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Ep. 268 – Dare to Discipline: Dr. Dobson’s Autism Boo Box
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This week we’re taking a look at a fascinating book written by the late great Dr. James Dobson: “The New Dare to Discipline.” This quintessential parenting guide was originally written by the good doctor while his own children were still in preschool, which the haters will say invalidates its timeless Biblical themes and enhanced interrogation techniques. However, the “New” Dare to Discipline is an updated version that is kid-tested, Dobson approved (in much the same way that hair loss medications and carcinogenic cosmetics used to be tested on golden retrievers). We’re going to focus on a fantastic chapter called “The Miracle Tools Pt. 1,” where Dobby shares some thought-provoking research into the treatment of childhood autism. So sit back, ignore the sounds of screaming children (those aren’t added in post for dramatic effect… Sam is on family vacation), and enjoy the show!
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Children vs. Animals: Delays and Rewards
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that idea Although children can tolerate longer delays than animals, the power of reward is weakened with time. Here's where ah here's the part that I thought you would find interesting, because we're going to get into the science.
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Okay, I like the science.
Autism Treatment: Historical Context
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Immediate reinforcement has been utilized successfully in the treatment treatment of childhood autism, a major disorder which resembles childhood schizophrenia.
Billboards and Experiences from the Outer Banks
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jesus christ
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yeah so
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. And I'm Casey. And today I come to you from my vacation in my annual April vacation in the Outer Banks.
Impact of Low-Quality Billboards
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um And as per usual, Casey, whenever I drive down here, I am, it's, it's, you're inundated with billboards.
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You know, billboards are everywhere, but Oh my God. As soon as you're like in Virginia, i feel like it's Virginia. I mean, there's some a lot on 95, but like you're just on like these roots in Virginia that go on for like a couple hundred miles that you're on.
Christian Billboards and Existential Questions
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And it they're not like the big high, like the big, like high up billboards.
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It's like they're just pinned together with like wooden posts and shit, you know? Yeah. Like somebody, somebody happened to own a ah piece of property next to it or like it when they evicted their neighbor ah to build the highway in the first place. yeah Like,
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If you've been in a domain-dom, then they're like, I'm putting up ah i'm i'm doing some witnessing. yeah Yeah, a lot of them are very Christian. and now I've mentioned this before, and I thought about it again on my way down, because one of the ones you see a lot are the 834-truth ones, where you just call 834-truth. It's like, where do you go when you die? and i really I keep meaning to, and I might have some time this week, because I'm very curious into the company.
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what the organization is and then like where their funding comes
Effectiveness of Billboard Advertising
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from. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of their funding is a little, a little weird. um Oh, i but I would bet anything. Yeah. Like maybe it's just like a shell of some sort, but um the thing I noticed about like, so yeah, you'll just, it'll just be one,
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like peeling billboard after another. But the thing I i noticed, Pennsylvania has a lot. Pennsylvania's like favorite thing is just billboards for just injury lawyers. um And they always use bad puns and stuff like that. But what stuck out to me this time is how many people who own small businesses think that it's really important for them to put their face on a billboard.
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And these people don't have faces for billboards ever. They don't even know how to smile right for a picture.
Presentation on Billboards: A Business's Image
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Like they're, it looks like they're in pain most of the time. And the one that stuck out to me a lot was, I don't even remember what it was for.
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Cause I was so distracted by how dumb this man looked. He was middle-aged, like had this grimace on his face with like a thumbs up, like,
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Like he was forced at gunpoint to do this. And he had this mohawk. Like, so, you know, his hair he had the receding hairline, like, you know, the one that kind of like you have that thin piece in the front, but everything else goes way back.
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So instead of just accepting baldness, he thought this would be the right time to get a cool mohawk. There's no such thing. No, not out there. i yeah I don't encounter Mohawks that I ever really think are particularly cool.
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um So it's just a cool dude like a i Sometimes I think people don't know what their face really looks like until you blow it up like 20 times in 4K because.
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It's not good for like, I don't want my face that big. If you put like, I look in a mirror and I go, that's fine. I can live with it. But like, I don't want, if you magnified my face real big, I would notice a lot more about it that I'm not happy with.
Digital vs. Traditional Advertising
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And maybe Maybe it's just a sunk cost fallacy at that point where you're like you spend all this money on the billboard and then you look at it and you're like, oh, fuck. like I'm stuck with this thing now.
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But man, he looked like such a dork. And as soon as saw go I go, I don't trust that man. That man's not establishing trust with me. I'm not going to – that can't do anything for you. I don't – I can't – how much do i don't know how much billboards cost. Have you guys ever looked have you guys ever done billboard advertising and look what that shit costs?
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We don't do any at my company, no. I mean, because we're not really marketing to the end user very much. That's true. That's true. All industry stuff, but like... I was curious because I was looking at, because I was thinking about that 834 truth.
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Yeah. Like quote unquote ministry. Yeah. And just quick Google search here. it says that while their costs are driven by and by location, um they range from plus per month for leave some one of those but the average is nine thirty three to twenty five hundred that's so much money monthly just like I don't know if billboards work.
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I don't know if they do. I feel like we just like... Certainly not anymore. When you get 30 billboards a day on your phone. it's Yeah, right? It feels like one of those capitalist traps, like marketing traps, where you just... you know If you watch Mad Men or any show that revolves around marketing, it's like they're just trying to...
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Like, I don't feel like advertising works in the same way it used to when everyone watched the same five channels, you know? And like, yeah now it's like advertising budgets are crazy, but it's not...
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Like I can't imagine like the turn on those things aren't that good. That's why, you know, the new the new way to do it is like if you're like advertising stuff on TikTok or Instagram whatever, it's based on clicks and then purchases. And it's like it's not ah it's not with with few
Church Billboards: Effective Marketing?
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exceptions. Obviously, there's exceptions, but.
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It can't, it just can't be a revenue stream. Like I remember when I worked at Liberty, my boss, his brother was a pastor and he was like, he was bragging about how they like put up this billboard and how much it costs and stuff. And like, was just like, that's not cool, dude. Like, no, you think people are going to your church because you put up a billboard. They passed 17 churches on your, on the way to your church from that billboard. Nobody cares. Yeah. Yeah.
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The only billboard I ever remember like noticing that wasn't just like a recurring religious billboard was like in Michigan for a while. I don't even remember what it was. It was some sort of campaign... like a campaign charity thing or something. But there was this one on the highway, like by my house that had like, it looked like a frosted like shower door. So you couldn't see all the way through it. And it was really dimly lit and you could just see like a person like with their hand on it. But they were like really obscured. It was kind of creepy looking. Yeah. Like it didn't have any words or anything on it. So you had to like, you know, Google what, what this thing. And it and again, I don't even remember it, but that's like the only one that sticks out in my mind is like,
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I remember it and not because it was like super
Memorable and Mysterious Billboards
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lame. Yeah. And it's not like, in and and that's interesting because there, I think there's probably a case we made for like making something and interesting or obscure enough where people go out of their way to look at it. Like, Oh, I'm curious as to what that is now. You piqued my interest, but Most people don't have the attention. Like, dude, I see stuff constantly where I'm like, oh, that would be a fun topic or we should, I should bring this to the podcast. And then I forget 45 seconds later. Like we're just, you're so inundated. Like you don't know, people have the attention span to follow through with that kind of marketing campaign.
Attorney Billboard Strategies
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I feel like the attorneys are the only ones that are really like pushing it in any sort of effective way. And it's just yeah because it's annoying. They're taking that like, ah you remember those commercials for that, like head ah headaches medicine back in the day it was like head on, apply directly to the forehead, head on, apply directly to the forehead.
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yeah i don't just repeated it like 40 times. um Interestingly, though, okay, so I looked up 8.3 for Truth, operated by Christian Aid Ministries since 2006, runs over 1,700 gospel billboards across all 50 states. So if you did if you figured average price for those billboards was $1,500, that's million dollars a month that they're spending on billboards That's nuts. And what
TikTok's Targeted Advertising
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is it? Where is this money coming from? Like, that's $30 million dollars a year.
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That's just general. I mean, it all has to be generated by donation. It might be linked to some other ministry. Maybe that's their way of like offsetting their taxes at the end of the year or something. Who knows? I really want be There's a pastor that owns, you know, one of those companies that leases out billboards. Yeah. and Financial circle jerk.
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yeah It really could be.
AI-Generated Soap Operas on TikTok
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Dude, the TikTok advertising gets me. ah ive Because I've searched like Christian stuff on there, i get so many... like I get two kinds of ads. I get Christian ads, which is mostly like cheap jewelry like I've talked about before. yeah and if If they're really dumb, I'll post them on the podcast page story sometimes. but Or I get ai soap operas.
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Which, have you seen any of those? No, I didn't know that was, i mean, I'm not surprised that's a thing we've moved into, but I didn't know it was something we were working with now. They are unbelievably bad.
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i can imagine. It's like, ah it's like teen fiction written by teens. Is what it like. So it'll be like, like I saw one the other day where it was like a little girl, she was a ghost. Yeah.
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and ah she's How long are these? Are these like 20 minute episodes? Some of them are long. Yeah, like if you stick with it, like if you sit there and watch the whole thing, it might be like 10 minutes long.
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And they're reoccurring? Like there's it's like a you know there's new episodes but weekly or something? Yeah, where they still I get one that's like nobody knows that so-and-so at the class reunion is married to the billionaire CEO and they're all being mean to her.
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Oh my god. Or it'll be like ah like a ah really bad, you know young adult fiction thing where it's like so-and-so picked the the the magical fire beetle as her soul animal at the at the quartering ceremony she trained them all throughout wizard school or whatever like they're so they're terrible that's a familiar yeah very nice um okay i did want to i wanted to read you a little bit of ah an article here that i saw
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Okay.
Podcast Scheduling Conflicts
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Yeah. I know you had a couple of things you're interested in. um Sounds like you've come across some pretty good finds. ah we missed ah We
FBI Director's Controversial Behavior
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missed last week. Let's just point that out.
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between i was packing to leave for vacation. The only night we had was the one night that I was actually trying to get packed up to go. Like I was floating my car getting ready. So we just didn't find the time happens more often than we'd like this year, but it is what it is.
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But yeah, anyway, just calling that out before someone calls us out. So this is the Atlantic says the FBI director is MIA.
00:12:30
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Yeah. Yes, dude. I saw this. I did. Oh, man. Cash Patel has alarmed colleagues with episodes of excessive drinking and unexplained absences. But the lead into the story is so funny because it's it's exactly who this guy is. And everybody pegged him like right off the bat as like this kind of guy. it says on Friday, April 10th, as FBI director Cash Patel was preparing to leave work for the weekend, he struggled to log into an internal computer system.
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He quickly became convinced that he had been locked out and he panicked, frantically calling aides and allies to announce that he had been fired by the White House.
Trump's Loyal Inner Circle
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Yeah. Because he sees the writing on the wall. Dude, it's great. There's so many articles written about how he's afraid he's getting fired. Like, it's just what people talk. And even regardless of... He knows he should be fired. Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't even matter. Like, people on the right who are in this administration are like, this guy, like, even by the right's very low standards these days, he is just... Everyone just know he's a complete bozo.
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Oh, yeah. And, you know, sometimes these stories ah will circulate and it's like, oh, according to an anonymous source close to the White House. and you're like, all right, well, that could be anybody. This says, according to nine people familiar yeah familiar with his outreach, two of these people described his behavior as a, quote unquote, freak out.
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that's That's what's amazing is like there's so much there, but like this guy is he freaked out so much. He called more than nine people because not everybody turned him in.
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Right. Yeah. So despised that nine of the people that he personally reached out to to like cry about being fired, you know, when he wasn't actually fired, nine of them decided to talk to the Atlantic about it.
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It's so funny. He is, because he's such, like, like, when you look at what we know so far, which is, like, him actually, like, what was it after Charlie Kirk's assassination? It was, like, they couldn't even really launch a real investigation until 24 hours later because he overextended the pilots for...
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like their plane that they would use to get somewhere. So like, cause but you have to ground pilots after a certain amount of fly time. And he was coming in from, I think something related to his girlfriend and then they landed and then they had, they got the call like, you know, for the Kirk assassination.
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And then he sat on the runway for like two hours because they didn't have ah an FBI jacket. Yeah, yeah. Dude, he's pathetic. He's such a fucking loser. Yeah. and I mean, it's like nobody could have figured that he would be this bad. i mean, you couldn't look at the fact that he wrote a children's book where he cast himself as a wizard protecting King Donald Trump.
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King Trump, who should be... you do that... That book... We should read that book. ah I should. Yeah, i that's we should need to pick the up I need to pick up a copy of that because it's it's just it's like, can you imagine getting a job just because you sucked off somebody so hard?
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Like and and feeling like you like and then the ego you have to walk around like a bad like you think you're a badass and you act like you deserve it. That's crazy. What's really crazy is like the first administration for Trump, like everybody leaked all the time. Like every week there was a big leak about something internal within the White House. You know, like it was constant big stories from inside. Now, like very few of those are happening.
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Yeah, because, I mean, he's... i mean he's reorganize the entire thing to be a bunch of, you know, sycophants or people that he has enough dirt on. Stupid that like they can't they cannot foresee that like they're completely dispensable to him and he's gonna pin like every failure every broken promise you know the epstein files all of it he's gonna pin all of it on patel and bondi and they're gonna just go down in flames you know yeah and yeah it's i mean just the fact that anyone like
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it's Because Trump cares about status, right? He cares about money and status. So like the people that he thinks, like the people who are below him, you know, obviously as a president in a technical sense, everybody is, but like that's his mind doesn't necessarily work that way.
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But like the people who are like actually beneath him, like the way that he perceives them, it's like, if you're beneath him, you are, expendable in his entire history as a failed business person, as a businessman who's failed up, like his entire life is that it's just a wake of bodies of people that thought he was going to come through for them.
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And it's, it's actually wild, like that. You'll take a job for him having absolutely zero credentials and, and then bungle it and then think that this guy's got your back.
00:17:53
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Like that his his only m MO isn't just covering his own ass, which is all he's ever all he's ever done. Like, you so you have to be a level of, there's a level of delusion that these people have where they're like, they it's like they met their hero and they,
00:18:11
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They were picked personally by their hero. Now they're like, oh my goodness. They love this guy loves me. He loves me. All of them are just like, they're just empty husks of human beings that are only interested in like self advancement. And they don't like, they're not smart enough to realize what a dead end road. Like, no, they're not. I'm constantly is like, did you see a Rogan's in that boat now, dude.
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I know. but Standing behind him. Standing behind. he He actually tried to like somewhat vaguely, barely criticize, you know, Trump because of the Iran war. He still will never call out Trump by name.
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um But, you know, he's ah he texts with Vance and Trump and Musk and like their boy. He's in the club now. He's in the club and he can't get out. There's something weird happening there.
00:19:01
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And I don't know exactly what it is, but like whoever this guy is that's doing the White House press secret or press dinner or whatever, he's like a an illusionist and stuff.
00:19:13
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I don't know. This is a rabbit trail. Is it O's or whatever? Please tell me it's not that guy. I can't remember. That's a menist that's the mentalist, dude. Yeah, this is one of those guys. But he was on Rogan's show like...
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last year or something? Yeah, yeah, I know it is. It's, um it's a maybe I sent you that clip, but did you see a um James Lee had Oath Perlman.
00:19:39
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Yeah, that's right. Where he guesses people's pin numbers and stuff. Yeah. guessed Rogan's pin number on, on, on air. He did that on some morning show recently too, and sent somebody off into a tizzy. Like she was, I forget who. I don't really buy it.
00:19:56
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I don't, it's hard to buy anything like leave that. Somebody with really close personal ties to Israel might. have let him go That just see, it's, it's crazy that we live in a world now where like the most, like anything you can't, every little thing. Now you go, it's probably Israel.
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The most Occam's razor says it's Israel. Dude, talking about like sycophants. So, you know, um he fires Bondi, who is like, yeah has been the ultimate sycophant and has made a total fool of herself defending him and his terrible policies. Yeah. Then ah he appoints like temporarily appoints at Todd Blanche.
00:20:37
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um I forget what he was doing. Oh, his it was Donald's personal defense attorney in the New York trial or whatever. But yeah yeah he had a statement the other day where they said ah the president has yet to nominate a permanent replacement who will need to be confirmed by the Senate. Trump is reportedly considering Environmental Protection Agency Administrator is Lee ze Zeldin and Utah Senator Mike Lee, which insane.
00:21:02
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I don't know why. would ever the new his he has There's a whole new like oversight committee for the EPA. And the oversight committee consists entirely of top brass in the companies that the EPA is supposed to regulate.
00:21:18
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Mike Lee has been actively like championing, championing legislation to what that would allow the, the, the federal government to sell like ah BLM land and state land and stuff like that to like corporations. Yeah. Yeah, they're on the ire of like outdoorsmen and stuff everywhere. They made like massive efforts to like overturn legislation. He's done it multiple times now. He's like on a mission, clearly being paid by one of them. Yeah, but these people are disgusting.
00:21:51
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So no end to their depravity. Todd Blanche was asked about if he was going to be the full time replacement for Bondi, you know, as he's acting replacement right now.
00:22:02
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And he says, quote, as to whether or not I want this job, i did not ask for this job. I love working for President Trump. It's the greatest honor of a lifetime. And if President Trump chooses to keep me as acting attorney general, that's an honor. If he chooses to nominate me, that's an honor.
00:22:17
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If he chooses to nominate somebody else and I go back to being the deputy attorney attorney general, that's an honor. If he chooses to nominate somebody else and ask me to go do something else, I will say thank you. Thank you very much, sir. I love you, sir.
00:22:29
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i don't have any goals or aspirations beyond that. That's such an embarrassing statement. I don't know. You don't even, dude, you're not even a real person anymore. You don't even have a real original thought. It's just, yes, daddy, tell me where to go, daddy. Imagine if that was your dad giving that press conference. Like, wouldn't part of you just die?
00:22:48
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like And you know he's never told his actual son, i love you. So that must hurt. Probably not. ah So the other topic that I was going to tell you about, um do you know anything about a program called Just Like Me AI?
00:23:05
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No, I can guess. I already have some concerning assumptions. and Well, you guess and I'll tell you if you're right. Just Like Me, do you create like an AI image of yourself to like show up to meetings and stuff?
00:23:19
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No, that's actually a good idea. Yeah. That's what they should have done. So you don't have to actually like go out on these stupid work zooms anymore? No, so... ah
00:23:33
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You make an AI image of yourself, and then you get to like... It creates AI porn so you can watch yourself just be a total monster. Yeah. let me ah Let me pull up the official...
00:23:47
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ah descriptor here. Because maybe that is a part of it. um Basically, yeah, it's like. ah
00:24:01
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Oh, God. Why can't I just find like a brief description? It says a California based technology technology company that specialize in creating AI twins or digital versions of personalities, experts and notably a faith based AI Jesus avatar.
00:24:17
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Oh, I is this the one you can pay a dollar ninety nine to talk to AI Jesus? Yeah. Two bucks a minute to talk to AI Jesus. I wonder how much Glenn Beck has spent on this.
00:24:28
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yeah He's already talking to AI George Washington. I know. i remember that. Oh, that was embarrassing, dude. Yeah, that sucked so bad.
00:24:40
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He'll probably have AI Jesus on. I actually, we i I don't really want to spend the money on that because I hate what it's funding, which is probably missiles to Israel. Probably. I'm kind of under the assumption that like that's what AI is. It's just like a money laundering scheme to fund the F during Billionaire in the Front.
00:25:02
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It's so gross. But I... It would be funny for us to do that, for us to try to talk to AI Jesus. like I would like to offer, just just get some basic advice on a few things. It would be fun. Yeah.
00:25:19
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I'm curious because I really because obviously like how I wonder how the algorithm is programmed. Right. Will will AI Jesus actually tell you that something is wrong and that you shouldn't do it? Will he like rebuke you if you're doing an evil thing? Or is AI Jesus just like a a mirror of yourself that you can like so you can basically like fap to your own reflection?
00:25:40
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Yeah, just like your own. I mean, yeah, at that point, it's just your religion. You know, that's just your version of Christianity at that point. It's all churches for these people. Yeah, so that seems great.
00:25:53
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um I'm sure nothing bad will come from that whole deal. Yeah, no, I mean, look, we're we're in a new era of Christianity and some of it. um I found something the other day. just going to.
00:26:10
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Sorry. ah I was thinking about this when we were because when I was at Liberty, I would have these conversations with people. So.
00:26:21
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You remember when you like just are finally bold enough to just point out that worship music sucks ass and you're like you stop pretending you're just like, you know, this is garbage ass music for the most part.
00:26:33
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um you know it's just a hook someone made a hook and they ran that hook into the ground because if you sing it 15 times over there's a really good chance people will start putting their hands in the air and dancing in the aisles and getting overly emotional um but i i don't know i mean i guess i know why this was sent my way on instagram but it was uh i remember talking about like Well, so, okay. um tom Tommy Green, we had him as a guest on the podcast a while back. Sleeping with Giants? No, Giants. Sleeping Giant. I was thinking Sleeping with Sirens and then...
00:27:11
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ah um Sleeping Giant is, ah you know, obviously Tommy Green is just a very, like, he's a very Christian guy. So he he started that metal worship band.
00:27:25
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um Oh, yeah. I forget what it's called. With Brian Walsh from Korn. Welsh, Walsh. um Yeah, I didn't listen to it at the time. and It was fine.
00:27:37
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It's like musically, yeah, it's just, you know, heavy. It's just like heavy music, but it's all praise Jesus lyrics, which I remember like, at ah you know, at my most Christian days at Liberty, it was like,
00:27:52
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You know, why can't people do honest, like why if people want to do worship music, why can't they do honest expressions of music and actually be talented with it and do so? So like, that's not for me anymore, but I'm not going to throw shade at that too hard. I think there's ah i think it's a little cheesy.
00:28:09
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Yeah. But that's because I don't care about that anymore. So, but then I saw this thing on Instagram. it was what if worship went punk?
00:28:19
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And I haven't even listened to this yet. So um I'm just going to play this real quick.
00:28:28
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Do
00:28:37
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you remember this song from Liberty?
00:28:45
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Oh, here comes. Here's the buildup.
00:28:51
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Very Paramore. Yeah.
00:28:59
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It doesn't really sound that much different than a praise song. It doesn't. um But it yeah, it's got a little poppier vibe to it. um And then I was just like, this is still complete hackery because I mean, one, the outlines there for you, like,
00:29:22
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Maybe people, some people aren't lyrics people, right? I know i know plenty of people who aren't lyrics people. They don't care. But if you if you're if you just decide that this is what you're going to do, like, this is like, po that's pop punk. Now, pop punk in general, I like it. um But i I also know that, like, the vast majority of it is is, it's as reductive musically as worship music. Like, a lot of pop punk is not.
00:29:51
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anything, yeah it's not mind blown. You don't have to be a great musician to to create some like pop punk chords. You know what i mean? So not only are you just like, you're gonna have you're just going to get but bottom of the barrel pop punk with probably just some powerhouse vocalist who doesn't even have to write any lyrics. You're just stealing other people's lyrics and repurposing them. That's all there is to do with worship music. There's all like 350 words you can even use in a worship song.
00:30:21
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and It's just everything just... every every Every time you go on the internet, it just feels like you're in a reductive, terrible mess of a situation where everything is...
00:30:31
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just stolen from something else and repurposed to make money like this is it this is an authentic this is a this is a grab at likes in monetization i just it's so it's just it's we're just done like this is what capitalism does to us you think because i feel like back in the day like
00:30:56
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authenticity was not really a factor that I even thought about in regards to worship music because it's like it's not about what you feel it's about what the truth is right like how much much that perspective you know alliteration can you do around the truth like it is what it is so you know you use the same ah the same five analogies of like you know, firm foundation, rock to lead on blah, blah, blah.
00:31:29
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Yeah. Our God is great. Our God is wonderful. our God is beautiful. It's like it's like ah radio edit country music, basically. Never-ending streams of magnificence. Old beer, tailgate, big truck.
00:31:44
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Yeah. yeah like I mean, i would I agree that at this, like, you probably caught on to it earlier than I did that it seems to lack authenticity. I don't think I understood authenticity. I think that's part of my thing. It was a lack of a lack of really ah fleshing that out on my hands.
00:32:05
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Yeah, and you but you personally struggled with feeling authenticity within that that anyway. It just felt like that, like you said, it just felt like it was true. So you did it, but you didn't have a lot of meaningful connection to it. Right. So that makes sense. i Some of this was misplaced on my part, but i there were people that like, you know,
00:32:26
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you know, your Liberty worship band or the worship bands at church, you're like, oh, this, these people are authentically doing this because they believe that they're praising God through it. And they, they have this honor in leading people in worship at this point. I don't know if that's the case. I think it's all just people who wish they could have been like real musicians and they have to, now they just get to do it in a place where people will always cheer for them and like them.
00:32:49
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um I'm sure there's well-meaning people involved in it, but then you like, when you see where most of the worship music and churches come from, then like you see Hillsong and then you look at those people and you go, this isn't about anything other than you like. you're Right.
00:33:04
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Just look, all you have to do is look at them in like just. Like ask Gemini, like circle their clothing in Gemini and ask it to pull it up where you can purchase it and it's going to be like 500 bucks for a pair of pants like these people are frauds.
00:33:21
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I do. I obviously like. ah
00:33:29
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Trump's like kind of drawn the ire of a lot of like religious communities here recently, like screaming at the Pope and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh, did you on nuclear weapons or whatever? Did you see Sean Hannity came out and said he's not Catholic anymore because of this?
00:33:45
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No way. It's crazy. like you didn't see that. That's amazing though. He, because the Pope is wrong about this. And obviously if you're Catholic, the Pope is supposed to be infallible. So, um, now, so he's not Catholic anymore. It's like, dude, so you never were, you never were. You're just a liar and a fraud too, because like, if, if your, your wake up call is,
00:34:12
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The Pope saying, you know, we shouldn't be bombing Iran. that that and that makes That makes you so mad that we can't bomb schools and hospitals that you now you're just like, well, I guess I'm not Catholic anymore. You know what he didn't draw the line at?
00:34:28
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When the Catholic Church was caught moving pedophile rapist priests around for decades.
00:34:37
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that's That was a few bad apples, but this yeah like this shook him to his core. The Pope having a problem with bombing middle schools and threatening total annihilation. that's That's where Sean Hannity draws the line, which, I mean, it makes some sense, right? you Because...
00:34:55
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Maybe that is his motivation. Maybe he he likes the protection of pedophiles and rapists because that's what our president is. And that's what his Epstein class is. And so it makes sense that Sean Hannity still wants to go to bat for those people.
00:35:09
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um But my God, like, how do you get how do you just like get any more mask off?
00:35:19
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Oh, I don't know. I mean, and then like the cheap gimmicks trying to get back and trying to like reaffirm that like, no, no, no, this is actually Christianity is very important to us. Like ah the the Trump and a bunch of like his cabinet members just signed up to take part in this America Reads the Bible.
00:35:39
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Yeah. youive you see that Oh my God, dude. It never every day, every day. It never ends. It's getting it. It feels like we're, it just, everything feels like simulation theory now.
00:35:53
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Like, yeah, even for Hannity, you go, dude, this is, this is, you're proving the point so hard that none of this matters, that it's all identity politics. All religion is or has been for these people is identity politics. And when their religion can't, when they're, when the religion at the Pope level for him goes against his identity politics, what wins a identity politics, right?
00:36:18
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You don't side with your religion. You only side with your identity politics and pull your religion in as a way to bolster and support your beliefs that you are right about everything and that God is on your side. It's so fucking gross.
00:36:30
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Yeah. the So the organizer for this, I don't know. I was trying to see if I could find any dirt on her really, but she mostly just has a funny name. Her name is Bunny Pounds.
00:36:44
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ah Okay. That's her birth name, huh? Apparently. She ran for election to the U.S. House of Representatives, Texas 5th Congressional District, lost in the Republican primary runoff on May 22nd, 2018, previously involved in Jeb Hensarling's political network.
00:37:07
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Professional experience includes founding and operating a Republican consulting and fundraising firm called Bunny Pounds, an associate and working Hensarling's campaign manager. Hensarling announced or endorsed Pounds to replace him in the U.S. House. She also received endorsements from House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, Right to Life Congresswoman Mia Love, and former Texas Senator Phil Graham.
00:37:34
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So it's just like old deep state Republican vampires, it sounds like. yeah But yeah, Trump is going to be reading from Second Chronicles, which he affectionately refers to as Two Chronicles. Right. Yeah.
00:37:48
Speaker
Oh, my God. I don't know how many people just fall for it. The news is exhausting. I'm so bored with it. Like, I'm so tired of like the... like reading an insane, like incendiary tweet, and then finding out two hours later that none of it's true anyways, you know?
00:38:05
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Yeah, that too. You've agreed to a ceasefire. Everything's going back to normal. The Strait of Hamus is open for business and then two so two ships try to go through and they like shoot at them. And Iran's like, Iran's just like, they're lying they're lying. And at this point, like the irony too is now they have like a more, like now like Iranians as a whole, like, sorry, you can probably hear a bunch of kids yelling in the background.
00:38:28
Speaker
ah But the irony being like, Your regime, yeah. was a regime The regime replacement is like, and now they're now they have like they're even more like resistant to the US s and working with it. They've created a regime over there that...
00:38:51
Speaker
is done with us. Like they don't, they're not interested in cutting a deal. They're not. Why would because you can't because every deal they've tried to cut, they just get bombed afterwards. It doesn't matter. And the people over there now are like, No, we don't want to cut a deal. We don't want to work with I mean, the fact that dude the fact that we fund it We're funding Ukraine in the Russia-Ukraine war, and then we decide to unsanction Russian oil to try to alleviate gas prices.
00:39:20
Speaker
Cool. Now we're funding both sides of this war. That's sick. And then like Trump even goes – we're even thinking of – we're going to unsanction Iranian oil. And Iran is just like, nah, bro. we're I think they did.
00:39:32
Speaker
And they but remove it's so stupid. if it's And to listen to like adults, to listen to adults that I know aren't really dumb people just constantly try to like run cover for this and explain why it actually makes sense. And that, cause he's a good businessman. It's like, when are you going to see that this is stupid? Like you're smart enough to know that you, like you, wouldn't no one would do this. This isn't a real way to run. This is, these are knee jerk reactions that are making everything worse.
00:40:01
Speaker
And now the only option is for Trump to just declare victory and move on. Like, that's what he'll end up doing eventually, hopefully, is just being like, we won, guys. We won. It's over. When it's, like, obviously not. It just doesn't – it's so, dude, whatever. If he even can. I mean, if they're going to stick to their guns on, like, you know, Israel stopped, you know, to quit bombing Lebanon, like – I mean, we have we've clearly have no control over that. They're going to do whatever they want. And that was another one of his tweets. We've sorted it out. We have a ceasefire. They're not going to bomb Lebanon anymore. yeah i've been Five minutes minutes later, they've bombed him ten times.
00:40:37
Speaker
I mean, they just never miss an opportunity to belittle him and make him look like a ah tiny man. that That seems what it is. It seems like theyre Israel is intentionally going out of their way to like...
00:40:48
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do the opposite of what Trump says just to prove a point. And then Trump's like, wait, no, we have a handle on this Netanyahu. He listens to me. No one listens to you. Well, last but not least here, I think this is particularly important for you because it sounds like you have a lot of unruly children running around. Yeah, they're going nuts. Yeah, but I texted you before I got on because I was like,
00:41:15
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Hey, give me a few minutes. We're trying to find my nephew. It's my, well, my cousins, but my wife's cousins kid, but he went to look for one of the other kids. Never, don't know.
00:41:27
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People start going, Hey, where is he? And we're like, I don't know. no So we're, we got a three story house that we're in and we're all just walking around looking for this kid. We're looking outside by the pool. We walk up to the beach.
00:41:40
Speaker
People start panic, start setting in, right? No one can find him. He's under the covers in the top bunk. Thought it was just kind of funny to like hide while people were looking for him. all That classic move. Cause we all, every, we all, I mean, every kid has done something stupid like that.
00:41:56
Speaker
Right. But yeah. um But yeah, it's, it's wild here. Try it. I'll tell you, try to get a nine month old to take a nap in this house has been a nightmare. I can imagine.
00:42:09
Speaker
yeah Well, I was at the thrift store this week. Yeah, so help me out. I need your i need your help. um How do i how do i deal with these children, man? You know, I don't have kids.
00:42:21
Speaker
I do know a lot about raising children, even still. But like I think in this case, it's best that we just go go to the experts. Don't you refer to your employees as your kids, as your children? It feels like it sometimes, and they are unruly. Because you're a family?
00:42:37
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It'll listen to anything I say. They're like, okay, dad. It's like, please just don't be mean to each other. that Just do that.
00:42:48
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And don't sleep with each other. Yeah. Well, that would that would cause a stir. Well, I was at the thrift store this weekend or, you know, during this week, and ah I picked up a couple of books that caught my attention. One is a really old, fun artwork on the cover, and it says answers. yeah it Billy Graham answers your questions.
00:43:12
Speaker
And it's from, ah I think it's it was from the 60s and it was revised in the 70s or something like that. But one that we're going to be talking about today. It's crazy that it was revised. in this Because honestly, if Billy Graham so connected to the heart of our Lord and Savior.
00:43:30
Speaker
i wouldn't think that he, I mean, a revision kind of is just an admission that you were wrong with some of your answers. It's true. Your advice wasn't good. maybe ah Maybe he soured on the Vietnam War in the meantime. yeah So it's like why should we trust the revision?
00:43:49
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Well, this is also a revised book. This is called The New Dare to Discipline by none other than Dr. James Dobson. Hey, a hero amongst us.
00:44:01
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Yes. so Is he dead? Did he die?
00:44:05
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Oh, boy. i don't know, actually. i don't think. Maybe he did. can't remember James I'm gonna look it up I really can't remember it's funny because it's like one of those ones that you'd think would stick because you'd be so excited um but then you realize you also don't care about him at all yeah he did that's right August 21st 2025 oh shucks what an unremarkable man
00:44:38
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So this book is about parenting and his passion. It starts off funny right off the bat. passion is parenting other people's children.
00:44:50
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It says this is a book about children and those who love them. The first edition has a whole workshop on how to properly spank your kids and you bring them to him when they do something wrong and he teaches you the right way. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:45:03
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This is the first edition was written in the early 1970s when I was a professor of pediatrics at the University of Southern California School of Medicine. Here's the interesting part.
00:45:13
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Our own children were still preschoolers, which made it risky to offer advice about parenting techniques. You wrote a parenting book when you hadn't even parented kids yet?
00:45:25
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like yeah Well, he's trusting science. If anything, we know that Dobson, as ah as a doctor of pediatrics, was was trusting the science available at the time.
00:45:37
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Right. He does reference some science, which we'll get to in a second here. Yeah. is uh is funny how outdated it it probably is but yeah so this is a book all about how to parent and uh you know the the the loving way to discipline and correct your children and properly mentor them and um He does kind of like lay out in the preamble that, you know, strict disciplinarians and and parents who are like overly like aggressive in disciplining their kids are are bad.
00:46:16
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But that also, you know, like. ah Don't throw the baby out of the bathwater. Yeah. have to sing worship songs and have ah have like joy in your heart while you're spanking your children.
00:46:29
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Yeah, it's kind of like a golf swing where like, you know, when you're so when you're hitting ah like a wedge, you know, you're chipping, you're you're not you you keep your wrist straight.
00:46:43
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So rather than getting the full impact, you know, by by flicking your wrist on your way through the swing, you keep your wrist straight so that you just get, ah you know, ah it's kind of a quarter swing.
00:46:54
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that's That's sort of the the rule that we follow when it comes to like, you know, spanking a child or caning their calves or whatever. Gotcha. Yeah. The old quarter swing. I got you.
00:47:05
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But yeah, he also thinks that the the hippie movement, you know, hands off parenting style is is just as bad. So just as bad. So it'll it's so much. It's just as it's equally as bad as abusing your kids.
00:47:23
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He like specifically calls out abuse. So like, Hey, good. That's great. which But he like the examples that he are crazy. Cause he's like talking about his time as a, as a family counselor and what I, and he's like, he's like, I remember the father who used to wrap his son's soiled underwear and sheets around his face and then dunk him in the toilet to punish him for wetting his bed. Yeah.
00:47:53
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And then another a lady. Jesus Christ. Did he report that? I bet he didn't even. He's telling these stories. i bet he didn't even report it. he's a man He's probably a mandated reporter and he did nothing with that.
00:48:03
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like no You might have gone a little too far. He used that example. And then a lady who who carved her daughter's eyes out with scissors. Yeah.
00:48:13
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So you know discipline can go too far. Yeah, that's a great example. What kind of extremes are we wearing? and that What kind of extremes? that's He counseled the the family from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. to even call that To even bring those examples to the table as though that there are people reading your books that might mistake that for effective forms of discipline that he needs to call it. like If you're writing a book about discipline, you shouldn't even have to address that.
00:48:43
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Because that's so far outside the lines, but he has to. This really doesn't fall under the category of discipline, even in a even in a bad sense. It's outside the allowable spectrum by so far that we need not mention the lady who carved her kid's eyes out. yeah as As the flip side of hippie parents who just let their kids like run amok.
00:49:06
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Because that's another form of abuse. Yes. So there's ah there's a number of different chapters to pick from here. And of course, I haven't read all of these, but I wanted to skip to one.
00:49:18
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ah Chapter five is called The Miracle Tools, part one. Chapter five in books is, I think, usually where you get to the real me. You know, if you're going to have a chapter be influential, it has to be in the middle because you're you're moving people towards it. But You have to also recognize that most people won't finish your books. So you can't like leave the best stuff to the end.
00:49:43
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Right. You got to set the table in the early chapters. Yeah. and you need tocento in the wing yeah This is, this is a, if this was a, ah you know, a fancy after church lunch, right. We're, we're in the blooming onion portion of the book right here.
00:49:59
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Yeah, you had a fry later? This is the sex the the Southwest egg roll of the book. Yeah. in the preceding chapters we dealt with the proper parental response to a child's defiant challenging behavior now we turn our attention to the leadership of children to where antagonism is not involved There are countless situations with a parent which is to increase the child's level of responsibility, but that task is not easy. How can a mother get her child to brush his teeth regularly or pick up his clothes or display table manners?
00:50:30
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How could she teach him to be more responsible with money? And so on and so forth. These kinds of behaviors do not involve direct confrontations between parent and child and should not be handled in the same decisive manner described previously.
00:50:44
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so What was the manner discussed previously? i think spanking them. You don't pull off their fingernail, obviously, but you do kind of pull on it.
00:50:56
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if You discipline them by like, oh, you didn't brush your teeth, now I have to do it, and you just jam it into the back of their gums really hard the whole time. Dude, I would talk under those circumstances so fast. Yeah.
00:51:14
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If like the CIA pulled me aside and just stabbed me in the gums with like a sharp Dorito, like I'd fold. You're hitting that that soft tissue in the back where the jawline connects.
00:51:27
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Just keep, sorry kid, gotta get your molars. You missed them. God forgive me. Um... um So basically this chapter, he's going to lay out some techniques for encouraging children to do good behavior rather than disciplining them for doing bad behavior. Right. Okay.
00:51:47
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The first educational psychologist E.L. Thorndike developed an understanding of behavior in the 1920s that can be very useful for parents. He called it the law of reinforcement. Later, the concept became the basis for a branch of psychology known as behaviorism, which I resoundingly reject. Yeah, the 1920s. That's so crazy. the night Because behaviorism sprouted what?
00:52:08
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He resoundingly rejects behaviorism. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, he does? Yeah. Yep, and I don't know. yeah That's nuts. That doesn't even make sense. That's what the... Behaviorism is described by B.F. Skinner and J.B. Watson and includes the unbelievable notion that the mind does not exist.
00:52:31
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One of my college textbooks referred to behaviorism as psychology out of its mind. Well said. Something tells me that that's a really derivative explanation of...
00:52:42
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So why I'm already having a hard time with this is i I have a soft rejection of behaviorism. um I think there are areas where that understanding is helpful. But what he's failing to mention is that the people who, you know, behaviorism is just like Pavlov's dog, you know, everyone knows that experiment that the Pavlovian effect. So like, yes, that's part of it that you can impact behavior.
00:53:13
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like basically it's mechanical that you'll just X happens, then you'll do Y. So like, and you can reinforce behaviors by repetition and shit like that. So like the people who, who,
00:53:26
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to who initially developed behaviorism. Like no one, no one stopped there. Like it's even, even for this guy writing this book when he did there was progression in that field at the time. When was this book? You said the, when was this one?
00:53:39
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Oh, I forget when the, when this copy was revised. Let's say nineties.
00:53:48
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Yeah. I don't know. Sometime in night, let's say that So I'm saying like the field of behaviorism had progressed. since the people started and that's how it is with all fields of psychology too, where it's like, you know, cognitive behavioral therapies changed over time. Like there every aspect of this changes over time. So like for him, when, when people go back to like the founders of, uh, of a school of thought and then reject it based on that and not the developments that have occurred based on the, like the real research that was done, uh, it just, we needed more like,
00:54:25
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is annoying. listening to this art And it's also annoying listening to him reject behaviors and when I do think that to a large degree that's what he is all about. That's what he is doing with his disciplinary methods. I think so.
00:54:38
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I think that's exactly what he's doing. Despite my disagreement with the extrapolation of Thorndike's writings, there's no question that the original concept can be helpful to parents. Stated simply, the law of reinforcement reads, behavior which achieves desirable consequences will recur.
00:54:55
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Which, fine. All right. So let's go into an ex let's go into an analogy here, okay? Which, behaviorism is mostly trended towards positive reinforcements, or more powerful than negative reinforcements.
00:55:07
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um So rewards for doing the right thing, and what you would refer to as natural consequences for not doing the right thing or the thing that's expected.
00:55:20
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but anyway. Hmm. In the first edition of this book, I describe the use of these techniques with our old with our little Docton, Sigmund Freud, or s Siggy.
00:55:31
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Old Siggy lived for 15 years, but has gone has now gone on to wherever feisty dogs go when they die. Hell. His dog's in hell waiting for him. So he goes on to talk about his dog being super independent and like not really responding to training.
00:55:52
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He says in short, it was difficult to entice Siggy to cooperate in any self-improvement programs without offering him an edible incentive. He was particularly fond of cookies. It's just like weed gummy.
00:56:04
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you wait Wait, just wait. This dog likes to get stoned out of his mind to cope with all of the abuse that it suffers. but He has to listen to Dobson read his books out loud. Yeah.
00:56:18
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Sometimes girls have particularly nice feet. dog's like, I need a gummy. He was particularly fond of cookies, however, and I utilized this passion to good advantage. I propped him in a vertical position where he remained for only a second or two before falling.
00:56:36
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Then I gave him a piece of an old-fashioned chocolate chip cookie. He loved it. figured that was like dog biscuits or something, but he's actually giving his dog chocolate chip cookies. Yeah, chocolate. To adopt him.
00:56:52
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i noticed that the more chocolate he gave this dog the longer he just sat there and didn't move yeah the more cte he got chocolate and brain damage but so he goes on talking about uh um you know dealing with his dog and you know blah blah blah and he's kind of like you know i know kids aren't dogs basically and uh Then he starts laying out the rules.
00:57:19
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One, rewards must be granted quickly. If the maximum effectiveness is to be obtained from a reward, it should be offered shortly after the desirable behavior has occurred. Parents often often make the mistake of offering long-range rewards to children, but the successes are few.
00:57:35
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It is usually unfruitful to offer a nine-year-old Joey a car when he is 16 if he'll work hard in school during the next seven years. Dude, what? Yeah, obviously, you idiot. But like even like go more short term. Like it what the does he only work in egregious examples?
00:57:55
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Just to wait. Like, I feel like all he does is I feel like all he does is pick extremes. And then you go, yeah, of course. that's ah And the people are like, you know what? That's such a good idea. Like I was I've been offering my nine year old a car.
00:58:08
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That's crazy. It's like. yeah ah Yeah, because there's he's right in that you know a reward quickly after is a thing to do. like So it's like if you do X, then Y happens versus like like when I work with parents at my school, it's like they'll say like if you're good all week, we'll do something on Friday you know after school. and we're like So I love the idea behind it I encourage you to try to do something more short short term, right? If you have ah just a good day at school, do something, you know, like, and it can lead up to something. So it's like, kids like to go to five below.
00:58:46
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So it's like, if you have a good day at school, you ah will add a dollar to your jar and then And by Friday, you have $5 to go to five below if you've had a good. So like that dealing with it in short, shorter term, like anytime you can shrink the distance between the good thing that happened in the reward is good. But then for him to jump to an example of like, if they have a good day in kindergarten, they'll get a prize when they graduate high school. It's like, shut the fuck up. That's so stupid. Everybody knows that's dumb. You got to hit them in between. That's the big thing. Yeah.
00:59:21
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So yeah, he goes, he makes a long winded retort of that idea. Although children can tolerate longer delays than animals, the power of reward is weakened with time. Here's where, ah here's the part that I thought you would find interesting because we're going to get into the science.
00:59:38
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Okay. I like the science. Immediate reinforcement has been utilized successfully in the treatment treatment of childhood autism, a major disorder which resembles childhood schizophrenia.
00:59:49
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jesus christ
00:59:53
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yeah so
01:00:08
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i read that out loud at my table at my kitchen table and april's like what oh my god dude the view that people had of autism then is so funny this oh it's only gets worse from here The autistic child does not relate properly to his parents or any other people. He has no spoken language. He usually displays bizarre, uncontrollable behavior.
01:00:32
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What causes this distressing disorder? The evidence seems to point toward the existence of a biochemical malfunction in the autistic child's neural apparatus. for whatever means And And demons.
01:00:46
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Maybe that's where demons like dock. Yeah. Neural apparatus. Yeah. For whatever cause, autism is extremely resistant to treatment. How can a therapist help a child who can neither talk nor relate to him?
01:01:00
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That's also like, obviously autistic kids can talk. This guy sounds so stupid. Even in in the 90s, we knew kids with autism. Well, not really. liketo One of the things you'll hear, I'm sure you've heard people of like your parents' age, maybe even your parents' age.
01:01:15
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and it's It's common amongst that age group to say things like, back in my day, not many kids had autism. Now so many kids have it. And then they like blame vaccines and shit. And you're like, yeah, but also like we know more about it. And now there's we have level one, two, and three autism.
01:01:33
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Level three autism would be more like what Dobson's talking about here. But even at level three, to just talk about them like they're just – complete neanderthals is crazy because that's i mean it can get like it can get incredibly challenging um but like or it can be but it's also like like dude i was talking my my barber uh and i were talking and he was like we were talking about this thing exactly like about like, cause he mentioned his dad complaining about, Oh, people, cause kids, so many more people have autism now. It's like, that's just not true. You were just, you were just diagnosing them as schizophrenics.
01:02:14
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Yeah. And you weren't, and we weren't diagnosing low level autism. Like, cause he was like, I, he, my barber was like, I, but I'm convinced my dad's autistic. And he's just like talking about other people. Like he can't believe cause he's like, what, I mean, what he basically quit his job. Like,
01:02:32
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as an adult man to like just work on like a very niche type of boat and like rehabbing them and selling them. And he's like, his life is boats. He's obsessed with boats. He doesn't stop talking about boats. I'm like, yeah, dude, they just didn't know how to diagnose you when you were a child. They didn't die. And like, i we have I have friends who's like, I've mentioned this guy before, but I have ah i have friends whose dad is an inventor.
01:03:00
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That's his job on his like on his tax documents. He's an inventor. He just tinkers in his basement and he doesn't know how to talk to people and he's very peculiar. And you're like, yeah, that's that youre theres there's no clearer sign of adult undiagnosed autism than this man. And you just go like, you guys all got missed. It's not that we just started giving it to people. It's that you've had it for 50 years and nobody just did anything about it.
01:03:30
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Yeah, there's so many people he looked up to as kids are autistic. Look at Dr. Robotnik.
01:03:38
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yeah oh So, okay. How can a therapist help a child that can neither talk nor relate to him? All prior forms of treatment have involved have been discouragingly ineffective, which led Dr. Ivar Lovis and his colleagues to experiment many years ago with the use of rewards.
01:04:00
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At the University of California in Los Angeles, autistic children were placed on a program designed to encourage speech. This is a good program. Yeah, encourage speech. At first... what do do Do screams count as speech? Well... Cries for help.
01:04:17
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They do, actually. Oh, God. At first, a bit of candy was placed into the child's mouth whenever he uttered a sound of any kind. His grunts, groans, and growls were rewarded similarly.
01:04:29
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The next step was to reward him for more specific vowel sounds. When an O sound was to be taught, Candy was paid for all accidental noises in the proper direction. As the child progressed, he was finally required to pronounce the names of certain objects or people to achieve the reinforcement.
01:04:46
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Two-word phrases were then sought, followed by more complicated sentence structure. Some language was taught to these unfortunate children by this simple procedure. The same technique has been employed simultaneously in teaching the autistic child to respond to the people around him. This is my favorite experiment, by the way.
01:05:06
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And I think that I i feel like just I'm just I'm hearing things in the background. I think that you could try this out like this afternoon. OK, I'll take notes.
01:05:17
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ah He was placed in a small dark box which had one sliding wooden window. The therapist sat on the outside of the box facing the child who peered out the window. As long as the child... As long as the child looked at the therapist, the window remained open. However, when his mind wandered and he began gazing around, the panel fell, leaving him in the dark for a few seconds. its That's crazy. Dude, how would they know the kid looks back?
01:05:46
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if i that's a great question i didn't even think about that do you reward the screams yeah does he at least get some candy while he's howling in the dark when they slide it open they're so like excited for the light they look through and they see eyes dude that's so that is another dude because obviously kids with autism don't always uh they don't they sometimes struggle to make eye contact depending on you know the level of it but like So yeah, like it's funny because ABA, BCBAs, whatever, they're all, it's basically a whole segment of working like a behaviorism.
01:06:26
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BCBAs, board certified behavior analysts, and then ABA techs work underneath them, which are, you know, Applied Behavior Analysts. I think that's what it stands for. But it's like, and this is kind of what they do is just like rewards for doing the thing, whatever. It's basically this and they often work with kids with autism to create, to help them create positive patterns. But like,
01:06:53
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I mean, dude, even working in like a school-based setting where kids, where I have to work with kids with autism, there is like that, like, they used to put goals on students' IEPs that be able to maintain eye contact for certain periods of time, which is now considered something that's like fucked up. Like, like, because society said that making eye contact is like an important piece of social communication. And it it it's typical, but it's like,
01:07:19
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why can't there, why can't society just adapt to the fact that there are people who exist that are like really can't. And that trying to force that is a problem. Like yeah if they can function in big of a deal in society, like if you just don't look at people in the eye when you're out and about in the world, like it doesn't really make that big of a difference. Or if they're talking to you it's like, look at me when I'm talking to you. Like that's such like a authoritarian parent thing to say. um Like,
01:07:47
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I work with kids who are very smart. They're very capable. They're going to, with the right scaffolding, they're going to do really well in this world and probably find themselves in a niche career. And they'll probably not like talking to people very much. They probably won't want to look at them. They'll be argumentative and combative. There's going to be challenging aspects of their personality, but like, we're also missing out an opportunity to provide intelligent people with the, like ah the ability to like,
01:08:16
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do well in this world because what you didn't hire them because you didn't like they didn't look at you enough during the interview process you like arrogant fucking like what what what is that it's just like are they capable of doing the job great give them a job don't don't just be like sorry they don't make enough eye contact or they kind of look around or look nervous like who cares as you and we like like what is your candy budget though um Like obviously it'd be harder in sales, like with what you do. Like so like you might not, you're not going to fit for peer to peer interaction, but you might do a really good job working from home. Like do I have to have analyzing spreadsheets? Do have to also hire somebody to be there to put the candy in his mouth?
01:09:01
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Yeah. I mean, that's ah a proper accommodation that should be legally protected. Dude. Dude. Woke is out of control. Yeah. it's It's ruining capitalism. I'll tell you.
01:09:17
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using you to get a handle Using woke as a noun is the most annoying thing in the world. yeah Because of woke, and you know it's like you you sound like such a knuckle-dragging moron when you say that.
01:09:32
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I think because of the shift in society, really, we need government subsidized candy givers. And every company needs someone who walks around with candy and places it in people's mouths for doing a good job. And I think that would increase increase productivity. If I could have, if I was able to, when I was working in a cubicle, if some stranger came and stuck his thumb in my mouth with it you know, little piece of hard candy on it. One of those strawberry ones that we got out of a grandparent's dish when we were seven years old. That's hard on the outside, but soft in the middle, but typically overly chewy because they've been sitting out for 10 years before anyone actually ate them.
01:10:08
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Yeah. Yeah. Like if you give them Tootsie Rolls and it takes them 20 minutes to chew it, like, are you getting ongoing benefits from that? Or is it? Yeah, that's a great question. They become frustrated and start howling again.
01:10:22
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Right. Is that like, say maybe jawbreakers would be a good, a good one. Like those last a long time. And then when it, it maybe just, maybe just transition to nicotine pouches, just walk around shove nicotine pouches. and people in there did I want somebody with like a ah packet of fun dip and they just like lick their finger, dip it and then rub it on my gums. every yeah a Like a little blast of Coke.
01:10:50
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So, um, So yeah, however, when his mind wandered and he began gazing around, the panel fell, leaving him in the dark for a few seconds. um Where he screams and panics and smashes all sides of the box.
01:11:06
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ah Although no child with severe autism has been successfully transformed into a normal individual. No child with severe autism has ever successfully made it out of the box. ah They usually die in there, so they double as coffins. Actually, we just coffins with the box now. ah yeah Coffins with little wooden slider on it. What's the box?
01:11:35
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What's in the box? This is just autistic kids.
01:11:39
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ah Yes. Although no child with severe autism has been successfully transformed into a normal individual, the use of the reinforcement therapy did bring some of these patients to a state of civilized behavior.
01:11:54
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The key to this success has been the immediate application of a pleasant consequence to desired behavior. you could You could not make giving someone giving somebody a reward sound more barbaric than like those two different things.
01:12:09
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Right. And um I wanted to hear how this gets into like dead discipline, you know, because I really am curious as to like, Because he's focusing on positive, but like he also loves spankings. And I'm curious to how that kind of comes into play. like when do you I'm just curious, when do you spank the autistic child? you know I don't know.
01:12:29
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Yeah, I guess whenever you get them out of the box.
01:12:34
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An understanding of how reinforcement works is not only useful in hospitals for autistic children, it also helps explain the way behavior works at home, as we have seen. For example, parents often complain about the irresponsibility of their youngsters, yet they fail to realize that some of that this lack of industriousness has been learned.
01:12:52
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Most human behavior is learned, both the desirable and the undesirable responses. Children learn to laugh, play, run, and jump. they also learned to whine, bully, pout, fight, throw temper tantrums, or be tomboys.
01:13:09
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Oh, not the worst thing imaginable. What a weird one to throw in there on top of it. he It's because his problem with tomboys is he doesn't like the feet of tomboys. Yeah, too dirty.
01:13:23
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A little too dirty. cup Too many calluses, not soft enough. Getting muck between your toes and stuff. He's not that kind of foot guy. yeah There are plenty of those out there, though, if you do like like stepping on cakes or yeah brushing mice or whatever. But he likes soft, clean feet. Yeah.
01:13:43
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you So he then goes on to lay out a reward system, which is, dude, this is exactly how my school worked when I was in ya school.
01:13:56
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It's basically like a little card, like a goal a goal card that says my jobs. And ah you would like... write your goals in for the day like i think you did it for the week like at the beginning of the week you would write your goals in you'd set your goals and then you would have to check them off at the end of each day and the teacher would sign off on them and if you didn't get them done then you would have to do them at home that night when you went home and if you didn't do them then like you just neglected to do them all together they called that old goals and you would lose you got spanked no
01:14:34
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Yeah, they would they wouldn't let you like go out on morning break or afternoon break or whatever if you had old goals like you had to stay. But it didn't really like you know For me and like my sister, we would just breeze through and get it all done at school. like So we almost never did any homework ever.
01:14:54
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But for the kids who didn't do that, like there was really no consequences to speak of for kids who like just totally ignored this whole thing and just did whatever they wanted to.
01:15:05
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So there was like a good 20% of the kids at my school that just basically refused to do schoolwork for like most of the time. And if you were there long enough, they would just find a way to give you a GED and like get you out of there.
01:15:21
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Yeah, because i mean they're trying to they can't look like they're incompetent and get kids, like that they can't graduate kids, you know? Yeah. so No, but dude, that's funny. this is That's the thing about school, though, that I think some people don't realize, and kids like me never realize, that adults are actually really powerless.
01:15:42
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They don't, like, that's just, a it's just, they have to create the feeling that they have some power over you, but they really don't like we I mean, did we all knew kids who were just grounded in perpetuity, right? We knew kids who just didn't do anything.
01:15:59
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And then like at school, it's like, what consequences are there? What can they do? Like, nothing. There's nothing that can really happen. Oh, like detention, maybe. Yeah.
01:16:11
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suspension that's a i mean the kids who don't do anything love being su suspended you really are like you're very reliant on their peers to ridicule them and embarrass them enough to like forty they like they made bullying goals for kids who did the right thing they're like we need you to bully the kids who aren't doing what and tell them they're stupid it's good training because it's like look uh You know, love is not excusing someone's self-destructive behavior. Love is helping them see the error of their ways and correct it so that they can live a product a productive life. So if you if you actually love your friend who's always in detention and never and always has old goals, you won't just like say, hey, it's OK, man, I know you're having a hard day. You will ridicule them and embarrass them. until they go get their work done.
01:16:59
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yeah That's how we express express your love. And maybe someday they turn out, they say they're gay, and then you can ridicule them and embarrass them until they forcefully marry a ah chicken Ugg boots that they can then hate for the rest of their lives.
01:17:16
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Ugg boots, skinny jeans, and a flannel? Yeah. Yeah, they can he can be forced into a ah ah a marriage of a consequence with a a pampered chef sales lady. Yeah. You finally got that garage, but it's full of Tupperware. yeah And then every day you can pull your car into the, into the stall and think about just like leaving it running and taking a nap.
01:17:43
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ah Just, just die in there with all the melted Tupperware. Yeah.
01:17:51
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Actually, they should... I always wondered this. Why don't they make Tupperware coffins? Like, just seal them up. Microplastics? you're just Just kidding. We don't care about those. the belch that keeps you fresh? Yeah, why don't? We should... a plastic I want a 3D printed coffin. Those are probably a lot cheaper.
01:18:09
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Yeah, it'd be like... ah You'd be like ah like leaving a McDonald's cheeseburger out in the rain for like three months. like It doesn't look right, but it doesn't look that much different.
01:18:19
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yeah Honestly, we could start burying people in giant McDonald's cheeseburgers at that point. Dude, that's... Okay, breakthrough. just Yeah, you dig ah you dig a giant round hole, you put in a massive bun, you put in the person, then you put on the the diced onion, and you put on a little ketchup and mustard.
01:18:41
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and slap the top on a McDouble. It's a McDouble. that is that's This is actually a really revolutionary idea. This is like the autism box of ah of ah after-death care.
01:18:53
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It supports your... your ah you know It's like fertilizer at that point. you know I think. I don't know what other chemicals are in it. It might kill might kill anything that could grow above it. I'm not sure. It could feed the worms.
01:19:08
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longer. um it would definitely keep you in there until like, like, right, you need proper decomposition to happen.
01:19:18
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um So like, cause you can't just have rotted flesh and organs and shit, just chilling under. So it needs everything turns to soup eventually. Yeah. It needs to, it it needs to give you, but yeah the, the McDonald's burger definitely outlast ah you turning into like you would turn to soup before the McDonald's cheeseburger did.
01:19:40
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And then you don't have to deal with like all these old boxes in the ground to pick up later. It's kind of like, it's like a, it's like a mix between burial and cremation at that point. like yeah you don't get you don't get the liquefied remains obviously to put anywhere well the buns absorbent so you might get some of it back like you eventually you turn into caucasian dump gumbo and just sink into the bread yeah and it's basically a bread bowl for corpses yeah i think is awesome I don't know what Panera has been doing, but if they need a side hustle, because I think their business is a little bit down, they should just start baking giant bread bowls.
01:20:19
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We all have to adapt in this post-AI economy. that We're in a hustle culture. We we are in a hustle culture. um It doesn't have to be an idea that lasts forever because everything is about making fast money before the idea dies and then you move on to something else. Longevity is irrelevant now. And we don't even know if we have tomorrow. We weren't even promised tomorrow, bro. I mean, we're just...
01:20:44
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we just We could die in nuclear holocaust, so get your bag now, make your giant bread bowls, make your McDouble coffins.
Satirical Discussions on Economic Hardships
01:20:54
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if If the job market gets bad enough, do you think we could reach a point where um you know poor people, like to make ends meet, they just start like locking arms around a ah rich person's corpse and sort of being like a human casket?
01:21:14
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I get it. Locking arms would be tough. I think you could properly sew them all together. Yeah. And then pump them full of formaldehyde to prevent...
01:21:25
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the decomposition too quickly, but I don't know. I feel like we're always looking for ways for rich people to exploit the poor and use them. So I think, I think you're onto something. I think that's an an important part of our society that will never go
Critiques on Homelessness Solutions
01:21:43
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away. So we need to figure out how to repurpose poor people for something that is like helpful because we can't have them sleeping on benches anymore.
01:21:51
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That's obviously a huge problem. Right. that we we We've shifted away from as a society. That's what we started creating cool little like we started creating like benches with holes in the middle or like with ah with ah little armrests on them in the middle. So that way, like you can't sleep. but So like we're moving in the right direction. it can Spikes.
01:22:14
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But now we need a new location for them. I think at some level, like honestly, you know, we could probably just create a makeshift island somewhere and just have like, have like poor town where they all go.
Dark Humor on Organ Sales
01:22:28
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It's just, it's kind of like Lord of the Flies for poor people. There's a lot of ways that I think this could happen. And I know, i know the people in charge are certainly working on something because We do have a homeless problem and we are trying to solve it. And usually we look for the most inhumane ways possible.
01:22:45
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Yeah. What I like about the human casket idea is that, you know, you really just need the candy shell. So you could also sell your organs to like a rich alcoholic. You could give him your liver and kind of double up on the, ah you know, on the rewards points.
01:23:03
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It's crazy that they, you know, we we live in a world where they they frown. we Our country really frowns on doctor-assisted suicide. um Yeah, I have a feeling that's going to shift.
01:23:17
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The more useless humans get, the more we're going to be open to the idea that some of them could just go. Right. So I'm thinking, like, if your family's struggling and we shift away from that, that... um that inclination that there's a problem with that. Like, if you could like go like you could you could be healthy, you're just poor. I mean, and you could go to the hospital and be like, I want to sell all of my organs to set up this financial safety net for my family.
01:23:47
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And then yeah, they just put you under and take them like it's your body, your choice, I guess I think it's fairly progressive. But yeah, like we'll do your kids appendix surgery if you get in the pod.
01:23:58
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well we'll keep talking. I think we have enough ideas to you know run for a Republican Senate seat, though.
01:24:09
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yeah
Blaming the Poor vs. Wealth Inequality
01:24:10
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Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of brainstorming we as a culture have to do now that, you know, the petrodollar is dead and we're second fiddle to China and probably a few other people. Like, we got to get industrious. We have to dig deep. That's the American way, right? Like, when the going gets hard, you find a person below you to make it harder for.
01:24:30
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Right. You find someone else to blame. That didn't do anything other than... exist You know, it's like, oh, we obviously the problem isn't the wealthiest. It's the poorest. And we go, yeah, because we've seen the poorest. And sometimes we don't like them because they asked us for money on the side of the street. And that made us uncomfortable. Yeah. Versus like the billionaires, they don't ask for our money. They just take it in AI subsidies and our taxes. And it just feels different. So I don't, it just doesn't, it's whether or not, have you made somebody personally uncomfortable? They're more likely to just let you die in a meat grinder.
01:25:08
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Yeah, pretty much.
Closing Remarks: Controversial Claims and Humor
01:25:10
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Yeah, when the going gets hard, you you get hard and get going. Yeah. that's
01:25:18
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That's profound. Dude, that's a good tattoo idea. Actually, I think we'll close on that note. Yeah. You wrapped it up nice. Thank you folks for listening.
01:25:29
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And, uh, if you are, um, I hope this was informative. I know we do have some young parents in the audience and, uh, you know, what with like children's Tylenol and all, there's a lot of autistic kids out there.
01:25:45
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So, yeah. Yeah. you know Hopefully this was instructive as well as entertaining. And vaccines. Careful with the vaccines. Oh, and I forgot, you know going back to real quick to Kash Patel.
01:25:58
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um Yeah, the children's novel really helped him get his job as head of FBI, but he also was selling a um He was hawking a supplement that reversed the COVID vaccine.
01:26:13
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So maybe look into that. If you are trying to make your un-autism your child, you could look into that. Yeah. Yeah. It worked for Kash Patel's parents.
01:26:25
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All right, folks. Have a good one. And we will talk to you time.