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Heather Roberts: Hello, hello and welcome to For Book's Sake. I am Heather Roberts.
Veronica Adams: I am Veronica Adams and we are 1852 Media.
Heather Roberts: All right, and welcome back. This is our second episode of 2025. And we are so excited to be here today with Dawn Robertson, also known as Chasing Oz or Danielle on TikTok and other social media platforms.
Heather Roberts: But she got her start writing romance novels. And so we are so excited to have her with us.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: Welcome. do what how
Veronica Adams: Yes, welcome.
Chasing Oz: think you can call me Danielle that works just because that's my actual name behind all of the other names it's so funny because people are like I don't know what to call you and I'm like i I respond to literally anything like people yell at me in airports and I'm like hey
Heather Roberts: Would you like us to call you Danielle, Chasing Oz, Dawn? What do you want?
Heather Roberts: eric
Heather Roberts: not Well, yeah, Dania, I mean, you've created an amazing following on social media, talking about politics and ah ah current events really in Florida, specifically where you're at, trying to make sure that everybody knows what's going on and sharing the truth in your own way and with your laugh.
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Chasing Oz: Everything is on fire.
Heather Roberts: Yes. everything Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Everything's on fire.
Veronica Adams: but Quite a circus you have down there to be discussing.
Chasing Oz: It's all on fire.
Veronica Adams: Plenty of content.
Chasing Oz: I hate it here.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, it's valid.
Veronica Adams: that That's why I left.
Heather Roberts: It's valid.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: But yeah, so we thought it'd be fun to have Danielle on to talk about, you know, publishing in the Trump era, and what's going on. And wouldn't you know it, but we had we had booked Danielle what back in December, something a minute but
Chasing Oz: who Yeah, a while back.
Heather Roberts: perfectly timed. We've had quite an intersection of politics and um publishing industry just this week.
Chasing Oz: This is the week.
Heather Roberts: So this is the week. So as many of you know, and if you haven't, I think you've been living under a rock, but this guy named Elon Musk, who perhaps you've heard of, he was at the inauguration and in front of the presidential seal,
Heather Roberts: made a gesture that, frankly, let's be honest, can only be interpreted as a Nazi salute. I mean, 100 % it was a Nazi salute. All of these people trying to defend him, it's just it's wild.
Chasing Oz: the that The defenses have been insane to watch. Like, a touch of the tism?
Heather Roberts: Truly insane to watch.
Chasing Oz: No, no, no, no that no. No, no, we're not gonna go there.
Heather Roberts: No.
Veronica Adams: No.
Chasing Oz: He was throwing his heart. What?
Heather Roberts: No.
Chasing Oz: Excuse me?
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: Do what now? I've never heard of that before in my life.
Veronica Adams: There are clips of him out there doing that in a completely different fashion anyway.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Veronica Adams: So next excuse, please.
Chasing Oz: Exactly, like, mmm.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Yeah. Try again.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: but Well, one of the people defending him on Twitter or whatever the fuck you want to call it today is his sister.
Veronica Adams: X.
Heather Roberts: His sister is Tosca Musk. And how does that relate to the romance industry? Well, she owns a company called Passionflix. And Passionflix creates movies sort of in a, it's an independent movie production company.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: So they take books, they buy the licensing rights for film, and they create these movies, these romance novels into movies. There's a subscription service, a lot like Netflix, where people can subscribe and watch these new movies.
Heather Roberts: Authors have over the years been clamoring, many of them, to try to get their books picked up by Passionflix because it's more likely that you would get a deal with Passionflix than you would with any sort of you know legacy media ah film deal or anything like that.
Veronica Adams: All right.
Heather Roberts: So, you know, she came onto to Twitter, I refuse to call it X, okay? She came onto Twitter and defended her brother, good old Elon, and put up a meme that is going around of other politicians who happen to be Democrats waving with their hands in the air, basically saying, you didn't yell when they did this.
Chasing Oz: waving.
Chasing Oz: It's a different context.
Heather Roberts: Well, no, we didn't because they weren't doing it. So it is, yeah.
Veronica Adams: Show me the videos of each of those photo stills, please. Show me the full video so that we can see in context how the body was moving.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: But that's how propaganda works, is they tell you first not to believe what you're seeing with your own fucking two eyes.
Veronica Adams: Right?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Like, we all saw that. but And the biggest thing is not only do I know what it means, but the people who support that type of belief system also took that as a sign.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Chasing Oz: Mhm.
Heather Roberts: I mean, they are, they have put out, you know, different things saying like, you know, yes, like that was thank you, you know, that was for
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Chasing Oz: Nick Fuentes in his his commentary, his explanation online that there's no other thing it could be.
Veronica Adams: Oh, God.
Veronica Adams: He was giddy about it. I mean, you know, the dogs, the dogs heard the whistle loud and clear.
Heather Roberts: hi Right.
Chasing Oz: Did it twice! Oh, yeah. And then Donald Trump decided to release the most violent of criminals You know, I mean, today, today he pardoned that lady.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: You remember that lady a a couple of years ago that got caught, the anti -abortion lady that had all the fetuses in her basement?
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: He pardoned that bitch today.
Veronica Adams: ye
Chasing Oz: What?
Heather Roberts: It's just completely wild. Yeah. So I mean, Tosca, I don't care. I get he's your brother. Like I get it, right? But at the same time, no, no.
Heather Roberts: If my brother did that, I'd be distancing myself so far from that. um um You wouldn't even be able to see like, who? Elon who? I don't know him.
Heather Roberts: What are you talking about?
Chasing Oz: like his did.
Heather Roberts: You know what I ah Right, exactly. So now authors are starting to drop passion flicks and there's a lot of those subscribers on you know the book of faces who are saying that they're they've dropped their subscription. Tara Civic just came out and said that she sent an email breaking their contract and saying that she no longer, she can't, you know her Her values do not align with passion flicks.
Heather Roberts: I have a feeling a lot more authors are going to follow. So that is going to be very interesting to watch.
Chasing Oz: I hope so.
Chasing Oz: I love Tara. She's the best.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, yeah, she's great.
Chasing Oz: It all brings me back to Wicked Book Weekend and her dildo races. Those are the best women.
Heather Roberts: I just don't know how you can be in an industry of of the romance industry of women and know that most women in this industry are liberal leaning at the very least.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: except for Except for that cunt, what's that, Jamie McGuire.
Heather Roberts: cho Yeah, yeah, except for her.
Veronica Adams: Oh.
Chasing Oz: She blocked me on every social media platform.
Veronica Adams: You must be doing something right.
Heather Roberts: but You're blessed. Yeah, you're blessed.
Chasing Oz: Winning.
Heather Roberts: Oh my God.
Chasing Oz: Maybe she can go hawk some more lip synths.
Heather Roberts: ah ah She could.
Chasing Oz: My bad, sorry.
Heather Roberts: No, you're fine. Say what you want. I, you know, I will never forget being in a signing.
Chasing Oz: When have I never?
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. I was at a signing and she was there and she packed up like halfway through the signing and her kids were literally screaming the entire signing, running around, being disruptive.
Heather Roberts: And then she packed up and left halfway through the signing.
Veronica Adams: Disrespectful.
Chasing Oz: So I signed with her twice, right? So I signed at Book Bash Orlando. And the first year I signed there, she was was actually nice.
Chasing Oz: And then the second year that I signed was the year that she got skinny. And she was a rude cunt to everybody.
Heather Roberts: that
Chasing Oz: I literally walked her by her table at one point, and and I was like, can somebody get this bitch a steak or something? Like, and can somebody improve the mood because she's just fucking insufferable?
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Yeah. Well, then her posts on social media have backed up that.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: It's nothing but hate.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Nothing but hate all the time.
Chasing Oz: She took off her she took off her clan hood.
Heather Roberts: all the all the hate, all the time, huge magma supporter. So I imagine if Tosca would like, but she could probably be able to get a fabulous opening.
Chasing Oz: She might be able to get some of Jamie's z -list of books nobody ever bought. After a beautiful disaster, that was it.
Heather Roberts: That was it.
Veronica Adams: Pretty much.
Chasing Oz: Would you rewrote the same book six times? with the How many copies do you need of it?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: We don't need any more perspectives.
Heather Roberts: You're not wrong, but yeah. So that's the big drama this week with passion flicks and the whole Elon connection with Tosca and all of that.
Heather Roberts: But people have started talking about them specifically and about their family and, you know, their South African where they got their money and at a part time.
Chasing Oz: Apartheid.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, we i'll saw him in our house apartheid Clyde.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I've been calling them Adolf Titler.
Heather Roberts: but
Veronica Adams: Ooh, I like that too. That's good.
Heather Roberts: I saw a picture of him that would support that.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, you probably thought from me.
Heather Roberts: Probably, probably.
Chasing Oz: been heavy on that this week. I also shared the picture of Mark Zuckerberg and Joe Rogan together when they recorded the podcast.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: I don't know if I saw that one.
Chasing Oz: Oh, yeah, no, it's good. And it it's it's everywhere. But it went viral on threads because I shared the picture.
Heather Roberts: okay
Chasing Oz: And I was like, this picture is if vaginal dryness was a photograph.
Veronica Adams: I love it.
Heather Roberts: Oh my God, Danielle.
Chasing Oz: I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.
Heather Roberts: I know.
Veronica Adams: oh Extra hilarious because of how true it is. i mean
Chasing Oz: It is, absolutely.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I don't know who looks at the two of them and thinks masculine. Who looks at Mark Zuckerberg looks like a team new version of Justin Timberlake from 2000.
Heather Roberts: really does.
Chasing Oz: Minus the frosted tips, that's all.
Veronica Adams: Can we get him in a harness and do a comparison?
Heather Roberts: Yeah, right.
Chasing Oz: I mean, I don't think it would be hard.
Veronica Adams: Like, right?
Heather Roberts: but the
Heather Roberts: He probably has a harness, let's be honest.
Veronica Adams: Oh, maybe. Oh, yeah.
Heather Roberts: I went there.
Veronica Adams: Okay.
Chasing Oz: Gross.
Heather Roberts: I went there.
Veronica Adams: We listen and we don't judge.
Heather Roberts: I'll be judged. I'll be judged.
Veronica Adams: Oh, okay.
Chasing Oz: I judge.
Veronica Adams: Fair enough.
Chasing Oz: I am not one of those tolerant liberals.
Heather Roberts: i mean
Chasing Oz: I love telling people that too. They're like, you know, fuck you and snowflake. I'm like, you're the one that's losing your shit, bro.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Listen, I am tolerant of everything except for intolerance. So when you open yourself up to the, when you say things that are just completely out of pocket, I don't care anymore.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Mm hmm.
Heather Roberts: I do not care anymore.
Chasing Oz: When I used to go to signings back in the day, I had a T shirt that I and I still wear it all the time.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: It's like the Coca Cola lettering, but it says cunt on it.
Chasing Oz: And like I always used to just wear it as like a warning like this is what you're going to get.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Right. I mean, just, yeah, put it up front.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: There's nothing wrong with that.
Chasing Oz: You know what you get with me.
Heather Roberts: But I've been saying, I mean, these, these next four years, the time for being nice is over. Like we've tried that.
Chasing Oz: Oh, yeah.
Heather Roberts: We have tried to be nice.
Chasing Oz: I'm ready to light shit on fire.
Heather Roberts: yeah Yeah, we have tried to explain. We have tried to be kind. We you know we we tried to pull you in, tried to come to your level.
Heather Roberts: tried to All of these things.
Veronica Adams: meet you where you're at.
Heather Roberts: Dental parenting has not worked, OK? You guys have been saying it for years, the other side. So guess what? We're just coming. We're meeting you where you are, right?
Chasing Oz: i I'm here with the fuck your feelings energy.
Heather Roberts: 100%.
Veronica Adams: Facts don't care about them, right? Isn't that like their thing?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, facts don't care about feelings, so neither do I.
Chasing Oz: I literally am like channeling my inner French Revolution at this point. I'm two steps away from starting to build a guillotine in my backyard.
Heather Roberts: oh
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Chasing Oz: If I had carpentry skills, that shit would have been done already.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: I've been watching The Hunger Games next up where we're watching Handmaid's Tale again for Lovely brief breath.
Chasing Oz: I don't know if I can do that one right now.
Veronica Adams: yeah.
Chasing Oz: It's a little too.
Heather Roberts: I know, Yeah.
Veronica Adams: It was a little too close to real life for me.
Chasing Oz: Knowing that I have my tubes tied and then I'll be stuck cooking. I don't have cooking skills. I can't cut it as a Martha. Where are they going to send me?
Veronica Adams: This? This sends you to the wastelands.
Chasing Oz: I know I'm going to be.
Veronica Adams: You go shovel nuclear waste until you fall over dead because your limbs are falling off.
Chasing Oz: Exactly. Like what the fuck?
Veronica Adams: Mm -hmm.
Heather Roberts: I would never make it as a Martha, honestly, unless they, it has make for me unless meals are a thing in this particular hand -paste tale.
Chasing Oz: My future is not right.
Chasing Oz: Right?
Chasing Oz: I mean, ah ah not for nothing, but by then we'll probably only have like rice and like whatever we can grow in our backyard.
Veronica Adams: True.
Heather Roberts: Potatoes, potatoes, corn.
Chasing Oz: Oh my god.
Heather Roberts: There will be corn because you know everything is runs on corn in America.
Veronica Adams: Pretty much.
Chasing Oz: Oh my god.
Heather Roberts: So there will be corn.
Chasing Oz: I love leaving this country once a month so that like I don't have to taste the nasty ass food here. like Everywhere you go outside of this country, you can taste how good the food is compared to the shit that they tell us is supposed to be good.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: I started making our own bread, not because I'm like a crazy homesteader or anything, but because it tastes better.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: And like, it's not super hard. Like you just need to have a little patience, but it's, it's wild.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: The taste difference, like wild.
Chasing Oz: Oh yeah.
Heather Roberts: And it's just so much better for you.
Chasing Oz: Mm -hmm.
Heather Roberts: I totally understand what you're saying.
Chasing Oz: Oh yeah.
Heather Roberts: It's crazy.
Chasing Oz: Everywhere I go, like, I just eat. Like, eat. I'm a small person. I can put down some food.
Heather Roberts: Where are you going next? You've been already places to share.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, I just got back from Iceland last week. That was my first hosted trip of the
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Chasing Oz: um I have a cruise in February on Virgin Voyages, so it's a kid -free ship. Very excited about that.
Heather Roberts: done love Oh, cool.
Chasing Oz: And then my next hosted trip will be in March back to Iceland.
Heather Roberts: Very cool.
Veronica Adams: That's
Chasing Oz: Yeah, I'm super stoked. I love Iceland. It's one of my favorite places to go.
Heather Roberts: Is it like the same trip that you went on before are you go into different places?
Chasing Oz: Oh, no, it's the same same itinerary.
Heather Roberts: Same thing.
Chasing Oz: Yep, different people wanted to go. I put up the one for March last year and it sold out.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: So I added the January trip I just completed.
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Chasing Oz: And yeah, that one was I think we were rolling down two people.
Heather Roberts: That's not bad at all.
Chasing Oz: So yeah, no, it was great. It was a great group. We had a great time. We saw the Northern Lights again. Yeah, it was it was killer. I can't wait to go back. It's always cool going there.
Chasing Oz: And the people are it's just a magical place. Like it's one of those countries where you can like feel the folklore and shit like it's cool.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Love that.
Heather Roberts: I love that, like, this has become part of your job now.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. i I did not anticipate this being like a thing.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: like This is why I left my day job last year, late last year.
Heather Roberts: And you get to travel to all of these places that it's like you're working. It's amazing.
Chasing Oz: Yep, it's my job to to go and host these trips a week a month.
Veronica Adams: Tough life.
Chasing Oz: And everybody's like, you go on vacation again? I'm like, yeah, it's my job.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I mean, I have to like do shit when I'm there.
Veronica Adams: toughly
Chasing Oz: like I'm wrangling humans and making sure nobody dies.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: And if somebody gets hurt, I have to write a report. It's like like work, but you know we try to make sure nobody gets injured.
Heather Roberts: Right. that's That's always a good goal.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Good goal.
Veronica Adams: Plus you get to leave the U .S.
Chasing Oz: you Yeah, and it's awesome.
Veronica Adams: frequently.
Chasing Oz: But now I'm finding that like when I get places, they're really looking at my passport. like what What are you doing, bitch? What is this?
Heather Roberts: Well, because you're all over the place now.
Chasing Oz: Everywhere, yeah. One one one a month.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. That's crazy. How are you handling the whole TikTok debacle?
Chasing Oz: What a fucking shit show. Okay, so let's talk about this because everybody's like, oh, I won't get back on TikTok now.
Heather Roberts: wild Yeah.
Chasing Oz: It's all Trump. No, it's not.
Heather Roberts: No, it's not.
Chasing Oz: Your algorithm is exactly whatever you made of it.
Veronica Adams: Now, my FYP is still very much a bubble.
Chasing Oz: What? Exactly. My FYP is fucking Bad Bunny and Taylor Swift.
Heather Roberts: Mine has Spencer Pratt and Taylor Swift.
Veronica Adams: What more could you want?
Chasing Oz: yeah i Yeah, I've been seeing him pop up in like the Taylor Swift stuff lately.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: And I'm like, oh, i don't i don't i don't I remember you, but I didn't like you back then.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: So I'm just going to swipe.
Heather Roberts: Honestly, no, listen here. like i'm sorry he's Yeah, he's been a Swifty, but I'm going to be ah a Spencer Pratt stand here for a moment, okay?
Chasing Oz: Was he a Swifty
Heather Roberts: That man, one, he orchestrated the whole villain persona, right? Like that was an act like 100%.
Chasing Oz: Oh, yeah. That was his thing.
Heather Roberts: That was his thing.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: That man rides for his wife and his family in a way that I think every every man can do.
Chasing Oz: man should do. Is he is he a Doug Amhoff?
Heather Roberts: Yeah, like he literally.
Veronica Adams: Oh, God, they're going to be making some of him grocery shopping soon.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, mean he is on this app.
Chasing Oz: Oh my god.
Heather Roberts: for the sole purpose of you know getting money for his family, supporting his wife, even before, so their house burned down in the in the fires, in the Palisades fires.
Heather Roberts: Also, his father, his parents' house, I think it's his parents' house, also burned down the fires. They did not have, so they put all of their money into the house, and they also put their money into Heidi's album that she released 15 years ago, superficial.
Veronica Adams: I mean, real estate's pretty outrageous in California.
Veronica Adams: That seems like it it tracks, right?
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, it tracks.
Veronica Adams: Like.
Heather Roberts: I mean, even if I don't know how much their house was worth in California, but let's be honest, like, even let's say it's a $2 million dollars house, a $2 million dollars house in California is like a $400 ,000 house like in, you know, anywhere else.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Fly over country. Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Right. So we're not talking whatever, but so, you know, they put all their money in that I don't, they did not have fire insurance because they got dropped from their insurer because and yeah, a lot of people did.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: A lot of people did.
Heather Roberts: So like they're, you know,
Chasing Oz: Very Florida hurricane -esque.
Heather Roberts: Yes. So they're trying to rebuild. They don't have anything, right? And this man is off his app hustling like I have never seen anybody before. He got his wife's album to number one on iTunes, his 15 year old fucking album.
Heather Roberts: it She just hit the billboard charts and the top 200.
Chasing Oz: That's funny.
Heather Roberts: He's, I mean, so I'm i'm a Spencer Pratt Stan for how he treats his wife and
Chasing Oz: that's i mean That's a plus. It's always nice to see yeah to see that to see men men doing good. For TikTok, the fact that the app went down Saturday night and then was back up Sunday afternoon was nothing more than a ploy.
Veronica Adams: yeah
Chasing Oz: so What TikTok did was they turned off the US servers so nobody within the US could to access it. A lot of people deleted the app. You can't get it back because the app stores won't put it up right now. They're worried about fines.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: So they're they're not, because they haven't got a written assurance that they won't be fined.
Heather Roberts: All right.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. Right.
Chasing Oz: So that's why they haven't put it back in the app stores. But took the app down, and we all saw the evolution of the messages as it went down, and then it was you know coming back.
Heather Roberts: Thank you, Charles.
Chasing Oz: in thank you it Basically, they took the app down, they kissed his ass for a couple hours, and then they turned the app back on. That's all.
Chasing Oz: That's all that happened. Your FYP is the same. Your comment section is the same. The moderation might be a little wonky right now. Like I had audio of a video taken down yesterday and I appealed it and I won, but it never put the audio back up.
Chasing Oz: Like it was like glitching out. So I think that it's just like... fucking tech glitches that are happening.
Heather Roberts: glitch Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because even in the past like six months, the moderation on comments and stuff has been more. But now we also know that that platforms like meta platforms during the election were stifling left leaning content creators.
Chasing Oz: And we there's actual like proof in the pudding. There was also a letter from a Twitter employee that went to, I don't know who they submitted it to, but it's making its rounds on the internet about how they artificially adjusted the algorithm on Twitter during the election and used fake accounts that were create AI created accounts.
Heather Roberts: Hmm.
Chasing Oz: so Whistleblower within Twitter, person didn't want their their identity out there because they're here on one of the HB1 visas.
Heather Roberts: oh Oh, it's funny.
Chasing Oz: so you know While they're all railing against immigrants, their businesses are being run by immigrants.
Heather Roberts: Sorry.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Heather Roberts: Yeah, sort of like how America is being run by friends.
Veronica Adams: I
Chasing Oz: yeah but Yeah, so TikTok hasn't changed.
Veronica Adams: hope.
Chasing Oz: The FYPs are still the
Heather Roberts: Yeah,
Chasing Oz: um you know The traffic is very similar.
Heather Roberts: page yeah
Chasing Oz: I haven't noticed any difference, not for me you know as a creator. Oh, yeah, 100%.
Heather Roberts: the whole thing was performative. It was Literally no reason for it to go down there. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever other than to try to kiss Trump's ass.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. Mm -hmm.
Chasing Oz: That's 100 % what it was. It was stroking his ego because he's a fucking toddler and they want to stay on his good side.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: In the meantime, this motherfucker is on his Truth Social website talking about how he wants the US to own, like the government to own a half of TikTok.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: No, sir.
Heather Roberts: No, no.
Chasing Oz: Do you know what that's called? That's called socialism.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, state sponsor.
Chasing Oz: you know Do you know that you know what that word means?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because y 'all motherfuckers use it an awful lot but can't identify it in action.
Veronica Adams: They keep using that word.
Heather Roberts: yeah I mean, socialism and communism is the interchangeable to them, even though they are very different things.
Veronica Adams: Mark says, yep, that's right.
Chasing Oz: I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Stop it.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Chasing Oz: Just like yesterday, I was in the fucking, the gas station before I went to get my tattoo, I went and grabbed a bottle of water.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: This guy behind me, he's looking at me, he's trying to read my earrings. Then he's trying to talk to me, right? He's like, oh, I'm sorry. I just wanted to see what your earrings said. You know, trying to hit on me a little bit subtly in his head to toe camo in Florida.
Chasing Oz: I turned around and I was like, oh, they say, fuck the patriarchy.
Chasing Oz: And I'm 100 % sure it went over his head because he was like, oh, that that's great. The guy behind him was hysterically laughing. I don't think he knew what patriarchy meant.
Chasing Oz: So I think he went home and Googled that later on in the evening and was like that redheaded cunt.
Heather Roberts: yeah Yeah. Not what, not what I thought it meant. That's hilarious.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, it was awesome. That's why I don't go out in public often because of that.
Heather Roberts: I mean, yeah, I try not to leave my house.
Veronica Adams: out here doing the Lord's work.
Heather Roberts: Well, speaking of censorship though, I mean, it might not be happening on TikTok right now, but there is a concern of, you know, this administration censoring a lot of things, but specifically also romance always being one of them.
Veronica Adams: Well, they're coming for our books.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: They're coming.
Chasing Oz: Oh yeah, they've been coming for books.
Veronica Adams: They're coming for it's in product 2025.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: They've been coming for books.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: And so like the way that this could look, right like because we keep saying, like oh, they're coming for our books. How could it look? right So like what people will know to look out for, where you know Amazon, the retailers, right specifically Amazon, because it's Amazon, they're going to start either shadow banning, right throwing you into the ah ah dungeon, as we like to call it, the erotica dungeon, for books that are not erotica.
Heather Roberts: right They're going to potentially even limit what you're allowed to publish on their platform. If it has any type of open door sexual nature at all, that could possibly be happening.
Heather Roberts: them and other retailers. So, I mean, these are ah a lot of different, I mean, there could be criminal actions coming again. We don't know. We don't know how far this is going to go.
Veronica Adams: Like just
Chasing Oz: I mean, just look at what they're doing in in bread states like Florida, like with these identification laws, like things like Pornhub are
Veronica Adams: Yes. Right.
Chasing Oz: ah ah completely shutting down operations for the state or any access because of the the privacy violations.
Chasing Oz: It's only going to get worse. i mean Yesterday in Mississippi, there was a new piece of legislation passed. ah ah Conception begins at erection. I'm sure that's going to go over awesomely.
Veronica Adams: no No masturbatory emissions, only
Heather Roberts: Wait, was that real? I thought that that was satire.
Chasing Oz: No, it's real.
Veronica Adams: No, it's legit Heather.
Chasing Oz: It's real.
Heather Roberts: No, but I.
Veronica Adams: No, no masturbatory emissions. It is literally like the scene from L from Legally Blonde where L is in class arguing.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Reckless. Reckless.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, reckless endangerment of the sperm of the child that could have been conceived from the sperm.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Mm -hmm.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. Mm -hmm. Because 100 % of unwanted pregnancies come from unwanted sperm.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: Yes. Well, I did.
Chasing Oz: We can ask for it. We don't want it.
Heather Roberts: I did see that the executive order said when they were talking about the whole gender thing, that, you know, it's it's based upon a conception.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. At conception.
Heather Roberts: So we're all women now.
Chasing Oz: Yep.
Heather Roberts: All of us.
Chasing Oz: every but every Every man in America is a trans man.
Heather Roberts: Everyone.
Veronica Adams: trans.
Heather Roberts: As a trans man.
Veronica Adams: They are.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because at conception, every last one of you motherfuckers are a bitch just like us.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yep.
Chasing Oz: So no matter how much masculine energy or gender -affirming care you'd like to get you on with your hair plugs, it's not gonna help.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: your your Your jaw hardening surgery you had, it it that's gender -affirming care.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Bye, say bye to that.
Heather Roberts: I know it is. Speaking of weird things from the inauguration. No. what Okay. Was the stylus of Ivanka Trump trolling her?
Chasing Oz: Probably, yes.
Heather Roberts: Did you see that?
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: You you saw that with the whole handmade sale reference?
Chasing Oz: She looks like she was one of the commander's wives and Melania looked like she was the hamburglar.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: I mean, she was Marina Joy, 100%.
Chasing Oz: I don't know.
Heather Roberts: I thought she was Michael Jackson reincarnated, frankly.
Chasing Oz: Like, and then, and then this motherfucker didn't even put his hand on the Bible and behind him in the in the background, you can see Kamala Harris and she's like,
Heather Roberts: no Yeah, her face.
Chasing Oz: i I saved the video because it was just too good. it was it was just I need that in my soul.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. You just know her favorite swear word is running through her mind right then and there.
Chasing Oz: She was like, this dumb motherfucker did not put his hand on the Bible.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: He probably didn't because if he did, he would have erupted into flames.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: 100%.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. hundred percent like yeah
Chasing Oz: like Or is he just that deep in the dementia dive that even after they told him to put his hand on the Bible, he didn't?
Veronica Adams: I think everything religious with them is pomp and circumstance. It's just to court the base and that and put on a good show for the people who vote for him.
Chasing Oz: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Chasing Oz: That's all it is.
Heather Roberts: and then he And then he's mad what a bishop actually preaches to him about like what Jesus would do.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: What Jesus actually taught.
Veronica Adams: Good old Christian values.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: Fuckin' man, the Mike Johnson's all pissed off about it too, bro.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: Like, you go to church, you should know better, my guy.
Heather Roberts: but I just don't understand. Like i i I was forced to go to church. ah a lot. i remember I was raised in a conservative evangelical Christian household. Okay. So I went to church on, I went to Sunday school.
Heather Roberts: I went to the that service in the afternoon. I went to church on Wednesday nights. We we went to church. Okay. I went to a Baptist school until third grade.
Heather Roberts: Like I, we were, yeah. So I just don't understand how this entire, I've been saying this for years, but like how the entire evangelical movement
Chasing Oz: It's nationalism.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, not at all.
Chasing Oz: it's not not It's not Christianity.
Veronica Adams: They're not Christian.
Chasing Oz: It's nationalism is what it is.
Veronica Adams: That's right. That's right.
Chasing Oz: And if you go back to, if you ever listened to Rachel Maddow's ultra podcast, I highly suggest that talks about the Nazi infiltration in America during World War II, like in leading up And there was this guy, Father Tom Conklin, and he had a radio show that he would preach.
Chasing Oz: And it it he was he was an intermediary for fucking Nazi propaganda. and he was here Because then then they had radio.
Chasing Oz: That's what you had.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, right.
Chasing Oz: Everybody listened to the radio shows.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: And he was passing Nazi propaganda through religious fucking bullshit and and they got caught.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: but the It's the same thing. And it started in the 2000s with the fucking country music after 9 -11. Every fucking song was a macho.
Chasing Oz: Americana. I'm gonna kick your ass. Fucking red, white, and blue.
Veronica Adams: Toby keeps putting a boot in everybody's ass.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Veronica Adams: That's right. Yep. Yeah.
Chasing Oz: And it shifted. It shifted. That's when the conservative value shift started.
Veronica Adams: yeah
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because it turned from religious -based what country was, which was Willie Nelson fucking living in the Promised Land, singing about how immigrants make America fucking better and how this is a melting pot for the fucking world.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Chasing Oz: And then you have interviews with the highwaymen, Chris Christofferson and fucking Willie and Johnny Cash talking about millionaires and billionaires and, you know, taking care of each other.
Veronica Adams: Mm -hmm. Yep.
Chasing Oz: Instead of the industrial like they're so far brainwashed by this idea that our foreign enemies have have seized on it because since
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: The 2016 election, it's been nothing but information warfare that's coming from foreign bad actors.
Heather Roberts: Oh, yeah.
Chasing Oz: And people get on the internet and and lap it up.
Veronica Adams: Mm hmm.
Chasing Oz: They love it because that's what the the America programmed them to do in the 20 years leading up to it.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Chasing Oz: It's been something that they've been at forever.
Heather Roberts: and
Heather Roberts: And the algorithms love it, too. And so that's what gets pushed out. I mean, i we were talking to a friend of ours last night. He has a huge TikTok following as well. And he was he's starting to make more political content, right? And so he just wanted to test like how the algorithm was going to to work.
Heather Roberts: So he went on Google, found like searched something, found a chart and just like didn't fact check it or anything. right And just threw it up there and just like made a ah ah really quick video about it.
Heather Roberts: Just wanted to see how people would react. like Would they fact check it or whatever? And he's like like, one person out of the bajillion comments was like, this isn't true.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: like One person. And he's like, ah ah just the dot like that just the the sheer idiocy
Chasing Oz: but ah ah Believe anything.
Veronica Adams: you
Heather Roberts: believe anything
Chasing Oz: that and And that's the problem.
Veronica Adams: We have no media literacy in this country whatsoever.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: None at all.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: Yeah. And that's part of the problem.
Veronica Adams: None at all.
Chasing Oz: And then there's also the problem that You have this grifting culture, especially on apps like TikTok where people are are live all day.
Veronica Adams: you know Yes.
Chasing Oz: They're battling in like during the election, the amount of like. Trump versus Biden or Trump versus Harris battles, I saw from TikTok creators that I'd never seen before and were like old enough to be one of my first periods.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: like you You are fetuses. You have zero idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: You sound
Veronica Adams: Right.
Chasing Oz: just as ignorant as you'd look, and people are sitting there and tuning in and listening to it.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: So there's a double -edged sword on TikTok where you have people like me that take time and effort and fact check, and then you have people that just do it because they want the clicks and the shock value or the conspiracy theory.
Heather Roberts: right
Chasing Oz: And during the election, people on our side of the sphere were falling down the, well, you know, he's not going to get inaugurated. just you just you wait it's coming and then there are the psychics and the the stars and all of it and i'm like
Heather Roberts: Oh my god. yeah
Chasing Oz: back here in reality, I just want you guys to stay grounded and understand that on the 20th, he's going to be inaugurated.
Heather Roberts: Oh my god.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: There's no stopping that. There's nothing magical coming that's going to change it. And people were so mad at me for reality.
Veronica Adams: For busting their bubbles?
Heather Roberts: I saw people got mad.
Chasing Oz: and and but but but And the reason that I kept everybody grounded is because in the days after the election,
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: people were so nasty to me.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: They were like, you said we were going to win. You said Florida was going to flip blue. Yeah. Well, when you go out to all these events and you see with your own two eyes, fucking 500 to 1 ,000 golf carts in the fucking villages with Doug Emhoff, and you're there with your own fucking two eyes in the mix of it all.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: which has never happened before, by the way, like, yeah.
Chasing Oz: Exactly. Like when you're there and you are seeing it in real life, You understood it was electric, but I couldn't make all those 19 million people who stayed home on election day show up.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: I can only do so much, and people were trying to hold me personally.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Well, fine then, unfollow me. I'm sorry that you did not like my hope.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: You did not like what I did. I did it all out of the kindness of my heart. Nobody was paying me. I was driving all over the fucking state to go to these events on my own dime.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: How dare you?
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Right. No, it's ridiculous to hold creators accountable for trying to literally just talk about what they believe in, you know, and try to support what they learned.
Chasing Oz: yep
Veronica Adams: The amount of entitlement that comes with a parasocial relationship is is pretty disgusting, actually.
Chasing Oz: It's insane sometimes. I'm very good about setting boundaries with people because i don't I don't tolerate it.
Heather Roberts: No.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: my My skin grew thick in the book world because the book world was very...
Heather Roberts: no
Heather Roberts: ah it could be v
Chasing Oz: like It was just starting to get really bad when I left, and I'm glad I left when I did because I don't think I could have stood much more.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: Yeah. But...
Heather Roberts: that it is It is a cut throat industry for sure with very little rules or guidelines.
Veronica Adams: For sure.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. Which is sad because when I started, it was a girls' girls' community.
Heather Roberts: Oh, yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: It was the camaraderie and the help that everybody gave each other and the hype that we hyped each other up.
Heather Roberts: Yup.
Chasing Oz: And then Kindle Unlimited happened and that was it.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: And then the the Kindle stuffers and everybody just wanted to monopolize and capitalize and...
Chasing Oz: Yep.
Veronica Adams: mi Me, me, me. How do I get to the top of this pile?
Chasing Oz: They beat the system. They figured out how they could.
Heather Roberts: Yup.
Veronica Adams: and
Chasing Oz: Yep. Yeah, ghost writers and fucking all of it.
Heather Roberts: And people... Yup. And now it's AI.
Veronica Adams: yeah Yeah, they've just replaced it with AI now.
Heather Roberts: That's the new generation.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Oh, and it'll be something else in another six months to a year.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Mm hmm.
Heather Roberts: Oh, I mean, just how it is.
Chasing Oz: And that's why it took me another fucking 10 years to write another book.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because at the end of the day, it's a roll of the dice. It's gonna cost a ton of money to put together on my own. And then what's gonna happen? Who fucking knows? Jeff Bezos is gonna tell me to fuck myself.
Chasing Oz: Nobody's gonna see it on his stupid shitty ass website. Where everybody goes to buy books.
Heather Roberts: what I mean, back in the day when you originally published, you know, like when you were starting to self publish, it was a much smaller pond too, you know, like it is so saturated now in the market.
Chasing Oz: Yeah. Oh yeah. It was a lot more quality back then.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.
Chasing Oz: The only people that were really doing well were those who did well, not just any anybody. Like there are so many people that are writing these days and I'm like, stop it.
Chasing Oz: You're not even good. Like, what why? Stop subjecting us to this and stop fooling yourself, thinking it's good. It's like saying 50 Shades of Grey was great. No, it was not.
Heather Roberts: No, appreciate it for what it was.
Chasing Oz: We all know it was shit.
Heather Roberts: we We loved it for a different reason.
Chasing Oz: It was a...
Heather Roberts: you know like
Chasing Oz: We loved it because it was a pioneer that opened a door. That was it.
Veronica Adams: that's great That's right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: The literary content of it was shit.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: If I had to hear about, like, her inner fucking goddess or whatever the fuck she was talking about one more goddamn time, bitch, just say you're a pussy.
Heather Roberts: like
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: Like literally no, but I don't know anybody who, and I love Fifty Shades of Grey, right? Like, I love it. But I don't know anybody who's like, that was an amazing literary masterpiece.
Veronica Adams: ab Absolutely no one.
Chasing Oz: Exactly And I'm not saying that I wrote any literary masterpieces I did not I wrote some straight -up porn you want to hear some fucking shit that Wouldn't be allowed in a school.
Heather Roberts: Like, no, and no one's saying it in a Chin Bay.
Heather Roberts: No, no.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, go read some Don Robertson You're looking for strap -ons and fucking whatnot on the chick to come to but like if you're looking for wholesome content Not not me
Heather Roberts: There you go.
Veronica Adams: Mm -hmm.
Heather Roberts: There's so many more sub -genres now though, like truly in the industry since you last, like, oh my God, there's so many.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Chasing Oz: When I left, when I left, it was when the Step Brothers was really hot.
Veronica Adams: Oh, this that brother era.
Heather Roberts: Oh, yes.
Chasing Oz: And I was like, yeah. I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here.
Heather Roberts: Yes.
Chasing Oz: I can't do this.
Heather Roberts: Everybody's stepbrothers something stepbrothers here.
Chasing Oz: Listen, you want to watch that? Go on the fucking Pornhub.
Veronica Adams: Well.
Chasing Oz: Get out of here.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: they i don't
Chasing Oz: We don't need and then and then it and then it pivoted to like step dad. And I'm like, OK, come on.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Veronica Adams: It's so much darker and taboo than that now. I don't know. Does book talk ever come across your radar when you're when you're creating or engaging with your content?
Chasing Oz: No. Not usually.
Heather Roberts: oh Oh, Danielle.
Veronica Adams: Oh, the girl, they're they're fiends for like serial killers now.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Like it is dark.
Chasing Oz: Oh, fuck.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Then they should read Good Girl by Dawn Robertson and Lily White. That was one of the OG pioneers of like bad shit.
Heather Roberts: There you go.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yes, yes.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, we were pushing envelope with that one.
Veronica Adams: yeah
Chasing Oz: It's a it's a kidnap. It's a kidnap.
Veronica Adams: they slit They have slid right past morally gray heroes into the basement of like, you know, he's got a black heart and the only light spot in it is how he feels about her, but he still may like kill her.
Heather Roberts: Oh, okay.
Heather Roberts: Yes.
Chasing Oz: Are we? Killer.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, it's dark.
Heather Roberts: Super dark.
Chasing Oz: Jesus Christ.
Veronica Adams: Yep. Oh, yeah.
Heather Roberts: All right.
Chasing Oz: I have a, I have a really, really, really, really, really good idea. I just need to like, I can't tell you because then people are going to know.
Heather Roberts: What's that? Oh, oh, like you have a good book idea.
Veronica Adams: yeah
Chasing Oz: Like I need to write it.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Chasing Oz: Like, yeah, like a really, like a, like a Don Robertson, like erotic thriller.
Heather Roberts: I got you. OK.
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Chasing Oz: I've had it on the back burner in the back of my head.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Now if I can just channel my ADHD into putting it on the paper because it
Heather Roberts: Yeah, you should.
Chasing Oz: I need to.
Heather Roberts: You know, you know who to call when you're ready.
Veronica Adams: Get some dictation software and just start speaking into it when you're doing other stuff.
Chasing Oz: I forgot about all the tech. like To me, I'm so old school that like I have to sit down and like start at the beginning.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: and
Veronica Adams: Uh -huh.
Heather Roberts: No, just grab a little dictation.
Veronica Adams: Pants that thing. Just start talking into the software until the book's done and then send it to an editor.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I mean, as you're not wrong. I got it i got a good editor.
Veronica Adams: There you go.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, exactly.
Chasing Oz: I still have all my people. Like, I just need to put everybody back to work.
Veronica Adams: There we go.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Everybody's still kind of doing the same stuff.
Veronica Adams: Gotta get the band back together.
Chasing Oz: I know the band back together.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, put them back together.
Chasing Oz: Who wants to Don Robertson come back?
Heather Roberts: That's right.
Veronica Adams: Yes! The reunion tour.
Heather Roberts: Does anybody know, like did do you ever talk about um your books on your platform?
Chasing Oz: Occasionally.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Okay.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, I have like my John Robertson author page in my, uh, my, my link tree.
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Chasing Oz: Uh, it's chasing us dot .bio. If anybody would like to drop by and look at all the links, but, uh, yeah, I have my John Roberts and stuff in there.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: it's still available on Amazon. I mean, every once in a while I'll get like 11 cents from Amazon deposited into my bank account.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Veronica Adams: About right.
Chasing Oz: And I'm like, thank you for the one person that read a book this month. Appreciate you.
Heather Roberts: i
Chasing Oz: You're the real MVP.
Heather Roberts: I'm assuming on Kindle Unlimited because that sounds like a page read.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, basically.
Veronica Adams: God, 11 cents for a book.
Chasing Oz: Something red hurts.
Heather Roberts: I know, right?
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: I mean, Jesus.
Chasing Oz: Killing it.
Heather Roberts: Killing it.
Chasing Oz: And everybody's like, authors are rich. OK.
Heather Roberts: OK, OK.
Veronica Adams: We need someone to come up with real competition for KU.
Heather Roberts: Oh, my God, that would be amazing. That'd be truly amazing.
Chasing Oz: I know.
Heather Roberts: I don't think it's happening in the next four years though, my friends.
Veronica Adams: Now, bigger problems to deal with, I suppose.
Chasing Oz: Mm -mm.
Heather Roberts: We do.
Veronica Adams: We'll be lucky to still have free speech in four years.
Chasing Oz: Right? I'm worried about that some days.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: The forced conformity, people, you know, reporting each other and, you know, I just.
Chasing Oz: You know, honestly, though, I'm just going to fucking go into the next four years with like the fucking I'm going to burn this shit to the ground mentality and I'm going to use my platform to rile everybody up with me because it's time for a revolution.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I don't give a fuck what anybody says.
Heather Roberts: and
Chasing Oz: Don't don't yell at me.
Heather Roberts: People say we're overreacting and then they, we start looking at the actual legislation and they're like, no, we're not.
Chasing Oz: Don't come at me.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: No, yeah, no, it's time. It's past time.
Heather Roberts: And I mean, they got rid of Roe v. Wade. I mean, we are, yeah it's already gone way too far.
Chasing Oz: We should have let this happen. It's already gotten too far. And it's complacency.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: wait Yeah.
Chasing Oz: It's all it is.
Heather Roberts: People are, people are comfortable.
Chasing Oz: It's people are comfortable in their fucking day to day lives.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: You know, everybody went to the polls and they said that they were voting for egg prices and gasoline prices. Well, I don't know about you, but I went down to my little my grocery store at the end of my street on fucking inauguration day.
Chasing Oz: And I paid $10 .69 for an 18 pack of eggs here in Florida. So you want to talk about egg prices.
Veronica Adams: Good God.
Heather Roberts: I just have $7 for a dozen eggs here in Vermont.
Chasing Oz: it the Egg prices are up 37 % this week. So, you know,
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: egg prices.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: You guys voted for it. One of the first executive orders is fucking stripped the price caps on prescription drugs that Joe Biden got put in place. Well, enjoy your $4 ,000 insulin now because that's what's going to happen.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: but We're right back to square one.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: It's really frustrating. So yeah, yell and scream. And that's also why we're doing this because we have, I think, especially as business owners, right in this industry, we've always been like, Oh, well, we don't want to step on too many toes or we don't want the time is gone.
Heather Roberts: Come and go on for that. Okay.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, no, the last thing that we have left is our dollar to impact the the people.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. That's right.
Heather Roberts: And our voices, and we have to use them, you know.
Chasing Oz: Maybe some more Luigi's.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I'll borrow your party.
Veronica Adams: A whole Mario party, honestly.
Chasing Oz: Right? Add Mario in there, the princess.
Veronica Adams: Yes. Wait, we need them all. but Listen.
Chasing Oz: King Cooper.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: I'd take the bad guys too. Give me a Bowser. Give me eat like whoever you got.
Chasing Oz: Yoshi.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Veronica Adams: Oh, Yoshi.
Chasing Oz: I'll be the princess. We're good to go.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: I mean, we're, we're in a weird ass time and we can't keep going on like we're not.
Veronica Adams: Mm -hmm.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: So for those who are listening who are like, well, this is a little edgier than their normal content. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be no, but it's fine.
Chasing Oz: That's what happens when I show up.
Heather Roberts: I mean, it's, we've sort of been moving in this direction and it's going to be so.
Chasing Oz: but Troublemaker.
Veronica Adams: For sure.
Chasing Oz: Listen.
Veronica Adams: Well, listen, our livelihood is the publishing industry. That's how we make our money supporting authors.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. And romance books.
Veronica Adams: And if there isn't free speech and our authors can't publish their books and their ability to be creative is under attack, then so is our ability to support ourselves and fuck anyone who's going to get in the way of that.
Chasing Oz: And there they're coming for all the platforms.
Heather Roberts: Oh, how do you feel about that?
Chasing Oz: They're coming for the TikTok. They're coming for the places that we use as community squares.
Veronica Adams: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Advertising with Unity Squares, yeah.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Chasing Oz: Yep, the places that we use to connect. Now, I encourage everybody to go over to Lowe's and invest in some tar, we're going to start tar and feathering some motherfuckers.
Veronica Adams: and hol Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Because you know at this point, what more can we do?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: you know We can only march in the streets so much.
Heather Roberts: All right.
Chasing Oz: That's not working.
Veronica Adams: It doesn't really get anybody's attention and and impact and make an impact or enact any sort of pain.
Chasing Oz: Not anymore.
Heather Roberts: no They don't care. They're just like, oh, just ignore them.
Chasing Oz: Not anymore.
Heather Roberts: Just ignore them.
Veronica Adams: They make, they make fun of us on Fox news and Newsmax, and then they move on with the next thing they want to do to roll us back to the dark ages.
Heather Roberts: They'll go away.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, because the but rich are the ruling class now.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: Mm -hmm.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Chasing Oz: The billionaires are the ones in charge. It's not the lawmakers.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Citizens United made corporations people.
Veronica Adams: Girl.
Chasing Oz: And now this is what we've gotten. Now the billionaires run the show.
Veronica Adams: Yes. Yes. Dark, dirty corporate money.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, I heard someone call it a broligarchy, and it it is the most accurate thing I've ever heard.
Chasing Oz: Yep.
Veronica Adams: For sure.
Chasing Oz: It's exactly what it is.
Veronica Adams: For sure.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Revenge of the Nerd.
Chasing Oz: All of the Silicon Valley fucking rich billionaires that they've been complaining about, drain the swamp the past fucking eight years, you handed the keys over.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Oh, yeah.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Chasing Oz: do We subsidize Elon Musk as a government.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Oh, yeah. His government contracts?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: We pay his bills.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I love when people are like, well, at least he supports his kids.
Veronica Adams: Uh -huh.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: No, bitch, you do.
Veronica Adams: We do.
Heather Roberts: You do.
Chasing Oz: I do.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. yeah
Chasing Oz: Because of the amount of money we give his companies every year.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Chasing Oz: I say we stop giving these big corporation government handouts.
Heather Roberts: I agree.
Veronica Adams: nay
Heather Roberts: 100%. Make them pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Chasing Oz: Wait. eat Defund the billionaires.
Veronica Adams: Listen. Listen. they're They're after DEI, right?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Like, that's right.
Chasing Oz: the They're all DEI. The only reason that they're DE anything is because they have dollars. That's it.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: yeah Yeah.
Chasing Oz: That's what their D is because it's It's not their dicks We've heard about all that Like come on I'm so over rich people again Luigi
Veronica Adams: It's not a meritocracy around here. it For sure.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. It's corporate welfare. Corporate welfare. Yeah.
Heather Roberts: I mean, there's, listen, we all strive to be wealthy, right?
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: We all strive to be wealthy. But I'd like to think that if I had that much fucking money, I would not be that guy. You know, I wouldn't be.
Heather Roberts: And I wouldn't, because I wouldn't have that much money, I would give away the money.
Veronica Adams: I mean, Mark Cuban and Taylor Swift exists.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Like,
Chasing Oz: What gets me, though, is where are all of the Elon Musk cancer wings?
Veronica Adams: Thank you.
Heather Roberts: thank
Chasing Oz: Where are all of the Mark Zuckerberg Research Institutes?
Veronica Adams: Libraries. Huh.
Heather Roberts: Well, because back in the day, okay, back in like, in, in earlier America, right, we've had, you know, for a skill range, we've had people who are this rich in the country.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. Yeah.
Veronica Adams: The first Gilded Age.
Heather Roberts: The difference is we as a society,
Chasing Oz: had a different tax structure too.
Heather Roberts: All that too, but we also essentially shamed them if they didn't do things with their money that were in the public good, right?
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: They would not have had a good reputation in the community and in society if they didn't, you know, have a national park, put money towards a national park or whatever the fuck, okay?
Veronica Adams: Right.
Veronica Adams: you You can't throw a stone in New York without hitting something that the Rockefellers paid for, and you can't throw a stone in Pittsburgh without hitting something the Carnegie's paid for.
Chasing Oz: Exactly.
Heather Roberts: Correct.
Chasing Oz: i
Chasing Oz: the flag lures down here in Florida.
Veronica Adams: Come on now.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Veronica Adams: Exactly, exactly.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: and And the plants on the other side.
Heather Roberts: We apparently, as a society, you know, have stopped the public shaming and have just like, oh, you get to keep all your money for yourself.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, exactly.
Chasing Oz: But also, and yeah but that's also a point in time in America where the corporate tax rate was 50%.
Veronica Adams: Uh -huh.
Veronica Adams: Great.
Heather Roberts: What?
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I say we start taxing the corporations the way that they should be taxed.
Heather Roberts: I agree.
Chasing Oz: tax the 1 % the way they should be taxed and fucking bring back where we were in the Industrial Revolution. You want to invest in America?
Veronica Adams: yeah
Heather Roberts: That's how to do it.
Chasing Oz: Tax wealthy. Because you don't see people like that doing good. Elon Musk was like, if you give me the plan to solve world hunger, I'll fund it. They gave him the plan.
Heather Roberts: You didn't know anything.
Chasing Oz: He didn't do anything.
Veronica Adams: And, you know, we've been.
Chasing Oz: He's a troll. That's all he is. He's not smart.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: He hasn't invented anything. He's bought other people's good ideas.
Veronica Adams: Yep.
Chasing Oz: It's all he's ever fucking done.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: He's not an engineer. He doesn't have an engineering degree.
Heather Roberts: Nope.
Chasing Oz: He's just a fucking rich frat bro that bought other fucking men's smart ideas.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, that's 100 % truth.
Veronica Adams: And we've been waiting 45 years for Reagan's trickle down to start trickling down.
Chasing Oz: Trickle down.
Veronica Adams: And the only thing that's trickling down is is the working class getting, well, exactly.
Chasing Oz: the wealth up to them.
Veronica Adams: It's a reverse it's a reverse trickle and everybody at the bottom is getting pissed on.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Like that's the only thing that's trickling down.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: but you know And then you see like this past week, i i my kids love NASCAR, former NASCAR driver, Tony Stewart.
Veronica Adams: Oh, God.
Chasing Oz: Not a millionaire, not a billionaire, not a fucking not a not a tech bro, not a one percenter.
Veronica Adams: He's just a good old boy from Indiana.
Chasing Oz: He's just a guy. He funded a cancer wing for kids at a hospital local to where he was that'll
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Handle something like 20 2 ,500 kids a year and like he's not even that rich Like We're fucked Yeah Yeah, like I just There's no and there's nobody and they're not doing anything good.
Heather Roberts: Wow.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: I mean, he's rich enough to do that, but he probably had some angel investors and he probably raised some money with his goodwill in his name and his brand, like,
Heather Roberts: But he's not he's not. Yeah.
Heather Roberts: He's not lost Grinch or Bingo Grinch.
Veronica Adams: Listen, if Mark Cuban can sell prescriptions for cost plus 10%, any billionaire can do something good for the rest of us.
Heather Roberts: No.
Chasing Oz: I
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Yep, they just don't have the desire to.
Veronica Adams: That's right.
Heather Roberts: They don't want to, yeah.
Chasing Oz: Nope.
Veronica Adams: they They want to get all the tax breaks they can and apparently have a dick measuring contest on Mars someday.
Heather Roberts: Oh my god,
Veronica Adams: Like,
Heather Roberts: right.
Chasing Oz: Okay, let's just put them all in a rocket and send them now, just like the the millionaires and the Titanic.
Veronica Adams: please, please, they can go.
Chasing Oz: Can we just send them to the Titanic?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Send them anywhere. Just fucking zoom them out to Mars.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Chasing Oz: Elon Musk wants to go to Mars. Let's send him.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: That's something I'll fund.
Veronica Adams: I mean, he's not the only one.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Oh, I will solely, I'll do the GoFundMe.
Veronica Adams: Jeff wants to go with him.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, there you go.
Chasing Oz: I'll fucking raise the funds to send, I don't care how, a billion dollars?
Heather Roberts: People would support that.
Chasing Oz: I could do that.
Heather Roberts: People would totally support that.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, for sure.
Chasing Oz: Absolutely. Send him to the sun. How about that?
Veronica Adams: Ooh.
Heather Roberts: Oh, that would be the matter.
Chasing Oz: That looks like some fucking fun adventure, right? where Where do they go that they'll just explode like in the Titanic?
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Could we send them there?
Heather Roberts: Like the submersible.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Just send them down with one of those Logitech controllers. They'll be fine.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Oh, my God, that was so wild. I can't even. Oh,
Veronica Adams: The hubris. I mean, how?
Chasing Oz: Fuck my life.
Veronica Adams: Right.
Heather Roberts: my God.
Veronica Adams: I know.
Chasing Oz: All we need to do is get them in something like that.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: We also need leaders who will actually represent us. I mean, the the the biggest problem is There are 535 people on Capitol Hill who are conducting insider 533, right?
Chasing Oz: The Nancy
Veronica Adams: Because Bernie and AOC don't do it, but they're the only two who don't.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: We need to, yeah, there needs to be a ban on congressional members, owning, dabbling in stocks.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: and look Yes. wait We need term limits. we We need to discuss age limits.
Chasing Oz: all
Veronica Adams: We definitely need to ban insider trading and corporate or and congressional investing and trading.
Chasing Oz: Listen, if you can fall and break your hip, you need to retire.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: If you can be missing in an assisted living facility for six months and not showing up to vote other than by proxy, you have no business being in Congress.
Chasing Oz: Right?
Heather Roberts: Yeah, 100%.
Chasing Oz: Who's in charge?
Heather Roberts: different
Chasing Oz: Who's taking attendance?
Veronica Adams: Somebody go get your meme all and take her home.
Chasing Oz: What's happening?
Chasing Oz: This is fucking government.
Veronica Adams: She has no business being a Congress person.
Chasing Oz: Did nobody notice she was missing?
Heather Roberts: It's wild.
Chasing Oz: Somebody knew where the fuck she was.
Heather Roberts: They did.
Veronica Adams: but Somebody was voting for her by proxy, I believe.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Mother fuck, yeah.
Veronica Adams: which Mike Johnson wants to prevent ah women women who are of childbearing age from doing that themselves.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: Dude, there's a story actually coming out of Vermont. I don't know if you've seen this. You saw this about the women that were being monitored during, yeah, dude, they're in trouble too.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Yeah.
Chasing Oz: They were fucking, they were, the ah ah DCF was like fabricating shit and monitoring women without their knowledge while they were in labor.
Chasing Oz: and Oh yeah, that's, no bueno.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. The big story in Vermont, I mean, and people in Vermont are not going to stand for that. Like we don't, that's not a, yeah, that is a do not fuck with that shit up here.
Chasing Oz: No, don't tread on me.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, people are, yeah, yeah.
Veronica Adams: I've been in jerry's at their back door one of these days.
Chasing Oz: Dude, that's some shit.
Heather Roberts: Well, that is a lot of things and it's it's an interesting place up here. You know, people are, we have a Republican governor that everybody keeps, you know, voting for.
Chasing Oz: Sununu, right?
Heather Roberts: ah No, Phil skye so Scott, Phil Scott.
Chasing Oz: OK, different guy.
Heather Roberts: Sununu wasn't, yeah, but our, well yeah, but the actual legislative body is like overwhelmingly Democrat, progressive, liberal, like depending upon
Chasing Oz: Oh, I think he's New Hampshire.
Chasing Oz: Same shit.
Heather Roberts: you know, progressive party, we have that up here.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: We have some independence in there, but progressively left, mostly left leaning, okay.
Veronica Adams: I think most people would call your Republican governor a Rhino, you know?
Heather Roberts: Many would, but people up here would not.
Veronica Adams: Well, fair enough.
Heather Roberts: So it's like fascinating, you know, how how that sort of politics work out. But my point being is that people who are not liking the reporting that's coming out about the, yeah, well, how, oh yeah.
Veronica Adams: Better than Danielle's Republican governor.
Chasing Oz: Oh, he's the worst.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, hell of a lot better.
Chasing Oz: I hate him.
Heather Roberts: Listen, I like Phil Scott.
Chasing Oz: I can't wait until he's gone for good.
Heather Roberts: Phil Scott's okay. like I don't love everything he stands for, but I don't hate everything he says.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: He's a moderate Republican. He's what Republicans used to be, okay?
Chasing Oz: So you mean him and Joe Biden are on the same spectrum?
Heather Roberts: ah ah Essentially, yeah.
Chasing Oz: I used to fucking hate it when people would be like, Joe Biden's such a leftist.
Heather Roberts: You know
Chasing Oz: What the fuck are you talking about? Joe Biden and literally was ah ah basically a Republican.
Heather Roberts: he's not.
Chasing Oz: He was such a fucking centrist in his entirety of his career that if he was going to identify with any party a bitch, he should have been like a traditional old school GOP Republican, like like real Republican values.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Right. Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: The biggest lie is that Democrats are leftists when in fact they're centrists and the, I mean, this entire country has moved to the right over about two and a half generations.
Chasing Oz: Joe Biden.
Chasing Oz: Right?
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: Dude, this is, yeah, so centrist.
Veronica Adams: Uh -huh.
Chasing Oz: So all the Democrats now, all of them, except for like Bernie, AOC, like the squad.
Veronica Adams: Yes. Yes.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Oh, Bernie. Oh my God.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Bernie as a Vermont, like, you know, i but but yeah the last one with the mittens and he literally everybody's up chat clapping and cheering and Bernie's just sitting there, you know, all we love.
Chasing Oz: I love him. At the inauguration, he he I was so glad to see him there with his fucking little post on his face sitting in the same position he did the last.
Veronica Adams: Grandpa ain't happy.
Chasing Oz: Bernie was like, Bernie was like, fuck y 'all.
Heather Roberts: party
Heather Roberts: Love Bernie. That, that is the Vermont vibe.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Okay. That is.
Chasing Oz: Bernays my mood for the next four years.
Heather Roberts: Yeah. Another reason why you need to move to Vermont and get out of Florida.
Chasing Oz: I need to do something. I need to get the fuck out of here before I get hit by another goddamn hurricane.
Heather Roberts: Yes.
Veronica Adams: oh
Heather Roberts: Yeah. so that evening yeah
Veronica Adams: Well, and if they get, that they get rid of FEMA, you guys are in trouble.
Chasing Oz: Dude! but I - I - Jesus take the wheel.
Heather Roberts: yeah
Chasing Oz: I - I mean, I don't even know what to do anymore. I'm trapped.
Veronica Adams: Like seven out of 10 of you can't even get homeowners insurance anymore.
Chasing Oz: No, I haven't had homeowners insurance in years, years since COVID.
Heather Roberts: god
Heather Roberts: Oh my
Chasing Oz: They canceled my policy during COVID because I couldn't put a new roof on my house. Yeah, i I'm laid off. Let me just fucking pull some money out of my asshole.
Heather Roberts: ah Cop up 30 grand.
Veronica Adams: Right?
Chasing Oz: Fuck.
Heather Roberts: Yeah, that's wild.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, no, it's a mess down here. It's a mess.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: And actually, there was a pump station in my neighborhood that needed to be repaired after Hurricane Ian, which flooded our house the first time. And Ron DeSantis, line item vetoed that pump station.
Chasing Oz: So it never got repaired. So when Hurricane Milton came through in September or October, was in Africa and my house flooded again Same exact damage from Ian everything that we fixed from Ian was trash Back to square one and yeah, so good times great oldies.
Heather Roberts: i
Heather Roberts: Yeah, kind of love Florida.
Chasing Oz: I Don't want to do it again and again and again I'm over it the real estate market here has shit the bed
Veronica Adams: yeah
Chasing Oz: It's a mess.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: Ron DeSantis has really driven the state right into the ground.
Heather Roberts: Well, and now they want to, you know, they're proposing to let states deal with their own problems and have FEMA just be not a part of it.
Veronica Adams: That's because they they don't want to help California right now.
Chasing Oz: Yeah.
Heather Roberts: unbeliev
Veronica Adams: That's ultimately what that's all about.
Chasing Oz: Well, the problem is, is that, you know, they don't realize the blue states are the ones that support the red states. They need those dollars because if not, the red states are literally going to bankrupt, like expediently.
Veronica Adams: Yeah. Yeah.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: 100%, 100%. So, oh, this has been awesome, guys.
Chasing Oz: Math is hard.
Heather Roberts: Thank you, Danielle, for coming on.
Veronica Adams: So is logic. like
Chasing Oz: Anytime. Anytime.
Heather Roberts: And if you have not checked her out, do drop your handles. What is your handles everywhere?
Chasing Oz: You can find me at Chasing Oz, like the Wizard of Oz everywhere, YouTube, Instagram, threads, TikTok, all of the good places. ah You can also find me at Chasing Oz ah dot substack dot com I write almost every day there.
Heather Roberts: Bye
Chasing Oz: And ah ah yeah, if you guys were Dawn Robertson fans back in the day, I write some personal pieces over there if you miss my writing.
Heather Roberts: bye.
Chasing Oz: if you If you really miss my writing, I am working on a new book, but this is my very first nonfiction book.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: I'm writing about my relationship with my late sister. Who I lost in 2011. So it's been a therapeutic journey to write about our our relationship together She was a she was a fucking cool chick And halfway through like writing it it kind of morphed into like an ode to my daughter too So it's gonna be like a yeah, it's gonna be like a feel -good kind of Little kind of peek behind the curtain into the personal of of me
Heather Roberts: i love that
Heather Roberts: yeah
Veronica Adams: Nice.
Heather Roberts: world of tap
Chasing Oz: Which I've, met yeah, which I've never kind of, I'm very, you know, my family's not on the internet. They don't want, they, they come on when they want to on their own terms, but it's, you know, that's their thing.
Heather Roberts: I love that.
Chasing Oz: I don't, this is me.
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: I do this as a job and you know, they separate. And even my daughter, when we did the heiress tour, she had to like, she was like the editor. She had to see, like, the final cut of everything before I used any of it for, like, anything.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
Chasing Oz: And I'm like, ugh, okay.
Veronica Adams: Really?
Chasing Oz: Not that I just didn't pay, like, all this money to bring you to Amsterdam for this fucking show, but here, yeah, you be the...
Heather Roberts: Right.
Chasing Oz: the boss.
Heather Roberts: I love it. I love it. Well, check her out and check out Dawn Robertson novels as well, because I imagine.
Veronica Adams: For
Chasing Oz: Oh.
Chasing Oz: Yeah, if you like strong female characters, that's what I wrote, badass bitches.
Veronica Adams: sure.
Heather Roberts: Love it.
Veronica Adams: Love it.
Heather Roberts: So. Well, come and join us again. Our next episode is going to be a follow -up for the Justin Baldin Baldoni. I don't know why I keep butchering his last name.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, Blake Lively.
Heather Roberts: b And Blake Lively, it ends with us drama. There has been more lawsuits filed. More clips and things have been released.
Veronica Adams: Yes.
Heather Roberts: So that's what we're going to be talking about on our next episode. So come back with us then. So thank you again, Danielle. And we will see you next time.
Chasing Oz: Thank you for having me.
Veronica Adams: Yeah, thanks.
Heather Roberts: Yeah.
