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Ep. 267 – When Does Wearing Panties Become a Problem for Almighty God?
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This week, we’re taking a look at some of the weirdest behavior Jehovah’s Witness families see as normal, tackling the tough subject of gendered undergarments as an afront to God, and offering moral and spiritual support to a sister in Christ whose unwavering, lily white purity grinds the gears of the dirty reprobates around her. Enjoy the show!
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Cabin Fever and Global Anxiety
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Speaker
It would be the shining at my house. if we Eventually I'm going axe murder everyone because, dude, if I have to stay home for three days, I'm like, I'm losing it.
00:00:12
Speaker
I couldn't do it. And it's like if if we were in a financial situation where we could decide who would do it, you know my wife would do it immediately. um And I'd be like, that's fine. I'll i'll go to work.
00:00:25
Speaker
That would be they like based on our... personalities uh that would be the a solution that would not we would naturally come to um can't you mentor like richer kids
00:00:41
Speaker
if i could figure out god he's never thought about it before if i could figure out if you could figure out how to fleece their parents yeah you know that'd be yeah an option um i feel like it's a good place to start out i heard the
00:01:14
Speaker
Hello and welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. And I'm Casey. And we are, we were not sure that we would even be recording this week because, you know, I had this slight assumption that we'd all be dying in a nuclear holocaust by now, but we narrowly missed that.
00:01:30
Speaker
ah That's nice. i i came, i like when Trump's cool tweet came out about, you know, exterminating an entire yeah sovereign nation with a deadline of 8 p.m., like,
00:01:43
Speaker
I mean, that's some like cartoon villainy right there in general, just a weird fucking just what kind of dead. That's nuts. um And I was like, moronic garbage. I didn't listen to anything on my way home. I was just thinking like, what the fuck could happen? Like, where, where is this going?
00:02:04
Speaker
And you have this idea that like, you know, they wouldn't come up with anything. And then, he'd find a way to back out anyway. Like, it's like he tweeted that on the toilet and then was like fuck, shit. It's like drunk texts type thing. Like, you wake up the next morning, like, I can't believe I said all that. And so, I don't know, man. I i was like, literally just sitting around like,
00:02:24
Speaker
feeling anxious waiting like to recycle like re like just constantly re uh freshening my news feed and shit because i'm like this is crazy this is something that like you know you hear you heard about as like your whole life like you have your doomsday clock but i was genuinely very anxious about that um Yeah, I was freaked out.
00:02:46
Speaker
I was freaked out to the point where like i I just couldn't quit like cycling through videos about possible outcomes and stuff like that. And then the minute that it was all called off, I just felt like, all right, I can't i can't look at any more of this. Like I'm done. I can't invest in any of this. If we're going to die, then let's just die. Right. I don't want to see it coming.
00:03:10
Speaker
And luckily, I mean, luckily, No disrespect towards all the people who would die in other areas, but we're in a good spot. I'm not. You'll be fine. I mean, economically, we'll be in turmoil and absolutely ruined. But I don't know. It's I don't it's I don't even know what to do with all this information.
Political Criticism and Media Shifts
00:03:28
Speaker
i Now it's just like, all right, just wait until there's a real story, because did you see the 10 point plan that Iran gave.
00:03:34
Speaker
I heard some of the the info on it, but I haven't i haven't looked it over. i mean, it basically was like total victory for Iran. And Trump's like, we got a good deal that we can work with. It's like, you are such a fucking loser, dude.
00:03:46
Speaker
And then listening to like Fox News commentators try to like defend it. Like these spineless hacks. Like I just can't even I can't believe we're here. I can't like I can't believe there is still like.
00:03:58
Speaker
I mean, now that most of the media is owned by, like, right-wing nutjobs, you're just like... You have Khanna doing the circuit, doing, like, 15 fucking interviews a day, trying to be, like, the voice of reason. And it's like... yeah when And you just listen to, like, some, like, right-wing idiot just try to argue with him about, like...
00:04:18
Speaker
why everything's actually fine. And he's like at these, like, he looks like he saw a ghost in some of these interviews. Like, what am I doing? Like, he's like in the twilight zone. He's like, what am I doing here? What am what is, who am I arguing with? Who is this even for at this point?
00:04:33
Speaker
It's funny because it's like it's like this weird mid sector now where, you know, a lot of the the like right wing media figures have have dipped like they're out like Alex Jones is like totally off the Trump train now. I mean, he'll go back at some point.
00:04:51
Speaker
When he needs a bomb. But, you know, like, I mean, you got, like, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene. I mean, Alex Jones, too, talking about 25th Amendment and getting him out of office and stuff.
00:05:04
Speaker
I don't know. it's It's weird. Like, it's not... It's not the the obvious like political divide that it used to be, but it's like anybody who's at all connected to the actual like regime is just 100 percent fellating Trump at all times.
00:05:21
Speaker
Yeah. Even ah I was watching a Breaking Points thing earlier and they had like.
Internal Political Conflicts and Messaging
00:05:27
Speaker
I guess, like leaked transcripts from the Situation Room when like they were making decisions about whether to actually like go forward with the bombing campaign and stuff. and You got like everybody in the room sort of expressing like everybody in the room except Pete Hegseth being like, um this is probably a bad idea.
00:05:51
Speaker
think J.D. Vance is like, I think it's a bad idea, but I'll i'll support you, President Trump, if if yeah that's what you decide to do. And it's like, God, you guys are such worthless cowards. Yeah, vice president, see, is just the giant fucking cuck chair at this point.
00:06:08
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe it all leaked audio of everyone like being like, they just kept telling like Pete to put his pants back on. Cause he wouldn't stop cranking his hog the whole time. Do we have it ahead of a non-worthless vice president, maybe in history besides Dick Cheney.
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah. and Look how well that turned out. Maybe it's best if they're just cucking. Yeah. yeah Oh my God. i don't know, man. It's, it, it's, it's so,
00:06:38
Speaker
goofy oh yeah in the Fox News interview I was listening to with Rokana it was like the woman's just like I mean it's just like language it's just like he he's using the language needed to get the straight back open and he's like the straight wasn't closed before like yeah what are you even talking about and she's then she goes back to like the 80s of how bad Iran's been it's like what do we oh dude do you do these people but like I can't even and and we've had this conversation so many times and we can have it till we're blue in the face but like Like, do you, they do they believe this shit? Like, even okay, so even when it comes to belief, like, we've talked about this with, like, pastors so much. um
00:07:17
Speaker
Like, do you really believe it? Does belief even matter once they're a certain point? Is it just narcissism? And then you look at, like, like there Dude, I'm like crashing out over this kind of stuff, too, because it's like there was another like I don't know if it was a memo or report or whatever it was, but basically it's the Democrats going again, being like, oh, we lost before because of like, you know, our messaging. And we saw Kamala make this big shift right when she at first was like Medicare for all. And then she was like, kind of walked that back and then was like,
00:07:51
Speaker
And then she was nothing. Yeah. And then she just kind of took all the Biden points and just ran with those. And then it was like over. It didn't. And now they're doing this thing again. Like, oh, our problem is that like we focused on like we need to they're basically like we need to go more right. We need to go like more right. So that way, like we can pull from the right and they'll be like, oh, they're just like the reasonable people who want the same things we do.
00:08:17
Speaker
And it's like, when are they going to learn their fucking lesson that? The like CNN put out this poll recently, like this updated infographic on like ah people like over the past, you know, three presidencies, Republican presidencies or two Republican repentant two Republican presidencies. So Trump, I guess, but it's like how much up the Dems were.
00:08:41
Speaker
when it came to favorability for the democratic party. And it was like, it went from like 18% to like 13%. And then right now it's only like up 5%. And it's like, overall the favorability for the democratic party is really low.
00:08:56
Speaker
And I do think that, you know, in the midterms, as long as they're not completely stolen, uh, they'll, they'll go mostly blue, but it's like, It feels like people keep refusing to talk about the fact that like the favorability is down because people on the left, like every, every four years hate the democratic party even more. They're still going to vote that way because that's our only option.
00:09:23
Speaker
I'm going to vote for whatever Democrats I can, but like, that's the scary ability is so low to learn anything this time. Yeah. No, they don't need they don't. The lesson is not to go right. The lesson is to stand for something.
00:09:36
Speaker
Anything. And and and ah talk about real things. Don't talk about culture war garbage the entire time. like That's all they've done in the past years here is like – It's been like culture war crap. And the Kamala is like just nothing like Kamala. was It's not like what some Kamala was like talking about trans people too much. Like she didn't say any of that stuff. She just was nothing. She was a nothing candidate that just like she was just like a non-Trump candidate. Yeah. And they can't do that again.
00:10:08
Speaker
I do slightly talk about something. They do. And they haven't had strong messaging. They have like because they keep going. What do people want us to say? We'll say that. And they're wrong every time. So like but then you have people who are really like doing making strides like Graham Plattner and James Tallarico. And like these people are unequivocally standing for what they believe in. And it's working and it's actually.
00:10:31
Speaker
even pulling people from the right, because that's just a breath of fresh air in the world of politics in general is like a genuine person who stands for something. And even like, and actually like no, all the people on the right who are,
00:10:46
Speaker
trending towards Graham Platten are like, Oh yeah. At the end of the day, I actually think that this guy's actually wants to fight for me too. Not just, not just people who think like him, like for everybody.
00:10:57
Speaker
And so like, that's important. And then you have like, you know, you're, you're wishy washy assholes and the, like that we have to deal with like Chuck Schumer. It's like, they just have process criticism of us getting into this stupid fucking war. And then, Like they wait eight days until it actually happens to be like, we unequivocally denounce this. It's like, bitch, you could have said anything leading up to it. You knew it was happening. Like there is, it it really feels like nobody, like at at the very least we'll get people in the democratic party doing certain things that we, that the people on the left want because they will assume it's what they want and they don't have any, like but like,
00:11:37
Speaker
but we want them to actually like stand for something and vote for them on those principles and know that they're going stand by them. And it's like, yeah, they don't, there is no actual like,
00:11:48
Speaker
message campaign of messaging it's just don't give me your focus group opinion the at the mark at the market the time the opportune market research time where it's safest to say it like that's what we don't want that's what we don't want absolutely i want you to come out and present a plan on how you're gonna like invest in america and you know like put the take take this money out of the the defense department, out of the military, and put it into roads, bridges, stuff like that. That's what I want to hear. And if you've if you've proclaimed yourself as a Zionist, I'm not voting for you.
00:12:25
Speaker
I don't care who you are. I'm not voting for anyone who's been like a pro-Israel shill, not happening, new new set of candidates. And honestly, like 99% incumbents,
00:12:39
Speaker
you need to go get out. Yeah. Oh yeah. And that that, I mean, just, just term limits alone would solve 80% of our problems. Oh, you can't do this for more than eight years. Great.
00:12:50
Speaker
Now we know that like, you're not worth the investment. You're not worth investing in over and over again and buying you because you're going to be gone. Like they want these long-term payouts on these bottom.
00:13:03
Speaker
It's like on these politicians who are just completely bought and paid for. And
U.S. Foreign Policy and Critiques
00:13:09
Speaker
Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, at this point, i feel like anyone would have a strong chance of winning if they ran solely on breaking ties with Israel completely.
00:13:18
Speaker
No, no more of our fucking tax dollars going to them under any circumstances. They get nothing. They're not an ally. They don't do anything for us. They just drag us into garbage all the time. Yeah.
00:13:30
Speaker
Be done with him. In case you're wondering, though, Netanyahu is once again saying that because of the war, um you know, they really should suspend elections. Yeah. That's kind of bad. It's like every time he's up for real, every time there's an election coming up, he's like, I need to start a new war immediately.
00:13:47
Speaker
And did it did Iranian drone conveniently hit every polling place? Yeah. And now you're like, great. That's what we need to hear, because Trump's going to hear that and be like, oh, shit, that's right. I need to do that, too.
00:14:01
Speaker
Dude, it'd be funny if like Israel like did took their like tried their hand at writing Iranian propaganda and be like, you know, Israel hides all of their ah you know Iron Dome launchers and stuff underneath polling places.
00:14:23
Speaker
Right. That's where they keep their nukes. That's where they keep their enriched uranium buried underneath Iran. polling booths They're using ballot counters as humid shields. yeah We dropped a leaflet.
00:14:39
Speaker
Oh my God. Well, oh that's enough of that. yeah I was, I was kind of looking forward to, uh, I don't know the, like the post bomb, the post bomb quiet, I guess, you know, like maybe I emerged from my basement. Most people are dead and I can just kind of take my wheelbarrow out and collect arm bones or whatever.
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah. Feed them to your dogs. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, put, ah you know, my survival operation in, in, in effect immediately, which yeah we're just going to like, we're going to accustom ourselves to the taste of human meat like day one.
00:15:16
Speaker
Yeah. The problem is that, you know, a lot of it would be contaminated with radiation. Yeah, but I mean, i eat toxic sludge anyways. That's true. You have been eating you have been drinking 12 monsters a day for the or 12 energy drinks. you Not even monsters. Those ones are the healthy version.
00:15:33
Speaker
You find whatever is on like like close out deals at gas stations. Yeah, the the ah the Sam's Club, you know, ah Sam's Choice version that yeah they sell next to the poison Chinese dog food. Yeah.
00:15:49
Speaker
the thunder muscle version,
00:15:54
Speaker
but all right, well, let's move into some fun stuff. Um, who want, you want to take the lead? Yes. Okay. So this is a, this is a little different, but, uh, we have, we just, like there's always a lot of people seeking help.
00:16:08
Speaker
Um, There is. And we want to be there for them. I mean, we are a community-based project. It's important to us to make sure that the people um are getting the answers they need from people who have their best interests at heart. So we like to scour the internet for people who who vote who who would most benefit from our support. I wish we could do like call-ins, you know? um That would be fun. i want people to call in with their actual questions about You know, all the things that are important, you know, faith, sex before marriage.
00:16:43
Speaker
um That covers it. Yeah, they much shit I read it. Whether or not Islam is a false religion and born from Satan. i see that I started reading through one of those posts on here today, and it was just so annoying that I was like, I'm not even going to talk. It was probably the same one. i stupid It was probably the same one I saw.
00:17:06
Speaker
Some of the comments on it were really good. um I responded to somebody on it because it was just like they go, Muhammad was a genocidal, like pedophile, warmongering, whatever. i was like, oh, for a second, I thought you were talking about our president. Like, it's funny that you can like one genocidal, pedophile freak and not the other. But that's cool.
00:17:27
Speaker
Yeah. Well, one was ordained by God, you know. Right. One espouses Christian values. So ah I had this idea of, man, I wonder if we could find like some old issues of the Watchtower, the Jehovah's Witness publication.
Jehovah's Witnesses' Practices and Anecdotes
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah. to look at and read. i haven't got anything like that in the mail in a while. I feel like that shit was coming in for a minute, but. No, and you can read it online. I don't know if they do it print as much anymore if it's just digital. I think things are looking kind of grim over at the JW Temple Hall or whatever.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yeah, I can imagine. but So I found some old ones, and then I found like the current one, started reading through them, and I'm like, oh my god, this is so boring.
00:18:16
Speaker
I don't care about any of this. It's so uninteresting. it's not I can't even think of a way to make it funny. Was the art good, though? Or is that going not in the one that I looked at? not go drawing I looked at one from 1909 and it's just like indecipherable nonsense about spiritual doctrine or whatever. And then I looked at the current one and it's kind of the same. They are like trying to incorporate some newer tools. So like, They're basically putting out the – looks to me like the Watchtower is meant to be like a a programming guide for the JW churches. like They created their own AI, their own version of ChatGPT.
00:18:59
Speaker
They're Grok. Yeah. Like, it seems like they're supposed to do like one article from the the Watchtower each week or something like that or per service.
00:19:11
Speaker
And they have like kind of pre-queued questions that the audience is supposed to answer. And then they give you a room to type in your answer on the website.
00:19:23
Speaker
It's so boring. It's also boring. it's Yeah, that's like the ah when you that's like the local newspaper write-in section where people can just talk about how they feel about local politics.
00:19:36
Speaker
Yeah. There's just no upside to being a Jehovah's Witness. like You get to listen to and read a bunch of really boring crap and probably get molested. Yeah. Well, you can get that a lot of places. Yeah.
00:19:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's not really, they don't have a patent on that, I guess. No.
00:19:56
Speaker
So I found a post though, in the XJW subreddit that I, that was, has some kind of interesting stuff in it. And it says, what are the most bizarre things Jehovah's witnesses do that they think is normal?
00:20:09
Speaker
And it's just a bunch of people commenting like stuff from when they were little. Um, And some of it is kind of just like the stuff that you would imagine, like shunning and things like that. But like, there's a few that are pretty fun. Like ah this girl commented burning or throwing away objects. They think have demons attached the things my family and others in our congregation burned or threw away are any indication the Midwest U S is pretty much saturated with demons. A thrift store might as well be a demon hostile.
00:20:45
Speaker
And it it sounds like kind of was like basically if you brought any sort of used item into your house, like that was a constant concern was that it had some sort of demonic entity attached to it.
00:20:58
Speaker
That's crazy. See, they really missed out on a good opportunity for a pay for like a pay for play, ah like ah exercise, exorcism type of service, you know.
00:21:10
Speaker
you You like, yeah, you saved money up front by with all these used goods, but like you can bring them to the church and they will purify them for a fee. And of course, you get bulk discounts. I think they really missed an opportunity considering they're clearly financially struggling. Yeah.
00:21:29
Speaker
that would have been a huge missed opportunity to bring in a little extra cash flow. Yeah. It's kind of like, ah it's like indulgences for the used box spring that you got from your neighbor.
00:21:40
Speaker
Right. Right. Because if you're going to get that, youth if you're going get a used mattress, you definitely need to make sure it's not full of sleep paralysis demons that want to suck your dick at night. Right.
00:21:53
Speaker
Or bugs. eat your pussy. Bugs that are going to bite your dong in the middle of the night. Um, so this person says, don't ever remember it being a congressional congregational thing, but my family was similar, zero tolerance for anything secondhand, unless it came from another witness first.
00:22:10
Speaker
Weirdly enough, every time I've heard heard any similar stories, mine included, there's always an exception for cars and homes. Don't you dare keep that secondhand toy. It could have a demon. Don't worry though. I'm sure this vehicle is totally safe.
00:22:25
Speaker
look God forbid they all have to build their homes brand new. You can only get a fresh build. Yeah. I mean, it's really, i think if you care about your family, it's really the only safe way to go.
00:22:37
Speaker
Yeah. And honestly, it'd be great for the local economy. Constant. Like a lot of, I mean, that'd be so good for, you know, local contractors, especially if you're a J-Dub, you know, if you're a J-Dub, it'd be, yeah um'm turn yourself into an Amish community at that point, you know?
00:22:53
Speaker
April and I built our house, so the only demons there are the ones that we either brought or that are buried underneath it. So it's probably mostly like prehistoric mollusks.
00:23:04
Speaker
Yeah, and you did build... you I thought you built... you you i don't know if you want to talk about this in the air, but you definitely bragged a lot about finding some loophole to build on an ancient Indian burial ground.
00:23:15
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's just like you have to get creative now to think of one more thing we can take away from them. And it's like... You know, their ancestors, least take the sunlight hitting their grave.
00:23:28
Speaker
Right. And rob them of their, you know, connection to their ancestors. The locals. I can put an injection mold box on top of their ah their final resting place. it's it's really your way of purging the demons and the evil spirits more than anything like you you're willing to allow them to come up through the ground and into your home but because of how ghosts work you they can't leave those four walls right they can only stay within the confines of buildings for some reason so like you really trapped them there um and you did the world of service yeah yeah
00:24:03
Speaker
Yeah, it would suck to be a ghost that has to haunt a you know like a bad remodel. like You had your house the way you wanted it, you died, and then a bunch of millennials come in and put in... like you know Recess lighting?
00:24:18
Speaker
Fake ah industrial pipe towel holders and you know Edison light bulbs. Yeah. You're like, this place sucks! They start putting a bunch wallpaper. Making static on the I'm going to slam the door so hard tonight.
00:24:39
Speaker
um This person also says one that I've never heard anyone else mention is not being allowed to have the car windows open too low because one time a group of JWs decided to skip a meeting to do something fun and a stone flew in and killed the driver because God is apparently happy to kill people for missing a meeting but can't save innocent kids.
00:25:06
Speaker
That's so likely superstitious. that Oh, dude. it sounds like a this it It sounds like they are very superstitious. I mean, that really like sums it up.
00:25:17
Speaker
yeah This chick says, my parents couldn't afford new vehicles after a while with all those kids they kept making. So to combat any vehicular demons, my father would pray during test drives.
00:25:29
Speaker
Apparently, the Holy Spirit helped him decide which vehicles were safe. With the way used vehicles, especially those racking up the in-town miles of field service, tend to break down. I wonder if we ever did some kind of exorcism on our cars when we were at school.
00:25:44
Speaker
He's like, I don't know, babe. The only vehicle that God seems to want me to have is this 1964 Camaro. Yeah, except they didn't make the Camaro in 1964. It was until 1968.
00:25:56
Speaker
I was going to say 69, and then I was like, I don't want to be made fun of for saying 69. Yeah, too easy. i um I admire your ambition. You got me.
00:26:09
Speaker
um Yeah, it's okay. So ah once when I was a kid, maybe eight at the oldest, my JW mom didn't believe I was sick and made me go to the Thursday night meeting.
00:26:19
Speaker
So I faked being possessed to get out of it. this This consisted of me telling her I heard the word Satan in my head. Unfortunately, this was a bad idea on my part because at the same time I was actually hallucinating from the high fever and dehydration and she blamed it on the evil influence from the Yu-Gi-Oh cards that someone gave me on the school bus.
00:26:41
Speaker
So she either burned them or buried them in the woods while I was sick and I never got a straight answer out of her about which. Why do you have those two options as possibilities Burning and burying? That seems to be how you rid yourself of an evil spirit.
00:26:57
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I guess so. The burying, though, is silly. It had have been burnt. Oh, it really? ah I would think burning would be the only way to go. Burying is just saving it for later.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yeah, kind of. Or maybe like passing your demon on to worms. That's like trying to bury Jumanji. you know Eventually, it's gonna fuck with someone else's life. Yeah. It may be buried, but you can still hear the drums.
00:27:19
Speaker
can we Can we please get a ah remake of Jumanji that doesn't include The Rock and is for children? like I The Rock so much. i don't I can't watch him in anything and enjoy myself. um i But Jumanji was good.
00:27:36
Speaker
The Robin Williams Jumanji. Robin Williams was great. And I think it's kind of wild that no one's remade it Like I would, I would like like an A24 remake of Jumanji, you know, make that shit scary.
00:27:48
Speaker
Make that shit dark. Yeah. A24 needs to do it. I don't know what we're we're doing, wasting our time, making them get sucked into a fucking video game. Ooh, what else would Jack and Jack A24 movie?
00:28:01
Speaker
What about a dark rendition of Richie Rich? ah very He just yeah buys babies and eats. An A24 remake of Dunstan checks in.
00:28:15
Speaker
so
00:28:18
Speaker
ah Oh, that's a good one. The chimp just goes around like ripping people's faces off. But he's and he starts giving her the massage and then just does the like eight pound. Yeah. Buster But the boy that he's connected with, like they they're good friends and he keeps finding his monkey, his little chimp covered in blood. And he's like, it's OK, you didn't mean it. And like he tells it's like, no, mom, he's my best friend. And it's like actually demon possessed or something. That'd be cool.
00:28:48
Speaker
He calls his dad, George Costanza, and all he hears on the phone is like wild screaming while the monkey rips his face off. The most horrifying 911 call of all time, by the way, that it was a terrible one.
00:29:03
Speaker
I didn't hear it. i I did not hear that one. I actually, did until you connected it to a 911 call, i was, ah it took me a second to connect to the dots on that joke.
00:29:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's, ah the lady lived, but dude, it is very scary. the the Just the audio from it. Yeah, the sheer, the sheer strength of ah something that small is pretty incredible. That's why I want to see it rip people apart in A24 film.
00:29:32
Speaker
based on a ah ah child's movie. Yeah, dude. Apes are dense, just like me. m My muscle tissue is just, I don't look like, see, I'm a sleeper.
00:29:43
Speaker
ah i don't, I'm not physically imposing at first glance, but like. You're built like an Arctic penguin with the strength of a chimpanzee. Exactly. Yeah. Just like a, a little wallaby that, that donkey punches you to death. Yeah.
00:30:01
Speaker
I've never punched another man. Yeah, i've I punched my brother or woman, I guess. I've never punched another person, I guess you should clarify. Yeah. I beat my wife all the time.
00:30:15
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But man, I punched my wife, but only in self-defense. yeah I only punch people I know I can beat up. That happens to just be the women in my life. It's not even sexist. It's just, it's, it's just self-preservation. And that's what it comes down to. Like, yeah, i only beat women, but that's because I can and I won't lose.
00:30:35
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Yeah. Yeah. It's strategic. but Don't call Casey a sexist guys. It's not, it's not what it's about. we we know him better than that. The, uh, the funny thing about like all this demonic, like, uh, you know, um,
00:30:51
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the goofy ideas about like demons attached to like whatever movies and things like that. I think everybody who had parents that, that engaged in that like weird Christian superstition, like the funniest thing about it is the strange like lines that they drew around things. Like one thing's okay, but another thing's not like, Everybody was allowed to watch Star Wars where it's like space wizards are usually using like ah spiritual magic that's standing for, you know, divine power. Right. to To, you know, kill people or heal things or whatever. But, you know, you can't watch Harry Potter or Captain Planet or whatever.
00:31:34
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Yeah. did you Did you have any experience with like demon stuff as a kid? Or did you feel like you ever had a moment where you saw or interacted with a demon? o um When I was really little, ah i remember seeing ah there was a ah little black kid that lived behind the my bookshelf.
00:31:58
Speaker
Are you for real? Yeah, for real. And he would he would come out and tell me not to scream. That's I can't tell if this is real or if this is a plot of something I don't know about. I don't think it really happened, but I remember it.
00:32:14
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Oh, so you really. Yeah. You had a memory where you feel like that was going on. Yeah. My parents would would like they would attest to that, that i I thought there was a little black kid behind my shelf.
00:32:25
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That was your inner psychology trying to dismantle your your institutionalized racism. Yeah, or pre-programming it one or the other. Right. I'm scared of black people now.
00:32:38
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Mostly black children, though. um I never really did. um But I remember being like, we don't even know how we were at this church or who these people were, but Like being a homeschooled kid, people came and went from my life um where there'd be like some homeschool thing going on where you spend some time with people. And like maybe my parents would meet people and be like, yeah, because we've all done that, right? As adults, you like you connect maybe with some people, you hang out a few times, but then it fizzles out.
00:33:09
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Nothing really happened. You just like go back to your regular friends group. um But it was like these girls, their dad was the pastor. Yeah. of this church and we were kind of just running around the area and they just kept saying that like down a certain hall in the dark there was like you could see a hand And, you know, was like it was kind of the Christian kid way of doing ghost stories. Like you kind of knew no one believed it. But then after you psyched yourself up about it enough, no one was willing to walk down the hall and like check it out. Like you just got too scared.
00:33:43
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um And like even the people, who the girls who started that story knew it wasn't real. But then no one, everyone. kind of Yeah, you just kind of like group think, kind of like work it up in your head a bit. And you're like, i don't know, maybe just in the off chance that this is real. I'm not willing to get.
00:33:58
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Possessed and usher in the apocalypse. Yeah, I was very nervous about being in the dark alone when I was a kid. I know. i don't think I mean, that's the only thing that like sticks out in my head is like, a oh that's a a potential like ghost thing or something like that.
00:34:16
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My brother had a sleep paralysis story. um i don't think he'd mind me sharing this. I don't i want' want to rationalize it too much because I don't know he would like look back on it. My brother it hasn't been a Christian for a long time.
00:34:29
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But like when we were 10, 11, 12, something like that, like – twelve something like that like he clearly i mean I think he'd look back on it and be like, yeah, sleep paralysis. a lot like You can find thousands and thousands of stories of people feeling similarly or having similar experiences, but it would be like he would be just laying in bed and couldn't move and the thing would be hovering over him.
00:34:51
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and I'll be honest, when I was a kid, I was like, he's making this up for attention. No one taught me about sleep paralysis. And then I didn't like when people got attention that I wanted.
00:35:02
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um And as I've mentioned before, that was always from like people I wanted to respect me because I thought because of my buy into Christianity so like pastors youth pastors things like that and I remember him my parents like scheduling time for him to like talk to the pastor and the youth pastor about it and they would I remember they all like I remember one day everyone circled around him and like prayed like the people who were there and involved with the conversation all like circled around him and prayed over him and stuff like that.
00:35:31
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And it was like, for sure, make it real to a little kid when you do that. Another time that people prayed over him. um So my brothers both have cystic fibrosis um and we were visiting my aunt's church and my mom was not happy about this. um
00:35:51
Speaker
They ah had this, I don't know. It was like a, a share time or a prayer request time. And, um, something came up. Maybe my brother said something about like, yeah, you know he might've been, he would go to the hospital a lot. Like my my brothers would spend like two weeks in the hospital, like almost every year for most of our childhood. So like, He probably had something like that coming up and mentioned it. And like they brought him up um on like the stage after church and like everyone prayed that he would be healed from his cystic fibrosis. My my my mom left or was just like, not my mom was not cool with way and with that. they We didn't come from a faith healing background anyway. She was just like, no, this is a genetic thing. This is what we're dealing with. No one's getting healed from this. It is what it is.
00:36:44
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um So she was really pragmatic about that kind of stuff. so And I remember thinking that was my first experience with people attempting a faith healing. And that was the first time I got those questions in my head about like,
00:36:56
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If this doesn't work, that's kind of like on God, right? Because like we prayed for it. like yeah Yeah, there there must be a your brother must be at fault if it doesn't work, you know? Yeah, it's actually yeah, it's his fault. He didn't believe enough. It is funny. It's like ah it would suck to be. This has never worked ever. Let's try it on the kid who's visiting.
00:37:16
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Yeah, yeah. and The one thing. With a real congenital health failure problem, you know. become i You know, in my line of work, so we do like automotive maintenance, right? you pray over a lot of engines?
00:37:31
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Yeah, in a way. Yeah.
00:37:36
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people People bring you like these things where they're like, hey, ah this engine, this person hasn't changed their oil in 25,000 miles, and it's just a brown putty in there. um Can you dump something in there, magic, that make all the bad go away? Yeah.
00:37:57
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So there's like, the thing is, you know, as a salesman, you know that like there's a chance that you could fix their problem with this whatever. But you, you, as you you know, as you get older, you go, okay well maybe, but if it doesn't fix it, like, even if I give all the caveats here that like, Hey man, this thing's in really bad shape. I'm not sure that I can help, but we can try this. Like,
00:38:23
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In certain situations, even giving all those caveats, you still do damage to like you're standing in the store if you throw this product at it and it doesn't fix it.
00:38:33
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Yeah, okay. So, you know, you're you're choosy about what things you volunteer to get involved with. So, you know, like somebody says like, hey, my transmission's not shifting right. Could we like change the fluid out? Would that fix it? I go, no.
00:38:50
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Yeah. No, if it's not shifting right, it's probably toast. You probably need a new transmission. would think that there would be that level of discernment when it comes to things like faith healing where they're like, hey, um my elbow has been hurting for like two weeks. You'd be like, you know what, brother?
00:39:07
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Let's all gather around and pray over it. You know, like that one's worth a shot. yeah but When it's like, i have i have cystic fibrosis, you would think you'd do an equation in your head and be like, you know what, we're going to pray that that that God helps you with that and that the doctors find ah you know a treatment that makes that works for you.
00:39:29
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Right, right. Less than the... um What's the Less than like the the potential blowback of it not going right, you know? Yeah. Yeah. you It's a plausible deniability. Find a way out on that one. though Those are the kind of prayers that you need to, like, you have to create a solid exit ramp for. You're not trying to, like, lock in like that. You're not on the fucking Autobahn, you know? i give it a shot, but I don't believe in cystic fibrosis, so it's fine for me. But I think that's funny to think about the people doing it. Cause it's like, you know, you could say it was like, it you could say it was, you know, my brother's fault for not believing well enough, but you know,
00:40:08
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yeah and i see what You but when you bring in like 15 people to do it, you also increase the odds of someone not really being like, not really fully believing they might have some doubt. It's like, just get the most sincere people only because you lessen your chances of it going. So when, like I don't know if more prayers help as long as they're sincere, but um I think it's like, know I think three sincere as long as you don't cross them.
00:40:35
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like as long as they're all like omni-directional, like shooting in the same, at the same spot, things are fine. But yeah, if somebody's heart's not in it and they're, you know, if your hose is too, too short and your pumps too weak, you better step, step up or you'll pee on your feet.
00:40:52
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It's that way with prayers. Yeah. ah You know, I also like thinking, I think the problem is you oversaturated the prayer market. You know what i mean? Like, I think three sincere prayers are better than like 15, but one with who's a little bit of a doubting Thomas.
00:41:09
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Yeah. Cause then you're, then everyone, then all 15 of those people have to go home and wonder at night, like, am I the reason it didn't happen? So you just increase the level of prayer anxiety that's going on amongst people. But the best part is they probably never thought about him again afterwards.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yeah. They probably were like, I bet it worked. They probably all like went home and convinced themselves it worked and that he was doing, he's doing great. Everything's great. It's sort of on a spiritual bell curve.
00:41:36
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o Good use of the word bell curve. Yeah. That's your, i I remember that's your favorite book. um One person says that includes cereal. ah We couldn't, when I was a kid, eat Lucky Charms, Count Chocula, or even Frankenberry.
00:41:52
Speaker
So that's, That's a different level of. Because leprechauns. Insanity. oh Dracula and Frankenstein. Got it. All all evil. Leprechauns.
00:42:05
Speaker
Oh, so here's a different one. So off the demon subject, this person says, for sisters wearing a paper towel over your head in the presence of a baptized male during studies.
00:42:17
Speaker
That's nuts. Because they forgot their head covering. At home? Yeah. And this this chick explains, a sister has to wear a head covering if she prays in the presence of a baptized male or if she handles a male responsibility in the absence of any baptized males.
00:42:35
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um They actually came out and said that napkins aren't appropriate, though. I guess that was something many sisters grabbed when in a pinch. It should be a hat or a scarf or something like that.
00:42:48
Speaker
Like to come up like... like what what do what are people even what are they do it's crazy to think there's a bunch of like 50 plus year old men debating these things and that's a full-time job they're like they get they get a full-time human salary to sit around and have those conversations yeah just the dumbest stuff alive So, yeah, um I don't know. Being a Jehovah's Witness sounds awful. Oh, here's a fun one. Fantasizing about which mansion they will take possession of after Armageddon, which okay I can get with that.
00:43:25
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Yeah, I mean, yeah that's something we all do. Yeah, we've all thought about whose house we're moving into if that family was brutally murdered. Yeah, I got one picked out. I know where one of the Koch brothers lives on the east side of Wichita, and I'm taking that place. You and so many, that's going be like purge level, like go get her at it. Everyone's going for that one, dude.
00:43:47
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's the Carg Island of Wichita. Like I'm sure we can destroy it. I'm sure I can occupy it. I just don't know how long I can hold it. Yeah. If I can't have it, nobody else can.
00:43:59
Speaker
Right. You're just ringing it with C4 preemptively. Yeah. That's how I treat everything after the ah the nuclear apocalypse. is like I can't have it. No one can. and I'm going to eat as many eggs as I can. Then I'm going to like river dance over all the rest.
00:44:23
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Okay. So moving on to a ah different one. but Let me interject. I got a quick one. This is just a quick question. And I'm curious. I mean, I would like to hear your input on this as well. um Asking for a friend because he asked me and I couldn't answer.
00:44:41
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Real quick, one sentence. Is it a sin for a male to wear women's underwear because they find it more comfortable?
00:44:52
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Well, it's a lie to say that that's why you're doing it ah Which is a sin. i i don't believe you. The poison trees is as a good take.
00:45:04
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Yes, there are a wide plethora of men's underwear options to choose from, all kinds of fabrics and models. Therefore, it is a sin to wear women's underwear. Why would it be a sin to wear like a certain gender of underwear, though?
00:45:19
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I have a feeling a lot of these people are thinking something a little cutesy. um I'm not sure what type of women's underwear is available that would be more comfortable for men.
00:45:32
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I think we're missing the real, the real like crux of this question here, which is their friend has a micro penis. Um, And that's just not what they want to talk about. So they just decided to say women. They saw the whale tail coming up in the back and they're like, are you wearing women's underwear? He goes, ah I find them more comfortable because he doesn't want to disclose this bit of personal information.
00:45:56
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Um, the Duke farm though, the duck farm has, um, has some interesting thoughts on it. Uh, I I'd say, you know, I like the, the nuance that they approach this with because the poison trees is just very black and white. He views the world very cut and dry. Yes. No.
00:46:15
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Options available for men. Yes, it's a sin. The duck farm is a little more a little more nuanced. He also has the um the qualifier under his name that he is a Roman Catholic. So take everything he says with a grain of salt because he's clearly potentially more likely to be demon possessed than the rest of us. Yeah, not trustworthy.
00:46:35
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But it says it totally depends on the motivation. And, you know, leading with the with that God cares about the heart, I think, is an important way to do this. um More in line with the teachings of Christ. he says, if it is really just about fit, it's not a sin.
00:46:53
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Though I can't imagine how it could possibly be more comfortable, men and women are built differently. If the motivation is to feel like a woman, then it's sinful. I do know some men who like women's leggings for backing, but that's not exactly the same thing as underwear.
00:47:11
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For backing? i I don't know what that means, actually. Yeah, I'm not sure either. I mean, I feel like probably, probably 99% chance that like,
00:47:23
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it's a fetish thing. And, the person got caught and they're like, well, it's just more comfortable. Uh, you can kind of find men's underwear that are any shape and fabric and whatnot. Right. You get a banana hammock.
00:47:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, I know that my uncle used to wear those. Oh, nice. I don't know why the full boom hour. Yeah.
00:47:52
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This person has a little bit more of a lengthy answer, but let's see what they have to say. Oh, and they're Protestant, so we can trust them. ah There's many underwear designs, underwears in quotes for some reason, maybe because this person likes to wear their underwear as overwear, or they don't believe in designating in and identifying clothing as such. Clothing is just clothing.
00:48:15
Speaker
I highly doubt that many panties is comfortable to contain men's groin parts. Yeah. Groin parts. Mini panties too. Like we're also assuming that like, I mean, we're assuming that if this person, i don't know how this person knows their friend wears women's underwear. Like what did they see? What is the context? Like I want more information. than This person asking about themselves. Is it, here's a question for this guy. Is it a sin to type the word panties?
00:48:44
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Yeah. It depends on the heart. Was he hard when he typed it? If he was, then it's a sin. He was on his way. And then you, so one of the things I saw was about someone made it, ah it was a, what I read one earlier about whether or not it's a sin to, and I had this conversation in my early twenties as well.
00:49:05
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um So it brought back like, you know, just like war wartime flashbacks, I guess. Is it a sin to get a slight buzz with your friends if you're not getting completely drunk? And then it's just the debate on like, what's the line? When are you drunk? How many beers is too many? Well, it depends on your build, your size, your this or that. Like,
00:49:26
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Will they see your panties? oh yeah are Are you... ah like Is your judgment compromised that could lead you to sin? And you're like, the problem with your judgment being compromised is when you're drinking, you don't recognize that your judgment is compromised. It's just you wake up the next morning feeling like an asshole. That's how that works. yeah You said a thing that was on your mind that should have stayed in there, but it didn't.
00:49:53
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um So it's like... trying to like use that line of like, so were you hard? No, but I had a slight c chub. Does that count? It depends. um You know, what are what are some other reasons you might get a slight chub? Can you, can you have a slight chub and not think of things sexually? Then you don't like these conversations. he Really bad. So stupid. Yeah.
00:50:17
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Yeah, if you have to pee really bad and then you start peeing and you get a boner and it makes it hard to pee. That's not a sin. Unless you start jerking off while peeing. Now you're sinning. And you're also at a urinal in public and people don't appreciate that.
00:50:31
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um If you don't use your hands to remove it from your pants and you plank on the toilet rather than touching it, then I think you're okay. Yeah, just dip it in the water a little bit so your pee stream goes directly into the water and it doesn't make a splash back. Stir the tea.
00:50:48
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na ah But I can understand why other kinds of underwear category design might be comfortable to men. Your friend might be looking for supportive underwear and doesn't know where to find supportive underwear tailored to male physique. Hence, he's utilizing the best thing he has available. For comfort, he's better off looking for underwear properly tailored to his to getting getting getting made to tailor underwear for men. That's nice that I like this person's suggestion.
00:51:16
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Even amongst women's underwear, it's still not one design fit all body shape. oh Okay. um On the side note, I do have a suspicion your friend might not mean actually physically comfort, but mental comfort. Just like some women do not feel mentally comfortable unless they look a certain way in public. Idolatry is not a sin. Both genders can fall into it. Idolatry is a sin. Both genders can fall into that sin. So the person this person's problem is their idolatry.
00:51:48
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idolizing women's panties is is what the problem is. He put the panties on a pedestal and that is not okay.
00:51:58
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ah There's so many stupid questions you can ask. ra This is, this is it Casey. This is what you said. i think the more relevant, the more relevant sin here is that it's a sin to lie about why you want to wear women's underwear.
00:52:13
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but He put it so eloquently too. I love it. But that's between you and God. God, get right with God and you won't need to ask such questions.
00:52:27
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Yeah, they will know you by your works. Sadly, I wear unisex diapers 100% of the day and night as I'm fully incontinent and can't hold urine at all. Not sure what the Bible says about that.
00:52:41
Speaker
Dang, that's a comment. I like that guy. He's on that troll game. a It makes sense. He's... um Oh, no, I thought he's not Pentecostal.
00:52:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, he is. That one's Pentecostal. That makes sense. Because when it makes sense, because if you're, yeah, maybe he's incontinent. That's a side note, because the real issue is when you're Pentecostal and you have to attend a 36 hour prayer hootenanny, you have no choice but to piss in your pants.
00:53:14
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That is true. Yeah. And I think at that point, like your, your internal reaction to ah wearing a wet diaper kind of determines a lot about your spiritual maturity and and overall journey.
00:53:30
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Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think, ah you know, also the the type that you wear makes a big difference. I was at ah Costco the other day and it's funny, you know, I guess they're unisex, but I think this person's slightly living in sin because when we were going up and down the aisles, I think were looking for maybe formula. I don't remember what we looking for, but we got to the end of of the Costco aisle up towards the front where they have the the adult, you know, the adult diapers, the Depends.
00:53:58
Speaker
And they actually had... One's for men and one's for women. So if you ask me, this person ah is living in sin because there is, I mean, yeah, unisex is okay, but when you have the option to choose between men's and women's, why wouldn't you?
00:54:15
Speaker
You're basically, you just chose non-binary and I don't agree with that.
00:54:25
Speaker
Okay, so take so casey I got to go to this one ah because i have ah i have feelings about this person. Okay. And want to see if ah if you react in the same way.
00:54:37
Speaker
Well, while you pull it up, give me a quick time out.
Personal Values and Social Judgments
00:54:41
Speaker
I have a child. All right, so I read this one earlier. i have a hard time ah not commenting on some of these. Some of them I do comment on. Yeah, yeah, it's impossible not to.
00:54:54
Speaker
Sometimes i have a genuine, you know, thought and I i ah try to give some advice or whatever. It's never welcome, even if it's nice and heartfelt.
00:55:09
Speaker
um Other times it's hard not just it's hard to just not be mean. Yes, that's why some of my comments get deleted somewhat regularly. There was one i saw the other day where This girl basically describes driving her fiance to suicide.
00:55:30
Speaker
Okay. And then, you know... she's like asking for prayers so she can move on with her life and not be troubled by, uh, you know, the memories of it. stuff It was, it was like, oh my word, you are a terrible person. Like the, the, it was wild. Like you should be in jail. Why, why, how did they get away with that? Were there details?
00:55:58
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Um, well, is it wasn't brazen enough where they could convict her. She yeah, it wasn't like in a criminal sense. It was more or less just like ah she kind of like she kind of aided in this guy's life falling apart while they were engaged.
00:56:16
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And then basically like, you know, used her friends as, ah a you know, a reason to completely abandon him, you know, with a, you know, major injury and and cut him off from like, hey yeah i don't I don't remember all the specifics of it, but it was like, ah oh, wow, you've...
00:56:37
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not only did you like ruin this person's life and then you just washed your hands of him. And now you're like, I need prayer because I've met someone new and I'm ready to move on.
00:56:50
Speaker
Cool. So, okay. So it wasn't like she left after a situation, which like you could say is, a problem depending on the circumstances but not necessarily cut and dry um but she was directly responsible for or had some level of responsibility for his life ending up the way it was and then when and then left and when she wasn't satisfied yeah with that okay okay She helped did to to two completely destroy his mental state and his financial stability and his overall prospects in life.
00:57:27
Speaker
Nice. And then dumped him off. and he A real Jezebel. Yeah, she thought she was very godly, though. Anyways, this is not nearly, this is nothing like that. But I found this one kind of entertaining.
00:57:44
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um It's from Various Sympathy. And it says prayer requests for couples who waited for marriage. I am a virgin girl in my twenties who made a promise to God young to save my first kiss for marriage. I am still saving myself for marriage, including my first kiss. I've never engaged in any form of sexual intimacy with anybody.
00:58:05
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All right, fine. Hey, that's what you want to do or power to you. You know, no problem. I wouldn't say that, but I appreciate your support for it If that's your personal choice to do that and you think it's important. never your personal choice. that is that It's never your personal choice. that's That is an act that is forced upon you by some cultural bullshit. That is nobody's first choice. That is guilt ridden shame down to the core.
00:58:35
Speaker
Well, get ready to not feel so sorry for her. I mean, I already don't. I shouldn't say I don't. You can be in that situation and I go, oh my God, I'm sorry you're such a victim. I can't wait to not feel that way. So please go on.
00:58:51
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Turns out, in this society full of women absorbed by hookup culture, this decision embitters women who didn't wait for marriage. I've lost many quote-unquote Christian friends because they were bitter and petty over not having waited for marriage, even if they re-waited for marriage or actively or were actively re-waiting.
00:59:13
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Yeah, so like her conviction and steadfastness is just a real stumbling block for other women. um I've heard so many women say they don't regret not waiting. But if these women were truly happy with their decision, I don't believe it would trigger them so badly when a woman who decides to remain a virgin until she's married shows up. shows up This has literally been a pattern with every woman, young or old, I've dealt with who did not wait for marriage. Catty, backbiting, petty, passive-aggressive attitudes towards me for my decision to wait. Sometimes it came out early on.
00:59:52
Speaker
More recently, it's been manifesting on the back end of my interactions with these women. It has made it hard for me not to become bitter towards them because though this is my free will choice to keep this promise I made to God, nobody said that was easy or has been painless.
01:00:09
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This woman needs to Google the word asexual before she ruins a man's life.
01:00:18
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I have no desire to compromise my values. I don't believe in any form of sexual contact before marriage. I don't believe kissing before marriage is a sin, but I know my own limits and set this boundary for myself because I know it it's what I need to remain chaste. Is there anything worse than people who think that the highest virtue of all is unwavering on their quote unquote values?
01:00:44
Speaker
Yeah, your value of chastity. yeah Any value. Like, push someone hard enough and if they're an honest person. they Like, if you go, i believe in I believe in passivity and nonviolence. It's like, theoretically, that could probably make you hit me. Like, just stop. Admit that we are. they Just admit it. Don't be like that. admit it.
01:01:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's and it's so weird. I mean, and this is a cultural thing within that realm, but it's like, OK, you have this like deep felt conviction, but by definition, like you're going to give this up someday.
01:01:25
Speaker
Right. yeah And you may argue like it's under the right circumstances or whatever, but like we're not dealing with a concrete moral issue here. if at some point it becomes right to do it the other way.
01:01:36
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You know what I mean? This is why people hate her. Yeah. um it In real life, I've asked many people for prayer for me to just keep my promise to God and not give up.
01:01:51
Speaker
Now I'm creating this anonymous thread to ask for prayer from married couples who made the tough decision to wait for success over my journey. Thank you. I'm going to pray that she stumbles.
01:02:05
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It'll be the first legitimate prayer I've uttered in years. I'll just be like, and it'll be the most sincere heartfelt thing. And if God doesn't pull through, I won't i absolutely refuse to come back. Yeah. I, I, I pray that you have a limited contact, a dry humping orgasm with somebody that you're really excited about.
01:02:26
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I, i and you'll And you'll go, I don't know if I care about this that much anymore. hey The irony, too, is like I'm not convinced that the other people are the better ones.
01:02:38
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There's a tone here. No. It's unbearable. No one wants to date you because your ideals are so stupid. It's just so funny. like It's like I commented on I was like, this is seriously ruining your friendships with other women? Like, how does it even come up?
01:02:57
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It's hard to imagine how you're having this many conversations with all these people about your personal vow. Would a given group of people have frequent interpersonal conflicts? You kind of have to examine what or who is the common denominator in those situations. Maybe you are annoyingly chased. Yeah.
01:03:17
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That's it. She can't go anywhere without bringing it up. Every single, she ruins every breakfast, every like everything, every day, every night out with the girls. She brings this up.
01:03:29
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This is the, this is that absolutely equipment, male equivalent of like, I'm so persecuted for my faith because I can't hang out with my friends without telling them how much more holy I am or convinced, trying to talk to my unsaved friends about why they need to become Christians. Like it's the same thing. It's bullshit.
01:03:46
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Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants to talk to me about my like conquest over pornography or whatever. yeah Give me a break. Just shut up. Just but also like if you're if you really feel this strongly about it, then then do it.
01:04:02
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Stop talking about it to everyone. Like stop bringing it up all the time. You know, I have like a personal commitment or two that I've made. And nobody knows about it except for me.
01:04:15
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And I do that because chances are I'll, ah I'll break it at some point. and If nobody knows, but me only, I know that I did. If nobody knows, but you, You're the only one who can be mad at yourself for drinking, or ah for not drinking that, for drinking that ninth energy drink that day.
01:04:32
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You know? Yeah. You're like, I'm only going to do eight a day for my one. Yeah, ordering ice cream for dinner. this woman screams of the personality type that gets married, has sex once, and goes, it's not for me. And then,
01:04:47
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gives her husband shit about not living up to her values. Like, well, this is just a value I've set for myself that I want to remain abstinent for the rest of my life.
01:04:59
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Yeah. And like the people that like comment on it are so ridiculous because it's just the same level of like peacocking, you know? This guy says, don't share this. They're all deep in here afterwards trying to get a date too. Because now now she's become the kind of person they're like, yeah, I agree. I think that's ridiculous. And then they're like, maybe I can get her to break those vows.
01:05:21
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Yeah, it's a bunch of people being like, I did what you did, and it is wonderful. The way that I did it was the best. Just prayed for you, lovely. God invented intimacy, so of course, his design is the most wonderful way to experience it. My husband and I never once regretted waiting. Your conviction is admirable, especially your self-awareness around the slippery slope of temptation.
01:05:47
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God honors your obedience and your trust in his plan. It's like, is it the best way to experience it? Because I think I think we can blow this idea out of the water quick. Right. Right. Because you're you're coming at this in the perspective of someone who's only done that one thing.
01:06:05
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There's a reason why everybody else in your life who didn't do it is like, you're wrong. Like, I can tell you by experience, you're wrong. Nobody cares. You don't think about it afterwards. You don't think about the other people. You don't think about the other people you've kissed. You just don't. You don't care. I don't think about the other people my wife kissed.
01:06:23
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I don't care. It does. that It's so like fucking irrelevant. It's so good. Most of these people like like me, they marry like the first person they date, you know, and like you especially don't care about the fact that you didn't wait with the person that you married.
01:06:40
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You know, like you don't care about this. No. After you're married, you don't care about this unless you want to lord it over other people. No, I regret it. I actually regret it. That was so stupid. i I wasted some of the horniest years of my life for what That is true. and look the the the Literally the horniest news of your life were wasted on some goofy principle that didn't matter because I married the only person I ever was ever going to have sex with. Like this, as soon as I got married, I go, why wasn't I doing this sooner? That was my first thought. Should have been doing this sooner.
01:07:19
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Yeah, and then, like, ah whatever you did do was immediately followed by, like, an obligatory, like, expression of guilt, you know which is stupid. Like, that's the thing that makes me angry sometimes is thinking about, like,
01:07:35
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You know, we had we had a lot of fun during it while we were dating. But like it was always like the specter of this just like, oh, boy, we're on a slippery slope right now. Like this is so dangerous what we're doing and we really need to remain vigilant. I'm i'm sorry that i i I kissed you and this and that. It's like so dumb. dude. It's such a waste of like a time, like that time should be yeah nothing but fun between two people. And like, it just introduces this really stupid, worthless element into all of it.
01:08:08
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And at the end of the day, like you get married and you don't, you don't care. You don't care. You have not a second thought about it. Like if you still care about purity culture after you're married, like it's only because you want to weaponize it against the people around you who aren't married yet. Yeah, it's only because you're insanely jealous that you're kind of unsatisfied and wish you had so much more sex with other people before you got married. Like, that's it.
01:08:35
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You're like, yeah, my so despite what I say to my youth group, despite what I say from the pulpit to the youth group of 13 to 17-year-olds about how awesome my smoking hot wife is and how great everything is in bed, we pretty much have a sexless marriage. And I wish I was tearing up pussy before we got married. Now, I'm not going to let you guys have that because I don't want to be jealous of a bunch of 14-year-old horndogs.
01:09:02
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what where Where were you when you first kissed Jill? Her parents' basement. Oh. What were you what were you you? Were you there on a date? No. Her and were friends for a while before we started dating.
01:09:19
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um She thought you were a safe gay friend. Yeah. it' Wouldn't be the first time. flipped the script on her. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah. And then it just kind of, you know, shifted in. Like we started like do it, you know, we didn't like, it wasn't like a, this is a thing at first. It was like, cause we, all it was like, well we all hung out as friends and then, um and then i would just start hanging over there. People would leave. I'd hang out friends for a while. And then, you know, eventually things happen and,
01:09:51
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You're like making out for months before you're like, what is what are we? What is this? And then, yeah. What about you? um My truck in a Sonic parking lot.
01:10:04
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Damn. I actually thought i would nailed it. It was at night and we were on the railroad tracks right below campus. You know how they like, you know, you had to cross those railroad tracks when you went down to the Sonic. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:18
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So we were like walking on those. We'd been hanging out for like a couple of weeks and had gone on like a couple of makeshift dates and stuff. And I remember we were like sitting on the railroad tracks and I finally like worked up the courage to lean in for the kiss.
01:10:34
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Imagine if I had to be back for curfew. So like I ran back and I remember we had like a hall meeting. So everybody was gathered up and stuff. And I went back and I was standing there and you're washing your in the bathroom sink like no one can know right and Dan were looking at me they're like what I'm like what like what's up with you like I nothing what's up with you they're like oh you you kissed her didn't shoot you like the the the baby
01:11:05
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you had the post-coitus glow just from kissing that's so cute yeah Imagine if April got hit by a train on those tracks that night and how much for the rest of your life you have been wondering if it was God punishing you for sinning like that.
01:11:19
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I might have gone to the mission field. could be yeah I could be making like ah people in Indonesia miserable right now. yeah yes ah Yeah. So the comments are just full of that kind of stuff. Just like people being like,
01:11:36
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ah John Wazellwood says, you forgot that you are living in the age where people think they are that it is their right, almost a responsibility to tell you how to live your life and how your choices are not good ones.
01:11:50
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But heaven forbid that you voice your opinion on something they are doing. I've had it happen way too many times in my own life, and I'm sure that it will continue. Good luck. Be true to yourself and don't change.
01:12:03
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This dude has some shit to work out with his parents. Yeah. My parents keep telling me that my my dream of selling and trading Pokemon cards for a living isn't acceptable.
01:12:15
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Now, this is one that ah is definitely... I feel that this is a marriage that's probably doomed Um, husband says he is no longer okay with me being a stay at home mom. How do I process this? And to me, I was like, oh, he wants her to, you know, like he wants two incomes or something like that, you know, whatever, which is just reality when we live in hell.
01:12:40
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Yeah. That is what's funny as you read. This is like a lot of people don't have this opportunity, you know, So it says, meet my me, 24 female, my husband, 24 male, and I recently got married six months ago.
01:12:55
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We don't have kids yet, but are planning to in a few years, both working and saving money right now. Okay. We've had a couple conversations on this topic where he says he wants to be a stay-at-home dad.
01:13:07
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He knows I always imagine being a stay-at-home mom when we've talked about having kids together. I just assume this is what it would look like. so He wants to be a stay-at-home dad.
01:13:18
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That's cool. So you think, okay. Honestly, everybody wants... That would be great. Are you kidding me? To be... to be Like this conversation is only like, a well, there's some cultural challenges to it, but particularly more so in Christianity. I knew, I knew a couple and the the guy was a stay at home dad and the wife was a doctor and it worked out great. And he was like a crazy handy person could fucking just figure out anything. um
01:13:52
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so when they bought a house it was like yeah kids go to school and he gets shit done like renovating the backyard doing all this sort stuff it was cool like they worked out and um but you could tell still that there was some like hang-ups around it like they because of you know cultural christianity and just culture in general um But it's like, I like when you have two people arguing about who gets to be the stay at home parent. And it's just like, literally one of them just like, I fucking hate working. Like you don't have kids yet. You're like, I just don't want to work. Like I'm already planning on figuring out how work. Um,
01:14:27
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um And I can say like when you know when I went on paternity leave and stuff, there are a lot of days where I'm like, I'd rather be at work right now. Like even though you're – it's not easy. um And the best part is when you have family to help out because everybody wants to hang out with the baby one day a week. But when you do it five days a week and you're like, I i don't – It's hard. It's it's it's hard to to do that constantly. So for people who are stay at home parents, like I know people like like it's a privilege. Don't get me. right It is a privilege because financially it's not super feasible in this economy. But.
01:15:06
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The choice is hard. The act is a difficult thing. Right. And some of it's personality-based. There are a lot of people who are like, I love this. I love every second of it. I never get tired of it. I'm happy to do it. And that's personality-based. It would be the shining at my house. if we Eventually, I'm going to axe murder everyone. Because, dude, if I have to stay home for three days, I'm like...
01:15:33
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I'm losing it. I couldn't do it. And it's like, if, if we were in a financial situation where we could decide who would do it, you know, my wife would do it immediately. um And I'd be like, that's fine. I'll i'll go to work.
01:15:46
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That would be the, like, based on our personalities, that would be the a solution that would naturally, we would naturally come to. Can't you mentor like richer kids? Yeah.
01:16:00
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If I could figure out. Oh God, he's never thought about it before. If I could figure out. If you could figure out how to fleece their parents. Yeah. You know, that'd be yeah an option. feel The Dalton school is a good place to start out. I heard. The amount of the amount of time that lately that I've been just thinking of get rich quick schemes is stupid.
01:16:21
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel that. Like the ideal option is that we have enough money. Somehow we come into enough money where neither my wife or I have to work. That would be, that's the perfect scenario.
01:16:34
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I would be so good with that. People go, Oh, people need to work. You need to get back to work. I'm telling you when I'm as a working in public schools on summer vacation, never want to end. I would love to never go back to work.
01:16:46
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Yeah, it's I think it's just like a personality thing. I have to I
Gender Roles and Relationship Dynamics
01:16:51
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have to work. Even if I had like all the money in the world, like I would have to work doing it would be fun to choose what you worked on. You know sure what you did. That was great. I would do stuff. I would learn things.
01:17:03
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I'd be like, oh, now I don't have to hire somebody to do this shit around my house because I have eight hours a day of free time to figure it out. Like, I would learn what type of wonder women's underwear was most comfortable. I would, I would get a subscription, dude. 10 pairs a week until I found the perfect one. So I could go back to that, to that Reddit post and be like, I get it now.
01:17:27
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This dude walked into the right pair of women's underwear and it changed his life. And now I get it.
01:17:35
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Uh, so I think like the mindset of The two is what is interesting about this and why it seems like it's probably heading a bad direction.
01:17:46
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um So she says, I am also aware that he hates working, but I assumed he over the idea of quitting and more so hoping for a remote job so he could still be at home.
01:17:58
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ah We've been carefully figuring out how much money we need to save for a down payment on a house. So only one of us has to work to afford the mortgage because we both agree we don't want to put our kids in daycare.
01:18:09
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daycare The thing is, now he's saying that he's feeling really jealous of me that I get to quit my job in a few years. I feel like I'm going crazy because I specifically remember him telling me that I can be a stay-at-home mom, but now he's claiming he never agreed to that, and he thinks he would be better that he would be the better stay-at-home parent, and it's not fair for me to have to work just because to not have to work just because i'm a woman.
01:18:35
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It's like, well, boy, there's a lot of red flags in there. this Yeah, that's a real ah that's a real servant's heart that he has there.
01:18:47
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And look, if if you go the nursing category, like the nursing route is so much easier. Like I get there's a lot of reasons people can't do that. um My wife breastfeed breastfed all of our children and it made it's to.
01:19:02
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When your kids like decides they're hungry and they decide to scream at you and you have to spend 15 minutes getting a bottle ready and heating it up. That's annoying as shit when another option is right in front of their face.
01:19:14
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So like that, that is a, that's a challenge. That's the, it adds a lot. Something tells me based on the way this is going, that this guy um and how he feels about doing things is probably not the most equipped to be the stay at home day.
01:19:30
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No, and maybe ah maybe not ideal for being a husband or a father. Yeah, not the guy you want to procreate with. It's like, oh boy, we're thinking a lot about ourselves, aren't we? Yeah.
01:19:44
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Like this lady typing it it sounds like she actually has a vision of like how she would be, you know, she would love to be a mom and be at home and take care of the kids. And she talks about like cooking and this and that and the other in there. And like and they have a plan to save up money. Yeah, they do. they I mean, it sounds legit. It sounds like like like.
01:20:04
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This isn't just haphazard. This is like, yeah, we have a whole set plan on how much money we need to save. And we're being, I'm down for being responsible and doing what got do to get there. And then in a few years we get that house and have a low mortgage. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. that I mean, it sounds like that they had the plan and now he's like, he wants to raise children.
01:20:23
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he wants to not work. Yes. Yes. it's It's ridiculous. um Is it really selfish of me to assume that I would stay home and take care of our kids slash the house while he works? It's not like I would be on the couch relaxing either. I know how hard my work my mom worked to put home cooked meals on the table every day and I plan to do the same.
01:20:45
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And what do I do now? Obviously divorce is not what I'm looking for. I just don't know how to process this disagreement if neither of us is interested in working a job. This whole thing just brings breaks my heart. I know the traditional gender roles are going out of style, but I can't help but feel like the rug was just pulled from off from under me.
01:21:05
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And I don't even know if kids are a good idea anymore. Prayers and advice appreciated. Damn. She's thinking about not having kids over this. I mean, the fact that she's thinking about not having kids over this because the like she wants, like that that was her idea. that's That's a little, no, it's not.
01:21:25
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ah based excuse me based on what we know about the husband to potentially not want kids is reasonable um if it was like more ultimatum me like you can see in other Reddit threads where it's just like I want what I want or it's over we're not having kids and the husband like really wants them but she says no for some arbitrary reason because of how she's not happy and like holds it over their head. Like, okay, then you're in some weird territory, but she's, they they, I believe her that they talked about this ahead of time, especially being, you know, Christian. It's likely that they talk about this ahead of time. He was like, yeah, that'd be great if he could be a stay at home mom. Now he's miserable in his job and he's trying to walk back everything that they had.
01:22:07
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ah Honestly, dude, bro, get a fucking remote job. Don't be a bitch. dude Remote jobs. You work about four and a half hours a day. Like we know that. That's yeah, it's, it's fine. It's just fake conference calls.
01:22:21
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I have a friend who works a remote job and he works. He's, he also stays at home with their kid when his wife goes to work and she works a few days a week. And it's like, he, he, he bought that little machine that moves your mouse. So you're always available and he gets everything to his phone. Like he's making it work and he probably is on like, yeah, he probably works like four and a half, five hours a day.
01:22:47
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it's It also seems like they're young, so maybe this is just a young man who doesn't really understand the responsibility that he's taken on by like you know getting married and potentially having a family and stuff. Maybe he'll grow into that role a little bit, you know?
01:23:08
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But it it is maybe no I think he sounds like a child that doesn't want to work anymore. He's looking for an easy way out. And now you've now when it comes to just work, the thing that everybody expects to do for the rest of their life, and you're trying to find your way out of that and using children as an excuse and like hanging that over like your wife said that's kind of wild. Like if she was making like, you know, 150 grand a year and he was making $40,000 a year, that changes things. Talk about how much money you guys are making like that, that, that changes things, but it sounds like it's probably about equal based on the way this was written.
01:23:46
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Yeah. It doesn't sound like there's a big difference, or at least it's not mentioned whether or not there's like a big difference between their incomes, but I honestly, you have to figure that like, if to if I was given real advice, it'd be, have you shared these concerns the way you have on Reddit with your husband?
01:24:05
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Like you have to fucking figure this out and I'd write it out for a year. And if you can't be like, I don't, I know divorce is a touchy subject in Christian marriages, but it's like, sorry, I have a feeling you'd be able to get a lot of people in a church on your side. If you were like, my husband doesn't want to work And he wants to, because of X, y and z And, uh, that's, yeah, he, he's, he's shown me that he's not the kind of person that I even think we can have a viable family with. Like, and I caught him wearing my underwear.
01:24:37
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Say that, put them on yeah while he's sleeping. That the deal with church crowds. Slide your undies on him while he's sleeping. Put another, you know, just, And then take a good picture and then hold that over his head.
01:24:50
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and All good marriages are built on blackmail. So just, I'd say roll with that.
01:24:57
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Look at the Clintons, you know? Yeah, it's working. they've I mean, how long have they been married? they've They've survived affairs, the Epstein files. they I mean, they're doing great, dude. Yeah.
01:25:09
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their Their love has changed. Insider trading. it's lasted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I mean, i think that probably, you know, I mentioned Insider Trade. I think what it goes to show you is that there's no greater bond than a couple that Insider Trades together. Right. Do you think this couple is like, you think this couple is having sex?
01:25:32
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Because I feel like he's probably a real pouty about it. Yeah, yeah. um yu that's a I can't speak for ladies, but it seems like... um there's ah There's probably nothing less sexy to a woman than like ah like a nookie brat.
01:25:52
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Yeah, like she doesn't want to have sex with them. So like when you ask if they're having sex, ah if you if you asked if she wants to have sex with them, I would say the answer is no. ah But it's hard to know in certain Christian marriages if they are because a lot of women believe that it's just their duty to put out when their husband goes, my dick's hard.
01:26:10
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Yeah, and their quiver's empty. Yeah. So he's supposed to be empty too.
01:26:19
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He just wants to stay home and goon to, uh, that's what, I mean, honestly, at this point, like her best thing to do is to like, get into his phone or whatever, and just, just find the porn that he's watching because he's probably what, like there's a, you know, statistically speaking, he's watching porn. So you, then you just, that that's your get out of jail free card right there.
01:26:43
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Yeah, it's all ah it's all lactation stuff. Pregnant porn. It's something unsettling. Yeah.
Decision Making in Relationships
01:26:52
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ah Well, you know what? um My advice would be, hey, take a little time here, but don't get pregnant until you sort this out. Also, don't put that down payment on the house until you sort this out.
01:27:07
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That's good advice. Yes. Maybe squirrel your, maybe squirrel your portion of it away. Maybe be like, they've probably already entangled their finances, but the ah good move would be like, Hey, look, we need to figure this out.
01:27:21
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Um, until we can, you save your portion of the money. I'll save my portion of the money. Yeah. My nest egg, my choice. and and And if we, uh, If we work it out, then we can buy a house together. If we don't, this isn't going to work out.
01:27:37
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And I'll take my, you know, 30K and bounce. Yeah. Have a kid with somebody else. My actual egg, my choice. Yeah.
01:27:50
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Yeah. So many options available to you. So that's one. should get in couple's therapy. Yeah, we should. we want to tackle one more? i don't I don't think so.
01:28:02
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i gotta to My kid's having a tough time sleeping. I hate having to do that. but No, it's all right. We've got plenty for next time. Because I'm an actual husband who helps take care of the kids and isn't looking for a way out to do nothing. um I'm going to pinch it.
01:28:18
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Hey, so my wife can get a couple hours. I've nursed my daughter with a broken leg back from the brink. And you know what? I took her outside and stood beside her while she took dumps in the yard. And then i actively kept her from eating those dumps.
01:28:35
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immediately afterwards. And so, uh, you know, you don't tell me about being in the trenches. All right. I would, I would never, I think what you do to tell me, i mean, when you nurse, and when you say you nursed your dog, I know you let your dog suckle straight from the teat from you. i know you do what you got to do for your dog.
01:28:55
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, some of us just built different, you know what i mean? Yeah. Like an Arctic penguin. Yeah.
01:29:08
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01:29:40
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