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Who Can You Trust? The Story of budding Buffy Actress & the Rapist
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WOW! As a person who grew up in the 1990s in the United States, and was also OBSESSED with Buffy the Vampire Slayer - I cannot believe I did not know this story!
This episode Lisa will be telling us about the amazing, real life Scooby Squad member Carisma Carpenter (aka Cordelia) who lived a real life trauma, where she felt stalked, faced down a rapist and ultimately assisted in brining him to justice. BUT IN REAL LIFE! This story is amazing, and I was literally hanging onto my chair - I hope you enjoy hearing the tale.
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Transcript
Introduction to Twisted Tales
00:00:06
Speaker
Well, hello, all of our lovely people. Hello. Thanks for tuning in to Twisted Tales. This is Faye. This is Lisa. I remembered all our intro bits and bobs. Did you? But I said hello. I didn't get hung up on the time of day. I remember to say our name and my name.
00:00:27
Speaker
And you said everything correctly. I know. And I didn't. I didn't. Now. There you go. Now you're scared. Talk to you. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't
00:00:55
Speaker
I thought you told me a good story the other day, but maybe I know I did remember I said I thought of something really funny, but I think oh yeah, but we couldn't say it on the podcast because you are definitely we would lose viewers.
Unshared Funny Story
00:01:07
Speaker
We don't have enough viewers to lose them, but yes. We have plenty of viewers to lose.
00:01:15
Speaker
Well, no, I see awkward silence. Yeah, it was a bit too far out of the old the line. I would have been so far away from when I could feel like. Yeah, yeah. We've all been to that moment where you're so slap happy in life, like you're tired, you're exhausted and you just say something that I so off color like didn't have any of those excuses. I just sent you that text and then I was like, ooh, this is hilarious.
00:01:44
Speaker
And then I thought about it was like, well, maybe I'll laugh because I was in those stages. I don't know. No, I think that we both just have horribly depraved, twisted minds. Yeah. So we think they're funny. Most people don't. Most people find his finger fell off. Although you did say that one time where I was trying to justify making my statement. And you said that one time in the summer road trip, both of our stories, they lost their heads.
00:02:11
Speaker
except mine was the lady's head and yours was was not an anatomically correct head with like eyes and a mouth. Yeah, I did say that. Yeah. And I've gotten to the point where joke. Sorry, guys. You know, you probably should go back to doing that. I'm just saying. They don't like us in our full raunchy, debilitating humor than, you know, they don't deserve us. That's right.
00:02:41
Speaker
So all five of you, thanks for tuning in. Thank you. You are. Your love is is noticed. It is. It is. All right.
Charisma Carpenter's Background
00:02:52
Speaker
So I don't know if you've ever heard of a woman, young lady named Charisma Carpenter. She was a charisma. Yep. So you obviously like obviously never heard of this woman. No, it sounds like it sounds like the lady off a bus. Well, if you saw her, you'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah, I know her.
00:03:11
Speaker
Go ahead, look it up. It sounds like the name. Don't read anything about her, though. I'm not. I'm just going to look up an image, but her name sounds like the chick from Buffy, the vampire, the pretty one. Well, I mean, a lot of them are pretty. Yeah. Well, I mean, this chick is pretty, too. But so back in 1991.
00:03:31
Speaker
She started getting this uncomfortable feeling. That is the girl from Buffy. Is it really? OK. Well, there you go. She was a Dallas cheerleader, too, I think, at one point. She's the girl I know who she is. She's from Buffy. Well, maybe you've heard the story. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe I can intrigue you tonight. No reading. No reading. Put it down. I'm just looking at pictures of you. Down? I love Buffy. Good puppy. There's your good girl. I hate you. Anyways.
00:04:00
Speaker
We're in early 90s.
90s Nostalgia and Fashion
00:04:03
Speaker
So, you know, that's times of our lives. I was so dude, I had like a monologue.
00:04:09
Speaker
that I started writing about how wonderful the 90s was. Is that the part you were like? This was stupid. Yeah, that was. And then I was like, that's a terrible idea. Not the 90s were amazing. Well, you're the only like sitting here thinking like, this is like the only time in America where I could do something stupid and it wouldn't be on the Internet. That was within 10 seconds. Like, although I have decided that if video, if phone like phones with video cameras were a thing back then,
00:04:37
Speaker
I'd be a millionaire if I could have recorded all my brother's antics and submitted them to American Sunday some videos. Oh absolutely. I would be on the ridiculousness almost every night because the things those two used to do. I can understand that completely. I'd be famous right now instead of talking. I would be famous for the absolute opposite reason. I would be like
00:04:58
Speaker
the redundant play of like fail army where they just play the same embarrassing video over and over again. I think that'd be my life. 90s were a good time though. It was a good time. The fashion's coming back. It is. Bella wanted one of those little like that says black wire mesh like. Yes, I know exactly. And I'm like this is not the butterfly clips.
00:05:23
Speaker
I might have one upstairs. She might have order. I don't throw anything away. All these boxes of clothes in my attic aren't so laughable now, are they? You got like the candy cane or candy kids is what my brothers used to call it. And they're like the rave people, you know, they call it a kid. They had those plastic, no rubber bracelets that are like super, super thin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, literally had an entire monologue about how wonderful the 90s was. And then I realized, like,
00:05:50
Speaker
getting through the story that I'm gonna tell you like. But if you go back and watch any of those shows from back then, like, okay, I did love Buffy and Angel. I don't think I ever watched it. I watched both of them. I watched Charmed. I loved Mason Charmed, but I made your brother start watching Buffy with me again. Some of them were kind of embarrassing to rewatch now. Right?
00:06:15
Speaker
But I do love me some David Boreanaz. Um, even cause he's on still teams now. Okay. Yep. Yep. Still find him as a beautiful man. But because we were watching still teams and I was like angels. So then we had to go back and watch Buffy cause he, I made him watch angel when we first got married. Oh, I used to go on reruns all the time with charm. We were watching both. Yeah. But so I made him watch Buffy and I was like half of these like clothing choices or I see them around now. Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:43
Speaker
And then you like watch some of the old episodes of stuff and you're like, Oh my God, that's what like Twilight looks like. That's how bad these graphics. Some of us just like the acting is like, I love triple X and I love.
00:06:56
Speaker
All the fast and the furious is actually love them. Yeah, I think I saw watch the first fast and the furious today. There are several moments like when she said when she says like the cat fight, she's like meow. I'm like, oh, I'm embarrassed for you. Yeah, I'm embarrassed. Oh, no. Oh, man. We just straight way off track for. Yeah. All right. So charisma carpenter in the 90s. Um.
Unsettling Experience in San Diego
00:07:23
Speaker
I started hearing some weird things at her apartment, lived by herself, young girl, aspiring actor trying to make something of herself. Started getting really paranoid like somebody was watching her. And so anytime I think anybody starts to have that feeling, it's it's something that doesn't just go away. Yeah. Right. And so it just kind of in the back of your mind, like I.
00:07:44
Speaker
Heard this at night or it sounded like somebody was trying to get my door. That was her name on the show, Cordelia. Literally, I'm never going to get through this story. Sorry. No, you're good. Cordelia Cordelia. Mm hmm. Cool. No comment. All right. And you on with your life. All right. So like I was saying. So she's going through all this stuff. She's trying to live her life. They're out in San Diego, California.
00:08:12
Speaker
And she's basically, you know, for the most part on her own, she's got a friend, she's got everything, but very, very uncomfortable with her living situation. Okay. This is not, so meanwhile, so I don't know anything about this. Meanwhile, during that time, there were some other things going on in San Diego that hadn't really been attributed to anything yet.
Charlene's Beach Party
00:08:39
Speaker
On July 6th, a young woman. I just read the wrong thing. I'm so sorry. Obviously, editing will have to occur tonight. Oh, my God. All right. So.
00:08:57
Speaker
Hooked on Phonics. Worked for me, dude. Yeah, I skipped an entire paragraph like like trying to get my first grader to read. You just get five works. I did. Well, I'm going to go ahead and name drop another person, another young lady in her 20s in San Diego. Her name was Charlene Agnus. Easy for you to say. Oh, it's too many sounds.
00:09:21
Speaker
I'm just going to call her Charlene. We're just going to go there. Do not give up. She is 20 years old, kind of like right in between. I just graduated high school, but I'm not really an adult yet. Yeah. So still, you know, kind of childlike, innocent, whatever kind of new around decides that her and her boyfriend, they're going to go to a party on the beach. Right. So this couple heads down them. I'm sorry, I went out.
00:09:54
Speaker
What? What I do now? So I'm going to name drop another person so we can get back on track. Her name was Charlene Adnos, and she was 20 years old. How beautifully you pronounce. Yeah, it's a really good thing that you're going to edit out the first time I tried to say it. I am not going to edit that part out. Oh, my dude, you're the worst. Oh, man. See, hold on. I almost did it. I almost made a very bad joke.
00:10:22
Speaker
I'm not doing that because we'll lose viewers. So continue. Charlie, right? Charlie, 20 years old, living her life. San Diego, California. It's beautiful. And she is, you know, trying to figure out who she is. Am I going to college? Am I going to, you know, what would it like? She's got a job. What am I going to do? No, she's not. She's thinking, what's going to get my parents off my back and let me have fun with my friends or she's thinking I got me a boyfriend and we're going to go out, going to have some fun. And we're going to go to a party at the beach.
00:10:51
Speaker
So party ensues there. Everybody's down there. Everybody's having a really good time and her and her boyfriend decide they're going to go take a walk on the beach, right? It's pretty standard, right? When you are that age. Yeah. You want to be alone with the love of your life, right? So we're outgoing people. Yes. Cool. I would have never gone to a party on the beach when I was 20. Oh, I so would have. I would not. Oh, that would have, it would have been like epic for me if I, you know, no, no.
00:11:20
Speaker
That's a lie, Faith. We were in our 20s. We did some weird. We can't say that, because what if our parents listen? Yeah, but I mean, I was going to call you out for the dumb things we did in November. We thought it was funny. Our weird things were putting on prom dressing and writing on people's windows, not going to drunken parties on the beach. That's true. We also did jump into the lake in November because we thought it was funny. Lake it. Lake it. Back on track. Back on track. All right. Anyway.
00:11:48
Speaker
They decide they're going to go for a walk down the beach, be romantic, whatever. They let themselves their own little bonfire. And they're just kind of chilling, canoodling, doing what young couples do. And some guy comes up to them, approaches them on the beach. He's dressed in all black, black face mask, the whole night. That's not a good ski
Beach Confrontation
00:12:08
Speaker
mask. I'm just going to tell you right now, that's a bad sign. Yeah, they're not downhill. He shines a flashlight in their face with a gun at them. Bad night. And
00:12:18
Speaker
you know, basically it almost kind of leads into I'm robbing you is kind of like the sense that they had asked where the boyfriend's keys were. And the boyfriend was like, they're in my pocket and he basically never took the keys. Just told them to stand up. So the couple stands and they, he proceeds to lead them down the beach and the opposite direction of the party. Okay.
00:12:45
Speaker
So now you've got two young adults, very young adults, being led at gunpoint down the beach. Run in a zigzag pattern. Don't comply. That's when you die. Side note.
00:12:58
Speaker
We were talking about, I love you so much right now. It's not even funny. You'll see in a minute. So I was at small group on Sunday morning, um, after church and they were taught, we were talking about something like, I don't know, hiking or something. And it went into snakes and sharks. We're talking about sharks. That's what it was.
00:13:17
Speaker
And I said, I don't get in the water. That's what sharks live in. I respect right in the lakes, guys, by the way, just an FYI sharks live in the lakes in Tennessee. All sharks can live in both salt and fresh water. They're not making it all the way. You don't know that to the Tennessee River. And I used our hashtag stay aside, stay alive. And every person in there looked at me like crazy.
00:13:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna just move on with my life. There's so many stories that I'm gonna start telling eventually, just because you're like, Oh, stay inside. And I'm gonna be like, here's this home invasion. Yeah, I guess that but I don't want to be mauled by an animal. Yeah, I can I can attest to that. I worked at home today. Another side note.
00:13:57
Speaker
And I was trying my my cell phone does not get like great. You didn't realize, though, at one point you thought you were going to die at your house because of the snake, right? I did. But I don't get great reception inside my house. And so I went outside to talk to my boss about this account we're working on. And I looked down by our fire pit and look at that.
00:14:16
Speaker
It's a baby frickin snake lost my mind Like obviously it got burned by the fire pit because your brother had like a raging fire and was burning all this like It's not even amongst the living But I was still like what if it's just a black snake like that that big huge snake that was in my house What if it was just like what's baby? so I was too afraid to even get off the deck and go like poke at it with I didn't have a stick close by like
00:14:41
Speaker
So I finally have a problem. No, no, wait, wait, it gets better. I gather my courage to walk over there so I can snap this picture for your brother. And I'm not kidding. I'm like complaining to my boss that there's a baby snake outside and he's like, do I need to come over? Do you like this is why you need to quit working at home? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah, that is a plastic snake from Bella's Halloween decorations. It's not even real yet. It helped me captive and terrified for 30 minutes. So real quick, another, I'm sorry guys, another side note. So.
00:15:16
Speaker
I have this fake rubber snake. It's a fake rattlesnake. I frickin hate you. And it doesn't look real, but it ended up being put outside in the sand pit when the guys were out there doing the fence. Oh, this isn't where I fell for. And this is not. No, I'll tell that one in a minute. OK, so it's not my first time here. And I see the snake. I know the snake was there because I tripped on it the other night, taking the dogs out before the guys came into the fence.
00:15:45
Speaker
and I just left it there. I don't know. I just didn't pick it up. I was like, it's awful. You know, I'm just like, it's 11 o'clock. The dog just pissed in the house. I'm already just done. Go to the bathroom. I'm going to bed. I've got to get up tomorrow. Like that was my mentality. So I left it there and I came home on lunch break the following day when they started. And the snake is like in the middle of the yard. And I'm sitting there that scared the shit out of somebody.
00:16:13
Speaker
Because why why wouldn't they just toss the fake snake onto the deck, right? Like it was in the middle of the yard. Like somebody was saving humanity. It is not that unrealistic looking from experience. Yeah. OK, so I was getting Christmas decorations down one year and I found the snake in the attic in an old toy box. And they were helping her. Faith was. Faith was kindly trying to help.
00:16:38
Speaker
And I thought it would be a really good idea to scream bloody murder at the top of my lungs in the attic. And then I threw the snake down at my head ladder at my head. You did.
00:16:52
Speaker
It hit me as I broke all your mother's ornaments screaming. And then you almost broke your ankle. Yeah, yeah. Over all your mom's Christmas ornaments that I crashed and broke. Oh, guys, you had to have been there. I'm sorry. I'm twisted. And I think it's funny. Anyways, now that we've got on another 10 minute tyrant of random crap. What? What? What?
00:17:20
Speaker
You know, you gave some kind of punch line there. I did not move along. All right. All right.
Charlene's Trauma and Struggles
00:17:26
Speaker
So like I said, the this couple is being led down the beach at gunpoint and he's kind of just taken them like to this set of caves, basically. No. Yeah. Heck to the no. So. You know, they go back and he can't shoot at both of you. Well, they go back into the cave and he pulls out the get the gunman pulls out duct tape.
00:17:50
Speaker
And tell Charlene to duct tape your boyfriend's hands and feet. No. Basically, you know, hands behind your back the whole night, right? So she does. She complies because she wants to live. You know what I mean? Like, don't that's not the way to live. But some people, you know, everybody always has a different point of view. And I'm not saying I would do a different. You don't know. I'm not saying I would do it different. But I'm saying from the outside, looking in at a bird's eye view, if you will. No. Yeah. Comply stay alive.
00:18:20
Speaker
That doesn't rhyme. I don't remember what I said earlier that rhymed. So that's what we're going with.
00:18:25
Speaker
Don't comply, you won't die. That's what I said, don't comply, you won't die. I don't know, I just guessed. I was like, what rhymes with that? Kind of. I don't know. I figured out when we post. Will you stop throwing me off task? Look, the only reason that your podcast lasts an hour and a half is because you have so much information, it's mind numbing. Mine lasts so long because you do this when I want you to do this.
00:18:51
Speaker
They can't see your hands. They don't need to. They know. They know. They know there was a sock puppet hand up here because they're all giving words here. All right. So now boyfriend is duct taped and he takes Charlene and leads her up further into the cave and asks her. No, not ask. It was there was no asking. He told her, pull your T shirt up over your head. Yeah.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, no kidding, right? She's complying. She's doing what she has to do because at this point during like the interview that I had seen, you know, she's emotional. She's telling the story and she is like it's almost like she wanted to convey to people like I just didn't want to die. You know what I mean? Like victim shame. Yes, I do. I get that I say you both should have ran in different directions, run zigzag and stuff, but I don't fault her for
00:19:44
Speaker
times like 2020 bro you weren't there like I said I don't know that I would do it any different confronted in that especially when you have someone with you that you love I mean yeah it'd be one thing if I was with you sure take her she's bindi and run away but you know what I mean like when you're there you're all the love trying to
00:20:01
Speaker
Survive. Yeah. Make the best decision that you think you can in that time. Yeah. But it's unfortunate that she does have to like justify what she did in an interview to stay alive. I don't think like it's I don't know that she wasn't she wasn't being like asked to justify it. It was more like she did. She felt like, yeah, she felt like she did. Yeah, that you feel like that you live through an ordeal and you made it through. And, you know, we always talk about all the time. Faith is like one of the major things we always say is we are like we will never fully understand what the human mind
00:20:31
Speaker
is capable of, but we always talk about it in a gruesome way. Yeah. But when you talk about some of the things that victims go through and survive and overcome it, there is no limit to what the human mind is capable of doing like legit. I just wanted to throw that out there anyways. So. He started like yelling, screaming at her. She's trying to follow directions. He's screaming at her. You know, just do what you're told. Do what you're told. And
00:20:59
Speaker
He just like kept getting more and more pissed off. And apparently at one point, basically like confessed that he couldn't get an erection. OK. And that's why he was so mad because he wanted to rape her. So you know, we're we're putting, you know, we're putting the gun to her head. We're doing whatever it takes. And then he proceeds to rape her.
00:21:23
Speaker
OK, man. So she literally like for the interview that I watch her do, she was telling people like I I talked myself through it. She was like, you know, I was just telling myself, just do what you're told. Just stay calm. Yeah. Just do what you're told. And you're going to live through this. You're going to be OK. Everything is going to be OK. So after he, you know, finished his whatever, he
00:21:53
Speaker
Told her to get up and tell her boyfriend to stay where he's at. So he had to just sit there and listen to that. Yeah. Within earshot. OK, so she like runs to him. He's already got the duct tape off of him, like ready, like from his hands. Yeah. And he's trying to like get up and do what men do. Right. Good for him. While he told her to go do that, he took off the opposite direction and he got away. So.
00:22:21
Speaker
Boyfriend called the cops and you can actually hear the audio and I'll tell you guys like where I got the story where I got the idea from the story And all that at the end. Um, but you can hear him calling and he's like We need we need the cops down here. I need an ambulance like right now. My girlfriend was just raped on the beach I need somebody to get did you can hear her in the background sobbing and screaming like she just like
00:22:48
Speaker
It was like she could stay so calm in that moment. Yeah. And all the K and then she was over. There was nothing like, yeah, she had nothing to be able to hold it back when you really hurt yourself and you don't feel it at first, but then all of a sudden all the pain comes like your body's like what's the adrenaline is gone. Yeah, the pain sets a reality. You know what I mean? It's like people like and people describe it all the time in shark attack.
00:23:12
Speaker
They're like, you know, they don't have a leg and they're swimming back to the beach. They're not writhing in pain. Yeah. They're trying to get the F out of there because it's it's survive or die. And that's that's there. You know what I mean?
00:23:26
Speaker
And I contribute that to the same way that she was feeling in that moment. Like, yeah, my adrenaline is pumping so hard. What can I do? What do I need to do? Like, you're just trying to think of how to get through this. But then afterwards, you're living with the ramification. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. So the cops get there and they take her in, you know, the rape kits, the whole nine. She finds out that she was not the first victim of of this thing, right?
00:23:54
Speaker
that she was actually, there were two others before her. Just from the DNA? Um, no, I think because none of them were dead. They didn't, they were, these were all people. It happened and we called the cops and we told cops the story.
Detectives on the Case
00:24:09
Speaker
And it's the same, it's the same lineup, same situation. Yeah. Gotcha. So cops are kind of like, well, you know, one time, yeah, that's crazy. That's weird, right? Second time.
00:24:23
Speaker
Really? You know, the third time somebody's out there and they're doing something. Yeah. Right. It's a pattern now. This is serial. Yeah. So then comes around July 6th. Another victim that was name wasn't given, um, was attacked in the exact same manner. Same M.O. Boyfriend tied up. She was raped. Um, and then they were basically let go. Same kind of deal. Point the gun into your head, kind of faking like I'm going to rob you, but I'm not actually robbing you.
00:24:53
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just taking you to a safe place so I can do what I want to do and then whatever. And so cops at this point, they're like, OK, something has to get done about this. We don't know what to do. And this is clearly a sadistic thing that's happening because it's all the same. It's a couple. And it's like. We're going to. What's the word that I'm looking for? Help me out here to make a man feel less than a man. Emasculate, emasculate.
00:25:21
Speaker
He's going to tie them up. Yeah. And make him listen and make him listen and watch. I don't know that they watch that. I couldn't confirm or deny. I don't have that information, but to me that in his sadistic mind, he's like. You wait while I do my business and you're going to sit there like a good dog and that's it, right? She's.
00:25:45
Speaker
So again, is it all couples that are like outside of season? They're all they're all at the beach. It didn't put cops at the beach. All different beaches, all different beaches throughout San Diego. OK, so the cops at this point, they're like, we have a serial rapist on our hands. It's obvious. Yeah, 100. So they just they did what they could do. They set out lookouts, set up lookouts.
00:26:07
Speaker
And they had cop stations at different beaches in the area. Yeah. And you don't have a description. No, you don't have any information whatsoever. There's no DNA. There's nothing large stretches of land. Yes. Yeah. You can't cover the whole beach. So they they literally stationed themselves at these popular esque places, places that he had attacked before. Right. Thinking maybe he's just going to like that discomfort zone. Right. Right.
00:26:36
Speaker
So after the July 6th incident, two weeks later, like almost to the day, another attack happened. OK. OK. Only this time. It was two little girls, 13 and 14 dead serious, 13 and 14 years old. He raped the 13 year old twice.
00:27:01
Speaker
What a piece of absolute is he caught? I need to know by during during the attack. He was being just like cruel and like kind of sadistic, asking the girls if they were virgins and then saying, well, not anymore. Yeah. So, oh, words, anger. I know. I know. So. Before. I get back into any of this, like.
00:27:35
Speaker
Your MO is a man and a woman. Yeah. How do you go from that to children? Innocence. Like literally, it's like he started a path and then started digressing so fast because he was getting away with it and nobody knew who he was. And no, like it was like he was freaking untouchable, right? Because he kind of was at that point. He was untouchable.
00:28:03
Speaker
So again, guy's crazy. Cops are completely at a loss. Yeah, they don't get it. Like how is this guy? Seemed to be one step ahead of us all the time. So.
Charisma at the Beach,
00:28:20
Speaker
On August 15th. Charisma Carpenter. Decided they were going to go out with her two friends, Arthur and Aldo and.
00:28:32
Speaker
She was excited. She just wanted to get out, go do something. She's been stressed out the whole weird stalker guy thing, just creeping her out. And so I'm going to take two of my favorite guy friends and we're, let's go to the beach. Well, according to her and the interviews that she was given, which I can honestly, I can attest to this. Okay. You're in your early twenties.
00:28:57
Speaker
Did you watch the news? Well, that and even if you did, it's not everybody thinks it's not going to have that mentality, right? Nobody that gets into the ocean thinks I'm going to get attacked by shark. I do. Nobody that nobody that walks up outside thinks I'm going to get struck by lightning. Like it doesn't. You know, it doesn't. I'm always on the offensive. It's that rarity. Yeah, I know you were saying because I'm scared of life. But, you know, tomorrow, we'll just say hyper vigil. So.
00:29:23
Speaker
She honestly said, I had no idea that any of this was going on at that time. Um, so the three of them take off, they go down to this beach and boys do what boys do. Right. Spare the moment, whatever. I'm just going to drop trial and go. Right. So the two boys get down to their undies, leave their, their clothes in a heap on the sandy beach and go jump in the water to have fun.
00:29:50
Speaker
at nighttime at night. That's when sharks see you've never seen charisma. On the other hand, all of this, all of these attacks happened at night. These were not at broad daylight or evening. Right. So. Charisma on the other hand. A little more dainty than that. OK, so she's going to take her stuff off and fold it nicely and goes to hang it at the lifeguard tower. She heard rustling.
00:30:19
Speaker
at the live guard tower, right? And I'm sure she probably freaked out, screamed, maybe whatever, because she's in the back of her mind. Somebody stalking her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. The boys come running back up from the beach. And what they find is charisma being held at gunpoint with a flashlight in her face and. He tells everybody to get on their knees.
00:30:46
Speaker
So now it is three against one. So. I'm sorry. The guys like, where's your money, your wallet, same amount. I'm going to rob you, basically, is what he's trying to convey to these people that this is. Yeah, this is what's happening. Arthur and Aldo are like, dude, all of our money, our wallet, all of our stuff is down at the beach, like toward the water.
00:31:16
Speaker
You know, it's all down there. Just go get it. Take it and leave. Right. And she's got to be recognizable at this point. So that's like a feather in this jerk's hat. Yeah. So, um, he asked her again, I'm sure none of these people are being asked to do anything. They're being told. Yeah. Although go down there, get your clothes, bring them back up.
00:31:41
Speaker
Aldo proceeds to go down there, gets the clothes, comes back up, right? Because at this point, in anybody's mind, we're not thinking the worst case scenario. We're thinking this guy, probably homeless. He's going to rob us. He's robbing us, right? We can cancel our credit cards. Exactly. So he hands the guy all the stuff and proceeds to make him kneel back down and tells Charisma to take the belt off of the jeans and tie Arthur's hands behind his back. Okay.
00:32:11
Speaker
She gets the belt. In her mind, she's like, this is not going to end well. This is not going to end well. Right. And, you know, her mind at that moment where a lot of people go to panic, I feel like she was more instead of panicking.
00:32:28
Speaker
being kind of I don't want to say I don't want to say it because it sounds like condescending or maybe even victim shaming. But she was being more logical at that moment. Like also, I mean, you've got to think about everybody reacts different. Like not only that, she has the hindsight of being on a television show where they they do fights and there's the Scooby Squad. And you don't mean like I understand it's vampires and fictitious, but she does. She was probably not even on the show at this point, though.
00:32:56
Speaker
You know what I mean? But I'm just saying like, people do react differently. It's fight or flight. It always has been, right? Some people are literally, it's engraved in their brain and their heart that I'm going to fight my way through this, right? And some people are like, I'm going to lay here and take it and do what I need to do to survive. It's just, it's just the way you're wired as a human being. Right. So she gets the stuff, gets the belt,
00:33:24
Speaker
and wraps it around Arthur's hands and she feeds the belt through the hole and laps it over to make it look really nice. Yeah. But she didn't buckle the whole thing the way through. Smart girl. Okay. Now she was in the way she said it was almost like me and Arthur were in sync at that moment because he just sat there. He knew I didn't tie him. Okay. Yeah. And he just sat there and pretend to be bound because he was going to wait and see where this was going to go. Right.
Confrontation with the Stalker
00:33:55
Speaker
So then he proceeds to tell her, get the other belt from the pants and tie up Aldo. At this point, she decides in her mind, I'm going to procrastinate. I'm going to pretend like I can't do this. And so she's like, I can't get it to stay. This isn't working. Come do it yourself. Like.
00:34:14
Speaker
I can't I can't do this. Right. So now this guy's getting pissed. I love that. Gun man. Yeah. Gun man is like, do it. I'm going to blow your brains out. Blah, blah, blah. Threat threat threat threat. And she's like, I can't like I can't make it stay. Oh, I'm such a helpless girl. Yeah. Do it yourself. Pretty much. Right. Yeah. Right. So finally he gets fed up and he literally walks around to Aldo and points the gun in her face and says, hold the flashlight.
00:34:42
Speaker
Okay. With pleasure. She's holding a flashlight. Bash him on the head with it. And so he proceeds to try and like get the belt wrapped around, but he still has a gun to everybody. Yeah, he only has one hand. You got one hand. You had one job, bro. Right. And so now Arthur's over here and he's like, that's my time to shine. No, it's dawning on Arthur. It's dawning on Arthur. He's like,
00:35:09
Speaker
This is what I read about in the paper. This is this is that this is that guy. And he knew what was going to happen. Right. So this guy is like the government having a mental breakdown. She's and then she is a smart ass is like, which is not helping him and his erectile dysfunction. Right. She goes, well, what are you going to do next? Rate me. And he goes, you bet your sweet ass I will. And it was almost it was almost like
00:35:36
Speaker
Dawn rose over Arthur and he's like if I don't do something you were yeah, this is this is not good, right? Yeah, so what good friend she has I know right so this smart man Can't do it with one hand. Yeah stuck the gun on his lap always while he's squatting. Okay. Yes, he did Arthur was like my turn, right?
00:35:59
Speaker
and just bomb rushed him, okay? Although, although he's not fully in shackles yet, okay? He's still a little free and it just turns in to a sandstorm on the beach of these three men fighting. So gunman gets the gun back up.
00:36:15
Speaker
Oh, man, no one took the gun. He tackled him to the ground, but he still got the gun. OK, because all those on his knees. Yeah, there's not much he can do at this point. He's got to rip off, you know, whatever he's done. Yeah. So you've got these two boys now on this. And they're just like way lay in the sky, right? Yeah, the shots are starting to get fired. All of a sudden, Aldo drops to the ground.
00:36:37
Speaker
No. And so she's standing there literally in this moment with this flashlight, like almost frozen like deer in the headlights. Like this is this is happening. I thought we were getting robbed. Right. This is more. Oh, so she's like, what do I do? What do I do? Help. I need to get help. Right. Takes off running down the beach. She goes to the like the nearest place that she can find their cars everywhere. She's pounding on doors. There are RVs, all kinds of she's like banging on doors.
00:37:05
Speaker
And from this point in her story, she's like, all I can hear are gunshots going off and all I could think were both my friends are dead. You were protecting her who were protecting her. Yeah. And so, you know, the clip shows back to what's going on with Arthur. Apparently, Aldo was literally bleeding out at this point because he got hit like he got hit right in the stomach, but it hit his liver and
00:37:33
Speaker
The guy, like it was actually interesting listening to the way that he was like telling the story because he was like, I've never been in a fight in my life. He was like, but the moment I decided I was going to attack him, I was like, I may not have ever been in a fight, but this is one I'm going to win. Like, you know what I mean? I'm not going down with a fight.
00:37:54
Speaker
So at some point she's up there, she's screaming, she's yelling, somebody call 911. Anybody, somebody freaking like help, right? So she gets back to their Jeep and she starts hearing noises from behind her. And it's Aldo. And he like literally crawled his way back up at the guy's like on his death bed. Okay. There are still gunshots being fired at the beach. They have no idea what's happening with Arthur, with Arthur.
Escape and Aftermath
00:38:20
Speaker
And at some point,
00:38:22
Speaker
Arthur said that they were in a battle and he was like I'm taking the gun I am I'm getting this gun right and so they're they're literally like locked in on this weapon right now and and Arthur starts to kind of get it toward him they can't see your hands but she's pointing the gun back right right right
00:38:38
Speaker
Sorry. I'm very, very, very handsy when it comes to talking. Okay. So they're, they're twisting the gun back and Arthur is getting progress like going toward him. Yeah. The gun fires. The guy screams in pain. He got hit. He got it. Yeah. And so, you know, Arthur's trying to like get back up. The guy still won't let go of the gun.
00:39:00
Speaker
And the guy's like, just go, just get out of here. Like leave run. And all those like, or not. Arthur was like, okay. And so he laughed actually in his statement, which is why I laughed earlier. He said, I ran in a zigzag, zigzag pattern just in case he was going to fire some more shots. So now at this point, he's charging up the hill and he sees Aldo laying there and he sees charisma, like trying to get like Aldo up, like getting, getting the Jeep, getting the Jeep.
00:39:28
Speaker
And I'm sorry, I'm probably really loud, but I'm so excited about this story, right? So Arthur looks down, he's got a hole in his chest. Oh, dang. So he's been shot in the chest. Didn't even know. Like, again, what we were talking about earlier, like with what your head adrenaline. Right. And so they they're like, bro, you've got to get in the truck. Like he's literally bleeding out. OK. And basically fight. Yeah. Right. Right. And so the author sitting here, he's bleeding.
00:39:59
Speaker
Charisma is freaking out and they're all trying to get Aldo into the truck because they know he's going to die. He doesn't look good. Okay. Yeah. And so basically Arthur was like, they were like thick as thieves. Like they were best friends. Yeah. Arthur looked at him. He was like, bro, I can't pick you up. I can't. I got a hole in my shoulder. Yeah. Like if you don't get into this Jeep, you're going to die. Yeah. And somehow miraculously got himself up.
00:40:25
Speaker
and like literally threw himself to the back of the Jeep. So charisma is in the back of the Jeep. Arthur with a hole in his chest. OK, he's like, I'll drive. Right. But I got better. Can I take off? At some point, the cops were already like on their way. So somebody heard something I would assume and called. Yeah. Um.
00:40:46
Speaker
But they, the ambulance, they all like kind of met halfway ish is what kind of the way I took it. Yeah. Um, they got Aldo in, they got Arthur in and they, they took off everybody to the hospital. They're getting charisma statements and like, it's just this huge chaos bubble of crap. Yeah. And they're, they're telling the police this, this is what happened. This is how it happened. This is what I did. This is what she did. Whatever.
00:41:15
Speaker
And across town, this man walks into an ER with a gunshot wound.
Revelation of the Attacker
00:41:23
Speaker
Like it hasn't gone out to the radio. Right. With a gunshot wound. It's not the 60s, bro. We talked now. And police go to investigate. And what police did not expect. Oh, no. Is that. Their their fellow officer, Henry Hubbard, Jr.
00:41:45
Speaker
He was a cop. Was the gunman. And that rape children. Oh, he was double trouble in prison. Not only everything, everything made sense now. Because all of the of the what do they call it when the cops get together? The briefing room. He's in all the meetings. So he knows what beaches they're staking out. He knows where not to go. What a literal monster. Yeah.
00:42:16
Speaker
Complete piece of absolute. There's no way. He got 56 years for the rapes. And I'm assuming the majority of it probably came from attempted murder. Yeah. If I were a betting woman. But, yeah. Oh, but you read that S.O.B. You rate was a cop. Children and you're a cop and you're behind bars. Here's the crappy part. Not only was he a cop,
00:42:45
Speaker
OK, but apparently a very good cop. Yeah, because he is the mind of a criminal. Right. Right. Yeah. What makes you that that dichotomy does just. Charisma found out later. Mm hmm. That he was her stalker. Oh, no. He confessed to it. So he was just washing her in her apartment. Yep. And trying to get in from time to time. Golly. Yep. And then took the opportunity
00:43:14
Speaker
when he was stalking her and saw her on the beach. Wow. Two men or no men apparently didn't matter to him. Because he was cocky. He had cop training. Yep. But that explains the fact when you know when you said that he was shining a flashlight in the face. Yep. I was thinking about that one SPU episode where they were trying to figure out who the rapist was. And the girl kept saying like how she blocked the light.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah. And so Olivia figured it out and she was like, you know, she said she put her hand up like this and she was like, who holds a flashlight like that? Cops and Elliot was like. And that was another one of like the, you know, straw that broke the camel's back in his conviction was when the cops had arrived on the scene. The flashlight that he handed her. Oh, she had it. She had it.
00:44:06
Speaker
She had tossed it in the back of the Jeep when they were trying to get Aldo out. Probably without thought, like it was not even. Yeah, they were like, they literally looked at it and they said, where did you get this flashlight? And she said he handed it to me. Oh, and they knew it was a police issued. Yeah, she's OP at poor girl. Mm hmm. Because, you know, she came out recently publicly that
Facing Workplace Harassment
00:44:32
Speaker
one of the directors or the writer or somebody high up at the WB at that time when she was on Buffy was like super inappropriate. Like Weinstein, inappropriate with her and like it was people, you know, the different co-stars were backing her and like the mental abuse that she went through. So she lived through this, helped catch a serial rapist and then got famous because I did look it up. Buffy didn't start till 1997.
00:45:01
Speaker
So lived through this traumatic event, literally solved a serial rapist case, which God knows how long that had gone on with him being in the briefings and then was victimized by her, her employment. Yeah. Which is, you know, so unusual for Hollywood. Like I can't believe anything like that would, would ever, I hope you pick up on the sarcasm
Reflecting on Storytelling
00:45:22
Speaker
here. No.
00:45:23
Speaker
But yeah, man, that was my story for tonight. And it was it was a good one. And I said, I'd tell you. So she I like actually complimented herself. That was my story tonight. It was a good one. It was a good one. I can I can only tell only because you started getting really giddy there. Like you were like bouncing in your chair. Like number one. Did he stab him in your garage? That's true. Frickin cold. But number two. Yeah, that was a good one. It was.
00:45:51
Speaker
had had all the elements they did. It did. So like that's kind of why I wanted to do like the two different stories and then just sort of bring them together. Right. So I got this idea because we both know I watch weird crap on TV. Right. You do. But this particular deal is season one of Surviving Evil. It's the first episode.
00:46:16
Speaker
And she is actually the host of the episode. That's and so no, the host of the show.
The Story Behind Surviving Evil
00:46:22
Speaker
Yeah. And so she decided like they decided that they're going to tell this story. That's that's their first one. It's called Terror Beach. And it is very. That is crazy. Yeah. Dang. And I will compliment myself if I want to. Nobody else is going to. So, you know, that's exactly my point. I was into that story.
00:46:45
Speaker
That was a good story. It was a good story. You had all the hell element. Yep. I loved it. Her friends were like, not today. Yeah. You know, it's so like and I know we could sit here and talk all day about like just the horrendous stuff that these victims went through. But I honestly can't help but feel bad for the men who got. Do not like diminished in our because and they had to, you know, they blamed theirself. Absolutely, they did.
00:47:15
Speaker
I could have done something different. I could have done anything different. I should have ran. I should have. Because that's what men do. Everybody does when you look through that, what you should have done differently. I mean, in any kind of situation, you get in a car wreck, you think about, oh, I shouldn't have been doing this or this. I should have done this. Yeah. Like you always second guess yourself, but to have to sit there and listen to your, your, your girlfriend, your friend, be raped, knowing you just sat there. It's not like you could do anything. He had a gun, your duct tape.
00:47:42
Speaker
Yes, still. Yeah. No, it's like it's literally like, how can I mind everybody? Monster. Yeah. Like, how can I mind everybody that has to live through this? She's okay. He's a crap, bro. The kids like that's what I mean. The whole thing. It always it always pisses me off more when it comes to children like. And it was actually it's it's not funny, but in the interview of Charlene,
00:48:11
Speaker
when she found out about the two young girls that were being victimized that got that were victimized. Right. Yeah. She was like, I can't even imagine because it was so hard for me as an adult to deal with. I couldn't imagine having to do that as a child. And my heart, my heart was like, like ripped from my chest basically. Yeah.
00:48:34
Speaker
That is insane. And I just don't understand. Like I understand. I don't understand how you are a good cop and this lived inside you. Yeah. Yeah. I get that it happens and there are bad cops. But I like.
00:48:51
Speaker
there are parts where, you know, they start talking about like him and his confession and how he doesn't fully understand his illness and like whatever. And I know I like, I just can't like, there's just not a sympathetic bone in my body for people like that. Oh, no, not at all. And like, I'm not saying that people don't have issues. That's not what I mean. But like, come on, man, you, you can't do stuff like that.
00:49:18
Speaker
and be gruesome like that and expect to not be hated and expect for people. You're a cop. You know what happens to those kind of people. Yeah. Well, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you put those people away. Yeah. And like just the cockiness of thinking, I can get away with this. Like, well, technically, if it wasn't for her friends that night fighting back, he probably would have for a while. Well, wow. Yeah.
00:49:44
Speaker
Gee. And I will say, although did survive. Oh, good. I figured because you were talking about them. Yeah. Like the interview with them. Yeah. Are they soft friends that I don't know? I didn't say. Oh, I'm sure they stay in contact, but. I don't know. Sometimes people are better off. Parting ways and forgetting about things. Well, yeah, I was going to say it's just like, you know, parents who was a kid nine times out of 10, they end up getting a divorce just because they can't handle the shared grief. Yeah. But.
00:50:12
Speaker
I didn't know if like, if they were interviewed on that show, obviously, you know, I didn't know if it was Arthur and. What the heck, what was her name? Charisma. Charisma. Thank you. Because I was thinking of the other girl. It was just Arthur and charisma that did the interviews. Aldo was not there. So I mean, he he he took the brunt and he took the he did take the brunt and he I mean, his was more traumatic, but yeah.
00:50:40
Speaker
And after lots of surgeries and all kinds of stuff, he was good to go. Oh, Pete. That's crazy. Yep. Oh, wow. Balls of friggin steel, though. Yeah, that's good friends. That is good. Those are the friends you want. Yep. I just my thing is, is she's in there beating on all those doors like that's what bothers me. And lots of things bother me in the story. But she's beaten on all those windows. She's beaten with just no one in those vehicles.
00:51:09
Speaker
they think she's a crazy person who knows you know what else kind of bothers me about it's like California has a lot of people yeah like I don't know well obviously someone heard and called the cops right that's what I'm saying like but no one thought to go help no they don't people don't do that no we talked about we did we did talk about that let's buy standard absolutely
00:51:34
Speaker
How's it going? I mean, you know, I enjoyed your telling of the tell. Thank you. I did my best. You did a good job that time. Thank you. Well, that's a story, guys. That's a story. Sorry for all the derailments over here with Faith and her random stories of Buffy the Vampire Pirates. It was a great show. Number one. Never watched it.
00:51:59
Speaker
What? Okay, maybe I'll watch an episode or two tonight and then text you and be like, um, you guys, you guys start like season three, though, because the first episodes were kind of rough, but it was fun. I loved it. Okay. Okay. Spike, Drusola, Cordelia, Xander, the chick from, um, how about Willow? How about your mother, Lily? You know, the rest of that's Buffy's best friend, Willow.
00:52:24
Speaker
And the ever awesome Sarah Michelle Geller as Buffy we do we do like she's in a new show now Like the wolf pack or something. I just remember and scream. I never watched in the very awful way. She died I never watched that but thanks for that spoiler alert. You know, they're coming out the new screen Hi, Jenna or take isn't it? You know, it's really funny. Yeah, once the atoms I do I liked Wednesday. That was really great. But can we please be more original? Nobody makes movies anymore. No, they don't it's remakes. It's remakes
00:52:53
Speaker
Oh, that was a good. That was a good twist on the Addams family. I felt like it was. I liked it. And I got to tell you, Catherine instead of Jones nailed Morticia like the look. Everything she had that one. That's. And I didn't like Wednesday. Yeah. No, I like. She was definitely my favorite character. Yeah. I liked her a lot. Her and the little wolfy girl, whatever her name was. She was great. My daughter could tell you because she's watched 800. You have no idea. I watched things once and then I'm like, I'll put this on while I go to bed.
00:53:19
Speaker
And the NCIS NCIS is my bedtime. I try to start watching CSI again, like the old one with Grissom. Oh, yeah. And I don't mean I couldn't get into it the way I used to. But, you know, BT Dubs, we're done with this story. If you don't want to just listen to us, Jack. Yeah, we're just literally shooting the garbage here. We're just going to continue talking. I so bull that Michael, Michael Wetherly. Yep, it's gone. Like the show's canceled. It's done. OK.
00:53:47
Speaker
And he has been posting some very interesting little tweets. Nope. That's not the same. I won't go back about how he and Ziva have Ziva's gone. No, that's what he keeps saying. Someone said, I would love to see Ziva and Tony together. And he said, keep watching your wish could come true. Like he's posting a lot of work because he only like my mom. Okay. My mom, she calls it. Gibs saves the world.
00:54:12
Speaker
And literally, my child knows the show like she knows the character Mark Hammond was just so good. It's like when they kicked Frickin Greg off of Criminal Minds. Yeah, it was never the same. It was a great show. Great. Dharma and Greg. Yeah, I know. But he was he was a hodge hodge. He was what made that show. I mean, it was still a good show afterwards, but it was never the same without hodge. And I don't care that he kicked a Frickin writer.
00:54:37
Speaker
Grow a spine worthless anyway. Yeah. And they're trying to like reset it with like. And I do love JJ. I do love JJ. It's not the same. But it's not. There's no Shamar more. He just had a baby. She marmalade. I saw that little Frankie girl. I'm sorry, guys. He's attractive. He is. I don't know what to tell you. Marmalade is a good looking man, but.
00:54:58
Speaker
I was I had a whole thought process. Oh, yeah, but Tony or Michael Weatherby keeps posting little spoilers because mom said because she was watching I went to their house the other night and she was of course watching Gibbs saves the world and Because I always like anytime I see spoilers I sent it to yourselves like oh, did you see the thing I sent you about? Tony and Ziva might be coming back She said the only two people left on the show from the original are McGee and Palmer They can't Magoo cannot carry that show by now. So no, I love McGee
00:55:26
Speaker
but it's not the same. That's what my mom said. But if they brought back and Tony has grown a mustache, um, because he posted a picture on like Instagram, Michael Weatherby did with a full mustache. And he said his daughter doesn't like it. But now people are remembering when Gibbs went on hiatus in season four, he came back with a mustache. So what if Tony's gonna pull a Gibbs and he'll be the new Gibbs, I'd be okay with him being the new Gibbs. If Ziva was on the show, I don't want a Gibbs shepherd situation. No, I want
00:55:55
Speaker
It's like, it's like, it's like, it needs to be stapler. I need to see the kiss. Yeah. Well, not even that. I want the, I want the, I want the Michael, but they're Lee back. That was so mean to Magoo. Like he just made their, their, Oh my gosh. Me and my mom were talking about all the nicknames, Mickey, Magoo, MacGyver, all the things they called him. It was, yeah, those are the good old days, but I do love that.
00:56:19
Speaker
I do love those guys. I'm sorry. We don't have much of a life outside of this podcast. So don't the once a week. We get to see each other. We ramble. And you just get to be part of that. We're all friends. Yeah, I'm totally fine with that. We have five new friends in our group. I don't know why I always go with five. We have five listeners, although we have been getting I've been posting some great memes here lately on our Instagram, which is twisted tales of a score pod. I try.
00:56:42
Speaker
You know what, you know what? Everyone's favorite. Well, okay. I have learned, um, in this past week, cause I posted one that had the, the, um, the awesome stifflers mom, the legally blonde where she says dumb ass, but it was a podcast listeners that are, uh, like talk back when, you know,
00:57:03
Speaker
You watch a true crime documentary and they finally figure out who it is. And you've done from the beginning and she goes dumbass, dumbass. People really liked her. Yeah. She's awesome anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So. All right. Well, enough rambling. It's freaking cold. Yeah, it is. I got to go bathe my child. I know. Well, guys, that groundhog better do the right thing tomorrow. Is it groundhog day tomorrow? February 2nd, isn't it? I don't know the date. I didn't even know we're in February. I'm going to be honest with you. Well, then I.
00:57:33
Speaker
Crap. I don't know. Calendars times. OK, well, guys, I really hope you enjoyed the story. I hope you enjoyed maybe a little of the rambling just to kind of digress from. Craziness of life and the crap that happens to you every day. And just know that no matter. Yeah, no matter what happens to you in life, we're still going to do a podcast and run in this exact pattern away and possibly be a part of our podcast one day or another because we weren't postal.
00:58:02
Speaker
Good B. Good B. Good B. Have a nice night. Have a good night. Bye. Bye.