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S2 Ep32: Third Party Apps We Love
35 Plays8 months ago
Heather and Veronica discuss the news of the week and then dive into third party apps they love, discussing specifically stock photo sites, and photo editing software. Find a new to you option! They also discuss their love of Bookfunnel - not a sponsored post (but would love to be!).
A podcast from 1852 Media.
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Transcript
Introductions and Weekly Recap
00:00:09
1852media
Hello and welcome to For Book's Sake. I am Heather Roberts.
00:00:12
Veronica Adams
I am Veronica Adams, and we are at least part of 1852 Media.
00:00:17
1852media
Sorry. And we're having a good week this week today.
00:00:22
Veronica Adams
We are.
A Mistake and Apology
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1852media
Yeah.
00:00:23
Veronica Adams
It's still kind of struggling, but not like last week. My goodness.
00:00:28
1852media
No, lots last week we were on the struggle bus.
00:00:31
Veronica Adams
Whoo!
00:00:32
1852media
Fast couple of weeks really, but yeah, yeah.
00:00:33
Veronica Adams
I've been wading through concrete last week, honestly.
00:00:37
1852media
I did make one mistake this week that put Veronica in a bind because my brain died on Monday.
00:00:42
Veronica Adams
Oh my God, you're so funny. This was more of a minor inconvenience than a huge mistake, but it's it's a testament to where Heather's brain has been for sure.
00:00:52
1852media
Oh my God. i i did it I made an error and I caused Veronica more work and I felt terrible about it. So here I am. I literally called her the second that I realized what I did.
00:01:04
Veronica Adams
She
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1852media
and Because I was like, I can't put this in an email or a message or something. I need to actually apologize in real time. um And she's just like, yeah, don't worry about it. like It's annoying, but you know like you're fine.
00:01:16
Veronica Adams
Shit happens.
00:01:18
1852media
um
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Veronica Adams
Oh, of all, of all the things to have to redo, it was a very minor, like, it took me, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes.
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1852media
but
00:01:24
Veronica Adams
No big deal.
00:01:24
1852media
Yeah. Well, I am publicly apologizing.
00:01:26
Veronica Adams
It's just really funny. Oh, you're sweet.
00:01:31
1852media
ah But other than that, this week has been good. I got all caught up on everything and I let my brain rest after that complete fart it experienced.
00:01:33
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yep.
00:01:41
Veronica Adams
I mean, in your defense, you tried to take a week off last week and say you came back to like a ton of work and the mental strain of two weeks of work sitting in your inbox, right?
00:01:41
1852media
Swear.
00:01:44
1852media
I did.
00:01:50
Veronica Adams
Like last week's work that you didn't do and this week's work that you're facing.
00:01:51
1852media
Yeah.
00:01:54
1852media
Right.
00:01:54
Veronica Adams
I mean, it's no wonder your brain was scrambled eggs and mush and ready for a break so quickly.
00:01:59
1852media
It just, it just turned off.
00:02:01
Veronica Adams
Yeah, absolutely.
00:02:02
1852media
Yeah. But yeah, so other than that, we're doing well and hopefully you had a good week too.
00:02:04
Veronica Adams
So.
00:02:07
Veronica Adams
Yes. Yes, hopefully.
TikTok Controversy: Scamming Accusations
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1852media
I did see a little bit of drama but this past week, so on on TikTok.
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Veronica Adams
Okay.
00:02:16
Veronica Adams
Let's unpack it.
00:02:17
1852media
So there's a reader, well, a person, a creator, see, brain, engage.
00:02:23
Veronica Adams
Yes. Content creator on the Tiktokies.
00:02:25
1852media
um There's a, yes.
00:02:27
Veronica Adams
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:02:28
1852media
Her name is Callie is reading and she's in some hot water because she is alleged to have scammed several authors out of promotions.
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Veronica Adams
Okay.
00:02:39
Veronica Adams
No.
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1852media
um Yeah, paid promotions like they're paying her $600 for you know a video or multiple videos or whatever.
00:02:47
Veronica Adams
unboxing or reviews or teaser videos or something.
00:02:49
1852media
her Yeah. And then she's not coming through with it. And then she's using her mother's death or sickness or something. It obviously varied as a you know excuse.
00:03:01
Veronica Adams
So the same old author scam has now moved to TikTok is what you're telling me because I have like newsletters, back in the day blog tours, um review promotions, book signing events.
00:03:04
1852media
Yes.
00:03:10
1852media
Yeah.
00:03:14
Veronica Adams
It's a tale as old as time.
00:03:15
1852media
Yes.
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Veronica Adams
I have something to offer you. I'm going to make you visible or help you find new readers and make money and grow your brand. Give me the cash and then I don't deliver.
00:03:24
1852media
Yep.
Avoiding Scams: Business Partner Vetting
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Veronica Adams
Oh.
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1852media
And she did some multiple authors and she also, this is not the first time that she has been in hot water because she is the same person. I don't know if you remember, but a while ago she was in some hot water because she was doing like book fairy mail and then opening them.
00:03:43
1852media
So like people were buying books for her off of her wish list and those books were being delivered to her.
00:03:46
Veronica Adams
yeah
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1852media
And then she would be opening them you know and on videos. And it came out that like she didn't actually read any of the books. she didn't really And she like even like said like she didn't want certain books.
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1852media
And people are like, why are you doing a wish list? like People are purchasing these books with real money, like their own money, to get to be nice.
00:04:10
Veronica Adams
Yeah. To gather dust in a pile or on a shelf.
00:04:15
1852media
Yeah, or maybe she was reselling. I don't know what she was doing with them, but she was not using them.
00:04:18
Veronica Adams
Oh, maybe.
00:04:20
1852media
She was not reading them. She was not. And she like stopped opening. I don't know.
00:04:25
Veronica Adams
That's just wild.
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1852media
But yeah, and people are like, I thought that that was a weird thing to scam people out of.
00:04:32
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
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1852media
Because I'm like, what are you doing with them? Are you reselling them? Like, what what is the point of this other than to just make people
00:04:35
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Right.
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1852media
give you things for free, but if you don't want the free thing, I don't understand what the point is.
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Veronica Adams
Why put something on a wish list if you're not going to read it, if you don't actually want it? Like, is it just because it's trendy?
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1852media
Yeah.
00:04:51
Veronica Adams
Like.
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1852media
Yeah, I guess she had another TikTok account before she came into the book space and did other similar style, sketchtastic things.
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Veronica Adams
Oh, Lord.
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Veronica Adams
Listen, that scammer is going to scam like that's just all there is to it.
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1852media
um Yeah. Yeah, grifters gonna grift.
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Veronica Adams
That's right.
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1852media
Yep.
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Veronica Adams
That's right.
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1852media
So people be very, very careful who you work with.
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Veronica Adams
Yes, yes.
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1852media
Vet them, ask them who they've worked with before.
00:05:18
Veronica Adams
Verify their credentials, get ah get a reference from someone they've partnered with in the past who's actually pleased with their work, like, you know.
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1852media
Get a name. Yeah.
00:05:25
1852media
Correct. Like, oh my God, that is so crucial, so crucial.
00:05:29
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:05:30
1852media
Anybody that you are giving money to, talk to somebody who's worked with them and find out you know what they thought of the services or who's currently working with thing working with them or whatever, whatever.
00:05:38
Veronica Adams
Yep. Absolutely.
00:05:43
1852media
Find out, read reviews if they have them available online. A lot of places don't, um you know but it finds any place of business should be more than happy to give you you know three to five references.
00:05:48
Veronica Adams
yeah True. True.
00:05:56
Veronica Adams
Yep. Well, and also be careful about how you pay people too. Don't, don't put yourself in a position not to claw back your money.
00:06:00
1852media
Oh my God, yeah.
00:06:03
Veronica Adams
Like if you can put it on a credit card, your credit card's probably your best friend in this situation. And you know, if you're going to do the PayPal, don't do friends and family, like yep.
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1852media
Yeah.
00:06:12
1852media
Same with the Venmo. why are you I will die on this hill. If you have a legitimate business, you should not be accepting Venmo, unless it's Venmo business.
00:06:25
1852media
You should not be accepting the friends and family PayPal option.
00:06:25
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:06:28
Veronica Adams
yep
00:06:29
1852media
i There are fees associated with running a business and credit card fees and all of that, that is part of running the business.
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Veronica Adams
Yep.
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Veronica Adams
Absolutely.
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1852media
You get to write that off at the end of the year. Do I love that I have to pay different percentages? No, don't love it, but it's part of doing business and you work that into your actual fee that you're charging, okay?
00:06:51
Veronica Adams
That's right. Take it into consideration when you set the price for the service or the the content or the work or the product that you're offering.
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1852media
you
00:06:57
1852media
Right. And you need to be able to provide your customers a secure way of payment.
00:07:03
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:07:04
1852media
And that's trustworthy. That doesn't make you look like a scammer. Right.
00:07:09
1852media
And it also, frankly, it makes you look like you're not a legitimate business because a legitimate business should be paying or should be invoicing somebody and getting payment that way.
00:07:09
Veronica Adams
100%.
00:07:10
Veronica Adams
That's true.
00:07:23
Veronica Adams
Yes. Yes.
00:07:24
1852media
That's how you should be running your businesses.
00:07:24
Veronica Adams
Following all of the basic rules of commerce, like not trying to, uh, and run around the costs of doing business.
00:07:27
1852media
Right.
00:07:32
1852media
Yeah.
00:07:35
1852media
Like, and there are many different ways that you can collect fees, right?
00:07:39
Veronica Adams
Sure.
00:07:40
1852media
Like, so you can go and shop around to different payment processors and decide which one you want to use.
00:07:44
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:07:47
Veronica Adams
Absolutely.
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1852media
Um, so like, don't just understand and work it into your original fee, whatever that is, and just understand that that's the cost of doing business. If you want to make this a business, make it an actual business.
00:08:01
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:08:02
1852media
You know, do the thing because the IRS isn't going to look at you any differently.
00:08:03
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:08:06
1852media
It's a business.
00:08:07
Veronica Adams
That is for sure. That is absolutely for sure.
00:08:09
1852media
So you want to pretend you're not, you know, running a business you are and the IRS is going to say that you are so.
00:08:15
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yeah. But there are some state and federal authorities who may have problems with some of the shady shit you're doing.
00:08:25
Veronica Adams
So you want to steer clear of them.
00:08:25
1852media
Correct. Correct. Yeah. And honestly, it's not great to be using and like, I mean, it's also against PayPal's terms of service for certain things to accept friends and family for, for business transactions.
00:08:38
Veronica Adams
Right. Yes.
00:08:40
1852media
So you can actually have your entire PayPal account terminated if somebody complains.
00:08:44
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:08:45
1852media
So you, you don't want that in your life that takes out if you're, if that's your main invoicing, which don't tell anyone to use it. um Don't let that be your main invoicing.
00:08:56
1852media
This is my personal ah negative review of that invoicing platform.
00:08:56
Veronica Adams
For real.
00:09:02
1852media
um It's good for certain things, not for main invoicing for a business.
00:09:05
Veronica Adams
Well, I mean, in full disclosure, at one time, 1852 Media, in its previous incarnation, did use it, but like...
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1852media
Yeah.
00:09:12
1852media
Yeah. i There's a reason I stopped using it.
00:09:16
Veronica Adams
Yeah, there is.
00:09:17
1852media
a so there'
00:09:18
Veronica Adams
We don't need to go into that in this episode, but like, there is a reason you stopped using it, for sure.
00:09:23
1852media
Yeah. But so, I mean, just because they're using PayPal for invoicing does not immediately say that they're a scammer.
00:09:29
Veronica Adams
Yeah, of course not.
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1852media
No, I'm talking about the asking somebody to, you know, you get the message. Oh, can you PayPal friends and family me that, you know, like say no, say no.
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Veronica Adams
Right, right.
00:09:41
Veronica Adams
Or adding adding on fees without disclosing them, you know, things like that.
00:09:44
1852media
Right.
00:09:45
Veronica Adams
Yeah, for sure.
00:09:46
1852media
Yeah. So, and I know a lot of people are trying to work around the fees. I get it. Cost of doing business is expensive.
00:09:52
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:09:53
1852media
That is working into your fees. It is how it is what it is. so But yeah, so Cali is reading. Not to be confused with other Calis on TikTok because I've seen other Calis having to make videos saying like, I am not that one.
00:10:07
Veronica Adams
It's not me. I'm not the one.
00:10:08
1852media
It's not mine, which I feel yeah, because there was a Heather Roberts that was scamming people at one point um ah for like PR stuff. I actually got banned from a group I was in.
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1852media
um Oh, yeah.
00:10:20
Veronica Adams
Stop.
00:10:22
1852media
um I'm not gonna say which one because I don't think it was malicious and I never did anything about it because I was like, whatever. um But yeah, I got banned from a group because I shared the same name of ah of a person who was being scammy.
00:10:29
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:10:36
1852media
And I was like very frustrated about it for when that was obviously going on. So I completely empathize with those who are, yeah, those other Callies on TikTok.
00:10:44
Veronica Adams
Yeah, this is why we can't have nice things.
00:10:50
1852media
This one is Callie is reading was her official name.
00:10:51
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:10:53
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
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1852media
And I'm sure you can go on and and find it. but
00:10:57
Veronica Adams
If it's still her name now.
00:10:58
1852media
ah Yeah, right, exactly. there's There's a lot more to that particular nut, but i'm I'm not cracking it all the way open.
00:11:09
Veronica Adams
Yeah, yeah.
00:11:09
1852media
Just enough that you have a taste, so you can go and check it out yourself. But me yeah, my main point in sharing this is be careful into who you send your money to.
00:11:13
Veronica Adams
Just be careful.
00:11:19
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:11:20
1852media
so For sure, for sure.
00:11:20
Veronica Adams
And then make sure that you have a way to get it back if you need to.
Third-Party Apps for Business
00:11:25
1852media
And then speaking of doing business, we wanted to talk about some third party apps today that we find beneficial that you might as well.
00:11:29
Veronica Adams
Yes. yeah Yes. Yes. Our top tier support team, the the stuff we use, the stuff you can use, things that come highly recommended.
00:11:42
1852media
Yeah. And we've talked about this in different iterations before, but I think it's always good to, to, you know, come back around and
Graphic Design Tools Comparison
00:11:49
1852media
talk about these third party apps.
00:11:49
Veronica Adams
Yeah, for sure.
00:11:51
1852media
So everyone loves Canva, but here's the thing.
00:11:54
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:11:56
1852media
I just got a notice from them that their price is increasing exponentially, like, like a fuck ton.
00:12:02
Veronica Adams
What, what?
00:12:05
1852media
And I don't use Canva enough to necessarily warrant that.
00:12:09
1852media
I mean, I might end up, I might end up paying it at least for the first year, but for the business, but I don't know. It's like, it's a significant and it's like a hundred dollar a year increase.
00:12:09
Veronica Adams
That's what I have.
00:12:20
1852media
Like from what I read is not cheap.
00:12:23
Veronica Adams
They gotta, they gotta pay for that AI somehow.
00:12:26
1852media
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, just a little wild. I use them for pitch decks. I use them for some video stuff.
00:12:31
Veronica Adams
Yes. Yeah, I use, yeah, I make a lot of video ads.
00:12:33
1852media
I don't use them.
00:12:36
Veronica Adams
That's basically all I do in Canva, honestly, is the video ads for our clients, but yeah.
00:12:38
1852media
Yeah, I don't like their photo editor, their photo creation thing.
00:12:44
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:12:45
1852media
I don't like it.
00:12:45
Veronica Adams
Uh-huh.
00:12:47
1852media
It's just me. I think it's just me.
00:12:48
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:12:49
1852media
Could be YouTube, Veronica, but I don't.
00:12:51
Veronica Adams
I mean, I'm not crazy about it, I'll be honest. But in in Canvas Defense, you and I have been using another program for so long that like that' that that's how my brain housing group works now, is like this the the system of the other program that we use.
00:12:53
1852media
I love it.
00:13:02
1852media
Yeah, yeah.
00:13:07
Veronica Adams
like that's you know It's just so much faster because it's what I know.
00:13:08
1852media
Yeah.
00:13:12
1852media
I think so. It also provides you with different capabilities to do faster.
00:13:16
Veronica Adams
Yes. Yes.
00:13:17
1852media
Like the things that I want to do, I can do them so much faster. And we're talking about PicMonkey. I don't know if any, I don't know if a lot of people know about PicMonkey.
00:13:22
Veronica Adams
Yes, we are.
00:13:25
1852media
So
00:13:26
Veronica Adams
It's crazy. I will see people like threads on different social media platforms, authors and author support personnel talking about like, you know, what do you use for photo editing? What do you use for graphic making?
00:13:37
Veronica Adams
Like, I don't know anything about Photoshop. How do I, you know, should I do bookbrush or Canva?
00:13:41
1852media
Yeah.
00:13:43
Veronica Adams
And I'm like, I mean, bookbrush is great and so is Canva, but like, hello, check out PicMonkey. And I think you're right.
00:13:48
1852media
yeah
00:13:48
Veronica Adams
I don't think a lot of people know about it.
00:13:50
1852media
ah People don't talk about it. They partner with Shutterstock, so they have their own you know their own stock imagery that you are free to use commercially as well, not just personal use.
00:13:53
Veronica Adams
That they did. Yep. Yes.
00:14:01
1852media
and it's I've used them for a variety of things for that, just depending what it is.
00:14:06
Veronica Adams
Sure.
00:14:08
1852media
but I love PicMonkey.
00:14:12
Veronica Adams
Me too.
00:14:12
1852media
I think it's because if you are one that likes to do things in Photoshop um or would want to use Photoshop but don't want to use Photoshop, PicMonkey is the happy medium between Canva and Photoshop.
00:14:16
Veronica Adams
Uh-huh.
00:14:25
Veronica Adams
It is. It is.
00:14:27
1852media
It provides more capabilities for editing than Canva does for photo editing manipulation.
00:14:27
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:14:33
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:14:36
1852media
um It doesn't have all of the like moderny, you know, bells and whistles the Canva has.
00:14:38
Veronica Adams
i
00:14:44
Veronica Adams
that there are a lot of design elements and things to like stylized items that Canva offers that PicMonkey doesn't have, that's for sure.
00:14:47
1852media
Yeah.
00:14:53
Veronica Adams
But like in terms of actual editing, PicMonkey has way more functionality.
00:14:53
1852media
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:59
1852media
creating an image from scratch, and a graphic from scratch, so much easier to do in PicMonkey than it is in Canva.
00:15:01
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:15:06
Veronica Adams
Yep, for sure.
00:15:07
1852media
It just is, at least for me. um So I don't know, removing backgrounds, significantly easier in PicMonkey than in Canva.
00:15:17
Veronica Adams
I don't think I've even fully figured it out in Canva yet if I'm gonna be completely honest.
00:15:19
1852media
Oh my God. Can canvas really annoying to remove a background and that they just like came up with that capability. Like somewhat recently it was not, you know, but like I said, I mean canvas great for video editing, pick monkey, not great for video editing.
00:15:28
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:15:33
1852media
They have an option for video stuff, but it's not, it's not great for video editing.
00:15:36
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:15:40
Veronica Adams
Canada has a lot more templates too though. If you're like looking to, if if you need someone else to inspire you or give you an idea, a jumping off point, like Canada is definitely better for that.
00:15:42
1852media
Yeah.
00:15:48
1852media
Mm-hmm.
00:15:51
Veronica Adams
But like, if you know what you want to do, ah you just have so much more functionality and pick look in my opinion.
00:15:53
1852media
Yeah.
00:15:56
1852media
Yeah. So, I mean, if you were looking for something different and you don't like Canva for some of the reasons that we said, and you're looking for something else, definitely go to PicMonkey.
00:16:07
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:16:07
1852media
It's reasonably priced.
00:16:08
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:16:09
1852media
I think it's like I have the highest tier subscription and it's like a hundred dollars a year or something like that.
00:16:14
1852media
And which is, yeah, barely anything.
00:16:14
Veronica Adams
It's nothing.
00:16:17
Veronica Adams
It's negligible. Yeah.
00:16:18
1852media
And um you know it's great. and No issues whatsoever.
00:16:22
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:16:24
1852media
It's functional. You can put things in folders, just the same.
00:16:28
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:16:30
1852media
you know You can search for things and find it. I really like it. I like it a lot.
00:16:36
Veronica Adams
Yeah, for sure.
00:16:37
1852media
They've increased the resolution size that you can do as well, which I love.
00:16:37
Veronica Adams
Now.
00:16:40
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:16:41
1852media
I appreciate that.
00:16:42
Veronica Adams
Yes. i i I used to have to use Photoshop to make print-ready graphics, print-worthy graphics for people, and now you can do a lot of that in PicMonkey because of the resolution increase, for sure.
00:16:42
1852media
Thank you, PicMonkey.
00:16:51
1852media
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:53
Veronica Adams
And, you know, that's not to say that you can't go out and use, like, I mentioned Book Brush earlier, right? Like, if you're just looking to do, like, mock-ups for your books, you just want to throw some graphics on social or whatever,
00:17:02
1852media
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:04
Veronica Adams
Bookbrush is a really great option for that because you just upload your cover image file and it will auto populate your options for like an iPad or a Kindle or a paperback or hardcover.
00:17:13
1852media
Right. And put them immediately on graphics too, like, yeah.
00:17:16
Veronica Adams
Yes, yes, it's very it's very easy and intuitive in terms of learning how to use it to make really basic graphics but
00:17:24
1852media
Yeah.
00:17:25
Veronica Adams
for a more mid-level photo editor that's not Photoshop and not going to lock up your computer all day like an Adobe product does.
00:17:36
1852media
Yeah, I was really excited when I got this new computer because I was like, I can use Photoshop again and Illustrator.
00:17:41
Veronica Adams
But do you? But do you?
00:17:43
1852media
I actually have I have used Illustrator recently to do a PNG to SVG.
00:17:47
Veronica Adams
Okay. Yeah.
00:17:49
1852media
You have to remember I have a laser engraver, so I will i use yeah Adobe products for that.
00:17:51
Veronica Adams
That's great.
00:17:55
Veronica Adams
Uh-huh.
00:17:56
1852media
um And yeah, I do when I make covers, I have found that I have to use Photoshop to put to do full wraps because Dick Monkey will mess up the final product, even if you save it as a PDF.
00:18:04
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:18:07
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:18:11
Veronica Adams
Render. Yeah.
00:18:12
1852media
Yeah. So I have to use Photoshop for that, which is fine. It's not a big deal. You just plug and play. It's all good. But yeah, not I don't use it as frequently as I try not to, let's be honest, because
00:18:24
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:18:26
Veronica Adams
I um ah use Premiere Pro more than I do Photoshop, honestly, but that's because I i do, ah I think I probably edit more videos than you do.
00:18:29
1852media
Oh, interesting.
00:18:35
1852media
Yeah, I think you do. I think you do, but yeah.
00:18:37
Veronica Adams
So, but yeah, it it locks up my computer and I really can't do anything else while it's open because it's just a, it's a monster of a piece of software, so.
00:18:49
1852media
It really is. It really is. So, I mean, we love the capabilities.
00:18:54
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:18:55
1852media
But it is a monster of a program that is for damn sure.
00:18:58
Veronica Adams
For sure. So and and editing graphics and making graphics and stuff, yeah.
00:19:00
1852media
um But yeah, so those are the probably the big ones for you know photo editing and manipulation. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so.
BookFunnel for ARC Distribution
00:19:08
1852media
And then otherwise, distribution of arcs is book funnel all day long.
00:19:14
Veronica Adams
Oh, yeah.
00:19:15
1852media
Yeah. I mean, that's what we use.
00:19:17
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:19:18
1852media
Now, we also do send to Kindle. We are old school. I know some people still do it as well, but we do send um to reviewers who sign up on our Google Forms, which if you're a promoter and you would like to sign up for ARCS, please check out our website.
00:19:27
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:19:36
1852media
They are all listed there.
00:19:37
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:19:38
1852media
um We send directly to your Kindle address ah for that.
00:19:41
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:19:43
1852media
But if you're on our ARCS team or anything like that outside of that, we use BookFunnel. um I love BookFunnel for their certified ARC program.
00:19:53
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:19:54
1852media
I also love them for their integration to Shopify.
00:19:57
Veronica Adams
yes
00:19:57
1852media
That is so key. And it's so simple.
00:19:59
Veronica Adams
believe They also integrate with several newsletter providers as well.
00:20:03
1852media
Yeah.
00:20:04
Veronica Adams
MailerLite is the only one that comes to mind immediately, but I know there are a few others that they have integrations for. so
00:20:09
1852media
They just it integrated, I believe, with Flodesk.
00:20:13
Veronica Adams
Awesome.
00:20:13
1852media
I haven't set it up yet, but it is about time.
00:20:14
Veronica Adams
It's about time.
00:20:16
1852media
It is.
00:20:16
Veronica Adams
It's about time.
00:20:17
1852media
I just heard that. They do with Mailchimp as well.
00:20:20
Veronica Adams
Yeah, you can set up those loss leaders, the reader magnets and things, and start collecting without having to actually export and then re-upload to your newsletter platform.
00:20:21
1852media
um Yeah.
00:20:31
Veronica Adams
You just automatically get added when people sign up and take your freebie, which is awesome.
00:20:32
1852media
Yeah.
00:20:36
1852media
Yeah, it it makes it so much easier.
00:20:37
Veronica Adams
Super easy.
00:20:38
1852media
Yeah. And it's just all automated.
00:20:39
Veronica Adams
Yeah. But the Shopify thing honestly is, in my opinion, the best feature, like the integration with e-commerce and the ability to sell e-books and audio books direct.
00:20:44
1852media
Yeah.
00:20:49
1852media
Yeah.
00:20:50
Veronica Adams
Just click, click of a couple of buttons and book funnels taking care of it for you.
00:20:50
1852media
It's okay.
00:20:56
1852media
Yeah. And their customer service is amazing.
00:20:59
Veronica Adams
Unmatched.
00:21:01
1852media
Unmatched.
00:21:02
Veronica Adams
Unmatched.
00:21:02
1852media
Unmatched.
00:21:03
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:21:04
1852media
I can't say enough good things.
00:21:04
Veronica Adams
They are so responsive, so helpful, so like just, I don't know that the company culture at book funnel is just customer forward and it's amazing.
00:21:09
1852media
Like, yeah, I don't know what customer management system they're using, but I have never had an email not be addressed from them.
00:21:17
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:21:21
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:21:22
1852media
Like it is insanely efficient and they're so timely.
00:21:24
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:21:27
1852media
They're amazing.
00:21:28
Veronica Adams
Yeah. If you get a user who gets a a file, an ARC or a book that they've purchased and there's some sort of issue or they, they, you know, book funnel forwards you that content and lets you know that they handled the issue for you.
00:21:28
1852media
Yeah.
00:21:39
1852media
yeah
00:21:41
Veronica Adams
I would say 99 times out of a hundred.
00:21:41
1852media
Right. Yeah. ah Like I had a situation where there for some reason There was an issue and there we were selling like ah a ah full series um but the reader did not receive like three of the books in the series and The book funnel person was like do you want me to just manually send these like I can do and because the client sent it to me because I handle that sort of stuff and I was like well I can manually do it but
00:21:59
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:22:09
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:22:13
1852media
the book funnel person saying that they're willing to do it. So just let them do it. You know, like, I just let them do it.
00:22:16
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:22:19
1852media
And I was just like amazed. I was like, Okay, all right. That's like next level, like you're willing to do the extra step, not just say like, here's the issue, dump it on your plate.
00:22:24
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:29
1852media
No, we're willing to fix the issue for you also.
00:22:32
Veronica Adams
Right, right.
00:22:34
1852media
It's just incredible.
00:22:35
Veronica Adams
Doesn't get much better than that.
00:22:36
1852media
It really doesn't. I cannot speak, I mean BookFunnel sponsor us, but I cannot speak highly enough about BookFunnel.
00:22:43
Veronica Adams
Yeah, we really should have put a disclaimer out there before we dove into this, that this is not in any way, shape or form a sponsored episode.
00:22:49
1852media
No, not at all.
00:22:51
Veronica Adams
we're We're really just singing the praises of the stuff we use and like,
00:22:53
1852media
I pay them money every month. ah I am a customer of BookFunnel.
00:22:57
Veronica Adams
okay
00:23:00
1852media
Yeah.
00:23:00
Veronica Adams
And it is glorious.
00:23:01
Veronica Adams
yeah Yes.
00:23:02
1852media
Yeah. And even back, so I have a publisher account with them. And, um, even back when like I used up all of the certified arcs that I had like in my publisher amount, uh, for the month and I needed more, I would, I emailed them and they were like, Oh yeah, here's like 2,500 more.
00:23:14
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:23:20
1852media
Like they're just so like no extra charge, nothing.
00:23:23
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:23:23
1852media
They were just like, here you go.
00:23:24
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:23:24
1852media
It's all good.
00:23:25
Veronica Adams
You need your bandwidth. You need the ability to send out more copies or more emails. No problem.
00:23:28
1852media
Yeah.
00:23:30
Veronica Adams
We'll bump you up a level.
00:23:30
1852media
So. If you are trying to decide what you're going to use for distribution of books, cannot cannot say enough nice things about BookFunnel.
00:23:40
Veronica Adams
Yeah, for sure.
00:23:41
1852media
What else? What are our other favorite?
00:23:45
Veronica Adams
Stock photos. I think we are
00:23:46
1852media
Oh, yeah,
Stock Photos and AI Content
00:23:47
1852media
stock photos. Let's talk about photos.
00:23:47
Veronica Adams
we are both deposit deposit photos subscribers just because they tend to be pretty cost-effective compared to everyone else on the market.
00:23:50
1852media
We are.
00:23:55
1852media
Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what we pay. We pay $420 a year and we get 30 downloads a month for that, which breaks out into what?
00:24:01
Veronica Adams
All right. Awesome. Yeah.
00:24:08
1852media
Like, I mean, you don't get to roll them over. So sometimes I forget and unfortunately I don't take all of the, you know, yeah.
00:24:15
Veronica Adams
Less than $20 a month for 30 images a month. Right.
00:24:19
1852media
So they're less than a dollar a month. So let's do 420 divided by 12. Yeah. It's 35.
00:24:27
1852media
$35 a month, $1.16, yeah.
00:24:29
Veronica Adams
So you're paying just over a dollar an image? Yeah.
00:24:34
1852media
Which you can't find that anymore.
00:24:35
Veronica Adams
No. Now you can, if if you don't have a big need for stock photos, there are places on the internet where you can get free licensed images.
00:24:36
1852media
um
00:24:42
1852media
Oh, sure, sure.
00:24:45
Veronica Adams
um
00:24:46
1852media
They're just not great.
00:24:48
Veronica Adams
Yeah, if you want more variety, if you need something specific or you want something um illustrated or something a little sexier or something a little more dangerous, you're probably not going to find those kinds of images on the free sites.
00:24:50
1852media
Yeah.
00:24:58
1852media
Yeah.
00:25:01
Veronica Adams
So a deposit photo subscription is pretty, pretty good for that.
00:25:01
1852media
Unfortunately not.
00:25:05
1852media
Pretty costs. And I don't know if that deal, listen, I'm not saying that that deal is available for everyone. I think I locked in on that deal several years like years ago.
00:25:11
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:25:15
1852media
And yeah, i think I think I'm sort of allowed in based upon prior stuff.
00:25:15
Veronica Adams
Grandfathered in at this point.
00:25:19
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:25:22
1852media
But um I know that they do run deals all the time for you know like ah a certain amount of money, for a certain amount of downloads.
00:25:22
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:25:27
Veronica Adams
Uh-huh.
00:25:30
1852media
And you can grab those.
00:25:30
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:25:33
Veronica Adams
I also keep a Shutterstock subscription just for the work I do um separate from the business, but that's because I find that I have, you know, a need for some
00:25:37
1852media
Mm-hmm.
00:25:46
Veronica Adams
more depth in terms of my ability to license stuff, right? Like deposit photos doesn't have everything you're going to need.
00:25:49
1852media
No, they don't.
00:25:51
Veronica Adams
And Shutterstock also has ah AI generation capabilities, you can actually feed their system and they will produce AI content for you.
00:26:00
1852media
Mm.
00:26:02
Veronica Adams
And we have a couple of clients who have authorized that, you know, they don't mind it for promotional purposes. Obviously, they're not using it for the books that they write, like exactly.
00:26:08
1852media
Yeah, for commercial. Yeah, no, no. You can't use it for covers or anything like that.
00:26:12
Veronica Adams
Right, right.
00:26:14
1852media
And it depends.
00:26:14
Veronica Adams
But in
00:26:14
1852media
Listen, before people go crazy, it depends what you're using it for, right?
00:26:18
Veronica Adams
That's right.
00:26:18
1852media
Like, it depends what you're using it for.
00:26:19
Veronica Adams
That's right. Yeah.
00:26:22
1852media
And it depends what you're creating. You're not creating a whole image. Are you creating a portion of something that you're using in a bigger image um that you just can't freaking find anywhere?
00:26:26
Veronica Adams
yeah
00:26:31
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:26:32
1852media
um It depends. It depends. OK.
00:26:35
Veronica Adams
it's ah It's a very gray area. And and we our philosophy is just to simply honor the brand management preferences that our clients have for
00:26:37
1852media
It is.
00:26:48
Veronica Adams
whatever they're most comfortable with. I've had people come to me and say explicitly under no circumstances whatsoever should we do anything in promotions and marketing related to AI.
00:27:00
Veronica Adams
I don't want to be associated with it. I don't want to you know i don't even want the smell of it on my brand.
00:27:02
1852media
Yeah.
00:27:05
1852media
Right.
00:27:05
Veronica Adams
No problem. We will stay completely away from AI.
00:27:06
1852media
No problem.
00:27:09
Veronica Adams
I've had other clients say, you know what? I need a kind of aesthetic and image that I cannot get from regular stock photos or graphic design. And I need it for a giveaway. I need it for a takeover on social media. I need it for a teaser video. I need it for an ad.
00:27:30
Veronica Adams
let's Let's go to Mid-Journey or some other AI image generation platform and see what we can find. you know Can we get the computers to make one for us that fits this particular need? And I'm okay doing that too.
00:27:42
1852media
So we'll we'll see, you know, it's see and we're we're gonna see how some of this stuff shakes out too, you know, like with with a lot of this art creation and and all of that, because some of it's been stolen, some of it hasn't been stolen, some of it's been, you know, these like free licensed images, you know, if they were just fed into it, then sure, you could create whatever you wanted, right?
00:27:47
Veronica Adams
Yep, absolutely. For sure.
00:27:59
Veronica Adams
right
00:28:09
1852media
Like it's, It depends what is what is the source material and what are you using it for and all of that.
00:28:15
Veronica Adams
Right. Right.
00:28:17
1852media
um But just to be clear, you cannot use AI generated anything for covers because they are not copyrightable.
00:28:23
Veronica Adams
That's right.
00:28:23
1852media
So you cannot use that at all um for the reasons that we just brought up because we don't know the source material.
00:28:28
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:28:30
1852media
We don't know the real owners of anything and who's getting paid what and where and and all of that jazz.
00:28:35
Veronica Adams
Exactly.
00:28:36
1852media
um So yeah, I mean,
00:28:37
Veronica Adams
And whether or not it's a representation of somebody's likeness or someone else's intellectual property.
00:28:41
1852media
Exactly.
00:28:42
Veronica Adams
Yep.
00:28:42
1852media
Yeah, there's just so much. um So we'll see where it happens. And there's certain instances where other forms of AI, you know, the narration, you know, the authors, you know, want to do AI narration and things like that, you know, sure.
00:28:56
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:28:58
1852media
um But anyway, not to get off of an AI topic. But shutter like using these different types of resources, I think it's important to bring it up in the in the context of imagery, though, um simply because you need to know what is you know what you're willing to risk.
00:29:10
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:29:15
1852media
right Because you have to remember that you're risking this as your business.
00:29:15
Veronica Adams
Right.
00:29:19
1852media
um you know If somebody were to decide that that wasn't acceptable, you're the one that's at risk for that. right
00:29:26
Veronica Adams
That's right. That's right.
00:29:27
1852media
So yearre you're the one that has to assume that risk if you're willing to take that for your business.
00:29:31
Veronica Adams
Yes. Yes, yeah.
00:29:33
1852media
um
00:29:34
Veronica Adams
And I would never make that decision for someone else, but for the clients who have given me the green light to do limited, you know, fine, let's do it. And I find Shutterstock very helpful for that in this particular situation.
00:29:41
1852media
Right.
00:29:45
1852media
Well, Shutterstock also has other options too for just general you know just general stock photos.
00:29:46
Veronica Adams
Oh, for sure. they They have more images, like actual stock photos and illustrations, human created ones.
00:29:52
1852media
Yeah.
00:29:56
1852media
I will say, yeah, human career, I will say my favorite, like they're expensive. And so I don't go trolling on there a lot is the Adobe stock photos.
00:30:03
Veronica Adams
Yes. Oh God. Yes.
00:30:06
1852media
They're so good.
00:30:06
Veronica Adams
They're good. They're good.
00:30:09
1852media
They're so good.
00:30:09
Veronica Adams
They're pricey.
00:30:10
1852media
They're pricey. Yeah. For like one image you can, on the cheap end, you'll be paying like $40 or something like that on the cheap end.
00:30:17
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:19
1852media
But yeah.
00:30:19
Veronica Adams
You get like five downloads a month for like 200 bucks or something.
00:30:23
1852media
But they're good. They're really good. So if you're looking for a cover situation, yeah.
00:30:26
Veronica Adams
Well, and if Yeah, exactly. Like ah in a single image situation, scale up, go get a higher quality image from a place like Adobe or um a custom photographer, right?
00:30:35
1852media
Right.
00:30:41
Veronica Adams
Like, you know.
00:30:42
1852media
Right. Yeah, I mean, Adobe is going to be adobe iss gonna be way cheaper than doing a photography or or custom photographer.
00:30:48
Veronica Adams
Yeah, having a custom photo.
00:30:50
1852media
Yeah.
00:30:50
Veronica Adams
Yeah, exactly.
00:30:51
1852media
exclusive, I guess I should say, but photo, or even a custom one.
00:30:53
Veronica Adams
Yeah, you'll pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars for a custom photo. Whereas $40 license from Adobe, big deal.
00:30:57
1852media
Yeah.
00:31:01
1852media
Yeah, exactly.
00:31:02
Veronica Adams
um
00:31:03
1852media
So you can vary which ones you want to do.
00:31:05
Veronica Adams
Yeah, for sure. And there are so many others out there.
00:31:08
1852media
But yeah, iStock's a good one.
00:31:11
Veronica Adams
iStock, who else?
00:31:15
Veronica Adams
I'm trying to think of who else I've licensed in the past.
00:31:16
1852media
Well, then like the free commercial ones, Pixabay,
00:31:19
Veronica Adams
Oh yeah, Pexels. Yep.
00:31:21
1852media
um And all of those, yeah.
00:31:21
Veronica Adams
All of those. Yeah.
00:31:24
1852media
And those are good for background imagery, right?
00:31:26
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:31:26
1852media
If you're just looking for something with a background or something like that, people, not so much, no.
00:31:31
Veronica Adams
Not so much, no. But if you need a landscape or something, yeah.
00:31:33
1852media
Yeah, it's great for a landscape, great for a landscape.
00:31:36
Veronica Adams
Definitely.
00:31:37
1852media
um And I mean, if you if you ever need a landscape of Vermont, hit me up, I'm happy to license a photo or two. ah So.
00:31:48
1852media
Oh, I have plenty of those.
00:31:50
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:31:50
1852media
um Especially with a barn or something like that.
00:31:53
Veronica Adams
No kidding.
00:31:54
1852media
But speaking of I think I think it would be fun to share the story of what I did for two clients this week who are writing a book together.
Virtual Vermont Tour for Authors
00:32:03
1852media
So they're writing a book based.
00:32:05
Veronica Adams
the cutest story.
00:32:06
1852media
Yeah, they're writing a series based in in Vermont. and neither of them have been to Vermont. So they wanted, um, I live here and so they wanted to just get the feel. They wanted to, you know, pick my brain and I was like, yeah, of course you can pick my brain, but wouldn't it be fun if I took you on like a little virtual tour of Vermont? And so my husband drove, we hopped in the truck and I had the, the phone.
00:32:36
1852media
And we were on a conference call and we drove them around our town, our downtown, we showed them our town hall, our fire station, so that they could get like the real imagery, right of what?
00:32:50
Veronica Adams
The quaint charm of New England.
00:32:52
1852media
Yes, yes, we took them on through a covered bridge. um Yeah.
00:32:56
Veronica Adams
Of course you did. ah You can't miss the covered bridges.
00:33:00
1852media
Yeah. We went and got a creamy um and they wanted to know, you know, they're asking very pointed questions like what color?
00:33:07
Veronica Adams
You're goingnna need to like gonna need to explain what a creamy is to most of the people listening.
00:33:10
1852media
Oh, yes, yes. So a creamy is soft serve of ice cream, um essentially.
00:33:16
Veronica Adams
Okay.
00:33:18
1852media
the The difference between a creamy and other soft serve ice creams is the amount of milk fat that is used in the creation of the creamy.
00:33:26
Veronica Adams
Oh, Lord.
00:33:26
1852media
It's exceptionally high. It's like 10% milk fat.
00:33:29
Veronica Adams
It's like the custard ice cream debate we have here in the Midwest.
00:33:29
1852media
um
00:33:33
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:33:33
1852media
Yeah, it's a lot.
00:33:33
Veronica Adams
Okay.
00:33:34
1852media
um They're delicious. ah And the maple creamy is the most popular flavor of creamy in Vermont, not vanilla, it is maple.
00:33:38
Veronica Adams
Listen.
00:33:45
1852media
So I, yeah, it's honestly not my favorite, but
00:33:46
Veronica Adams
Who is shocked by that information? No one.
00:33:54
1852media
For the purposes of the demonstration in which we were doing, I did order a maple creamy so that they could see like the color and the consistency and like all of that sort of stuff.
00:33:57
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:34:04
1852media
and um Yeah, and we took them down to Burlington and we walked around downtown Burlington.
00:34:09
Veronica Adams
Nice.
00:34:11
1852media
And what else did we do took them to a corner store so that they could see the inside of a corner store and like what that is, which is sort of like and mom and pop convenience stores.
00:34:19
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:23
1852media
um And yeah, just sort of gave them the the whole lowdown on Vermont. So I mean, hell, I'll make that a service. If anybody is interested in getting a Vermont tour for your Vermont-based books, i'm you know I'm open to it.
00:34:36
Veronica Adams
yeah
00:34:40
1852media
It was really fun. It was. And my husband got a milkshake out of the deal, and he was very excited about that. so
00:34:47
Veronica Adams
Nice. It's the least you can do for the driver is compensate him with some sort of snack.
00:34:53
1852media
Right, right. um But yeah, we we are friends with people who own um sugar works, sugar makers, and people that own cows and horses, and we own goats, and you know we can give you whatever tours you want.
00:35:05
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:35:09
1852media
But I just thought it was really fun. I'd never done it before, and I thought that that was just a really fun and different thing that we did.
00:35:12
Veronica Adams
yeah
00:35:14
Veronica Adams
supporting research and the actual creative aspect of a client's business and in this case to clients businesses since they're partnering up for this particular project.
00:35:17
1852media
Yeah.
00:35:22
1852media
The series.
00:35:23
Veronica Adams
Yeah, that's so fun.
00:35:24
1852media
And I love Vermont, so it was it was fun. And it thankfully, it was a beautiful day because that would have really sucked if it was raining. That would have been ah wouldve been a lame tour.
00:35:33
Veronica Adams
you should have like well no because then you've got like the spoiler situation but I was thinking like you could submit it to like the state bureau of tourism or the tourism department or whatever right like we are selling vermont to non-vermonters yeah
00:35:42
1852media
Right? Yeah.
00:35:49
1852media
ah And it was really funny because there were obviously people around us in certain locations who you know are not understanding what we're doing.
00:35:59
1852media
And so I had to be like, you know I'm giving a tour to friends. like I was just like, I didn't know what else to say. I didn't want to get in the whole explanation.
00:36:05
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Right.
00:36:07
1852media
But ah we went into a local bookstore. you know Yeah, it was so fun.
00:36:12
Veronica Adams
Perfect. Perfect.
00:36:13
1852media
It was fun. So highly recommend.
00:36:14
Veronica Adams
Oh.
00:36:16
1852media
That was a really good time, something I had not done before.
00:36:19
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:36:19
1852media
Um, so yes.
00:36:23
Veronica Adams
I would offer my services in the same vein, but there's nothing to look at here except for hogs, cows, corn and soybeans. So like, you know, yeah, Google it.
00:36:29
1852media
In Illinois.
00:36:33
1852media
Yeah.
00:36:33
Veronica Adams
Google it.
00:36:34
1852media
Vermont's a little different, I think, I think, but, um, yeah, so that was, that was a fun story this week.
00:36:37
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:36:42
1852media
Not on topic at all really for what we were talking about, but you know, here we are.
Recap of Third-Party Applications
00:36:47
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:36:47
1852media
Um,
00:36:49
1852media
I think though that those are like the main support when we were talking about like third party apps though, like those are the main support things I think that we use the most.
00:36:49
Veronica Adams
For sure.
00:36:53
Veronica Adams
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, your newsletter provider, right? But we've talked about those ad nauseam.
00:36:59
1852media
We've talked about those.
00:36:59
Veronica Adams
Like we use flow dusk.
00:37:00
1852media
Yeah.
00:37:01
Veronica Adams
We used to use MailChimp. There's nothing wrong with MailChimp.
00:37:02
1852media
Yeah.
00:37:03
Veronica Adams
They're just expensive.
00:37:05
1852media
Right.
00:37:05
Veronica Adams
You've got mailer light. You've got Emma. You've got Mad Mimi. I don't constant contact. I mean, the market is lousy with options for newsletter providers.
00:37:11
1852media
So many. Yeah. And we've also gone in depth on websites and what we think about websites before, but I don't think we had, yeah, we didn't talk too much about sort those other ones, you know, photo creation and all of that.
00:37:19
Veronica Adams
Yes. And e-commerce. Yeah.
00:37:26
Veronica Adams
Right. Yeah.
00:37:29
1852media
um And I wanted to bring up art distribution simply because I love BookFunnel and I cannot talk about them and enough.
00:37:35
Veronica Adams
I know, right? They're just the best.
00:37:37
1852media
They really are, they are.
00:37:37
Veronica Adams
They're just the ones.
00:37:40
1852media
Um, but yeah, I think that that, that covers it for this week. If you need a Vermont tour, you know where to come. Um, and truly, yeah, I will show you on the Apple creamy.
00:37:49
Veronica Adams
Yes, Heather will show you a maple creamy.
00:37:53
1852media
Well, we can go take a tour of a, of a sugar makers, um, whole factory and all of that.
00:38:00
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:38:01
1852media
It's actually really cool. When we first got to Vermont and we were driving around, we saw all these like blue pipes in the trees, like in the woods.
00:38:08
Veronica Adams
You're
00:38:09
1852media
We're like, what the hell is that? And then we found out that those are there's sugar lines, there's sugar lines.
00:38:12
Veronica Adams
a collection. Yeah.
00:38:15
1852media
And we were like, oh, that's crazy. So you learn very quickly what everything is and how it all works. But anyhow, the fun things, the fun things you learn.
00:38:24
Veronica Adams
Yeah.
00:38:27
Veronica Adams
Indeed.
00:38:32
1852media
And until next time, I hope you guys have a wonderful week and a great weekend.
00:38:35
Veronica Adams
Yes.
00:38:37
1852media
Well, we're having a great weekend, but have a great week.
00:38:37
Veronica Adams
Absolutely. We are. You are especially so jealous.
00:38:41
1852media
I am especially, we're going to see Kevin Smith tomorrow night. So, so excited. So excited. We're gonna go camp out. All right, we'll talk to y'all soon.
00:38:50
Veronica Adams
Fun, fun, fun.