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Listening Before Leaping: Nervous System Wisdom, Skin Signals, and Intentional Living With Jessica Sailer
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What if progress doesn’t come from pushing forward, but from listening first?
In this episode, we sit down with a holistic esthetician, Jessica Sailer, who is closing out her twenties and stepping into a new decade with intention, reflection, and deep respect for the body’s wisdom. Rather than focusing on expansion or “what’s next,” this conversation centers on slowing down, simplifying, and rebuilding trust with the nervous system, intuition, and self.
We explore how skin can act as a signal rather than a flaw, why nourishment and consistency matter more than perfect protocols, and how stress, digestion, blood sugar, and hormones quietly influence both skin and overall well-being. Through lived experience and curiosity (not rigid expertise) our guest shares what she’s learned about honoring rhythms, letting go of control, and choosing presence over productivity.
This episode is an invitation to soften urgency, release the pressure to have everything figured out, and trust that intentional living is still progress, even when it looks quieter from the outside.
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Transcript
Introduction to Holistic Aesthetics
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Welcome to the beyond aesthetics podcast, the podcast, where we dive deep into the journey of aestheticians who aspire to grow, not just professionally, but personally and spiritually.
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This is a space where the art of aesthetics meets the soul and the power of community fuels transformation. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, expand your mindset or align your career with your deeper purpose,
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you are in the right place. Join us as we explore stories, strategies, and insights that go beyond the surface because growth happens from the inside out. This is Beyond Aesthetics. Let's grow together.
Meet the Hosts: Tiffany Orr and Jessica Peterson
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And I am one of your hosts, Tiffany Orr, and this is my co-host. Take it away. My name is Jessica Peterson.
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this is such a fun morning because this is the second morning in a row that I get to spend with two of my favorite women, these beautiful women.
Episode Theme: Reflection and Slowing Down
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And today's conversation feels like a chapter closing moment. This is not an episode about growth in the traditional sense, productivity or future planning. It's about completion, reflection and slowing down with intention, which has been such a huge topic
Jessica Saylor's Journey and Practices
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lately. our guest is stepping into a new decade. It's so huge. We're so excited with a deep respect for the body's wisdom and a willingness to let life feel quieter.
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This conversation is an invitation to soften urgency, rebuild trust with the body and redefine what progress can look like. Our guest today is our friend Jessica Saylor, and she is a holistic esthetician whose journey has been guided by intuition, curiosity, and a deep respect for the body's wisdom. She entered the aesthetics field over a decade ago with a desire to support people in ways that felt meaningful and human.
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With foundations in yoga, Reiki 2, and traditional Chinese medicine-informed aesthetics, her work explores the quiet connections between skin nourishment, hormones, stress, and the nervous system.
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Rather than offering quick fixes, she approaches care through presence, observation, and intentional living, allowing both her work and her life to evolve slowly and honestly. jessica welcome to the beyond aesthetics podcast. We're so grateful to have you.
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I'm so happy to be here.
Jessica's Personal Rituals and Preferences
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but we're going to start out with something really fun because this conversation is so meaningful and there's so much depth to it that I thought it would be really fun to just start out with human questions like let's be human first before we do what we do and dive into the depth of things so my first question for you and I actually did consciously pick these so we've been working with Jessica for a year did we say that yesterday like we're really celebrating about a year together so these questions are
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Um, some of my favorite that I went through, I was like, actually, i don't know if I know this. And so I'm excited to ask these questions. So what is your caffeine of choice right now? I think it's always coffee. I've had to well, I've tried to break up with coffee so many times and it just doesn't end up working. I'm like, yeah, I'll do the matcha thing. I'll do the green tea thing. And it just, it, I always go back to coffee. What's your coffee choice?
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Like what's your go-to? I, so I have a little espresso machine at home and a little milk frother. So I'll put some almond milk in the milk frother with a little dash of maple syrup and then double espresso. So I'll make my own little like maple latte at home. It's literally what gets me up in the morning. The only reason I get out of bed, out of my comfort bed is is my maple latte.
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but Love to hear that so much. What is your favorite skincare product? That's always such a hard question. I mean, you can have two. It's so individual. And what makes a favorite for me isn't just like what it does or the ingredients, but it's also the experience that you get out of it. and Like if you're missing out on the ritual,
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component or that self-care component with your skincare, you're really missing out on a big part of what it can do for you. So, um, I look for like the senses, the sensorial experience that I get out of it. Um, not just the results. So, um, how it feels on the skin, the texture, especially the scent as well. But all that said, um Probably the Soothe Cleansing Cream, the Soothe Herbal Cleansing Cream from Green Envy.
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I started carrying Green Envy as my very first product line into my studio. um They're plant-derived, plant-based, organic product lines. That's all... um really ritual driven, but also clinical results are seen with it as well. But with the Soothe Cleansing Cream, it's a very universal product that someone with really oily skin, dry skin can use it. and it just feels so like velvety on this on on the skin. It's just, it's such a lovely product. Like I cannot wait to cleanse my skin at night. And that's what you should look forward to. you should look forward to your routine. So having something in there that gives you that nervous system care and the result that you're looking for is awesome.
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That's a really hard choice. Yes. No, I love that. And I couldn't second that more. I really believe. um and Tiffany and i were on the same page about this. We have the same favorite product for the exact same reason. And it is the first one.
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and that is so important that like our clients are excited to use that first product so that they look forward to their routine. It's so much easier to get them into a routine if they're stoked about the first thing that they're doing. And it has that whole body and senses experience. So I love that you said that because it is so important and probably something that, you know, somebody needed to hear and like think about. So thank you so much for sharing that. I also do like green envy a lot. Yeah.
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a lot a lot if and there's probably a lot of similarities to eminence there is absolutely and there's been a lot of times where if people are not ready for eminence then i'll send them green envy's way and i've done a lot of research on green envy and worked with a lot of um clients with that skincare line so i've looked through a lot of the info and have a few products myself and it is really wonderful Next question. One thing you're currently obsessed with that has nothing to do with work. I got to hear this because we talk about work. Like we talk so much about work. So I'm like, tell me more. Cause remember the first time we talked about your like backyard project and I was like, Whoa, something not work related that she's excited about. This is what I want to hear. So what is it for you right now?
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This might not be a surprise to you, but I end up having like hobby graveyards where I'll start something, like invest in it. And then I do it for like a week and I'm like onto the next thing. yeah But um I think long-term what I've really been, i think this coincides and like really runs parallel to the work that I do, but I've really been obsessed with like non-toxic luxury comfort wear and bedding. tell us more so especially brands like lunia lunia is like my all-time favorite right now they have like the best lyosel pans which is made out of wood pulp um and then they have a modal fabric as well that's made out of a cellulose like beech tree but it's
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Like the fabric is so stretchy. It's like a cloud on your skin. The bedding is beautiful. um Mate the Label is also a really nice one too where you can get more like active wear and other like day-to-day clothing as well, but still be like that comfort athleisure, but luxury um where I'm not really into like the Aloe Yoga and the Lulu.
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Um, just cause I, the fabric itself, like for the amount of money that you're spending on it, to me, it's gotta be like the best fabric in the world. And that's just not what I've experienced with those brands. So with these brands, Luna made the label and I recently tried negative underwear.
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which is very similar to Lunya, but has a wider range of options to choose from. um i'm obsessed. Like ah when I was talking about like what gets me out of my comfortable bed in the morning, um that's what I'm referring to. Like how much comfort you get from this rest wear is what they call it, especially with Lunya.
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it's breastwear. It's not just like comfortable clothing. So that's, that's my latest obsess obsession. Jess, do you wear like for work? Do you wear like that wear to work? Like the more active wear, do you wear scrubs? Like what do you wear?
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yeah It depends on the day. How am feeling? Am I feeling like fashion forward, my feeling kind of like, I want to wear street wear totally comfort in my lunia pants, which are also very versatile where you can wear them to bed, you can wear them out. They're really nice and versatile that way. So it really depends on the day. um If I had all the money in the world, all of my clothing would be completely non-toxic as well as my bedding and um literally anything in the house. That's what I would invest all my money in.
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I love that. I love, love, love that. Yeah. One thing at a time though, you know, obviously i don't have all the money in the world yet, so I'll get there. but for now, just one thing at a time and working my way up to really, really embodying and living that non-toxic lifestyle as, as it fits, um, you know, reasonably.
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Absolutely. Well, and I think what's more important than anything is knowing your style, knowing your values around what you want in your home and what on your body, and then you know, building on that.
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So like, you're already doing that. That's so cool.
Career Path and Holistic Education
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Yeah. And if anybody is like really curious about it and then they look at pricing and they look at these brands, start with like the basics, like organic basics is also a really nice brand. Um, and they're more cotton forward than like some of these other fabrics that I was talking about. But i mean, the things that are closest to you, like bras and underwear, that's a great place to start. If you're wanting to kind of move in that, like non-toxic direction versus starting with like leggings, for example. So there's ways that you can ease into, um, that kind of non-toxic wear.
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I'm so curious now, do you have these conversations with your clients? Like if it comes up, especially about like your undergarments and the things that you wear closest to you. And then if there are having like skin issues. I actually don't. Okay. actually don't. And I don't know why i should.
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you should. Okay. okay Well, there's another ah open door for you. You're already like yeah living and embodying this. Okay, we got sidetracked. Take it back, Jess.
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That was really cool. Because, you know, one thing that I love about you is that you do know your values and you are really intentional. Like it's so well encompassed in your life. So I love hearing more about that. Okay, what i'm so excited about this one. i was like, she's gonna read it and not want me to ask it maybe but what is your current guilty pleasure?
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um Binge watching Law and Order SVU. Ah, okay. It's actually really funny because so my husband is like really into sports and he likes watching these like new like psychological like limited series, which I do too But there's a comfort in watching something that you know.
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Yes. I've been putting on SVU like a lot in the last couple of weeks. And he was like, why do you keep putting this on? Like, don't you want to watch something new? And I'm like, well, I mean, sure. But like every episode is new. There's no like real plot to it. So I am watching something new. And um I went to bed a little bit earlier last night and I heard like the the intro music playing in the living room. And I'm like, I totally got him on board SVU. He's watching it. Yeah.
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Oh, love it. There is a comfort. It's like a nervous system soother to put on something that, you know, you don't have to think about, you don't have to keep track of. And um yeah, I think we all have our comfort TV shows. I love that though so much.
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Love to hear it. Okay, Jess, let's get into your story, a little little bit of history here and your path into aesthetics and into this career and kind of where you started and um why you chose aesthetics, how that's aligned with you on this, on your journey.
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Yeah. So when I went to aesthetic school, I originally wanted to be a dermatologist and then also a sculpture major. So like very opposite things, but my mom is a cosmetologist when I grew up. So I was always going to like Cosmoprof salon centric with her. And I was always hanging out in the skincare section while she was getting her hair color and stuff like that that she needed. And um I didn't like the idea of
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going to school for like eight plus years and giving up so much of my time and money and energy. so i was like, I don't think that's going to be for me. And then I entertained the sculpture design um major and really didn't feel like that was really the direction that I wanted to go in either, but I wanted to do something creative, but with kind of like a clinical background too. So my mom had suggested aesthetics and and the first school that i toured i was like yes this is exactly what i am meant to be doing i just felt like i was at home immediately i didn't go to that particular school but um it just felt perfect um and i'm glad i'm so grateful that i found it early on when i was 19 18
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um and graduated at 19. But I'm so glad that I found it so early on. and i know not everybody um has that same experience. And i mean, even in the the decade that I've been an esthetician, I've still like ventured off into like other things. I was a dental assistant for a little while and managed a wellness center. Like you said, I did yoga. I i taught yoga.
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So I really experimented in that decade, but still always fell back on aesthetics. Like this is, I was always brought back there. But even in school, I knew that I was always really attracted to more of the holistic, um natural side of aesthetics. And even a decade ago, that looked very different than what it does now. And i think that's why i went on that journey of Reiki and I'm getting my yoga teacher certification because I wanted to go deeper. And that's just not what I was getting from aesthetics. It was very surface level. And I just didn't know how to go internal more.
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And I even dabbled in product formulation. That was actually what my business started out as was um product formulations and like oils and herbs. I did some herbal studies as well.
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um So that's kind of how I started with the holistic side of my career. um And in 2020, that's when things really shifted.
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with what was available. Like all of a sudden there was all these online classes and people were shifting to online virtual things. Right. So that opened up a lot of doors for other providers or practitioners to start courses and programs. And it was really crazy. Like how much more holistic things were then all of a sudden available. And I had found this traditional Chinese medicine and aesthetics teacher who like studied under Chinese masters for many, many years. And this program was very private and I'm like kind of in awe that I even found it but I think whatever's meant for you will definitely find you. So I'm also not that surprised, but I'm grateful that I i did continue on that journey to find that program.
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Because that's what really got me super excited that like, wow, I can go a lot deeper than what I've been taught. This is incredible information. um So I studied with her in that program with other students for probably like two years, something like that.
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Um, and then I, with all that information, I was still left with, with like, why questions that like, this is wonderful information. and this really is so helpful and gives a wider picture of what's going on in the body. But I still want to know why, like, what are these mechanisms of action that's creating that response?
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Um, so then i decided to dive into nutrition, um, just this past, I guess it's been like two years now that I've really started to do that. Um, and, and just now.
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Honing in on like nutrition specific to skin, which is really exciting because then you can be a lot more hands off with certain clients and open up the door and be able to work more virtually.
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But also give clients like the real. whole journey of skincare from the inside out, which is a gift um to to be able to um to do that and receive that as well.
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So it's kind of the journey thus far.
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It's really actually incredible and, that and really cool how everything aligned for you. I'm curious where, where this deeper desire came from. Like, do you, do you feel like you can put words on that? Sometimes desires are just there and I think they're a higher something.
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Yeah. I mean, I've always kind of said that like, you know, I had some skin issues myself, but actually like my skin issues, my acne didn't start developing until I was in aesthetic school. Like it didn't, it wasn't there beforehand. I just liked playing in the kitchen with like banana and oats and egg whites and you know, the, the DIY stuff when I was a teenager. but I didn't really have like skin issues. I just liked being in the skincare aisle and like doing random things in that, in the kitchen.
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But yeah, I mean, you're right. I think it really is more of like a higher power, this like intuitive inner knowing um what I was meant to do um in this human experience that I have on this on this plane.
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um so I can't really put my finger on exactly what has been my driving factor other than i just know it's meant for me. Absolutely. One thing I love about you is your openness to what comes, you know, which most conversations that we've had lately is just really something that
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is unique about you, you know, an opportunity arises, you're curious, we, you know, explore it and you're, you're always just so open. And I think that that has so much to do with just where you are now. And you really continue to be that way. And I really love that about you and just your whole story really does encompass that everything that you just shared.
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It's really cool. Thank you. You're welcome. Knowing you now, it's easy to see how you've gotten here, but early on, like in your, um, during school, going to aesthetic school early on in your career, what drew you or how did you, I guess, knowingly follow your draw towards the holistic and natural skincare space from the beginning?
Personal Experiences and Spiritual Exploration
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Like, was there something specific that shifted you that way? Or what, again, was it this like inner knowing?
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I think, so when I left Kansas, that's where I'm from, and when I left home and moved to Connecticut, um I started going to this gym and I took a yoga class.
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And the yoga teacher was like, hey, you seem like, i don't know, there's something about you. I think you should come to my mom's studio um and take classes there. And I was like, you know what? You're right.
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if they I should. This is definitely hard want i know on this is absolutely a journey i want to go on. um And i I don't know. I was just in a space of like.
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spirituality and like diving deeper into that. And, um, I think yoga was the most accessible thing. And i started going to that studio and ended up taking her first, um, being a part of the first like cohort of, um,
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And I think that was really the starting point of, my own like internal journey of, um, health and wellness. So I can pinpoint it to that, like one yoga class that I took at, at this random gym that I, that I decided to go to,
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um
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Yeah. That actually gives me chills. That's just that. And that's how it happens. That's how, you know, it's just a, it's an invitation or ah somebody sees something in you that maybe you knew was there, but they needed to recognize it. It's really cool. Tell us about Reiki and how that came to, to life as well.
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That was also a very like curious driven journey. um And how I practice it now is, more of like an energy transfer than it is what I would call like a true Reiki practice.
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um But that started basically at the same time, it was with that same teacher. um She also taught Reiki one, two, and then her master's class two and This was actually done before i decided to do the yoga teacher training, but I was looking for things that I could incorporate in facial treatments and energy and touch seemed important applicable.
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um Like I was trying so hard to figure out a way that I can incorporate yoga into skincare. And I did for a little while, but it was more about philosophy than it was like, let's do yoga and then get, then get in the bed and like do facials.
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Reiki is something that I can do while They're under light therapy. They're doing a mask. um I can just be infusing it the entire time that I am touching them. So it really comes down to desiring to be intentional with every touch, with every application um and infusing that energy transfer and what type of experience I want my client to have. And more often than not, the feedback I was getting was,
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this um kind of like a transcendence that like there's this, there's something special about a gentle touch that's not manipulative touch. So it's not massage. It's not, we're not going anywhere with it. It's just holding that space And that is not something that everybody experiences, especially in a facial where it becomes kind of magical. And right now i i mostly just do it while they're under the light because the light is kind of a trippy sensation already. So then when they're getting that energetic transfer, it's a whole other experience. And they're not just like under the light and I'm just kind of doing other things around the room or I step out. I want the whole treatment to be...
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meaningful to them. And even that gentle touch, just like I'm here and I am still providing and I'm still holding that space. Oh, I love that.
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Um, I love that with the, with the l led d light, because I do think that's a space in a lot of treatments that is a missed opportunity for the service provider that they're not actually taking full advantage of that, that, like you said, they're breaking down the room or they're cleaning up or they step out or, um, you know, they're doing an extended Scott massage, which feels nice as well, but we've already done a Scott massage in that facial. So I actually really do love that so much.
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Yeah. And then I'll do hand and arm massage afterwards. Like when they actually have their like final mask on is when I like to do that. So it's scalp, little bit of energy and then the hand and arm afterwards. But you know, an added bonus for the practitioner, your hands are getting that a l LED d too. So yes, a good point. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay.
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I'm here for all of this.
Nutrition, Body Image, and Skin Health
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Okay. So now let's talk about, so we've got these holistic foundations, this early influence, um, your exposure to like the nutrition aspect of things and those concepts and, um, living the experience and then bringing them into your practice.
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and It's a loaded question because I've always really struggled with food myself and growing up and not really having a positive relationship with food or feeling shame and guilt when I have like sugar or something processed or something. And it's not necessarily the way that, i mean, I think women in general are very hard on themselves to begin with, especially when it comes to body image. And I think just having certain people in my life being kind of like, you know, a role model or forefront and witnessing how they experience their relationship with food from a young age.
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And I'm a very observant person. I always have been. So I watch people a lot. And that's something that I that I took on. Yeah. was that negative relationship with food and that shame and guilt. So um I've always kind of struggled with that and finding ways that like, how can I feel better about the food that I'm eating or just like what I'm consuming in general? And then when I started having a lot of skin issues, when I was in aesthetic school, I remember this photo that was taken of me, I was eating yogurt.
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And my skin was just like so blown up. I don't know what was going on with the highlights in my hair at the time, but the whole the whole photo was just like, what is going on? And I just felt so much like disgust within myself.
00:28:31
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And that was the moment for me that like, wow, I really need to change my relationship with not just food, but how I how i care for myself and how i how I talk to myself too. And, um, that was like a couple of years after, like, I didn't even know that photo was taken, until somebody showed it to me years after the fact, when my, i was having like body acne issues at that point. So it was like, so it was systemic. It wasn't just like a surface level thing. It was, I was having systemic inflammation and, um, I found medical, the medical medium.
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And that's when I started like the celery juicing and, you know, this ah more whole food diet and the idea of abundance started to kind of settle in that like I can eat what I want.
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in moderation and in abundance and just have balance and understand what I'm putting in my body and what it's doing, what it's giving me. I think the the knowledge of what the food is providing my body made all the difference.
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And especially now, like learning how to balance blood sugar, for example, that like I can have the sweet treat, but did I have fat fiber and protein along with it or before it or after it to help that blood sugar spike and reduce cortisol levels and that, um that X, that like spike in sebum production that happens with cortisol spikes too. So like learning how things are all interconnected and working in the body and um, what I can do to help nourish myself, but also be able to have that sweet treat and not have shame or guilt around it just made all the difference for me. So I think I needed to go on this nutrition journey from my own, um, body image and like health and wellness, uh, more than anything.
00:30:36
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I'm just so grateful. Like, I'm so grateful for this conversation, Jeff, because women are so hard on themselves and um I don't know. I think there's, there's so many things that I could say about what you just said.
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and I literally just cannot wait for people to listen to this, you know, cause you're just being like hope. And you know what I think is really cool. And something that I just took away from what you said is your own awareness and consciousness around the food itself and what it's actually doing for you. And I think that that alone is really powerful and it makes me think what A lot of us just eat unconsciously and how powerful it is to be more aware of what you're taking in how it feels and being in the body while you're eating the food It's something I'm working on practicing myself. And so I think that was really powerful. Like to you, that is a normal part of your life, I think at this point, but I cannot wait for our listeners to hear that.
00:31:50
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and take that with them. Thank you so much for sharing that. And also, I love your love for nutrition and the skin so much. Like I cannot wait for you to continue on this journey so that we can have you back and like, do so much focus on this and, and have this conversation. And I love that more people are getting into it you know, but I love your desire for the depth of it. And you're like, I want more and I want to bring it to as many people as possible. And hearing what you just said makes me so excited for your journey moving forward and being able to really, truly help people internally too. And with their relationship with food, it's just really, really needed.
00:32:39
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Yeah, and with with kindness too, I think that's the biggest thing that I've had to teach myself and I have to remind myself every day. I mean, we just had this conversation yesterday too. that like I have to be kind to myself that um it's not going to be done perfectly every single day. you know There's many moments where...
00:32:58
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um I like feel like I failed that day because I didn't have the right nutrition values or I didn't do well enough um to meet like my own standard for myself. And it's really important that you remind yourself that it's a journey and it's not a race and you're always going, it's always going ebb and flow.
00:33:21
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It's always going to come one day at a time. and as long as you put your best foot forward with the energy that you have, that's all that matters. Thank you for saying that too. Tiffany and I had a few conversations yesterday after we met with you about other things, but we we kept coming back to like, I love what Jess said today. I love what Jess said today. I needed to hear that. And even in my journaling this morning, i was like, it's one day at a time. Let's just not be so... um
00:33:54
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into that big picture or you know what I mean? Like that one day at a time attitude that you have right now is really, really powerful just so that you know even after that conversation yesterday,
00:34:09
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we're even Tiffany and I are just really carrying that with us through many things that we're, you know, working on too. So I love that. And the self forgiveness is a huge part of that food relationship to, or like not holding yourself to some crazy standard or having the ability to forgive yourself when you are a little bit out of alignment with your nutrition and not demonizing food so important. Like it,
00:34:40
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Yeah, I could talk about this all day. So I need to be quiet. but Well, I mean, on that topic to like early on in that in that journey, like when I was really heavily into the medical medium, and I was doing these like sugar detoxes and stuff. And while my skin looked amazing, it really cleared up. I wasn't finding it sustainable. Like celery juicing 16 ounces every single morning is just like not, not only celery wildly expensive, um but the time it takes. to cut it all up and then juice it and then you got to clean the damn thing and i just don't have that kind of time every morning so i was like i have to find it another way like celery juice is not the only way to clear skin though like i know there's something even more to this but this was really valuable information is a valuable experiment that i did and like it definitely worked but
00:35:35
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Um, I was finding it way too restrictive and constructive as well that like, there wasn't enough flexibility and you know, my talking about flexibility and my husband and I talk about this all the time, but like he could eat, you know, rice, beans, and chicken like every night and be totally happy about it. I'm like, what are we doing different every night? Like we got to have something different every night. Um, so I really needed that variety and I just wasn't getting that. And yeah, like I said, it just wasn't sustainable. So, um It's just always been kind of a question, like, how can I do this better and more aligned? And I'm sure i'm not the only one that feels this way, but they crack this book open. They're like, yeah, hell no, I'm not doing that. Yeah. You're like, great information. And and right. Like that's an aspiration, but I don't think that's happening in this life. Yeah. yeah yeah one lifetime at a time yeah it is a lot it is great no I couldn't agree more yeah
00:36:41
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love it okay Tiffany is there anything else that we want to add before we move forward and don't think so okay
00:36:58
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Here's one thing actually that I do want to just add from this conversation.
Internal State, Emotions, and Skin Connection
00:37:03
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is understanding energy regulation and how internal states show up externally actually is something. So, um you know, the reason why I really wanted to dive into this too is because I'm seeing a lot on social media about this, like more estheticians talking about the internal state in addition to food.
00:37:27
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so I'd love to hear what you have to say about that. Yeah. I mean, I like to say that your skin is a mirror for what's going on internally, but what does that mean is the question that like, do you know how to translate that or or start to help decipher that or what are those contributing factors?
00:37:46
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um Blood sugar is a huge one. stress as well as hormones. But gut health is also extremely important. You can't address any of the other things without addressing like blood sugar first and gut health. And then like hormones are kind of the last last frontier, the last thing that you really start to address, where it's really quite amazing when you start to see those shifts happening to your hormones before you even start directly working on hormones. So, yeah you know, there's
00:38:19
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that like hormonal acne buzzword, right? What does that even mean? Like, is it it estrogen? Is it testosterone? Like what are the androgens that are at play? Is it cortisol? Like what, what is happening? Um, there's no real way to like, no, like, do you need to detox estrogen? Do you know like what, you know, so like functional testing can also be a really important factor in determining like what is going on hormonally.
00:38:45
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so that you can better, more with more information, address a hormonal issue that could be contributing to skin issues. But again, like you can't see those shifts happening if you're not targeting your blood sugar and your gut health.
00:39:04
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Those are the two most important things. But there's you know face mapping that what i initially, like there's so many different face maps out there. And the one that I found the most profound um and accurate was the one that I took from that traditional Chinese medicine and aesthetics.
00:39:23
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course. So like each zone of the face correlates with different organ systems and each of those organ systems carry different, not just functions, but also emotional states too. So you're also contributing the emotional wellbeing of the person to what is going on on the skin and what could be a driving factor for like some liver acne that's going on. The liver does a lot for us, but the liver also harbors resentment and anger. So it's very multifaceted. It's not just like just stating that
00:39:58
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skin as a mirror isn't enough. um Being able to decipher that is that next step. And that's what I've been studying for the last couple of years and really starting to like fine tune and starting to put those pieces together. It's not, I wouldn't call it simple. It's a very complex network.
00:40:18
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The body is a very complex network. So you can't expect that the skin to be any different. um And it's so individualized too. So that's why I'm also not necessarily for like specific protocols, internal or external that like we need to address things very differently and mindfully. And it really starts with the mindset of the individual.
00:40:41
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So like I can say we need to address your blood sugar and we need to address your gut health first, but maybe they're not ready for that at all. And they're not ready to give up certain things or certain lifestyle factors where we really need to start with the emotional well-being and mind and mindset practice to begin with. So hope I answered that question.
00:41:02
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ah My mind's blown right now. I know. Actually, I'm not ever really considered the emotions. behind like the face mapping and the different organ systems. And of course, like, yes, that makes sense. It is so layered and multifaceted, like you said. And it's so interesting, like, um, talking about like the buzzwords and like, you know, hormone health is just really trending right now. And like perimenopause and all, there's all of this information out there that's,
00:41:33
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I think helpful yet, maybe not because then it just leaves us with more questions. Right. And it's so interesting and, um, valuable to hear that. Like it does start with your gut health and with your blood sugar, which makes sense because if we go back to, you know, science class, yes, that's how, you know, it all like everything funnels into something else.
00:41:57
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Yeah. Mind is blown. Yeah. And the best way to be able to, I think like the one, tip that can be the most or that is the most helpful to balance blood sugar is making sure you're combining your foods appropriately. So like each meal or snack, do your best to try to at least incorporate protein and fiber together. They need to go together. um and if you want to take it in next next step further, add in some healthy fats, like some avocado or nuts um or something like that to to help with protein.
00:42:32
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the cellular health too. Because along with the cellular health, you're also going to get better hydration. so like, let's say somebody is, and this happens a lot on the treatment table. They're like, I drink so much water. Why is my skin still so dry? It's because you're not cellularly hydrated yeah and it could It could be rooted in lack of certain nutrients that your body is not getting to help with that that cellular health that holds the hydration like a sponge. or Maybe you're not getting enough electrolytes. Maybe your electrolytes are imbalanced. and you're not holding onto that water. um But that's where, you know, that's where skincare really comes in. I think of skincare as more of a supplement, a topical supplement than it is just like this thing that you do every night um for a certain type of results or an experience, but it really is a supplement. Because in today's world, even if you have
00:43:36
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A whole food diet, you have you have a perfect lifestyle, perfectly healthy lifestyle, but you're still experiencing um some re residual inflammation and whatnot. um With like the soil quality of today and that how that affects the nutrient value and even our whole foods is less than what it used to be. So still using some supplements to help you out and topical supplements can make a big difference. So I do think that...
00:44:07
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They still need to coincide with one another. I don't think it's one or the other. um applying or Applying both of those practices can really move that needle in your skin health journey for whatever goals or desires that you're trying to achieve with with your skin or your overall health and well-being.
00:44:30
Speaker
e I'm soaking up this side of you. Yes. you know Makes me want to work with you. you know. I know my wheels are also just spinning. It's just so fun because we know this of you, but we've never had the conversation with you and had the opportunity and privilege to hear you speak of it. And you are so passionate and you know what? You're so passionate.
00:44:57
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well articulated that you're very easy to understand. And I think that people, the clients that you're working with will really appreciate that about you too. Your, your words, the way you're verbalizing it because you're passionate about it, but you're saying it in a way that we can all take in and we're like, wow. And it's doable, you know, yeah,
00:45:21
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But you don't overcomplicate it yeah And I think I, well, I was doing that for the longest time. I was overcomplicating it for myself so that I was having such a hard time trying to deliver it people that I was trying to support and help where they're just like, what are you trying to tell me to do? And I'm like, I don't know. i don't even, know I don't know.
00:45:43
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and so i was like, I need to like break this down for myself. And like, I think that'll help. Most people, most people need it broken down, you know, especially it's not something that they like study every day or look at every day. They're not super familiar with it. Like I have, you have to make it palatable so that you're, you're providing the best possible for your client. Again, you're meeting them where they're at. You're not trying to make them come to you. Yeah.
00:46:18
Speaker
It's really valuable advice and a really good reminder for any esthetician or practitioner to like, if you're having a hard time understanding and verbalizing and digesting your own information, then who you're trying to land it with is definitely not going to. But I love that advice of like, you meet your clients where they're at.
00:46:37
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Don't try to bring them to where you're at. It's just such an easier, um I don't know, space. it's like it's It's space holding for them, right? And then they are going to meet you where you're at because you're like meeting them where they're at. I don't know. I love it.
00:46:52
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Yeah. And I think that the change in my consultation really helped me make that shift too. Either when I was doing a discovery call with a new client or in that new client consultant facial, i have a series of questions that I ask that helps me figure out Where's going, where is it going to be a good start starting point for them? that's not going to be overwhelming. That's going to fit their lifestyle. That's going to fit with what they're willing to do at this point in time and to help build trust. I'm not trying to like give you so much information. We get enough of that from like the medical system. Sometimes they like,
00:47:31
Speaker
spill all this stuff on you and you have no idea what to do with it What I want my role to be for, for my clients is that supportive bridge. that helps them understand how to integrate these things into their life and in a way that makes sense and that's sustainable.
00:47:50
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So me doing it for myself is definitely helping them. And it really helped me refine my, my consultation and what my intention is for, for my clients.
Changing Perceptions in Aesthetics
00:48:03
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I think Jess and I have both seen that shift in you for sure over the last year of working with you and really refining your processes and the understanding that you have about um everything within your business and therefore your intention behind it you know? um And, you know, ah an interesting like finding that I was getting too from these consults and You know, when you ask the questions of like what your goals are, what you would like to work on, what you would like to see from working with me or get out of working with me, a lot of it is like this.
00:48:42
Speaker
People, like I said earlier, you know, we're so hard on ourselves and especially our our image and how we view our skin, how we talk to ourselves about our skin is really quite awful sometimes that like, i don't, I don't want to be the fix it person.
00:49:03
Speaker
You know, that's not my goal. My goal is to help you connect the dots for yourself. And I'm just that guide or that coach for you. Like, I'm not trying, again, I'm not trying to fix, I am trying to help you make that shift within yourself of like self-acceptance and that instead of seeing acne and like seeing
00:49:27
Speaker
all these negative things that I really don't want to say because they're awful, but that's how we talk to ourselves. When we see that on our skin, instead of saying those things to ourself, we can say, hey, I think i am maybe falling short in this department. Like I really haven't been, you know, keeping my blood sugar blood sugar a priority. I haven't had like any water in like two days. um I should probably get back on that. This is just my my skin's way of communicating with me that um I need to prioritize my self-care again. so like reframing how we view our skin and what's going on with it, I think can really reshape some of the industry too, that it's not just an industry that's like surface level and about
00:50:13
Speaker
This, you know, the face what's going on in the face. It's what's going on internally. um that matters more than anything. So I really, my goal is to help people, you know, reshape and rethink how they how they talk to themselves and how they view themselves.
00:50:31
Speaker
Well, and like that's where the sustainability will come from. But even deeper than that, like you are changing the way the trajectory of this industry, you know, is moving. And a lot of, a lot of us are on this trajectory together. And then I think more will continue to join. And then that's going to like, what's going to change the world. And that's what's going to heal women. And, you know, this, just everything. It's so powerful. There's so much comparison everywhere you look.
00:51:00
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especially as a woman, there's so much comparison where like, I've had many clients, even at the resort, they like, I don't want to get Botox, but all my friends are getting Botox. And I think I, I think I'm going to need to, and I'm like, why do you think you need to?
00:51:15
Speaker
That's your decision to make. ah I shouldn't be anybody else's influence. If you want to do that for yourself, by all means, like I'm not going to stop you. um If that's what's going to empower you, then great. But if that's not something that you really want to be doing, don't do that to yourself because you're just going to resent it. and And you're going to start resenting the community around you too.
00:51:39
Speaker
And I've had clients come to come to me that they're like, so my friend said that I had really large pores. What can you do? and I'm like, A, I think you need to and you need a new friend. um Absolutely. If I had a friend tell me that, I'd be like, bye. yeah That was so rude. um It's not your skin. It's not your it's not your problem. yeah um And before that, she had never, I've been seeing her for like years. She had never mentioned pore size until then. So like the comparison and like how we talk to each other is like really needs to shift and just like celebrate who we are versus our flaws. And like skin is not a flaw. Again, it's communication system that we have. It's an advantage that we have to see what's going on internally that we otherwise may not be knowing what's what's going on.
00:52:32
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the like a lot of people experience symptoms that aren't external. And it's even harder for them to like decipher what's going on So utilizing the skin as a true map is, um like I said, it's a gift.
00:52:49
Speaker
One thing I want to touch on before we move forward is what's really powerful is that as an esthetician, we do have, we're in a position to heal that way too. You know, we're not just in a position to heal, you know, the skin and treat it like you're saying, but we really do have the unique opportunity to connect, especially with women in a way that heals them inside. Yeah. I think that that is where our industry is starting to go. We're seeing it happen and more and more people getting into it. But man, if, if,
00:53:29
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Anything else that we say like doesn't land with anybody, which is impossible, but like that one key point that you saw that as an opportunity and you understand that and have fully embraced it and are leaning into it is just beautiful and really important for people to understand that we are we do have the opportunity to to do that and reshape and reframe how women are feeling about themselves. And you know what? That does start with the consult.
00:54:04
Speaker
that Something I talk a lot about when I'm teaching my class is like, hey, you have the opportunity right now to build someone up and challenge a woman to think more highly of herself. Yeah. And carry that with her versus like what she might want to change is so silly to me. Like it is skin, you know, it's not the end of the world. It's not, you know, and so we, we do, we put this like massive emphasis on it and we compare ourselves to everybody. Like it means something that it doesn't
00:54:39
Speaker
Yeah. And it ends being exhausting, not just for you as the one experiencing that, but you as the provider too, to be like feeding into this mindset that doesn't feel right, where you, you have to be the one that's like, no, like this isn't, this isn't the way that things work in this treatment room. i
00:55:02
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It's true. Yeah. Beautiful.
00:55:08
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Okay. Um, let's go ahead. Actually, we're going to skip ahead just a little bit cause we just covered so much. So Tiff, let's talk about, let's get into the year of slowing down and nervous system repair. If you want to take that away.
00:55:23
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Yeah. so let's, let's revisit 2025 Jess and just, um, let's talk about you. Let's yeah. how how this year has shaped out and, um,
00:55:37
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I think, you know, learning to where this um embodiment of taking things one day of a at a time, and I'll just actually let you take away. Yeah. um So this is my 29th year in 2025. I'm about to turn 30 in a couple of weeks. So this really this year was really like, there was a lot of nostalgia of everything that took place in my 20s. And you know we constantly I try to remind myself constantly of like where you were five years ago, you wish you were where you are now.
00:56:14
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And like celebrating, celebrating that versus continuing to to climb that ladder without looking back and saying like, yeah, I did, you know, this, I'm here because of that. Because of all of these experiences and these journeys that I've been on in the past decade. And your twenties really is about like figuring year things out and that you coming to find find like, oh, I didn't have to have it all figured out by 20 years.
00:56:41
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um It was more about finding like peace and alignment more than anything. um And like a soft approach to life where I was like just going so fast for the for the past nine years, like trying to like hurry forward um and find that place versus like really enjoying it all and and admiring it all.
00:57:06
Speaker
um So this last year, yeah was very... nostalgic in many ways. And, um, I got married last year too, in November. So, um that was a huge shift, you know, and you know, there were other things that happened to moving through some grief and and whatnot, really closing a certain era, like felt, it's feeling very bittersweet, but like,
00:57:36
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I have this permission to move forward that i probably otherwise would have had a really hard time giving myself if I hadn't experienced some of the things that I did 2025.
00:57:47
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um that like I really can like let things go and with love um which is hard that is that is a hard lesson that I've that I've learned this past year but like career wise as you guys know it's been very up and down and like you know, detours all over the place, like trying to find like, what am I wanting to do here?
00:58:15
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um What kind of stamp do I want to put next to my name? And having this role that I'm at at the resort and having my business, I think what I've really learned is the strengths that I have um versus focusing on the weaknesses and things that I need to fix or work on.
00:58:42
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um and unmasking, unmasking was a huge theme, was figuring out how to let go of like, not being me, which sounds so silly. um but when you're used to masking, and used to being like,
00:59:02
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like feeling like you have to perform in areas of your life. It's hard to like put, it's hard to put that mask down and just move forward and unapologetically, like this is me, take it or leave it.
00:59:17
Speaker
Um, and in that same, no, I'd say it feels extra grounding and it feels like it feels more feminine. um to be able to do that, to put that mask down and move forward um without these high standards or high expectations and just allowing myself to flow into what's going to work instead of forcing things.
00:59:50
Speaker
I'm seeing so many parallels here with everything you just said. And then the conversation we had previously with the skin and the roots and the why, and basically unmasking yourself. And like, there's a direct parallel. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm um the only one seeing it here, but the a direct parallel with how you approach yourself.
01:00:11
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everything in the skin and the body and the emotional wellbeing of your clients. Right. And so I think you've actually been on this parallel journey together with yourself and your approach to how you treat the skin and the body as a whole. It's really cool. And one thing I want to touch on that you brought up yesterday And then you kind of just said it to just now, but in a different way is like, what do I want to be known for? And I, and I love that you have been asking yourself this and helping that really drive you and shape you and how you want to move forward in your intentions, moving forward. Because like, I think that's something we all need to be asking ourselves. What do I want to be known for? What am I doing here? What am I doing to like leave, you know, a legacy or to like make an impact or to to create a change that I wish to see. So I, I really, really love um hearing you say that and, and that awareness that you have. um
01:01:14
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It's just so, it's, it's just been so beautiful to just watch this unfold and, and be on this journey with you. Yeah. And, you know, I think we didn't actually even go over what you do and like what your roles are as an
Roles and Responsibilities in Career
01:01:30
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esthetician. If we can touch on that for a minute so we can help people understand like where you're at. And um so tell us a little bit about your business and Canyon Ranch and your role at Canyon Ranch and just, you know, talk about your actual career on the day to day and what that looks like for you.
01:01:50
Speaker
Yeah, so i mean, my business has shifted so many times in the past decade, but um more recently I'm figuring out
01:02:05
Speaker
what kind of esthetician that I want to be in the treatment room. And that is absolutely someone who is the bridge between um traditional aesthetics and this like clinical field of nutrition, naturopathy, functional medicine. I'm somewhere in between where I can pull from kind of both of those specialties and create my own. And obviously in a way that's in my scope of practice, not practicing outside of it, um but really embodies that like whole body well-being approach and not just a a surface level esthetician.
01:02:50
Speaker
So that's kind of what i how i would describe my aesthetics work in my own business. And then when I'm at... Canyon Ranch. Um, I'm the lead us edition there.
01:03:04
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um team of 16 and I'm really proud of this role. Um, that was also something that shifted in this past year. um it was not expected and something that I fought for and um,
01:03:23
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It really is true, like when you speak things out into existence, that like there's more of a probability of it actually taking place when you are consistently saying the same thing. And um that was very apparent. That was very apparent.
01:03:39
Speaker
made very apparent this past year that i that I earned that position. And we get like, can you tell us what happened though? Because it's kind of cool how it happened. Like you you left because you're like, I would need this, right? And then you left and then this opportunity presented itself. So give like, if you know, obviously I have to tell the whole story, but- yeah Like, let's give that real world example behind what you're saying and how that all worked out, I think would be super inspiring to hear. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I've been working there for, for years, a few years, and I was just at a point where I wasn't feeling like the work that I,
01:04:22
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due The amount of effort that I put into each guest experience was being unseen and not valued. And we've certainly covered in our coaching sessions that like for me to be able to be inspired in the work that I do, I need to feel valued by either who I work for or or who I work on. And, um, I wasn't feeling that there. And that was, that was a boundary that I was beginning to kind of formulate and put in place. Like, if I don't feel this, I can't do this.
01:04:55
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And I had like, tried to put my two weeks in and, that higher up at the time was like, please don't do this.
01:05:09
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a I understand you need to do what you need to do. and I respect that. But if you can be open to just being on call to start with, and I promise you there's so much down the pipeline that I don't want you to miss out on.
01:05:23
Speaker
And I was like, you know what? All right. That sounds fine. So i decided to do that. And, um We had new management come in not long after that. And i had had the opportunity to sit down with them and just kind of share my story, like why I chose to go on call in the first place and what I was feeling and what I wasn't receiving in order for me to feel like really good about about being there. And they really listened and they're like, okay um
01:06:02
Speaker
a week later they asked me to start training, um, new estheticians, which I was very,
01:06:11
Speaker
like I said, very unexpected. So I was like, what me, why? um and, uh, they had me do a treatment on one of the, like a managing director and, um, she absolutely loved the treatment and, uh,
01:06:29
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basically. So that that's, that's exactly what we're looking for. like level of like standard of care and that's what we want to be in this department and we need you as our lead.
01:06:43
Speaker
And we, I negotiated for the first time in my whole life, which was very scary, but also very, um, exciting at the same time that like, wow, this is like actually happening. And, um, yeah, became the lead and it wasn't because I pushed through things that weren't aligning.
01:07:06
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i think it's because I really spoke up and advocated for what I was worth.
01:07:12
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And that was seen. And I was able to prove that in a way that felt natural. Like I didn't have to prove it as in like a people pleasing way. It was proving it that like You want to know what my skill set is? I'll show you my skill set.
01:07:30
Speaker
um And they said, okay, yeah, you're right. We see it now. um so I'm very, very grateful that, you know, the management that we have is so wonderful in so many ways and want me to grow and wanted me to advance, um, and my career as well, that they, they saw that in me and said, yes, we want to help you too. Um, so that just meant so much to be, to be seen, to be valued, um, by a company that I really admire that, like the whole premise of the wellness resort, the Canyon Ranch wellness resort is like
01:08:18
Speaker
pretty profound and amazing what they do there and um I just feel so lucky every day to be able to be a part of that team and in a way that can make change and to be a voice for the team that I have.
01:08:34
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um
01:08:37
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Yeah, I think being in a leadership role was something that I've always really wanted and kind of like daydreamed about. And then when I started speaking it into existence, that's when the the real shift started to change. But I think it's always been, again, an inner knowing thing that like, I know I'm meant for that. I just need to find the right place that will help me blossom into it. Because it's a skill set that I hadn't really practiced much before.
01:09:08
Speaker
So being given the opportunity to practice that, refine it um be coached on too feels amazing. So I feel really lucky to be in the position that I am now and again, work with the team that is a it fabulous and great and want to improve as well.
01:09:31
Speaker
And then, I mean, share with us how this has shifted, how this experience has shifted things for your own business as well.
01:09:41
Speaker
I think being in that leadership role has... I think I was saying this yesterday that I've always really focused on the feminine and not so much the masculine. Like I've denied that masculine side of me for many years. And I think that's why I felt so chaotic for so long where recognizing you can have a feminine flow with a masculine undertone and the masculine undertone is the structure and the systems and feeling like
01:10:11
Speaker
if I'm in this leadership role, there has to be that structure, right? And then I think that just naturally flowed in my own business where I wasn't, i was like, you know what? I'm not gonna stress about these things anymore. i'm not gonna worry about it. This is what the structure is going to be like. And this is what's going to bring in the clients that i um that I know are looking for this type of care and work.
01:10:36
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So I think it just kind of naturally
01:10:40
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happened. i don't know.
Integrating Nutrition Advice in Practice
01:10:43
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I would agree. And i I, think it was things that you were already working on in, on your business before that shift with Canyon Ranch happened. Like you were, you were working on your numbers, you were putting systems in place, you were doing all of the systematizing things already. But then I think looking back the shift with Canyon Ranch happened. And then, um, especially that in between, you know, when you just were on call before you stepped back into that leadership role, you really did focus, on your business and you, um, I think, bright or I don't know prioritize, but your menu, but it's the right word, but you worked on your menu. You really got clear on who and what you wanted for your business. And I think that really just went together.
01:11:31
Speaker
Right. Yeah, I think the like the people pleasing part of me is starting finally like heal. And instead of focusing so much on what everybody else is wanting of me, what am i wanting?
01:11:47
Speaker
You know, what am i how how do I want to show up? And this is the way that I want to show up. um and how i feel like i can do it at my best as well so i think that was a big component of that too of that shift um and making really making things feel good i remember early on in our coaching you asked like what's on your menu that you don't want to do and there were like five things and i was like but i can't get rid of any of them
01:12:18
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And it took me like a year to be able to like, you know what? it just doesn't feel good. And I'm finding that I'm feeling resentful. for these services and like I dread them and i don't wanna do it.
01:12:33
Speaker
And um taking them off my venue and just making my menu so much more simple and just focusing on like, you know what, we're just gonna hyper customize treatment for you and you're probably gonna get something different every time, but you're gonna communicate with me every time that you come in what do you want most out of this treatment?
01:12:52
Speaker
What are the goals? And I'm going to give that to you. And of course, they there's like, you know, a streamlined goal in place too. For some for some clients, it really just depends on the person. But um making that decision lifted so much pressure instead of having so many different options to choose from.
01:13:16
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And keeping it streamlined for my client, but myself as well, feels so much better, feels so much more freeing. But like, i think I've noticed that I don't like feeling restricted.
01:13:30
Speaker
I need to have free reign to be able to pick up as you know, specific products to be able to really tailor a treatment for them. So I really focused that on that in the in my treatment room now versus like, well, that's not a part of this facial, so I can't use it.
01:13:48
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And of course there's, there's like some things that can't be combined, but um generally that's what I just, that's how I like to function in my own business.
01:14:00
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Yeah, absolutely. um i feel like people might be curious or want to hear from you. So we were talking about the nutrition and the skin aspect.
01:14:17
Speaker
how do you How do you incorporate both when you're working with your clients in your own business? Now, obviously in Canyon Ranch, I would assume you guys, one thing that I forgot to tell you is that Jess is in Tucson.
01:14:30
Speaker
um yeah I just had to throw that in there so that people know where you're at. um Okay. So at Canyon Branch, I would assume you don't have those types of conversations with clients or do you do you? I mean, to a degree, I think if there's a specific skin in front of me and we just start having a conversation and I might give like some little tips here and there of like, Hey, maybe try this or maybe,
01:14:58
Speaker
um Maybe it's time to see a functional medicine doctor or naturopath that can perform some of these functional tasks. I think there there might be something else going on here contributing to this issue and that you're experiencing, like PCOS, for example. you know There are certain signs and symptoms that we may see as providers um that otherwise might be overlooked by patients.
01:15:25
Speaker
some medical providers that that's not like their main focus, you know, know so and being able to point them in their in the right direction of this might be going on, it would be worthwhile to just get that confirmed or denied by a medical provider. um But in my own treatment room,
01:15:48
Speaker
I sprinkle it in. i give, again, I meet them where they're at. It's on my intake form that if they would like to know more about functional nutrition and how they can integrate it in regards to their skin health and their their their journey. And some mark no and some mark yes, but they're still coming in to see me. So that tells me that they're still, they're valuing a holistic approach. So that window is not entirely closed. I ask again,
01:16:18
Speaker
In that initial consult that we do that like, hey, i I noticed that you marked no and I want to respect that, but I want to know a little bit more about why you feel that way. and more often than not, the answer isn't like, I don't want anything to do with.
01:16:33
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healthcare care or wellness or or whatever. It's, oh, I have a team already. Like I have a nutritionist, have a naturopath and that's great. That's wonderful. I'm so glad that you have that team that you're already working with.
01:16:46
Speaker
um Again, what my intention is, is to help bridge that gap. So I would love to know more about what they're having you do and how it might be impacting the skin or not impacting the skin. you know Maybe they have a completely different trajectory or goal that they're working on that's not specific to skin. um Or like the other day, it was, i had that same scenario happened and um and she had mentioned that she doesn't drink water. And I was like, okay, try just increasing by two ounces a day. And she's like, oh, I've never been told that. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I am trying to get across is that bridge role that I'm not trying to replace a medical provider or your nutritionist.
01:17:32
Speaker
I am trying to help you maximize off of what you're getting from them. That having a lofty goal of like 75 ounces a day when you're not drinking anything is probably not helping you so again, giving yourself grace, no shame, no guilt.
01:17:50
Speaker
If two ounces is all you drink today, great. Try four ounces tomorrow or at least two ounces again. Like let it build and let it be like purposeful and meaningful and intentional.
01:18:01
Speaker
So it's, I start out with those little tips to, Especially for new clients and especially for clients that really need that like slow trust building process. I rarely ever just like jump in with nutrition and like some meal plans.
01:18:20
Speaker
So i am building different tiers to be able to work clients that I have in my treatment room up to a level where they're ready for something like that.
01:18:32
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But i may just start with giving them a little sheet of paper. Here's top five foods for boosting collagen. Here's top five foods for boosting hydration because hydration doesn't just come from water that we're drinking. It's also the food that we're eating. So there's different ways that you can do this without it feeling overwhelming or too much. So that's how I start to integrate it. And then if they want to move into like a deeper... nutrition, um then we can focus on like some meal plans. And what I'm working on now is trying to provide or trying to find a provider who i have a relationship with, a professional relationship with, to help with the functional testing so that that's something that I can offer to my clients as a part of the treatment program. So working with a naturopath that understands skin and understands the functional tests that help to reflect what's going on specific to skin. That's out of my scope of practice.
01:19:35
Speaker
But we can work in tandem together to help this client, to help read those results and even support me too. so Um, that's kind of, that's where I'm at personally with how I integrate it. And I look forward to deepening that this year and really feeling that confidence flow when I'm communicating to my clients about how important nutrition is because I never want to force somebody, but I do want the clients that walk through my door to be ready to like,
01:20:14
Speaker
jump in that field with me. Well, I think that's such a, what I wanted to touch on is you're not afraid to like, still have that conversation, even if they mark no on that intake form.
01:20:28
Speaker
And because you are so clear in your role and intention on being the bridge between both and And without any fear behind it. And I think that is something we can all take away from of like, just because, you know, maybe that first door seems to appear to be closed because they marked no, we're still going to have that conversation. We're still going to ask those questions. We're still going to let our clients know that this is your role. This is what you're here to do. And without like pressure, without forcing anything. And I just think that is so empowering and inspiring. And something we all needed to hear. So I love, i love that you're in that space. Yeah.
01:21:08
Speaker
Yeah. Absolutely. Of course I always like respect their decision of their life. Definitely not. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't insert um anything that's unwanted.
01:21:20
Speaker
um until that trust is built and they, they ask me, Hey, I think I am actually interested. I looked over that little, like piece of paper that was in my new client packet and I'm actually intrigued. So I wait for them sometimes to, to like, say like, okay, I'm ready.
01:21:36
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. So much gold shared. name i had to hold myself back because I feel like there's just so much beautiful conversation that we can have.
01:21:50
Speaker
And we're really grateful for you being here with us and sharing everything that you did. And again, like from our perspective, ah hearing you talk about it was so fulfilling for me today. I'm sure that Tiffany feels the same to get to hear it from you and not just know of you was really, really awesome. Such a fun opportunity. yeah. Before we wrap up and close out, is there anything else that you would want to share, like any inspiring tidbit or words of wisdom for anyone listening?
01:22:27
Speaker
I think if you have this inner knowing about anything, go for it and try to explore and experiment. And if it feels good, continue with it. um You don't have to like conform to what everybody else is doing or a different, you know, maybe you want to do nutrition and aesthetics, but you want to do it differently. Like do it differently, do it your own way, whatever feels aligned for you.
01:22:54
Speaker
Definitely agreed. Thank you so, so much. um So this chapter is less about becoming something new and more about integrating what has already been learned. Sometimes the most powerful growth happens when we slow down, listen and allow our body and our intuition and our heart to lead.
01:23:17
Speaker
So thank you so much for everything that you've shared. Can you tell our listener where they can find you? Um, my Instagram handle is at Jessica dot sailor, um which will be changing soon because I just changed my business name. Um, so maybe I'll give you guys that once I update it, but, um, yeah, for right now, it's just at Jessica dot sailor.
01:23:42
Speaker
um yeah. Do you have a website? and sure Yes. It's healthy skin aesthetic.com. That's aesthetic spelled with an A in front.
01:23:54
Speaker
Thank you. Love it. Well, thank you so much, Jess, for being here. and We'll just wrap up this conversation today. Of course, you can find us at the Beyond Aesthetics on Instagram and on TikTok. You guys can always with email us as well. it is just hello at the beyondestheticscoaching.com. And we would also love it as always, if you would give us a rating and a review and And Jeff, thank you again so much for your time. And we will be having you back on. So our listener knows, like, is there going to be more Jess in the future? Because there was so much more that we could have talked about. Yes.
01:24:34
Speaker
We'll be back. I would love to come back. Yeah, we already know that she will. So thank you so much for being here with us today. Have pretty dreams. And we will see you in the next episode. Have a good day, both of you. I love you.
01:24:48
Speaker
Bye. Bye. bye