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Ep. 254 – A Whites-Only Vault Toilet That We Can Call Home
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This week we’re diving into a few different stories! We’re starting out with one of our favorite subreddits, r/christiandatingadvice. Then we discuss the arrest of a California pastor and recent Congressional candidate who was duped by a youtube predator catcher called “Big Bad Wolf.” Finally, we talk about an less-than-ambitious attempt to create a “straight, white only” conclave in the mountains of rural Arkansas called Return to the Land. This collection of weirdos have constructed a shanty town where you’re just as likely to contract a medieval ailment as grow a little corn and beans. Enjoy the show!
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Absurd Confessions in Church
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you what Yeah, what they need to do is just find like a, just a sounding board where they can just weekly go. It's like confession, ah but instead it's just the janitor at your church and you just tell them all the sexual thoughts you had.
00:00:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, you should pick someone at random and just just hose them down with horrible, disgusting details. And what's funny about that advice is I feel like growing up in church, we all knew someone who felt that that was their their mission. Like the um the people who just were like, felt like every place was a safe space to tell yeah everybody everything.
00:00:42
Speaker
Oh my dude. That's not what this is, dude. You haven't been in church long enough to know that it's not a safe space to share your deepest, darkest thoughts. It's the place you go to pretend you don't have them.
Sam's Basement Flood Mystery
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everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And Casey, on my drive home today, i was thinking like, yeah, I was just thinking of little like, you know, silly ways to start and end, you know, related to our old church culture of like, why don't we open this up with...
00:01:33
Speaker
would like a praise. what what What are some praises in your life? You know, we focus a lot on prayer requests. So why don't we focus on on praises? um I'll give you a minute.
00:01:44
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ah But the irony is mine was going to be, i have no new bad news about my life to report tonight. um And I was really excited about that.
00:01:57
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But I just came down to my basement to record and I found a giant puddle of water in the corner of my basement. So I don't know. I don't know where it came from or what that means. Everything in this basement was painted over.
00:02:10
Speaker
where like It's just a gray. It feels like you're in like a void, like a gray void. um It's like blindingly gray. When I didn't have any shit down here, it was you walk and you're like... Whoa, they just took the spray gun and just every stairs, the call, everything's fucking gray.
00:02:28
Speaker
And ah it's like ah it's like disorienting to the point, like when you're diving and you have to see which way the bubbles go so that you don't accidentally swim downward and drown. Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:41
Speaker
It's like being put into like when you're put into like a sensory deprivation room, you know, it's a and so that includes the floors painted gray. Now, some of the paint is chipped up and you see the old kind of gross basement floors and you go good move on the cellar, right? Just blast everything in gray paint, hide it, all the problems. You can still see the foundation enough, right? So if there was like a crumbling issue, you could check it out. Like you could tell the the cement walls are fine. No concerns about that. so But the other day i noticed loose paint and I started peeling it up and there's like this little wooden box area that looks like, it looks like a cover maybe. um And I thought that was weird and I thought maybe it was a sump pump, but I, oh, you know what?
00:03:26
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you just crack the case? Yeah, it might be. i'm I'm thinking there might have been a sump down there at one point. I have a sump pump down here um next to my well. and it And there's a um like a little trench that is dug to the bulkhead.
00:03:43
Speaker
And I'm guessing they just had some water leak down here before. Whatever. Nope. I'm not worried about that. It's it's not... Like, you if you know about it and it's like something you can like deal with, you go, yeah, that's fine. It's a fucking basement. Who cares? Right. Some water gets down here. You can't finish areas of it. But you can still do enough with a basement to make it like usable.
00:04:05
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Like um I was setting up a playroom area for the kids down here. And now I'm thinking that maybe on the other side of the basement, there was a pump. here and that it might've, um, I'm wondering if maybe water came up from the ground there and there's no pump there anymore. Uh, we did have snow that has been melting and stuff. So that would create an influx of water. I might've just figured it out, but, uh, now I have to scrape the paint up, make it look extra shitty and then try to figure out what the point of that cover is. I'm guessing. And I think like when I looked around the edges of my basement, I didn't see where water was coming in from. So it feels like it's come up from under the ground there.
00:04:43
Speaker
Um, So it's got to be that. I bet there was a sump there and they just didn't, they didn't replace, maybe it wasn't working. Maybe they didn't replace it. um Either way, it's fucking annoying, dude. Surprise. i just, I don't need any more surprises.
00:04:58
Speaker
Yeah. Have you ever gotten a nice surprise? I've not in like, not in the past, like two to three years. I'm still waiting for someone to like, I'm waiting for a car to be dropped off at my house because someone just feels so bad for me that it just,
00:05:13
Speaker
It doesn't matter. It could be like a you know, $3,000 shit box. Just anything, anything to just like offer some slight reprieve. Dude, I'll give you my Grand Cherokee, but you have to come get it.
00:05:26
Speaker
Fair road trip. will it will will it You're not going want to drive it back. Okay. Yeah, that's ah that. Friends of my wife have um they moved here you from Texas.
00:05:37
Speaker
And they literally just bought like they, they, they had, um, I think they had animals. I forget why they wanted to drive and not fly, but they were like, let's just buy like this, this beater and just pray that it gets us all the way to Massachusetts.
00:05:53
Speaker
That was years ago. It got them all the way to Massachusetts and it's still running and they haven't had to do any work to it And they spent like maybe 3000 on it. Cars really peaked in durability somewhere in that range. Yeah.
00:06:05
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So I don't know if I've talked about it on here, but so I have, I have two
Casey's Jeep Troubles
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old Jeeps. I have a 96 Cherokee, regular one, the real boxy looking guy. Oh, nice. Which I love. and Did you have that when I was visiting?
00:06:19
Speaker
Oh, I think you picked it up after. I think you picked it up after. I've had it like two, two and a half years now. yeah Yeah, I think you got it right after. i would have remembered it because I the old those older like it's so funny because like you look at new cars and you go, that's nice and sleek. That looks cool. Like I'm looking at like I was looking at like new Civics or Camrys or whatever. And I'm like, yeah,
00:06:38
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They look nice. But then when you see like an old Civic in really good condition, like with a new paint job or something, they look so dope. I love old Corollas, too, man.
00:06:49
Speaker
It is funny, like how like old cars that were definitely not like interesting at the time when you see one now that's like really nice. Yeah. Like, dang, that's a ah that's a real clean Lumina. It's like it's like a it's It's like vintage. It like and it's crazy that something that lack like when I had my Corolla, it was like kind of embarrassing sometimes. And then and it was like that green color that was popular in like the early 2000s. Not like a, you know, nothing cool.
00:07:21
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And then towards the end of its life, I actually started to think this thing kind of looks cool. And I think what made me kind of wake up to that was I worked with this guy. He worked in the warehouse that I did manage the fulfillment for. And he was like,
00:07:36
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Man, what you need to do is get a dual exhaust on it, slam it, get some nice rims, tint the fuck out of the windows, and just just get a new paint job. That thing will be sick. like you any You could just turn around and sell it for way more than you spent on it at that point if you wanted to get rid of it.
00:07:54
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and I started looking at it in a new light after that. I was like, God damn, i would that would look so cool. like i would love that. Like my, I love my Cherokee and I've done like a ton of work to it. Like I've replaced pretty much everything. Uh, last summer I bought a grand Cherokee. It's a 93. So it's like the first year looked amazing on the photos. So it's, it's a 93, but it has like 65,000 miles on it.
00:08:23
Speaker
And it just looked insane. Yeah. Some old guy owned it, you know, but, um, the person who sold it to me was not very honest about it. So like it got there immediately had a bunch of issues that I had to fix and sort out, you know, uh, which was fine. It was like, it's an old car. It's what it's going to be. But what I figured out along the way is that it had, even though it's not rusty on the body, like it has a ton of rust underneath oh and it's all been painted over.
00:08:56
Speaker
That's so shitty. do the ownership Did the dealership or who you bought it from paint it over it? I think so, yeah. Yeah, it was a guy. It was just an individual. But I bought it on like an auction site, you know, and had it shipped here. It's crazy. They don't have to disclose that? well There's no like disclosure Rule. They're supposed to, but there was nothing in that article like in the in the description about it. It's like ah the site that I did it through is like a really thorough listings and tons of pictures and stuff, and like they were not forthright about it.
00:09:30
Speaker
So like it's it runs good. it Everything's great about it, except it's got just a ton of rust on the frame and on the suspension and everything. And like anything that I've had to do to it, it's made really hard. And so I'm going to sell it and I'm going to take a bath on it. It's going to blow. but Yeah, that's a bummer.
00:09:50
Speaker
Nothing you can do. Made a bad choice. that I think the worst the worst thing about buying cars is like with the way the car game is right now, a lot like you could find private sales for probably decent prices because of the way the used car game is right now. It's like even if I want something with 150,000 miles on it, I'm paying eight grand.
00:10:11
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mit Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you could, you could buy from a, it's just a back and forth. It's like, you could buy from just a guy like on Facebook marketplace. And you, yeah I mean, you could, you could potentially get ah an awesome deal in a great car, but like, it's so hard to trust people. Right.
00:10:28
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And then, but then like you go to a dealership or, you know, like a auto body shop that also has like their dealership hustle as well. And you're just like, I don't, I don't feel like I can trust these people anymore. Right. You just, yeah yeah, it just feels like there's always like a swindle going on. You never feel like you're, yeah it's just everyone. You just feel like you go there.
00:10:54
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And when you try to like talk about price, it'd be like everyone acts like you're an asshole for like wanting to knock 800 bucks off of something. And yeah, It's like, well, I don't trust. I don't trust that you've even priced as well. In fact, you can just go online and like it's like verifiably proven like you can just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they're overcharging for this car by 1500 bucks. Right. You go, here's the market. Here's what ah a fair deal is. And here's what your chart, like you're offering. And I don't even know, like I looked at an, an HRV the other day.
00:11:27
Speaker
Cause it was again, 8,000 bucks like 150,000 miles on but those last. Um, and, those things last um and It looked like it was in great condition. One owner, no accidents reported all that. And so I gave it a a drive. And as soon as I got off the, like pulled out into the road and just, I was like, I'm just going to floor it and see how that feels.
00:11:47
Speaker
And you just instantly hear like this, like little grindy rattly sound. And I don't know anything about cars and that makes it even harder for guys like me. Like, you know, enough and you've fixed enough, or if you get something and you're like, Oh, got to fix that. That's no big deal.
00:12:02
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Like it's always a big deal for me. And so I hear that and I, I instantly turned around and the brakes were shot on it too, which isn't in of itself a huge problem, but like brakes are, you know, that's just part of the game. Um,
00:12:15
Speaker
And so I bring it back, and talk to the guy. And this place seems legit. Like, they have, like, for a place – They had like 60 something ratings, all five star reviews. It's pretty rare that anyone selling a car has five stars, has five star reviews, right? Like, I mean, if you're in the low fours, you're like, they're probably okay. um So I, and the guy comes out and he goes, I tell him what's up. And he goes, ah let me give it, let me get in it. He was like, actually, do you want to, you want to go for the ride with me?
00:12:45
Speaker
And i was like, yeah. So get in. He hears it. He goes, oh shit, man, I hear what you're talking about. And then he hits the brakes. He goes, fuck, the brakes are shot on this thing. And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, he goes, it's been sitting in, he's like, we get the cars in, in this one sat for 40 days, no interest. He's like, like, and then in the past week I've had like three people ask about it. And, um, he's like, but I, I didn't get a chance to like, he's like, usually I drive them around. I didn't get a chance to, um,
00:13:12
Speaker
He's like, so you're the first person in it. And he's like, I don't know. I'm going to get it in the shop this week and see what the guys have to say about it. He's like, I'll throw some new brakes and, you know, brakes, rotors, whatever on it. And then I'll give you a call. I haven't heard from him. I'm going to give him a call tomorrow and just see.
00:13:26
Speaker
But then you start going like, all right, I know how the old, I know how the game, like, I shouldn't say I know my understanding from talking to people is that sometimes with older cars with higher mileage, if you start doing work on them, you fix one thing and it's not going to be long before. Like if you put a new part or something in an older car, sometimes that can, you know, cause some issues with some other things. I don't know. I just, I've heard it. I've just keep, i hear things. and It's just like, okay, if there's a problem out the gate, even if he says he fixes it, like, and I buy it, am I just going to be like,
00:13:59
Speaker
i don't know. I don't know if I can just be like, can we knock some money off of this? Because now I'm not confident in what i'm buying. Or can we like in the first, at least make a deal where it's like in the first few months, if there's an issue, can I bring it back? Like to get it fixed. like Right. Just some those states, they have to have some sort of like, like minimal guarantee on the vehicle.
00:14:23
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Yeah, and Massachusetts is probably one that has a decent one. But getting it done after the fact, if you do have a problem, is probably going to be a nightmare. Yeah, and this place isn't close. I'm not going to just drop it off and then get a ride to where you go. It'll be a massive inconvenience. So I don't know.
00:14:39
Speaker
I loved my civic um trustee as hell. So I'm probably just going to find something that's like around 150,000 miles. That's like a 2013 to 2015. Just buy it outright and just get me through the next like five or six years of my life.
00:14:56
Speaker
Hmm. Well, good luck. Yep. it's I need it. Fun shopping. I would be, I would be willing to bet that we will be having a conversation soon about how the new car I just bought broke down though.
00:15:10
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Okay, i got I have to ask you, ah you teased a little bit that you have a Christian dating
Navigating Christian Dating Forums
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advice. Yeah, it's it's fun, man. I love Christian dating advice. I actually respond to some of them sometimes. and You do.
00:15:27
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And my comments can always get deleted by the moderators. Yeah. And I keep trying to like word them in ways that won't, because sometimes I accidentally swear, and i don't like I just don't notice that I'm doing it. And they're like, you broke the rules, you can't say fuck. And I was like, ah, shit. So i that's happened a few times, but And one of them recently was someone, it was like this massive, like, Oh my God, dude, the hang up over like the, the torture that someone was putting themselves under because they had some premarital sexual activity. And they were just like, I was trying to be nice, you know, like I was like trying to be like this.
00:16:06
Speaker
I understand that like this, this kind of advice isn't so super welcome here. But there's a lot there's a broad sexual ethic under the umbrella of Christian. um And if this is Christian dating advice, I feel like ah within it's well within reason to offer another perspective here. And I'm not asking you to go against your morals or anything like that, but I think you need to have some like, you know grace for yourself. And then I presented some old alternative ideas, all as kind as I could, because I know my comments get deleted all the time. And then it still was like,
00:16:39
Speaker
Your comment goes against the rules of this. It's basically outside of what Christianity is. And I'm like, God, this is so stupid. You can't you can't even have a... It's so annoying. You can't have a real conversation about like about anything. it's ah It's like outside of what the moderators... like they What they want to like propagate as what's okay or what's what's truly Christian. And it's like... i don't The irony is that you don't see that this is...
00:17:11
Speaker
a problem um you kind want to just put a hand on their shoulder and be like buddy i promise you this is not going to be a big deal yeah that's kind of what i was saying Don't drag yourself and your next relationship and your current relationship. Don't, don't inflict this upon them to as some sort of like penance for yourself that you, that you quote unquote messed up or whatever, like just move on.
00:17:40
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Like you wouldn't do that with, there's so many sins that you could do that you wouldn't do that with just like obsess over after the fact, you know? That's exactly what I did. I i mentioned like,
00:17:53
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like the amount of like gluttonous pastors preaching from the pulpit, the amount like we, we live in what we deem sin and we never, it's never talked about. You don't, you don't hang all of your like hats on it. You just, you kind of just excuse it. And we don't with this. And it's look at the turmoil it's causing people in this sub. And they were like, no, you can't say that. So it got deleted. But,
00:18:19
Speaker
Whatever. So this this woman, she's 18 years old um and her boyfriend is 19. And she's really concerned about the spiritual warfare that's making her spiral.
00:18:31
Speaker
Oh, now she says, ah my boyfriend and I have been together for two years. Our anniversary is this month. So they started dating when she was 16 and the enemy is really attacking her.
00:18:45
Speaker
um I don't There's a lot of things going on in the world. But for some reason, he's honing in on this two year 18 year And she says, lately we've been facing so much spiritual warfare in our relationship i know this is spiritual warfare i know this is spiritual warfare because we've been fighting every day in the second we make up we randomly start to get lustful it's so random It's so random. So random that um we're biologically inclined to make up sex. When we're not angry at each other, we're physically interested in each other. It's, it's almost like it's, always be like, this is like a Pavlov situation where you actually are really enjoying the lustfulness, which you don't get into detail about, but, and some people get into detail here, but she doesn't. And,
00:19:38
Speaker
It's like maybe you're enjoying the lustfulness and that's ah that might be a catalyst for some of the arguments. But yeah, anyway, it's so random.
00:19:49
Speaker
We've both been angrier and we've both been angrier jesus christ angrier and anxious for no reason. And we feel too busy and distant from God and kind of from each other too. This isn't like us at all.
00:20:04
Speaker
Literally all this happened out of the blue. And also, it's not like us at all. Like you're 18. There is no what's like you. You are changing at such a rapid rate.
00:20:15
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You have no idea who you are. Yeah, you are. You are the shape of water. Yeah. Just a bit over a week ago, our relationship was perfect and healthy. We never fought, communicated everything, slow to anger, secure, lust-free, God-centered relationship, etc. We thought we fixed all our issues and we always talked about how much we've grown in our relationship.
00:20:38
Speaker
Everyone always came to us for relationship advice too! exclamation mark We read our Bibles and prayed together every day. Of course we did that individually as well. Of course we did the The signaling there is really funny. Oh yeah. This is so full of like, like just humble brags. Yeah. Because she knew that if she didn't add that, that this Reddit would just come for And that's all this, all Reddit posts are here is just like placating what you expect the responses to be. And then brushing off actual criticism. Yeah. That's a hundred percent.
00:21:16
Speaker
Uh, we've, Of course we did that individually as well, but right now it feels like we can't even do that at all anymore. real It's been a week lady. It's been a week. Keep that in mind.
00:21:26
Speaker
So to like rush to, we can't do it anymore. It's like, I don't, a week's not a lot. I know when you're 18, a week is like, your week is like, you know, an actual percentage of your life, but slow, slow down a little.
00:21:41
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um I know that God is allowing this to happen for a reason. But why? It's so draining and hard. I hate fighting. I hate making him sad. I hate my anxiety. I just miss how healthy we were.
00:21:55
Speaker
And it all happened completely out of the blue, too. That's like the second or third time she said that. I feel so sad, drained, and upset to go to God. So instead, I came to this sub. I hope that works.
00:22:08
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And this is, this is a, what, a two-week period? Yeah. They've been feuding for two weeks and it's like they've been together long enough now to really kind of they they have to grapple with how unhappy they make each other. It's like there's there's you're running out of places to hide it and and you're at each other's throats. Yeah. If it came out of the blue at 18 years old after a two year relationship and it's only been going on for a week, I would like to say that maybe it's not as out of the blue as you think.
00:22:40
Speaker
yeah Yeah, this is just more reasons why it's it's incredibly wise to get married at 18 years old or 20 years old, you know, like because you really you you you can devote the the the brain ram to enjoying your healthy relationship.
00:23:00
Speaker
It I feel like if they got married, that might just solve their problems. You know, I feel like that's I think that's I'm going to respond. I think that's God telling you you should get married. It's it's also yeah, like so much of what's on there is people either saying you should break up or you should get married soon.
00:23:20
Speaker
Here's ah some good responses. Spiritual warfare is so real. It's great that you're aware of it. I find it can be i find it can be a topic that makes people uncomfortable.
00:23:31
Speaker
As you said, as you and your BF, so are you and... My phone went to dark mode and I can't read that very good on these small letters. um Are you and your BF able to discuss it?
00:23:43
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Like another commenter said, Satan uses your your past to manipulate you because it's easier to fall back into the same sinful patterns. which none of that was in the post. Like the projection that people have in this is wild too. Like she said, look, and she's wrong. Not everything was perfect for two years. Let's be real. Like, I don't believe that. But to just say that like your past is what's being drudged up here. Like you don't actually know anything about this person's past. um This guy, I'm assuming it's a guy, says ah nothing is random. Either one of you has fallen into sexual sin in some way or porn.
00:24:21
Speaker
Those don't go together? but no it's different. only One of you has fallen into sexual sin or porn. like What sort of sexual sin would one of them be fallen into that didn't involve porn?
00:24:37
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they're They're engaging in their ah lustful thoughts. ah By themselves. Or together. if they If you start being sexual before you're married, it makes you angry and hate each other.
00:24:50
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<unk> i like how that guy can read a 200-word post, too, and not only determine that there's sin involved, he can determine which sin it was. he and he has even He has a little bit more insight to offer too.
00:25:03
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It also may be that you are both ripe. o Poor choice of words. That you are both ripe for being tempted. So the buffeting of spiritual attacks or if somehow they were invited. Okay, check your grammar, bro. Go back to the basics and ensure that you are both saved. that's that You got to make sure of that. Yeah.
00:25:28
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You know, lawnmower won't run. Make sure there's gas in it. yep Yeah. Yeah. For that matter, even if you are, do you know how to share it or tell someone else? There are many examples in the channel this is from and then he posts a YouTube link on how to share your faith so that I mean, she did she did cover all of her bases, but she didn't mention anything about sharing her faith.
00:25:51
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So he might be on to something. Sometimes it's the words they don't say. Yeah, it's the one thing they haven't thrown at the wall. So give it a shot. Share your faith with a stranger and see if ah you and your boyfriend stop biting.
00:26:07
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If not already, find an old married couple from a church that puts the Bible first. Everyone needs someone to talk with. just The grammar is so hard to get through. To talk with can help you keep focused on the Lord.
00:26:21
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Then you go to a woman who you may tell anything to, and likewise, the guy you are interested in will have a man to talk with. And then he quotes the Bible. Confess your faults to one another and pray for one another that ye may be healed.
00:26:37
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The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. oh He chose the King James Version. Nice. I like how, yeah, the advice there, because we never see this go wrong, right? it's It's find a couple that's much older than you, where, I mean, both, preferably both, but particularly the man, is interested in regularly hearing the weird details of your teenage sexual relationship.
00:27:05
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Yeah, I mean, we covered someone last week who would have been very interested in hearing all of that. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, I can't remember his name, but yeah, Pastor, ah the Indianapolis pervert, he would have he'd been all over it. Like, did you think about anal?
00:27:22
Speaker
Did think about fingering? And if you did, that's where all of your troubles started. So now there's a term for that. It's called felching.
00:27:33
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you what the Yeah, what they need to do is just find like a, just a sounding board where they can just weekly go. It's like confession, but instead it's just the janitor at your church and you just tell them all the sexual thoughts you had.
00:27:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, you should pick someone at random and just just hose it out hose them down with horrible, disgusting details. And what's funny about that advice is I feel like growing up in church, we all knew someone who felt that that was their their mission. Like the um the people who just were like, felt like every place was a safe space to tell yeah everybody everything.
00:28:12
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Oh my God, dude. That's not what this is, dude. You haven't been in church long enough to know that it's not a safe space to share your deepest, darkest thoughts. It's the place you go to pretend you don't have them.
00:28:25
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It's so funny because it's like I'm just thinking of like, oh yeah, I remember very uncomfortable situations where this guy that nobody really knew, like shared way too much detail about like what him and his girlfriend were struggling with or.
00:28:41
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you know yeah It was like the their version of a brag. you know You have to mask all of your cool brags. and It's like that guy we always talk about who shows up and talks about his past sin. yeah it's just this is like ah eight This is like a 17-year-old's way of like, he's like, but everyone when the pastor's not looking, he's looking around the room like winking at the other kids like, yeah, I felt so bad when I when i slipped that second finger in there. and Everyone's just like, Jesus Christ. And he's like,
00:29:10
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Got this goofy smirk on his face. Doesn't feel bad at all. Just gets off on making everybody else uncomfortable and jealous at the same time. Yeah, when ah when my sister my sister and her ex-husband, they started dating like really young. They were like 14.
00:29:27
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And i remember like a lot of people felt it was their responsibility to like get involved in their relationship. you know But there was one couple in particular that like approached them. they weren't They didn't talk to them.
00:29:41
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This couple approached them and said, you know we want to be your guys' as accountability partners. And we want to kind of shepherd you through your dating experience or something like that. and how useless do you have to feel in life to go out of your way to do that?
00:29:57
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Yeah. And it's always somebody that's like they're like 24 and they've been married free yeah for 18 months. And they're like, we're ready to give advice. Yeah. And my advice to them would be start like a weekly Lord of the Rings risk group.
00:30:13
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Do anything else. Please find another hobby. Find another way to serve. Hey, why don't you go do manual labor for some like old lady? That's nice. Go do that.
00:30:24
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Why don't you go share the gospel? That supposedly has a higher level of importance. This person does seem like unbearably annoying. And yeah, I this this relationship is destined to fail at some point. It's just will they get married and add financial consequences to it first?
00:30:48
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It's so true. My money's on. Yes. the the way the The way it's like a virtue to stay together at that age for the sake of the like your faith or whatever. It's like, you know what? and Here's an alternative.
00:31:02
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you You can break up and it's that's hard and it sucks, but like you don't you're not married yet. You don't have to like force yourself into it. And I know they want to, and it's unfortunate that like the, all this pain and struggle and hurt comes from and just this inherited dogma that's doing nothing to, to help them.
00:31:22
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But I got, ah let's let's move on. We can harp on ah these things for hours, and we do,
Church Scandals and Crime
00:31:30
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and it's fun. But i this isn't a pastor who was arrested, but he is a church employee, and this one's wild.
00:31:38
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a houston A Houston, Texas area church employee is charged with impersonating a public servant for allegedly pretending to be an ICE agent and threatening to deport a woman unless she paid him $500, according to court documents.
00:31:53
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And what's crazy is all he had to do was sign a paper and not be able to do three pushups or pass an IQ test. And he could have actually been an ice agent and done that. And not faced any consequences. He's the perfect age for it. i This guy is a totally ready to be an ICE officer. Yeah. I mean, he could he could make it happen if he wanted to. It's literally like getting getting your wrist slapped for not having a marriage like certificate and officiating a ceremony. you know It's like, just go online and join the Church of the Spaghetti Monster or whatever. It's so easy to make it official.
00:32:33
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I got a one day solemnizer, solemnization, sodomization, ah maybe. i might have done the wrong paperwork. um I did. officiated my brother-in-law's wedding and it like it required a little bit of work. I needed a letter of recommendation and stuff. But you know what? It was probably a lot easier than becoming an ICE agent.
00:32:57
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We have here Donald Doolittle, 56, no, 58. has served as the safety director of the Gateway Community Church of Webster about 25 miles southeast of Houston for 10 years, according to the affidavit. Now, the safety director, I would assume, is the guy who hires who like decides which parishioner walks the perimeter with a gun weekly to make sure that they don't get jihad-ed.
00:33:23
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I was going to say, they just they just they must have a way of figuring out who fantasizes the most about stopping a mass shooter. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, you're the man. The church I grew up in started doing that probably like eight eight years ago or something like that. And they' yeah, they just have people who who have their LTC. they Their job that Sunday is to just play Mall Cop for an hour and a half.
00:33:50
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Once in a while they get somebody. do they it might not be the right guy but it's a nut could someone they might have just been there for uh to to check out a new church but um like so it says uh he pulled out it's according to according to the video of the saturday court hearing uh do little got into a disagreement with the my with mayans over his method of payment i don't know what this was And at that point, he said, she said he pulled out an ID card labeled ICE, stating that he was an ICE agent. It was just like a piece of paper he wrote ICE on and put it in his wallet.
00:34:30
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uh, that he was an ICE agent who needed to see her ID. He demanded that Zell, that she Zell him $500 or he would take her away and she would never see her family or children again.
00:34:41
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So real and nice. fellow We don't need to read through the rest of it. Um, but his bond is set at $10,000 and, neither do little nor his attorneys have responded to, ABC news for requests for comment.
00:34:57
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Hmm. Well, Dr. Doolittle. Yep. He messed up again. It wasn't a well thought out plan. No, it's funny because I don't think he I don't know if he intended to do that the moment he got there or if he like had a Sharpie in his pocket and he like turned around and just scribbled ice on something real quick and then turned back around was like, hey, you see this here? I could I could make sure you never see your family again.
00:35:24
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God, what a despicable human being. yeah right You have to do that. Right. And that that dude just goes to church every day, every week. He's been the safety officer for 10 years or whatever, the the hall monitor for 10 years there. he And and it's it's stuff like this. Going down the pastor arrested page, it's that kind of stuff where every single day it's something new and you go, can we all just admit that church isn't making people better at this point?
00:35:51
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you're Right.
00:35:54
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um Okay, so here's my pastor arrested story. And this one has a video, which makes it more fun. So so I okay, so I forget which story it was, it might have been the ah oh I always think it was the Michael Tate story when we went through that whole deal.
00:36:13
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e I was looking at the Roy's report, R-O-Y-S. And it's a great site. There's a lot of good stuff on here and a lot of interesting stories.
00:36:25
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decent journalism but they they posted one today that caught my eye because just because of it the weird headline it says big bad wolf stings church of god pastor in california park so there's a youtube creator called big bad wolf and he runs a predator sting outfit ah called caught fish i just love that people get involved in that lane you know This one is it's I'm probably going to go watch more of his videos because he's pretty funny. He's like a young black dude. And he like opens the video with showing this pastor like being handcuffed in this park. And he's got like a frizzy wig on and real bright clothing. And he's doing like Fortnite dances in front of the guy. Yeah.
00:37:21
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So, does yeah okay. So at first the pastor looked surprised when a man slid into the front seat of his white Yukon SUV parked in a lot at a park just outside of Los Angeles. The pastor had arranged to meet up with someone who claimed online that he was only 16 years old.
00:37:41
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And so in the video, yeah, he shows himself basically like films himself getting into the car and being like, he's like, can we have an easy conversation about this, bro? And he starts telling it like, you know, just just asking this guy just basic question. And the dude just melts. So he's like ah he's like a 54 year old pastor from from California.
00:38:05
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and the guy just melts under pressure. Like ah first starts like spilling his guts to this guy. And and it's talking about how his marriage went south long time ago.
00:38:19
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It's just every time you can sit there and you can watch them trying to figure out how to like how to spin what they did and like try it. Like he's he's clearly like he's very aware of what's in the chat logs. Right. So he's. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:35
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Just trying to craft this narrative of like, well, people lie about their age all the time. And I just really wanted to see if this was somebody, you know, I didn't, I didn't believe that he was 16. I thought he was, I thought he was older because, you know, I lie about my age on there. I mean, you saw my age and he's like, he's like, how old are you?
00:38:52
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He's like 54. And he's like, your profile says 55. That's one year. Yeah. He's like, it's like yeah, but i've been on the um'm but I've been on the site for several years. It's like, God, dude, you're just digging yourself up deeper and deeper. Yeah.
00:39:08
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it I thought he lied about it. thought he was pretending to be 16, but i was going to check his ID because a lot of the 18 year olds pretend to be 16 because they look 16. And it's not a crime to want to sleep with someone who looks 16. It's only a crime if they are 16. So I'm actually not doing anything wrong. And I was going to cover on my bases from the start.
00:39:30
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yeah know There's a oh, man, we watched a ah like a YouTube video about this like TikTok creator that that got busted trying to meet up with young young girls.
00:39:44
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He calls himself the buddy, the buddy. His name's Buddy and he calls himself like the buddy. That was his handle online. But like he's one of those guys where he gets confronted in a park.
00:39:56
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This guy who had trolled him and made videos about him being a freak, you know, like off of the forehand. makes a profile and baits him into a, into meeting him thinking that he's a 14 year old girl. Like it was so easy to snare this dude. And then he gets there and the guy's like, no, no, I don't know anybody by that name. Actually, you know, a lot of people don't know this, but the, uh, the age of consent in, uh, New York is this and the age of is like,
00:40:26
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Dude, youre you you are not arguing your way out of this no matter what, but you reciting every state's age of consent laws is like not helping your case. It's like, yeah, a lot of people don't know that because that's not information people actually feel like they need to know. They don't dig you don't need to dig it up. but It's not important because they're not coming close to it.
00:40:47
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He got caught talking to one person that like turned, you know, like reported him to these YouTubers that were like ex exposed him or whatever, you know, he's like, well, actually, but she's in the UK and in the UK, the age of consent is this and that. So, you know, but there's nothing illegal. There's nothing illegal about that. Like, okay, but you live here. You realize that?
00:41:10
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i bet he I bet he's one of those people that in his private time ah would do the whole Alex Jones globalization freak out, you know? Yeah, he seemed like he could have a touch of that.
00:41:22
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Suddenly when it's convenient for ah laws and standards in other countries become incredibly important. And who looks that up? Dude, who does that kind of research? But he's like, why?
00:41:35
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I'm sure somewhere below his search history on what the age of consent is in the UK is ah something along the lines of how to emigrate to the UK. You know, he think he's like, he's like looking that up and like, oh, it's 15. And so he starts like Googling like 15 year old English girl nude. Yeah. She's in England. ah it's It's totally legal there. yeah
00:42:06
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He's got a whole bunch of like saved homes, like saved Airbnbs for the UK. Yeah. it's Plans the family. You know what? Talks to his family. You know, i I've always wanted to visit the UK. Now I got a conference coming up, so going to have to be away for 48 hours. Don't worry about what the conference is.
00:42:25
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But, you know, I think it'd be great if the whole family came along. Yeah.
00:42:31
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There is like a thing like where i've I've watched a lot of these like sting videos from Chris Hansen and other people, you know and there's a there's a thing that happens when it's an older guy that it's easy for them to pull on like the sympathy string. you know And like this guy he's said He's just an old pudgy black dude. He looks like ah Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince.
00:42:57
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In fact, that's what all the commenters were saying, because dude's live streaming him getting arrested. That's so brutal. I don't mean that in a negative way. You can do that. I'm not. It's just such a savage takedown.
00:43:08
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But there's a part of it where like clearly like this, his hands are shaking like clearly his life is over. Yeah, you're literally reckoning with that. like within like within ah Within a span of five seconds, you go from, how do I get out of this?
00:43:24
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like and And the mental bandwidth that it consumes to try to... like like You're now looking and thinking through everything that's happened for the last... like you know, two weeks and you're just brain is going off the rails trying to figure out how to make this work. Yeah. You're mentally scrolling through the log. It just, you exhaust all of your mental capacity in about 40 seconds and then you just crash.
00:43:52
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There's yeah. you're like You're a college kid. It's like it's like a college kid who's been popping caffeine pills for eight hours straight trying to finish that paper. And they have a mental breakdown on the fucking closing paragraph.
00:44:06
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That's what that is. He's on 54 hours of no sleep and in yellow jackets from from Quick Trip. it Finally, just goes into a meltdown. yeah yeah This guy, like like i said, he he's clearly like his life is over now, you know, and he's dealing with that as he's being, as they're talking to him. He's shaking and he just looks like a nice, you can't help but look at it him and be like, this just looks like a nice old man. Like, yeah, yeah. You know,
00:44:38
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And then you see the chat logs and then you're like, oh, okay. so yeah So this wasn't like a momentary lapse of judgment. Like you've been trying to set this up for like a week and a half.
00:44:49
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You know, like the gross things that he says, that well when do you get off? When do you get out of school? Like, is your grandma going to be home? You know, and ah could I come over if I come over right now? And like, there's like a clear pattern to the messages where they're in short bursts, where it's like he got horny.
00:45:07
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He messaged this kid a bunch and tried to set up a meeting. And when it didn't happen immediately, he like jerked off and then he disappears. Yeah. yeah and Oh, dude, just like, i want to I want to eat you for Thanksgiving dinner, and I want to come over and help you with your shower. Ever had your booty ate?
00:45:26
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like What? ah And he thinks he's talking to a 14. That's crazy, dude. Yeah. So ah he got fired from his church. So yeah this is that's good. This is recent. This is in the last week here that he got caught.
00:45:44
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And the other crazy thing about it is he just recently in 2024 ran for Congress. ran for congress Well, that makes sense. That makes a lot more sense. He ran against another fat slob pedophile, Randy Fine, and got beat.
00:46:01
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That's crazy. It's like, i is it something about whatever shutoff valve is in your brain and to to be able to do pedophile shit? is that like there I want to know if there's something like synonymous with it also creating some urge to run for government. Yeah.
00:46:22
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Yeah, it's it's being a narcissist that thinks they're entitled to everything like. Right. And he was a pastor and that's more likely to be a narcissist in general, too. Right. Yeah. Like you've had this urge to get up and tell people how to live. Yeah. Be an inspiration to them.
00:46:38
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How to wash the booty hole. That's important, dude. Yeah, so um I don't know. I wonder why he lost it. I couldn't help it but think that like maybe if he would have gotten caught like six months earlier, he might have won that election. you know Maybe he wasn't clear enough about the fact that he was a pedophile to actually like secure the office.
00:47:01
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Right. yeah Who was what? There was someone who recently ran that definitely was. but I sent the story to you. was a guy. as I don't remember. You don't know that J.D. Vance is a pedophile.
00:47:14
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ah No, he's just still a leather file or whatever you call it. I don't know. There's a thing for that. But I forget the word is, but it's common enough where there's an actual sexual term for ah a leather fetish.
00:47:28
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He's going really wear out Erica Kirk. yeah As long as she keeps wearing those leather pants.
00:47:39
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Oh, OK. So that was one of my stories. Do you want to get into the this one's a little different? um But I started reading this article and I was like, oh man, this is ah this is great.
Racial Segregation in Arkansas
00:47:52
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it There's just there's something about like a group of just in like unvaluable morons getting together that is uh that's special it like really creates a lot of heat it's friction that creates heat you know what i mean so this is uh this is in this is the times.com and the article headline is the sinister u.s village for white straight christians only oh you don't say
00:48:24
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Deep in rural Arkansas, Eric Orwell has founded Return to the Land, an all-white compound. 60 years after the end of segregation in America, is his community a remote collection of oddballs or a sign of more extremism to come?
00:48:39
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And not to spoil this, but the answer is both. LAUGHTER
00:48:47
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I do like there is something and they really like, oh, is it this or is it the other? You had me on the edge of my seat. How could I how could I not see both coming?
00:49:00
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ah There is something annoying about like somebody who's just trying to be a journalist hard, like you're you're journalisting too hard. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. Like trying to make sure that you're not really capable of doing.
00:49:13
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it's, I probably already complained about this, but it's like every, I, again, I need to delete Facebook because every time you go on it, you just get these like gossip things that are very misleading with the, with the picture and the little tagline.
00:49:26
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And they're often, it's like, you go to the, I'll go to the comments and it's like all the comments immediately are like, that's not what this is about. It's literally about this. It's like, one of them was like Gwen Stefani ah is hawking an anti-abortion app.
00:49:40
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And it's, Not that it's Gwen Stefani is was doing ads for the what's it's a Bible app.
00:49:51
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um Other people have done ads for it. It's they get a lot of celebrities to do it. It's like a Catholic Bible app. um But I'm forgetting the name of the app in general. But it's um the article was just trying to equate that because it's Catholic, it's anti-abortion and that people were not about it.
00:50:10
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And it's just, it, that's not, it it's just Gwen Stefani who is, I guess, Catholic and has been for quite some time is just did an ad for the Catholic Bible app where you get daily Bible verses and shit like that. And it's like, again, to try to like, just, it's like, and then you have like the article, which is, it's always AI. It's all AI articles that it just, it sounds like the worst, like most shoddy journalism ever. It's like,
00:50:40
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Gwen Stefani said something, something, something. And you wouldn't believe what happened next. What happened next was so outside of what anyone was expecting. And it's just, it's. It's journalism, quote unquote, aimed at at the people who respond to those radio ads that were like, you might be entitled to a cash settlement. Yeah. If you ever licked asbestos, you know, and in grade school.
00:51:05
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You're right. Okay, so this annoying opening paragraph is, Halfway between Memphis and Little Rock, to reach rick Eric Orwell's experiment in race-based living, you must drive for several hours through deeply conservative Arkansas. Past steak restaurants where men wear khaki even when they're not hunting, which I don't, khaki?
00:51:27
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A lot of people wear khaki. Yeah, don't really associate that with hunting, but whatever. what I mean, what's the hunting guard? It's like the the cover like the coverall things, like the big overalls.
00:51:39
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Yeah, or camo, I would imagine. i guess bird hunting people wear some khaki stuff. I don't know. Past diners where the waffles come with thick dollops of blueberry jelly.
00:51:50
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Past Pentecostal and Baptist churches where the carp car parks are filled with pickup trucks for Sunday service. shit Like how well all I've already just learned that all this person is trying to do is meet their word count for their editor. That's it. It feels that way.
00:52:06
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Have you been washed in the blood? Asks one billboard. No, they even did it wrong. They said, have you been washed in blood? Asks one billboard. That doesn't ring the same.
00:52:18
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No, no, it does not. You've got to designate which blood. It's the blood.
00:52:25
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When it feels like you cannot drive or cannot venture any deeper into the Bible Belt, you turn off down two mile dirt track that leads to Return of the Land. Return to the land where you will find Orwell, a classical musician from Los Angeles with a fondness for quoting Plato, who has become increasingly famous in far right circles.
00:52:45
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The all white community in the Ozark Mountains is home to 40 white Americans. Membership is limited to heterosexual Christians and pagans of European descent. Black people, gays and Jews are not allowed to live here.
00:52:58
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The United States was founded as a country for white people, Orwell 35 says. The Naturalization Act of 1790 said a person could be a citizen if they were a free white person of good character. The founders were white nationalists.
00:53:12
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Just like, oh, okay, okay. And who's saying that? Who's saying that? The guy who's the leader of this kind enclave. Okay. Orwell. And it is weird. Like, they're making it sound like...
00:53:26
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I mean, look, we get everybody gets that like rural white America has a vibe that's not particularly well welcoming to certain groups. But you're finding this like one so group and just painting the entire community as them, you know.
00:53:42
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Yeah. And it's like, do they rule? Like, is this a cult? Is it like where they have their like finger on every on every part of the community? i don't know.
00:53:53
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And also, what is what? whats What's up with the diners and waffles with a dollop of blueberry jelly? What is that? Who serves waffles with blueberry jelly? I don't i I've never heard that. Where have you ever found blueberry jelly on a restaurant table?
00:54:09
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Right. I hop you like peel off that little like that little plastic covered piece of tinfoil and you get like that little spread. You know, that's the dollop. But like, yeah, that's just don't know Vaseline with sugar and blue color.
00:54:27
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It's cool, though, because it never expires. That's true. I mean, it's got a high enough sugar content where that will sit in a lukewarm, in a room temperature dining table for six years and they don't have to get rid of it.
00:54:42
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Yeah, there is something kind of annoying about like journalists who clearly like either are just there. They're from like city environment or they moved there and they have like a resentment towards where they grew up or something. And they it bleeds into like what they write all the time because like there's nothing inherently like bad or evil about like rural towns. And like it's like the same people who write articles that like, you know, talking about, oh, we got to be we got to stick up for the farmers and we got to, you know, safeguard, you know, these people who who grow our food and stuff. It's like, well, this is them like this. You can't have it both ways. Like people with bad ideology might be a very important part of our global or national ecosystem. But. It is, it just, and and you can just tell, like, maybe if you're just like, ah you know, a city guy who grew up secular and you read this and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
00:55:43
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But like, when people write in this way, like they have a bone to pick with something that they don't even really understand, it's like, it does get, it's, it, it grates on you. Like, uh, I, I, one of the YouTube news commentators that I like to listen to is Kyle Kalinsky.
00:56:04
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Right. And he's a, he's just like a bro. He's our age, but he's very bro. We, um, But I typically find him to have a correct analysis of a lot of things, and he provides a ton of information.
00:56:18
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And any big-ish or important story in our political realm, I feel like he's he's usually covering to some degree or another.
Journalistic Biases
00:56:29
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But one thing I find that he like he always gets wrong is his assessment of like Christian stuff.
00:56:37
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And yeah, not not Christian nationalism, because I think you can cover that from any direction if you're coming from the perspective that it's ridiculous and be right um for for various reasons, because it's wrong on on so many. Like, yeah, there's a lot to pick at it. Yeah, it doesn't matter where you're coming from. It's just like... it's A lot of scabs to scratch. Logically ridiculous from all perspectives. um But when it comes to like certain things, you just go like, dude, you don't get it. And listening to someone who doesn't get it harp on it is actually one of the most annoying things for me. And I'm like, I agree with like where you're ending or why. like
00:57:19
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And I agree with your system, like your value system. But at the same time, I'm like... There there is actually an importance to getting what people think right in and critiquing it properly. you know and yeah When I listen to stuff like this, like you go, you're not doing that. you're You're critiquing it from a perspective or a bias that's that has a poor understanding of what what it is and I think that's ah more harmful because you you end up you end up critiquing things that are less related to the religion and maybe more related to like a particular ah subculture you know ah like there are cultural aspects and other other other maybe philosophical or
00:58:10
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um historical like historical in the sense that like revisionist for sure but there's so much more going on so to just be like to like reduce it to like driving by like a waffle house with fucking blueberry jelly on the waffle you just go this is this is silly and it it it you i find that people who do that often work against their own interests which is it i always a huge frustration of mine and i've come at that from a million angles before but like oh i'm cutting so and so off because they don't think the right way it's like okay cool now you're working against your own interests like
00:58:51
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I just get tired of people acting like they have this lofty goal and that they're the virtuous ones. And then they just put out dribble or draw these lines in the sand that actively make the, the, at the battle towards like a better world or something more just like just, they, they work against it because they're turning so many people away who they might be able to sway, but they can't get their, like these stupid, like biases out of their, out of their head.
00:59:20
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Yeah, it's the it's the same sort of like kind of fundamental conviction that you are just undoubtedly correct about things. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And if you don't harbor any doubts about like the cornerstones of your like worldview, then you probably aren't being very honest with yourself.
00:59:37
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Yeah, or at least willing to entertain them. Like I have I there are things that I don't have doubts about, you know, like I'm like you you want to talk to me about single payer health care.
00:59:48
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I just I don't I you're not going to find me with any doubts and I'm going to be sincere and honest about it. But like but if you're going to ask me exactly how all the numbers break down and how we're going to do it and what the whole plan is, then I'd be like, yeah, I'm willing to have that conversation.
01:00:03
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And I'm willing to be wrong about something, some ideas that I have about how to make it work. You know, and I think it's fine to be like convicted. I have clear convictions about things, but to be unwilling to understand. Like, so even talking to people who don't believe that, like you have to understand why they don't believe that. And you have to be generous and you have to work within their paradigms until you can widen those paradigms.
01:00:27
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Yep. Yeah, exactly. What were you to say about Kyle? i I don't like Kyle as much as you do. I think i he kind of drives me crazy sometimes, but i can see there's one instance where, yeah, that's not always fair, I guess. But there's there's one instance I remember like a year or two ago or something, and he was doing a segment where You know, he was critiquing this like kind of dopey tangent that like Rogan and one of his guests went off on about like they were talking about like people skipping work for because of like mental health, like they needed a mental health day or something like that, which is dumb, right? It's an annoying like...
01:01:11
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you know find something else to complain about. you know You can't make broad judgments about people. like Some people might need that. Maybe that's a really important thing, and you have sick days. Take your sick days if you need to or whatever. but right right like I remember like Kyle's point on it was like, If you're working a crappy job, you know you're working at some like restaurant or something like that, like dude, take all the days off you need.
01:01:35
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Take the days off. You deserve it. Take the days off. And it's like, okay, Kyle, but this it see, this is where I can sell it. you like You haven't worked a normal job in a long time because when you take your day off and you skip your shift, you've just made everybody else's life worse that has to fill in for you now.
01:01:52
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Like, yeah but yeah, everybody has to run circles around. And like sometimes you need that and you call in a favor and like you you take the day, you know, and your friends cover for you.
01:02:04
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Other times, though, you've we've all worked with a person who just was like so lackadaisical about their commitments and it made everybody else's job so much more stressful.
01:02:15
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And it's like, i yeah yeah, but Kyle is right about a lot of things. I mean, he he is ah he does have a lot of good you know assessments of things. He doesn't have a good, he's what he's not good about. like he's i I like him, and ive i he's good if you're on or within the realm of his side. He's not good he He is not the kind of person whose videos you would send to somebody whose mind you wanted to change.
01:02:45
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Right. So that is it's clear. let's I want to be clear about that. Like he's inflammatory. They're for the choir. Yep. Yep. So getting back to the story here.
01:02:58
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um So it's situated at the top of a hill above a creek prone to flash flooding. The village is still a work in progress, a collection of rudimentary houses in varying stages of completion with portable toilets in place of indoor plumbing.
01:03:12
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For the settlers, return to the land is about asserting an individual's rights over his property. For anti-racism campaigners, the village amounts to segregation. And this is where, like, you really, like, even through, like, some of the authors, like, clear, you know, ideas about things, like, you really can get the picture that this is a bunch of stooges.
01:03:35
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Like these are idiots living in the woods. Like they don't have indoor plumbing. They're, they're, they're crapping in chemical toilets, you know, to build their new utopia white village. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:47
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Well, people want to voluntarily segregate, they should be allowed. Orwell says sites in Tennessee, Missouri, and West Virginia have been earmarked for settlements. And he even plans to expand into the suburbs of major American cities.
01:04:01
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Yeah. Those plans are not going to happen. No, it won't happen. And, that That's different than... like You're saying they should be voluntarily allowed, or Orwell is, and that their plan is to move it into cities, but that that wouldn't...
01:04:16
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You can't make like you can't make that happen. That won't happen. It can't happen. And based on a lot of based on a lot of reasons within cities, based on like public school systems and busing. and Now, you could maybe like, I don't know. I don't know how you could take an entire city block and voluntarily make that what white. You know what I mean? Like this is pie in the sky nonsense from a narcissist. I mean, this is a this is a church plant.
01:04:44
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Yeah. and And this guy's quoting that, right? And, oh, saying that you should be voluntarily. But also... probably not worth spending a lot of time on. you You can do that.
01:04:55
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You know what I mean? Like, and there is, like, you could set up a rural community. I don't know that you could, you probably can't legally, like, right, be like, oh, we can't legally segregate. But, like, there are plenty of areas, like, everybody knows that there are plenty of areas that are particularly white that are not where anybody else would want to move to.
01:05:17
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Yeah, and sometimes there's a racial minority that lives on land that is rightfully, it's by rights, yours, you know, and you have to, you know, strangle their sheep and burn down their olive trees until they leave your land, you know, beat their old women with sticks into a coma.
01:05:38
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you know i mean, how else are you going to get back? what was Like the founding fathers envisioned.
01:05:45
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Each return to the land resident must apply to join Orwell's private association, whereupon they are awarded a share of his company, which translates into a three acre plot.
01:05:56
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Three acres. Not bad. That's generous, dude. Come on. Grow a little corn scratch on there. Yeah. Got room to bit dig a couple of chemical toilets if you want. Yeah.
01:06:07
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For we start our tour on Orwell's parcel of land where roosters scratch through the dry leaves for grubs. With his blonde hair and piercing cerulean, cerulean? I don't know what that word means.
01:06:19
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Eyes. It is not clear. It's blue. He's Hitler. Yeah. It's not clear whether he has accent accentuated his Nordic features by neatly gelling his hair or he just happens to look that way. Here we go, dude.
01:06:35
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Here we go. that's quote Your Nordic features are all about the amount of gel that you have in your hair. I'm sure a lot of Nordic people appreciate that. Quote, I look like the guy from the SS posters. He says...
01:06:49
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Nice. It is such a douche. He has never been to Europe apart from a brief stop over in Amsterdam, but has traced his ancestry to the and thevi family from Norway.
01:07:02
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ah Yeah, probably. For countless generations, my ancestors, my ancestors have lived in homogenous communities of people with European descent, he says.
01:07:14
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Growing up in California, india there is some very funny things about this guy's backstory, considering where he's at now and how he got there, right? Oh, almost like ah any other cult leader where they just make it up entirely.
01:07:29
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Yeah, like, ah it looks like we've tried a few different grifts, you know? Growing up in California. Is this like the ChatGPT4 model? You know, he's gone through a few iterations.
01:07:42
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Yeah, yeah. We're into Mecca Hitler now.
01:07:47
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Orwell says he had two black friends, as well as acquaintances from Orange County's Philippine community, relationships that he cannot quite bring himself to condemn. He is more comfortable attacking the city's overall demographic shifts.
01:08:01
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Quote, thinking back on it, I was bullied, he says. Quote, for instance, in history class, we were learning about Chinese inventions and all the things these other civilizations have done. They gave the impression white Western people had done nothing.
01:08:15
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They were essentially teasing me about it. What? What? That dude spent a lot of time in that class talking about how upset he was about that, but offered no, offered nothing. You know, he's like, Oh, what about what, of what what about, why don't we talk about what white people have done? And they're like, ah go ahead. And he's like, they're bullying me. like By talking about other cultures. I was in world history class and they didn't talk enough about white people's inventions.
01:08:48
Speaker
What that's like and it's so funny because that's like ultimate snowflake shit, too, you know? Yeah. And it's like realizations he's coming to long after he's left high school. Yeah, I don't get the impression this was a complaint he had during it. He's yeah, he's kind of created this little like like ah microaggression.
01:09:08
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He's like, I can't be racist. I had two black friends 30 years ago. I know some Filipinos and stuff. ah Okay, another interesting part of his backstory.
01:09:20
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After leaving high school, Orwell moved to upstate New York to attend a music college, and following graduation, was hired to play the French horn in the Shen Yun Orchestra, a Chinese traveling troupe associated with Falun Gong, a New York-based cult whose Messianic leader, Li Hongzhi,
01:09:40
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opposes interracial relationships, and thinks extraterrestrials walk the earth. All right, so I get it now. All of this is because he just can't admit that he's gay. Dude, I...
01:09:54
Speaker
It's like, I don't know if we've got direct evidence, but there is circumstantial stuff. The worst shit ever. It's always the worst shit ever that just comes from someone not being able to admit who they actually are. That's it. It's just goddamn. We've never dug into Falun Gong before because it's just it just seems like a big nut to crack.
01:10:18
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But that is a very weird organization. Yeah, i't I've never heard of it. Well, you've seen the billboards for Shen Yun, the like, you know, yeah preco yeah pre-communist China, yeah like danced routines and stuff. there's I watched some videos about it. And like, it's so it's tied to this cult that really has all the like hallmarks of like a, yeah you know, American intelligence, like foreign op.
01:10:49
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like anti-communist op that they did or something like that. the first time i Remember when um I told that story about how ashamed I was that didn't stick up for the woman at the Chinese restaurant when that dude was like berating her?
01:11:04
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Oh, yeah, yeah. the That was also the first time that I saw a poster for that, like that wos up what's it called? Shen Yun. Yeah, Shen Yun. That was the first time I saw a poster for that.
01:11:17
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And I think that's why it stuck in my brain, because while I was being an absolute coward, I just stared at that poster like I was interested in it. ah Yeah, it's a strange deal. I mean, they mostly they're pretty much like you get entrapped in this cult and they basically use you as slave labor and they're like traveling circus.
01:11:40
Speaker
And yeah, it's it's a very weird. So it's just a circus story. It's a people circus. It doesn't have any elephants or anything. That's all that's what a circus is. How about we pay you 12 cents a day and you never get off the road? And when you're no use to us, we leave you in a ditch somewhere. You're the elephant getting beaten with a stick.
01:12:03
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Orwell recently did a two-hour YouTube video with Nick Fuentes, 27, a man that just will not go away. Dude, and sometimes I think that like because of his little... like little rise and all of this, like people are like trying to get him on to argue with him and we need to stop doing that.
01:12:24
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ah I've had enough of him. like We need to stop having him on to prove that he's a terrible person. like just let Half of his success right now is from leftists and liberals being like, I'm going to have him on the show and I'm going to tell him what's what. like Just don't. Stop. Stop giving this fucking dickhead a platform. like You guys have made him like a mainstream name.
01:12:47
Speaker
He had a weird little cult following, and you've turned him into like a household name at this point. you know yeah It's just like... pierce morgan like I'm not like a you know a deplatforming kind of guy. like You shouldn't offer someone a platform because they have they think bad things or whatever.
01:13:06
Speaker
But... What's there to say at this point? He's said it all. And and he's like got to. There's something strange about that guy. Like, no, he's on the fact that he has, like, you know, he's a racist weirdo or whatever.
01:13:20
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It just feels so contrived, like his whole rise to fame and like doing all these interviews. And like he has kind of like shifting chameleon beliefs about a lot of things. Yeah, he definitely does. that he's trying to weasel his way into a like a mainstream conservative position.
01:13:41
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, for sure. There's a lot of people that seem dead set on making him that. i i just um I'm done with this guy. i don't find him interesting. It's not fun to listen to him you know him and somebody argue. like Stop having it. Just stop.
01:13:56
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In all of those arguments, he's just a troll. you know like He's not engaging in good faith about anything. He doesn't have good faith arguments. um I said looking at you, Pierce Morgan, because he had him on the show, and I don't think that was necessary. But I got to say, out of all the interviews and or clips of interviews that I've seen with him on, Pierce Morgan was the first one I've seen really fucking hold his feet to the flame.
01:14:21
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And he got Nick, he kind of like knocked him down a peg or two. And it was pretty good. Like, cause one of the things he hit him on was ah Nick told this story about how his dad basically was a racist and Pierce tries to bring it up. And Nick gets really like ornery about it. It was just like, I can't believe you would bring my dad into it. He goes, I, I didn't bring your dad into it. You, you brought your dad into it. You told the story about your dad. That was,
01:14:49
Speaker
clearly going to be received by people as your dad is a racist. And I'm asking you a question about something that you brought into the public space. and And he, Nick just goes, you know what you're doing. You, you know what you're doing. And I can't believe you would do that. And he's like,
01:15:05
Speaker
Yes, I do know what I'm doing. I'm bringing up something that you brought into the public space and Nick just crashes out over. It's just like it's like it's there's it scratches a certain itch at the back of your brain to watch him get tongue tied in that situation. But like Pierce didn't win that exchange in the eyes of like the people who came there to watch Nick Fuentes dunk on Pierce Morgan, you know? Right, right. So like it's just it's just old at this point.
01:15:32
Speaker
right I do like that the article here mentions, in October, Fuentes controversially appeared on the podcast of the former Fox News host, Tucker Carlson, where he expressed admiration for Joseph Stalin and claimed that an organized Jewry ran America.
01:15:47
Speaker
The two men criticized Israel-supporting conservatives. yeah Okay, well, they're blind squirrel again. Yeah, yeah.
01:16:04
Speaker
faith in his shofu or master lee whom he describes as a brilliant extemporaneous speaker I don't have a problem with it, he says of Falun Gong in the video, unless you're a kid being brought up into it, in which case somebody should intervene a little bit.
01:16:19
Speaker
What about kids who are being brought up in a white nationalist compound with chemical toilets? Around this period in Orwell's life, before his conversion to Christianity, he began streaming sex videos with his ex-wife, Caitlin Smith, on a porn website called Chatterbait.
01:16:37
Speaker
No way. What are we... what Who is this? Like, what are...
01:16:44
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Quote, it was something I was very ashamed
Nihilism and Atheism
01:16:46
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of. I was a nihilist at the time. I was not Christian. Didn't really believe in traditional values or any values at all, he says, explaining his interest in the forthright debating style of the new atheists, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens, the four horsemen who were popular with young men on YouTube about a decade ago.
Orwell's Controversial Ventures
01:17:07
Speaker
Was it Orwell's idea to start streaming porn for paid subscribers or Smiths? I don't want to get into it exactly how it all started, he says. This is what I'm saying, dude. This guy has such a weird back-and-forth history. like He's tried a lot of different things before deciding white nationalism was like the key forward and he was going to go build like the world's worst cabinet.
01:17:31
Speaker
it's it's also um It's also weird to just be like, I don't want to get into that. Like, you're writing this, dude. Like, if you're going to bring something up and open up with that can of worms, you kind of either don't get into it or get into it.
01:17:47
Speaker
Well, okay, so here's another weird portion of this. So that was his ex-wife, Smith. That's her last name. Orwell and Smith have four children together, ranging in age from two to eight.
01:18:00
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Although they are now divorced, she has followed her ex-husband to rural Arkansas and lives at return to the land. Return to the land, my mistake. She has now married a fellow white nationalist with whom she is expecting another child. Orwell also has a new partner and hopes to have more children.
01:18:17
Speaker
Cool. Yeah. well So what's wrong with that lady? That's a very strange thing to do. You got a divorce? but you followed your husband across your ex-husband across the country to live in a, in a, a shanty town he's building in Arkansas mountains. Yeah.
01:18:36
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It's about the kids, man. Yeah. It's just very important. They have a ah good father figure. Yeah. They have, they, it's important to them to co-parent well, you know, One of the stated aims of Return to the Land is to, quote, facilitate media activities to promote our movement.
01:18:52
Speaker
But that commitment appears to be waning. Orwell says they are on edge. I hope so you don't have electricity. Yeah, no joke.
01:19:02
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Orwell says they are on edge after a French journalist tried to film inside one of the homes and has warned the settlers of our presence. In another incident involving a New York Times reporter, Orwell hastily hid a copy of Mein Kampf just as it was about to be photographed.
01:19:19
Speaker
At one point on our walk, Peter Cezier, the co-founder of Return to the Land, once arrested in Ecuador for stabbing a miner, drives past and waves but does not stop. What?
01:19:32
Speaker
What did what did he like facial recognition? How did he, what? I don't know. And it's minor as in like, uh, you know, hi ho.
01:19:43
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That kind of minor. Not a child.
01:19:49
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Coal miner. The only reason... I probably deserved it. He probably coughed some black smoke on it. smoke on You got my white tunic dirty.
01:20:06
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It is funny, like, because this guy is like, people like this are such pick me losers, you know, like, oh yeah, just so desperate for attention. But like, he's he's like, so reluctant to talk to the media, you know, eventually he leads me to a couple who are putting. Oh, wait, no, no, no. The only reason Orwell has agreed to meet me, he says, is that he is just three years to sell his vision.
01:20:31
Speaker
He believes a Democrat will enter the White House in twenty twenty eight. at Which, here again, everybody believes that. Yeah, yeah. Not exactly the foresight that... he yeah He doesn't have the foresight that he thinks he does.
01:20:48
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At which point, Washington will try to close down his community, and he will no longer be able to convert people to segregationism.
Agriculture Missteps
01:20:56
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what Like, it's on their radar. know what if if Washington knows about this guy, it's because this one dude wrote an article on him.
01:21:04
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Yeah, it's a necessary evil, he says, of his engagement with the press. Yeah, like, dude, there's half this colony will be dead dead of scurvy by that point. Like, the the life expectancy for people living in, you know, return to the land is is not high. it's He's returned to, like, the life expectancy of, like, ah you know...
01:21:30
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17th century Europeans. Yeah. Something tells me polio or scurvy will get them first. I mean, polio or like measles will get them first. Yeah. He's not a fan of vaccinations as you might. I can't imagine he is.
01:21:44
Speaker
Eventually he leads me to a couple who are putting the finishing touches on their, to their house. He introduces Scott Thomas, 38 and his wife, Jennifer, 33. They are the family whose privacy was allegedly violated by the French journalist.
01:22:00
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Originally from Missouri, they have six children, all of whom are homeschooled. The field next to their house is to be planted with wheat, although nothing is there now apart from a starlight Starlink satellite dish.
01:22:12
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ah Lacking curtains, the windows have pieces of black fabric hung across them. So what what are the chances of these people successfully growing food?
01:22:23
Speaker
i I'm wondering if they brought in anybody who actually knows how. No. This is a bunch of this is a bunch of like jilted jerk-offs from the city.
Ethics of Financial Incentives
01:22:34
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it's a I think they've all bought it in this idea that if they all just go outside and look at the fields and pray every day, the the the wheat that they need will grow, and that if they pray hard enough afterwards, it'll automatically just harvest itself.
01:22:50
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Yeah, it it is weird, too, that like it doesn't seem like Christian, like Christianity is a piece of it, but it's not a real central part of the whole. It never is. That's what's crazy. But they don't even say that it is.
01:23:04
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That's what's kind of weird. about it It just goes part and parcel with white nationalism. You know that it's not it's just a vehicle. It's not a it's not a it's not the crux of anything. It's just like a borrowed language to support their agenda.
01:23:20
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That's all. Yeah. Yeah. there's ah There's a lot. You can really sense the joy in some of this stuff. Like this little family is really, ah you know, it's like, a you know, a portrait of Americana.
01:23:35
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Scott is the man who came up with the idea to reward Return to the Land families with a thousand dollar bonus for every child that is born. a thousand bucks dude nice it sounds like socialism it does yeah they're looking they're kind of like uh what they're they're welfare queens just pumping out babies for the dollars right isn't that what they like to say we need it i don't it's so funny too because like based on where they are where do they spend their money Dollar general.
01:24:04
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That's the only thing that exists in these places is dollar general. I hate it. I got this thousand dollars, but like, I don't know if I know you haven't had a kid, but I can tell you that I'll take a thousand dollars, but it's not, it's not a magic wand. It's not going to make me have seven more. That's for sure.
01:24:21
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No. ah Europeans have as a whole have a very low birth rate. He says it's kind of an incentive. We have quite a bit of money in that account waiting for more babies. Yeah.
Community Isolationism
01:24:32
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Scott reveals his mother has also been brought to Arkansas. Where'd that money come from? I don't know. They must have a little seed money. o Spreading this seed.
01:24:44
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Stashed away in some offshore. Yeah. His mother's working at Walmart, so she was unavailable for an interview, by the way. I asked Jennifer. She has to work 80 hours a week. Otherwise, they cut her health care. Dude, it's probably she's funding the baby scholarships. She's greeting at Walmart right now to to to incentivize another baby. It's not actually $1,000. It's a $1,000 credit that can be turned in for stolen baby formula from Walmart. Yeah.
01:25:17
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I asked Jennifer if the $1,000 payment was actually her idea. No, that was all him, she says. Yeah, give you gotta to give him the credit. She hates this. Dude, she hates this. Would she like to have more children?
01:25:32
Speaker
She turns around, grimaces, and says, if it happens, it happens. That just means she's being bred, dude. That means birth control illegal. That means he gets it when he wants it. That is so gross. She hates Scott.
01:25:47
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She hates Scott.
01:25:51
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I asked Scott. Oh, yeah. Their son, Fergus.
01:26:00
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toddles into the November sunshine wearing a t-shirt advertising Orania, a whites-only Afrikaner town in South Africa, which Orwell and Scott recently visited.
01:26:11
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Of course they did. That's unreal, dude. Did you know there were jerk-offs in other parts of the world? Fergus's sister, Ada, seven. just like us, they have but they have fun accents.
01:26:28
Speaker
if They have eight children named Fergus, too. Ada, seven, interrupts her Sunday painting to come and greet the guests, too, as ada and Jennifer- What is she painting? hide Oh, I don't know, probably a noose.
01:26:42
Speaker
Yeah. She's painting hate crimes. she She's painting a noose and just kneeling before that, praying that that becomes real too, just like the crops. as Ada and Jennifer retreat inside, the talk turns to the persecution of white people in South Africa and the dangers of vaccination.
01:27:06
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It to show up eventually. Now here, this is my favorite character in this. I wish we got more from him, but I could. Dude, this guy, I want to show you his picture before we read it about him.
01:27:18
Speaker
Oh, man, where to go, where to go, where to go? Is that invisible? Yep. This guy is great. Dressed like a medieval guild worker in a questionable period drama in a homemade linen shirt with a knife attached to his belt. Patrick shrub 37 from Detroit. He's our conversation.
01:27:41
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And dude, you can just imagine this guy walking like sauntering up and inserting himself in the conversation and all the other like ah white settlers just going, God,
01:27:52
Speaker
dude He looks like um he looks like someone who would just have like a just a quick like five minute role in like God in a Godzilla remake as a scientist.
01:28:08
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Yeah. Yeah. In a dirt dude. This man is in filthy stained clothing that he obviously has stitched together himself. Like just like a weird or like a weird paleontologist in Jurassic Park that shows up just to tell you a fact that will show up. That'll be important later in the movie.
01:28:28
Speaker
Yeah. He's got the he's got the air of somebody who like if this hadn't become his thing, like he might show up on like my strange addiction, like having sex with like his washing machine or something like that.
01:28:44
Speaker
I just like you can just sense that like when Patrick comes walking up, everybody goes, oh, my God, what now? He seems so annoying.
01:28:55
Speaker
He left Detroit, he says, due to crime and talks about hearing gunshots rather than fireworks on New Year's Eve. Yeah, he's Dr. Well, actually. Yeah. Yeah.
01:29:06
Speaker
ah ah Let me tell you, I'll tell you this. When I used to live in Detroit, I'd hear gunshots all the time. Some people, you know, some people shoot off fireworks on on New Year's Eve. I'd hear gunshots. that's That's where I lived.
01:29:20
Speaker
Just like everybody works with this guy. yeah Yeah. Meanwhile, he's just out like in the outskirts. He's in like he he says he's from Detroit, but he's like it's like if you people who say they're from Boston, but they're from like Shrewsbury. Yeah. Just like 40 minutes west. And it's like Yuppieville. You know, it's not really the thing, but you just claim it because people in rural wherever the fuck you are don't actually know the geography.
01:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, like if you live within a five minute drive of one of those big quadruplex like ah Michael's Ross Home Goods Five Below, like you're not in the ghetto and you're not in the city. Like you're a suburb, you're a suburb dweller.
01:30:07
Speaker
That's it. We don't want to hear your war stories. ah He also left because he wants to find a like-minded wife and start a family. Three couples have got together at return to the land.
01:30:20
Speaker
We don't get a lot of single women. I bet we find this a Christian dating advice. Oh, yeah. This guy has been on a lot of dating sites. I bet you a lot of women have been subjected to a very annoying first date with this man. ah We don't get a lot of single women coming to join, Orwell says. It's more single men and families. The ones who do show up are pretty brave, Shrub says. I think it's going to be raiding parties into Jonesboro.
01:30:45
Speaker
I like a single men and families, but he leaves out the fact that the families were dragged there by their stupid white husband who just has this goofy ass pipe dream.
Spreading Conspiracy Theories
01:30:55
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Yeah. Families where the wife has not gotten up the nerve or is not willing to put up with the inconvenience yet of getting a divorce. Yeah, exactly.
01:31:05
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Move back home, ladies. ah I do like the idea, like his his thoughts on dating is like, I think it's going to be raiding parties into Jonesboro.
01:31:16
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It's like, did you are you sure you heard that correctly? Was it raiding that he said? You know? Raiding as in number raiding? Raiding as in like marauders raiding a settlement.
01:31:29
Speaker
Jesus. Okay, dude. Raiding as in one one letter away from raping. Yeah. It feels like an appropriate time to ask Jennifer for her views on the community's politics. Might that be possible? Scott goes inside to ask his wife whether she would be willing to speak and returns shaking his head. Orwell says neither his current partner nor his ex-wife are available for an interview either.
01:31:54
Speaker
Because they're all thinking about their escape already. Yeah. Like they're already thinking about what their next life move is going to be. And they don't want to have like an interview with the times talking about white nationalism on their record, you know, yeah ah protect the brand.
01:32:14
Speaker
ah Orwell does not live at return of the land because his house is unbuilt. So he doesn't even live there. And where does he live and what does this house look like? Because I wouldn't be surprised if it's nicer than everybody else's.
01:32:28
Speaker
He says he has a place nearby, but he does have an office on site. Not dissimilar to a shipping container, the exterior of his prefabricated hut looks like the office of a construction site manager.
01:32:41
Speaker
From the outside, you might expect to find fluorescent jackets hung up on the back of the door. Inside, as if it it has been styled as a library with jarringly old-fashioned furniture. On an antique desk at or Orwell's Cameras, lights, and microphone for YouTube streaming, he has positioned bookshelves with copies of Plato, Aristotle, and Deleuze, and guitar... i'm not i don't I'm not smart enough to read books, so I don't know how to say their names.
01:33:10
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You have to listen to them. There is also a replica of a Trojan helmet and the board game Risk. Did I just... well i made a ah I made a joke about playing Lord the Rings Risk like 30 minutes ago. You nailed it. That's what these people do, dude. I'm not joking.
01:33:29
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Of course he's a YouTube streamer. it's just Do we live in hell? Is there a worse time to be alive? like I would rather in the bubonic plague than right now.
01:33:43
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Some anomalies stand out, including the works of Oscar Wilde. Yeah, I really like Oscar Wilde, actually, Orwell says. I understand he wasn't, like, trad, but he is very witty.
01:33:56
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Trad. ah ask if he knows Wilde was gay. Yes. that was so That he was in prison for being gay. Yes. how Do you think he got rid of that book afterwards?
01:34:08
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He was like, yeah, he did. was waiting for it Yeah, he was in prison and he got what he deserved. It doesn't mean everything he said was wrong. I know he was gay. It's relatable.
01:34:22
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When I pick up a copy of a book arguing the pyramids of Giza were not built by the ancient Egyptian, Orwal launches into a confusing lecture on Atlantis, which he believes was inhabited tens of thousands of years ago by a civilization of blue-eyed superhumans.
01:34:39
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If the Atlanteans were there on the Azores, they came from from somewhere, he says. Logically. We can trace which which actual population made it. In my opinion, I've done that.
01:34:51
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I've found the genetic cluster. They would have had darker skin than us. Darker hair, darker skin tone, probably blue eyes. does he did he mainly read does he Did he read this mainly in books?
01:35:05
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A lot of this ancient history stuff I've studied online, he says. I read a lot of papers. Scientific papers. Right, right.
01:35:16
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I wonder if any of my family members watch this guy's YouTube channel. Yeah. He has a residency with BitChute. Dude, he probably does. He's doing Morgan & Morgan ad reads on BitChute between his Atlantis videos.
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01:35:37
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I love Atlantis. It's like when people get into that in that way where it's like these people had to come from somewhere. It's like, yeah, but only if Atlantis is real. like you're It's a non-starter, dude. You're operating under the assumption that It was real.
01:35:54
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And that's kind of the problem. Hey, look here. Hey, let's get down to brass tacks. Okay. If the Atlanteans were in the Azores, they had to come from somewhere.
01:36:06
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It's like, yeah okay. All right. That's the same argument they have for God. Yeah, it's... I i have a... There's certain things like... Because I like... I do subscribe to some conspiracy theories. I enjoy hearing about some of them.
01:36:23
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I don't enjoy hearing about Atlantis or aliens. I don't care. I just don't... It doesn't scratch an itch for me anywhere there. Aliens building the pyramids. I was just talking to someone today about how I don't... It's hard to say like i'm not a at this point in history to say, I'm not a conspiracy theorist because that's always followed by a, but because we live in a conspiracy, like everything is awful. Like Epstein files, that's a conspiracy, right? This is all we live in so many current conspiracies that are unraveling, but there's still like an idea of what it means when you say a conspiracy theorist or conspiracy theory. And over time, those don't include things like nine 11 or like, uh,
01:37:09
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Whatever, there's plenty of things that we can you could get into, but like... I was saying that like no matter what, like I i find them. i Conspiracy theory conversations are only as interesting as the people involved in them and and in the degree to which you like them. 100%. Because you could sit around with people you love talking about conspiracy theories and the second that one guy shows up, you go, well, that ruined it. Like it's not fun.
01:37:36
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Yeah, that guy. When Shrub shows up, you got to call it quits. Yeah. There's just so many people who are like, well, actually, and you just like get into it and you go, look, you're going to get too passionate about this and you're going to get angry when people don't agree with you. And it's kind of, and then you're going to want to show me YouTube videos that I don't want to sit through and watch. Like they're just, there's a degree to which people can get in. Like you can have those conversations and not even buy into it, but yeah,
01:38:05
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Having those conversations with the wrong people, you go, I'm immediately anxious and wish I was dead. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and like somebody somebody sending you a conspiracy video that you have no interest in is just, that's like it's like per it's like having to spend a day in purgatory. And they're always over an hour long.
01:38:26
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Oh yeah, they're super long. They're like, hey, watch this video when you get a chance. And you go, I can assure you I don't have a chance to watch this hour and 45 minute Slogfest. I try sometimes like somebody somebody in my life sends me one and I'm like, I should at least try to watch it, I guess.
01:38:47
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And oh my God, dude, it's so hard to look like, because they all come from the same way. Like they have to be a degree, like there's a certain degree of sensationalism that they have to include or nobody would watch them. Right. So like the ones that you get are always ones that like within the first 10 minutes, you've identified like 16 premises that they just like said, you know, as background yeah information that you're like, well, that's not true. Like, I don't, right I don't buy that, you know?
01:39:17
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And it's always like it always comes from the perspective of like, here's the things they don't want you to know. And then they tell you 15 made up things like you said. and it's like, who's they like this isn't it's not real.
01:39:32
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So there's no one who's trying to make you not know something that's not like no one's going out of their way for this. Just because it's not on CNN doesn't mean they're not trying to tell you the truth. It means you've made this entire thing up.
01:39:46
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Yeah. Yeah, like the fact that they didn't address your theories on like how there's massive chambers full of batteries beneath the pyramids. Like they're not afraid to talk about it.
01:39:59
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yeah There's just nothing to say. you know So, yeah, I mean, it really ah that's really I mean, it's that's about it here. The rest of it is just him like pawing around like you know, ah white nationalist beliefs and stuff.
01:40:19
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These guys also sometimes kind of seem like they don't have a lot of their ideas like clearly mapped out, you know? Right. It's all just in their head. It's all just like their intuition of how they feel about something, which goes back to the Nick Fuentes shit where it's like,
01:40:36
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That's why they consistently contradict themselves. Like that's not, it's not a unified ethos or plan or agenda idea. Like there's nothing there. It's just like, when you say words, here's how I feel about them.
01:40:50
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And that's not always going to line up with how I responded previously. Yeah. Yeah. They, they did ask some people in the nearest town. So the nearest town is Raven Arkansas.
01:41:02
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um The white owners of the local petrol station say they are aware of Orwell's community, but they have not been told he is building a whites-only settlement. When the concept is explained to them, they they fear they are being accused of something.
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I'm not racist, says Jason, 48. My grandbabies are black. Jason's mixed-race grandchildren often come and stay in Ravenden. Is he comfortable with white nationalists living in such close proximity? As long as they leave me alone, I'll leave them alone, he says. It is a singularly American response. It's their land. They bought it.
01:41:36
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which is kind of like, what do you want? You need to impugn the people in the, in the surrounding. They did they didn't pick this California douche bag to come by land in their area. What could they do? What do you want them to do? You want them to go sit out there and protest, like hold a sign up or something like, shut up. don think like, what I don't, you might not notice this, uh, from your little like high and mighty air conditioned office, but like, it's not easy to just move somewhere. You can't just leave places.
01:42:06
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If I could, I wouldn't live in Massachusetts anymore. i You think I'm happy here? I'm cold as shit and I don't... like i don't every Every winter i go, oh, now I have to prepare for six months of being chronically unhappy. Like, this is stupid.
01:42:23
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Yeah, there are other reasons why you don't just leave places. It's like asking like are you acting like it's somehow like an indication of their lack of character that they haven't like, you know, picked up their pitchforks and set their little settlement on fire is just right. So irritating to me. it's Yeah. Shut up and go home like.
01:42:45
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What do you want? Like they they they fear they're being accused of something. I'm not racist. I have black grandchildren like like that somehow some sort of like, you know, cover story for who they really are.
01:42:58
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No, he's right probably not like maybe he is in your like college circles because he whatever, I don't know, votes Republican or something. But like, I don't know. Because he said, I'm not racist. Like he said, like getting being interviewed by a guy like that about a place like he's talk like the piece is about. You're like, he probably does feel like he's being come at, you know?
01:43:21
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Like,
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01:43:22
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yeah. And he wants to he's drawing line in the sand and being like, I'm not that I'm I'm not that type of a person. Like, I don't write I don't find that ah to be a good thing, but it's not enough for her because, you know, they didn't storm the castle or whatever. It's just.
01:43:41
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Yeah. Shut up and go home. And what do we, I mean, what where, where is this article ah published in? The times. Damn. The times. I don't know where this is out of, if it's a geographical thing or um it's written by a George grills says he's from Arkansas.
01:44:04
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no guy George Grills is Washington correspondent for the Times. Before moving to the U.S., he reported from Israel, the West Bank, and Ukraine. He once managed to write a story about the Alland Islands.
01:44:16
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I don't even know what that is. i I just don't appreciate the writing. I don't think it's a little sloppy to me. It's obviously, there's a narrative to it, like trying to create the...
01:44:29
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create the you know, obviously good journalism, you want to create like a story. um i don't, I don't know. It just feels sloppy. None of this is like working for me. I mean, it's not, I'm not,
01:44:42
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This place sucks. Yeah, I'm on board. I just am like, what do we... I don't know. I don't care. I guess there's too much to care about. Yeah. There's too many things to care about than something... like It's consequential for the people around, but like even if you got like the entire world to know about it, it's not going to do anything. like and Look, you're just... not Not that all journalism is for the sake of creating some massive change. to convey information, beat make be interesting.
01:45:13
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People read it and they go, oh, wow, that's really interesting. like that It's for the and the same reason you read articles or stories about anything. like you just I get it. i'm not I'm not harping on the concept of like, everything i'm not saying everything you have to write needs to impact change or be meaningful in that way like but people listen to stories about weird places all the time it's entertainment more than journalism though i think when you get into this category and i think the way that it's written is trying to like muster that up in a way that i go i don't i i don't care i'm not here for this form of entertainment like other people are I'm not saying don't write it if it's paying your bills. Cool.
01:45:54
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But yeah, I just like looking through his other articles here and he's written like it looks like a lot of like ah we need to be ready for war with Russia crap. Oh, OK. Well, that didn't age well.
01:46:08
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No, I mean, he wrote these recently, so. I don't know. I don't have enough here to really know but what his thoughts on it are, but there's just a lot of stuff about like war with Russia.
01:46:19
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Maybe you write about war with Venezuela. That's a little bit more ah impactful and likely. And I was trying to see if I could find something about Israel in the West Bank, because if he was reporting from there, it would be very interesting to see what sort of spin he has on that, you know?
01:46:40
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But, Yeah, I don't know. I'll tell you this. Okay. One, two things. One, these guys are douchebags and this is not going to catch on.
01:46:52
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No. This is not a successful project. This will be gone in two years. And it I don't even know if it's really supposed to be. This guy is sitting on money. he Orwell's walking away from this rich, and everyone else is getting fucked. That's my theory.
01:47:08
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I think this guy's a small-timer huckster. So we'll see. But I mean i think this this just eventually just fades out, and he moves on to the next grift. you know Yeah, yeah, probably. The second thing is is I've been to a lot of Arkansas.
01:47:25
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And I really like parts of Arkansas. I've been to some parts of Arkansas that are much scarier than this. and there are parts of Arkansas that I feel like if I was a black person, I would be much more afraid of than than these people. you know, that's one of the last places I heard, ah you know, ah a hard R-N word.
01:47:51
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Yeah. It was pretty rough. They're holding that out out there? Oh, it was it was in the first three minutes of me meeting this guy at the place where he worked.
01:48:02
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Which, damn, dude, that and that's that shows you... That tells you a lot about what the cultural and social understandings are of the people around them. You know, this guy was making a statement, I think. I mean, because it happened happened so quickly.
01:48:18
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Like, I don't know what he thought I would. I mean, i don't know if he thought I was like some, you know, some highfalutin whatever from the city that was coming there to see, you know, rural Arkansas or whatever. and He was going to tell me how it was. But yeah, yeah dude, he dropped it right out the gates. and i was like, oh, God. Can we go, can we get out of here?
01:48:39
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Parts of Arkansas are pretty scary. Parts of East Texas are pretty scary. ah I haven't been to much Mississippi or Louisiana, but I imagine there's those little enclaves as well.
01:48:51
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so Yeah, they're, they're few and far between, but they're there. Maybe not as few and as you'd like, but there.
01:49:05
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Well, um yeah. So if you are interested, you know, in Mr. Orwell's project, which he kind of has the look of, a you know, maybe like a family tree that doesn't fork a whole lot. Like there was a lot of cousin marriage in there. Yeah.
01:49:24
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But yeah, I mean, you just look up Return to the Land. I am going to find his YouTube channel and I want to want to hear some of his ramblings, see what he's up to. Yeah, I'm sure you could pull some good clips.
01:49:35
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Yeah, so. Anywho, thanks everybody for listening and we'll see you next time.