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WGA Strike deal & News
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We're back and we bring good news 1 strike down 1 to go and new movies and tv shows coming this Friday the 13th
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Return and Northern Lights Experience
00:00:16
Speaker
All right, welcome back to fright central I'm doc
00:00:22
Speaker
back here again with Keck after a long months absence of shitty work schedules and then alternating vacations but we are back. It wasn't really a vacation per se but I mean it was good to get out for a while. Yeah. It was definitely good to get out.
00:00:43
Speaker
that's good I saw the fucking northern lights man like apparently like it was like they said it was some of the best lights that they've ever seen in the skies of Montana like usually it's more like Canadian I think Alaska and stuff but like apparently like the old-timers told us that like out of all the times that they had seen this this was probably the clearest
00:01:11
Speaker
they had ever seen it. And it was just like totally random that we happened to be there at that time. So it was a heady experience.
00:01:20
Speaker
Yeah, that's awesome.
End of Writer's Strike and Producer Tensions
00:01:21
Speaker
Well, we got back just in time for them to end the writer's strike and they ratified it yesterday as well on Monday the 9th. Yeah, good omens, man. Maybe it was the aurora boliatis that did it. I butchered that. The pronunciation, the aurora boliatis, I still don't know if I'm saying it right, but
00:01:45
Speaker
You know, maybe that's what did it. Maybe that's why it was right around that time. I think it was like, no, it was actually a few days afterwards, but I don't know. But the good news is, yeah, the strike has come to an end and you said it was cemented yesterday. So like the terms have been like now signed in to all, if you will.
00:02:09
Speaker
yes with a 99% vote on that after 150 days of walking out so yeah it's it's been a long ass time and like reading over like the details i feel like a lot of even though like
00:02:24
Speaker
was a lot of like producers saying like oh like they're asking for too much i feel like what they ended up getting was pretty much like something they could have you know worked out like on day one you know what i mean like yeah i mean like well we had speculated when we spoke a little bit yesterday about the like external factors that might have like come into play too like
00:02:48
Speaker
Outside actors whether or not it was in bad faith or not you know fucking people with their goddamn like you know social networking and nighttime beds if you will.
00:03:04
Speaker
or you know nighttime meds or you know somebody seeing something a writer post it and then like you know a producer who's sitting there in this fucking mansion sipping scotch like suddenly they have a platform to just oh like you know in seconds and you know once it's out there for like you know like 15 20 minutes it's you can never take it back like you know once it's out there for a minute or two you can't take it back
00:03:33
Speaker
Yeah, like you know you just have all these different bully pulpits. I mean I you know so But yeah, I know what you mean this shit should never have gone on as long as it did yeah, I mean there was also a lot of fucking the producers guilt just not even like
00:03:51
Speaker
trying to come to the table immediately. It felt like it took them months before they were like, okay, now we'll start negotiating. You know what I mean? It was just... Yeah. It seemed like silence for a long ass time and then just like shit talking. Yeah. Initially, it seems like they were just trying to be like, all right, we're going to call their bluff. Like, you know, they want to do this. We're just going to not do anything. Like, you know, I mean, at that time it was still like what? It was still...
00:04:19
Speaker
When did the strike start? Do you remember the starting date? Alright, so you know, we're not even in the summer yet. So they figure, like, alright, you know, we could sweat them for a little while, like, as long as, like, the fall lineup isn't in jeopardy, like, you know, it'll be alright. Well, yeah, the fall lineup came in the jeopardy. Things got out of the way.
00:04:41
Speaker
We'll go out and cut the treetops down so they don't have any shame during their strike. Yeah, it was just a giant pissing contest. I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart, like all on the side of the writers, but I kind of was.
Financial Impact and Industry Reflections
00:05:00
Speaker
It was them asking for something that I believe that they were fully deserved.
00:05:10
Speaker
the on the other side, it was just it seemed like it was just all bad faith. Like they never they seemed I don't know if they thought that they had like this position of power and authority over them like you know, they were these like, huge overlords like
00:05:29
Speaker
that were able to like just press out and then be like how dare you question us or something like that you know but it turns out that that really wasn't the case like the writers were in it for the long haul and I think I mean if you were going to I mean
00:05:49
Speaker
there's winners and losers on both sides because look those people were out a month for what do you say 150 some odd days you know this each side took like extreme losses I think when we calculate everything out it's going to be them that like were the main losers because of the revenue that they lost with
00:06:15
Speaker
all the outage time. When you take in the consideration projects that have been pushed back maybe even years, I think they're going to suffer the most long term if you look at it just in terms of revenue. Yeah, remember back during the summer, I think it was like David Zasloff of that
00:06:38
Speaker
ever at max wb he was like oh this uh strike is saving us like 100 million dollars and then like and then a couple months later they're like oh uh actually we've lost about 200 million so far what was the last strike i think was one
00:06:57
Speaker
point to no it was more than that it was over 2 billion I think because they had to like retroactively like basically look back at it because you can't really calculate it until enough time has passed where you're able to run the numbers as to like what we had gained the year before so it's going to still take them like a year or two to get the full picture of like the economic
00:07:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I was talking about one company. Yeah, this is just one company like so Yeah, I just yeah, I mean the writers like they obviously were hurt out of work for a while But like I mean the production companies like they're probably I mean if the last strike cost between I think it was between two and three billion or three and four but I mean I
00:07:55
Speaker
that was when was the last writers strike that was back in I think something like that so yeah I mean with the amount of money and all the streaming services now shit I mean we're not gonna know I mean we can only speculate with the loss and we can only speculate how much it's affected like seasons
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. At this point, it's all speculation. We're talking out of our asses, but I think we can make some pretty fair assumptions that the production companies did not come out of this looking good at all.
00:08:38
Speaker
like based on their actions the way they conducted themselves as businessmen and women or like you know uh you know how things impact it like i mean to have to explain to your shareholders and board members and all that like how this all could have been avoided if you didn't just act like such
00:09:02
Speaker
fucking children such fucking little assholes like Both of what they they ended up giving like What the you know cuz the actors strike still going on so it's still not really over. Yeah, but like well It's over for me in terms of what they've both
00:09:22
Speaker
are like what the studios are going to end up giving up. It's such a small percentage of their fucking overhead every year, you know what I mean?
Value of Writers and Industry Comparisons
00:09:32
Speaker
That's the thing. It's like the writers are these lowly people. I mean, this is just my take on it. And my take is based upon the way they act.
00:09:46
Speaker
it's their reactions to everything it's like they feel that the these puny writers exist only to provide them with greater possession and wealth and like that's how they see it like i mean and i deduce that based on the way they've treated the writers you know what i mean because it was almost like
00:10:09
Speaker
The one guy, like, basically all but said, like, quite like, how dare they have the audacity to pull this shit coming out of a global pandemic and all this, like, accusing them of, like, I was just like, what the fuck?
00:10:24
Speaker
yeah so yeah it's like they create all the without them like the actors have nothing to fucking read off of you know yeah yeah exactly and people will try to like complain to writer about like why things are like bad when it comes to like like why are we getting all these reboots or remakes or whatever it's like that's not the writers that's the studio is going hey we can make money off this because it's a it's a pre-existing property
00:10:52
Speaker
So we're going to have writers write it. And the writers just start getting paid to do their job. It's not necessarily their fault if something's bad. We found out a lot about studio. Not influence, but interference.
00:11:12
Speaker
you know, over the years. And you really find out about it this year of like, Oh, do you like especially like there's like, cause Greta Gerwig on a Barbie, like she's come out and said a lot of stuff. They're like, Hey, do you really need this scene? And she's like, yes, that makes the whole fucking movie. You know what I mean? Like, and if like she didn't like fight to get her way on some things, that's a completely different movie. And that doesn't necessarily make fucking like a billion dollars. You know what I mean? Like,
00:11:39
Speaker
So it's like you got writers and you got directors having to stand up for like the choices they make to these studios, be like, hey, this is my artistic vision. I get that it's your money. But like, if you want a good product that people are going to go see, it's like, just let us fucking do our thing. You guys have no creative. You're not in the creative business at all. Just just write the fucking checks and get the fuck out of my way. You know what I mean? Like, it's like it's so ridiculous that. Yeah, I mean, with that.
00:12:09
Speaker
And I mean, if you want to just look at it, if you want to look at incredibly simplistic too, I mean, like we, I mean, we've seen countless films and television shows where like they had star studded casts. I watched one recently that I had just been talking to you about and like the actors were there, but like the writing simply was just terrible.
00:12:35
Speaker
And you can have the best actors in the world and if they have nothing to say, they have no lines. The director is not able to bring everything together. Everything falls apart and so the way I look at it, I hope that the actors strike and soon as well. But if for some reason
00:12:59
Speaker
all the actors were to just all drop dead now and we had the hit reset and all we had were the you know the excellent writing talent i'm telling you and i'm sure you probably see this like all the time in los angeles there's a lot of hungry young actors that would you know give their
00:13:25
Speaker
They would give a lot to make a name for themselves. So I'm not saying that we would just have Brad Pitts and Ryan Gosling coming out of the woodwork, Margot Robbie. Obviously, we're not going to just suddenly have that. But it would grow back pretty quickly. If you were to sever all the writers and have to have a new crop of writers to come up with their own original talent,
00:13:54
Speaker
that would be a lot more difficult to do. So I mean, I just think that like, I don't know, people, I think we've really seen what the writers are worth now. I hope we have. And I just hope that the production companies, and I know I sound like an asinine naive jerk off for saying this, because we've said it so many times before, but I hope that maybe
00:14:21
Speaker
Maybe they're going to learn from this. I know that's stupid I know that anybody listening is gonna be like what the fuck do you really think they ever learn? Have you not been like living in the war? But I hope they just learn and remember this a little bit the next time this shit happens so that it can be maybe like a matter of
00:14:47
Speaker
days or weeks or maybe not at all maybe like that channel in like secret rooms before it even gets to the point of a strike you know i mean there's a i just i don't know that's my piece yeah because like towards the end of the uh strike like i kept hearing about like these big name producers who i don't have on hand but they were just like
00:15:12
Speaker
They're in the room with the producer's guild, the people that are in charge of it. They're there saying, hey, let's fucking make a deal. You know what I mean? You've been speaking for us this whole time, and you've been fucking it up as well. So I think it was maybe a couple of people from Netflix or Apple, and maybe one or two other big production companies, where it's just enough is enough.
00:15:41
Speaker
we're not the ones fucking up over here it's these other guys and then it's you guys not fucking agree into these fucking terms so let's fucking hash something out so like we you they couldn't have like just like hired like a negotiating team like not necessarily like a team of lawyers but they couldn't have like just hired like some kind of like and basically said like this is where we'd like to get
00:16:03
Speaker
this is what we would accept and worst case scenario, this is as far we're willing to go. On our behalf, you negotiate with them and get back to us. But like I said, that does not seem like what happened at all. No, but I mean, that's what the Producers Guild is supposed to be doing. Yeah. They're supposed to be negotiating on behalf of the producers.
00:16:30
Speaker
They took offense to it. They took this shit personally. It was like they were being called out. That was not what these people were doing. They knew that this shit was probably going to go to a strike. They knew that they were going to be out of work for a while. I talked to someone that had some knowledge inside and they all knew that
00:16:55
Speaker
this was probably gonna be very uncomfortable but the producers they just took it like I mean I don't know I don't know if this was the I don't know if this was the act of like a few lone men or if this was like a big group or like they all got together like you know all like
00:17:17
Speaker
all the underlings from the companies came and talked to the producers and they all decided this or if this was just like a few lone nuts because it seemed like in the beginning at least this was just like a few guys that took like a lot of offense like that the writers were like coming to them
00:17:35
Speaker
and having the audacity to just demand what they were actually worth, or even a fraction of what they were worth, really. Because until this, I didn't realize how badly they were served. I did not know how undervalued they actually were. I didn't even know that until just a few weeks ago, to be honest with you. Yeah, they were just making a fraction of
00:18:03
Speaker
like you go oh well they're making good money blah blah blah and then when you realize like how much like the producers are making or like how much the the what the product that they like serve actually makes you're like oh they're only getting a fucking fraction of what like a fraction of a fraction yeah exactly it was
00:18:23
Speaker
When it was really put out to me, I was just like, oh, fuck. I had no idea. I knew that there was a big discrepancy. There's always going to be a large discrepancy. I mean, every writer, they're not asking to be rich. They don't get into it thinking that they're going to become a fucking multimillionaire or anything like that. But I had no idea.
00:18:53
Speaker
how some of the creative like the things that they were able to amass for these production companies that was like just worked so much money and they were like it was something like uh 0.001 like when it was being broken down for me in terms of like what the writers were actually getting for their contribution i mean
00:19:19
Speaker
Let's just suffice to say I mean I could go on all night like ranting about this, but they were really
00:19:27
Speaker
I mean just compared to the actors and I know the actors have their grievances but like holy shit where the writers getting decked like my goodness gracious I mean like it's like you know what I mean Ronald McDonald like treated his workers a little bit better always and like the grand scheme of things you can kind of compare this to the recent
00:19:52
Speaker
I don't know if it's still going on because I haven't really, uh, kept myself in the loop with that, but the, uh, car, uh, you know, manufacturers, um, yeah, like going on there because it's like, those guys were getting paid like, you know, a fraction of a fraction, you know, compared to what they were like.
00:20:13
Speaker
making off the sales of the cars, you know what I mean?
Political and Financial Negotiations
00:20:16
Speaker
So it's just like, hey, like, you're making all this money off of what we built. Like, yeah, I mean, well, I mean, our fair share. Like, that's I mean, it's a little I mean, in terms of like manual, well, in terms of manual labor, I mean, maybe that
00:20:32
Speaker
The main thing is I really don't know anything about the auto worker, so I'm not going to get into that because I'm totally ignorant of that whole situation. I hope it all works out and everything, but I just personally don't know anything about it. I know that it's starting to get very political and stuff.
00:20:53
Speaker
I mean, we've seen historically that generally doesn't go well in strikes when you get like national politics involved. It usually doesn't help. You know, we were talking about tweets and stuff like that. Well, oh boy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that I just hope it all works out.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Well, I can give you some of the details of what they've read. Yeah, that's what's, uh, let's see what, what, uh, did this all come to. Yeah. Well, I can tell you this much. They, uh, before the, you know, before they went on strike, they were asking for 16% raise over three years. They ended up getting a 12.5 pay increase.
00:21:38
Speaker
And see, this is something just real quick to stop you because I was debating this with other people who seem to not know. But this was, they were requesting a 60% raise, but it was over three years. So it was going to be like, yeah, and it was going to be an incremental raise and they also had to stay
00:22:06
Speaker
in good standing employed within the guild to get that. So they were going to still have to be very productive members. You know, they were going to have to keep working as hard, you know, like and have to stay within good standings to get that. So this was going to be incrementally given to them over three years.
00:22:31
Speaker
where they were going to have to maintain steady performance. So upon ratification, they got an immediate 5% raise. And then the next two years, next year will be 4% and then the following year will be 3.5%.
00:22:48
Speaker
So it'll end up being, yeah, 12.5 over the three years. I think that 3.5 is a little low, but I mean, I'm looking at it from my perspective when I get paid hourly and I don't make that much. 3.5 is less than a dollar.
00:23:04
Speaker
But when you're making like, you know... Did I say a 60% raise before? Yeah, just one, two. Yeah, 16. Yeah, sorry. They asked for 16 and they only got 12.5. Yeah, I had just noticed I was looking at the... Yeah, I was not trying to say that they were asking for a 60% raise.
00:23:28
Speaker
But in addition to the raises, the writers secured a 76% increase in foreign streaming residuals. So according to the WGA, this will increase their residuals from Netflix from 18,684 to 32,830 for a single hour long episode.
00:23:46
Speaker
So that's a pretty big jump. Butters will also receive a viewership-based streaming bonus between $9,000 and $40,000, depending upon the length of the show or if the streaming feature has a budget of over $30 million.
00:24:02
Speaker
That sounds like very common sense. Yeah, and to track the total viewership, the Producers Guild agreed to share the total number of hours streamed domestically and internationally as long as they remain confidential between the two sides. So this won't be released publicly. That's fair enough. That's fair enough.
00:24:23
Speaker
It's allowed to be shared between union members, but only in aggregated form So I mean it I can understand why they don't want to release the numbers so that way when they cancel something There isn't a big uproar of like hey, we all watch this like why did you? Yeah, I mean I have sort of like selfish reasons why I kind of like to know that stuff just personally but I
00:24:47
Speaker
I understand why, but for me personally, if I ran the world, I'd want to know all about that shit. Yeah. I feel like I would want my viewers to know. Yes, I would. And if you canceled something because it had high streaming numbers, then just be like, hey, the show was too expensive.
00:25:14
Speaker
you know, come to an agreement with like, oh, dude, you know, who's acting naive now? You honestly think anybody's going to admit like, oh, we ran into an error. Like we didn't like foresee the budget being this high. No, no, no. It wasn't like a forcing the budget being high, but it's just like, you know, like they could like just be like, hey, like it's more than we want to spend. You know what I mean? So we're canceling that shit. Yeah. But that would be incredibly honest.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah. That's a lot of what that's like. Well, they're not releasing the numbers either. So I'm saying like, never, ever. Yeah. I would want to be open, more open about it, but only company. I know who sort of did that. Well, no, they, well, after a number of years, HBO admitted to that, um, after, uh, the second season of the disaster that was initially a good show Rome.
00:26:12
Speaker
HBO like redid its whole like business model, and I mean you saw like cancellations like Carnaval deadwood I mean the cancellation of deadwood how good that was doing that's like Unthinkable these days like there's no way in a million year like that was shocking back then that would be like the
00:26:35
Speaker
first signs of the apocalypse if Deadwood would be to get cancelled after a third season now the way that show was trending but like HBO did come out afterwards like some years later and said that um
00:26:51
Speaker
because of the cancellation of Rome there's like an actual documentary you can watch if anybody uh is interested well HBO goes into like how they were they saw everything they saw why things failed they saw like how
00:27:07
Speaker
you know to i don't know balancer budgets how they're hiring practices and everything and they figured out like a formula which allowed them to then sword to the heights of like game of thrones i mean you want to talk about a show that cost a lot
00:27:26
Speaker
multiple different filming locations, like actors, travel, all that shit. HBO is probably the only company I know that could have pulled that off. I mean, unless you were to go to Fox and Rupert Murdoch. I feel like nowadays Apple or Amazon can throw that thing. No, but not when HBO started it.
00:27:50
Speaker
Yeah, no, not at all. Yeah, nobody else could. Yeah, no. But yeah, now, I mean, but and also you would have to have the vision too. I mean, you would have to sell the company that you had this vision and that it was going to be awesome. And I guess like some of the credit would have to go to George RR Martin that they had five seasons of outline produced after they presented the first season.
00:28:20
Speaker
And they showed how well they were able to, you know, adapt it from the book that, you know, suddenly got a lot of people hard on this. And they were like, all right, this could really be something special. But I don't want to sidetrack to hardcore. I just want to point out because I criticized you. HBO did actually basically come out and said exactly what you were saying. Like, yes, we're sorry. We know the show is popular, but like, you know,
00:28:48
Speaker
the cost has just gotten cataclysmic and we're not able to do this anymore so we are ending Rome in a very inaccurate and upsettingly horrible way but again they didn't come out and really say this until years later
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, they even offered Game of Thrones guys more time and money. Yeah, we've gone through that. More time like, yo, look, with season eight, we get it. We're asking a lot. You got to compress all these plot lines until one final season. So take your time.
00:29:31
Speaker
with the budgets there yeah and what happened happens still so i guess i think there's a lot of other outside like you know all these other side deals they were making they kind of want to get it done but anyway yeah so the other thing that they uh um that the writers were able to get was mandatory staff requirements which like the ampt was just like no before what does that mean can you define that a little bit
00:30:00
Speaker
So according to the union, the studios must hire at least three writer producers, including the showrunner for guaranteed 10 executive weeks of work during the development of a series, also called a development room. Yeah, so that's why they can't just like, you know, bring somebody in and then like have them write like a rough outline and then like
00:30:21
Speaker
you know, take their product and then like hire some new writers to like, you know, flesh it out or whatever, you know what I mean? So like, there's even more that I became educated about this, like actually, more recently, I did not realize how much like went into a certain young lady who
00:30:40
Speaker
Hopefully we'll be talking to, at some point in the not too distant future, point it out. But that's really big. That is really important. And once the projects are green with it, the minimum writers increases to five once the series reaches seven episodes.
00:31:00
Speaker
So if it's green lit and then it gets to the seventh episode, they can add another writer to the show. Hi, this is Netflix. You're green lit. Yeah, and then teams working on shows with 13 or more episodes will receive another writer. The WGA dubbed this facet of the production as post green lit rooms. So these projects come with at least 20 weeks guaranteed work
00:31:27
Speaker
or the post-green room duration, whichever is shorter.
00:31:31
Speaker
So that's why you'll see like a lot of like series will only be like, oh, it's only gonna be like eight episodes or 10 episodes. It's gonna be like, I mean, they already do that now, but it will be to get around like having to pay for another writer to add onto the show. Yeah, I can kind of understand why all this wasn't in place a few years ago, because like with the pen, I mean, it's just the streaming boom has really changed everything.
00:32:00
Speaker
And with all this shit now, you basically need to have something like that. Without that, it's just like, there's just no point. And to have the same writers on the project the whole time is going to benefit that project so much, you know what I mean? Compared to rotating writers throughout the future. Yeah, exactly. It makes you think that... I know the streaming boom was really crazy.
00:32:29
Speaker
I've lost track of the streaming services. I mean, I made jokes about this like a few years ago, and you're like, it's not that bad. But like now, I mean, it's everybody, like, you know, I mean, like you can open if you have the money, like you could open up a streaming service in your garage. Everybody was like looking at Netflix store in the the big boom, and then they have our own. And now they're like dialing.
00:32:55
Speaker
We all can't make as much as the one streaming service that was making everything. You would think when all these services start coming out, you would hope that one would just think that it would be common sense.
00:33:16
Speaker
to put something like that in place so that you keep and retain the writers to the project, like you just simplified. But somehow, I'll understand how they did not think to do that.
00:33:36
Speaker
like how they thought that like rotation works well in the world of European football. But not... I think it had a lot to do with like the way the pay shows were that they had they didn't have to like they if they paid somebody for one day it would be less than pay and then paying another person for like four or five more days it's gonna cost them less than to pay one person for 10 days you know what I mean or whatever
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, they had like figured that that way around it or whatever. But yeah, this seems like a very good thing for the writers and hopefully a good thing for shows overall.
AI's Role in Writing - Threat or Tool?
00:34:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's it's gonna be a good thing for us. Yeah, it's gonna be a good thing for them. It's gonna be a good thing for everybody because we're gonna get better, more coherent quality content.
00:34:27
Speaker
and you know people are going to pay more to see that the companies are going to make more then the writers get a fair piece and the writers are actually motivated to write and come up with like better content and not just like you know like you know uh what's that line of office space when um Ron Livingston says something like you know uh
00:34:53
Speaker
getting paid this much makes you work only hard enough not to get fired yeah you know something sort of like that because you know you see a lot of like mediocre dead shit like this gives the writers an incentive to really let it rip like you know i mean like and yeah i mean i just
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah. What else? Well, the final sticking point that they had released, I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch of other details that they, you know, haven't talked about. Even if I had all that, I probably wouldn't go into it because it's a lot. Oh, well, yeah. If it's like real, like technical, like, yeah, I'm not saying like in paragraph three of section seven. Yeah, right.
00:35:40
Speaker
The final main thing was AI. Originally, the writers wanted protection in the studios. We were like, no, we'll have an annual meeting to discuss the advancements in technology. This is a clear and present danger now because they have been demonstrating it.
00:36:03
Speaker
And it's been, I think that there's, there's actually, I think there's multiple lawsuits about like people claiming AI and a studio saying, no, we didn't. And then they were saying, yes, you did. I don't know. I'll look more into it and I could talk more about it in a future cast if I can cite the source. But I think that there's have, and I'm pretty sure that people are aware that there has been
00:36:32
Speaker
plagiarism. Yeah, like straight up books that have been like, yeah, that were like under an author's name. He was like, Yeah, that shit. Like, what are you talking? Yeah. Well, what I was talking about was like integration into shows, like, you know, because you can take like, basically, like, of writers, writing style and his ideas, and you can use AI.
00:36:57
Speaker
to basically artificially add on to like where he was going like I don't know how the fuck it's done I mean it seems like AI is actually really getting into the point where like the gross is just like exponential every day like I'm hearing something more about like oh you can do this now you can do this now so for like the writers like this shit was like happening
00:37:25
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So I'm real glad that they got AI protections in there, but it's still not going to be total protection. Well, I can tell you what it is. First, AI cannot write or rewrite any literary material, and AI-generated material cannot be considered source material under this current deal.
00:37:47
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That's what's in the current deal, but like what I was inferring though, they're still going to try to cheat. You would assume, right? Well, the WGA said that this would prevent the material for undermining credits or other rights guaranteed to writers. However, the rules do not bar writers from using AI.
00:38:05
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to help with their work if a company allows it if they follow its policies. The studio cannot require a writer to use AI software. The studios also must inform writers if any of the materials they receive are AI generated or contained AI generated material. Finally, the WGA reserves the right to assert that exploitation of writers material to train AI is prohibited by MBA or any other law.
00:38:32
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Oh, man, this is going to be like steroids and baseball. I think that's a lot of that's a lot of protections, I think. But basically for three years and then they can renegotiate again. So it's basically like the writers were telling the producers, we don't want you guys using AI on our work. And then the producers were also saying to the writers, we don't want you guys being lazy and using AI to generate any work.
00:39:02
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is am I getting that correctly or do I have things like mixed up here it says like they don't borrow the writers from using AI to help with their work so I assume like that is vague as fuck yeah by help I assume like you know you know like more of an editing product project but not necessarily like a you know like write the story for me or whatever but
00:39:36
Speaker
but how would they know if AI can be so randomly generated?
00:39:44
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literally evolving at like an exponential scale where like every week like some new breakthrough has come out like how would you ever really know because they would have to prove that you were using AI to do all that and there would be unless like
00:40:06
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unless they were able to like tap into like all their like the equipment that they were using to was like monitored by the studio or something so that they could say like everything that they were like coming so it
00:40:21
Speaker
I don't know it would have to like record like what they use the AI like it would have to go into like some kind of like external server storage where they were able to walk out like the AI.
00:40:37
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references or citations or the generations whatever algorithm so that they could like have some kind I'm just trying to think like you know out of my ass maybe but like I'm trying to think like how could you actually prove that if it's done cleverly you know what I mean yeah because I feel like right now it's still kind of tell if something was yeah great but right now
00:41:04
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like you said it changes by the day so by the day literally yeah so like ah but it's over man yeah
00:41:16
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so it's finally fucking over seems like they got a lot of good protections so yeah I know on paper I think that they did exceptionally well it just sucks that this shit really could have been done in less than 30 days if everybody was just acting like adults and um
00:41:36
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You know, but I'm not blaming the writers for any of that. That is solely on the hands of the companies. Like this was Burmass. Let's hope that the actors get like their AI protections as well if they don't get anything. I mean, if they don't get nearly as much as they want it, I think that's going to be the main thing is those AI protections.
00:42:02
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are a big sticker point. The actors also had recently said that they were gonna go on strike against video game companies if they didn't come to- I did hear something about that too, but they've been saying that for a while now. Well, they have to the end of the month before that.
00:42:35
Speaker
so far hasn't but I mean hey with everybody's going on strike right now so you know if you're gonna go on strike I guess this is the time to go on strike like you know for me while the iron's hot like you know
00:42:42
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before that strike would go through so
00:42:51
Speaker
Like CD Projekt, the Polish game developers. There's been a bunch of layoffs, like 9% of the CD Projekt Redstaff. Yeah, well, deservingly so. I mean, they fucked themselves up. Like, they did a terrible job. I mean, that whole mess with releasing games that weren't finished, that weren't even playable. Is that the developer's fault? Or is that the...
00:43:20
Speaker
that was widely taken as the company's fault yeah exactly so i'm saying the uh the sense they laid off they will never be trusted again like they are they are despised and yeah and a lot of the hatred is probably misplaced
00:43:37
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But like, I mean, yeah, the company, I mean, it was definitely the company's fault, like 100%. Yeah, well, I'm just saying the point I'm trying to make is that because of the layoffs that the game developers decided to form a union. So they're the Polish Game Dev Workers Union.
00:43:58
Speaker
Oh, that's piss. It said this event created this event created a tremendous amount of stress and insecurity affecting our mental health and leading to the creation of the union in response.
Video Game Industry Insights and Parallels
00:44:10
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Yeah, I bet it did affect their fucking mental health, man. People were pissed the fuck off of cyberpunk. I have a buddy who still has not gotten over that. Oh, man. They released the new update plus the plus the DLC. And now it's like the game that it should have been when it when it came out. Oh, is it? It's it's sold more and made more money than The Witcher 3. So.
00:44:39
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No shit. How about that? I mean, it took them three years to turn it around, but they finally have. Well, I mean, some people have said that through, like, on the PC platform, like, in the Nexus mods, like, a lot of, like, modders had, like,
00:44:57
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A lot of the gripe was from console users. But like, hey, it was bad on all platforms. But like, at least on PC, you had like some ways to remedy it. On console, you know, you're just like fucked with whatever you get. I would say it was bad up until like early this spring when they finally put out a big update. And then it got like good. And now it's like just gotten like they've kind of like
00:45:26
Speaker
perfected it.
00:45:40
Speaker
I well that's a whole nother title I mean it kinda leads us into a topic but like I love that company you know I thought that they were one of the best developers out there but like at this point though there's always going to be skepticism about them like they will have to rebound and come back like with several more games before anybody completely trust them again they're like
00:46:09
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I'm really like a lot of hate is probably misplaced because people feel like that the developers are the ones that like just push this out but like they have bosses that had them on a timetable and said you know we need our shit when you know we say and like they'll be like well it's not done and developers will be like
00:46:37
Speaker
put it out there, we'll fix it with patches. This is stuff you can't do with, you can't do that with television. You can do that sort of with games, but this has been a thing that they've been doing with games for a while now, releasing them early before they're done and then trying to fix them on the fly. It just doesn't work.
00:47:02
Speaker
but at least at least with video games you can eventually fix them unlike movies that get rushed and put out too early you can't really fix that yeah you can't go back in i mean unless you're like steve well i mean according to steven spielberg and uh george lucas you can you can like go back and add in all that shit like years later like when he was like
00:47:29
Speaker
Well, you know, when I first, you know, my vision for the movie when I was making it was something totally different, man. And like all that crazy, like, you know, that's basically the modders. Like he came in and modded his shit years later. Or Zack Snyder with Justice League that gave him more money to go finish that movie.
Positive Outcomes and Future Speculations
00:47:51
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So yeah. So yeah, I guess if you were to look at like the video game equivalent to what we're talking about,
00:47:58
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that's about as close as I could say it would be like George Lucas like going in there and putting in the CGI edit crap like modding his old shit like but anyway yeah but yeah that's about it with the writer's strike do you have any final words there any words of wisdom anything you wish
00:48:22
Speaker
that the writers maybe should have also gotten or do you think that everything has come to like a pretty amicable outcome? It seems pretty good from what I've read that at least they what they've released again like they didn't release every single detail and I probably wouldn't go through it anyway but I mean it seems like they're happy
00:48:44
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So then I'm happy. That's like, so everybody seems happy. I guess the only thing I would say is let's see what happens one year from now. I want to see, you know, if everybody, you know, because like.
00:49:03
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like you said you know they haven't put well obviously not everything's going to be put out like you know there's going to be some things that are going to be uh private but like at the rate things are going i'm just i'm interested to see where we're going to be a year from now
00:49:19
Speaker
And I hope we're going to be in a great place. I hope this is going to, you know, still everybody's going to be working and happy and everything's going to be good. But I just, I don't know, I have like, I have some like real skepticism about like the future. I don't know. I still feel like the next like six months to a year is still going to be shit that they, you know, had to stop production on and production.
00:49:49
Speaker
So like some stuff that was supposed to come up this year, we're not gonna get till next year So it might almost be two years before we really start to see the effects I think yeah, and I think yeah when we start to see the effects how much is it going to change like the whole dynamic of like a show that like, you know was between seasons or a show that was like
00:50:13
Speaker
About to finish a season or something like that when the strike went on and there was just like nothing or maybe like new writers had to come in or Who's to say there's a lot of like heady stuff that might have been in the production pipe that we may not even ever say Yeah, yeah, I think they did have canceling some things. Yeah, so I mean, you know who knows but anyway That's all I got
Upcoming Horror Releases Overview
00:50:39
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Yeah, that's all I have. Do we have a little bit of time to go through what's coming out on this Friday? Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th. There's a couple new things that I know you're excited for. For starters, Mike Flanagan's final series for Netflix, The Fall of the House of Usher. The Fall of the House of... Wait, that's the...
00:51:09
Speaker
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now is that is that going to be a that's not that's a that's not a series though yes eight episode limited series based on the works of Edgar Allen Poe and it's about like you know no
00:51:33
Speaker
now is it going to be a full length season or is it only going to be like a miniseries where it's like just a few episodes eight episodes oh wow i did not know that yes i just told you yeah you did just told me i know i thought for some reason i thought it was a film yeah no i forget what next uh film he had coming up i don't have that on hand but you know this
00:52:00
Speaker
This is his last series for Netflix. Hell House and Bly Manor and now he's topping it off with this. And Midnight Mass. And Midnight Mass, yes. So yeah, this is his last one before he is deal with Amazon, I think it was. And this is just about the... See, it's going to kind of haunt you in your mind though, is like...
00:52:27
Speaker
Is this shit going to have gotten diluted because of the writer's strike? Is there going to be like a... This was filmed. This was filmed. This was finished. So there will be no impact from anything. No, yeah. So this is going to be okay. I think by the time the actor's strike came on, they were already done and they were in post-production.
00:52:50
Speaker
so this is coming out the time it was naturally supposed to anyway yeah there was no old up or anything like that this is just like natural progression October release yeah I just didn't how the fuck did I not know it was an eight episode series I thought it was a film
00:53:09
Speaker
I thought his next project was a film. Maybe his next maybe his next project. Maybe I don't know. I thought I thought it was I thought it was supposed to be. I thought he was doing a movie or something. They're like like a two part thing or something like that. I did not know it was eight episodes, but that's awesome. I'm even more stoked now. Yeah. And then coming to Hulu, actually, that that fall house usher is on comes out Thursday, the 12th. So
00:53:39
Speaker
but then on Hulu there's a original documentary series on the inside, America's Most Extreme Haunted House. It says in its original documentary about the Mikami Manor but I'm pretty sure I've seen another documentary about it because I definitely have seen interviews with this guy and seen some behind the scenes about it. It's pretty much like
00:54:02
Speaker
legalized torture, like, like, because they're like, like the hostile things that happened in Slovakia, where you can like pay to go and like torture someone of like, like a certain descent, like American or German or Irish or like something like that. Yeah, yeah, very much you like go in but no, you're going and you pay like this haunted house to torture you or whatever.
00:54:29
Speaker
Oh, so it's like a bondage and submission type thing? Uh, not quite. Wait, you go and pay the house? Yeah. Like you go to pay like a haunted house, but instead of like, you know, you give the money like directly to the house. Like you just put it down and be like, all right, I'm going to go disrobe. Please let me have it.
00:54:55
Speaker
it's like
00:55:14
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It's a haunted house, but instead of wanting to walk through and nobody's gonna touch you, they can not only touch you, but they can restrain you and shit like that. Oh, but it's not like cutting your eye out or flaying your flesh or something, like skinning you alive.
00:55:34
Speaker
Like you don't they don't torture you they just can like get a little physical Maybe slap you around a little bit like that. It's not like pulling out teeth and shit No, but there's probably some waterboarding and shit involved. I don't know you'll have to find out We're all gonna have to find out
00:56:00
Speaker
You said pay the house. Pay the house. What else? Creepshow is back in season four on AMC Plus and Shutter with six episodes. I've liked what I've seen for the most part of that series. I just caught that scene where Ted Danson was
00:56:26
Speaker
which I don't know what you call it, but when you film up to his neck in the sand and you let the tide roll in, you know, that scene, I think it was Creepshow too. I think, yeah, I had just caught that scene the other day and I was like, oh, Ted Danson. Yeah, I've been enjoying the TV series for the most part. I'll check out the six new episodes of this. And then,
00:56:54
Speaker
Well let's see what else do we have? Is there any actual Friday the 13th news on Friday the 13th? I know there's talks a Blumhouse wants to do.
00:57:05
Speaker
Friday 13th movie, but it's just like them. Yeah, but it's just yeah So no news is good news for the TV series then so far if they're still working on that I mean get back to writing it now. Yeah true true that true There's a brand new goosebumps TV series coming out on Disney Plus and Hulu that that'll be on Friday Justin your boy Justin Long's in it and
00:57:32
Speaker
Oh, just along. Yeah. He is my man. I'd like to talk to him about a lot of things. Yeah. Do you think he'll make it through? Because he tends to get pretty fucked up or murdered. If it's up to him, he's not living through that.
00:57:52
Speaker
You know it depends on like you know how much like creative liberty he was given like yeah He was allowed to like you know have a say in the writing of his character. He's definitely dead
00:58:08
Speaker
or turned into a walrus or something again yeah yeah yeah he's he's not yeah if he lives it's gonna be badly yeah if he lives by the end of it he's definitely gone through some torture throughout the show and he's not the same person he is by the end of it yeah yeah
00:58:26
Speaker
Yeah, if you haven't seen it this Friday at 13, check out Tusk. Maybe you will be extremely disciplined. I was not. Or Barbarian, the last movie he was in or... Yeah, pretty much any horror movie he's been in. He does not... Yeah, he likes to go out badly. Yeah. Then...
00:59:15
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exclusively to Screenbox. So I guess it's like two siblings discover a mysterious package on their porch and are taken on a wild channel surfing journey through a world of television mayhem. So I guess that's like kind of the wraparound, kind of like the Cryptkeeper part of it. It's like, oh, this is some like show or movies from another dimension. And then like, you know, they show you whatever the short. Yeah. Yeah, that could be interesting.
00:59:20
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there is one more, right?
00:59:45
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Uh, I, I watched the VHS 85 that came out recently on, uh, shutter. I was, I was just thinking about the VHS. Well, the more re well, not very recent, but like, I guess when was that? Like, was that like 2012 was the, uh, the VHS, uh, the one with the vampire check that I liked you.
01:00:12
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Yeah, it was either first second one. I thought the I thought I looked kind of like some actually I like some of them in each one. There was only like maybe two that I thought were decent and there's an 85. I haven't seen 94 yet. But yeah, I thought 85 was kind of weak like so but
01:00:30
Speaker
I like the one I saw. I don't know which one that was. I didn't realize that there were multiples. Yeah, I think there's like four or five now. Yeah, I like the one I saw. I actually met someone that was in that movie, but I don't think she actually had any dialogue. I think she was just like a background character.
01:00:55
Speaker
i can't remember but yeah like they were just i think they were like an add-in or something for it but anyway um the uh last thing i have is there is a uh a new peacock series from john carpenter called uh john carpenter suburban screams that also comes out on friday it's an unscripted series that features an episode directed by carpenter himself
01:01:22
Speaker
Wait, he hasn't done something like that before. I feel like I've heard the suburban screams before. Maybe it was just something very similar. I feel like there's already been something called that before. Well, this series explores the dark and secrets and unspeakable evil that sometimes lurks beneath the surface of the sun-drenched streets, manicured lawns, and friendly neighborhoods in suburbia.
01:01:50
Speaker
Each episode focuses on one true tale of horror told by the real people who lived through it. I'm sorry. I was thinking of suburban science. Sorry. I'm sorry to cut you off. Their first-hand accounts are brought to life through premium cinematic scene work, news clips, home photos, and archival footage, combining the visual language of horror films with the tools and techniques of documentaries, creating a uniquely frightening experience for viewers. Sounds like VHS.
Nostalgia and Personal Horror Experiences
01:02:20
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds more like Unsolved Mysteries or something like that. What's more like VHS?
01:02:28
Speaker
No. Sounds to me like VHS. VHS was all fake. You know, nothing was like, hey, these are based on true stories at all. You know what I mean? Well, we found this tape and these are you sure that they were. But this is more like, hey, these are real people telling their story and then we're just doing reenactments. But then it's also mixed in with like real archival footage and other things. So
01:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, I would say it's close to like, I mean, again, I haven't really watched, I haven't seen it yet because it's out on Friday. But yeah, it sounds more like an Unsolved Mysteries or something like that. But yeah, there's six episodes in the series and he directed one of them. And all of these come out on Friday the 13th.
01:03:20
Speaker
Yeah, all the things I just listed, they all come out either Thursday night or Friday the 13th. Sick. Well, yeah, that'll give... Yeah, that's definitely giving me something to do on Friday. Usually on Friday the 13th, I watch Friday the 13th.
01:03:35
Speaker
but maybe this year I'll do something different. I usually rotate through like a different random episode but we always for some reason seem to watch Friday the 13th part 5 on Friday the 13th which is kind of weird because
01:03:52
Speaker
it's the only one where Jason technically isn't in the movie so it's sort of like but I mean I gotta say I thought part five was one of the best one I mean you don't know it's not Jason until the very end
01:04:08
Speaker
You know what I mean, and I mean he acts like Jason I mean that dude he Really puts the Jason and Jason like when Jason comes back like you know I mean like he was just like you know I he had a lot to live up to because that dude was ripping shit in this place I thought Friday 13th part 5 was great a new beginning
01:04:30
Speaker
It was fucking good. But yeah, technically it's not Jason doing the killing. But you don't know until like the last like five minutes of the movie. Yeah, I mean, my favorites are probably Jason lives in final chapter of that.
01:04:45
Speaker
but Jason lives is what I will file chapters my favorite but like you know Jason lives is like Jason came back and like he was just like him fucking that's why I mean he had to like live up to what I mean I don't know like the
01:05:00
Speaker
The first Friday the 13th I actually ever saw was I got snuck into it. I believe it came out on Halloween. I was only like, I don't even think I was 10 years old. I went to see Friday the 13th part 7.
01:05:21
Speaker
in theaters on Halloween I got snuck into it and it was with like this friend's family and his parents were like not good parents yeah it was one where the check has like the mental
01:05:36
Speaker
I saw it in theaters, I'm pretty sure it was opening night, and I believe it was Halloween. I'm almost certain it was opening night, and I believe it was on Halloween. I could be wrong about opening night or Halloween, but I definitely saw it. It scared the fucking shit out of me.
01:06:01
Speaker
Um, yeah, I was not ready for it. But like, I was lucky because like, you know, I had a friend who had really bad parents that were like addicted to drugs and shit like that. And they would just like bring their kids into our rated horror movies. Like, you know, so yeah, I mean, it worked for me. I just was like, wow, your parents are really fucking weird. Why are they acting like that? Like, oh, yeah, my dad's on cocaine.
01:06:30
Speaker
it's normal anyway but uh yeah that's that's everything yeah it was the 80s man it was the eight i think he came out in like 87 to 88 you know yeah his father was just a man at the times he's dead now anyway well thank you for joining us it's been a hoot and um we will be back very soon and uh we're going to be talking about some witcher right we're gonna we got some witcher from and then we'll have oh yeah there's a
01:06:59
Speaker
Yeah, we have a whole fucking plethora of pinatas and shit coming at you. So it was good to see you again, buddy. It's been a while and, uh, you know, everybody keep it, uh, you know, keep it fucking going. All right. All right. Later on.