates.
01:03:42
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You can just go in and exploit these women who think that
01:03:45
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You know, them paying 50 50 is on their way to a relationship or that they're engaging them in good faith thinking, okay, we're getting to know each other.
01:03:52
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We want to be in a relationship with the, you know, with the hopes maybe one day doesn't have to be perfect.
01:03:56
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And, you know, we may decide not to do it, but they started pushing for sex earlier, declining to pay for dates so that they could, they could.
01:04:05
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game all these women by having all these women that they're dating and having sex with, with the expectation that it would likely lead to a relationship if they started with casual sex, and then it never did, right?
01:04:16
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Knowing that they had no intention of doing that.
01:04:18
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And so that's the way they were able to exploit sex-positive culture and what I think was liberal feminists' goodwill extension to men to selfishly just feed their own ego and disrespect women while doing it on purpose.
01:04:31
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Yeah.
01:04:32
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I'm so glad you made that connection, because I've never, I've actually never heard it put that way before, that red pillars are literally exploiting this sort of idea of what it means to be a good woman under liberal feminism.
01:04:44
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Like, women have been conditioned for a while now to think that if you want to, you know, you got, you got to have it all, you got to be 50-50, you got to do this, you got to do that.
01:04:53
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And then that idea has changed.
01:04:55
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not been an olive branch to men like what liberal feminists originally thought it would be.
01:05:01
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It's instead been turned around on us and is now being used to exploit us all over again.
01:05:05
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Exactly.
01:05:06
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And that's where FDS comes in, because we cut the crap, because we go, no, I reject all of this.
01:05:12
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We can either have a relationship that benefits women or no relationship at all.
01:05:16
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The interesting about red pill ideology is that it literally says that a man's worth is directly tied to how many women he sleeps with.
01:05:24
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And so we're taking that and we're subverting that back against them and being like, okay, if you're going to be a piece of trash, then women aren't going to sleep with you.
01:05:32
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And casual sex has gone down drastically.
01:05:34
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Have you seen those statistics where it's in the past generation or so, like...
01:05:39
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Didn't it drop by like 40% for men, the amount of sex they had in the last year or so?
01:05:43
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And I can't help but feel.
01:05:45
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Yeah, like Gen Z, they don't fuck.
01:05:47
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Gen Z doesn't fuck.
01:05:49
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I think it was millennials too.
01:05:51
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And it was, yeah.
01:05:52
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And it's like, a lot of it is because why?
01:05:55
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The sex is crap.
01:05:55
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These guys are just sitting around being coomers and consumers.
01:05:58
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They don't have the social skills to interact with women.
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And when they do, they're doing this red pill crap.
01:06:03
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And, you know, it's just become not a venture that's worth it for women, right?
01:06:09
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And men aren't developing real skills to get women to have sex with them, which has generally been pro-social skills rather than this negging, abusive, crazy...
01:06:18
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Anti-social.
01:06:19
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Anti-social red pill stuff.
01:06:21
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Like, I like to compare certain ideologies to, like, certain mental disorders, right?
01:06:25
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So I say that libertarianism as a political philosophy is narcissism, where you just take benefiting yourself to the extreme.
01:06:34
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Red pillars are like if you take sociopathy or psychopath behavior, literally anti-social personality disorder, and then make that into an ideology.
01:06:43
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And then that's what's permeating modern dating culture for men right now.
01:06:47
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They're not learning social skills.
01:06:49
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They're learning antisocial skills.
01:06:51
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Yeah, they're learning how to exploit generally women who are engaging them in good faith or women who are severely already emotionally damaged, right?
01:06:59
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Like the type of women who sleep around generally because they have... See, people are going to be mad to say this, but like one of the things that we put out there is that women who are sleeping around a lot...
01:07:12
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All that dick is just not good.
01:07:13
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That's just like statistic wise.
01:07:15
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Like I, we do not believe them.
01:07:17
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We are not buying the like sex pot, the sex in the city version of empowerment that they're just fucking all this guys.
01:07:23
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And it's just a nonstop party time.
01:07:24
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Like most of these guys are garbage in bed or average at best.
01:07:27
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And, or, you know, they just don't have the dick to do the job.
01:07:30
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Like our last episode, like we, like we gently explained in our last episode that just, you know, physically, physically, some men just ain't going to cut, ain't going to cut it.
01:07:40
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So yeah,
01:07:41
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You know, us, when we look at the women that they're trying to game, it's either women who are engaging them in good faith and going 50-50 and trying to do the right thing and virtue signaling, etc.
01:07:51
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Or the women who are really are like the, I sleep with anybody for any reason.
01:07:54
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I have like severe emotional, you know, dysregulation issues.
01:07:59
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But then they take that as like success.
01:08:02
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Yeah, I would say rather than framing it as like women who like sleep around, I would say it's more women who like crave companionship and who go out on, and it's very sad actually, a lot of these women will go out on a limb and they'll have sex on the third date or whatever because they think that...
01:08:18
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a relationship is going to happen after that.
01:08:20
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And then more often than not, he just ends up ghosting her, right?
01:08:24
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What started out from the woman's perspective as like an extension of good faith and like making herself vulnerable and trying to like maybe build a connection.
01:08:31
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And so she's thinking, oh, if like I make him wait for, wait too long for sex, then he'll lose interest in me.
01:08:36
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So I have to have sex with him right away if I want to keep his interest.
01:08:39
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And then the guy's just like, yeah, well, I got what I wanted.
01:08:42
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So like peace out kind of thing.
01:08:44
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And then she's left feeling ripped off basically.
01:08:46
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The reason why I made the distinction between the good faith one, which I think you described, and then the liberal feminist sex posi type is because I feel like the liberal feminist sex posi type are doing it for the attention and the...
01:08:59
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I almost think they're in denial about the reality of the situation in a way that I think women who are engaging in good faith are not.
01:09:07
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And that's, you know, I think why a lot of times we go in on like the fake sex posi types who are, they're just trying to prove something that's just damaging themselves.
01:09:17
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They're trying to prove something to men that they're a badass and they can sleep around like guys can and that they live this empowered life.
01:09:23
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And it's just all a lie versus the women who are not saying that, but like trying to actually date and meet men who are getting screwed.
01:09:30
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And I think those are actually two different types of women.
01:09:33
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So here's the weird thing is like, I've actually never met a single woman in real life who actually thinks that sleeping around is empowering.
01:09:41
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That's something I've only seen online.
01:09:43
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Like this liberal feminist, you know, I'm such a badass because I fuck a different guy every night thing.
01:09:50
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I've actually never met a real woman like in real life.
01:09:53
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See, I have, and man, this is so... I'm going to tread lightly, but generally they're in denial.
01:10:00
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And especially in college, I felt like there was a sizable group of women like this, and they'll say one thing, and then they're drinking themselves stupid every night, right?
01:10:08
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I've seen that dichotomy in action where... Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:10:12
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If you're talking about just the messy women... Yeah, messy.
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There we go.
01:10:16
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The Kat Marnells, the blonde girl from Call Her Daddy, you know, the sort of messy blondes who just like...
01:10:23
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Not just blind.
01:10:23
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I mean, I've seen it all over.
01:10:24
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Yeah, true.
01:10:25
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This is race neutral.
01:10:26
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Sort of messy women who just... They sleep around for the validation and the social connections and to feel like they're part of something.
Social Media Personas vs. Reality
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And it's an identity.
01:10:35
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They've built their identity around being sex positive.
01:10:38
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They've built their identity around being sexually adventurous.
01:10:41
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So then rather than it being an expression or a part of who they are, it becomes their entire identity.
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The good time girl.
01:10:48
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Yeah.
01:10:48
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Yeah.
01:10:49
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But even that is very sad because the, like, a lot of them are very mentally dysfunctional, like, really.
01:10:55
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Like, a lot of them are, yeah, like you said, they drink themselves to sleep every night.
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If you see them on social media, they're talking about how they don't give a fuck, but then, you know, especially if you were dorming with them or you're friends with them long enough, you just start to see through the cracks in their bullshit where...
01:11:09
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You know, for every guy, like they're, they are crying over the fact that some of these guys don't call them back, even though they're all on social media, like onto the next one, you know, men are like bus, like buses.
01:11:19
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They come every 15 minutes, you know, and, and you just kind of see, you know,
01:11:23
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they've created this identity that I'll suck any dick anywhere.
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I'll do whatever.
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I'm down for whatever.
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I'm this.
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And like, I'm better than everybody else because I, you know, I, I got it like that.
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And all these guys want me.
01:11:33
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It's kind of like, I don't know if you guys have Maury Povich out where you are.
01:11:36
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If they used to have these like out of control teen segments and like in hindsight, they're super problematic, but especially because most of these like they're literal kids that'd be like 13, 14 years old, but you just see them engaging in this like reckless wild behavior.
01:11:50
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And they'll be like, I
01:11:50
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fucked a guy for a cheeseburger and what, you know, and then in your head, you're like, girl, why?
01:12:00
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Why are you doing this?
01:12:02
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My point being that, yeah, these people do exist, but I feel like they are vastly overrepresented in
01:12:06
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media.
01:12:07
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First of all, because of how ridiculous they are.
01:12:09
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It's like their lives are a train wreck.
01:12:12
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And so they're weirdly like more morbidly entertaining to watch.
01:12:17
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But again, like it's, it's a, it's another sort of weird grooming thing.
01:12:20
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Like the, all of these people are out there and, you know,
01:12:24
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advertising this sort of idea on social media and then sort of trickles down to real life dating.
01:12:30
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But no, the women I know in real life who have casual sex, a lot of the times what ended up being casual sex is because they thought that it was the beginning of a relationship and the guy just ghosted.
01:12:40
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So yeah, so it seems like it's another thing where the loudest people are the ones that are actually the minority, but they seem prominent.
01:12:47
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But they're the ones forming the narrative.
01:12:48
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Yeah.
01:12:49
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Yeah.
01:12:49
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They're the ones that the media keeps giving the microphone to.
01:12:52
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And I'm like, these women are
Critique of Modern Dating Experts
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mentally fucking ill.
01:12:54
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Stop letting them write this shit.
01:12:55
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Like, they're all on drugs.
01:12:57
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They don't know what they're talking about.
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Like, I don't really.
01:12:59
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Yeah, their lives are a train wreck.
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I don't.
01:13:03
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I guess they were supposed to be entertained, but like they'll prop them up as sexperts, right?
01:13:07
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They'll literally say sex expert, dating expert, dating and relationship expert.
01:13:12
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And I'm like, what about this person makes them an expert except for the fact that they have no self-awareness shame and are willing to do whatever with anybody.
01:13:20
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And I don't think that's a sign of an expert.
01:13:21
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I just feel like that's a person.
01:13:22
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That's just a reckless person.
01:13:24
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Yeah.
01:13:25
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I mean, you wouldn't call a person that just eats nothing but chicken fingers and McDonald's all the time a food expert just because they eat a lot of shit, right?
01:13:31
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You look at someone like Martha Stewart, they're sampling the best shit, right?
01:13:36
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I want a dick connoisseur.
01:13:38
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I don't want like a dick glutton, right?
01:13:40
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That's actually such a good point.
01:13:42
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I would love to see... Yeah, I'm tired of listening to these dick gluttons, okay?
01:13:46
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These like McDonald's dick consumers, right?
01:13:49
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Yeah.
01:13:50
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I want to see more like women out there who are, yeah, dick connoisseurs, like wine tasters.
01:13:55
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I only deal with luxury dick.
01:13:57
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I want luxury dick.
01:13:58
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If there are any, if there are any dick connoisseurs in the comments, please let us know.
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I sound off about your luxury experiences.
01:14:06
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We would love to hear them.
01:14:07
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I feel qualified after our last, after last week's episode too.
01:14:13
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Yeah.
01:14:13
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And all our, all our subbies.
01:14:14
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There's, there's some dick connoisseurs in the comments of that article.
01:14:17
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Dick connoisseurs.
01:14:18
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but honestly, the whole red pill thing, it's one of those things where, I don't know, they've flown too close to the sun and now the wax is melting and they're coming and crashing down.
01:14:31
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Because so many red pillers are prominent social media personalities, women are wising up and are learning these tactics, right?
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If a guy tries to neg me, I'm like, block, block and delete.
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Yeah, they're going to go out sad and I feel bad for them because, again, this isn't the 1950s and 60s where they're banking on, I'm going to be 35 and my options are really going to open up.
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And let's just keep it a buck.
01:14:52
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If you're attractive, you wouldn't have gone to the red pill in the first place because you would have already gotten a lot of women.
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And if you think you're
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going to substantially increase your sexual market value over a certain age to anything other than women of your age, you're just kidding yourself.
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You're not...
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Like you're not Tom Brady.
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Let's just keep it like 100%.
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Even all these guys that are handsome and rich and have everything these guys wish and think they want, they're generally married to age appropriate women, right?
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Like they're married to probably equally attractive women, but you just are not seeing like gargoyles get super hot wives unless they're like ridiculously wealthy and powerful like Harvey Weinstein.
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Literal billionaires, yeah.
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The rest of these guys, you know, it's just not the way it works even for them.
01:15:38
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So just to wrap it up and tie it back to the theme of the episode, which is why are men nowadays so low value?
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I guess it could be summarized as men are just as misogynistic as they've always been, if not more so.
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The only difference is that now they don't have any of the benefits that would normally come with the traditional...
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you know, male role.
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They've got all of the misogyny of traditional gender roles, but none of the positive masculinity, like paying for dates or building a house or fixing your car or, you know, being a supportive father and community member and so on.
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And so a lot of women are just realizing that men ain't worth it.
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Most men nowadays just don't have anything to offer a woman.
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All they do is consume and take and take and take and they don't give back.
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They just don't do reciprocal relationships.
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And so I'm glad that more and more women are starting to realize that and are realizing that there's more to life than finding a man and that it's better to be single than to be with a low value man.
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Thanks for listening, Queens.
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And for all you coomers and consumers out there, die mad.
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Bye.