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Ep. 253 – Scumbag Son of a Sanctimonious Sex Pest
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This week, we’re taking a look at a twisted ongoing story out of Indianapolis surrounding a megachurch called Life Church. When the son of prominent pastor Nathan Peternel with close personal ties to Lt. Governor Micah Beckwith is arrested for distributing CSAM, it raised more than a few eyebrows. As it turns out, Jonathan Peternel isn’t the only one with skeletons in his closet… The domino effect has embroiled the whole family in a massive scandal that may shake up more than just church leadership. This is a wild story that is far from over, and we hope that these pricks get what’s coming to them!
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Introduction and Life Updates
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like Why am I such a pervert? I fap so hard that my shaft hurts.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. i'm Sam. I'm Casey. And man, Casey, I feel like every time we get back on this, I have a new life complaint. So here we go.
00:00:43
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i Went to a show last... Well, this is what's funny. is I tried to go to a show a couple weeks ago, the Greyhaven show, and i I talked about how I had to leave ah before it to go to the hospital with my son. um Brief update on that.
00:01:02
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Things are seemingly fine. um He still has the the little spastic arm movements at times, but... It's better. Uh, so, you know, if there was a, uh, like a neurological condition, they wouldn't, that wouldn't just kind of like make its own improvements. Um, so it was the Holy ghost.
00:01:21
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Yeah. Holy ghost movement, uh, came into his body, a body, his own size, same size. And he, we're going to schedule a followup with neurology.
Concert Mishap and Car Troubles
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Uh,
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Anyway, we have one scheduled, but it's just, I'm not, I'm not super worried at this point. So good news. Um, so then the next week I'm going to a show, the home team, phenomenal show, had the time of my life. I fucking love that band in general.
00:01:46
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Um, they have, uh, three LPs in my opinion, zero misses. There isn't one skip on any of their albums for me. Um, Just, I think the way they constructed the show is great. The visuals for it was really well done. Just the pet rat song, people? No, no, that's Hot Mulligan. And oh that's a miss. The pet rat song is a miss, as I've gotten to a fight with Jeremiah about. But...
00:02:12
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um Yeah, Home Team, fucking killing it. Love them. One of my favorite shows I've been to in a while. It's nice this year. I caught... that I mean, Home Team and Bill Murray are the two bands I listen to the most. was able to catch them this year.
00:02:26
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That was really exciting for me. So... um I leave the show, go to my car, and ah as I'm walking towards... I park on the street. I always park on the street Worcester. That's kind of what you do. There's a couple of garages, but usually it's like 20 bucks and ah you know I should, there's ah a cheaper garage that's farther away. Should have parked there, but I was like, dope. Here's a spot park here. Never had an issue until last Saturday. I, um, the whole front end was completely smashed the fuck in. It was like my, my bumper, ah my hood, the hood of my car is a V. Um, it's like, I think a truck rolled back into it and just squished the whole front of it up. um I can't believe it didn't push the car back.
00:03:10
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and hit like the car behind it or something. um i had but I always put my e-brake on in general. um It's just a habit. So that's probably why. But um anyway, I was like, I looked like a so ah psychopath. And I'm just like looking at it. I was just like throwing my hands up over my head. I'm like, no, are you fucking kidding me? Like just kind of like losing
Financial Struggles and Broader Economic Issues
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it a little bit. And then I realized that the dude who was parked, the car that was parked behind me, there was a dude just sitting in the car watching me. the whole time
00:03:46
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I thought it was weird that he didn't ask, Hey, is everything good? Um, no one. Yeah. People walking by, I heard some people walk by like, hear him go like, Oh shit, that sucks. You know? But like, it's, it's weird. No one was like, no one acknowledges that you are a full fledged human being in that moment and just offer sympathy in any sorts. And I've made me wonder if I would have too, if I would have just kept walking. I did look a little crazy. Um, but, uh, so I called the police to do a police report. Um, and I, I'm sitting in my car and I look up and there's a camera pointing at my car.
00:04:22
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Like, I'm like, that's great news. Like, uh, so, I pointed out to the cop. Well, first of all, the cop shows up. He goes, Hey man, how's it going? How's your night? And he doesn't even use words to respond to me. He just shrugs his shoulders and like follows me like, okay, off to a great start. I can tell you don't give a single fuck about this at all. Like,
00:04:46
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Uh, and so was like, so yeah, here's what happened. There's a camera. Um, there was a car, a couple cars up that was tall and had a part of it smashed in the back. And I was like, I wonder if they hit my car and then just moved up the street a little bit, but they, I can't, they probably would have taken off. first as the kid move I know that would have been crazy convenient. Um,
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But ah yeah, so I point out to the camera of the cop and he's like, yeah, I don't I mean, I don't even know who owns this building. I was like yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah, why would you? Yeah, I don't I didn't expect you to know who owns every building in Worcester. I just thought that maybe since there's a camera pointing at my car, that would be ah helpful for you guys to figure out who did this.
00:05:30
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Is this Officer Bongino? yeah He's just Yeah, he just doesn't care I'm like, so do you think people will be able to find out? like He's like, yeah, I don't know i guess i mean I know we'll try to figure it out But I don't know I don't know who owns the building i'm just like so why don't you put The car hit itself okay if if you Think about it this way If there was a chance That another motorist Ran into your car Don't you think that I'd be all over that?
00:06:01
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The car hit itself. i i I was even like, I bet I could do, I bet I could figure this out myself. I bet I could have just, it's public record who owns a building, I'd imagine. like I don't think you need even a special cop hat and badge to figure that shit out. I think you can just learn that through the computer. Yeah.
00:06:23
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Probably, yeah. I mean, you could go figure out who owns the building and just be like, hey, you want to help me kill this guy and establish a motive? At this point, it's been over a week. I'm sure those tapes record over themselves every 48 hours.
00:06:37
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So, you know, that's real. Well, the ones in prisons do. We know that. Really? Yeah. So real low sense of urgency. You know, it's a 2011 civic with over 200,000 miles on it.
00:06:49
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I don't have good coverage because why would I like, that's just not what you do at that point. So, uh, I have a thousand dollar deductible. Um, and my insurance company basically was like, yeah, it's totaled. And I'm like,
00:07:03
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All right. So i don't know. It's super, super fucking annoying. Cause I, I really, you know, like I was saying, like know last time we were recording, uh, we skipped last week. So, um, do the holiday, but I was just like, I got student loan payments coming in. They're higher than I expected.
00:07:20
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i don't really want a $200 car payment on top of that. So, um, I found a place that'll just bang everything out and hopefully it'll be fine for, A reasonable amount of money.
00:07:32
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and I mean, I don't know. It's dude. It's just, I feel like I can't go places anymore. I don't know why I leave my house. It's just like not even fun to go anywhere.
00:07:45
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Oh, I got a perfect sound clip for the guy who ran into your car. Bomb you. Bomb you. Kill you. Kill you.
00:07:56
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Amen. Just a message. ah That sucks, dude. Yep. It's a bummer. mars are Cars are such ah a, it's such a lose-lose situation with cars right now because they're so expensive to buy. They're so expensive to own.
00:08:12
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It's like everybody's first or second largest investment in their life. And they just naturally don't hold up very well over time. I mean, yeah. And that like ah everything I'm looking at, I'm like, It's between $18,000 and $20,000 for something with 80,000 miles that's around like a 2018, you know?
00:08:32
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Yeah. Between 2018 and 2020. Like, that's not any... Time to start looking at brakes and suspension and tires and all of that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, it's kind of it's just du it's a shithole out there um when it comes to buying cars. Yeah.
00:08:49
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I don't know. I don't know. um I'm really tired. Like I already, the back bumpers cracked. The side of my car is all smashed up. Like the thing looks like absolute garbage. And now I'm going to have like a a mismatched hood placed on it. I'm not paying for paint. I'm not doing, it's not going to be fancy. It's just, I, it's embarrassing.
00:09:10
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My wife's like, I'm never going to drive your car anywhere. i'm like i I get that. i don't want i've i I don't like the vibe I give off when I'm behind the wheel of that thing.
00:09:22
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it's like you're It's like you're driving a car to work at the school. That ah that is a perfect like allegory for the ah the education system. It really is.
00:09:33
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And it's so funny. like I'm always shocked like when I see people with like with nice cars at who work at a school. I'm like, where'd you get that?
00:09:44
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Yeah. And EAs or teachers aides, whatever, everyone, every state calls them something different. Paris, is whatever. um They notoriously don't get paid well anywhere across the country.
00:09:58
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And a couple of them roll up in like a nice new, like a nice new Bronco. That's got like a, not even just a solid color. Like I get the, get that, like the stripes along the side. It looks cool. Like,
00:10:11
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And I'm like, I know you make $19 an hour, $20 an hour. That's how you getting that.
00:10:21
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Yeah, I know. It's it's one of those things, too, where it's like, you know, everybody's got something that they blow money on. Right. But like for sure. I don't know. It's just some of those vehicles like that's such an impractical vehicle to own. If like you have to be economical about how you drive and what you drive and all this stuff. Yeah, for sure. It's fine. Do whatever you want. It's just, I don't know.
00:10:44
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I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of people are looking at- Having much of your free money tied up in ah in a vehicle is tough. Like if you're looking at $300, like payment versus cars.
00:10:58
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people routinely routinely have twelve to fifteen hundred dollars payments on cars That actually blows my mind. I can't like a friend of mine had a kid and he's looking at like, um, I forget what he was looking at, but it's just like SUV. Uh, is it Toyota?
00:11:17
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Oh yeah. Like a four runner. Not quite the four runner. And there's something maybe a little small rav four. Okay. Maybe it's a four runner. I don't know. Either way. He's like, yeah, I'm just trying to keep my car payment under $600 month. And I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, that's in and that's a lot of money just to be able to, like, get places.
00:11:37
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That seemed like a lot to me. Like, just to, I don't know, man. It's, it's ah that industry is falling apart. I don't know. I mean, what industry isn't? We're bottoming out as a country. We're an Asian in decline.
Cynicism Towards U.S. Foreign Policy
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It's...
00:11:50
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I think millennials are the like the like boomers. they they're like um They are – what's the word I'm looking for? ah They like feign bitterness, right? Like they are.
00:12:02
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And for whatever reason, they act like they're the most angry about everything. And you're just like, shut the fuck up. Like you – i don't I get that you've watched things go down, but at least you have like, ah most of them have like equity in like retirement coming their way. And then it's like, I think i feel like millennials though are the most like passionately angry and maybe the generation right below us, but it's like,
00:12:28
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Because the generations after that all just grew up in a shithole world. They're like, this is all they know. They just grow up in a world where you know like that college is a gamble. in like you kind of just like so it's like ah It's like a built-in trauma. You're just like already numb to it. right we We had everything.
00:12:46
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we We grew up like everything was looking good. We were promised the fucking moon going to college and shit. We had it like... We knew we were walking into like a good life. And then to have the rug pulled out from under you is such a bummer, dude. I think it makes, that's why i think, ah I don't know.
00:13:04
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Sometime around 2001.
00:13:10
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Oh, the repercussions of our foreign adventures just, they just never seem to, to, to wind down. It's like every gift that keeps on giving.
00:13:21
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Every year you get three new examples of why that was such a stupid idea to go to go into Afghanistan or Iraq and destabilize it.
00:13:32
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Right. Imagine learning from our mistakes there, though. Yeah, be so we're we're fully prepared to do the exact same thing. Like it didn't work in Afghanistan, but maybe Venezuela.
00:13:45
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Yeah. Maybe they're hungry for freedom. They love freedom. Who doesn't, dude? And we can promise it to
Media Narratives and Public Perception
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everyone. hey At least in 2001, the idea of us selling freedom made a little more sense. Like it was hogwash, but like we had that the veneer of freedom here. You know, it was things weren't looking that bad.
00:14:06
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And, ah you know, it, but now, now the idea of us like, of us just like throwing around peace for everybody, like, yeah, we can promise you all this stuff is hilarious, especially in the wake of, um what was it? There was just a UN, um a UN n meeting on,
00:14:30
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I got it right here. The UN n wanted to make food a human right, but the only two countries that voted against it out of 186 was Israel and the United States.
00:14:41
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But don't worry. We're here to offer you peace and freedom. I wonder who steered that decision. Who would be invested in saying that food is not a human right criminal to ah to deny to people?
00:14:59
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So, anyway, we've got a lot to get into. Yeah, we were talking before we started the podcast about the the random act of violence in in Washington, D.C. over the holidays.
00:15:14
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Unpredictable. Who could have seen this coming? Dude, one of these crazy jihadist Muslim dudes that we've been we've been warned about forever, okay? Yeah.
00:15:25
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And here, our chickens have come home to roost. you know This guy, i mean, he was probably like in the mosque that morning. And then just decided like, today's the day, Allahu Akbar, I'm killing a bunch of dudes. Walks up and shoots two National Guard people who shouldn't be there.
00:15:45
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Shouldn't be there in the first place. Why are they on the street? Why are we, wait they have no police authority. There's no reason for them to be on the street whatsoever. It's pageantry. It's pageantry.
00:15:57
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That's it. Yeah. Well, we're going to clean up the city. We're going to have a bunch of soldiers stand around and act like traffic cones. You know, which you just take you just take people who who have no authority to do anything in the situation that they're put in just standing around like sitting ducks waiting to be picked off by a disgruntled person of some sort. And this time it was one of these radical Muslims that Christy Noem has told us about.
00:16:26
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Now, if you've looked into this one iota, you' you've seen the story that's circulating about like who this guy was. I don't even know. I don't know his name.
00:16:38
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But um clearly the administration wants to to to signal that this is some sort of like jihadist attack, that that this guy might be might have been radicalized in the U.S. after Joe Biden let him into the U.S. under our, like, you know, political welcoming allies program or whatever, you know? Yeah. That, but that, that silly program that allowed ah that let, uh, where we allowed people who actively worked on behalf of the United States to come here, so they don't get marked in their own country after the job is done.
00:17:14
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That's stupid little program. Yeah. Now, when you think about a program like that, to me, I guess what comes to mind is like, oh, people who were translators for the army, you know, people who maybe helped facilitate like, you know, i don't know, food and shelter and supplies and energy and stuff like that with the local communities for the places where the National Guard was stationed or what, you know, whatever. People who had a background role in stuff. Right. That's not who this guy was.
00:17:43
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This guy is a CIA connected child soldier who joined the Kandahar Strike Force, the one of these CIA zero units. That's basically just an assassination squad.
00:17:56
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they're there to do and They're there to work off the books and do extrajudicial judicial things that we can't send a Green Beret in to do. Now, that doesn't mean that a Green Beret is not with them when they line people up against the wall and blow their heads off.
00:18:09
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But they didn't pull a trigger, so we have like ah you know ah easy denial. Plausible deniability. that's That's the word. Plausible deniability, right? I was just there. I didn't know they were going to do that. you know they They went rogue. They did their own thing.
00:18:26
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there's ah There's a book, and I haven't read it yet. I'm going to at some point here. But there's a book going around right now that recently came out called The Fort Bragg Cartel. Yes, dude. I listened to an interview with the guy who wrote it a little bit back. I think it was on Breaking Points.
00:18:42
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It's unbelievable. I think over the summer um was when um I listened to the interview. Fucking nuts. He's been on a few different shows, and he was on Breaking Points today, again, talking about this particular incident. But- You know, what what you learn through all this is that basically we were...
00:19:00
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Propping up, you know, like we've done so many times, we prop up like extremist groups and and and nefarious actors in these in these countries. And they basically get a green light to do whatever they want, as long as U.S. national interests are served, at least to some extent.
00:19:18
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And this guy's basically running like a and ah ah like possibly the world's largest drug cartel. You know, but in the poppy and heroin trade and stuff like that in Afghanistan. This kid, the the kid that did the shooting here. He was just like basically a sicario for the cartel. But also he was, you know, these groups were like co-managed by the CIA and.
00:19:41
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They have some sort of like manager managerial authority over them, but I think that i mean they probably mostly worked on behalf of this cartel. That's crazy, though, because I really thought that like Trump had a huge problem with ah you know drug dealers and smugglers. He hates drugs, dude.
00:20:00
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He hates drugs and sometimes fishermen. is Sometimes fishermen when there's the ah the alleged crossover, especially. Nothing worse than fishermen drug dealers.
00:20:12
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every It's like every every week – there's a ah new level of hypocrisy just like laid out there for all of us to look at. Like our government who's so concerned about drug cartels and stopping the flow of illegal substances and stuff like that. It's like, oh, look, when they here, they actively propped that up here. Right. They ran a a a transportation company like, you know, Continental Airlines or whatever it was that moved.
00:20:41
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moved drugs over the border during the eighties and stuff. And in this particular situation, they move this guy under this program who, I mean, he joined this group at 15 and was so like a, basically an assassin for these people.
00:20:56
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And, uh, and they brought him here and turned to, you know, he's been living in the U S since, I don't know, I forget when the, when he moved here, but, 2023, all these people's work visas expired and the Trump administration hasn't renewed them. So now it's like it's like the exact same situation you found in Iraq, like during debatification where they take all of these former military guys, hardened soldiers with combat training, and they're basically like, I know this is how you've always made a living, but not anymore.
00:21:27
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Go find something to do. You're not welcome here. And you know in meanwhile, meanwhile, what? When the past 48 hours, something like that. ah What? Trump ah pardons. ah It's a then Honduras president Juan Orlando Hernandez, who the whole issue is like notorious drug trafficker. This guy was.
00:21:53
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And like, geez, so it's like you're you're over there blowing up Venezuelan fishing boats with zero evidence that there's any drugs on board that they can. And they're fishing boats. They can't get anywhere near the U.S. with the amount of fuel that those things have, you know, even whatever you would have on board to refuel. Like they're not getting anywhere near. Venezuela is so far from the U.S. You're not getting here in like a fish and ski.
00:22:17
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And it's all like, oh, we care about millions and millions of American lives that die by drugs every day. we won't do anything to solve you know the all the crises that revolve around why people go to drugs or why dealing illicit drugs is people's only form of ability to make ends meet in a lot of communities. We'll dodge all of that. And then – while we're illegally bombing fishing ship fishing ships and shutting down the airspace around venezuela and potentially going on a ground invasion and then it's just like and then what
00:22:53
Speaker
But then you you you pardon world-renowned drug trafficker. Like it's just – I don't know what he – like you said, every day there's like this new – we're all kind of crashing out collectively at this point because you don't even know how to speak to it anymore. And you're hit with something new every single day to the point where you can't even – Once you engage in a conversation with somebody, you can't remember the 17 – and that's it. It's just like it's so much chaos and so much information overload that you can't even stick to one topic.
00:23:30
Speaker
Like one of these topics would have been the news cycle for two weeks. And now you get 24 hours at best before. Now you have to talk about why he pardoned the dude who defrauded a bunch of people through the nursing home industry. It's like Steve Bannon calls it like flooding the zone, I think, or something like that. But yeah, it's just an avalanche. that's To the point and perfect at point in in all of that, like there's so many different ways to like – pick apart the rationale for invading Venezuela or whatever they're about to do, overthrowing the government, backing this lady who's a Manchuria candidate for us, whatever.
00:24:06
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Like all of the things that we've just talked about, we didn't even mention the fact that like 0% of the drugs in the U.S. come from Venezuela. I think it's like 7% of the cocaine traffic in the U.S. comes from Venezuela. 0% of the fentanyl does. Yeah.
00:24:23
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does It's all coming from China and over the border with Mexico. That's where almost all of it is coming through. it's just like there's just no rationale. So what you're saying we should be bombing Mexico. And I hear you. And I agree. It's like, we're just bombing the wrong people.
00:24:39
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Yeah. Send a clear message. Bomb you! Bomb you! Kill you! Kill you! that's the american message That's the clear message that we're sending.
00:24:51
Speaker
Yeah. So, Christy Noem, you know, Bongino, Kash Patel, you little bug-eyed freak. You think you're going to start an Islamophobic, you know, nonsense campaign? Half the country probably thinks Kash Patel is Islamic.
00:25:09
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that's probably that' I would imagine like you could show people Patel's picture, like most of the voter base, you could show them Kash Patel's picture and be like, this is the DC shooter, and they're like, knew it.
00:25:24
Speaker
yeah Freaking Muslim. I love this country, dude. You know, the thing they don't want you to hear about is this Sharia law. You're like, okay. Yes, thank you.
00:25:37
Speaker
So, ah we have a... Ooh, we got a big story. We got a big story to get into here. So we cleared the plate of all the political stuff that we can possibly stomach at the moment. We didn't.
00:25:49
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I wanted rapid fire a couple articles at you. Oh, yes, please. Go for it. um it's We're not going to get in the weeds. ah Just a couple of headlines from the past couple of weeks that I saved ah that are just wildly entertaining. Yeah.
00:26:04
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The first being, we don't need to get into the details, but according to Trump, um ah based on his physical or IQ test or dementia test or whatever it is that he recently saw a doctor for. It's a core sample of his brainstem. according He counted the rings.
00:26:27
Speaker
According to him, ah he is 224 pounds and body fat You said that? Yeah. Oh my god. but By comparison, ah then it shows a picture of um Alan Richson. I don't know who he is. He looks like he fights for a living. By comparison, here's Alan Richson. He's 234 pounds and under 10% body fat. And this dude is fucking ripped. He looks like he could pop all of our heads off.
00:27:02
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with very little effort. Dude, if he said 325 pounds, I would have gone, okay, maybe. But then it shows physician, it says physician to the president. Um, and it has like all this, all this shit on it that he's bragging about.
00:27:18
Speaker
Um, Rep Jack Kimball on Twitter posted, President Trump is now six three Now 6'3". Like, your height can change. You know? He's now 224 pounds with 4.8 body fat. We might lose him to the NFL draft. Dude, who is the chief medical officer at the White House? Like, who did he appoint to that role? Was that just like that chiropractor that was making videos and you could cure COVID with 7-Up? Yeah. If I like elbow drop your back, it'll release all the toxins and you'll be just fine from cancer free for the rest of your life. I just think it's so because long history in the medical industry, he sold magnetic bracelets for arthritis.
00:28:04
Speaker
The way that Trump berates people that he thinks are ugly, the way that he kind of tried to suck off Mom Donnie in their little meeting and how like how interested he is and how people look. like After reading that, I was like, oh shit, this guy actually believes that he's like a 10.
00:28:23
Speaker
like i I think he's like psychotic in that way. like That's the ultimate form of narcissism when you can just be an ugly fat piece of shit with bad... foundation and a stupid haircut and be like all these bitches want to fuck me like he walks around like everyone like he really he really believes that i think he really truly looks at himself in the mirror like it's just like the uh it's like body dysmorphia but for like narcissists Like how tragically positive it can be. like Like the perfect example of the guy that like the guy at the, at a club that like hits on a girl and she blows him off and he's just like another freaking lesbian. Yeah. Yeah. Like when you look at people who have body dysphoriasis, they look in the mirror and they look, they're great. They're healthy. They look wonderful.
00:29:13
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And they go, i see a disgusting fat slob and I need to vomit my brains out. And he looks in the mirror and it's just like, I can eat more McDonald's and still be a 10. Like it's perfect. There again, just further backs up the motto of this podcast that a little shame is healthy. Yeah. That really has become our go-to.
00:29:33
Speaker
For the sake of time, I'll just do one more um so we can get to our main story. I don't know if you've heard this one, but two Americans plan to gather an army of homeless people and seize an island off the coast of Haiti.
00:29:48
Speaker
Oh my God, I love that story. That's so that's awesome. but So it says two Americans were arrested after allegedly planning one of the strangest schemes investigators have seen recruiting an army of homeless people, arming them and attempting to seize a small island off the coast of Haiti. According to the authorities, the pair had drafted maps, outlined a takeover strategy and even discussed how they'd govern the island once they gained control.
00:30:13
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Officials say the plan never got far, but the intent was serious enough to trigger federal charges. a plot that sounds like a movie script ended with both men in custody and the island untouched, a reminder that not every wild idea stays online.
00:30:28
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That is incredible. And they're just these like 20-somethings, you know, like they look like you're just you know, average, they just look like your average Joe's like, nothing spectacular or notable about them. couple of young romantics with big dreams.
00:30:45
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I think that speaks to the, um I think that speaks, I think that speaks a lot to so many aspects of how far gone we are as a country. We're like, they're they they're like the one, you can just take shit over. Like that's the message we've been sending for a long time now. Yeah. I mean, our entire history is riddled with that. Human history is riddled with that. They go, it's this little island, inconsequential.
00:31:12
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We're doing homeless people a favor because like they're struggling, right? So we could just own this island and house all these homeless people. We get to finally be somebody. We can be the governing authorities and we will rule with a firm fist, but a passionate one, a compassionate one.
00:31:31
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I feel like martial discipline among the homeless is going to be a tough thing to establish. How so? I don't know. I just, you know, I'm trying to envision them like storming the, the, ah the beaches, but like in, in revolutionary war fashion, just all in a line marching like single, like, you know, perpendicular. yup Yep. Yep.
00:31:54
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Taking, taking bullets left and right and just following the next guy, like just jumps up and joins the line. I think, that's That's maybe the most unrealistic part of their plan. Well, who knows what this... I want i'm go to learn i want to learn more about this because who knows what the island was like. Remember that John Chu character that we talked about? um He wanted to like convert an entire island, but it was like illegal to go there like oh was yeah like they they had maintained their way of life they were they were violent to outsiders and it was like no we just we ignore that island it doesn't exist and john shoes like i was called by god to go bring them the gospel message and he got speared to death the second he touched the beach and you wonder if it was something like how inhabited is this island Like, is this even, is it really like, um, are there, is there like a community on it? Is it just an Island that they're like, this one's pretty empty? Cause I don't, you look at them and you know, they're your typical, like 20 somethings white dudes. Right. So obviously they have like, we've seen how that goes, right. Delusions of grandeur who are like, I can go in and do anything. It's mine for the taking. But I just, uh, you wonder if they're like,
00:33:05
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This one's relatively under the radar. Not a lot going on there. like Maybe the arming is just for their own protection after they get there. I don't know how they're going to afford to get all those homeless people there. They do look like they kind of have trust fund faces. It's possible they just kind of have like they're just bored and have a whole bunch of money, which really kills the whole like American Dream aspect of it for me personally. You know, I would prefer a story where they um are i staring down the barrel of a gun like the rest of us. And they're like, I'm going to make my own way in this world. But if they're like trust fund kids that could. fill a private jet full of homeless people and like parachute them out onto an Island with a bunch of old AK 47s that'll jam up as soon as they land. Like, I don't know, not as exciting, but still I appreciate the audacity to believe in yourself that much. If I, if I had that much, if I believed in myself that much, I think I'd be able to accomplish more in life. I think I would have figured out a way to like monetize a hobby or like,
00:34:13
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you know, have a side hustle if I had like that kind of passion for anything, you know? Yeah. Yeah. There was a story like that last year, maybe it was a year before, but it was like a guy and his, like his teenage son and his son's friend. And they like went to the Congo with like the intent of like starting a ah coup and pretty much got arrested like night one.
00:34:41
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And I'm sure horrible things happened to them there once they were were arrested. But yeah, they didn't even get their boots laced up. Nevermind on the ground. hi if I was going to, if I was going to do this, uh, something like that, I think the, I think the island that I would try to steal is a little island in central Massachusetts, uh, that if you look at on Google maps and I've mentioned this before, but it's called Busta Rhymes Island.
00:35:06
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And that's the one I would take for myself and build a community on. Yeah, I think that's a realistic goal. hey Well, okay, so let's jump into our main story. This one, there's a lot of there's a lot of elements here.
00:35:24
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but I'm excited for this. I'm marginally familiar with it, but you've done the groundwork. Yes, it is a story of about... um you know, vile sexual deviancy and, you know, the call to ministry and having a passion for for teens.
00:35:45
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Right. And proximity to power is a plays a role as well. Usually, yeah usually comes into play. So I'm just going to kick this off by reading a little bit of an article with the the initial aspect of the story that that caught my attention.
00:36:04
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Okay, Fishers, Indiana, the son of Pastor Nathan Petternow, a longtime mentor and close ally of Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith, has been arrested on seven felony counts related to child sex crimes, according to law enforcement and court records.
00:36:20
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Jonathan Wesley Patternell, 24, of Pendleton, was arrested Thursday following an investigation by the Hamilton County Metro Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.
00:36:31
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Investigators said they received a cyber tip from the National Center of Missing and Exploited Children, indicating that Patternell had uploaded child sexual abuse material to Snapchat. To Snapchat.
00:36:43
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Like, who is that for? What are you doing? ah Trading with other pedophiles, I think. Yeah, I guess. Now, how do they find that? Because everything disappears on Snapchat. I thought that was relative. Someone probably reported it.
00:36:57
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Screenshotted and reported like some sort of sting. Maybe so. Yeah. the thing, dude. That's the thing. You can't trust these group chats. There's always one person in there that's there to take you all down. Like.
00:37:08
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It's it. I'm glad people haven't learned. Right. Cause obviously I want these people to get caught, but it's shocking to me like how people can just continue to make the same internet mistakes that everyone makes like without ever being like, it is like, maybe you didn't need to send that to a lot of other people. Like, I know you have a problem.
00:37:28
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And you could have like, and I'm glad you didn't. Let's be clear. Let's be very clear. I'm glad you didn't keep it to yourself. But I'm just saying, if I was engaged in criminal activity, I would be okay. This is terrible, like, no, I'll save that. I'm not going to get into that. All right. Okay. you Yeah.
00:37:49
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Well, I think it's just the constant. I think when you're in this stuff, it's the constant thing. pursuit of more of it. I think that's what drives a lot of this. That's what keeps all these like little groups afloat and why they're always in contact with each other. And they're always trying to like trade stuff and things like that.
00:38:10
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And how do you find each other? Like i I wouldn't know how to go out on the street and get something like, I wouldn't know get Coke. And I know that's a pretty easy thing to get, but I would be like, I would be afraid that anybody I asked was going to turn me in, you know, like, and these people just, Hey, you like that? you were in a state of horny psychosis and the only thing to scratch that itch was Coke, you could find Coke.
00:38:34
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Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah. I think for our purposes here, because I want to keep some of these characters straight, right? um I'm going to, okay, I'll ask the audience, don't don't look this guy up or anything like that, okay? just just Just go with me here, okay? I want you to think about Jonathan Paternell.
00:38:54
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When you think of him in your mind, envision Herbie from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. Yeah.
00:39:02
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I've seen this kid and i I didn't make that connection. Now I need to like, i just think he's kind of a misfit. Oh, so like, like conceptually, uh, character, character wise. Yeah. There's parallels there. He doesn't fit in with the other elves.
00:39:18
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like Why am I such a pervert? I fap so hard that my shaft hurts. I've been thinking about this for days now, and I keep thinking, just like putting him into scenes.
00:39:38
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We have dolls that walk, talk, and run a temperature. We don't need pregnant toddler sex dolls. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. So,
00:39:51
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but
00:39:54
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you ah jesus christ a
00:40:06
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still um I think there's there's some videos going around that I would imagine. Some of you probably found this the same way that I did in that there is a ah there's a lady who made a video where she's like, she starts it off by saying a lot of people haven't heard about this because our local news isn't covering it. But boom, this Jonathan Patternell, the son of of Nathan Patternell, this famous pastor here, is has been arrested for this.
00:40:34
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So the part of what's okay. Just that little piece of it oh it's, it's, he uploaded child sexual abuse material. Like that's, that's bad enough.
00:40:46
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I think this is worse than, this is worse than what you initially imagined. Right. Because um the, the way that it was described, like the, the content that he was, that he, he he was in possession of was like,
00:41:03
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sadomasochistic abuse of children and some that appeared to be drugged or drunk in during the act.
00:41:14
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um And also AI-generated depictions of pregnant toddlers being abused. it Dude, that impulse. This is why these people aren't safe in prison.
00:41:29
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It doesn't matter how many people you've marked in a drug deal. ah yeah As soon as you're in a... like It doesn't matter. Everybody just knows. like The most violent criminal on earth is like, dude, that's fucked up. like That's so fucked up. It's a different level of depraved.
00:41:47
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you know It's yeah's just beyond the pale of anything you would imagine a person. A person like looking for and being into. Well, who is the...
00:41:58
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you might remember the story. I don't remember the name of the dude or the band, but it was this guy in a, he was in a, he died recently in prison. Um, maybe he was killed. I think he was killed, but it was just like, he went to jail for basically raping a kid. And it was like, I just saw the article, like all the stories going around about this guy.
00:42:21
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um And it was every Instagram post about it. Like if you check the comments, you didn't find a single fucking disappointed person. There wasn't a single person who was like, I get what happened, but killings is no one gave a shit. Like no one at the very least, nobody like the, the softest response is like, I mean, is anyone supposed to fucking care?
00:42:46
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Like you just don't you like you lose. Nothing will sap away empathy. from a human, like learning this about, like learning about someone who committed these crimes. Like, and if they get killed, everyone's just like, I don't know. What'd you expect, dude? Yeah.
00:43:02
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Well, it's like, it's like a, it's like a, yeah a liability that's no longer there. Yeah. And that's, and that's a total, I'm not even, I'm not saying that it, I'm not speaking to that morally at all. I'm saying that's a completely,
00:43:16
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reasonable feeling to have. You can have that feeling and just like, you don't know this person. Like, of course, like this person, they're sick fuck and you don't have to feel anything about that. Like, yeah. Oh, well, good riddance is like, was the online sentiment, right?
00:43:34
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Yeah. Yep. I mean, yeah, it's just the dregs of society, you know, especially when it's this over the top, you know, and i there's no indication that he had like victimized any like children in person. But yeah, he's clearly trading just the most disgusting stuff in the world.
00:43:55
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Ian Watkins from the Lost Prophets. That's the guy who I was. Oh, you're. Yes. Okay. I remember that story now. So, um, so yeah, I mean, that is kind of, uh, that's the, that's what attracted attention to this story is just like how bizarre and over the top it was that this pastor's kid is, is dealing in this just awful stuff. But, you know, then you start thinking like, he's 24. Okay.
00:44:23
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okay That's the other thing that you think about is like, how are you here at 24? yup That's what you and I were texting about the you know earlier was just like, like how does a how does a kid at 24 find himself in this situation or into this stuff? Without one red flag.
00:44:42
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Like I get that like, you know, even like the most notorious serial killers, all their neighbors were like, I don't know. He seemed like a fine dude. Like I get that you can compartmentalize like that. But I do like there's a sociopathy that comes with being a serial killer that allows you to just chameleon through life in a way. Like something like this, you go, you're telling me, you you're telling me as a parent.
00:45:07
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Growing up with a teenage boy, you never once found one search that didn't get deleted from the history. You're telling me nothing. Your entire life, you saw nothing that would indicate that this person is not into some fucked up shit or is not a safe person around kids.
00:45:26
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Yeah. And who knows? I mean, they're not going to tell you that for sure at this point. It's possible too. I'll be clear and say that it is possible. It's just – that's what you start thinking about. You really question – and i look, as a parent, there's a lot of denial that goes on if you're a kid. Like that – I mean that's the – I think history tells us that with every crime that's ever been committed is the parents are like, no, they're a good boy. Like it just – there's a level of denial that you have as a parent.
00:45:55
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Well, okay, so here's here's the question, and this is what Sam and I were texting back and forth about is like, how how does this happen? And to me, it seems like, in my mind, there's there's two possible ways that this kid turns out this way. It's one, he was completely ignored by his parents for a long, long time, and he just retreated into a world of just like internet filth.
00:46:21
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Yeah. Casualty of the ministry, man. That is one possibility in mind. think about how many people got saved, though, when you think about that. Yeah, right. He he sacrificed his own son to bring others to Christ. He's a lot like God in that way.
00:46:37
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the other The other possibility, okay, because – oh, Oh, time out. Because the other thing that he was position of- I was going to ask, but thought you be saving it. Yeah, yeah. This one's nuts. So aside from the stuff mentioned before, the other thing that he was in possession of was 50 images and videos of his parents naked and having sex.
00:47:02
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Un-fucking-believable. Pastor Paternell and his wife- And so like the other scenario that this, that I think to me goes, okay, this is how this happens is, oh, you were, you were kind of shepherded into this level of perversion and disgusting, you know, abhorrent behavior and interest by authority figures in your life. And it really makes you start scratching your head and looking at this guy, Nathan Patternell and thinking, okay, who is this guy?
00:47:35
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And, He's an interesting character. There's three main characters in this story that have different types of allegations against him. Okay. So Jonathan Patternell is the son who's now in prison.
00:47:47
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Okay. Awaiting trial. Nathan Patternell is his father and he is the pastor of Life Church in Indiana, which is like ah some sort of big mega church campus. And they have multiple campuses around the town. I don't know to what extent it's spread out, but there's multiple campuses at least. Okay.
00:48:08
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Big operation.
00:48:11
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He's accused of over the course of many, many years, having a lot of like inappropriate and gross conversations with teenagers going way back, way back to when he first started as a youth pastor. He has been having weird sexual conversations with teenagers that made them uncomfortable. He talked a lot about him and his wife and the sorts of things that they were into.
00:48:40
Speaker
You learned that one from Mark Driscoll. Yeah. there's we'll get into We'll get into some of that in a bit here. okay So the other character in this story is this guy, Micah Beckwith.
00:48:53
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who is the pastor of one of the chapters of Life.Church there in Indianapolis, but he's also the lieutenant governor of Indiana. o and He's doing two jobs.
00:49:07
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't realize lieutenant governor was a part-time job in which you could have another full-time job on top of that. Okay, well, that's that's funny you bring that up because that's part of the allegations that are against him.
00:49:20
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So Micah Beckwith. Being a pastor is kind of a part-time job, let's be honest. You can fill your time for sure, but like. yeah let's Yeah. I could also be, i could be a campus pastor on top of being a teacher.
00:49:34
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Possibly that's how I can cover my student loan payments. i might have to go go back to church. i support that. I think that's a great idea, honestly. I will peddle in nonsense that I don't believe for the sake of my family.
00:49:47
Speaker
Join the club. yeah so Are you telling me you're not passionate about all the motor oil you sell? Oh, I'm passionate about that. I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about these guys. You could be one of these, you know, pastor pederast fellows.
00:50:02
Speaker
Okay. As long as you're passionate about motor oil. We're cool. I just, look there's too much as we've discussed, there's too much hypocrisy in the world. And if this is the way I found out that you were one of them, it would that it wouldn't bode well for the podcast. I'm i'm a true believer, brother.
00:50:20
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but So Micah Beckwith, um he's this lieutenant governor and stuff like that. He and and Nathan Petternell are our best buds.
00:50:32
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And they, want one, they traveled with Charlie Kirk's campus pastors crusade or whatever. Okay, okay. Two, they host a podcast together called Jesus, Sex, and Politics.
00:50:48
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Dang, he can also host a podcast on top of his two full-time jobs. what up That guy. I might argue that he is, based on you know the the the pastoral epistles and what they expect from pastors, I would be willing to bet that he's abdicating some of those familial responsibilities.
00:51:09
Speaker
for the sake of all of his other extracurricular activities. What can go wrong? There's no examples in his immediate vicinity. so his the the So in the midst of all of this stuff that's going on with Jonathan Petternell and Nathan Petternell, Micah Beckwith's office is under investigation right now for, one, ghost employment, which is kind of what you described, right? they're not allowed to do things unrelated to their job description when they're on the clock for the state of Indiana.
00:51:45
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And right it's got a bunch of irons in the fire that probably pick up portions of his time. That's a pretty standard job expectation. ah Almost certain every job around the world has, except for being a pastor. You know, Stephen Furtick ought to write a book, even though he says he did it on his own time. um Like,
00:52:07
Speaker
That's just like, I mean, whatever you write on work hours, that's theirs. You know, like there's so many, there's so much in that you sign over to your job for those hours that are just duh. Like that's such a fucking duh. Like, And look, we've all just done the shit that wasn't related to our job on the clock. Like that is, that's pretty normal person stuff. I mean, I've, I've done Instagram a lot. I didn't get paid for it, obviously, but like I've done a lot of things.
00:52:35
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That's the deal is you can waste company time, but you can't use company time to make money for yourself yeah from a different company. Yeah. Double up. Yeah, and and ah so he's under investigation for that, as well as allegations that there was a deepfake porn video passed around the office of another Republican lawmaker from Indiana's wife, Topless.
00:53:02
Speaker
And he's under investigation for spreading it? Or creating it? creating a deepfake of a person... you know Without their consent or something in Indiana is a felony so or a misdemeanor or something like that. That's AI regulation. Trump wants to get rid of that, by the way.
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah, can't have that, right? Can't regulate that. So, yeah, there there's – and i I tried to – I didn't get to put enough time into it to really, like, figure out what all was going on with those those allegations. But it seems like ah he had an employee – like, an employee at the office there that complained because someone showed her a video of this Republican lawmaker's wife, topless, a clear, you know, deepfake.
00:53:49
Speaker
And what is going on where people just think they can show this shit to people they work with? Like – she sat and i don't like She said it was like a frat house atmosphere at his yeah office is how she described it. And- the person She claims that the person she showed who showed it to her said, even Micah thought it was funny.
00:54:09
Speaker
So it's who knows? I don't know if that's going anywhere. like If it's just this one lady's claims against them, I mean, there may not be anything but humiliation in it for punishment. but Yeah, and usually you need about 15 to 20 women to come forward before a man gets prosecuted for anything. Yeah. so Yeah. So yeah, he's, he's under investigation for those things.
00:54:35
Speaker
You know, he's not high enough up the political ladder to insider trade. So he's got a grift in other ways. Right. need to give him the space to do that. But the, the, the, so Petternell, Nathan Petternell's accusations ah from his youth group days are, are interesting because You know, I think a lot of people started like going, okay, well, who is this guy? And, oh, he has a – his son has nude pictures and videos of him and his wife. Like, how?
00:55:08
Speaker
Why? You're a pastor? Like, why do you have these in the first place, you know? And then on top of that, he hosts this like Sex and Jesus podcast with his lieutenant governor. Which, red flag there, dude. Red fucking flag. The people – Who are just obsessed with trying to like intermingle sexual comp. Like there there's two ends of that spectrum, right? Like we all grew up not getting with, with too many safeguards around that conversation to the point where like we were, it kind of ruined us for a while. Like,
00:55:44
Speaker
Or a lot of us still to this day. And then there's the opposite of like that overcorrection. And I don't think this guy stems from an overcorrection. It seems to just stem from a a perversion. But it's like, yes what are we doing? Why do we need to mix those things? And I think it dude i think it's a way to like to validate your, like you're, you have to go that far out of your way to like validate your own interests with the gospel message according to you. So that way, like you can rationalize it. It's just that, that whole podcast sounds like a big rationalization for something bigger. It's just a big conservative politics circle jerk where they like make edgy jokes about Christ and sex and whatnot, you know? Um,
00:56:33
Speaker
So there's an article, there's a website called 24 Site News that's published a couple of different articles about this whole situation. One of which is worth reading. It's called The Survivors of Stormfront.
00:56:45
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Nathan Patternell's discussions with teens about sex, youth group hazing culture, scarred a generation who left Indiana Church decades ago. The first red flag was the youth group kids all jokingly calling him Peternell.
00:57:00
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And no one was like making a big deal. Oh, I guess that's just for fun. So this this starts off ah in an interesting way. It says, Nathan Peternell's rise to the top of a powerful Indiana church plugged directly into state government started in the late 90s because Pastor Tim had computer problems.
00:57:21
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ah Pastor Tim was the senior pastor at Eagle Creek Assembly of God in Indianapolis, a small Pentecostal church serving a diverse area comprised largely of working class residents.
00:57:33
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One day, his desktop computer in the church froze, so he asked for help. Shortly after that, Pastor Tim was fired. He had been looking at porn on the church computer.
00:57:46
Speaker
What year was this? This was in the late 90s, it says. Okay, and that's it, man. let' See, phones changed that game. he couldn't He didn't have a phone i ah a smartphone, you know?
00:57:58
Speaker
Dude, he got caught with his hand in the digital cookie jar. it's so You got to delete them cookies. Now that now that people have moved on from like... you know I was just watching the I think you should leave sketch the other day where ah the hot dog vehicle crashes into that clothing store. And he's like, everyone's like, who who did this? He's like, yeah, who did this? He's got the hot dog costume on.
00:58:21
Speaker
And he starts going down this rabbit hole of like the what the problem is with everybody. He's like, we've all been standing here forever talking. No one knows my name. That's the problem. no We don't even look at porn on our computers anymore.
00:58:33
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We only use our cell phones. And like, That is a... I've watched that sketch so many times. It's so good. But that's it, man. Like how many... how many I want to know... i want the data on the percentage of pastors who got but pre who got caught looking at porn on their computers pre-smartphone era and the percentage now. And then we just need to start assuming that whatever the old percentage was is like is at least doubled and that they're just doing it on their phones. How many of them that got caught looking at it on their phone is because the church is paying their phone bill.
00:59:07
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Yeah. So not long before this hole went down, ah Eagle Creek's leadership had recruited Nathan, a native of just outside Pittsburgh who recently graduated college and was, quote, filled with the spirit. Nathan and his soon-to-be wife moved to a small apartment in Indianapolis not far from the church.
00:59:27
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His smoking and hot wife? Oh, God, dude. this yeah This guy's like the final boss of my smoking hot wife youth pastor. Yeah.
00:59:36
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So he, uh, he joins the church and it's right in the middle of like the big purity push in the Pentecostal movement. And, uh, yeah, it says more than 25 years later, the former youth group members and others who left the church one by one say it's finally time for Petternel to be held accountable.
00:59:56
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So, and it goes through and talks about like his son being arrested and stuff like that. Um, But basically, right after you know he he started, they nicknamed the youth group Stormfront, which threw up some red flags for people because Stormfront is a neo-Nazi group in like Florida. and the it's like I don't know if it's even still up, but Stormfront was like the big forum site for like white supremacists and stuff like that.
01:00:24
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Okay. Which, whatever. I mean, people make, there's some stuff with all this that I watched some videos of people talking about it and whatnot. There are things that people, when they go looking for stuff to criticize someone for, it's like, all right, well, you know. like It's not as unlikely for a youth pastor to pick a stupid name for a youth group. I mean, that is, that's part and parcel, you know. Let's call it Cornerstone or something like that, you know.
01:00:51
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I think feel like I was, Hey, I was the commons.
01:00:57
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So he was little coffee shop, like set up. The one thing that I work lighting, comfy seats. Well, there we go. Sounds appealing. Sort of, um,
01:01:10
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The one thing that I will give him on that Stormfront point was, I guess one of the parents brought up to him like, hey, you know, this is like a there's a negative association with this. Right. And he was just kind of like laughed it off. And he's like, ah if people think that our you little youth group is part of some white supremacist group, then I don't know what to tell them.
01:01:31
Speaker
Which is only it's only weird because it's like, you know, in this situation with what you're doing as a youth, you know, as a pastor and stuff, wouldn't you just kind of like abstain from all appearance of evil?
01:01:45
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You know i just go, oh, thanks for letting me know. ah Why am I so tied to this stupid name? It's not even a stupid name. And like I get it. It probably has something. to like i don't i don't get it. But you know the Stormfront. Operation Stormfront. It has like this like charging and do your thing vibe to it. And I'm sure that's what he was going for. Like go out and, you know, take the country by storm for the gospel, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah The storm is gathering.
01:02:18
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So I get, but like you go, oh yeah, okay. Thanks for letting me know. I'm just going to change the name to something else. That's just as stupid. Cause I, I can't think of a good youth group name. I don't know. I haven't heard one where I'm like, oh, that makes me feel like a group that I want to be part. I i want to invite people to that.
01:02:36
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And no one even uses the names. No one's like, Hey, come to the, come to common ground with me. Come to, come to the commons, come to storm front. They go. Oh, when they do, it's so lame.
01:02:47
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I'm going to youth group. Do you want to come with me? And then they're like, please don't beat me up. It's like, that then they were persecuted for the gospel because people told them they were, I mean, back in the nineties, they were probably called in the F word and then said, I'm not going to your youth group. but
01:03:05
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So, um, the first of the accusations that came out and really got traction, I think against Nathan And one of the first ones that I saw was ah there's a lady named Paige who recounts the story of when she was 17 years old, she was pregnant and her and her boyfriend decided they wanted to get married.
01:03:29
Speaker
You know, shotgun wedding type of thing. They were looking for a we wedding venue and people suggested ah that church because it would be cheap.
01:03:39
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Right. And they were they were like open to other people you know people who weren't part of the church for being in it and stuff. So they signed up. you know They went and inquired about it. They told them like, okay, we'd be happy to to go through the process with you you know you. You got to take some marriage classes through our church as a part of it.
01:03:58
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which is what I think ah most of us had to do, you know? yeah um So they, they said, okay, fine. So they start going to, going to this, these like classes and whatnot, which apparently the first one was like pretty benign, just about what you would figure. Right.
01:04:17
Speaker
Were these the group ones or the the personal ones? So these were in like a small group type of thing. Those ones are even, those are worse. Well, maybe not depending on the the person conducting them, but I know people who did the, um like the small group class type version of it. And i've I've never heard anyone walk away from that being like, that was super helpful.
01:04:41
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I mean, granted, I did it with a professor at Liberty, i my wife and I did, and it was pretty cool. It was pretty benign.
01:04:52
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It was really just us talking to him and he was, dam marriage is a lot of work. bobba but Like, yeah, okay. Nothing. I mean, it's just. Yeah. Are you going to explain that to me?
01:05:04
Speaker
No, no. We're doing exchange pleasantries and and whatnot and that's it. Yeah, we really didn't get in the weeds. We heard a lot about how like about him and his wife. This guy was a good dude. I'm not going to throw any shade at him. I actually appreciated that because sometimes the ones that get in the weeds, it gets weird. This guy, I think he was just like – he liked us. We liked him. He was check helping us check that box because like you said, most churches are like, if you're going to get married there, they want you to go through – premarital counseling and he was really a ah good a good guy as far as as far as liberty professors go like he was not what he wasn't like you're like dyed in the wool liberty guy just super normal understood various perspectives uh so yeah like he was he was cool anyway not pat no he was not cool
01:05:59
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So Paige recounts, they had an initial meeting with Pastor Nathan as he was known to members of the church and its youth group and returned about a week later for their first formal session in January 2016, said Paige, who is now 27 years old.
01:06:15
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Patternell greeted them after hours at the Life Church in Fishers, Indiana, in a small office building adjacent to the main church. marriage counseling after hours. Yeah. Patternell's office door was open.
01:06:29
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No one else was at the church and the young couple walked in. Patternell closed the door behind them, she said. Patternell, who was 39 years old at the time, said the first session would deal with establishing trust.
01:06:41
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We talked about trust and then seemed like we were wrapping things up. And then he told us not to leave because he had a few more questions for us. And he started asking us sexually explicit questions. pagee told We did 45 minutes of trust falls.
01:06:56
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would but But progressively like took off more and more clothing if Pastor Patternel said we flinched. Do you trust that he'll catch you without grabbing your breasts?
01:07:10
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I do not. guess that's a meat problem, huh? We talked about trust and then it seemed like we were wrapping things up, blah, blah, blah. Paternell asked in graphic detail about their body parts and what they did with each other, she said.
01:07:24
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When Paige's fiance refused to answer his question, Paternell began pressuring him. Be a man. What was the question? be a man. Oh, dude, it's yeah, this article doesn't recount it in detail, but she said that like he asked them um like like to chris describe in detail what all they had done. he asked him if they had done oral and anal and all it just like every graphic detail you can think of. Asked him about to if they use toys and what kind of toys. And this girl's 17 and the guy's not much older than her.
01:07:58
Speaker
And they're clearly uncomfortable. Dude, the discomfort is probably radiating off of these people. It should be illegal to ask that. That's insane.
01:08:09
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I mean, i think, yeah, it's like ah it's like a sexually explicit conversation with an underage person. I don't know what the laws are in Indiana, but it seems like you're probably getting in trouble for that. Yeah.
01:08:21
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I think what what he so he asked about, like, if they climb, like if she climaxed, if he climaxed when they had like all this just crazy stuff that that nobody needs to talk about or hear about or anything in this setting. I mean, it's insane. Right.
01:08:38
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and when they Meanwhile, in 2025, part of the news cycle is a 70-year-old man asking a 20-something-year-old girl if he can felcher.
01:08:55
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We totally skipped that news story. I to squeeze it in. Dude, he did go fully RFK Jr.
01:09:05
Speaker
You're like, I miss the days where these kinds of converts, like when those converts, dude, I had to learn about that from a friend who, I mean, I learned about that at an age that you're like, where you don't believe it happens. You know, you're just like, oh, that's crazy. It's just like the internet lore, right? Yeah. People some gross shit like It's like many of those things like Blumpkins and Cleveland Steamers and whatnot. Yeah. And then like, dude, I mean, growing up, it was like any news story about something sexual was always like caution, like approach with caution. And now you just have like some talking head on CBS being like, RFK Jr. asked if he could felcher. you're like, what?
01:09:48
Speaker
What? Little tip for all the newcomers out there. you know if you If you act quick, you can get it while it's still warm.
01:09:58
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i just did You're 70, dude. You're fucking 70 years old. that is yeah if you if okay if somehow If somehow this story didn't enter your bubble as ah as a listener here, you need to look up an original poem by RFK Jr. called American Canyon.
01:10:20
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it's a it's a it's a it's the It's a modern day song of Solomon. ah It really, yeah i I mean, when you when you factor in the time and the exchange rate for sexually explicit conversations, I would say that, or sorry, the inflation, i would say it's pretty on par.
01:10:43
Speaker
Yeah, pretty good. so um So he asked them all these bizarre, intrusive, disgusting questions that they are clearly uncomfortable with. And and I think at first they like they answer him on some of them, but as it continues to go further and get more and more like personal and invasive, the young man was like, I'm not i'm not going to answer that.
01:11:10
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And he badgers him as an authority figure and says, be a man, be a man, and just continues to push him for answers to like these questions and stuff.
01:11:21
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So disgusting and weird. And so they got out of there They decided they weren't going back ever again. Right. And then i think it was a a year or so later, Paige, the woman in the story, she wrote letters to a whole bunch of church leadership people explaining what had gone down. And There was like really like like very little action was taken on it. He was scolded for having a, you know, for talking to a member with nobody else in the building and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, I mean, this is.
01:11:59
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I think like when you're outside of the circle, right it's like really easy to be like, how could this possibly happen? who would you know How do these people like go along with this and stuff? This guy was talking about sexually explicit things from the pulpit. He was talking about recording sex with his wife from the pulpit, talking about toys, talking about all this stuff. like Probably...
01:12:23
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The easy way to shrug this off, like someone who's clearly distraught and had ah had a ah disturbing experience with your primary religious leader, right, is, ah you know, Nathan, like he's always talking about, he pushes pretty hard on that, but he means well, right? He just wants them to be prepared for marriage.
01:12:42
Speaker
No. No. God. Like, it's so bizarre, the whole thing. and He really crossed a line when he played the song Smell Yo Dick in the background quietly.
01:12:54
Speaker
I haven't heard that one in a while. Why you coming with two thousand ive in i on? Something's going on. Let me smell your dick.
01:13:05
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Classic.
01:13:08
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So, um yeah. So, Paige was really upset that there was like no real pushback or anything like that against him. Yeah. basically nothing right from the church leadership. And she kind of dropped it from there because what else can she really do? Right. Right. So going back to the storm front article, the article about storm front, I guess I should specify, um, this turns out is just one of many, many stories about uncomfortable interactions with pastor Nathan, where he had sexually explicit conversations with teenagers and stuff like that.
01:13:47
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Um, it says ah so It says, once a week, Nathan would have small group with just four or five of the teams. They'd come over to the apartment he shared with his wife not far from the church. He picked his favorite teams for this more personal setting. So not everybody was invited. You had to qualify.
01:14:05
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um He had to know your Who's the most groomable and and agreeable in this situation? Nathan wanted to know who was having sex with who. He wanted to know what types of sex they were having. He seemed ignorant at first, second, and third base and asked them to describe what that meant.
01:14:27
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And he would talk about the sex he was having a lot. ah quote He would go into what it felt like and things you have to do when how nothing is off the table in the marriage bed, a former member of the youth group recalled.
01:14:41
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quote And keep in mind, the ages of these kids were between 12. And at that point, I think the oldest was about 16 or 17, mainly boys. cause It was. When I say it was a lot, it was a lot, the former member said.
01:14:56
Speaker
And sometimes he would have his new wife. This ah dude, this is this part is upsetting. And sometimes he would have his new wife tell them of an event that happened to her in college and how she shouldn't have been wearing such promiscuous clothes.
01:15:11
Speaker
Whoa, new wife. At the time, I mean, that was his, they had just gotten married. Okay, so, but first. They were newlywed. It's his first wife. Like, the only he only, he's a man of one wife, as every pastor should be.
01:15:27
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His new wife, the group members said, always looked incredibly uncomfortable talking about it as they sat in their apartment. But Nathan was insistent. Every February for the youth group was called sex month.
01:15:41
Speaker
And he has to pick Black History Month. I know. i was just going to say that. i was just going to say it. e and Oh, my God. He's like, well, March is National Pancake Month, and June is...
01:15:55
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is it Hammock Appreciation Month. We'll just knock that one off of February. Oh my
01:16:06
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Every small group that month was dedicated to only talking about sex. A lot of the parents told their children to skip going that month. so As they should. Good parents.
01:16:17
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but we i The parents who didn't make their kids skip should be questioned. Yeah. it's it's It's weird because it's like, I don't know about everybody, but I feel like if you were in these like...
01:16:31
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more intimate youth group settings where there weren't as many kids around and stuff. Like, I feel like probably everybody can remember a person that was a little like Nathan, like seem to want to push the boundaries, really wanted to talk about sex with you.
01:16:48
Speaker
You know, and like our school, everybody was just so bashful about that kind of stuff that like I don't think anybody would have ever gotten very far with us, you know, but like you think about it, you know, a large youth group where you can pick and choose which of your favorite teens get to come to the group.
01:17:04
Speaker
Right. now The ones most open to the conversation on fire for God. I think that's what they call that. Yeah, the ones whose gods, who God has opened their hearts to the more challenging and conflicting conversations. They don't shy away from it through the power of the Holy Spirit.
01:17:24
Speaker
So after news of Jonathan Padrenell's arrest burned through Indiana social media circles, the former members of Nathan's First Youth Group began finding each other online and sharing their stories, many for the first time.
01:17:38
Speaker
Here we go. Two decades ago, at overnight camp at Lake Placid, about 30 minutes north of Muncie, Indiana, two of the older teen boys from the storm front dragged a younger camper, John, from his sleeping bag out into the dark. They attempted to yank down his pants and underwear, but he kicked them off, ran back to his sleeping bag, and hid in there, sleepless for the rest of the night.
01:18:03
Speaker
Whoa. The next day... he reported the incident to Nathan. For more than 20 years, he believed Nathan never dealt with his assailants, even after his mother pressed the case with Nathan. So this kid was, he was traumatized. Like, this scared him, you know? This wasn't like a fun little like, oh, it's a prank that went too far. Like, he was legitimately afraid that he was about to be, you know, assaulted, basically.
01:18:33
Speaker
Dude, that brings me back to a time I was on a a missions trip to Jamaica, which is basically a vacation. But I went full psycho on some kids.
01:18:46
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They were like the cool youth group kids. They were the ones that like they were the public school kids. Yeah, they would. they Dude, and I don't I don't remember what even like I don't remember.
Youth Group Pranks and Resentment
01:18:57
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I think the joke was they wanted to stinky face me. Do you remember that? are you like, no someone holds you down, they put their butt cheeks on your face. um
01:19:09
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Sexual assaults. Yeah. That's just, that's just harmless fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's just joshing. and In some scenarios, stinky facing was, Oh, there was the impossible sit up, which was like, yes, you would like, you know, try it to get to, but you can't sit up while I tickle your abs. And then someone would, and you have to do a blindfolded and then someone would like drop trowel over your face and you'd sit up into their butt crack. Yeah. You'd Roman helmet yourself.
01:19:38
Speaker
I, yeah these kids were trying to, they, I don't know if I think I honestly, like in hindsight, I think they were really just fucking because I was the weak one. Right. And this is how that shit goes. ah And, and youth group in any, any, like it,
01:19:54
Speaker
In church, it has a more like, it has a darker connotation. But im at the end of the day, if you put a bunch of, you know, 12 to 17 year old boys in a room together, like this, dumb shit is going to happen. There needs to be an adult around to supervise because yeah they they pick the weak ones and they fuck with them. And when you're a kid, you really think that this is just funny shit. Oh, my ass cheeks are on your face. ha ha Like,
01:20:22
Speaker
i but i I like ripped away from them and I was like, I'm not a fighter at all and I would have lost any fight I got into, but I started swinging like a motherfucker. I was genuinely like genuinely like really upset about the situation and I never said anything. And ah I actually forgot about it until now. Like this is the first time I probably even really considered the fact that that was my third time being sexually assaulted in a Christian environment.
01:20:54
Speaker
how close did you get butthole uh i don't know don't actually drop their trousers no but another time on a on like a youth group retreat to maine that that tried to happen and i i was able to break free before i was i i got nose deep in some in the uh in the asshole of the um of the youth pastor's cousin so you know they say if like if you're being attacked by a dog right you're supposed to shove your fist down their throat i should have fisted his asshole is what you're saying i think so yeah i think that honestly yeah i like in hindsight i wish i learned those like those techniques ahead of time if they were like oh we're gonna do it and if i just like bit the bullet and licked his asshole and was like and like just motorboated it. They, then I would have turned the sexual assault around and he would have ran home crying.
01:21:51
Speaker
It would have been hard, but you gotta, you gotta to get them with both hands and, you know, give them a little fissure, grab on by the hairs and just spread it open.
01:22:03
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God, youth group is a ridiculous environment, dude. I can't even like when you when you think back on that, you're like, yeah, that was all really horrible shit. But I was like, I was like clenched fists, like ready to swing. And one of the kids tried to like make light of it the next day.
01:22:19
Speaker
And it's so funny. Every once in a while, I'll have like every couple of years because of mutual connections, we'll randomly like see that kid. And I'm like, i I hate him so much. We're like pushing 40. And I'm like, I still fucking
Church Environment and Inappropriate Behavior
01:22:35
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hate this guy.
01:22:36
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I think he sucks really bad. I think he was always shitty. And then when we're like, when when I see him, i'm I'm super cordial. I'm like, hey, man, how's it going? He's like, yeah, good. And it's just like, fuck you, dude. In my head, i'm like, fuck you. I actually still want to fucking beat you up every time I see you. It's crazy. Everybody betrayed me. I fed up with this world.
01:23:00
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ah Okay, so all right that's not the end of this story. um So ah his mom even pressed the case with Nathan, but he doesn't think that he ever actually dealt with the kids who assaulted him.
01:23:14
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So being older and having moved on from that and other incidents at Life Church, he reached out to Nathan seeking some closure. here's Listen to this reply. Nathan replied in a message saying he didn't remember the assault, but that God loved John and he loved and he loved John and he really missed John after he left. Then he said that one of the assailants had been a harassing another teen and knowing the assailant's mother, well, he felt okay administering punishment.
01:23:45
Speaker
Nathan said that he held down the assailant, told him to stop harassing other campers, then spread cheese whiz through his hair and sprayed it up his nose. What? Why would, what?
01:23:57
Speaker
What? Hashtag that definitely happened. It's like, we had a really silly time about it. What the fuck, dude?
01:24:09
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For Candy Watson and her twin sister, teens at the time, in the group, the big red flag went up after Nathan told a group of children, some as young as 12, that the incident that happened to his wife in college had been her fault.
01:24:22
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Candy and her sister talked to her mother, who was a longtime volunteer and leader in the church. Candy's mother tried had tried to counsel the then 20-something Nathan to be more considerate because he was new to leading.
01:24:35
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But after this, she told both her children, Candy recalled, they didn't have to attend Nathan's small group meetings anymore. There were a lot of inappropriate conversations, Candy said, looking back at it now as a mother of a 19-year-old.
01:24:48
Speaker
When teens were in the church van with Nathan en route to an event or a missions trip, she said, if Nathan's in the van, there are absolutely going to be inappropriate sexual conversations going on. What he and his wife do, this and this and this. I'm like, hey, really that's between you and your wife. I'm pretty sure you don't have consent from your wife to talk to anybody about that.
01:25:10
Speaker
Well, that's the thing about being a man in that scenario. You don't need that consent. For the members of Stormfront... That consent was given by God. The talk was around them constantly.
01:25:23
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Quote, it was a whole normalized pattern of like, now it's as an adult, it's like, oh, that's totally grooming, Candy said. So it seems normal, right? And then you grow up and get away from the cultist BS.
01:25:36
Speaker
So, dude, there's just... I think like you, you just, you look at like the cumulative total of all of these things. And it's like, ah I don't think a lot of these stories were public up until now, but I don't, I don't know, man.
01:25:53
Speaker
There's, and maybe, maybe, maybe maybe i'm oversimplifying this, but there's only been a couple of situations in my life where I was completely surprised in finding out that someone was like a weirdo or a pervert. You know, there's one in particular that stands out as like a oh man, I did not see that coming. Right. But yeah, same. Most of the time it's like you, you recognize a pattern in people and you and you make excuses for it and say i mean everybody does right you don't you're not immediately you don't immediately go to like oh this person's a sicko because they they said something that was a little uncomfortable or like they they seem to push a little further than source social norms would dictate you know rec acceptable
01:26:48
Speaker
But this guy, I mean, it's just, it's too much. It's so much. It's like every turn, he has to be talking about sex and graphic detail and things that you don't, you don't expect that from a pastor.
01:27:02
Speaker
Right, right. And it's this power over.
Influence of Parental Behavior on Children
01:27:05
Speaker
it It feels like a power move to a at a point. And then when you think of his son, right? Like, I know this is such a classic thing to say, and I don't think it's inherently true.
01:27:16
Speaker
But when they're like, oh, like pedophile shit, it's not as... It's it's not at all... It's... it's like being a pedophile or a rapist. A lot of it's related to like that, that power dynamic. Right. Like, um, and of course I think, I think honestly when you get into like pedophilia, sometimes you're just sick.
01:27:38
Speaker
It's a sickness. It's something we don't have never figured out how to, uh, be proactive about dealing with in our society. And I don't even know how you would go about doing that. So we won't get into any ah detailed discussion on like,
01:27:52
Speaker
all the problems and challenges that come with that. But it's like, you're like, yeah when you hear about the dad and how like he forces these conversations on, on minors you're like, did, is, is there some, is that in some way related to like his son's fucked upness too?
01:28:12
Speaker
And, or is that just, is that, Is that a ne is that a like a a psychological thing? Is it a genetic thing? like what I don't know. i ah Genetic is probably the wrong direction to go in because I don't think you can be genetically a pervert. ah But there's when you think of human psychology, right there's always a degree of like nature and nurture mixed in with it and you just go like,
01:28:37
Speaker
Yeah, and for his son to have like the have gotten his hands on the videos of his parents, like what was he doing with those? like i don't know. there's so How did he get them? it just Why would he want those? Unless you know he's just like... you Unless he's been so like exposed to his parents' like sexual sex lives you know for so long. like I guarantee those conversations didn't stop when they left church. I mean, i guarantee you that he talked about sex constantly- At the dinner table. With that
01:29:16
Speaker
You wouldn't believe did to your mom while she was steaming that broccoli. it's It's freakish. I mean, it's it's really just... That's why I i think, like like i said, to me, like the way that this kid ends up you know into all this stuff is either he was completely ignored and left to the internet to sort out his his feelings, or he was kind of shepherded into this by parents who...
01:29:45
Speaker
continually you know like surrounded him with with you know sexual conversation and topics and things like that i don't know that this guy thinks that like porn is a bad thing you know like because he asked about like one of the one of the things that that page said was that you know he asked her about if they watched porn together and stuff like that like I don't know what he would say from the pulpit, but I have a feeling like he encourages porn in some situations. he
01:30:20
Speaker
it's that I mean, it's possible. And I almost wonder if that's where the filming his sex comes from is like porn is wrong, but you can you know go back later and jerk off to videos of your own porn.
01:30:34
Speaker
Like... That would yeah be within the realm of what seems to be his rationale. and I can see that. to like I think it like regardless, that most kids who grow up with parents like that just grow up hating them. They go, yeah, fuck my parents. I hate them so much. They're freaks. ah there's There's another level to what his son got into.
01:30:58
Speaker
You might feel that way too, but also... no, no, I know. I just feel that as well. I'm not starting an argument about how you're on the other side of that. i and I'm just making that clarification that it's not like, oh yeah, it's because of X, Y, and Z that he turned out this way. It's like, it's part of it. I mean, it's it's probably partly whatever's wrong with this kid.
01:31:22
Speaker
be And then it being exacerbated by a setting that he's in. Or, like you said, just being left completely ignored. like There's there is no way to... to the The fact that... like Like I said at the top, right? like The fact that they're like there was no recognition of any red flags or anything concerning for this kid's entire life is like... That...
01:31:50
Speaker
That is a little weird. Like, i don't know you know. Maybe it's not. People hide shit really well. ah Parents aren't looking under every dark corner in every dark corner and under every rock to find out if their kid's a pervert.
01:32:04
Speaker
So, i think I don't know. what There's a lot here, I think that what you could what you can like kind of just discern from like all the stories and stuff is that clearly... like Nathan has a number of kinks. He has like an exhibitionist kink where he likes to expose like the sexual nature of his wife and his relationship to people, especially if they don't really want to hear it. He likes...
01:32:28
Speaker
pushing that on them and seeing their discomfort. And he has like a voyeuristic sort of kink as well, where like he likes hearing in detail, like the, the, the, all of the things about people's sex lives and stuff like that. Yeah. Like, I don't think that turns off for this guy when he goes home.
01:32:49
Speaker
I have a feeling that he's had a lot of discussions with his son about what kind of stuff he, you know, gets off to and, give I mean, i bet you so many lines were crossed in this household over the years.
01:33:05
Speaker
And this is not out of nowhere. Maybe he didn't know the extent to which the, you know, his son had gone down the rabbit hole on this stuff. But like, I don't know, man. I just, I just, all of this to me just seems like, like this guy's a sicko and yeah I don't know where his wife falls and that clearly she didn't like talking about like her assault that happened in college and stuff. But like,
01:33:27
Speaker
I don't know. and I'm not ready to rule out the idea that like she might be a part of this too. you know She's been by his side for a long time. yeah Maybe she's an unwilling participant, but you know maybe she's not.
01:33:43
Speaker
Who knows? It could go either way. like There could be the... yeah because when you look at like the, like, I have a feeling this guy, like, I feel like these kinds of people often have like a, um like that closet anger too, that comes out when they like aren't in control of things.
01:34:03
Speaker
And if that's the case, you know, she might just be like, in the weeds on this and, and women like her, like if your husband, I, as a, I have a friend who got divorced from a pastor and it was hell it for her.
01:34:20
Speaker
And the way the church turns against you, everybody, you know, everyone in your community turns against you and just takes a side of this guy who's treated you poorly, but no one will believe like your adversary holds sway over a group of people. Right. So there's a lot that comes into it. like if
Discussing Sexual Topics with Children
01:34:40
Speaker
yeah it's It's also entirely plausible that she is like essentially a prisoner of some degree, like a you know ah
01:34:51
Speaker
emotionally captive in some way where it's like, i don't this I don't know what there is on the other side of this, or I don't trust this person. if I were to want to walk away. and this is a lot of conjecture. Uh, I, but like people like this, just don't, they don't strike. They're just clearly, they're not, if they're clearly not safe people. Right. And if you can't be safe, a safe person around kids, especially,
01:35:18
Speaker
Like that's a major red flag for like who you are as a person and the way you conduct yourself in all of your other relationships. I just, yeah zero trust for this person in any, in any form of relationship that he has. So here's, here's what I i keep thinking about, you know, cause I don't have kids.
01:35:39
Speaker
Right. but I was thinking about this yeah and like, yeah, no, I think my, I think I'm dead from the waist down. I don't think I got it in me. but ah I, so obviously like the purity culture route is fraught with perils and just bad altogether. You know, it's just a, just ah a terrible, stupid movement that did a lot of damage. Right. But yeah,
01:36:07
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I don't know the millennial reactionary, like opposite of just like anything and everything and tell everybody what you're into, blah, blah, blah. You know, like that kind of sucks in its own way.
01:36:20
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How do you, as ah as a, as parent who doesn't want to repeat like the, you know, the, the follies of purity culture, like how do you protect your kid against this stuff? Like how do you train your kid to recognize these kinds of,
01:36:36
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like these kinds of impulses in other people and to be wary of them. And how do you, how do you equip your kid with like the, the, the judgment to know when it's okay to look at an authority figure and say, no, I'm not doing that.
01:36:51
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Yeah. du you know I mean, that's a i mean, it's a great question. I'm good. I feel like to a degree, it's one you figure out as you go. Like, it's good to think about and have some sort of plan. Like I was actually just thinking about it today.
01:37:03
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in regard to porn. I have friends who have a preteen son and, uh, they had, they, they're starting him out soft. They had jokes about how he takes a couple of, you go from like kids, kids don't want to shower ever. And then when they're taking a couple showers a day, you're like, Oh, okay, buddy. like You know if you watch it too much, it'll fall off. So we were just like having those funny conversations about like,
01:37:32
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what that's like. And, and, uh, my, but our friend, she made a joke about like, i don't know, something came up. Uh, uh, whatever. I don't need to go into detail, but she made it, she made a joke about him taking a couple showers a day.
01:37:47
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Um, or like, a around other family members. And some were like, Oh, I can't believe you said that. Like they were, up I like thought it was too far. And some other people thought it was hilarious.
01:37:58
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And it's like, to me, just even like that got me thinking a lot in a, in actual like serious way of like, Yeah, like these are – like we we know like what this is. Like what with my daughter, of course, we've already – she's 10. So, we've had – like my wife got these books for the kids about like, oh, your body is changing and what these things mean. and My kids are really comfortable having those conversations with us. Yeah.
01:38:29
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So I think that's helpful, right? Like, and to some degree, we've cultivated a relationship with our kids where like, we can just talk about whatever, and they're just ah kind of along for the ride. I'm hoping that doesn't change. um You know, in ah in a lot of ways, my wife will deal with a lot of the conversations with our daughter about, you know, getting your first period growing up this and that.
01:38:54
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Uh, and I have a feeling I'll field most of the conversations with my son. And it's like, I literally was thinking today about even things around like, uh, phone. Like we were talking earlier about phones, right? Jokingly about pastors don't need to use their computers for internet porn anymore. They can just use their phones and, um, uh, think about that with like my kids and like, I'm, I'm going to be really protectionist about that kind of shit. I'm going to, I'm a savvy, I'm a savvy enough parent where it's like, you know, I can, I can go the extra mile to protect them from the wild shit that's out there on the internet that you'll see. Um,
01:39:32
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without even looking for it, you know, it's just going to, it could just pop up. And it's like, if you, if you, if you just, if you're a kid that just goes looking to see what boobs look like outside of a shirt, you're going to find the wildest shit. You know what I mean? Like, and I was even thinking about that where it's like, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll be able to put safeguards around. Like I, I'm you're going to screen things for him.
01:39:56
Speaker
Um, yeah, I'll be like, this is acceptable porn. So I watched it already. Um, yeah, But I'm going to be the parent that my kids... I already told my daughter because she asked about a phone or whatever because a lot of kids in her class have phones. And I was like, listen, you're probably going to get frustrated with me as you get older because I don't want you and your brother to have phones. ah like You'll have phones to like contact people in case you need to. like I always want you to be able get in touch with...
01:40:29
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like your me or your mom, but like there we, we talked about social media and like how, like it is my daughter already struggles with anxiety and, and feeling out of sorts. And I'm like, yeah. And these things make you feel that way more. And there isn't a single study in the world that's going to show other, like that shows otherwise.
01:40:52
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And so I don't know. I mean, I'm being a little like long winded here, but I mean, at the end of the day, I'm like, I think I just have a relationship with my kids where I'm like, I do feel fine talking about this stuff.
01:41:05
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Um, I'm coming at it differently than I did, which was like a total freak out over the fact that like a kid looked at porn or something. Um, and I, I'm just, I'm operating under the assumption that my kid will see it probably before he's 12.
Managing Media Exposure for Kids
01:41:20
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Yeah, which is like any any sensible person should have assumed even when we were kids. Right, right. I think that's the thing is like, you know, how – there's a level of like protectionist rhetoric that becomes toxic like to your relationship with your kids, you know? Like you have to you have to assume that there's things that you can't control and that they're going to see things you don't necessarily want them to. And it's like, how big of a freak out am I going to have? How much of our lives am I going to turn upside down to try to root out like this thing that, that,
01:41:59
Speaker
I don't, that I don't want them to see or whatever. You know i mean? It's like it's like the silly. I'm like, my role as a parent is to, is to make it an obstacle for you to see porn. I know I'm not going to prevent it. Like I need to, I need to give you a reasonable challenge and I need to make you feel a little weird when I catch you and we'll talk about it. And then it's, it's weird take, you know, like listening to podcasts and stuff where people talk about it and you're like,
01:42:24
Speaker
like the amount of people our age that talked about like, you know, that, that had, you know, kind of easy internet access at all hours of the day in their rooms and stuff. And like, like almost to the, like the last one, every one of them talks about like just compulsively like looking at porn for, for now hours and hours a day, you know? And it's like, I know there's like a weird, there, there is like this,
01:42:54
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reactionary millennial thing where it's like porn is good and sex work is real work and this and that and the other. And it's like okay. Yeah, sure. like yeah But yeah, it's not good.
01:43:06
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It's not, I don't think it's a good thing. No, and I don't think it's- I don't think candy is a good thing for people to eat, but I don't think you should make it illegal or anything like that. But like you shouldn't dilute yourself about you know like the effect that that's going to have on- on you know An adult is one thing, you know do whatever, but like a kid cannot be exposed to that stuff en masse all the time. Oh, for sure. You cannot have them doing that.
01:43:35
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And also, I think another thing too is like, like okay, a thing a kid will say is like, hey, like my penis feels funny or like something about – like they might have an irritation in their private area.
01:43:49
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and like it's like with my son who's eight, you just go like, oh. Does it look like this? yeah You just ask like – I'm sorry that's bothering you. Is it something that like, you know, we've had conversations about who can look at privates, right? You just go like, ah is it something you want me to look at?
01:44:08
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um And then it's like, if you go, okay, but you should also like to to let them know, like having conversations regularly about like,
01:44:18
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no one should be seeing this. um You've asked me to look because there's an irritation or you're uncomfortable. So like me or a doctor will be able to look at that. But like, I don't, I didn't, I don't feel like I had a lot of those conversations as a kid. Like there's just that like, no one should ever say that. ah Like the freak out about it. But like, yeah, having like reasonable conversations to the point where it's not uncomfortable. Like, and I was comfortable as a kid talking my parents about some of that stuff. And as you get older, obviously you're not, but like, I don't know, for me, a lot of it is just maintaining kind of like that level of conversation about it and making it not weird to talk about, but also
01:44:57
Speaker
like really driving the point home that like, look, you're as like, I haven't had this conversation yet. Cause he's eight, but you're like, as he gets older, it's going to be, yeah. You're like, I mean, when you're kids, it's like, you know, I work in a school of with, with early elementary and like every week there's a kid who peaks in other kids, penis at the urinal. Right. And then they tell somebody and like,
01:45:22
Speaker
Like that's all such normal shit and you just – so you want to talk about it with your own kids. Like, yeah, sometimes this kind of shit happens and you can just tell – you can tell us. You can tell a grown-up. Like you can – like we're not going to – and we'll just talk about what's appropriate. Like having like big reactions to it is just like – I mean I talk to kids literally like every other week about like – what's appropriate to show and do in school because they're in first grade and they're just like, they're at that age. There's already a curiosity about what other people's privates. Cause soon as you go, no one can see this. Everyone goes, I want to see it. Like that's, that is human nature.
01:46:04
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the The thing that I'm more like, uh, thinking about is like, okay, there's like, that is very, those would be very explicit things. And if somebody was to ask you about that, like, that's a pretty easy thing to spot and identify and say no to what I think the thing that, that, that gets my wheels turning is like, yeah, people, how do you teach a kid to, to, I like,
01:46:29
Speaker
could you, can you teach a kid to be wary of someone who is actively like grouping them? You know, like this guy was. Because no one, no grooming starts out with someone like, it always starts out with someone being uncomfortable and being made to feel comfortable about it by the person who's grooming them. So it's like,
01:46:50
Speaker
A frog in a pot. Yeah, yeah, exactly. and So it really is just like, hey, if anyone ever asks you anything that makes you uncomfortable, it's really important that you tell us about it because those people might like, ah we want to make sure that that that's that you're safe, you know, were that we're here to take care of you and make sure that you're safe.
01:47:11
Speaker
And I think as long as you just – like you don't want to like give – you don't want them to know like the darkness that's out there because the the chances are they're not going to – ah encounter something extreme like that, but you want them to know like if you're uncomfortable by something that happens, it's incredibly important that you tell your like me or your mom about it.
01:47:34
Speaker
Yeah. And then and making sure that you not having conversations on the side that make them uncomfortable to talk to you about certain things. Yeah. You can't upload your cynicism to your kid, but right you have to you have to be able to have open conversations with it.
01:47:52
Speaker
But if you're telling them, oh, I need you to tell me something like this happens, but in a way that makes them feel like something bad could happen. Like, I'm scared. Now I feel like I'm in trouble. Like, no, you're never going to be trouble. I'm going to get Pastor Terry in trouble. And I do like Pastor Terry. Right. Right.
01:48:08
Speaker
And so trying to just be like all the time pedophiles do where it's like, you know, don't tell anybody or I'd get in big trouble, you know? Yeah. What was the, what was the, ah what you talking about Willis show? um ah Who's the boss?
01:48:27
Speaker
No, Mr. Drummond was like the foster parent, the white old foster parent of the two black kids growing paint. what I'm Googling it. It's That's So Raven.
01:48:42
Speaker
It's ah Ed, Ed and Eddie. Why wouldn't it just tell me the show? Salute Your Shorts.
01:48:50
Speaker
The Adventures of James Bond Jr. You keep saying stuff and while I look it up. Different strokes. Street Shark. Oh, different strokes. We should have thought of that right off the bat. It's an episode. You know they used to do the um the very special episodes of old sitcoms that dealt with something really serious?
01:49:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. There was an episode of that show that was wild. It was like the guy who fixed the bikes wanted to diddle the kids.
01:49:23
Speaker
and eric coleman they yeah yeah and they kept going over and he was like do you guys want some juice do you guys want to play video games and like and eventually he like asked them to take their shirts off and shit and you're like i got a whole mess of popsicles as a kid i was watching i was like a teenager when i saw it but i'm like they they never played this rerun on nick at night like i don't know It was wild. But at the same time, you're like. Dude, Dan Snyder scrubbed that one from the playlists
01:49:58
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playlist. It's like, don't warn
Generational Media Influences
01:50:00
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him. It was, uh, yeah. Show your feet. Let's put them in slime. It's, it's, it's so funny to think that shows used to do shit like that to like try to send a real message. But, and then people like parents look at that, like that's inappropriate and to a degree for a certain audience it is, but you're like, i don't know. As a kid, when I was, I was old enough to watch it.
01:50:22
Speaker
And I remember watching being like, Jesus Christ, like that is so on the nose, but, kind of how it's how it happens and yeah and like i don't know if like i don't know if it was appropriate for the age group that they were trying to communicate that message to gary coleman was 40 right so it was fine and the problem is gary coleman was the one actually in the episode making the guy who fixed bikes take his shirt off that was the plot twist oh no no yeah
01:50:54
Speaker
But yeah, don't know, man. It's, ah but i don't know, whatever. You know you think go another think about ah things that as a sheltered kid, you had no idea what it meant, you know?
01:51:06
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and And it was just like playing in the background or whatever. i like For a while when I was like in junior high or whatever, I liked oldies music. That's a terrible, sad stage to go through as a teenager. but oh We all went through it.
01:51:21
Speaker
i remember but like I need a thing and I don't like things, but this is easily accessible on the radio so I can make it my personality. Well, and and like old music is clearly like clean music. So you're allowed to listen to old music, just not new music. Yeah.
01:51:38
Speaker
And then you listen to the lyrics. It was like party. It was like party music or something like that. and It was just like, you know, YMCA and ah the twist and all this crap. There was, I don't know, i can't, I don't know who sang it or like much about the song, but there was one that was like kind of a disco-y funk sort of thing.
01:52:02
Speaker
And the guy stuck, he starts to sing, I had no idea what he's talking about. He's like, When I'm making love, i don't just be making love. I'll be stroking. That's what I'll be doing.
01:52:14
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I'll be stroking. And I had no idea what he was talking about. I'd just be playing it in my room. My mom and dad just didn't say anything.
01:52:27
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like that and ah somebody at Somebody at school said that he was obsessed with The Rock, and he was like, The Rock says his favorite kind of pie is poontang pie. And we were like, just thought it was a funny word, so we just kept yelling poontang pie. Yeah. That's why we were at winter camp until one of the leaders was like, you shouldn't say that. That's a bad thing. if They don't.
01:52:54
Speaker
But they don't tell you why. more like an entire generation of kids singing. Whoa, Black Betty. What is that actually about? I don't know. it just. i when Whoa, Black Betty, Bambalam, Black Betty had a child, Bambalam. You're like the dang thing going wild, Bambalam. Like, is this a song about how black people can't raise children? Like, what are we doing?
01:53:19
Speaker
I don't think Ram Jam would be that racially insensitive. if You know, don't know.
01:53:28
Speaker
Let me here we get some, like there's i there is actually, there's not a lot of lyrics any lyrics to this song. It's, uh, whoa, bam, whoa, black Betty.
01:53:39
Speaker
Black Betty had a child, blam, balam, that damn thing gone wild. They say, they and I swear in the seventies, dude, that's, that was blacklisted. She said, I'm worrying out of my mind.
01:53:51
Speaker
I probably had the radio in it. He gone blind. I guess that's euphemism for jacking off too much. okay but She really gets me high. That's no lie. She's so rock steady. She's always ready.
01:54:06
Speaker
Okay. She's from Birmingham, Bambalam, way down in Alabama, Bambalam. When she's shaking that thing, Bambalam, she makes me sing Bambalam. And all the other lyrics wo back marmba lamb in order i' activvis what are insane song. shit.
01:54:23
Speaker
it's just what i mean it'st that's crazy shit But there is that idea that like, oh, the oldies, everything's good. And then you just you listen to some of the lyrics and you're like, yeah, this song's directly about rape but of an underage girl like.
01:54:39
Speaker
Not Black Betty, but like, dude, it's definitely like, it's a... The it's ah bird is the word. It's there. The word is the R word. It's crazy out there. And that's actually good because they were spreading the message. Right. And that was... Everybody's heard about right the bar but but bu but heard bird. bar The good old days when music was fun. Yeah.
01:55:06
Speaker
That's cool. Just don't listen to Limp Bizkit. Before ah before the Cardi B or whatever was singing about how her shit's so wet you got a paddle in, you know? Yeah, a pot of macaroni and whatnot.
01:55:23
Speaker
Oh, okay. right. So in conclusion, the Paternell family is terrible, and we hope they get all of the things that they deserve, I guess. I hope stuff's coming their way. i feel like, I mean, the problem is sometimes you go, oh, more stuff's going to come out. And sometimes this shit just goes dead in the water after this. i mean, there probably is no criminal charges coming for any of this stuff talked about Nathan, but maybe like he'll lose his position at the church, you know, or maybe it'll just recede in membership. I will say, okay, so I did listen to his, like the Sunday after his son was arrested. I will give him this.
01:56:07
Speaker
He didn't bail his son out. He did his son sat in jail until his hearing, which I have, I have mixed feelings about because that's also, I feel like, okay, well you're, you're leaving your kid in jail. Like he deserves to be there. He should be there, but it still seems like a weird thing for a dad to do. Especially when, you know, he's hosing the church family, like seven ways. dna He needed the extra time to scrub all the computers.
01:56:36
Speaker
So I listened to his sermon that week where he talked about what had happened to his son uh, and some of that stuff. So it was a really like tearful.
01:56:50
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he didn't run cover for the kid, you know? So that's no, I mean, he, he said outright what, what he had done and what he had gotten caught with. He even said that he had pictures and videos of him and his wife.
01:57:03
Speaker
Um, as close as he gets to taking any responsibility for anything was just him being like, there are some that think that might think that just having those pictures and videos is, is a evidence of bad choices. And we understand that you feel that way.
01:57:22
Speaker
Yeah, I did what, okay. So there was things about his apology message that I was like, all right, well that's better than what I expected. You know, like him actually saying what the charges and stuff were and acknowledging like the the pictures and videos that i have of his wife the things that bugged me about it was he starts the message off like his first thing on the stage he's all weepy and stuff and he starts off by talking about the prodigal son okay his son you know he he humiliated his father he asked for his inheritance his father was still
01:58:02
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That's what I thought. It was just like he's like he asked for his inheritance while his father was still alive. This is this is a grave offense in that culture, which I is it.
01:58:13
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I don't know if we know that. Like, I think you're you're adding to the list here. But yeah, it was like the first thing out of his mouth was like, my son has has sinned against me and God.
01:58:25
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Yeah, he made about him, which means he's running cover for something else. I don't trust this guy all. Dude, and it's running accusations like that and being like, our hearts are broken. Just like,
01:58:37
Speaker
Shut up. What does that even mean? Your heart's broken. i you You expect the guy. OK, here's what I want to hear from him in this situation, because it's hard. to It would be hard to talk about. And like, I don't want to be like the, you know, overly picky ex-evangelical being like, wow well, everything you did is terrible.
01:58:56
Speaker
I want to hear something genuine. I want to hear you talk from the heart about how this is actually making you feel and, and the, the, the conflict that you have about it and the sense of responsibility that you feel for what it is, you know, like I want you to acknowledge like some normal human emotion that seems to come from your straight from your heart rather than like this rehearsed canned speech of church terms, which is what he did. He's like, you know, this whole like, oh, yeah you know, we we stand with with victims of child trafficking. That is our posture. And Israel. That is our posture.
01:59:40
Speaker
Like your posture? Tell me about your posture. Just say, i'm i'm I'm deeply ashamed and I don't know what to do in this situation. I feel like It feels like an affront to you to be here in ah in a in a leadership role in front of you right now when my house is
Critique of Pastor's Public Handling of Arrest
02:00:00
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clearly such a mess and this this terrible thing happened under my roof. I feel ashamed and responsible for some parts of this. yup That's what I want to hear. Not like you're, oh you know Lord.
02:00:13
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Bless their hearts. Right. Deliver them. We know from Philippians 4, 12 that you work, you've begun a good work in us and you will continue it. Like, spare me.
02:00:27
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Spare me that stuff. Give me something genuine. If you're going to get up here and do this big weepy routine, you could write a letter. You could just stay home and write a letter and sketch out all your like PR agency, you know, a form letter apology.
02:00:43
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just, just do something that's from the heart and, and maybe it will ring true with people. But like, it's, it's clearly, it just feels, you can't help but feel like the whole thing is, it's, it feels like he's positioning.
02:00:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And he's hired lawyer and, You know, like, i i don't know. i just, the guy gives me the creeps in general, even before I, you know, like, even putting some of the, like, past accusations aside, like, i just don't like the guy. I feel like you build an empire like that because you are a chameleon.
02:01:19
Speaker
You know, you have a ah podcast about sex where you talk about like banning LGBT books from the library and you have your members show up in shirts that say stop grooming and stuff like ah It's just, it's not, it's, you can't do that and then also be like Mr. Cool Hip Pastor that has all sorts of crazy sex with his wife and records it and blah, blah, blah. I just don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.
02:01:45
Speaker
I know that's feel to a lot of people, but it just, to me, it's just like, it just, oh God, I just, I hate it It seems so like forced and fake.
02:01:58
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It has that like feel like, cause at the end of the day, like I don't actually, I don't care if an individual in their partner wants to record.
02:02:10
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No. Or have video. It's just like, but what play I just, I, maybe I'm a bit of a fuddy duddy, but like keep it to yourself. Like that has that same vibe that we were talking about earlier of just like, Hey mom, dad, I need you guys to know that I'm into double fisting.
02:02:28
Speaker
No, you don't. Your parents don't need to know that. You can have a private life. Not everything you like or are into needs to be up on the internet, open for everybody, so that way you can live your true self. Sketch down in a graphic poem to your journalist mistress. Oh my God. that You can just be a person that has your private life and your sexual inclinations and you can do those consensually and have a great time.
02:02:58
Speaker
And then like, It's not a virtue to be fucking weird about it. I think that's what all that comes down to for me is like, it is not a virtue for everyone in the world to know about your life. Like we were in the, in the discord talking earlier and, uh, April said something about how like at cons and stuff, like there are people who like the first thing they'll tell you about themselves is that they're in an open relationship and you're just like, okay, do you want me to fuck you now? Like, I don't know what that is for. Like,
02:03:29
Speaker
Like you can just live your life and not have to make it so like everyone needs to know all these things about me. Cause this is who I like, just do that thing, have that fun. you can like, your friends can know about it, but like to tell strangers and to talk about it from the pulpit, like it has any sort of relevancy on what it means to be a quote unquote Christian community is so dumb.
02:03:53
Speaker
Like, and you can, you can, come and have a perspective from the pulpit. That's not shaming people for, you know, what they want to do in their private life. Like you can do all that. It doesn't have to be the forefront. You don't have to be a fucking freak about it. And the fact that you're talking to kids about it all the time is what makes you a real big freak. You're a fucking freak because of that. So yeah, Yeah. Kind of also just like, so fuck this guy for the the reasons that we should say, fuck this guy. And we're not going to let like, you can't just be like, oh, I'm just being honest as a person, as like a scapegoat for being a fucking freaking pervert. So I think probably the place to end here is with a little, ah you know,
02:04:40
Speaker
iambic pentameter or whatever from our our blessed the the secretary of health or whatever rfk is okay let's see actually let me put a little altar music behind this your open mouth awaiting my harvest i need to squeeze your
Poetic Conclusion
02:05:00
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cheeks to force open your mouth i'll hold your nose as you look up at me to encourage you to swallow the toad Spill a drop.
02:05:13
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I am a river. You are my canyon. I mean to flow through you. I mean to subdue and tame you, my love.
02:05:26
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And on that note, thank you for listening, and we will see you next time.