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Ep. 265 – Duggar Family Values & The Clavicular of Boomermaxxing
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This week we’re checking in on America’s ickiest family outside Capitol Hill, the Duggars! These folks just can’t seem to stay out of the spotlight. While Josh has traditionally generated most of the Duggar-related headlines, his brother Joseph and wife Kendra are giving him a run for his money. It’s a disgusting, shocking story and we hope they get what they deserve. Then we discuss a local hero whose good deeds are almost too abundant to list, but that’s not going to stop him from trying… Enjoy the show!
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Duggar Family Controversies
00:00:00
Speaker
You don't lock children in rooms to keep them safe. That's how you endanger them. Here's the thing. If thy hand offend you by molesting your sibling, it's better to cut it off. Okay. I agree. Yeah. So to mate, like, is it better to die in a fire, but pure or to live on to molest your siblings?
00:00:20
Speaker
Here's where, but pure. So are you talking about ah the purity of of Josh here? Right. Right. I'd say, I guess both. Yeah.
00:00:32
Speaker
Both. Okay. See, now you're dipping your toes in the dangerous territory. Well, you know, I mean, i would assume that the thought has crossed the Duggar parents' minds that in being molested, their son may have spoiled his sibling's spouse's wedding gift or something. yeah You know that that thought has crossed there. Yeah, no, you're right, dude. You are in the mind of the Duggars right now. They're worried about their bride price. That's what they're worried about.
00:01:17
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. and I'm Casey. And as some of you may have noticed, once again, we skipped a week. that's been ah That's been the theme of the past like nine months for us. um Life's kind of bubbled up in a lot of ways. you know I had a kid, that's my excuse. You, i don't know, don't like spending time with your wife and you're a workaholic now, so...
00:01:41
Speaker
and Last week, i dude, I pulled a leak last week. Yeah, when you were telling me about it, I was like, oh, gee, yeah. We can plan for an episode, but we might not get it in. I'm like, all right, we're just not going to plan for it. That's not happening.
00:01:55
Speaker
Yeah, I probably, I mean, I think I worked like 50 hours in three
Personal Anecdotes and Humor
00:02:00
Speaker
days. Yeah, that's nice. like That's always fun. And it was fine. I got through it. Like, you know, people get sick. you got How many energy drinks did you have in those three days? Oh, too many.
00:02:11
Speaker
gangny Like, I think I'm literally like poisoning myself with this. Yeah, oh for sure. Every day, every day, like the end of the day, I think I really got cut back on all this crap. Like I'm taking in too much of these like stimulants and whatnot. And you'd be better off smoking cigarettes at this point.
00:02:27
Speaker
yeah I think so. Yeah. I mean, it's less trashy. I mean, the only reason they haven't truly linked energy drinks to all sorts of thyroid cancers is ah just they have such a good lobby, dude. Yeah. they like You're lobbying constantly.
00:02:43
Speaker
You're not beating Nestle. No. You're going drain the Great Lakes and poison all the white trash in the middle of the country like me. I mean, Nestle has the power to, and I saw this this past week, um you know, when you look at all like the you know Western cultures and or countries, you know, every single one of them, except for the United States, has mandned mandatory maternity and paternity leave.
00:03:08
Speaker
And the reason the United States doesn't is because companies like Nestle, who also are ah one of the big producers for baby formula, constantly lobby against it. you know April was telling me that she was reading an article the other day uh,
00:03:25
Speaker
how like the potty training time for kids has like more than doubled over the past 50 years or something like that, specifically because of like lobbying and like public information. I love this country, like diaper companies and whatnot.
00:03:41
Speaker
The hilarity of ever once believing that we were the greatest country on earth and that we weren't just behold, like back before we had the internet and we thought we lived in simpler times, we were beholden to the corporate overlords.
00:03:53
Speaker
Yeah, dude. And like, You know, it takes it takes 50 years for a real story like that to come out. So like in 2045, we're going to finally get the straight story. I'm like the United Fruit documentary on like what Coca-Cola has done in the Yellow Five mines in like Cambodia. yeah Just like cutting kids hands off to to farm caramel color.
00:04:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:04:23
Speaker
It's true, dude. Everything is like, and we get all of our information. they All the information comes out when like the boulders already like, it's like an avalanche, right? Like the avalanche has already started. So they give you all this information just to increase your feelings of hopelessness and uselessness to fight against it.
00:04:41
Speaker
that's ah That's it. That's it. Yeah. Oh, so I got to tell you a story. So I've been ah I've been doing like a bunch of training with some of my guys where I'll you know they'll be like, hey, can you come up and help me with this like ah transmission demo or whatever?
00:04:58
Speaker
Sure. So it's what I love about my job now is that I get to go in and help and then I leave, you know, you call it help. But really, you get to go in and talk for like a couple hours and feel like you did. So you're like, yeah, people needed to hear my voice.
00:05:15
Speaker
Okay, well, that's one way of saying it, yes. But like part of what's great about knowing that you don't have to follow up on any of the things that you like...
00:05:26
Speaker
you know, kickstart while you're there is that you could like, you're there for almost for entertainment. So like motivational speaker, i just come to discount Tony Robbins, dude. I just, I just sling insults.
00:05:40
Speaker
yeah i love there like just you like You practicing for your, like your, your, your first step, like when next time business, next time work takes you to Austin, we're going to see you on kill Tony.
00:05:53
Speaker
yeah I just like it's just like mean crowd work like the whole time, you know, and if you laugh while you're doing it, everybody laughs along. Yeah. Once in a while, like I throw a you know, I hit a foul ball and I had one that could have probably been worse last week.
00:06:12
Speaker
So one of my guys was like, hey, can you help me with these demos at these two tire shops? One's downtown, one's on the south end of Wichita and both like pretty rough shops. The one on the south end, real rough neighborhood and just like just a dirty kind of gross shop. Right.
00:06:30
Speaker
Nice guys like they were fun to talk to and stuff, you know, but they're they're characters. So um I walk in and like part of what I'm doing there is like product demonstrations, you know, so I got like a little tackle box with all my stuff in it for it.
00:06:44
Speaker
And yeah your your box of props. Yeah, like a little snake prop comic. Your company supported prop comic. That's so good.
00:06:58
Speaker
It's like the the automotive equivalent of like cutting the woman in half with a big saw and like, oh, like pulling out magic. You're pulling out giant wigs. They have like an oversized suit coat.
00:07:10
Speaker
it yeah ah So I, uh, I'm like setting stuff. Yeah.
00:07:21
Speaker
I'm like unloading my stuff and like, you know, amongst all my things that I've got like a, ah you know, like a butane torch that I use for for some of the demonstrations. And I set it out there and this guy comes over and he's kind of a caveman looking character.
00:07:35
Speaker
Very dirty. Very dirty uniform. And he's got, he's got like regular ish teeth on one side of his mouth. And on the right side, there's like kind of a, just a black hole where teeth used to be.
00:07:50
Speaker
Yeah. That's where he keeps all the dip. Yeah. They turned black and then they, they disintegrated, I guess in his mouth is what it looks like, you know? Nice. And, uh, He comes walking up and I'm like, first thing, basically, oh we we said to each other, but he walks up and he like picks up my torch and he's looking at and stuff. I go, what's that make you lonesome for your meth pipe?
00:08:14
Speaker
He goes, no, me, bro. I'm six months sober in three days. so I'm like, oh, boy. This is the wrong place to drop those jokes. Yeah.
00:08:27
Speaker
You should have known just by the local area that that was a high probability to fail. Yeah, he was a good sport. That's so funny. We left on good terms. It was fun. You know, those kinds of people, though, who have had that struggle in their life, I feel like generally the more you'll find the outliers. But my experience is those who had the most struggle and trauma have the better senses of humor.
00:08:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. Especially if they're, like, clean nowadays, you know? Yeah. Like,
Return to Duggar Scandals
00:09:00
Speaker
if you hit him, like, if you hit him, like, 24 hours after his relapse, probably wouldn't have been as funny.
00:09:07
Speaker
He would have beat me to death with, like, a a tire iron or something like that. Yeah, not... Wouldn't go over quite the same. Well, while, uh, you were working really hard and making jokes to, ah recovering meth-eds, I...
00:09:23
Speaker
Last weekend, went to New York for 36 hours, maybe. I always kind of forget how close. like ah New York City is like less than three hours from me, like really easy to get to. um And, you know, you drive into New York, and I was like, this is – I hate – I get like I've been outside the city for so long. Like when I lived in Boston and like Worcester and like areas like that, you know, Worcester is not a wild city to drive in. There's a couple of areas that are nuts, but.
00:09:58
Speaker
Like Boston's tough. Boston sucks. When you get into, especially around like rush hour, you know, it's, it is truly a nightmare driving in a city like that. But like I was driving to New York on a Saturday morning and I'm like still nervous, not nervous about it, but like you get to the city limits and like the anxiety kicks in you're like, all right, I have to turn into an animal now. And I, like, I don't,
00:10:19
Speaker
It wasn't that bad, though. Like, it was like, you know, when you watch movies of New York traffic and there's New York traffic, everyone wants to kill each other. And I know it gets like that, you know, Monday through Friday, but the weekends weren't that bad. Pretty easy to get and out of the city. Maybe like three hours tops when you think about the turns I missed. And there was like this caravan of it was a bunch of vans that all had some like some like all inclusive vacation destination advertisement on them.
00:10:49
Speaker
And they pulled out in front of me, like when I was like kind of around and they were just driving around and like the same blocks. Like, I don't know if it was like an advertising campaign. I have no fucking clue what it was, but it drove me nuts because they're all driving bumper to bumper. So they go to take a left turn and I can't get in a left turn lane. And there's like 15 of these fucking vans.
00:11:10
Speaker
So you really have to like turn it on and you just like get in the lane to go straight and you just kind of like go left anyway and force your way in. And now you're just like this one vehicle in the middle of this weird caravan. Like it just was goofy. Like everywhere I needed to go, they were fucking going. It drove me nuts. But either way, got there. It was fine. Jill, my like my wife was going to –
00:11:35
Speaker
uh, like her and her friends were going to see a show like a play in New York. Um, and I was going because, um, I haven't met you on the podcast, I don't think, but there are some neurological, low level neurological concerns for my son.
00:11:51
Speaker
Um, He's eight months old now, and he's not, you know, I think I had mentioned, i know I mentioned having to go to the ER with him a few months back. Yeah, I had like a spell or something like that. Yeah, so we've had we have a follow-up next week, but it's really...
00:12:08
Speaker
you know, the specialist, the neurologist that he saw floated a chance of cerebral palsy, but not in a way where she's like, really don't be concerned. And she showed my wife all these pictures of kids who have it that are like playing basketball on their high school team. Like,
00:12:26
Speaker
that's a spectrum of how much it impacts your, your life. And there, you can do things to mitigate the challenges and whatever. So like, I'm not, and it might not even be that, um but low muscle tone, his legs, things like that are what they're thinking. But lately he's been standing when I hold him up, like he's made a lot of progress in the last like, couple months. So all good. We have a follow-up this week, but anyway, it, you know, I, he, he's awful at night.
00:12:53
Speaker
ah He's refused. Like he wouldn't until like this, until like ah the past couple weeks, he refused all solid foods. He wouldn't drink formula. My wife does pump, but she hasn't been able to like, but because we have family watching him. We weren't able to keep up. She can't keep up with that. She couldn't keep up with pumping enough to go away for,
00:13:12
Speaker
to New York without us have and making sure we had enough to get by for as long as we need. so It was like I just tagged along with her and her friends and I just hung around and and watched my son while they did whatever.
00:13:26
Speaker
um So she would like pump there. I'd give him a bottle. She'd go out, do her thing. So it was cool. Like, but I met up with two of our old college pals, our our dorm 11 Liberty University people, a former guest on the show. When we started this thing off, Matt Robbie, he's in New York. So which my wife and I got lunch with Matt.
00:13:48
Speaker
That was fucking great. And then ah isaiah Isaiah Clemens is a was... Yeah, i remember Isaiah. I loved Isaiah. um And so... And we talked ah good. Like, we went out to dinner, just him and I, and stayed for a while. Like, as soon as I saw him, it was like...
00:14:09
Speaker
we just hung out last week. Like, it was like, you know, you just see people. I haven't seen him in like 15 years, you know? And it was like, no time had passed. And as much as I hate social media and everything it's doing to us, I wouldn't have caught up with him if I didn't, wasn't able to message him on social media. And he'd,
00:14:29
Speaker
it He's got, I, we talked about having him on the podcast. He's so much fun just to kind of reminisce and talk LU and what he's been up to. He got into the fashion industry. He had some crazy cool experiences. um Everything about hanging out with him was just incredible. So looking forward to having him on the, on the pod. It's fun to like see someone and just, we were like, when we were talking, it was like, I, it feels we like we only hung out like a few weeks ago.
00:14:57
Speaker
He was one of the kids because I had my creepy dorm mates, right? Those identical twins who dressed the same. And they would go home every weekend. And Isaiah would just stay in my room a lot because he didn't always love hanging out with his dorm mates. So him and I were super close when we were in college. And then all a sudden, ah you know, you know yeah go your separate ways and you lose touch.
00:15:23
Speaker
Yeah, I always liked him. I just never spent a ton of time with him. but that'd be great. i'd I'd love to talk to him again. Yeah, man, it'd be great. It'll be great. He'll be, he's, he's so much fun.
00:15:35
Speaker
He's just a high energy guy. um So that'll, I'm, I'm looking forward to having him on. So I got to text him, um figure that out. Hopefully maybe even next week we'll be able to sort that out.
00:15:47
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. um I um and know we we both we both brought a few things for us tonight. i or a couple of things. have been very interested in following along with yet another Duggar who has been arrested.
00:16:05
Speaker
um Man, I don't know what kind of poison is in that family's bloodline. But with the amount of them who are like, well, I shouldn't say the amount, right? We know there's issues there. This is the second, this is the second Duggar. The first Duggar. Josh Duggar. Josh. Josh is one that, that assaulted his sisters. And then what he had he got caught with a dating profile on like Ashley Madison or something like that.
00:16:33
Speaker
yeah And then he got in trouble for something else involving minors, right? Was it like, yeah, yeah. He went, he. CSAMF material. That's right. ah A lot of counts of it. He's going to be in jail for a minute.
00:16:44
Speaker
And I do like calling it that because it makes me think of you every time. What? Why? See Sam. Oh, you see Sam. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I think about what you. And then I think about child pornography.
00:16:58
Speaker
I'm glad you're strengthening that link in your brain.
00:17:03
Speaker
It's going to make it all the more easy to process when ah inevitably you get hit with like, ah ah you know, amateur pedophile investigation sort of thing yeah ah jesus christ
00:17:19
Speaker
well what is joseph garrett duggar been up to um this one is this one's particularly wild and i'll i'm not gonna i'll bury the lead a bit i'm not gonna get uh we'll we'll go through it as a journey. The same journey I took when I followed this from when the first arrest happened. so I don't know anything about it other than what you texted me. Just the like basically the headline on it. so i'm yeah I'm all ears. so
00:17:50
Speaker
There's not a ton of information out yet, but um I have a few articles here. This one's on NBC News. We'll scan it, skim it together. Joseph Garrett Duggar was obviously 19 kids and counting. 19 kids and counting was going for like its twelve thousandth season before Joseph, I mean, before um Josh Duggar got arrested.
00:18:11
Speaker
um But Joseph was arrested on Wednesday. This is um Wednesday of last week, I think it would have been. maybe potentially close to two weeks ago, but um arrested after he was accused of molesting a nine-year-old girl six years ago during a vacation in Florida.
00:18:33
Speaker
And what's wild about, well, they'll probably, they'll they'll lay it out here. The 31-year-old is accused of lewd and lascivious behavior, molestation of a victim less than 12 years old, and lewd and lascivious behavior conducted by a person 18 years or older.
00:18:48
Speaker
um He was, let's see, ah the statement, the police said in a statement that they received a report of sexual abuse earlier Wednesday and reported to the Bay County Sheriff's Department as the alleged incident had occurred there.
00:19:02
Speaker
In an interview, the now 14-year-old girl told police that Duggar allegedly, this is, I'm going to read whatever they put here, but it's tough to stomach. Um, The 14-year-old girl told police that Duggar allegedly touched her inappropriately on several occasions during a family vacation in Panama City back in 2020.
00:19:21
Speaker
The girl said Duggar repeatedly asked her to sit on his lap, and the sheriff's office said, during the course of the vacation, Duggar also asked the girl to sit next to him on a couch and used a blanket to cover both of them, the victim told police, after which he had legislated allegedly touched her genitals and rubbed his hands on her thighs.
00:19:39
Speaker
The victim said the incident stopped after Duggar eventually apologized, according to the sheriff's office. So he said, I'm sorry, and thought the whole thing might just go away. ah You think he gave her like the traditional like evangelical boy, ah you know girlfriend apology after making out where he's like, you know I just feel
Eccentric Business Encounters
00:20:00
Speaker
like I haven't respected you the way that I'm supposed to, I want to do better. I want to grow in my relationship with God, and and I promise – that you know I will respect you and exalt you in the way that God wants me to.
00:20:14
Speaker
Yeah, to a nine-year-old. To a nine year old child. What's crazy is Josh, like when going back to Josh, though, like i was reading I was just kind of catching up, like reading and like an article about what happened with him, and it was like...
00:20:26
Speaker
all the stuff, you know, the underage shit he did to people. And then it was like, like the allegations of him abusing his sisters, but then it was like, and for, and then the whole like cheating on his wife scandal, Ashley Madison. But like, what's kind of wild is like when, when they refer to this stuff, like we have, we got Joseph here molesting a nine year old. And it's like that, doesn like, that's not that, They don't talk. It's like that it's a crime in of itself, but it's like, it's not cheating.
00:20:57
Speaker
but No one's like, referr it's not like he, in no way is are they referring to this as him cheating on his wife? You know what I mean? Like, it's like something wildly different, but at the same time, it's like, can you imagine?
00:21:09
Speaker
Like, I don't know how, I don't know how you stomach a human, an individual, like to dude, to be married to someone who did that to it. Like, what the fuck? Like, how do you, How do you carry? Like, i don't know. i So anyway, there's a lot of empathy. And you shouldn't.
00:21:24
Speaker
There's a lot of empathy for the wife and the the family made a statement for her um on her, but not on her behalf, but like regarding her um and the empathy towards her and the victims. Their statement was, you know, clouded in evangelical language, but I'm going to give it like a thumbs up. Like, I think the statement they give is fine. I'll get to that momentarily, but yeah,
00:21:46
Speaker
This the sheriff's office said that the girl's father confronted Duggar about the alleged abuse and Duggar admitted to his actions to the victim's father, which is shocking, I guess. He's like, yeah, I did it. And I'm sorry.
00:22:01
Speaker
um The Duggar, whatever. This is a little background. The Duggar family. We can skip that. But yeah, so he admitted it to the dad. So this is back. This is he was arrested on Wednesday. The dad, I guess, learned about it the Tuesday before that, just the day before. And so he reported it immediately. It sounds like it's the dad that reported it. This article ends here, but it seems like the the dad reported it um after. like so his daughter mentioned it to him. He confronted Joseph about it. Dad confronted Joseph about it and Joseph admitted it. um
00:22:33
Speaker
So now he's ah now he's you know just waiting for ah whatever comes next. but So what are what are the chances that Joseph pleads guilty?
00:22:44
Speaker
Honestly, probably pretty good. I think he'll try to find a plea deal, you know? I think that there's... That's good. That would be the part. Okay, so, like, let's say this is, like, you put yourself in that... in that... her dad's shoes, you know?
00:22:59
Speaker
And, like, first off, you didn't shoot him in the face. Right, so... Upon him confessing to It's kind of good on you. Like, I get the impulse, too, but you managed to keep your cool.
00:23:10
Speaker
Can you imagine, like He admits to it. You report it to the police. And then, yeah, he's trying to get a plea deal. So, like, you get to listen through this just, like, drawn-out court case where he, like, makes excuses for himself or, like, talks about, you know, the things that he's doing to improve himself since then or whatever. Like, I just can't even imagine. would unbearable.
00:23:35
Speaker
Not to mention, like... Yeah. Be that little girl. And hopefully she doesn't have to like testify or whatever, you know, in front of him or anything like that. But. Oh, and she would definitely have to. I don't know. any I don't know. i I don't know how that There's like special considerations with minors where they don't yeah do that, you know, like so get on the stand and do it or whatever. But.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. That's so terrible. The family of I was think it's one of. ah And Jill Duggar put out a statement that was, you know, you know we strongly condemn abuse.
00:24:14
Speaker
The Dillard said in the statement, we support the rule of law and hope that justice will be achieved. Our hearts go out to the innocent juvenile victim. of this unspeakable crime and her family. We pray God gives her strength, comfort, and hope, and that she is able to get all the help and support that she needs and deserves in the days ahead.
00:24:32
Speaker
They sent love to their sister-in-law and their nieces and nephews, saying, we pray that they feel loved and supported during this time, as we cannot imagine the indescribable pain that they feel as they process and grieve everything.
00:24:47
Speaker
So obviously, you know, you're there. It's like that. That's awful fucking terrible news to hear about your um about your sister, like your brother. And then you're feeling like, oh, my God, like who couldn't like a man? Like I just said, like.
00:25:05
Speaker
You find out that your significant other did that, like that on vacation with you and your family. Like, what the fuck? It's so gross and so evil. um Unfortunately, the other article I had timed out um because it a fucking New York Times article. But Basically, ah the plot twist is the day after this, Kendra, the wife of of Josh, ah not Josh, of Joseph, was arrested the next day on charges of like child endangerment and unlawful imprisonment of a minor.
00:25:41
Speaker
And there was is this the same. Does it have to do with the same little girl? And that was the assumption is that maybe there's some weird shit going on, but they were super like and like nondescript about anything. Cause they're like, this is an ongoing investigation. oh blah, blah, blah. What is that going to be?
00:26:00
Speaker
So ah just, just, Was it what day is today? Just yesterday. um People, People Magazine ah got a little inside scoop from a close, a source close to the family that shared the reason. And it's kind of kind of wild um because it's un it it it does seem to be unrelated. um But.
00:26:28
Speaker
It does seem that, you know, upon arresting Joseph ah and going to the home of Joseph and Kendra Duggar, they found some concerning things.
00:26:40
Speaker
So two days after the arrest of her husband, ah Joseph, following accusations, he sexually assaulted a nine-year-old girl. Kendra, 27, found herself being booked into custody at Arkansas detention facility.
00:26:54
Speaker
A source close to the family is now telling people why Kendra ended up behind bars on charges that could carry an eight year prison sentence. Whoa. I can tell you that the arrest was a result of a home inspection.
00:27:08
Speaker
So, you know what? It probably I'm, I'm betting DC. ah I'm betting a 51, a was, or of whatever they call it in Arkansas.
00:27:18
Speaker
Excuse me. it's um It's probably a single digit number. Yeah. It's just an eight. It's just just an eight. I'm guessing what, like, at least I know in Massachusetts. we booked her on a circle.
00:27:32
Speaker
if If a cop, if there's a, if there's an invest, if anyone's arrested, right. If the police show up to a residence, uh, they'll normally file. If there's children involved they around, they'll normally file a 51 a, um, which has gives DCF, like they go and do an investigation, blah, blah, blah.
00:27:53
Speaker
So it says, I can tell you that the arrest was a result of a home inspection and the door locks being on the exterior of the doors. Um, A spokesperson for the family would only say that the charges filed against Kendra are totally unrelated to the felony charges of her husband and is expected to, ah that is, he's expected to face in Florida. She is not a suspect or accused of participating in his alleged crime, the spokesperson told People.
00:28:19
Speaker
Joseph and Kendra have yet to comment publicly on any of the charges, but the Duggar family has made no secret about their use of locks on doors of their children's bedrooms. As People reported back in 2015,
00:28:32
Speaker
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar decided the best way to protect their 19 children after learning their oldest son, Josh, had molested four of his sisters was to lock the children in their rooms each night.
00:28:45
Speaker
That's the best way, huh? Yeah, the best way. Well, because they they... Which is crazy, because given the power of God, you'd think that the best way would have been that ah pastoral counseling he received, but I guess... I guess that didn't do the trick.
00:29:02
Speaker
On March 18th, police in Arkansas arrested Joseph on a warrant. Blah, blah, blah. We already talked about that. um Let's see. ah Norris wrote that. He then... Okay, let me go back. Sorry about that.
00:29:16
Speaker
ah All these advertisements on people's website gets this whole thing jumbled up. B.C.S.O. criminal investigator Chase Norris wrote in affidavit attained by people that he was told Joseph had confessed to molesting a minor while speaking with the girl's father on March 17th. Norris wrote that he then requested the detective and the victim's father, who admitted his actions, said that he... Okay, this is back on Joseph. I'm really sorry. That was enough for Norris to secure a warrant for Joseph's arrest by police in Arkansas, where he is currently being held.
00:29:51
Speaker
In the wake of his arrest, both the Arkansas Department of Human Services, yeah, this is what I thought, and Taunet Town Police Department were involved in a search of Joseph and Kendra's home on March 19th, which led to the additional charges against the couples. These charges are unrelated to the felony charges filed against Joseph in Florida.
00:30:10
Speaker
Um... The couple was charged with four counts each of second degree endangering the welfare of a minor and second degree false imprisonment. a spokesperson for the Washington County Sheriff's Office told people if convicted on all accounts, both Joseph and Kendra could be facing a prison sentence of up to eight years and thousands and fines. So for whatever reason, I mean, Joseph grew up locking, getting locked into a bedroom.
00:30:37
Speaker
Um, I guess, um, Which is crazy. I mean, really think about how nuts that is to lock all of your children in their rooms at night. Like, what if there's a fire, right? Instant yeah death for all your children. Like, you don't lock children in rooms to keep them safe. That's how you endanger them. Here's the thing.
00:30:56
Speaker
If thy hand offend you by molesting your sibling, it's better to cut it off, okay? I agree, yeah. So to maintain, like, is it better to die in a fire but pure or to live on to molest your siblings?
00:31:11
Speaker
Here's where, but pure. you So are you talking about ah the purity of of Josh here, right? I'd say, I guess both. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:22
Speaker
Both. Okay, see, now you're dipping your toes in the dangerous territory. Well, you know, I mean, i would assume that the thought has crossed the Duggar parents' minds that in being molested, their son may have spoiled his sibling's spouse's wedding gift or something. yeah You know that that thought has crossed there. Yeah, no, you're right, dude. You are in the mind of the Duggars right now. They're worried about their bride price. That's what they're worried about. Like, how many less goats can you get for your daughter? But on that same logic, right? You want to visit some Old Testament. This is horrible. No, but on that same logic, you have, go go let's go Old Testament. You have 19 kids. 19 is a lot. If one's really that, if one really like, you know, fouls that big, you just take them out back behind the woodshed and put them down. It's not that big. Like you have 18 children left. What are you super worried about? You know? Yeah.
00:32:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, think of the money that you save on like deadbolts. Legal fees. Oh, deadbolts. Yeah, both. Both, I guess. It is kind of like in a sick sort of way. It is kind of funny that like if you have enough kids, you have to start running your house like ah like a like a federal penitentiary. Yeah, exactly.
00:32:45
Speaker
Everybody gets like three hours a yard time and then it's it's locked down, you know, like, should you just be automatically arrested for having 19 kids because you actually can't keep true you can't actually take care of 19 children. You automatically to them.
00:33:00
Speaker
You default into neglect at that point. Like, do you think there's ever riots in the chow hall?
00:33:09
Speaker
ah Dude, I mean, that's why they needed 19 kids and counting. you think like You can't feed 19 children daily, some of which are teenagers. What do you do? like I mean, you need an entire farm.
00:33:22
Speaker
And look, like you know we know that the good book says that you know blessed is the man whose quiver is full, right? But if some of the arrows in your quiver ah damage the other arrows in your quiver, you're kind of like...
00:33:37
Speaker
There's got to be a point of diminishing returns when you have that many... When your quiver's that full, I guess. Yeah, yeah. it's over You overstuffed your quiver, and you damaged some of the arrows. They can no longer execute the mission of a mission properly.
00:33:53
Speaker
and In their opinion, the mission would be... um what would be continuing the cause of Christ, evangelicalism, evangelism, right? ah Sorry, dude. I, no, no one's looking to your family anymore and being like, I want, I want what they have.
00:34:13
Speaker
It's done. You know, you, you thought you put 19 children in the world to carry the torch and you're left with, i don't know, a quiver full of broken arrows, I guess. It's not, you got nothing. um and and look I can't imagine a world where any of the Duggar boys go on to do great things that benefit society. No, but what you, I bet. Arkansas is not going to like flourish as a result of the Duggar boys, like, ah you know, going out and being, a you know, mighty men of God.
00:34:46
Speaker
Well, serving as county sheriff and state governor and whatnot. That's what they tried. Josh was running for office when he got arrested. And you go, look, and he was when you total cho when you think of the microscope that you're put under for running for office, I mean, you are like if you have skeletons, and you like if you're not the Epstein class and you have skeletons in your closet, they're not going away when you run for like, I don't. Why would you? Why would you put that light on yourself like that? You know what I mean?
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's almost like you're a billionaire already psychopathic arrogance yeah is bred into children brought up in that environment, like male children anyways. you know Right. You need to take the world back for God. It's like recruiting. It's like when you join the military and you think that you're just going to be dropped into the middle of the – but yeah you're gonna be just dropped in the middle east and you're just gonna like kick ass and take names and then like you're just you're like you're essentially like the first off the boat at normandy ah you know you're like you're not destined for greatness i think okay so here's the thing i know everybody's levied a lot of criticisms of russia over the years you know and some of them well-founded right but
00:36:02
Speaker
ah What about if we just adopted the same sort of policy as them where it's like, hey, look, ah you no longer have to register as a sex offender when you get out of jail if you survive charging a machine gun nest on like an Iranian, ah you know, in in in battle position or whatever.
00:36:23
Speaker
Is that their official policy? Yeah, like if we have to, if we are going to be forced to fight a a an absurd war of choice in Israeli conquest, like can we can we use these guys?
00:36:35
Speaker
Can we drop them ah in instead of the 82nd Airborne or whatever? Like, You don't even have to train them on how to use the para the paratrooper equipment. Yeah, they're bullet catchers. Right. You know, you you you say, look, you've seen movies. Oh, maybe not you, Mr. Duggar. But the rest of you know, you know, you count to 10 and then you pull the string and the chute comes out. For everybody else, for all the other Duggar boys here for molesting kids.
00:37:00
Speaker
You drop them out of the back. You'll figure it out after. Yeah, they're chaff. Oh, you got you got a heat-seeking missile locked onto you? You just drop a Duggar boy out the back and watch him explode.
00:37:14
Speaker
We just mount a flare to their belt loops and then like put the back of the plane like a tracer around. yeah If you got a missile lock on, you just like you just pop push a button and a Duggar boy plops out the back of the plane to hopefully catch it.
00:37:32
Speaker
They look like Nicolas Cage at the end of The Rock. is kneeling down with two flares in their hands when do we get the inevitable like I feel like ah maybe it's too recent here but when do we get the inevitable like Shia LaBeouf I've come to my senses and this is who I really am rebrand of one of the Duggar boys is that what you think Shia was doing I don't think his fourth round of like look man I've been living in a lie and here's who I really am yeah
00:38:07
Speaker
Did you did you watch all of his Channel 5 interview? No. i It's incredible. I watched a great video. So there's a YouTube channel called Moon that did a a really good video explaining like how Shia LaBeouf basically is a ah sociopath with no sense of self.
00:38:27
Speaker
And he just drifts between grifts and identities. Yeah, it's very possible. Probably why he's a good actor, but... yeah Yes. A good actor. my I remember my dad saying this about a a salesman that he used to employ that I hated.
00:38:46
Speaker
And he said, look, here's the thing. All the things about Doug that make him a good salesperson also make him a bad person.
00:38:58
Speaker
And Shia LaBeouf's kind of like one of those. Maybe the Duggar boys, too. I don't know that we've proved that they're good at anything other than his secrets. they just... come from a like it's a like what it I don't it doesn't even say what ah Joseph did for a living like these these kinds of people just fail up you know yeah like ah they're like the Caucasian equivalent of like the Hasidic community where they just live on mystery government funds and just pop out kids and the rest of us pick up the tab I guess I don't know yeah probably get rid of them dude tired of these guys no more Duggars
00:39:36
Speaker
No more Duggar public spotlight. No more Duggar news pieces. Hopefully no more Duggar arrests, but not hold my breath on that. The Duggars can go away now. Go away. You made your money.
00:39:48
Speaker
Go buy ah a bunker in the side of like a hill in Utah or whatever and just be quiet forever. Please. I mean, there they're eagerly awaiting the... the very near apocalypse, right? I mean, we are, that's why we're fighting this war that ran, according to some top ranking military officials that we are yeah bringing about the second coming of Jesus Christ here. ah Wild to hear that coming from military officials, but the secretary of war,
00:40:20
Speaker
Oh my God. He's slobbering drunk who is also a theologian apparently. Keg's breath is great. It's such a good name. breath cracks me up and then ah every time like due dissidence refers to Laura Loomer as Jigsaw. it yeah The secretary of war crimes.
00:40:40
Speaker
Dude, I... i Okay. I don't want to get off on a tangent here with oh cool stuff. You have a hard time with that. might So I had a conversation with a family member this weekend. Okay. No, that's worth talking about.
00:40:54
Speaker
That blue that I had to walk away from. I just said, yeah, I don't know. i ah Well, I better go. Like, yeah. so So, okay, in in one short, like, three-minute conversation, they said, i just, you know, the i get really panicky sometimes, you know, when I go outside and I just look at, like, you know, the chemtrails are that, you know, they've sprayed and they're spreading out. I just think, oh, my word, I don't know what I'm going to do. Yeah.
00:41:26
Speaker
So then we're talking about the the fact that we're, you know, on the verge of like a ground invasion of at least portions of Iran and you know, possibly World War III. We'll see.
00:41:38
Speaker
We'll see what else, you know. And I said, yeah, I'm taking a little break from looking at that stuff. Like, i it makes me feel panicky and I just ah just can't ah can't deal with it. I got to take a little break from absorbing it Yeah.
00:41:53
Speaker
yeah And the family member says... Oh, see, I can remove myself from it. You know, I just i just think, well well, you know, I know who's in control, and I know who wins in the end, so I'm just not going to sweat it.
00:42:10
Speaker
And I thought, so chemtrails, raise your blood pressure, but the very real possibility of war, I got to go.
00:42:22
Speaker
just couldn't. couldn't Couldn't engage with it. as It's too much. it dude It's too Everything. Oh, my God. No, we're not doing it.
00:42:33
Speaker
Not doing it. Nope. Okay. So are we ready to jump into, okay, my my story, which I'm a little torn about, um ah which is a total, just a smokescreen, okay, to make it seem like I have some sort of a conscience. Yeah. but I'm going to do it.
00:42:50
Speaker
So ah I so I just I recently connected with someone that reminded me of a person that I met a few years ago, local person okay that really just like blew my mind.
00:43:06
Speaker
And I think I may have even talked about this person when I met them, like in the early days of the podcast. But. is a long time ago. I don't think I probably said their name or anything like that. So nobody would probably remember anything about it. But um years ago, when you know, in the early days of like being in the role that I'm in now, um had I had a salesman that said, hey, um do you think you could come with me to talk to this guy?
00:43:35
Speaker
He's like a little upset over some things. He has a bunch of product and stuff that he wants us to like, you know, do something with, you know, basically like this guy bought a bunch of stuff from us at one point and he wants to like he wants us to buy it back from him or something.
00:43:51
Speaker
Oh, he said this guy, he's got a bunch of different things on hand, like, and ah you know, kind of an unreasonable, weird amount of stuff. I don't know where he got it. And he he has like and a bunch of different businesses, but he also his big thing is he runs a charity.
00:44:08
Speaker
And I'm like, OK, I mean, I'll go with you, you know. So we go down to this place and he has a warehouse in downtown Wichita. And I meet this guy and he is clearly like an eccentric.
00:44:22
Speaker
And for like an hour and a half, this guy walks me around his warehouse and just, ah you know, um regales me of the stories of his greatness.
00:44:33
Speaker
And it was a very weird experience. Like what's the point? What's the purpose of his warehouse? So he had a bunch of different businesses that he was like tied into somehow. The whole thing felt sketchy right from the get go. Right. Because he had like trucks in there for this and trucks in there for that. And everybody who worked there looked a little off. You know, it was.
00:44:57
Speaker
A lot of people that look like they had maybe ah a history of substance abuse and stuff, which, okay, on the one hand, that could be a great thing, right? This guy has given these people a new lease on life, and that you know it's kind of ah a nice thing that he's doing. And you know what?
00:45:13
Speaker
There could be an extent to which that is true. The other option is that this guy knows exactly the kind of people that he can manipulate and use for things and tell what to do. And he's not going to get pushed back or questioned by them, you know, because they have nowhere else to go. He goes, yeah I can pay.
00:45:32
Speaker
He can pay you like three seventy two an hour because if you have a problem with that, he'll just go to the authorities about your drug use.
00:45:43
Speaker
Right. I mean, there's a fine line between helping these people and extorting these people, as we know with everybody in those types of situations, you know, from like, you know, people with criminal records to, you know, ah people with substance abuse issues to, you know, undocumented immigrants. Right. in his defense, if you hire that population, you you know, there there are certain tropes. Right. There are certain things.
00:46:12
Speaker
caricater character character flaws of that, that come part and parcel with addiction. And, you know, he's just trying to head those off before he's taken advantage of it's actually self-protection and that's how he sleeps at night. It's a possibility. So that's the thing with this guy, right? Is it seems to like the, the, the metronome that is this guy goes both directions. It swings back and forth. Yeah.
00:46:41
Speaker
But he was very nice to me when I was there, you know, and he had a lot of product that I didn't know. was looking at him like this stuff's old. Why do you have barrels of this stuff? Like, I don't understand where the shelf life is. There's no shelf life for this stuff. extent, you know, like it's long, but like I'm looking at this stuff and there's nothing I can do with a lot of it, right? I can't like resell this to other people or whatever. So it would just be like, it would just be a goodwill sort of thing of like me eating this stuff. And, you know, so what I told you- Are these all forms of potential lubricant?
00:47:16
Speaker
Well, yes. Oh, hmm. So one of his ideas didn't quite get off the ground. Right. So I have a ask. Did he have a whole portion of this warehouse that maybe seemed like it was at one point set up as a um like as a like a film set?
00:47:37
Speaker
Oh, boy. Well, I didn't see every room. I can't rule it out completely. Yeah. All right. So i don't I didn't really make any commitments. I said, hey, look, here's what we can do with some of this stuff is I can come in and help train your guys on how to use like the equipment that you have. I can show you like some ways in which you can put this stuff to use and benefit your your business. you know And like maybe some of the stuff, if it's still if it's still stuff that I can resell, you know I'll... i'll Let's count it up. We'll inventory it and I'll i'll i'll buy it back from you or I'll trade you towards product that you can use or whatever, you know.
00:48:15
Speaker
But it was like a thing where we we met and it just didn't really materialize into anything from there, right? It was kind of like this guy got on a tear about this subject for a day and called me down there and then didn't really like talk about it after that.
00:48:29
Speaker
So you made it too complicated. He wanted you to like show up with a truck and take it off his hands that day. Yeah. Give me money now. Yeah. Money. Put it right here. Put it in in this. yeah Which is questionable behavior.
00:48:42
Speaker
Sure. So it was weird. And i I didn't really get good feelings about the guy. He also like took me in his office and showed me he had a big safe full of guns in his business office for some reason. dude This guy. It's very strange, dude. It was just very strange.
00:49:00
Speaker
So it didn't really turn into anything. And then it was maybe like three, four weeks later, he wanted me to come down for some other reason. And my salesman was like, hey, can you go see this guy down the street or whatever? His name's Dave, right? And you go see David. He wants to talk to you about something. And this time when I went back, the guy was like in a much different mood. He was very hostile.
00:49:25
Speaker
And it didn't seem like it was related to anything that we talked about. it was just like he was trying out a different personality type that day. and seeing and how I would react to it.
00:49:36
Speaker
And so I talked to him and calmed him down and stuff like that. And then we didn't really settle on anything. And I left and I called my sales guy at the time. He's no longer with me. But I said, hey, I'm not coming back here again. Okay. So whatever he wants, if it's not reasonable, tell him, hey, can't do it.
00:49:54
Speaker
I said, if you just want to like not answer this guy's calls anymore, that's fine by me too. Like this guy is weird. Like there's something off here. yeah I remember at the time looking him up on Facebook because I'm like, what is this charity? Like, is this an actual thing or is this like a money you know laundering front or whatever?
00:50:16
Speaker
And it to the guy's credit. The charity seems like it does some good work. Like, so it's it's called the OneSpark Foundation. And please, if you listen to this, don't contact this guy. You know, if you want to go look at it, whatever. But, like, don't... Nothing good comes from, like, trying to talk to this guy or whatever, okay?
00:50:37
Speaker
But... So one spark foundation is kind of like, ah you know, every good deed is like a spark that can ignite a fire and change the world, that sort of thing. Right. Okay. And it's all self aggrandizement. Gotcha. Yes. It's all sort of built around this guy, but they do like feed the homeless and do like some clothing drives and things like that. Like they do some nice things for like underprivileged people in town, which, hey, that's great.
00:51:05
Speaker
But I remember looking at his Facebook at the time and it was very erratic and weird. And it was a lot of like self aggrandizing things. So when I talked to this guy the other day and he was like, yeah, i used to work for one spark and he was not very happy about anything that happened there.
00:51:24
Speaker
He claimed, you know, and it's, he's a jilted ex-employee. It's hard to say exactly who's in the right on whatever, but he claimed that like insurance policies and stuff like that were taken out like without his consent and his name and this and that and the other. He claimed that donations were sold and money was pocketed and things like that. I don't know if that's true.
00:51:46
Speaker
But look, ah i it wouldn't be surprising to me if there was right truth to it. But I wanted to ah i wanted to give you guys kind of a...
00:51:58
Speaker
I got to read you some of these Facebook posts because they're crazy. And once I started like down the road here, like I sat and read April, these Facebook posts for an hour and a half on Friday night.
00:52:12
Speaker
It just like, just was laughing from ah super hard. from One spark. Yes. and And from this guy, David. Okay. So he shares his adventures is what he says. And shares stories of like these sparks that that happened to him or that he does or that people send in to him. He claims that people send him stories about good deeds, which he calls sparks all the time. And these are, they're all clearly written by Dave. Yeah.
00:52:47
Speaker
yeah So, OK, let's just jump in here. i'll I'll start and I'll try to cut out the things that are like, you know, too wordy or whatever.
00:52:58
Speaker
But this one, this is one that caught my eye. And keep in mind, there's one of these every day, like almost without fail. He writes one of these posts every day. So here we go. I went out this morning and took some burritos out to my friends, which is homeless people he's talking about, right?
00:53:15
Speaker
I stopped and got some coffee and a man working at this convenience store asked me who I was going out to feed. And I said, whoever I can find. And he said, you're not going to feed those people, are you?
00:53:26
Speaker
I said, I'm sure that's an actual quote. Everyone this guy talks to shames him for like his good deeds. This feels like ah like a poorly written episode of Touched by an Angel already.
00:53:40
Speaker
Yes, dude. Oh, he could be a screenwriter for a Touched by an Angel reboot. You're not going to feed those people, are you? I said, I'm not very, so I'm sorry, I'm not very smart. Who would those people be? He said, well, I really don't think you should feed any of the illegals or Hispanic people.
00:53:59
Speaker
I sat there and I said, I've been called to feed all people. I don't ask him him what their as nationality is. if they're leader You know this guy voted for Trump, though. Like, there's no chance he didn't.
00:54:10
Speaker
A hundred percent. ah I see a need and I feel it. I'm not going to get into a political stance with anybody, but my foundation that God called me to start will feed whoever's hungry, whoever's in need as often as we can, everywhere we can. And if you don't like that, you don't have to donate.
00:54:29
Speaker
Oh, donate. We only take in $200 a month, so I don't have to listen to anybody's BS. The rest of it comes out of my pocket. $200 a month?
00:54:40
Speaker
you're operating it You're operating a charity on $200 a month. Every story is so absurd that like it's hard not to just put like whatever great work. Hey, I'm happy that they're feeding homeless people and doing all this stuff, but this guy is insane.
00:54:58
Speaker
And he's not. None of this happened, and he didn't do that. So the rest of it comes out of my pocket. And when you want to tell me what to do with my money, let me come to your house and tell you what to do with your money.
00:55:10
Speaker
People today are just looking for a fight for whatever reason, and I refuse to get into that fight. Yet here we are writing a Facebook post about it. Right. About an argument that you have with this guy. Also, you directly encountered this man, and he did try to get in a fight with you.
00:55:25
Speaker
I looked at the guy like he was from Mars and I laughed and I went up to pay for the coffee and the guy continued to follow me and he kind of chirped and chirped and chirped at me. And I finally, i turned around and I said, is this a recent condition or were you born this way?
00:55:41
Speaker
He said, born this way. What do you mean? I said, butthole itis. He's also very funny. My God, dude, this is that you would hear that.
00:55:52
Speaker
That would be something an evangelical pastor would say, and he would wait for the laughter of his church. Yeah. And the evangelical pastor would be like, I coined this term. this is This is my thing. I made this up. It makes me think of Rich Brown.
00:56:08
Speaker
Rich Brown, I'll call you out by name, professor of youth studies at Liberty University. That title does not age well, no given the entanglements of evangelicalism. How many youth studies study? Yeah. Is he a dugger?
00:56:22
Speaker
Yeah. And I'll never forget the day that he boldly stated a comp this.
00:56:35
Speaker
This could be Rich Brown. If his name wasn't David, it could be Rich Brown because he goes, he was talking about a conversation he was having with some evangelical pastor who used all the flowerly evangelical evangelical language.
00:56:47
Speaker
Maybe he was talking about a guy who was trying to reach the youth, right? Because that's what this was, youth studies, using his flowerly evangelical language to try to convince the youth to commit their lives to Christ. And he's like, and I pulled him aside and we had a conversation and I said to him, he's like, and look, I'll, I coined this term. Like, I don't, it's like, I don't want, it was one of those, like, I don't want to get my head up my ass kind of things. Like tried to be humble about it. Feigned humbleness. Right. Super common in those circles.
00:57:15
Speaker
And he's like, and I said to him, why are you talking them in Christian ease? Oh God. And he emphatically doubled down on how he came up with that term.
00:57:27
Speaker
Like, bitch, no, you didn't. What? You're talking to a, like, we've all heard that term in youth group. You did not make that up. It did not widely circulate the entire continent of the United States.
00:57:37
Speaker
Like, it's like.
00:57:41
Speaker
It's like when I was a little kid in like, kindergarten. I thought I'd coined the term fire ants. I was pretty sure that I invented. did you really? my yeah That's so sick. I don't know why i remember that, but I do.
00:57:58
Speaker
Okay. So he puffed up like a puffin fish. God. And got all ticked off and started ran and rave even more. Lots of spelling errors here. I'm doing my best. I loaded my coffee in and I walked out to my truck and I was loading the coffee in the truck and he continued to harp at me and get all pissy and a police officer pulled up and said, Davis, this guy harassing you?
00:58:23
Speaker
And I said, yeah, he's mad that I'm feeding those people. He said, who are those people? I said, you'll have to ask him. He's the one... He's the one with all the knowledge in the brain that can disseminate who deserves what I what i thought Jesus Christ was the only one that could do that.
00:58:42
Speaker
why God, that was rough. Is he a Tim Robinson character?
00:58:49
Speaker
I thought he was the only one to disseminate what Jesus Christ could do that. Oh, man. Yeah, he is ah like a Tim and Eric sketch. This guy got so mad that he walked up to me and freaking threw water on me. I looked at him and I said, you're not going to to worry about what you get to eat or where you have to sleep or what your bills are or what your bills aren't. You're going to get a one-way trip because you just assaulted me and the police officer came over and arrested him.
00:59:17
Speaker
That made my day. See, I thought for sure the plot test would be the the plot twist would be the police officer shot and killed some of the homeless people on the side of the road.
00:59:27
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but We don't know that that didn't happen afterward.
00:59:34
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It's got the ring of that like, and then everyone stood up and clapped sort of like Reddit posts. You know, like that definitely happened sort of story. Dude, what do you think is going on in the mind? Like,
00:59:48
Speaker
What do you think is happening here? It seems so wild to intentionally create this entire story unless he boils it all down to marketing, right? Because if he's only taking in $200 a day, i mean a month, $200 a day would be bad for a charity, honestly. like It would be real bad. And like like i said, they are feeding like homeless people. like they He had...
01:00:13
Speaker
Photos on the like the charity page you know showing like a big like barbecue that they did for a bunch of homeless people downtown. like they They are doing some real stuff. But like the self-aggrandizement and the exaggeration, like the egomaniacal way that he writes these things, like every day like every one of these glorifies him.
01:00:34
Speaker
In one way or another. And when you talked to him, he was no longer connected with this organization, right? No, he's still connected with it. Oh, he is. Wait, I thought you said he was talking about some of the weird things they did that he had a problem with? Oh, no, no. This was a guy that worked for him.
01:00:50
Speaker
Oh, okay, okay. kind a strung out sort of dude that was a technician that worked for him. Nice guy. Nice enough guy. I don't know. I don't know him real well, but... I think there's probably a long string of people that worked there for a bit and then got a bad taste in their mouth.
01:01:05
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Yeah. and ah And Dave expounded all the reasons why they didn't deserve his good graces and all that, you know. They didn't pose right for the photo op. So, oh boy, there's, there's just, there's so many of these things and there was one. Okay. So here's what, ah so that one like was a confrontational story, which there are a lot of those, but there's also a lot of like, you know, uh, touching heartfelt ones as well.
01:01:37
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So that one, the story that I just read was written March 1st. This is written March 2nd. Real. OK. Like I said, he does this like every day. Yeah. lot of back to back experiences. I can tell you, look, I don't want to do so any self aggrandizing here, but I was fairly active as an evangelical with ministry outreach.
01:02:03
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And outside of one situation that I've that probably haven't discussed here in a very, very, very long time where we met a homeless lady who ended up moving in with us sometime later. um in a very bizarre turn of events, a long story, interesting story, a life impacting story in a positive way for me. That was it.
01:02:30
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One situation in my entire life of going out of my way to do things like this. That, Like these things aren't happening. They're really not. And I don't want to like, just like paint my experience over like everybody else's and assume that everything I did or experienced is what everyone else does. But you're, you are not in this sort of like daily struggle against humanity to do things like this. Most people just let you do your shit and they just go home. They don't give a shit. They don't care.
01:03:02
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This is, that's the thing though, is like you're measuring his big deeds by your shortcomings. Okay. And that says more about you than it does about Dave.
01:03:14
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You know what you need to do? Sparks. You need to do sparks. Yeah. I need to get back out there. You need to take the world's changed. Things are different. They could be.
01:03:24
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They could be if people like you were willing to get involved. That's what I think. oh So here's the thing. Here's a story that nobody's going to write about the likes of you.
01:03:35
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Okay. I had a conversation this morning while visiting someone in the hospital. They told me that I had blessed their child so much in so many ways that they could never repay you.
01:03:45
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I said, that is odd because I feel like I owe you more than I could ever repay. She looked at me and said, are you nuts? And to that I replied, yes. And she laughed.
01:03:56
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funny. So funny. I told her to let me explain. She told me to go ahead and I told her I need to find a text. This is what the text said. Dear Dave, I do not know what I did to deserve your love and kindness. You over the last 13 years have been an amazing friend, but to me, you are like the dad I always wanted. You have taught me that it is vital. Oh God. He doesn't have a good relationship with his children. Yeah.
01:04:23
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I don't know. I wonder if he has children like he's got. They don't talk to him. I know he does. And I do not talk to him. Yes, I eight ex-wives. Yeah. And all of them were homeless people that he slept with while he was working.
01:04:41
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He's like one of those cops that gets busted, like like ah busting prostitutes and and then like forcing them to have sex with him. That's why his charity only takes in $200 a month. The rest goes out to an alimony. He's like one of those cops, you know, cops.
01:04:58
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You have taught me that it is vital to give in life. How did you teach me by taking me to do sparks? Thank you for always being real with me. You never act like you have it together. And you always have told me that you are the frog with the most warts.
01:05:13
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Very funny. you wonder why I like their banter. They have such a cute like back and forth. That's that's adorable. He has such a cute back and forth with himself. um You wonder why I have fought like heck to beat cancer.
01:05:30
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It is so I could spend more time with you. so that's her one reason for trying to live, which I think she passes away in this story. Well, that would be convenient for him in the story he's telling. Like, this happened in one day. Like, i know he i know what he's supposedly doing is rehashing a relationship in one post, but I'm not buying it.
01:05:50
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I think if I gathered this correctly, and look, this could be a real person. I don't know, you know. but Did he give their name? I believe this is a girl he claims died of cancer at like 21 years old. And he had been like mentoring her since she was like 13 or something like that.
01:06:09
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But he didn't give the name, right? No. Yeah. then we'd be able look up the lack of obituary. When I am with you, I do not have to worry about not being good enough for you or for anybody else. You have shown me all your warts.
01:06:24
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Okay. and you jet Your genital warts. And I know that I can make it in this world as a Christian. I know how you love me. Jesus loves me the same way.
01:06:36
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You do not want to hear this, but I am tired, and I know soon i will be with Jesus, and I will have no more suffering. Dude, even the phrasing, Jesus loves me the same way. Like if, if he was like a real one, he would be like, you love me the same way Jesus does.
01:06:53
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But Jesus is living up to his ah is example. And that's nuts. This guy. i know how you love me. Jesus loves yeah me the same way. Yeah. And he learned it from you, Dave. Yeah.
01:07:06
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If I could have had the ability to choose my dad, all caps, I would have chosen you. Thank you for not being an a-hole Christian who judged others and acted like their cap don't stink, but their farts always give them away. I know I stole your saying.
01:07:22
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Now he's taking credit for a joke he's written in for somebody else. That's wild. I... Even, oh my God, the whole like, ah thank you for being like, this is what, this is all Christian wet dream shit. That's all that this is. It's like, yeah I've met 10,000 Christians that didn't treat me right, but I met you and you made me feel good. So therefore I know it's real. It's like, no, dude if if that's your experience, statistically, it's still not true.
01:07:52
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Like, and I know having a human experience with somebody can change how you feel about a certain thing. um But it's not usually like that. Not usually if you've had a multitude of bad experiences with a group of people or a type of person, and then one person shows you kindness and you're like, I was wrong about all of it. That is super unlikely to happen. Like,
01:08:16
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A scenario like in which something can happen where a person can change your mind is like, if you ask a lot of Republicans or conservative Christians about...
01:08:27
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if it's okay to be gay, they're like, no, it's not. And then they meet a gay, but they've never been harmed by a gay person. No gay person has ever spoken to them in a way that made them feel uncomfortable. They, then they meet a gay person or their son's gay. And they're like, Oh, I'm actually, i realized that I was wrong whole way. But if they got treated poorly by 10,000 gay people, and then they met one gay person who was like nice to them, they'd be like, yeah, but I met a lot. Like you're just the outlier. That doesn't make it true or real or right that's just not what's happening every like your opinion on absolutely every people group every you know sub genre of human is like how they've made you feel as individuals it's kind of like uh you know i always like bill clinton like what did you like about him his his actions and you know his content towards me i feel like he got me
01:09:23
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Yeah, he was nice. He was nice to me. This guy, like the way that this is written, the spelling errors, the self-centered nature of it, and like the self-righteous aspect of it. He is like the clavicular of boomer maxing. Yeah.
01:09:41
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you know yeah
01:09:45
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um You need to always remember, i would have died 11 years ago if you would not have jumped into my life with both feet spinning. I love you, Dad, and I'm so glad you came into my life. To all you Christians out there, stop acting like you have it all together and stop judging people when they fail.
01:10:04
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Church is a hospital, not a country club. It is for the sick people, and we are all sick in some way. Bye until I see you in heaven. Love your daughter. No name.
01:10:14
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I mean, i get that you might not publish the name for particular reasons, but I won't, but based on everything so far, I won't believe you unless I can verify.
01:10:26
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I told this person that I get so much more than I give and I can never repay all the blessings I have received that I do not deserve. Yes, baby girl, I am the frog with the most warts. Many days I feel like I am moving three feet forward and then 50 feet backwards. I am sad you are gone, but I am glad you are with Jesus and in no more pain. Love, David.
01:10:47
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Oh, he wrote that response post-mortem? Yes. Nice. And then it's bunch of old ladies sharing ah like ah heart emojis. Yes.
01:10:59
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yeah yeah This is sweet. Heart emoji. Yeah, so there's just... It is funny, too, to see... ah Yeah, it is it is funny also to read, like like, the boomer idea of what, like, charity and and stuff is. Dude, yes! Yes! Because there's also a story in here, and I won't read it, but he posted this. He's like, this was sent into OneSpark. This kid is amazing. And it was the story of ah like ah a six-year-old or a seven-year-old kid who hast he was he got diagnosed with cancer at eight months old, which for even that right there, you're like, do kids get cancer at eight months? like that's I feel like I haven't heard that before.
01:11:48
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Yeah, i don't i don't I don't know, but I don't believe that he has all this contact with this much suffering. I don't. So it was written by his mother, like again, post-mortem, about her son and how inspired he was by Dave. And Dave was his superhero. And intervened, which was like, you're like my son now. Everyone's like what they need him to be.
01:12:09
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Everybody cries in these stories. Everybody, they like every single story has a moment where he's like, and then we sat there and the tears flowed. Not me, though. I just had a bug in my eye. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
01:12:23
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And Dave, he rolled on his back and he let me change one last diaper, which is what I needed for closure.
01:12:32
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And I'm glad I could do it for the lady. It was he that pleasure. He said, goo goo gaga, change my diaper, mommy. And I cried profusely.
01:12:44
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Dude, so in this story, it's so ridiculous. It's really long. And in this story, this this kid is six years old, and he is so inspired by Dave. And other kids like superheroes, but Dave is his superhero. He just wants to be like Dave and do sparks, you know?
01:13:02
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And, I mean, these are like direct quotes, too. and mean I'm not exaggerating, right? So... This kid, ah you know, he's sick all the time. He's barely, you know, he barely has a life outside of just being in the hospital because he's so sick. And he decides that he says, Mom, God told me that I need to put 75 PlayStations in the children's hospital so the kids can play.
01:13:26
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That's feasible at $200 month. So the next rung of the story was in this, in our little town, there was an a very rich man.
01:13:38
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He was old and he was known for being nasty. Everybody was afraid of him. But my son, Blaine or whatever, he said, Mom, I want you to take me to his house. And he walked right up to the door and he knocked on the door and he said, I know that you feel like you got to be nasty because your wife died. But Jesus says that this is the story of up.
01:13:59
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This is up. It's kind of like it. Yeah, it's kind of like Up. And basically, like this old man is so touched and moved by this young boy's generosity and ah you know also his you know tenacity that he not only agrees to give...
01:14:18
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75 playstations to the children's hospital but he bought 75 more so that each of the kids can take one home and and there was something else he he agreed to pay for all of their treatments and and then the young children's inheritance the young boy's like all i want to do before i die is meet dave And so he tells Dave, you're not trying to hear. The guy who the PlayStations? Exactly. No, they want to meet, come on. I want to meet the middleman. I want to meet my insurance company.
01:14:52
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Send the jester out before That's your doctor saves your life and you want to meet the fucking CEO of your insurance
Stories of Kindness and Reflection
01:14:59
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company. That's funny.
01:15:02
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Well, I got bad news, kid. Someone shot him in the face on the streets of New York. But he died doing what he loves. God rest his soul.
01:15:15
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Crisscross. However the Catholics do it. but yes go Dave flies out to, you know, in a private jet that this guy provides so that he could meet this boy who's just like Dave's his hero. And they all like had so much fun and they said, we're going to go out and do sparks. And they went out and did sparks all day. long live dave they all broke into he's a jolly good fellow for easy jolly good fellow and then everybody sat and cried and it was so beautiful and then the young boy he knew that his time was short so he said dave i just want to let you know that you've been a big inspiration dude it's just the most it's so it's awful it's so much it's so much
01:16:00
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And the last thing I was going to show you real quick is I i did find ah ah a news channel interview, like a morning show interview that he did on local news.
01:16:12
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Amazing. And he's on it's like world, like the the good deeds day of, you know, of the year or something like that. It's like some like fake holiday deal.
01:16:25
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kindness day is tomorrow. And I mean, you guys are kind 365 days a year. but let's talk about one Spark Foundation about your organization and what it means. This is, I think, the simplest way we're teaching people how to be kind. We forgot it. And so the little card you have in your hand, we know when you give one of those cards out, over 90% of the people will pack on that spark. And so on the back, it just says, the act of kindness given to you today in hopes that you would pass on one spark per week for 52 weeks. I was at Chick-fil-A last week. Of course he was.
01:17:00
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He come flying up behind me, flashing his lights, was furious. yeah He got up there and he said, how'd you know my wife died? said, I didn't know. Listen, we we've been struggling with something. And for us, it's just been a blessing that we're coming up on 34 years we've been doing this. And so I think if we can inspire anybody, it doesn't take money.
01:17:22
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Kindness has nothing to do with money. It's all about your heart. And if you open a door or say a kind word or even, we've lost this thing. It's called a pen and paper. Writing letters to people that we love. It's gone.
01:17:36
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Absolutely imperative because we never know when our last day on the day. So he bought a... I mean, you guys are kind 365 days a year. Shut up. He, he brought a guy's dinner at Chick-fil-A that was in front of, behind him in line or whatever.
01:17:52
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And the guy do cheeseburgers chased him down and he was so angry. And he said, how did you know my wife died? Cause the only time people buy me meals is when my wife bought me chicken fingers.
01:18:05
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this is his four No, the problem is he's had four wives die, and the last three, someone bought his meal at a drive-thru window after they died. That's how he knows. It's divine intervention, dude. It's the only way that we can explain it. that's how God's been trying to get a hold of him for four wives now, and it finally worked. So one last clip from the same interview.
01:18:27
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For me, it's come full circle. I was at Dylan's the other day, and I had bags, and was trying to open my Jeep, and I couldn't, and a little girl ran up. Grabbed my bags, put them in the Jeep, and she said, I got to tell you about this foundation. I didn't have the heart to tell her. And she went on for about 30 minutes. And I had spoke to her high school. Oh. And I told her, I said, that's amazing. I'll check it out. And about two weeks later, she sent me a message. She said, it's you. Why didn't you tell me? I didn't want to rob her of her joy of telling me the story. And, you know, it's amazing because when one person does something, the ripple effect will go on forever, long after I'm gone. yeah It'll continue the ripple effect. Well, we appreciate Long after I'm gone. What we do in life echoes in eternity.
01:19:06
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That's a direct Dave quote. He's saying that this girl told him about his charity? Yes. She came running up to him to lift his grocery bags into his Jeep. And she's like, I have to tell you about OneSpark. And she went on for 30 minutes in the parking The crazy thing is, he's like, I didn't have the heart to steal that joy from her.
01:19:26
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When it's like, if you were like, yeah, I'm part of OneSpark. She would be like, oh my God, that's amazing. Like no one would, that's not robbing someone's joy to find Something in common you both care about.
01:19:38
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I once inspired this young girl to do me a good deed in honor of the organization that I started. And then she went on to tell me about how great my organization was and how amazing I am as a person. And I just I didn't have the heart to tell her. I'm yeah i'm the I'm I'm the amazing one.
01:20:00
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And this is actually like a story about me. I'm so I really am incredible. And if we all work together, the echoes and ripples of me can can just reverberate through history.
01:20:15
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He didn't have the heart to stop a 30 minute ego fellatio. Like that's the only way he gets off. I think so. Yeah.
01:20:26
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Yeah. It's, it's, it's one or the other, right? It's ego fellatio or it's, uh, it's coerced The ying and the yang of, of the amazing Dave.
01:20:41
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Every charity has its ups and downs. You know, you can't expect him to be perfect. But would you stop him from doing the Lord's work because of a few a few infractions? You know, it's kind of like the megachurch pastor thing. It's like, ah you know, the guy from Hillsong and stuff like that. It's like, look at all the great things that I'm doing.
01:21:04
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I think... i think god you know turn a blind eye to me like just taking ownership of one of these teenage girls yeah i mean when you look at the when you put that all on the weight of the scale of at the end of time right you oh good deeds bad deeds who is the guy bla who is the uh the televangelist guy that had all the massage the masseuse girls that he abused Oh, more.
01:21:31
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That wasn't Morris, was it? No, it was like he had like kind of a maybe he was he might have been like Indian or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um He was the apologetics guy. Yes.
01:21:44
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Yeah. i I'm blanking on his name, too. give His name. But that's ah that's like exactly how he described his his whole thing to the girls that he literally like abused was like.
01:21:56
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God has called me to do
Charity and Moral Scandals
01:21:58
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great things. And He's called you to blow me. yeah I need to get the demons out. And if you don't, Zacharias, Robbie, Zacharias, that's the one. Yeah.
01:22:11
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Yeah. That's part and parcel of what he was up to. The worst part about all that, not the worst, the most disappointing part about all of that was that none of that, all that came out like post-mortem, right? Like we found out that he was a scumbag piece of shit after he died, which,
01:22:27
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is kind of crazy that like most of these people you usually find out before ah you usually like you can't commit those kinds of atrocities for 30 years and not like he, he kept that shit under wraps. He it's wild that it came out after he died.
01:22:44
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Um, I would like to know that that that that would be the case for most people, but unfortunately, it's not. His estate apologized, but simultaneously said they would not be paying reparations to anyone who was harmed by him.
01:23:01
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Well. So, i mean yeah. Look, you can hey. I mean, what aren't words enough? I mean, words are usually fine. Yeah, I think so. I mean, you know, that money would be spent and gone by now anyways, really, when you think about it.
01:23:15
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Right. It wouldn't have done anything for them. Like if they got a handout like that, they probably would have blown it and then be actually more miserable than they are now. So when you think about it in the long run, he did everybody a favor that he harmed. Yeah. It's kind of like the stories of the ruined like lottery winners, you know, in the end, right. Coming into a bunch of money they didn't earn.
01:23:35
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it they weren't any better off or happier as a result of it. you know And that's how the victims of Ravi Zacharias should think about the fact that they didn't get anything out of being abused. And it's just material possessions. When you think about like what that's worth in the afterlife, you know build up treasures in heaven. you know Yeah, like Ravi. Apologize, forgive, you know just say everything's okay.
01:24:01
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Distort. ah you know Construe. You get it. You get it. Well, this one, did this, uh, this inadvertently touched on a lot of pretty grim topics.
01:24:17
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Yeah, and we ah managed to avoid politics. So I'd say we did great. Yeah, yeah. So, um hey, look, Dave, if you somehow hear this, keep feeding the homeless people. That's the best revenge is just to keep doing sparks, right?
01:24:34
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that spark just Just keep on feeding people. And that's the best revenge on ah you know people making fun of you. on on a pod prove us wrong prove us wrong with a few more burritos you're right
01:24:50
Speaker
all right folks well um they did raise the conscription age to 42 so um some of you i hope you have a a wonderful week to the rest of you i guess we'll see you on karg island when we all get there Yeah. Casey and I already signed up. It doesn't even matter if you have like they raised to 42 and eliminated ineligibility for priors for marijuana possession slash use or something like that. So our military is getting progressive. And, you know, as a leftist, I want to see things move in that direction. So I have no choice but to stick to my values and sign up immediately.
01:25:33
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Well, yeah. We know that there that when we officially know that they have a real manpower problem is when Pete Hegseth makes a video announcing that they're going to allow trans people to serve again.
01:25:51
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yeah yeah He reverses that decision. Oh, my God. Oh, that's we know we're up the creek. I, for one, you know, my eight month old has been very challenging at night for the past eight months.
01:26:05
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And as much as I'd love to stay and help out, I, you know, duty calls. So I'll see you over there, Casey. See you fellow, all you fellow Patriots. Have a great week and we will talk to you later.