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AAMI Community Series AFL Fantasy Take Aways (2022 Pre-Season Finale) | #PODPOD
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The Statesman, Lewy, Dos and newest PODPOD member, Kyle Holmes, talk all things AFL Fantasy following the AAMI Community Series matches over the weekend.
Two-time AFL Fantasy Classic top 10 finisher, and all-around fantasy gun, Holmsey (@Holmesyheroes) is fresh off a runner-up finish in 2021 and joins the POPPOD to impart his wisdom upon you! He'll be joining us for the entire season for our in-season shows, starting next Monday!
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Transcript
Introduction and Membership Info
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Point of Difference AFL Fantasy Podcast, a different look at AFL Fantasy Classic brought to you by the Kepa League pod. Now a reminder, this is the last pre-season episode that we've got on this feed. Our in-season weekly pod pod will be exclusively available to silver and gold members of the Kepa League in 2022.
Joining the Pod Family
00:00:22
Speaker
Jump on board the Pod Pod family by hitting the link in the podcast description or going to keepalegpod.com.au.
Introducing Kyle Homsey-Holmes
00:00:30
Speaker
On this final pre-season episode, we're taking a deep dive into each of the Amy Community Series matches with just one week left before the season with our new official
00:00:41
Speaker
Pod Pod member joining us for the whole season of podcast goodness. It's 2021 AFL fantasy classic runner-up and two-time top 10 finisher, Kyle Homsey-Holmes. Can't believe I've joined these clowns. Pod Pod.
00:01:15
Speaker
Welcome to the final pre-season edition of the Pod Pod. I'm your host, Dossie, here with Stato and Louis, like usual. Statesman, the fantastic coach that he is, and Louis, another great, fantastic coach we have in the community joined by...
00:01:32
Speaker
Another gun coach that we've got, a two-time top 10 finisher, Kyle Holmes. Mate, how's it going? And are you enjoying the group chat of the pod pod that we've put you
Kyle's Role and Podcast Dynamics
00:01:45
Speaker
into? Have you enjoyed some of the messages coming through? It's good to be on the other side of it and to see exactly how your mind works, Dossie. Like I said to Lou, I think it'll be interesting to do a study one day just to see how that fantasy brain works because some of the players you throw out there are interesting, but we love you.
00:02:03
Speaker
Mate, well, it's great having you on board for the Pod Pod as well. So what are you just going to be bringing to us this season that we've got? You've obviously had some massive finishes. What's some insights that we can be expecting for you this season? I think I just bring a bit of credibility to the Pod. I mean, Stado's had a good few years, but like I said, last year I had to scroll quite far down the rankings to find his name. So just, yeah, a bit of credibility.
00:02:29
Speaker
What do you have to say to that, Stade? You've been yourself up there, third place finish back in 2018. I think you might have pipped Kyle back then, but it's been a while since the glory days back then, Stade? Yeah, to be fair, I can go back to back seasons, mate. I don't need to have a sort of three, four year break, to be honest. But look, I want to welcome everyone to the Stade Owen Stubborn Show. We've got Stubborn Gun, Stubborn Close, and Stubborn Same Same. Not so different, Dossie, with the names floating around.
00:02:59
Speaker
you should see and I'm actually I've just started to write a book which basically all I'm doing is cutting and pacing our little chat group because there are the amount of ridiculous names that get popped up. I'm working very hard I'm working seven days a week at the moment and I just have that as a little side screen so I can have a little giggle when I can have a little break
00:03:23
Speaker
And just every now and again, I decide I might go fishing here. And I got Louis snagged on an absolute rip. I just had to mention one word about his prusi boy and all of a sudden it was defense coming
Pre-season Strategy and Insights
00:03:36
Speaker
out. But look, it's great fun. And I love the different point of views. And I'm sure you all realize when we're looking at that sort of group chat, quite honestly, there's a lot of stubbornness about it. But I think to be a good coach, actually have to be quite stubborn.
00:03:53
Speaker
You have to have your process. You have to have your sort of set ways because you learn from them. And that's what makes you good is you stay strong, which is a really tough thing to do, especially after the last two weekends of footy. One set of practice matches.
00:04:10
Speaker
and the AME series as well. You need to stay strong to what the end goal is, and that's the highest rank, which is we all aiming for, except for Dossie. He just wants to... That's why he has about 600 sprays, because he's hoping about two of them might come right, and he can crow all the way. I picked this. Josh Battle, F1.
00:04:31
Speaker
Josh Battle is the Nick Hind of 2022. You heard it here first. Louis, we've got him as well on the show. And, Lou, how'd you enjoy the Amy Community Series? It was a bit different. We had a bit better vision to look at on the weekend and boy, it was good having it back, wasn't it?
00:04:46
Speaker
I loved it mate. Finally, I've got a little bit of closure on my picks. So obviously those first couple of practice matches, couldn't see much, still watched them and got an idea on what sort of roles some players are going to be playing. But with the Amy community series, it feels a little bit more real that, you know, that word everybody's used this week, dress rehearsal was certainly the theme.
Game Analysis: Carlton vs Melbourne
00:05:10
Speaker
It helped me sort of solidify my team, my picks.
00:05:13
Speaker
And going into round one, I'm pretty happy with my team now. So now the weekend was really good. Great to have put it back and get ready for round one.
00:05:24
Speaker
Awesome. Getting ready for round one myself as well. And make sure you do join us for the pod pods throughout the season. We're going to have myself, Stato, Louie, and Kyle on the show joining us for the whole season. So make sure you join the pod pod league that Stato set up. So you go to Stato's Twitter account at Statesman33. He's posted the link to that fantasy league there, as well as joining our Facebook group, which is the official hashtag pod pod AFL fantasy group.
00:05:52
Speaker
Let's get into our major takeaways from the Amy community series and we're going to be doing things game by game this pod because it is the final podcast as we said of the pre-season. So we want to make sure we go in-depth into these. So we're going to go five things, five takeaways essentially from each of the games and we've each covered them. So the first one was the Thursday night game Carlton versus Melbourne and we've got Louis covering that one.
00:06:17
Speaker
Yeah, so my first takeaway from this game is that George Hewitt's midfield role is real. So he attended most center bounces, showed that spread from stoppage, a little bit unlucky to be burnt on some short passes, but I expect to see some more tackles in that stuff too. So I think he put up about a score of a 90, but I can certainly see him pushing 90 plus 95 plus, which is what's going to be enough to start in your fantasy teams. I know he's a popular pick down back.
00:06:44
Speaker
certainly after those practice games anyway. So that was my number one takeaway from that game, which is what we want to see. At number two, Cripps could still get back to his best. So there's not a lot more I can say here. It's a fantastic performance from him. He looked fit. He had his pace back. He was so strong in the contest. What I will say though, if he wasn't on your watch list previously, I'd second guess bringing him in.
00:07:09
Speaker
The attention is going to come in the season proper and he probably provided a little bit of a good reminder to opposition coaches what he's capable of if he's left to run around doing what he likes. So I'd proceed with caution there but it was a great game. Number three Oliver and Petrarca will just keep on keeping on
00:07:28
Speaker
Oliver such a beast on the inside, so quick with his hands, great extractor of the bowl, he's not going to have any regression in 2022 I wouldn't have thought, whereas Petrarca he just does it all, I could even see him improving on his average in 2022, so I was really impressed with their games.
00:07:45
Speaker
Stado's boy number four Adam Serra started a little bit slow but worked into the game really well and what I was impressed with was how he actually used the footy so went at 92% disposal efficiency and it looked like that watching it live too he was just so clean with how he used it but personally I don't think he's going to nudge the top 10 midfielders so I'm probably happy to pass on that one myself
00:08:11
Speaker
And is there any other relevant players out of that game? Holmesy, can you recall any, mate? I mean, there was this this ruckman that wasn't really sitting 80% forward, does he? Can you put your name finger on that or?
00:08:28
Speaker
I never said that. Well, it's got to be gone. It certainly wasn't the role I was expecting. He split the rock 70 30 with Jackson, which is what he did do last year. But instead of resting forward, he went behind the 40 and he took a lot of marks, which really helped his fantasy score.
Game Analysis: Western Bulldogs vs Brisbane
00:08:46
Speaker
I'm not sure if that will continue just because Stephen May didn't play and he was able to intercept a bit of the 40 last year. But regardless from what I saw, I actually don't think we're going to see a huge regression from going this year. Yeah.
00:08:58
Speaker
I think Kyle's been on that train all pre-season and a bit of a smug look on the show tonight and just a bit of a smug look in general lately, Kyle, taking that to the bank, the dual rucks starting with those two guns. So you're loving life at the moment. But Kyle, you've covered the next game. Any thoughts there, lads, on the
00:09:18
Speaker
Hewitt's midfield role is real as well. Crips back to his best. Any other thoughts there that we want to touch on? Talk about your boy Chera, Stado. Only one that you brought up was this new gun defender who's having a breakout season. Scored a massive 61 you got pretty excited about. Who are we talking about now? Bowie. Oh yeah, he was alright. He's lost track of everyone he's brought up this pre-season.
00:09:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's wise. 600 hits hoping for the two to actually hit a bulldog. I did say that was more of a capable play, to be fair. Thank you very much. And he was taking kick-ins, if you did notice, with Salem out. Salem was out. All right, let's get on to Friday. And yeah, we should mention a few of the names that were missing, and you did a good job there, Lou. But on Friday, Western Bulldogs versus Brisbane. Kyle, you covered this one.
00:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, so we just need to have a look at who wasn't playing for both teams first, just so we can get more of an idea of how the team's lined up. So for Brisbane, there was no Zorko or Raina in the midfield. And then for the Bulldogs, there was no Liber. So just have a think about that when you're looking at CBAs and time on ground.
00:10:25
Speaker
The game was played at a pretty high intensity for a pre-season game and I think both of those sides being in premiership contention just really wanted a full dress rehearsal going into round one so you would expect them to line up pretty similar other than those players to still come back in.
00:10:41
Speaker
First main takeaway is that Tim English actually played a 70-30% split with Stefan Martin so he assumed the number one rock roll and he actually looked really good. He was playing a bit like Max Gorn in the fact that he was getting behind the ball, he was getting around the ground. He didn't get a lot of hit outs like he normally doesn't but the fact that he was getting the possessions around the ground and he was tackling and marking
00:11:05
Speaker
I don't mind this play as a backup plan for Perus at R2 if you're looking to have a bit of a break the glass for emergency. However, it is important to know that you will have to lock that in on Wednesday night before Perus is potentially named later on during the week. So that's just something to flag there.
00:11:24
Speaker
Next, all of the Bulldogs midfield did exactly what you needed to do them to do in the preseason. So they all had big midfield minutes. They all got plenty of the ball. I think Dunkley had 80% CBAs. I don't expect that to be the case in the real season when Libba comes back, but the fact that they played in there, that shows that I think that's where they intend to play them throughout the season.
00:11:47
Speaker
Trillor, McRae, Bonn, all got plenty of the ball, all had 60-50% CBAs, they're fine. If you're hot on them, there's no reason to not jump on. From a Brisbane point of view, Lachie Neal, there was no playing forward. He had 85% CBAs. He was exactly where we thought he was going to be in terms of on the ball. So once again, if you were hot pre-season, there's no reason not to jump on.
00:12:12
Speaker
Jared Lyons was the interesting one, I think we all sort of pegged a regression there and he only had 30% CBAs. I would expect that to climb a little bit come the regular season but I can't see him hitting the 117 heights that he did last season. And lastly, Zach Bailey, he did have the 61% CBAs in this game which was well up on his average of 34% last year.
00:12:34
Speaker
I expect a little bit of natural progression. He is a gun but I still think that he's going to be one of those footballers, at least at the moment, that is far more impactful rather than getting those cheap possessions around the ground. Boys, does anyone have any other thoughts from this game?
00:12:49
Speaker
Look, I agree on Bailey. I think Brisbane is serious about winning a premiership. Then he really shouldn't be further than 60 metres from goal because he's just so impactful in front of them and he can kick three to four in just a couple of minutes, really. So that's a good call, I think, Kyle.
00:13:06
Speaker
Has anyone did, did that confirm any role? Like, is anyone still, was anyone on Neil that's obviously you're just not going to go away from Neil or anything to do with Rayner that none of us were on Rayner, were we? I just want to know, was it, is any of us on Rayner? Everyone's shaking their heads.
Game Analysis: Hawthorn vs Richmond
00:13:23
Speaker
Louis as well. You're not shaking. No, no. I've gave him a bit of a spray last week, mate. I'm not touching that at all.
00:13:29
Speaker
Alright, perfect. Well, let's move on then if there's nothing else from that game on the Saturday games. Hawthorn versus Richmond and Stado, you take us away. Most certainly mate. Absentees for Hawthorn, we had Tommy Mitchell talk about a groin issue there. J. Gros Mira also missing. There was a little bit of a suggestion that he had hamstring tightness. Will Day has been a
00:13:55
Speaker
very much in the interrupted pre-season, unlikely to get in the first couple of weeks. And CJ as well, who I think is going to be really important in their defence but has been coming back from that knee for quite some time that he injured late last year.
00:14:13
Speaker
For Richmond, Nick Vlosten, who's got an injury issue at the moment, may get in for round one. Lambert, unfortunately, it'll be a long time before he gets back, so we've got a chronic injury there for Lambert. And Jack Graham as well, unfortunately very much an interrupted pre-season, may come into calculations come round one.
00:14:40
Speaker
So the five things, Jaden Shaw continues to be the pre-season king. I am very mindful that he is the type of player and without Hawley there is the main driver in defence that's good for scoring.
00:14:56
Speaker
but also easy to target so very mindful of the forward tag so if Ed Kurnow is playing that defensive forward role I would not be surprised if he sits beside Jayden Short on the Thursday night which would be unfortunate for owners.
00:15:16
Speaker
Sam Mitchell is definitely going to back in the kids. So we look, I know they were missing a few senior players, but these are the players rotated through the midfield. Nash Ward, Warple and Newcombe were very prominent through that midfield and didn't Ward look like he was a piece of class. So we're talking first year players gave us a 90, absolutely fantastic Ward, but noting there are a couple of important midfielders to come back.
00:15:45
Speaker
A sick dog definitely has the role and he passes the eye test. I'm generally one against anyone coming back from an ACL because I always phrase it as a two-year injury. The reality is he's 18 months, so he actually could have came back
00:16:04
Speaker
at the end of last year so they've done the right thing for preparation. He will still have a flaw so even this game he started on fire but ended up with only 66 points from 98. You need to accept that if you're going to have any of the key defenders even if they have the kick-ins.
00:16:21
Speaker
But let's be honest Hawthorne aren't going to be in the top four. So I dare say there will be some decent scores against them throughout the year at times. Decent scoring means there'll be amount of points against them and if that's the case means there's more kick-ins for him.
00:16:39
Speaker
Martin is definitely in mid before he is forward, but he was resting forward. The role is there, but I've got a question mark about the elite scoring. And I really say this, to be quite honest, I know we can look at it and see the highlights of Dussie being an absolute superstar, but there is that theory with him
00:17:02
Speaker
that he only tries when he needs to try. So he only puts himself out. So that's why he's won, I think, in total three Norm Smith medals on the day that accounts Dusty is there all day. If he doesn't need to be and there's 60 points up,
00:17:18
Speaker
I don't think he does that extra work to make sure he gives you another plus six and then another plus six and then a tackle. So that's my little concern with Dusty, but the role is there. And last but not least, Ralph Smith. I was just so impressed with this young fella. I will say he is sharing the role, so this sort of
00:17:40
Speaker
three people running through those two positions. So we need to be mindful of that, that at the moment it's pre-season. So Rioli's definitely there. Ralph Smith's there at times as well. He did score well. He does break the lines, which is quite impressive. And he's certainly one of the few fieldable rookies that we actually have.
00:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, so that was pretty much the main one that I wanted to ask about because we know, I know Louis sort of was the first one to my mind that flagged it as him potentially being even ahead of Rioli for that role. And I know that Dan Rioli played in this game.
Game Analysis: Adelaide vs Port Adelaide
00:18:21
Speaker
The only issue is Velostin didn't, but did he, do you reckon he's easily solidified his spot after that performance? It seems like obviously on the stat sheet, but I didn't get to watch this game. So you said he's all class.
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah, no, he should be in the team, but you don't know if you got Vlostan, I don't think Lambert will be there, but if you had Vlostan, Lambert and Graham, three need to come out. Plus you have an extra four players in these games. So there's a little bit to cut out, but to me, looking at the role, looking at his performance, I would dare say he'd be playing round one. Great.
00:18:59
Speaker
All right, let's get on to Adelaide versus Port, and I covered this one along with Kyle. So Kyle, jump in whenever you want, mate, if you want to take over. So the people that were missing were obviously Tex, we know he's going to be gone for a little bit. Paul Seed's been with the concussion. Jordan Dawson with that calf, which would have been really nice to have seen him play this game, would have been very, very nice to see him play.
00:19:22
Speaker
And Wayne Miller are also out for the port. It was out Sam power pepper Charlie Dixon and Orazio Fantasia that weren't there I also wanted to note that Sam Skinner who's been We've been pretty keen to start with him this year He was named as an emergency Louie and you don't reckon he's now can't be in the frame to be playing around one after that No, I think he's gonna have to wait for an injury now
00:19:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's unfortunate. All right, so the five things that I noticed we had, Matt Crouch was the first one just out of the gate for me, looked absolutely fantastic. Big CBAs, but low time on ground, which is probably to be expected after coming back from the amount of time that he spent out and his typical high handball ratio. But I wanted to ask you guys, because I know
00:20:05
Speaker
you've been less keen on the group chat that he's been thrown out there. Maybe to you, Kyle, because you also caught a glimpse of this one with Rory Laird injuring his hand in this one going to be out for about a month by the looks. Could we safely start with Matt Crouch now knowing that he's going to easily get the role?
00:20:23
Speaker
Yeah, look, I think there's no doubt that he's going to outperform his starting price. I just don't think at this stage coming back off the groins in the managed minutes that he's going to be that 100 plus guy who's going to come out of the gates and really burn you. I think you can kind of go against him and potentially start slow over the first sort of four to six rounds, averages 85, 90, and then maybe you look to pick him up then when he can go 105.
00:20:49
Speaker
when he's back to full fitness. I think with Adelaide being down the bottom of the ladder and him just being managed and having low time on ground, combined with that high handball ratio, it's not the slam dunk that we all think it is. And it's fair to say just because lead got injured doesn't make Matt Crouch any fitter.
00:21:11
Speaker
Yeah, that's a fair point. In fact, I was sort of, you know, the, the Jordan Dawson, if he wasn't injured at like the, the midfield role, the inside midfield role that they're talking about might just be even there, even juicier right now as well. So it's such a shame we didn't get a look. If Matt Crouch looked fantastic, how did Patrick Cripps look?
00:21:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair too. A bit more expensive, but he did. They both looked great, but yes, you'd be safe with that, the Crips pick by the looks. Rob wanted to talk about him quickly because I think maybe some coaches would be tempted to bring him back in after ruling him out. So scored over the 100, I think it was around 108 closing in on that 110. So he was awesome. He played a great game, but this game was just so down the line. If you didn't see it, it was very much kick and catch between the big
00:22:04
Speaker
the big fellas so the wind was terrible and it was just down the line so Rob was taking a lot of clunks even though you have to take those clunks to get a score so he did really well to do that but just still be wary I think because this game was just very suited to him did you think the same car watching it watching this one
00:22:41
Speaker
Mmm, important to note that as well, but I don't think Sam Hayes as well, just speaking of him, he won't be playing round one by the sounds of things in my opinion, judging by what Ken was saying pre-game, it was just kind of like a test. He said before the match that usually though they won't be running with two rucks apart from they just wanted to get a look at it essentially. It was, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said. So just to be aware, I'd probably rule him out as you won 90K and try and look out for
00:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, my thoughts on Rob haven't changed. He's going to put up scores like that every now and again, but I just still worry about his floor.
00:23:07
Speaker
any other players that are in that bracket for your bench. Josh Richelli, he's a gun. We saw it the week before as well in the trial match, but did nothing wrong to this one. Showed a bit of an observable thirst, which I posted on the Twitter as well. So, great signs for Richelli if you were keen before, which I was. You're even keener now. He looked great. And Zach Budders,
00:23:30
Speaker
Your boy, Stado, I don't know if you got a chance to see this, but he was everywhere. I was going to say, I kind of didn't notice him that much, but then he had 30 plus. So, you know, he got the job done. And again, if you were keen before you, you'd be nothing to rule out him starting with him. Yeah. Um, I've only watched the game about six times so far. Um, just with a little theme song, everyone knows it's butters.
Game Analysis: Essendon vs St Kilda
00:23:57
Speaker
That's me.
00:23:59
Speaker
Cheers. Alright, let's get on to the Essendon Saint Kilda game. Louis, you covered this one.
00:24:05
Speaker
Yeah I did mate, let me just scroll down here for a while. So first takeaway was Zach Merritt and Andy McGrath look to be spending a little bit more time in the back half of the ground. So Merritt always fantasy relevant but McGrath certainly will be when he picks up that DPP status which I think he will after round 6. So the big takeaway from that is that Darcy Parrish now seems to be the main guy in the Dons midfield.
00:24:31
Speaker
He has a monster ceiling. I can see a lot of upside in his starting value too, given that he started the year down the pecking order in the midfield until that shield injury saw him grab the roll by the horns. So he's someone I'm pretty keen on. Jai Coldwell.
00:24:46
Speaker
Center bounce usage is going to be pretty inconsistent by the looks of it and when he's not in that center bounce he's going to be in that graveyard shift of half forward so no doubting he's got built in value but it's going to be a bit of a roller coaster ride I think and it's a little bit of an awkward price to pay in classic.
00:25:04
Speaker
If I grab me an example, Matt Rau, I'd be much more keen on, he's got the bonafide inside mid-roll. So moving on to number three, Rowan Marshall, he's a beast as the sole ruck and it does look like Patty Ryder is going to be fit for round one. So we might be able to pick him up as a forward after round six, but I thought that was worth noting that he still got it.
Game Analysis: GWS vs Collingwood
00:25:29
Speaker
Number four, Jack Hayes showed enough to suggest he's going to be a capable player. I thought he competed pretty well around the ground. He's definitely one to stash away on your bench. Perhaps he can replace Sam Hayes at R3 if he doesn't get a gig. And finally, Jack still rolled the legs over for 20 touches and five tackles. I'd expect in the real stuff, you could probably add eight to 10 touches and a handful of tackles, which comfortably puts him at around the 120 mark.
00:25:58
Speaker
I'd seen this game like a little bit of this game, didn't watch the whole thing, but I was looking at the center bounces of Caldwell as well. He actually had a fairly even distribution across the game. I'm not going to lie, I quite like the starting with him factor. I think he's kind of just been building into the season.
00:26:15
Speaker
And I think he can score in that mid forward role and I think the whole plan all along is probably for him to get around 50% center bounces. Louis, do you still think, you know, if you can lock in, if you can lock in about 50% center bounces, would you, would you consider starting with him at that price? No, I wouldn't because he's got no history of fantasy ability anyway.
00:26:36
Speaker
Fair enough. All right, our next team was on the Sunday game and that was GWS versus the Pies. A few people were out in that one as well. For GWS, notably just non-fantasy relevant, apart from your boy, Toby Green, I guess their state of it. He's out for a while. Him, Hogan, Matt De Boer. And for the Pies, Fairview, Jeremy Howe, Jordan Ruffett, Taylor Adams, which was probably the big one for us looking at the midfield mix there.
00:27:01
Speaker
Brody Myerchek and Isaac Quayner. So some big names for the Pies missing in this one, but the biggest name going down very early in this one was Patrick Lipinski, the curse boys. The curse is back. How about it? I was loading up the Twitter, getting ready to repost the video when he dropped a 30 plus disposal and stayed out. He went down.
00:27:27
Speaker
It did. It did. Can't say there wasn't a smile on the door, to be honest. Obviously want the individual to be fine, to be safe, but just the dossy curse. I mean, let's face facts. You wrote a book. Bailey the Bulldog, who's now got a lockdown role in Western Bulldogs defence, was going to be the best gun there ever was. Theorini.
00:27:56
Speaker
You were calling him the greatest goat of all time, got relegated to the Nifl, then they actually changed the comp's name, but he still couldn't get out of that competition. I think you've had one sort of minor success with McLuggage, and he actually did look good on the weekend.
00:28:17
Speaker
Then Patty Dowell. So there's a long history here. I've been working with you for way too long, Dossie. Then Patty Dowell, as we all know how that turned out. And Lippers, the next one in the gun. So you're a one from six score line. It's going well, Dossie.
00:28:35
Speaker
We'll see. We'll see on the fair anyway. We should say that that's not happened yet, but Stata and I will be staying on at the end of this show and we'll have some great thoughts about that. The end of this show might end up going for another hour, Stata talking about how the fair only dropped 50 disposals. So tune in for that. Tune in for that at the end.
00:28:53
Speaker
I'll just talk about some other names. So obviously Lipinski, unfortunately, if you had him in your plans, you know, he did an ankle injury. He might be right for round one. I haven't actually seen the news yet, but you can't start with him after that, unfortunately. All right. And Maynard looks like he might get suspended. So there's a lot of key defenders, even though Maynard's not a key defender, but a lot of key defensive stocks out.
00:29:15
Speaker
Is Will Kelly now in play? Because he was named as an emergency on this one. Could you be considering him to start the season on a lure you're into your cheaper players here? Do you reckon Will Kelly gets a game now that all these key defenders are down? I think there was another key defender that went down in this game as well.
00:29:34
Speaker
Look, he's certainly not going to be a scorer, but it might be all we've got to actually chuck on the bench because there's a massive shortage of defensive rookies. So he comes in priced at 191K, pretty much as close to baseman as you can get. If he's all you can sort of pick from, then I don't mind it. But you just got to keep in mind that the job security is not going to be there either.
00:29:55
Speaker
Nathan Murphy was the one that went down, Dossie, that's who you're thinking about. I think they're expecting Jeremy Howe back, so they'll need the one. So if you say Jeremy takes Murphy's place, they're going to have to bring a key tool in for coverage. The interesting one, if Maynard does get rubbed out, does that mean Crisp leaves the midfield and plugs that hole into things?
00:30:24
Speaker
So then I'd be just a little watch for round one and a tiny little question mark on Chris Beniz value for as a starter. Interesting.
00:30:36
Speaker
Canelio was back in the guts, I think just about must have. I think based on what we saw at the very beginning of last year where his role was as a pure midfielder at the very start of last year. Leon was trying to get him back in there. He had well and truly high in the 70% centre bounces back then and he was back in the guts in this game despite Toby Green being out.
00:30:59
Speaker
So he's an absolute, I think, almost, you know, no one's a must have, but he's up there because of his price and given what he can do in the midfield. Callen Ward, I just want to mention because he was playing half back, like basically purely half back, which I was very surprised by and very happy with from from Leon. And the other thing is he played awesome back there. So
00:31:20
Speaker
Not that I'm talking about him for a player that you can play, but the fact that he's playing there opens up some spots in the midfield, including the the Canelio spot there, as well as maybe a Tom Green who.
00:31:32
Speaker
I'm not going to say to start with him, of course, because that's very risky, but he's one I could be watching in the first opening few rounds because of given how cheap that he is and his upside playing as a pure midfielder. So one to watch. Josh Kelly went absolutely nuts. So I know we've been keen on him throughout the season, throughout the pre-season and did absolutely nothing to go against him there. I think he had over 40 touches and was just everywhere now that he's co-captain as well. Very juicy.
00:32:00
Speaker
Jordan de Goey started in the midfield as well, but I just want to flag Taylor Adams was out. So he's still just such a hard one to pick for me. And given his roller coaster ride last year, I'm going to wait for the up the up on that wave and see if I can get a couple of good games first to see if he's worth picking this year. And just very quickly, Josh Daikos, he changed his name.
00:32:22
Speaker
He changed his name, he is a gun. He got me on the show, doc. Nick Daikos. Stado jumped in and changed it. I'm very much the, I'm Ron Burgundy, reading my notes. But Nick Daikos, an absolute jet. Josh Daikos playing wing looked very good as well, mind you, Stado.
Game Analysis: Swans vs North Melbourne
00:32:42
Speaker
But yeah, Nick Daikos had 30 plus touches. And if you don't have him, you're a, it's very stupid not to have him. So start with him. Stado, let's get on to Swans versus North.
00:32:52
Speaker
Yes, mate, so those missing the game were Franklin, five goals to go, Latham's about 924 goals to go, Papley and then for North Melbourne, Jed Anderson, of course, we know he's back training, so hopefully it won't be too far away. Will Phillips, a very interesting one,
00:33:13
Speaker
and some people probably had him as that Selby two-year breakout player but unfortunately didn't make the squad. I haven't heard anything about injuries so it might just be he's not in the mix for the first one and Callum Coleman Jones we hear it's not severe
00:33:32
Speaker
at knee injury and not a crisis point so they've got some decisions to make to do what to do with those tools because basically they've got four ready to go for two positions so it makes it quite interesting. First off, Louis lied to us. George, Jason,
00:33:50
Speaker
hyphen boy in school. Yeah, that's what I wanted because we take the piss out of camp for always picking George Orland Smith. So I'll go with a hyphen. Can score. I think you're right with the data when we look back at the history, but the reality was that when the others were playing against 18 year olds, he was scoring those seventies against men.
00:34:16
Speaker
So then you go into a high performance environment. You start to learn and manage your body better and you get used to the next level. I think that's what he's going to do. He's going to average us to 70. I think there's only one rookie that's going to average more than him. And that's obviously Josh's little brother, Nick.
00:34:43
Speaker
Ward could, I feel, but I don't think he's going to get that roll concentration. The other key thing for the hyphen will be at the end of the day, he is actually going to get the opportunity to be forward status by around six. And he will get some little dives as the season goes into the midfield to show his impact.
00:35:07
Speaker
And the boy is a bull. There's no doubts about that. The next one is a Heaney roll question. So Muehl's back in the team and all of a sudden he was plonked forward. But I will say without Laddams, without Franklin, without Papley, maybe it's a little bit more of what they had to call on in the forward line. So just be careful. There were so many midfielders running through that inside mid-roll. Someone's going to lose out.
00:35:36
Speaker
I'm thinking it's going to be Row Bottom again. He seemed to be the whipping boy last year, so there is a chance for that to happen. If you see Row Bottom not selected for round one, expect Haney to spend more time in that midfield.
00:35:53
Speaker
A Lloyd, his share of the ball is still a concern. I don't think there's any doubt that he's going to be a top six defender, but I actually went into the pre-season thinking that he was a value for money. I'm thinking less that it's the case. I think for that club,
00:36:14
Speaker
So for their development, not having the one, so the Aaron Hall type role, the one person to take it out of the fence, having dual weapons and there's about three in there that I think are high quality and Lloyd is one of them, I think they'll be sharing that amount of fuel. And I think that's what's happened in the pre-season. I don't think there's any doubt
00:36:41
Speaker
that Lloyd doesn't need to prove anything to the coaching team. So I won't say he was in 100% rep power, but I will say there seems to be a group of high quality disposal users forming in that defensive group. And I think the ball will be shared between them.
00:37:01
Speaker
Campbell is an absolute jet and Blakey looks like he can break the lines. They want the ball in those two hands. So there's three seagulls, not one anymore. So be mindful. I just don't think he's the right person to start, but I think we need to finish our teams with him. So I'm expecting he's going to drop
00:37:25
Speaker
50 to 100K early. So remember how the game works. There is this plot of money. The total amount of money stays the same. So if your rookies are going up, someone's price is coming down. And that's the reality. So if you score just a bit under what your break even is, you'll find you'll start losing cash early. It starts to settle at about round eight because we have less rookies.
00:37:55
Speaker
But the price deviations early in the season, so we're talking rounds two and round three are massive, because that's when the price changes kick in for those rookies, which means the underperforming premiums, their price drops. And as I said before, always looking for that value. Speaking about value, but I also think there's a bit of a risk of the pre-season watch is
00:38:23
Speaker
Their new wingman who got a defender status, McInerney, he looked quite impressive, but I've got a real question of what his ceiling is. So we need to take note in some of the scores yesterday that they were playing North Melbourne.
00:38:41
Speaker
We need to be mindful of that. So just push 15, 20% down and that's probably more the reality. But the role was there. It looked impressive. His last five at the end of last year was an average of 80 and I think his price is around that 59. So there's some value there.
00:39:06
Speaker
And the interesting output that I want to look at in North Melbourne is whether they're concentrating on development or whether they're looking to get a few wins on the board. So this is where the Zerry, the Goldie and the Callum Coleman Jones question mark comes from. So we don't understand. I think we listened to the dialogue a little bit over the next week and should get some indication of which way they were going to go.
00:39:33
Speaker
Because if it's all about wins, I reckon they start with Goldie as their number one ruck. If it is about developing the next crew, then Goldie's there to help educate a young ruckman.
Game Analysis: Fremantle vs West Coast
00:39:45
Speaker
And that's going to be an interesting thing to watch.
00:39:49
Speaker
What was interesting with that cherry verse Goldie is that they actually won more center clearances when cherry was in the on the center square. So reading to that what you will obviously common Jones does have to come back. It's probably really bad news for those that were hoping common would get a game early. But yeah, a lot to read into that.
00:40:10
Speaker
Yeah, I've led the center bounce attendances, did Tristan Cherry for North Melbourne. So it's so tough, though, because he was, me and Louis, we brought him in last year thinking he was going to get that role, you know, a bit of 50-50 split with Goldie, and he was absolute trash. I know he averaged 34, mate. That's pretty good for your picks. Good stuff, mate. All right, let's get on to the next game, which, Kyle, your time to shine, mate. It's the Frio versus West Coast game.
00:40:40
Speaker
Tell you what, it's hard to get a word in with Stado, but I'll give it a go. Loves the chat. This game, it's interesting because both of the midfields were missing some pretty key cogs, so obviously there was no Fife for Fremantle and then for the Eagles they didn't have Yo, Shui or Sheed.
00:40:57
Speaker
So, Will Brody backed up his ton from last week with a 96. I still have concerns though about what happens to him when Fife returns, if Darcy Tucker gets a midfield time. He only played 67% time on ground, which we know typically you want your fantasy players being on the ground more so they can score more points. And the fact that he's done this before for Gold Coast, he's a pre-season specialist and then it never really eventuates in the season. I still have my doubts on it, but
00:41:26
Speaker
He's done everything right this preseason so far to be an option in your team. I think if you can get some forward rookies like they are appearing, he may be one that you can fade, but he's still definitely an option at this point in time. Sean Darcy got through the game coming off a limited preseason. He had 68% CBAs and 80% time on ground, so it's not like he wasn't around the ball, but he was obviously just trying to get some run in the legs and he'll be better for it.
00:41:52
Speaker
I still think it's probably pretty difficult to pick him though after his managed pre-season. But he's still going to be an option moving forward. If you were hot on either Sarong or Brayshaw, they both did exactly what they needed to do. They both had the CBAs. Sarong's time on ground, 71%, a little bit concerning again, as that's normally what he sits around. But I'm sure that that'll ramp up a little bit as we come into the season. So once again, like I said, if you were hot on them before, there's no reason why you should be going away from them.
00:42:23
Speaker
And the last one I want to talk about is Tim Kelly. He's priced at 84, so because of what he's priced at, it makes him a serious option. He's gone at, I think, 99 before. Obviously, it is Geelong days, but he's just the last man standing in that Eagles midfield. He had 91% CBAs, so you just know he is going to be everywhere. He's going to be the main guy that they go through. I just worry that
00:42:48
Speaker
If they were going to shut someone down when they play the Eagles, it's Tim Kelly. Now, I don't think they're going to be that competitive this year. So teams might not bother running with a tag, but he is the guy that they shut down if he gets on top. So I find it hard to see teams tagging him and he's a good M4, M5 option. If cash is tight, I can, I can definitely see him pushing into the mid nineties and with potential to go even higher. So if we need to pay up in the midfield for some of those higher rookies and even in the forward line, he could be a cheaper option.
00:43:19
Speaker
Mate, that was a, that was a leak coverage on, on the West coast for a game. We'll have to get you to take some more of a status minutes. Do you notice that? Get some more Tom on ground for Kyle in our, um, in our first Q and a podcast next week. Um, Kelly Dossie real quick in homesy, uh, first two match ups. He's got the sons in North Melbourne too. So if you're talking about a hot start, uh, you might just get it there.
00:43:49
Speaker
Juicy. Juicy. That'd be a nice little pod. We had some breaking news as well and a guy that I totally whiffed on talking about in the GWSPires game. That's the sort of coverage that Dossie needs less time on ground. Braden Perus. He's one week. He's been offered a week by the by the tribe. Offered a one week suspension. Maynard two weeks with it and one week as well. So some breaking news there as well and Kruger as well for
00:44:18
Speaker
for Collinwood as well got offered one week. So few guys out there, but Proust the huge one, Louis.
Fantasy Strategy and Player Management
00:44:24
Speaker
Braden Proust, your boy, one week out for round one.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah, isn't it funny? And I saw that yesterday and I started figuring around with my team to what it would look like with Max Gorn at R2 if Perus did get suspended. So I'm ahead of the kerb at the moment and he's not in my team Perusi. So isn't it funny when news like that comes across your desk though?
00:44:48
Speaker
If you like Holmes in the, you've had Max Gorn and Grundy in there all pre-season. Oh, I get stuffed. I think it's a Van Solde season, is it not? All right, we're going to get to some questions, a late call up for questions because we had a little bit of time on our hands and gee, they're flying through as well on the Twitter sphere.
00:45:10
Speaker
at Pod Pod AFL for these ones. So, all right, the draft doctors want to know why did you curse Lipinski? Yeah, sorry about that, boys. The song does continue to have the curse. Toddy, is it too risky to go four rookies in the mid and lowest price defender at 450 to 500K? Can't see any defenders of value under that price. Kyle, what do you reckon on this one? Let's get you some time on ground.
00:45:39
Speaker
Yeah, I've toyed with it. I think you're going to be giving up too many points in the midfield, though, if you go the four rookies there. I think we're going to get the forward rookies and you're going to get a Josh Gibkus, even a Patti McCartan showed a little bit. They're not fantastic options, but I think you'll find, come round one, that there will be some options to put there. So I think try and get some rookies in your defence and forward line before you stack four in the midfield.
00:46:07
Speaker
with a lack of scoring defensive rookies available in the backline. Thoughts on Heath Chapman and Justin McInerney, who you did mention as well, stated before, as options. What do you reckon there? Heath Chapman, mind you, was a player that did come up in the faithful group chat that got shut down pretty quickly by the lads. Oh, look, I think it's a risky play.
00:46:29
Speaker
But I also think sometimes you need to take some risks. But look, at the end of the day, I think they need to be really smart calculated risk. So let's look at Chapman, for example. The kid looks like he's got some game. But at the moment, he's played two games against West Coast that are depleted.
00:46:50
Speaker
on decks that are big and they're just running the show. So there's no real knowledge of how he can go at the highest level. So his waffle average is 76.
00:47:07
Speaker
So if you ever look at stately, you want to sort of bring it down about 10, 15%. So would you be happy to pay 400K for someone dossy and get an average of 65? Look, his development looks like he's gone through the roof this year status. Yeah, possible. I said that there is
00:47:29
Speaker
You do need to take some risks. So we look at a change of role. So last year there was that great example where we got a 300K player as a forward who played in defence and averaged 80.
00:47:47
Speaker
Now they're the type of ones you go, that makes your season, that actually gets you in the running. So yes, a risk, but you can't have any more than one or two risks in your team, so you can pivot and correct within the first two, three weeks max. So if you take something on, just don't be stubborn and go, I'm going to wait this out 16 rounds to see if it comes off.
00:48:12
Speaker
It needs to be, if there's a risk, you take it, but you fix it early if it doesn't work, Dossie. And you can't have any more than two, Dossie. I keep saying Dossie because I just want to plan it in your head. You can't have 16 of my 30 squad being risky picks, Dossie. Are you getting me?
00:48:35
Speaker
I just heard you say that a forward player that averaged 80 as a defender was a winning pick last year and I just read in between the lines you just said pick Josh Battle. Louis, you had some say that too? Yeah, just something interesting out of that Freo game is they had 139 marks for the game and the comp average is a little bit closer down to 90 and if you look at some of those Freo players, none of them had eight marks or more which just isn't going to happen every week.
00:49:01
Speaker
They're certainly not going to win every week either, so take it with a grain of salt. He's a young player, not sure how much he's priced at, I assume in the 400s. Very low, it's 410 or something.
00:49:14
Speaker
Um, I do, I do want to say as well, just monitor very early in the season, uh, match ups versus West coast for your captain. See, let's have a look at that because they looked, I mean, my boys, my West coast boys look like they're spoon bound. So just monitor that as the new potential, uh, stream against as well in draft, uh, Hawker wants to know pre suspended as we've just heard any other options near the price, Louis Lynch, or is a complete restructure like you're looking at. Um, is that what's required?
00:49:42
Speaker
Avarn Soldo has shown that he can average 70, playing alongside Nankovis, so I think he's about 20k more. Lynch, I think that's just going to be a bit of an arm wrestle with Ned Reeves for the whole season. Then you start jumping up a bit, I think you get to Draper at about 450.
00:50:00
Speaker
Um, it's, it's become awkward. I think, uh, those with pros are now going to have to look at a bit of a restructure. Um, unless you really want to go down and start a team English in the forward line, but that's fraught with danger. Uh, like Kyle said on the Wednesday night, you're locked out as well. So, um, yeah, I'd be looking at a restructure, I think. Uh, Kyle, can we pay up for Ralph Smith as a utility with the likes of Brody Cherry and Rachele all putting their hands up?
00:50:29
Speaker
Yeah, it obviously depends what rookies we get named one, but absolutely, I don't have anything against paying up a little bit more to get rookies on the bench if they're actually going to be the best rookies available at the end of the day. There's no point paying $190K for a rookie if they're just going to get dropped or not score, so we still need them generating cash.
00:50:47
Speaker
We had this question, Louis just answered part of it. I might just ask you again, Kyle, here, because there's a couple asking the same thoughts. Thoughts on English in the forward line, but some were talking about Proust's backup, but he mustn't have heard the news yet. But thoughts on getting him... Oh, this is another thought. Thoughts on playing Tim English at R2 and swinging forward once Proust returns. So rolling with Proust on the bench for round one. Kyle.
00:51:14
Speaker
So I couldn't get behind that because there's no guarantee that Proust is even going to get named to come around to now. Obviously he was fighting with Matt Flynn for that number one spot and we've heard Louis' thoughts that he thought Proust was ahead but you just can't guarantee that now so I can't get behind that as a play. Banana Fritters for you Stado. Thoughts on starting Simpkin after he didn't pass the eye test? He was pretty woeful for a lot of that game.
00:51:43
Speaker
Yeah, didn't he miss the week before? So there might be something to it. So he might be managing or just coming back from something. So look, you want people that have had a strong and I would say uninterrupted preseason. So that's the preference. So if there's any little red flags that maybe they've had some injury concerns, I'll just avoid.
00:52:09
Speaker
And anyone that's played footy knows that when you put in the work, you get the return. And sometimes it's out of your control. So if you're having surgery post-season and it takes a long time to get back and you only start training in January and February, that's an interrupted pre-season. I always stay off from that. You talk about brown lows.
00:52:32
Speaker
And Ollie Wines is a classic example of that. If you remember listening to Kenny Boy and he doesn't keep secrets, God bless him. He does annoy us a bit, but he doesn't keep secrets. But he said Ollie Wines has put in the best season, pre-season ever. His work rate is fantastic. He told us honestly, and he went out and won a brown low. That's why any red flag, just a void. So the answer is move on.
00:52:59
Speaker
All right, quick, last one each year we'll go, um, Louis mules, could you do it or too risky? He had, so just for context, for people that didn't see the game, he absolutely dominated, but just played very, very little time on ground. So his score was 86. He had 15 disposals, five marks and eight tackles in what was it? 40% time on ground, I think.
00:53:22
Speaker
Look, mate, not with an Achilles. They're a young side. They're going to be building their mid build around Callum Mills for the next five, six, seven years. They're not going to risk him any sort of inkling of soreness. He'll be rested. I think you just put it in the pocket for a bit of an upgrade target, maybe later on in the season if you're showing enough. But in terms of a starting option, it's just fraught with danger. A couple of short ones for you here, Kyle. What do you think about Millerer? Ye or nay after apparently a decent return at sample level?
00:53:53
Speaker
Now we just go back to that number one rule that I said in the pot a few weeks ago. You need to see it first and you can't pick him after not seeing him at AFL level for two years.
00:54:02
Speaker
And from Hayden, great name. Thoughts on running four rookies on field in the midfield. Does it hurt scoring ceiling too much? Yeah, we touched on that before. I think you're going to be giving up too many points from teams that can get five premiums in there. So pass for me at the moment, unless we don't get the rookies named, but just plan as though we will for now and then adjust later.
00:54:24
Speaker
And the final one for you, Stado, it's just a name, Tristan Cherry. So let's just go by the fact it is your rule, f-ing one, which is green dots on the field. He gets the green dot round one. Are you starting Tristan Cherry? Probably, yes. Depending on where he's named. If there's three tools, I'll pull back a little bit. If there's only two. But we're after rookie-priced players. He's a rookie-priced player.
00:54:54
Speaker
Perfect. All right, Stado, will you and I still have some work to do later on tonight after watching the Gold Coast Geelong game? But lads, Kyle and Louis, thanks very much for joining us and looking forward to a full season together on the Pod Pod. And starting with a big Q&A session next Monday ahead of round one on Wednesday. So really looking forward to that and some great insights going forward. Thanks lads. Cheers, Dossie. Thanks, mate.
Game Analysis: Gold Coast vs Geelong
00:55:26
Speaker
All right, and we're back. Stado, what a ripping affair watching some late night Gold Coast Geelong game. Your power went out about half time and you missed the second half, which probably, you know, did yourself a favor there and didn't have to watch too much more. But it's actually, you know, it was a pretty enjoyable game to watch in terms of the intensity was actually pretty high for a preseason game, at least from the Gold Coast's end. But we'll go through our five takeaways now. And do you want to take us through a couple there, Stado?
00:55:56
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'll start off with the main talking point is that everyone talking about how worried they were whether Manny Rao can come back. Well, he's back. He just looked great. Fair to say, look, he's an inside bull. He's not this
00:56:16
Speaker
athletic beast that's going to break records over 100 metres. But he's back to his best physical. He's getting the hard contests. He's got enough fitness to get out and create a bit of space for himself too. So quite impressive. And you only have to look at the spread of his scoring, which was 29, 20, 29 and 23.
00:56:43
Speaker
across the quarters. So that's really solid scoring map. So that's quite impressive. So at, I think it's only 464. Look, he's just a bargain. We needed to see this because people were talking about him having the old concrete boots during that practice game, but he looked really good here.
00:57:06
Speaker
I think that, that might've been me in the group. Yeah, it was you. That's why I mentioned it. Yeah. Well, uh, it did look like a bit concrete booty last week, but, um, yeah, to be fair, in the trial game, I didn't see a whole heap of that and just saw his movements. And, um, you know, at times he, at times it's a bit Rob-esque, not with the way his legs wipe out.
00:57:26
Speaker
Just the way the move counts, but anyway, he looked, like he said, fantastic tonight. And if you did have any doubts about him, I only wavered for a moment, Stado. I've been on board the centre bounce attendances. It's his second week. I think he didn't have a mark or had one mark last week. He had zero this week as well. But you don't worry about that when he's going to get every single centre bounce just about on offer.
00:57:49
Speaker
And something Louie actually pointed out to us, I think close to the halfway point, he was on about 95% time on ground at that point as well. So, Stewie G really giving him some run through the legs and yeah, great, great signs from Matt Rau, so we don't need to talk much more about him, you just lock him in your side at this point after seeing that. I'll just, I'll quickly talk about the other
00:58:11
Speaker
Another guy that's just at Uber premium price and took Miller looked like he is just going to continue doing what he did last year. 134 in this game, nine tackles, 32 disposals, a couple of snags. He's an unbelievable fantasy player at this point, but the price for you Stata, you can't do it at that price. I mean, he's going to perform week in, week out.
00:58:37
Speaker
I want a captain option and actually I want multiple captain options when you look at that so at the moment McRae is sitting there but the the two boys are on the same buy so it fits my structure and it's only an extra 50k so I have to have a look at it because his matchup against West Coast is reasonably exciting at the moment which
00:59:00
Speaker
Be interesting to see your thoughts, Dossie. Will West Coast tag now they're sort of struggling a little bit for their midfield numbers? What? It's a good take, but it's also like, why would we? I feel like we're just going to be.
00:59:19
Speaker
As a fan, I don't know if this is just my butt hurt fandom, but I feel like we're just, we're spoon bound regardless. I don't know why you'd tag. I think you'd just go and see what you've got from a few young kids and stuff. Isn't that what the sort of bottom teams do and those good teams that want to be bottom teams like GWS? Did North tag last year? Was that a bit harsh?
00:59:41
Speaker
No, but I think they're coming from a different philosophy. The Gold Coast tag. Would they try and limit, would they try and limit? I see what you're saying. Well, Took was tagging, mate. That was Took's original world. Yeah, I do see what you're saying. I'd wait until further notice on that one. I don't think they're going to be too. Yeah, I suppose the only guys that would be doing that is like Xavier O'Neill's and stuff. And I think they're fringe at the moment anyway. West?
01:00:10
Speaker
I don't think so. We'll have to wait and see because it depends who's named in the best 22 as well. Other than that though. I'll certainly look at it because he looks fantastic. He hasn't lost anything.
01:00:27
Speaker
I think he was, he was the highest average. Do you think he can, like, is he one of these guys that, you know, he can be, he can be tagged on occasion, but he's one of these guys that most of the time he'll break it because of his work rates, just ridiculous. And he can tackle the other way too. So if you tag him, he's going to be tackling you right back.
01:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, very true. I just want to talk about a few. It's just ones to watch now because there was a number of Geelong rookies that were actually quite exciting in this game just in terms of the main thing that's exciting is that they're all 190k just about. So we had Sam DeConning who kind of stood up and another player that Louis in the group chat was quite excited about seeing him actually, you know, it looks like he's going to have
01:01:12
Speaker
a solid roll back there, which is probably what you're looking for, especially in rookies, not going to be a super high scorer. I think Stado, you broke down his first half, the second half. His first half was very promising. And then I think he scored about a 16 in the second half. What did he finish on 70 though? So he did score the 70. He got 19 disposals, five marks, two tackles, a big 204 centimeter key forward listed, but he was playing in defense. So
01:01:39
Speaker
You know at 190k I think potentially he might have a little bit of job security for John. He looked really good out there. He did look good. I only saw him in the first half and obviously he was getting a lot of the pill then. But I will say his history does not say fantasy scorers. So talking about an average of 50 right through his junior career and when he's pushing back
01:02:04
Speaker
as well into the state load competition. So we just need to be mindful of that. So I think the 16 in the second half is a bit more likely of what he's going to score. So if you turn around and say between 40 and 50, he's probably going to be his average. He will still make us a bit of the coin, but look, I don't want a 40 on my field. So I've got to try and find that way. I don't think Gibkus is any
01:02:31
Speaker
better so it's probably why I'm looking to spend a little bit more cash in the defensive line because you're actually saying right now there's some decent rookies in the midfield and some very promising ones although they might be a little bit more riskier in the forward line as well so I'm looking at probably six rookies or six rookie price players
01:02:59
Speaker
And I think those six rookie price players will effectively be three in defence and three in the midfield. Sorry, three in forward line and three in the midfield.
01:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, and again, Geelong very much so seemed like this was just a bit of a trial for them, not trying anything too seriously close to their best 22 as well. They had a few out. So for Chris Scott, I just don't trust him. Even Dangerfield's language after the game. Oh, you know, we're just trying a few things here and there. So I think he also spent a little bit more time forward in this game than he probably did in the previous week. He still had, you know, up there with the top center bounce of 10 days as well, which is promising. But
01:03:41
Speaker
little bit of low, lower time on ground and he was forward at times. So just one to watch if you're, I mean, if you're keen on danger, I don't think he's done anything that would disappoint you in this game. He wasn't, like I said, it seemed like he was in second or even third gear in this one. And when he switched. How do you go with danger? He's burnt me quite a few times. I know, I know like Holmes, he's a bit keen on him. Of course. I'm,
01:04:10
Speaker
I don't know, it's tough. It's probably something the smart coaches do and I tend to go away from it. I just don't like...
01:04:19
Speaker
The older players who have burnt you in the past and who you're not 100% sold that they're going to stay in that fantasy friendly role, or even whether they've still got that in them to do what they've done in the past. You know, he's 31 or 32 now, is he? I see the value, but I also see the risk.
01:04:41
Speaker
I just see so much value around there as well and even cheaper that it kind of just makes me think, can I find more value? And, you know, that's when Dossie's brain goes wild and things of all the old movies. Same, same. I won't spend too much time. We spent enough time, I think, but I just want to touch on maybe two looser, looser players. And I will say these are your pods, but Zach Guthrie, God.
01:05:03
Speaker
He's probably, he's probably, he's probably a draft player. He is 500k. Tom Stewart, obviously not in the side, who's their big ball winner out of defence, but that's two games in a row. He looked awesome last week. Didn't put the score necessarily up. I think he got in the seventies, but Dossie's eye test. Sherlock Dossie was on the case for that one, said he's looking fantastic. Comes out for a 92 in this game. He does look like he's much improved this year. So I think he'll still stay in the team regardless of Stewart and potentially put up some good scores, but yeah, probably more a draft play.
01:05:33
Speaker
The one guy that actually I think if you are keen on him you would be very keen on him still is Noah Anderson only the 79 fantasy points but he had five for his against he came off with a bit of a cramp late in the game didn't finish out the game but
01:05:49
Speaker
He looked like electric in there and looked like he could really be lifting his game seriously this year. So no answer, only score the 79 in the end. But if you were going for that pod, if you if you're really going for it this year and you just go on those pods, then he still hasn't ruled himself out as an option. But I won't be starting with him. I'm just saying he he showed a bit tonight as well.
01:06:10
Speaker
Well, that'll do it, I reckon. We've stayed up pretty late to get this last bit out. I appreciate you staying up. Even with the power outage, you managed to get the podcast fired up for this second half. But this was our final episode, of course, in the preseason series that we've done for Pod Pod. So if you have enjoyed what you've listened to, obviously we've now added Kyle to the mix for going into the in-season, which we're incredibly excited about.
Podcast Season Expectations
01:06:32
Speaker
All you have to do is become a silver or a gold member of the keeper league.
01:06:37
Speaker
Um, and that'll be, there'll be a link in the description for that. Or you just go to keep a league pod.com.au. You gain weekly access to our, you know, our weekly, um, in season podcast, the pod pod. Uh, and you also get access to, this is just in addition to the pod pod, you get access to advance and events, attendance analysis, you get state league fantasy scores. So you can see who's coming up for your next rookies.
01:07:00
Speaker
You get draft day analysis if you haven't picked your rookies yet and you want to know a bit more about their junior scoring, we've got that as well. And just plenty more as well. If you're into your capable leg drafts as well, there's obviously a lot of stuff there, the breakout tracker, the list goes on. So there's a lot of stuff on there for you to do. But Stado, from the pod pods point of view, what can the fans of the pod pod look forward to this year?
01:07:22
Speaker
Well, look, at the end of the day, you can have a poor start, be in 25,000th position, struggling along, but you can actually catch up and you can catch up quickly. And this is all about the trade theories. So actually going through the trades of the week, the best options, keeping the eye out. And when you've got
01:07:47
Speaker
Holmsey who's obviously a top 10 finisher twice, Louis who just missed out on the cap and then my decrepit old thoughts. It's a great opportunity to actually just have a little bit of an insight and
01:08:02
Speaker
think a little bit differently. So the reality, what actually happens is we listen to all these podcasts and we start to get group think and everyone actually all goes the same direction because they see the hot thing. We'll actually go really in depth and actually talk about the reasons of why we're going a little bit different from the crowd.
01:08:24
Speaker
and what we're trying to create from it. And it's all about timing, it's all about structure and of course there'll be this little trigger point when I start indicating these are the great buy picks. So setting up your team for the buys as we're actually getting into that little mid-season groove
01:08:41
Speaker
where people just start to get sucked into trying to play the break-even game and really destroy their structure for when it comes to the most important leap. And I'm always a great believer, you try to finish your squad and that's why I've got that structure set up at the start.
01:09:02
Speaker
You try to finish a squad heading into the buys with a really good structure. You leap a heap of positions and you roll out with no rookies on the field and all set to go bang and chase that cap.
01:09:19
Speaker
Love it mate and I'm looking forward to another big year with The Mighty Statesman as well. So yeah, can't wait to start up. Next week we'll be doing a Monday show and that's going to be largely the Q&A type stuff, which we love doing as well. So that'll be much more of a round table style Q&A session to really get us going right before round one.
01:09:37
Speaker
Looking forward to seeing you all there. Make sure you join the official Pod Pod AFL Fantasy Group. That's free for everyone to join that one. So even if you're not part of the part of the crew, jump in there and join the Pod Pod community. We'll be trying to do a bit of stuff on there as well. So join in. Good luck and we'll see you next week, hopefully.