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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Maine & Maryland
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Road Trip continues while we celebrate independence day!
Maryland (0.59 - 28:16) Lisa takes us on a horrid trip with Joe Methany and his twisted crimes straight out of a TV show.
Maine (28:17 - end) Faith takes us on an over 100 year trip with Elmer McCurdy and the "Embalmed Bandit" that will blow your mind!
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Transcript
Introduction and Banter
00:00:06
Speaker
Well, hello, hello again, and thanks for tuning in to another summer series road trip with Twisted Tales. I'm Faith. I am Lisa. And we're here again. Sorry. We have nothing better to do, so. I have plenty of other things to do. Join us. I neglect them because this is more fun. Yeah, I don't have anything I want to be doing. There you go. Like I've got plenty of things I could be doing, but nothing I want to. In a nutshell. So, you ready to rock, paper, scissors?
00:00:36
Speaker
Uh, sure. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ah, you lost twice. You can't, you can keep rock, paper, scissors. No, I was also aggravated. You lost. You're not still rocking, papering, and scissoring. Okay? Alright. You don't want to be the one to go first. I hope Marilyn will go.
Exploring Joe Methany: True Crime Discussion
00:00:57
Speaker
Well, clearly I got Marilyn. Uh, that's where I'm going to start out today. Um,
00:01:03
Speaker
I know we don't do a whole lot of the whole trigger warning thing anymore because we're all like, you know, explicit and all that jazz. It's a true crime podcast. Yeah, it's gonna get gross. Everything is gonna be murder mayhem and, you know, bad things, basically. Right. So the guy that I am going to be talking about this evening is a real class act. Okay. Just, he's wonderful. And I hope you can hear the disdain and sarcasm in my voice because
00:01:32
Speaker
Yeah. So let's get started. Let me bring up some of my notes here. All right. So here we got this guy and his name is and guys, just before we get started, I got to show faith this picture because he just looks evil. OK, it. I don't even know how else to say it. Dang it, I know who you're doing.
00:01:55
Speaker
Bare eyes. Yeah, he's on my list. Oh, I know. I know all about him. Oh, figures. Mainly because it's like my favorite episode of Criminal Minds ever. I swear. I was going to reference that. That's OK. Yeah, based on a not based on a true crime, my booty. Right. But for those of you that don't know, his name is Joe Methany.
Methany's Background and Crimes
00:02:17
Speaker
Um. Whoo, I am so sorry.
00:02:21
Speaker
He joined the ranks of serial killers and their victims based solely on the fact that he was a prick all right so before we get into anything I thought the research that I did on him was kind of funny because I Went and I listened to a bunch of podcasts and I read up some stuff just you know certain journals different different pieces that were written on this guy and A lot of the information that was given was based on his own account when he was actually arrested
00:02:47
Speaker
so yeah he was like the dumbest person ever right well but here's the thing though so he's like giving his his description of his like past life and he's like oh we grew up and there was a horrible environment and this that and whatever and his his mom was like no we had food on the table his mother yeah she's like i worked three jobs to make sure that everybody ate that everybody got to school like you to feed that man
00:03:14
Speaker
That was rude. He is not. He is, but he's like, he's just huge. Like I'm not saying just because he's overweight, like he's like eight feet tall. It looks like he's just huge. Yeah. He was, he was a Sasquatch for sure. Yeah. For sure. Um, but again, mom totally like rejected the stuff that he claimed. Yeah. Cause he's a liar, liar. Yeah. And then at another point he was talking about how, Oh, well I did a, um, you know, I joined the army. I did a stent in the Vietnam war, which was what had been going on.
00:03:43
Speaker
Previously, OK, so he's saying, oh, well, I did my stint over here and I fought in this war and mom was like.
00:03:51
Speaker
I'm pretty sure the last of the soldiers were coming home when you registered to serve. And I'm actually like, I'm pretty positive that you didn't even travel overseas. So, but again, here's say, I don't know. We don't know. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he was not his mother's favorite child. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that mom was like, bro,
00:04:17
Speaker
Just shut up. Like, you got to stop talking. So I'm sorry, I had to just throw that little bit of history out only because I thought it was the only time that like I've ever researched something where I'm talking about somebody else's past and their mom was like, that didn't happen. No, seriously, that no, that probably not so much. No, no. So.
00:04:40
Speaker
Well since we know so much about this case already Why don't we just have fun and and discuss the whole the whole dealio? It's really my favorite criminal ever with Jamie. What's this name? Yep. Yep Kennedy. Yes, Jamie Kennedy, which is weird Yeah, I never I never thought it was like comedian, but it was so good I know it and I heard this on another podcast that I was like This is just like criminal minds and then like right as I thought it she was like I'm pretty sure the criminal mind that I was like, yeah, I know
00:05:11
Speaker
I'm telling you they got to get their ideas from some more people. They're not making this up on their own Alright, so the first technical crime that he had committed happened apparently after His girlfriend at the time decided she was gonna up and leave him with their six-year-old kid. Who could blame her? I would take the kid though. She did. Oh, I thought you meant like left the kid No, she up and packed their stuff up took the little kid with her and they they bolted. Okay
00:05:41
Speaker
again who can blame her right this is in 1994 and according to him again because like half of the story all revolves really around him um the courts never could really find anything to actually like
00:05:56
Speaker
condemn him for what he did. Oh, it's nice to see you have hot fries and not lifesavers tonight. That's cool. Okay. When we podcast, I typically don't eat that entire day because I don't eat breakfast and I don't eat lunch. I only dinner. I just think it's funny because we've been the snacks that you eat are very toddler like my coworker, Jennifer.
00:06:18
Speaker
says that I have a toddler's appetite. And so she'll bring me like, um, Lunchables sometimes to make fun of me because I don't like vegetables. But she puts spinach all over her pizza and that's weird. Like not cooked spinach, just a salad on top of her pizza. Okay. I can't say anything I do. I do like raw spinach. I like cooked spinach. I don't like any spinach. I'm not fricking Popeye. But the only reason that I like cooked spinach is because it's doused.
00:06:43
Speaker
in butter and garlic and that's okay we are way off topic we are way off topic all right move along so moving on um good old mr methanie said at one point in his confession that he was basically went looking to find out where this chick went right got the names of a couple of people apparently they were homeless on living under a bridge at this point and decided i'm gonna go take my frustrations out on these two guys right so who was homeless
00:07:11
Speaker
Like these two are just these random people. No, Methany was not homeless. It was these were the names that he got. Gotcha. And saying that his wife had been like shooting up with them. She was also on drugs. Just not, not living the good life at this point. Right. So now he's mad and he's going to, that's exactly my point. Right. So.
00:07:32
Speaker
He takes an axe with him. And why would you not? You know, he does what any sound mind would do. Right. Apparently. And murdered two men with an axe. Right. So they were they were chopped up pretty good. Now, on one of one of the podcasts and a couple of the other things that I read online, they actually said that he murdered these two guys.
00:07:59
Speaker
and he tossed the axe okay like just pitched it into the woods whatever never thought about it again with it but somebody else found the axe and used it to also murder another homeless man under the bridge
00:08:13
Speaker
so he was acquitted based on that fact based on they didn't have enough evidence to prove that it was methanie that did these crimes okay so they again according to them is it true is it not true who freaking knows at this point i feel like some maybe some people in podcasts are just trying to like make things a little bit more juicy i'm not going to claim that that's true um but it would be
00:08:35
Speaker
Kind of logical in the in a sense that he was literally acquitted for these crimes, right? so somebody else had taken the axe and his fingerprints are all over it along with another set of You know blood and DNA. Yeah that clearly
00:08:50
Speaker
they're gonna go with the original dude. Like, who's ever going to think in their logical mind someone committed two murders through the axe away, and then randomly picked it up off the- some random guy picked it up off the street, killed somebody else with it, and then that's- you know what I mean? Like, that's a little freak. I feel like it's more believable that he killed all three people. I would agree. I would agree, but- How did he get acquitted? We don't know if this is true. This is all speculation, right? So let me- let me go down my list here.
00:09:21
Speaker
So he killed these two. And you know what? This some of the things that I'm referencing in that I'm going back to. He it doesn't say. Nice. It doesn't say. I'm sorry. I thought I thought that I had that on on the deal here. But again, like I said, this is guys I've done. I've been listening to podcasts and listening about stuff for this for because it's like almost every single one that I listen to was a little bit different every single time.
00:09:51
Speaker
It always is. Yeah. And so trying to get like hard facts about somebody that you can't let's let's be 100% honest. Even news articles and research articles and books are all the writers perspective. So you know, unless you were there and saw it or there's videotape, you don't know 100%. That's why it's all a little different. So I like listening to a bunch of different podcasts as you get a bunch of different, you know, but it's different opinions, different outtakes, different. Yeah.
00:10:17
Speaker
Um, if that were the case, it would explain why he was acquitted of, of those murders. Right. So he killed these two dudes. He got acquitted. Um, at some point along the line, this, this reference had said that it was in 95. Um, he started actually going after prostitutes. Okay.
00:10:42
Speaker
I had one thing reference to a woman, Kimberly Spicer, that he had murdered in public. Okay, like strangled her to death. And I think, I believe that this was the one where
00:11:00
Speaker
there was a random guy just fishing, they said, and he killed that guy too because he kind of saw what happened. Well, it's not like joke and blend into the crowd. Yeah. And I could be, I could be way off pace with that one. I don't know when exactly it happened again. Like the kind of the time frames and the things that I were trying to, like, I couldn't really build a solid timeline because everything was just like ABC and D. Yeah. And we don't really know when these events occurred. But we do know that he, um, dismembered her.
00:11:31
Speaker
Um, and started to discard some of her parts under like wooden pallets at his work, buried some of it, blah, blah, blah. And so this, okay. He nasty. Yeah. He's super gross. That's a trigger warning. This is nasty. This is like, okay. This isn't like, it's one of the worst parts, but apparently at some point he decided he was going to go back, dig up parts of her remains, AKA.
00:12:01
Speaker
her skull and sexually gratified himself. Yeah. Like with with her skull. Yeah. Which I mean, let's just be honest. Forget the sick twisted portion of that. It's bone and teeth that can't be comfortable. Yeah, I mean, okay. Well, I think one of the reference said it was six months later. So are you really fully by six months? Like I guess the maggots gave cushioning. I don't know. It's disgusting.
00:12:31
Speaker
Man, you just put an image into my head that makes me want to vomit. You're welcome. I have a very twisted mind, okay? I'm aware. I am totally aware. Alright, so he also... I don't know. So he claimed in his skin, again, guys, let me just reiterate the fact that this is his confession.
00:13:00
Speaker
OK, like this is what he said happened. So whether or not I was just going to say like we don't know. And if any of this is real or if he's just totally like demented or wants to make himself. OK, OK, this is such a stupid statement. Make himself look better. Right. Maybe it's like an insanity plea. I mean, I don't know about that. I think that like I feel like no logical sane person would do what he do and admit to it.
00:13:27
Speaker
It's not even just admit to it, but like, you know, how many serial killers have admitted to, oh, I've, you know, they technically on record had like maybe three and they're like, I killed hundreds, right? You know, just kind of making yourself be more flamboyantly. I guess if you got to go to jail. Right. You may make it worth it. Be the biggest one there. Right. Which is after alone, he was. Oh, he reminds me of an evil Hagrid.
00:13:57
Speaker
No, I'm gonna tell you what, when I first saw the picture of the one that we were looking at earlier when I showed it to you, I literally was like, okay, I'm a snake person, I love snakes, I have a snake. The only thing I can think of is he can literally, this man looks like he can unhinge his jaw the way a snake would. Like, okay, well, I'm gonna scroll back up and I'm gonna lose my place, but look at that. Whose mouth opens that wide?
00:14:23
Speaker
I don't know, but it's just like height wise and build. He reminds me. Oh, he was a big he was a big dude. And I had actually heard that he was not only was he super tall, but in his confession, he claimed that he was 450 pounds. But at the time he was arrested, he was only about 250.
00:14:44
Speaker
So he literally, like, I just think he just made up whatever and just said what he wanted to say. Like, I don't know. But again, speculation. I don't know what report his mind was not based in fact. No. And I was going to say to you, like, I mean, do they weigh people when they bring him into prison? Like, I don't know. I know that we do fingerprints and mug shots, but I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't think they do like an anal, like an anal exam. Well, man, they might. Yeah, they probably do do that. They probably do that. Yeah. OK.
00:15:14
Speaker
Oh, man. So like I said, he's now running around, starting to kill these these prostitutes. We've killed some homeless men. He killed a nearby fisherman. And the fisherman literally, according to him, was just wrong place, wrong time. Yeah. Like he thought maybe he saw something. And so he ended his life in a nutshell.
00:15:40
Speaker
So according to him, he tossed all three of the bodies into a nearby river, weighted them down somehow, right? With rocks. But I'm sitting here again, just speculating in my mind, like, okay, he went out there and he doesn't claim to bring rope or anything else with him. How did he tie them down? Like, how did he weight them down with rocks? Maybe just shoved it in their pockets.
00:16:10
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Shoved him in the, yep. Shoved it in the pockets. Are there orifices? Oh, yeah. Okay. Maybe that's okay. Ew. He has no value for human life. Okay. No, I agree. I'm still going to go with my ew comment, but agree. Oh, yeah. I told you he, he nasty. So. As I continue to eat cheese fries. Yeah. You know what? We do what we have to do. Ugh.
00:16:37
Speaker
So, yep, I already told you guys about the homeless people, how he got off on that. They actually, the only reason that they caught him was because one of his victims
Victim's Escape and Cannibalism Allegations
00:16:51
Speaker
escaped. Her name was Rita Kemper, which I thought was super weird too.
00:16:56
Speaker
Ed Kemper. Ed Kemper. Yeah, sorry. She got away from him in 1996. Methany kidnapped her, forced her into his trailer, and he was gearing up to kill her. She managed somehow.
00:17:08
Speaker
to get away from Emscale, an eight foot tall chain link fence. I know, go you. I mean, dude, I'm telling you, when your adrenaline's running, like screw you, I'm out, like freaking, I could do it with two toes and one finger, I'm climbing that fence, buddy. If I'm running, someone is obviously chasing me, call 911 and get a cop. Yeah, you run too. Because I don't run, that'd be the only time and I would probably run my chubby little legs off.
00:17:35
Speaker
So after she got over the fence, she went straight to the authorities. They believed her right off the bat, which is great, right? Because normally when you think of prostitutes or whatever, right to go Maryland PD. There you go. He was arrested for multiple murders. And shortly thereafter, he confessed. But here's the deal, guys. In his confession at one point in this is
00:18:03
Speaker
This is the reference that we made to the Criminal Minds episode. And I will tell you what he said and then maybe talk about the Criminal Mind episode for a second. But Mr. Joe said that at one point he had this little barbecue. I guess it's a little barbecue pit. He was not. Yeah, he wasn't like. He will. Right. Yeah. But it wasn't like a legal thing. Like he was just cooking for the people around him. Yeah.
00:18:30
Speaker
He said that with some of the ladies that he had had killed that he chopped them and saved some of the pieces and ground it in with the hamburger meat and served human burgers to to his neighborhood and people that drove by.
00:18:52
Speaker
Now I think me personally, I think I'd be sick for the rest of my life. I don't think I'd ever eat another hamburger. Oh, honestly, like I would be like, um, that's not true. Can we do a DNA test or no, come on. No, that's right here. Right now. You're telling me that if you found out that some wackadoodle, well, yeah, but if you, okay, let's be honest.
00:19:17
Speaker
It is not like today where food trucks are super in and convenient and who doesn't love a food truck. This girl does. Okay. But how often are they really checked on and looked over and pretty often? Like I will say I, I ensure a few food trucks at my job and they have to go, they go through the whole, like the same scoring as a restaurant does. I know a few food truck owners.
00:19:45
Speaker
So I know that, but that's, I don't think, I don't think that I'd ever look at a hamburger the same way. That's my thing is number one, you don't go to, you know, meth, meth mouth, Joe Mathenas, roadside stand and be like, I'd like, uh, your sweaty stained. Paunch self to serve me a burger in your ungloved, unwashed hand.
00:20:10
Speaker
That's a little different. I feel like you're buying now I've left a McDonald's for less. Yeah, but you know now there are Really show how redneck I'm here. So on the way to Florida
00:20:24
Speaker
there is this one stretcher road that we take and it is like nothing. You're going through like acres and acres of farmland and houses. There's like 30 minutes in, there's one gas station and then you go like 20 to 30 minutes more. You have nothing. This one, this gas station has one bathroom, one stall, one toilet, and it's always like lined out. Right.
00:20:43
Speaker
And so they've got like a little quote-unquote food section over there. Yeah, but I'm super weird. I wouldn't even go to the bathroom in that toilet. I'd go somewhere else. After 45 minutes and no bathroom. No, I'd pee in the woods. There's no woods. Like it's all wide open places. Then I would open my car door, squat and go. So anyway, neither here nor there. But they've got this little like restaurant and people are always sitting there ordering food. And I'm always like, you know, I don't think that this place is really, you know,
00:21:13
Speaker
Sanitary. No. Yeah. Like when the, the, when the, there's like tobacco stains on the ceiling and wall. You know, it's not like. The tobacco doesn't bother me more or less. I'm just like yellow. Like when I see somebody who's not wearing gloves, wipe the sweat off their brow and then continue to make the food you're about to eat. And you know he wasn't wearing gloves. You know, you know.
00:21:37
Speaker
You know, his shirt was too tight. This is giving me anxiety, Faith. You know, his shirt was too tight. He had some ponch hanging out underneath it, overlapping the pants. You know it was stained. You know there's like the big, huge armpit stains, sweat stains. There's ring around the neck. Well, this is South, though. This is Maryland we're talking about. But you still... Their leather can't be as bad as like, you know, the 600 degrees we get with no... I think he's a person that sweats in the middle of like a blizzard. Yeah, that's probably good point.
00:22:06
Speaker
because he's just huge. It takes a lot to make that body move. So if you pull up to that and you think this is the place I want to dine, honestly, I don't think it's going to affect you. I think if I lived in Maryland around this time, I would want all my meat. How much of that is so judgmental, though? Like you wouldn't have him as a friend. Like if you really thought he was like a normal dude.
00:22:28
Speaker
Okay, so no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm friends with you. Now let's reference criminal minds, okay? Yeah. Because this brings it up, all right? So you got this guy. Yeah. Who volunteers to help, right, with the community to help find the missing people that got lost in the woods. There was all those both lost. And he worked as a volunteer at the barbecue pit there. Yeah, which was the same setup. What was in a barbecue? Chili. Chili. And he had human remains in the chili and served it to everyone that was there.
00:22:57
Speaker
Searching for her. Yeah, cuz when the priest has evolved to a church exactly. Yeah Yeah, that's literally like my favorite episode of criminal. I love do you know they're coming back out from the mines? No way it's on whatever like I don't think I could bring myself to watch it though cuz I mean I loved it but after Gideon left I like it as much I still liked it when they got rid of Hodgner I was out Although I love because they all grubler
00:23:24
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. He is pretty cool. Yeah. Is he coming back? I think I liked him and I like Penelope was crack me up and then my little I like JJ. I liked Prentice, but I did not like Prentice in charge. That was not her role. Yes. I loved them all. Let's be honest. I love that show. I even loved the new cast they brought in at the end of it. I love that show.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't. And JJ is always forever going to be like one of my favorites. I love JJ. Well, anyway, I don't know. They made her character too involved at the end, though, I think she wasn't like the the the rock star bystander that she was. Right. Mm hmm. She became. Yeah. Anyways, that's that's personal opinions, guys. So Mr. Methany here.
00:24:15
Speaker
said all these things. They the police have yet to confirm any any of the things that he said. OK, they're still to this day. No, it was it was in the 90s. He's from it. Nineties. And so hold on. Actually, let me I'm going to Google this real quick because I don't. I'm pretty sure he's still alive and they may be, but they still haven't like confirmed anything.
Methany's Media Coverage and Legacy
00:24:37
Speaker
No, wait a minute. He might be dead. Hold on. Let me see. Oh, you know what? Wikipedia, why not? Right.
00:24:45
Speaker
It's a valid source of information. It can be. He died in 2017. I was going to say, there's no way his heart's still kicking. Yeah. And he was only convicted of murder, kidnap and rape, which is no mutilator. No mutilation. No, none of that. I'm sorry. They couldn't prove it. So I mean, he said he didn't convict him. Like, if you're going to say you do it, just tack it on. Yeah.
00:25:12
Speaker
Yeah, obviously you've thought about it or you're willing to know he knew he committed the crimes at least. OK, like. Come on, like they're already dead. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like what? And now he's saying what he did to them. Not only is it completely disgusting. First of all, stop letting him talk. Right. Quit publishing the crap that he says, because the only thing you're doing is intensifying the fears of of the people around him and making him look, quote unquote, cooler.
00:25:41
Speaker
Yeah, in his mind at least. Yeah, that's one of my, I have it on my list. Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take it. No, you just wait. I'm taking one I know you want. Don't do it. Don't do it. Please don't. This is two you've taken from me. How is this two? Because I wanted to do Shannon Christensen and you stole that one. Oh, the first podcast. Well, I'll let you go first and take my case. So this is three things technically.
00:26:08
Speaker
All right. Well, I'm still in some. Are you really going to take a change homes for me? I'm taking something. Don't take that one. We'll see. That guy is a weird obsession of mine. Well, should have thought about that. Well, then you better do all the research and I'm talking. I'm going to do I'm a crappy fly by the seat of my pants and just make crap up that I know is wrong. I know is going to upset you because that's what friends do. That's what friends do. All right.
00:26:37
Speaker
That's a good case. I don't have as much to go into because I just like that case and I've heard that case. I didn't even realize like that. It was such a huge, well known case, but it's not. It's just I saw cannibal and I was like, that's happening. That's we have not done a real. I know you did like Florida man with the duty face, but like there's not been a cannibal case thus far. And I'm sorry, guys. And as weird and creepy as you think I am, but the whole like cannibal thing intrigues me.
00:27:04
Speaker
I just like weird twisted stuff like the darker the better. And usually I listen to their crimes and I'm like, well, this is how you could have done it better, bro. Right. So I don't want to be alone with you sometimes. It's like this innate fear that I have. But then I think I can take you. And so it's yeah, I feel a little safer. I'm pretty I'm pretty non aggressive. But my mind is a mind. It's a crap shoot, guys. Crap shoot. All right. Well,
00:27:35
Speaker
That was the end of Maryland. Sorry, there was no surprise there and I hope you can surprise me a little bit better. It's okay. Well your cheese all over your boobies and your cheese. It's hot fried sauce little crumbs. Anyway, we're going to take a quick intermission because my drink is warm and I need a cold one. And so I'm gonna go get my Coke and then we'll head on to Maine.
00:27:58
Speaker
OK, Lisa, are you ready for Maine? Maybe. I don't know if you are. So I'm just going to go ahead and start out by telling you this story starts in Maine, but it goes all across the United States. Oh, fine. Yeah, it's a road. This is a true road trip episode, basically. This was just crazy. It's wild. So all right. We are going to start out in this on December 7th.
00:28:27
Speaker
1976. Okay. In Long Beach, California. Universal Studio Television, Universal Television
Amusement Park Discovery
00:28:40
Speaker
Studio. Sorry, tongue tied there. Rent it out a local amusement park. Think like a Coney Island type, like not a Six Flags, but like, you know. More like a fair kind of. Yeah, basically. Yeah. To film an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man.
00:28:57
Speaker
So the whole premise of this episode was they had to find these missiles that were hidden in a fun house type of deal. So that's why they were there. But they closed down the amusement park just for this episode, right? Right. So they were preparing to shoot in the laugh at the dark attraction, which is basically like a spooky scary where little girls are shrieking, holding on to the big
00:29:21
Speaker
strong boys that brought them. Right. You know, there's mannequins everywhere, different, you know, levels of death than mayhem and things kind of popped out at to that type of deal. So Chris Haynes was a worker on the set and he was trying to get, uh, he was working with the set dressing crew to get everything in order, order and get everything in order for the drama of the secret mission. Would you like to buy a valve? Right. Gosh.
00:29:52
Speaker
So Chris was walking around the attraction and in my mind, like he's not working super hard. Like he's kind of wandering, looking at the attraction, you know, like, Oh, there's a mannequin with his head hanging off that super scary. Cause I mean, it's not like full blown. So he's kind of getting a peek behind the curtains type of deal, you know? So he's wandering around by the sounds of it.
00:30:18
Speaker
And in the corner of this room, there is a mannequin hanging from a noose around his throat, tied up to her after, like just kind of swinging. I feel like this was also a criminal minds episode. I felt like it was, but I didn't have time to the research, but I swear it was. Anyway. All right. We'll keep going. And then I'm going to let you know which episode I thought it was. So, um, he's walking around and for whatever reason, that corner just seems dark to him. Like it's just.
00:30:47
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Wrong. Right. Maybe just a little bit more realistic than everything else. I don't know. So he would later go on to tell what happened. And when he did an interview and he said that he noticed the closer he got and kind of looking at it, that it looked like this mannequin had literally been sliced open and then like crudely sewn shut. And the way they did it was disemboweled kind of thing.
00:31:16
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Okay, he said it was just, it just, it looked a little too real for him. He didn't like it. And then he also noticed there were some other features that, um, are not usually seen on a prop or dummy. So, um, he was he specific about that? We're going to get there. And I have a problem with the fact he went here, but we'll get there. Okay. So he went to get one of his crew members, coworkers, whatever you want to call him.
00:31:43
Speaker
And he said, he finally told the guy, like he's pointing out all this stuff that he just doesn't think is right on this mannequin. And he finally told the guy, if you move his hands away from his private aerial, you'll see something that is not paper mache. Number one, sir. Okay. Why are you looking at mannequins junk area? I have a problem with that. You didn't need to inspect that close. I mean, well, mannequins technically are not going to have parts, right?
00:32:10
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Yeah, they all have the kid and the Barbie. Exactly. So why were you really? But if you thought if he thought this looks a bit too suspicious, I just, you know, I'm sorry. I'm just saying, I just don't think I think there are other way. I mean, Barty, Barty, Barbie. Good old Barty. Yeah. Yep. So he went to move the arm away on this mannequin to show his coworker the private areas.
00:32:34
Speaker
And when he did, the arm snapped clean off. Oh my goodness. And Chris said you could clearly see dried out muscles and bones. This was a hundred percent not a mannequin. So he promptly called LAPD to come investigate. LAPD. LAPD. Because they were in California right now. Of course. So that's where we're ending up.
Elmer McCurdy's Life and Crimes
00:33:00
Speaker
But for now, let's go in the way back machine that I love so much. So Elmer McCurdy was a New Year's Eve baby born January 1st, 1880. And he was born to his 17 year old mother, Sadie McCurdy. And it's not known who his father was, but there is a healthy amount of speculation and they say evidence, but basically speculation.
00:33:30
Speaker
that his father was actually one of Sadie's cousins who were living with her family at the time. Oh, okay, so incest. Our rape. Either way, still incest. Correct. So either way- Which is really, we're starting out very, very nice here. Yeah. Yeah. Either way, in 1880, you were not supposed to be an unwed mother. Not only did it ruin your entire reputation, but your entire family's reputation. So her older brother,
00:34:01
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her older brother and his wife, George and Helen offered to adopt Elmer and raise him. So that's what happened. Elmer actually had a great life with his mother's father and his brother. And he was said to be a really happy, thriving kid. Unfortunately, very early, he was about 10 years old when his father died of tuberculosis.
00:34:29
Speaker
So Helen was having a difficult time managing both kids, the household with her husband gone. Typical single mother. Yeah, it's 1880. It's not like you have a- I was just going to say, yeah, and it's 1880, so it's not like, you know, you don't have government support. There's no daycares. There's none of that. You're literally just- In the 1880s, women didn't work, I don't think. That's pretty much true, yeah. So Helen was having a really hard time. So Sadie moved in to help Helen with the boys in the household.
00:34:59
Speaker
and then they all moved to Bangor, Maine. So they, they started out and I believe it's Washington, Maine and they moved across Maine, right? Um, they moved across the country. The main they're, they're in Maine this whole time. He was born in Maine. Oh, okay. Started out California. Okay. My bad. Yep. Yep. You're right. My bad. California is in 1976 with a $6 million man. We're back to 1880. I caught up already. I just, I just remembered you said that we were in 1980. Sorry.
00:35:29
Speaker
So Maine's my state. I have to go to Maine sometime. Gotta go to Maine. Yep. It's the Maine thing. And I'll tell you this, this poor kid's life is a series of unfortunate events, like 100%. So when he's around 15 years old, Helen just couldn't, she couldn't do it anymore. It was all too much. And pretty much told Sadie, you're going to have to be responsible for Elmer now. He's yours. You get him back. I don't care that we adopted him. I can't.
00:35:58
Speaker
Um, which meant he had to be told the truth because he doesn't even know that he's adopted. Okay. So he is sat down by his mother Helen and his aunt Sadie and explained at 15 that his aunt Sadie's really his birth mother and his mother Helen is really his aunt and she adopted him.
00:36:22
Speaker
So the father that he grew up loving, that was amazing to him, not his dad. Yeah, none of this is real for him anymore. None of this is real. Yeah. And I bet you can hazard a guess that this, as a 15 year old boy, didn't go down particularly well. No. It caused a lot of internal turmoil for Elmer. He grew pretty resentful. Didn't want anything to do with his bio mom.
00:36:47
Speaker
And he started acting out and it was said that his behavior became unruly and rebellious, which really, I mean, can you blame the kid? I couldn't imagine living my entire life with a set of family members thinking that this is my mom and dad. These are my siblings. This is this is my life. And then even like right now, if you were to look at me and say, Lisa. Um.
00:37:12
Speaker
Yeah, so your aunt is actually your mother? That's the thing. Like, I don't know how that would settle with me. It's not like she wasn't there. She lied to him on a daily basis.
00:37:23
Speaker
Yes. So that's a lot. But again, we're looking at a very, very old time. Yes. Where these things were not accepted. And so I feel like in, you know, in a 2022 mindset. Yeah. This is a no go. Like you don't do stuff like that. Right. But in the 1980s, that can't, that can't not be common. Yeah. You can't tell me that women never got pregnant back then. Yeah. You know what I mean? So.
00:37:49
Speaker
This is the first time at 15 because he had a great happy childhood. Um, he got really into alcohol, which ends up kind of being a problem for him. And he rounding sorrows at 15. And eventually he just ran away in 1898. So Elmer didn't run far. He ran back to his original hometown of Maine and went to live with his grandparents.
00:38:15
Speaker
His grandfather helped him get a plumber apprenticeship. And he was said to be a really hard worker, a really, he was very competent and he actually was able to- Can I ask a question? Yeah. So we hate our aunt and we hate our mom who all knew the truth, but so did the grandparents yet we're gonna go move in with the grandparents. And that's- It was mainly his grandfather. I've heard both that his grandmother was alive and his grandmother was not alive. But in his mind, even though his,
00:38:45
Speaker
His adopted father, uncle lied to him too. He died. That man died being his father, loving him. He didn't tarnish his memory of him, I think. So I think in his mind, it's the women of the family that are bad. The men are reliable.
00:39:01
Speaker
Okay. And maybe he just wanted some, some guidance and some structure. So he just didn't want to be around his, his lying to moms, basically. Okay. Well, I just was kind of wondering, because if you're going to be bitter and resentful about something, I feel like you're a 15 year old, you're a 15 year old kid. It doesn't make logic. Last 15 year old kid we talked about was a vampire. So, um, he was said to be a really good worker and he actually was able to, to live a very comfortable life for the amount of money he made as a plumber.
00:39:32
Speaker
After about three months of getting his apprenticeship and making really good money, he decided to move back in with his birth mother, Sadie, and try to make amends, men fences. And he bonded with her like hard. It was said in the, I think it was the New England Historical Society that was writing some pieces on this.
00:39:57
Speaker
said that he became her protector. It's not that she was never there. She was in his life the whole time. So I think it just, as a 15-year-old, you got to process that. And then he realized, even though she gave me up, she never left me. She was with me as much as she could. She never remarried. She never had any other kids. And I think that all kind of dawned on him. And he just
00:40:23
Speaker
He got over it hard. It wasn't like a hey, here you go, see you later kind of thing. Like this woman was like, I do love you and I do want to be a part of your life, but this is the only way that I can take place in your life. Right. So his life's going pretty well again. And it's at this point, another series of unfortunate events befalls him.
00:40:43
Speaker
At 18 years old he's he lost his job due to the declining in the economics in the United States in the 1890s. Yep Then just about a year after everything was good his mother died She had gotten sick and she had an ulcer that burst and it ended up killing her After a year that he found her like not quite not found her but a year finding out and really bonding with her she's gone and
00:41:13
Speaker
Guys, no job, no money. She's gone. And then just a very short time, like a month or two later, his grandfather dies as well. Okay. So basically now everything that he's cared about is gone. Yeah. So like this kid's life is highs and lows. Great childhood. Everything I know is a lie. Start making it better. Great career choices. Bonded with my mom that I didn't realize. So at this point with nothing left for him in Maine, literally nothing's left.
00:41:42
Speaker
He decides he's done with Maine and he leaves. And he lives as a drifter through the Eastern United States, where he'd work odd jobs as a plumber. But the guy changes his name all the time. Every new town, every new job, he creates a new name. It's like a social identity crisis. Well, we think we know why, but we'll get there in a minute here. Well, I'm just going to state for the record, I think he's doing it because he never really had a self. Yeah, could be.
00:42:12
Speaker
He's lost himself. So he's trying to recreate himself. Yeah. But like his own identity fell in lies. And I feel like that's why he kept changing everything is because I was him, but now I'm him. Yeah. Well, I was him, but now I'm him. And so now in his mind, I'm just going to change my name and be whoever I want to be. Yeah. Well, he continued on this path until he landed in Kansas where he did obtain a job as a plumber. And again, life starts to get good. He's a plumber. He joined the local union.
00:42:41
Speaker
He became a volunteer firefighter. Um, and here he became known as, I believe it was, I'm trying to, I thought I wrote it down, but I guess I did not think it was like Frank Archer. But, um, in the United States right now, people did not like Irish immigrants. Right. And McCurdy was an Irish name. Yes. So that's why he changed his name. Every rendition of his name afterwards is always Frank something. Yes. So that's why he initially changed his name was to fit in better. Right. But anyway,
00:43:11
Speaker
So in Kansas, Frank's living a great life. And in about 1905, he gets arrested for public intoxication and basically word vomits to his boss at this plumbing gig that he's murdered someone in the past and all this other stuff. But the guy's like piss drunk.
00:43:34
Speaker
So the next day when he sobers up, his boss is like, hey, about the story you told me last night. What was that about bro? What happened? And he's like, I don't even know. Honestly, I think I was just making it up to make myself look cool.
00:43:49
Speaker
I got in a bar fight once, but I've never killed anybody. And every, there's a book written on his life and all the historical society articles, every article, no one can find where he, there is a mention of McCurdy getting in a bar fight when he was drunk once, but no one died. Okay. So, but right now I'm having a really hard time doing the math because you were, you were talking that in 1888,
00:44:15
Speaker
I don't know what you're asking. You just said it. I've talked. Well, you know, you said 1888. He was like, what, 15? He was 18 in 1888. Sorry. OK. But you're now talking about 1905. Yeah. And the murders that we were talking about at the beginning are 1970. How old was he? I never said all this was connected.
00:44:35
Speaker
I started out with one story on a mannequin in 1975. I know. And then went back to 1880. I was wondering if you were going to catch on that. We went to a different decade. No, I even stressed the decade. No, I knew that we were on a different decade, but I'm sitting here thinking. Yeah. We're in the 1880s. And OK, you're telling me. OK, I just figured maybe you had date wrong. Nope. Nope. All the dates are correct. I just didn't. Nope.
00:45:04
Speaker
Yeah. So, um, at this point, um, sorry, you've made me lose. So, okay. So he gets arrested. They tried to find, there's no death around him. It is hard to track like everything this guy did because he changed names so often, but there's no death around any of the areas he was. So they, they honestly think he was correct. He got in a bar fight at once. And when he was drunk, trying to look cool, he was like, Oh, I got a bar fight and killed somebody, which why that'd make you look cool. I don't know, but whatever.
00:45:34
Speaker
Guys, what can you say? So he moves on from Kansas after this, and he goes to Webb City, Missouri, again changing his name, and he started working as a mucker.
00:45:47
Speaker
I have no idea what that is. In a zinc mine. So he'd go into these mines and he'd literally have a shovel and muck out like you muck a stable is the only thing I do. That's what I was thinking, like you scoop poo. Yeah, he's scooping all this zinc. And so for $2 a day, he's working in dark, hot conditions. $2 a day.
00:46:10
Speaker
You know, I bet gas was like two cents. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. So there. He's also getting sick because his lungs are getting lined with zinc and lead, which happened to so many people that had to work in any of the mines, coal mines, zinc mines. Yeah. Yeah. So he doesn't like this life and he decides, eh, I need to find another way out. And in 1907, he finds a way out.
00:46:36
Speaker
he joins the U.S. Army and he's assigned to Fort Leavenworth and worked as a machine gun operator and eventually went on to train with nitroglycerin for demolition purposes like blowing up bridges blowing up because they were going to get his infantry was going to get shipped out to the Philippines before they could get shipped out whatever war whatnot was happening I guess ended and he never actually like went overseas but
00:47:04
Speaker
he um the army like he kind of thrived again because he had structure he had routine he had discipline um and he stayed there until he was honorably discharged november 7th 1910 so after leaving the army mccurdy again falls on hard times he's having a very hard time finding a job
00:47:29
Speaker
His money is running out. The discharge pay he was getting from the United States Army is getting less and less. And one evening, he and an army buddy, an old army buddy are hanging out November 19th. And while he and his buddy are out, they I guess are acting a little sus.
00:47:50
Speaker
And some cops say, Hey, let's have a chat. And I'm sorry. Anybody not from America that's listening. Sus is just suspect. They're acting weird. Yes. I'm sorry. We have to have some listeners. We have a lot of you England. Listen, I know. And I'm coming for you after this series because there's more of you people than there are in the United States. So go UK.
00:48:15
Speaker
Anyway, so they're acting suspicious. And after searching them, they were quickly arrested for possessing burglary paraphernalia. Okay, which was chisels, hacksaws.
00:48:30
Speaker
Funnels for nitroglycerin, gunpowder, money sacks. It could also be just like a murder bag. It could be. Could be. And this, what they were arrested for is a felony and it carried a weight of two to 10 years in jail if they are convicted, right? Okay. So during arraignment and during the trial, McCurdy and his friend, there's two different variations of how this plays out.
00:48:57
Speaker
I like one better just because I think, wow, you went there. So the one I like the best is McCurdy and his friend told the judge, these tools are not intended for burglary, Your Honor. Actually possess these tools because they're necessary to work on a foot operated machine gun that we are in the middle of inventing, because we're inventors. That's my favorite one just because
00:49:22
Speaker
took some creativity. Definitely. The other one, that's probably what happened, but it's kind of is he's like, bro, I'm a plumber. I have to have chisels and hacksaws and funnels to work on people's plumbing. Yeah. Not as fun, but, you know, more reasonable. Right. Either way, he was found not guilty and he was let go. However, when he was in jail awaiting trial,
00:49:50
Speaker
McCurdy made a new friend. Naturally. And his friend's name is Walter Jarrett, who was serving just a 50-day sentence, no big deal for a drunken disorderly, which, you know, McCurdy's right there with him, so he gets it. But while they're there, Walter tells them all about his life as this bank robber in Oklahoma. And he tells McCurdy, when I get out of here, and you get out of here, anytime you want to come down to Oklahoma with me,
00:50:20
Speaker
I'll teach you right. I'll hook you up. I've got some quote unquote jobs for you. I'll help you get on your feet. But we're buddies now, which I'd like to say is exactly what Sean Attlewood says happens in prison. It's just networking for criminals to get better at being criminals. Sean Atwood is. Oh yeah. The bald guy. My guy I like from the UK. I love the UK. Anyway, so after getting out of jail, McCurdy goes, where do you think?
00:50:49
Speaker
in Oklahoma where the yep so i forgot that's all you knew i knew that's all you knew i love that so
00:51:02
Speaker
Walter immediately starts planning their heist. They're going to do a heist. And with McCurdy's knowledge of nitroglycerin and how to make things go boom. Yeah, they can really like they can damage. They can do some pretty big payoff date. Yeah. So on March 23rd, 1911, Walter
00:51:25
Speaker
mccurdy and two others jump a train like they hijack a train they boarded the train illegally, however, you do it back in the day, that is known to be transporting a very large quantity of silver huge amounts.
00:51:40
Speaker
because it's 1910, 1911. Yes, yes, yes. So, McCartney. I'm sorry, I just got really intently into your story. I know I got quiet real fast, but I'm just... It was more your face. You looked super confused, like that I was talking about trains and silver. Well, you know how I work with trains for a living. And then I had this really stupid thought that I heard one time. I don't know if it's real life or not, but the word shit was actually like a, what's it called?
00:52:08
Speaker
abbreviation. The SHIT was store high in transit. Oh, that's probably right. I have no idea if that's true or not, but. Sounds logical. Yeah. Because of the stank. Throw it out the windows, my thing. You know, whatever. You can't do that with dead bodies, Faye. Teach the room. I'm sorry, I just. When you said store high in transit, I thought poop.
00:52:31
Speaker
I'm saying like but it's sh it like that's literally like carcasses Yeah, but I was thinking they were storing their poop high up in the train. Not a dead body. Yeah, like that's where my mind went Anyway, sorry, we I don't know why we talk about squirrel. Yeah. Okay, we talk about a lot of poo We do we have a problem. I think you said shit. My mind just went there
00:52:52
Speaker
So McCurdy used his military career in training with the nitroglycerin. And they were going to blow the safe and get this silver, right? However, he only had a two week training course in the nitroglycerin. Oh, snap. And he's never used nitroglycerin on his own. Please tell me they blew themselves up. No. Dang it. He's never used nitroglycerin on his own. He has no idea how much to use. And his calculations were a squish bit off.
00:53:21
Speaker
so he was a little exuberant in his nitroglycerin usage and ended up blowing the safe off the door so kudos um but it went straight through the side of the train okay blowing a hole on the side of the train to the outside right which is going to cause a giant suction doesn't matter because they use so much that it actually melted the silver to the back of the safe no way yes
00:53:43
Speaker
So it's so hot, like they don't, the floor robbers were only able to get away with $450 total. Like, can we just, can we just stop for a second? Okay. And I want you to just picture yourself on a train. It's like a Looney Tubes episode. Right. And you're, but you're like, you're literally looking at the scenario now, like, okay, so we've already committed the crime, but like,
00:54:03
Speaker
There's no booty here. Yeah. Like there's you have there's nothing like how ashamed of yourself would you feel? I'd have I would feel pretty embarrassed. I'd be like, all right, I'm just going to go ahead. How fast is the train moving? Do you think I'll die? I'm going to go. I'm going to jump. Peace. So unfortunately, this started a little bit of a trend which would follow him in this criminal enterprise. Right. With it being stated that most of his robberies were botched in one way or the other due to his ineptitude.
00:54:35
Speaker
I gotta say, in 1911, if you can't get away with a crime...
00:54:40
Speaker
That is kinda on you. Like, there's no CTV. There's no surveillance cameras. There's no DNA. There's nothing. Like, you can't get away with it in 1911. You deserve to get caught, my friend. But they did not have the luxury of the shows that we have now, like CSI. And there was no Google. If you could just Google it. How much nitroglycerin should I use? I could find it out pretty dang quick, I'm sure. So that was botched attempt number one.
00:55:09
Speaker
In March Unfortunately, why guys there's silver just yeah do your favorite chisel chisel off the wall, right? Just a smidge, right? Just a little corner. Yep. Yeah, so that was in March Walter decided that this is not the kind of friend he wanted to have and they parted ways I'm sure not amicably but right whatever named out Walter. I this is not the kind of friend that I wanted Walter is like dude I'm disappointed you're like the dumbest human and I've ever met and
00:55:38
Speaker
So next attempt is September 21st, 1911. McCurdy and two new partners in crime are going to rob Citizens Bank in Arkansas. So they spend about two hours breaking through the bank wall with a hammer to get to the safe. McCurdy again. How did they get to spend two hours
00:56:02
Speaker
I don't know. It gets worse. Is everyone like, yeah, man, go ahead. Let's see how long this takes. I'll time you. I guess so. I'll just watch my, I'm sorry, pocket watch, right? Maybe at that time. Right. So after they get through into where the vault is, McCurdy again is a little overzealous with his euthanitroglycerin and blew the vault doors, cleared through the bank, destroyed all the interior of the bank, destroyed the glass, wrecked the furniture,
00:56:30
Speaker
there's there's probably like like debris like a cloud you know you can't even see each other and when it all clears they look and the interior vault door still shut and locked. He didn't even blow all the way into the inside of the vault Lisa. He's a window licker. He is window licker.
00:56:47
Speaker
I bet he gnawed on the side of his textbooks when he was in school. Oh, lord. So this guy, McCurdy, so he takes his knife, throws a blister, and he starts doing the inside wall of the vault. Yeah. But it takes him too long. They're getting nervous. So they literally just grab the money that's on top on this shelf, which is $200, and they peace out.
00:57:09
Speaker
Well, but how much money is $200 and I don't know, but I don't care that is dumb. So that is, that is bot strawberry number three, and this isn't even the worst of it.
00:57:22
Speaker
This one, now this one's not, I guess, on him, on him, but I do, now the bank, everything blowing up, because I can just see the smoke, and he's like, yes! Who cares? The bank is destroyed. And you turn around, and there's the door. It's still, the inside door's intact. Like, you got nowhere. It's like, you know how people learn from their mistakes? He does not. No. It's like, he was like, that's a lot of nitroglycerin. I bet that this will go through the door, and then he did, and melted all the silver. And then he's like, oh, if I use twice that amount,
00:57:50
Speaker
And he still got, he got less money on this one than he did the last one. So in October, McCurdy and two new accomplices decide that they are going to go back into the train robbing business and they are going to rob a Katie train because there is a cabin on there. I think it was cabin number 23 and it's supposed to have in today's amount of money, $400,000.
00:58:15
Speaker
So it was like $10 maybe back then? Right. So they are going to go hijack this money. It was supposed to go pay off something. I don't know. It wasn't important to the story. It's supposed to be keeping it lower here. Right, right. Anyway, the three men actually make it onto the train. No way. The right train. How? I don't know.
00:58:35
Speaker
but they got on the wrong one and got on the passenger cart instead of the car that has the money. So instead of like cart number 23, they got on cart number 29 and they can't get back to 23 where all the money is. I feel like this is the buy you boy. I know. Just to even. So what I wanted to do, like this story was just like, it's kind of weird, but it's kind of funny. And I thought after last time's episode, this episode was just good. Yeah, that was severe. Yeah. So.
00:58:59
Speaker
Um, it would later go into the papers to say this is the smallest train robbery in the history of train robberies. Because they get on this passenger train and they're going to stick them up anyway. That's like a kick in the nards. I know. Like we're taunting you. Not only are you a worthless, worthless human, but you're like the worst robber in history. So all they get is they get $46.
00:59:29
Speaker
from all the passengers. They get a watch from the little like attendant person on the thing. He actually opens the safe for him where people would like store their valuables and he's like, bro, this is all that's here. $46. Take it. Takes the watch. He's like, you know, $46 and three buttons. He gets two bottles of whiskey. He gets a revolver.
00:59:51
Speaker
And they said there was like some beer keg type thing. Did we get lucky enough that he didn't know which way the revolver was supposed to point? Right. OK, I'm just saying, hey, guys, logical question. So they knocked off the top of these beer kegs, drink some beer, and that's all they got out of it. So after the three very disappointing robberies. So basically, at night, they could have gotten at a bar for like $0.79. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet.
01:00:19
Speaker
So they take off and McCurdy goes and tries to go into hiding. Cause at this point he's got three pretty publicized attempted robberies. I mean, he did make the way with some money. Like in that one case $1 all it takes. So he goes to this farm and he asks if he can stay the night traveling, you know, it's 1911 people are nicer back then. So the farm hands are like, Hey, you don't, don't Google anything on this case right now. Sorry.
01:00:48
Speaker
It'll give away. I just wanted to know how much, uh, $46 was in today's dollar amount. Well, I think that they already use the inflation because all the money terms they used were already like in today's dollars. Okay. I think they already inflated it honestly, but I want to know the original, the word like, what, what did they accomplish here? Nothing. They accomplished nothing besides to get both local and federal police hot on their tail. Okay.
01:01:13
Speaker
So he goes to this farm house and he's like, hey. I couldn't even imagine like, you know how they used to have the wanted posters? Oh yeah. Okay. Like world's worst criminals. Honestly. Like Tangled where they kept getting his nose wrong. Yes. Yes. So the farm hands here are like, yeah buddy, you can sleep in the hayloft. Nope. No big deal. Cause you know, that was normal back in the day. Like you, you know, go to, right. So he's sleeping in this hayloft. And, um, at some point during the night or early morning hours,
01:01:41
Speaker
both federal and local police show up and they're like, Hey, have you seen this guy? They're like, yeah, he's asleep up in the hay lot. So they surround him. And in the early morning hours, they basically do the whole, Hey, come out with your hands up. We gotcha. And Elmer says, uh, hails to the note and starts firing at police officers.
01:02:05
Speaker
Right with the the one good one revolver. Yeah. And apparently he did point it in the right. In fact, the right direction. Well, we don't we don't know that yet. We don't know. Sorry. I'm sorry. So gun gun stops and. They enter and and I want to call him Robert. I don't know why. Anyway, Elmer McCurdy's is is dead.
01:02:30
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To a gunshot. He has a gunshot wound. He's dead. Okay. So the murderer at the beginning that I thought was the murderer and not the murderer clearly. Cause I feel like he actually never killed anybody. Dust. He just has kind of what it felt like. He had some pretty bad, uh, bad you do, but you know, I, and I really do kind of feel bad for McCarty. Cause again, ups and downs, ups and downs. And he just ended on a down. I mean, bro, like so. So.
01:02:54
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McCurdy's body was taken to an undertaker in Oklahoma where obviously it went unclaimed.
Posthumous Adventures of McCurdy's Body
01:03:01
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He has no living relatives. The only relatives he had left that we know about are his aunt slash adopted mother Helen and whatever her biological son was, but they're never spoken about again. So I don't really know what happened to them. Maybe he never wanted to have anything to do with them because in all actuality, while he loved her growing up and that was his mom, she gave them up. She said no mas. Yeah. Yeah. So you know what I mean? Yeah.
01:03:24
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So anyway, goes to Oklahoma, um, mortuary where it's unclaimed. Joseph Johnson was the owner and undertaker and he embalmed McCurdy's body. Or McCarty and quotes apparently McCurdy's body. Yeah. But the, um, the whatever, why can't I think of that mortician, all the hall? No, the, no, the stuff that you embalm a body with formaldehyde.
01:03:50
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I don't know where Hall came from. I thought Hall and formaldehyde are so not the same. No, but because all Hall probably don't think it's a word.
01:03:59
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unless it's a different language. It could be a word. You don't know all the words. I don't know all the words. What are you Webster? No. No way. But I know that all Hall and formaldehyde are not similar. Well, I don't know if they use formaldehyde back there, but they use whatever embalming agent they use. Embalming fluid will go there. OK. All right. But Joseph Johnson also laced his embalming fluid with arsenic because they can't get any better. Right. Right. OK.
01:04:27
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So it brought him back to life. No, but the arsenic base preservative used in this air from bombing would actually preserve the body for a really long time. And they use this when there was no next to kin. They didn't know who the next to kin was. So the body could remain more like intact.
01:04:47
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for an extra kin to come claim the body. It's not like they did not know that. I didn't know that either. I did not know that. But I mean, they don't know who his family is. They don't know. He's changed names 150 times at this point. Right. So they have to keep the body looking kind of like it looked. So someone can come and say, oh, hey, that belongs to me, basically. Right. Moral story. I don't just die as a Jane Doe when it's a miscellaneous grave and correct. OK. Oh, no. So.
01:05:16
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He shaved, Joseph Johnson shaved the face of the body, dressed the body in a suit and stored it in the back of his funeral home. But as McCarthy laid unclaimed, Johnson refused to release the body or let it be buried, mainly because that means he just did all this work for free.
01:05:38
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Right. Nobody get nothing for free even after you did. Right. Right. So, um, Johnson decided because he is a nice guy and he doesn't want someone not to know what happened to their family members, right? Decided to exhibit this body to make money.
01:05:57
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What year are we in? We're in like 1911. Oh my gosh. So he dressed the corpse in the clothes it was found in, placed a rifle in it. And he laid it like in this, there's pictures and I'll post them and it's in this like wicker basket type of coffin thing. And it was a hit. Like people came to view this body all that's like over and over, like everybody came. I mean, obviously nobody claimed him, but it's more of a curiosity for six months. He laid there.
01:06:25
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dead as basically a sideshow freak. I mean, so eventually Johnson decided to to put a rifle in his hands and stood him up in the corner.
01:06:40
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And so newspapers went wild about this because he was so brittle from the arsenic lace embalming that he could be, he just stood there like a statue. So they called, the newspapers went wild about him. He was called the mystery man of many aliases, the Oklahoma outlaw, the embalmed bandit. That was the one that stuck the most. And it became a popular attraction.
01:07:04
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Oh my gosh. People would come to this funeral home and they would go pay a nickel to see the embalmed bandit. Like it was a thing. Oh my gosh. And while Johnson later claimed he never made any money off this and it was not for amusement purposes. He just wanted family to be able to claim him.
01:07:24
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It was like five years that he, he, he, his court stood there with a rifle and it's saying like five years. Dude. And the funny, well, not the funny, but the weird thing is like every carnival that would come to town wanted to buy him.
01:07:38
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Like, hey, how's that not like funny? Like, it's not it's not not funny. OK. Like, yeah, that's an attraction that you would see in a carnival, dude, like shrunken heads and like all that kind of weird garbage, the embalmed bandits. So Johnson turned them all down because he said he was waiting on the next weekend in actuality for five years. This guy's making bacon on nothing. And so that's how it went. But on October 6, 1916, so five years,
01:08:06
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um johnson unfortunately got a call from aver unfortunately unfortunately for johnson unfortunately for johnson yeah thank you aver called and he was mccurdy's long-lost brother from california
01:08:21
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And he'd already contacted Osage County, Oklahoma Sheriff and a local attorney to get permission to get his brother's body and ship it to San Francisco for a proper burial because his mother was very upset that he hadn't been buried. His mom's dead. And he never had a sibling. His mom is dead. Yep. Yep. So unfortunately, um,
01:08:47
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So the next day after this phone call, Aver showed up at Johnson's funeral home to claim his brother and he and his other brother, apparently named Wayne, took control of their brother's body, put it on a train to ship it back
01:09:08
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San Francisco right and then like back then there's no ID there's no there's no he knew enough information he had all this information so the man who is like public in the newspaper maybe or I don't know but the men who collected the body was actually James and Charles Patterson the owners of the great Patterson carnival show naturally a traveling carnival so
01:09:33
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They, after learning from his brother Charles about the popular embalmed bandit exhibit, the two concocted this scheme to take possession of the body in order to feature it in their own carnival. So McCurdy's corpse would now be available and a feature in Patterson's traveling carnival as the outlaw who would never be captured alive. Until 1922.
01:09:57
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when Patterson sold his operation to Lewis Sunday. Did they keep re embalming him or something? Because I feel like it's the it's this arsenic based stuff like made his body like basically dried him out and preserved him super well.
01:10:12
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So he traveled all across- It's like, okay, so like how we find mummification, right? And they still have like almost flesh. Yeah. Okay. So he traveled all through the United States. His body traveled all through the United States with the Patterson Carnival Show. Then he was sold to Sonny Lewis and Sonny, or Lewis Sonny, and Sonny used McCurdy's corpse in his traveling museum of crime.
01:10:35
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which featured wax replicas of famous outlaws such as Jesse James and Bill Doolan. But he wasn't a wax statue. He was a real person. So hey, guys, if you ever want to make any money, it doesn't matter what you do, because you don't have to have any kind of a soul. Right. Actually, I'm pretty sure you have to not have one to do what these people do. I would agree.
01:11:04
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So in 1928, the corpse was a part of the official the corpse became a part of the official sideshow that accompany the trams American foot race.
01:11:16
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So first he's a part of a carnival show. Then he's a part of a traveling crime, true crime wax sculpture show. But he ain't waxed. Nope. But then he became part of this trans-American race. What was that movie? Wax House. Wax House? Ugh. That's all. OK, that's all I can think of now. OK.
01:11:40
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So then in 1933, this trans-American foot trace was acquired by the director, Ed Duane-Esper, to promote his ex, Edwin. Duane, Duane Duane-Esper. It's Duane. Okay. Yeah. And he used it to promote his exploitation film, Narcotic with an exclamation point.
01:12:05
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and the corpse was placed in the lobby of theaters as dead dope fiend.
01:12:11
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who Esper claimed had killed himself when surrounded by police after he had been robbed after he robbed a drugstore to support his habit. You know what? That's so demeaning. That is so demeaning. Okay. This is a bank robber that failed at everything he did. And he should be known for that. He had a pretty fantastic, his body had a fantastic ride. So then by the time Esper acquired McCurry's body, it had pretty much become mummified and had shrunken down.
01:12:40
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and they said that he had shrunken so much he almost looked about the stature of a nine-year-old boy. No way. Yeah like he just shrunk. But he like had skin? The skin was deteriorating and it was proof that it was supposedly from the drug abuse so it worked out great for this guy's ploy. After Sunny died in 1949 the corpse was placed in storage in a Los Angeles warehouse just to sit there
01:13:06
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And because why would we bury him? Right. Like, why why would we do anything humane? Because at this point, just like in life, how McCurdy went from town to town changing his name and you couldn't really track like everything, everywhere you've been and everything done at this point. The embalmed bandit has changed hands so many times. He's not listed as a real human. They they think it's a wax sculpture because it was with a traveling wax.
01:13:36
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So nobody knows this is a real body at this point. It's just being bought as a prop over and over. Oh my gosh. So in 1964, Sonny's son Dan lent the corpse to filmmaker David Friedman, and it eventually made a brief appearance in the 1967 film, She Freak, that in 1960... So no, wait a minute. If we were to go look at these movies,
01:14:03
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I think we should try to find this. I think we should, for sure. So then in 1968, Dan Sunny sold the body along with all the other wax figures for $10,000 to Spoonie Singh, the owner of Hollywood's Wax Museum. Singh had bought the figures for two Canadian men who exhibited them at a show at Mount Rushmore. So now his body is at Mount Rushmore being on in this exhibit.
01:14:33
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And while the exhibit was there, it's like he lived a better life as a corpse. Right. So as it was there on exhibit, it sustained some damage in a windstorm. Tips of his ears, along with his fingers and toes are kind of blown off. So this wax figure was no longer a good wax figure. And when they returned the court back to seeing who decided to look too quote unquote gruesome and no longer lifelike enough to be exhibited.
01:14:58
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He sold it to Ed Leecher, the owner of the Pike, an amusement zone in Long Beach, California. And it wasn't until 1976 when Chris Haines was there filming the $6 million man. And some weird kid decided to mess with the mannequin. And they found out that this
01:15:23
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in 1976 that this is really a, well, actually they didn't know what it was. They called the police, the police came and got it. They took it to autopsy. They obviously found out it was a real person. They actually, when they did the autopsy, they found the bullets still like embedded in his hip from the shootout with the cops. And the arsenic embalming embalmed him so well.
01:15:47
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that the, um, the Emmy or the mortician or whoever was looking at the body in 1976 said that it was, it was a human body and it had probably been, you know, it probably died just 10, 20 years ago. No way. It's almost 100 years. Wow. The guys over a hundred years old, the body is over a hundred years old because he was born 1880 January 1st, 1880.
01:16:16
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And I don't remember how, but they did finally, they did finally figure out who it was. And he, he was laid to rest and given a burial place. But he was
Reflections and Absurdity of McCurdy's Story
01:16:27
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born in 1880. It was not put in the ground until 1972.
01:16:33
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That's 176 years. You're telling me. Yeah. You're telling me that the worst bank robber in history is not going down as the worst bank robber in history. He went on to have like this. I mean, he traveled over the entire United States. This little guy from Maine that had ups and downs his whole life in his afterlife.
01:16:56
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his body had one big uphill shabam he was in museums he was in exhibits he was props and movies he was like everything i couldn't imagine honest to god and all because a filmmaker right i'm a filmmaker and i'm sitting here in age 68 is that when the first the first movie was it 68
01:17:18
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67, 67. OK, she freaked. No, no, no. I'm wrong because she freaked was a movie. He was in that one. Narcotic. Yes. 1933. OK. All right. So could you like. Well, I mean, maybe those people may may not be still around. I don't know. 33. Right.
01:17:37
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But DAG HIM! He was almost in The Six Million Dollar Man! Dude! As a background prop! Could you imagine being the filmmaker of that movie and being like, wow, I filmed an actual, like, you know, corpse. Yeah! Is that not crazy? I used a man's body. A hundred and seventy- A man's body! As a prop! It was sold like a lamp! Over and over again, like, oh hey, here, you want some wax figures? One of them's real. Can you tell me which one?
01:18:05
Speaker
The paperwork just got lost! What's that show called with the cake? Oh my god. Nailed it? No. I don't know what you're talking about anymore. Oh my god, no. It's so stupid and simple, but I can't think of it right now. It's, I don't know, it's basically which one's cake. Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
01:18:28
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So yeah, that was, is that not like, you know, it's, it's just a kind of a fun story. Like 176 years, this body roamed the earth. 176 years. That man was not laid to rest. No, he had fun. He just traveled the world at exhibit. It's like, okay. Like I'm sorry. And this is gonna be really crappy to say, but it's like, he lived the right kind of life after he was dead.
01:18:53
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because I mean, he had some in his life, like he had some pretty good highs and some really low lows. And OK, like I get I get that he turned into a criminal. Yeah, but he wasn't a good one. Well, it's not even that, but like, you know, you hear stories about, you know.
01:19:11
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any of the other murderers that we've talked about thus far. And it's like, okay, so here's this one dude, and he was a really crappy train robber, right? But you know what kind of gets me on him being a crappy train robber? Like I get that he only had two weeks training with a nitroglycerin. He didn't really know the nitroglycerin. But plumbing isn't exactly like paperwork. Like it's a very hands-on. You have to know what you're doing. And they didn't have the tools and the diagnostic crap that we have today. No, they're not even close.
01:19:39
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And they said he was a very good plumber and made a good living. So obviously, he was a handsy guy. He operated machine guns in the army. So I really just think that his heart wasn't in the bank or the train robbery thing. Like I think that it was a quick way to make money and he had friends to do it. And if it worked out fine. But I don't think he really applied himself to it.
01:19:59
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Yeah. I think it just went along with it. Like, yeah. And it wasn't like a, I'm going to seek out revenge on everyone that hurt me. Like that was not this guy. No, people are like, Hey, you want to come Rob? Some of them. He's like, sure. I know how to use Nyglisser and use it very well worked my whole life. Why not? Right. But he didn't even like.
01:20:17
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Try to look up any information or recall his training like you basically just poured a bunch of powder on there to see what go boom And then he's like if we didn't make any money powder. I don't know what I Just know nitro glycer. I keep thinking of like marble Marvel series Marvel Marvel Bell Whatever. I'm a girl mom not a boy mom
01:20:37
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I just thought the story was fun. I mean honestly, I mean I know it's horrible to say it's fun. But the fact that he just traveled the world and no one knew it was a real body after the first little while because it changed hands so many times.
01:20:50
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It's like, it's so weird in a fascinating way. And I don't want to be like that person where it's like, it's okay. I'm really, nobody knew nobody knew nobody knew. And like today there's this, um, I think it's called body work. It's super cool. I really want to go see it, but it's basically.
01:21:10
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It's a traveling, it's not a carnival show, it's like a science show. But you can go and it has like different levels of like, it's a body but it's all blood vessels and then it's all muscle and it's different like positions where you can see like the muscles working. Me and your brother wanted to go skate once when it was in a shot. Like it's a really cool exhibit. And it's basically just showing like the inner, like you peel the skin off at different levels and see, you know, what's there. The only thing I can think about right now is like,
01:21:38
Speaker
all these people that do like the real life dogs that you once had. Oh yeah. And now I'm sitting here thinking like, yeah, he was like a stuffed dog. Yeah. Like it could be a real dog, but you're not going to know that.
01:21:52
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yeah no and they didn't like that's creepy after the first little bit the embalmed bandit was no more and they just kept dressing them up and calling them different things how many people really go into a funeral home okay or anybody who involves anything in there they're like that's not the correct procedure
01:22:08
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You know what I mean? Look, I don't know. That's really, literally, I have no idea. It's not like the health department that walks into like a... The vaccine, it was the correct procedure. The arsenic lacing and bombing was something they used if they didn't know who the body was to keep it preserved.
01:22:24
Speaker
That's not what I mean. I don't know what you mean. You. OK, so let's say we have a disastrous car accident and they're like close body. You guys can't see this. Oh, everybody pretty much just kind of takes it for the word. Right.
01:22:40
Speaker
that's always on soap operas like someone dies off and then something happens they dig up the casket and it's just like rocks and she's been in some well putting lotion on the skin for years i don't watch soap operas i did back in the day also you're like soap operas and then you turned it real quick into like silence of the lambs no that was a really a plot on days of our life once i think it no it was a it was a theft
01:23:02
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No, there's a plot on there. You said put lotion on the skin. Well, I know, but she was hidden. Stefano had her. I will lower the basket. I've never seen Silence of the Limb, so you've lost me. But anyway, we'll have to watch it. That's my story. I do think we need to watch She Freak and see if we can spot any of them. OK, so there was.
01:23:22
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There was narcotic exclamation point, which that was more of a documentary type of thing about drug abuse. So I don't know if we could actually find that one, but that one, yeah. And that one he was displayed like in the front of the movie theater as a drug use wax figure.
01:23:40
Speaker
Oh my gosh. But he was actually in the 1967 She-Freak, and I've heard of She-Freak. Somebody at some point had to have posted that on YouTube. Oh, you've got to be able to find it. It's got to be. There were pictures of him, like the newspapers, because, you know... That's what I'm saying. There's got to be some kind of clip. Yeah. But when he was originally in Johnson's Mortuary, you know, waiting for his family to adopt him, whatever
01:24:08
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Like he took pictures of them he's in the newspaper I'll post some of those like they styled his hair They make sure he looks real nice and he really just looked like he was sleeping like the arsenic embalming So imagine this right so you're this person and you're like styling this mannequins head right in this wax figure right and you're like making him look all pretty and you're
01:24:31
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lotioning the skin thus you said right and then all of a sudden this report comes out that this is a human
01:24:42
Speaker
Well, but he knew it when he was in here. How would you react to that? All the people dressing him and all these things. Like, you know, some of them had to be alive when it came out. How did nobody realize, well, that is a very interesting, very correct form of penile region. See, that's the thing, too. They had to know something was up because when you've got a whole wax museum of statues and they've all got the kin bulb procedure and he does not.
01:25:09
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One of these things are not like the other. But again, it's a really old statue. So the statue of David made out of marble has a penis. So maybe they, I don't know what they thought, but all the people that visited it and everything else, like it was real.
01:25:28
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And if that guy hadn't gone to show the mummified penis to his coworker, he'd still be hanging in Coney Island or the Pike, whatever it was called. I don't know, yeah. But I was sitting here thinking, like, all the people that dressed him, all the people that combed his hair, all the people that thought that this was fake. But after a while, he would, like, they just kept him in the same clothes, like, straight clothes. That's not what I mean. They always, people do, like, the...
01:25:53
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We'll put a little bit of powder here. We'll put a little powder there. It's not a person like it's a it's a wax museum. Exactly. No, but that's the point. They do make it look almost perfect because you want it to be realistic. I'm just thinking like this is horrible. This is horrible. But you're in a traveling wax museum, right? You got to go through some hot states because they went through all of them. And at some point some of the wax figures I feel like had to melt.
01:26:23
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are like, you never noticed he never melted? More importantly, when he was at Mount Rushmore and he was on exhibit, right? He got caught in that storm and they said that his ears got damaged to him and his fingertips got damaged. Some of his fingers fell off and that he didn't look good enough to be put on exhibit anymore. No one noticed that those fingers had bones in them.
01:26:51
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Yeah. Like you knew what you had. Now maybe the pike didn't know what they had because they just you know because it was literally they said that this attraction he the body had been covered in phosphorus paint over and over so it kind of glowed in the dark while it swung. Oh my gosh.
01:27:07
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But so they probably, I mean, they didn't dress it up. Yeah, but you know what? It was so crappy dark, carnival. It doesn't glow in the dark, but it's green, buddy. It is solid green and that that corpse was making them money. Oh yeah. I thought you were going to go to the radiation and I was like, arsenic is not radioactive. You twit. When you're saying really, I was thinking glow in the dark or close to the bridge.
01:27:33
Speaker
I am not a tool. I'm not that dumb. Okay, I'm gonna give me very very this is what you have led me to expect Oh, yeah, but no is it that fun story though? I thought you'd like it like it's not like super gruesome or there's not murder mayhem, but it's just you know sickness
01:27:54
Speaker
It's in a very interesting way though. Or is that just me? It could just be me. No, it's well, it is interesting very much so, but I just feel kind of like that. You know what I mean? I don't. He wasn't like this real life sociopath. He wasn't. He was just this guy who was like maybe trying to take his own, right? Things that he thought maybe he deserved.
01:28:20
Speaker
I don't know. He reminds me of Looney Tunes. Like a lot. Coyote trying to get the road runner. Right. Yeah. It's not going to happen. I can't really feel bad for him because his body had a great run. He was in movies. He was in theaters. He was in exhibits. He went to Mount Rushmore. He didn't know more places than I have. It's not that that bothers me. It's the fact, like what you just said, like his fingertips were falling. Like somebody had to know. Yeah. And at some point somebody should have been like, and we talk about this like constantly. At what point are you going to stand up and be like, that's not right.
01:28:50
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Like this is a fun light story. We're not there. We're not doing any tax dollars tonight. We'll pull it out. I'm not talking about tax. You sucking. So there's an H word in there. Well, that is my story on Maine and I thought it was pretty good. That was crazy. I know. So I'm going to have to bring some pretty dark and horrific in my next.
01:29:13
Speaker
So, you have- Oh god almighty. My original steak, guys. I was born there. Alright, well- You better give me a doozy. Spoiler alert. Can't get worse than that. Spoiler alert. I think you're a whore. I'm not a very good one now. I don't have enough money. Anyways, well.
01:29:33
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Oh my God. I would agree. No, wait, that was wrong. That is our, that these are our stories. One, the cannibal and one body that traveled the United States. I hope you liked them. And all of our links will be in the bio or in the show notes. I'm going to put some pictures of my traveling corpse on Facebook and Instagram this week. Wait, was he an actual corpse when you post these? Yes.
01:29:59
Speaker
Well, he was a wax figure, but yes. It was not a wax figure. He was never a wax figure. He was never a wax figure. Nope. So anyway. He was just a dead dude. You went like less than 25 minutes. Like you went right at 25, 26 minutes, an hour to hour and a half because I don't shut up.
01:30:15
Speaker
No, you knew my case. It was so much easier for you. I know. I'm over here like grasping at straws and I'm like, what do you mean? Seventy six. This started in 1880. I know. Isn't it? I know. I was hoping you wouldn't realize it was his body that I started out with. Oh, I did. I did. I did at one point like halfway through your story. But you do like to ramble and I'm cool with that. You like to ramble.
01:30:40
Speaker
I have a problem. And I've been under a lot of stress this week at work. It's like the worst for me because it's my biggest account ever. I just got back from vacation and I walked into a crapshoot. I'm leaving for vacation. Hey guys, I'm just gonna say it. Store high in transit has been my week. Yeah. A store high in transit show.
01:31:02
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I know what you mean there. I know you. I hope somebody did. All right. Well, guys, hope you have a great night day. Hopefully we will get two more recorded this week before I leave next week so we can post some. Yeah, we're getting a little looser here and we're just trying to start revealing ourselves. We're just trying to figure out what you guys are willing to accept. You know what? I reached out to a great podcast.
01:31:26
Speaker
you should listen to them they're called gruesome you shouldn't I have I have I love them so I reached out and why haven't what why no why no Lisa because I like some of their stories and I've got them on my list and you still my lists don't bite me so anyway but I reached out I run I emailed them because you know I finally like I've been thinking about starting the podcast for forever
01:31:46
Speaker
And finally, was like I was to the point where they're like hey you guys should start a podcast we can all do it, we can you know. And that's what I was like hey Lisa we should start a podcast so I sent them a little message just be like hey love your show you girls are great really appreciate you know.
01:32:01
Speaker
I mean, my best friend or only friend, sister-in-law has to like me. Share the podcast. I like out guys. She said best friend. I wasn't. Anyway, I have that in our bio, you dumb dumb. Obviously, you've never looked at it because it's not even a little friends and sisters and hate. No, and hate love.
01:32:20
Speaker
Whatever. We love to hate each other. Yeah. But I told him that we started a podcast and I was like, if you have any advice or any tips and tricks, cause they're the ones that said stay consistent. Like that's the biggest thing is always drop the same week. But we don't do that. Yeah, we've got, we suck. It's because I thought it'd be fun to do all 50 States in the summer and we were doing good before we did that. And now our lives, you're a big idiot, but they emailed me back.
01:32:44
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and no way yeah and they said you chose now to tell me that i forgot about it so you okay yep um you know just enjoy my life on the beach could use some good news but
01:32:56
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because I asked if they had any like tips for us. Which one was it? Was it Meg? Um, I'd have to, well they sign it, Meg and Connie. Okay. Um, but you said that we were getting a lot more loose and it, I, their comments said the biggest thing I have, which obviously we don't really worry about is don't worry about making money. We have no sponsors. We have no, we, I could care less. Losing money at this time. And that's what they said.
01:33:19
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If you enjoy it, just have fun. If you have no listeners, no followers, you never make any money. If it's something you enjoy, enjoy your time and do it and have fun. Don't care about anything else. And I was like, you know what? That's a good point. I don't need to be PC all the time and try to. I do need to try to cycle you because you go in the toilet very quick. Yep, I figured that was coming. I know I want to get it. I can have an opinion, Lisa, but you can't. It's because I'm a nicer person than you are out loud.
01:33:49
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I admit my no no no not out loud over the microphone That's true. They get soon as they pause this you're gonna have some crude things to say about my case That's not that's not true. That's not I want to put a dog shock collar on you and shock you every time you swear on the podcast Oh my god, that would be amazing wouldn't it be hysterical? Maybe I could bring my stabby. I would literally just be like I'd be like People just know I think it'd be fun. Let's do it
01:34:16
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Would you really let me do it? Because Kaya, my parents' dog, has a dog collar and we could crank that B up to 10 and I can- No, no, no, no. Use the taser I got you. I can't- Bella calls it the stabby. Okay. We'll use the stabby. I've shocked mine with- I've shocked- You said it didn't hurt that bad and I want it to really- Yeah, it was not that bad. I want everyone to know what happens when it happens. When it happens. I want them to hear the, and you- It really is a good sound.
01:34:43
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Oh, there'll be noises. I'm not saying that it's it's not painful. I'm saying that it's recoverable. Yeah. Anyway, that's why I've loosened up because they were like, just have fun. And I was like, you know what? Screw it. I don't care how many people listen. I had no idea that they responded to you. They even reached out. That's kind of lame that you wouldn't tell me such things. Well, if you checked our Gmail account, twisted tells true crime at Gmail dot com. I forget the Gmail account a lot. I also forget our Instagram.
01:35:13
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and our Facebook and guys, I am not a social media kind of gal. Like she's just not a social person. No, you know, not even a little. No, she doesn't like other people. Like that would be my my my serial killer. You know, if I would have murdered a bunch of people, Faith would come back on the podcast later that day. Hey, guys, guys, look, I knew this was coming. No, because you would never get around that many people to kill them.
01:35:44
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That's a good point. Unless daylight came and knocked on your door and you're like, oh, come in, dear friend, pow pow. Nah, I wouldn't be pow pow.
01:35:52
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I don't know. We're not getting into that either way. Yeah, guys, tomato. Twisted Tales is not because we tell Twisted Tales. It's because we're both twisted and we tell tales. And that's pretty much what we got for tonight. An hour and 36 minutes because Faith is a blowhard. She's a talker. I haven't been able to talk all day at work like the past few days. So I got a lot of stuff in here anyway. All right. I'm going to sign off because we rambled and
01:36:19
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That's all. See you later, guys. Bye. Y'all have a great night. God bless.