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Walking Dead Lawsuit
16 Plays3 years ago
We talk about the AMC Networks settlement with Frank Darabount.
Here are some of the links for reference
Rage Emails
https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/frank-darabont-walking-dead-emails-rage-boils-over-1202494598/amp/
Original 2013 lawsuit
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/fired-walking-dead-creator-frank-666176/
Settlement
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/amc-darabont-walking-dead-settlement-1234983716/
TV's Future
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/frank-darabont-walking-dead-settlement1234985385-1234985385/
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Preview
00:00:15
Speaker
for real all right welcome to freight central i'm doc and i'm back here again with kec how you doing buddy i'm all right man what's going on with you
00:00:23
Speaker
Not much. I think this is just going to be our news heavy episode since we didn't do a news episode last week.
Fear Street Trilogy and Pop-Up Event Discussion
00:00:32
Speaker
I mean, I did watch all three of the fear street movies. I don't know if you were able to. Yeah, I got I got them all. I was like I was hanging out with a few people and they had already seen all of them. And I mean, they told me that they were like really good.
00:00:46
Speaker
I just didn't want to like make them like re-watch everything with me. I have them all and I plan to watch them over the next couple of days. Yeah I mean they were. I guess it doesn't help us now but I heard it. I heard pretty decent things. Yeah I would say they're okay. I mean maybe worth a watch. I like how it's like three movies and they were all kind of tied together. I mean they were all tied together. It was one huge story and I like how they dropped them week to week.
00:01:09
Speaker
And yeah, so I thought that was neat. And then being a couple of friends that I do like horror stuff with out here in LA, there was a pop up in on Melrose where they did like a haunted like walkthrough and it was like designed like a video store. So you went in and you like they had the old, you know, box computers like you would sign up for for like a rental membership. Yeah. And they had us like putting our emails and stuff and they gave us a little rental card and we got a tote bag at the end.
00:01:36
Speaker
And because we gave them our email because they had like cameras set up that were that they sent us like a couple pictures. And so you basically walk through this little like video store and then there's like a couple scenes from each of the movie.
00:01:49
Speaker
And then like, it was, it was real short, but, but, but it was free. So it was like, and we got some free shit. So whatever it was. And it was running from like, um, July 9th, I think. Uh, it was like every day for a few hours. And then along the weekend, I think it was like six or seven hours, but like they were like you, like when I, we went on Sunday, like it was already like, they weren't allowing any more people in at like 11 30.
00:02:17
Speaker
And it was like only open like one to eight. They were like giving out wristbands and telling people to come back at like certain times. Like, and we had like waiting like this long ass line. I don't think it was worth it. They stopped letting people in like before noon.
00:02:30
Speaker
Yeah, but like it didn't even open to one. And they were like already like, nah, we're already at capacity for the entire day. And like, I had friends like drove from the Valley on, they came down Friday. Cause we were going to try to go like later at night and they were like, nah, like people had been here at like three 30 in the afternoon. Cause it didn't open to like, Oh no, I guess it opened up. Um.
00:02:51
Speaker
I think it opened at like three and they said people were there like all morning, like Friday, like getting in line for that shit. Yeah, your friends should probably like call. They're like anticipated. There was no like phone number to call. It was just like a pop
Social Media and Film Industry Insights
00:03:05
Speaker
up. There was like no advertising. The only way I found out was because there was like, I just happened to stop at a stop at a stoplight and look over and there was like a building under construction and there was a poster.
00:03:14
Speaker
and I thought it was posted from the movie but then I saw like it was there was like an address and stuff and there was like a few dates and I was like let me go home and look this up and like and then as soon as I had like shared it to one of my friends they're like yeah we didn't hear about this either then they said they saw like some TikTok video that blew up and like that's how everyone heard about it. Well I've never actually watched anything on TikTok before I just feel like I can't
00:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I see whatever videos people post through Facebook, but like, I'm not on TikTok. Like, so, but I think it's just the new vine, which I never paid attention to anyway, uh, before. So like, it's not really like, there's too much new social media stuff that I don't really pay attention to. I mean, I should, especially if I'm doing this podcast, I should start, uh, you know, promoting it more, but I mean, get around to it at one point.
00:04:06
Speaker
Yeah, I really don't even know like what Instagram is, to be honest with you, like Facebook, but it's just pictures. Yeah, I don't know. My minor says he gets like all his news from there, like he's like, oh, I get all my news from Instagram where other people post like their sick fuck shit. And I'm like, yeah, bro, I got to tell you, like, that's like what they're saying is like kind of wrong with the world right now.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah. But anyway, yes. So on the news front, Tarantino on one of his many appearances recently because he's promoting the Once Upon A Time in Hollywood book that he has out, which I hear is different than the movie and is and is really good. But on his tour, he one of the I forget which one I heard it on because he's been doing so many interviews lately. But I didn't know he had a book.
00:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, he he basically adapted the screenplay for the movie, but he, you know, expanded a lot of characters and stuff like that. And it's been getting really good reviews. So I saw him recently on he was oh, he was a Bill Morris first guest. Was he not talking about the book? I don't I just remember like Bill Maher was giving him a hard time about retiring.
00:05:28
Speaker
And like they talked about like a lot of different things. Like he talked about like how he they were talking about like the possible remake of Reservoir Dogs or something like that. And like how Tarantino like Bill Maher just brought this up out of his ass. He's like, well, what if you made, you know, me remade Reservoir Dogs? Don't you think you could have made it like even like like a hundred times better or something and fucking Tarantino is like it's funny you mentioned that I was thinking about like my finale.
00:05:58
Speaker
was remaking reservoir dogs, but that's like, I don't remember. I don't know. Maybe I just start like thinking about that because I know Quentin Tarantino was retiring.
00:06:08
Speaker
So he's been talking about it for years. Like I want he's like, I want to do anything he says. Like I watch his movies and like I don't pay attention to him at all because I find him like kind of eccentric. Yeah. I mean, it's really fascinating if you want like to get really into like deep dive like movies and horror movies and stuff like that. Like listen to some like of his podcast where he's just talking to somebody else about like movies and shit like that. Like his memory is so fucking good.
00:06:34
Speaker
I have no idea. He does seem to kind of capture things in his mind pretty fucking well. Yeah. Like, yeah, he and he's able to like, like relive the experience, like with a lot of detail when he does talk about. But yeah, it's weird. I don't remember him mentioning that he had a book. Maybe I just like zoned out and didn't hear that part. But yeah, I didn't know that. So he's got a book.
00:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, he's got a book. But while he was promoting the book, he also had mentioned that he had bought the Vista Theater on Sunset and Los Feliz. It's like a historic theater over here in LA. And he already owns the new Beverly. And now he just bought the Vista. And he says they're going to make some renovations, but he wants to keep it like 35 millimeter.
00:07:27
Speaker
It's still going to show new movies, but they are going to have like some independence thing. It's not going to be the same thing as the new because the new Beverly just plays like, you know, classic older films, all 35 millimeter and stuff like that. This one's still going to play some new movies and stuff like that. So I think they plan on opening it next year.
00:07:49
Speaker
yeah because they just they just reopened the new bev actually I don't even know if they've reopened the new bev yet I haven't looked but because I just saw that they were uh that the new beverly was hiring uh recently so I'm not sure I mean this this would be a good time to do renovations and things like that like if you had some downtime like you know I mean like
00:08:09
Speaker
things are still like pretty fucked up, especially in like Southern California right now. So I mean, this is a good time to do those types of renovations. Open fresh next year. Hope for a good turnout.
AMC's Theater Monopoly Concerns
00:08:22
Speaker
Yeah, speaking of renovations, AMC really has bounced back from their bankruptcy recently because they are and they've just bought out the Pacific Grove, which is a really popular theater over here and the Americana theaters in Glendale, which are two of the biggest theaters. They were both owned by Pacific. You know, they were, you know, the Pacific theater group that went completely
00:08:48
Speaker
under, you know, they went belly up completely. So all those theaters are available now. And so they've just announced a deal this past week that they are they are buying it out and they're going to open it open it up next week. Sorry, not next week, next month, I think, like end of August. And they said it's going to they're doing renovations as well. And they're going to include they're going to add like IMAX theaters into both of those.
00:09:15
Speaker
Cause that's like, I would have, I would have rather them not do that. Like them remain independent. Like I really don't like the AMC is able to do shit like that. Well, I mean, Pacific was, was, was a chain as well, but yeah, I would have liked them to be like an independent, like, yeah, but I, exactly. I just think the more, the merrier, like the more competition to like have a better setting to view film in, like.
00:09:39
Speaker
the better you know i mean like i don't like the monopoly amc has on everything however i am glad that they bounced back like i was never voting for them to fail i was saying if they did fail.
00:09:54
Speaker
it would be kind of cool if like um movie theaters came became like entrepreneurial again where like there'd be like mom pop theaters yeah that's all i was hoping for you know because i never thought that the theater was going to die i just thought amc was going to die and i was trying to make the point that if amc died
00:10:17
Speaker
then like the theaters would still live on and it might be kind of like cool to see what happened at that point. But now that they did bounce back like that's cool but they bounce back
00:10:32
Speaker
do to like some fucking crazy ass shit like that thing that happened on the reddit yeah this is like some like unprecedented like to the markets type shit like like i don't know man like this is like making a deal with katulu or something like that
00:10:54
Speaker
Going back because they were done. They were fucking like things had gone like as bad as they could possibly. I thought they were going to like I didn't think they were going to go like completely away like Pacific theaters did, but I thought they were going to have to sell off like a lot of their a lot of their leaders like I did not think that they were going to come back in force as they were. And it seems like they've pretty much like recovered everything they had lost.
00:11:23
Speaker
And they're actually now gaining round, which is just fucking nuts, like compared to where they were like that. Yeah. Like this time, like last year and even past that, like last like November, like, you know what I mean? Like they were talking about like folding up by the end of the year.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yeah, I had heard that before the end of December, like AMC was pretty much going to announce that they're going half the liquidate. And like, not only was I wrong, like some crazy fucking shit happened. And now they're back better than ever, which is just ridiculous
Frank Darabont vs AMC: Legal Battle Over The Walking Dead
00:12:05
Speaker
to me. But hey, that's cool.
00:12:07
Speaker
Yeah, I mean the the Pacific one is actually really close to me and it's great that they're going to put an IMAX theater there so I don't have to like you know hop on the train to go up to a universal because that's the closest IMAX for me.
00:12:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, well, that's what's most important. I can just ride my bike over there or hop on one of them scooters if I wanted to. Ultimately, that's what it comes to. And I don't have to pay extra because I already have that AMC stubs deal. So like another AMC for me, I'm happy with that. Everything's looking up dark.
00:12:43
Speaker
Yeah, that's all I got for the news. Those were just the two main ones. I mean, there's obviously plenty of other ones, but I really wanted to get to our main story tonight, which is the Frank Derembont versus AMC settlement that was just announced on Friday.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah, which again, um, doesn't seem like it's gotten the type of coverage that I thought it was going to get, uh, being that it was such a large settlement, but why don't you talk about like what actually happened?
00:13:17
Speaker
Well, should we start at the beginning or start at the end? Well, uh, do you want me to just like, maybe like just read a random email, like every like 10 minutes while we're dealing with the past? I mean, that worked out well, like just started off in his words. Let's just start it off in his words. Okay. Well, why don't we just start off with like.
00:13:42
Speaker
Just saying. Let's go back. We're going to start with, in case people don't know, Frank Derembont was the one who had, he had originally brought the, he had found the comic book, like hit up Kirkman. Kirkman was really excited to do it. They brought it to NBC, I believe first, and then they had declined and then he brought it to AMC. So like he was heavily involved. Like they had like, you know,
00:14:16
Speaker
There was a lot of problems that went on from there. I think most I think most fans of The Walking Dead kind of like know, even if like they don't follow like behind the scenes stuff, I think most people know who he is and like what he meant to. I mean, he's the one that created the show. He's the one that brought the show to AMC. Yeah, the ones that he he I mean, if it wasn't for him, this would have never come together.
00:14:37
Speaker
contracts and stuff.
00:14:45
Speaker
And let's just start off. This is when things started to kind of go downhill. I'm just going to lead off with this, OK? Well, yeah. Well, let's get some context to this. Like he was starting to have some problems with the writers and the producers of AMC. So there were some emails that he sent out to, you know, that are now online.
00:15:12
Speaker
and are available because he started this lawsuit like 2013. His words really just explain what's going on better than anything else. So, yeah, there were obviously he made what I thought was a very impressive first season. I had already I was already on my thing of saying before The Walking Dead, I was like, you know, I think the zombie thing is being played out like I had heard that they were going to start this show. I
00:15:42
Speaker
learned a little bit because people had told me they're like, yeah, this is going to be different, man. They were like, you should check this out. Like there's these graphic novels and like they're very impressive. And people had told me, do you know the guy that did Shawshank is doing it. And I was like, oh, really? And they're like, yeah, like it's a small first season. It's only going to be six episodes. Like you really I think you should give it a shot. I think you like it. And I watched it and I did like it.
00:16:11
Speaker
Um, I thought the first season of Walking Dead was like executed really well. And they didn't have like a lot of the huge names or anything like that. So like, like, I wasn't sure what to expect, but I, I really, really liked it. Um, I thought it was like a well-told story. Um, you know, uh, they didn't hold your hand. Like they didn't explain everything, but like, that's like exactly what I was looking for.
00:16:37
Speaker
And the characters were very well-written and like everybody just seemed to like come together. And I really liked how, you know, I really liked how they did the jump. Like when, you know, oh, I, we already talked about The Walking Dead. So I'm not going to go too into it. The bottom line is to make a long story much shorter. I really liked the first season. I liked the Darren Bob season. And after the first season, you could tell that like,
00:17:07
Speaker
Something happened to like, yeah, like you could quickly tell if you were not following what was going on behind the scenes with AMC. Just like Jesus.
00:17:22
Speaker
Just by just sorry. Just by, just by watching this. You know you could tell that like something major had transpired, and it was not for the better. So, before continuing on this is right.
00:17:41
Speaker
while the second season was starting to go under initial filming. I think they were in pre-production at the time. Yeah. When his first email came out because the show came out in 2010. So this was like July 2010, his first email. Yeah, I just want it. Yes, this was June 14th. June, sorry. 2011 at 10 39 p.m.
00:18:08
Speaker
And the email is addressed to Gail and Heard and others. Okay. And just starts off like really eloquent. Guys and girls. I am in a state of absolute boiling rage right now.
00:18:25
Speaker
I just I just kept the niece on the phone for 20 minutes, making her listen to me scream. I hope she conveys to you what the tenor of it because you need to grasp my fury. I have been I have never been a screamer, but I am now the work being done on this episode has turned me into one. Congratulations.
00:18:51
Speaker
you all accomplished what I thought was impossible you've turned me into a raging asshole thanks a lot you fuckers now let me just say before like getting any more into it like that is like one of the more tame
00:19:08
Speaker
coherent and like reasonable emails. That's not even the full email too. There's still more. Oh yeah, I'm just saying like that is like starting off like that is like basically like one of the more composed and reasonable
00:19:28
Speaker
non hostile emails that he wrote, you know what I mean so like, I think, um, you know, we could just go from there, you don't want to just read the next part where it says, everybody, especially our directors better wake the fuck up and pay attention or I will start killing people and throwing bodies out the door.
00:19:46
Speaker
Well, I'm looking at, I'm looking at two. I don't think we're both looking at this exact thing. This is the same email. Fuck all you for giving me chest pains because of the staggering fucking incompetence blindness to the important beats and to end the beyond arrogant lack of regard.
00:20:03
Speaker
for what is written being exhibited on set every day. I desire better than a heart attack because people are too stupid to read a script and understand the words. Does anybody disagree with me? Then join the C cam operator and go find another job that doesn't involve deliberately fucking up my show scene by scene. That's the full email. I will post the this is from variety dot com. I will post this to the Facebook and to the link of the show as well.
00:20:30
Speaker
Well, the next one I have is like a little over a month later, it's to a man named Ben Davis. And that's actually back in time because that's July 21st, 2010. The email that you just read is from June 14th, 2011.
00:20:51
Speaker
Yeah, so I don't know why they posted it that way. Yeah, I'm not sure they didn't. I just saw that as well. They didn't post it in the correct order. I'm not sure. Yeah. Let me know. Let me look at the other emails and make sure like that's the only one that was kind of out of place.
00:21:07
Speaker
Okay, yeah. No, actually, that's the next email I have after that one, actually is a day earlier. That's June 13, not the 14th. And yeah, but I mean, like the other like the second one's like a year before the other one, at least is only like a day.
00:21:26
Speaker
You know what I mean? I'm just not sure why they didn't put the emails in chronological order or numerical order. You know what I mean? So that was actually the third email that we just read. Yeah. Well, at least the one they released. Who knows if there's other ones.
00:21:46
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, though, I'm looking at the one that was a year earlier in 2010 to a man named Ben Davis. And yeah, I mean, that's actually. Yeah, I mean, it's what we shouldn't have read that one first, because, yeah, this is a year earlier. And to this man on Ben Davis on July 21st, 2010, it's after midnight. It says it's. Well, yeah, they they kept it like very detailed. Yeah.
00:22:13
Speaker
no this obviously was involved in the court case it said please stop invoking the writers room there is is capitalized no writers room which you all know as well as i do i am the writers room the fucking assholes
00:22:31
Speaker
Lazy fucking assholes. Lazy fucking assholes who are supposedly going to be my showrunners through that responsibility on me after wasting five months of my time. If it were up to me, I'd have only fired... Who's that? I'd have not only fired Chick Eagles and Jack Lagunzi,
00:22:52
Speaker
when they handed me the worst episode. Yeah, I then hunted them down and fucking killed them with a brick. That's very, very specific. Thank God and burn their down their homes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then he goes, I haven't been spoken to those worthless, countless hacks on some bitches since that their draft was phoned in after five months of all their big talk and promises.
00:23:23
Speaker
that they dig deep and have my back covered. They didn't have my back. They ram knives into it. So, yeah, I mean, it goes on professional shows. Yeah, I'm not going to like... Yeah, I'll post all these scripts so we can like, I mean, all the emails. There's at least two other... No, I see one other email.
00:23:47
Speaker
Yeah, there are there. No, don't get me wrong. Like I read through like some more of these like a lot of time he is being professional and he is just expressing like I just want to be clear because people have made like
00:24:03
Speaker
a really big deal over these emails, which they should, because he basically does go into psychotic grants, where, you know, I'm sorry, like, I don't care what the fuck was going on set, like, you're not supposed to be talking to your people like this, like, if you have like a fucking
00:24:22
Speaker
that big of a problem like you need to sit down with the money people and you need to say like look i'm giving you an ultimatum it's them or me like if you have that big of a problem like he's like he goes into like psychotic rants
00:24:37
Speaker
multiple times. Now there are like, you know, he obviously emailed bad people every single day. And I'm going to say probably like 99% of his emails were like professional, like not talking about killing human being emails. But the ones where he did talk about killing human beings were like really detailed and disturbing.
00:25:04
Speaker
So I mean, as much as like, you know, I want to, you know, kind of like bash AMC for what they did. And we'll get into that in a minute. He's got a bear. You're not supposed to fucking know like that. I'm sorry. That is grounds for termination.
00:25:23
Speaker
Like, you know, I mean, like, you know, like, I don't care what he says or how upset they had gotten them. If he was like that upset, he could have apologized and come back and like been like, well,
00:25:36
Speaker
Um, I got really upset. I'm now under psychiatric supervision on medication. Um, I want to make it clear that I don't plan to go to your house and like murder you and rape your wife and then burn you all alive. Oh, he said rape your wife anywhere.
00:25:57
Speaker
He really, he really, he did talk, there is something about burning people. Well, we just read it. He said I would kill them with a brick and then go burn their homes. Yeah. And killing them with a, you know, bashing and then burning their homes so that like, not only are they dead,
00:26:17
Speaker
Everything they've ever had is now wiped off the face of the earth like that guy from glory talking about burning this town Like you know, I mean like he absolutely lost it like, you know, there's no you know, I don't know whether or not like Well, no, he wasn't justified to go on this psychotic unless there's something that like never was like really um
00:26:47
Speaker
talked about like nothing that ever came out that AMC was like doing to him like behind the scenes like if unless there's something we really don't know about that like you know they were doing to him that was just so fucked up like I just can't imagine what that could possibly be to lose your shit that hardcore so um he got fired
00:27:12
Speaker
Yeah, after that. And after a lot of apparently he was also like holding up like turning his writing. And he was like trying to hold up the project because he was so displeased with the work. So on top of that, the emails and, you know, all the other drama that was on the AMC decided to part ways with him. And this was early in
00:27:41
Speaker
or now.
00:27:43
Speaker
were episodes from season two airing while he was still actively employed? Or did this happen after only a few episodes had been created and before season two even aired? That July 10th one is definitely like pre-production of season two, but those 2011 ones, they definitely sound like, I don't know, because it said like the episode three script.
00:28:12
Speaker
That'd be episode three of season two that he was involved in so yeah, I definitely think that was still pre production it sounded like, and because I mean some of them go on and they're talking about actually shooting like some of the emails talk about the Oh, like, we have to reshoot all of this. This is fucking shit, like,
00:28:30
Speaker
Yeah, I heard him mentioning one scene with Shane. He refers to his character. He's like, one scene with Shane, blah, blah, blah. This is bullshit. And he talks about there being a little bit of it that's salvageable. But he's like, I want to be clear. It's very minuscule. There's very few shots out of this whole thing that we can use. He's talking about needing to reshoot the entire episode.
00:28:57
Speaker
All kinds of crap. So anyway, yeah, so they part it with him right around the time that season two was coming out with fresh episodes. And I guess they part it with him.
00:29:13
Speaker
in terms of like actually producing those episodes, I think it was within the first five or six episodes is when he, so he, that was, I think season two was 14 episodes. So before half the episodes were produced, he was out, like he had been pretty much terminated and exiled.
00:29:35
Speaker
Yeah, and the lawsuit was basically over like what he is owed and you know because like a lot of times like it's not just like you're you're paid to do that job like since he brought it to them He gets all the backend stuff so he was suing them because he was like hey you guys have undersold this like this is in my contract you've completely undersold this to me you guys owe me fucking money and
00:30:02
Speaker
yeah so he was originally suing where he completely created this like yeah the graphic novels existed but he was like pretty much solely responsible for the adaptation of yes yes he actually individually called up certain actors like um i can't he played dale in the show yeah yeah not sure yeah this isn't a this isn't a case of amc
00:30:25
Speaker
uh getting the show in call and this is not an AMC original like he not only I mean it's it's technically an AMC review but it's not like something what I'm saying he went to them he pitched them his own fresh idea and he had already individually without getting like
00:30:44
Speaker
any kind of like green light for AMC or anything. He had already started scouting out and contacting actors that he had worked with before. So he was bringing AMC like his own idea and like pitching to them like, I already have like these guys interested in the project. Yeah. So like, you know, he brought everything to AMC like this, like landed on AMC's lap. You know what I mean?
00:31:08
Speaker
like this wasn't like AMC like going out and saying like, you know, let's find some talent. Let's ask somebody to like look at not it's not it wasn't like madman like this was like dead up like all his shit. So he was obviously owed like a great debt, but the lawsuit
00:31:27
Speaker
So this is season two. So we're talking about this is the year's 2011. Yeah. And the lawsuit does not. And that's when they sever ties with those during the second season, almost halfway through. So he's out halfway through the second season. I believe he's still credit for that whole season, but yeah, he's still credit for the whole season, but he was not there for the whole season now.
00:31:52
Speaker
So and you could drastically tell that as a viewer, like, like I said earlier, you don't need to be following like what's going on, like behind the scenes, like, you know, you don't have to be following their production. Like you could tell that from season one to two. There was some substantial time wasting, I would say, would be the best way I could describe it, where you literally just paid a bunch of actors to like
00:32:22
Speaker
Like, guys, we've like, bro, we only got like six episodes. Like, why don't you guys just like walk through the woods humming for a while or something like that? Like, let's see if one of you accidentally get shot by a hunter.
00:32:37
Speaker
It was just, you know, it was just really, it was just tons of like filler episodes that did not advance the plot. The special effects, the suspense and the horror that you kind of felt in season one was just absolutely absent completely.
00:32:56
Speaker
Like, you know, I mean, I mean, I never felt like the special effects really took a dip, like all the zombie stuff always looked great to me and the kills always looked great. It was like I was just I was talking about the suspense. And yeah, yeah. Well, you had said the special effects. So.
00:33:12
Speaker
Well, I meant like sort of like the overall effect of the show. Oh, yeah. Made you feel from season one to season two. I'm not I'm not talking about like CGI or anything like that, because like there wasn't a whole lot of CGI. That's one thing I sort of liked.
00:33:32
Speaker
a lot about The Walking Dead early on, at least. There wasn't a lot of CGI. There still really is. I mean, just like the gunshots, you know, and some of the blood, but most of it is all like practical, like like that shot that they did in season. Yeah, it was still the first season, I believe the season when they're supposed to be in downtown Atlanta when he goes into the tank.
00:34:00
Speaker
Like, I thought that was really impressive. All those extras and stuff like that. The army of zombies that they created in that set. Like, I thought that was like fucking amazing. Like, that was one of the things I really, with the zombie shot, I just assumed you were going to see like a lot of CGI, a lot of like wild special effects and stuff like that.
00:34:23
Speaker
and that was something I always like kind of like respected about that but anyway so season two start to run on you could tell that like something had happened and then he was gone and then so 2013 what happens? 2013 the lawsuit. The first the he that was his first lawsuit and like halfway through
00:34:48
Speaker
like the, I guess, you know, like pre trials and stuff like that, the judge had ruled in favor of their bond. So AMC went and fired all that their lawyers and hired new lawyers.
00:35:02
Speaker
like halfway through. Oh, let me also mention that it's not just Darrenbot. It's Darrenbot and his agency, CAA, which is a creative artist agency. So it's like him and his agency. Like they fired all their lawyers and they fired all their writers, right? Like they pretty much like got rid of him and like the people he brought in.
00:35:26
Speaker
So yeah, AMC did a full on motherfucking house cleaning. Yeah, it seemed like a showrunners showrunners left. Like, I mean, that happens all the time. But like, but it was a mess exists. Actors were asking to be killed off. Yeah. They didn't want to be part of the project anymore, even though like the first season with them was a huge success.
00:35:50
Speaker
You know, you know, they were picking up a lot of traction. More than one actor has to be killed off from a hit show because, you know, the situation there was just so toxic. I should point out, too, one of the main things that really fucking pissed him off and, you know, he's sending out all these emails to everybody was that AMC note season one was only six episodes.
00:36:17
Speaker
AMC had told him they want the second season to contain 14 episodes, but they said they wanted him to keep the constraints to the same budget he had in season one, which was only six episodes. Yeah. That is fucking crazy. I've never heard of anything like that. That's why the whole season takes place at a farm because they had no money to go anywhere.
00:36:41
Speaker
If AMC had said to him like, look, we've really, really liked what you did with season one, we're having a little bit trouble like getting the money like really think this thing could take off, and you know you could do a or nine seasons of it like we, we believe in the show.
00:36:58
Speaker
Now, for season two, can you maybe stretch this an episode or even two and make it a full eight episode season on the same budget? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like maybe two eight episodes. That might be possible. Yeah. And that would still be pissy because you're asking for two more fucking episodes. Yeah. You know, these are 45 minute episodes. So that would be that would be tight. I would be very unhappy if I asked me to do that. But I would say, you know what?
00:37:28
Speaker
if you guys think that the show is going to pick up traction and you believe that we're going to have the money to keep going later on, all right, yeah, I can work that out. That's within reason. They were like, nah, we want more than double what you did last season and we're not giving you a fucking dollar more.
00:37:49
Speaker
I mean, shit, I guess that is enough to drive somebody fucking crazy. Like you still shouldn't talk about like murdering everyone. Yeah, not only that, but the hire all these like incompetent people that like can't read his scripts or understand like their basic craft. Yeah, he was he was saying like these are the most amateur people I've ever worked. Yeah. Yeah. He definitely didn't hire those writers for season two. No. No. I mean, see, I'm pretty sure he did.
00:38:17
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he probably wrote probably him and somebody else. I'd have to look at the credits to see who else did the season one. But like you could tell like that that same process wasn't there for season two. It was like, yeah, I've read a couple of pages of emails that he wrote that were completely professional and coherent and like not hostile at all, where he was basically like asking questions, like all the nasty emails that got all the attention, like when they were trying to justify firing him.
00:38:46
Speaker
AMC didn't release like all the emails where he's like asking questions like, what the hell is going on here? Like, they're bringing me people that seem like this is their first ever fucking job in the business. Like, you know, they're totally incompetent. They don't know what's going on. Like, there's fucking dozens of emails where he's like writing to executives like saying, like, I don't understand this, like, what's going on, like trying to be reasonable. And like, you just
00:39:14
Speaker
slowly loses his mind like Jack Torrance in The Shining. So in 2013, that's when he filed the big lawsuit. No, I think that's just the first lawsuit. But wasn't the first lawsuit, wasn't he claiming? Well, I guess as it went on, it dragged out because
00:39:39
Speaker
where we are now, where we are to this day, he was seeking $300 million. So more than a quarter billion dollars is what he thought he was owed. So it wouldn't have been that much back then in 2013, because they were only in, what is it, the third or fourth season at that time? Probably would have been about third of all.
00:40:04
Speaker
Third or fourth. I think four days. Yeah. Well, we found the link to the original suit and like it's a he was alleging that the cable channel breached his contract and deprived him of tens of millions of dollars in profits from the series by making a sweetheart deal licensing the show to itself. Yeah. There's a whole nother article off the post about how like licensing and stuff that has changed over the years. Like that's a whole nother fucking thing I can't even go through. Well, what do you know now?
00:40:35
Speaker
Do you think the lawsuit was valid, correct? Oh, absolutely. And AMC knew that they were wrong the entire time.
00:40:44
Speaker
Nobody could get away with doing this and not get that. I mean, he pretty much has in writing what they were asking him to do. So it's hard to dispute that. They knew that they were wrong the entire time. The point I was trying to make, I just want to make it clear. I don't think AMC was necessarily wrong for firing him.
00:41:10
Speaker
But like, yeah, definitely wrong for withholding. Yeah, the original suit. The original suit says the suit says that as of September 2012, two years after the premiere.
00:41:25
Speaker
AMC, which both produces and airs Walking Dead, claimed the show was running a deficit of $49 million. An alleged sweetheart deal between the network and its production arm is clearly designed to ensure that Derma and CAA, his agency, never see that first dollar because they make money off of like, you know,
00:41:45
Speaker
you know, if like they were to sell it to Netflix, he'd make money off of that. So since they're selling it to themselves. Yeah. He wouldn't make the money. That's really unseemly. That's like real dirty fucking business. Like, you know, I mean, that's very, very unethical.
00:42:04
Speaker
I mean that's I mean it happens all the time now more more nowadays out there's more and more streaming services out there where they sell to themselves but like that's something like in their contract normally these days were like I guess it'd be a little bit different but back then it was like
00:42:21
Speaker
they kind of he expects that residual off of like selling it to a network or something like that and that's what the original lawsuit was about and then it expanded from there in 2018 where he was uh tried he was suing them for 300 million
00:42:36
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I next heard about was, I heard about it back in 2013. And I think we should mention on before going any further into this on because you're the one that like had told me, um, apparently in 2013 when he fired filed
00:42:53
Speaker
The first lawsuit and basically said, I'm going after AMC I'm in this for the long haul like you know we're we're seeking, you know compensation here. Um, you had said that 2013 is the last time.
00:43:10
Speaker
he was really accredited with anything of note that he was like doing in the business. Didn't you say like in 2013, he like had made like a few episodes of a television show or something? Yeah, I was just looking at his IMDB credits and like he really didn't have like he had like one project that came out in 2013.
00:43:32
Speaker
And then like there was there'd been like, there's like one coming up but like that's like almost 10 years of like, nothing but just soon. Yeah, that's, that's the thing. And that's why I want it to open up.
00:43:48
Speaker
with in his words, like I want to start off the podcast and basically just say like, I am in a state of absolute boiling rage. Like that just says everything you need to know. I mean, I'll give him one thing. Those emails were very honest on his part.
00:44:06
Speaker
And that's what he did from 2013, 2014, 2015. And this is when Walking Dead was like in its peak. I mean, it was getting tons of attention. I think at one point it was the top rated show in the country, wasn't it? Yeah, I believe so for a number of years. And I think, yeah, their ratings were among the highest for like
00:44:34
Speaker
something like six years. Yeah, that's like every time it would come out, it was doing massive numbers. Yeah. And this wasn't I'm assuming if you're Frank Derenbaum and like in 2010, you're feeling absolute murderous rage. Five years later, when the show is peaking, you're probably not feeling any calmer.
00:44:59
Speaker
So he was just letting his anger absolutely consume him in that time. And you're saying we fast forward to 2018. Well, let me see it. Let me tell you what the initial. So I'll post this whole article so people can read through it. But according to this, this is the variety. This is from the Hollywood Reporter. This had a link from I think from the variety.
00:45:27
Speaker
that had a link to the original lawsuit article. And it says AMC initially agreed contractually in September 2009 that the series would be produced by unaffiliated studios such as Lionsgate or Warner Brothers. Darren Bond would receive as much as 12.5% of that entity's profit after standard industry deductions.
00:45:50
Speaker
Then once he delivered the scripts, that was the basis for the first six episodes, however, the suit alleges AMC decided to produce and broadcast the show in-house. Darren Bont's representatives at CAA and the law firm agreed only after gaining assurances from AMC that Darren Bont would obtain protections against improper self-dealing. The suit alleges these protections included a commitment by AMC to pay its studio and
00:46:19
Speaker
imputed license fee comparable to what the show would get if it was made by an independent studio talent lawyers typically ask for such assurances so like this was all like in the contract that was like oh hey you said you were going to do it through an independent and now you're going to do it through here but like since like we agree to that but we want the same amount as if you were to do it through a third studio
00:46:42
Speaker
Uh, our third party studio. And so like, yeah, he is absolutely on the right to do this. It seems like this was dirty business right from the start somehow. Yeah. I mean, not necessarily. I mean, they could be like, Hey, we like, instead of.
00:46:57
Speaker
we like AMC could have been like, hey, instead of letting like some other studio do this, we're doing pretty well. Cause I believe Breaking Bad and Mad Men were already out at this time. I don't remember what year. I think Mad Men was actually finished by this time. Yeah. So I could be wrong about that. Yeah. So maybe they decided they were like, Hey, we could probably make a lot more money if we did this all in house, which is perfectly fine. And then they had come to an agreement
00:47:26
Speaker
with their bond, they're like, Hey, we'll still pay you what you would get if we were due to the third party. So like, that's all like understandable and completely, you know, legal to do it that way. But it was after they had fired him and they weren't giving him what they had promised. That's when the problem what he had in writing legally binding contract that had been reviewed by both sides. AMC just blatantly said, like, we're not going to honor that. Yeah.
00:47:56
Speaker
Like, you know, like a European footballer and like, you know, uh, his, uh, transfer agreement, you know, and I mean, like his contract to the club, how they're just like glorified autographs. Yeah. And that's what we used to say. Like, yeah, it's basically like, they just weaseled their way out of it. And, uh, yeah. So, I mean, he was pretty much like completely in the right and, and it sees.
00:48:19
Speaker
The fence was that he was like a disgruntled ex-employee kind of, who was threatening everyone and created a toxic workplace and stuff like that. But they had to know when he first filed this lawsuit.
00:48:36
Speaker
because I was reading a little apparently like he hired like a top notch firm and of course AMC had a good legal department and apparently these lawyers really like going after one another I was reading a little bit about that though like both sides were kind of out for blood but AMC had to know that legally speaking
00:48:57
Speaker
he was going to get compensation at some point. Unless they were hoping that his boiling rage gave him a heart attack and they were like, let's just see if he dies. In that case, then it will be a legal thing with CCA and he is CCA pretty much.
00:49:20
Speaker
So like, if anything, we're going to have to pay like a small fraction of what he was actually owed to a bunch of people that aren't as emotionally invested as he was. Yeah. Like that's like a positive. I mean, I don't mean to say like, you know, but like you're like, I might have thought about that. Like, you know, I mean, he's out of his mind. He's aging. Like he's, you know, obviously boiling rage. He's not working anymore.
00:49:48
Speaker
Maybe he's home drinking, depressed, taking prescription pain pills. You know what I mean? Like, let's just see if he dies in the next decade. If he dies, great. If he doesn't, fine, we'll fucking pay him. Like they're making enough off of like a walking dead by itself that they're not really hurting after the lawsuit anyway. But I think that honestly, I think they've been a mistake by not settling years ago because then like it went from about like what
00:50:15
Speaker
$45, $50 million to $300 million. And they eventually settled. For $143 million is the offer that they made, correct? That was the first real offer. That was after the 2018 lawsuit. I'm saying they should have probably settled somewhere between 2013 and the new lawsuit.
00:50:36
Speaker
Uh, you know, they should have had this all wrapped up, like within like a year after the lawsuit. Like when the judge had like agreed with Frank Derembaugh and like, instead of firing all your lawyers, you probably should have just settled at that point. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they probably didn't recognize the potential at that point. Or maybe they didn't, maybe they knew it had a lot of potential and they were just like, I don't know. It seems like it could be reasonable that they thought he might have died.
00:51:05
Speaker
Or they thought they were going to win this somehow. I don't know. It seemed like everything I've read seemed like it was pretty clear cut that you guys made an agreement. They thought that they could bleed his resources. Oh, maybe just where he would settle for less. Yeah, he wouldn't be able to financially afford to keep the firm that he had been using against them and that they would just bleed through his resources.
00:51:30
Speaker
but it seems like I don't know from what I was reading is like the firm he hired like they seem to like you know pursue AMC like they were like big tobacco or something and like you know the lawyers were just like really out for blood so like he hired the right people so like that was one thing I'm just trying to think what AMC thought they could profit by dragging out the inevitable for so long
00:51:54
Speaker
So like, you know, he, maybe he'll die. That would be good for us. Um, maybe like he just will lose heart and he'll settle for something, you know, meager. And we can just be done with this because he's running out of money because we're not paying him what he's owed. They can see he's not working. So, I mean, that's obviously like, yeah, like we pretty much put him out of the business.
00:52:20
Speaker
like he can't sleep at night so I mean I gotta say it's very unseemly but what they did but like you said it wasn't quite illegal and it seemed like they were playing like dirty unethical behavior to try to just like hold back and then suddenly you know some years later they offered him 143 million
00:52:46
Speaker
And that was in June. That was this past June. And then it finally settled and it was filed on Friday that they settled for $200 million to him and CAA plus residuals on Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead. It didn't mention the World's End or World Beyond or
00:53:08
Speaker
whatever the other spinoff called or any future spinoffs that I haven't read anything about those, but I know those two mostly. What I read is that in this 200 million, first off, it should be known as of right now, I'm not aware of AMC or Frank Derenbahn or his company, like making any public comments about how they felt about the suit. It's been pretty hush. I haven't seen any comments.
00:53:37
Speaker
And I'm looking at the variety article that I pulled up and at the bottom of that it says that there have been no official comments by either side that was as of.
00:53:49
Speaker
two days ago so I don't know if something but as far as I'm aware they haven't made like any like official comments about it yet but it from what I've read it appears that um what they were saying is that in the 200 million settlement um it pretty much like buys him out of any future spin-offs
00:54:14
Speaker
that they yeah yeah they're they're almost it's almost like uh it's almost a settlement for what they owe him plus like their bind out yeah like any right yeah yeah i think in the article i had read it also include like he can't go out and like you know
00:54:36
Speaker
talk shit about like, you know, AMC, like you can't sue them. We're gonna fucking pay you to do several things. First off, you can't sue us anymore. Like, you know, we're paying you out, you're going to get your royalties for the Walking Dead and fear the Walking Dead. But any spinoffs or anything else we do with this,
00:55:00
Speaker
We are paying you to never ever be able to have the right to sue us again. Yeah, at least, you know, based on based on this. So pretty much they were just this was the end all. And I saw there was an exception where if they had sold
00:55:17
Speaker
the rights to like say Netflix or something like that then he would be entitled to something more but they were basically trying to say like we don't ever want to do this again we want this to be over with so like here's here's our settlement
00:55:35
Speaker
Here's your royalties and anything we do from this point on, like you can't be a part of, you can't try to come after us.
Legal Implications and Future Speculations
00:55:43
Speaker
That was all in the $200 million lawsuit. And according to what I read, AMC is like, there's a lot of spinoffs that are going to come from this. And they were saying like, and they're all about to kick off sometime in the next like,
00:55:59
Speaker
12 to 24 months or something like that. So what I was reading is that they actually this was really a good move on their part to do this right here and now because they're about to kick off so much stuff that it said he could be him and his him and CCA could be
00:56:22
Speaker
CAA. I'm sorry, CCA. Could be seeking tens or hundreds of millions of dollars more in the next 24 to 36 months. So, I mean, this was like, initially, when you had first told me this, I was just like, Jesus Christ, that's almost a quarter billion dollars. Like, that's so fucking crazy. Like how, but like, no, it actually seems like AMC
00:56:50
Speaker
were just real fucking cocksucks. And they actually, this was like well played for them, because it said that they've grossed something like 2.8 billion since this lawsuit. Now that 2.8 billion was not all in profits, but it does signify that this $200 million dollar settlement, while it's going to sting them, isn't really going to hurt them that much moving forward.
00:57:19
Speaker
Yeah, I remember yesterday when we were talking about this, I looked it up like how much they were making per episode just on commercials. And it was something like eight million episode. But this, I mean, obviously this was back when like they were at their peak, but still like that whole like an entire season pretty much just paid for Frank there, but to like, you know, go away.
00:57:39
Speaker
2.8 billion is what they've taken in since the start of the wall. So like we said, like they didn't lose 200 million. They saved 100 million. 100 million, yeah. That's really what came down there. Yeah. I could just see being in that room of great legal minds, like trying to explain this to the AMC executives that have been like real stingy all these years and been pulling out and dragging this thing out, hoping to buoy them dry. Yeah.
00:58:08
Speaker
they were probably fueled with anger too and then like somebody just came up and explained that like real simply like look you guys got this all wrong we shouldn't see this as losing 200 million we should see this as saving 100 million like you know i mean this guy has this dead the rights like you know i mean he's owed this shit
00:58:32
Speaker
we're going to fuck him over even more because we have all this fucking spin-off shit about to go down, let's just pay him, let's save a hundred million people and let's take it on in, you know what I mean? And I don't know, yeah, at first I thought AMC were trumped and I was like, wow, you know, you guys really should have settled this mad years ago. And like you said, they should have, but this seems like it, for what they have planned, this seems like it was
00:58:59
Speaker
a good move, legally. It was a good move for everybody, really, because it's not like fucking he's losing out. He's getting paid $200 million, which, I mean, I don't care how hard you work. I don't believe that anyone ever can work so hard in their lifetime where they're owed $200 million, but hey,
00:59:22
Speaker
It is where it is. He got it. That's the agreement that they that they made. They need to honor that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that 200 million is like a lot is is basically the residuals he would have made off the show, even if he like he left on like good terms like he could have left after.
00:59:40
Speaker
two seasons and like handed off to somebody else, he would have still made all that money. And that's what a lot of it comes down to is like, well, now it's like eight years later since I've started this. So if you add up all that money, that's what you owe me. So yeah.
00:59:58
Speaker
I'm just kind of interested in what his day-to-day life was like in that time. We need a Netflix documentary series just about this fucking trial. We need to reach out to his people and ask if he could have comment. Can we buy the rights to this trial? Well, I guess it was no real trial. It was pretty much just litigation between two firms.
01:00:27
Speaker
We're making offers and counter offers and just bickering like among this with years and using a judge as an intermediary, there isn't there was a jury never heard testimony right yeah ever you know so it never escalated to that level.
01:00:43
Speaker
I think there were some people, I sort of feel like Darren Baum kind of wanted his day in court, to be honest with you, because I think that he knew that he was in the right and he would have liked this. But an AMC were like, they were kind of like given like a glimpse like, yeah, we're down to do that too. You know, like bring it motherfucker. And then they just kind of did this. And like, I have a feeling that he's not satisfied.
01:01:09
Speaker
And I'd really love to hear a comment from like his people about like what has been going on for the last eight years of his life. What it's been like for him because he hasn't worked out I kind of want to know like
01:01:25
Speaker
you know what I mean like what he did when he woke up in the morning until you know when he went to bed like you know was he like eating bowls of broken glass all day like I kind of like want to know like from the mind that pretty shawshank redemption like you know I just I kind of want to know that um but you know I don't know maybe we'll like find out about it like when he comments or
01:01:49
Speaker
You know, that's the thing. I don't know if he's allowed to even like comment. I think I think he's allowed to come. Well, I think he would be able to comment about like himself and not like talk direct, like if he hasn't talked direct shit. I'm not. See, that's something I'm not clear on. So I have false information. I'm not sure if there was an NDA.
01:02:11
Speaker
in this settlement. So he might be able to talk as much shit as he wants, or he might be completely muzzled. I'm not sure at this point, but I think he can come out and say whether or not he's satisfied with the decision. I think he can say that, you know what I mean? I don't think even that he can. I mean, it doesn't even matter if he's satisfied or not, because part of the agreement was that he can't
01:02:39
Speaker
go back and see them again so yeah if he came to that agreement he's he's obviously satisfied so yeah otherwise he'd be taking it to trial which was supposed to be next april apparently well i have to think like his lawyers over almost a
01:02:55
Speaker
decade fucking litigation they had to want to get paid to because the bigger the bigger the settlement i mean is legal teams taking probably take it home like thirty million dollars or something yeah they probably took a good chunk of that what this is going to be one of the largest or
01:03:16
Speaker
Again, that could be false information because I'm not sure exactly who he hired I know they were world class, but like, I'm going to assume that this is probably a $200 million settlement.
01:03:31
Speaker
is kind of like, you know, a dream settlement for a legal firm. So I have to think that they had to be advising him to take the money. You know, it's definitely the biggest one that I've ever heard of, at least in the industry, in the industry industry, especially like awarded to basically one person. Yeah, yeah. Again, his company, his company name is on that, but he is the company, you know what I mean? I don't
01:03:59
Speaker
I don't know if there were other named plaintiffs in this specific lawsuit. Well, I don't know if that's his agency or if that's just his agents, you know, that go out and get him the work. So he might not own that agency. He might just be a part of that agency. And they are, you know, since they're his agents, you know, they they helped him, you know, with the deal.
01:04:24
Speaker
So they're, you know, they get some compensation as well. We should mention though real quick before wrapping up on this, AMC is still facing lawsuits by at least two other people. Well, that's what I was going to mention is the other lawsuit that is still happening right now is with Robert Kirkman.
01:04:47
Speaker
And I believe one of his other executive producers, they were suing him about profits and stuff like that. But the most recent thing that I've read, I mean, the trial is still set for this fall or this, I think, November I've read. But last year is the article I'm reading from July 22nd, 2020, from Deadline, was that they had like a meeting. Yeah, that's what I saw too.
01:05:15
Speaker
was like a mini trial and that they, the judge actually favored to AMC that there was like, no, like you've got paid what you were owed in your contract. Like, so like, so, so far that like AMC is winning that one, even though they had lost the other one. So I mean, even if AMC win the one against Kirkman, they're not getting money from Kirkman. It's just like, they don't have to pay him.
01:05:42
Speaker
So I mean, yeah, we'll we'll see how that turns out. We'll keep you updated on. Yeah, it seems like it seems like there's he's still pursuing it, though, like there has not been a final judgment rendered yet. Yeah, he hasn't he hasn't settled or backed out yet anyway, even though the judge had agreed with AMC like he's still.
01:06:02
Speaker
pursuing it. So we'll see what happens with that. And yeah, that's all we pretty much have today. I mean, there's that other Friday the 13th case with that. We still haven't had any updates recently. So when we get on the press to like talking or even thinking about that, just because we're not getting any new fucking Jason Voorhees shit until that settles. Yeah, bro. We should be up to like fucking Friday the 13th like part
01:06:33
Speaker
at least part 13 by now. What was the last numbered one? Was it Jason X? Jason X was the last numbered one.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:06:42
Speaker
And then after that was Freddie verse Jason and then the reboot, the Friday 13th reboot. And that was the last one.
01:06:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we really should be up to at least Friday the 13th part 13. Yeah, no, I mean, as a nice number to end down. I mean, I could do like, it's just one of those like franchises where I more is good, more is better. Like, you know, I mean, like the more the merrier, like, I don't care. I don't even care like how bad they are. Like,
01:07:13
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I just want them to keep coming. Well, hopefully the Friday the 13th one isn't eight years before we get another one. Hopefully they settle in. It doesn't seem like it's going away anytime soon. Like we haven't had really any updates. Yeah, I think the pandemic kind of shut down a lot of that because I think it was supposed to go to trial last year and it got put back. So I don't know if they're going to do it this year or next year. I'll have to look more into that.
01:07:40
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and we'll get back to you, but thanks for joining us. We will see you, well, not see you, but we'll be talking about this. We'll be talking about other things soon. Check us out on the Facebook group at Fright Central and on our Apple Podcasts, or maybe Spotify. I don't know, I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify, so I have no idea if we're on there. But yeah, hit us up on the...
01:08:08
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Facebook in our group and we will talk to you soon. Thanks for joining me, Keck. You had a real confident ending there. Thank you.