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SERIAL - Josef Mengele Angel of Death (Part 1)
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April 27, 2022 is Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day - which this episode is dedicated to. I will be telling Lisa the history and background of one of the most prolific serial killers, in my opinion, that has ever lived. Josef Mengele walked through his life acting like God, continually choosing a path that lead those around him to death. There will be a part 2 coming out next week, giving some of the survivors testimonies and comments, which is beautifully heartbreaking. Both episodes we caution listener discretion, as the material is dark and very disturbing.
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Introduction and Trigger Warning
00:00:06
Speaker
Hello again and welcome to Twisted Tales with Faith and Lisa. And we're so glad you guys are joining us tonight. First of all, we wanna say thank you to those of you who have listened to us in the two and a half weeks we have done this. It'll be three weeks, three full weeks by the time you hear this, but we just really appreciate that. We hope that you like it. Hope that you noticed the better quality because we did get new equipment. Thank you, my husband.
00:00:32
Speaker
Um, anyway, before we start tonight, I just want to issue a massive trigger warning. Um, tonight's content is probably the darkest of the dark. There is every kind of abuse and killing and naming and murdering.
00:00:51
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that has ever been also anti-sematic viewpoints and racial viewpoints in basically that this is the worst, most horrible person I think I've ever heard about or researched. And I did know a little bit, but digging into this has probably stained a part of me that
00:01:13
Speaker
will never ever be able to forget. So Lisa has no idea where we're going unless you just figured it out. No actually I have no idea but I'm kind of nervous. Alright let's start out with the reason why I chose this topic. Part of the reason I wanted to do a podcast is you know every month has a different cause or a different
00:01:36
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Um, something that needs to be highlighted. Like when I, the last time I spoke, it was sexual assault awareness. And I gave me Lisa McVay story.
Choosing the Holocaust Topic
00:01:46
Speaker
So tonight I am going to be talking about the Holocaust because April 26 is Israel's Holocaust remembrance. Um, there are tons of different Holocaust remembrance dates throughout the year.
00:02:02
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Each day is significant. January 26th or 27th, I believe, is a big one because that's the day they were liberated. But in Israel, they go with April because that is when the Holocaust and the concentration canceled started. So I want to kind of start with, even though there's no explanation, explaining a few things.
Focus on Joseph Mengele
00:02:27
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The primary focus of tonight is going to be on Joseph Mengele.
00:02:32
Speaker
Oh, there we go. So and honestly, I'm going to give some quote unquote justifications for his behavior, even though please hear me, there is no justification. And I'm going to take a very, very firm standpoint that if you are one of the people who believe the Holocaust did not happen, agree to disagree. Please don't at me. I don't want any comments about it because you're not going to change my mind.
00:03:03
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and it's disrespectful to people that live through it. So. Could not agree more. Sorry if we lose viewers on that standpoint, but that's not the main reason we're doing this. That's OK. We have more seats. There you go. There you go.
Mengele's Upbringing and Early Ambitions
00:03:16
Speaker
All right. So at the end of the 1920s, Germany was still reeling from the defeat of World War I, promoting them into the first big wave of anti-Semitic thought.
00:03:28
Speaker
Also brewing during the same time point during the 20s and the 30s, it was a big time in the field of genetics due to the Mandela model. Do you remember what the Mandela model is, Lisa?
00:03:40
Speaker
So it was based on George Mandel. He's one of the first scientists who actually studied genetics and became the backbone for all modern genetic studies. I don't know if they still do it today, but I remember in high school, they made you do the little plant square where dominant recessive traits, that's his. So he was basically able to tell you like, you got a blue eyed mom and a brown eyed dad. What are the percentages or the chances of each color eye the kid could have?
00:04:06
Speaker
So this is coming out right when the Nazis are huge into creating that perfect race. So couldn't have been at a worse time if that was discovered, but they had twisted anything at this point. So that's fine. I don't know if I'm just intervening too early here, but I know that a lot of things went on in those camps. And if the country had never gone through that, we wouldn't have known half the stuff we know about a lot of things.
00:04:34
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And it was something that we learned in our ethics class when I was in college. It was like, you know, what's the greater good here? Yeah. Well, that's, that's what I said. I'm just saying. That's why I said before, when I was prepping you that I could talk about this subject, we could do like a year long podcast and not even scratch the surface. Oh, I know. Cause everything that went down there was just.
00:04:54
Speaker
Yeah, all right, I'm sorry, continue. All right, so in March 1911, in Guzenberg, Germany, I'm gonna apologize if I butcher some of the pronunciations. I butcher all pronunciations, even American. Yeah, she can't even speak English. You should see me type or text. Anyway, he was the oldest of his children. His parents owned a farming supply
00:05:21
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chain so they you can actually I heard in one of the one of the researchers that did today you can still buy a track a Mandela tractor seriously yeah anyways um so because his parents were very influential they provided jobs due to the factory and store he his family probably had a little bit more clout than our the rest
00:05:45
Speaker
He was also a little more well to do. Yes. And because Joseph was the oldest, he was given trust to work in his parents business to supervise the transportation between their store and the factory. So as a teenager, he was bossing adults around.
00:06:02
Speaker
Okay. So that doesn't give you a little power complex. Okay. Um, so they said that he, like, if you talk to people about, about when he was, when he was a teenager and during this time it was like, they said he was classified as charming, articulate, and handsome, however, kind of lazy. So I think you're typical, like Richie Rich, like what we say, stereotypical frat kid, that like parents pay for everything. They have absolutely no reality of real life and they have no ambition. They don't have
00:06:32
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Yeah. So. It's not even a lack of ambition. Like they have ambition to make money. They just don't exactly. They just know it's going to be handed to them. Like I'm going to inherit. I'm going to inherit this and I can run this is what I know. And I say it's a stereotypical because that's what in movies and stuff, not like I'm saying every rich person is like this, but.
00:06:51
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Yeah, guys, we don't care if you're rich. In fact, be rich and give us money. Yeah. We'll set up a Patreon if you want us to just so you can give us money. There you go. Because we are not rich. Definitely not. We would be bossed around by that teenage boy. Absolutely. Anyway. Six figures a year. You go ahead. You tell me what to do. Please. Absolutely. So in looks he was said to take after his father. He was always immaculate addressed. Better than those around him.
00:07:20
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However, in behavior, he seemed to take after his mother. His father was a really hardworking guy, really ethical. I mean, well, not ethical, but you know. Like super down to earth kind of. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, he remembered his roots, I guess, and he was a nice guy, but he was always just, he was just top line.
Education and Twisted Science
00:07:38
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So that, Joseph took after him and that. But according to different historians and authors, his mother, whose name was Val Burdiga,
00:07:46
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would be warm and maternal one moment and then it was like a flip switch and she was just anger and rageful and yelling at everyone around her. I was... Manic. Bipolar. I was gonna say, one of the podcasts I listened to on this subject, there was a doctor who actually commented in on several times and he said, in this day and age, she would probably be diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
00:08:13
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And that's how she was, at least the way she was talked about, that's how. So while Mandela's father, whose name was Carl, was in charge of the factory, his wife, Val Berger, were the ones the employees feared. It said that she would pop into the factory at any time, and if anything was out of place, not clean enough, or just not the way she wanted it to look, she would fly into a rage on the worker that was closest to her, whether it was their fault or not.
00:08:38
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So that kind of tells you and that split personality detail you will see in Joseph. Like some of the stuff that I learned about him that we'll talk about later is just, I don't know, we'll get there. I'm gonna go ahead and state for the record, I'll say things like manic or psycho or whatever. I have absolutely no background whatsoever when it comes to the human mind, but. Our only background is in shows like Criminal Minds.
00:09:09
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Like we can say that we know these things because we see them on TV. But it's like Google. Not everything on the Internet is true. Right. So, you know, we're saying it with a grain of salt and we have very strong opinions. So those fly out of our mouth without any thought. Sorry, guys, there's there's a lack of filter on the side. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:09:30
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So in the 1930s, he went to Munich to study and while there he joined a paramilitary organization for boys. That organization was eventually absorbed into the Nazi party. While he was a part of it, you know, he wanted to be a leader and he gave a lot of speeches and rallies and, you know, hoorah for nationalism.
00:09:51
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And while in his younger years, up until about this point, he was classified as pretty lazy. It's like a flip was switched when he went to Munich and he wanted to be like important. Right. It was actually one of his school friends said when they graduated, he looked at him and said, my name's going to be in a cyclopedia one day. Oh, okay. So ambitions. It was, but then for the worst reason possible.
00:10:15
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So by 1934, he finished his degree in anthropology. And I want to say a side note, when I hear anthropology, I think like Indiana Jones.
00:10:25
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Right. So I was like, how is that a doctor? Like I'm okay. IQ is not real high here, but I was like, how is he a doctor? If he's looking at like old stuff, that doesn't make any sense. But apparently there's four branches of anthropology and I didn't know that. And he was part of the biological anthropology and he's definitely not Indian adjuncts. No, he's not that cool. But this, this section seeks to understand how humans adapt to different environments and how they react to diseases, et cetera. So there's that.
Nazi Involvement and Racial Agenda
00:10:55
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He wanted to know how science could help with the quote unquote Jewish problem Germany faced. And he became aware of social Darwinism because that was a big thing at that point. Darwinism is the theory that races or groups of humans are subject to the same natural selection and laws that are seen in plants and animals. He took this principle, however, and twisted it to fit a hateful narrative against the non-Germans.
00:11:23
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and also applied it to sociopolitical or economic matters. And so just if nobody knows like the history of any of that, that really, really was what it was all about. It was a super race. It was one man, Adolf Hitler, who really and truly believed that he was better than absolutely everybody. And he, he needed to be the master of the universe. Like that was,
00:11:50
Speaker
his own twisted and I'm sure you know maybe one day we can do something on that too but like understand that all of these people were so like minded well and it was that's why I started with what was going on at the time because they they just lost world war one yes so they're already like when you lose the war it's you're already kind of down on everyone around you
00:12:12
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And you want to you want to talk about why you're the best, why you're the the biggest, the brightest. And so Germany was already like this base. I mean, it was a boiling pot already. And when Hitler came on the scene talking about anti-Semitism, sorry, cemetery. I know. OK, yeah. I can't even help you. Oh, my God. We're embarrassed, guys.
00:12:35
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of us anyway. Yeah, just accept us with our flaws. Like during World War One, there was a lot of really, really sketchy stuff that went on during World War One that wasn't really talked about. You know, everyone just thinks like, oh, well, you know, they teamed up on this side and they're just going to come and shut down everybody to be the power. But like,
00:12:53
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things that were going on behind the scenes, which is kind of where you're, where you're going right now, is people that were doing experiments that were so ludicrous. Oh gosh, yeah. It is not, this is not, this is the thing that I think is important to note is this is, the Nazis are, you know, everyone knows about the Holocaust and the Nazis and what happened there, the concentration camp, but it's not like this is a
00:13:18
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This is not just a German problem. No, like they're not the only it's not like they're so horrible and Hitler was so horrible. They're the only nationality to ever do this. It is throughout history. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's the way they experimented on people all over the people with autism that would give lobotomies to it all is it's even if you don't look at the experimentation on humans, it's the way we treat anybody that looks different than us.
00:13:45
Speaker
Some of the things that I've even seen in the past, like Stalin was just as bad and Stalin wasn't even a part of it until I'm sorry, I continue anyway. So in 1935, he graduated with a PhD in anthropology and he secured a position. And I want to make sure I get the name of this gem correct. He joined the Institute for hereditary biology and racial hygiene.
00:14:13
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So the Institute for Hereditary Biology and Racial Hygiene, which was in Franklin. But I don't understand the title of that. So does that mean Germans only or only pretty white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed individuals? Basically, they're studying how to make, how to racially cleanse the world is kind of what. Wow. And they've got a website, which I'll link it in the show notes
The Nuremberg Laws
00:14:37
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and on our website.
00:14:39
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but, and it'll be on our Instagram feed and our Facebook, but they've got a website still that talks about what this institute did, which I'm just going to refer to it at this point on as the institute. We could just call it the racist institute. We could. I'd be screwed, I wouldn't be able to go in. Brown hair, brown eyes, dark skin. That'd be done so. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, sorry. So there he assisted Professor Vichara, I believe is how you say his name, and he was a renowned
00:15:09
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Extremely racist scientists. Okay, so for sure it was interested among many things in tracing the role hereditary played In disease examining the genetic abnormalities and the transfer between generations and looking at environmental factors on genetic defects so genetic defect meaning oh Anybody who's not white blue. I didn't
00:15:35
Speaker
Yes. So the Institute helped further the eugenics agenda of the Nazis by providing material to support their theories and implementing the Nuremberg Laws. So the Nuremberg Laws is two race-based measures to deprive Jews of rights. The first measure, which I cannot pronounce the actual names of these laws, but they both fall under the Nuremberg Laws.
00:16:00
Speaker
but the first one was deprived Jews of German citizenship, designated them as subjects of the state. So they're not even like real people anymore. The second portion of the law was a law for the protection of German blood and German honor, which forbade the marriage or sexual relationships between Jews and German citizens. Okay. So like if I was going to, if I was going to give you a, uh, like, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Reference here.
00:16:30
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We'll take it to the Harry Potter books, right? No mudbloods? Yes, and they actually called it like the pure blood law. Yeah, the pure bloods and the mudbloods. 100%. Sorry. Baltimore. Baltimore. That is a great yes.
00:16:43
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That's a great analogy. You're welcome. I like where you took that. Thank you. These laws eventually led to taking away the rights for Jewish individuals to vote to hold public office. They couldn't practice medicine. It branched into controlling several other areas of Jewish life, eventually leading to the genocide of the Jews and any other non-German people.
00:17:10
Speaker
I mean, I get the Jews were extremely persecuted in the Holocaust. No question in my mind. But everyone else that was persecuted, that are left out of like, I mean, when we were kids, the Holocaust was actually taught in school and believed to be a true event. But it was always about to talk about the Jews. Like it never approached all the, like, didn't they say, I mean, they stormed part of Africa too, didn't they? It was bad. They were everywhere.
00:17:37
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Mandela and his colleagues at the Institute became responsible for determining whether someone was Jewish or not before the concentration camps even started. So before the concentrations even started, this man was responsible, part of the team responsible for determining who would end up at the concentration camps.
00:17:56
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who was, so while Hitler was the spearhead that led all this, he gave them the material to persecute these people. Absolutely.
Experiments and Lack of Remorse
00:18:06
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I'm sure it also gave Mandela a pretty huge ego boost because he got to select who was declared Jewish. And then after he declared that, he watched as they were stripped of their livelihoods, their citizenship, and for many, tortured and killed by the Nazis. So he determined
00:18:25
Speaker
from afar, who lived and who died, basically, right here. He became a valued, Mandela became a valued member of the Institute and to the Nazi party, soon becoming one of the most trusted assistants collaborating with his mentor on several projects which further the Nazi cause. So, go ahead. Can I just ask a question though? Was this like, cause we heard about his early childhood and you know, his mom was a bit wonky and his dad was a pretty upstanding guy.
00:18:54
Speaker
Like, would you consider what happened with him like a brainwash kind of thing where this is the economy living. This is what you're told to believe. This is, you know, like your typical like.
00:19:06
Speaker
you know skinheads you've been raised this way we we hate everybody else except for us kind of thing or was there something just off about this kid from the beginning honestly like I think I've got it in my notes at some point but in his entire life he reminds me of that mean kid that rips off like the wings of insects to see them squirm right like
00:19:29
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He enjoys it, I think. Okay, so then it's a mental status. It's not that it was ingrained into his head at a young age. No. It's that there was something physically mental. I think that, you know, and there are a lot of people that after when the concentration camps were liberated and stuff, a lot of scientists or doctors
00:19:47
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who regretted their part and said they just did it basically to stay alive. Like it was either me and my family would be killed or I did this and this is what I did to survive. Mandela never expressed that. Like he enjoyed what he did and he was sadistic in what he did. So I think it was, I mean,
00:20:05
Speaker
Honestly, if you look back at the back, he was a little Richie Rich. You were telling adults what to do. He thrived in powerful situations. He wanted to be important. And this was his ticket to it. He could pretend all day long that he cared about about nationalism, whatever. But funny story in my research, his wife, because you had to prove that you were to be a German citizen.
00:20:25
Speaker
You had to prove like there were a lot of different, like you could only have so many ancestors of Jewish faith or descent for you to be able to be a true German. His wife that he married, they could not prove that she was true German. So his children were not given the like stamp of German approval. He still married her knowing that.
00:20:49
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knowing that his kids would not he wasn't even really in the racist side of anything he just liked he liked to torture people like honestly i mean that's my that's that is 100 my opinion but that's my opinion that this gave him the means to do what he wanted to do it made him powerful made him important and he got to sit there and play god yeah the right situation for the right person at the right
00:21:12
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So there was one, there was the doctor, I listened to him on the podcast was talking about how, you know, there's this, there's this theory that some doctors like surgeons, he was, he was, he was an empty, like a regular doctor that you'd just need a doctor.
00:21:25
Speaker
He's talking about like, there's this, you know, there's this theory that surgeons are really people that basically could be serial killers. Like he said, it kind of tongue in cheek, but they can do it legally. They can open people up and play with your insides, but they're doing it for legitimate purpose and saving lives. I've always, always kind of thought that in certain professions, like you really do have to be a little odd.
00:21:45
Speaker
But it's not like not odd in a bad way because you know, your husband is stuff like that for a while where yeah, you know He would come home and tell us stories about stuff that made me gag and then but other people really it's a passion Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's it's not a bad passion It's not a bad thing to help people but I feel like maybe some people are a little bit some people Kind of a little off it gives them the outlet for what they want in a legal way Is what that guy was basically saying there's a whole theory on it. I didn't write down the name of it
00:22:12
Speaker
She said theory, we're just discussing it. We don't agree with it. It's whatever, it's a theory. I like doctors. I'm a little scared of them at the moment, but I like doctors. So anyway, let's see, where were we at? He actually, so he helped with a lot of projects for the Nazi cause. He published several academic papers and one of which he detailed basically how you could look at the structure of someone's jaw
00:22:41
Speaker
and tell their nationality, which to give him his due, certain nationalities do have certain- Like rounder features or square features, like the prominent jaw lines or cheekbones. So that is a thing, but you can't just look at a jaw and tell if they're German or Jew.
00:23:02
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like that you've got to look at other things. There are other things into you taking into consideration. So many people are much now like how would you even know? Yeah, but this is also like years ago. Well, okay, I'm sorry. It's almost I don't do math. No, she doesn't. So he and his mentor also studied things
00:23:22
Speaker
abnormalities like cleft palates and abnormalities in air cartridges. His mentor Vashura also taught Mandela that experiments on human subjects was acceptable and actually preferable when it furthered the scientific cause. So experimentation on humans was a good thing as long as it furthered your agenda. However, saying that,
00:23:49
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I'll get to that point in a minute. So he taught Mandela this and unfortunately Mandela was about to have unlimited access of people to experiment on. So he also, Vitra also passed along to Mandela the idea that twins held the key to unlocking the mysteries of geneticism. Yep. Mainly because you have two genetically identical
00:24:14
Speaker
genetically identical individuals and you could experiment on one and you have the perfect control group in their twin. So it's important to note while Mandela's mentor taught him all this and gave him these ghastly ideas, there's no known evidence or proof or even talk about him ever doing experiments or performing anything on a human. He just observed and compared twins.
00:24:43
Speaker
So while so so that's what I want you to do. So it's not like a scapegoat. Like, no, I want to watch all of this happen. But really, I didn't touch anybody. No, there's certainly. Here's the thing. How many times have you made an off comment like offhand comment? Yeah. So I almost feel like it was like that. Like, I'm not saying his mentor was a great guy. Obviously, he founded this institute. He was a bad dude. But all he did.
00:25:07
Speaker
was monitor plans and his whole research, for sure it did. And he told Mandela, if we could cut one open and put things inside of him, basically, and the other ones, well, yeah, theoretically that is- Well, then it's like, if we didn't, Mandela's like, well, we will. Exactly. Yeah. So I almost feel like it was maybe an off colored comment. Like, well, if we could do this, this would be the best solution. But if like from a medical standpoint, here's that guy with a booming career, right? And here's his apprentice.
00:25:35
Speaker
And he's like, well, if I'm not really truly physically involved, if all this goes to crap in a handbag, right? That's the other side of it. I have. He has no liability. He just gets to watch. So, you know, it's both sides of it. But I just find it not not funny at all. But I find it.
00:25:54
Speaker
ironic that his mentor never did anything, made this one comment, but Mandela wanted to be important, so he uses the excuse to do this. That's why I go back to, I think he just wanted to hurt people. So, however, Ventura was extremely vocal in his anti-Jewish statement, so again, he's a crap, and called for the drastic measures to eliminate the Jewish people from society. And the louder he became, the more popular and powerful he became in the Nazi Party.
00:26:23
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bringing Mandela right along with him up those ranks. So in 1938, Mandela joined the SS, which is an army. I can't tell you the proper name for it because again, horrible pronunciations and I would butcher it. But he received three months of basic training and joined the infantry troop. In 1938, Germany declared war on Poland, which meant Mandela was no longer just a scientist. He was actually gonna be like in this. But he didn't go to war.
00:26:53
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Yeah. So at 28 years old. Oh, yeah. And that was only 28 years old right now. This is after years at the institute. I'm sorry, guys, you didn't see my face, which is why Faith had to stop and look. How old was he when he started this crap? Well, he was 19 when he went to Munich for 19. Oh, my four years, though. 19, 22, 22, 22, when he started at the institute, 22, 23, when he started. So in a nutshell, his brain wasn't even fully developed yet. No.
00:27:23
Speaker
OK, well, that's that's irrelevant. But what I'm saying is he still felt like a baby and he was, you know, pushed into this whole. Not pushed in voluntarily walked into. Yeah, because I honestly like I've heard brief stories of Mandela and the twin experiments. I'm sure everyone kind of has at one point or the other. But I always imagine like an old crotchety man, like probably 40s, 50s. Yeah, not a young man. No, not barely, barely even a young adult. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:52
Speaker
So at 28, he was sent by the army to work in an administrative capacity at the SS Race and Resettlement Office. The Race and Resettlement Office. Wanna guess what they did? No. Yeah, so he would review citizen applications for Germans living abroad and judge who was a true German, quote unquote.
00:28:20
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He never even saw these people. He looked at paperwork and stamped if they were true Germans or not. He chose who would be acceptable for life and death basically again. Man, talk about a God complex. At 28. At 28. Oh my gosh. Okay. All right. So he remained in this position until 1941 when he was sent into a military branch off to Ukraine.
Auschwitz Assignment
00:28:40
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Which on a side note, when I was looking up all this stuff, do you know that in Ukraine, I mean, we all know what's happening in Ukraine right now. Yeah. But it was three or four days ago when we're recording this podcast, at least.
00:28:51
Speaker
that a Holocaust survivor was killed in Ukraine. Are you kidding me? No, he was like in a basement. I don't remember the gentleman's name. He's the sweetest looking old man. I mean, he just he looks like a papa. Like you just sit there and he's so sweet. But yeah, so anyway, I just well, I am sorry for their families that are going through that. All of the Ukrainian families that are going through right now and. It's just another example of what humans will do to humans. Exactly. Still evil. Mm hmm. 100 percent.
00:29:20
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He was actually, Mandela was actually awarded the Iron Cross second-class parot services on the battlefield. Oh, of course he was! What a great guy! Because he ran in and saved two soldiers from a burning truck. But they were German, so they deserved a lift. Yeah.
00:29:35
Speaker
So the next year he joined the SS Viking division and became a field doctor. And I, just please hear me, I'm not telling you about Mandela's past to justify anything. I'm trying to set up that he was a piece of crap all along. Yeah, nobody feels like, okay, I'm sorry, nobody. I don't feel bad for this guy at all. Oh, you're gonna be pissed at the end, dude. I usually am. So anyway.
00:30:00
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But it was in this division as a field doctor that he found his quote unquote calling. As a field doctor in World War II, it was probably a stressful and grueling field. They basically were intense and they were not like surgeons or doctors. They were triage. It was basically patch people up as much as you could to get them shipped off to a hospital.
00:30:24
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But in doing this, he was often the one to assess and decide which soldier lived and died due to his treatment.
00:30:32
Speaker
Again, this guy always has the opportunity to choose to pick what, like who lives. Yeah. Cause if two people came in injured, he would have to say, which doctors have to do all the time? Like if there's a multi-car crash, they have to look and decide who's the most, who's the most severe or who's the most guy is probably going to go. Like no matter what we do. But what I'm saying is, is this power complex has been going on for a long time with him since his youth. Yes. That is my point. Talking about it is he was, he was completely set up for them.
00:31:01
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So after he got out, he would often tell his friends that he hated being forced in that decision to play God. Of course. But I think he loved it. Of course he did. That's the third time, I think, on my count. Yeah, he's always in it.
00:31:16
Speaker
But then I really don't like it guys. Yet it's a skill he used his entire life. Yeah. In a position he put himself in his entire life. So towards the end of 1942 he was injured and declared unfit field work. No one knows why he was transferred back to his post in the race and resettlement office in Berlin.
00:31:33
Speaker
However, he decided at this point desk jobs really were not for him. He didn't like that. He'd already been in the thick of the action, literally getting to play God and dabble with human bodies. So he didn't want to do that. So he got back into touch with his mentor at the Institute and he went back there to work.
00:31:51
Speaker
Um, both Mandela and Fisher believed that the most groundbreaking medical research that was going on at the time would be found in the concentration camps. You know, cause they have all those test subjects right there ready for you. Right. All these people, they, they deemed unnecessary for life. Yes. Cause in 1939 at Josh school prisons, they were already, already exposing the prisoners to cholera, diphtheria, influenza, tuberculosis and yellow fever.
00:32:19
Speaker
And they were- Those are all viruses, yes? Yes. So they're basically making these prisoner sticks with these different illnesses so they could see how it spread, how you can slow down the spread of diseases, how it affected people, so that they could then in turn and tell the German troops how to prevent the spread of these diseases because it was, you know, when you've got war, these diseases are common. You're in close quarters, poor environment. Well, in the bloodshed, everything is contact. There's fluid everywhere. People are vomiting. They're sick. Exactly. So yeah. So concentration camps were already experimenting on people.
00:32:50
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Six months after Hitler became the Chancellor, the first German sterilization laws came into effect across the country.
00:32:59
Speaker
German sterilization, I don't understand. Oh, German sterilization. In 1933, sterilization laws permitted the forced sterilization, which means against people's will, of many living with disabilities and illness from the deaf and blind communities, also the asylums for schizophrenia, epilepsy, alcoholism, et cetera.
00:33:22
Speaker
So basically they went into these communities of people that couldn't defend themselves. And they forced sterilizations where they couldn't reproduce. And they couldn't give their quote unquote illnesses. I'd like to say alcoholism. People who were sent to a silence because they were alcoholics. They forced sterilize them as well. Deaf, blind. Those are not...
00:33:45
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. So so again, it was not just the Jews that suffered. You know, I knew I knew that there were things that went on with like the handicapped and in those times, but I didn't realize they were forced sterilizing people. I didn't know. I thought there was a law. Nineteen thirty three forced sterilization law. Wow. OK. So will you learn something new every day? Don't you? Don't you wish you didn't?
00:34:10
Speaker
So because his mentor had all this clout and he wanted his protege to be making these medical contributions, he was able to get Mandela assigned to Auschwitz. And Auschwitz, Auschwitz, sorry, you're good. Not only did he get him assigned there, he was able to get government grants to fund his research. So people's tax dollars paying for it.
00:34:37
Speaker
In a time of war and poverty. German people's tax money is paying for other people to be sterilized. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I bet that was a really peaceful thing too, guys. I bet they just came and gave them a quick little shot, you know? Well, the deal is, part of it was talking about how they didn't know how to mass sterilize people. Right. So they did tests like introducing how much radiation do you have to give the population before they're all sterile? You're kidding me. No. Radiation like melt your skin off radiation.
00:35:05
Speaker
Makes people violently sick radiation. Okay. Okay. So in April 1943 Mandela arrived at Auschwitz. Yay! The train station at Auschwitz was busy at all hours with thousands of people arriving each day. There are people ferried across Europe in cattle cars.
00:35:26
Speaker
What is cattle Lisa? I understand that but like the boxed in kind or like the yeah like you have some holes to breathe in every once in a while. Yeah there's a at the Holocaust Memorial Museum website.
00:35:41
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Friedman said, Marius was the only human being I met during terrible days of deportation. On a snowy November day in 1944 in Auschwitz, I was 19 years old, they called us together and crammed us again into the rail cars. 80 girls in a rail car that was meant for eight horses. 80 to eight. So eight horses, which yes, a horse is bigger than a person,
00:36:06
Speaker
but only eight people could fit and they crammed 80 girls. That's what I'm saying. You have eight horses lengthwise. Doesn't matter how tall you are really. You're looking at like sardines locked into a canister. So these people were ferried across Europe in this way. They were packed in body to body standing for several days. It wasn't like an hour long trip. This is as long as it took to get from point A to point B.
00:36:36
Speaker
be days, it could be a week. Well, I think we've already learned they literally could care less about how anybody's comfort. Those who survived until the end of the war reported that some mothers would actually make a decision to kill their own children during transport just to save them a fate worse than death. Sorry, some of this stuff. No, this really does suck and this is a conversation that we need.
00:37:01
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They said that they would listen for up to a week as infants and children would cry of fear and hunger the entire journey before the mothers finally decided to take their life just to save them any more pain. Yeah. Guys, like, could you even imagine, honestly, just to just stop and think for a second. Being crammed into this box car, if you will. With 80 other men, women and children.
00:37:31
Speaker
knowing that when you get where you're getting, you're probably gonna die anyway. And you don't know what they're gonna do to your kids. And as a mom, and I'm a mom, and Faith's a mom, how do you make that choice? Like, how do you...
00:37:52
Speaker
I don't. Man, there's no good answer. I mean, you can sit there and judge. You told me I wasn't going to get emotional and I'm getting emotional just even thinking about it. Yeah. How do you? I mean, just listening to them cry for hunger and pain. Imagine their little bodies having to stand there or that parent having to hold them.
00:38:13
Speaker
And you know, so many of those parents were just going to hold them because they didn't know. No. And they didn't know when the last. It wasn't going to be one of those. My arms are tired. It's I'm scared. I get scared. Maybe I love you. And how do you give comfort in that when you don't? You can't. And that's why a lot of them just decided that they were going to send them to a better place. I can imagine having to make that decision. No. Agreed.
00:38:44
Speaker
So when the trains finally stopped, their horrors were only beginning. After stepping off the train, they saw SS guards patrolling the platforms with dogs, ordering new arrivals where to go. A place not far from the station, where flames and smokes permeated the air, billowing out a mass of chimneys, turning the sky red, which is the crematorium. That's kind of what I figured. So each person who arrived, and we are only talking about Auschwitz,
00:39:14
Speaker
just pronouncing that again. Feel free to correct me. Yeah, there were several others. Oh, there were tons of them. This is just the worst of the worst and where Mandela was. I was just gonna say, yeah, there was so many of them and I can't even say the worst of the worst because there was really bad crap happening in every single one of them. It's the only one I've studied in detail, so it's the worst of the worst for me. If there are any worst, I don't want to know. Yeah. But in all honesty, I think that we have to know because
00:39:42
Speaker
You know that phrase, if you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. Absolutely. So we're looking right now at a race who's saying other races that aren't me and people who don't look the way I think they need to look deserve to die. Yeah. And if we just frickin' learn from that. But then nobody ever does. No. This has been going on since the dawn of time. I know. I mean, how many times do you have to see that, A, the people who think that way
00:40:08
Speaker
It destroys them. Like brother turn America Civil War, brother against brother, father against son. It never ends well for the people who think they're better. But I really, I think to a lot of it, it always takes one bad mind, one evil mind.
00:40:24
Speaker
to start subjecting and brainwashing people into believing, man, he's right. Look at what they, A, B, and C are doing to me. They don't even have to think they're right. It's the person who screams the loudest and get the most attention. And then you think, well, everybody else is going to do it. So I might as well follow. It's not even a might as well follow. Well, I'm scared not to follow. What's going to happen to me if I stand up against this person?
00:40:49
Speaker
And fear, fear is the biggest train that is ever going to run somebody's life. It's the things that people will do in fear for their safety and fear for their homes and fear for their kids is going to be so much more excessive than somebody who's angry or upset about something or whatever. Yeah. You know what I mean? You can be angry.
00:41:14
Speaker
and make some bad decisions, but if you're doing something just for what you believe is gonna save your family, you're gonna go a lot further, typically. Because I'd do anything for my kid. Exactly. Exactly. And that's the fear mentality of saying like, okay, you think about all the wars that have happened in history, do you think these men just signed up because they wanted to get a piece of the action? No. No, they thought they wanted to sign up because they were in fear of what would possibly happen
00:41:43
Speaker
to their children, to their wives, to their moms, to their dads, to their people. Yeah. Even their wealth, their homes. Everything. Yeah. Any of it. So each person who arrived, a high ranking officer, waited for them on the platform to sort the thousands of individuals that arrived each day into two groups. Those who would work as slaves at the camp and those that would immediately go to be murdered.
00:42:08
Speaker
Starting in April 1943, the new face on the platform making this decision was 32-year-old Joseph Mangalay. 32, Lisa. He was 32. He's still younger than me. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:22
Speaker
So he was 32 years old, still making the same decisions he's been making since he was 19. Exactly. Yeah. Right. He would be standing there in his uniform with the starch impressed. His shoes were shined and his hair was in perfect order. He was even wearing stark white gloves that they said were like a beacon of light. They were so white.
00:42:44
Speaker
And with those gloves, he directed the guards where to take the prisoners. The flick of his finger, he sorted them left and right, slave and death. In a split second, just like on a battlefield, he got to choose again who lived and who died. Okay, so guys, I'm sure everybody's heard of the gas chambers, correct? Correct. Okay. That's what we're talking about right now. The people that immediately died were either shot to death or thrown into these chambers where they died in the hundreds.
00:43:13
Speaker
And it wasn't like a quick pain painless death. No, they suffocated. It was awful. No, it's it's literally it's like drowning every breath that you take. You're like vomiting something out. Like, you know, people are like, oh, they drowned. But I don't think people really give insight to what it's like to drown. Like it's not just one deep breath and you're dead. It doesn't work that way. No, your body regurgitates it so many times trying to have actual air. These people suffer. Oh. Inhumanely.
00:43:44
Speaker
So, once Mandela arrived on the scene, there was a new option. It wasn't just left, right, life, death. A new option, a new mandate was given in the form of the guards yelling, twins, twins over here. Okay, right, yay. The guards would walk through the throngs of people looking for twins, directing them toward Mandela, all the way until they entered the gas chambers. They would keep an eye out for twins. It was said, actually, one guard yelled, twins, twins over here. And the mother of the girls looked at the guard and said, is that a good thing?
00:44:16
Speaker
Oh my goodness. And he said yes. Of course he did. Now imagine after the horrid journey you've just been on days packed in this hot, hard, no food, no water. Of course. No place to go to the bathroom. No, because they don't care about these people. No. Yeah. So you arrive on this platform and parents are seeing their kids just being ripped away from them.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah. They don't know what's going on. You've literally watched parents smother their own children in this cattle car. Yeah. You reach this destination. You don't know anyone here. Your kids are ripped away from you. Are you going to just be like, okay. No, you can fight like hell. Absolutely. And obviously some of the parents argued, some of the parents with twins actually had the audacity to say, please give my child food and water.
00:45:09
Speaker
Well, I don't understand. Well, for Mandela, they were slowing down the line to the gas chamber, so he had them beaten publicly. Wow. OK. Because it was unacceptable to slow down the progress. Oh, the audacity of that mom to ask for their kids to be fit. Can you sense the sarcasm? Anybody? Yeah. Because I'm laying it on pretty thick.
00:45:33
Speaker
Those who survived said that the children weren't sure what to think about this tall and handsome officer singling them out. Initially, most of them had to feel like they were being saved. They just weren't sure why. And for the remaining part of this story, we're not going to be relying on scholarly information or historical texts for the most part, because none of Mandela's work was saved.
00:45:58
Speaker
All of his documents were destroyed. They didn't want him getting into the wrong hands. So they're either hidden somewhere, still not been found, or destroyed. And that happened with quite a few of the scientists that were, yeah. So instead, we're going to be looking at those who survived this life. It took over 40 years after the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps for the subscribers to come together in Israel and demand justice.
00:46:21
Speaker
They assembled before a panel, which included lawyers, historians, government advisors, and people, and told their story, and it was translated in French, in English. There's one other language I can't remember, and then in Hebrew. And 30 brave individuals who recounted their harrowing experience that they lived through.
00:46:42
Speaker
So, just a note. So some of it, and it is, it is, you can say, some people say that Mandela almost became like the boogeyman and some of the stories were exaggerated, but I say to that every, there's a, there's a kernel of truth in every exaggeration. Absolutely. So they lived through, they lived through hell. And while some of the experience. And how do we really even know that it was exaggeration? We don't. It's one individual's experience with a certain person you don't know and will never know. Cause this has been long gone. Correct.
00:47:11
Speaker
So in the opening procedures, the first to take the stand and speak and describe Mandela, he was described as a self-appointed judge during executioner. He described Auschwitz as a place of horrors where emancipated prisoners
00:47:25
Speaker
would wander aimlessly with nothing to do but work as slaves and await certain death, which for most were in the gas chambers when their bodies were no longer strong enough to do any work. However, there were those who could not live long enough and due to the harsh conditions and neglect would literally fall to the ground where they stood dead, only to be thrown in the growing piles of bodies. They died from exhaustion, disease, and others were shot murdered by the prison guards for being too much trouble.
00:47:50
Speaker
Auschwitz was not unique in its medical testing, like we talked about earlier. Almost all concentration camps had daily experiments centering around. Collecting research on disease are the most effective mass sterilization techniques. Across Europe, German scientists and doctors disregarded the ethics and human decency in order to feel not see hateful rhetoric and creating a new supreme race.
00:48:14
Speaker
It's also noted that Nazis are not the only race or government to ever have this idea. In 1924, Virginia Sterilization Act made it legal and acceptable to sterilize mental patients across the United States. So again, it's not like Germans are these big bad people and they're just, you know, there's a gene in them that makes them hateful. It's in every single human being, you just have to choose not to be a piece of crap. In a nutshell. Basically. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I get a little emotional in some of this because it's harsh.
00:48:44
Speaker
It's not even a little emotional. It's just it's my way. I'm going to try to hold it together, guys. But some of this won't know. It's frustrating. And it's because like, OK, like we we would all all of us, we consider ourselves like the peons.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, OK. We don't get to do things like this. These things are enforced upon us. And no matter how much you fight or how many it doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right or the middle or the whatever, you can hold up your picket signs. You can do whatever. But the moment you get violent defending yourself. You're just a turd bag. Yeah. So you can't even as these Jews and all these other people who were being
00:49:26
Speaker
Like literally just murdered based solely on the fact that they were Jews, right? Yeah. They couldn't stand up themselves. They had nothing they could do.
Cruelty and Psychological Torment
00:49:34
Speaker
Like lambs to the slaughter, bro. Yeah. Like. And it's the same thing now. Like people can't stand up for themselves because the government's just like. I really don't care what you think. Yeah. Yeah. So twins were not the only casualty of Mandela's experiments.
00:49:52
Speaker
just the most well known and talked about. However, anyone with a noticeable quote unquote physical defect was also singled out. Individuals who were extremely tall, individuals with dwarfism. Literally, if you looked different at all and you had any condition that piqued his interest, you were allowed to live for now.
00:50:19
Speaker
Um, you were spared the gas chambers. You were given grace. So as Mandela walked through the crowds of people getting on the trains, and this is where I taught this right here, what he's about to do is why I say he, this is where I thought he's a little boy with a magnifying glass. This is, this right here is why I say that I think he's just a psychopath. Okay. So as he walked through the crowds of people getting off trains, he talked to them.
00:50:44
Speaker
Concern, ask about their journey, how are they feeling? And because there's an inherent trust that people have in doctors, and he also looks so nice and presentable, people talk to him. And those that said they felt unwell, they haven't had any food or drink in seven days, they've been trapped in this 100 degree box. So they didn't feel good. He would give them a sympathetic smile as the emotion for the guards to come take them to the gas chambers. Because God forbid they got anybody sick and spreading germs.
00:51:14
Speaker
other times it was noted that he would single someone out and hand them a postcard and pencil and he would ask these, I say ask very very tongue-in-cheek, he would basically dictate a postcard that they were going to write home to friends and family. And he would have them describe the loveliness of Auschwitz and urge the reader to come visit. Once they were done writing this post- Are you kidding me? No. Like to their Jewish relatives? Yes.
00:51:38
Speaker
And once they were done writing it and addressing the note, he would calmly direct that individual into the line towards the gas chambers. It was with a detached coldness that he directed almost every single pregnant woman to their death in the gas chambers. Only sparing some for his experiment. These women were treated well in concentration camp standard until they gave birth and he would send both the mother and child to the gas chambers.
00:52:06
Speaker
There was one surviving mother, and I'm sorry, this story is horrible, and if I cry, just we'll get through it. One surviving mother, Ruth Ellis, had a story to tell.
Survivor's Account: Ruth Ellis
00:52:17
Speaker
So she managed to escape the notice of Mandela when she appeared at the concentration camp. She was three months pregnant. However, he did find out about her and decided to, quote unquote, make the most out of the situation. Immediately, the day that she gave birth, he ordered her breasts to be tightly banded so that her milk supply would dry up.
00:52:36
Speaker
His goal was to see how long the newborn would be able to survive without food. What? Yeah. Yeah, sorry. This story is horrible. Ruth watched helplessly as her daughter cried out in hunger and was able to do nothing. She attempted desperately to save her daughter by feeding her moistened bread and soup or anything else she was given to eat or drink, but it didn't help. Wow. Because Mandela came by every single day to check on Ruth and her daughter and document the baby's condition.
00:53:03
Speaker
because he wanted to know after a week of absolutely nothing to eat or drink what the baby's condition would be. Finally, after a week of this, Mandela came to check by on Ruth one night and told her to be ready in the morning. Because that very next morning, he was going to send Ruth and her daughter both to the gas chambers. Can you imagine having to sit through the night holding your child, knowing that's what's going to happen next morning?
00:53:28
Speaker
So that night, a Jewish prisoner who was a doctor in her previous life, worked in the medical field, she was being forced to work there. She came to visit Ruth and handed her a syringe of morphine and offered her a less painful death for a small doctor. The doctor ordered Ruth to kill her own child, explaining that if she took her oath to do no harm seriously, there was no way to save the child. And if she did not die throughout the night, the gas chambers awaited her little body in the morning.
00:53:56
Speaker
The doctor also thought that if the baby died, Mandela would lose interest in Ruth, allowing her to live. I don't know how long Ruth thought about it, but she made the decision to inject her daughter and sent her peacefully to sleep. Then, she and the doctor hid the tiny little body outside the barracks in the piles of dead bodies.
00:54:19
Speaker
And you think like, when I first read that or heard that, I was like, why would you, why would you hide the body in this pile? Like, why, how's the mother? Could you hide your little baby in this pile of bodies? However, yeah, when Mandela came the next morning, he was frustrated and angry. The baby had not only died, but that the body was gone because he wanted to do an autopsy on the Bible, on the body and run experiments.
00:54:44
Speaker
And his plan was solved because no one could locate the tiny body in the pile. And in his frustration, he banished Ruth away to a different camp and she survived. Hitting me. No. Oh, that is so fantastic. It is, but God, can you imagine if you live knowing like she did? I mean, she did what she had to do. And I don't judge her at all. But I can imagine being in her situation every day thinking I lived and she didn't.
00:55:13
Speaker
And it's a certain, that's just, it's hell on itself. Did you know what though, at the same time, had that doctor not offered her that? Yeah. Not only would they both be dead, but that baby, that little girl would have been mutilated after death. And that, that to me, like.
00:55:38
Speaker
As a mom in general, having to choose between yourself and your kid, 90 percent of moms are going to choose themselves. Yeah. OK, but in a situation like that where she she knew she was going to die tomorrow. Yeah.
00:55:55
Speaker
She knew. This is game over. This is it. Quite frankly, just because that doctor said that he might lose interest in you, she didn't know that. No. She could have been even worse or she could have still gone to the gas chambers. She could have been selfish and injected herself and she chose to give her child a painless death. Yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
And kudos to you and this this is a baby too. That's been starving Yeah for a week for a week and you can't tell me that kid was happy No, that mom had to feel every bit of that infants fear. Oh, yeah, that's why it's what gets me can I just sit in that cell for a week and You're able to eat you can't get her to have anything Yeah, that's messed up. Yeah, and I chose the nice work
00:56:40
Speaker
Yeah. And you know, that's what they said. Part of part of what made him so awful is the psychological trauma he did to people. Yeah. So back to the main source of his torture. All twins or siblings that look close enough to be mistaken for twins were separated from their family, washed and branded. However, unlike most other prisoners, they were allowed to keep their hair
00:57:03
Speaker
They didn't have to wear the prison uniforms all the time. And at first that might've seemed like a huge perk and they were blessed. They were saved. Given that these twins were also given more leniency. They were fed more. They had higher standards of living. They were accompanied with the knowledge.
Experiments on Twins
00:57:20
Speaker
The guards couldn't really touch them. Like if anybody stole food, they were beaten or killed. These twins could get away with it because you didn't touch Mandela's experiments or twins. However, even in all that,
00:57:33
Speaker
Um, they, they lived day to day with the knowledge that their friends and family members were either enslaved or dead. So while they might've felt saved or blessed, they suffered incredible emotional pain at being spared. According to one survivor, they had to fill out a detailed medical background form, including everything, hair color, eye color, height, weight, any scar, any physical
00:57:59
Speaker
freckle on their body, and Mandela would personally inspect them from head to toe, taking particular interest in their hair, examining the way it grew and the hair texture all the way down to the root. It was also noted that with the younger children, he would sit and chat with them for various lengths of time. He'd bring them sweets to eat. He'd smile with them. He'd laugh. He'd tell them jokes. Was he a pedo too? Because that would really just top the cake for me right now. They called him Uncle Mandela. That's great.
00:58:30
Speaker
And they said it was like even the ones that survived would talk about it was hard to reconcile what he became to what he was to them. And most people think a comment which I can 100% see this is he did it so they'd like him and trust him and they'd be more, they'd listen to him better. They're more susceptible. But it also that flip personality like his mom. Right.
00:58:57
Speaker
Like he's laughing, he's giving you candy and sweets, and then he's sending you to these horrid experiments where you're going to be in physical and emotional pain. His test subjects were initiated into a daily barrage of tests and observations. He kept them on a rigorous six-day schedule where we would have the children taken a mile and a half up to another facility, which was dedicated for the test.
00:59:19
Speaker
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, they were measured and observed. They'd be stripped naked and left to wait in line sometimes up to eight hours to be viewed and documented by the different doctors that came through the facility. On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays were the real horrors. The twins would be forced to give blood samples from one arm while other unknown chemicals were injected into their other arm just to see how their bodies would react.
00:59:43
Speaker
So was it only one of the twins at each time? Like they would do different experiments on different twins to see. It depends on what the variation of the experiment was. One twin was always a test. It was basically a control to the test from what we have heard. And some of the things that I had heard too is like if one of the twins died during their experiments, they'd just go ahead and kill the other one. Yes, 100%. Yeah. So.
01:00:11
Speaker
I'm going to finish up this and then we're going to have to have to call it and we're going to have to do a part two. So sorry, but we're not. So that's so much. Horribleness. The blood, the blood. These are the things that people need to know. Yeah. Like you want to talk about the worst of the worst. It's people like that. And they basically got away with it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there. I know we will. But I'm just. So while back to your question on did both twins, both twins would probably get blood from the one on.
01:00:40
Speaker
Right. Because you had to have the control. The other arm, maybe only one point was being injected with God knows what. God knows what. They said that the children who were too small to provide samples of blood from their arms or arms are too puny, too dehydrated. Right. They just take it from their neck. Wow. Which is a much more painful. Oh, it's awful. And this is just the beginning of what these people are doing. Like these children, honor repeat, children.
01:01:09
Speaker
And we're not talking about just like children. Like you might think toddlers or, you know, people refer to like 16, 17 year old children. We're talking from infancy onto like close to adulthood. It didn't matter if they had a twin, it was children. Game on. Yeah. So, um, that is where we will call it tonight.
Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode
01:01:30
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I'm going to let everybody take a breather and we will, um,
01:01:35
Speaker
We will have round two. Yeah, we'll have round two for next week. And I just want you guys to know, I knew there was a lot of information, so I was trying really hard not to interrupt tonight. But next week, I can't promise that I'm going to keep my mouth shut because the more in-depth that we get with some of the stuff, the more pissed I get. So Faith might hit me once or twice under the table here that we're sitting at. Tonight, I did pretty good. I've got a small bruise maybe.
01:02:05
Speaker
But, you know, nothing that I can't walk on tomorrow. So I see if you can listen to all this and not be horrified and outraged. Yeah. You need to examine your heart. Well, I was going to say not. Yeah, absolutely. Because you think what's going on right now in the Ukraine. Yeah. Do you think he's going to stop there? No, no, because you have a power hungry dick who. Sorry. You almost made it through the whole almost almost. OK, but you said I got one. So I went with it. All right. But yeah.
01:02:34
Speaker
guys power power in and of itself is such this weird like ghostly thing that people chase and you're never really going to attain it ever no and I think that's where all of these crazy people and I say crazy just for a lack of a better word because there's been so many of them throughout history you are never going to have complete control of anything no ever and if you do it's an ant farm
01:03:05
Speaker
It's not it's puppies. Okay, it's not human the human race the human race is Developed to see something wrong with others behaviors and say I can't allow this to continue and if only Someone has stood up sooner. I've been able to say that sooner So well, I would say I hope you enjoyed this tale, but I don't think anyone could
01:03:34
Speaker
Well, we'll see what happens next week, maybe. But feel free to to like and share. We would appreciate it if you would follow us on Spotify, Apple podcast, however you listen to your podcast. You give us some ratings so that more people could find us. We'd appreciate it. And we kind of want to see how we're doing. If somebody would just kind of give us a heads up, shoot us an email like.
01:03:57
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Twisted Tales, truecrimeatgmail.com. We have a Facebook, Twisted Tales, all one word. Feel free to, we'd love to have some feedback, stories you want us to tell. I'm also going to, I'm going to throw it out that like we're new too, so don't be too harsh. My feelings get hurt easily and Lisa has an anger rage problem. We had to go there. We had to, I do not have a rage problem. I am completely under control.
01:04:23
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Shut up. Exactly. So we hope you guys have a great week. We hope you guys will tune in next week and we'll see you then. Bye.