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MURDERED - No One Heard A Thing
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This tale is coming close to home for us, and for our first episode - we wanted to share the details. We are discussing the brutal murders of Channon Christian & Christopher Newson Jr. from Knoxville, TN. This tragic tale is extremely brutal, but not as well known in the true crime world. Listen along to the horrific story of these two lovely people, whose lives were taken too soon; and the trials of those responsible.
TRIGGER WARNING: torture, sexual abuse and murder - among others.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Origin
00:00:10
Speaker
Hi, guys, and welcome to our podcast, part two. You've never heard part one because we ditched it and we recorded it. Never hear part one. Nope, but my name is Faith. I'm Lisa. And you are listening to Twisted Tales, a true crime podcast. Well, Faith, after some debate,
00:00:32
Speaker
I took the first one. I basically stole your idea. Yeah, there was no debate. It was, hey, we should do the podcast. And I tried to get you excited about it. And you stole the one I wanted. But that's OK. I'm not a thief. I simply just got there first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The Crime Story Begins
00:00:50
Speaker
So I am going to start this one out. I'll tell you a little known story that happened pretty close to where we all live.
00:00:59
Speaker
And just hope you guys will bear with us. Some of this gets really, really ugly. I'll be sure to warn everybody before we get super into the details. So here we go. I am going to start with the victim's names and we'll keep going. So Chris Newsom and Shannon Christensen. Chris was a 23 year old carpenter and Shannon was a,
00:01:28
Speaker
21-year-old college student. Correct. Yeah. So both young adults, both loved by their family and friends, and both had their entire lives ahead of them. Chris and Shannon had recently started dating. They were introduced by a mutual friend. At the time they met, Chris was working full-time. And Shannon was a student working two part-time jobs. And her graduation, she was getting ready to graduate with a master's in sociology.
00:01:58
Speaker
which is the study of people and society. Yeah, pretty, pretty glamorous. So I saw a lot of the photos of the two of them and honestly, they were really a cucumber. They were adorable. They really were. On the night of January 6th, 2007, their newly found happiness would come to a bitter end, like a horrific end. So with that being said, I'm gonna go through a little bit of the trigger warnings.
00:02:28
Speaker
rape in every possible way. Sodomy, mutilation of a corpse, torture, and murder. So January 6 was just a pretty typical day for two young adults. Chris spent the day golfing with his best friend. And Shannon was with her best friend at her best friend's apartment.
The Carjacking Incident
00:02:52
Speaker
And the plan was for the two of them to meet up at Chris Shannon's friend's apartment for the two of them. And they were going to get some dinner and meet me back up with all of their friends at a birthday party, I believe. That night, Shannon told her friends that Chris was on the way and they were going to go get food or whatnot. And they'd meet up with them at the party later on. And so naturally, Shannon's friend took off. Nobody wants to be a third wheel.
00:03:21
Speaker
Especially now the new couple. That's the worst. That's just gross. Anyway, where's that at? Fred left. They were going to get food. She was waiting on Chris. Waiting on Chris. So Chris arrived and they ended up hanging out inside the apartment for a little bit doing their own little thing. And this account at this point was given by one of the criminals.
00:03:49
Speaker
as to what he approached. Reliable source. Well, I mean, honestly, there's really no way of knowing what took place from beginning to end. So a lot of it, you know, some of it makes sense, some of it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But he claimed that they pulled up to the apartment complex and the goal was to carjack them and take Janet's car. So they pulled up.
00:04:22
Speaker
Two men got out of the car and rushed. Shannon, who was sitting in the driver's side seat and Chris was standing like inside the doorway. You know, he said they're probably like kissing or hugging or... Couple things. Yeah. New couple things. College couple things. Yeah.
00:04:40
Speaker
They rushed them at gunpoint and forced them into the back of the SUV. At this point, her truck is being taken over by these two men. The third man was driving the other car they arrived in back to this house on Trippin Street. When you carjack someone just out of curiosity,
00:05:10
Speaker
Typically you just jack the car if that's the... You know, I thought that's why they called it like a car jacking. It's not kidnapping.
Rising Concerns and Search Efforts
00:05:20
Speaker
Kidnapping is when you take someone against the wheel, which is... That's what happened. Yeah, okay. All right. We're on the same page. Continue. All right. So meanwhile, at the party that Shannon and Chris were supposed to show up that, their friends were starting to wonder like where they are.
00:05:39
Speaker
Okay, obviously. Normal things, right? So they start texting their friends, you know, Shannon texted her, or Shannon's friends texted her, Chris's friends texted him. And they're like, you know, hey guys, where you at? Waiting on you. All that good fun stuff. And they got absolutely no reply from Chris or Shannon.
00:06:02
Speaker
for Shannon's friends from what they had testified during some of these trials was that she's not typical for Shannon, especially to not respond to a text message from her best friend. So the next morning, Shannon didn't show up for work. And so her boss called her parents, which I'm gonna stop here and just say like, when you know somebody and you have a character like that,
00:06:31
Speaker
a guy who's like, you know, this is not like her, I'm just gonna call her parent and make sure everything's okay. Like just to check up on somebody is a good thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, this is this is kind of odd. I'm just gonna make sure everything's okay. She could have gotten to a wreck on the way to work and anything can happen. Yeah. So kudos to that guy for just
00:06:51
Speaker
actually being proactive. And I was gonna say it goes to her character to think that she's not a no-call-no-show because some people when they don't show up to work you're like oh it's a Monday. They don't ever come to work on Mondays. So she's reliable. Appearance sake, she is more than likely reliable.
00:07:13
Speaker
That is correct. So her mom actually was the one that had answered the phone. She was like, I haven't heard from her either. I called her a few times. She still hasn't responded to me. So when she hung up with Shannon's boss, she called Chris's parents. Chris's parents were like, no, we haven't really heard from him either. But that's not abnormal not to hear from your 23-year-old son who's just out living it live. But in their guts, they just kind of felt like someone, right?
00:07:45
Speaker
So when Shannon's friend got back to her apartment, she noticed that Chris Chris's truck was still there. Okay, Shannon's SUV was not. So everyone started to freak out a little bit because it just wasn't like them to just sort of disappear and not you've not heard from them. Now it's been almost 12 hours, which really doesn't seem like that long. But
00:08:09
Speaker
You know, when you're just used to a certain- I was going to say, but when you know, I mean, it all goes to character and how close. Like if, if I went 12 hours without talking to my parents, especially back in college, 21, my mom would have an APB, probably some kind of hidden tracker that she's installed within my skin activated. And she's going to find me.
00:08:35
Speaker
Like, especially if it's over, because 12 hours it's overnight. So while they were a new couple, obviously they're close to their family, they're close to their friends, and everyone has said they didn't show up where they were supposed to show up. There's too many sugar and red flags coming up for them not to know something is going on. Something's out of the ordinary. Right, exactly.
00:08:58
Speaker
Um, so both sets of parents did what they felt like they needed to do. And they started calling around to hospitals and jails just out of, you know, not that they weren't like bad kids or anything, but you know, you get pulled over whatever mouthy or something. It doesn't matter either way. They were just trying to find these kids. Correct.
00:09:16
Speaker
Again, kudos to those parents because they just jumped into action. They tried to follow a missing person report, but they were only gone for like 12 hours, so the detective's like, you know. Got to be the 24 hour mark. I know. I hate that. You know, I do too, because I just feel like, you know, they say it takes 48 hours really before somebody like what disappears or, you know.
00:09:38
Speaker
This isn't finding them alive. It's 48 hours. But if you can't file a report... Well, they say the first few hours are the most crucial in getting anybody back alive. I don't remember the hour mark, but it's... I thought it was something like 48. I could be totally wrong. I
Discovery of Victims' Bodies
00:09:53
Speaker
don't know. I thought it was a smaller window. It could be 48 hours. But those first few hours getting boots on the grounds to try to talk to and recreate a timeline with fresh eyes, because good lord, eyewitness testimonies are horrible.
00:10:07
Speaker
So the 24-hour rule, I mean in some cases I get it. If you're a frequent runaway, if you've got substance abuse problems, if you are kind of a no-call, no-show type of person, sure, but if you're a reliable, you're always where you're supposed to be type of deal, you call and let people know because this case started in what, 2007?
00:10:23
Speaker
So cell phones are a thing. It's not like they couldn't. It's not like, you know, it's, you know, the 1980s where they have to go find a pay phone. They could have sent a text or made a call and said, hey, I'm spending the night here. I'm going here. So it's completely out of the ordinary.
00:10:40
Speaker
for at least her to say that. At that point she was still living at home because you know she's a college student she didn't want to do the dorm life she definitely didn't want to pay for an apartment downtown. Good lord no. You know so just saving money she just lived with her parents so she was going to graduate so. Which is kind of typical in East Tennessee. Yeah it is typical in East Tennessee it's also typical for them to call and say
00:11:04
Speaker
Hey, Mel, I'm gonna stay at whoever's house tonight, or this is the plan. Or at least lie. If you are gonna have a sleepover with your boyfriend, you don't want your parents to know. Is there a respect issue? Well, I don't know. When I was 21, heck no, I wouldn't want my parents to know anything like that. I mean, I was a good girl, but still, if you're gonna do that, you lie and say, I'm gonna spend the night at Mary Sue's house.
00:11:30
Speaker
And at least let them know so they're not looking, because if they start looking for you, then they're gonna catch you. It's like you lived high school in your college years. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Let's not. Okay. I'm sorry. I had a complex and I still have it to this day, over 30s, close to 40, where I need to please my parents. And I'm gonna say it's a respect issue. So let's just move along and quit making fun of me.
00:11:54
Speaker
Because you were like 10 when you started disobeying and being a horrible person. Uh, first of all, I'm not a horrible person. Move on. I'm a delight. We're talking to, that's my phrase, not yours. Let's, let's talk about Shannon. Fine. Anyways, so, uh, no, no missing pop, uh, no missing persons report filed. Uh, the detective pretty much told the parents, like, if you want to go look for them yourself, you can.
00:12:20
Speaker
Which I would. Yeah, and that's exactly what they did. In fact, both sets of parents knew cops at that time.
00:12:29
Speaker
who after they got off their shifts actually went to help. Good. So, you know, I think that back to the 24-hour rule, not to really harp on it because I have and I've not gotten off my soapbox yet, but it's got to be frustrating for certain cops too. Like, A, if they know the victim, like in that case, you know that's got to drive them insane. But B, if they're looking at these people who are like, this is out of their character, look at all this stuff, you know that they want to be able to do more, but it's
00:12:55
Speaker
It's just literally out of their control. Yeah, it's out. Yeah, whole 24-hour-old stupid. We've established that. I will get off my soapbox. Continue. Yeah, that horse is pretty good. Yeah, you couldn't beat it anymore. Sorry about that, guys. It's all good. It's all good. All right, so Shannon's dad, very proactive, turned around, started calling their phone provider. And they were like, hey, can you ping her cell phone? Such a good idea. And so they did get
00:13:24
Speaker
like a last known over by a certain tower on Cherry Street. Which if you're not familiar with the Knoxville region, Cherry Street is not the best street.
00:13:35
Speaker
That's not where a 21-year-old good girl should be pinging from. I'm just gonna say. Every city, every state has one. It's the red light district. If you want drugs, that's where you go. If you're looking for a hooker, that's where you go. And every place has them, they're there. But it's not really a typical scene that most people go hang out at, especially at their age.
00:14:02
Speaker
And in 2007. And in 2007. It was a lot worse then. Right. So they searched, they all took out like search parties, the detective met up with them and he was like, if you find the truck, if you find anything, call me immediately. Don't touch anything, you know, just being a typical cop, but also a friend.
00:14:28
Speaker
Yeah. So they searched for hours and finally her dad, of all people, Shannon's dad found her truck. He called the police and within minutes there were cops everywhere. And despite her jacket in the truck... Wait, hold on. Pause. They found the truck. They found the truck. So just to recap, this is planned carjacking.
00:14:55
Speaker
yes that they took the people also aka kidnapping and they disposed of the truck which they were carjacking yeah we didn't hit on that the first time we recorded this that was super bad so why would you why would you say it's a carjacking when you leave the car like you dumped the car what are you gonna do claim the insurance on something that's not yours well maybe some people will
00:15:19
Speaker
you know, put two and two together at some point, I don't really know. Okay, sorry. I didn't hit that. That is a valid point. Okay, continue. So despite Janet's jacket being in the car, the car looked like it had been wiped down. And so the cops, based on her jacket being in the car, decided to just go ahead and impound it. Because, you know, they had to treat it like it was just an abandoned vehicle. Correct. But if they impounded it, they could search the truck.
00:15:48
Speaker
and pound away. Yeah, yeah. So that Monday morning, a passing train engineer saw a smoldering something on the side of the tracks that looked like a human. So he called it in immediately. Chris's body was found nude. About 80% of his body was burned.
Trials and Defense Claims
00:16:17
Speaker
But one of the detectives that got called to that scene pretty much identified him right off the bat. Like he knew it was Chris. They had grown up together. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, he was like a family friend or or something like that. But I mean, it's, you know, typical country type knit, you know, everybody knows everybody. And so. The detectives was were called to the
00:16:47
Speaker
to the scene and they had to start processing. But at this point, once they identified it as Chris, they knew Shannon was somewhere like not good. So now the main focus for all the law enforcement was find Shannon quickly because
00:17:10
Speaker
But it's not like they're any further in the investigation if he's pretty much, I mean, what, you said 80% was burned? So it's not like he's gonna have a lot of clues or evidence, there we go, evidence on his personage. He doesn't have his clothes on. That is, you know, I'll get into more details about autopsy because really,
00:17:37
Speaker
based on the scene that they found, they had no idea what had happened. During the time, Channing's truck that had been impounded was being searched at that point. And they found an envelope and they found fingerprints on it. Nice. Yeah, not hers. I was gonna say. No, not even close. So they ran the prints, turns out to be an ex-con who recently just got out of jail for what?
00:18:08
Speaker
I'm gonna say, I wanna say rape, but I'm gonna go with carjacking. Carjacking. And I'm talking like less than eight weeks. Excellent. Right. Is he not meeting with like a parole officer or something? We don't know. I don't really know how that works, you know. Okay. He was clearly rehabilitated when they let him out, so. Well, he learned to take the people with the car this time. Well, yeah, apparently. We're just, you know, molding as we go.
00:18:35
Speaker
Um, so that's, that's kind of how they got, uh, you know, onto the track of where they needed to go next. So they got the address to Lamarcus Davidson's home. They stormed the house and they found a plastic garbage can upon entry to the house, like right inside the kitchen wedged between a kitchen table and the wall. And, um, when they opened it, uh, Jenin was inside the bin.
00:19:08
Speaker
So now we're going to get to the I'm going to I'll name out these five individuals. Kind of give you a little bit of relation. I'm not going to give you a whole lot of background because truthfully, I don't I don't think they even deserve my breath to talk about, but we're going to anyways. Lamarcus Davis was the ringleader or Davidson, sorry. Letalvis Cobbins, that was Lamarcus's brother, Vanessa Coleman.
00:19:37
Speaker
which was Cobbins' girlfriend, Eric Boyd, Davidson's friend, and George Thomas, which was Cobbins' best friend. Now there are, I just named out five people. So we went from finding the fingerprints of one man, and after all of this ugly little ball unravels, it turns out that there were five assailants
00:20:06
Speaker
that took part in these murders. So that being said, guys, we're gonna start in with the trigger warnings I was talking about earlier. I'm gonna start going through jumping around kind of in trials and what they found in these trials. And it's pretty horrendous. So Lamarcus, which was the ringleader in his defense, or defense,
00:20:33
Speaker
He said that they came to him for drugs. The people he carjacked? Yeah. Okay. His main line of defense was that he did not carjack them, that they voluntarily walked into his home, and they were there to purchase drugs. He doesn't know what happened. Okay, back to just common sense. Yeah. If you're a drug dealer,
00:21:01
Speaker
and you have people coming to your house to buy your product, any kind of salesperson, and you kill those people, repeat business is going to not be a thing. And I'm assuming that's kind of where they make their money is. But yeah, yeah, people continue to come back. But I think more or less he was just trying to say like, oh, you know, I mean, I might have seen them that night. I'm going to admit to being a drug dealer, which is illegal. So obviously I would admit to this other crime too. Okay.
00:21:32
Speaker
So, his whole case was so irrelevant anyways. There was DNA. There were fingerprints on everything he touched when he was- Yeah, they came to his house. Why is the envelope with his fingerprints in their car? Yeah. Okay. You can say there were bright people. Yeah, I honestly wonder about the people that were defending them who went to school for years and years and they thought, this is a great defense. Completely, completely. Fantastic.
00:22:02
Speaker
So, um, you know, that was the, that was like the kind of basics to, to his trial that, and that, oh, poor me victim mentality. Like, yeah, I had this horrible childhood and I know my mom was an addict. I got kicked out of my house when I was younger. I, you know, this and that.
Emotional Testimonies and Autopsies
00:22:19
Speaker
I had to live with my aunt, but... Because he's the one I pity in this situation. Oh, yeah. Chris was found naked and burned to death on a railroad tack, and you said Shannon was in a bucket, a large... A bin. A bin. But let's... Yeah, okay. Okay. So skip down to Latalvis Cobbins, who is Davidson's brother. So his testimony
00:22:43
Speaker
was more like widely noted because he was the only one out of the five who actually spoke for himself at the trial. Oh. Nobody else would take the stand and try to defend himself with it. Well, because it's a lot of lies to keep up with at this point. It really is. We're carjacking, but we're kidnapping. We're carjacking, but we're leaving the car. We're not carjacking because they're coming to buy drugs, which I'm just going to say, even if they went to buy drugs, that is an excuse. There's never any kind of
00:23:14
Speaker
Reason that you should be submitted to what they were submitted to. There's no there's no good reason. No, I don't care No, it doesn't matter. It's totally like the whole thing was just so irrelevant But
00:23:28
Speaker
I guess I feel like people always have to have some kind of a reasoning behind why somebody would do that. So like during these trials with whole like bad mom, you know, no dad or whatever, like they're trying to rationalize and wrap their head around what could possibly make somebody do something like that. But you can't make sense of, it's like I say about an acquaintance of ours will say,
00:23:54
Speaker
You can't think logically about an insane person, the crazy person. You can't make sense of when people do awful, horrible things in murder and rape and pillaging. You can't make sense of why they do that. No, evil's evil. Yeah, yes. There's no rhyme or reason for evil. It just is.
00:24:14
Speaker
But I digress and we'll jump back. So what Talvus Collins's trial was really rough to watch. When he took the stand and he was doing his recount of what had happened, starting from the night, his was the testimony that he said, this is what I pulled up on. This is what my brother and Eric Boyd did. This is how they were standing, blah, blah, blah.
00:24:40
Speaker
He's, you know, basically through the whole thing. So he took the stand just to say it wasn't me. And I was there, but. You're not going to like where I'm going. OK, continue. After they did all the ran, all the rape kits and everything on. The kids bodies. Pretty much anything on Chris was inconclusive, because again, they set him on fire. Yeah.
00:25:11
Speaker
But they still could prove that he was raped and sodomized. But there was still DNA everywhere with Shannon. And they found DNA on her shirt. And that was at that point because Coven's original, when he was telling the cops what happened, all that's recorded. So he's like, I didn't see anything. I don't know. My brother was tripping and this and that. And no, I never touched that girl. I never did anything to that girl.
00:25:41
Speaker
which is all honky-donkey until the DNA results came back in. It turns out it was his, you know, sperm, basically that was on her shirt. So then he retracted all of the statements and on the stand as he is giving his testimony with their parents all in the room in front of God and everybody, he said, and I quote, she offered me oral sex so that I would talk to LaMarcus about letting her go.
00:26:13
Speaker
I wish that we could put just a little blip of her father's face at that exact moment. Oh my gosh, dude. Dude, you don't even know. You don't even know. So we will jump around again a little bit more, and I'm going to discuss a little bit more. We'll get back to Cobbins in a moment. I'm going to jump down to Eric Boyd, who at this point was solely being detained by the cops because
00:26:43
Speaker
there was really no presence of him at the crime scene anywhere. And they thought him a witness at this point. I'm gonna guess that's not the case, but let's find out. Not the case. One of his boys threw him under the bus. Good. And that was actually George Thomas who told him, the court basically, that Eric Boyd was part of the carjacking.
00:27:09
Speaker
Not only was he part of the carjacking, but he was the one basically responsible for everything that happened to Chris. And so, like I said, Chris was sodomized. He was raped. I think they said that it could have possibly been a broken chair leg or something like that, that they sodomized him with.
00:27:32
Speaker
And now, like, see, here's like the weird part of all this is just like so much time elapsing in all of these stories that like, okay, so did that go on in the house? Did that happen, you know, when they took him to where he died? Is this, you know, like, nobody knows, but I don't see somebody just walking around with a broken chair leg. Like, I would assume it happened when they brought him back to this house on Sherwood Street. Can you imagine being Shannon in the other room terrified, not knowing what's going to happen, but you can hear his screams?
00:28:02
Speaker
Well, see, that's the main part of why we named this, what we named this. It's because during all a lot of these testimonies, they didn't hear anything. Nobody ever hears anything. Didn't see or hear a word. So George Thomas threw Boyd under the bus and basically said that he was the one that brought
00:28:31
Speaker
Chris down to the railroad tracks. And George was also with him, by the way. He took part in nothing like they just, he was forced to go by, by, I'm sorry, LaMarcus, forced him to go. So, you know, he was witness to all this, but, you know, he didn't participate. Like, you know. Also didn't call anybody or.
00:28:53
Speaker
Run, run. Yeah, run. It's downtown Knoxville. You can't detain two people at one time if you're only one person. It's not even that, man. Run. Any part of the railroad tracks, with the exception of when it's going through a major... All of it runs through woods. Boyd would not have been able to find it.
00:29:09
Speaker
I don't do outdoors, really. I don't do downtown because it terrifies me. I don't know where to park. There's a lot of one-way streets. I get confused easily. I end up crying. Yeah, pretty much I'm an indoor person. I mean, we're outdoors recording this because we have two mongrels inside that are our children. And they're with my poor husband. We have a better look out here. But yes.
00:29:37
Speaker
But run, I mean, even if I was, you run, scared or not, run. So, no, you're not being held against your will. Even just for fun's sake, let's say, Boyd threatened to shoot him. Right. Run it a zigzag. Okay. Okay. If you just saw what they did to Chris. Well, he, what likely Boyd did, unless you were participating.
00:30:05
Speaker
But if you're going with a story, he is held against his will, he is a poor pitiful captive. And you're being forced to gunpoint. You can't hold, I mean, sure, you could have a gun in both hands and point it to both of them. But if you just saw what happened to Chris and it has to happen to you, you gotta think. Zigzag run. Worse comes to worse, it's a slower death than what poor Chris had to live through. Yeah. Yeah. So. Somebody called BS on that.
00:30:34
Speaker
I would have to agree. So they take Chris down to the trait tracks. It's George and Boyd. Again, George's recount. And they made him walk down their barefoot. He was bound. He was blindfolded. And after they get him down to whatever spot they picked or whatever, they shot him twice in the back. And then he wasn't dead yet, but he fell to his knees.
00:31:04
Speaker
And so they put the gun to the back of his head, like execution. I would like to say back to exhibit A. He's not a good shot when he shoots the other guy twice in the back. If you're being held against, you will run in his exec. So after they shot him in the back of the head, I guess that wasn't fun enough for him. So just again, on such a pre non premeditated case like this all just happened.
00:31:31
Speaker
They had gas cans apparently, and so they dumped the gas cans on him, and they set him on fire. But he was at least deceased at this point. Yes, he was to my knowledge deceased when they did that. I mean, not thank God that he's dead, but thank God that he was not alive when they set him on fire. No, absolutely. Like I said, guys, this is savage, and it's just so pointless. I don't get it.
00:32:01
Speaker
Um, with that Boyd, uh, received life from prison. Good. Um, with that, that fun little note, LaMarcus wound up with a death penalty and life in prison because I, you know, it's two different trials or whatever. So like what happened with Shannon and then again, what happened with Chris? So.
00:32:27
Speaker
I'll turn my attention over to Vanessa Coleman, which was the lone female in this case. During her court trials or whatnot, they were going through the autopsies of both Chris and Shannon. And during one of hers, which I didn't know this at the time, but one of the assistant medical examiners started crying when they were going through
00:32:54
Speaker
That's got to be just an awful job. Somebody that's even, yeah. I mean, I can't, I couldn't even imagine like some of the things that they revealed during this woman's testimony about the autopsy that she had performed. And during Coven's trial, the assistant prosecutor, when they were going through all this on what had happened, she passed out. And her parents had to listen, his parents, both of their parents,
00:33:23
Speaker
had to listen. Every single one of the trials. Every single one of the trials. So five trials, they had to sit there and. You have to die inside just a little more each time. I can't even explain to you because they show some of these, the videos of the trial on YouTube. Because like I said guys, this was a huge case in Tennessee. Lesser known really publicly.
00:33:52
Speaker
But in Tennessee, it rocked everybody's world. And they were like, how does this happen? Again, I digress. So Vanessa Coleman, when she was first taken in by the police, basically just kept saying over and over again, I don't know anything. I didn't hear anything. I never saw Chris. I never saw any, you know, just basic.
00:34:22
Speaker
you know, you're here for an
Suspect's Role and Missed Chances
00:34:24
Speaker
entire weekend and you saw and heard nothing. And Colbins actually had said the same thing about Chris. He said, I never saw what happened to Chris. So nobody in like, and we're not talking about a big house. No, I'll get there. Okay. Well, yeah, we'll get there. This is, like I said, these, her, uh, Latellvises, I got a lot of the information that I got for this podcast was over his trial because like I said, his was the most,
00:34:52
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reprehensible, I guess, for lack of a better word. They didn't really air a whole lot on the Marcus. Everybody knew he was guilty like you. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, it was this guy. Like we knew he was the ringleader. We knew he did the whole thing. Like basically you're, whatever. So, wow, man, I lost my train of thought again.
00:35:15
Speaker
We're talking about, yes, the sweet, sweet girl that heard nothing while people were brutally murdered. They were saying that neither of them had seen Chris, which was a lie, it turns out, because they were all sitting in the kitchen. Shocker flies. When they drug the kids in in the first place. Good night. So Vanessa goes to her trial, her first trial, and I'll say first for a reason, because again, nothing about this is okay.
00:35:46
Speaker
First trial comes around and they've got her on what they call criminal responsibility, where that's all they have to do to prove that her guilt is to prove that she was in fact criminally responsible for what happened to these two kids. Because she could have helped. She could have made a phone call. She could have left. Well, it comes out during her trial that she had actually been alone with a victim.
00:36:15
Speaker
Which victim? Shannon. In the house, nobody was there. And she was alone with her like 45 minutes to an hour or something like that. That's enough time to get help. Or let her escape. Or say that she, you know, ran away. Punch yourself in the face and let her escape and say she attacked me. Like, hey, give me a quick jab before you go so I don't die. Yeah, something. Yeah. But that is not what happened.
00:36:45
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Of course not. Again, bouncing back up to the other trial, Cobin said that all the guys left him and Vanessa. So he was now claiming that he was, in fact, alone with Shannon. During his statement, he said anywhere between 45 minutes to an hour, the first time, they all left. So now we're looking at multiple times where both of these people were left alone with Shannon.
00:37:14
Speaker
And nobody did a thing. Nobody heard. Now, isn't, remind me, LaTovis is the one that she offered sexual favors to, to talk to, supposedly. Yeah, while his girlfriend was in the next room. But if he was alone with her and he was such an upstanding citizen that he would talk to his friend, why would he not let, why would she not offer them when they're alone? Let me go. I mean, if we're going to go with the... And that was another, like, major part to Vanessa's statements is that,
00:37:45
Speaker
You know, Shannon never said anything to her. Never ever asked for help, never nothing. Of course not. After all the screaming that was already going on in this house, Shannon never made a word. Well, if I was kidnapped and blindfolded and shoved into a room and heard my boyfriend screaming hysterically, I would probably sit there absolutely silent after I heard the door shut and obviously no one's there. Yeah. I would scream my bloody head off.
00:38:12
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She was bound with her hands like tied in front, but they tied her on an air mattress with both of her feet. I'm like reenacting it like anybody can see. Like I wasn't going to make fun of you, but yeah, no one can see you. We turned off the video because we don't like to see our fat faces on the screen. Not you. Anyways, they
00:38:41
Speaker
you know, they put her hands together and then they roped her to a duffel bag in the back that was filled with books and weights. And then same thing with her feet. She was completely immobile. She couldn't do anything. And so at some point, Vanessa brought her water, but apparently so did Letalbus. That was the water point with Letalbus was when she offered him
00:39:09
Speaker
How did Vanessa bring her water if she didn't see or hear anything? That's a really good question. Like, did she just she just bring the water in the room and set it down beside her as she's tied and weighted down just in case, you know, she might want that water later. But she might want that water later. I mean, Vanessa, because she never saw her, Shannon. So how would she offer her water? She had to retract that statement. OK, so we we know she saw.
00:39:38
Speaker
Because you have to you can't cops aren't that stupid. Like just people in general aren't that stupid. You would really hope not. And but she says, Okay, I find I saw her in the back room. I brought her water, but she didn't say anything to me. You're the only female in the house. Just nothing. And she said nothing to you. Not let me go not help me not just
00:40:06
Speaker
I just got her some water. Thank you for the water. I'm parched. May I please have a beverage? I have no idea. So again, she didn't hear anything. One of my favorite ports, when George was first arrested for all this, he said he was sleeping.
00:40:36
Speaker
I have no idea what you're talking about guys I was asleep the whole weekend actually. If you're gonna be dumb enough to commit a crime in a group where someone's obviously gonna turn on you do you not have like a little bit of foresight to maybe compare stories like have you never seen a heist movie where you you know they're gonna get busted you know someone's gonna turn on you determine the weakest link and all agree to a story and
Revisiting the Crime's Brutality
00:41:02
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it's like it's so weird because it's like part of this is so
00:41:05
Speaker
They had to have known they were going to do something to these people that night. But then it was like not. The whole thing is, I mean, obviously horrific and grotesque, but just the blatant idiotic lies are, it's an insult to people's intelligence. The sheer stupidity of all of it. Like, whatever. Tintin, you sorry. All right.
00:41:34
Speaker
Oh, George was asleep. Yeah, that was just a fun little side note. OK, but I'm getting ready. I'm trying to breathe it out here because we're going to start talking about some stuff. So during Vanessa's, I heard nothing statement. Dan, they are doing the. Examination part of the autopsy report.
00:42:01
Speaker
And that was when we really got a clear picture of what happened to Janet. I don't think we want a clear picture. So they were doing slides and, you know, I didn't see any of the slides. I don't ever want to see any of the slides. It was hard enough just hearing the testimony. There's some things you just can't unsee once you see. There's some things you can't. Did they show these slides in the court? Yes. Her poor parents, man. No, her parents. Yeah.
00:42:30
Speaker
Yeah, Chris's parents do, man. Well, yeah. But his autopsy, you're not going to get as much out of. Right. So his parents were at least spared some indignity. Yeah. So let's jump into this. The coroner giving her testimony was explaining things.
00:42:58
Speaker
The bruising, the hematoma that had developed and basically giving you a timeline over 36 hours of what Shannon had to endure. So during Vanessa's trial, she had stated that the guys came back and
00:43:30
Speaker
I mean, there's not a nice way to say it, but basically all the guys had a turn. And, you know, that's where I start really getting baffled by her statement that she just didn't hear anything. And then it was, well, the television was waving a gun at me. I, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it's, I feel like all of them somehow turned into victims themselves, which to me is not the viable excuse. No, there are five people.
00:43:58
Speaker
There are four of you that sat there and said that there was something wrong with what was happening, but all four of you did nothing. It was all this one day, whatever. So back to the foreigner, they, she, you know, all the bruising, she was mutilated in her genitalia, sodomized in her genitalia, sodomized on the other side in her anus, raped orally, so bad so that she had damaged the back of her throat.
Reflection on Crime and Justice
00:44:26
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And they actually ripped her upper lip.
00:44:31
Speaker
But, you know, she was offering all sides, right? For her freedom. Her poor dad and mom and siblings and anyone that knew her and the general public that had to hear it. Her best friend had to jump up and run. I can never do that. I can never not know the mental stability alone of the parents that had to sit there and listen to that. Like, I don't even know.
00:45:01
Speaker
So they get through all this chaos and like, oh, dude, I'll tell you what. If you look at anything or you watch anything, you have to go to a Talvus confidence. Um, I think it was his trial where his dad, her dad, Jenna's dad was just sitting there like this, like rocking. And like, he didn't take one look at the autopsy slides. He was focused totally on the, on the Talvus.
00:45:31
Speaker
Yeah, I remember like there's not, I remember a lot about the case, like I remember hearing about it. I remember news articles, I remember, you know, just everything. But the biggest comment was always that like, in these things, you know, parents are grieving, they're crying, they're emotional, and her dad was like, laser focused.
00:45:56
Speaker
I think I equated it the other day to like a police guard dog that knows he's about to attack or like a drug dog that knows he's about to go and he's just waiting on that command. Go. Yeah. Like that's it. Yeah. Like he is every muscle is tense. Yeah. He does not lose focus. He never takes his eyes off of them. And it is, you know, that if he had five seconds, dude, not like it.
00:46:23
Speaker
I don't even know. And like, I know all the parents were like hurt, but for some reason, Shannon's dad just in general, like kind of stuck with me, just the way that he, like the way he looked during this whole thing, was just out of control. So, we get through the trials, like I said, in the Marcus death, void life.
00:46:51
Speaker
Vanessa wound up originally because nobody could really feed in on her her BS. Okay, it's like at one point they were trying to discredit the whole I didn't you didn't hear anything. There's no way with measurements that they took because you know when they go through and they're, you know, sweeping the house for evidence and all that stuff, they take measurements of like everything. Yeah, the whole house fit inside the courtroom was 850 square feet. It's like an apartment.
00:47:21
Speaker
I've lived in apartments. You can hear everything up, down, side to side. Yeah. Literally everything. Yeah. Like so much so that like your loud neighbor. Like I'm friends when he used to take the broom and whack it on the ceiling. The old. Yeah. Yeah. That guy. That was my Monica. I had to lean back from the mic because I don't want to like. I can see the spikes. You're still loud. Oh, dang it. It's okay. Well, you can edit that too, right? But, but you know what I mean?
00:47:48
Speaker
That's a small room. There's no way you heard and saw nothing. Like, that's your story. Yeah, or slept through it. I know. Forgot about that one. So Vanessa got 53 years because nobody saw through her crap. Good. She'll be old wrinkled hag when she gets out. No. Again, we'll have to get there in a minute. Oh, good. I know. So, um, Cobbins, right? Vanessa's boyfriend. Yeah, Vanessa's boyfriend, by the way. And apparently she didn't hear that either.
00:48:15
Speaker
Whatever. Yeah, I don't know. These guys are just such assholes. Don't you want to swear for the day? You might need to edit it out. We'll see. All right. We'll see. I don't know. All right. So Coppin's got life without parole. So the only time at any point where they like the court actually
00:48:43
Speaker
felt silent and was like happy about any of this was when they said death for a circus. But that's neither here nor there. You know, that's maybe a different topic for a different day. But I'm going to get back to my friend George here who threw Boyd under the bus. OK, Mr. I sleep. I was going to say George is the sleeper. He's a sleeper. OK, so at some point during all of this, he woke up. OK.
00:49:10
Speaker
And, you know, even though he was sleeping, it's what he told his girlfriend. Now, when he got arrested, they all fled back to where they came from, which was Kentucky. That was Litovis, George and Vanessa. So they were found in Kentucky and detained there. And so he made a phone call to his then girlfriend and, you know, pretty much told her,
00:49:37
Speaker
You know, I don't know what happened. Like I was asleep and then all of a sudden like he wasn't asleep. And she was like, I don't understand what's going on right now. Like, like, why didn't you do anything? Why didn't you leave? And he's like, we did leave. Now this is a recorded phone call from the jail to his girlfriend. He was like, but then, you know, we all had to go back and this and that. At this point, his girlfriend is furious. Good for her. Thank you.
00:50:07
Speaker
And she's like, I cannot believe that you didn't do anything to help that girl. She did not, how did she say she did not deserve anything that happened to her, G? She was like, I don't understand why you didn't do anything. And he seriously said, shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't.
00:50:32
Speaker
So you know that moment where, okay, I see him listening to it in his own trial. So you're saying you're asleep, but shoulda, coulda, woulda, didn't. That is the... He literally retracted it almost as soon as he said it. Because now we now know, based on his own testimony, he was with Boyd when he killed Chris.
00:50:53
Speaker
I'm having trouble keeping the lies in order. It is hard. So, George is the sleeper. George is the sleeper, yes. And he's also the one that he was held, was he the one that said he was held at gunpoint? No, Vanessa was. No, no, no, no, no. At the train tracks with Chris. No, I was referencing, that was a hypothetical, even if he was holding you at gunpoint. Oh, okay.
00:51:18
Speaker
There were multiple opportunities to get away from him. But it would have been crazy for him to say that because... Yeah, right. Did you both walk back up at the same time to go get the... Forget it. Whatever. Should have, could have, whatever. But didn't. So I would say that's all for our podcast tonight, but it's not.
00:51:39
Speaker
Um, that all went down in 2009. So it was 2007, eight, nine before. So it was a couple of years before the trials actually came to pass. As always. And so not, not too long after all this, uh, comes to light that the judge that was sitting on the bench was on drugs. Fantastic. It was opioids, right? Opioids. Yep. Prescriptions, I think.
00:52:05
Speaker
Which means all his cases are pretty much up for grabs. Yeah. All of his sentencing, everything was just, you know, whatever. Then they start claiming it was unfair anyways, because the jurors were all from Knoxville. Everybody knew about the case. Yeah. I don't care if they're from Antarctica. You're not going to listen to this.
00:52:25
Speaker
Crap. Well, they're basically saying that people are being impartial because we live here. We're being impartial because you were inhumane in your treatment to another human being on the planet. Right, like you're just a prick. Like anybody, anybody with a mind in their head is going to see through your bull. Yeah. But not to them. Then they, um, they denied, uh, Lamorchus a retrial and he, he has had like so many different, um,
00:52:56
Speaker
court hearings to try to, like, he wants death off the table in a nutshell. Well, it is currently 2022. This happened in 2007. He was sentenced to death in 2009. Yes. I'm not a mathematician, but he's been sitting there a while. Right. On death row. Like, can we just do it already? Like, why do we have to go through so many
00:53:23
Speaker
Like again, I'm gonna advocate for the family because like we know we know dude did it Okay, this is like beyond reasonable doubt like it's fact at this point And I know like Okay, Vanessa got retrial, right? Mm-hmm. They friggin acquitted her from the stuff that happened to Chris Now, let me just tell you first of all
00:53:51
Speaker
During the main piece, which is why I tried to talk more about Shannon and Chris than most people did, is because I feel like Chris, what happened to Chris was so almost like ignored. It was like just really quick. He was raped, sodomized. Then he was shot. We slowed down. Then he was shot in the back of the head. Then he was set on fire, right? But no, you didn't hear anything about Chris. We were just like a clock skip and a step over the sodomy and the things that happened to him.
00:54:16
Speaker
I get it, he's a guy. I get that. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's uncomfortable. Especially back in 2007. It's a hard thing to discuss in any regards. It doesn't matter if it's happened to a friggin' dog. If you're sexually abused against your will,
00:54:41
Speaker
It doesn't matter what gender you are, what gender you identify with, you're still raped. And you deserve to have A, your story told, and you don't deserve to be a footnote because it makes people uncomfortable. Your life mattered.
00:55:04
Speaker
Your death mattered. It mattered to his family. It mattered to his friends. He wasn't a footnote just because it makes you uncomfortable to hear the details of what happened to him. The details of what happened to Shannon were just as horrific
00:55:20
Speaker
And those got splashed everywhere. People talked about them. You heard about them on the news. You heard about them everywhere. You heard about them. It was in news. It was in the media. It was in newspaper. Thank God social media wasn't a thing back then. But, you know, if it had been on social media. It was all over Facebook, but it wasn't like it was. But Facebook wasn't like it was now. That's when you had to have like a college email to get on.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, because I got married to my husband in 2008, your brother. And that's when Facebook was really becoming, I remember Facebook becoming a thing right about when I got married or right before I got married. But it still wasn't popular. You played mob wars. But you know what I mean? It wasn't splashed everywhere. It wasn't like it is today. It wasn't like its own media
00:56:08
Speaker
huge powerhouse, but the point is everyone talked about Shannon, everyone talked about in horrific detail what happened to her. And all of this stuff was recounted, not to mention the fact that like, I had told you at the beginning that she was found in a bin, but I didn't really complete that story. No, goody. So I'll just do that super fast because I feel like it wasn't bad enough what happened to her.
00:56:35
Speaker
But the way that she was, I'm going to say it for lack of a better word, because it's how she was treated. She was thrown away. Yeah, they put her in a garbage bin. And I'm like. So after after all the stuff that happened to her, the beatings and I mean, she was bleeding from literally. Yeah, they don't bleach down her throat to try to get her DNA, which she was alive for. Correct. She was alive.
00:57:03
Speaker
They dumped it all over her body, so all of these, like, you know, wounds that were open that I was telling you about earlier from the autopsy. She's so bleach. I'm like, I can't... You know she was screaming her head off. Like, how did the neighbors not even hear this? You...
00:57:19
Speaker
There's no physical way. Like if you Google Earth, Chitwood, Straight Road, Chitman, whatever, in Knoxville, Tennessee, because Google Earth, you can see everything now, Google Earth, Chitman, Tennessee, or Chitman Avenue Road or whatever it is in Knoxville, Tennessee, the houses aren't, you know, it's not huge, luxurious houses that are, you know, got an acre and a half. These are very close together neighborhoods.
00:57:49
Speaker
Therefore, people can hear. There's no way they didn't hear. It's like a typical big city scenario where it's like I could reach out my window and touch my neighbor's house. It's not like what we're used to. They actually demolished that house, by the way. Good. Nobody in that area wanted that house. You think? Yeah, so they actually demolished the house.
00:58:14
Speaker
they put a memorial up for the two of them. Like nothing sits there right now. It's just it's in memorance of the two of Chris and Jim. Both parties who were brutally, brutally assaulted and died. But she was still alive. Gosh. And so they
00:58:36
Speaker
put a bag around her head, wipe like a, like a one more bag, you know, tied it in the back and then shoved her into five over large trash bags. So literally like she was like, throw her away, like a piece of garbage. And then they, they crammed her into the bin. They said her neck was broken and left her there. That's how they found hers bound fetal position. So when she fixated, it was not a slow death because she was alive when they put her in. And so like,
00:59:05
Speaker
Like her poor parents like you know how like for like crucifixion Mm-hmm. They say that you it's it's the breathing thing. It'd be like being constricted to like by yeah Yeah, right. It's like every deep breath you take it's everything you've got it shortens your breath Yes, and then it's like every every time you exhale your lung space gets smaller Okay, so that's literally what's happening to this girl if she's as she's dying she
00:59:30
Speaker
doesn't have the will with all to raise up to be able to take more breaths and they said that it took anywhere between 10 to 30 minutes before she finally passed. Good night. And I'm sitting here thinking like even during these retrials where like just that alone, just that alone.
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, that they would like they literally just put her in there and they all left the house. Okay, I'm gonna get on the soapbox real quick again, a different soapbox. But you have so I have a lot of opinions and I have very strong opinions. But here's my thing. So she was brutally tortured for 36 hours.
01:00:15
Speaker
She had bleach poured all over her body. She was forced to drink bleach. They poured it all over her open wound body. Then they put a trash bag over her head while she was still alive, bound her, put five trash bags over her, still alive, and then put her in a trash receptacle, a large trash bin like people have in their garage, put the lid on it, and left her there to suffocate.
01:00:40
Speaker
I'm sorry, and if someone did that to a dog,
01:00:47
Speaker
People would be outraged. And the fact that, and I'm not saying it's okay to do that to an animal, but the fact that a human life matters less to a lot of people really, really bothers me. Like we have funds to save every kind of endangered species, but- But not kids being trafficked. But not human beings.
01:01:13
Speaker
that deserve the same amount of respect that we give animals, if not a little more. And we are more outraged when a dog is put in a in a fight, a dog fight club, which is awful. Don't get me wrong. I've got another soapbox about that, but we'll save that. But we get more outraged over that than when humans are completely dehumanized, assaulted, fully tortured to death.
01:01:44
Speaker
How is that okay? That's my soapbox. I don't, I don't, I'm not really asking for an answer because there is no answer that I'll find acceptable. But that's, that's a big soapbox for me. Like human lives matter. All human lives matter. Period. And it's not, it's not even like a, like these, these two are victims from the word go. They were victims. Yeah.
01:02:13
Speaker
But to try to place yourself in your trial defending your behavior as you were also a victim pisses me off. But whatever. And I like to say, you said this when we recorded the first time, which we had to scrap. I think it's important to note that everybody's fallible.
01:02:38
Speaker
drug abuse, whether it is because you chose that path, because you were doing a recreational and you got hooked, or because you had an accident and you had painkillers and you were overprescribed and then you got hooked. I get their reasons. I have very close family and friends that have drug addiction or have struggled with drug addiction.
01:02:57
Speaker
The judge screwed up. Everybody steps in stupid at one point. Every time you step in stupid, no matter who you are, you affect people around you. It's just how large the ripples are. His ripples were large from his. But I think it's important to note how many hours of court sessions did the family and friends of these two victims have to sit through and recount the last horrific moments of their loved ones' lives?
01:03:23
Speaker
There's actually have a number for you. I know. 350 trials. So 350 times. It's not even hours. 350 times. Yeah. Just different sessions. Like not court cases. Like 350 times they just sit in a courtroom and hear that these people had a bad childhood or a bad upbringing or whatever the excuse was.
01:03:49
Speaker
and they had to recount the last moments of their kid's life or their friend's life or their sibling's life. I think it was Chana's mom after they got Vanessa Coleman's second sentence and they were pissed. Rightly. She got between 25 to 40 years with opportunity to parole after 10.
01:04:11
Speaker
So she's, oh, she has now been over brutal twice now and been denied both times. And that mom and that dad were both like, I'll be, I'll sit in every frigging one of them to make sure she's now. I'm sorry. If I was a criminal, if I were one of these five and her dad stared me down like that, I don't think I'd want to ever get out. I feel maybe a little more protected being in jail. Yeah. Because he literally, that mom said,
01:04:40
Speaker
in her comments to Vanessa, I think it was at her first hearing when she was trying to get pulled. She was like, what you did to my daughter and to Chris was a lifetime of hurt for me. Gosh, yes. You get like a couple of years.
01:05:00
Speaker
She was like, every time I have to sit in this courtroom and hear that story again, my daughter dies every time. Her daughter dies every day. Can you imagine? I don't remember. You said it before, you can't unhear that.
01:05:15
Speaker
No, but there was one I was listening to. I've done a lot of research when I wanted to start a true crime podcast. I had to, you know, listen to hours upon hours, obviously, while I was at work, to listen to different podcasts. But I don't remember which one I said. I've got three of my top faves, but one of them was talking about a mom
01:05:36
Speaker
whose daughter was missing, like they never recovered the body. It was years and years. The mom dedicated her life to it. But she said every, like she tried to wear herself out. She'd keep herself up and she'd do all these things to stay busy because anytime she laid down at night, she'd remember.
01:05:52
Speaker
And then the only peace she ever felt was in the morning for like the first five seconds when you forget the reality you live in. And then it all comes crashing back. Like this first few seconds you wake up and you don't remember that your kid's gone. Your kid was brutally taken away from you. Like you've got five seconds of peace.
01:06:16
Speaker
And then it all just comes crashing back, like just the reality of every birthday, every holiday, every date, every event, every time, like my family does Sunday lunch, every Sunday, most of my family, if not all my family's there together, kids, siblings, wives, spouses. If you, anytime you have a family dinner, that spot's missing. It's always a reminder.
01:06:42
Speaker
Always. And all it takes is like one thing to just trigger a memory to. Listen, I've told my brothers they have to live within like a 10 mile radius of me or I will find them and bring them back. I like my family close. I couldn't imagine. Did you know that with Thomas's sisters testified for him? Of course they did. He was a really good kid. I'm sure he was a great kid.
01:07:10
Speaker
This is the one that was left alone with Shannon and did not assist her did not call for help Tried to blame her and besmirch her name saying that she offered sexual favors to him to help her and He did nothing to help her. He's the good kid, right? It's his it's his big bad brother Marcus. That was the bad one. I could not sit in a courtroom with either one of my brothers and listen to them testify what he testified and
01:07:37
Speaker
and allow him to live. You're the first one to slap your brothers when they're stupid. Actually, I'm married to her brother, and anytime he is being mean or unreasonable, let's say, I call and tell on him.
01:07:53
Speaker
Like, he wanted... I do. I'm taking my ball and I'm going home. Yeah, I'm telling. Like, literally, I don't tell him that. But, you know, I call Lisa and I'm like, hey, let's talk for a few minutes and pretend like this is just a happy conversation. And I'm like, huh, huh, you want to know what your brother did last night? Let me tell you what he did. He was mean and he got mad. And and I said that we shouldn't buy, you know, a brand new motorcycle and he wants to buy a motorcycle and he got kind of mad that I said no. And I tell him and she yells at him.
01:08:23
Speaker
And that's what I do. So yeah, you see, if you're gonna yell at your brother for being unreasonable about not buying a motorcycle. Accountability, buddy. Yeah, it's important. I don't know, man. Tilly, I just, I really couldn't fathom sitting there listening to my brother's testimony and then get up on stage, and I'll stay here with a kid in the courtroom and be like, yeah, man, like, he's such a great guy. I'd be like, all right.
01:08:49
Speaker
He was the best water cooler in kindergarten. You guys should arrest me right now before I get to him first. Actually, arrest me. Let me go to jail just for a minute. Let me hug my brother goodbye. Yeah, let me. Right around the neck. It's gonna be a long hug. Oh my God. I'll tell you what, Faith. This is, like I said, man, this is such an uncomfortable, really crappy story.
01:09:15
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Like I said, there are just so many different things that I cannot get out of my head now. I'm gonna tell you man that Chana's dad was Was that her dad was I mean all you have to do is look at Shannon Christiansen If I could like rub the genie bottle and grant that man a wish I really really think that his wish would be give me give me 10 minutes with this guy So you need all of them just give me 10 minutes. Okay, so I'm not gonna know his skin his flesh
01:09:41
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I am not going to get into like the specifics of if I believe in the death penalty or if I don't and corporate punishment and all that stuff. But there's a podcast I listen to and it's called gruesome. It's amazing. You should try it out.
01:09:56
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They're way better than I am. But I did a lot of research on them. But one of the girls says that any time there is a trial like this, she's always like, I think the parent should have five minutes. Just open a door, give the parents five minutes with the person that did this to their child, and pretend like that never happened. And I agree.
01:10:23
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You think her dad needs more than five minutes 36 hours and most normal people if they're gonna have that time are not gonna saw somebody okay They're just gonna get their butts kicked like yeah, just I mean just I am going to wear out my knuckles on your face Because they don't they just don't care about people
01:10:46
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They don't care what they did. There was no remorse. None. It was excuses. A whole lot of fake tears, even from the sisters that kept wiping on the fake, everybody can do that. I don't know if they could hear that in the mic. I don't know if I was close enough. You don't want to hear that in the mic. People try to fake emotion. Nobody can tell that you're faking emotion. You can tell true emotion. Yeah.
01:11:11
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Her dad had true emotion. Shannon's mother had true emotion. Christopher's mother had true emotion. Christopher's father had true emotion. You know, I can tell when my six-year-old is lying. I can tell if that little six-year-old is legitimately sorry for what she did or sorry for what she caught. And that's I'll say, you're not sorry you did that. You're sorry you caught. And she'll say, yep. Kids are all so stupid enough to admit, though.
01:11:38
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You know, actually, I'm not gonna say stupid enough. Kids aren't corrupted enough. Yes, humble enough and not corrupted enough. And to me, it's such cowardice. Just strong, like you're a coward. Yeah. You screwed up. Admit it. The parents have absolutely no real idea what happened and who did what. And you know what? Suck it up, tell the friggin' truth and reap what you sow.
01:12:06
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I don't think it matters who did what at the end of the day. At the end of the day, those two kids, because they were kids. They can never be replaced. They can never get back the lives that were taken from them. The time that was stolen from their parents.
01:12:30
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And quite frankly, the injustice that was done to Christopher as being just a footnote in the story. I again made a statement at one point too, like with all the fabrications of all these testimonies and all the finger pointing and all the garbage and the fact that not one of them had the same story.
01:12:53
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leads me to believe that every single one of them took part in what happened. And I really truly believe that it was whether it wasn't meant to go that far or not, they all had their turn. And it just it just the excitement grew. It was a gang mentality, mob mentality, whatever you want to call it. And they were following one right after another. And then once once once the high wore off, they ran because they were scared because they knew
01:13:20
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They knew what they did was wrong, they just didn't care. And then they come up and they cry a little bit on the stand, or they're like, I didn't see anything, or I was a victim too. You didn't break a vase, dude. You took two lives.
01:13:34
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Like, I'm sorry covers it when you are, you know, you break your neighbor's window. I'm sorry is when you're illegally texting on your cell phone and rearing the person in front of you at a red light, or nudge, per se, nudge. That's an I'm sorry. There is no I'm sorry when you devastate two families.
01:14:01
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There is no I'm sorry. That doesn't cut it. There is nothing that cuts it. I am sorry. At least man up. For them. Yeah. I am too. I'm sorry that both of their lives were footnotes. I'm sorry, especially for Chris that was a footnote. I'm sorry that their lives are just pretty much forgotten except by those that love them. Yeah. And anything that they could have done to change this world for the better was taken from all of us. Yeah, we'll never know.
01:14:31
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Well, that ended a lot heavier than it did the first recording. Yeah. But I think we also went a little bit deeper this time. And so like, well, you know, you can mess around, you can crack jokes about just stupid criminals or whatever it's still like. At the end of the day, there's nothing funny. There's not a single thing funny. There's nothing to recover from.
01:14:58
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what a human being is capable of doing to another human being. And that's for every, every umbrella of every killer and every murderer, every rapist, every... Government. Yeah, even government. What do Russians do to Ukraine? Yep.
01:15:15
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What we do to each other is there's no excuse for how humans treat other humans. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, like I said earlier, it doesn't matter what gender you identify as. You are biologically. It doesn't matter what race you are. It doesn't matter any of that. We are all human, and we give more consideration to abused animals than we do to abused people, and it's not excusable.
01:15:43
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Apparently didn't get off that soapbox. Sorry. That's like my biggest soapbox dude.
01:15:55
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when you land on a better note here. We do. So you're, I'm gonna take down your soapbox if that's okay. The soapbox is gone. We've gone a little over time. There's a horse still over there by the way. I am, we can't say I beat that horse but that's not an appropriate saying right now when I'm just talking about people get upset about abusive animals. I do not condone abusing animals. That's a saying.
01:16:22
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But it's not appropriate in this point of... But you say about the chair that's sitting next to me. It's an inanimate object that's part of life. I'm not going to say how much of Lisa's words I have edited out that you are now listening to. But I'm going to go and guess. It's a healthy amount of her... You guys who you are always going to know because I get excited. I start talking faster. OK? And then all of a sudden you'll be... All of a sudden you'll hear Lisa get really excited and then it'll go back to calm. That means I've just cut out about 15 minutes of rant is what it means.
01:16:51
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But you know. You don't even know Rance, okay? I do know Rance. I've known you for 13 years. No, you see, you cut me off right at the friggin' legs, Faith. Okay? Because you were sitting here and you're like five minutes alone. I could have gone into so many different torture techniques that we can use for these people. And example 952, why I have to edit Lisa. When I figure out how to edit. If not, you're gonna get this all in its uncut glory and I apologize. Well,
01:17:22
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I appreciate you. It's too soon, dude. Okay. Well, good night. Thanks for listening. If you have any comments that are nice and kind and sweet, you can send that to TwistedTalesTrueCrime at gmail.com. If you have mean things to say.
01:17:48
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I just edited out my last name, thank you very much. If you have mean things to say, I would prefer you to say them the same way I respond to any text message I receive in your head and then never send it because I get my feelings hurt quite easily. But no, actually, feel free to send anything. This is our first one, guys. Look, I'm a human and I have opinions and I have them. Hopefully we will get better as time goes on. If not, this is about what you can expect.
01:18:18
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But anyway, thanks so much for listening to Twisted Tales. And we will see you next Thursday, or you will hear us next Thursday. We will never see you. Bye bye.